August 7, 2025 • 60 mins
What if the nagging feeling that you're meant for more isn't anxiety—but your soul crying out for alignment?
Jared Sebesta had it all by conventional standards: a 12-year career as a successful TV weatherman, followed by an impressive role in the financial industry. Yet despite the external validation, he found himself pacing his house at night, unable to articulate the profound disconnection he felt. It wasn't about money or status—it was about alignment.
In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Jared shares the pivotal moment when he declared "I'm done playing defense" and how that simple shift transformed everything. With remarkable candor, he reveals the counterintuitive actions he took after leaving his career—writing four and five-figure checks for coaching and development when most would've retreated into saving mode. "Those seeds don't come to fruition right away," he explains. "That's where most people don't take it to the next level, because fear overcomes them before the fruit gets harvested."
We explore the profound mindset shifts that enabled Jared's transformation, particularly moving from scarcity to abundance. His daily affirmation "I lack nothing" helped him navigate not only his career transition but also profound personal losses, including the deaths of his mother and brother within three months. Rather than seeing these challenges as setbacks, Jared views them as divinely orchestrated opportunities for breakthrough.
For anyone feeling stuck in a "life deferred" pattern always waiting for someday—this episode offers both compassionate understanding and a practical roadmap forward. As Jared powerfully states, "The truth is, you have no lack. There is infinite pie for everybody." The question isn't whether you have what it takes, but whether you have the audacity to step into alignment now.
Ready to stop waiting and start becoming? This conversation might be the permission slip you've been waiting for. Stop waiting for someday and start making bold, purpose-driven moves... Today.
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This is how we rise — one choice, one voice, one brave breath at a time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Rise With Anita podcast, the space
where soul meets strategy anddreams are no longer optional.
I'm your host, anitaKurdayan-Gurgis, a
transformational mindset coachand founder of the HER Method.
This show is for the woman whoknows she's meant for more, who
feels the call to rise higherbut sometimes feels trapped by
her old stories, patterns orcircumstances.
(00:22):
Here we don't just talk aboutgrowth, we embody it.
We activate the woman inside ofyou who leads, who creates, who
claims her next level.
You'll hear a mix of soulepisodes from me and interviews
with soul-driven leaders, thebest in their fields, who live
what they teach and rise byexample.
Each conversation is a catalystfor your next breakthrough.
You're not broken.
(00:43):
You're breaking through.
Let's go ahead and risetogether.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
All right, welcome back to the Rise of the Needed
podcast.
Today, I have a very specialtreat with me.
We have Jeris Mestep, who is akeynote speaker, bestselling
author and founder of the likeUndeferred brand, a
transformational platform thatempowers high achievers to stop
waiting for Sunday and startmaking bold, purpose-driven
moves.
For over a decade, jaredthrived as a public
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meteorologist.
Behind the camera, he feltdisconnected, successful by the
world's standards, yetunfulfilled on a soul level.
So he took the courageous leap,leaving his career with no
backup plan, and started tochoose alignment over applause.
That decision became thefoundation for a life undeferred
and the catalyst for helpingothers step into their next
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level life For clarity, courageand conviction.
I had the honor of meeting Jaredand witnessing him in action
last month in New York City atthe CLS Experience, and I knew
his message was one I needed tohear.
So when we first connected overthere, I realized we had
something deeply personal, whichwas the fact that we were both
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raised by single moms, anidentity that has shaped our
emotional impact, basicallymaking us practical
psychologists from a very youngage, growing and how we lead.
So Jared is now the host of theBreakthroughs Effect, a
passionate voice for fearlessleading and, most importantly, a
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loving husband and devotedfather.
His mission is bold and deeplyhuman helping others live their
life.
They know they're meant toWelcome.
Jared, I'm so honored to haveyou on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Honored myself.
Thanks for the introduction.
Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So, before we dive in , I always start off with what
is bringing you joy in thismoment.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
What's bringing me joy?
Well, for those of you watchingthis, it's actually summer here
in Minnesota, so I'm coming toyou, live from rural Minnesota,
where the weather is not greatabout nine months out of the
year, and so we're in that slimwindow of time where the
weather's nice.
I'm a fair weather guy and soI'm excited about that, and 2025
has been an incredible year.
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Family's, healthy, I have someincredible things happening, but
also some very, very difficultthings happening at the same
time, and I think that that'swhat makes life so rich.
So, besides that and thebeautiful weather, I got a lot
of things I'm excited for today.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Beautiful.
So let's just dive right in.
You've not only left one reallyextensive career, but two.
So what was the internal shiftthat led you to walk away from
two successful careers withinthe TV and financial industry?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, great question.
If I have to articulate it, Iprobably wouldn't have been able
to articulate it at the time,especially my TV career.
By the way, I worked intelevision.
I was a TV weatherman.
I don't know how many TVweathermen you have on this show
typically, but I was a TVweatherman for 12 years, worked
in three markets, climbed theladder, was able to make a very
successful stab at it for 12years.
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But as my TV career grew I feltlike it was taking me away from
the things I really wanted.
I had been married for, youknow, a couple of years.
At the time.
We had a couple of kids andgrowing family and my wife and I
are small town Minnesota kidsand to have a to keep climbing
the ranks in TV it's, you know,you're going to live in a big
city and there are no, there'sno normal schedule in TV.
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It's either like death, morning, overnights, late evenings,
weekends, holidays or all theabove.
And in my heart of hearts I wasa business owner, I'm an
entrepreneur and we don't likebeing tied down, and so TV kind
of ran the show.
It treated me very well.
It gave me a plethora ofamazing opportunities.
(04:41):
I love that I can say that Iwas a TV weatherman, but it
really wasn't fitting where Ifelt I was being taken and where
I wanted to go, what I wantedto do with my life.
I transitioned into thefinancial world.
Same thing, great job.
Applied my skills, I was ableto do business development,
utilize my media background tohelp grow, at the time, a fairly
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small retirement planning firminto a very large one.
And but then, you know, comingout of COVID probably a midlife
crisis a little bit, you know,being stuck in old mindsets for
decades.
What's that?
Oh wait, that's exactly right,something does happen when you
get into your forties.
You know, certainly there's,there's something that happens
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in your soul.
And so you had kind of theperfect storm of like, no, it is
time for me to step into who Iam Now.
I didn't say that at the timewhen I kind of planted my
flagpole in the sand, but I knewsomething had to shift.
And as I started to radicallypursue that, the alignment, or I
should say the disalignment,between where I was morphing
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into and my job which, by theway, it was a great job it
treated me very well Again, nodisrespect to either of my
employers and either of mycareers.
But it was pretty much righthere, like it was steadfast and
I was growing and expanding andas time went up, there was the
separation, and so walking awayfrom my second career was much
more.
I was much more driven, I wasmuch more focused.
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This wasn't me stepping awayfrom a career, it was stepping
into who I am, and so I use thisword, alignment, a lot.
I was disaligned.
To answer your question plain,it was because of disalignment,
and so I love that word, becausenow I feel like what I am doing
and who I'm becoming is nowaligned and it's so fun and
scary and amazing and scares thecrap out of you and it's all of
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it.
But this is the game that I'vechosen.
And so what am I going to do?
Go back?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Right.
And again, that's not that's nodisrespect to my employer, but
once you've tasted a taste ofwho you are and what comes of
that.
And again, it's not just aboutmoney, but the truth is that I'm
making more money than I wasmaking in any of my careers
easily, and so that's coming asa result of alignment.
That's coming as a result ofstepping into and was there fear
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and jumps and leaps and doubledowns and investments All of
them but that's what createsthat life and alignment that I
think so many people are lookingfor.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Beautiful.
So, leading to the period ofcareer is you completely changed
your life and nutrition.
So what would you say?
The first few monthspost-reanimation?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The first few months after I quit my job.
Well, the first thing I did anda lot of people when they quit
a W-2 job, especially, like forme I was 45 years old at the
time, had four kids, one incomefamily, and so when I quit my
job, a lot of people they'llimmediately go into like
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survival mode, where now theystart reclusing, where now they
actually hold on tighter.
And for me, I just immediatelylike I had kind of gotten the
mindset.
By the way, I'm a guy this istrue Three and a half years ago
I wouldn't buy a $20 book.
Like I never went toconferences and you laugh,
(08:07):
that's true I would never like.
If there was a coaching programout there or a community that
was, you know, an app, if it washonestly like 50, a hundred
dollars, I couldn't wrap my, Icouldn't wrap my brain spending
a hundred dollars a month onsomething that maybe helped me
see something I didn't see.
Right Now, I had overcome thatby the time I quit my job, right
(08:30):
, that's, by the way.
That's how I got to the pointwhere I did quit my job is
because I was evolving in mymind, I was opening my mind to
new ideas and I understood thatlike, for me to get there, I'm
going to have to, like, investin how I think, and so that's
going to take me investing inother people, right?
So as soon as I quit my job, Istarted writing like four and
five figure checks.
I had just committed to writinga book a month prior.
(08:52):
You know, I self-published thebook and, uh, you know, but,
dude, you want to self-publish abook.
It costs money, by the way.
Just newsflash, if anybodywants to write a book out there,
this is like, unless you'regetting a book deal which I
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didn't, at least not yet thiscosts you money.
So I wrote a five-figure checklike the week after I quit my
job.
I immediately doubled down oncoaching.
I immediately cranked that up.
I was spending at that timefour figures, like multiple four
figures a month, coaching,consulting, feeding in.
It seemed like every otherTuesday I always joke.
It wasn't like a normal Tuesdayunless I was writing like a
$1,000 or $2,000 check.
I was having to buy inventoryfor books.
(09:32):
I was now an upcoming author,so I needed books on hand.
I did a big launch party here inrural Minnesota.
I had $2,000 worth of books onthe table.
I had food.
We threw a party.
It was on my 46th birthday.
I brought in a DJ, a smokemachine, photographer, photo
wall.
I mean, that party cost me 10grand and this was all in
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self-employment world, right.
But now I look back and I'mhaving a phenomenal 2025.
It was because of all theenergy input back there, right,
like there's a lag.
What people have to understandis like sometimes those seeds
don't come to fruition rightaway.
It's not a one-to-one ratio.
(10:17):
You plant a seed, you eat thefruit the next day.
It's coming, it is coming, butit might not be the next day,
and that's, I think, where a lotof people don't take it to the
next level, because they can't.
The fear is too great to plantthe seed and keep watering, and
keep watering until that thatseed actually produces a harvest
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.
You know what I'm?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
saying Absolutely.
I think that's actually thephase I'm in.
I've planted a lot of seeds but, I, have not yet seen that
uptick, and so you get thatoutside appearance.
What are you doing?
And it's just like no, I knowthe vision, I know what I'm
creating and it's being built.
Trust me on that but right nowit definitely looks crazier from
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the outside looking in.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
By the way, sorry to interrupt, I had a lot of people
being like what are you doing?
But they didn't see what I sawright.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You didn't have your gossip.
That's trap, kill.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Correct, and that's also too like that's.
We do live in a cause andeffect world.
I mentioned this in my book.
We live in a cause and effectworld.
You reap what you sow.
When A happens, b happens.
But we have this peculiar thingcalled time, and time smears
reality, because time stretchesout the point between cause and
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effect.
That's where most people don'tever get to that next level,
because the fear overcomes thembefore the fruit gets harvested
and they continue to water it.
You know what I'm saying?
And so that's a lens, that's aset of glasses you've got to
look at your life at in that way.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All right.
So what would you say to peoplewho feel like they have that
nudge for more, but they'recontinuing to postpone the
auction or, as you would haveput it, continuing to live for a
while?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Poof-da, or, as you would have put it, continuing to
live for a while.
Poofta, I go back all the time,in fact, people that have been
with me on my journey for a longtime.
I'm like what is something Icould have done or said to
myself that would have gotten meto this point faster, myself,
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that would have gotten me tothis point faster?
And what I have landed on isthat you have to be ready.
There's an old adage that sayswhen the student is ready, the
teacher appears.
The truth is is that there wereteachers all around me.
They were in my circles, theinformation was there.
What's the problem?
I wasn't ready.
The heart was not fertile soilfor that information, that
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energy to land on, so to speak.
