S03E09 Man Ape Among Us and Types of Ghost with Mike Tinsley

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Good morning, Welcome to Banter with Richie Bee Live La thesets.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yep, there was something going on here behind us.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
After the trees were fucking moving everywhere.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, bro goosebumps mad at you with me? We looked
this way. It was not like this. Welcome to Banter
with Richie be Yo. What's up everybody? Oh yeah, that's
ridy back. Yeah for a while, I'm live. Look at that,

(00:52):
say hi.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Won don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I could see you. I can see everybody. See me
on the side of a little box. See that trying
to work my cakes out of my technology?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hell? What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Everybody? Walking the banter? Richie be Live? I am fired
up tonight. I had some rest. Yes, we got a
show for you tonight. Mister Mike Tinsley is here with
his partner and crime.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
We'll call him.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
We'll go with the old cliche, the partner in crime cliche,
mister Matt Asenal and he is the man behind the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
This tonight is his very first time on.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
A podcast in front of the camera, because they are
here tonight to talk about their documentary man Ape among Us.
I love the name. I've always loved the name. Mister
Tinsley and I used to. We would we were like
dreamy little schoolgirls at one point where we would share
stories and stuff and hawk for hours while he drank
ale and his our wives would yell at us when

(02:04):
you're coming up, yeah you know what I mean, something
like nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
They're really like that. I just went with it.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
But ah, we this is what it's what he's been
talking about. This is what he's been talking about. This
is one of his dreams. He's got a great, brilliant
mind when it comes to this stuff. And and just
like myself with Bobby Lee, you know, the vision gets
put into play by the talents of Matt. So we
actually have the trailer for that movie, documentary, whatever you

(02:31):
want to call it.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Bring Waldo up to say hi to everybody because I
am seeing the chat go off.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I love it, freaking love it, man. I love the energy.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Great advertising this week. Everybody was pushing and plugging and
having fun and.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Being a team.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
And again I can't thank you enough. Real quick story
before I bring my co host out, I was just
shared with everybody backstage. We I was talking to my
softball team and the dude asked me because I told
him I sent the link and told him to check
out the show at six. I sent the link and

(03:09):
he's like, hey, are you on the Hub? Like what
what's the Hub? I think that was the old name
for the Internet. So I'm like, what the hell's the Hub?
And he goes google it, so i'd, being a smart ass,
went Google me. So that went back and forth, and
then I googled myself and we found some really cool
stuff about us that I didn't even know existed. Squatchables

(03:31):
dot com. If you get a chance, check out squatchables
dot com a really interesting site for all you squatch fans.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Go over there and check it out.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Basically, what it is is they take different episodes out
of public you know, public property, right so they can
just grab them and then they add an AI touch
to him and it was really nice. Some of the
things they said about our show truly truly humbling. I
gotta be honest with you, So definitely go check out
squatchables dot com. There's a great episode, a synopsis about

(04:01):
the Vogel Brothers interview that I did. Uh they talk
about the crita Mountain, uh, Carble Mountain critifest all that stuff,
so really really good stuff. And if you missed Throwdown Thursday,
you missed some good insight on the on the Carbon
Mountain Critifest that we're gonna be we are a major
sponsor of They're gonna have their own Carble Mountain Critifestival

(04:21):
al so you know you might want to check that
out at some point, just saying right, So.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Let's get Wojo in here. We'll say hello, Wojoe, what
are you doing? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
God Lord, I can't with this, dude. It's like having
like an eighth kid. Oh, mister Vogel squatschws dot com
had an interview with When I did the interview with
you and your brother, man, it was really cool.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
It was a cool ai. They really featured you guys. Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
They talked about the festival and how it was gonna
be huge, and yeah, you got to check that out.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I was trying.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'll try to pull the episode again and send it
to you. I just ran out of time. So let's
welcome our co host, the co host, the Wojo, to
the stage.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
What's up the war Jobe?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Hello, Hello, Happy Saturday. We are home of the boom.
He'll got a great, great podcast. And I am looking
forward to it.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Really, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
What do you think about googling ship that we checked out?
Oh my god, that was mind bought.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
That was just incredible, very very honorable and very humbling.
And hey, like I said, just very into active. You
do know one thing, Rich, I'm looking at all these
chats very into active tonight. Oh I hope, Mike and Mad,
I'm ready to go because it's a good night tonight.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Spocky's here with his new uh SpaceX setup that he
has in his house.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Did you see that set up?

Speaker 5 (05:44):
That dude ass dude, that was incredible. That's Gord dude,
that's so bad ass.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
The lord the government knows where he lives for sure.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah, I'll let up like I'll dance, liked.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Who's hair already giving me ship right out of gate?
I haven't no other way. We love him as de hoot,
Big Andy's here.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Let's see. Let's see big Dandy Andy.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Do you say?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Who hoot? Hoot?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh hoot Spocky? Yeah, and he had just chatting away. Dude,
look at him.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
I know it's the rate ja going. Rich usually pops
up over one hundred messages. Yeah, I think we might
be able to. I think tonight might be the night
that might break that record. Time wise, oh chat wise,
I think last week was at six nine.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
We had over one hundred, but our highest is seven
sixty seven and in the month of February was three
thousand and one hundred in the chat chat comments.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I just think that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Love Yeah, that's what it's all about, man, That's what
it's all about. It's all about bringing everybody together. Hello Spoky,
like you said, de hoot blah blah blah buh sam
Our producer sam Our, very talented producer Sam. We are
very blessed to have her. Heidi Goal is here. She's
our social media guru. If she drives you nuts with

(07:06):
my shit, it's my fault. Take it out, take it
up with me. She's awesome, but she does it. She
does it in a classy, professional way, and she puts
us out there and we thank you Hetty so much.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Tim Vogel, what's up, mister Vogel, Good to see you here.
My friend crust Dice, what's happening, crush Dice.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
We saw Crushed Dice in the lives right when we
were out there looking for the Squatchy Square.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh that's awesome. Good to see you here. Welcome.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Miss Michelle will Fong is also here. Good afternoon from Oregon.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
We got a lot of out Western we got Idaho, Oregon, Colorado.
I'm somewhere in California if I remember correctly, and then yeah,
it just goes on. The list goes on. Hi everyone,
I'm watching from New Jersey. That's right, Jersey's in the house.
But crust Dice awesome Washington. Oh, mister Tim, no man,
you making waves.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
When we first met, we discussed what's happening right now,
Mister Tim Vogel, we had this conversation right now, and
I had the same conversation with mister Tinsley out of
New Hampshire. Absolutely putting this ship on the map and
we will be recognized. New England's on the map. And
not only that, it's literally gonna be on a map.
So but we'll talk about that another time. I'm saving

(08:18):
that one from when Jelly Porter shows up. Jelly Jelly
Porter elder elder is here. Tancy, Tancy, good to see you. Awesome,
keep climbing you too, brother. We climbing together. Bobby Lee Hubbard,
my amazing executive producer, is in the audience. Gene Tewksbury,
a woman I really would like to speak to, by

(08:40):
the way. Yeah, we have something that we want you
to be a pot of and we will share that
with you.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's behind the scenes. Bad Tad and the Joe Crusted Ice.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
All right, cool, So here we are. Spocky Richie is
recized for ping in the woods.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
No, I'm not. I I videotape video recorded him being
in the woods.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
That's that's so against the rules.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Listen, let's just get our guests out here because we
don't want to in case Matt. Matt has to get
called out to like some kind of like news report
because he works at the local TV station up there.
There could be something happening up there, you know what
I mean. Maybe it like a branch falls on a street,
you know what I mean, and Matt's gonna run out
there and be.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Like, oh, there, this is Matt Osenal, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
I thought you might say breaking news.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
We are breaking news.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
We have a one by two brands that landed on
the street somewhere.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Back to you, Mike.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Tinsley, Well you could do it, but you could do
your other way. Rich put the music on.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, you got breaking news with.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Early Let's be tuned pocket zombie Fest because that sounds
about right.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Here comes look at that's up g and Woe Joe.
This story is about Mike Tinsley and.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Matas from Chaos Theater Productions.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
What's that? Matt just got a phone call. There's a
branch down in the middle. Quickly to the branch, will bile.
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
That's on scene with the dp W DPW guys pulling
out his lodge chainsaw to cut the wood.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
And Mike Tinsley's in.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
The corner drinking a beer, going Are you done yet?

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I know all right, I don't want the music is
killing me. Man.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Well we just missed a hundred messages by one minute.
But hey, keep it going, guys, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Keep that chit chat going. Do you know what tonight's
popping is? Types of ghosts? By the way, Types of
ghosts also find those on DARC Round TV on every
Roku television all over the world.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Baby worldwide, Amazon, Firestick worldwide.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Find us on Apple, Amazon, Spotify, iHeart everywhere I was
googling myself. We're written in Japanese. That was really cool.
I tak a picture of it.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Ah Chean.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, Tonys y'ah. You know what I mean. Really exciting stuff. Right.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Oh, anyone on Facebook, thank you. Dhould always remind me.
Anybody on Facebook, if you're on my personal Facebook, I
cannot see your comments. Kuckaberger doesn't allow it. Okay, but
he's not centering anybody, and he's really sorry that he
ever did. But anyways, that's a different story. So I
would like you to jump from that Facebook page over
here on the YouTube page or check it out on

