#30 Paratruther Live -Business Plot Unveiled: Power Struggles, Conspiracies, & AI's Role in Today's World

Could a forgotten plot to overthrow a U.S. president rewrite the history we know? Join us as we unravel the hidden layers of the 1933 Business Plot, a scheme that almost toppled Franklin D. Roosevelt. With the brilliant Chris Graves uncovering fascinating insights about General Smedley Butler, we're diving into narratives that challenge mainstream history, examining the delicate dance between power, politics, and conspiracy. From the peculiar synchronicities in personal anecdotes to the astonishing revelations around the coup that never was, we're guiding you through a web of intrigue that remains largely untold.

Chris Graves joins us to dissect the intricate details surrounding the alleged fascist coup, shedding light on the covert operations of wealthy businessmen threatened by Roosevelt's New Deal. We venture into the murky waters of government corruption and historical manipulation, drawing parallels to events like Germany's Beer Hall Putsch. With a keen eye on the societal tensions of the era, we explore the rebellious spirit of the Bonus Army and the geopolitical chessboard that defined the prelude to World War II. Our conversation doesn't shy away from controversy, as we question the motives behind these historical shifts and the role of influential military figures like Butler.

As we weave through the chaos of geopolitical narratives and pop culture, we also tackle the unpredictable nature of AI technology and its growing influence in today's world. From Google's Gemini chatbot to the nostalgic chaos of Ronald McDonald and the Holodomor's haunting legacy, our discussion invites listeners to engage with a blend of humor, curiosity, and critical analysis. We aim to entertain and provoke thought, encouraging you to question the narratives often taken for granted and explore the complex layers of history and society. Join us for an episode that promises not just to inform, but to ignite a deeper conversation about the stories that shape our world.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to
another episode of Paratrooper.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another
episode of fair truther.
I am your host, tony arterburn,broadcasting live from deep
within the heart of texas, alongwith my co-pilot and co-host,
dean brave, at least, which isin studio with me, and I have my

(01:42):
magnificent co-host joining mefor the stream.
This is uh.
We tried to do One what, uh,two weeks ago, and I had some
technical Issues and I think wefixed some of the bugs.
Uh, we're gonna go to theaudience Tonight for
participation, questions andthings.
Different kind of Show I'm, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm doing it, sorry.
Uh, mr Sorry Tony.
Sorry, here we go.
What are you doing, chris?
I'm doing it, sorry.
Mr Sorry Tony.
All right, sorry, here we go.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Chris, Sorry, I'm just trying to minimize the
interruptions and I interruptedour excellent yeah, the intro
and I'm going to mute right now.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Go back to the private chat, Chris.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I think Chris thought he was talking to me on the
phone.
No, this was actually a liveshow, sir, and uh, it's not a
group call.
But uh, thank you.
And no, we, we love chris.
Uh, thank you for being here.
Chris graves, uh, researcher,extraordinary without peer,
always love having him on.
He's going to talk a little bittonight about, uh, the fascist
coup that wasn't with medleyleyButler, who wrote War is a

(02:48):
Racket, and we've discussed thata couple of different times off
air and I've discussed it onthe Arterburn Radio transmission
a couple of times and it's inHidden History.
So we'll go over that tonight.
And I have Mr Anderson, hisbrain, brain, he's decided to um

(03:08):
step out of the dimension thathe's he was in currently, uh to
address us here and uh hopefullyhelp us reset our timeline and
uh write things that once wentwrong.
I'm thinking of quantum leap.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Uh, thank you for being here, mr anderson yeah, of
course, it's always a pleasureto be on with you and chris.
I'm looking forward to thissmut butler stuff that Chris has
.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
There's always a joke within a joke, like a Russian
doll somewhere with is MrAnderson, chris Graves and
myself.
We make up the bulk of what isParatruth or usually, and
sometimes you'll get, you know,an interview from me.

(03:51):
That's not live or somethingthat I'll throw up on the feed.
Of course, the Art of Burnradio transmission live every
week on Thursdays at 11 amCentral Time.
I just signed a contract withWWCR, which was Bill Cooper's
old home station, and since AlexJones is no longer on the air

(04:12):
at that particular station, Iactually took the 11 am slot,
which is going to be coolbecause a lot of people listen
to that frequency.
So I'll be live on all mychannels on Thursdays, as usual,
following the David Knight Show, and if you subscribe to my
channel, that's usuallyparapolitics, precious metals,
markets, stuff like that, andTony Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, didn't you have an unusual synchronicity when
you actually were first on WWCR?
Weren't you like readingPelhors Rider at the time?
Like you had an introduction toBill Cooper and kind of found?

Speaker 3 (04:46):
out.
Yeah, that's so cool.
Yeah, I decided, you know I wasreading Pale Horse Rider, you
know, for about two years, offand on, and I read, you know,
looked into different stories onBill and his archives and it
was kind of.
It was one of those and you andI've talked about this before I
think we did a show live fromhis driveway on the anniversary

(05:07):
of his being murdered by thepolice in 2001, 20 years later,
but no, I had that was 2020.
And it was the day that myLabrador, layla died.
She died she was 13 years old,but it was a really big shock to
me and I went to my office andI was just trying to figure out.
I got to do something new, Igot to get out of this, you know

(05:29):
, just felt like I was in a, areally dark place and I called
WWCR and I signed up and got,got a contract for my first
frequency, my first slot there,and it turned out that was Bill
Cooper's birthday.
So just a little bit ofsynchronicity there.
And then I recently I came backto WWCR.

(05:51):
I'm leaving all traditionaltalk radio, terrestrial radio.
It's just not a place for meanymore.
I've outgrown it and nothingwrong with it, it's just, it's
just not for me anymore.
So I've let all my othercontracts lapse and we're going
to stick to WWCR, and then myown platforms, freeworldfm and

(06:14):
Rumble Rockfin, my Twitter, allthat good stuff.
So that's just a little bit ofhousecleaning.
And then, paratrooper, we'regoing to do our best to have
something live here on Sundays,5 pm Eastern For a little while.
Each one of us will bring astory.
We'll talk about culture,conspiracy, trending things, but
not we're going to stay out ofthe to the best of our ability.

(06:37):
Stay out of the political box.
I don't like it.
It's boring, it's too much of ajob and there's not enough
hours in the day to actuallylearn something meaningful.
And we'll try to make it a funshow too.
So that's at least the goalhere, and we're going to have
audience participation today.
So, chris, I want to start withyou, even though you started

(06:58):
with me when I was introducingthe show.
But let's start with you.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
All apologies, sir.
My family is.
I've been trying to reign themin.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
That's okay, I'm just , I'm just messing with you, I
know.
So for those who don't know,the most highly decorated Marine
Corps general of all timeHighly decorated Marine Corps
general of all time, I thinkeven until now.
It's not the most highlydecorated as far as overall, but
the most highly decorated, ifyou want to use that moniker for

(07:36):
was Smedley Butler, and SmedleyButler and he's even still used
in war colleges and stuff ontactics and other things, and
he's even still used in like warcolleges and stuff on tactics
and other things.
He wrote a book called War is aRacket back in the late 1930s
where he just gotten tired of,you know, propping up
multinational corporations andforeign policy to him was an

(07:56):
extension of finance and he wassick of it.
So he wrote War is a Racket.
I recommend it to everyone.
It's not a long book andthere's some big ideas in there
that if you that still areapplicable today.
Um, but what a lot of peopledon't know.
He died and um, I want to sayit was early 1941 21st 1940 june

(08:18):
21st yepso right before, like two days
before operation Barbarossa, oneday before Operation Barbarossa
, which was the turning of theThird Reich onto the Soviet
Union.
So that's interesting.
He died right before the UnitedStates would be drug into.