So what made me ready?
I talk about in the firstchapter of my book.
I call it the flight pullmoment.
It happened right on a road Forthose of you not watching this
but listening, I'm pointing butthere's a little road right down
from where I'm sitting rightnow, from where I live in rural
Minnesota, and I went on a walkwith my wife on New Year's Day
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2022, again coming out of COVIDtwo very dark years for me
Because, remember, I was playingdefense my whole life.
I was in a defensive postureand if you remember back then,
everything that you heard, saw,smelled and tasted was all
negative, and I was that waslove.
All of it, my whole mental realestate was just tied up in the
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negative.
And I was 43 at the time.
I was capped in my career, Iwas capped in my income and I
made a decision on that road.
No kidding, I said to my wifeI'm done playing defense.
This is what I said.
I didn't know exactly what Iwas articulating at the time,
but I said I'm done playingdefense, I'm ready to play
offense.
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And what was interesting backthen, I was on Facebook.
I've had my identity stolensince then, so I'm not on
Facebook anymore.
I can't, they won't let me backon, but I follow people on
Facebook.
99% of people on Facebook weretalking about all the BS.
It was all negative, lowfrequency BS, political talk,
arguing, all the talk, vaccines,masks, the whole.
Everything that we hatedarguing about was everything
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back then.
But what I noticed, there waslike 1% of people that were
talking about growth,opportunity, business expansion
and no kidding, anita, I said tomy wife on that walk I go
whatever the crap they're doingor whatever they're thinking.
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I need to figure this.
I need to think the way theythink, whatever they're doing.
That's what I want to do andthis is a true story.
There was only one guy in mycircle that thought like that
Many of them were like otherinfluencers and I had no access
to them, right?
But there was one guy.
His name's Tim and he's abusiness owner.
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He's from my hometown and hespoke a different language.
And I reached out to Tim likethat day and I was like dude, if
you give me a half hour in thefall, I'd love to just like chat
.
And sure enough, he took me upon the offer.
We chatted the next day, whichwas like January 2nd 2022.
And he started recommendingbooks and he started.
He was the first person to showme that there's a different way
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and that was kind of thebeginning.
So, to answer your question,what should people do?
You've got to decide, you haveto decide.
It's kind of like I'm olderthan you, but it's like our dads
would always say you got to besick and tired of being sick and
tired.
It's kind of a boomer statement.
It's kind of true Like you haveto decide, that you've had
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enough.
And when you decide, somethingin the spiritual happens, I
believe, like, like there's asaying, too that says there's
nothing more powerful than aperson who's made up their mind.
When you make up your mind,it's going to be different.
You have decided which.
By the way, the root word ofdecide is side C, I DI-D-E.
It means to kill, cut off anddestroy.
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When you kill, cut off anddestroy the old way of doing
something, you then will becomealigned in your heart, in your
mind, in the spiritual, and thenthere will be some clarity.
That will come once you takeaction.
You have to start taking action.
So you have to start with adecision and then you have to
start dipping your toe in.
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And I would challenge you don'tjust dip your toe in, really
try something, really believe it.
Yeah, but it's not perfect andI don't know Exactly.
You won't know because you'renot an expanded enough version
of yourself to understand whatthat thing is.
But you will get there if youtake the action.
So all of that was introduction, to say you have to decide and
then you have to take action onit.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I haven't even challenged full action Exactly.
Whatever you think is not thething you should do is the thing
you should do, because I'mfinding that, even with the way
I'm growing up as podcasts, it'slike the people I'm like, oh,
shouldn't have done that.
But when I do ask it, they'relike, oh, yes, or I settle on
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that now, but a lot of timesit's like yes, and had I not
asked an answer?
What of a no?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
so it's like just take the bold action, even if it
by comfortable just do dosomething again for me buying
the book reaching out to theperson going to the conference,
buying the book reaching out tothe person going to the
conference just start saying yes.
I was always a no person.
I was going to win by not doinganything and not taking action.
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I was going to win by playingdefense and I just told myself
I'm going to start saying yes.
And so I started saying yes in2022.
And I said yes to some dumbstuff.
Dumb stuff.
And you know what I learnedfrom that.
I started like signing up forlike here's the thing.
I'll just rewind the tape.
You didn't ask me a question.
I'm going to give you the.
I just wanted to make money,cause I thought if I made money,
like all my fears will go away.
So I started signing up forprograms that were not even in
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close to alignment to who I was.
But I you know what I get, my.
I give that guy a lot of credit.
He started saying yes.
He started shelling out moneywhen he never did it before, to
pursue something so he couldbecome something different.
It turned out those things werenot it and, by the way, when
you start taking action withthings that are out of alignment
, you won't get anywhere.
It will be drudgery, therewon't be alignment there.
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But that showed me that now,going into 2023, the year after
I'm going to make some boldmoves, I'm going to make some
investments, I'm going to sayyes, but I'm going to make sure
that it's more in alignment.
Well then, going into 2024,then it was like the clarity
came right and now I'm takingaction.
Well then, here we are in 2025.
Now there's not only alignment,but momentum.
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Well, it took that action backthere that cost me money, or it
kind of took me down a path.
By the way, stop worrying.
Is it should I do this orshould I do this?
Pick one, pick one.
And, by the way, you have theability to decide which one's
right.
People live in this dichotomy.
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I could pursue this business orI could pursue this.
Which one should I do?
You've already created the mindspace that one is right and one
is wrong.
They're both right, and they'reright because you choose that
it's correct, and whether itturns into a thriving career or
something that you walk awayfrom, do something and you pivot
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in three months, it doesn'tmatter, because you've assigned
it value, that it is indeed theright decision.
So get out of this mindset.
I think a lot of people to yourpoint.
They don't make the move, theydon't take that next step
because they're sitting in thevalley of decision trying to
waffle around.
Is it the right move?
What should I do?
It's too scary.
Just pick one, but go into it,the mindset it is the right
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decision and you can alwayspivot.
You can always pivot.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So what are some subtle signs that someone is not
just being deferred, butthey're also kind of you know
they're deferring who they'rebecoming.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The essence of life undeferred is that we don't wait
, we don't waste time.
For 43 years, I felt like Ideferred life right, like it was
always.
Someday, when you have thissomeday mentality, like you know
, I'm going to do this and thenin 2026, I'll do this, and I'm
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not suggesting you don't havegoals and a vision, but, like
when we're always deferring life, tears will be some signs.
Every year will kind of lookthe same you know what I mean.
Like it's kind of play repeat,like if you're honest, you're
not that much different than youwere last year.
You should be unrecognizableyear to year.
(20:56):
You should almost berecognizable quarter to quarter.
If you're really, if you'rereally growing and expanding,
you are a much more evolved selfthan you were a quarter ago.
So do an inventory.
Look at your life, look at howyou think, look at the books
you're reading, look at how youlook at your life, your marriage
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, your job, your money, youraspirations, your abilities, and
take some serious inventory.
Are they pretty much where theywere last year?
If so, you're probably livinglife deferred.
Here's another good one You'renot failing but you're not
striving, and that's kind ofwhere you've been sitting and
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while your life isn't likefloating in the gutter, and
while your life isn't likefloating in the gutter, you're
also acutely aware that there'smore and, if you're really
honest with yourself, it bothersyou a little bit.
What was really haunting me?
Before I kind of reinventedmyself, I would pace around my
house I could not tell you howmany nights I would lie awake
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not sleeping, pacing around thehouse trying to articulate to my
wife what's really going on,and she's like so you're worried
about money and I'm like it'snot about money.
You know what it was Alignment.
It was my soul craving out formore.
It wants more.
That's what your soul hascreated.
It's created to grow and expandand connect.
My soul was craving more.
I didn't know how to articulateit at the time, but again, to
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answer your question, how doessomebody know if they're living
life deferred?
If you're really honest, yoursoul is crying for more and it
will come out as discontentment,it will come out as anxiety, it
will come off as antsiness,it'll come off as like I go to
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my job and you have to sellyourself on your own BS.
You have to sell yourself.
You know, I'm 46 years old, I'mmaking six figures.
Yeah, it's not a perfect job.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But we have to like sell ourselves on the idea of
staying in it.
If you ever have to sellyourself to stay in a mediocre
situation, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding probably a pretty
good sign.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I love that and I can totally relate to everything
you were just saying.
So to dive into the next one,you say we must shift from
chasing success to becoming it.
Can you unpack that for us?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It's one of my favorite words becoming right.
We're not in the business ofchasing shiny objects.
Shiny objects don't bring usthe fulfillment and the peace
that we long for.
Can we agree on that 100%?
You know what does BecomingRight, and so when I was caught
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in defense and fear, lack andscarcity with this you know very
limited mindset I just thoughtchasing a shiny object was going
to be the thing, right.
That's why.
That's why I was like you knowwhat's, what's the fastest way
to get rich quick?
Like, how can I learn some sortof skill just to make money?
And A, it never come to.
It never came to fruitionbecause it was out of alignment.
B.
I think that that was actuallyGod's mercy and compassion not
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letting that come to fruitionbecause ultimately, the things
don't make us happy.
It's the evolution of our soulthat makes us happy.
So this idea of becoming isreally what it's all about.
When I coach people, yeah, wetalk about tactics and
strategies, but really what I'mtrying to make people do is to
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evolve into who they want tobecome.
When I'm on stage, I'll share.
From stage I'll say hey, youknow what I know.
I'm here to talk for an hourand I'm up here kind of dancing
around.
I'm entertaining and I'll telljokes and I go.
Here's a dirty little secret ofwhat I'm trying to do I'm
trying to get you to believesomething about your life that
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you don't actually believe istrue.
Because if I can do that, Iwon't have to worry about what
happens when we walk out of here, because you will see something
that's true about yourself thatyou didn't see before, and then
that will actually expand youinto the next level.
You will start to actuallybecome who you were created to
become.
That's our default setting.
Our default setting is to bethe person that we were created
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to be.
Why don't we do that?
Well, trauma lies, societalpressures, templates.
We feel that we need to fitinto right All of the above
Things that we say to ourselves,right, and so how do we
eliminate those things so we canthen become the person we were
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destined to be?
So, yeah, this whole idea ofbecoming is.
It's very powerful to me and,again, if I've done anything
right air quotes I've got out ofmy own way and very, very
diligently, aggressively andintentionally tried to unwind
this thing after 43 years ofwinding up, unwind it and
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actually learn what the truth isso then I can open up my soul
into becoming who I was createdto be.
What are we searching for?
I think, if we're all honest,you know what we want.
We want peace.
That was the number one thingon my whiteboard the last two
years of who do I want to becomethis year?
I want to become a person ofpeace.
Making more money doesn'tnecessarily bring you more peace
(26:23):
.
You know what brings you peaceAlignment, becoming, stepping
into I've now stepped intoentrepreneurship full-time in
the last calendar year.
It's scary as hell becausethere's no guarantees, right,
I've got to go kill it and dragit home.
I don't eat.
That's scary.
Ironically ironically, eventhough there's all this
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uncertainty, air quotes, Iactually have more peace now
than I've ever experiencedbefore.
Not because my world is so safe, it's because I'm stepping into
this idea of becoming so.
Yeah, I love that word, man.
I preach that word all the time.
By the way, the phrase fake ittill you make it.
I don't care for that phrase,but I heard and I should be able
(27:09):
to regurgitate who originallysaid it.
I cannot think of the person'sname, so I apologize if you're
listening, but she said it in aTEDx talk.
She said you fake it till youbecome it.
I love that because can we saythings about our life, can we do
self-talk, meditations, prayers, disciplines that we really
don't believe yet, but if we dothem or say them enough, we
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actually embodiment.
So again I tie that wordbecoming to the word embodiment.
Who do you want to become?
Start to embody that person now.
Don't wait, don't defer.
Become them now.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I love that.
That's actually one of thepillars that's on her method
that I call.
That is the first herb is heal.
Second part is embody, and thenthe third is finally rising to
that next level.
So I'm all about embodying, andhow do we make that gap of who
we want to be versus who we arenow match.
I love that.
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I love it.
What role has pressure playedfor you in your own life and how
do you now view it?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Pressure points Is that what you said?
Pressure, pressure, oh gosh,what own life, and how do you
now view it?