(11:57):
the banter Rigib Facebook page, so we could see your
comments and we can break a record.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Maybe we'll get a thousand comments tonight.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Okay, Tonight's topic while we have our guests here is
types of ghosts maybe maybe shadow people, maybe elementals, maybe
an old relative, maybe residual whatever you can pull up.
Let's have a conversation. Okay, let's see I see Scott. Oh,
there's one of our teammates. Matt's here. Matt and he
says bre and cast.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I saw cast. Yeah, what's up? Brother?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Listen, Let's get our guests out enough out of your
bullshit and all your ramblings tonight, wo Joe, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Why are you talking to me about matt my brother.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm saying I don't have to have no more because
it's a waste of breath.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
He just keeps going. Let's go, all.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Right, listen without further ado, We're gonna bring our guests
at the table. If you know anything about a cool
ghost or anything, and I think it would be a
good one for this topic.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is elder.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Elder would be a good one different types of ghosts
in the Native American culture. I think that would be
really cool. Right, Yeah, here we are.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Here's our guest tonight. Hey, what's up, guys?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I was going, what's up? Rich Thank you for coming on,
Thanks for having us, Thanks.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
No, thanks for Matthew, Thank you for coming on and
be on the right side of the camera this time.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Well, you know, it took a lot of bravery, but
and I had to take time out from cutting down
trees in.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
The city had a windstorm earlier and he was called out.
He put his phone on silence. Nothing's more important than this, Richie. Right,
this is where it's at town.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
You're gonna have to wait a minute, please. I know,
I know this anarchy going on up there, but this
is the Banter Richiee Podcast. We're worldwide and we're written
in Japanese on Google, so that means something to somebody somewhere,
probably just me, but whatever, I.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Am live over here.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
So he hang on a man, I'm gonna make sure
nobody's over here because we want to get their asses
back over here.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
There we go, all right, good, all right, I see
us now, all right, good, so here we are. All right.
So Michael and Matthew tell us, Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Tell us where you're from, not like literally front. What's
your what's your company's name? Uh?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
We are Chaos Theater Productions.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
We were based out of New Hampshire and we've been
doing I've been doing video for ten years and uh
two years ago, three years ago, I wrote Mike into
my little my little company, and uh, we're like, oh,
what do you want to create? So we were like,
everyone loves Bigfoot, so we made manape among Us.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
So I think that's pretty awesome. Manape among Us. And
when did that idea come up? I think I'm I
kind of know through conversations with Michael Buddy it was
kind of in its infancy I think then, or just
in its idea.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, you know, it's honestly we were in a big
foot me and my my wife and I. You know,
we travel around New England just hitting you know, some
cool spots throughout out the summer and we love buying
the bumper stickers and the coffee mugs and the T
shirts and all that stuff. And when we decided to
make content, like, like Matt said, who doesn't love Bigfoot?

(15:07):
So when we started to get into it, we hooked
up with the guys at Penford Media and went to
Whitehall and from then, you know, when we made a
couple of documentaries with them, and that was fun. We thought,
actually that's where the where it would end. But when
I got home and we started going through the stuff,
I hooked up with. Kelly Porter was a lifelong friend.

(15:27):
I grew up with him since you know, childhood, and
he had New Hampshire Bigfoot Society. So we and I
was always kind of part of it. But we teamed
up started reaching out to everybody we knew and yeah,
that's how we met Rich, That's how we met all
the people that are in our documentary. So we think

(15:48):
we have something original here and we hope that it
really embraces what the New England Bigfoot culture is, what
it was, what it or what the Bigfoot culture and
where it's headed.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
It's not just Bigfoot, it's also the culture of Bigfoot right,
a year long deep dive into the culture in the
Northeast United States.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
So it's not just Bigfoot.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
It's also different cryptids and different stories that related.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I well, I think it's awesome because this is one
thing Like when I started this, you know, I started
looking too like.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
What am I doing here? Right? I had the experiences
in my backyard.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I finally got the courage up to share it when
I lost my son, and that truly did inspire me.
And that's exactly why I did what I did, because
the I don't give up came out of me. And
I was having this go on for years in my
back yet I can't walking around breaking shit, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Like it was constant.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I would communicate, I would, I would just saying earlier
where I'd hear I got goosebumps.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
I would hear it. I always get goosebumps.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
All these years later, man of just reliving those moments
where I would go, hey, out in the woods, just
to see if there was a reaction, because a noble
animal would just keep going and this thing would be
trudging around breaking ship and I'd be like hey, and
then it would stop. And then I sat and putting things.
That's you know, piecing it together, trying to I'm like,
that thing's interactive, man, you know. And then I would
walk out back and bang on a tree and then

(17:13):
I'd wait like five minutes. Sometimes it would take and
then bang right back to me, like but way out,
and I'm going this thing's interacting with me, and that's.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Where that is. But where am I going to go
with this? Right? Where am I going to? What is
my what is my endgame? What is my goal?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
My goal is to not be a gatekeeper and share
all my evidence.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
My goal is to put New England on the map
because I've watched so many great people that I've watched
so many documentaries during research out on the West Coast,
up and up in Canada, you know, British Columbia, all
great places.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm not putting them down. But my point was, why are.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
You getting on a plane He's right here, Broy. It
made no sense to me. So I said, you know what,
my goal is going to put New England on the map.
I want not just the Bridgewater triangle on the map.
And then I had the gift of meeting guys different locations. Right,
the vocals away over here, Tinsley and the boys are
up here, right.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I got Mike Trainer down on Rhode Island. Right.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So I'm like, dude, what an auction I'm being led
to this exactly?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
So I said to I said to mister Tinsley.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
When we had a beautiful conversations and virtually, let's be honest,
we were holding hands. It was just like we starry
eyed kids, you know, and we both had great ideas
and great visions and it was awesome. And that was
one of the things that we discussed. We are gonna
slam the door on the border. Left side is closed, baby,

(18:38):
because New England's coming on the map, and it's coming
in a way. Oh, you don't even know what's coming. Wait,
do you see the shit that's happened in this summer?
The shit that I'm coming up with this summer because Mike,
you know, you know this part of it, the culture,
right which you guys bring up I'm over here mind
my own business. I'm still getting fucked with, burnt shit talked,

(18:59):
you know, And I'm like, I don't even know the
people that are saying shit, Like I could get less, dude,
you don't come out in the woods with me. You
probably don't know even on a pair of boots. So
I just my point is to slam that door on
that side of the culture. Just completely ignore them till
they shut their mouths so they go elsewhere.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
I think that's part of our documentary too, is showing
the double edged sort of the Bigfoot community. It's like
there's everyone's great in collaborating, but there's also a little
bit of a toxic side to it. And you're like, well,
why are you gatekeeping the cryptods and on the big Foot?
Like we all need to collaborate and work together on
this sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
And that's a great point.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
And I've had a lot of people on my live
events that have become like family was and I truly
I care about these people and I truly do and
and we talked about filming and production like yourself, but
I said, I don't want to do it if everybody
from my YouTube channel can't come with me. So how
do I hold a camera and do a documentary and

(20:00):
still talk to my friends? So that's when we added
another camera, filming us with the camera, so to speak.
And that idea just evolved at a loyalty to them
because I didn't want them to be left behind.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I've even said to him, if.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
If you have a problem being on TV or whatever,
jump off now, because I want you to be part
of it. And this is what we're gonna do. And
I've been true to my word. And they're the same way.
They're the same thinkers, the same type of thinkers, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like minded, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Right,
So I think it's huge. And then I find Wojoe,
this guy over here. I knew him from softball for decades,
played against him, played with him, whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It was, and can smashed them.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
I gotta a softball, by the way, and lefty and
he got interested and something again kind of drew me
to him. I'm like, and I had a battle within
if I wanted to have a co host, right And
I'm like, cause you gotta be careful with what you
do in this world, especially because now you've got a
podcast world, and you have a cryptid world, right, and

(21:03):
that it's you're combining it, but you got to keep
him separate too. So one ever sent the right choice
because he's he gets it, you know what I mean, right,
wo Joe, you get it right?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I absolutely get it.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
You know because I actually called you, asked you the questions.
You know, obviously you know you're running a podcast.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
What is it about.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
I've always been intrigued about Bigfoot, always has been since
I was a kid, UFOs things like that.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
But when Richie.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Said, well I got big for my back yard, my
mind just exploded, like what And when he told me
about his story, you know, I was so intrigued. I
you know, Richie's like, I'll take you to my house
one of these days and what have you. And that's
when the following day gave me a call because a
producer got sick and we Richie had They were to
go out on an investigation in central mass and he

(21:51):
asked me to come along. So I was a borderline
skeptic and I will speak for rich that, uh, you know,
going in there. Just you know, I've been a hunter
all my life, being on the woods, love being out
in the woods by the way, being that borderline skeptic
and not everything you know, you just you just try

(22:14):
to find the unusual stuff. And but Richie never really
said anything to me, like, you know, of anything other
than like, you know, I I question on like some
of these trees that are like that were twisted in
a ninety degree angle.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
So I came to him and that's when Richie goes h.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
So that's how we started molding together because he let
me to kind of like take it all in and
what have you. So that's where I came in here
and it all worked out. But for you, Matt, yeah,
starting all this with Bigfoot, were you like a borderline skeptic? Also,
I mean, where did you stand before you.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well, I'm honestly I'm still skeptic.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
I haven't seen anybody that has really changed my opinion.
But I've seen the passion that you know, people have
behind Bigfoot and stuff like that. And when Mike and
Kelly started New yorkter Bigfoot Society, I wanted to follow
that movement.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I wanted to get that sort of journey.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
And I don't know if you know this, but Mike's
actually my father in law. So he's going to do.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
A Sorry about that. Sorry, hang on a minute, I
think I might have some father in law music.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh here we go.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Would you say, can you read that? I canna zoom man?
Hang on an I didn't.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's nobody that knew that.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Mike tinleyther in law.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
And we just want to send out our love and
compassion to Matt and all that comes with that responsibility
of dealing with Mike Tinsley in a different way, not
just business. He's obviously married to Mike's son. Anyways, I

(24:09):
go out to you, mister Matt. You know, you bring
up some great that's you bring up some great, great stuff, man.
And that's what I love. I love skeptics. I love
them as well, Joe. There are such an integral part
of this. They have to be respectful though. As far
as skeptics go, you have you're not going to get
anywhere button heads clashing, bullshit, Hey crap blade, that shut up.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
I've been naturally skeptic about everything, so it's great and
and and that's one thing about our film is that
like skepticism is good, but cynicism isn't.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
And that's kind of like.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
The theme that we're trying to put through like, yeah,
this could be scary, but you've got to be positive
about it.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, sometimes times things don't add up, right, it's good
to be skeptical of that.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
You don't want to just believe everything you read, everything
you hear, these stories tell so you got to kind
of go and and take things. But when when you're online,
you're working with people, and it's it's cynicism that comes out.
That's what's toxic, you know, that's what ruins everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
We talked a lot Richie over the last year or
so about how, yeah, we've taken this journey and that's
what inspires me is when I went to Whitehall for
the first time and saw how people were just willing
to talk and kind of be open about things. It
was it was like, you know when you walk into

(25:31):
church and everyone's having a great time and you're like,
what am I missing? You know, And that's kind of
what it's evolved to, this kind of this this connection
that people have. And like you said, rich like you
don't give an f anymore, right, you don't care what
people think, you know, Like somebody wants to talk crappy
about about you, or whatever, and so that that allows

(25:53):
you to to kind of walk with your head up
and it makes you feel confident and comfortable. And that's
what I want to share with other people too, is
that hey, it's okay, there's a whole community out here.
You're not alone if you had a sighting. You know,
people feel ashamed.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I get.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I get stuff all the time now where they want
to tell me about their sighting and they don't know
who to talk to, and it changes their life, Like
you can't be skeptical about that. That literally, those that's
the passion, that's the drive in all of this, and
when it starts bringing the community together, like I've seen
New England having nothing, we're having a hard time trying

(26:26):
to find out what's going on in the Bigfoot community
to where you know, where we're looking to do a
lot of cool stuff, where we're going to promote and
kind of grow, you know, not only as who we
are in the big Foot community, but just as individuals.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
That's that's just inspiration and hopefully that wire others, you know,
and and hopefully we can come across to the point
where in our film where people that aren't involved with
Bigfoot still want to watch. They still find it compelling,
they still find a story.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
You know, I give I give Matt prop stuff for
sticking around Mike, because like that, what I'm saying is
the subject.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
As a skeptic, right that used to you?

