June 25, 2025 • 67 mins
In this Part 1, re-premiere episode, we revisit the haunting and unresolved case of Casi Ann Pogue, the cousin of Trina, who went missing from Greenville, South Carolina. Casi was last seen under mysterious circumstances, and since that day, her family has been living in the limbo of unanswered questions and faint hopes.
As we approach the 5-year anniversary, we re-examine the details surrounding her disappearance. Why did Casi vanish? What leads were followed—and which were left cold? And most importantly, how can you help bring attention to her case today?
Join us as we bring Casi’s name and story back into the light, in hopes that someone, somewhere, still remembers something.
Visit www.casiannpogue.online to learn more
Want to know more about the foundation? Check out www.dearcasi.org.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hey, big friend.
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ongoing for my family and thatis that my cousin Casey Ann
Pogue went missing fromGreenville, South Carolina on
July 5th of 2020 and she has notbeen seen or heard from since.
And so we're coming up in Julyon five years and the really
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hard part about that is becauseshe would be able to be declared
legally dead.
Yeah.
So we are having to kind of cometo terms with that.
And also the fact that we stilldon't have any answers.
And so on July 5th, she went toGreenville Memorial Hospital in
Greenville, South Carolina, andshe left on foot and
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surveillance caught her walkingdown West Ferris Road before she
went out of sight.
So there's no othersurveillance.
We don't know what happenedother than, you know, we know
that people don't justdisappear.
They don't just vanish into thinair.
No.
So, and I know, you know, Caseyas well, Crystal, and she has
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been a big part of not just myfamily, but your family as well.
And that's one of the things,the first question that people
had always asked was, well, wasshe on something or did she have
a mental breakdown?
And the answer is going to bevery clearly.
Yes.
Okay.
Column A and column B.
As well.
We're just going to put it outthere because, you know, we know
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that she had demons that shestruggled with.
You know, she had alcoholdependency that she had
overcome.
She had drug dependencies thatshe had overcome.
And she had mental health thingsthat she was struggling with and
had overcome too.
But just like with any of thosethings, you know, there's always
that risk factor.
of falling back into thosecycles.
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And that just happened to bewhat happened at this particular
time.
But that doesn't take away fromthe fact that Casey was one that
she would carry blankets andextra dog food and extra human
food in her car for anybody thatshe ever ran across or a stray
animal.
She would give you the shirt offof her back.
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You know, her laugh.
Oh my God, her laugh wascontagious.
And then Casey, one of mybiggest memories and is the
Sunday dinners that we alwaysdid at her house and her country
fried steak.
And she would, I love her.
What was that?
Stuffed shells was my favorite.
Yeah.
And she would always make thestuffed shells.
Those were my favorite.
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I love those.
Yeah.
I loved them.
Like she hit it every time.
Every time nailed it on thehead.
And yeah, it was alwayssomething, you know, every
Sunday it was somethingdifferent and we would bring
something, but she would alwaysjust want us to bring a dessert
or a drink or something likethat to have for everybody.
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And she loved being in thekitchen and cooking for people
was like her comfort.
She always wanted to be servingsomebody.
And by that, I mean, doingsomething for somebody.
It very much was, typical, like,I don't know, to me, like,
remembering her doing that,hosting those events, it was
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like a 50s housewifeentertaining a dinner party, but
it was so laid back and fun, youknow, it wasn't, like, stiff or
anything like that, everybodywas comfortable, but that's how
she was, she flittered around,making sure everybody was good,
and then, you know, by the timethe first or second wave of
people start to leave,
SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
When
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
there's just a few left, you could just see her,
like, sit down and, like, youknow, like, yeah, I'm pooped.
I'm tired.
I'm ready to, yeah.
And that's how she was.
And I think that was always myfavorite part about those Sunday
dinners is when that second babycame.
She performed.
You know what I mean?
Not that she was faking, but sheput on a, you know.
She was the most gracioushostess.
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Yes.
That's right.
Yeah, that's the more eloquentway of speaking.
saying that.
Right.
She was the greatest host.
Definitely.
Back around 2013, she had goneinto mental health because of,
you know, some issues that shewas having, which she and I both
went through the same type ofprogram.
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We did the intensive outpatienttreatment.
So that was a really big thing.
We weren't there at the sametime, but the program that she
went through, I know Yeah.
Yeah.
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things would go good for alittle bit and then, we would
definitely see Casey go on anddecline again.
There were a lot of differenterratic things that she had done
in a lot of different episodeswhere Nathan was involved or
Nathan had been in the picturearound that time and Casey went
off the deep end.
And that seemed to be whenNathan would disappear again.
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He would tell him to stir thepot and leave.
Yeah, that's exactly what hedid.
He was happy to get it going andget it turning, but he wasn't
going to be there wheneverything came down to it.
Right.
He was not one of those, I'mgoing to be there for you when
shit hits the fan.
He's like, it's been cool.
See you later.
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Everything's falling apart rightnow.
So this is my chance to exit.
I'm just gonna, yeah.
Yeah.
And I'll get back with you whenthings are more on the up and
up.
But meanwhile, Nathan was a messhimself.
So to the point, like hisparents had bought him a condo
in a really well, establishedarea of Greenville.
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And he had his own condo there,but he was such a mess that he
would stay at his parents'house.
Now, his parents also hadanother home on their property.
And when Casey fell on hardtimes, I will say that they did
allow Casey to move in to thisrental property with her and her
son.
And that's where they wereliving.
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However, that also gave Nathanaccess to her more frequently
and because of that but hold onlike question though do you feel
that they did that in benefit ofCasey or to appease Nathan I
think it could have been alittle bit of both to be honest
with you I really do you know itseemed to me like he just kind
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of dominated them and he did hewas coddled you know I didn't
even know that he had a brotheruntil like a couple of years
later, because the focus wasalways so much older or younger.
I want to say an older brother.
And I never knew that he had abrother or siblings at all,
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because the focus was always onNathan.
And even when Casey would tellme things about him, like I knew
about him, I knew about his momand dad and that his mom and dad
were ministers and things likethat.
No idea.
Yeah.
That he had any kind ofsiblings.
Because.
That's wild though.
That they were both preacher'schildren.
That's correct.
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They met in therapy.
And they met in therapy.
And you know.
They would have good runs.
And then when it wasn't good.
It wasn't good.
So Casey had moved in.
To this house.
Around Christmas time.
Of 2019.
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So that's about six months?
Seven?
About seven months before shewent missing.
Before she went missing.
Okay.
Now, the thing is, is that ithas been said, too, that there
were some arguments, I guess, orsome disagreements that had
happened between Casey andNathan during that period of
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time as well.
But they were on speaking terms,right?
when she had gone missing and sohow that came about is well hold
on like just for context for thethe listeners and a little bit
for me too like what kind ofthings did they argue about like
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what were the i mean they werefriends they weren't in a
romantic relationship just toclarify because you know nathan
is gay he is and they were bestfriends you know or so-called It
was truly a platonicrelationship, but they were very
codependent on each other.
Right.
A lot of times Nathan would havejealousy if Casey wanted to
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spend her time with anybodyelse.
He wanted to always have Caseyalone time.
So if I were over at her houseor if...
You know, she were coming overto my house or something like
that.
Nathan didn't want any part ofthat.
So I had actually only metNathan two, maybe three times
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during their whole friendship.
And it was very short.
It was more like a we're meetingup kind of situation.
One time I went and I had droveCasey's car and she was meeting
with him at a Starbucks.
We were out and about.
And Nathan basically called andsaid, hey, do you want to go
grab a coffee?
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I'm over at the Starbucks.
And Casey was like, yeah, that'sgreat.
So what ended up happening is Idropped her off with Nathan.
That was the first time that Ihad ever met him.
And then I drove her car backhome and my car was there.
So I was able to go on home fromthere, which was absolutely fine
because I wanted Casey to beable to go have coffee with her
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friend.
I didn't know any better at thattime.
SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
So it's just little things like that.
Now, exactly what they foughtabout, I don't know.
But there were times where itwould get aggressive to where
Nathan has put hands on Caseybefore.
So like restraining hands?
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No, like I'm going to push youinto this brick wall.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
And for those that don't know Casey, she was only
about...
5'2", 5'3", and maybe 100 poundssoaking wet.
I don't even think she was.
She was probably mostly around90 pounds, which I know that
sounds like I'm splitting hairs,but when you're that small,
that's a big difference, 10pounds.
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She was very petite.
She was fairy-like.
Right.
She was very petite.
I used to tell her I could puther in my purse.
Yeah.
Just climb in my purse and I'llcarry you around.
But she just, that's compared toNathan, who was six foot and
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probably at least 200 pounds.
I would say more.
The time I've seen him, I thinkonce or twice.
Right.
Somewhere at some point, maybeit's online.
I don't even remember to behonest, but he's more like 250
probably.
He's pudgy, but he's big.
He's kind of a looming guy.
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He is.
And he never was that large sizewhen they first got together.
So I don't know what happened inNathan's path that caused him to
gain the weight and to lookdisheveled the way he does.
Depression.
I mean, it can.
It can.
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I definitely understand thatpart.
You know, I've been there.
You've been there.
Oh,
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
God, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:34):
So, that's what I don't understand is what they
actually argued about.
They weren't in a romanticrelationship together.
You know, it was strictlyplatonic.
Casey had moved in aroundChristmas time in 2019 to this
rental home with her and herson.
She was still friends withNathan.
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She was kind of going downhillat that time and to be
completely transparent I hadkind of backed off with talking
to her at that point in time toobecause I was telling her that
this is not good Nathan is notgood for you you know you're
you're different you're changingit was all of those same
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patterns that I had seen beforeso um then what comes up to you
know July 4th the day before shegoes missing is that evening she
had walked across the street andshe illegally enters the
neighbor's house.
And she goes in there and shestarts going through their
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groceries, their cabinets, andshe's trying to put it in bags
and take it out to the carportto where their car is parked.
And she's asking the neighborsfor their keys.
She wanted the keys to the car.
She said she had to make thisdelivery.
This is what the neighbors hadtold Debbie and Wyatt.
who are Nathan's parents.
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They basically, they knew theBrowns.
They walked Casey back overthere, let him know what's going
on.
So Nathan and his mother,Debbie, take Casey to the Greer
Hospital.
And basically, they look herover.
She is later on released fromthe hospital.
Now, while she is in thehospital, she posts on Facebook
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that she and her ex-husband arere-engaged.
And that's not true.
Not at all.
Yeah.
And to the point, she evencalled her dad to tell him about
this engagement.
And he basically said, or shesaid, Greg's coming to get his
girl.
And this was not true.
And Greg had even posted onFacebook under that post.
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I mean, you know, he came from aplace of love.
He really did.
He did.
And it's not that he didn't loveCasey.
It's just that that was nottrue.
They had not even really talkedabout that or considered that.
Not to mention they live acrosscountry practically from each
other.
Right.
So Greg had moved back toMichigan where he's from.
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Casey still lived in SouthCarolina.
So they were divorced at thistime.
No plans of re-engagement atall.
But this is just...
what Casey believes.
And I've been with her beforewhen she is having these kind of
hallucinations that she will belucid for certain periods of
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time.
And then other things, you know,she will talk about past things
that happened.
So I've experienced thatfirsthand.
I know that she can be that way.
But that was kind of the prequelto July 5th.
So the timeline that we have, soshe's discharged from the Greer
Hospital on July 4th.
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Okay, I'm not sure what timethat was.
But on July 5th, around 757 inthe morning, Casey made a call
to 911 where she stated that herand her quote unquote sister
have been held hostage for threedays.
Now, you know, as well as I do.
He doesn't have a sister.
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He doesn't have a sister.
And she has, you know, threestepbrothers, but they don't
live together.
anywhere near here they're inflorida and texas and stuff like
that so nothing came of that andthe only thing that we could
think about as far as the sisterthat she could have been
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referring to was either myselfor my sister
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
right
SPEAKER_00 (16:39):
because that's how we grew up is we grew up very
close very while we're cousinswe grew up very sister-like
right so then after that 9-1-1call And nothing happened.
Around 1030 that morning, Caseywent to that same neighbor's
house that she had been in thenight before getting their
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groceries.
She went to that neighbor'shouse claiming that her dog had
been hit by a car and her dogwas fine.
Now, Casey was dressed.
Casey was.
I'm sorry.
I don't mean to let her.