Pressure points is that whatyou said?
Pressure, oh gosh.
You have like a love haterelationship with pressure,
right.
So again, if you're searchingfor safety, you'll never, you'll
never seek out pressure, you'llhate pressure.
And I'm learning, I'm trainingmy body slowly, my mind and my
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body, my mind, my thoughts, myactions, my emotions, to
actually like that.
When I look at my calendar, Iwake up and I look at what I got
on the books for today.
Hopefully I've got some thingsthat are going to make me have
to rise to the occasion.
Right, and there's pressurethere.
I do a lot of speaking and Iteach public speaking.
I teach technique.
That's one of my offerings,just because I was coached so
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much as the talent.
I was a TV weatherman, so I wastalent, and so our stations
would spend money and they wouldcoach and consult us, and so
I'm able to teach that to otherpeople.
Right, and people always ask medo you ever get nervous?
You ever get nervous?
I'm like I get nervous everysingle time.
I don't care who I'm talking to, and they're like for real and
I'm like well, I'm not nervous,but I feel the levity of the
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situation.
You should be, you should befeeling that and I would.
I would say often, like if youlook at your schedule or you
just do an inventory of yourlife in the last week, two weeks
, and you haven't really been ina situation where you felt any
real pressure, you are notpushing hard enough at all.
Pressure really is that portaland I've been saying this
(29:49):
jokingly, but I'm like itactually is true Like again,
pre-reinvention, I wanted myemotions to be a zero out of 10.
I didn't ever want to spiritlike I was raised in chaos and
dysfunction and uncertainty.
So I want, I want chill all thetime.
And now, if my emotions arelike 50% excitement, because we
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should be excited about thethings that we're working on,
our collaborations, our projects, the work that we're doing, we
should be excited.
But there also should be like50% like holy crap, what am I
getting myself into?
That's actually to me, that'sthe right ratio 50-50 excitement
versus like oh crap, it's notfriction, it's not stress, it's
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not stress, it is somethingdifferent, it's something.
That's something that, thatfeeling, I get in my chest,
where I've got to rise to thisoccasion, so I have a love-hate
relationship with it.
I'm learning to love it, though.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
He's a dying man, then what's the one core belief
you have to break in order to beright when this person is
lethal?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What's the current, what's the one core belief
you're going to have to break inorder to be right once this
person is left?
What's the current?
What's the one thing I have tobreak?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
No, what's one core belief you're going to have to
break.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Had to break to rise to my next level.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, to this level.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
To this level.
Yep, I had to level.
Yep, I had to.
One of the.
Remember when I like back in2022, 2023, I was like starting
to read books, one of myfavorite books by one of my
favorite authors he's probablywatching Garrett Gunderson.
Garrett Gunderson wrote anumber of books.
(31:32):
He wrote a book called KillingSacred Cows, and Killing Sacred
Cows is a financial book.
It's like here's like nine Ithink it's nine myths that
people believe about money thatare completely wrong.
Now I read the books.
I found him intriguing Also too,by the way, I was working in
the financial world at the timeand the nine myths that he was
busting were true.
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It was like it was everythingthat I was taught to believe
about money.
But in the very first chapter,he talks about lack and scarcity
, and I had never I never heardthat language before but his I
think it's the.
(32:13):
It's titled there's enough piefor everybody.
I'm butchering that, but it's.
I'm close.
Basically, he's like we have toget out of this idea that
there's only so much.
Right.
The truth is is that there'sinfinite.
There is no lack for anybody.
Everybody can have an infiniteamount of pie if they want.
If you're stuck in lack,there's only.
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Well, that's the way I'd liveforever.
Right, I was a hoarder, like Idon't mean like a literal
hoarder like you watch on A&E,you know on that show but like
I'd hoard money because I alwayslived in lack.
Everything had a price tag.
I hated spending money.
I still do a little bit to thisday, but a heck of a lot less
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than what I did before.
I hated spending any moneybecause if that money is gone,
if that money is gone, it's goneand it cannot come back.
So the biggest one for me thatI had to break was that there's
enough.
I have no lack.
By the way, if you happen toknow my story, read my book.
Every morning I go for a morninggratitude walk, and there are
four specific things that I sayduring my morning gratitude walk
.
One of the four is that I lacknothing.
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There's nothing I lack, andthat postures me in a position
where there is nothing butfullness, abundance and infinite
resources for me to tap into atany given time, and the world
is working for me, not againstme.
So that mindset, that shift,that this idea of like and, by
the way, it still shows up Everyonce in a while I go through a
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season or a day or a moment, andthat lack wants to bubble up
and I have to remind myselfthere is no lack, I lack nothing
and ironically, it's when I'mgoing through seasons of growth
that I feel the most lack, whichis ironic, you know.
We could dissect that.
Why does that happen?
But to answer your question,this idea there is no lack,
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there is infinite pie foreverybody.
I need to Google search thefirst chapter.
We should do that really quick.
What's chapter?
What is chapter one called inGarrett Gunderson's book?
It has something to do with pieand the fact that there's pi
for everybody.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I will add it to the show.
Put that in the show notes foreverybody.
Okay, but you work with a lotof pi achievers who feel
misaligned.
What would you say is an earlysign of a burnout that you
helped them identify.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
A sign of burnout.
They are spending their timewith misaligned tasks.
I got off the phone yesterdaywith a young lady.
She is a holistic health coach.
She is so smart and she is soburnt out and within a short
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amount of time on the phone wewere able to really I was able
to help her see something shealready knew but re-energized
her because she knows there's somuch more and she wants to help
the world in so many ways andshe has the full ability to do
it.
But she was spending so muchtime doing tasks and being a
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person or business that does notalign with her highest self
which, by the way, that's thefastest way to burn out.
Spend a lot of time withmisaligned tasks.
By the way, that's why mostpeople don't like their jobs
because they're in a misalignedstate.
There's nothing wrong with thejob.
I'm not I'm never poo-pooing aW-2 job.
(35:43):
What I poo-poo is a W-2 jobthat is not in alignment with
who you are.
Does that make sense?
You're spending so much time,effort and energy and bandwidth
on something that isn'talignment with your soul and or
the growth and trajectory thatyou were destined to be on.
(36:05):
So it's pretty easy when youhave a high achiever who should
be like cranking, but they'restuck in here, okay.
So how are you spending yourtime?
Where's your bandwidth going?
Where does your mind go?
And, by the way, you probablyknow this, but as soon as a high
achiever gets sucked down inthese like lower frequency tasks
that are misaligned, boom, yourwillpower and your desire goes
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out the window.
The lack comes in.
So then you're questioningyourself and your ego's flaring
up.
It's like the perfect storm.
And it's no wonder.
I mean, I have a veryunscientific theory, but and
again with all due respect, Ithink most people 90 plus
percent of people they neverreach even level two, forget
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level five and 10.
They're just kind of.
Again, they're not living badlives, they're not hurting
anybody, but there's so muchmore because we're just living a
misaligned life.
So high achievers that areburnt out, it's because they're
misaligned.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I love how this conversation has literally gone
into the direction of like youroutcomes of how you're living
your life, your outcomes of howyou're living your life.
We feel that dissatisfaction isfrom the lack of alignment,
because I feel like so manytimes it's so easy to get the
blinders on, especially not W2life Not that I'm shitting on it
(37:27):
, but like you get that blinderson of.
Like this looks good on paperbut my soul is really craving
and crawling out for more.
Why am I not living the waythat I should be?
Why am I not challenged in theway that I should be?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
So then, how do you to your question a couple of
minutes ago.
So then, how do you coursecorrect, decide, take action,
but warning, you better have theyou know what's to handle, what
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you courage and desire and gutsto do it.
And that's what separates a lotof people.
(38:26):
They don't have that fervor,the audacity to take that to the
next level, even if they knowthat they're living in mediocre
land, or life deferred mode as Iwould call it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You've already touched on this, but after
releasing your book and steppinginto the more of a public eye,
you experienced your identitydeath.
How did that impact you, notjust logisticallyistically but
emotionally and spiritually,especially during such a
defining moment in your groovyyeah, it sucked.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, was that you want more?
Yeah, I mean, I I'll give youthe cliff notes.
But yeah, after launching mybook, you know, had a massive
wave of momentum online.
By the way, I live online.
I make my money by makingconnections online, you know.
I mean, I have a virtualbusiness, so I live online and
had this massive wave ofmomentum after I launched my
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book, which was the point, andtwo weeks to the day later, I
got my identity stolen and itwas like the full-fledged, like
10 out of 10 type of identitytheft.
You know, like social mediaaccounts are hacked, identity
money stolen, and it happenedthroughout the course of the day
.
I can honestly say and I'm nottrying to over dramatize this
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probably one of the worst daysof my life, because it was so.
If you ever had your identitystolen, it's, it's demoralizing
because you feel so gross,because you're stolen from
people and there's nothing youcan stop and your phone is
dinging with alerts and youcan't move as fast as what it's
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moving.
So it was scary, spent prettymuch the second half of that day
canceling credit cards, bankaccounts, putting a hold on my
identity, and you know it wasDecember and I live in Minnesota
and it's dark, it's justphysically dark in Minnesota and
that was just such a darkperiod and certainly a dark day.
(40:31):
I did not sleep at all thatnight, not that and, by the way,
just newsflash.
Everything has been recovered,except for my Facebook.
I still can't find it.
If you find it, let me know,because I still cannot find it.
I think it's deleted.
By the way, there is one of myaccounts floating out there.
That's not me, don't respond tothat.
But I did not sleep at all thatnight, pondering what am I
(40:55):
going to do?
And a mutual friend of ours,craig Siegel.
I got him on the phone thatmorning.
He was the first person Italked to after kind of the dust
settled and he just said thisis going to be the best thing
that ever happens to you and hesaid it with such conviction.
Some coaches and people they'relike what do I got to tell this
guy, even if it's a lie, justto make him feel better.
(41:18):
We say that right, somebodyclose to you dies and it's like
you know she's in a better place.
Everything happens for a reason.
We come up with these clichesright, and I'm not a fan of
cliches, even though there aretruth in them.
But you know he said he goes.
We will laugh about thissomeday, not today, not tomorrow
.
Be honored that this happened.
(41:40):
We should be flattered by ourchallenges that God would trust
us enough to release this intoour movies, right?
He said, don't panic, mind you,I play defense, right?
So, like I was alreadypanicking, I was already trying
to think of you know how I wasgoing to.
You know, get on my wife'sFacebook and we're going to find
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these people Because I lived insuch lack.
This is lack Every moment thatgoes by that I'm not on social
media pushing my brand.
Think of my momentum as aneedle, like the momentum's way
here.
Every moment that goes by,what's happening to my momentum?
It's getting less right, and sothe panic, moment to moment,
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was increasing that like I'menvisioning myself days going by
, I don't have this and noweverything I've built is now
it's gone.
Newsflash when the light shinesin your life, it cannot be
extinguished.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm not big enough.
Identity thieves aren't bigenough to extinguish something
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as powerful as the light shiningthrough a soul.
You know what I mean.
I didn't understand that at thetime and you know I took Craig's
advice, I didn't panic, I satin it and that was one of the
most uncomfortable months.
I mean, if you this is truestory If you look at my phone,
there's a massive gap fromDecember 3rd till like mid
(43:09):
January, like four.
I only took like four picturesCause I was, I wasn't like
depressed, I just I only tooklike four pictures because I was
.
I wasn't like depressed, I justI was just in a holding pattern
, just let.
I was letting that thing justmarinate and I was kind of
(43:30):
intentionally just wanting tofeel it.
I wanted to feel the feels andlet that lesson just do its work
.
Now, when I say I didn't doanything, the truth is I did do
a lot.
I got on the phone, I startedreaching out to people in my
contacts hey, it's the turn ofthe year, I would love to come
in and do a seminar, could Icome and speak to your employees
?
And I started drumming upbusiness without my social media
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accounts.
I had LinkedIn, that was it.
Social media accounts, I hadLinkedIn, that was it.
And you know, came into areally, really hot January, like
produced a lot of business withnot a lot of social media
presence, and I was like huh andit had a lot of impact.