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Do you still want to go out, you know, be
with your file and the law and be out with
you know, Kelly and and go out and continue to
to see what is going on? You know, you're having
that driving you and I you know, I compliment you
on that, you know, just not giving up and say ah,
this is all hogwash, and you know, so on and
so forth.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean I want to even though as a skeptic,
I still want to be a part of the you know,
the whole hunt, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I just love being a part of something.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
And I think being in a Bigfoot community it's it's
it's a great community to be in.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Well, we've also met like a lot of people like
you rich podcasters, uh, filmmakers, authors, We've met just crap
ton of people that we didn't know where we were
going to be mingling and you know, having contacts in
our own with you know these people, and it's and
it's once again it's inspiring, so how could you not
be inspired? When we went up to Portland. I know

(28:08):
Matt couldn't make it, he was actually shooting a film,
but we I went up to Portland with Adam and
Zach from Penford Media. You've had him on the show
before war Who.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
We haven't done really collaborated with much with those guys
in the last few months, but we're looking forward to
just hook up with him and have fun. But when
we went we talked to Jean Tewksbury. I was actually
just finishing a clip of her for the documentary where
she talks about wild mountain lions and that kind of
makes that connection with Bigfoot and wildlife. Yeah, and her

(28:44):
philosophy on the big cats. It fits Bigfoot. You know,
why wouldn't they be there? They have the room and
the space and the food sources to make it happen.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
So why why wouldn't that be right? The culture Tuesday though,
the cultures shoes on my show, and when I had
thrown down Thursday, and I was bitching because there was
you know, I don't want to get into it too much.
Where's the trackway five miles from my house? And nobody? Yeah,
from a secret email from somebody that's loyal to me.
What the going, bro, Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Like?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Oh, great, good for you, You're amazing. I didn't know
it was about you, my bad. I thought it was
about this primitive human walking around you want.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Honestly, that was the naivete that I had when I
went to Whitehall. I like, Wow, all these citizens, scientists, investigators,
you know, amateur sluice, everybody's working together to find Bigfoot.
And then I realized, heckery hits and nobody's working together.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
My god, no, hey, it was like it was like
all these busy ants building the right, We're all.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Like everybody ran. I'm like, what the fuck happened? You
left me with the whack job? Probably if you knew, like.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Man, if you want the thing that came out of
their mouths oh boy.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I was playing Fortnite with him and his kids, playing
with my kid, and I'm like, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Everybody goes.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Until you have to put in the work.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
You know. It was like a bad date every night,
you know, right, it was so bad.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
But that's what that's what you know. You talk about rich,
how we had this bromance, right, we did? We were
chatting all the time, our wives were yelling at us,
and uh, but we talked about growing. We talked about
bringing something, you know, not only for ourselves but in
New England. And I think what kind of went down

(30:37):
in Henniker and how they you know, after talking to
everybody that was kind of there man around, realized that
we needed to kind of get our ship together, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
And at that point I realized, like, well I had
I had to ask myself. And it's part of the document.
It's a turning point. Really we do we blow it
up or do we put it back together? And well
you'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, I got there.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, now, but we do have a trailer. Yeah, that's
a good segue right into the trailer. And and and
we did for me when I was new it was
you know, the podcast that was all new and stepping
into the actual Bigfoot world.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
And it was great to learn it locally.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yes, it was a deep dive, right I Yeah, but
I think it was good for us locally to learn
that and not have to deal with the nationwide boat.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Some of the other side of the country came into
play during that.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, and they have sense two or three more times,
including the one five miles from my house. And I
think that's why I'm so pissed that I'm gonna about
to build a wall. And I'm all I'm all done,
me and more. Jove announced that we're doing a library tour.
We're going in the way of the vocals. We feel
that their method is inspiring. Yeah, I want to talk

(31:58):
to people. I want local people know our name, our
phone number. I want them to understand what we're all about,
and if they have an incident, they reach out to
the right people and not just bring in some national
conglomerate that you got to wait years to get the
actual report back to you, or or for that matter,
some you know, like I said, author, you know what
I mean, Like, why are we calling an author?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:20):
They know something about the Bridgewater tronogle, you know what
I mean. Yeah, I read a lot about it, a
lot of reading and rewriting, you know what I mean.
And it's just not the right method to take. And
I don't think it does anything. You know, We've earned
everything that we had. I gut shelves of evidence over
there that you could you could put together in a
circumstantial way and have a case, all right, and that's

(32:41):
the bottom line, and that's what I go with. And Matt,
I'm not far off of me. I'm a realist, bro.
Not everything's big for it. I'm still at ninety five percent.
And I've heard them talk to each other. Sure, they
just didn't come out of the woods and talk to me.
So I'm not at a hundred. But I sat there
with somebody from the BFI Row and that actual author
that I'm talking about and listened to them go back
and forth and converse.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
And then people that are knowers that have seen them
still look at me like, Wow, that's crazy. Really that's
better than seeing them.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I'm like, is it?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I would say that just because I do believe that.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well's true, what's up, Henry?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, And that's just because you don't see it doesn't
mean it doesn't exist. You're right, But I appreciate your
honesty and you're not trying to blend in with bullshit.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, I think that's a part of it too.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
It's like, I mean, our documentary is about bigfoot in
the culture and stuff, but I also kind of wanted
to take it from an outside perspective, from someone who
doesn't really know anything about it. So, right, if you're
watching this and you don't know anything about Bigfoot, especially
in the Northeast, like this is like we're showing you, Yeah,

(33:52):
what's happening, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
And hopefully as a viewer, no, if you're not even
in a big Foot it moves you. Hopefully it gives
you little goosebumps at some point and makes you kind
of think twice about what the world around you. I think,
and I think that's what we all need, right with
the politics, with the geopolitics, with the social media, with
all the stuff Kelly and I have talked about since

(34:14):
day one, getting kids off the games, off the computers
and get them outside, like let's explore, let's get some
fresh share.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Let's yeah, same theory as the vocals.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Right, you go on credit festival on Facebook, make sure
you follow, tell your friends to follow. If you've got
five people in your house, everybody follow. You don't have
to be from the area to participate. You don't have
to be from the area to promote and help these guys.
They want to bring the wilderness to the kids. And
the kids back to the wilderness. This great cause and
a great theory, and I love it and I'm so

(34:43):
proud to be a sponsor and not better than that. Friends, Yeah,
those guys are my friends. And I hold our relationship
very near and dear. So make sure you do the
same thing. What's this Penford media coming in here?

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Ohady?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I think they he just said it, panos up Interview
of the Century. Glad Bojo's got the flood. He looks
like the short Gronkowski brother who got to the.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
At least he hey, at least he called you, homie.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, I guess so, my Christian brother.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, probably I would have put it
past Zach either.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
You know, can you ask anything?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
We have the stay tune, we have the trailer to
manape among us. Don't go anywhere, all right, we don't
talk away. I'm not going to a commercial relax. Can
you ask Mike what he's seen for activity up around
the Pawtucka tuck Away State Park.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Puck Away is a hot spot in southern New Hampshire,
for sure. It's kind of part of this whole area
that we've been kind of focusing on from Bearbrook State
Park to the west, which border is almost along conquered
Pembroke Manchester to ptuck Away in the east, and it's
like two and square miles, probably about the same area
as the Bridgewater Triangle. But we have three state parks,

(36:05):
tons of wildlife refuges, power lines that interconnect. And I'm
giving too much, Matt because we gotta save it. We
gotta save something.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, we gotta save something. And we're gonna have a
great conversation about this.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Tuckaway is a great spot. Found some really cool stuff
up by the Boulder Cave, so if you're out there,
you want to go and check around out there. We
got some real cool sounds and come to find out
they were bart owl. But the way they kind of
echoed through the woods, well it was uh. Well, that's

(36:38):
that's the thing that There's been a lot of speculation
on whether or not you know how bigfoot mimics burn.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm a great believer in mimick and let me tell
you something. We had them go back and forth live
on our YouTube the other day. Last time we were
out excuse me last week. We haven't been out in
a little bit because the winds have been crazy down here,
and we cannot go in the woods. With the wind,
you can't hear anything approaching you, and you don't know
when something's coming down on your head. So and it
sounded like whoops. Together people said that to me, Oh,

(37:10):
that sounds like a battle. But no, no, no, you
have to have context of the situation. Context of the
situation puts everything together for you and writes the book
one percent. If you don't have the context of what
we went through, I'm asking for your opinion for the sound.
So I can't be crucial to you, and I would
never shit on anybody's opinion. But context of the situation

(37:31):
is very critical. It was put together as whoops to
sound like a battle. Me let me include this. I
have been on my journey as a researcher for ten
years now, it's about ten years approaching ten years. I've
been in my woods. I've been in all well, I've
just been in all kinds of woods. I've been in
the woods for ten years.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I've been in the woods for ten years. I've never
heard a bottle. I've never ever, ever ever heard one ever.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I've heard woo like a right, like a regular, but
I've never heard the sounds that bad Oubls make right
very specific, and that day, with all the ship that
was going on, all of a sudden we heard that,
you know what I mean, and I just don't. To me,
it's a mimic. So a lot of the mimics that

(38:22):
I've heard, I can break them down. So what I'll
do is I'll go on and I'll pick up a
sound from Google and I'll play it side by side,
and there is just to me, I'm trying to get
more in the mimics and structures because we don't. People
don't go for that. They want footprints in here and
you know, piss and poop and all this other stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
But you're not going to get that. You're not.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
We're not getting that. You can bring that to that.
You can bring that to the table all you want. Here,
I got a big pile of poop.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
What's that? It came back unknown? Oh good job, You've
You've undiscovered the unknown.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Like you can't do anything with it. So you got
to try to put together you know, sounds right. So
we had a linguist actually check out a recording of
ours and he put it on the.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
What do he put it? Wo?