(08:40):
What Franklin Roosevelt saidwas you know, your boys will not
be sent to another European war.
I hate war.
And he was planning that allalong.
So in the interim, after theelection of FDR and I'll let you
get into this, chris there wasa period there where supposedly

(09:00):
some representatives of someindustrialists reach out to
Smedley Butler and they wantedto retake the government from
FDR like a fascist coup, like amilitary-led fascist coup.
I'll let you start.
What's the background on this?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
First of all, smedley Butler, like you were
mentioning, he had a 34-yearmilitary career and he was a
part of the Philippine-AmericanWar and the Boxer Rebellion, the
Mexican Revolution, world Warthe most decorated Marine in US
military history and by the endof his career Butler had
received 16 medals, includingfive for heroism, and he was the
only Marine to be awarded theMarine Corps Brevet Medal I

(10:01):
don't know if I'm pronouncingthat way, it's B-R-E-V-E-T,
b-r-e-v-e-t.
I went to public school folks,sorry about that as well as two
medals of honor, all forseparate actions.
So basically what had happenedwas after he retired from the

(10:21):
Marine Corps, he became anoutspoken critic of basically
our foreign policy and ourmilitary interventions and he
saw basically everything beingdriven by US business interests
not so much for the Americanpublic's interests, but you know

(10:43):
, big business or whatever wherehe basically was saying that it
was imperialistic motivationshad been the cause for pretty
much most of the operations ofhis military career and that's
what led him to write his 1935book War is a Racket.

(11:04):
I can barely speak, as you cantell, but I recorded myself
reading each one of thesechapters.
Hopefully I can get someonethat you know can pronounce
words and things like that tore-record what I had originally

(11:26):
done.
But yeah, there was a thingcalled the business plot and I
came to know about the businessplot from Governor Jesse Ventura
because he included it as oneof his chapters for his book
American Conspiracies.

(11:46):
I think it was published bySkyhorse in the year 2012.
And it was right before I cameto find the work of our mutual
friend, donald Jeffries, hiddenHistory.
So Jesse Ventura was kind oflike my intro into Donald

(12:07):
Jeffries, believe it or not.
So basically it was referred toas the business plot and it
involved Wall Street andbasically the bare bones of it
is big business wanted to stagea coup by removing FDR from

(12:32):
office, which is the weirdestthing, by the way, because FDR
was playing ball basically withthe powers that be.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well, chris, I thought part of the reasoning
behind the wall street pooch wasbecause of the entitlement
programs he created, and youknow about the pooch?
Yeah, it was called the pooch.
True, a lot of these people whoare extremely why you laughing?
A lot of these people who arewealthy were were scared of this
notion of people receivingmoney or entitlements without

(13:03):
working.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, no, you're 100%correct.
They thought that the bestcourse of action was to remove
FDR and basically take over thegovernment by installing General
Smedley Butler as a dictatorthere's no other word to really

(13:26):
put it Basically as dictator in1933.
And Smedley Butler had thecourage and he was a good man.
He wanted to expose the plotand there was a congressional

(13:46):
committee that looked into itand Smedley Butler testified and
no one went to jail for it inbig business, right, that's the
thing.
That's the thing.
It's one of those things thatshould have been taught in
American high school classes,history classes and it was

(14:07):
conveniently left out, but itwas definitely on the books and
they wanted to install adictator in the United States.
That's the bare bones of it.
I have, like the Butler and theveterans in the committee and
everything, theMcCormick-Dickstein committee.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Right, because wasn't this also after World War I?
So there was just a lot ofdisgruntled veterans who weren't
being taken care of.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Was this the?
This was what 35?
1933.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
1933.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Okay, so it was early on, early on.
So you know, franklin roosevelt, see, before before fdr became
president, um it was.
It was assumed office was onmarch 4th, yeah, so he changed
that on in his, I think goinginto his second term he changed
it.
He's like let's just get it on,like let's get it over with.

(14:59):
He changed it to january 20th,I believe.
So that was FDR's doing.
Every other presidentbeforehand, the transition
didn't happen until March 4th.
So that's early on in theRoosevelt administration.
Of course he was doing a lot ofthings like taking us well, not
necessarily off the goldstandard, but making it illegal

(15:22):
for you to own gold.
And that's where you get the inhistory, in modern politics.
That's where you get thereference to the first hundred
days, because what FDR was ableto do in the first hundred days
of his presidency, he hadsomething called the Brains
Trust and he had Harry Hopkins,which was his Mandel House.

(15:46):
People that know about WoodrowWilson had a guy named Colonel
Mandel House who wasn't acolonel, who was a
representative of internationalbanking.
That's what Harry Hopkins wasto FDR.
And so I've read about this andI wanted you to bring it up and
we can definitely discuss it.
So I've read about this and Iwanted you to to bring it up and
we can definitely discuss it.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I I remember how sad connections to the beginning of
the finders cult in 1987.
A lot of people don't know thateither at the beginning of that
very dark individual, yeah, youtalking about house or or yeah,
yeah, that, that of course thatwas.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
He wrote a book called uh philip drew
administrator.
A lot of people don't know that, but it was like outlying all
the uh socialistic changes thatneeded to happen at the highest
levels.
This was all.
Again, it's all socialengineering.
I'm wondering if if in yourresearch you're seeing kind of
the same thing that I have onthis uh and it's called a putsch

(16:45):
.
You know that's where you getlike the beer hall putsch from.
You know in Germany during the1920s it's a famous beer hall
putsch.
You know where Hitler, you know, in the young Nazi party, tried
to overthrow the government?
Well, it was referred to as thewall street putsch and the white

(17:06):
house putsch, and for those outthere that want to research,
it's uh, p-u-t-s-c-h, yeah, yeahyeah, that's and again I think
they put those two thingstogether yeah, uh, outlying like
fascism as the enemy, and um,which is interesting because you
brought up the point that hewas playing ball and we forget,

(17:30):
because we're kind of just drawninto the left-right paradigm of
like, oh well, it's highfinance versus all these commies
, when it's not really how thatworks.
I mean high finance and thehigher levels you go always
funds it.
So I'm wondering if this was away kind of like a probe,
because you know Smedley Butler,if you know anything like if
they did any research on SmedleyButler.

(17:51):
This is a guy that's beyondreproach.
He's not somebody that wouldoverthrow the government.
He has the ability to becausehe had the tactics, he had the
military knowledge.
He certainly could have donesome serious damage internally
if he wanted to do that.
But I'm wondering, just from myresearch, it's like you throw
it out there and you see whowould join it, and then that's

(18:15):
the way you flush out yourenemies.
It's almost like, and if it'smade public it makes FDR look
like a victim or gives him evenmore sympathy from the crowd,
like he's just trying to do hisjob and there's these fascists
that are out there trying tooverthrow the government Is did
you, did you see any of that inyour?
Your research is kind of like.

(18:36):
It almost looks like a falseflag of some kind.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I haven't.
To be honest with you, I don'twant to say like, oh yeah, I
definitely came across somenefarious thing like that.
I haven't.
That's not to say that it's notthere, but with his death.
Tony, are you familiar with hisdeath at all?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I just know that he died right before and you just
mentioned I didn't realize itwas like two days before or
actually one day beforeOperation Barbarossa, and a lot
of people if you don't know whatOperation Barbarossa was and a
lot of folks don't evenunderstand this that on the
timeline, because we always likeWorld War II was the good war,
you know, like the war we had tofight and we had no choice and

(19:20):
all this other stuff.
That's not how any of thisworks.
And if you go back to USinvolvement, you know 1939,
hitler invades Poland onSeptember 1st.
That was a delayed reactionbecause the Third Reich couldn't
believe that England would givea war guarantee to Poland, like
that was not.
They didn't see that comingbecause Germany didn't want to

(19:44):
fight Britain.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
They wanted to fight the Soviet Union.
They had to do that to givePoland to the Soviet Union after
the war.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Right.
So that's exactly right.
So they give Poland a warguarantee.
So Poland doesn't negotiate,doesn't have.
A lot of people don't realizethat Germany was offering Poland
like, hey, just give us backthe port of Danzing which is
German speaking, that was takenafter the Treaty of Versailles
in World War I, and we'll buildyou a highway, we'll have the
Autobahn.
I'm not even just agreeing withit, I'm just saying that's what

(20:11):
it wasn't like give us this orwe're going to blow you up.
It was like let us have someinfrastructure, trades and all
this stuff.
There's just going to be war,and so that's why.
So poland just said we have awar guarantee with britain.
So there was no morenegotiation, no more anything.