Casey thought Olive was missing.
thought that olive had been hitby a car oh have been okay okay
okay but olive was walking alongwith her and was absolutely fine
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oh okay so she like has so yeahshe ended up going back to that
neighbor's house and now caseywas dressed in nothing but a bra
and black leggings and as shewas approaching over to the
neighbor's house dressed likethis she was out of breath The
neighbor decided that she wasgoing to record Casey's
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behavior.
And so she did do a video andCasey made mention of two men
trying to break into her house.
And another call was actuallyplaced from a neighbor to 911 as
well about the same residence.
And there was nothing...
that was stated it was just itwas kind of like dismissed so
Casey went back home andeverything like that then around
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one o'clock or so the neighborhad recorded Casey going out of
her bedroom window and sobasically the neighbor called
9-1-1 and they were dispatchedout and basically Casey said the
same thing that her and hersister had been held hostage for
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three days and They were tryingto look for a potential suspect,
and so she was saying then thatwhile she was there, her sister
had run into the garden.
Okay, Casey didn't have agarden.
Now, we do know that she had herphone with her at 109 p.m.
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because she had also tried tocall 911 herself, but she
disconnected the call.
And so EMS had responded to thescene.
She goes to the hospital.
And both the EMS notes and thedoctor's notes say that Casey
was actively experiencingauditory and visual
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hallucinations.
So that's what we know with hergoing to the hospital.
Now on July 5th, that evening,like we knew we were made aware
that Casey had gone to thehospital.
My mom had told me that Caseywas there.
So around 10 o'clock, thatnight, we still had not heard
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any update about Casey, if shewas okay, if anybody needed to
go get her from the hospital, ifanybody needed to be at the
house with her.
So my mom got in touch withNathan's mom, Debbie, and had
asked her, hey, have you heardanything about Casey?
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Do you know what's going on?
So Debbie said that she wouldcall the hospital and try to
find out.
She called my mom back and thenthey said that Casey was
basically released from thehospital around 8 o'clock that
night.
But nobody had been contacted.
Now, Debbie did say...
At what time did she arrive atthe hospital again having
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auditory and visualhallucinations?
It probably would have beenaround 1.30, 2 o'clock that
afternoon.
Okay, so I just don'tunderstand, like, if she was
having them then, she wasprobably still having them when
she left, or I don't know, maybeshe had calmed down enough to
where she could kind of, I don'tknow, that's just wild to me,
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like, you arrive at thehospital, like, full-on
hallucinating, and I don't know,I know people show up like that
on, you know, whatever drugskind of, you know, make you do
that kind of stuff, but at thesame time, like, you know, yeah,
it does that.
But then you do have people thatalso have these mental health
issues and these diagnoses andthese medications and stuff that
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they probably, you know, andthey're not or taking with or
doing, you know, it's adangerous combination.
Exactly.
It really is.
And so it should be monitored somuch better.
It should.
And instead, it just getsdismissed that, you know, oh,
she's tweaking on something oroh she's a drug addict or oh
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she's having a mental break orsomething like that you know and
especially when it comes to thedrugs so many people just get
disregarded yeah it's likepeople don't have sympathy for
the situation anymore like theydon't have like i don't know
most people i think look down onyou know or like oh there are
this or there that you know AndI'm not going to sit here and
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say I haven't said similar shitin the past, but these last
several years for me have taughtme a lot about life.
And what I think now when I seesomebody on drugs visibly in
public and Casey's situation wasprobably very typical.
I'm sure most people don't startdoing drugs because they're just
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perfectly well-balanced, happy,mentally healthy people.
Right.
I don't know anybody who justwakes up one day and says, Hey,
you know what?
I think I'll try meth.
Yeah.
Like it's not, it's not on a,like I said, emotionally
well-rounded person.
It's, it's not going to makesense, you know?
So obviously you have somethingthat guides you in that
direction, but I don't knowanymore.
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I just find myself like, Ireally, I have a lot more
compassion in my heart.
Like, am I going to give you aride?
Um, let me be clear.
Fuck no.
You cannot ride in my car.
Right.
But I feel for you.
And I'll help you out my bestability.
I'll give you what I can, butI'm not going to put my safety
or, you know what I mean?
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Like I'm willing to help to anextent.
And that's what I said aboutbefore is just like how Casey
was.
Like she probably would havegiven that person a ride or a
blanket or food or taken them toa shelter or taken them to
wherever they needed to go.
Or, you know, if they needed theshirt off of her back, right?
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Practically, you know, whatevershe had, she probably would have
given them a place to stay ifthey needed that too.
Like that's just the type ofperson she was, but she did get
disregarded because of the factthat she was going through a
season.
You know, she had bounced backfrom addiction before and had
done very well.
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She had stayed sober for, Ithink, five or six years before
she ever relapsed.
And she felt terrible about thatbecause of all the time that she
had put in before.
But she knew that she couldovercome it again.
And she worked every day to bebetter at that.
But it was like when she fellinto this pattern with Nathan,
it was a codependency that shejust could not get herself out
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of.
Yeah, but you gotta also, too,like, did she have these issues
prior?
Yes, she did.
You know, the alcoholism wasreally, you know, an issue for a
while.
But my thing is, you know, yes,she has all this, like,
predisposition for, you know,something...
To maybe go amiss, you know, andthen you think about what
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happened before her and him gotintertwined this last time, you
know, like before that.
I mean, she had just had anotherbroken marriage, another broken
marriage after, you know, a longterm, very good marriage that
just somehow just fell apart.
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It was so sad because they wereso, you know, that's when Casey
had gotten back on drugs andalcohol again, too.
And she was around Nathan.
And that's when she decided thatshe was going to end her
marriage with Greg, packed upherself and the kids went out to
Oklahoma where, you know, shejust couldn't do it because she
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was messed up herself.
She was still messed up there.
Her parents actually drove toOklahoma from Florida together.
And got the kids.
Casey had gone to rehab.
She had got herself cleaned upagain.
She went to Florida.
Where she had built such a goodlife.
She was doing so well.
So sober.
Rebuilt.
Like the Casey that we know.
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The Casey that we know.
It was her again.
And then she came back up toSouth Carolina.
And lo and behold.
There it goes again.
She's got Nathan in the pictureagain.
She's got this other failedmarriage.
She's trying to...
That was just a freakingwhirlwind, by the way.
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It was.
Yeah, she had been friends witha guy for, gosh, I know at least
a little bit over a decade.
Yeah, a long time.
And they had been friends for areally long time.
When she married Greg, sheactually cut contact because of
the fact that the guy had toldher that he had feelings for her
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and Casey was just like, yeah, Ican't do that, man.
So she cut ties.
Now after her and Greg haddivorced and Casey was doing
better and she had built herselfup, you know, in Florida, the
guy also lived in Florida.
And so they were able to finallyget together, have something
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really romantic.
They did so well together.
they were together for probablyabout six to eight months prior
to them deciding that they weregoing to get married then they
decided that they're going tohave this las vegas wedding and
so it was beautiful like herdress was just custom everything
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she had it just to her and itwas done in true casey style
like it was just flamboyantextra yeah but classy it was
very classy and that's what shewanted and so that's what she
got and then a month later itjust all falls to hell Casey is
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going off the deep end and onceagain Nathan is back in the
picture to provide you knowcomfort and You'll come for
somebody else, Nathan.
Right.
And it just goes downhill.
Well, she got away from him fora little bit there.
And then she got into her ownplace after this other marriage
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of a month went to hell.
And she had an episode where shewas actually hallucinating.
And she was screaming her socialat a tree.
And cops were able to get herback.
I had actually gone to try tofind her.
And they came up to the houseand said, hey, are you guys
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looking for a lady that liveshere?
And we were like, yes.
And we go outside and she'sacross the street where they're
doing some kind of construction.
And she's just shouting hersocial at this tree over and
over again.
But when I said her name, it'slike she snapped out of it.
She had that period of lucidityagain.
SPEAKER_01 (28:13):
So
SPEAKER_00 (28:15):
after that incident.
She had moved to another place.
She was doing phenomenal.
She was doing home health care,which she absolutely loved.
And she was working two jobs andshe was doing it on her own.
And that was one of the thingsthat she was so proud of is that
she was doing it on her own.
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It was hard.
But she was keeping herselfsober.
She was being the parent sheneeded to be.
And she was doing it on her own.
So...
And let's be...
I mean, otherwise of just thingsthat tend to happen.
But even when she was abusingalcohol or using or what, you
know, she never was a bad mom.
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Never.
I mean, she always...
I mean, I'm sure some of thethings...
I mean, come along with that,but, like, she always, her kids
were took care of.
You know, it wasn't like, yeah,I don't know.
Like, she says she was off thedeep end, but.
Right.
But her kids were took care of.
They were.
Like, she made allowances and,you know, and did things and
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probably made decisions that nomama would want to have to make.
Exactly.
To ensure their safety, youknow.
Absolutely.
My only thing about all of thatis, is that I just wish that her
kids didn't have to ever see herthat way.
I know.
That's the only part that reallyjust kind of breaks my heart.
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But, you know, she was doingeverything that she could and
she was doing it, you know, onher own.
Very little help from people.
Now, every now and then shemight.
text and say that she neededsome groceries or could she you
know get 10 or 20 bucks for gasor something like that which hey
you know what your bills arepaid and you are hustling and
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you're doing what you need to doyeah we can do some groceries we
can do some gas money i got youyou know but then once again
enter nathan and then casey'sgoing downhill again she starts
struggling with her bills she isstruggling she's fighting with
the landlord about having somethings taken care of until
finally that's when nathan'sparents had offered the rental
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house and they would work withcasey and that's when she moved
in and i hated that because thatgave nathan like a hundred
percent access to her at alltimes and then fast forward.
It's like moving the box intothe hen house, you know?
Exactly.
Exactly.
So when she went across thestreet, she was talking about
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the two guys that were breakingin her house.
I truly believe she was talkingabout Nathan and his friend,
Jonathan, because they, at thattime, that was who was always
going over and hanging out atCasey's house was Nathan and
Jonathan.
So it makes sense that Caseythought that There were two guys
trying to break into her backdoor.
That's how Nathan entered thehouse.
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Anyway, there was a front doorand then there was, you know,
the side door in the carport.
And that was where everybodyusually went.
So you've got all of this.
And then you fast forward toJuly 5th at 1030 at night.
Nobody's heard from Casey.
We find out that she'sdischarged around eight o'clock
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from the ER and Which they weresupposed to call and have
someone come.
Like, I mean, when you're beingdischarged from the hospital,
like, anytime I've beendischarged from the hospital,
they wheel you out.
They do.
And so, like, they wheeled herout to the curb and just said,
get out and, like, peace.
I mean, there was nobody there.
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They didn't ask her.
No, there was nobody ontelevision, on the closed
circuit television that theyhave.
They showed her walking out ofthe hospital at 8.03 p.m.
and she's on foot.
She goes to this van that'sparked there, talks to the
driver for a second, goesaround, gets in the van.
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She's only in the van for about30 seconds.
She jumps out of the van andthen proceeds walking.
They were able to determine thatthat man was there with another
person.
He had dropped him off, wentinside, was there and left with
that same person.
This was at a gas station,right?
No, this was at the hospital.
Oh, it was at the hospital.
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It was at the hospital, youknow, where cars line up for
discharge patients or for dropoff and stuff.
So when he was coming out, likethis guy was just waiting in
line to get over to the parkingspaces and everything.
He had already let out a female.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
that
SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
went into the ER.
Casey came out, talked to thedriver, and then got in.
And I don't know whattranspired.
Or she maybe thought a shuttleor a taxi or something.
I mean, because this is ahospital.
I thought the same thing.
I thought the same thing thatshe most likely she might have
thought that she had gottenherself an Uber because she went
to that at that time.
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Her car wasn't working.
So she had been using Uber.
The only thing is that shedidn't have her phone with her
at that time.
So she wouldn't have been ableto do that.
So why the hospital didn't callanybody if Debbie had given her
number for somebody to call, youknow, when Casey was being
released or which is what shereported.
Correct.
Right.
That's what she told my mom.
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She said.
She said that she had given hernumber and information to the
EMS driver to keep contact.
Now, why Casey didn't callsomebody from the hospital, I
don't know.
Maybe she did.
I don't know.
They don't have her onsurveillance doing that.
They just have the surveillanceof her leaving the hospital at
8.03 p.m., leaving on foot fromthe ER.
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She goes...
to that van.
Once she gets out of that van,she proceeds walking down the
drive to the ER, going backtowards the main road.