Speaker 5 (39:05):
Joe the potential, highly potential, Yes, very very highly potential
of the Sierra sounds.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, he matched it up with the Sierra sounds. And
I'll never tell you one hundred percent, he matched up
with the Serius sounds.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
And it ended with.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
It was they were talking, they were communicating, and ended
with but you can hear him approaching our gifted chair
going yeah kid, But you take that tone and you
put it with the battles you hear and you're like,
oh my god, that tone is almost exact. So you know,
you gotta look at different aspects of this and not
just go for the footprints or the shattered bones with
the marrow sucked out of it. We got peanut butter

(39:43):
jaws over there with sticks that we know were used
in order to eat the peanut butter. That's a different
type of research. Now now we're now, we're now we're talking.
So we got to change it up because anything you
get for DNA. First of all, the line that you
would wait for anybody to validate you is about two years,
and for one it's gonna come back unknown because we.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Don't have it. Good ward, get over it. We don't
have it. It's so stupid. What are we.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Doing science rich with nothing.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Oh look it for nothing and nothing equals not bad.
Good Ward, I've got like eighty five rock stars. Shut up.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
There's also to Mike and Matt well Rich you was
saying earlier about the mimican. It's also like the moment
the timing of where these mimics are happening. Okay, Yeah,
we did like a night investigation. We heard an owl.
I heard the owl from a distance.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
I looked at my brother. I said, that's not an
owl because the at the end.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
But also I can hear like some sort of like
a like they try to do a deer call, and
I'm like, wait a minute, two different animals, and that's
very start. Within a minute, it doesn't sound right. And
so what I'm saying is too, is that back and forth.

(41:06):
We were at the gifting chair, We're looking at our evidence.
We'll look at the peanut butter, jazz, possible other evidence
that we have, and all of a sudden, we just
came from the areas of where these woops are coming from.
They were literally like like fifty yards rich approximately.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
It was close it.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Behind the one behind us. It was like fifty yardds.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, day and we've been here in the whole time,
a company with huge wood knocks.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Oh my god, way off.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
In the distance.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
But by the time we got to the gifting chair,
that's where he had been the whole time. He's just
off the distance because they walked away. So the moment
the location.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
But I mean, look, I mean I I understand that
you know there are other people that they'll say an owl. Yeah,
it does sound like an hour, it really doesn't. Just
but the high pitch and the hook at the end, well,
it was different.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
But the answer the way Kirby's question, what are your
opinions on the topic that bigfoot forest people can cloak
and be interdimensional? So here I am with this. I'm
about forty on the cloaking. I'm at zero. On the
interdimensional I'm not. I just don't have anything behind that
shows me that I don't. I haven't seen anybody go
out of an ob and go hello, Richard. It just

(42:17):
hasn't happened. But the cloaking, I've had experiences with something
that I cannot see but can hear right in front
of me, almost right' even I've even seen blurred visions
go through the woods.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
But I don't say anything. I keep it to myself.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
We've had reports of like bigot using portals and things
like that.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So yeah, yeah, I see. I don't know, how do
you see that?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Report? Though?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
A light showed up and you know, an old swagon
came out, and well that's smoking weed? Like how do
you see a portal?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Like? What? You know? What I mean? I know what
a portal is, but how do I mean? I just don't.
I'm not there, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, excuse me for me looking is I don't. I
don't know about like a digital cloak, for instance, like changing,
but I do believe in camouflage, you're making yourself small
and invisible. I think that's possible. I think a big
animal can kind of blend in, has a way to
kind of just be part of the landscape and not notice.
To me, that's kind of cloaking to the But the

(43:20):
portal thing, I don't even I'm not even sure what
they mean by another dimension? What is that dimension?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I don't get it. I'm not sure. I'm not in
a paranormal yet yet. And I've talked to clairvoyance and
I've talked to all kinds of people that have have
an opinion on this. But for me personally, you know,
I I'm an idea guy. But other than that, I

(43:48):
connect with, you know, what's around me. I kind of
live in the moment, see taste touching here. So that's
kind of how I validate what reality is.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, and that's fair. That's fair to me.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
And I don't have a paranormal can people. My daughters
and my wife seemed to. I have one hundred and
thirty five year old house and my littlest one won't
come back because she thinks it's haunted. But I think
it's just a creaky old house by the road, you know.
But that's me. So as far as some of the WU,
you know, I want to sit down with Ronnie LeBlanc
and really kind of pick his brain on some of

(44:19):
this stuff. And I've run into him a few times,
but I haven't had that chance to kind of sit
down with him and kick back and kind of you know,
and kind of go over that because I think he's
one of the guys that that's kind of the he's
kind of the you know the guy.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, Yeah, he's the WU guy.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So he's had a lot of experience too, But he's
got a lot of boots on the ground experience. So
Ronnie's somebody that you have to respect, whether you believe
in what he says or what he believes or not,
you have to respect her because he's put it in
his work.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
He done it, he's done his time. And I watch
a lot of his.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Stuff, and a lot of stuff I'll be like, nah, dude,
come on, and other times I'm like, you know, but
even when I say that, I still have to respect
the work I have to. And who's yelling at me
to show the trailer? Because she apparently she's Yeah, she
does this to me all the time. Kid, Hey, how'd
that cast come out?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Like? I'm like, come on, man, why you don't like.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I was having You don't like I was having a
conversation about Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
You bunch of jerks.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
About well, you're building up the trailer now they want
to know what happened, and that's what I'm supposed to do.
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I mean, these guys, you know, I love them with death.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
But you know, Nula Blank is a first hand on,
you know, boots on the ground guy, And those are
the people I respect and.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Finish off.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yeah, So all I'm saying is that to hear like
people that you know, authors and things like that, they're like,
to me, like third party people. They're not their experience
is being taken away of people that write the books.
So I mean, and they're not really boots on the
ground anymore. They're just like reading up other people's stories.
And that's why guys like Ronnie LeBlanc is a great

(46:05):
guy to go up to and ask these questions, you know,
about interdimensionals things like that, because boots in the ground
is that would.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Be where I go, to be honest with you, you
know what I mean, that that would be where I go.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
I mean, maybe that's the upcoming year. We need to
get him on the fucking Swoop start. We need to
get him on the show.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Watch your fucking mouth, Tinsley, all right, maybe monetize.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
You're gonna screw up my monetization, your asshole. That boy
I really could kill.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, maybe we can get him on the show figured out,
you know, he needs. We need to try to bring
guys like that in because he's one of the guys
that you say that flies all over the world to
find Bigfoot, and he's writ in your backyard, rich dude.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
You know he doesn't He doesn't know I exist until
you go and tell him that I exist and make
him say happy anniversary to me while you have a gun.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Not right anniversary.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I've got a whole funny story to tell you about that,
but we can. That's for another time.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Imagine, Oh look at look at you? Who? Look at
look at the who?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
What?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And what is wrong with you tonight? De Who? What
is this? Wold?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
You're preaching to the choir? Let's go like you some
way to be man?

Speaker 4 (47:16):
What is going on here?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I don't know, bro, you know what I mean? I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Let me see what Wade Kirby has to say before
I show the trail off, because he's he's got interesting
questions and wants to participate and not yell at everybody.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Why don't why dawn? Don't we ever? Ever? Oh? A
dead body? The dead body theory? Do they really bury
their dead? All? Right?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
So I've heard some of this in mounds and Native Americans.
But here's one thing for you. We're friends.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
The Vogels.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Tim Vogel is a park ranger of thirteen hundred acres
out there in western Massachusetts, and he showed us a
picture of a deer that was torn a pot.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
On the ice that basically the day that it got killed.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
You can see the whole caucus it was, got it
a little bit, all the good stuff was taken out,
and he said it lasted four days and not one
bone was found on the ice as a deer, not
not in the acidic pine needles or in the woods,
hidden wide open on a pond, frozen like you would
put your meat in a freezer. It was frozen, and

(48:20):
four days is what it lasted. So no, that's that's
just where I'm at. Because you know the bone theory again,
you know why people say it to me all the time?
Why I'm not nothing to you, Wade. It's a great question,
But it's the bone's theory. The dead body theory, to
me is completely debunked, not only just by that, just

(48:40):
by knowledge. And if it's someone that is maybe they
have a hierarchy in their clans, then they do bury
them in the burial mounds. I just I don't think
they necessarily do. I think they take them somewhere to
give back to the earth. I think they would be
more like that, you know, like for me when I go,
I want someone to plant a tree in my belly,
you know what I mean, or you know, stick an
oak tree in my ass let them grow.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
You know what I mean? And and uh drop the
macns off people.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So so what everybody sits under the tree, I can
just drop an acorn on them. We's gonna show this
damn trailer before do you who calls the cops?

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Well, you know what I wanted to add is the
Vieia Brothers. The Viera Brothers are local trailer. Yeah, I'm
gonna show it good. But I'm all I'm gonna say, oh,
Lord Joe, well if they found giants buried, I mean
hundreds of tons of rock buried all throughout New England

(49:37):
the world.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, and that's the great theory. That's another theory.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
So that's it's all I got. Okay, back to the trailer. Well, no,
I just want to listen. Who's the Who's mad?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
So I wanted to make sure I ejected you from talking,
you know, because it's a podcast that has conversation. Good,
lord man, go listen to us and don't worry about
the visual. How's that huh?

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Trying to pick de hood as the so I guess
it didn't work out so well?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah, no fight or a day one.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Everybody, please please focus, get out your get out your popcorn,
get out your big get out your soda, whatever it
might be. I want you guys to sit down and relax.
I would like to dedicate this trailer to our friend
de hoot Uh. This was clearly very passionate about it
and you we'll get it right over there and follow
manape among us. We're gonna check out some of this work.

(50:27):
This is a world premiere, by the way, because baby,
we worldwide, so all this is gonna be written in
Japanese by tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (50:34):
Right here, it's important to study why are we seeing
these creatures?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
For decades we've heard legends of big hairy creatures lurking
behind every tree. Are they half man or half ape?