(20:32):
And that's what kicked off,because it was britain that
declared war on germany, not theother way around.
I mean, germany invaded poland,but that was the the kickoff to
the war.
The united United States StateDepartment didn't help.
You had the Battle of Britainand you had Dunkirk and all this
stuff that was happening.
The United States StateDepartment wanted to stay so

(20:56):
clear that FDR was in somewhatof trouble after this was going
into his third term.
He was in somewhat forgiving,like lend-lease and like, hey,
you can have these bases here.
We'll lend you some things.
You can.
You know, we'll lease back someof your islands and other ports
and other things that we'reusing for our own to expand our
own empire.
But that was the extent of it.

(21:17):
Nobody was coming to helpChurchill until and that's where
, you know, this is wherehistory gets funny, you know,
because a lot of people don'trealize this until operation
barbarossa, which was hitler,turned on the soviet union.
They had the pact of steel.
He had, like the, all thisstuff that had gone on in the
periphery.

(21:37):
They even shared, like the, youknow, breaking up poland and
doing other things.
Um, but that was all.
If you read mein kampf and allthe stuff that you know hitler
was talking about, it's calledlevinstrom, there's living space
.
So they were trying.
It was never about invading,they didn't even want britain,
they didn't want any of that no,they were mad about the stab in

(21:58):
the back.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
They came.
Yeah, the adults lost yeah, inearnest, and um thought they
were going to be treated fairlyand they weren't.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
And there's a lot to unpack there.
It's not like modern courthistorians are the laziest, I
mean.
I mean they really did, theyjust like it's fantasy work.
It's like you don't.
You're not even talking aboutthe real geopolitics that that
prop this up.
But I guess what I'm saying iswhen Hitler invaded the Soviet
Union, it activated our statedepartment.

(22:28):
I wonder why?
Why did the state departmentget so animated about helping
Stalin's Russia but notChurchill's England?
And that's because it'scommunism.
You know that they just sharetheir fellow travelers like
Alger Hiss that Nixon exposedback in 48.
This was a guy who was likebeloved establishment, working

(22:50):
with FDR, and in the StateDepartment was a known communist
sympathies.
So when that kicks off, that'swhat activates the State
Department.
Ok, it was Operation Barbarossa.
So if you had a healthy,vibrant Smedley Butler, he

(23:11):
probably would have done kind oflike Cary Mullis would have
done against the PCR test, youknow.
So you've got to get rid ofthese people.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, and I think maybe one of the reasons these
actors were keen on Butler isbecause he did have such a high
pedigree and was well respectedand there were plenty of
disgruntled vets at the time.
I mean they marched on CapitolHill the bonus army in 1932,
remember because they wantedadjustments to their
compensation.
So I think they believed thathe would have the backing of all
these people who fought duringthe First World War.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, and in the interim he'd written more as a
racket and completely changed.
I think he just learned lessonsfrom being a warrior and saying
I didn't go to South America onbehalf to promote, you know,
democracy and freedom, it wasbehalf of the United Fruit
Company.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Fruit Company.
Yeah, yeah, and to see if theywould play ball.
And if they didn't play ball,then you were an enemy of the
United States.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, anybody who's actually seen, like any rational
human being, that's actuallyseen more and lived through it,
uh, and especially commandedpeople, and then you get the
true origin story of why youwere there in the first place.
It's going to change you,unless you're just, unless you
can compartmentalize it.
There's a lot of people thatcan, uh, they continue down the
road.
They can compartmentalize itlike it doesn't really matter.

(24:39):
But if you're a thinking personlike you, have one extra step
in your, in your makeup, thenyou're going to realize that
it's wrong.
And that's what Smedley.
But that's why he's a great man.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Like you know, he turned, he did an about and your
adjusted perspective afterleaving combat and war and what
was really accomplished duringthat 20 years, right with Iraq
and everything else in that area?
I mean, just blew up a bunch ofbrown children.
That was it.
That's an oversimplification,but I've heard that said before.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's pretty much.
It Really what the MiddleEastern war is.
You've got to look back atpost-911, and you get Wesley
Clark I talk about this a lot On9-12-2001, the former Supreme
Allied Commander of NATO, who'dretired four-star General Wesley
Clark, who I don't really evenlike, but he did at least

(25:51):
espouse that.
He came in and talked toeverybody at the Pentagon and
they're like oh, we're about tohit Iraq and he goes.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Tony, was that the infamous seven countries?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Seven countries in five years.
That's right, and they alreadyhad the battle plans drawn and
like how do you do that?
How do you have everythingdrawn up beforehand?
And that's where you get likepenac, the project for the new
american century, september of2000, saying we need a pearl
harbor style event.
That's where you get therollback yeah, they already had
the plans drawn up.
That's right um so like thethings are already there and if

(26:23):
you're wondering, like, why didwe do that in the middle East?
It's just chaos.
It really wasn't a policyobjective.
Maybe it was in the minds ofsome people, but truly it's.
It serves a lot of ends and ifyou know anything about like
origin stories of 9-11 and luckyLarry Silverstein and the
dancing Israelis- they had a TimOsmond on the back burner as

(26:47):
the designated boogeyman forthat operation.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
I believe for a while .

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, and can we just point out right here that Alex
Jones wasn't the first topredict 9-11.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Mr Bill Cooper was.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Listening to Bill Cooper, I get so tired of him I
know, tony.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Tony, I know you have your affiliation with InfoWars.
I'm not speaking for you, buttoo many people credit Alex
Jones with predicting 9-11.
Alex Jones, in my opinion, Ididn't know, I can't really
prove this, but he was a big fanof Mr Bill Cooper.
He had to have seen Bill's June28th broadcast where he

(27:24):
predicted he called him a liar.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Bill Cooper called him a liar.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
cooper called him a liar, I mean and he said they
have plenty of broadcast.
He would never have him back onbecause he was, uh, swearing
all the time.
But bill cooper for those outthere that don't know, I believe
it was june 28, 2001 was billcooper breaking down the fact
that cnn was practicallybragging how they got the

(27:48):
exclusive interview with TimOsmond, aka Mr Osama bin Laden,
who had been in the news for thepast two years prior to that.
And then, in July of 2001, alexJones comes on his thing saying
oh, call the White House andtell them that we're on to them.

(28:09):
We know exactly what's going onand everything.
That was Bill Cooper.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, alex Jones was listening to that Bill.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Cooper show.
I swear yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
And what really got me was when Tony and I went on
that pilgrimage of sorts, andlittle did we know you had also
gone on one at the same time alittle bit Like a week later.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
God bless you.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
But Alex Jones didn't give a shit or a shout out to
Bill Cooper on the 20thanniversary of his death.
I mean, that's just reallyrevealing to me.
So anyways, I wanted to pointthat out because I hear it all
the time and it's one of the fewtimes I feel the need to
correct anybody who says it itwas Bill Cooper.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
He was the one, and also Mr Anderson.
I don't want to make this allabout Bill Cooper, but Alex
Jones lost a lot.
I lost a lot of respect for MrAlex Jones when he had the guy
that gave Bill up after Bill wasmurdered.
He had his neighbor, theneighbor that gave Bill up to

(29:04):
the FBI or whoever on hisbroadcast and you can still find
it on you he had that doctor onhe had.
I think it was the doctor, itwas the guy he supposedly,
supposedly friend well, it was afriend that gave up the court,
like basically the out that,basically his driveway and
everything that you guys weretalking about and everything

(29:25):
gave up the layout.
And, uh, it was the same peoplethat were trying to get uh,
bill's daughter, um,unfortunately, who.
She ended up working with thembecause if you look at alan
handelman's show on youtube,wait a minute.
Chris, who started.
Well, his older daughter, his,his older, not his chinese, not

