Toxicity Health and Longevity | Dr. Joe Nieusma | Ep. 273 - The Aging Well Podcast

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Welcome to the Aging Well podcast, where we explore the
science, stories and strategies that support a longer,
healthier, and more purposeful life.
I'm your host, Doctor Jeff Armstrong.
On this episode, we explore the science and myths surrounding
aging, vitality, and the power of toxicology informed health
strategies. My guest is Doctor Joe Nusma,
Senior Toxicologist with Superior Toxicology and

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Wellness, an international scientific consulting firm that
he founded. Doctor Joe has been in
toxicology for 37 years and specializes in human exposure to
drugs, chemicals, biologicals, and other toxins.
Doctor Joe has worked with private clients to help them
eliminate necessary or redundantdrugs from their profile and in
many cases significantly improvethe quality of life through

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Doctor Joe for hope.com. Doctor Joe has worked as an
expert toxicologist for human exposure cases of all sorts.
More recently he has been involved with human health risk
assessment for smoke damaged homes exposed to wildfires,
complex water purification issues and strategies to help
the human body withstand the demands of living in today's
toxic world through oxidative and anti oxidative means.

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From supporting the the bodies detoxification processes to
exploring how emerging tools like carbon 60, telomere science
and intermittent fasting impact the aging process, Doctor Joe
offers a data-driven yet human centered approach to health and
longevity. Whether you're looking to extend
your health span or simply understand how to reduce your
toxic load in a world full of hidden threats, this

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conversation is packed with insight, clarity, and practical
wisdom to Age well Well, Doctor Joe, welcome to the Aging Well
podcast. Let's start by having you tell
us a little bit about yourself. What drew you into the world of
toxicology, and how did that path evolve into your work with
longevity science? Certainly, Jeff, thank you for
having me. First and foremost, I'm

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appreciative to be a guest on your show and hopefully I can
add something of value to your audience today.
How did I get into toxicology? Well, you know, I was in
undergrad way, way back when in biology and chemistry with the
intention of possibly trying outmedical school.
And when I finished undergrad and applied to 8 medical schools

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and two graduate programs. So I got into two graduate
programs. At the time I was working for
Dow Chemical in Midland, MI and I was working around a bunch of
PhDs and a bunch of scientists. And then we were actually doing
registration studies for pesticides and herbicides, real
hardcore chemicals. And those guys were saying, go

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to Graduate School. There's plenty of doctors go to
Graduate School. The world needs more critical
thinkers and PHD's that can can lead the chemical industry into
the next, you know, decades. And so since most folks are a
product of the, the tutelage they get at the time in life and

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they make their decision based on that, they I went to Graduate
School and I went to University of Colorado School of Pharmacy
and got a PhD in in from the toxicology program.
And I never did a postdoc. I didn't do any academic
research. What I did was I applied for one
job and got that job as industrial toxicologist for it

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was Geneva Pharmaceuticals at the time, which turned into
Sando Pharmaceuticals, which wasthe generics arm of Novartis
Pharmaceuticals. And that's one of the big ones.
So I got into pharmaceutical toxicology and really focused on
employee safety. It was my job to keep the

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operators safe and we probably had 90 products under one roof.
So that was a challenge. And I, I really got in with the
employee safety, with the occupational exposure levels and
blocking pathways of exposure. And working in the
Pharmaceutical industry is unique in the fact that the

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chemicals you're handling are designed to have an effect on
the human body. And if operators are providing
pathways of exposure, you see effects even in manufacturing.
And it was early on in my careerthat I realized that drugs
aren't the answer. And I, I was always
entrepreneurial. I always had a side hustle and

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you know, I had my full time job, but there there was always
something else. And the the something else
started to become the health andWellness industry because the
Pharmaceutical industry is not about curing anything, Jeff.
The Pharmaceutical industry is about creating long term and the

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Pharmaceutical industry is also very well adept at taking some
minor condition, creating a lot of buzz about it to turn it into
a disease and then lo and behold, produce the blockbuster
drug that would solve that. And it's all about dividends,
it's all about stockholders, it's all about money.

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It's not about patients, it's not about the people, it's not
about health and well-being. And you see that in the side
effects, you see that in the legal ease that you have to
endure on every drug commercial.You know, the statins, for
instance, you know, it's, it's the end all for lowering
cholesterol. But guess what?
How many people need a new liverafter being on statins?

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They never talk about that except very, very, very, very
quickly at the end of the commercial.
And now the day, now the, the drug of the day is the GLP or
LP-1, the, the obesity drug. And people don't lose that much
weight and the side effects thatthey have to endure are
tremendously debilitating for some people.

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And every time someone takes a drug product, you give it 2
opportunities. The opportunity to do what it's
designed to do and the opportunity for adverse side
effects. And the humans are genetically.
Oh gosh, how do you how do you put this there?
Everybody's different. Everybody's unique.
Nobody's the same except, you know, identical twins, which I

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happen to be married one. But how someone reacts to a drug
product is as unique as the individual.
And that's based on so many factors early in the drug in the
in the drug industry. I realize, yeah, this isn't for
plus the fact it only took me about six years for me to
realize that Doctor Joe and Doctor Joe's mouth were not

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synonymous with corporate America.
Because when corporate America asks employees for their
opinions, they really don't wantthem.
And I guess I was absent that day of Graduate School when they
actually taught everybody that, because when I was asked my
opinion, I provided it. And that put a target on back.
So about six years in, I got outof corporate America and opened

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up my own shop, Superior Toxicology and Wellness.
And it was at that time where I started bringing on clients.
And I still do a lot of the pharmaceutical stuff in employee
safety that I, I have done forever and I do a lot of the,
the end user safety. You know, there's a, there's a,

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the value called an Ade acceptable daily exposure.
And that's basically the amount of drug A that can be found in
drug B before it's a problem forthe person taking drug B Imagine
that. Think about that for a second.
So I've done a lot of that, but I also got into the other
entrepreneurial aspects. And at the time I was running, I

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was actually CEO of a think tank.
You know, we had, we started outwith about 6 employees.
We ballooned up to about 30 and these guys are are they were
just really super, super smart people.
And we hooked up with a New YorkCity venture capital firm who
gave us some capital and told usto.