Speaker 9 (50:51):
We have other things in a fossil record similar to
man and other types of apes, and this seems to
be somewhere between less human and human.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
The ancient natives in the Northwest Pacific called them Susquin's.
Chinese call them yeah Ran. Could these beast be RelA? Commonids?
Have our prehistoric cousins returned from our past to live
amongst us.

Speaker 10 (51:12):
One day, when we find that sasquatch, you know, maybe
we'll just have them laid out in a fro hood.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
I think there's a host of paranormal entities or crypto
zoological mysteries out.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
There I have heard but not seen.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
It wouldn't surprise me if there's all sorts of.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
Different creatures out there that haven't been identified yet.

Speaker 11 (51:44):
Nice try, I'm gonna kick your ass. I'm telling you,
where's the body? Where's me Frin's body?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Here's this creature standing there, seven and a half eight
far tall, four hundred pounds, maybe more Syriani.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I'm Mike Tinseley. Follow me as we talk with the
experts and go down the rabbit hole of the world
of cryptos walach, and I'll take you with me as
I go through thicking thing blinding le trench following the tracks.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I love it, dudeh I freaking love it.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
That's my favorite big Foot Hallow. You see the squatti
You see the.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Squatty put started falling down?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Oh no, that was amazing. Good job, job, good job.
I mean, I personally feel you should have more of
me in it. But that's Okay, well, no, there's there's
there'll be more of you.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
No, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Kidding, dude. I love that. I love that. I love
I love that one. Every time I see it. I
love it. That was a great trail. I love that.
Come on, now give it around on a point. Yeah,
very good something. You know. I love rich.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I think it's amazing. Thank you for sharing it with us.
And I mean I'm honored, dude, I really am. That
is Matt great work. By the way, way to make
Tinsley look good and smiling, well, that's what seriously, bro,
that's well, that's the same thing with Bobby. Look around me.
This is she did all this. I just learned how
to work what she puts up. She's like, oh, you
gotta do this, and I oh, I can click a picture.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I think.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I think that's one of our process was just jumping
into the chaos, you know, chaos theater. We just jumped
into it and I ended up you know, setting things up,
lining stuff up, and and you know, going there and
be willing to talk to people. And we just recorded
as much as we could. Whether I went out in
the woods by myself, you know, we did a lot

(53:49):
of scouting and that was the thing, because what we're
trying to do is lock down our area. You know, Richie,
you've got your area. I got like so much woods.
I'm not sure where to go and what what because
I don't want to scare them away too, right, I don't.
Part of what what I'm trying to do is really
kind of define a spot, and I didn't want to
really give it away. But but Tuckaway is part of

(54:10):
that that equation and it's not far from Charming Fair
where you guys you know, came and you're gonna come
back again. And Jean's gonna make a presence in it
as well. I was just working on her she should
the other day, so it was fun to get to
just chat with her a little bit, you know, real
casual and and loose. But I think at the end

(54:32):
we want to bring help bring the New England community
together because there was a void. It was like an emptiness,
and there's you know, there's new guys like yourself, me
and Adam from Penford, like we're all in this New
England area and we want to do stuff. We want
to be part of the community. We want to grow,
you know, and you know, and We've had a lot

(54:54):
of excitement and a lot of response from people outside,
like Crystal Panic. You know, she's a BFR member from
represented from New Hampshire who's excited to see like life
and stuff here kind of happening, and I see you
know what you're doing and what just kind of more
more enthusiasm and more just letting people know it's okay,

(55:17):
Like it's okay to come out with this stuff, it's
okay to embrace it, it's okay to show the world
that you like bigfoot Yep, it's all right, it's okay.
And I think that's what.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
I think A big part of this too, is inspiring
other people to go out and do their own investigations. Yeah,
and not even that, just like go out and camp,
Like go out, go out to these conventions and talk
to people and connect and and make more connections and
you'll learn new things every day.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
So yeah, I think it's important that we open our
minds and people that are already here, like you know
what you guys are saying, what kind of the stewards
of that.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
We're the ones that can say that, hey, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
You know, like when I brought Wojo out only did
I just caress his back?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
No, I'm just kidding. Sorry, Sorry you guys still here?
Sorry did I say that out loud? Oh my god?
It's seven o'clock. My meds wore off. But I was
just like, I was just like, bro, what do you know? Like,
what do you see? I wasn't like, don't you see it?
Don't you see it right there? You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I didn't do that shit. It was just like, here
you go, bro, walk in the woods and not as
a hunter this time. Walk in the woods as a
researcher this time. It's totally different. And explain to me,
like if we came across the structure and I'm all
about structures, don't somebody says, but I think they use
it for hunting. I think they use it, you know,
for for signals, signs, fun clan definition, all of it.

(56:43):
I think they use structures for everything. The trees are
their text messages. People wake the cop. How else are
they going to communicate? Firing a blanket, like what are
we talking about here? We'll find them if we see
smoke randomly in the middle of nowhere. This is their
text message. This is how they commute. Kate I will
die on the hill with that. You know what I'm saying, Uh, Jeane,

(57:03):
that does not too much information?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Stop that you. Jean's like, oh god, there's a pot
of research I didn't need. We love, we love.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Jane to expire, and she should be honored and and
and to me reveled in the research world. And it's
funny because I had her on the show and I
wanted to talk to her about her research techniques, and
then Idiocy kicked in and we just had it just
a great time hanging out, and and I didn't even
get to go over the techniques with her.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So I'd love to have her back and do that.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
And I want to include her a private discussion, mister Tinsley.
I think she'd be a huge asset for that. Absolutely absolutely,
I really believe that. And I don't think she gets
the credit she deserves. So by the way, too, Yeah,
what's up. Two days ago, there's been Jane, this is
for you. There's been a Bobcat siding. Yes, in Norwood

(57:57):
Wellesley line.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Yes, Yes, a lot of It's been a lot of reports.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
It might be more than one. Yeah this year, yes,
just just two days ago.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
They just.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
I think it was on a game trail or something
like that, so whoever was researching out there.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
So so Geene there you go. Look, I think this
is what I think. Not to cut you off, but
I like to do that. So what I think is
Geen Geene Tewksbury is a valuable researcher to draw further
into the big Foot community. That's what I That's what
I believe. And I think it's we're doing a disservice

(58:35):
by having a researcher like that over there. She should
be more into here and helping, you know, getting involved
more with the big Foot, with the techniques and talents
that she has, and and with her subject the big cats.
But have her and she's in the big Foot. She's
to me, she's a big Foot researcher, but we need
more of her.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I believe that it.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Helps give credibility too, because she's taking wildlife, you know, approach,
you know, to this and helping guys like us who
have the passion, have the drive. But we're not refined.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
I didn't get to go to college and get a
degree in biology or anything. I don't know about you,
Rich and I, but I know the woods from being
out there. I'm an avid forger, you know, a hunter
to wojoe. And it's like when you start looking at
things like structures, they do tell you something. Because I've

(59:27):
even you know, sitting at the base of a tree,
you know, look at waiting, you know, being quiet, and
then look around start noticing things, like one time it
really stood out wasn't a big foot, but it was
a black bear. And I realized that the tree that
I was sitting on as soon as so I was
hunting behind my yard, probably about four hundred yards wasn't
far off behind my house. And I sit sit down

(59:50):
kind of the place where I could see some game
trails kind of cross and I started noticing tree bends.
It was what was it? It was probably like some
witch hazel and some willow stuff that was kind of
bent over, and I kind of thought it was a
little odd. A couple small like crab apple trees were
bent over. And so I started looking around and I

(01:00:12):
see this big grapevine, a big thick grapevine, bigger than
my arms, all rubbed underneath. And then as I started looking,
I saw more little clues and it was bear scat everywhere.
And I looked at the tree that I was leaning
on and it was scraped. The hell it was a
marking tree, you know. So if I wasn't sitting down,

(01:00:32):
being patient and observing what was around me, I would
have bypassed all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
The same goes with bigfoot. I have never had a
big foot encounter. And it's not that I'm like, oh,
I gotta find one, but I I want to. I
want to, well, I do want to find one. While
else would I be doing this right? I mean, I
want to be part of that search. I want to
be out of that that process, even if it's just
to rule it out, you know, cross off an area

(01:01:00):
off the list, you still have to go through all
the thing. You know, the checklist the right way, and
getting that checklist so you don't miss anything is important.
And like you Richie, owning the structures, owning the stuff
that nobody else will own. You know, you take a
guy like Steve Calls. He doesn't want to talk about
structures and he won't even talk about the WU. But

(01:01:20):
as far as investigating and researching people that have the claims,
one of the most interesting things that you know, not
only Steve, but Lauren Coleman told Adam and I and
Zach that you really have to kind of look at
the people who have some of these reports to make

(01:01:40):
you gotta you just got to kind of make sure
that you're not getting fed a bunch of bs. So
that's part of the process and understanding that to this
there's a way and and I think putting that together,
maybe that's a discussion that we can have and how
we grow as a New England community. But where's the boundary.
You know, you take somebody like the BFRO who must

(01:02:03):
have strict criteria, because the complaint that we hear on
the other side from them is that, oh, they didn't
report my report. You know, people Remaine told us that
they're like, yeah, we don't really deal with and we
deal what kind We're cool where we work together, you
know for the most part. But you know, they're kind
of they have their own research and they keep it
on the downlow. And we find that all through Northern

(01:02:26):
New England too, is where people are untrusting. So we
have to build trust. And I think by building trust,
we need to make sure that our techniques are solid
thought out and that's how we can move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
But that but again, you're right on and again, you
go back to the vocals, and the vocals are set
in the precedence, and I love seeing what they're doing,
old time, old school research, reaching out to the public,
putting little boxes up with little notes in. You drop
it in. If you have it's all all you know, uh,
based on anonymity, and they're trying they're building the trust.

(01:02:59):
So if something happens to Joe Smith on you know,
Parker Avenue, and it goes, what's the way I do?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Next to you doing? What's he doing?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
What are you recording? He's taking uh self.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I didn't give you. I didn't give you permission to
record me. They wrote me a Japanese on Google Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Worldwide. Well, just real quick, I want to say worldwide.
You want to say hi to my mom because I
know she's watching, So.