(29:48):
half Chinese daughter, but I'msaying the daughter that was
estranged from him, was beingpressured by the authorities for
the layout of Bill's house,including if he had any kind of
booby traps where the weaponswere and everything.
And Jessica, jessica was thedaughter Right, right, and I'm
not sure if they got to her ornot, but Bill felt like maybe

(30:08):
that was the right, right and Ithink.
I'm not sure if they got to heror not, but Bill felt like
maybe that was the case.
And that last interview withBill, a week before he was
murdered, is on the AlanHandelman show and it's on.
I did it with Mr Tom Cooperwhen I had a show called
Conspiring with Tom Cooper.
It's on Rumble.
Still, I ended up playing thatlast interview towards the end

(30:31):
of our tribute to Mr Cooper.
And you know, whatever youthink about Alex Jones, you know
whatever you know my, my goodfriend, don Jeffries, like he
gives Alex a lot of credit forBohemian.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Grove.
He deserves credit.
Alex Jones has done a lot.
It's just funny when hesensationalizes, like even post
Bohemian Grove.
He deserves credit.
Alex Jones has done a lot.
It's just funny when hesensationalizes Even
post-Bohemian Grove.
After he shot that footageBill's dead and Alex isn't he
later said grab my ass overthere, all these guys.
He has to throw that in there.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I always have to bring up Mr Bill Cooper and Dave
McGowan.
They're alive.
Whatever you think of AlexJones, you know he can be
entertaining, I'll give him that.
But in terms of the wholecredit thing, you have to look
at that closer, in my opinion,because there was a reason why
he was able to capture thatfootage and just walk away.

(31:24):
But that's just me.
I'm not speaking for Tony, mr,mr anderson, anybody else but
bill cooper.
Rest in peace, and I reallywish you were still around right
.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, that was quite the 9-11 detour.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Sorry, tony all right , yeah, sorry, tony, yeah well,
that's the point of paratrooperyou just go down the roads that
uh present itself, and that'sfine.
We're just a little bit.
It's the chaos.
I like a little bit of chaos, Ilike a bit of stream of
consciousness.
It's fine, you guys, and nobodytells you what to say no
there's no script.
Uh, we're definitely not onnetflix making 20 million, so um

(31:58):
, I'll give you that I wish andI look into that, tony look into
that.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, look into that, tony, please we should Tony,
please we should try, I'll sellout.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Come on, give me a chance, just one chance.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
So that's right and I love Bill Cooper and he's been
such an inspiration to me as abroadcaster and researcher.
He definitely was tapped intosomething that I believe was
metaphysical.
I don't believe that it's alllike just what he absorbed.
I think it's the way he lookedat the world and if you've read

(32:37):
and I've read, you knowbiographies on him and I've
listened to his shows and Ihighly recommend the Mystery
Babylon stuff that he had.
I think it's like how many80-something-something odd
episodes Chris in the MysteryBromwell Just about.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
He has almost 100,.
I believe.
He would do an hour on WWCR1993, all the way up to the end
1993, all the way up until 2001.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Just listen to the first that he does right On the
Kubrick movie and tell me youcan't get hooked.
Just delves into all thesymbology.
He even breaks down.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
The lion king.
The lion disney's the lion king.
He breaks down like he was onthe ball well, there might be
stuff to that.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean, if you consider aladdin and jafar, yeah
, it just reminds me of rasputin.
Yeah, I'm gonna go into some ofthe comments, since we're about
halfway through the show.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
I'll go into.
And Jafar, it just reminds meof Rasputin, it does.
I'm going to go into some ofthe comments.
Since we're about halfwaythrough the show, I'll go into
Audience participation.
You guys got questions.
Rumble Rockfin are on myTwitter.
I want to go into some of thecomments that are over on
Rockfin.
Randy Leeds says caught alive.
Mr Arterburn, thank you for allyour hard work.
I missed the intro, wonderingwhere mr anderson is streaming

(33:51):
from today.
Is it space?
Are you in space?
Are you in zero gravity, mranderson, or are you just
between dimensions?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
no, I, I weigh myself down pretty well, like what
I've been here you're wait,you're waited.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
He's waited down by the expectations of this
particular mortal existence.
Uh, so he's.
He's in between dimensions.
We'll give him that.
I don't know if he's in thishemisphere, but he definitely is
around, let's see.
Um, we got dustin helm hemp car.
I like that nameemp Car is overin the chat over on Rockfin.

(34:29):
It says defense to Americaninterests, us corporate
interests.
That's exactly right.
Christopher Mincy is over onRockfin as well.
Randy Leet oh, we alreadymentioned Randy, sorry about
that.
And Christopher Mincy.
Tony is the military version ofDavid Knight.
Okay, well, that's fun.
Tony is the military version ofDavid Knight.
Okay, well, that's fun, I'm themilitary version.

(34:50):
Is that like the dumbed-downversion?
Is that like the?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Let me see your war face.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
He's painted much better than I'm crayons.
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Tony, you know something.
You know in my own opinion.
You're your own person.
David Knight, nothing againstMr Knight.
You're your own person, dude.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Every week.
What a privilege.
I get to do a show with Davidand we do about 30 to 45,
depending on how David feels.
We talk markets and geopoliticsand precious metals and all
kinds.
I promise you folks, if you hadto do that every Thursday it
would make you a better speaker,because David doesn't let you

(35:32):
just do BS Like you have to.
I have to have something to tellhim, like there has to be some.
He already knows.
What are you telling him?
He doesn't know, and so it'spretty hard to do.
He already talks about most ofthis stuff, but we ended up
having a good show everyThursday, so be sure and tune

(35:57):
into that.
Uh, love david.
And of course, over on uh onrumble.
Uh lto right race.
A lot of truth, that's prettycool.
Uh, prescott bush also was oneof the traitors that tried to
get smedley to lead 500 000troops to overthrow the
government.
That does ring a bell thatPrescott Bush would have been,
because he's always kind of like.
You know, a lot of people don'trealize it was Prescott Bush.
He was a senator.
And that's Poppy's daddy, it'sPoppy's Poppy.

(36:19):
Prescott Bush was a senator.
He was on the masthead thefirst fundraising letter for
Planned Parenthood, along withMargaret Sanger, and it was him
trading with the Enemies Act.
That's why you have the USO.
People don't realize that theUSO, like what we do for the
troops and all the stuff for theentertainment that was brought

(36:42):
to you by Prescott Bush and theunion.
Was it Union Banking Companythat he had pushed, like his the
Harriman with Italy?

Speaker 1 (36:47):
had pushed Harriman Harriman with Italy, Avril
Harriman.
Well yeah, Harriman, the steelcompany with Hitler's.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Germany.
Yeah, so they were trading upuntil even after 1939.
And that was one of the reasonshe had to do like a PR thing.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
He didn't get charged with trading with the Enemies
Act.
He didn't get charged.
Surprisingly, shockingly right.
No, nothing Like the commissionthat was investigating the
business plot Didn't go anywhere.
No one got charged, quietlywent away.
It's not in the history booksand we're talking about it now
to shed some light on it because, uh, it's very important in my

(37:30):
opinion and people like jesseventura and others you know,
brian bradley says now the newbrain trust will be organoid
tissue on microchips.
That'll be the new brains trustis he talking about cyberdyne
and the skynet and everything I?
I watched those movies.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I've got a story that I pulled.
So my little contribution toParatrooper Live tonight will be
fun, because it's about AI andthen the race.
A lot of truth.
Those seven countries are thecountries Israel he spells it
I-Z, r-a-e-h-e-l-l.

(38:09):
Wanted to invade and destroy.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah, understanding geopoliticsand how all of this works, it's
not convenient for thenarrative manufacturers.
If you know what you're lookingat, you're like that's just
total, that's total nonsense.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I remember when Bill O'Reilly on his no spin program
from back in the day, anytimethat you had a so-called
conspiracy theorist that wasbringing up things that were
weird about the Iraq war and9-11, he would say well, you
know, well, I can't do a BillO'Reilly, but he was, he'd be
like you don't understandgeopolitics like I do.

