#29 Paratruther - Navigating the Narrative with Monica Perez - The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcomeback to another episode of
Paratroother.
I am your host, tony Arterburn.
I'm joined by one of myco-hosts, I'm joined by Mr
Anderson, who brought his brainand his research to our latest
episode, and Chris Graves isstuck somewhere between this
world and the upside down ofStranger Things.
We're waiting for him to jointhe stream.

(00:22):
He might join us later, andalways his research is so
valuable.
We were just talking about himoff air and I've been waiting to
have this guest on for a longtime and watching her streams
and watching her shows.
I know her background, manyinterviews that she's been on,
I'm a big fan.
And we have Monica Perez.
Welcome to Paratrooper.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hi guys, I'm super psyched to be here.
Thank you for having me and I'mvery happy to meet Mr Anderson.
Tony, we've shared a screenbefore, but this is a first for
me with Mr Anderson.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Pleasure to meet you, monica.
I'm intimidated by all thesebooks.
As I was saying before thisshow behind you, behind Tony, I
thought about getting myGoosebump collection.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's valuable.
I'm telling you I know it'sdouchey, I don't like it, but I
need to be able to touch them.
It's not douchey, yours fallsdown Tony.
It goes on and on.
It goes all the way around too.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's Monika, off-air.
Will you teach me to read,because I have the props, so now
I need the knowledge.
But yeah, your bookshelf, Ithink, looks a little bit better
than mine, maybe my.
Am I emphasizing too much?
Look at how much I know.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
No, no you have to be able to touch them.
But I'm pretty good at I'vegotten some speed reading
techniques down, Like one thingI'll do with nonfiction is I'll
read the first paragraph and thelast paragraph of a chapter or
the first couple of chapters andand then do that you can really
really get 80 of theinformation and 20 of the time

(01:52):
sounds like you grade sats onthe side because dude I wish.
No, I, I used to do stuff likethat.
I'm very good at that kind ofyeah mathy thing, which is why I
think I'm good at, or bringsomething a little different to
analyzing news there, becauseI'm not like media, I'm like, oh
, those dots.
You know, that does not equalthat.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I one of the funniest lines from American dad the
cartoon.
Uh, stan says uh, you know I'veonly read books I've already
read and uh, it was.
It makes me laugh because a lotof the books I go back to I
listen over again like I was.
Somebody asked me today sowhat's your favorite book?
And I'm like well, it waswritten in 1927, it's the story
of philosophy by will durant.

(02:33):
And I've read, I read the papercopy, the first thing I you got
.
I'm sure you have it.
I have it too somewhere downhere there.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh, look at that I mean that's why I need to not
have a screen behind there.
People think I do it in advance, like it happens to me three
times with Nature Boy, like inone weekend.
He's like and people are in thechat saying like you guys plan
that.
I'm like no, but it's because Ican touch them all.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
That's a great.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
That's pretty rare by the way, I'm going to read this
into the show, by the way.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
You.
I'm going to read this into theshow, by the way.
Okay, well, let's do that.
That's fantastic.
It took him 11 years to write.
It was written in 1927.
And, of course, I read thepaper copy.
I think it's 2004.
I got back from Iraq I readthat.
I went to the philosophy shelfand I pulled it off and I
remember looking at the date, Iwas like oh 27.
That's just going to fantasticbook, and I have the audio.

(03:23):
It's read by Grover Gardner.
So a lot of times at night I'lljust put it on and whatever
biography I hit, whether it's,you know, my favorites are
Schopenhauer, nietzsche, andthen I'll go back and listen to.
You know, voltaire, socrates.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
There's so much great stuff in there, but yeah, if
they already have an audio book,that I probably won't do it.
Another one that I hope to doand they don't have a book is
Makers of the Modern Mind, whichis a similar thing.
It's like 12.
But I agree with you this book,story of Philosophy by Will
Durant.
What's amazing about it is thatit actually explains.

(03:56):
It actually explains in anutshell, in each chapter, the
real philosophy of thosephilosophers which I have this
theory about philosophyPhilosophy should only be taught
in retirement homes, like inhigh school and college.
You don't, you haven't even cometo the uh, to the place where
you know that the questionsthey're asking are super

(04:19):
important, like, how on earthare you going to be able to
evaluate the answer?
So for me, as like as I getolder, I only if I've already
thought about the question andhave kind of formulated the
answers do I understand whatthese philosophers are saying.
But Will Durant used to becriticized because he was he was
the like working man'sprofessor.
I don't know if you knowanything about him, but he would

(04:40):
do the lectures in the eveningso guys coming home from work
could listen, and this is stuffthat our kids graduating from
college barely.
I certainly don't have theattention span for it, but it's
more than they could probablycomprehend intellectually, which
I found really interesting.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's an amazing body of work.
He did the 11 volumes of thestory of civilization.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I have it.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
It's not even in this room.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I've got some of the volumes on my shelf here, uh,
right behind me here, um, I gotone set and I got another set,
and I think, in the foyer of myshop.
So that's, that's amazing andthat's uh this is different.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
This is something that I you.
You what.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I do not know this.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
No, right, it's, it's obscure and it's called the
Maker.
It's called Makers of theModern Mind by Thomas Neal and
it's Calvin, rousseau, freud,bentham, newton, locke, darwin,
kant, luther, dewey, descartesand Marx.
Like the Dewey, one is abouteducation.
He was the guy who messed upeducation.
Yeah, newton, like they told.

(05:43):
Or Darwin, they told him.
They said you know that if youpublish this, it's going to like
destroy Christianity and theworld.
He's like yeah, but I got to,it's a good one, it's a good.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Check that out.
One of my favorite storiesabout Dewey and people.
Modern educational system.
There's a couple of storiesabout Dewey.
You know he he really talkedabout is one of the things that
set off Bill Cooper.
You know anything about WilliamBill Cooper.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I know a little bit about.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Cooper.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
This is great.
This is so much fun.
Well, that's where Bill Cooperdecided he listened to an old
speech from Thomas Dewey, Ibelieve back from the 1920s,
about PSYOPs and bringing thewhole world together, and he
realized that that was what hewas talking about, at least to
Bill Cooper, was the illusion ofan off-world threat to bring

(06:39):
about government.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yes, yes, like.
Reagan said that's real.
Yes, yes, like.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Reagan said Really what Thomas Dewey was.
He was a.
He was a Trotsky socialistrevolutionary and he went down
to Mexico to visit Trotsky rightbefore Stalin had him murdered
with an ice pick.
He raised money for him allthroughout the 1920s and 30s
trying to get him out of exile.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
So yeah, I didn't know that Maybe it's in here,
I'll have to reread it because Ionly read it once.
It'll be in my pile of books Ican read.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Did you read Pell Horse Rider?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I mean, that's the one I have here and I remember
reading it 20 years ago.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Pell Horse is different.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
So there's a biography of.
Milton Cooper called Pell HorseRider.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, I don't know that one.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Good you win.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
You win this round, tony, let's stop playing Tony.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
That was actually the first show I was on Tony and I
went out to Arizona tocommemorate bill Cooper and
actually did a podcast.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
We did a broadcast from his yard, his driveway, on
the 20th anniversary of beingmurdered by the police, on
November 5th.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, so he's a weird one because definitely feels
like he's a psyop.
You know who was another one,philip Marshall, who wrote
Bamboozled.
He seemed like a psyop to me.
I mean, the book Bamboozledabout 9-11 is not accurate, but
I think he was murder-suicidedwith his entire family.
I've seen that happen a coupleof times and Bill Cooper was

(08:12):
murdered that way.
But maybe it's like the JFKNixon Reagan thing where, yeah,
you're inside, but how else arethey going to control you?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I'll have to check that out.
What do you think about thebooks that came out post 9-11,
about 10 years in that reallytied 9-11 as like a ritual?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Like a black mass trauma event is what I would
call it.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Aleister Crowley magic in there, all the
numerology in it.
Do you ever look into stufflike that?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Funny enough.
I love numbers, I love math andI hate numerology.
It's, it's, and I don't, and Iand I can't comprehend bitcoin
because to me they're untethered.
Tether, haha, bitcoin isuntethered, maybe tether is the
tether, but, um, the numerologystuff it's just untethered.
And the and the real thing, thereal problem with numerology is

(09:03):
there's, there's severalsystems and when, when people
analyze the numbers of something, they'll switch from one system
to another to show, todemonstrate their point.
I can't accept that.
It's too subjective, it's too,you know.
And then the same thing withbitcoin.
Like, how do you value it?
I can't.
Where's the tether?

(09:23):
Like, where's?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
yeah it's sort of like the Bible code.
I remember they ended up usingMoby Dick and extracted some of
the same messages as they didfrom the Bible using the same
algorithms.
But yeah, william Ramsey wrotea wrote a book about what Tony
was describing, kind of theconnection between Aleister
Crowley and the 9-11 ritual.
It was very interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I have all of his right here.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
We get into the political and the esoteric, I
mean it kind of theparapolitical, it all kind of
flows through.
I think they're connected inmany ways We'll have to have a
conversation about.
I'd like you know if you wantto talk about Bitcoin and get
your thoughts on that.
I mean, how it this is, by theway, for Bitcoin.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh, here it is.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's a good subject for this.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's it .

