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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Author
Wheel podcast.
I'm Megan Haskell,award-winning fantasy author of
the Senare Chronicles and theRise of Lilith series.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And I'm Greta Boris,
usa Today bestselling author of
the Mortician Murders and thesoon-to-be-released Almost True
Crime series.
Together we are the AuthorWheel.
Our goal is to help youovercome your writing roadblocks
so you can keep your storiesrolling.
This month we've decided to goback to our roots and discuss
craft.
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You know it's a topic thatoften gets ignored in the larger
discussions of marketing andthe business of selling books,
which you know we all getobsessed about from time to time
.
But honestly, if you advertisea bad book you might get some
sales, but the chances ofselling another book are you've
just kind of shot yourself inthe foot.
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So craft, in its own way, is apart of marketing.
It's super, super important.
It's kind of the foundation foreverything.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, I think in the
in the modern publishing
landscape, you know we you havehave to start like it's a given
that you have to start with agood book.
You can't publish just, youknow, your first draft up to
Amazon anymore and have it gaintraction.
It has to be, has to be good.
So we should be talking aboutcraft just as much as the
business side of things.
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So each week in May we'll begiving you two of our favorite
tips on the craft topics thatpeople ask us about the most,
and this week we're startingwith characters.
How do you create memorable andbelievable characters that
readers want to visit again andagain?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, my first tip is
use the Enneagram.
Tip is use the Enneagram.
The Enneagram, if you haven'theard of it, is an ancient
personality typing system thathas kind of come back into vogue
in recent years.
Psychologists and professionalsuse it to help people
understand themselves, you know,live a better, more productive
life.
There's podcasts on theEnneagram.
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There's a website.
The website we use is theEnneagram.
There's website.
The website we use is theEnneagram Institute.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah,
enneagraminstitutecom.
But I was also going to suggesttoo that that you go check out
Claire Taylor's work if you'reinterested in Enneagram.
She does.
She's more on the author sideof things, but she does have
quite a bit of work on Enneagramfor character development as
well.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But she's kind of,
she's kind of the Enneagram
expert within the indie authorcommunity.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, she is, and
we've had her on the podcast and
we should probably put a linkto that episode in the show
notes as well.
So if you're using theEnneagram for the creation of
character, we don't need to goas deep as you know the
psychology people go.
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But just looking at the ninepersonality types outlined in
the Enneagram are a very quickway to choose or check that the
character you've created orplanning to create is cohesive
and realistic.
So what you'll find if you goto the Enneagram Institute is
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that you can use it to determineyour character's greatest
motivation and their greatestfear.
It's also a great tool to figureout how different personality
types get along with each otheror don't.
So you might not want to createa love interest, for instance,
for one personality type thatyou know according to the typing
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system you'll discover oh no,they wouldn't get along at all,
they would just fight.
Or you might want to do it sothat you could have them fight
and those are the kind of fightsthey would have.
So you can see things like thatalso great for villains, you
know, finding the personalitytypes that clash.
Or I often like to do my maincharacter and my villain the
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same personality type, but youknow, my main character will be
on the healthier end of thatcharacter type, whereas the
villain will be on the veryunhealthy end.
So, and you can see that in theEnneagram Institute, you'll see
how different personality typesreact to different kinds of
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stressors and so on, and thatwill influence the plot.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And that leads us to
our next tip, which is so tip
number two is to give your maincharacter a flaw or a twerk.
So quirks make characters bereal.
We all have them, right, we allare eccentric in some way.
It might be small, but it'sthere.
It can be a dialogue quirk, itcan be a physical twitch.
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It can be an object they alwayscarry or play with, like a wish
stone or worry stone or apaperclip in the pocket right.
Different people have thesesort of talismans that they
carry.
You can do that for yourcharacters.
It could also be a dark thoughtor a belief that they have, but
whatever it is, it should alsobe pertinent to their character
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arc or character developmentover the course of the book or
series.
So in my case, lil is blunt tothe point of offense at times.
In the Rise of Lilith seriesshe has to learn how to be a
little bit more diplomatic andmore of a leader rather than
pushing people away.
And in the Senyari Chronicles,rie's thumb twitches when she's
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nervous or feeling uncomfortable.
So as she grows in her owninternal strength and confidence
, that twitch fades away and youdon't notice it as much.
So those are just a couple ofexamples of ways that you can,
you know, show through action orthrough thought, dialogue, your
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character's development in avery subtle way that actually
really improves thatrelatability.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, and when I
wrote my original Seven Deadly
Sins series, my editor and Ikind of and publisher, we kind
of decided that each maincharacter and each villain had
this struggle with the title sin.
So writing those books kind offorced me to think about
character flaws, like my maincharacter in Envy the one I'm
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working on was Envy.
You know that had to be a flaw,like that had to be something
that she struggled with and itreally ended up creating helping
me create Red Herring andanother character that she
particularly was envious of.
It really informed the plot alot and so that was interesting.
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You know, having to do thatseven times was very good for me
.
I always say, like writing thatseries is kind of like, you know
, writing my thesis or somethingfor college and also you want
to do it in a way like you said,megan, and more subtle.
You don't want to do it in sucha way that is like super
predictable.
So in Lust, none of mycharacters well, a little bit,
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but mostly it isn't sexual lust,mostly it's other kinds of lust
because they thought, well, youknow, that's just so obvious.
So you know, looking at doingthings in a different way is
always fun.
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