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We went from 2 projects to sevenprojects and our operation was
responsible for getting all of the intellectual property
protected. So in 3 1/2 years we applied for
35 patents and we were awarded 23.
Not a bad job, but in this thinktank is where I ran into Max and

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Max Champi is really the the mind behind Live longer Labs and
Max champion is the mind behind the real anti aging and like
life optimization products that hopefully we'll talk about and
I'll show you the reason it cameabout was that, you know, there

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was some some people that were, were running around with Johns
Hopkins employees and these these people are the, the upper
wealthiest percentage of the world And and they were always
saying, you know, I can buy anything I need.
I can get anything I need what Ican't get.
And can you help me with making the time I have left more

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joyful, more productive, more healthy?
And if you can't, can you put mein touch with somebody who
could? So then that's where live longer
labs actually was conceptualized.
And it was it the first very first project was because Max's

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mother was beginning to display pre dementia and Max didn't
didn't really want her to undergo that.
So so he dug in, rolled up his sleeves, did some research and
found carbon 60. And really carbon 60 is going to
be the poster child of the anti ageing movement.

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And when Max started his research into carbon 60 there
was a handful a spattering of articles on this substance in
the databases. And what Max did is he
formulated an ultra pure form ofcarbon 60 and suspended it in
olive oil. That was the first product and

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then he took it making sure it didn't kill anybody.
But you know, he asked me about it way early on.
Max has a way of, of just givingme tidbits and saying, am I on
the right track? Is this going to be potentially
toxic? Is this going to be lethal?
Am I going to hurt anybody? Doesn't tell me what he's doing
or why. And and so he gets 100%

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objective toxicological analysisof the ingredients that he sends
my way. And so he took it himself before
he gave it to his mom. But ultimately his mom reversed
all of her early dementia signs and symptoms.
She regained 100% capacity of her nervous system of, of her
mind and she got eight more years of beautiful, wonderful,

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joyous life. So much the fact that Max once
confided in me that her mom cameback so much that she began to
irritate him again. So you know, that's the origin.
And Max is just, he's just a, a simple country boy from, from
Bastrop, TX. And you know, his claim to fame

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was that he'll tell you that he was married to Satan's daughter
and walked away from everything just said you can have it all.
You know, all the cars, all the boats, all the jet skis, all the
house, just all the bank accounts just said the only
thing I need is me and left. And he moved to Colorado.
And actually before he moved to Colorado, he went South and, and

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got in the hurricane cleanup where he knew how to do all
these skills. And so he, he was elevated to
run a division of hurricane cleanup.
So that gave him another new nest egg.
And then he moved to Colorado where he founded the the Live
Longer Labs. And now he he operates out of
Buena Vista, Co, which is reallyup in the mountains, if people

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are familiar with that. And he has, he has now produced
3 oil products because he also always offers avocado and
coconut with the C60 and then two gel caps that are formulated
with black seed oil. And you know, he's each one of
these new products. He sent me the ingredients and
it's like he's like, tell me what you think of this.

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And, and each one has been a complete and smashing success.
And what do I mean by a completeand smashing success?
Well, essentially these productshave allowed live longer labs to
deal in time. You know, time is our most
valuable asset. It is mine.
It's probably yours. It's probably 99% of your

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audience. That's the most valuable asset.
And when you can learn how to say no to things that just eat
up your time, you're, you're much more valuable.
You know, you have what, 1, 1440minutes a day and you got to
decide how to spend those and you get that new 1440 minutes
every day until your time is up.And what can create that your

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time is up? Well, that's the diseases of the
age, you know, And it's, it's just, it's, it's really what's
going on with our bodies. And our bodies are actually
designed to live about 150 years.
And the thing that takes away time from everybody's existence

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and bodies is their lifestyle. It's the environment they live
in. It's the food they eat, the air
they breathe, the water they drink, the sleep they don't get
and the activity they don't get.And life follows a pattern where
you're young and dumb and feel invincible and immortal and you
make poor choices in every aspect of your life.

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And then you wake up in your 40sand 50s and, and you don't
recognize the aging fat guy that's looking back in the
mirror. And so you spend your 50s trying
to get back down to reasonable. You know, that's where I am.
I'm getting back down. I know the principles and it's
work then, you know, because thebody heals when you sleep and

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the body does well when you havea nice diet, which is eat mostly
plants and about half of what you think you need or less.
And water. You know, the get rid of the,
get rid of the, the sugar laden beverages, get rid of the booze,
get rid of the, all of the artificial CNS stimulants.

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You know, my, I have a son who's24 years old and he is going
into a senior year college and he's a hockey player.
And I say his claim to fame is that he is the first newsma in
six generations where you can actually see ABS.
And he gets on my case every single time he sees me drinking
something other than water. Drink water, just water.

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It's all you need is water. You know, it's because it's the
hydration is key. Hydration is, is, is it's one of
the pillars of, of health and Wellness, you know, and the
other ones are activity and a good diet and try to get off a
pharmaceutical product. You know, Max and I have a
really a crusade. I would call it we call it

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Doctor Joe for hope and you can search that online Doctor Joe
for hope. It takes you right to this this
web page where you can fill out a questionnaire and it helps
people that are polypharmacy, you know, like on a lot of drug
products. And I do a complete history and
physical and figure out why you're on which drugs, for how
long, what doses and give you strategies to take back to your

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doctor and actually challenge your doctor as to why you really
need to be on those. So Doctor Joe for hope it's just
one one aspect of taking your own health back.
Taking the first step, you know,you get off of all the drug
products and then you got to yougot to ease back into activity
because humans are not made to sit in front of a computer.
Humans are not made to be sedentary, you know.