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Do you have the?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Have you read the one he wrote about the smiley face
killers yet?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I interviewed him about the smiley face killers.
That was the first time I evertalked to him, but I don't know
if I have that book.
I have this about the memphisthree, I have global death cult
and I have children of the beast.
I also talked to him aboutalistair carly, because I have a
book buying problem.
Actually, he might have sentthese books to me.

(10:37):
It's possible he sent them tome tony, should we break it to
her?

Speaker 3 (10:41):
this isn't really a podcast, it's an intervention.
Sorry, no, I know?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
no, it's.
It's so not even interesting.
That's what I'm telling you.
It's douchey.
I've got problems with thebooks.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's not at all.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's a good problem to have, especially in the
digital, and I love my Kindle.
I mean, I travel a lot and Ihave my Kindle with me because I
can store everything,everything on there.
But having an actual copy is soimportant nowadays.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know the censorship is going to get worse
and it's not going to getbetter so physical yes,
absolutely I'm going to be thelibrarian of the tunnels and I'm
also going to be the bartenderof the tunnels, and I actually
think that's not a bad combo,you know.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
It's good in Dallas yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
What's that bar in Dallas?
Mr Anderson, I live in Taiwan.
Oh, that's right.
I don't know why You're noteven in this hemisphere.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I lived in Dallas for a long time.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I used to go to the Inwood Lounge, inwood.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, wasn't it Sherlock's that had the library
and the bar?
I've never been there.
I used to go, I think it was.
I think it was called sherlocks.
You could go sit and they hadlike decline and fall the roman
empire and a bunch of myhusband's in the background is
like don't forget louie's louie.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Louie threw me out of the bar once really yeah, which
is a lot what'd you do?
I was so boasted, I was justlike I.
It was my like bacheloretteparty or something.
I moved to texas for my husbandand, uh, I was from new york,
so I didn't understand, like,drinking in new york is not like

(12:25):
that dangerous because you justgo home, you know, you go home,
throw up whatever, but indallas you drive and stuff, so
people aren't getting likeblitzkrieg night and day and I
just didn't even get it I.
I just it was crazy and we wentto wherever it was, louise
campisi's or whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Oh, I got kicked out of a third eye blind concert
when I traveled all the way tosan francisco with friends
specifically to go there.
Just couldn't, they justcouldn't yeah, I was wrong, yeah
, yeah, they kicked me out and,um, one of the guys I was with,
uh, while we were outside thebouncer said I know your

(13:01):
friend's underage, just somesort of identification man so we
can let him back in.
We don't want to be this way.
So he had actually found in aWhataburger's parking lot and
for some reason kept it twoweeks before this ID, and so he
gave it to me and I walked in.
And then, right when I wassupposed to talk to that bouncer
, another one came forward and.
I was kind of gone.
I didn't look at the ID and itwas like of a 50 year old man.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
It was like all right .

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Marcus, where do you live?
I go.
I love third eye blind, he goesget out of here.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I'm a little embarrassed that I like I just
didn't really know, I justwasn't good at drinking.
I mean, I still like, love mycocktails and stuff.
I never do that, but I justsound like I had this driving
desire to get blitzkrieg all thetime.
I just was stupid.
I was just stupid.
And you know, chicks they don'teat and they don't weigh as

(13:52):
much, whatever.
Anyway, I think like Tony's,like she's just never going to
stop talking.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
This is great.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
No, I absolutely love to make radio easy.
We're just getting all thebackground information on Monica
Perez.
We're just storing it for all.
This is like burned into thetimeline now.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
No, no, it's just between us, I forget, like when
you turn the recording on.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well, that's what Paratroopers is all about.
But you had a giant, copiousamount of notes.
You were showing us off air andI've been following a lot of
your coverage on thepre-election, post-election and
written look at that it's socrazy.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
These are just the, just the first, like day or two,
of the cabinet picks of trump.
My my opinions of those peoplefor the audio only audience.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It looks like the notes from the movie seven yikes
, yeah, but it's.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's definitely like scroll.
It looks like I've been.
I've been in solitaryconfinement and somebody like
slipped me an envelope and a penand I've just used the same
piece of paper for like twoweeks straight, like writing
little things in every crevicetoilet paper from v, from
vendetta, is what she's got.
Yes, because it has to be onone page or I can't reference it

(15:08):
easily.
I mean, I have like a computerwhere you could write stuff and
scroll, but I have norelationship you start, and I've
listened to your story.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
You started out.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
You've been in radio too right, just like me that's
not on purpose, but I did have aradio show for eight and a half
years and you were out ofatlanta yes, on wsb, which was
like a great, you know a hugeradio, talk radio station.
I don't know why he just likedme because I said I just met
somebody who was a radioproducer and she was just like

(15:38):
you're in a narco what you knowshe brought, and they just never
heard anything like it before.
And then I started gettingcalls from auburn, alabama,
where people like oh my gosh,like thank you, and it's like
see there, I'm not the only one.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
So what years were that?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
they started like around 2012, I believe, and then
it went, yeah, so it endedfebruary.
I mean, I think my first showwas probably in 2011.
And then it ended like inFebruary 2020 when I was like,
oh my gosh, this whole COVIDthing is going to be a year and
a half, because I had foundEvent 201.
And literally there were a fewthings that happened that day.

(16:15):
My last day, I had a newproducer who's like you
shouldn't hold back, and so Iwas like, oh, so I can talk
about 9-11 and the block, youknow whatever.
I just went bananas, totallyouted COVID.
I was playing clips from Event201, and people were freaking
out.
It was like a War of the Worldsthing.
People were like, what is that?

(16:36):
Because it sounded like a news.
you know, if you ever heard theEvent 201 thing, it sounded like
a news report and I actuallystopped it at a certain point
because it really was likefreaking people out.
And and also the station gotbought by a financial firm and
we used to like talk about a lotof stuff about like the

(16:59):
elections, about Stacey Abramsand about Epstein, and the guy
actually stepped down from hisposition in that in the firm
that then owned this radiostation, because of his
relationship with JeffreyEpstein.
So I have no, I could have beenanything.
It could have been that wereally used to talk to Garland
Favrito about electioninterference this was in 2020,

(17:20):
you know and they were probablylike we got it, we're, she's
just not gonna.
There's nothing she says thatwe want on this radio station.
I don't know for sure.
Nobody ever told me.
They just sort of taken themonica pressure off the air and
I was like fine, because it usedto stress me out well, we have
similar backgrounds.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I started my first radio program was in dallas in
2013 and, uh, that was a.
It's a lot different time.
I ran because I was running forcongress and I had the show.
It was once a week.
It was on a station called 570KLIF, which is an old station, a
big signal in Dallas and out ofCumulus.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I used to love the ticket, by the way.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh, the ticket.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's a great, that's a great great and I hate
sports, but I loved the ticket.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
It was a Cumulus station, yeah, and I've moved on
since then and I'm on a Salemwith Salem Media but honestly, I
mean for the audience, I'mthinking about leaving just
traditional terrestrial radio ingeneral.
It's just not an environmentfor me.
I've just moved on so far thatthere's really not even an
audience there.
I mean, I'm just an anomaly andthey don't.

(18:22):
You know, cumulus did I don'tthink like me very much.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Those are the Dickies right back then.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yes, Well, we my family franchises Dickies
barbecue, which is funny, butthey're not related.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I don't think so.
Anymore, I have no barbecue isgood.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, it is.
We have the.
My family owns one in downtowndallas.
We were the one of the firstfranchisees, but uh, that's kind
of a dallas traditional name,so I didn't know.
I always wonder when things aretied together.
You hear one name like that'sprobably related, like we were
talking yeah, yeah, usually, butI'm thinking about, just so
you're not in like terrestrialradio no, no, I'm not doing that

(19:03):
.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
But, um, the two things I miss miss about it is
one the callers were great.
It was great to have that backand forth because, unlike a
podcast, not everybody agreedwith you.
So you can have callers on apodcast but it's not going to be
, um, you're not going to vetany issues, because people are
just going to call to, like, youknow, give you big snaps, which

(19:24):
is fine, but it's.
It was that vetting.
That was helpful.
I didn't like arguing, but Iliked vetting.
And then the other thing wasthat, um, atlanta is so diverse
and, uh, ethnically diverse thatpeople would call and give
their, their opinions.
And these were people who werebeing painted by a certain brush

(19:45):
by Democrats or a certain brushby Republicans, and they were
totally blowing up stereotypesleft and right on the show.
Because I was, I waslibertarian, I wasn't Republican
or Democrat, they felt kind ofsafe.
So that was helpful and itbrought the message to people
who were just trying to listento the weather.
You know that the bill ofrights is something that neither

(20:06):
party seems to be championingand we should think a little
harder about stuff like that.
It was, it had some value, butfor me it was like it was
stressful because it was like Ihad stage fright, like every
single show, for eight and ahalf years rope to walk.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
You know, because I realized that it's like the
terrestrial boundaries and stuffthat, uh, you used to be able
to get away with a lot more, andespecially now we just know so
much.
And then you, yeah, it's likeit's like team sports, like they
want to get you involved inteams and like set up.
You know, again, it's like astraw man.
I just have a really hard timewith it.
I'm thinking about that when mycontract ends.