And then that led into aspectacular February Bam back on
(44:11):
Instagram, okay, cool, had amonster March and then had this
bus game of April.
By the way, back in January, Ihad no income on the books for
April at the time and my incomein April went 2X my biggest
month at that point.
And so I'm like huh, and so Ican say now with 100% certainty
(44:35):
that that was the best thingthat ever happened to me,
because it produced in my soulwhat was necessary for me to
receive, that which was waitingfor me right.
And so I look at stuff likethis way differently.
I I'm a christian.
I don't know where people standin faith, which is totally fine
, fine, but I hang aroundChristian circles and I had a
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lot of Christians.
I got to tell you I had a lotof Christians when I got my
identity stolen.
They're like, oh, the devil'strying to take it away from you,
satan's coming after you, and Ican just tell you that wasn't
the devil, that was the divine.
The devil, that was the divineHandpicking that particular
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challenge at the exact righttime so then I could receive and
become the person that I neededto become in 2025.
So I'm so thankful that thathappened.
We're sitting here at themidpoint of the year.
I'm so thankful that thathappened.
It sucked, but I'm so thankfulthat it happened.
So I just have a different tunetowards things that are very
painful.
I'll just share this personally.
(45:41):
I lost my mother earlier thisyear, on March 16th.
I lost my mom and it did notcome as a surprise, but it's
still difficult when you lose aparent, and, as heartbreaking as
it was, I was like and you know, as heartbreaking as it was, I
was like.
This is confirmation that thejourney I'm on is the one that
we have just truly scratched thesurface, and I'll share this
(46:02):
very, very personally.
Two weeks ago today, at therecording of this podcast, I
lost my brother.
He started drinking veryheavily again after our mother
passed and he passed, mostlikely due to toxic substances
in his body, and so I've losthalf my family in the last three
months.
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Heartbroken, sad, absolutely.
What an opportunity.
What is this going to do If Iwant to take people deep?
By the way, we are in thebusiness of taking people deep,
so if I want to take people deep, I've got to go to the depths.
So I felt honored sad that mybrother passed, sad that my mom
passed, but honored, honoredthat my creator would release us
(46:46):
into my movie, not to kill me,not to break me, but to create
the breakthrough that I need.
So then I can take that to theworld, the breakthrough that I
need.
So then I can take that to theworld.
So do you have the audacitythis goes to you and everybody
listening Do you have theaudacity to look at your life
that way?
Because that's what it's goingto take.
It'll take an audacious type ofmindset and consciousness to
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view the most painful things asthat opportunity.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Beautiful.
I just personally want tocommend you because there's not
a lot of souls who can actuallycome through these experiences
and really look at it from thisperspective of not letting this
break.
But let me see how deep I cango.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
And also I totally am with you on the whole Christian
mentality that would have beenthe devil's call is coming for
you.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Coming for you.
I mean, how are you supposed tothrive?
I'm not challenging anybody'stheology here, but if you truly
live, because a lot ofChristians and again I hang out
I'm in that camp, just a headsup.
But if you truly live, if youtruly think I hear a lot of
Christians say this and I'm notjust picking on Christians,
(48:05):
don't hear me wrong but like theworld's going to heck in a
handbasket and society's down inthe toilet.
And here's the deal.
It probably is, I don't know,but why would I?
Why would I live in that?
Why would I choose to live inthat mind space?
Whether it is, it isn't God'sdivine, I don't even know.
Who do we really know?
(48:25):
But you know what I'm going to,no matter what's happening out
there and I'm pointing to theworld I'm going to choose to
live that.
The world's happening for me,the things that are happening.
There is no chaos, there is nohappenstance, there's nothing
that is not divinely releasedinto my movie with precise,
(48:47):
precise, laser-focused precision.
So when I have that mindset andthen the storms come, they
propel me.
But if my mindset is theworld's going to hell in a
handbasket and the devil ownshis world, well, how the hell.
Am I supposed to thrive in aworld that's like that?
I don't know.
Just something to consider.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
So what do you hope you leave?
Your kids learning Chrissy,what life here, they think and
leaving.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
We have some very deep talks.
You know, my biggest thing is Ihope that they never hold back,
that there is no lack.
I have.
We have.
This is a very high levelconversation.
I have these high levelconversations with them all the
time, and, you know, I ask mykids, you know, who do you want
to become?
You know not just what do youwant to do, what do you want to
do when you grow up?
That's fine, but who do youwant to be?
(49:40):
That's fine, but who do youwant to be.
And so, man, you know, if, ifI'm gone someday and they look
back and they're like their dadwas relentlessly pursuing more,
not more money or stuff, butlike pursuing more of who he was
supposed to be, connection withhis creator and stepping into
that, that would be.
That would be what I want totransfer, though, okay, so
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throwing it back.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
If you're 25 year old self.
Where do you think today, whatdo you think you would surprise
him the most?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
if I could talk to my 25 year old self, or if if he
heard you speaking having all hewouldn't know what that guy's
talking about, which a lot of alot of people say they're like
oh man, I wish I could go backand tell myself this 25 years
ago.
It wouldn't make any sensebecause that that evolved person
, where where he or she was atthat time, wouldn't understand
(50:32):
this.
You know what I mean.
That's why, like, I don't gettoo caught up in like the some
people are all about like are wegoing to make 10, 20 year goals
?
Like 10 year goals, like youwon't eat.
Even five years, I won't eat, Iwon't recognize myself in a
year.
So how am I supposed to?
How am I supposed to understandthat?
(50:54):
Right, so I would love to goback to my 25 year old self and
be like take more chances, don'tlive in lack, stop like, stop
living in scarcity.
But I got to tell you I knewthat guy because I used to be
him.
He wouldn't have understood it.
He would not have understoodthat.
That's why it's so fun when Ihave conversations with
17-year-olds, 18-year-olds,20-year-olds about these things
(51:16):
and they actually get it.
I'm like oh, wow, like you willblow up because by the time
you're my age, you've got 25years of evolving into abundance
and and limitless thinkingwhole, you will be leaps and
bounds above where I am nowRight.
I mean and, by the way, as youknow this, the trajectory when
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you start to really get a wrapyour brain.
The trajectory is not linear.
It's right.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
So I would love to go talk to him, talk to that guy,
but I don't think he wouldlisten to what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Fair enough.
If there's a woman listening tome who's knowing she's met for
more, what's the one thing youtell her to do this week?
Speaker 3 (52:05):
I would say be very, very.
Take heavy inventory of whatyou're doing and who you are and
stop doing things that are notin alignment.
Stop pretending that you'resomebody you're not.
Where are you pretending andwhat are you tolerating that
(52:32):
isn't in alignment with yourhigher self, and then she will
most likely rebuttal well, yeah,but then I got to clean up this
mess, this mess and this mess,and then I will do that.
And then you and I will say no,no, no, no, no.
You do that now.
So go through your laundry listof all the things that you need
to fix and all of your issues,using air quotes.
(52:55):
Who is that person that, whenall of those problems are fixed,
I'm this person down here.
All of those problems are fixed.
I'm this person down here.
Here's the magic, here's thecheat code you just embody that
person.
Now, you make decisions as thatperson.
Now you put on that crown.
Now.
You don't wait, you don't needvalidation, you just do it.
(53:20):
And I got to tell you I've hadthis conversation with young
ladies because, again, I'm partof groups and you know what they
say.
When I tell them this, they'relike well, how do I do that?
I'm like that's a reallyfreaking good question.
You figure that out.
What does it look like for youto embody that person?
I can't answer that for you and, again, it takes a ton of
awareness and it takes audacityto actually do it.
(53:41):
What if you just showed up asthat person?
What if you just cut ties,decide, decide, cut off, kill
and destroy the things that areno longer honoring your higher
self?
What would happen?
What would happen?
Well, as you know, the worldand the universe and people
around you would start toactually prove you correct and
(54:01):
actually validate that which youchose, not vice versa, which is
where many people not women,I'm picking on women- sit
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
So where can our listeners go to experience the
podcast keynotes and programs?
I will be leaving everything inthe show notes, but how do you
prefer them to act in?
Speaker 3 (54:21):
I live on Instagram and LinkedIn.
Again, if you find my Facebookpage, please let me know and in
my podcast, the BreakthroughEffect, which is just getting
started, which is a lot of funto produce, and if you liked
anything by which we talkedabout here today, you're going
to love the podcast as well theBreakthrough Effect, itunes, all
major podcasting platforms.
And make sure you check out mywebsite, jaredsebestacom that's
(54:43):
just my name, jaredsebestacom.
I'm always doing classes.
By the way you, you justrecently logged onto one of my
free classes.
I do classes about everyquarter courses, all sorts of
fun stuff, so I've got tons offree resources on my website.
Uh, go check it out and makesure you check out the podcast.
And, yeah, that's, that's thebest way.
If I get back on Facebook, I'llmake an announcement, but until
then, instagram and LinkedIn.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
And I'm going to hit you as quick.
Fire round real quick.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
So what's your current mantra?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
My current mantra.
This is the first sentence Isay when I walk out the door on
my morning gratitude walk thisis the best day of my life.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Lonely A book that changed your life.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Oh man, there's so many Killing Sacred Cows by
Garrett Gunderson was phenomenal.
The Gap in the Game by DrBenjamin Hardy.
Become your Future Self by DrBenjamin Hardy a bombshell of a
book.
I highly recommend that toeverybody.
The very first book I read nokidding when I decided was Tim
Ferriss' book the Four-HourWorkweek.
That was the first book that Iread.
(55:48):
That instilled in me adifferent way.
I read that book and I was soexcited and I was depressed.
I was fricking excited but Iwas so fricking depressed
because I was like gosh.
I am so stuck but yet soexhilarated because it showed me
that there's a different way.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Beautiful.
And what's your dailynon-negotiable outside of your
morning gratitude walks?
Speaker 3 (56:13):
My daily routine or daily thing.
Non-negotiable, non-negotiable.
I have to move my body.
I just I have to.
I will go bananas.
Sitting around all day soundslike paradise for some people.
It sounds like a living hell tome.
So I've got to move my body.
I don't particularly like thegym, but I love how.
(56:33):
I just need to.
I need to get the energy out.
So I have to move my body,whatever that looks like biking,
walking, lifting weights, andthat is a non-negotiable.
In fact, I said to my wifewe've been married for almost 20
years I said can you name atime where I just went through a
season where I didn't go to thegym?
And she's like, honestly, never.
And that's not because I'm somesome gym rat like guru.
(56:54):
I just, I just need that.
I need that for my physical,mental, emotional health okay,
so one word that describes yourcurrent season relentless,
relentless, like I, like, I wantto be relentless.
I I I'm having so much fungrowing and expanding and every
time I think that I'm puttingmax energy into something, I'm
(57:16):
like no, there's more.
And it's not that I'm chasing,it's that the more energy I
throw in, the more relentless Ibecome, the faster the expansion
goes.
By the way, one of the bestcompliments I get who's doing
your marketing?
I say I'm doing it, I'm doingit.
(57:36):
And they're like what?
Now I've got a couple of peoplein my back corner that are
doing a little bit of backendstuff, so I'm not total solo
shit.
But when people, when marketingpeople, are coming up to me
saying who's doing yourmarketing?
And I say me and they're likeoh, fist bump, so that's the now
.
I'm not going to do thatforever.
I ain't freaking doing thisforever, but, like for right now
, relentless, relentless,relentless.
(57:58):
Most of the by the way, it'ssummer right now.
Most people just back off, theytake their foot off the pedal
pound and again it's not thegrind, it's not just like panic
grind do, but this relentlesspursuit of becoming.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
I love this.
And final one what is your wordfor 2025?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
I already chose relentless.
I got to come up with anotherone, a word.
I don't know of the word, butmy mindset for 2025 is really
every I'm growing so fast thatevery time that that lower
baseline is established, a newbaseline is established, then in
(58:56):
my mind, the upper rung on thatladder also needs to go up.
You know what I'm saying onthat ladder also needs to go up.
You know what I'm saying.
So we're always in this feelingof we're just getting started.
We're just getting started.
So if I had to say a word, it'dbe a phrase we're just getting
started.
Every time I up level, justgetting started.
(59:16):
And that's really the mindseteverybody needs to have.