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And now back to the podcast. Humans are made to roam.
Humans are made to Grays, and humans are they.
They aren't set up for sitting around all day eating breakfast,
lunch, and dinner. You know that that paradigm came

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across in the industrial revolution, where you were
trying to fit employees into themost efficient way to create
wealth for somebody and wages for others.
Makes sense? Yeah, and you're speaking my
language? Yeah.
All of this stuff is it's stacked against, you know, Joe

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Public staying healthy and living a long and prosperous
life. But like I said before, the the
human body is designed to last about 150 years.
And the beauty of carbon 61 of the very first studies that ever
came out was a rat study. And they fed these rats carbon
60 from the beginning. And they got tired of following

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these rats when their normal lifespan had already been
extended by 90%. And that's huge because they
didn't do anything else. And I'll tell you, carbon 60 is
the planet's best antioxidant. It's about 172 times better than
vitamin C, which is a very good antioxidant.
So this rat study that Max foundgot him to delve into the world

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of formulating that carbon 60 and he created that olive oil
product and he cured his mother's dementia.
Everybody else started saying, Max, what do you got?
His friends and family started taking that and it, it grew like
grassroots wildfire. And then it expanded into the
other oils and the other gel cap.
And it's, it's all based on the antioxidant capacity of the

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carbon 60. And there is one that there was
probably a group of about 6 to 10 individuals that were really
early on in this product that had their telomeres tested.
And for those of you that are going, what's a telomere?
The the way cells divide from one into two, The cellular
machinery makes these spindles with telomeres at the base of

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the spindles. And the spindles are what pull
the chromosomes into two daughter cells and the
telomeres. The length of the telomeres
determines the health of the cells.
The longer the telomere, the longer the the cell is going to
live, the shorter the telomeres,then that's that cell can't
divide that much, very much moreand it goes into being a

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senescent cell, which means it'sgoing to be a drain on resources
and not provide value to the Organism.
Well, they got their telomere length measured and then they
did two or three months, I don'tremember which one.
It was probably two months on carbon 60 and then they got the
same tests and redid them. And the telomere test, people
across the board, everybody thattook that test said you guys

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must have gotten a, a bad batch of tests because we don't
believe these results. You know, they knew they had
been previously measured and this time the telomeres were
longer, they were healthier. All they did was take a couple
months of carbon 6. So what that does is takes your
cells and turns back the clock on the age of that cell.

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And the hard evidence was that telomere test that was across
the board significantly better and everybody that had taken the
C60 product and and then it's. It was it was test like that and
results like that that that Max realized what he stumbled onto.
And nowadays if you Google carbon 60, you'll find all kinds

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of offerings on it. But I have to tell you, it's a
very, very buyer beware market. The things you need to watch out
for are ultra pure carbon 60 useand solvent free processing
because you will find very relevant pieces on carbon 60
that say it's toxic, it will hurt people.

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There are adverse effects. And if you have a product that
is not pure in their side chainshanging off of some of these
carbon molecules, it's those side chains which result in that
toxicity. And if it's processed with
solvents and there's residual solvents in your product, you're
going to experience solvent toxicity at live longer labs.
It's solvent free and they use the ultra pure carbon 60, the

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the best one on the planet. So obviously you get what you
pay for. At livelongerlabs.com you can
learn all about those products, but it's those types of things
that really have gotten in frontof the oxidative stress.
And oxidative stress is the mechanism of probably better

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than 90% of the diseases of the age.
And oxidative stress is something that human body
battles every single. Now you got to admit the human
body is in a mark is a remarkable machine.
It's a remarkable design. It is Absolutely Fabulous in
most ways, means, forms, capacities and talents.

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There is one inefficient when energy is produced in the
mitochondria, which is the organelle in the cells, which
makes all your ATP, which is, you know the scientific word for
energy. When the energy is produced, the
ATP is produced. Mitochondria, the inner membrane
of the mitochondria is a little inefficient and flips out oxygen
radical in the process of makingthat energy.

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And those oxygen radicals are little daggers or darts that fly
out from the mitochondria into the situs, all into the
bloodstream depending upon how long they're out there.
They poke holes and whatever they run into.
The problem with poking holes and whatever they run into, if
you have enough holes poked, thething that is being having those
holes poked in it becomes synonymous with no longer being

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able to live. I like to boil it down.
We're made of billions and billions and billions of cells,
but let's just think about 11 cell.
In every cell there's a bucket of defense mechanism, and each
cell has a lot of them. The human body can take a lot of
abuse before you actually have to stand up and pay.
And that's a good design to and every single cell has this

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bucket of defenses. Things you've probably heard of
are like glutathione, that's theposter check and vitamin C or
other various amino acids that can absorb these oxygen radicals
or the darts. And as these oxygen radicals are
produced every single day and they go out and they usually run

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into one of these defense mechanism molecules and they're
neutralized before damage is done.
But if that bucket gets empty, let's say you haven't gotten
rest or you're dehydrated, or you just got done at the gym and
you haven't had a chance to replenish your body stores yet.
All of these different states can make that bucket of defenses

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be at different levels. Or maybe you're battling a cold
or a virus or a bacteria or something other than normal
living situations. It's a very dynamic situation
and it's the the way that these types of defenses get used up

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varies for each individual person.
When carbon 60s on board, it's like a huge boost to the level
of defenses in that bucket. And the carbon 60, it's it's
actually a spherical shape of 60different carbon molecules and
that picks up hydrogens from thelocal environment of the cell.

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And these oxygen radicals need ahydrogen to neutralize them.
And there's sixty of them on this ball that's around where
these oxygen radicals are being produced.
And it gives up these hydrogens and stops the darts from hitting
anything important, You know, like cellular membranes or
receptors or enzymes or DNA molecules or RNA models.

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All the things that people hear about when they're, they're
listening to someone talk about the technicalities of
biochemistry. And then the carbon 60 will pick
up another hydrogen molecule from the local environment.
So it recharges it and it's a chemical reaction rather than a
biochemical. When glutathione or vitamin C is

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involved in eliminating these oxygen radicals, it's more of a
biochemical reaction where you need cofactors, you need helpers
for that reaction to, to occur. So the, the way I, I mean, it's
very easy analogy to think about.
Think about the biochemical reaction, the glutathione or the
vitamin C to be like your flintlock musket, your black

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powder. You get one shot and then you
got to take time and reload it and get everything back
together. Whereas the carbon 60 is your
assault rifle with the, you know, a large capacity bag.
It's just taken out. That's why it works so much
better. That is carbon 60 and you have
options. You have oils and you have gel

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caps. You know, the gel caps look like
this. You know, that's the black seed
oil comes in a bottle with 150. You're supposed to take 5A day.
So that bottle lasts a month. My 85 year old mother has been
taking C 6-7 years. She's had probably 2 minor cold
from the little old ladies that she bowls with at 85.