(20:43):
I don't know that I'm going tocontinue.
Um, I may just invest more in myown, like the streaming stuff
and podcasts we do.
I don't want an echo chamberand I love the right.
If you know this, like whenyou're in radio, if you got a
live radio show and you gotthose callers like I used to go
in and host for info wars.
You know, for david and troyand there is nothing like that,
that is some of the funnest bestproduct.
Because you know, for david andtroy and there is nothing like

(21:03):
that, that is some of thefunnest best product.
Because you know, like thephone lines are lighting up,
you've got television viewersand terrestrial radio listeners
and the whole the streaming.
It's great, it's nothing likeit.
Um, it's hard to find that, youknow and it's an art.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
See, that's actually wasted skill of mine, because I
learned how to do it.
I learned how to take the calls.
I learned how to take the calls.
I learned how to generate calls.
I learned how to and the way Ihad to generate calls which you
had to tap into someone'semotions about something they
think they know about, and soyou had to even craft your
subject matter around that.
So I was actually you know,that's something that I'll never

(21:39):
be able to use again, but yeah,it was exhilarating.
But that's what used to scareme, because I had a three hour
show, so if I couldn't generatecalls I had to talk for three
hours.
So the kind of I you think thisis a lot of notes.
I would have like 25 pages ofnotes just in case I didn't get
calls.
Like it was I.
It took me two days to preparefor one show.
Like it was not, it wasn'tleverageable, but it was

(22:00):
exciting and I thought it hadvalue.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I went in one week and I filled in for David Knight
.
He has a three-hour show and Idid it for a whole week in
Austin.
I stayed in a hotel room andI'd get there at 5 am and just
try to put together a show,because it's 5 at 8 am, and so
I'd get there at 5 and just havemy coffee and set out my things
my pants, my printing stories.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's a tough, tough deal.
Yeah, printing stories.
I always felt guilty printingthem out, but you have to.
Oh, yeah.
You have to be able to gothrough that.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
That much room on a show, like it's hard to read off
a screen and I would definitelyI do some.
I can an hour, I can wing and Ican pull up stories and stuff
and I can see it on the screen.
But you know, if you're goingto do three hours, go to the
phones I got always, just likethe number's live, I'd repeat
the number and try to getcallers because yeah, that's a
lot of time to fill.

(22:54):
But, the most important thingabout it is that it busted those
silos and now we're in silosand that sucks Really.
Yeah, talk radio is different.
I mean, I grew up with it.
I always knew I was going to bein radio somehow.
But it's just that space is sodifferent and now we are.
We are in silos and that I'mI'm glad to be in the silo.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, so much more fun you get to, you know, talk
to people and be like, oh mygosh, I didn't know that yet.
You don't have to start fromscratch every time, like okay,
so you know, nine, 11 was aninside job, you know, like then
you got to start with that, youknow, but uh, but yeah, I, I
really enjoyed that part of it.
But yeah, it's, it's over now.

(23:28):
It's zoo, like they do zoos,you know, like the morning zoo
that has no, it has nothing, nocontent whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
hey, buddy I brought bean bean up, she was uh, she
was jealous, scratching my legoh, she's ready on the show.
It's like part of the action,yep well, let's go back to your
desk, we get off um.
So you know you.
You I've watched your coveragelike pre-election, post-election

(23:59):
.
I mean what really?
You know we're not in.
You and I are not in the leftright paradigm, although we're
not black pilled either.
We're looking, you know we'renot.
You and I are not in theleft-right paradigm, although
we're not black-pilled either.
We're looking for.
You know, if you're doingsomething great, we give you a
thumbs up.
If you're going against freedom, liberty, humanity, the
Constitution, you know, we giveyou a thumbs down.
That's pretty much where I'm at, and you know it's a mixed bag.

(24:20):
There's a lot of gray.
It's not like, you know, goodguys versus bad guys.
It's not really how that works,especially in government and
politics, and I think really theterm parapolitics, which came
out in 1979, the year I was bornis probably a good way to
describe what I talk about.
So do you just want to leadwith?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
that, yeah, that sounds right.
Yeah, so for me, if Iunderstand the term correctly, I
think that is what I find mostinteresting and I'm definitely
not blackmailed at all.
I have two reasons I'm not.
One is I feel like we didn'tjust pop into this universe out
of nowhere and I'm going toassume that we have a purpose

(25:03):
and that our job is to, as anindividual I, I believe I'm an
individualist, like I justbelieve the individual is the,
the operational unit.
So, as an individual, you'rehere to prove that you're, uh,
not a jerk.
That's basically my idea.
Like no jerks in heaven.
We're here to prove we're notjerks.
That's basically my idea.

(25:23):
Like no jerks in heaven, we'rehere to prove we're not jerks.
And um, and I also am not blackbill, because I feel like
humanity I think the powerbrokers, the, they trademark
those guys.
I think they're like missingsomething.
You know it's like they'resoulless or whatever.
Maybe they're satanic, I reallydon't know, but I think they

(25:45):
miss that.
You know, it's very hard forthem to control us, like they
tried to take religion out ofRussia, but it didn't work.
You see 24 seven propagandafrom every direction, just
constant cable news.
Even the commercials are likepharma propaganda and everything
.
So it's like it's like it'slike my teeth I have to wear

(26:07):
like a retainer at night.
Every teeth will like besideways in a week.
I mean for the rest of my lifeI mean I've had braces three
times because I'm just like,come on, it has to have stuck by
now.
No, so I think that's like themind that they have to control.
It's like they have to do itconstantly.
We have braces on our mind fromthem and that's a good thing.
And I think, like with the Trumpelection, the fact that people

(26:30):
came out in just droves.
I believe that he won thepopular vote.
I believe he won the electoralvote.
I believe that they got thevote out and the people who
voted for him voted for him forthe right reasons.
So people told me the numberone reason I heard from people
was that they think that he wasmore likely to prevent World War
III and that's the best reasonto vote for him, and that means

(26:52):
that the people have theirhearts and minds in the right
place.
I think he's there to startWorld War III, which bums me out
, and I feel like his cabinetpicks support that theory of
mine.
But because people werethinking of world war three and
Ukraine against Russia, which Ifeel is winding down.
He's probably going to getcredit for that and I applaud if
he could go.

(27:13):
You know, they could have Bidencould have dragged it on forever
, I think, like today in thenews he was like, yeah, I'm
going to, I'm just going todouble down over there and see
what happens, something likethat.
It was something not good, andso I think Trump will probably
wind it down over there, but I'mafraid that he's going to start
bombing Iran.
I feel like all the pieces aregoing to place for that.

(27:34):
And then we're going to havethe protests at home, we're
going to have a little Vietnamredux.
That's a problem and then thatcould usher in a police state.
It could get really bad.
But if the people are sensitiveto it, you know, and they see
this stuff starting to come downand they get pissed, I think

(27:54):
that the powers that be do tapthe brakes a little bit and
that's all we have to hope for.
I've always said the kickingthe can of tyranny.
You know, history is just onelong story of us trying to kick
the can of tyranny and andthat's our best, but we just got
to keep the way.
They have to put the retaineron us.
We have to kick them back.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
It's Thomas Jefferson , like I think it's my last show
before the election isHalloween and I talked about,
you know, the same thing youjust said about that.
The number one thing, I think,if people are going to go to the
polls and reelect Donald Trumpand he was the first president
since Grover Cleveland to getelected lose office and come
back and have anotheradministration.

(28:34):
So he's 45 and 47.
And I knew, I figured he wouldwin, just based on the
synchronicities of history andother things that really weren't
even like political analysis,just my gut.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
And because you said it's 9-11, right.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Why?
What Was it numerology?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I was like I think it's 45-47.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh, wow, yeah, 45 and 47.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Freaky man.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
And that, and Ingersoll Lockwood, and the last
president came out in 1896 andwho was president?
Grover Cleveland, you know, andthe whole thing of the little
bear I was just, I think inweird esoteric ways as well as
like fundamental, you know soundpolitical and economic things.
I'm both.
I'm in both worlds.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
It's just fun to play with those ideas sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, there is a lotthere.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
yeah, I'm not good I'm like I struggle with faith,
like I'm like the saint thesaint michael prayer, which I
love, like so angels are real.
You know, like I, I strugglewith that and so I'm definitely
not going total uh any more.
You know degrees of separationfrom like concrete reality.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I just don't have that kind of mind the only thing
that's silly, in my opinion, isatheism.
That's just.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yes, it's not logical , it's agnosticism, at least,
but atheism, I know I don't haveno idea what it is, but I'm
positive.
It's not god, it's like.
Well, he's got to be in the mix, he's got to be in your hopper,
right and agnostic is just kindof lazy.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Like you haven't thought about this, I don't know
.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I understand the not know.
You can't know, like mystruggle is, I don't even I love
being Catholic, I don't evenmind.
But if you have to actuallybelieve like I have to believe
it.
I'm like, but sometimes Ibelieve it and sometimes I think
, come on, you know, like Godcan hear my thoughts, like, come
on, you know, but I, I just butI live it and I love it and I
and I struggle with that.