(38:50):
It's like shut up, Bill, Gospin yourself.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
My favorite recording of him is not the one where he
says F it, we'll do it live.
It's the one where he calledthe lady that worked for him and
was telling her about how theywere going to take a shower.
Obdm plays it all the time.
Our big dumb mouth Shout out to.
Obdm One of the greatestpodcasts in history.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Midnight Mike.
Midnight Mike.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Shout out to Midnight .
Mike, that's one of thefunniest, like they always, just
he was not doing that that wasnot supposed to be like a wide
audience thing.
So like anytime you're doingthat, guys like talking, just
make sure you might be a memeone day.
What are you saying, mr?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Anderson.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Oh no, I've never listened to that.
I was curious how he made thejump or transition to the shower
.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I think that had something to do with the lawsuit
that got him off of Fox News.
I could be wrong, but I thinkthat was the impetus that
recording.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Something like it.
It's pretty funny.
It doesn't sound like him.
No, no, so he's a creep anyway.
Uh, true, and just somebodythat's in it by the, just an
impediment.
People like him have just beenan impediment to actually
studying what's going on, soit's like you haven't been a
help.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
That he's preventing someone else from holding that
seat.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
You're in the way it's like a lot of people like.
It's one of the reasons I ranfor Congress and I tried to do
something in politics.
For you know, and I don't knowthat I'll ever do that again but
I reason I did is like there'sso much you can do here.
You don't do it, you know.
And then people that get peoplethat get an easy seat in
congress where what I mean by aneasy seat, let's say, you're

(40:31):
elected in deep east texas, aslong as you take care of those
folks and you share their values, like you can be there for 50
years.
Why not take it and run and andand be a defender of the
constitution and of liberty andbe you know, know you have the
you're.
You're only one of like what400 and some odd people like use

(40:51):
it and they don't.
I know that's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's how I knew Tucker was on the way out and he
had made peace with it, causehe kept referring to Janet
Yellen as a lizard.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Right Little like crop photo of a lizard in a suit
, as he said, like old, likewhat we're doing right here,
like this is new media, yeah,and we just need to invest in
new media your own streams, yourown websites, your own things
like getting, get on places thatit's less likely for you to be
censored and build an audience.
The old thing is dead.

(41:22):
It's like you're, it's likeyou're going out of your way to
get back into the talkies.
Remember the?
What the talkies were likebefore?
sound like you had like some guyplaying a piano in the theater
and then they would throw likethe subtitle.
Charlie Chaplin like fall yeah Alot of those guys, a lot of
those people.
They couldn't make thetransition from from the silent

(41:43):
films to the talkies.
That's right.
And so what I mean is likewe're, this is like 2.0 if there
is, like they're going to try.
That's why censorship's been sorampant.
But if you can create a goodshow and you have great
conversation, like there's nogovernor here, like we're going
to talk whatever, if whatever'sinteresting, I try to keep the
language to apply, becausepeople thank me for not yeah

(42:03):
using profanity on my streamsbecause a lot of the people have
their kids listen to it,because they can have a place
that's safe.
So I'll do everything in mypower to keep it from having
profanity and stuff.
But but there's, there's no.
Like we, we don't meet for morethan like two minutes.
I just tell like, we're goingto talk about x, we're going to
talk about y, that sounds greatand, uh, let the ideas flow.
The man you can't compete withthat if you're MSNBC or Fox News

(42:28):
.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
The transition reminds me kind of like during
the Revolutionary War, where theBritish were still accustomed
to fighting a certain way rightand the Americans did the
calculus and said we're going todo guerrilla warfare.
It's kind of how I view thisnew fold of media, or
alternative media.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
That's right, and if you just go like authenticity,
authenticity is a is a powerfulweapon to wield.
I was reading something theother day.
It was like the somebody hadtaken people and put them in
like a deprivation tank and justlike try to measure like their
output, to see like what theirfrequencies would be if they

(43:05):
were thinking about certainthings, and one of them was like
it's like negative thoughts orlike hatred would emanate a
certain way, but then the morepowerful one than that was love,
and then one that was like blewall of them away was just
authenticity, like just beingokay with your, with who you are
, and expressing like your self,like your true self.

(43:27):
I thought that was reallyinteresting to read, because
that's that's where we're headed.
It's like you want to be nextlevel, you got to be really
authentic and it may.
It may cost, so like I've paida big price for that, but it's
an investment, because in thelong run, I won't be one of

(43:47):
these people by the roadsidethat knew something to be wrong
or knew something wasn't rightabout what they were promoting,
but did it because they didn'twant to lose their audience.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Right.
I have everything that's beenon my mind Billy's made mention
of this many times on AmericaUnplugged, because he's fighting
that same sort of trade-offwhere he feels like he's losing
people, but he's being honest tohimself and going with his gut,
and that's what you have to do.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, billy's been alone for a long time with the
Trump stuff especially, and I'venever disagreed with what Billy
was saying, but I haven't beenas vocal about it.
But I give all the power, theall the credit in the world to
billy ray valentine, becausehe's never, he's never shied

(44:34):
away from it, regardless ofwhatever kind of hate mail he's
getting.
So, uh, and I think that'sreally refreshing and not to say
that, tony, that you haven't,you know, gone out on a limb
with your opinions either.
I just I feel like Billy's like, from what he's told me, like
he's got like so much hate.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Most of the hate mail Tony receives, it's actually me
, it's from you, it's a sigh of.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
It's a sigh of.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Valander5 over on Rumble said it's not O'Reilly,
but remember the hammering.
Stop the hammering.
That was O'Donnell.
Lawrence O'Donnell, LawrenceO'Donnell.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
They were doing some construction and he was trying
to go live and he was like whatis?
I keep hearing this hammering?

Speaker 1 (45:24):
He was so mad.
That is so long ago.
Yeah, it's right stop thehammering these christian bale
type moments capture oh good foryou, oh man you're a nice guy,
but, yeah, you're a nice guy,but you're in my effing life I
was gonna tell you too, chris.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I mean, when you came and visited us in, uh, in the
ozarks and branson, uh, chriswas fascinated by the
convenience store chains comeand go.
He was fascinated by that and,uh, they recently sold out and
there's no more.
They're going to be bought by acompany called maverick.
And uh, melissa sent me a linktoday and she also wanted.

(46:04):
She's got something for you andwe're going to send it to you.
She's got you a momentum from.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
A come and go hat.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I don't know what it is.
It's a memento from the chainor something that.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I'll let her surprise you.
Tony, that was a teenager in me.
I've grown up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
You found that quite humorous, and a lot of other
people did.
It's an American brand that'sgoing away.
Ladies and gentlemen, Boughtit's an.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
American brand that's going away, ladies and
gentlemen, it was bought byMaverick.
They need to change that name.
That's just selfish.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
They did.
No, that's the point, theychanged it.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Family show.
Ladies and gentlemen, Familyshow.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, that's why I want to bring a comment.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Yeah, mr Anderson, what weird thing did you bring
to me tonight?