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She bowls twice a week. And you know, she, she can fight
those off very, very well. My dad who come August, he,
he'll be dead three years. But my dad was able to live a
lot stronger last few years of his life because of carbon 60 as
well. He ended up dying of
interstitial pulmonary fibrosis and I think there was a genetic

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component to it. But he was a dentist.
He was a dentist in the Navy, soearly in his career he was
exposed to lots of silica in thedental labs and he was on Navy
ships, which are littered with asbestos.
So there was probably some lung damage that got worse overtime
because of his younger days and exposure situations that were

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hard to overcome. And I, you know, when you start
thinking about exposure situations, you know, I have
this radical thing that I think,you know, 90 + 95% of today's
cancer is really toxic. And it's problematic because
your body tries to clear these toxins.

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And if it doesn't have the toolsto clear the toxins, then bad
things happen. It runs through that bucket of
cellular instance. And when cells get unhealthy,
tissues get on. Now tissues get unhealthy,
organs get unhealthy. When organs get unhealthy, the
human body becomes incompatible with life and each individual
cell. If you're taken care of your

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individual cellular health, the rest of that paradigm gets in
line and follows suit. And to age well, to truly age
well, I think you need a 2 prongapproach.
You need to have an oxidative therapy and you need to have an
antioxidant. And the antioxidative therapy is
the carbon 60 that we've been talking about and the

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antioxidative therapy, there's lots of different options.
It could be a hyperbaric oxygen,it could be ozone therapy, it
could be putting hydrogen peroxide in a nebulizer and
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It could be chlorine dioxide. That's the one I like the best.

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Chlorine dioxide, really, Jeff, I think it's a, there is a lot
of history to the molecule. It's been around over 100 years.
It's a water purification and chlorine dioxide is such that
when you remove chlorine from your water purification lines
and you add in chlorine dioxide,you don't get the Tri Halo
methane. So you don't get the
disinfection which are carcinogenic to you.

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So there's no carcinogens in your drinking water when you're
using a better disinfectant, youcan also use the disinfectant,
which is, I have to say this with a caveat.
It is completely and utterly notapproved by the FDA or personal
health and Wellness use, but it's super good.
And the there's a lot of evidence and I don't try to
convince anyone that of that. Anybody that asked me, I'm happy

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to provide a couple references. You know, one of them is a
electronic book all about the molecule.
The first half of which is why it's so good.
Second-half of which is about the personal work of a guy
that's been researched chlorine dioxide for 20 years over in
Europe. His name is Andreas Culper.
And the the reason that it's notapproved and what I really think

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is that A, it works and B, Big Pharma doesn't make.
Money. Yep.
Yeah, exactly it is. You follow the money in it and
you'll learn a lot of things, you know, good, bad and the
ugly. The the oxidative therapy.
But chlorine dioxide actually does.
It doesn't cure anything, but itdoes eliminate very, very
effectively there's not a bacteria or a virus that's on

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this that's not susceptible to chlorine.
And with proper protocols and with proper tutelage and with
proper advice that the chlorine dioxide can be used very, very
properly to a aid and supplementthe health of individual people.
It's used as a water purification agent.

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And this particular 1, you know,I, I do have one and I'm not
allowed to name it. Someone sends me an e-mail would
have a private conversation. The, it was in a 55 and over
community in Florida by the nameof Magnolia Village.
I think it had like 150 houses in it.
And it was the water purification in their own water
plant. And it was in that water plant

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probably one or two years beforethe whole COVID pandemic
happened. And that community didn't have a
single confirmed case of COVID. The entire think about that.
That's just by having this waterpurification in your water plant
at very low level. They kept that virus at Bay.

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Do you remember back in the year2000, Jeff, where some
psychopath mailed anthrax to government buildings in
Washington, DC? Yeah, my wife was in DC at that
time, and that's when about whenshe decided she had to get the
hell out of DC but. That's a good decision.
They cleaned that up with chlorine dye. the United States
military has been carrying chlorine dioxide for decades and

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decades and decades Battle the hemorrhagic fever virus.
That's the famous ones like Ebola virus and Lassa virus and
Marber, the things that make youbleed out of every orifice and
kill you very, very quickly. And the fact of the matter is
the virus is very treatable withthe correct tool, the correct
tools, Chlorine dioxide, you know the one I like that I'm not
allowed to mention. That's what it looks like and I

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can get it. You know, I'm sure that wasn't
up there very long for a reason.But you know, my website is
superior, toxicology.com, and there's a contact sheet on
there. You hit that website, fill out
that contact sheet and ask me what it was.
Give me your phone, I'll have a conversation.
It's not online, you can't get it and it's not available
anyway. If you talk to me, I can.

(32:38):
We'll figure it out. That goes back to the two prong
approach, the oxidative therapy and antioxidative therapy.
So you kill everything that's not supposed to be in your body
and your body is divinely designed to heal when it doesn't
have to spend resources on dailyfirefights.
So you get rid of toxins with the oxidative therapy and then

(33:01):
you supplement your anti oxidative capacity with carbon
60 products. And that gives you the absolute
best chance to stay on this rockfor as long as you really want
to. And then it's other lifestyle
choices. You know, it's like how many
alcoholic drinks do you need? You got to stop on the cigars
and the cigarettes and you got to clean up your diet and you

(33:23):
know, you know, eat half mostly plants and then you gotta start
moving your carcass, you know, and that's really the, the
bottom line for people to age. Well, you know, because you're
getting at so many toxins and, and you know, I talked to so
many people and, and there's people still on this rock today
because they've talked to me. You know, one of them was told

(33:46):
by his oncologist that he had stage 4 lung cancer and to go
get his stuff together. You know, the end is near.
He's gosh, I guess that was about two years ago.
And he's the most evangelical person on the face of the earth.
He'll talk to anybody the, the, the oxidative therapy and he
says, he says, I don't know why I'm still on this rock, but God
has a purpose for his brother isactually a preacher down in

(34:08):
Georgetown, TX. You know, he's lung cancer.
There's another one of those couple bone cancers.
They help themselves. Like I said, chlorine dioxide
doesn't cure anything. All it does is it moves
resource, sinks out of your bodyand then your body does what
it's designed to do. And all we have to do, Jeff, is

(34:30):
learn how to get out of our own way.
And when we can do that, then wecan really deal in time.
We can increase the quality of the time we have left.
We can increase the life in our years.
Because when when people start taking chlorine dioxide or
taking the, the carbon 60, they see immediate effects that for

(34:51):
me, you know, sometimes when youblink and you get those little
floaties in your field of vision, within three days of
taking carbon 60, those were gone for me.
Gone. I think I got more energy.
I think I can get by with five to seven hours of sleep a night
when I'm on C60 and your immune system is charged.