It's like a little bus terminalthere.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
They show her.
She sits down on the benchthere.
This was on a Sunday at thattime.
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None of the buses were running.
They show that she sits thereprobably maybe 20 minutes.
Then she gets up and she walksDown to the main road, she makes
a left, which is West Ferris,and they see her continue
walking until she's out of sightof all of their cameras.
And then from there, we don'tknow what happened to her.
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So my mom texts me around 1030saying, hey, have you heard from
Casey?
She's not at the hospital.
We don't know where she's at.
So the next morning, July 6th,Casey still has not shown up.
She hasn't made any contact withanybody.
I mean, not even her ownparents, not her own kids,
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nothing.
So my mom actually went andfiled a missing persons report
and I started a social mediacampaign.
It was to the point that by thetime my mom had gone to file the
missing persons report, theinvestigator that took the case
had already seen the postcirculating on social media.
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So he was already familiar withthe fact that Casey was gone.
SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
Which was good.
That meant that the posts weregetting out there.
So that was a plus.
UNKNOWN (35:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:30):
Um, so that's reported.
Then, you know, you go to theseventh and still haven't heard
anything.
Now, what was really kind ofstrange is that Nathan sent a
Facebook message to Casey'sex-husband, Greg, stating that
he has no idea where Casey is,doesn't know where she may have
gone.
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Unsolicited, right?
Unsolicited.
Yeah.
And there wasn't like Gregmessaging, like, where is Casey?
Have you heard from Casey oranything?
Nathan sends this message toGreg.
And then what really kind ofstood out is that he made
mention in there that he doesn'tknow if Casey had her phone or
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not.
He doesn't know where Casey'sphone is.
He's looked everywhere for it.
And even went on to say thathe's looked out in the woods and
stuff when he takes Olive, thedog, out to go potty.
Because they were taking care ofCasey's dog at this time too.
On his Facebook page.
Over the next couple of days, hemade several statements saying
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that, you know, he even helpedload Casey into the ambulance
and described that she wasn'twearing any shoes.
He had even made comments about,oh, they saw her just on the
CCTV saying that she was walkingin just socks.
Okay, first of all, they neverdownloaded the surveillance
video.
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like they were supposed to fromthe hospital.
So after seven days, it wasdeleted off of their server.
Nobody saw that video.
So how did Nathan know thatCasey left in just socks and
hospital socks at that?
How did he know that?
His condo is 1.1 mile away fromthe hospital.
And it was in the direction thatCasey was walking.
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Did she ever make it there?
We don't know.
Is that where she was going?
We don't know.
So come to find out four dayslater, when the investigator
says that he's going to try toping Casey's phone, that's when
Nathan finally comes forward andsays, oh, I've got the phone.
I didn't hand it over because Iwas scared of getting in trouble
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because there being pictures onit of me smoking weed.
Okay, first of all, he lied.
He gave false statements to thepolice.
And then, okay, yeah, he toldthe truth, or whatever the hell
that version is, but toldsupposedly the truth.
And it's okay.
And they don't, nothing happens.
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Nothing happens.
They don't even interrogate him.
No.
For that, like, they don't.
He lied to the police.
He gave false information to thepolice.
The investigator told me it'snot a crime to lie.
Well, yes, the hell it is.
In some cases it can be.
Well, then why is it a crime togive false information?
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What's the difference betweenfalse information and lying?
Good question.
I don't know.
I mean, I guess I'm going toneed like a legal reference book
or something because I don'tunderstand.
I don't understand thedifference.
I mean, to my knowledge, theymean the same thing.
You would think.
So nothing happens.
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That ticks me off because, Imean, that kind of stuff is the
thing that gets overlooked.
Like if you watch TV shows, youknow, where they, that kind of
stuff gets overlookedconstantly.
And if people would do their duediligence, do the work, do the
job the correct way, a lot ofthese cases will be solved.
And I understand everybody'sshort-staffed.
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But then, I'm sorry, you'regoing to be slow getting to
whatever it is you got to getto.
You might as well take another,what, however many minutes,
collect something properly orsave something properly or make
sure you have it on, you know,downloaded before you leave if
you're an investigator.
Right.
Right.
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You would think.
Now, one of the things that Iwas glad that we had is that I
had started the Casey Come Homepage so that we could try to
keep this present, circulatethose flyers out to people you
know have friends and familyjoin and have them sharing it
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everywhere too because at thispoint we don't know what
happened and we were going to imean we went to some really
really rotten places we went tosome homeless encampments to
pass out flyers we went toshelters and missions We went
and looked under bridges and Ieven went to a known drug
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dealer's house and knocked onhis door.
I had a pistol with me at thattime, but I just knocked on the
door and I basically, look, I'mnot here about your business.
You know, I know what you do.
Let's just put it like that.
I'm not here to try to mess upyour business.
This is what I'm here for.
Because it was a known placefor, you know, people to go to
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get what they needed.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
So we were going at that point off of any lead that
they had.
Meanwhile, Nathan's sitting overthere with Casey's phone for
four days.
And I'm just, you know, I knowthey can, I know that they can
go back and pull it out, but Imean, it just, it makes me
wonder what he's trying.
Why would he keep it for fourdays?
Okay.
Why, why would he have it forfour days and not a day?
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Right.
Or not three days or not twodays.
You know what I mean?
He was trying to figure out howto wipe it, how to get shit off
of it.
That's what he was trying to do.
He was going through it, makingsure there was nothing that
would incriminate him in anytype of way.
Well, and here's the thing isthat Casey had an iPhone.
Nathan used to work at the Applestore.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
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So that made me very suspect ofhim in the beginning because of
that, because I wanted to knowthe same thing.
Was anything added, removed fromher phone?
Because you can still go inthere and find that history.
OK, well, his his his statementto police, you know, and asked,
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why did you lie?
Was it?
oh, I was scared because therewas pictures on the phone of me
smoking weed.
Did they find the pictures onthe phone of him smoking weed?
No, he had deleted those.
Okay, well then that tells themthe answer.
That's the answer to thequestion.
If he went in and deleted thephotos, you know he went through
messages.
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You know he went through emails.
You know he went throughwhatever.
He probably deleted...
damn brick breaker or somethingif her level was higher than his
you know what I'm saying likesomething dumb like he's just
fucking crazy he is of coursesomebody that has that kind of
background and knows that muchabout iPhones knows that much
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about that product he had it forfour days right I'm sorry.
That's, like, that's hiding.
I mean, I'm sorry, like, missingperson case.
That's evidence in a missingperson's case.
And you're hiding evidence.
You're haltering evidence.
Right.
And nothing happens.
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Nothing.
Nothing has happened at this.
Because, in their opinion, nocrime has happened.
But, like, generally, when thisstuff happens, I know I hear
stories of people just takingoff and never...
But I mean, to me, it's so muchmore realistic that something
nefarious happened than somebodyjust saying, fuck my life and
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grabbing, you know, and justhitting the highway.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and we both know how Caseyis, too.
Like she was she had hercreature comforts.
She did.
And she she's I'm sorry.
She was so incredibly close toher family, her kids, her
parents.
There's just no you.
There's no way.
No.
I don't think that she everwould have just walked away.
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No way possible.
No.
So, one of the other things thatwe did get is that, you know,
like a few days after that, thatneighbor that had recorded
Casey, I had spoke with them andthey told me, you know, a little
bit about what had gone on overthat couple of days and also
sent me those videos of Casey'sdemeanor when she went over just
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in her bra and leggings and thenlater on that day when she went
out of her window.
And, then went by EMS that way.
She felt like somebody was afterher, that she couldn't get out
of her house, and she went outof her room.
Here's the question, though.
Was somebody after her?
Well, the neighbor did confirmthat Nathan was already there
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when his mother pulled up.
So Nathan was at the house.
Nathan was at the house.
When they arrived back from thehospital.
Right.
The first time.
Yes.
So the one thing that I haven'tbeen able to get an answer to.
And the one thing that I wouldlike to know is what was it that
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caused the neighbor toimmediately start recording at
night?
casey's window because that'show the video starts is it's
like like he heard noise runninglike rumbling through the house
or something or screaming orsome kind of disturbance at that
room something and then you seecasey's window opening and her
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going out of it and the videothat's where it starts is casey
opening this window and hercoming out of it so what i want
to know is what was it that theysaw or heard at that point in
time when they're sittingoutside that made them want to
do that.
Yeah.
And another question, likeanother question I have, like,
(45:19):
okay, so let's say she's in adrug induced psychosis.
Okay.
You know, that window I've seenthe video is not a like low
window.
I would say it's probably what?
Four foot, three and a half,four foot from the ground.
Right.
You know, it's average.
It's like a brick branch kind ofstyle.
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But the windows, I mean, theydon't look that high, but when
you're standing right in frontof them, most of us probably
would come, our head wouldprobably just look into the
window.
So, I mean, that's, and therewas like no, I mean, it was like
a rough break.
Right.
When she hit the ground.
SPEAKER_01 (45:57):
She had already had cracked ribs, too, from where
she fell over her dog.
SPEAKER_00 (46:01):
Right.
like a week prior and hadcracked her ribs falling on the
floor.
Okay.
So then she, on top of that, shefalls out of this window.
Right.
And I mean, you can tell she'sbreath.
She's, I mean, she's layingthere for a good second or two,
you know, but it's almost likeyou can see her coming to and
realizing, oh shit, I got torun.
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And I understand that can besomething, but to me that had to
have been actual fear that madeher get up in pain like that and
run.
Right.
For her to be in that conditionand out of breath, there was
something, whether real or not,at that point in time, caused
her to want to try to run awayor get away.
I mean, she threw a bag out thewindow, too.
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Like, she was ready to leave.
SPEAKER_01 (46:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:46):
And the last picture that was ever taken of her is
her sitting in the driveway withscratches and, you know, blood
on her arms and her lookingterrified.
I can genuinely say I've seenCasey's emotions and that is
terror on her face.
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It looks like just dismay to me.
You know what I mean?
Just complete offendedness.
I hate looking at that picture.
I do too.
It's a very real picture.
When you think about the eventsand things, it's a very eerie
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emotional hard to get picturesfor me it is now another strange
thing that happened is that wehad her news story it was on you
know local media it was you knowstill going on around social
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media we had started gaining afollowing with Casey come home
from friends family and you knowfriends of friends and Then I
get a message is this was onJuly 24th.
So it was only 19 days afterCasey was reported missing.
And I get a message saying thatthere is a utility dumpster on
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Casey's property.
And so when.
I let my mom know, hey,there's...
So you mean like a constructiondumpster?
A construction dumpster.
Not even a small one.
It's like one like they're aboutto do some major...
Renovations.
Right.
So it's one of those big squareutility dumpsters out there.
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And they said that they wereusing it to get all of the trash
out of the house.
Now, Casey, I ain't never beento Casey's house.
And it'd been like...
So much trash.
Casey liked things.
She liked stuff.
She liked a knickknack.
You know what I mean?
Like...
She loved, I mean, she lovedthings.
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She didn't, she had a lot ofstuff, but like she was very
clean.
I just can't see her.
Well, I went back and I evenlooked on Casey's Facebook where
she had pictures of herself andstuff inside the house.
And, um, even when she had movedin and then when she had got new
little things she had posted onFacebook because you know she
was a yard sale queen and shewould post all of her finds and
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everything on Facebook you knowto her page so I had gone back
and I had looked through some ofthose pictures that were more
recent for like April and Mayand even some that were in June
there is no way in that amountof time from that last picture
in June to let's just say July5th when she went missing, that
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there would be that muchaccumulated trash that they
would need a utility dumpster toclean it out.
And why are they cleaning thisout right now?
It's not even a full 30 days.
We don't even know where Caseyis.
It was 19 days.
I mean, that's pitiful.
I mean, that tells me they knowsomething.
Well, that's when my mom decidedto coordinate with them and they
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got everything out of Casey'shouse.
I was actually not allowed togo.
because I had basically toldNathan that if I found out that
he had anything to do withCasey's disappearance and the
fact that he held onto the phonefor those four days and lied
about it, then I was, I wouldhurt him.
And I stand by that.
I stand on business with that.
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And you can take that as athreat or you can take that as a
promise, or you can take that asa damn bank.
I mean, I wasn't allowed ontheir property and I respected
that.
I did not go over there to theproperty when they were moving
Casey's things out of the house.