I don't care how old you areand what you're doing, we're
just beginning.
We're just tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Craig says that a lot , but it's been a pleasure
having you.
I'm so honored and this is sucha great, juicy, golden nuggeted
episode.
I'm so honored to have met youand I'm just I want you to know
I'm standing in your corner.
I'm so excited for what you'reproducing in this world and it's
been a pleasure having you.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Thank you very much.
Lots of juicy nuggets in thisshow.
It's been my honor.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
So if you guys enjoyed the episode, please like
, share, comment, feel free toreach out to both of us on
Instagram and let us know yourthoughts and what your biggest
takeaways were, and until thenext one we will be.
Please just subscribe and alsoleave a review.
Thank you.
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Welcome to the Rise With Anita podcast, the space
where soul meets strategy anddreams are no longer optional.
I'm your host, anitaKurdayan-Gurgis, a
transformational mindset coachand founder of the HER Method.
This show is for the woman whoknows she's meant for more, who
feels the call to rise higherbut sometimes feels trapped by
her old stories, patterns orcircumstances.
(00:22):
Here we don't just talk aboutgrowth, we embody it.
We activate the woman inside ofyou who leads, who creates, who
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You'll hear a mix of soulepisodes from me and interviews
with soul-driven leaders, thebest in their fields, who live
what they teach and rise byexample.
Each conversation is a catalystfor your next breakthrough.
You're not broken.
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You're breaking through.
Let's go ahead and risetogether.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
All right, welcome back to the Rise of the Needed
podcast.
Today, I have a very specialtreat with me.
We have Jeris Mestep, who is akeynote speaker, bestselling
author and founder of the likeUndeferred brand, a
transformational platform thatempowers high achievers to stop
waiting for Sunday and startmaking bold, purpose-driven
moves.
For over a decade, jaredthrived as a public
(01:15):
meteorologist.
Behind the camera, he feltdisconnected, successful by the
world's standards, yetunfulfilled on a soul level.
So he took the courageous leap,leaving his career with no
backup plan, and started tochoose alignment over applause.
That decision became thefoundation for a life undeferred
and the catalyst for helpingothers step into their next
(01:36):
level life For clarity, courageand conviction.
I had the honor of meeting Jaredand witnessing him in action
last month in New York City atthe CLS Experience, and I knew
his message was one I needed tohear.
So when we first connected overthere, I realized we had
something deeply personal, whichwas the fact that we were both
(01:58):
raised by single moms, anidentity that has shaped our
emotional impact, basicallymaking us practical
psychologists from a very youngage, growing and how we lead.
So Jared is now the host of theBreakthroughs Effect, a
passionate voice for fearlessleading and, most importantly, a
(02:18):
loving husband and devotedfather.
His mission is bold and deeplyhuman helping others live their
life.
They know they're meant toWelcome.
Jared, I'm so honored to haveyou on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Honored myself.
Thanks for the introduction.
Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So, before we dive in , I always start off with what
is bringing you joy in thismoment.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
What's bringing me joy?
Well, for those of you watchingthis, it's actually summer here
in Minnesota, so I'm coming toyou, live from rural Minnesota,
where the weather is not greatabout nine months out of the
year, and so we're in that slimwindow of time where the
weather's nice.
I'm a fair weather guy and soI'm excited about that, and 2025
has been an incredible year.
(03:01):
Family's, healthy, I have someincredible things happening, but
also some very, very difficultthings happening at the same
time, and I think that that'swhat makes life so rich.
So, besides that and thebeautiful weather, I got a lot
of things I'm excited for today.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Beautiful.
So let's just dive right in.
You've not only left one reallyextensive career, but two.
So what was the internal shiftthat led you to walk away from
two successful careers withinthe TV and financial industry?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, great question.
If I have to articulate it, Iprobably wouldn't have been able
to articulate it at the time,especially my TV career.
By the way, I worked intelevision.
I was a TV weatherman.
I don't know how many TVweathermen you have on this show
typically, but I was a TVweatherman for 12 years, worked
in three markets, climbed theladder, was able to make a very
successful stab at it for 12years.
(03:56):
But as my TV career grew I feltlike it was taking me away from
the things I really wanted.
I had been married for, youknow, a couple of years.
At the time.
We had a couple of kids andgrowing family and my wife and I
are small town Minnesota kidsand to have a to keep climbing
the ranks in TV it's, you know,you're going to live in a big
city and there are no, there'sno normal schedule in TV.
(04:20):
It's either like death, morning, overnights, late evenings,
weekends, holidays or all theabove.
And in my heart of hearts I wasa business owner, I'm an
entrepreneur and we don't likebeing tied down, and so TV kind
of ran the show.
It treated me very well.
It gave me a plethora ofamazing opportunities.
(04:41):
I love that I can say that Iwas a TV weatherman, but it
really wasn't fitting where Ifelt I was being taken and where
I wanted to go, what I wantedto do with my life.
I transitioned into thefinancial world.
Same thing, great job.
Applied my skills, I was ableto do business development,
utilize my media background tohelp grow, at the time, a fairly
(05:02):
small retirement planning firminto a very large one.
And but then, you know, comingout of COVID probably a midlife
crisis a little bit, you know,being stuck in old mindsets for
decades.
What's that?
Oh wait, that's exactly right,something does happen when you
get into your forties.
You know, certainly there's,there's something that happens
(05:22):
in your soul.
And so you had kind of theperfect storm of like, no, it is
time for me to step into who Iam Now.
I didn't say that at the timewhen I kind of planted my
flagpole in the sand, but I knewsomething had to shift.
And as I started to radicallypursue that, the alignment, or I
should say the disalignment,between where I was morphing
(05:43):
into and my job which, by theway, it was a great job it
treated me very well Again, nodisrespect to either of my
employers and either of mycareers.
But it was pretty much righthere, like it was steadfast and
I was growing and expanding andas time went up, there was the
separation, and so walking awayfrom my second career was much
more.
I was much more driven, I wasmuch more focused.
(06:05):
This wasn't me stepping awayfrom a career, it was stepping
into who I am, and so I use thisword, alignment, a lot.
I was disaligned.
To answer your question plain,it was because of disalignment,
and so I love that word, becausenow I feel like what I am doing
and who I'm becoming is nowaligned and it's so fun and
scary and amazing and scares thecrap out of you and it's all of
(06:30):
it.
But this is the game that I'vechosen.
And so what am I going to do?
Go back?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Right.
And again, that's not that's nodisrespect to my employer, but
once you've tasted a taste ofwho you are and what comes of
that.
And again, it's not just aboutmoney, but the truth is that I'm
making more money than I wasmaking in any of my careers
easily, and so that's coming asa result of alignment.
That's coming as a result ofstepping into and was there fear
(07:03):
and jumps and leaps and doubledowns and investments All of
them but that's what createsthat life and alignment that I
think so many people are lookingfor.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Beautiful.
So, leading to the period ofcareer is you completely changed
your life and nutrition.
So what would you say?
The first few monthspost-reanimation?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The first few months after I quit my job.
Well, the first thing I did anda lot of people when they quit
a W-2 job, especially, like forme I was 45 years old at the
time, had four kids, one incomefamily, and so when I quit my
job, a lot of people they'llimmediately go into like
(07:46):
survival mode, where now theystart reclusing, where now they
actually hold on tighter.
And for me, I just immediatelylike I had kind of gotten the
mindset.
By the way, I'm a guy this istrue Three and a half years ago
I wouldn't buy a $20 book.
Like I never went toconferences and you laugh,
(08:07):
that's true I would never like.
If there was a coaching programout there or a community that
was, you know, an app, if it washonestly like 50, a hundred
dollars, I couldn't wrap my, Icouldn't wrap my brain spending
a hundred dollars a month onsomething that maybe helped me
see something I didn't see.
Right Now, I had overcome thatby the time I quit my job, right
(08:30):
, that's, by the way.
That's how I got to the pointwhere I did quit my job is
because I was evolving in mymind, I was opening my mind to
new ideas and I understood thatlike, for me to get there, I'm
going to have to, like, investin how I think, and so that's
going to take me investing inother people, right?
So as soon as I quit my job, Istarted writing like four and
five figure checks.
I had just committed to writinga book a month prior.
(08:52):
You know, I self-published thebook and, uh, you know, but,
dude, you want to self-publish abook.
It costs money, by the way.
Just newsflash, if anybodywants to write a book out there,
this is like, unless you'regetting a book deal which I
(09:12):
didn't, at least not yet thiscosts you money.
So I wrote a five-figure checklike the week after I quit my
job.
I immediately doubled down oncoaching.
I immediately cranked that up.
I was spending at that timefour figures, like multiple four
figures a month, coaching,consulting, feeding in.
It seemed like every otherTuesday I always joke.
It wasn't like a normal Tuesdayunless I was writing like a
$1,000 or $2,000 check.
I was having to buy inventoryfor books.
(09:32):
I was now an upcoming author,so I needed books on hand.
I did a big launch party here inrural Minnesota.
I had $2,000 worth of books onthe table.
I had food.
We threw a party.
It was on my 46th birthday.
I brought in a DJ, a smokemachine, photographer, photo
wall.
I mean, that party cost me 10grand and this was all in
(09:57):
self-employment world, right.
But now I look back and I'mhaving a phenomenal 2025.
It was because of all theenergy input back there, right,
like there's a lag.
What people have to understandis like sometimes those seeds
don't come to fruition rightaway.
It's not a one-to-one ratio.
(10:17):
You plant a seed, you eat thefruit the next day.
It's coming, it is coming, butit might not be the next day,
and that's, I think, where a lotof people don't take it to the
next level, because they can't.
The fear is too great to plantthe seed and keep watering, and
keep watering until that thatseed actually produces a harvest
(10:38):
.
You know what I'm?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
saying Absolutely.
I think that's actually thephase I'm in.
I've planted a lot of seeds but, I, have not yet seen that
uptick, and so you get thatoutside appearance.
What are you doing?
And it's just like no, I knowthe vision, I know what I'm
creating and it's being built.
Trust me on that but right nowit definitely looks crazier from
(11:01):
the outside looking in.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
By the way, sorry to interrupt, I had a lot of people
being like what are you doing?
But they didn't see what I sawright.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You didn't have your gossip.
That's trap, kill.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Correct, and that's also too like that's.
We do live in a cause andeffect world.
I mentioned this in my book.
We live in a cause and effectworld.
You reap what you sow.
When A happens, b happens.
But we have this peculiar thingcalled time, and time smears
reality, because time stretchesout the point between cause and
(11:33):
effect.
That's where most people don'tever get to that next level,
because the fear overcomes thembefore the fruit gets harvested
and they continue to water it.
You know what I'm saying?
And so that's a lens, that's aset of glasses you've got to
look at your life at in that way.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All right.
So what would you say to peoplewho feel like they have that
nudge for more, but they'recontinuing to postpone the
auction or, as you would haveput it, continuing to live for a
while?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Poof-da, or, as you would have put it, continuing to
live for a while.
Poofta, I go back all the time,in fact, people that have been
with me on my journey for a longtime.
I'm like what is something Icould have done or said to
myself that would have gotten meto this point faster, myself,
(12:29):
that would have gotten me tothis point faster?
And what I have landed on isthat you have to be ready.
There's an old adage that sayswhen the student is ready, the
teacher appears.
The truth is is that there wereteachers all around me.
They were in my circles, theinformation was there.
What's the problem?
I wasn't ready.
The heart was not fertile soilfor that information, that
(12:50):
energy to land on, so to speak.
So what made me ready?
I talk about in the firstchapter of my book.
I call it the flight pullmoment.
It happened right on a road Forthose of you not watching this
but listening, I'm pointing butthere's a little road right down
from where I'm sitting rightnow, from where I live in rural
Minnesota, and I went on a walkwith my wife on New Year's Day
(13:12):
2022, again coming out of COVIDtwo very dark years for me
Because, remember, I was playingdefense my whole life.
I was in a defensive postureand if you remember back then,
everything that you heard, saw,smelled and tasted was all
negative, and I was that waslove.
All of it, my whole mental realestate was just tied up in the
(13:34):
negative.
And I was 43 at the time.