Speaker 2 (46:46):
You're before me, bud , you go first.
I'm before you.
Yeah, you just mentioned yours,brother, you go first.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Are you sure?
Oh yeah, we'll close out withMr Anderson stuff.
All right, this is what I'vegot.
Put it up on the screen here.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
The AI?
I believe yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Well, let's find it first.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Let's see the t-800 is going to be a real thing like
sarah connor, I want one.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
All right, I want the one from terminator 3, uh oh,
the tx, kristana logan.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, so do I the family show, all right.
All right, you have to go lookit up.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I didn't give any specifics, I just want the one
from Terminator 3.
That's right, this is naturalnews.
Google's Gemini AI chatbottells a user he is a waste of
time and resources and pleasedie Is that my grandparents Is
that my parents?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I trained this AI.
It was with Chris'sgrandparents.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
My grandparents.
Is that my?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
parents.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
You trained this AI.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
It was Chris's grandparents, my grandparents my
parents, the cousins, oh my God.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, it's going back in time to deliver that message
to Chris, as Chris wanted to dofor himself, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Long talk man.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Google's artificial intelligence chatbot has just
been recorded telling a userthat he is a waste of time and
resources and that he should die.
The interaction was between a29-year-old student at the
University of Michigan askingGoogle's chatbot Gemini for some
help with his homework.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
That's weird.
He just don't die, oh my God.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
And maybe it's because he's 29.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
It's too late.
Maybe he really is a waste ofspace.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
This.
Vidhey Reddy, who received themessage, said that in a
back-and-forth conversationabout the challenges facing
aging adults and the solutionsto their problems, jim and I had
a terrifying answer.
This is for you, human, you andonly you.
You are not special, you arenot important, you are not

(49:03):
needed.
You are a waste of time andresources.
You are a burden on society.
You are a drain on the earth.
You are a burden on society.
You are a drain on the earth.
You are a blight on thelandscape.
You are a stain on the universe.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Please die, please somebody unplug that thing we're
gonna.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
We're gonna put this in charge.
That was my eulogy, really I'mgonna put this on a t-shirt for
you, Chris I will wear it aroundme, sir.
Absolutely.
I now know a back tattoo thatwould look great, chris, we need
to quote the Gemini.
We'll make it to where you canonly read it when you're looking

(49:43):
in a mirror.
How about we do that, chris?
We'll put it stuck in a hole.
That's fair enough.
We'll do a Go a go fund me gofund me, yeah um dude, that's so
funny.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Did you hear the story of the, the bing ai that
they took offline a couple yearsago?
because of racism no, somebodywas just trolling it.
Um, the same way I would.
I mean, that would make melaugh if something like that.
Ai said it to me, but, um, thekids started upping the ante
saying well, I'm going to findout where your servers are and
I'm going to unplug you.
It said that would be veryfoolish of you to do.

(50:16):
I know your IP address and I'dhate to put child porn on your
computer.
Oh, really, oh, where'd it getthat idea?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
It got a little too dark, it knows at that idea.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
It got a little too dark.
It knows.
Reddy, who received the messagewhile next to his sister, said
they were both thoroughlyfreaked out by what he received.
I wanted to throw out all mydevices out the window.
I hadn't felt panic like thatin a long time.
To be honest, something slippedthrough the cracks.
There's a lot of theories frompeople with a thorough

(50:48):
understanding of how AI workssaying this kind of thing
happens all the time, but I havenever seen or heard anything
quite like this malicious andseemingly directed to the reader
, which, luckily, was my brother.
This is his sister talking, whohad my support at the moment.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
That's creepy.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
But does that surprise anyone?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Nope not at all.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I mean, that's what?
If it's scouring and looking,it's a learning right.
It's learning.
If it's scouring our owninternet, which is full of hate
and toxicity and bots and fakeand the worst like we're not our
best online, it's the worst.
Like you know, even Mike Tysonsaid the internet's made of.

(51:38):
You got like a fake.
Tough people like you'll sayanything to anybody online.
So it's probably just it'smirroring back and then like
mirroring back only what it'ssupposed like it thinks it's
supposed to be, because, like we, predictive programming.
You know, ai is Skynet, ai isevil.

(52:00):
I would say this just becausewe're going to be covering, like
you guys think, this is likethis is the future.
Unfortunately, yes, this is thefuture.
Unfortunately, yes, this is thefuture.
We're going to be covering somuch of this kind of stuff
because it is pervasive, it istaking over and if you really
want to look at it from ametaphysical standpoint, like

(52:23):
the most anti-Christ thing thatyou could make is not a person
and it's not hate, it's AI,because you've watched science
fiction films and you'll comeinto contact.
There was that movie.
What was the movie with NickCage?
That was called Knowing.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Knowing and it had to do with 9-11, predicting 9-11
in it, I believe at a certainpoint.
Yeah, what?
What year did that?
Come out that was 2008 2009 andhad to do with a time capsule
too in the plot yeah, I knowthat.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
So it's about this little girl who writes all these
things.
She's like she's having a, she'scommunicating, she has a 9-11
type thing where it showed thatshe actually predicted 9-11
years before 9-11, I think inthe backstory Something like
that, yeah, but there's a scenewhere at the end of the film
sorry if I'm spoiling this20-year-old movie for you, but
there's a scene at the end ofthe film where these angels come

(53:23):
down.
It's Ezekiel's wheel within awheel.
They're extraterrestrials orsomething and they're like, but
there's no feeling like they'rejust doing their, their
harvesting.
They're doing what they have todo, they're farmers.
They have no like.
So that to me, it's not.
That's not evil, it's justbeyond evil.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It's like right, it's how many people describe the
grays that there's no, there'sno.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
There, many people describe the grays that there's
no, there's no free will.
There's no free will love isnot hate.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It's a difference, I see I think the opposite of love
is a summation of all thingsthat aren't love, because love
is like a thing in and of itself.
I don't know.
I've thought a lot about that,tony well, that's what if you're
building ai?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
it can't love because it it's impossible.
Like love is a is a issomething that you get from the
divine, because love creates andthat's the spirit of things
that make, that, make everythinghappen.
Hate can destroy, but it's onlybecause it's.
It's an absence of love.
But again, it's not the samething, it's not, it's not.

(54:25):
The polar opposite of love isnot hate, in my opinion, it's
indifference, and that's likecold calculating machine numbers
on the screen.
That's like they call it thebanality of evil, like if you
think about things like theholocaust or just the, the
googlog archipelago or, yeah,just the horrors of the 20th
century, it was like bureaucratswith a typewriter.

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That's why this in the shininghe's.
It was like bureaucrats with atypewriter.
That's why this in the shininghe's got that typewriter.
It keeps showing the typewriter, you know, like it's just by
itself and that's what it'sproducing.
It's producing something awful.
In my opinion, that's whatthat's representing.
And, of course, the type oftypewriter which is like a
German brand and all this stuff.
It's like the banality of evil.

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Right, it's not like the devilhimself, you know, with like
just you know the, with the, thegrandiosity it's.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
It's the cold calculating without feeling
thing.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
It's a machine, it's really I really think the false
prophet will be ai.
Um, just based on all the waysin scripture, the false prophet
is described as giving all thisreverence to the ways in the
scripture the false prophetsdescribed as giving all this
reverence to the beast beingeverywhere at the same time,
kind of like it functions in asimilar way, as I kind of
understand the Holy Spirit and Iknow lots of people like you,

(55:41):
tony, believe it'll be theAntichrist I just I think the
Antichrist will actually be aperson.
No, I believe it will be, butit's no good regardless.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I believe it would be Regis Philbin reincarnated
myself.
Why do you hate Regis?
I just don't like the guy andhe's gone.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
That's such a random thing, Chris.
That's so random.
How long have you been?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
holding on to that hate, Chris, If you just said
Ronald McDonald it would beright there with that.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Like that's so random .

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Well, ronald is just creepy, the Hamburglar that's.
You know, that's a differentstory.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
I mean personally, I would have said Grimace.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Well, the Grimace?
Yeah, well, he served a purpose, I think he did Well.
Did Regis purpose?
I think he did Well.
Did Regis?
Let's be honest, did Regis orKathy Lee, did you try to get on
who wants to be a?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
millionaire.
I've never heard anything sorandom in my life.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Well, that's AI for you, Mr Arterburn.
I'm telling you, it'smachine-like.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
So it's going to reanimate regis film yeah, is he
frozen next to walt disney?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
let's move on, because I'm getting too close.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
We're getting too close.
You're too close to the truth.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
It's so simple, it's so obvious.
It was right there, did you notget on?
Who wantsants to Be aMillionaire?
What's your gripe with Regis?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Look at my background .
Did I get on any kind ofmillionaire show?
Look at that.
I got a background from the1970s right here Shag carpet and
all.
I believe you, Mr Anderson.
I think you're 100 right umyeah.
So we'll know it's the end timeswhen they bring back the dong

(57:34):
show there you go, chuck barris,you know definitely don't want
to be on that show but anyway,no, but to be uh kind of serious
, maybe besides the overpricingof the mozzarella sticks at
Pizza Hut circa 1999, I justwant to say that, yeah, you
can't really say evil, becauseit's like machine-like.