But at that point, point in timemy mom actually got in Nathan's
face because he was just goingon about something and he reeked
(50:43):
of alcohol and of course this isa time if you think about it he
comes in he's wearing a COVIDmask and my mom can still smell
alcohol and she got up in hisface and told him the same thing
you better hope you didn't haveanything to do with this I can't
I mean I know that I mean,things happen to people.
For me, I don't see a way thatthey're not involved more than
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they say.
Right.
I mean, this is all justcircumstantial.
And here's the thing that wealso have to understand is it's
not about what we personallybelieve.
It's about what we can prove.
Well, I mean, it's just, like Isaid, I'm deducing.
If I were just reading thisonline, like a book or watching
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it like a true crime documentaryor whatever.
Right.
You start to pick up like, Hey,this is no, maybe not.
Of course I, in the beginning.
Yeah.
All that would have definitely,I would have been an agreement
that he definitely was hidingsomething.
Right.
You know, but his behavior afterthat, And since then has done
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nothing but show that he is,first of all, not wanting to
participate in any of the rescuethings, you know, any of the
handing the flyers out.
No, he didn't do anything.
He lied about it.
Well, yeah, he did do that.
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When I had created a flyer, Iwas emailing it to people who
were printing them out in theirareas.
and going and putting them outat different locations.
And people were going out in theneighborhoods around the
hospital and stuff and passingout flyers to people.
Nathan said that he went outwith his friend, Lisa, and they
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went to go put flyers out.
And I had emailed a copy of thisto Lisa as well.
The email, like the interchangebetween you and him, you said?
sent her?
Yeah, so he told me that he andLisa had gone out and put flyers
out.
Okay.
And because neither he nor Lisahad a car at the time, they went
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as far as they could on footaround the Augusta Road area,
which is one of the other mainroads that leads to West Ferris
that leads to the hospital.
So like I said, Nathan onlylived...
1.1 mile away so that's a primearea to be putting out flyers
except for when i talked to lisato tell her thank you for going
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and putting those flyers out Shetold me, oh, I haven't heard
from Nathan since all of thishappened.
And she said, I wasn't able toget the flyers to print on my
printer for some reason.
So he just boldface lied.
He boldface lied.
Lisa had not.
For no reason.
Like you didn't ask.
You didn't say, hey, did youhand flyers out?
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No.
He said, Lisa and I.
Went and put flyers outtogether.
And we went on foot sinceneither of us have a car.
Bro, he is something else.
Right.
Cool.
So that kind of raised a redflag with me on that too,
because now you've completelylied about even trying to help.
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So I ended up.
He did post that weird ass, mybest friend's missing with no
information on it.
Right.
And to contact him.
Right.
Like he didn't even put her lastname.
No, he just put her last name.
But what was.
No, he said like my, my friendCasey is missing.
Oh yeah.
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That's what it was in a pictureof her that really didn't even
look like she did when she wentmissing.
And it was only from like hernose up.
Yeah.
It was just like, he didn't, itwas strange.
It was really like reallystrange behavior is what it was.
It was, it was a half ass postand we looked at it too.
And we're like, wait a minute.
What?
But like, but like you said,with the eyes peeking and not,
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it's just like a, it was almostlike a, like a suggestion.
Right.
Like, yeah, yeah.
maybe keep an eye out or if youhear anything or whatnot.
Now I will say a couple of yearslater, we did another flyer
distribution and the local boxstation was with us and covered
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us going door to door in thatarea, putting out flyers.
And I made sure that they got meputting one on his front door.
And I screenshot that I did.
I posted that on Facebookbecause I thought, you know
what?
You're going to know that wehaven't stopped.
You haven't said anything forall of these years.
You haven't helped.
(55:30):
You haven't checked in on thefamily.
His family has not checked in onour family.
Hasn't said anything.
Nathan does not want to go inand talk to the cops.
He says it's because of hisanxiety.
Well, baby, I got anxiety, too.
But I just be talking all thetime.
Oh, God.
Like, who don't?
Right.
So basically, those are all ofthese things.
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And we had...
know a couple other leads idon't want people to think that
we just focused on solely nathanbecause there were a couple of
people that had come forwardthat had leads that they thought
um they had seen casey forexample there was one there was
a a lady that lived in an areanot far from there called five
(56:14):
forks and she could have swornthat she saw casey over in her
subdivision and come to find outit was a girl that actually
looked very similar to caseyit's the hair it was the hair it
was that hairstyle it was andthis girl also had a same petite
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build that casey did it's justthat it was another resident
that lived in that subdivisionthat just happened to look like
Casey.
But what that told us rightthere is people were looking,
people were seeing, they weretrying to match these things up.
And if it was something thatlooked like it could be possible
or feasible, they weren'tholding back to bring forward
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that information.
So even if it was a dud, it wasstill a lead.
Right.
And that's what, I mean, that's,I mean, obviously the first lead
that came through solvedeverything.
That would be wonderful.
Right.
You know, but, but leads leadanything anybody knows or thinks
they may know.
And, you know, I understand whysome people might fear telling
(57:20):
things, you know, for their ownsafety.
And, you know, I understand thattype of, you know, scenario.
I don't know if I was in asituation where I feared for my
life.
I don't know what I would dountil I was in that situation to
where what I would tell or whatI wouldn't tell, you know?
Right.
UNKNOWN (57:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (57:37):
I'd like to think I would do the right thing because
I've got myself in trouble, youknow, for doing it my whole
life.
I feel like so.
Right.
Well, I mean, I feel like Iwould.
It was to the point that aroundFebruary of March of 2021, Abby
and Dave, my husband, went intoWalmart in the area where Casey
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lived.
And when they went in there,there was a lady that was
leaving and And of course, thiswas still times of COVID where
masking up was still going on.
And so this woman had a mask on.
She had on long sleeves and shehad on like yoga pants and the
boots.
And it's exactly like what Caseywould have worn.
(58:23):
And it was to the point thatthey both did a double take and
tried to go right back out thedoor and find out where this
woman went because they wantedto confirm that it was not
Casey.
or confirm if it was, but it wasenough to make them turn around
and go back out the door tofollow this woman.
Right.
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The investigator went and pulledup the surveillance.
All they had was sidesurveillance and like top
surveillance where she wasputting money into the machine
at self-checkout.
But at that time, they didn'thave the cameras that was
recording your face.
So all I had to go off of wastrying to look at the hands to
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see if I could see any tattoosor see if I could, you know,
debunk it somehow.
It was never confirmed or deniedthat it was Casey.
So that gave us hope right therethat maybe she's still in the
area.
Maybe she did walk away, youknow, maybe something happened.
So then, and later on that year,Of 2021, what we found out is,
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no, I'm sorry, of 2020, is laterthat year around October,
November, that rental house thatCasey was living in was
completely renovated.
The one owned by Nathan'sparents that was directly next
door to their own home.
So they own two adjoiningproperties.
Well, the way that it's set upis that the rental property sat
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close to the road.
but it shared a driveway.
And when you go past Casey'shouse up the driveway, Nathan's
parents' house sat behind thereon a good piece of land.
Okay.
I got you.
Yeah.
So that's how that was set up.
So you couldn't see Nathan'sparents' house from the road.
You could only see Casey'shouse.
(01:00:16):
Right.
We were actually driving throughthere and we passed it and we
turned around and went past itagain because I couldn't, I
could not believe anything.
that it had been completelyrenovated that way it was it
wasn't even brick anymore it hadlike a whole wooden front porch
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on it wraparound porcheverything had been painted
white the door was redoneeverything was done and what i
found out is that nathan'sbrother his wife and their new
baby had moved in there but imean and of course if it's their
property you know it is Ifthey're not doing something
grimy by trying to...
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But I'm saying, I remember thehouse, seeing pictures, and it
was not in bad shape.
It was a nice house.
The finishes weren't very old.
No, not at all.
I would say it had probably beenremodeled within the last...
Eight to ten years, it looked...
Yeah, it was fairly modern.
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Yeah, like, I mean, it had...
It was a clean slate kind ofthing.
It wasn't like it needed to begutted because it had ugly
features.
It was...
No, it was a perfectly finehouse.
It was cute as could be.
And Casey loved that house.
She decorated it and made it herown as Casey did.
You know, she loved that house.
So it was just really odd thatfrom July to...
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October, maybe the end ofOctober, early November, that
this house was completelyrenovated, redone.
It's like, as soon as Casey wentmissing, okay, we're going to
clean out this house.
Oh, we're just getting trashout.
But then we're going to turnaround and we're going to
renovate this house and do allof this stuff to it in a matter
of a few months.
So that just kind of threw up ared flag.
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Yeah, I mean, people can arguethe point maybe that Well, it
was their house, and she wasn'tanswering or responding, and
this is me playing devil'sadvocate.
You know, they couldn't get ahold of her, and, you know, they
wanted their house and herstuff, and that's fine, but,
like, why wouldn't they call oneof y'all and say, look, you
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know, Casey's missing, and Youknow, we don't really know
what's going on, but we just arekind of out.
We're kind of out.
And when she comes back, wereally are just want to kind of
wash our hands of the situation.
And that would have beenabsolutely cool.
Right.
But they didn't do that.
They didn't do any of that.
They did not keep any of thatcommunication.
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And like I said, I don't wantpeople to think that we just
focus strictly on Nathan becausethere were people that would
send us pictures.
They would send us, you know,screenshots of things that they
had found.
They would send us cases.
Anytime something came up on thenews, they would send us news
articles about it, about amissing person that was found or
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remains that had been found.
I mean, they would send usthings constantly.
So everything that we got, weforwarded to the investigator
because we wanted everything tobe looked at.
There was even a girl that hadcome forward and said that she
had gone on a date with a guywho was a doctor over at the ER.
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He was in pediatric ER, but shemet him on an app.
They went out on a date and hesaid something to the effect of
that he would like to be able tostrangle someone just to watch
the light leaving or lifeleaving their eyes to the point
that she abruptly ended the dateand it skis her out so bad.
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You're going to get creepozoidsanyway on some of these apps,
but you're not thinking about adoctor who has taken an oath to,
you know, not harm.
Right.
Well, to shitty people, oathdon't mean nothing.
You know what I mean?
Right.
So you got this doctor sayingthat, yeah, you know, and it
would be somebody like ahomeless person or something.
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Now, here's the thing is thatthis particular one lives near
the hospital and lives near apark that is close to the
hospital.
So we've looked into that, too,to see, you know, has Casey...
come in contact with him at thehospital that night was he off
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work that night could he haveseen Casey going because this
you think about it it was July4th weekend people were out and
about there was a lot of trafficeven though it was times of
COVID they had started openingup things and people were
masking up and social distancingand things like that but things
were more open so even if itwasn't the traffic that it would
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normally be downtown on a normal4th of July when there wasn't a
pandemic going on, even half ofthat traffic is still a good bit
of traffic.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So we wanted somebody, anybodythat had any kind of information
to come forward.
So I just wanted to say thatjust to say like Nathan was not
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our only lead.
This is just something thatmatches up.
We've had, uh, you know, privateinvestigators in on this too.
We've tried every other leadthat we could think of.
So that's just something elsethat we found out.
Then I had somebody that cameforward and said too, that there
is a friend of Nathan's whopassed away from an OD.
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that he and Nathan used to dodrugs together.
He was actually very artistic.
He did photography.
He had a lot of things goingfrom before him.
He had a bad breakup and then heOD'd by accident.
So we didn't know if maybeNathan had something to do with
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that because he was always intodrugs and things of that nature.
Could he have been partying withthis guy, you know?
But the sister said that theydid know each other, but she
couldn't confirm if they hadever done anything together.
But I do know for a fact thatCasey and Nathan have done drugs
together.
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But that was another part in themessage that he put to Greg is
that he didn't know anything.
What she may have been on.
What kind of drugs.
She was hallucinating.
If she was on drugs, he didn'tknow where she would have gotten
them from.
That he doesn't do those kind ofthings.
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Which was another bold-facedlie.
Because I know for a fact thathe has.
I have seen him high.
I know that he would give thingsto Casey.
There were times where I sawCasey exchange Xanax for weed.
He would give her Xanax.
She would give him weed.
So I know that they did...
The barter and trade system, Iknow that they ran with a lot of
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the same people, the same crowd,knew a lot of the same bad
stuff.
So that's just when we puteverything together, it just
doesn't add up.
The math ain't mapping.
But we'll go into a little bitmore about what's been done
since and where we are now onour next week's episode.
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So, best friend, you ready toget on out of here?
