Danielle and Maggie pick up the previous episode’s conversation around comfort vs. distraction/numbing. Maggie says there’s a great temptation to “get out of our bodies” because this season is so long, so uncertain, there’s anxiety and fear; it’s seemingly unbearable.
Things that bring us comfort are things that will invite us into our bodies. Distraction and numbing are ways to dissociate and escape reality; they make us no longer present.
Danielle gets a general feeling or sense after a conversation, then allows herself to give it words. She has been collecting candles, lighting them and purposefully pausing to watch the flame waver. Tiny things that bring her comfort. She’s also been more aware of the Sunday iPhone usage data -- she sees that and it motivates her to limit the number of hours she spends on social media. She tells herself, don’t hop on, what do you want to do? Lay down, push shoulders back.
Maggie agrees, that iPhone usage notification on Sundays is so convicting! She thinks it is probably time for her to reinstate good boundaries regarding phone usage, especially on weekends. Maggie also has been using candles, when she lights them she recites “I have set the Lord before me always, because He is with me I will not be shaken” (from Psalm 16:8) and is reminded how many times in scripture God’s presence is symbolized with fire. God is with me, whether I am aware of his presence or not.”
Another practice Maggie is doing is good body-kindness care, specifically baths. Trying to invite herself into that space by bringing her book in there with her and told herself to at least read an entire chapter before getting out. Because she created this space, she came out more refreshed, more willing to engage, less stressed or hurried. “I need to slow down enough to where I am inviting myself to stay.” It’s not perfect but the practices are good and we should do them, but there is no reason to berate ourselves if we don’t do them frequently, or long enough or “the right way.” It is a mindful assessment of our heart, mind and body. There need be no self imposed restrictions on that space.
Danielle says even just listening to Maggie brings her comfort knowing that she too is working on staying present. Danielle says there is something about just picking up the phone and calling someone to chat; the voice to voice contact connects us to our humanness and she feels the longing for another person.
Maggie acknowledges there seems to have been a cultural or social shift that says texting is an okay place to have meaningful, important conversations. We can miss someone over text.
Danielle asks about Maggie’s crazy cat -- Like many others, she adopted a pet during covid. This particular cat is feral and was found under Danielle’s house. Kids named him Cosmo and he’s a legitimate ankle biter, waiting in the hallways to pounce on people’s feet.
Danielle says it’s comforting to know we can still laugh together.
In general, Maggie says there is a push and pull around traditions this holiday season because many of the normal traditions she and her family do can not be done this year due to restrictions on gathering. It is forcing her to evaluate them and to add more meaningful ones for this year. For instance for Advent this year she really wanted to do something with her entire family rather than participate in an advent scripture reading plan or devotional that she would in previous years on her own. Her sister-in-law recommended Advent conversation cards with the kids, and it’s been a beautiful new tradition for her family that has provided an avenue for deeper, more meaningful conversations at dinner.
As far as end of the year traditions, Maggie usually assesses / looks back on the previous year and sets goals for the coming new year. She has historically used Jennie Allen’s Dream Guide / Inventory which is a look at four categories of life: spiritual, work, re
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