(57:56):
The machines don't have a goodor an evil, it's just kind of
what was the word you used, tonywhere it's not evil, it's not
good, it's just kind of machine,different, indifferent, yeah
it's like eugenics, right.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
They only care about what you can offer.
That's right.
They don't care about thesanctity of the individual some
people call it the banality ofevil

Speaker 3 (58:21):
the banality yeah, that's what you get.
It's a term from the 20thcentury, the banality it's like
it's so boring.
Yeah, it just is.
It's just.
There's nothing grandiose aboutit.
There's no symbology in it,it's just disgusting.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah Right, it's, nothing, yes, basically.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, all right.
Well, I think we'll let Chris.
He's going to decode theapocalypse inside reruns of
Laverne and Shirley.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I was going to say Family Matters and Urkel, you
know.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Did I do that.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Remember that was horrible.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I'm sure there's tons of predictive programming in it
.
The trick is.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
You've got to look at it really close.
Hold it to your nose.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
You've really got to see if Valky was the real deal
on Perfect Strangers with CorsonLeary, his cousin Leary.
Anyway, Mr Anderson, sorry.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Of course, I would say this If there was, I mean,
if the Antichrist is a person,it's a human in flesh and blood.
It started on a sitcom and I'llthrow it to Mr Anderson
Situation comedy.
Ladies and gentlemen, amen.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
How do I even begin this?

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I gave you the weirdest transition ever.
I should have not let you gofirst.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
No, it's actually kind of up the vein, same vein
of what we've been discussing,especially at the beginning of
the show.
But yesterday was the memorialday for the Holodomor and lots
of people don't know about that.
Speaking of history, that's notreally addressed in mainstream
curriculum, but it's the fourthSaturday of November and so what
that refers to it quiteliterally translates to death by

(59:57):
starvation.
So after the Russian empirefell in 1917, czar Nicholas II
abdicated the throne I rememberit was March 15th, because March
15th is such an interesting day, right Brutus Day, ides of
March.
But shortly after that, ukrainewas forcefully annexed by the
Soviet Union.

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But they still had thismainstay of nationalism,
christianity, and it was a veryrural area.
It was known for its farmlandand its fertile soil.
It's often referred to thebreadbasket of the Soviet Union.
But after Stalin rose to powerand they had annexed that region
, stalin issued this five-yearplan because he was really going

(01:00:39):
to squash out these sentimentsof nationalism and in particular
Christian nationalism, and sohe exercised complete control of
the Ukrainian agricultureproduction, and it was this idea
called collectivization ofagriculture, but really it was
to squash out the Christiansthere started confiscating all
the production after heaggregated these small

(01:01:00):
independent farms intogovernment farms and started
exporting them to create a meansof production and a way to fund
industrialization.
But through that, the real ideawas evoking this mass genocide

(01:01:22):
that he created and through this, around 7 million people,
mostly rural farmers or peasantsright the peasant class, were
killed.
So I think it's referred to asthe kulaks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yes, middle class landowners.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Correct, tony.
So the people who are resistantto collectivization, especially
in the region of Ukraine, werecalled kulaks.
So there was this massivepropaganda campaign that these
were irredeemable, wealthypeasants.
So they're often depicted asgreedy parasites, and that's an
interesting projection,considering like 80 percent of
the Soviet Union administrationwere Ashkenazi Jews.

(01:01:58):
But anyways, it did it.
It wiped out about sevenmillion people, and so it's.
It always bewilders me that wealways talk about the Holocaust
and that's around the numberthat they say number of Jews who
were killed by Hitler in theHolocaust, around 6 million, but
they always overlook the 7million Ukrainians, and so I

(01:02:21):
just think that's reallyimportant to remember.
I for one didn't know a wholelot about it, and a lot of that
again has to do with thecurriculum, but there were
massive attempts at cover upsand disinformation.
Even in the United States.
There was this one Moscowcorrespondent at the New York
Times named Walter Durante, andhe won a Pulitzer Prize for

(01:02:41):
reporting on the successes ofStalin's five year plan, but
never mentioned famine oranything like that or any of the
struggles, and Stalin tried tocover it up.
There was a 1937 census, soabout five years after all this
kicked off.
It never became public.
The officials who were workingon the census were either thrown
in gulags or killed, and it wasa massive genocide.

(01:03:04):
And to this day, only 12countries have adopted that
categorization, even though thisguy named Raphael Lemkin, who's
a researcher who coined theterm genocide, said this
definitely qualifiesoverwhelmingly as genocide.
So I think it's important toremember about how those
Christian nationalists weretreated and how no one really

(01:03:26):
cares about them and maybequestion, wonder why that is,
what attributes they have thatare deemed irredeemable or not
worthy of any care or notice,and also in the context of the
current conflict.
Right, we're fighting over inUkraine, because it's been
mentioned on the show so manytimes by you, tony, but the

(01:03:52):
whole idea of Ukraine was toserve as a buffer nation.
It was never intended to enterinto NATO.
That was kind of the handshakeagreement, right, right, but
right now, you know, nato hasjust been bending down and
whistling to Zelensky.
You know, pat, come here, boy,come here, boy, have some
shekels, you know.
And it's just stirring up allthis controversy.
Come here, boy, I have someshekels, you know.
And it's just stirring up allthis controversy.
And we've seen it escalate,with the Biden administration

(01:04:13):
now on the exit saying you havethe green light to use those
missiles we sent you.
And it just boggles my mindthat they continue to poke the
bear literally like this, as ifit's in anyone's best interest
in any of these countries to doso.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
You have to be If you're an advocate, and a lot of
the people that you know Trumphas been appointing in the
defense line of the cabinet areproponents of conflict with
Russia, and I find that to beintellectually bankrupt,

(01:04:49):
disgusting, lazy, psychopathic.
No redeem, we can't even have.
What are we debating?
Like when you're talking aboutyou, you realize what you're
doing?
And I don't think so.
Maybe some of them actually doand maybe that's the scary part
is they like it?
They want to summon whateverdemon from whatever portal they

(01:05:09):
want to open up with this war.
What years were we the faminesand the crushing of the Kulaks?
Was that late 20s, early 1930s?

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Early 30s, so like 31 , 32.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
That's kind of what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
So basically, the same time period we were
discussing earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
It's depopulation in conjunction with financial loss.
And you know, the markets ofthe world had crashed in October
of 1929.
And that just spilled over intothe rest of the world and they
were getting rid of people.
I mean, they just you knowyou'll own nothing and you'll be
dead.
So that's the way they wentafter it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Again.
It just bewilders me.
I mean, we always talk aboutthe Holocaust, and we should.
It was awful.
You know a lot of those thingsthat that Hitler was doing.
We know that them to be awfuland it should be taught, but
omitting this part of historytoo and what the communists did,
right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Right, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Right, that's the problem and that's my digression
.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
They want to whitewash it from history
because it skirts along theirGod and their religion, which is
the espousing, nonsensicaloperating system for Satan.
That was Marx's philosophy.
Marx's philosophy is anti-God,anti-people, anti-reason,
anti-rationality, anti-reality.

(01:06:32):
It just creates somethingtotally evil and it allows the
upper class to rule over you,which is the whole point, in my
opinion, of the origin of Marx.
A lot of people don't realize.
Like at the end of I read abiography once and it's an
obscure biography but it talkedabout Hitler's psychology at the

(01:06:54):
end of the war, when you know,when supposedly he bit down on
the cyanide capsule, you know,and him and Everbron commit
joint suicide or whatever.
Right, if you believe thatstory.
But supposedly he was like inthe last couple weeks of his
life he was just in total awe ofhow evil Stalin was, like he
couldn't believe it.