Let's get on out of here.
Alright, well tell your mama andthen we'll holler at them next
week.
We'll holler.
Hey, big friend.
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ongoing for my family and thatis that my cousin Casey Ann
Pogue went missing fromGreenville, South Carolina on
July 5th of 2020 and she has notbeen seen or heard from since.
And so we're coming up in Julyon five years and the really
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hard part about that is becauseshe would be able to be declared
legally dead.
Yeah.
So we are having to kind of cometo terms with that.
And also the fact that we stilldon't have any answers.
And so on July 5th, she went toGreenville Memorial Hospital in
Greenville, South Carolina, andshe left on foot and
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surveillance caught her walkingdown West Ferris Road before she
went out of sight.
So there's no othersurveillance.
We don't know what happenedother than, you know, we know
that people don't justdisappear.
They don't just vanish into thinair.
No.
So, and I know, you know, Caseyas well, Crystal, and she has
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been a big part of not just myfamily, but your family as well.
And that's one of the things,the first question that people
had always asked was, well, wasshe on something or did she have
a mental breakdown?
And the answer is going to bevery clearly.
Yes.
Okay.
Column A and column B.
As well.
We're just going to put it outthere because, you know, we know
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that she had demons that shestruggled with.
You know, she had alcoholdependency that she had
overcome.
She had drug dependencies thatshe had overcome.
And she had mental health thingsthat she was struggling with and
had overcome too.
But just like with any of thosethings, you know, there's always
that risk factor.
of falling back into thosecycles.
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And that just happened to bewhat happened at this particular
time.
But that doesn't take away fromthe fact that Casey was one that
she would carry blankets andextra dog food and extra human
food in her car for anybody thatshe ever ran across or a stray
animal.
She would give you the shirt offof her back.
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You know, her laugh.
Oh my God, her laugh wascontagious.
And then Casey, one of mybiggest memories and is the
Sunday dinners that we alwaysdid at her house and her country
fried steak.
And she would, I love her.
What was that?
Stuffed shells was my favorite.
Yeah.
And she would always make thestuffed shells.
Those were my favorite.
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I love those.
Yeah.
I loved them.
Like she hit it every time.
Every time nailed it on thehead.
And yeah, it was alwayssomething, you know, every
Sunday it was somethingdifferent and we would bring
something, but she would alwaysjust want us to bring a dessert
or a drink or something likethat to have for everybody.
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And she loved being in thekitchen and cooking for people
was like her comfort.
She always wanted to be servingsomebody.
And by that, I mean, doingsomething for somebody.
It very much was, typical, like,I don't know, to me, like,
remembering her doing that,hosting those events, it was
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like a 50s housewifeentertaining a dinner party, but
it was so laid back and fun, youknow, it wasn't, like, stiff or
anything like that, everybodywas comfortable, but that's how
she was, she flittered around,making sure everybody was good,
and then, you know, by the timethe first or second wave of
people start to leave,
SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
When
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
there's just a few left, you could just see her,
like, sit down and, like, youknow, like, yeah, I'm pooped.
I'm tired.
I'm ready to, yeah.
And that's how she was.
And I think that was always myfavorite part about those Sunday
dinners is when that second babycame.
She performed.
You know what I mean?
Not that she was faking, but sheput on a, you know.
She was the most gracioushostess.
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Yes.
That's right.
Yeah, that's the more eloquentway of speaking.
saying that.
Right.
She was the greatest host.
Definitely.
Back around 2013, she had goneinto mental health because of,
you know, some issues that shewas having, which she and I both
went through the same type ofprogram.
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We did the intensive outpatienttreatment.
So that was a really big thing.
We weren't there at the sametime, but the program that she
went through, I know Yeah.
Yeah.
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things would go good for alittle bit and then, we would
definitely see Casey go on anddecline again.
There were a lot of differenterratic things that she had done
in a lot of different episodeswhere Nathan was involved or
Nathan had been in the picturearound that time and Casey went
off the deep end.
And that seemed to be whenNathan would disappear again.
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He would tell him to stir thepot and leave.
Yeah, that's exactly what hedid.
He was happy to get it going andget it turning, but he wasn't
going to be there wheneverything came down to it.
Right.
He was not one of those, I'mgoing to be there for you when
shit hits the fan.
He's like, it's been cool.
See you later.
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Everything's falling apart rightnow.
So this is my chance to exit.
I'm just gonna, yeah.
Yeah.
And I'll get back with you whenthings are more on the up and
up.
But meanwhile, Nathan was a messhimself.
So to the point, like hisparents had bought him a condo
in a really well, establishedarea of Greenville.
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And he had his own condo there,but he was such a mess that he
would stay at his parents'house.
Now, his parents also hadanother home on their property.
And when Casey fell on hardtimes, I will say that they did
allow Casey to move in to thisrental property with her and her
son.
And that's where they wereliving.
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However, that also gave Nathanaccess to her more frequently
and because of that but hold onlike question though do you feel
that they did that in benefit ofCasey or to appease Nathan I
think it could have been alittle bit of both to be honest
with you I really do you know itseemed to me like he just kind
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of dominated them and he did hewas coddled you know I didn't
even know that he had a brotheruntil like a couple of years
later, because the focus wasalways so much older or younger.
I want to say an older brother.
And I never knew that he had abrother or siblings at all,
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because the focus was always onNathan.
And even when Casey would tellme things about him, like I knew
about him, I knew about his momand dad and that his mom and dad
were ministers and things likethat.
No idea.
Yeah.
That he had any kind ofsiblings.
Because.
That's wild though.
That they were both preacher'schildren.
That's correct.
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They met in therapy.
And they met in therapy.
And you know.
They would have good runs.
And then when it wasn't good.
It wasn't good.
So Casey had moved in.
To this house.
Around Christmas time.
Of 2019.
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So that's about six months?
Seven?
About seven months before shewent missing.
Before she went missing.
Okay.
Now, the thing is, is that ithas been said, too, that there
were some arguments, I guess, orsome disagreements that had
happened between Casey andNathan during that period of
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time as well.
But they were on speaking terms,right?
when she had gone missing and sohow that came about is well hold
on like just for context for thethe listeners and a little bit
for me too like what kind ofthings did they argue about like
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what were the i mean they werefriends they weren't in a
romantic relationship just toclarify because you know nathan
is gay he is and they were bestfriends you know or so-called It
was truly a platonicrelationship, but they were very
codependent on each other.
Right.
A lot of times Nathan would havejealousy if Casey wanted to
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spend her time with anybodyelse.
He wanted to always have Caseyalone time.
So if I were over at her houseor if...
You know, she were coming overto my house or something like
that.
Nathan didn't want any part ofthat.
So I had actually only metNathan two, maybe three times
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during their whole friendship.
And it was very short.
It was more like a we're meetingup kind of situation.
One time I went and I had droveCasey's car and she was meeting
with him at a Starbucks.
We were out and about.
And Nathan basically called andsaid, hey, do you want to go
grab a coffee?
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I'm over at the Starbucks.
And Casey was like, yeah, that'sgreat.
So what ended up happening is Idropped her off with Nathan.
That was the first time that Ihad ever met him.
And then I drove her car backhome and my car was there.
So I was able to go on home fromthere, which was absolutely fine
because I wanted Casey to beable to go have coffee with her
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friend.
I didn't know any better at thattime.
SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
So it's just little things like that.
Now, exactly what they foughtabout, I don't know.
But there were times where itwould get aggressive to where
Nathan has put hands on Caseybefore.
So like restraining hands?
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No, like I'm going to push youinto this brick wall.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
And for those that don't know Casey, she was only
about...
5'2", 5'3", and maybe 100 poundssoaking wet.
I don't even think she was.
She was probably mostly around90 pounds, which I know that
sounds like I'm splitting hairs,but when you're that small,
that's a big difference, 10pounds.
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She was very petite.
She was fairy-like.
Right.
She was very petite.
I used to tell her I could puther in my purse.
Yeah.
Just climb in my purse and I'llcarry you around.
But she just, that's compared toNathan, who was six foot and
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probably at least 200 pounds.
I would say more.
The time I've seen him, I thinkonce or twice.
Right.
Somewhere at some point, maybeit's online.
I don't even remember to behonest, but he's more like 250
probably.
He's pudgy, but he's big.
He's kind of a looming guy.
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He is.
And he never was that large sizewhen they first got together.
So I don't know what happened inNathan's path that caused him to
gain the weight and to lookdisheveled the way he does.
Depression.
I mean, it can.
It can.
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I definitely understand thatpart.
You know, I've been there.
You've been there.
Oh,
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
God, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:34):
So, that's what I don't understand is what they
actually argued about.
They weren't in a romanticrelationship together.
You know, it was strictlyplatonic.
Casey had moved in aroundChristmas time in 2019 to this
rental home with her and herson.
She was still friends withNathan.
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She was kind of going downhillat that time and to be
completely transparent I hadkind of backed off with talking
to her at that point in time toobecause I was telling her that
this is not good Nathan is notgood for you you know you're
you're different you're changingit was all of those same
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patterns that I had seen beforeso um then what comes up to you
know July 4th the day before shegoes missing is that evening she
had walked across the street andshe illegally enters the
neighbor's house.
And she goes in there and shestarts going through their
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groceries, their cabinets, andshe's trying to put it in bags
and take it out to the carportto where their car is parked.
And she's asking the neighborsfor their keys.
She wanted the keys to the car.
She said she had to make thisdelivery.
This is what the neighbors hadtold Debbie and Wyatt.
who are Nathan's parents.
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They basically, they knew theBrowns.
They walked Casey back overthere, let him know what's going
on.
So Nathan and his mother,Debbie, take Casey to the Greer
Hospital.
And basically, they look herover.
She is later on released fromthe hospital.
Now, while she is in thehospital, she posts on Facebook
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that she and her ex-husband arere-engaged.
And that's not true.
Not at all.
Yeah.
And to the point, she evencalled her dad to tell him about
this engagement.
And he basically said, or shesaid, Greg's coming to get his
girl.
And this was not true.
And Greg had even posted onFacebook under that post.
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I mean, you know, he came from aplace of love.
He really did.
He did.
And it's not that he didn't loveCasey.
It's just that that was nottrue.
They had not even really talkedabout that or considered that.
Not to mention they live acrosscountry practically from each
other.
Right.
So Greg had moved back toMichigan where he's from.
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Casey still lived in SouthCarolina.
So they were divorced at thistime.
No plans of re-engagement atall.
But this is just...
what Casey believes.
And I've been with her beforewhen she is having these kind of
hallucinations that she will belucid for certain periods of
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time.
And then other things, you know,she will talk about past things
that happened.
So I've experienced thatfirsthand.
I know that she can be that way.
But that was kind of the prequelto July 5th.
So the timeline that we have, soshe's discharged from the Greer
Hospital on July 4th.
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Okay, I'm not sure what timethat was.
But on July 5th, around 757 inthe morning, Casey made a call
to 911 where she stated that herand her quote unquote sister
have been held hostage for threedays.
Now, you know, as well as I do.
He doesn't have a sister.
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He doesn't have a sister.
And she has, you know, threestepbrothers, but they don't
live together.
anywhere near here they're inflorida and texas and stuff like
that so nothing came of that andthe only thing that we could
think about as far as the sisterthat she could have been
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referring to was either myselfor my sister
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
right
SPEAKER_00 (16:39):
because that's how we grew up is we grew up very
close very while we're cousinswe grew up very sister-like
right so then after that 9-1-1call And nothing happened.
Around 1030 that morning, Caseywent to that same neighbor's
house that she had been in thenight before getting their
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groceries.
She went to that neighbor'shouse claiming that her dog had
been hit by a car and her dogwas fine.
Now, Casey was dressed.
Casey was.
I'm sorry.
I don't mean to let her.
Casey thought Olive was missing.
thought that olive had been hitby a car oh have been okay okay
okay but olive was walking alongwith her and was absolutely fine
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oh okay so she like has so yeahshe ended up going back to that
neighbor's house and now caseywas dressed in nothing but a bra
and black leggings and as shewas approaching over to the
neighbor's house dressed likethis she was out of breath The
neighbor decided that she wasgoing to record Casey's
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behavior.
And so she did do a video andCasey made mention of two men
trying to break into her house.
And another call was actuallyplaced from a neighbor to 911 as
well about the same residence.