I was capped in my career, Iwas capped in my income and I
made a decision on that road.
No kidding, I said to my wifeI'm done playing defense.
This is what I said.
I didn't know exactly what Iwas articulating at the time,
but I said I'm done playingdefense, I'm ready to play
offense.
(13:54):
And what was interesting backthen, I was on Facebook.
I've had my identity stolensince then, so I'm not on
Facebook anymore.
I can't, they won't let me backon, but I follow people on
Facebook.
99% of people on Facebook weretalking about all the BS.
It was all negative, lowfrequency BS, political talk,
arguing, all the talk, vaccines,masks, the whole.
Everything that we hatedarguing about was everything
(14:16):
back then.
But what I noticed, there waslike 1% of people that were
talking about growth,opportunity, business expansion
and no kidding, anita, I said tomy wife on that walk I go
whatever the crap they're doingor whatever they're thinking.
(14:39):
I need to figure this.
I need to think the way theythink, whatever they're doing.
That's what I want to do andthis is a true story.
There was only one guy in mycircle that thought like that
Many of them were like otherinfluencers and I had no access
to them, right?
But there was one guy.
His name's Tim and he's abusiness owner.
(14:59):
He's from my hometown and hespoke a different language.
And I reached out to Tim likethat day and I was like dude, if
you give me a half hour in thefall, I'd love to just like chat
.
And sure enough, he took me upon the offer.
We chatted the next day, whichwas like January 2nd 2022.
And he started recommendingbooks and he started.
He was the first person to showme that there's a different way
(15:21):
and that was kind of thebeginning.
So, to answer your question,what should people do?
You've got to decide, you haveto decide.
It's kind of like I'm olderthan you, but it's like our dads
would always say you got to besick and tired of being sick and
tired.
It's kind of a boomer statement.
It's kind of true Like you haveto decide, that you've had
(15:46):
enough.
And when you decide, somethingin the spiritual happens, I
believe, like, like there's asaying, too that says there's
nothing more powerful than aperson who's made up their mind.
When you make up your mind,it's going to be different.
You have decided which.
By the way, the root word ofdecide is side C, I DI-D-E.
It means to kill, cut off anddestroy.
(16:07):
When you kill, cut off anddestroy the old way of doing
something, you then will becomealigned in your heart, in your
mind, in the spiritual, and thenthere will be some clarity.
That will come once you takeaction.
You have to start taking action.
So you have to start with adecision and then you have to
start dipping your toe in.
(16:27):
And I would challenge you don'tjust dip your toe in, really
try something, really believe it.
Yeah, but it's not perfect andI don't know Exactly.
You won't know because you'renot an expanded enough version
of yourself to understand whatthat thing is.
But you will get there if youtake the action.
So all of that was introduction, to say you have to decide and
then you have to take action onit.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I haven't even challenged full action Exactly.
Whatever you think is not thething you should do is the thing
you should do, because I'mfinding that, even with the way
I'm growing up as podcasts, it'slike the people I'm like, oh,
shouldn't have done that.
But when I do ask it, they'relike, oh, yes, or I settle on
(17:08):
that now, but a lot of timesit's like yes, and had I not
asked an answer?
What of a no?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
so it's like just take the bold action, even if it
by comfortable just do dosomething again for me buying
the book reaching out to theperson going to the conference,
buying the book reaching out tothe person going to the
conference just start saying yes.
I was always a no person.
I was going to win by not doinganything and not taking action.
(17:35):
I was going to win by playingdefense and I just told myself
I'm going to start saying yes.
And so I started saying yes in2022.
And I said yes to some dumbstuff.
Dumb stuff.
And you know what I learnedfrom that.
I started like signing up forlike here's the thing.
I'll just rewind the tape.
You didn't ask me a question.
I'm going to give you the.
I just wanted to make money,cause I thought if I made money,
like all my fears will go away.
So I started signing up forprograms that were not even in
(17:59):
close to alignment to who I was.
But I you know what I get, my.
I give that guy a lot of credit.
He started saying yes.
He started shelling out moneywhen he never did it before, to
pursue something so he couldbecome something different.
It turned out those things werenot it and, by the way, when
you start taking action withthings that are out of alignment
, you won't get anywhere.
It will be drudgery, therewon't be alignment there.
(18:23):
But that showed me that now,going into 2023, the year after
I'm going to make some boldmoves, I'm going to make some
investments, I'm going to sayyes, but I'm going to make sure
that it's more in alignment.
Well then, going into 2024,then it was like the clarity
came right and now I'm takingaction.
Well then, here we are in 2025.
Now there's not only alignment,but momentum.
(18:48):
Well, it took that action backthere that cost me money, or it
kind of took me down a path.
By the way, stop worrying.
Is it should I do this orshould I do this?
Pick one, pick one.
And, by the way, you have theability to decide which one's
right.
People live in this dichotomy.
(19:10):
I could pursue this business orI could pursue this.
Which one should I do?
You've already created the mindspace that one is right and one
is wrong.
They're both right, and they'reright because you choose that
it's correct, and whether itturns into a thriving career or
something that you walk awayfrom, do something and you pivot
(19:30):
in three months, it doesn'tmatter, because you've assigned
it value, that it is indeed theright decision.
So get out of this mindset.
I think a lot of people to yourpoint.
They don't make the move, theydon't take that next step
because they're sitting in thevalley of decision trying to
waffle around.
Is it the right move?
What should I do?
It's too scary.
Just pick one, but go into it,the mindset it is the right
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decision and you can alwayspivot.
You can always pivot.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So what are some subtle signs that someone is not
just being deferred, butthey're also kind of you know
they're deferring who they'rebecoming.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The essence of life undeferred is that we don't wait
, we don't waste time.
For 43 years, I felt like Ideferred life right, like it was
always.
Someday, when you have thissomeday mentality, like you know
, I'm going to do this and thenin 2026, I'll do this, and I'm
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not suggesting you don't havegoals and a vision, but, like
when we're always deferring life, tears will be some signs.
Every year will kind of lookthe same you know what I mean.
Like it's kind of play repeat,like if you're honest, you're
not that much different than youwere last year.
You should be unrecognizableyear to year.
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You should almost berecognizable quarter to quarter.
If you're really, if you'rereally growing and expanding,
you are a much more evolved selfthan you were a quarter ago.
So do an inventory.
Look at your life, look at howyou think, look at the books
you're reading, look at how youlook at your life, your marriage
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, your job, your money, youraspirations, your abilities, and
take some serious inventory.
Are they pretty much where theywere last year?
If so, you're probably livinglife deferred.
Here's another good one You'renot failing but you're not
striving, and that's kind ofwhere you've been sitting and
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while your life isn't likefloating in the gutter, and
while your life isn't likefloating in the gutter, you're
also acutely aware that there'smore and, if you're really
honest with yourself, it bothersyou a little bit.
What was really haunting me?
Before I kind of reinventedmyself, I would pace around my
house I could not tell you howmany nights I would lie awake
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not sleeping, pacing around thehouse trying to articulate to my
wife what's really going on,and she's like so you're worried
about money and I'm like it'snot about money.
You know what it was Alignment.
It was my soul craving out formore.
It wants more.
That's what your soul hascreated.
It's created to grow and expandand connect.
My soul was craving more.
I didn't know how to articulateit at the time, but again, to
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answer your question, how doessomebody know if they're living
life deferred?
If you're really honest, yoursoul is crying for more and it
will come out as discontentment,it will come out as anxiety, it
will come off as antsiness,it'll come off as like I go to
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my job and you have to sellyourself on your own BS.
You have to sell yourself.
You know, I'm 46 years old, I'mmaking six figures.
Yeah, it's not a perfect job.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But we have to like sell ourselves on the idea of
staying in it.
If you ever have to sellyourself to stay in a mediocre
situation, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding probably a pretty
good sign.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I love that and I can totally relate to everything
you were just saying.
So to dive into the next one,you say we must shift from
chasing success to becoming it.
Can you unpack that for us?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It's one of my favorite words becoming right.
We're not in the business ofchasing shiny objects.
Shiny objects don't bring usthe fulfillment and the peace
that we long for.
Can we agree on that 100%?
You know what does BecomingRight, and so when I was caught
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in defense and fear, lack andscarcity with this you know very
limited mindset I just thoughtchasing a shiny object was going
to be the thing, right.
That's why.
That's why I was like you knowwhat's, what's the fastest way
to get rich quick?
Like, how can I learn some sortof skill just to make money?
And A, it never come to.
It never came to fruitionbecause it was out of alignment.
B.
I think that that was actuallyGod's mercy and compassion not
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letting that come to fruitionbecause ultimately, the things
don't make us happy.
It's the evolution of our soulthat makes us happy.
So this idea of becoming isreally what it's all about.
When I coach people, yeah, wetalk about tactics and
strategies, but really what I'mtrying to make people do is to
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evolve into who they want tobecome.
When I'm on stage, I'll share.
From stage I'll say hey, youknow what I know.
I'm here to talk for an hourand I'm up here kind of dancing
around.
I'm entertaining and I'll telljokes and I go.
Here's a dirty little secret ofwhat I'm trying to do I'm
trying to get you to believesomething about your life that
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you don't actually believe istrue.
Because if I can do that, Iwon't have to worry about what
happens when we walk out of here, because you will see something
that's true about yourself thatyou didn't see before, and then
that will actually expand youinto the next level.
You will start to actuallybecome who you were created to
become.
That's our default setting.
Our default setting is to bethe person that we were created
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to be.
Why don't we do that?
Well, trauma lies, societalpressures, templates.
We feel that we need to fitinto right All of the above
Things that we say to ourselves,right, and so how do we
eliminate those things so we canthen become the person we were
(25:39):
destined to be?
So, yeah, this whole idea ofbecoming is.
It's very powerful to me and,again, if I've done anything
right air quotes I've got out ofmy own way and very, very
diligently, aggressively andintentionally tried to unwind
this thing after 43 years ofwinding up, unwind it and
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actually learn what the truth isso then I can open up my soul
into becoming who I was createdto be.
What are we searching for?
I think, if we're all honest,you know what we want.
We want peace.
That was the number one thingon my whiteboard the last two
years of who do I want to becomethis year?
I want to become a person ofpeace.
Making more money doesn'tnecessarily bring you more peace
(26:23):
.
You know what brings you peaceAlignment, becoming, stepping
into I've now stepped intoentrepreneurship full-time in
the last calendar year.
It's scary as hell becausethere's no guarantees, right,
I've got to go kill it and dragit home.
I don't eat.
That's scary.
Ironically ironically, eventhough there's all this
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uncertainty, air quotes, Iactually have more peace now
than I've ever experiencedbefore.
Not because my world is so safe, it's because I'm stepping into
this idea of becoming so.
Yeah, I love that word, man.
I preach that word all the time.
By the way, the phrase fake ittill you make it.
I don't care for that phrase,but I heard and I should be able
(27:09):
to regurgitate who originallysaid it.
I cannot think of the person'sname, so I apologize if you're
listening, but she said it in aTEDx talk.
She said you fake it till youbecome it.
I love that because can we saythings about our life, can we do
self-talk, meditations, prayers, disciplines that we really
don't believe yet, but if we dothem or say them enough, we
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actually embodiment.
So again I tie that wordbecoming to the word embodiment.
Who do you want to become?
Start to embody that person now.
Don't wait, don't defer.
Become them now.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I love that.
That's actually one of thepillars that's on her method
that I call.
That is the first herb is heal.
Second part is embody, and thenthe third is finally rising to
that next level.
So I'm all about embodying, andhow do we make that gap of who
we want to be versus who we arenow match.
I love that.
(28:06):
I love it.
What role has pressure playedfor you in your own life and how
do you now view it?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Pressure points Is that what you said?
Pressure, pressure, oh gosh,what own life, and how do you
now view it?
Pressure points is that whatyou said?
Pressure, oh gosh.
You have like a love haterelationship with pressure,
right.
So again, if you're searchingfor safety, you'll never, you'll
never seek out pressure, you'llhate pressure.
And I'm learning, I'm trainingmy body slowly, my mind and my
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body, my mind, my thoughts, myactions, my emotions, to
actually like that.
When I look at my calendar, Iwake up and I look at what I got
on the books for today.