(35:11):
You don't succumb to the seasonal respiratory illnesses
that are such a pain in the buttto battle.
And other people feel like the aches and pains are gone.
And I get some of that too. You know, it's like I was
walking with my wife and dog yesterday and I'm like, God, my
hip is a little sore. I'm like, why is my hip sore?

(35:32):
And I got to thinking all I did was get up and go in and sit at
my desk because I'd come back from six days of travel.
And you know what your desk looks like after six days of
travel, You know, you got Mount Trashmore there to get through.
So I forgot to take my C60 and it took all day long before I,
you know, this ache and pain starts coming back.

(35:52):
Like didn't take my C6. I got people that have worked
out their entire lives, which absolutely swear by the C6.
You know, if they let it run out, they're calling me because
it's like, hey, I need more C60.And you get this, you get the
C60 at live longer labs calm andyou know, there's, there's a
coupon code. It's DRJO E15 doctor Joe 15 and

(36:15):
you can get that on, you know, 1bottle or two bottles or
whatever. But the, the best way to get
that best deal on that is you sign up for a subscription, you
get the three bottles every three months.
You get it for their their best price.
But it's absolutely life changing for some people when
they start this product. And then there's some people

(36:37):
that like, I don't think it's doing anything for me.
And I'm like, OK, so stop. And then when they stop and all
of the aches and pains start creeping back in, that's when
they realize what C60 did for them.
You're either in one camp or theother, but either realize right
away, wow, this is great. This is good stuff.
I'm going to be on this the restof my life.
And or you're like, I'm a pessimist.

(36:59):
I don't think it's doing anything.
And then you stop and then you realize what it's doing.
And Max, the inventor of the product, is now 70 years old.
But you look at him, you would think he's in his 40s and with,
you know, his his ready. His hair has come back, his Gray
hair is gone. His fine lines and wrinkles
around his eyes are non existent.
And he's running full court basketball at noon times against

(37:21):
18 to 22 year olds and beating them.
That's a testimony that goes a long, long way.
And of course, the the website is filled with testimonies and
the website is filled with people's stories about what this
product does for and to each individual.
It's going to be an individual response.
But the pathway is clear with A2pronged approach, the oxidative

(37:42):
therapy and the antioxidative therapy so that you can age
well, so that the aches and pains of getting older are
staved off and more importantly,the diseases of the aged are set
best significant. And you can Google carbon 60,
you can Google chlorine dioxide,and you will instantly get

(38:05):
thousands of references now and the benefits of both molecules.
And you'll also get articles that say this is the worst thing
under the sun. You take this and you could
potentially die. And then you could also find the
article of the uneducated where somebody actually compares the
chlorine dioxide to bleach. Completely different chemistry.

(38:29):
You know, don't jump on that bandwagon because when you
figure out what someone is trying to sell you versus what
is actually there, then you justfeel like an idiot.
Nobody, nobody wants to ever. Bleach is hyper the way chlorine
dioxide is made. If you try to make it yourself,
which is described in the second-half of that e-book I'm
happy to provide you, if you don't get the chemistry right,

(38:52):
you can end up with hypochlorousacid, which is just like
drinking bleach. So are they correct?
Yes. And would it happen to you?
The answer is it depends how good chemistry are you?
Do you want to try to make it yourself or do you or do you
would you rather have the, the product that comes in two little
containers which you add both containers to water, let it

(39:13):
react, it turns bright yellow. And then you use just a little
bit of that solution every single day based on protocols in
a different format, media and such.
It's up to the end of it. You can get online and find all
kinds of real cheap chlorine dioxide products too.
And some people will have the intelligence to figure it out.
A lot of those products are verydifficult to figure out

(39:34):
concentrate And as a toxicologist, you know, I guess
I should say as a toxicologist with 30, 27 years experience in
human exposure to different drugs, chemicals and biologics,
I'm telling you, concentration is key.
The dose makes the poison toxicology mantra.
And if you're not comfortable with chemistry, this isn't the,

(39:56):
this isn't the task to begin your, your life as a chemist.
There's much simpler ways. And and the one that that I
would recommend is incredibly more simply than.
Than trying to make it like Andreas calker suggests in the
backside the back half of the ebook happy to provide anybody
that wants to start going down the rabbit on this on this

(40:17):
journey. I also have a PDF reference
probably over 100 pages long just links it's links to more
research on chlorine dioxide. You know why it's good, how it's
good, why it reacts, which aminoacid Isis.
And it's just, it's, it's reallywell beyond the scope of a
podcast. It's just it's, but there's some
people out there that that have to read everything under the sun

(40:40):
before they're going to take that next step to help
themselves in the health and Wellness capacity.
And it's, it's just that's the way people is.
It's human nature and it's, it'savailable for those people that
need to take that path for thosepeople that want to go down that
way. But it's on page 47 of the
e-book. Is it of all types of different

(41:01):
human diseases that have gotten better?
When there's an oxidant and you can't make any claims, it's not
approved by the FDA. You can't say that that's
actually chlorine dioxide cures nothing.
All it does is get. And when you get rid of the
toxins, your body does what it'sdesigned to deal to do, which is
heal. That's the key, because it helps

(41:21):
you get out of your own way. So what are those toxins and
your experience? What are some of the most
overlooked and underestimated sources of toxicity in our
modern lifestyles? That's another podcast, but it's
processed food ingredients. It's the things you're hearing
about on TV these days, these synthetic dyes that make
everything bright coloured. It's disinfection byproducts

(41:44):
from water. You know, it's your chlorine,
which combines with organics, creates these disinfection
byproducts, which changes your cellular biochemistry.
It's air pollutants, you know, it's the what you find in Urban
Air and rural air isn't, isn't really they have some of their
own toxin. It's stuff that comes out of

(42:05):
auto automobiles and trucks and diesel exhaust.
And it's stuff that is off gassed from water plants and
it's stuff that is in the environment from construction
materials. You know, the, the off gassing
of formaldehyde from all of yourplastics and vinyls and

(42:26):
compressed woods and, and synthetic surfaces that are non
natural. And you know, it's, I've
actually just recently gotten into and I'm writing a paper on
it. I'm actually going to submit the
paper in the next couple weeks of, of what to do in a house
that's smoked out, that doesn't burn down.