And there was nothing...
that was stated it was just itwas kind of like dismissed so
Casey went back home andeverything like that then around
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one o'clock or so the neighborhad recorded Casey going out of
her bedroom window and sobasically the neighbor called
9-1-1 and they were dispatchedout and basically Casey said the
same thing that her and hersister had been held hostage for
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three days and They were tryingto look for a potential suspect,
and so she was saying then thatwhile she was there, her sister
had run into the garden.
Okay, Casey didn't have agarden.
Now, we do know that she had herphone with her at 109 p.m.
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because she had also tried tocall 911 herself, but she
disconnected the call.
And so EMS had responded to thescene.
She goes to the hospital.
And both the EMS notes and thedoctor's notes say that Casey
was actively experiencingauditory and visual
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hallucinations.
So that's what we know with hergoing to the hospital.
Now on July 5th, that evening,like we knew we were made aware
that Casey had gone to thehospital.
My mom had told me that Caseywas there.
So around 10 o'clock, thatnight, we still had not heard
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any update about Casey, if shewas okay, if anybody needed to
go get her from the hospital, ifanybody needed to be at the
house with her.
So my mom got in touch withNathan's mom, Debbie, and had
asked her, hey, have you heardanything about Casey?
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Do you know what's going on?
So Debbie said that she wouldcall the hospital and try to
find out.
She called my mom back and thenthey said that Casey was
basically released from thehospital around 8 o'clock that
night.
But nobody had been contacted.
Now, Debbie did say...
At what time did she arrive atthe hospital again having
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auditory and visualhallucinations?
It probably would have beenaround 1.30, 2 o'clock that
afternoon.
Okay, so I just don'tunderstand, like, if she was
having them then, she wasprobably still having them when
she left, or I don't know, maybeshe had calmed down enough to
where she could kind of, I don'tknow, that's just wild to me,
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like, you arrive at thehospital, like, full-on
hallucinating, and I don't know,I know people show up like that
on, you know, whatever drugskind of, you know, make you do
that kind of stuff, but at thesame time, like, you know, yeah,
it does that.
But then you do have people thatalso have these mental health
issues and these diagnoses andthese medications and stuff that
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they probably, you know, andthey're not or taking with or
doing, you know, it's adangerous combination.
Exactly.
It really is.
And so it should be monitored somuch better.
It should.
And instead, it just getsdismissed that, you know, oh,
she's tweaking on something oroh she's a drug addict or oh
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she's having a mental break orsomething like that you know and
especially when it comes to thedrugs so many people just get
disregarded yeah it's likepeople don't have sympathy for
the situation anymore like theydon't have like i don't know
most people i think look down onyou know or like oh there are
this or there that you know AndI'm not going to sit here and
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say I haven't said similar shitin the past, but these last
several years for me have taughtme a lot about life.
And what I think now when I seesomebody on drugs visibly in
public and Casey's situation wasprobably very typical.
I'm sure most people don't startdoing drugs because they're just
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perfectly well-balanced, happy,mentally healthy people.
Right.
I don't know anybody who justwakes up one day and says, Hey,
you know what?
I think I'll try meth.
Yeah.
Like it's not, it's not on a,like I said, emotionally
well-rounded person.
It's, it's not going to makesense, you know?
So obviously you have somethingthat guides you in that
direction, but I don't knowanymore.
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I just find myself like, Ireally, I have a lot more
compassion in my heart.
Like, am I going to give you aride?
Um, let me be clear.
Fuck no.
You cannot ride in my car.
Right.
But I feel for you.
And I'll help you out my bestability.
I'll give you what I can, butI'm not going to put my safety
or, you know what I mean?
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Like I'm willing to help to anextent.
And that's what I said aboutbefore is just like how Casey
was.
Like she probably would havegiven that person a ride or a
blanket or food or taken them toa shelter or taken them to
wherever they needed to go.
Or, you know, if they needed theshirt off of her back, right?
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Practically, you know, whatevershe had, she probably would have
given them a place to stay ifthey needed that too.
Like that's just the type ofperson she was, but she did get
disregarded because of the factthat she was going through a
season.
You know, she had bounced backfrom addiction before and had
done very well.
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She had stayed sober for, Ithink, five or six years before
she ever relapsed.
And she felt terrible about thatbecause of all the time that she
had put in before.
But she knew that she couldovercome it again.
And she worked every day to bebetter at that.
But it was like when she fellinto this pattern with Nathan,
it was a codependency that shejust could not get herself out
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of.
Yeah, but you gotta also, too,like, did she have these issues
prior?
Yes, she did.
You know, the alcoholism wasreally, you know, an issue for a
while.
But my thing is, you know, yes,she has all this, like,
predisposition for, you know,something...
To maybe go amiss, you know, andthen you think about what
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happened before her and him gotintertwined this last time, you
know, like before that.
I mean, she had just had anotherbroken marriage, another broken
marriage after, you know, a longterm, very good marriage that
just somehow just fell apart.
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It was so sad because they wereso, you know, that's when Casey
had gotten back on drugs andalcohol again, too.
And she was around Nathan.
And that's when she decided thatshe was going to end her
marriage with Greg, packed upherself and the kids went out to
Oklahoma where, you know, shejust couldn't do it because she
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was messed up herself.
She was still messed up there.
Her parents actually drove toOklahoma from Florida together.
And got the kids.
Casey had gone to rehab.
She had got herself cleaned upagain.
She went to Florida.
Where she had built such a goodlife.
She was doing so well.
So sober.
Rebuilt.
Like the Casey that we know.
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The Casey that we know.
It was her again.
And then she came back up toSouth Carolina.
And lo and behold.
There it goes again.
She's got Nathan in the pictureagain.
She's got this other failedmarriage.
She's trying to...
That was just a freakingwhirlwind, by the way.
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It was.
Yeah, she had been friends witha guy for, gosh, I know at least
a little bit over a decade.
Yeah, a long time.
And they had been friends for areally long time.
When she married Greg, sheactually cut contact because of
the fact that the guy had toldher that he had feelings for her
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and Casey was just like, yeah, Ican't do that, man.
So she cut ties.
Now after her and Greg haddivorced and Casey was doing
better and she had built herselfup, you know, in Florida, the
guy also lived in Florida.
And so they were able to finallyget together, have something
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really romantic.
They did so well together.
they were together for probablyabout six to eight months prior
to them deciding that they weregoing to get married then they
decided that they're going tohave this las vegas wedding and
so it was beautiful like herdress was just custom everything
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she had it just to her and itwas done in true casey style
like it was just flamboyantextra yeah but classy it was
very classy and that's what shewanted and so that's what she
got and then a month later itjust all falls to hell Casey is
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going off the deep end and onceagain Nathan is back in the
picture to provide you knowcomfort and You'll come for
somebody else, Nathan.
Right.
And it just goes downhill.
Well, she got away from him fora little bit there.
And then she got into her ownplace after this other marriage
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of a month went to hell.
And she had an episode where shewas actually hallucinating.
And she was screaming her socialat a tree.
And cops were able to get herback.
I had actually gone to try tofind her.
And they came up to the houseand said, hey, are you guys
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looking for a lady that liveshere?
And we were like, yes.
And we go outside and she'sacross the street where they're
doing some kind of construction.
And she's just shouting hersocial at this tree over and
over again.
But when I said her name, it'slike she snapped out of it.
She had that period of lucidityagain.
SPEAKER_01 (28:13):
So
SPEAKER_00 (28:15):
after that incident.
She had moved to another place.
She was doing phenomenal.
She was doing home health care,which she absolutely loved.
And she was working two jobs andshe was doing it on her own.
And that was one of the thingsthat she was so proud of is that
she was doing it on her own.
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It was hard.
But she was keeping herselfsober.
She was being the parent sheneeded to be.
And she was doing it on her own.
So...
And let's be...
I mean, otherwise of just thingsthat tend to happen.
But even when she was abusingalcohol or using or what, you
know, she never was a bad mom.
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Never.
I mean, she always...
I mean, I'm sure some of thethings...
I mean, come along with that,but, like, she always, her kids
were took care of.
You know, it wasn't like, yeah,I don't know.
Like, she says she was off thedeep end, but.
Right.
But her kids were took care of.
They were.
Like, she made allowances and,you know, and did things and
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probably made decisions that nomama would want to have to make.
Exactly.
To ensure their safety, youknow.
Absolutely.
My only thing about all of thatis, is that I just wish that her
kids didn't have to ever see herthat way.
I know.
That's the only part that reallyjust kind of breaks my heart.
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But, you know, she was doingeverything that she could and
she was doing it, you know, onher own.
Very little help from people.
Now, every now and then shemight.
text and say that she neededsome groceries or could she you
know get 10 or 20 bucks for gasor something like that which hey
you know what your bills arepaid and you are hustling and
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you're doing what you need to doyeah we can do some groceries we
can do some gas money i got youyou know but then once again
enter nathan and then casey'sgoing downhill again she starts
struggling with her bills she isstruggling she's fighting with
the landlord about having somethings taken care of until
finally that's when nathan'sparents had offered the rental
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house and they would work withcasey and that's when she moved
in and i hated that because thatgave nathan like a hundred
percent access to her at alltimes and then fast forward.
It's like moving the box intothe hen house, you know?
Exactly.
Exactly.
So when she went across thestreet, she was talking about
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the two guys that were breakingin her house.
I truly believe she was talkingabout Nathan and his friend,
Jonathan, because they, at thattime, that was who was always
going over and hanging out atCasey's house was Nathan and
Jonathan.
So it makes sense that Caseythought that There were two guys
trying to break into her backdoor.
That's how Nathan entered thehouse.
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Anyway, there was a front doorand then there was, you know,
the side door in the carport.
And that was where everybodyusually went.
So you've got all of this.
And then you fast forward toJuly 5th at 1030 at night.
Nobody's heard from Casey.
We find out that she'sdischarged around eight o'clock
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from the ER and Which they weresupposed to call and have
someone come.
Like, I mean, when you're beingdischarged from the hospital,
like, anytime I've beendischarged from the hospital,
they wheel you out.
They do.
And so, like, they wheeled herout to the curb and just said,
get out and, like, peace.
I mean, there was nobody there.
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They didn't ask her.
No, there was nobody ontelevision, on the closed
circuit television that theyhave.
They showed her walking out ofthe hospital at 8.03 p.m.
and she's on foot.
She goes to this van that'sparked there, talks to the
driver for a second, goesaround, gets in the van.
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She's only in the van for about30 seconds.
She jumps out of the van andthen proceeds walking.
They were able to determine thatthat man was there with another
person.
He had dropped him off, wentinside, was there and left with
that same person.
This was at a gas station,right?
No, this was at the hospital.
Oh, it was at the hospital.
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It was at the hospital, youknow, where cars line up for
discharge patients or for dropoff and stuff.
So when he was coming out, likethis guy was just waiting in
line to get over to the parkingspaces and everything.
He had already let out a female.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
that
SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
went into the ER.
Casey came out, talked to thedriver, and then got in.
And I don't know whattranspired.
Or she maybe thought a shuttleor a taxi or something.
I mean, because this is ahospital.
I thought the same thing.
I thought the same thing thatshe most likely she might have
thought that she had gottenherself an Uber because she went
to that at that time.
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Her car wasn't working.
So she had been using Uber.
The only thing is that shedidn't have her phone with her
at that time.
So she wouldn't have been ableto do that.
So why the hospital didn't callanybody if Debbie had given her
number for somebody to call, youknow, when Casey was being
released or which is what shereported.
Correct.
Right.
That's what she told my mom.
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She said.
She said that she had given hernumber and information to the
EMS driver to keep contact.
Now, why Casey didn't callsomebody from the hospital, I
don't know.
Maybe she did.
I don't know.
They don't have her onsurveillance doing that.
They just have the surveillanceof her leaving the hospital at
8.03 p.m., leaving on foot fromthe ER.
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She goes...
to that van.
Once she gets out of that van,she proceeds walking down the
drive to the ER, going backtowards the main road.
It's like a little bus terminalthere.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
They show her.
She sits down on the benchthere.
This was on a Sunday at thattime.
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None of the buses were running.
They show that she sits thereprobably maybe 20 minutes.
Then she gets up and she walksDown to the main road, she makes
a left, which is West Ferris,and they see her continue
walking until she's out of sightof all of their cameras.
And then from there, we don'tknow what happened to her.
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So my mom texts me around 1030saying, hey, have you heard from
Casey?
She's not at the hospital.
We don't know where she's at.
So the next morning, July 6th,Casey still has not shown up.