Hopefully I've got some thingsthat are going to make me have
to rise to the occasion.
Right, and there's pressurethere.
I do a lot of speaking and Iteach public speaking.
I teach technique.
That's one of my offerings,just because I was coached so
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much as the talent.
I was a TV weatherman, so I wastalent, and so our stations
would spend money and they wouldcoach and consult us, and so
I'm able to teach that to otherpeople.
Right, and people always ask medo you ever get nervous?
You ever get nervous?
I'm like I get nervous everysingle time.
I don't care who I'm talking to, and they're like for real and
I'm like well, I'm not nervous,but I feel the levity of the
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situation.
You should be, you should befeeling that and I would.
I would say often, like if youlook at your schedule or you
just do an inventory of yourlife in the last week, two weeks
, and you haven't really been ina situation where you felt any
real pressure, you are notpushing hard enough at all.
Pressure really is that portaland I've been saying this
(29:49):
jokingly, but I'm like itactually is true Like again,
pre-reinvention, I wanted myemotions to be a zero out of 10.
I didn't ever want to spiritlike I was raised in chaos and
dysfunction and uncertainty.
So I want, I want chill all thetime.
And now, if my emotions arelike 50% excitement, because we
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should be excited about thethings that we're working on,
our collaborations, our projects, the work that we're doing, we
should be excited.
But there also should be like50% like holy crap, what am I
getting myself into?
That's actually to me, that'sthe right ratio 50-50 excitement
versus like oh crap, it's notfriction, it's not stress, it's
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not stress, it is somethingdifferent, it's something.
That's something that, thatfeeling, I get in my chest,
where I've got to rise to thisoccasion, so I have a love-hate
relationship with it.
I'm learning to love it, though.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
He's a dying man, then what's the one core belief
you have to break in order to beright when this person is
lethal?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What's the current, what's the one core belief
you're going to have to break inorder to be right once this
person is left?
What's the current?
What's the one thing I have tobreak?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
No, what's one core belief you're going to have to
break.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Had to break to rise to my next level.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, to this level.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
To this level.
Yep, I had to level.
Yep, I had to.
One of the.
Remember when I like back in2022, 2023, I was like starting
to read books, one of myfavorite books by one of my
favorite authors he's probablywatching Garrett Gunderson.
Garrett Gunderson wrote anumber of books.
(31:32):
He wrote a book called KillingSacred Cows, and Killing Sacred
Cows is a financial book.
It's like here's like nine Ithink it's nine myths that
people believe about money thatare completely wrong.
Now I read the books.
I found him intriguing Also too,by the way, I was working in
the financial world at the timeand the nine myths that he was
busting were true.
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It was like it was everythingthat I was taught to believe
about money.
But in the very first chapter,he talks about lack and scarcity
, and I had never I never heardthat language before but his I
think it's the.
(32:13):
It's titled there's enough piefor everybody.
I'm butchering that, but it's.
I'm close.
Basically, he's like we have toget out of this idea that
there's only so much.
Right.
The truth is is that there'sinfinite.
There is no lack for anybody.
Everybody can have an infiniteamount of pie if they want.
If you're stuck in lack,there's only.
(32:34):
Well, that's the way I'd liveforever.
Right, I was a hoarder, like Idon't mean like a literal
hoarder like you watch on A&E,you know on that show but like
I'd hoard money because I alwayslived in lack.
Everything had a price tag.
I hated spending money.
I still do a little bit to thisday, but a heck of a lot less
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than what I did before.
I hated spending any moneybecause if that money is gone,
if that money is gone, it's goneand it cannot come back.
So the biggest one for me thatI had to break was that there's
enough.
I have no lack.
By the way, if you happen toknow my story, read my book.
Every morning I go for a morninggratitude walk, and there are
four specific things that I sayduring my morning gratitude walk
.
One of the four is that I lacknothing.
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There's nothing I lack, andthat postures me in a position
where there is nothing butfullness, abundance and infinite
resources for me to tap into atany given time, and the world
is working for me, not againstme.
So that mindset, that shift,that this idea of like and, by
the way, it still shows up Everyonce in a while I go through a
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season or a day or a moment, andthat lack wants to bubble up
and I have to remind myselfthere is no lack, I lack nothing
and ironically, it's when I'mgoing through seasons of growth
that I feel the most lack, whichis ironic, you know.
We could dissect that.
Why does that happen?
But to answer your question,this idea there is no lack,
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there is infinite pie foreverybody.
I need to Google search thefirst chapter.
We should do that really quick.
What's chapter?
What is chapter one called inGarrett Gunderson's book?
It has something to do with pieand the fact that there's pi
for everybody.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I will add it to the show.
Put that in the show notes foreverybody.
Okay, but you work with a lotof pi achievers who feel
misaligned.
What would you say is an earlysign of a burnout that you
helped them identify.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
A sign of burnout.
They are spending their timewith misaligned tasks.
I got off the phone yesterdaywith a young lady.
She is a holistic health coach.
She is so smart and she is soburnt out and within a short
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amount of time on the phone wewere able to really I was able
to help her see something shealready knew but re-energized
her because she knows there's somuch more and she wants to help
the world in so many ways andshe has the full ability to do
it.
But she was spending so muchtime doing tasks and being a
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person or business that does notalign with her highest self
which, by the way, that's thefastest way to burn out.
Spend a lot of time withmisaligned tasks.
By the way, that's why mostpeople don't like their jobs
because they're in a misalignedstate.
There's nothing wrong with thejob.
I'm not I'm never poo-pooing aW-2 job.
(35:43):
What I poo-poo is a W-2 jobthat is not in alignment with
who you are.
Does that make sense?
You're spending so much time,effort and energy and bandwidth
on something that isn'talignment with your soul and or
the growth and trajectory thatyou were destined to be on.
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So it's pretty easy when youhave a high achiever who should
be like cranking, but they'restuck in here, okay.
So how are you spending yourtime?
Where's your bandwidth going?
Where does your mind go?
And, by the way, you probablyknow this, but as soon as a high
achiever gets sucked down inthese like lower frequency tasks
that are misaligned, boom, yourwillpower and your desire goes
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out the window.
The lack comes in.
So then you're questioningyourself and your ego's flaring
up.
It's like the perfect storm.
And it's no wonder.
I mean, I have a veryunscientific theory, but and
again with all due respect, Ithink most people 90 plus
percent of people they neverreach even level two, forget
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level five and 10.
They're just kind of.
Again, they're not living badlives, they're not hurting
anybody, but there's so muchmore because we're just living a
misaligned life.
So high achievers that areburnt out, it's because they're
misaligned.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I love how this conversation has literally gone
into the direction of like youroutcomes of how you're living
your life, your outcomes of howyou're living your life.
We feel that dissatisfaction isfrom the lack of alignment,
because I feel like so manytimes it's so easy to get the
blinders on, especially not W2life Not that I'm shitting on it
(37:27):
, but like you get that blinderson of.
Like this looks good on paperbut my soul is really craving
and crawling out for more.
Why am I not living the waythat I should be?
Why am I not challenged in theway that I should be?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
So then, how do you to your question a couple of
minutes ago.
So then, how do you coursecorrect, decide, take action,
but warning, you better have theyou know what's to handle, what
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you courage and desire and gutsto do it.
And that's what separates a lotof people.
(38:26):
They don't have that fervor,the audacity to take that to the
next level, even if they knowthat they're living in mediocre
land, or life deferred mode as Iwould call it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You've already touched on this, but after
releasing your book and steppinginto the more of a public eye,
you experienced your identitydeath.
How did that impact you, notjust logisticallyistically but
emotionally and spiritually,especially during such a
defining moment in your groovyyeah, it sucked.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, was that you want more?
Yeah, I mean, I I'll give youthe cliff notes.
But yeah, after launching mybook, you know, had a massive
wave of momentum online.
By the way, I live online.
I make my money by makingconnections online, you know.
I mean, I have a virtualbusiness, so I live online and
had this massive wave ofmomentum after I launched my
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book, which was the point, andtwo weeks to the day later, I
got my identity stolen and itwas like the full-fledged, like
10 out of 10 type of identitytheft.
You know, like social mediaaccounts are hacked, identity
money stolen, and it happenedthroughout the course of the day
.
I can honestly say and I'm nottrying to over dramatize this
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probably one of the worst daysof my life, because it was so.
If you ever had your identitystolen, it's, it's demoralizing
because you feel so gross,because you're stolen from
people and there's nothing youcan stop and your phone is
dinging with alerts and youcan't move as fast as what it's
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moving.
So it was scary, spent prettymuch the second half of that day
canceling credit cards, bankaccounts, putting a hold on my
identity, and you know it wasDecember and I live in Minnesota
and it's dark, it's justphysically dark in Minnesota and
that was just such a darkperiod and certainly a dark day.
(40:31):
I did not sleep at all thatnight, not that and, by the way,
just newsflash.
Everything has been recovered,except for my Facebook.
I still can't find it.
If you find it, let me know,because I still cannot find it.
I think it's deleted.
By the way, there is one of myaccounts floating out there.
That's not me, don't respond tothat.
But I did not sleep at all thatnight, pondering what am I
(40:55):
going to do?
And a mutual friend of ours,craig Siegel.
I got him on the phone thatmorning.
He was the first person Italked to after kind of the dust
settled and he just said thisis going to be the best thing
that ever happens to you and hesaid it with such conviction.
Some coaches and people they'relike what do I got to tell this
guy, even if it's a lie, justto make him feel better.
(41:18):
We say that right, somebodyclose to you dies and it's like
you know she's in a better place.
Everything happens for a reason.
We come up with these clichesright, and I'm not a fan of
cliches, even though there aretruth in them.
But you know he said he goes.
We will laugh about thissomeday, not today, not tomorrow
.
Be honored that this happened.
(41:40):
We should be flattered by ourchallenges that God would trust
us enough to release this intoour movies, right?
He said, don't panic, mind you,I play defense, right?
So, like I was alreadypanicking, I was already trying
to think of you know how I wasgoing to.
You know, get on my wife'sFacebook and we're going to find
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these people Because I lived insuch lack.
This is lack Every moment thatgoes by that I'm not on social
media pushing my brand.
Think of my momentum as aneedle, like the momentum's way
here.
Every moment that goes by,what's happening to my momentum?
It's getting less right, and sothe panic, moment to moment,
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was increasing that like I'menvisioning myself days going by
, I don't have this and noweverything I've built is now
it's gone.
Newsflash when the light shinesin your life, it cannot be
extinguished.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm not big enough.
Identity thieves aren't bigenough to extinguish something
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as powerful as the light shiningthrough a soul.
You know what I mean.
I didn't understand that at thetime and you know I took Craig's
advice, I didn't panic, I satin it and that was one of the
most uncomfortable months.
I mean, if you this is truestory If you look at my phone,
there's a massive gap fromDecember 3rd till like mid
(43:09):
January, like four.
I only took like four picturesCause I was, I wasn't like
depressed, I just I only tooklike four pictures because I was
.
I wasn't like depressed, I justI was just in a holding pattern
, just let.
I was letting that thing justmarinate and I was kind of
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intentionally just wanting tofeel it.
I wanted to feel the feels andlet that lesson just do its work
.
Now, when I say I didn't doanything, the truth is I did do
a lot.
I got on the phone, I startedreaching out to people in my
contacts hey, it's the turn ofthe year, I would love to come
in and do a seminar, could Icome and speak to your employees
?
And I started drumming upbusiness without my social media
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accounts.
I had LinkedIn, that was it.
Social media accounts, I hadLinkedIn, that was it.
And you know, came into areally, really hot January, like
produced a lot of business withnot a lot of social media
presence, and I was like huh andit had a lot of impact.
And then that led into aspectacular February Bam back on
(44:11):
Instagram, okay, cool, had amonster March and then had this
bus game of April.
By the way, back in January, Ihad no income on the books for
April at the time and my incomein April went 2X my biggest
month at that point.
And so I'm like huh, and so Ican say now with 100% certainty
(44:35):
that that was the best thingthat ever happened to me,
because it produced in my soulwhat was necessary for me to
receive, that which was waitingfor me right.
And so I look at stuff likethis way differently.
I I'm a christian.