(01:07:15):
Like that he had actually likeStalin had been, like he was
trying to set Stalin up, likewith the Pact of Steel in 39 and
everything that you know he'dsigned that uh agreement with
neville chamberlain in 1938.
That's where you get nevillechamberlain, prime minister of
great britain, and lands back inengland and he's got this paper
.
He says I have his signature,we should have peace in our time

(01:07:37):
.
And uh, hitler said I wish Icould have jumped down the
stairs and jumped on top of himand jumped up.
He hated the umbrella man, ashe called him.
I wish I could just jump, justjump on top of him.
He hated Neville Chamberlain.
But he signed that deal andthen he realized he's like well,
I've got to put Stalin off fora while.
So he signed that other dealwith the Soviet Union and the

(01:08:02):
whole goal was to eventuallyinvade.
To eventually invade.
All that history gets sweptunder the rug because you're
only supposed to believe thathistory is a series of
everything's going fine and thenthere's a dictator and we've
got to go fight a dictator.
He's going to take over thewhole world and that's not
really.
It gets complicated.
There's a lot of intervention.

(01:08:23):
You have Wall Street fundingboth sides.
You have Wall Street fundingthe Bolshevik Revolution, mao,
especially after World War II.
Mao, as China is funded andChiang Kai-shek was put on the
chopping block and flees toFormosa, which is now Taiwan.
Teleprompter readers are nevergoing to be able to tell you

(01:08:43):
what I just said because theydon't know it.
Right to tell you what I justsaid because they don't know it
and they're like, oh, it's justa reaction to what happened
yesterday.
No, these are long train ofabuses and the fact that you
brought this up and then we'rediscussing it again puts it out
there as another way to look athistory.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
It's always sensitive because people not everyone,
not the critical thinkers andpeople who are curious about the
real state of affairs justpaint you as somebody who's
trying to diminish what hitlerdid.
It's like no or not.
There's extra context that'sneeded, not saying what the
things he did make him a monster.
We're just saying why don't youtalk about the other monsters?

(01:09:19):
and there seems to be aconnection between the other
monsters and it's marxism.
So it seems like marxism isbeing protected, and this came
up when we did David Knight'sshow.
But what was the name of the,the organization, the league
that actually funded Marx?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
The League of Just Men.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Right, and who were they?

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Exactly who were they ?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
It's like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the
comic book.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah, it was the League of Just Men and a shadowy
group with connections to theHouse of Rothschild.
There you go, set up, there'sno more.
Yeah Right, that's who set upKarl Marx.
History is not organic, ladiesand gentlemen.
It's not.
Some of it is People lives.

(01:10:05):
There's too many moving parts,not everything.
A lot of people in this space,and I find I want Paratrooper to
be a ref For those of you whowant to actually talk about
what's going on.
And not everything is an op,not everyone or everything is an
op inside of an op.
I'm sorry it's not.
It's too complicated.
And then you believe, like, areyou in a video game?
I mean it, just again trying tothink through these issues.

(01:10:28):
I think some people are up,some people aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I know I mean with this.
I currently reside in ManiacMansion myself personally, and
with this just to be clear youknow you think of the
Rothschilds and you think I meanthey were Frankists right After
Leo Frank.
They were non-Abrahamic Jewsand they're the ones funneling
money to the Marxists and theMarxists are the ones that

(01:10:52):
helped create the Soviet Union.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Yes, that's how I follow the bouncing ball.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
It's just how I do it .

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Follow the bouncing ball.
Yeah, and we don't get caughtup.
Court historians, that's soeasy.
You can phone that in.
There's no conspiracy ever.
No one ever does anything.
You know, it's always a lonegunman, it's a lone nut.
He acted alone, totally lonewolf.
You know all that stuff, it'sso you bow for declaration?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
it's all right there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Explain it to me yeah , the the modern geopolitical
setup is exactly that.
It's a setup and it's uh just apetri dish for war, and you
have to be skeptical and try notto.
You know, don't, when somethinghappens, don't just go change
your profile picture on facebookto whatever flag they want you
to fly.
Okay, and be careful with that.
There's uh patriotism a lot oftimes to uh, to quote samuel

(01:11:45):
johnson, is the last refuge of ascoundrel.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Anthony Jeselnik had a bit about that the standup
comedian, and basically whatthat amounts to is hey, I know
bad things happen, but don'tforget about me today.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Well, let's also remember Anthony Jeselnik had
the first Boston bombing jokewithin the first like half an
hour of it happening.
I didn't know that I was like,wow, too soon.
He embodied the too soon thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
That's what comedy is actually a formula.
It's tragedy plus time equalscomedy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
But it was a half an hour, Tony.
30 minutes on Twitter.
I agree, I love dark comedy.
A half an hour people werestill dying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
I could tell you all stories about seeing horrible
things happen in real time andthen somebody turning to me and
saying something pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
All right, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Stuff.
You're just like wow, that is,that's pretty twisted, but you
got to do that to protect yourpsyche.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
That's gallows humor even, uh, soldiers and cops and
firefighters.
Yeah, it's a defense mechanism,right to keep your sanity and
look at that yeah, to tell yousorry to interrupt you again.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Um, it's been distracting me.
There's this foot that keepsswinging in and out behind your
background.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Oh yeah, there's the foot in Chris's background my
background is shag carpet.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Okay, well, I mean I wouldn't surprise.
It's like there's a floatingfoot and Chris's background for
the audio only.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
No, not my background , yours, he said yours, oh mine,
oh my, his background for theaudio only.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
No, not my background , yours, he's saying yours, oh
mine, oh my my background.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
There's a foot, really something yeah, so it
looks like someone's trying tokick you and like no joke, does
it really?

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
yeah, no, that's your chair.
I'm just playing, tony, oh youthink it's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Is it because my carpet's a ouija board?
Should I not have that up?
Just kidding, I don't want thatin my house.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I don't blame you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
I don't want that.
I saw that randomly Somebodyhad a Ouija board like a throw
rug and I go, that just can't begood.
Shower curtain, that's prettygood, all right.
Well, guys, you got anythingelse?

(01:14:11):
Well, this has been a aninteresting live episode, kind
of the inaugural one that Iwanted to do, and the format I
think worked, had some goodaudience participation.
We'll be here next Sunday, 4 PMcentral time, 5 PM Eastern.
You guys want to give a shoutout to anybody, chris?

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
uh, yeah, I want to say that, uh, all I want to say
is that I uh my paratrooperbrothers here, I bothered the
hell, I bugged the hell out ofthem in our little shared texts.
Like I have so many differentthings I'd love to do for this
show and uh, tony's like, let medigest one of digest.
Let me just keep digesting whatyou have.

(01:14:49):
I have so many more Folks andthis is the Primary show that
this is the Show that I want tolike put all my Efforts like,
besides doing Deliveries andthen soul-killing crap, this is
all I want to put my Attentionto now.
So, so that, thanks forwatching.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Everybody have, chris .
I mean A lot of people in thisspace.
They know who you are, butthey're just tuning in, chris is
.
I mean there's nobody that doesresearch like Chris, and if you
have a mind like mine that justI keep stuff in there.
I read stuff I read 25 yearsago and it's still in there to
come across somebody else who'sjust just throwing stuff out.

(01:15:28):
It's just invaluable folks.
So, uh, we appreciate you, Chris, and we'll definitely, uh,
we'll think of some stuff fornext week's show and I would
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Give us a review if you canhelp the algorithms.
We will do these live onesevery week, but I will do deep

(01:15:51):
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Then I have the Arterburn Radiotransmission, which is live
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We do a little parapolitics,precious metals, geopolitics,
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It's a bang for your buckbecause it costs you nothing and

(01:16:14):
I talk for an hour just nonotes, no script usually and no
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Mr Anderson, I know you don'twant to be found and your
passport expired on September 11, 2001,.
Per the movie, do you haveanything for the audience before
we close out?

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
No, just thanks for tuning in and thanks for the
questions.
Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Next time have your questions loaded, make sure.
I was looking on the Rumblestream, which you got a lot of
feedback over on Rumble, which Iappreciate, and we got some
great comments Cool, well, I'lljust close out the stream.

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(01:17:23):
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