She hasn't made any contact withanybody.
I mean, not even her ownparents, not her own kids,
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nothing.
So my mom actually went andfiled a missing persons report
and I started a social mediacampaign.
It was to the point that by thetime my mom had gone to file the
missing persons report, theinvestigator that took the case
had already seen the postcirculating on social media.
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So he was already familiar withthe fact that Casey was gone.
SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
Which was good.
That meant that the posts weregetting out there.
So that was a plus.
UNKNOWN (35:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:30):
Um, so that's reported.
Then, you know, you go to theseventh and still haven't heard
anything.
Now, what was really kind ofstrange is that Nathan sent a
Facebook message to Casey'sex-husband, Greg, stating that
he has no idea where Casey is,doesn't know where she may have
gone.
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Unsolicited, right?
Unsolicited.
Yeah.
And there wasn't like Gregmessaging, like, where is Casey?
Have you heard from Casey oranything?
Nathan sends this message toGreg.
And then what really kind ofstood out is that he made
mention in there that he doesn'tknow if Casey had her phone or
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not.
He doesn't know where Casey'sphone is.
He's looked everywhere for it.
And even went on to say thathe's looked out in the woods and
stuff when he takes Olive, thedog, out to go potty.
Because they were taking care ofCasey's dog at this time too.
On his Facebook page.
Over the next couple of days, hemade several statements saying
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that, you know, he even helpedload Casey into the ambulance
and described that she wasn'twearing any shoes.
He had even made comments about,oh, they saw her just on the
CCTV saying that she was walkingin just socks.
Okay, first of all, they neverdownloaded the surveillance
video.
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like they were supposed to fromthe hospital.
So after seven days, it wasdeleted off of their server.
Nobody saw that video.
So how did Nathan know thatCasey left in just socks and
hospital socks at that?
How did he know that?
His condo is 1.1 mile away fromthe hospital.
And it was in the direction thatCasey was walking.
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Did she ever make it there?
We don't know.
Is that where she was going?
We don't know.
So come to find out four dayslater, when the investigator
says that he's going to try toping Casey's phone, that's when
Nathan finally comes forward andsays, oh, I've got the phone.
I didn't hand it over because Iwas scared of getting in trouble
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because there being pictures onit of me smoking weed.
Okay, first of all, he lied.
He gave false statements to thepolice.
And then, okay, yeah, he toldthe truth, or whatever the hell
that version is, but toldsupposedly the truth.
And it's okay.
And they don't, nothing happens.
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Nothing happens.
They don't even interrogate him.
No.
For that, like, they don't.
He lied to the police.
He gave false information to thepolice.
The investigator told me it'snot a crime to lie.
Well, yes, the hell it is.
In some cases it can be.
Well, then why is it a crime togive false information?
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What's the difference betweenfalse information and lying?
Good question.
I don't know.
I mean, I guess I'm going toneed like a legal reference book
or something because I don'tunderstand.
I don't understand thedifference.
I mean, to my knowledge, theymean the same thing.
You would think.
So nothing happens.
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That ticks me off because, Imean, that kind of stuff is the
thing that gets overlooked.
Like if you watch TV shows, youknow, where they, that kind of
stuff gets overlookedconstantly.
And if people would do their duediligence, do the work, do the
job the correct way, a lot ofthese cases will be solved.
And I understand everybody'sshort-staffed.
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But then, I'm sorry, you'regoing to be slow getting to
whatever it is you got to getto.
You might as well take another,what, however many minutes,
collect something properly orsave something properly or make
sure you have it on, you know,downloaded before you leave if
you're an investigator.
Right.
Right.
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You would think.
Now, one of the things that Iwas glad that we had is that I
had started the Casey Come Homepage so that we could try to
keep this present, circulatethose flyers out to people you
know have friends and familyjoin and have them sharing it
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everywhere too because at thispoint we don't know what
happened and we were going to imean we went to some really
really rotten places we went tosome homeless encampments to
pass out flyers we went toshelters and missions We went
and looked under bridges and Ieven went to a known drug
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dealer's house and knocked onhis door.
I had a pistol with me at thattime, but I just knocked on the
door and I basically, look, I'mnot here about your business.
You know, I know what you do.
Let's just put it like that.
I'm not here to try to mess upyour business.
This is what I'm here for.
Because it was a known placefor, you know, people to go to
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get what they needed.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
So we were going at that point off of any lead that
they had.
Meanwhile, Nathan's sitting overthere with Casey's phone for
four days.
And I'm just, you know, I knowthey can, I know that they can
go back and pull it out, but Imean, it just, it makes me
wonder what he's trying.
Why would he keep it for fourdays?
Okay.
Why, why would he have it forfour days and not a day?
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Right.
Or not three days or not twodays.
You know what I mean?
He was trying to figure out howto wipe it, how to get shit off
of it.
That's what he was trying to do.
He was going through it, makingsure there was nothing that
would incriminate him in anytype of way.
Well, and here's the thing isthat Casey had an iPhone.
Nathan used to work at the Applestore.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
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So that made me very suspect ofhim in the beginning because of
that, because I wanted to knowthe same thing.
Was anything added, removed fromher phone?
Because you can still go inthere and find that history.
OK, well, his his his statementto police, you know, and asked,
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why did you lie?
Was it?
oh, I was scared because therewas pictures on the phone of me
smoking weed.
Did they find the pictures onthe phone of him smoking weed?
No, he had deleted those.
Okay, well then that tells themthe answer.
That's the answer to thequestion.
If he went in and deleted thephotos, you know he went through
messages.
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You know he went through emails.
You know he went throughwhatever.
He probably deleted...
damn brick breaker or somethingif her level was higher than his
you know what I'm saying likesomething dumb like he's just
fucking crazy he is of coursesomebody that has that kind of
background and knows that muchabout iPhones knows that much
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about that product he had it forfour days right I'm sorry.
That's, like, that's hiding.
I mean, I'm sorry, like, missingperson case.
That's evidence in a missingperson's case.
And you're hiding evidence.
You're haltering evidence.
Right.
And nothing happens.
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Nothing.
Nothing has happened at this.
Because, in their opinion, nocrime has happened.
But, like, generally, when thisstuff happens, I know I hear
stories of people just takingoff and never...
But I mean, to me, it's so muchmore realistic that something
nefarious happened than somebodyjust saying, fuck my life and
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grabbing, you know, and justhitting the highway.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and we both know how Caseyis, too.
Like she was she had hercreature comforts.
She did.
And she she's I'm sorry.
She was so incredibly close toher family, her kids, her
parents.
There's just no you.
There's no way.
No.
I don't think that she everwould have just walked away.
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No way possible.
No.
So, one of the other things thatwe did get is that, you know,
like a few days after that, thatneighbor that had recorded
Casey, I had spoke with them andthey told me, you know, a little
bit about what had gone on overthat couple of days and also
sent me those videos of Casey'sdemeanor when she went over just
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in her bra and leggings and thenlater on that day when she went
out of her window.
And, then went by EMS that way.
She felt like somebody was afterher, that she couldn't get out
of her house, and she went outof her room.
Here's the question, though.
Was somebody after her?
Well, the neighbor did confirmthat Nathan was already there
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when his mother pulled up.
So Nathan was at the house.
Nathan was at the house.
When they arrived back from thehospital.
Right.
The first time.
Yes.
So the one thing that I haven'tbeen able to get an answer to.
And the one thing that I wouldlike to know is what was it that
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caused the neighbor toimmediately start recording at
night?
casey's window because that'show the video starts is it's
like like he heard noise runninglike rumbling through the house
or something or screaming orsome kind of disturbance at that
room something and then you seecasey's window opening and her
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going out of it and the videothat's where it starts is casey
opening this window and hercoming out of it so what i want
to know is what was it that theysaw or heard at that point in
time when they're sittingoutside that made them want to
do that.
Yeah.
And another question, likeanother question I have, like,
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okay, so let's say she's in adrug induced psychosis.
Okay.
You know, that window I've seenthe video is not a like low
window.
I would say it's probably what?
Four foot, three and a half,four foot from the ground.
Right.
You know, it's average.
It's like a brick branch kind ofstyle.
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But the windows, I mean, theydon't look that high, but when
you're standing right in frontof them, most of us probably
would come, our head wouldprobably just look into the
window.
So, I mean, that's, and therewas like no, I mean, it was like
a rough break.
Right.
When she hit the ground.
SPEAKER_01 (45:57):
She had already had cracked ribs, too, from where
she fell over her dog.
SPEAKER_00 (46:01):
Right.
like a week prior and hadcracked her ribs falling on the
floor.
Okay.
So then she, on top of that, shefalls out of this window.
Right.
And I mean, you can tell she'sbreath.
She's, I mean, she's layingthere for a good second or two,
you know, but it's almost likeyou can see her coming to and
realizing, oh shit, I got torun.
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And I understand that can besomething, but to me that had to
have been actual fear that madeher get up in pain like that and
run.
Right.
For her to be in that conditionand out of breath, there was
something, whether real or not,at that point in time, caused
her to want to try to run awayor get away.
I mean, she threw a bag out thewindow, too.
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Like, she was ready to leave.
SPEAKER_01 (46:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:46):
And the last picture that was ever taken of her is
her sitting in the driveway withscratches and, you know, blood
on her arms and her lookingterrified.
I can genuinely say I've seenCasey's emotions and that is
terror on her face.
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It looks like just dismay to me.
You know what I mean?
Just complete offendedness.
I hate looking at that picture.
I do too.
It's a very real picture.
When you think about the eventsand things, it's a very eerie
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emotional hard to get picturesfor me it is now another strange
thing that happened is that wehad her news story it was on you
know local media it was you knowstill going on around social
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media we had started gaining afollowing with Casey come home
from friends family and you knowfriends of friends and Then I
get a message is this was onJuly 24th.
So it was only 19 days afterCasey was reported missing.
And I get a message saying thatthere is a utility dumpster on
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Casey's property.
And so when.
I let my mom know, hey,there's...
So you mean like a constructiondumpster?
A construction dumpster.
Not even a small one.
It's like one like they're aboutto do some major...
Renovations.
Right.
So it's one of those big squareutility dumpsters out there.
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And they said that they wereusing it to get all of the trash
out of the house.
Now, Casey, I ain't never beento Casey's house.
And it'd been like...
So much trash.
Casey liked things.
She liked stuff.
She liked a knickknack.
You know what I mean?
Like...
She loved, I mean, she lovedthings.
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She didn't, she had a lot ofstuff, but like she was very
clean.
I just can't see her.
Well, I went back and I evenlooked on Casey's Facebook where
she had pictures of herself andstuff inside the house.
And, um, even when she had movedin and then when she had got new
little things she had posted onFacebook because you know she
was a yard sale queen and shewould post all of her finds and
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everything on Facebook you knowto her page so I had gone back
and I had looked through some ofthose pictures that were more
recent for like April and Mayand even some that were in June
there is no way in that amountof time from that last picture
in June to let's just say July5th when she went missing, that
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there would be that muchaccumulated trash that they
would need a utility dumpster toclean it out.
And why are they cleaning thisout right now?
It's not even a full 30 days.
We don't even know where Caseyis.
It was 19 days.
I mean, that's pitiful.
I mean, that tells me they knowsomething.
Well, that's when my mom decidedto coordinate with them and they
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got everything out of Casey'shouse.
I was actually not allowed togo.
because I had basically toldNathan that if I found out that
he had anything to do withCasey's disappearance and the
fact that he held onto the phonefor those four days and lied
about it, then I was, I wouldhurt him.
And I stand by that.
I stand on business with that.
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And you can take that as athreat or you can take that as a
promise, or you can take that asa damn bank.
I mean, I wasn't allowed ontheir property and I respected
that.
I did not go over there to theproperty when they were moving
Casey's things out of the house.
But at that point, point in timemy mom actually got in Nathan's
face because he was just goingon about something and he reeked
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of alcohol and of course this isa time if you think about it he
comes in he's wearing a COVIDmask and my mom can still smell
alcohol and she got up in hisface and told him the same thing
you better hope you didn't haveanything to do with this I can't
I mean I know that I mean,things happen to people.
For me, I don't see a way thatthey're not involved more than
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they say.
Right.
I mean, this is all justcircumstantial.
And here's the thing that wealso have to understand is it's
not about what we personallybelieve.
It's about what we can prove.
Well, I mean, it's just, like Isaid, I'm deducing.
If I were just reading thisonline, like a book or watching
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it like a true crime documentaryor whatever.