I don't know where people standin faith, which is totally fine
, fine, but I hang aroundChristian circles and I had a
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lot of Christians.
I got to tell you I had a lotof Christians when I got my
identity stolen.
They're like, oh, the devil'strying to take it away from you,
satan's coming after you, and Ican just tell you that wasn't
the devil, that was the divine.
The devil, that was the divineHandpicking that particular
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challenge at the exact righttime so then I could receive and
become the person that I neededto become in 2025.
So I'm so thankful that thathappened.
We're sitting here at themidpoint of the year.
I'm so thankful that thathappened.
It sucked, but I'm so thankfulthat it happened.
So I just have a different tunetowards things that are very
painful.
I'll just share this personally.
(45:41):
I lost my mother earlier thisyear, on March 16th.
I lost my mom and it did notcome as a surprise, but it's
still difficult when you lose aparent, and, as heartbreaking as
it was, I was like and you know, as heartbreaking as it was, I
was like.
This is confirmation that thejourney I'm on is the one that
we have just truly scratched thesurface, and I'll share this
(46:02):
very, very personally.
Two weeks ago today, at therecording of this podcast, I
lost my brother.
He started drinking veryheavily again after our mother
passed and he passed, mostlikely due to toxic substances
in his body, and so I've losthalf my family in the last three
months.
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Heartbroken, sad, absolutely.
What an opportunity.
What is this going to do If Iwant to take people deep?
By the way, we are in thebusiness of taking people deep,
so if I want to take people deep, I've got to go to the depths.
So I felt honored sad that mybrother passed, sad that my mom
passed, but honored, honoredthat my creator would release us
(46:46):
into my movie, not to kill me,not to break me, but to create
the breakthrough that I need.
So then I can take that to theworld, the breakthrough that I
need.
So then I can take that to theworld.
So do you have the audacitythis goes to you and everybody
listening Do you have theaudacity to look at your life
that way?
Because that's what it's goingto take.
It'll take an audacious type ofmindset and consciousness to
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view the most painful things asthat opportunity.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Beautiful.
I just personally want tocommend you because there's not
a lot of souls who can actuallycome through these experiences
and really look at it from thisperspective of not letting this
break.
But let me see how deep I cango.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
And also I totally am with you on the whole Christian
mentality that would have beenthe devil's call is coming for
you.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Coming for you.
I mean, how are you supposed tothrive?
I'm not challenging anybody'stheology here, but if you truly
live, because a lot ofChristians and again I hang out
I'm in that camp, just a headsup.
But if you truly live, if youtruly think I hear a lot of
Christians say this and I'm notjust picking on Christians,
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don't hear me wrong but like theworld's going to heck in a
handbasket and society's down inthe toilet.
And here's the deal.
It probably is, I don't know,but why would I?
Why would I live in that?
Why would I choose to live inthat mind space?
Whether it is, it isn't God'sdivine, I don't even know.
Who do we really know?
(48:25):
But you know what I'm going to,no matter what's happening out
there and I'm pointing to theworld I'm going to choose to
live that.
The world's happening for me,the things that are happening.
There is no chaos, there is nohappenstance, there's nothing
that is not divinely releasedinto my movie with precise,
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precise, laser-focused precision.
So when I have that mindset andthen the storms come, they
propel me.
But if my mindset is theworld's going to hell in a
handbasket and the devil ownshis world, well, how the hell.
Am I supposed to thrive in aworld that's like that?
I don't know.
Just something to consider.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
So what do you hope you leave?
Your kids learning Chrissy,what life here, they think and
leaving.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
We have some very deep talks.
You know, my biggest thing is Ihope that they never hold back,
that there is no lack.
I have.
We have.
This is a very high levelconversation.
I have these high levelconversations with them all the
time, and, you know, I ask mykids, you know, who do you want
to become?
You know not just what do youwant to do, what do you want to
do when you grow up?
That's fine, but who do youwant to be?
(49:40):
That's fine, but who do youwant to be.
And so, man, you know, if, ifI'm gone someday and they look
back and they're like their dadwas relentlessly pursuing more,
not more money or stuff, butlike pursuing more of who he was
supposed to be, connection withhis creator and stepping into
that, that would be.
That would be what I want totransfer, though, okay, so
(50:02):
throwing it back.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
If you're 25 year old self.
Where do you think today, whatdo you think you would surprise
him the most?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
if I could talk to my 25 year old self, or if if he
heard you speaking having all hewouldn't know what that guy's
talking about, which a lot of alot of people say they're like
oh man, I wish I could go backand tell myself this 25 years
ago.
It wouldn't make any sensebecause that that evolved person
, where where he or she was atthat time, wouldn't understand
(50:32):
this.
You know what I mean.
That's why, like, I don't gettoo caught up in like the some
people are all about like are wegoing to make 10, 20 year goals
?
Like 10 year goals, like youwon't eat.
Even five years, I won't eat, Iwon't recognize myself in a
year.
So how am I supposed to?
How am I supposed to understandthat?
(50:54):
Right, so I would love to goback to my 25 year old self and
be like take more chances, don'tlive in lack, stop like, stop
living in scarcity.
But I got to tell you I knewthat guy because I used to be
him.
He wouldn't have understood it.
He would not have understoodthat.
That's why it's so fun when Ihave conversations with
17-year-olds, 18-year-olds,20-year-olds about these things
(51:16):
and they actually get it.
I'm like oh, wow, like you willblow up because by the time
you're my age, you've got 25years of evolving into abundance
and and limitless thinkingwhole, you will be leaps and
bounds above where I am nowRight.
I mean and, by the way, as youknow this, the trajectory when
(51:38):
you start to really get a wrapyour brain.
The trajectory is not linear.
It's right.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
So I would love to go talk to him, talk to that guy,
but I don't think he wouldlisten to what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Fair enough.
If there's a woman listening tome who's knowing she's met for
more, what's the one thing youtell her to do this week?
Speaker 3 (52:05):
I would say be very, very.
Take heavy inventory of whatyou're doing and who you are and
stop doing things that are notin alignment.
Stop pretending that you'resomebody you're not.
Where are you pretending andwhat are you tolerating that
(52:32):
isn't in alignment with yourhigher self, and then she will
most likely rebuttal well, yeah,but then I got to clean up this
mess, this mess and this mess,and then I will do that.
And then you and I will say no,no, no, no, no.
You do that now.
So go through your laundry listof all the things that you need
to fix and all of your issues,using air quotes.
(52:55):
Who is that person that, whenall of those problems are fixed,
I'm this person down here.
All of those problems are fixed.
I'm this person down here.
Here's the magic, here's thecheat code you just embody that
person.
Now, you make decisions as thatperson.
Now you put on that crown.
Now.
You don't wait, you don't needvalidation, you just do it.
(53:20):
And I got to tell you I've hadthis conversation with young
ladies because, again, I'm partof groups and you know what they
say.
When I tell them this, they'relike well, how do I do that?
I'm like that's a reallyfreaking good question.
You figure that out.
What does it look like for youto embody that person?
I can't answer that for you and, again, it takes a ton of
awareness and it takes audacityto actually do it.
(53:41):
What if you just showed up asthat person?
What if you just cut ties,decide, decide, cut off, kill
and destroy the things that areno longer honoring your higher
self?
What would happen?
What would happen?
Well, as you know, the worldand the universe and people
around you would start toactually prove you correct and
(54:01):
actually validate that which youchose, not vice versa, which is
where many people not women,I'm picking on women- sit
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
So where can our listeners go to experience the
podcast keynotes and programs?
I will be leaving everything inthe show notes, but how do you
prefer them to act in?
Speaker 3 (54:21):
I live on Instagram and LinkedIn.
Again, if you find my Facebookpage, please let me know and in
my podcast, the BreakthroughEffect, which is just getting
started, which is a lot of funto produce, and if you liked
anything by which we talkedabout here today, you're going
to love the podcast as well theBreakthrough Effect, itunes, all
major podcasting platforms.
And make sure you check out mywebsite, jaredsebestacom that's
(54:43):
just my name, jaredsebestacom.
I'm always doing classes.
By the way you, you justrecently logged onto one of my
free classes.
I do classes about everyquarter courses, all sorts of
fun stuff, so I've got tons offree resources on my website.
Uh, go check it out and makesure you check out the podcast.
And, yeah, that's, that's thebest way.
If I get back on Facebook, I'llmake an announcement, but until
then, instagram and LinkedIn.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
And I'm going to hit you as quick.
Fire round real quick.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
So what's your current mantra?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
My current mantra.
This is the first sentence Isay when I walk out the door on
my morning gratitude walk thisis the best day of my life.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Lonely A book that changed your life.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Oh man, there's so many Killing Sacred Cows by
Garrett Gunderson was phenomenal.
The Gap in the Game by DrBenjamin Hardy.
Become your Future Self by DrBenjamin Hardy a bombshell of a
book.
I highly recommend that toeverybody.
The very first book I read nokidding when I decided was Tim
Ferriss' book the Four-HourWorkweek.
That was the first book that Iread.
(55:48):
That instilled in me adifferent way.
I read that book and I was soexcited and I was depressed.
I was fricking excited but Iwas so fricking depressed
because I was like gosh.
I am so stuck but yet soexhilarated because it showed me
that there's a different way.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Beautiful.
And what's your dailynon-negotiable outside of your
morning gratitude walks?
Speaker 3 (56:13):
My daily routine or daily thing.
Non-negotiable, non-negotiable.
I have to move my body.
I just I have to.
I will go bananas.
Sitting around all day soundslike paradise for some people.
It sounds like a living hell tome.
So I've got to move my body.
I don't particularly like thegym, but I love how.
(56:33):
I just need to.
I need to get the energy out.
So I have to move my body,whatever that looks like biking,
walking, lifting weights, andthat is a non-negotiable.
In fact, I said to my wifewe've been married for almost 20
years I said can you name atime where I just went through a
season where I didn't go to thegym?
And she's like, honestly, never.
And that's not because I'm somesome gym rat like guru.
(56:54):
I just, I just need that.
I need that for my physical,mental, emotional health okay,
so one word that describes yourcurrent season relentless,
relentless, like I, like, I wantto be relentless.
I I I'm having so much fungrowing and expanding and every
time I think that I'm puttingmax energy into something, I'm
(57:16):
like no, there's more.
And it's not that I'm chasing,it's that the more energy I
throw in, the more relentless Ibecome, the faster the expansion
goes.
By the way, one of the bestcompliments I get who's doing
your marketing?
I say I'm doing it, I'm doingit.
(57:36):
And they're like what?
Now I've got a couple of peoplein my back corner that are
doing a little bit of backendstuff, so I'm not total solo
shit.
But when people, when marketingpeople, are coming up to me
saying who's doing yourmarketing?
And I say me and they're likeoh, fist bump, so that's the now
.
I'm not going to do thatforever.
I ain't freaking doing thisforever, but, like for right now
, relentless, relentless,relentless.
(57:58):
Most of the by the way, it'ssummer right now.
Most people just back off, theytake their foot off the pedal
pound and again it's not thegrind, it's not just like panic
grind do, but this relentlesspursuit of becoming.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
I love this.
And final one what is your wordfor 2025?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
I already chose relentless.
I got to come up with anotherone, a word.
I don't know of the word, butmy mindset for 2025 is really
every I'm growing so fast thatevery time that that lower
baseline is established, a newbaseline is established, then in
(58:56):
my mind, the upper rung on thatladder also needs to go up.
You know what I'm saying onthat ladder also needs to go up.
You know what I'm saying.
So we're always in this feelingof we're just getting started.
We're just getting started.
So if I had to say a word, it'dbe a phrase we're just getting
started.
Every time I up level, justgetting started.
(59:16):
And that's really the mindseteverybody needs to have.
I don't care how old you areand what you're doing, we're
just beginning.
We're just tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Craig says that a lot , but it's been a pleasure
having you.
I'm so honored and this is sucha great, juicy, golden nuggeted
episode.
I'm so honored to have met youand I'm just I want you to know
I'm standing in your corner.
I'm so excited for what you'reproducing in this world and it's
been a pleasure having you.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Thank you very much.
Lots of juicy nuggets in thisshow.
It's been my honor.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
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