Speaker 12 (01:03:27):
Hey mom, mom, that's the first time anybody's ever done.
Let's that's been the Japanese on Google Bro. He's like,
my mom, my mom, mom, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Jet Nichols? How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
What I think what that does is the vocals are
building the trust that you talk about to the community.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
So when they do have that incident, they're like, oh
my god, do I do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Oh yeah, And then and they go, I'm gonna call
the Vogal brothers, you know, And that's what they're gonna
And that's what me and Wojo after this incident down
the street, right down the street. And I know, I
know it's the same clan because I know their roots
and I've been researched for a long time. I just
wanted the size of the damn track. All's he gonna
do is tell me the damn size of the track
so I could confirm that it was my dude, right right,

(01:04:18):
because I tracked mine by their sizes. Me and Wojo,
we measure them out. We know what they are. I
could yell them out before we even finished the measurement.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Did you see a little baby track by the way
we got in the ice?

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Oh, look at that. So how's the toast play?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
That's what the toes are? Straight. So you got one here?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Oh wait, I mean holding up here, here, here, and
here this one kind of wow. Yeah, that one was
tough to get out of the ice. But there's one, two, three, four,
there's probably on them over here. But you got understand
we're in ice and we had never gassed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
But yeah, they weren't pointed like humans, we wear shoes,
we we can find our feet. We have a different
look about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
So and it was an ice though, so it can
It was in slush, so it plays so much. It
was more like us like well like we do we hit,
not haling away, you know what I mean. It was
kind of like that. So we have the we have
the picture of this. Okay, it works yelling. Sorry, sorry,

(01:05:18):
so thank you for being here. So yeah, so with this,
we have the three D rendering of it. We have
the regular still pictures of it, and we have Wojoe
working through the blow torch to get it out of
the ice like seven days later because it's a dental bone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
So we have all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
We have the documentation as we go, and so you
can see this in many aspects. The cool pot about
this and it's hot to see from way over there,
but oh there it is. See the crease, Yeah, you
see the crease in the middle of the foot. Yep,
that's like we have comes out of the big toe.
She kind of like creases to the ball of the toe.
And this is eight inches by three inches. Now why

(01:05:55):
that why is that significant?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
One?

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I think they added on to the klan with a
with a little one but three inches of a hail
are three inches wide of a foot. Measure your foot
right now? Now my feet are like almost the ed
like an e wide foot. So I almost didn't get
into military because my axes were almost flat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Just barely made it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
And I'm at three and a quarter and I'm a
two hundred and thirty something pound man, five to nine
and with an eleven and a half foot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
You're telling me a little eight inch print is three
inches wide? Right? What kids?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
What kids running around with that barefoot, barefoot and the
slush in the middle of the woods. Exactly, It's not happening.
So again we go back to that circumstantial Right, Yes,
I pulled something physical out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
We did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
We pulled something physical out of the ice, But you
go back to the circumstantial stantial evidence of it context,
Like we discussed what's the context of it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Well, the context and the context is like we're out in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
The woods, this is this is freezing cold and slush, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Like, why would there be eight inch by three inch
footprint in the middle of the ice that that I've pulled.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
You can see the crease with I mean, look at
the crease.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Yeah, you can see the lines on that too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Oh yeah, when you look up close you can see
it actually got to spray this little more to protect it.
But but yeah, so that's my point is that you know,
we have to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
We have to be open about this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I can show you that. And some people be like,
oh blah blah blah. You know, they always have something
that get have to say about it, and and not
necessarily that particular print.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I'm talking overall. This is the stuff that we deal with,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
And and that's what the cynicism and the skepticism is different.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Different. It's frustrating, you know what I mean. It's frustrating.
Yeah that one. Yeah, okay, uh oh tales told and
Doc what's happening?

Speaker 11 (01:07:52):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
But bu buh Henry's here? Oh Sean Hillstone, what's up, dude,
I'm gonna save my brother. Man. Good to see you, dude,
I haven't seen you are in a wild man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
You got a second I want to talk to if
we can get Kenry Henry's attention. I got leaning over
to read because I got a camera right there. But no,
did Kenry Henry tell you about his sighting recently.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yes, we're very aware.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Henry's actually part of my live broadcast crew that we
have a private messenger and we get to stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
So what I do with that, We me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
And Henry go back and forth and we have for
a while over over a year now we've Yeah, we've
Henry's a good dude, he's a good guy. He's a
good asset to have. He's up there in Littleton near
the Coast County, northern New Hampshire.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
And yeah, I used to live there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
We actually had a guy, a hunter, actually reached out
to me and said that he saw something. It was
just before dark. He's in his tree stand bow hunting.
He saw the the uh, the wildlife kind of just
kind of act a little weird, just saw some stuff
happening and he went silent. So what he saw was

(01:08:59):
a what we think, after talking with Henry Kelly Porter
and doing something our own everybody's doing research, was that
it was a dog man sighting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
And so you're saying you're you're talking about Henry's sighting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
No, Henry's sighting was actually after.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
And you're not saying his was dog man. You're saying
there was another dog man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
We're not sure what Henry's was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
He said it was a little different, wasn't it right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, I'm wondering what the connection to woods devils are.
And I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with
the woods devils thing, but that's kind of part of
what we've been talking about. We're going to be talking
about with the documentary. It's it's almost like a cross
between Bigfoot and in a in a dog man. But

(01:09:47):
so here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Does that happen a lot in this commisation? Oh yeah,
wait yeah, grab yourself on this conversation. Yes, So.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Woods devils have been long told from that neck of
the woods for a while. You know, hunters would tell
them that stories of World War Two. Alex Petakoff, you know,
told us a story where there was some loggers up there,
some POW's that we're un logging duty and we're afraid
to go in the woods because these woods devils were around.
Kelly Porter and I can't I'm giving too much away,

(01:10:24):
but that's okay, that's what we're here for. We want
to get you guys to bite in on this manape
among us and follow us. But we think the power
lines the cut power lines over the last couple of
decades of bringing those things down. So dog mans have
known to be aggressive. Woods Devil's not so much, but
some of the physical physical features are similar. A woods

(01:10:47):
devil is known to be like that kind of high
behind the trees, stalk you. There's been reports through the
years of maybe like a more of us snout type thing,
kind of like a dog man would with twenty years.
You know, it's putting it together, figuring out what they
actually are and what these sightings, you know, putting labels

(01:11:08):
on them. It's that's the challenge rich, you know, not
being there and you're taking reports in it. And I
just got into this for Bigfoot and the cryptid thing
kind of added to it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Yeah, so so many different things.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Oh my goodness, it's never ending.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
So Henry was part of this whole thing. And then
in the meantime he's driving around. It's this icy night
and he sees this thing run across his truck. You know,
it's late at night. He's not sure it says it.
It has like it's about I think he said, seven
feet tall, thin athletic build runs across the street, and

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it looked like it had frosted tips. You remember back
in the eighties or the nineties, you know the was
it sugar Ray or whatever? He said, that's what It
kind of reminded.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Him of sugar Ray, Sugar Ray and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Those light colored bigfoot, thin lanky bigfoot. Uh, similar to
the woods devil.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
So so what do you think, what do you think
of that Henry's talk?

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
We should get you should have Henry on one time
he did a podcast I figured the Guy Show. Yeah,
he's a buddy of mine. Yeah, Henry's a good guy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Love Henry. Henry's a very knowledgeable dude. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
And so yeah, so there's a there's a hot spot
up there in his neck of the woods. There's a
lot of stuff going on and people are and here's
the thing, Rich, and you've talked to people here in
New Hampshire when you came up and you talk to people,
and people don't want to talk about it. They have
these sightings and they have these encounters, but they don't
they don't want to talk about it. And that's kind
of what meet Kelly and I want to do is

(01:12:49):
in New Hampshire Bigfoot Society is to get people to
feel comfortable to talk about them like it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Well that's the key, bro, because but we got it.
But we have to set up a comfortable area, right
I think. So, you know what I mean, we're the ones,
like I said, the stewarts of this, We're the ones
that have to be out here making it comfortable for
the people just to come to us, right like, just.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Just to be able to say hey, man, like I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
It took me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
It took great for me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
It took a great loss to open my het up
and to seek the passions in my life before it
was too late, you know. And I had this secret
passion that I wasn't sharing with people. I wasn't telling you.
The people right around me knew, and even some of
them thought I was alone. But I knew exactly after
a while what I was dealing with. I knew exactly.
I was building a relationship through communication with it. You

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know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
It was. It was weird, It was bizarre. How do
you go out and share that? Right? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
And I've never been known to I'm not a bullshit
of storyteller, liar shit talker. I just tell you like
it is. And you've got to do your own math.
How you're going to deal with it. That's not my problem.
So you know, so it was weird for me to
come out like that. I've had people come out like
what even more Joe mentioned it, like really you like
a lot, I'd go to softball that like rarely you
your big foot. But listen, Bigfoot came to me. I

(01:14:13):
didn't go to Bigfoot. I was interested and watched a
lot of their stories. You know, Henry's still here, bro
henray al right and Henry get dressed. So yeah, so
I had to go to that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
You know. It came to me and then now here
I am. And now we're not just out, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
All we actually are collecting things that have a questionable
evidence that we have. You know what I mean, man,
what do you find as a skeptic? What do you
find as a skeptic? The most intriguing piece of I'm
gonna do we have quotes for you evidence that you've
ever heard seeing held.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
I think the most interesting story that I've heard is
probably the Brian Goslin story from Whitehall and the Agra
Road story and stuff like that. I think the way
that he tells that story is so.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Well how can you not like, yeah, yeah, if you
you get a chance to me Brian Goslin and listen
to his story, it's it's pretty cool because he's a
no bullshit kind of guy. He don't f around at all.
And there's actually a good documentary with him in Finding Dystopia.
Those guys Joey and Anthony did a great job going

(01:15:28):
out in the woods with him, and yeah, he's the
whole reason that Whitehall's even a story. And that's kind
of where we started and where we kind of finished
up last year was with Whitehall. And I know it's
outside of New England, but it's literally like right on
the border there, right east of the the Adirondacks. It's

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he had. He's the one that had the balls to
actually step up and say, hey, yep, this was what
I saw. And he got ridiculed for it for years.
He didn't get his validation until the town created that festival,
that Calm Contest Festival. And from the first time we went,
we thought it was absolutely amazing. You know, people were welcoming.