(30:30):
And if if someone who wereagnostic to say, I just can't
really get my mind around dyingand and meeting God, and he
knows my name, like that's that,you don't think that's
conceptually difficult?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Oh yeah, it's impossible.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, it's impossible .
It's a leap of faith right.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
It's a leap of faith.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, so I work on that, but I thought that Vegas
odds were that's what I thoughtwas like oh, he's going to win,
look.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I looked at that too, but I also predicted he would
win in 2016.
And I was real proud of thatbecause I was broke broke at the
time.
But I had a little bit ofBitcoin, but everything I had.
I said he's going to win.
You guys don't understand.
It was the Comey investigation.
Good for you I was like youdon't understand politics and
I've been following it since Iwas a little kid, so I was like
this is enough.
And I wasn't like a fanboy oranything, I just thought what

(31:19):
he's talking about and upanti-establishment, I thought it
was just enough.
I had at 100 confidence.
I'm almost and mr anderson'sknow me since I was 19 years old
uh, I'm um, if I'm, if I'm thatsure, then I'm just that.
That's anomaly, because I'm notusually like I'm 100 I felt
really confident going into thiselection.
Um, just because of what yousaid about World War III and I

(31:42):
want to ask you about his pickfor Secretary of Defense Hegseth
, because I know a little bitabout him and I'm a veteran.
I'm a combat vet, three foreignwars, I was a paratrooper,
first Army company on the groundin Afghanistan and Kandahar and
tailing an invasion of Iraq.
I mean, I've got the streetcred for veteran.

(32:04):
When I look at him he's exactlymy age or so why do I not like
him?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Because he's a Fox News host and not a defense guy.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I just don't.
I look at him and he's playedsome reels of him being
anti-Putin and really aggressiveon the Ukrainian conflict,
which I find to be historicallyridiculous like I think it's.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I think it's because Ben Shapiro likes him so much
whoever Ben Shapiro likes youhate.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
He was hugely hawkish .
He um he doesn't apparently hedoesn't like believe there's any
such thing as war crimes.
That's one thing that they sayagainst him there.
I think there was an articlethat came out today about him
paying off somebody, a woman.
Did you hear about this?
No, just came out like justtoday came out that he paid off
a woman.
She accused him of sexualharassment or something like

(32:59):
that, and he said it wasconsensual, but I'm paying her
off anyway, which is exactlywhat happened with Bill Cosby,
whom I have defended from thebeginning.
Not not a popular position, butbut you know, and Gates has the
same like weird sex thing, Idon't you know.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, that's been ongoing for four years.
That invests years.
You know, it's really weirdabout him in the Truman show.
His house is in thatneighborhood.
He grew up in that communityand I remember watching him and
he pointed at a gazebo, yeah,and he was like that's where I
got my first kiss.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Because he's rich.
Gates is rich.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yes, it's a rich kind of odd little community.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh, I know it's a famous architect and he kind of
ushered in that like that, thatweird artificial look which you
see a lot, a lot of places nowhave that yeah, most people
thought that was just a moviestudio and somebody who had a
lot of artistic freedom andliberty to do what they want.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
So he's just kind of a weird guy.
I don't know what to make ofsome of these pics.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't dislike him and I don't believe, go ahead I
don't think gate press'minterrupting you.
It's just like my thing, gates.
I don't think he's going tomake it.
I don't think he's going to getconfirmed and, unlike the other
picks, he quit ahead of time.
So he left Congress just gotreelected, but he stepped down
already, knowing it's going tobe a tough sell, because the

(34:20):
report was going to come out.
I assume that's why he steppeddown on Friday and he stepped
down right before, which wouldmake it tricky for Congress to
release the information.
And then someone gave me theidea, a different idea, but it
led me to think maybe DeSantisgives him Rubio's Senate seat
and then he gets back in the mixthat way.

(34:40):
But it doesn't seem like hewould be confirmed like
Republicans.
Republicans wouldn't becausethat the sexual allegations are
distasteful.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, seems like a long shot.
And people say well, trump'sgoing to do the recess
appointments.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
And I'm like Willie, well, massey mentioned it but
they have to step down for thatRight, don't they have to?
Don't they have to kind oforchestrate that?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
for that right, don't they have to?
Don't they have to kind oforchestrate that?
I read a report the other day.
It was like teddy roosevelt wasthe first one to really use
that in matt he did like 192 uhrecess appointments within a
matter of seconds.
You go look at the actual likewho's actually pulled it off,
like dwight eisenhower did too,and then I thought truman had
done one.
It's, it's it.
I think it was done once byTeddy, who was really crafty and

(35:26):
smart and got insideinformation and used that.
It's like a technicality.
I don't know that you couldpull it off now.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Are they saying it's like the Christmas recess would
count?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
The president invokes it.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
The president tells Congress to step aside?
No, so Congress has to be inrecess.
I don't think the presidenttells congress to step aside.
No, so congress has to be inrecess.
But I don't think the presidentcan tell congress to be in
recess, can he?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
he apparently can I think thomas jefferson did that
for the barbary pirate wars.
I believe he waited to send thedispatch to sell.
Was it john paul jones?
It's him to go out and kill thebarbary pirates, you know they
did that in England recently.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Actually, didn't they call a recess?
Was that England where theycalled the recess and then
started doing some funnybusiness?
So, yeah, maybe.
Well, why couldn't they getaway?
They can get away with anything.
They can get away with anythingthat the powers that be tell.
Like Trump, he owned that hotelin DC.
He had like a 99 year leasefrom the government, which I
think Dianne Feinstein's husbandawarded.

(36:25):
His company and other companiesliterally sued because he was
not qualified but because it wasa government lease.
The day he took office in 2016,2017, he was not allowed to own
that lease anymore and theybrought him up on emoluments
charges or whatever it's called,and they didn't even include
that.
And they totally could have, andI always thought that was how

(36:46):
they were going to get him moneybecause he overblew his.
You know he would say that hewas wealthier than he was
another subject of a lawsuitthat he refused to prosecute
because I think it was true.
So now, like DJT, like thatstocks truth, social, like he's
got lots of ways to make moneynow and I'm sure he is a real
billionaire now, but at the time, I just remember thinking like

(37:09):
they could get away with that,or like when Ted Cruz was trying
to filibuster about Obamacarelike some policy point, and
remember, the Democrats pushedObamacare in on, like policy
nuance after policy nuance, andTed Cruz, like they, the
Republicans, actually could havegotten Obamacare overturned if
he had continued to do that andand he just didn't like so.

(37:31):
Unless somebody makes a noise,the right noise in the right way
, they I think they get awaywith anything they want.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I don't think they've got the stomach to do it.
I just don't think they will.
Republicans are just reallygood at campaigning, that.
They're also really good at notdoing anything they campaign on
.
So I don't see them.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yes, that's true.
I don't think they want to doit Like people are talking about
.
I don't think they want to doit.
I don't think Gates is meant tobe the guy Like.
I think he's there knowing.
Maybe you know when younegotiate something, sometimes
you put stuff in the packagethat you're not going to get.
Take it out, because otherwiseyou have to take out stuff you
really want.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Right, I thought the same thing when he was nominated
.
I'm like I don't.
Can he really cross thethreshold?
Who was the?
Who was the?
You remember the AG that GeorgeW Bush nominated?
He got into some real, was it?
It was like the third one.
Ashcroft?
No, it was not Ashcroft.
Ashcroft was he was responsiblefor the Patriot Act and some of

(38:31):
the other things that went onwith the Justice Department for,
like post 9-11, you know,crackdowns and all that.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Alberto Gonzalez.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Alberto Gonzalez.
It was a tough road for him.
Same thing with Nixon'sappointment of Bork.
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
But the other guys, like Bork was the only one who
wouldn't.
Who would?
What was he trying to do?
What was Nixon trying to do?
Fire people?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Fire the special prosecutor.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, but Bork was such a.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Went down the list and found Bork.
Bork said I'll do it, you know.
And then bork was nominated tothe supreme court and he
wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
And he was great.
He was great for the supremecourt.
But you, but I, I find it hardto believe that he would have
done something obviously wronglike I.
I know I'm sorry, but Bork wasjust such a stickler for rules.
I almost feel like he wasprobably technically right that
Nixon had power.
I think he was a real honestplayer Intellectually.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I think he was very fierce and sharp.
I have a lot of respect forRobert Bork.
I guess the comparison I'mmaking is that this is going to
be a troubled presidency.
I'm sorry, it doesn't matter.
You know, even with a man,whatever mandate, like the most
clear election we've had, Iguess, if you want to call it
that in a while I can't think ofObama.

(39:57):
Yeah, obama would be the lastone where it's that clear.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And look what he did with it Bad stuff, you know,
like that's the thing.
You take that mandate and hedoesn't need to get reelected.
He's got two years, he's goteverything Congress, senate, the
court.
That's why I feel like it'sfinally time to start that war
with Iran that they've justwanted so much for so long.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Well, they already came after him, the intelligence
thought.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yes, of course it's personal with him and we know
that he's.
He's just a loose cannon,emotional guy and you know, like
that's.
The thing that really cracks meup is that and and there was a
great quote in Guido Preparatais a guy who wrote Conjuring
Hitler and some other things,and I read a book.