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And it's a very, very toxic environment because when you
burn construction materials, thechlorine is rearranged into
dioxins and fewer and, and thosedachshunds and fewer ends are,
are part of the particulates, the ash and the char from these
fires. And they settle out of the air

(43:10):
in the breathing zones and get into high traffic areas and they
don't go away. The only way to remediate
dioxins is to remove them from the site and finish the
incineration process at very, very high temperatures.
So if anybody really wants to know what dachshunds are, you
can Google Love Canal, New York.That was a whole community that
was grossly contaminated with dachshunds.

(43:31):
But these dachshunds are also formulated in house fires and
wildfires and town fires. And I'm writing that paper
because the insurance industry isn't familiar with it.
The insurance industry will hirea restoration company that comes
in and sponges up all the ash, soot and chars and tells some
family with young kids it's going to be all over the floors.

(43:52):
Oh, it's a safe place to live. And what they miss is that
dioxins are the most, and they have all kinds of effects, Acute
effects, they have chronic effects, they have reproductive
effects, reproductive effects that could skip generations,
which means, you know, you have a house fire, you move back into
your fire, your kids are exposedto it.
It's not them that are affected,but it's the grandkids or the

(44:13):
grandkids. And so that's an environmental
toxin, which you never know you're getting it getting
exposed to. And so it can be environmental
toxins, your adhesives. I mean, every time you pump gas,
you're getting exposed to it andall of these things, whether it
comes from the air, whether it comes from the water, whether it
comes from processed foods, any of that kind of stuff.
Every single one of those thingshits that bucket of cellular

(44:36):
defenses. And as long as there's something
in that bucket, the body will take that hit and keep on moving
forward. If that bucket is empty or near
empty or completely used up, that's when bad things happen.
And how do you keep the bucket recharged?
Rest, hydration, proper diet activity, possibly through
supplements. You know, the supplements is the

(44:58):
last thing. And if you're not doing the
other four with impunity, you better get the supplements on
board to humans live in a soup of toxic explode.
Another podcast, but let's just mentioned one thing 5G phone
technology you're living in a microwave oven, but all it's
doing is creating oxidative stress and inflammation

(45:20):
oxidative stress leads to inflammation.
Inflammation leads to all kinds of bad stuff if it's not
checked. And that's the bottom line is if
you can, if you could create theenvironment where you're doing
better. I mean, you don't have to do
stellarly. Any small baby steps pushes the
pendulum back in the other directions towards hell.

(45:41):
And as you learn to be more healthy, it allows you the
energy, the time to focus and the desire to take the next
step. You know, maybe the first thing
you do is you try to dump soda. Just go for water, go for water,
go for water, go for water. Drink a little bit more coffee,
you drink a little bit more tea,you know, have an iced tea
instead of that sugar water. One step at a time and then

(46:03):
increase your activity. You know, I mean, I tell a lot
of people you get up from your desk, let's say 8 times a day.
Just think about the difference it would make if when you get up
from your desk, you sit down andget up and sit down and get up
20 times before you walk off to do your task.
You do that five times a day. You're getting 100 squats, 100
body weight squats and it's not exercise, it's not going to the

(46:28):
gym, it's just doing a little bit more and you know, I mean
it. And then stretching and doing
push ups on the side of the wallor on the bathroom counter.
Just do what you can do to start.
If you can do that every day fora week, you're going to be
amazed at the immediate process or progress that you see.

(46:49):
And it's just it's little life changes which help you to age
well. And it's just it's you got to do
it, you know, write it down, make it a goal.
Make a little list, you know, onyour To Do List.
Yes, answer these emails. OK, do 80 squats.
Yes, you know, not 80 all at once.
Do 10. If you can do 5, do 5.
Just do it every time you get up.
It will make a difference. I guarantee it.

(47:10):
It will make a difference. And there is one you started
making me think of. Go ahead, start making.
Let me think of the old Bobby Bear song, food Blues.
I don't know if you know who Bobby Bear is, old country
singer from the 60s and 70s, buthe is old song.
I'll play it to my classes when we talk about carcinogens
because he goes through, you know, asking the waiter, you
know, what's good? And the waiter starts going
through, well, don't do, don't eat this, don't eat that.

(47:32):
There's, you know, die deadly dead dies deadly red dies in
that. There's, you know, carcinogenics
in this. And he said, you know, I got up
and I walked out of that place and said it's been 3 months now.
I'm doing fine because he didn'tmention beer, whiskey, women and
sweet red wine. But you're totally right about,
you know, baby steps is what we preach here.

(47:53):
He's like, just make those smallchanges.
You have to. You have to.
And I interrupted you so you could continue.
No, no, no, you go right ahead. I'd love to be interrupted
because when you have a questionthat's right then and there.
You know, every time I'm doing atalk in front of any audience, I
say, if you have a question anytime, raise your hand, you
know, interrupt me because it's,it's the most important thing in
your mind. And it's not about me, it's

(48:14):
about you guys. And you know, if you have
questions that you send back to Jeff, Jeff can send them to me.
I'm happy to answer that. I wanted to tell you about one
more product that that live longer labs has been working on
for three years and it's it's called a no Tropic.
And really a no Tropic can also be called a smart product.
And what it is, it's it's a specially designed ketone and

(48:39):
ketones, if you don't know, are brain food OK?
The rest of the body operates onglucose.
The brain needs ketones. And this product Max has aptly
named Einstein E equals MC Squared and he's calling it
Einstein equals mental clarity squared.

(49:00):
And what it is, it's they they've created and patented.
You know, it's, it's a, it's a molecularly altered ketone.
I'm going to read this just so Iget it right.
That stimulates the dormant areas in your brain and the
brain test. The EEG tests have shown
increased neuron firing in the brain by 500 times and Max has

(49:23):
experienced it. He called it amazing.
He describes it as heightening your brain function and
increased blood flow and activity way above the normal
capacity. And as the host of the show,
Jeff, when that product is available, he promises to send
you some so you can try. The key ingredient is beta
hydroxybutyrate. And what we have determined is

(49:46):
that whereas 360 scavenges thosereactive oxygen species that
come out of the mitochondria as part of energy production, the
beta hydroxybutyrate is right there on the inner membrane and
they grab that electron and shuttle it back into the
cellular respiration machinery before it can get out of the

(50:07):
mitochondria. So it is completely preventative
of that oxidative stress and related, this is huge
breakthrough in antioxidant there.
And this is guarantee you in five years time, there's going
to probably be 500 of these different types of products on.