Right.
You start to pick up like, Hey,this is no, maybe not.
Of course I, in the beginning.
Yeah.
All that would have definitely,I would have been an agreement
that he definitely was hidingsomething.
Right.
You know, but his behavior afterthat, And since then has done
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nothing but show that he is,first of all, not wanting to
participate in any of the rescuethings, you know, any of the
handing the flyers out.
No, he didn't do anything.
He lied about it.
Well, yeah, he did do that.
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When I had created a flyer, Iwas emailing it to people who
were printing them out in theirareas.
and going and putting them outat different locations.
And people were going out in theneighborhoods around the
hospital and stuff and passingout flyers to people.
Nathan said that he went outwith his friend, Lisa, and they
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went to go put flyers out.
And I had emailed a copy of thisto Lisa as well.
The email, like the interchangebetween you and him, you said?
sent her?
Yeah, so he told me that he andLisa had gone out and put flyers
out.
Okay.
And because neither he nor Lisahad a car at the time, they went
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as far as they could on footaround the Augusta Road area,
which is one of the other mainroads that leads to West Ferris
that leads to the hospital.
So like I said, Nathan onlylived...
1.1 mile away so that's a primearea to be putting out flyers
except for when i talked to lisato tell her thank you for going
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and putting those flyers out Shetold me, oh, I haven't heard
from Nathan since all of thishappened.
And she said, I wasn't able toget the flyers to print on my
printer for some reason.
So he just boldface lied.
He boldface lied.
Lisa had not.
For no reason.
Like you didn't ask.
You didn't say, hey, did youhand flyers out?
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No.
He said, Lisa and I.
Went and put flyers outtogether.
And we went on foot sinceneither of us have a car.
Bro, he is something else.
Right.
Cool.
So that kind of raised a redflag with me on that too,
because now you've completelylied about even trying to help.
(54:06):
So I ended up.
He did post that weird ass, mybest friend's missing with no
information on it.
Right.
And to contact him.
Right.
Like he didn't even put her lastname.
No, he just put her last name.
But what was.
No, he said like my, my friendCasey is missing.
Oh yeah.
(54:26):
That's what it was in a pictureof her that really didn't even
look like she did when she wentmissing.
And it was only from like hernose up.
Yeah.
It was just like, he didn't, itwas strange.
It was really like reallystrange behavior is what it was.
It was, it was a half ass postand we looked at it too.
And we're like, wait a minute.
What?
But like, but like you said,with the eyes peeking and not,
(54:48):
it's just like a, it was almostlike a, like a suggestion.
Right.
Like, yeah, yeah.
maybe keep an eye out or if youhear anything or whatnot.
Now I will say a couple of yearslater, we did another flyer
distribution and the local boxstation was with us and covered
(55:09):
us going door to door in thatarea, putting out flyers.
And I made sure that they got meputting one on his front door.
And I screenshot that I did.
I posted that on Facebookbecause I thought, you know
what?
You're going to know that wehaven't stopped.
You haven't said anything forall of these years.
You haven't helped.
(55:30):
You haven't checked in on thefamily.
His family has not checked in onour family.
Hasn't said anything.
Nathan does not want to go inand talk to the cops.
He says it's because of hisanxiety.
Well, baby, I got anxiety, too.
But I just be talking all thetime.
Oh, God.
Like, who don't?
Right.
So basically, those are all ofthese things.
(55:52):
And we had...
know a couple other leads idon't want people to think that
we just focused on solely nathanbecause there were a couple of
people that had come forwardthat had leads that they thought
um they had seen casey forexample there was one there was
a a lady that lived in an areanot far from there called five
(56:14):
forks and she could have swornthat she saw casey over in her
subdivision and come to find outit was a girl that actually
looked very similar to caseyit's the hair it was the hair it
was that hairstyle it was andthis girl also had a same petite
(56:35):
build that casey did it's justthat it was another resident
that lived in that subdivisionthat just happened to look like
Casey.
But what that told us rightthere is people were looking,
people were seeing, they weretrying to match these things up.
And if it was something thatlooked like it could be possible
or feasible, they weren'tholding back to bring forward
(56:56):
that information.
So even if it was a dud, it wasstill a lead.
Right.
And that's what, I mean, that's,I mean, obviously the first lead
that came through solvedeverything.
That would be wonderful.
Right.
You know, but, but leads leadanything anybody knows or thinks
they may know.
And, you know, I understand whysome people might fear telling
(57:20):
things, you know, for their ownsafety.
And, you know, I understand thattype of, you know, scenario.
I don't know if I was in asituation where I feared for my
life.
I don't know what I would dountil I was in that situation to
where what I would tell or whatI wouldn't tell, you know?
Right.
UNKNOWN (57:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (57:37):
I'd like to think I would do the right thing because
I've got myself in trouble, youknow, for doing it my whole
life.
I feel like so.
Right.
Well, I mean, I feel like Iwould.
It was to the point that aroundFebruary of March of 2021, Abby
and Dave, my husband, went intoWalmart in the area where Casey
(58:01):
lived.
And when they went in there,there was a lady that was
leaving and And of course, thiswas still times of COVID where
masking up was still going on.
And so this woman had a mask on.
She had on long sleeves and shehad on like yoga pants and the
boots.
And it's exactly like what Caseywould have worn.
(58:23):
And it was to the point thatthey both did a double take and
tried to go right back out thedoor and find out where this
woman went because they wantedto confirm that it was not
Casey.
or confirm if it was, but it wasenough to make them turn around
and go back out the door tofollow this woman.
Right.
(58:44):
The investigator went and pulledup the surveillance.
All they had was sidesurveillance and like top
surveillance where she wasputting money into the machine
at self-checkout.
But at that time, they didn'thave the cameras that was
recording your face.
So all I had to go off of wastrying to look at the hands to
(59:05):
see if I could see any tattoosor see if I could, you know,
debunk it somehow.
It was never confirmed or deniedthat it was Casey.
So that gave us hope right therethat maybe she's still in the
area.
Maybe she did walk away, youknow, maybe something happened.
So then, and later on that year,Of 2021, what we found out is,
(59:31):
no, I'm sorry, of 2020, is laterthat year around October,
November, that rental house thatCasey was living in was
completely renovated.
The one owned by Nathan'sparents that was directly next
door to their own home.
So they own two adjoiningproperties.
Well, the way that it's set upis that the rental property sat
(59:56):
close to the road.
but it shared a driveway.
And when you go past Casey'shouse up the driveway, Nathan's
parents' house sat behind thereon a good piece of land.
Okay.
I got you.
Yeah.
So that's how that was set up.
So you couldn't see Nathan'sparents' house from the road.
You could only see Casey'shouse.
(01:00:16):
Right.
We were actually driving throughthere and we passed it and we
turned around and went past itagain because I couldn't, I
could not believe anything.
that it had been completelyrenovated that way it was it
wasn't even brick anymore it hadlike a whole wooden front porch
(01:00:36):
on it wraparound porcheverything had been painted
white the door was redoneeverything was done and what i
found out is that nathan'sbrother his wife and their new
baby had moved in there but imean and of course if it's their
property you know it is Ifthey're not doing something
grimy by trying to...
(01:00:57):
But I'm saying, I remember thehouse, seeing pictures, and it
was not in bad shape.
It was a nice house.
The finishes weren't very old.
No, not at all.
I would say it had probably beenremodeled within the last...
Eight to ten years, it looked...
Yeah, it was fairly modern.
(01:01:18):
Yeah, like, I mean, it had...
It was a clean slate kind ofthing.
It wasn't like it needed to begutted because it had ugly
features.
It was...
No, it was a perfectly finehouse.
It was cute as could be.
And Casey loved that house.
She decorated it and made it herown as Casey did.
You know, she loved that house.
So it was just really odd thatfrom July to...
(01:01:41):
October, maybe the end ofOctober, early November, that
this house was completelyrenovated, redone.
It's like, as soon as Casey wentmissing, okay, we're going to
clean out this house.
Oh, we're just getting trashout.
But then we're going to turnaround and we're going to
renovate this house and do allof this stuff to it in a matter
of a few months.
So that just kind of threw up ared flag.
(01:02:03):
Yeah, I mean, people can arguethe point maybe that Well, it
was their house, and she wasn'tanswering or responding, and
this is me playing devil'sadvocate.
You know, they couldn't get ahold of her, and, you know, they
wanted their house and herstuff, and that's fine, but,
like, why wouldn't they call oneof y'all and say, look, you
(01:02:25):
know, Casey's missing, and Youknow, we don't really know
what's going on, but we just arekind of out.
We're kind of out.
And when she comes back, wereally are just want to kind of
wash our hands of the situation.
And that would have beenabsolutely cool.
Right.
But they didn't do that.
They didn't do any of that.
They did not keep any of thatcommunication.
(01:02:46):
And like I said, I don't wantpeople to think that we just
focus strictly on Nathan becausethere were people that would
send us pictures.
They would send us, you know,screenshots of things that they
had found.
They would send us cases.
Anytime something came up on thenews, they would send us news
articles about it, about amissing person that was found or
(01:03:08):
remains that had been found.
I mean, they would send usthings constantly.
So everything that we got, weforwarded to the investigator
because we wanted everything tobe looked at.
There was even a girl that hadcome forward and said that she
had gone on a date with a guywho was a doctor over at the ER.
(01:03:30):
He was in pediatric ER, but shemet him on an app.
They went out on a date and hesaid something to the effect of
that he would like to be able tostrangle someone just to watch
the light leaving or lifeleaving their eyes to the point
that she abruptly ended the dateand it skis her out so bad.
(01:03:53):
You're going to get creepozoidsanyway on some of these apps,
but you're not thinking about adoctor who has taken an oath to,
you know, not harm.
Right.
Well, to shitty people, oathdon't mean nothing.
You know what I mean?
Right.
So you got this doctor sayingthat, yeah, you know, and it
would be somebody like ahomeless person or something.
(01:04:15):
Now, here's the thing is thatthis particular one lives near
the hospital and lives near apark that is close to the
hospital.
So we've looked into that, too,to see, you know, has Casey...
come in contact with him at thehospital that night was he off
(01:04:36):
work that night could he haveseen Casey going because this
you think about it it was July4th weekend people were out and
about there was a lot of trafficeven though it was times of
COVID they had started openingup things and people were
masking up and social distancingand things like that but things
were more open so even if itwasn't the traffic that it would
(01:05:00):
normally be downtown on a normal4th of July when there wasn't a
pandemic going on, even half ofthat traffic is still a good bit
of traffic.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So we wanted somebody, anybodythat had any kind of information
to come forward.
So I just wanted to say thatjust to say like Nathan was not
(01:05:23):
our only lead.
This is just something thatmatches up.
We've had, uh, you know, privateinvestigators in on this too.
We've tried every other leadthat we could think of.
So that's just something elsethat we found out.
Then I had somebody that cameforward and said too, that there
is a friend of Nathan's whopassed away from an OD.
(01:05:47):
that he and Nathan used to dodrugs together.
He was actually very artistic.
He did photography.
He had a lot of things goingfrom before him.
He had a bad breakup and then heOD'd by accident.
So we didn't know if maybeNathan had something to do with
(01:06:07):
that because he was always intodrugs and things of that nature.
Could he have been partying withthis guy, you know?
But the sister said that theydid know each other, but she
couldn't confirm if they hadever done anything together.
But I do know for a fact thatCasey and Nathan have done drugs
together.
(01:06:27):
But that was another part in themessage that he put to Greg is
that he didn't know anything.
What she may have been on.
What kind of drugs.
She was hallucinating.
If she was on drugs, he didn'tknow where she would have gotten
them from.
That he doesn't do those kind ofthings.
(01:06:47):
Which was another bold-facedlie.
Because I know for a fact thathe has.
I have seen him high.
I know that he would give thingsto Casey.
There were times where I sawCasey exchange Xanax for weed.
He would give her Xanax.
She would give him weed.
So I know that they did...
The barter and trade system, Iknow that they ran with a lot of
(01:07:09):
the same people, the same crowd,knew a lot of the same bad
stuff.
So that's just when we puteverything together, it just
doesn't add up.
The math ain't mapping.
But we'll go into a little bitmore about what's been done
since and where we are now onour next week's episode.
(01:07:31):
So, best friend, you ready toget on out of here?
Let's get on out of here.
Alright, well tell your mama andthen we'll holler at them next
week.
We'll holler.
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