(40:47):
He's a great interview.
Also, he taught at the Vaticanbut he's I think he's an atheist
or maybe agnostic, but he has alittle thing on 9-11 called
Phantasmagoria.
It's really good and it is aquote which is an anonymous
quote, but he thinks it's KarlRove and it says like it's
pretty hilarious that you guystry to figure out what's going
on in a historical perspectiveand that you write your little

(41:08):
articles.
He said we are the creators ofreality and you fill in, you
know, you color in what we giveyou and by the time you figure
it out, we've changed thereality.
And that's so when people tryto figure out so what's, you
know I always laughed, I.
And that's so when people tryto figure out this what's, you
know I always laughed.
I was like it's, do you reallythink Warren Buffett is sitting
at the end of a bed in somehotel room somewhere watching

(41:30):
Fox News or CNN, being like Iwonder what Obama's going to do
next, you know, and I wonder why.
Like I want, let's get insidethat guy's head it doesn't
matter.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's kind of like do you remember the movie Wall
Street, monica, the original one, 1987, oliver Stone, and it has
Gordon Gekko and he has thatlittle speech about capitalism.
You know, he's like well, war,famine of people, the price of a
paperclip.
We pulled that rabbit out ofthe hat a long time ago.
People were wondering how wedid it.
That's a great breakdown.
He's like we don't, it doesn'tmatter what's going on, we still

(42:11):
.
It's like he goes, it's, it'sthe free market.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
He goes I, I, I don't make anything I own.
He's talking about like the,the financial structure, it's
financial capitalism and I, youknow I'm and actually it was a
concept I got from GuidoPreparata and it like it.
It like weirds me out becauseit flirts with left stuff and I
hate that.
But he, you know, he talksabout absentee ownership, you
know.
And then you have people likeall value comes from labor, the
labor value.
You know theory of value, andand then you think of, like

(42:35):
South America or even the middleEast, where people you know,
communities, tribes, whatever,they live on top of commodity
resources.
You know they, they, they ownit, but that somebody gets it
away from them and it's probablybecause they don't own it.
Like entitled to the center ofthe earth and the, you know,

(42:55):
just like in Pennsylvania orTexas.
You know where we're, you knowour Okies are rich.
Now, you know Okies are richbecause of that, but I just I
feel like there is some rich now.
You know okies are rich becauseof that, but I just I feel like
there is some.
There's something inherentlywrong about, about the financial
capitalism, but as like trainedas a libertarian as I was, like
at my father's knee.

(43:15):
It's so hard for me to, to, toget that more um, like
multi-dimensional picture.
You know I'm, I'm, just don'ttouch me or my stuff.
But then you get into, you knowwhat's my stuff Like, can you?
Is it individual?
Like it's just a tough one.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
It's a tough one because in our world, I mean,
there's just multiplephilosophies intermingling at
once.
To make reality.
It's not just one thing andthis is, and again we have to
contend with the establishmentand the center of power, which
is like all the nucleus.
We have to look at that andwhat's spinning around it and
its orbit and a lot of it's justcompletely detestable, awful

(43:54):
stuff.
And like we're, like you'retrying to glean some of the good
out of this, what's coming inthe new administration, and I
said, look, I predicted.
I was like, okay, if Trump isselected, then we're going to
have gold and silver prices willcome down, people will sell off
their positions, they'll getback into the market.
Bitcoin's going to break alltime highs.
I was right about that, one ofthe reasons, because the crypto

(44:16):
thing with Trump is reallyinteresting.
Like I was at Nashville for theBitcoin conference and RFK Jrr
and trump and talking aboutmaking a strategic reserve.
There's something with that.
So like this it's a.
It is a different reality.
Had harris one, we'd see adifferent market than we do now.
But that to me, is justtemporary.
I think you're so astute and weget to get back to the meat of

(44:40):
all this which is in the future,like in the very near future,
you're going to see, and this ismy prediction um, the
continuity in all this which isin the future, like in the very
near future, you're going to see, and this is my prediction the
continuity in all this isextreme Zionism and we're going
to have a war against Iran.
Trump may pull back on Ukraine,thank God.
If he does, I'm glad for it,but I'll be opposing him on Iran
because, again, I think Iranmay be.

(45:02):
It may be the proxy war that wefight against Russia in Iran
instead of Ukraine, and thatcould have implications on China
.
I've also seen this phraseologycome up, by the way.
I don't know if anybody's losttheir minds, but this is a new
China hawks.
When did China hawk become athing?
Like there was a China hawk inthe GOP, and I'm like.

(45:23):
The GOP gave everything toChina.
If you do not know your history, we gave everything, starting
with Nixon Starting with Nixonand going, but especially in the
80s and 90s and George W.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Most favored nation.
Trading status was justunbelievable.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
December 11th 2001, 90 days after 9-11.
So I've been talking about thisfor years and now we have China
hawks 2011, 90 days after 9-11.
So I've been talking about thisfor years and now we have china
hawks.
So I I look, uh, you know colorme.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
that's about the chips.
In my opinion that's about theai chips, like I think that's
the whole thing, because weobviously cooperated for covid,
you know, worldwide policy wastotally coordinated.
So there's something going onthere and I think to the extent
there's actual competitionsomewhere.
So, like gordon gecko, I I'vealways kind of in his kind of
terms, I would always say, likegreed drives productivity and

(46:13):
competition checks greed.
So the free market alwaysworked for me, because the greed
gets everybody to make stuffand the competition brings the
economic profit down to zero.
So you can, you know, we getthe benefit of it.
In a competitive field, peoplejust keep entering hyper
profitable businesses untilthere's it's not hyper

(46:34):
profitable anymore, whichbenefits us, the consumers.
So but I wonder, on the worldstage and at that level of power
politics, where, if anywhere,there is real competition?
And it seems to me that thereal competition is about the
super, super high end chips likethe ai rule the world chips.

(46:55):
And the taiwan has that taiwansemiconductor manufacturing
company which you know, I thinkis american, kind of like the
zionism thing, I think is a is atool.
You know it's been created likesame thing with radical islam,
like it's been created by theanglo-american empire.
Whatever, maybe it's rogue,maybe it's not, doesn't matter,

(47:16):
but the taiwan thing, I thinkand I tell people to listen to
this conversation joe rogan hadwith these two canadian brothers
, whose last name is Harris, andthey were writing the
recommendation to Congress abouthow to regulate AI, and their
conclusion was basically we getAI frozen where it is.
The AI above that real generalintelligence AI, if ever it were

(47:39):
to happen, should be entirelyin control of the US government,
and anyone who tries to opensource AI, code or do any of
that should go to jail.
And so I was thinking thatreally there is one kernel of
objective territorialism, andthat would be that the US
government, whatever, whoevercontrols that Rand, I don don't

(48:02):
know what, but wants to own thesuper, super high-end ai, and
they want no one else to haveanything to do with it.
And that's why they're likering fencing, taiwan, where
they're made.
That's why they did the chipsact, which gives money to anyone
who refuses to to sharetechnology or manufacturing with
china around the world, and Iso.

(48:24):
So that's why I think, like thechina thing, the reason you
might get the republicans toshare technology or
manufacturing with China aroundthe world, and so that's why I
think, like the China thing, thereason you might get the
Republicans to actually pushback on China is they are, you
know, everybody's kind of in bedwith that industry here.
However, there are also all thepeople who do like behind the
scenes, like you can point tonames.
Sorry to keep going on and on,but like there was's one thing I
noticed some guy was, uh, hewas um arrested.

(48:48):
He was like an Arab or anIsraeli or something, and in his
in the FBI arrest against him,like there were documents that
said he was brokering to have arepresentative for to do China's
bidding inside Trump's firstadministration.
It was kind of old and that guyI think in that thing said they
think it was James Woolsey, whoI think was a CIA director or

(49:10):
something.
So they have their plants inthere, the Chinese plants are
inside, but I think that there'sa line drawn around that AI
stuff and I think that's becausethey think they're going to
control the entire world withthat, and I think that's what
all the energy policy is aboutgetting energy to AI.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
And they can't control it.
I mean, they control all theresources.
For instance, there's one thatlots of people don't consider,
but there's this material calledgallium nitride.
It's actually pretty important.
All of your solid state whitelighting, that's gallium nitride
.
No-transcript.

(50:10):
There's no way you can controlthat.
They've let the genie out ofthe box they were.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
They were drawing a distinction between general ai
or generative ai and artificialgeneral intelligence agi, like
the machines you know, like themachines you know, like the
machines from Terminator there.
So some people say that thatwill never happen.
And they're saying it's goingto happen, but we don't want you
to know about it and we don'twant you to have access to it

(50:35):
and we don't want anybody elsein the whole world to have
access to it.
It needs to be totally in theUS government.
Do you think that's impossibleto?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, I think the real danger, like so many people
have pointed out, withartificial intelligence, is it's
just going to be a hugeextension in the capability of
their surveillance state, andthat's what I worry the most
about it.
I mean, there's all sorts of Ihave a pretty long academic
background so I'm used tobuzzwords being thrown around
and kind of going into OK,what's really going on here?

(51:06):
These are neural networks Nowyou're calling them something
different, like what's going onbut I think the real danger is
the increased surveillance whichis going to further limit our
liberties, and that's what Iworry about.
So I think, behind the curtain,what they're really doing with
AI.
I think that's the end goal andof course, they'll use it for

(51:32):
different types of warfare and Idon't know we're so reliant in
every way on countries such asChina, even if you look at our
higher institutions, what we doand who we train, who gets PhDs
in this country, and even ifit's not the school paying for
them let's say it's not a publicschool funded by taxpayer
dollars, let's say it's privateWell, the professors are still
getting money from the NationalScience Foundation or DARPA or

(51:53):
Air Force Research Lab orsomewhere like that, and then
these people from othercountries are working on those
programs.
So we are paying to train peopleto act as competitors later,
because we make it difficult toretain them and keep them here
or have a green card and thewhole system.
It's just never made sense tome, and so when I was in school,

(52:13):
you mentioned China.
I knew I didn't know themspecifically, but there were
three students who were arrestedfor espionage, acting on
China's behalf, who graduatedwith PhDs Just where I went.
So it's everywhere, it'sprevalent and it's a real
problem.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I do wonder this is what I wanted to ask you guys is
when Trump said he wanted tobring manufacturing here, and
now he talks about tariffs.
Is that all lip service or isthat like autarky?
Are they really trying to bringthat back here so that if there
is a big war, we can surviveLike?
Is there anything to that thatties in?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Well, I think that I mean traditionally, tariffs have
been the way that we built thecountry.
I mean I've said this manytimes I ran when I ran for
Congress 10 years.
I ran on economic nationalismand it was a big hit with the
people.
I mean they've said this manytimes I ran when I ran for
Congress 10 years.
I ran on economic nationalismand it was a big hit with the
people.
I mean they loved it.
Because nobody talks about that.
You were a persona non grata inthe Republican Party.
I remember one of the majorradio hosts that we went on air

(53:14):
at the same time.
He heard me once he's likethat's lib stuff that you're
talking about.
That's lib stuff.
I'm like actually america first, or I'm a, I'm a paleo
conservative.
I'm like you know again, thefounding fathers I mean all four
presidents on mount rushmoresupported tariffs and every,
every figure on our papercurrency supported tariffs.
Free trade is a modern construct.