(50:28):
There's going to be issues with it because it's going to be a
buyer beware. Mark.
The key and the whole thing is you formulate it with C60, which
Max has found a way to make it water.
So you didn't even share that with me, but you're getting C60
and you're getting the beta hydroxybutyrate.
You're stopping the oxidative damage before it has a chance to

(50:51):
get out of the mitochondrial membrane and you're increasing
the efficiency of the body's energy product.
Think about that. Think about the potential
ramifications of that increase energy, decreased deleterious
side effects of cellular respiration, which is behind 90%
of the advancement of the diseases of the ages, and
increase brain function, mental clarity.

(51:13):
Just think about all of the nagging senior moments that
people endure nowadays, that if there could be something that
helps even a fraction of those, how good would this be?
That's the leading edge of what live longer labs is where I find
that to be tremendous rewarding high end potential.
I had a chance to try the first prototypical product of that and

(51:38):
I I felt a lot of the same descriptors that he was saying
heightened brain function. It feels like you're thinking
about things in ways that you haven't ever even imagine
possible. And then the antioxidative
effects of this drug product is you don't you don't feel that,
but you get that. And I think that's the most

(52:00):
important work that's going on at live longer labs right now
with the future of anti aging and it's it's almost ready
otherwise. Is so it targets brain health,
but it seems like it would also have a benefit for like muscular
mitochondria. Would that be the case as well?
Yes, every cell that has a mitochondria, which is all of

(52:21):
them except for red blood. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
You, you see the forest through the trees, my friend.
Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's they're
doing wonderful things that livelonger.
Labs live longer. La-bs.com is definitely a
website that you'd want to go and, and troll through and, and
see what kind of gyms and, and tidbits you can pick up.

(52:41):
And you know, like I said, my website superior toxicology calm
and you won't find anything about chlorine dioxide on that
website if you fill out the contact form.
Happy to send you those publications that I've mentioned
and happy to have a discussion with you.
And I talked to everybody beforeI decide that I'm going to tell

(53:02):
them how to get that chlorine dioxide.
It's, I see it as a very benefitto mankind, a gift from God.
Call it whatever you want, but it's not approved by the FDA and
it only takes one person with nefarious intent and the whole
ball game comes to an end. And I don't want that to.
Happen and we'll have links to all that in the description
notes. Everybody can kind of click onto

(53:22):
those and connect with you. You're very deeply invested in
evidence based alternatives as you've been talking about.
How do you distinguish between true innovation and health hype
when it comes to today's supplement market?
Well, my training is a PhD toxicologist and learning good
science from bad science provides the foundation because

(53:45):
I can spot bad science 10 miles out and unfortunately in
different realms. Any publication is, you know,
fodder for use. I do a lot of expert testimony
for attorneys, and I can't tell you the number of times where
other experts are destroyed because they employ bedside.

(54:07):
And if you're able to discern the people that are doing good
work from the people that are clearly drawing the conclusion
they want from the data they see, that serves you well when
you're going to pick out the things that are real versus the
things that are simply hype. My claim to fame and my 15

(54:29):
minutes of fame is a brief quotein the New York Times back from
when I was working at Eastern Michigan University.
I did research for a supplement company testing out their
product and they were ultimatelysued.
There was two different major cases.
The first one my testimony was squashed, I didn't have to be
deposed. The second one I spent every how

(54:50):
many hours in being deposed for this particular case and company
ended up losing the case and in the process it was identified
that I think there was 7 different studies that were done
on the product. The only study that was shown
not to be either fabricated dataor the study was designed

(55:11):
specifically to find favorable results was our study.
And they wanted us to change a couple of abstracts that I had
submitted to the American College of Sports Medicine.
And right. And yeah, I said I won't do it.
And what they wanted me to do was they wanted me to report
that there was like a 750 some odd greater increase in fat loss

(55:34):
in the supplement group comparedto the placebo group.
And it's like, well, that's true.
That's fantastic, yeah. 750% of next to nothing is still next to
nothing. Yeah.
And I refused to do it. And they were threatening me
with a loss. And I said bring it on, I won't
be intimidated. And that was my quote in The New
York Times. But, you know, it is buyer

(55:54):
beware. And it's really, really tough
for, you know, our listeners. And we, we really encourage them
to become much more, you know, science literate, literate and
learn how to read the literature.
Yeah. A lot of people with that
because of the it's the expert witness in me.
You only exist in that arena. As long as you don't say
something stupid. As soon as you say something

(56:15):
stupid, every other job you get past that.
You're explaining why you said that's stupid, something that
you said on a different case. And it's just, it's just the
lawyers are smart. They know the science as well as
the scientists. And it's, it's big business,
like, I mean, like you learned. And it's just bad science gives
the good scientists a bad name. And you got to know how to find

(56:37):
it. Because if you, if you make a
mistake and you base something on, on unsound science, it's
gonna, it's gonna be heartbreak to, to back out.
And, and you just gotta, you gotta know, you got to be sure
of your steps, especially when you're walking in a minefield.
You know, you don't, you don't get very many second chances.

(56:57):
Does that make sense? Now, well, we could probably
keep going on and on and on about all the signs.
I have probably a whole list of questions I didn't ask you yet,
but I don't want to keep you here forever because I know you
have a, you know, bunch of livesto save with these products and
developing and everything else. So but I can't let you take, we
can have you back, especially when the new product comes out.