(01:16:11):
We talked to the organizers, we talked to people, you know,
people related to the sightings through the years from Paul Bartholomew,
Steve Calls was there to talk to us. Emily Fleur
and that kind of just broke the ice. Talked to
Dan Gordon's brother, We talked to Brian Goslin, and we
talked to these other people around that you know, they

(01:16:36):
wanted their story to be told and they kind of
finally felt uh that validation once, you know, kind of
people started coming to help them celebrate and and for us,
that's really kind of what really just opened our eyes,
opened our hearts.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
Really, I definitely believe people more that aren't trying to
send like a sensationalize.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
It right right right, Well is that what That's what
I was gonna ask you? Yeah, is that what kind
of caught you and captivated dude? Because you felt that
he was genuine and he wasn't like, oh my god,
you know what I mean, Like, he wasn't theatrical, so
he was you felt a connection with him and the honesty.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
Yeah, there's a difference between someone who's trying to share
their story and someone who's trying to get clout and
fame and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yeah, yeah, And it's funny because for me, I have
a hot time because I started a podcast, so it
looks like that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
But I'm actually spending money to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Yeah, we haven't made any money on this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Merchandise. I got no money, dammit it. Good lord. So anyways,
I gotta I gotta fan.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I got a fanboy here for you, Mike from the
Sugar Ray days when you used to have frosted tips,
and I want to bring him on to screen so
he could you can sign something for him, maybe like
the rest or something.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
All Right, you gonna He's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Gonna sign your breast for you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
What's doing doing good? Henry?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
How's the weather up there? You guys? Get the snow
gone yet?

Speaker 7 (01:18:07):
Or still is bad up here? The snow's still a
better foot deep? Oh ship, I saw on top.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
One that you can't get out and buy any raises.
I see. Huh the fuck is that on your chin? Bro?
I left you all for three months. If you're a mess, I.

Speaker 7 (01:18:25):
Don't care attitude, Albano.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Look miss Henry Man, Henry, we miss you, bro. Yeah,
Henry's part of our team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Man. He come out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
He came out down with Joe Deandreid had his big
uh sighting back in the seventies, and we walked around
that pond and everything. It was nostalgic, man. Really, Oh
it was awesome, dude, it was awesome. We did that
as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I'm so lucky to have people like Henry. And Henry's
the one who brought up the peanut butter out of
a set. Well, we don't have egos around here. We
communicate with people and they give us great ideas, and
Henry gave us a great idea. I still have not
used a wouldn' spoon it. I don't think I ever
will so after you, Henry, but we use a stick
I have it right over there, and you can see

(01:19:09):
that that thing was picked up. You can see the
stick box and that and that peanut butter job. It
is one stick box picking that up and scooping it.
And I don't a raccoon don't have to do that.
He can just stick his hand in there and lick
his hand. So it's absolutely. Henry's an absolute es central
peace to us. And he lives in the town I
used to live in. I once was so drunk in

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Littleton I I took my buddy's call with a license
at like two in the morning. Some reason I thought
a store would be opening Littleton at two am back
in the eight nineties or whatever it was. So I
pull up and I pocked it. I was perfectly pocket
it up against this telephone pole.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I was like, oh, I got it now, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I didn't realize. I get out and I started walking
away and this car pulls up goes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Where are you going? So I'm going to my house.
He goes, where's that. I go like two miles up
that hill. He's like, why didn't you bring the cars?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I pocked the car and he's like, yeah, you pocked
it on a sidewalk.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
You're in it. Apparently I pull up on a sidewalk
with a telephone pole.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
And had a pocket as close as they could, like
the like the Brady's with the eggs on top of
the cone. I'm like, I did it like three times
and it was a stick. And up in Littleton, the
old area is the how the buildings are right up
on the on the road. Because it's New Hampshire, you
gotta do a lot of granted the build shit. Never
mind you go up for Littleton, it's even worse. So
all these big old beautiful structures like got the small

(01:20:29):
sidewalk and then the road's like right there and I'm
over here, like we hit like three times. Well, the
cop was awesome. He drove me home and he says,
I don't want you driving that anymore. You're gonna die.
And I'm like, oh thanks, am I wow bomb.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
In it, you know what I mean? Like I was
the bomb.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
But anyways, Henry Lilton is near and the out of
my heart as you can hear. Uh, Henry, can we
talk a little bit about you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Mike?

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Do you guys mind sharing his No? Absolutely, you got
you don't have to be anywhere. You're good for now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I'm good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
I've actually been wanting to kind of connect with Henry.
We just didn't because I've been so busy putting stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Oh you come a bit to a Richie Pete the peeps.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
So I texted Henry all the time where we're like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Where Mike stopped saying that, Mike, that's weird. Stop saying that. Please,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Nobody wants that visual of Henry sending your picks. Can
you tell us a little bit about what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:21:25):
The uh with my two sightings? Ten thirty at night,
I'm taking the dog outside for you know, his business,
and I always scan the length of my house to
my right all the way around to my left, and uh.
When I got about in front of me, down at
the bottom of the hill, there was something down there

(01:21:47):
behind a tree on its belly. It looks like it
was on his belly, and it looked like it was stretching,
and it was digging in the ground where I had
dropped some deer corn earlier in the season. It's like, well,
what the heck, that's not a deer. You know, it's
got something black on its eyes. What the frig is that?

(01:22:08):
I didn't know, couldn't identify it. After about four seconds,
it pushed up and walked backwards. It didn't try to
put us, put its knee down or anything. It just
pushed up and backed away. Didn't turn his back to
me at all. And then I heard it going through
the trees and took a dog out and put you know,

(01:22:29):
doing his business. No big deal. Next morning, about five thirty,
I'm going to town to Walmart, gets some stuff, and
I'm making my first my turn off my road, the
first corner, and I see movement. It's like, what the fridge? Uh,
I'm looking at across my hood and I see this

(01:22:50):
damn bigfoot there, the tan one like what I just saw.
I just couldn't see his face. I saw in the
back of its head, back, shoulders, arms, and I had this, uh,
like what silhouette is like right after my high beams
hit it. I guess it looked like white frosted tips
on the silhouette.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Like sugar ray, sugar ray baby.

Speaker 7 (01:23:13):
The first one didn't have that on it when I
hit hit them with the beam, you know the strong
flashlight I use, and it didn't look like that. And
it's like, what the ship? So I hit the break
icy road, you know, fishtail blah blah blah, turn around
and go back.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
It's gone.

Speaker 7 (01:23:31):
Well, it's only really one place to go to hide out,
and I figured it out. I know where the hell
of things laying up. I've talked to the land on
the four times, talked to their son once twice to
try to go check it out. And they're protecting it,

(01:23:52):
which is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
So they wait wait wait, wait, so they.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
Know of it, they know where it's camping out, they
know it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
And they've seen it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Now, you you were up at your parents a lot
and you had a lot of issues in now this
is back on your property and not your parents, right.

Speaker 7 (01:24:06):
Yeah, this is on my property because I know we've.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Been doing a lot, and we've been talking a lot
about your parents' property and then all of a sudden boomed,
maybe they fall jass home.

Speaker 7 (01:24:16):
I don't know. It's not that far across the river.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
We've had that happen, you know that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:21):
But maybe five miles across the river. Yeah, I should
have expected it, but I didn't. I wasn't expecting it.
But I kind of figured out where this thing could
have been going as far as laying up, because you
got the river down there and there's really no cover
because they just clear cut a whole bunch of property

(01:24:42):
and there's like no cover there, and it's like, well,
where's it going. And it's like, well, it's either in
my little fishing camp down at the bottom of the hill,
or it's some barn down the road that's not being
used since one of those old bonds. And I started
talking to one of the property owners and yeah, they

(01:25:03):
didn't give it up then, though their son did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
So the sun told you where it was. Yep, let
me let me do one thing, Henry stering to I
don't know where wal Joe went. He's he's just he left.
I think d who yelled at him for his hat
and he went to his living him to curl up
and his couch and cry.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Matt, this is what I want to do. I want
to try something, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
I want you to interview Henry as a skeptic and
ask him the first question that comes to mind, besides
his beautiful trim to bed, like what what do you
what do you have here for Henry? All right, you
just heard what he said, and you I want to
see and you're in You're obviously in this industry, so
you should be able to interview, right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Yeah, I mean off the top of my head. I
just want to ask, like what makes it? What? What is?
Why does this story?

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
Why does it feel different that it could be encrypted
other than wildlife?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Like what's the difference for you?

Speaker 7 (01:26:00):
I killed everything in New Hampshire that can be killed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Hell, oh, I love creating this ship. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
I didn't see that one coming. Good question, good answer. Now,
you're an outdoors man. And when you say when you say,
and I get what Matt's getting at. I think because
the description you give of this this particular was it
a creature or a human human shape, but you saw
the face. There was black around the eyes. I remember
you kind of described that you drew as a picture.

(01:26:39):
And now I have a banter which you be live
crew that we have in our messenger that everybody she
has information. So right when I come out of the woods,
I will send them pictures that nobody else gets to see,
you know what I mean. So they're all we're all
in this together. It's their investigation as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
You know. I used to investigate with somebody and they would.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Go, hey, you gotta give me photo cred? Are they
me at seven in the morning. Hey you didn't give
me photo cred, but you posted that picture that was
my photo. And I'm like, we were in the woods together.
It's kind of like our expedition. That's like the expedition's photo. No,
it really means a lot to me. Could you give
me photo cred?

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Shut up? Cut up with that. No, you don't get
any photo cred? Stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Well that I think that's I think that's it, you know,
whether it's whether it's an investigation or it's this other
media stuff. I think it's good to share, like getting
everybody involved and sharing content and sharing footage.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
How much money you're gonna make off that stupid picture
you got? Really a stupid eyeu. You gotta be popular, really,
you gotta be popular with me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
I like me. I'm good with me. I don't need nobody.
I can sit in the room and entertain my dumb ass.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
It's I can do. I can go away and do
parody videos.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
The rest of that was awesome. Did you hear Henry's answer?

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Wojoojo, I'm reading.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
It now, That's what he said. Asked the question goes,
I basically killed it in New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
So no, so my But my thing is this, you
do give a different description than the coincidential Bigfoot, right,
the Tannis, the tips, the eyes.

Speaker 7 (01:28:18):
Like brown, like brown like a deer's coat.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yeah, that's interesting now to me, that's interesting because I've seen,
like everybody's seen all kinds of things. So my point
is this, you believe it was a juvenile.

Speaker 7 (01:28:33):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
It had a twelve inch track. The other track, which
I didn't follow, was ten inches, but I saw it.
It was like, that's not the one I'm looking for,
and I walking until I found the twelve inch track
right to try, you know, just eyeball it better. I
guess yeah, no, but I I think.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Two we could be dealing. So what I dealt with
in these the prints are different as they're growing. Yea
yeas they're growing.