(53:35):
I mean it's something that Imean.
Carl marx supported free trade.
He said it would hasten therevolution uh to, to bring the
utmost uh tension between theproletariat and the bourgeoisie,
to make sure that there was acomplete breakdown of society.
He said that tariffs wereconservative.
This is Karl Marx.
I'm just quoting Marx.
I think he was right.
But all the modernconservatives?

(53:58):
Free trade is a really goodidea and I'm like, well, it
doesn't do, doesn't, like itserves the interest of
multinationals.
You're certainly going to seeit up and to the right on
corporate profits, but you know,the wages of Americans and the
living standards have gone downsince we implemented free trade
policies, you know, last 50years especially.
So I support, in theory.
I'm an economic nationalistnationalist.

(54:25):
However, some of the stufftrump's talking about, like you
know, punishing a country fornot using the dollar at a
hundred percent tariffs.
Now, that's just weaponizationof the dollar by other means.
That is not economicnationalism.
Economic nationalism would be,you know, uh, if you wanted to
make, let's say we just we weregoing to do math, okay, and I
know that's a big step.
Today it was.
But let's say we get out thecalculator and we're like okay,
so what if we wanted to make?

(54:47):
Uh, we wanted to eliminate thecorporate income tax.
So how would so, if you wantedto be revenue neutral and
eliminate the corporate incometax?
So corporations don't pay tax?
Well, you take a 25% tariff andput it on, uh, manufacturing
goods and that is revenueneutral.
I know that because I'vestudied it for years.
So you could get a 25% tariffon all incoming manufacturing

(55:08):
goods and what that would do isit would incentivize those
companies to build it here andemploy Americans.
That's strategic.
We're not talking about that.
There's something totallydifferent here.
This is punishment.
It's selective, it's not acrossthe board.
It has nothing to do with that.
It has everything to do withwell, we got this power.
We're going to use it and wieldit.
I don't know that they will,but I haven't heard a coherent

(55:32):
plan to bring anything about.
That would represent what Ibelieve in.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Well what you're saying.
If it does have a big impact onthe dollar, it could just be an
excuse to do something that hasa big impact on the dollar.
But that idea of likeprotectionism I the first time I
read it was in John Coleman'scommittee of 300.
I don't know if you've readthat any time recently.
I just cause I just loved him, Iloved every word of the book,
and then I just like read thatpart like 10 times.

(55:57):
I was like what?
And you would yeah, you wouldnurture an industry that you
thought was important to yourcountry, and I mean it took me
so long to and everything that Iwondered about that book over
the years.
I'm like you know what.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
It might have been right.
Right, and if you're alibertarian, you know and I'm
one of my libertarian friendsand I'm right there I'm almost
libertarian, I'm almost there.
If I was to truly belong to aparty, I would be in the
Libertarian Party.
But see my history, though, ismy guide, and the thing is
Alexander Hamilton.
He read Wealth of Nations, heread Adam Smith and he says I
agree with you, but I'm throwingout the free trade stuff.

(56:33):
And he did the Tariff Act.
The second act out of Congresswas the Tariff Act in 1789.
So I mean, statesmen,understand that reality.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
If we all, we all reality and history is the
experience of it.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yes, and if we, if every nation was on parity, like
, say, like you know, canada,like every nation, every nation
you were surrounded with was thesame economic level, then it
doesn't matter, you don't needtariffs because it just flows
across.
It's like from like from me.
Going from Missouri to Arkansasto Texas, it doesn't really
matter, it's the same.
Going from Missouri to Arkansasto Texas, it doesn't really
matter, it's the same.

(57:06):
But when you're talking aboutin a modern era where you've got
slave labor and noenvironmental regulations or
you've got corrupt government,like you've got that oligarchy
with the communist oligarchythat you have in China, you can
just put your factory there andthen you ship it back in to the
United States free of charge.
But it's funny, the Chinesetook our playbook.
They're using the same playbookthat we used 100 years ago.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
That's the norm.
That was the norm for nationbuilding, and NAFTA created a
situation that was the exactopposite of what you're talking
about.
It fostered service as ourproductivity.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
It really is.
We're going to have to againpay attention.
This is going to be a weirdnext four years.
And even it freaked me out,monica, that Biden was talking
about tariffs before you know,on his way out.
You know, before he was kickedout of the race, you know
there's got to be a reason.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I mean, you know, I think it's probably a
manipulation of the monetarysystem, more than it has to do
with that and we're loode-dollarization, I try.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I mean, that's my wheelhouse.
People are sick of me talkingabout it, but it's like it's
happening.
So right.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Well, the end of the petrodollar in the springs, like
just a huge ordeal that nobodyis discussing.
I mean, I I'm kind offrightened by it because that
propped this up so much you'dhave just run away inflation if
those dollars come back.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
They are.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
They are 80 of all the energy transactions right
now going in dollars.
And I try to tell people howimportant it was like in just in
june of this year we had the50-year agreement with the
saudis with the petrodollar thatwe did back in 1974 and they
just let it lapse.
So, like all these you knowconspiracy theorists and people
in alternative media andresearch are like well, we just

(58:48):
go around the world, we'rebullying people, getting middle
east to prop up the petrodollar.
I'm like not anymore.
So what is it?
You know?
I mean, we literally just wejust walked away.
There was no summit, there wasno deals, there was no hey.
So I asked people like what doyou think is going to happen
when those 80% of transactionsthat go on in dollars and crude
oil that's denominated intoenergy and natural gas all

(59:08):
around the world, what happenswhen they replace it with a
basket of currencies and allthose dollars, like you said,
monica, come home and they'rerepatriated.
That's something calledTriffin's dilemma, and you know
Robert Triffin, the economist inthe 1960s this is before we
went off the gold standard.
Same thing when you become theworld's reserve currency, you

(59:30):
have to put in.
There's a.
You know, again, there's an endgame to this.
What happens when they reapthose dollars that you created
to stock those central banks,which isn't the quadrillions?
What happens when they comehome?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
well, maybe why trillions is too much, but they
could have done that, startingin 2008 to fill that dollar
collapse.
So the the dollar you know wehad a debt collapse basically in
2008 and they've been trying to.
That's why they had zerointerest rates in perpetuity and
I think that's why they didCOVID was to get that print
those dollars to fill it up Likemaybe-.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I got the quadrillions figure from Robert
Kiyosaki, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, no, that is way beyond what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I didn't make that up Like've heard.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Oh no, I believe you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah, because of derivatives and stuff like the
like it's like whatever'sdenominated in dollars and like
over since 1944, since brett tomwoods, and I mean it's not
quadrillions, but it's like athousand threats, so people
don't even understand how much atrillion is it's.
So it's such a large number,but you're absolutely right and
and that's that may be.
We're on something here withthe tariffs and it's not about

(01:00:28):
yeah, no, it's probably aboutthe dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Euro dollars or are, like you know, have that same
kind of multiplicative effect.
I don't, it's been.
I.
I never really reallyunderstood that stuff like I I
did.
I was an investment banker.
I I did bonds, not likegovernment bonds, like bonds
that companies would sell fordebt.
It was very small scale, so Idon't get the super big picture

(01:00:55):
of the currency, but I get theidea that this stuff we have way
more dollars than we could everuse at home and if it comes
back you're going to need waymore dollars to buy stuff, have
way more dollars than we couldever use at home and if it comes
back you're going to need waymore dollars to buy stuff.
Like more dollars if you were,you know, chasing the same goods
we don't have enoughwheelbarrows yeah, maybe you
just have a class and then.