(57:18):
We'll definitely have you back on here to talk a little bit
more about that. And you know, maybe once I get
to try some of these things, I can, you know, we can have a
little bit more discussion on myresults.
Maybe it'll grow hair back on myhead.
I don't know our listeners, theydon't know that I'm bald.
But those that are watching the videos, now that we've been on
video and YouTube, it's like, how can that guy be an aging low
specialist? It's Max's hair, so you never

(57:41):
know. I mean, it's just one of those
miracle things. If it grows hair, man, that's a
billion dollar product. So, but I got to ask her the
question we ask of all of our guests and you've alluded to
some of it already, but we've got to go beyond just the
products. What are you doing personally to
age well? I am trying to shed a bunch of
extra weight that I've carried for way too long when I was the

(58:01):
when I was the CEO of that thinktank, I probably packed on 25
lbs that I have been trying to lose and haven't been able to.
And I think it was all stress hormone cortisol based.
And it's a different story and it's for a different time
because it's the origin of my phrase of that's why you get to
pick your friends, your issued, your family and I had family

(58:23):
working for me. And otherwise what I'm doing is
I'm making sure I try to get enough activity and I my
exercise of choice is swimming. So I try to put at least a mile
in the pool several times a week.
And you know the phrase, if yourdog is fat than you probably are
too. We try to walk the dog on a

(58:43):
regular basis. And as my son is hounding me,
it's time to get back down in the weight room and do some
resistance training. And every time I do that, I re
injure my right shoulder, which has got a lot of miles from
overhand sports. I've also decreased what I eat.
You know, I eat half or less andmostly plants.
And I think that is making the biggest difference along with

(59:07):
water, water, water, water and less garbage.
It's a daily battle because whenyou travel, your routine
changes. If you don't plan for it, you
fall back into bad habits and you don't get any sleep, you're
working the long hours the. And it's just, it's what's
available to you when you're when you're looking for
something because you haven't eaten on a regular basis.

(59:29):
And it's just, it's tough. And when you fail, you got to
pick yourself back up, get rightback on the program and take
those baby steps again because behavior modification.
It's not for the faint of heart and not everybody's going to be
successful at it. And there is no magic cure for
taken 57 years to get way too heavy and then think that some

(59:52):
concoction mixture pill injection is going to turn you
back into your sleek teenage year's body.
It's not going to happen. It's all about what you shove
down the hole in the middle of your face and how much you move
what you've amassed over the years.
And you got to start anew. Every single.
I love that and we we really stress against this term

(01:00:15):
biohack, which I really hate that term, you know, always
biohack and everybody thinks that they can just take a pill
or do something that is going tohave just immediate effects and
they're going to lose weight, they're going to be healthy,
they don't have to exercise. And it's the baby steps.
It's, you know, eliminating the toxics that we can, you know,
putting up the barriers that aregoing to help to give us the

(01:00:37):
self defenses and, you know, just getting off our asses and
moving and eating right and doing all that we can to live
well. That's exactly.
And so and stress is huge too. So it's, you know, if you find a
way to manage your stress, that's, you know, without, you
know, doing anything illegal. And even when you're trying to
do everything right, I'm findingfor myself that trying to manage

(01:00:58):
my cortisol levels is the hardest thing.
And for me a lot of it has been sleep.
And it took me a year to get a, you know, like my doctor to kind
of set up for me to get the sleep test and then get the
sleep test done, get the results, and then finally got
CPAP. And, you know, I've been on CPAP
for about 3 weeks now, maybe a month.

(01:01:21):
And it's worsening my sleep. And so it's like, yeah, I mean,
I'm getting, you know, when I monitor my sleep, my scores are
so much worse. And it's like, is this worsening
my cortisol scores? I I need to find out.
It could very well because I mean, yeah, so.
I is a function of so many, so much of your Physiology, it's
not even funny. Oh.
Yeah, and we completely ignore it.

(01:01:42):
Yeah, and we should. As older guys, we'll start
taking, you know, hormone replacement therapy and all that
kind of crap, but it's like, youknow, unless you're getting your
cortisol in line, it ain't doingshit right.
Yeah. So they call that the straight
on FRU effect. Yeah.
That's why when someone starts taking a pack of multivitamins
and their pee turns green, it's like, hey, well guess what?

(01:02:03):
It's just going straight on FRU.All you're doing is wasting your
money. Right, so you've, you've already
given a bunch of these websites and links, but I want to kind of
collect them together here. So where can the listeners and
the viewers connect with you, learn more about Lib Long Labs
and get the information that you've been talking about?
And we'll, and again, we'll haveall this in the description

(01:02:23):
notes, but just to kind of pull it all together in one little
statement. There is 2 websites to get a
hold of me, Superior toxicology.com or Doctor Joe for
hope #4. Doctor Joe for hope.com and you
can get me either one of those is links back to the same place.
To learn about live longer labs you just go to
livelongerla-bs.com. Pretty simple.

(01:02:44):
Yeah, really simple. And don't forget about the
coupon code if you're only goingto buy 1 bottle.
Doctor Joe, 15, ERJO, E15. And then finally, if somebody is
listening wants to start aging better today, what's 1 simple
powerful step that you would recommend the very it's going to
be 60. Well, actually, no.

(01:03:05):
I mean, the very first thing, the first step where somebody is
is when they find themselves in the beginning is you got to
decrease your toxicity load. And you can do that with the
best first step is hydration. Drink enough water that is
really #1. That's simple.
We can do that. You would think.

(01:03:26):
We hope. Yeah.
Well, but there's water in my pop, my soda, right?
I can't just do that. There's water in my beer.
Isn't that good hydration? Because both of those are
diuretics, by the way. That means it makes him pee a
lot. Yeah, and it's 62.
I don't need any help peeing. Exactly.
Frequent at least. No.

(01:03:47):
Exactly. Was there anything we missed
today? I know, I know.
There's a lot more we can talk about, but again, I don't want
to. There's lots of keep you here
too long. We'll bring it back.
We talked, we talked to, we, we lopped the peaks off the
mountains, Jeff. And it's just each one of these,
these subjects you can drill down into it for at least 1/2
hour to an hour. So it's, I mean, if you get a
whole mess of questions from your, from your listeners that

(01:04:10):
want to know, they want to go ona deeper dive in any of this,
I'm happy to come back and do that.
But it's, it's comes down to just the, the simple steps that
you can do. Don't try to change your life.
Don't try to change multiple thing.
Change one thing, change one thing, get that down and then
change something else. You know, this, this whole idea

(01:04:30):
that you can multitask, it's crap.
You can only do one thing well at a time.
And it's just, it's, you got to start working on one thing and
that'll start making a little bit of a change.
And then when you see that minimal improvement, that's when
you add the next one thing, you know.
Try to keep it simple. Just keep stacking.
I appreciate your time today andI will.

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