(01:01:15):
And then you have the new dollar, which is cbdc.
But some people think we're notgoing to get cbdc that.
And then I had this othertheory, that that they move
towards a like de facto privategovernment world government
thing through foundations orwhatever, and then Bitcoin is
the de facto world currency.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
You know what I think ?
I think you're trying to bogartyour notes and not show us what
you got on that paper.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Me.
Oh, I'll tell you.
It's just like specific thingsabout people, but I wanted to
say I'm just playing, no likechristy gnome.
Like that's a good one she's.
I think she's there because shedoesn't know anything about the
job they're gonna give her mypuppy was real upset about that
one oh, oh yeah, because shelikes to kill dogs but she

(01:02:02):
defends herself.
She's, the dog was a jerk.
I don't know farmers, you knowwhat I mean.
Like I don't like to get inpeople's business.
Like if the dog you know howjerky was the dog Is the dog
eating your chickens?
He's got to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Well, we got Chris back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Hi Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So I was telling people.
You know, when you weren't here, Chris, and I think we got the
times wrong on when to record,but you were visiting the Upside
Down and the Stranger Thingsworld.
No-transcript, You're able toview that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
The monster from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Montauk, yeah, from the Upside Down and the Stranger
Things, I was making a joke, Iknow, I know, I was trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
I'm like, yeah, no, I misread a text, or I actually
only read part of one and I hadanother thing scheduled,
unfortunately, because I thoughtwe were doing it a couple of
hours.
I apologize, veryunprofessional.
Oh, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
You couple of hours.
I apologize.
Very unprofessional.
Oh, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
It's my, it's my buffet again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Another fat joke.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Um, but yeah, we're all pizza.
Yeah, glad you're here at thedigest.
I'm glad I'm here too.
Thank you, I'm glad you're here, but I digest.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
I'm glad I'm here too .

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Thank you.
We had a great talk with Monica, and will you hang around for
another 10 minutes, Monica?
Is that okay?
Oh sure.
Yes, I'm not sure, chris hassome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Bottom of the hour is fine with me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Okay, cool, cool.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Chris, you got anything.
Some of my most entertainingconversations were with Ms
Monica Perez.
Yeah, some of my mostentertaining conversations were
with Ms Monica Perez.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yeah, We've had some good shows.
What's our next topic?

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Chris, I think I had mentioned the DC sniper thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
You know there's no one, yeah, bring it Perf.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Yeah, but anyway, what other topics did you guys
have mentioned?
I came in towards the AI thing,which I don't know what to make
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Let me ask you a question.
Why do you think the reasonTrump got a clear mandate
through popular vote andelectoral college?
What do you think he's up to?
What do you think they're up towith that?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Well, this isn't going to get me any friends or
whatever, but I think Trump isjust playing his part and a lot
of the weirdness, even, you know.
See, here's the thing I heardSam Tripoli.
He was mentioning on a show Ithink it was the fighter and the
kid with Brian Callen andBrendan Schwab and he had

(01:04:38):
mentioned about how he didn'tbelieve the assassination
attempt.
I didn't either, but here's thething that got Brendan and
Brian upset.
It was almost a Sandy Hook-ishmoment when they brought up the
firefighter that was shieldinghis family Getting killed, and I
understood what Sam was saying,but I understood why they would

(01:05:01):
get upset with him, becausethese psyops are so intricate
and so evil that who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Who knows whether that we don't know anything
about that guy that's what I'msaying.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
It looks real.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
A lot of that looks real.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
That's the idea, though there was a really weird
thing about the guy who washelping him around the back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Remember there was.
I'm saying it looks real.
You know, a lot of that looksreal.
That's the idea, though, Aboutthe guy who was helping him
around the back.
Remember there was.
I don't know if he's Hispanic,I can't remember a person of
color and he had blood on hiswhite shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Okay.
So it all looked very real tome and I usually think stuff
like that looks super fake.
He was around back and somereporter was asking him
questions and he was kind offrazzled and walking away and as
he finishes I'm totally buyingthe whole thing.
And as he finishes he turnsaround.
He's kind of waits a second.
He says my name is, you know,raul martinez or whatever, and

(01:05:52):
she at the same time rememberedshe was supposed to ask his name
, I think, and she said what'syour name?
So he was answering thequestion before she answered it
and I was like she forgot herline.
And uh, and so I don't knowabout that, and and it was a
little convenient of him to beable to have a uniform next to
him at the RNC, like uh and Isaw two different pictures, um,

(01:06:14):
and I could never find thepicture again, but there was an
earlier picture of a the personwho was shot in a different area
of the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I saw it too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I thought oh, you did , I thought it was a different
victim and I I never found thepicture.
Yeah, they said there was only.
Yeah, he was like up and on aground on the like laying.
Yeah, and I could never findthat picture again.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
I was like but that, this isn't that, so it's
possible, the guy possiblyactually somewhat, it's probable
, let's just say that probablethat someone you know, people
got hurt, got shot and died, butyou never know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
But that's why they get mad.
See, that's the thing that getspeople to believe that it was
real, because Trump wouldn't.
Maybe he would act, maybe hewould do a PR stunt, but what he
wouldn't do is let somebody getkilled.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
So you've crossed a line now, and that's the purpose
that that part of the narrativeserves I'm sort of middle of
the road, like it seems, likeeveryone else here in so far as
politics are concerned.
But one way I kind of gotpeople I knew are very
conservative about that.
I said, yes, that's going tohappen to the antichrist.
It's in Revelation 13.
It says the beast will suffer amortal wound, basically to his

(01:07:23):
head.
He won't die and miraculouslyhe'll be healed and the world
will be amazed because of it.
I go there, you go guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I am worried that third time's a charm.
I'm worried about that.
That would be, bad, that wouldbe a black mass trauma event oh
yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
So I you know, like our mutual friend Don Jeffries
always says he's an actor.
You know, I thought he was anactor before I knew Don and I
think he was selected probablyin the early 2000s, you know,
when he gave the infamous 9-11interview about oh, there had to
have been explosives in thebuilding.

(01:08:04):
He was being the conspiracycandidate even back then.
I think anything he does in thefuture is suspect.
That's the thing Everyonethinks.
I keep hearing people that Ieven respect that are saying, oh
, thank god he's back.
Oh, it's back to normal, yeah,but did he really do much last

(01:08:27):
time?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
no, I, I said I I said I was relieved that that's
what we discussed last uh showthe reprieve, economically,
financially.
I don't think it's any time torelax.
I think it's time to continueto prepare and continue to push
ahead.
But I'm kind of agnostic whenit comes to Trump.
I don't think he's theAntichrist.
I just like annoying people bysaying that because it's

(01:08:50):
difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
The first time around , he didn't let us come out of
our houses and he increased itby 50%.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Sorry, Mr Anderson.
No, that's when he lost me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
That's January 6th, people tell.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Yeah, I told my father I go, I don't even know
if I'm going to vote for him,and it was right when he was
shutting down the economy.
I go, what is he doing?
This makes no sense.
I go, I don't even think I'llvote for him this time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
What kind of magic does he have where he can get
libertarians to forget 2020?
Have where he can getlibertarians to forget 2020.
I know, and then look at peoplelike me, like I'm some kind of
like you know left-wing kook,like I love his opposition when
I mentioned this.
I really am fascinated by that.

(01:09:32):
They leave it out.
They're like I see tweets andthen again posts everywhere.
People are like Biden shut thiseconomy down.
I'm like it was done before himand the inflation was a result
of what?

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Trump had done, but they just they can't.
Let's just remember when Trumpwas leaving office, he left some
kind of you know secretiveletter for a creepy Joe, like on
the desk of the oval office,and Biden was asked about that
and he goes oh, that's justbetween me and Donnie, or

(01:10:08):
whatever.
I still would like to know whatwere they saying, like were
they laughing at everyone'sexpense?
Like in you know in letter form.
I still would like to know whatTrump wrote to him, cause he
was Biden was smirking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I almost wonder if they like whatever plan they
have, maybe the like Iran thingor whatever.
Maybe it was just going to takea little bit longer.
So they, they had to.
You know, while that wasbrewing, they slid in the
Democrats and and like, the planwas always that this guy had to
be in the power position fromthe first, you know, and the

(01:10:43):
second, what was in the letter,chris?

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
was it or something?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
what was that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
I say that all the time no, here's something I
researched about January 6ththat connects to uh, the Iranian
general that uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Soleim, soleimani.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Yeah, yeah him.
Do you remember the story?
It kind of came and went aboutthe New York air traffic
controllers overhearing a threat, yes, on their airwaves.
Well, the threat was that theywere going to crash a plane into
the Capitol on January 6th.
Yep, that's what the thing was.
So I was always trying tofigure out, like, was there a

(01:11:22):
correlation there?
Or you know, like you just said, like, were they, was this
something they were going toplan, like even with Trump still
like in office, like to kind ofpush the Iran thing so that
when Joe got right in that,maybe they would go right to
work with that.
But january wednesday it wasjanuary 6 was the date that, uh,

(01:11:42):
the revenge, uh, for thegeneral being assassinated.
It was broadcast over the airtraffic control on january 4th.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I see it right here I couldn't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yeah, I was live on, I actually talked, was talking
to one of the Proud Boys thatwas there at the Capitol, live
on air, and I remember thatbecause that covered that same
story.
Yeah, 2020 started out.
I remember this because I wasfilling in for David Knight.
It was the first show onInfoWars of the new decade and I
was live and Trump had just hadthe General Soleimani

(01:12:15):
assassinated and the hashtag wasWorld War III and all the stuff
that was going on.
And then it just got covered up, wiped away, and then it's
COVID-1984 and away we go.
But now we're back and I thinkwe're.
This is, I think, the mostobservation, monica, on your
part, because I said the samething.
I'm like the continuity and allthese cabinet picks is rampant

(01:12:37):
Zionist.
Look at Mike Huckabee as thenominee for the ambassador to
Israel.
That should give you some pause.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yep, israel has title , which I think is a funny word
to say.
I was talking to Matt onHomeless Left and he played a
clip of Huckabee saying, likeIsrael has title of that entire
land and I'm like, actually Iknow someone who has a title to
a house there.
So Israel doesn't have a titleto house there, so israel
doesn't have a title, the entirething.
They don't let that guy go back.
Um, he's a christianpalestinian, but yeah, hugby

(01:13:08):
gnome is a loyalist, she'll dowhatever they tell.
Rubio is a big iran hawk.
Even lee zelda, the epa guy, Ithink, was like a hawk.
Michael Waltz, the Green Berethe's the guy who's the national
security advisor.
He's a big, just all-aroundhawk Hawkish on Russia, ukraine,
iran, afghanistan.

(01:13:29):
He wanted boots on the ground,he wanted to keep Afghanistan
going.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
He's an approved veteran.
I'm not approved.
A lot of these vets.
They're like oh, you're a vetand you're also pro-war.
Good, if you're a vet andyou're like I'm going to get the
troops home, oh, you're somekind of failure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
That's why they disarm the vets.
I think they come home andthey're like that was bullshit
and they're like, okay, you'vegot PTSD.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Give us your gun.
They target the veterans.
Uh, at a certain point, yes,they did, yep this brian hook,
the national security transitionteam.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
He actually gets government security because of
the solomoni killing.
He was part of that and, um,he's under like death threat
from iran, so they put him inplace.
Uh, I think they're kind ofbeards too, because I I don't
think any of that, like AnthonyBlinken was is Jewish.
I don't know if he's like anIsraeli citizen or whatever, but

(01:14:24):
they the Biden ones, were alittle.
I can see both sides, but theseguys, they're all kind of like
a lot of this Christian rightstuff or I forget what they call
it Christian.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Zionist.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah, like I said, ben Shapir was very happy about
all this and at least stefanikshe's the one that she brought
down those like basically deiheads of colleges for not being
pro-israel enough and but.
But I one thing that I I've said, that people listen to my shows

(01:14:56):
.
You've heard me say like Icouldn't understand why they
gave so much oxygen to thepro-palestinian protesters.
And now I think that they didit because they know that once
the Democrats are out of theWhite House, if then you start
the war with Iran, that thingwill just spread like wildfire,
that thing will just explode,and then they can bring in what

(01:15:17):
I think is going to be anational police force, which is
that secret servicerecommendations.
Anybody read that whole thing.
They recommend janet napolitanorecommended that the secret
service get like all thedepartments basically get gutted
.
It reports one person outsidethe system who I think is going
to be eric prince, and thatthey're all, they all um, are

(01:15:37):
totally interoperative with allthe police forces you know,
based on like butlers, like downto that granular level, and I
think if you start having civilunrest they would just be, you
know, whatever turnkey.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Well, then you would have escaped from New York,
because that was the nationalpolice force that was guarding
Manhattan Island, with SnakePlissken having to go in to save
the president, and that was thepolice force was surrounding
the biggest prison of the land.
They were called the NationalPolice Force, so I could see
that happening and I don't thinkAmerica is going to do anything

(01:16:12):
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
So this is the thing, that's the extreme.
So, like you'll see what, likeEdward Snowden was one that they
just push, push, push, likethey'll take.
They'll take a PSYOP, they'lltake a plan and if it's going
like COVID, I think, if it'sgoing well, they they just, you
know, open up subsequent phases.
They're like so.
So maybe they put all thesepeople in place and see how

(01:16:36):
people react.
And then, okay, light off acouple of rockets over to Iran,
see how people react.
And if people don't wake up allthe people voted for Trump
because they didn't want WorldWar III.
If they don't get loud aboutthat, then they keep it going,
and then all these things couldcascade.
I'm not predicting that we'regoing to have the National
Police Force in two years.

(01:16:57):
I'm just saying if we don't, ifwe don't, if, if the zeitgeist
allows that thing to progress,it could get ugly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
If people behave a little better than they did
under COVID, where they behavetoo well, then they test the
waters all the time, Every timethere's a spree shooting or
terrorist attack, or or maybeeven COVID, COVID.
Whoever they are, they'remonitoring the public's reaction
and just how far we're willingto be pushed.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
And maybe that's one of the primary purposes of COVID
Could be yeah the answer tothat is more.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
You overstressed that right through everything Ruby
Ridge building up to W going andso forth they're just trial
runs to see how we'll react like, oh, that guy's a white
nationalist, he's crazy, hedeserved that are those?
People are members of a cult.
We don't care if they burnalive or they're really
reprehensible to.
To think about how many peopleare okay with things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yeah, and the children, chris and the
christian thing and that it'schristian right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
You were the one that told me that once they started
singling out the christian right, it was our.
It was a kind of I've thoughts.
What did?
I say well, there was a wherethere was a some kind of memo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
It was going oh, yeah , oh, adrian, for a meal.
This is, like my favorite thingthat I figured out is that, uh,
if you guys, I'm sure, tony,you're old enough to remember
the um, not that you're old,thanks, but you're definitely a
baby I'm sure you're youngerthan I am.
I'm not like, like he called mea baby tony sorry, mr, so um,

(01:18:35):
but I remember ob Obama'sinformation czar, cass Sunstein,
and he wrote a memo calledConspiracy Theorist in which he
and his co-author inventedcognitive infiltration.
Do you guys all know whatcognitive infiltration is?
Yeah, so you go out and you gointo the truth or movement and

(01:18:56):
you talk about, like you know,space beams from whatever mess
it up.
Or you go into whatever, somovement, and you talk about,
like you know, space beams fromwhatever, um, mess it up or you
go into whatever, so you knowwhat it is.
There you go.
The co-author of that paperthat invented cognitive
infiltration is Adrian Vermeule.
Do you guys know who AdrianVermeule is?

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
He's a Harvard professor who is first line in
his wiki entry.
He is spearheading the movementtowards catholic integralism,
which is like a christiannationalist thing where the
united states should get theirum legislative, moral compass
from catholic teaching, which iswe're not a catholic country.

(01:19:37):
I mean, I'm fine, do it in thePhilippines, but that's not.
You know, that's not.
And this guy invented cognitiveinfiltration.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Yeah.
And I just remember youmentioning that once they start.
You know there were somerumblings that they were trying
to infiltrate some Catholicgroups or even Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Oh yes, so I do a priest from when I used to live
in Atlanta and he um saidsomebody tried to set him up,
like got him to I don't Iremember the story.
I don't like to like give theactual specific details because
I don't get anybody in troublebut basically somebody, a new
pressure, convinced him to go toa shooting range and like

(01:20:19):
literally had stuff laid out ona towel and like had the guy
touching stuff and then next toit, you know, wrapped it up.
It's like the whitmer thing,yeah and then the priest was
wise and he took it back and helike wiped it all off.
He's like, okay, now you cantake it.
Yeah, yeah, but that was, youknow, getting that somebody's
fingerprints on something.
That could you know.
That's how they do it.

(01:20:40):
Just hearing that story ingreat detail, I was like, oh,
that's how they do it.
Patsies Latin it was supposedto be this year, but it didn't
happen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
It reminds me of Hell Sees you.
I don't remember much aboutthat movie, but I remember they
got George Clooney's characterto go to the party and he didn't
know there was a guy just goingaround with a big camera
smiling at him so they couldblackmail him later it's a ditty
party, is what that is?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
um, it's one of my favorite episodes and I I
promised monica to be about anhour and you know monica from
radio always leave them wantinga little bit more, so I can't
make this as long as I wouldwant it as a show, but I want
you to come back.
You're officially I'm never andmy, my co-host will, will, uh,
back me up, you're.
You're officially the uh, thefourth member of paratrooper,

(01:21:27):
anytime right on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Thank you so much, and likewise you.
There's an open invitation onmy show.
Chris has been on my show acouple of times.
Let's do it.
Maybe we pick a topic, whatever, but wanted to.
The reason I wanted to go alittle bit longer was because I
wanted to see Chris, so I'm gladthat we stuck around a little
bit.
I'm sorry I sent you aconfusing DM.
We were wellness check.

(01:21:52):
You're like what happened?
What's wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
I should pull over and read the text all the way
through before putting a thumbsup.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Yeah Well, we're, we're, we're good, but anyway.
So thanks so much for having meon guys and, yeah, let's see
each other again soon at yourplace or mine.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Thank you, monica, thank you for being on one.
Tell people they can find youone more time, just in case.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Sure, yes, monica Perez show.
I just started a sub stack.
I think I'm going to love it.
I don't have my sea legs thereyet, but since I'm so almost
totally shadow banned on Twitterto the point where I mean I
actually consider it just like anote taking exercise at this
point it's like where I keeplike articles I want to read
later and write my innermostthoughts and DM like that's

(01:22:35):
smart.
So I'd rather do that on substack.
So I'm headed over there and.
But you can find my stuff anyon your favorite podcasting
platform Monica Perez show dotcom.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Well, a magnificent guest, even exceeding my
expectations, were already high,so I'm just so glad we're here
and, mr Anderson, you don't wantto be found, chris.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Well, I'll be appearing with Mr Donald
Jeffries in about 10 minutes aswe deconstruct the corruption
myth of Joseph Kennedy Srutilizing mob sources and CIA
sources.
That keeps getting recycledover and over and over again.
So I've been doing a marathonwith the podcast today.
So there you go, and I wish Iwas here from the beginning.
I really it's cool, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
You do so many podcasts it's hard to even keep
up and we're glad that you'rehere.
But anyway, thanks, Thankseverybody for being here, Thanks
for watching, Thanks forlistening.
Be sure and share the links.
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