Speaker 7 (01:29:03):
These are way skinny. They don't get wide at the
front end of it. Yeah, the toes are together, always together.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
They're together.

Speaker 7 (01:29:10):
It twisted its ankle on a tree and you could
see two toes that popped out away from the other toes,
and it's like I saw that. It's like, oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Here's so, here's a theory, if I may. I've done
a lot of research. I have many hours in the woods.
I'm not saying I'm an expert. I'm just there is.
I had one guy, it was the last he said
he had a doctrine in cryptozoology. Think of what I
just said. That's not an oxymorn. I don't know what
is a doctrine and and something that doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Yeah. I've been married in the voice two times.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
I'm on my third and uh yeah, I'm gonna I
got a master's in marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Go home and go to bed. You're stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
So anyway, so I think that this is my theory
with what Henry is explained and described, and now he's
been talking about it for months prior about in his
parents' house, and we've had the eyeshine, the self aluming
eyes in the woods actually, and then Lisa went home
and they were in her woods and she has we
have pictures of this. This is real, We have pictures

(01:30:16):
of it. We know that they're not there no more.
It wasn't an oopsie dew. They came there. So anyway,
so I believe in all that kind of stuff because
we've lived it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Right, Yellow Tan, right, spockey, I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Being way up in the mountains, right, being way up
in the mountains, right, I come at you with my
Eskimo theory. Eskimos live up here, people from Haitia down here.
When you put them together, do they look the same?

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
No? Right? So different humans developed differently based on the sunlight,
based on the heat, based on temperature, based on food resource, right,
based on food intake, liquid intake, whatever could be. So
why not have a different type of body frame when
you're dealing with a sasquat s that's in the mountains right, right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Why not you know with black bears, we see it
with black bears in New England black bears and Florida.
They're there in Florida, they're there, In Arkansas they're there,
and everywhere else. You know those deep, you know, dense habitats,
but they're a little different up here, you know, They're
a little bigger and fatter and a little warmer. Even
the difference between where I am and where Henry is.

(01:31:30):
I'm just outside of Conquer, New Hampshire, which is kind
of south central. If there's a south central, that's where
we're at, right mat south central Newhampton.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
But but where Henry is, it's definitely probably two at
least maybe even three climate zones further north, even though
it's a small area. That's how New England is. You
got coastal which is almost you got Cape Bann and
Cape Cod which is almost subtropical like the Carolinas. But
you go to Mount Washington now you say of Arctic.

(01:32:01):
So we have everything in between and the short.

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
Little two mountains where I live right now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Imagine if I have to get somewhere, I got a
rock climb, right, I'm all, I'm all fitting jack like
rock climbers and bikers and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Right right, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Come down here and you don't have to deal with
that you might not get and I'm a little bit
more you know, like me, you know what I mean,
like you know, so you can see that being very possible.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
And that's the point I was trying to make, is
that you so eloquently described, thank you, Michael, that it was.
You know, why is that not possible? Of course it is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
And that's why Kelly Porter and I think that they're
using the power lines to go from Henry to here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
But but then you'll bring it up a migrational well
we are. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a migrational guy.
I'm amatic guy just right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Well, because of the ease of transport, because you have
these a TV trails, riding trails. We had a guy
posting our group today about all the riding trails non
mechanical riding trail New Hampshire, right and yeah, yeah, and
yeah he's all over that cool stuff he's up from

(01:33:10):
and but yeah, these are the working theories we have
because we're having more sightings down at a tuckaway like
was mentioned earlier. Harrington Bearbrook, Bearbrooks I think is a
little quiet Barbrook's quiet right now. Mike famelon Shadow of
the Big Red Eye, came down here last year. He
was camping out. We met him in Danville. We met
up with him in a few places over the last year.

(01:33:32):
But really cool guy, really fun to talk to. But
he seemed to think that Barbrook was a little quiet,
which for a while that was kind of a hot
spot where were getting a lot of reports from Deerfield area.
And it seems like that kind of moving that kind
of northeast a little a little further to the coast,
not far me you know, I'm talking about maybe a
twenty five mile radius when it's said and done. But

(01:33:54):
we have these parks and these forest lands that are
all connected, and that Barrington Nottingham area also connects with Ossipee,
which is kind of also has its own area known
as the ossipe Triangle, kind of a spin off the
Bridgewater Triangle, the Bermuda Triangle, and then it opens up

(01:34:15):
all the White Mountains and then from there they can get.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Over the Henry. Right we stood, we stood in Woljo
and I stood in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
North central Massachusetts with the Berks, which we haven't heard
from it in like a year.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
I don't know what happened. They just fell out the
face of the earth. We hope you're well. Pray for you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
We did some good investigating out there. We found hots
out there. But you could go through the power lines
and I could look up what was that mountain? Do
you remember the mountain range we were looking at. Yeah,
we were looking right at it, so so and we
were in Massachusetts, so we could see straight through. So
absolutely one of of percent that that happens. I just
don't think they go somewhere and live somewhere else. I

(01:34:54):
think they're comfortable in their areas like humans are.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Excuse me to further your point. When you walk up
and down these power lines as we did, if you
look to the right and left, you will find structures
that will lead you in the right place. I promise
you go do it. Come back call me Elayah. I
promise you go down those power lines and if you
start seeing oddities in the trees, you go behind them

(01:35:20):
and keep walking.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
You're gonna find more. I promise you that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
We talked to Derek Gunn about this when we were
down there, and rain them with you guys down at
the mass cryptid fat and it just keeps popping up
these you know, it's not only here, but it's it's
other places. And these are these are game trails anyway,
These are places that big game. And we here are
southern New Hampshire. We have a lot more sightings of moose,

(01:35:45):
black bear and Bobcat over the last couple of years.
You know, for a while their extinct because it was
like suburbia and it was polluted. And the last twenty
thirty years it's kind of had this regrowth, kind of
fill back in a lot of clearcut land, I mean,
price from from from conquered Merrimack Valley. It was, you know,
the home of the Industrial Revolution the United States back

(01:36:07):
in the eighteen hundreds, you know, And and now it's
all cleaned up. And that's from Conquered to Lowell to
newbury Port, you know what I mean. So those areas
east kind of this pocket where we are is between
the Merrimack Valley and the coastal areas. And it's a lot,
like I said, a lot of woodlands, a lot of
state state parks, a lot of conservation land, and it's

(01:36:28):
perfect habitat now, Richie, and I think with the it's
my theory. It's just and I'm kind of thinking it
saying it as you know right now. But Bridgewater Triangle,
it's got a nice climate. It's comfy, and that's why
I think up here in northern New England they might
migrate a little more. And this is where I want
to get into the guys of Maine.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
You know, so they think I mean migration, migration is
land mass. Right, if you have room to migrate, I
guess you could migrate, right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
I don't have the room less in the food sources
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
It's it's plausable. I should phrase that and say mine
are nomadic. I know it's the same people. What do
you think, Henry.

Speaker 7 (01:37:06):
I think they use an area until the resource runs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Out, like it runs out of resource.

Speaker 7 (01:37:13):
Skunk cabbage. Whatever they run out of, they've got to
move on to another area to get it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
I got a lot of skunk cabbage. I showed you that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:20):
They'll complete. Then they'll move to another area. It doesn't
have to be that far away, but they'll move. Yeah,
use those resources for whatever it is a year or
two years, Yeah, move on to another one. That's what
I skunk cabbage.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Yeah, I can't agree with that to a point.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
I skunk cabbage, and but we're in a five to
ten mile radius and we have an activity. And you
know that you've been on the lives Henry, and in
my backyard, skunk cabbage has a pot. To my story,
I actually have a patch of skunk pat cabbage about
the size of my foundation of my house, so to speak. Say, right,
Wojo's been there, and I remember going out there and
they were like growing up like dinosaurs and stuff, you know,

(01:37:58):
the big flaps, you know, and I'll like, wow, that's
big skunk cabbage. And then I come out. It was
like maybe a month later it was gone, and I'm
going what happened? And it wasn't chewed, there was no
choe box. This stuff was taken away. And then I
would come back. And so at my house, I started

(01:38:18):
noticing the patent. I own this, and so too. So
I started noticing the patent of the skunk cabbage coming
back and growing two sometimes three times a year. Okay,
it's always supposed to. You know, you're you're in the
botany and all that stuff. It blooms, it sits there
and it dies. Yep, it's almost to be taken out
and come back, and it did, and that's what happened.

(01:38:39):
It caught my attention. Quick question, Uh eight hundred wants
to know, which I believe is Kelly Porter's brother. Yep,
wants to know Mike. You guys still doing the fundraiser
in the fall and Eppen Kelly tried to organize it
last year but had.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
To cancel event. Let's have a note. Let's tell her
right now, Michael, you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Know we have nothing planned out well no, I mean,
I mean we want to. We have a huge vision
and a huge idea and it like on paper, it's amazing, right.
We got an awesome space, the coolest piece of land
and a lot of things lined up. Whether it was
but it was. It's kind of it's new to us, right,

(01:39:21):
So we're not as far along and established as you know,
the way the Vogels are, for instance, they're locked into
the community. They've been you know, they they've been working
on us for a while. So Kelly and I we
need charming, So there is an event, right, Charming fair.
So that's kind of works. But for for Kelly and I,

(01:39:41):
we haven't talked about planning one for this season, but
we will get will we want to we want to
have like a big, huge festival, not like yeah something huge,
something that actually you know it really does does a
lot of shit. But we'll get there. We'll get awesome.
Right yet not of right now, we don't have anything planned.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
That's all right, great question, probably great question.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
So wait real quick before anybody goes anywhere, I am
gonna run the trail or again for a man nap
among us. So if you missed it or you just
want to see it again, because it's work at awesome
and it has a really fast blip of me, it
me and it very important, very very important. Stick around,
O Joe, What were you gonna say? Just to add
to it?

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
Years of discussing earlier, where I've hunted up in New
Hampshire for many many years, Okay, it did different, you know, landscapes,
But I will add to this. The areas that we've
been at is plenty of deer. Okay, now, dear excuse me.
The bigfoots their omni was either the eat skunk, cabbage bark.

(01:40:44):
There's plenty of berries, and then you have deer and
other small animals what have you. One thing I've noticed
is that where we find these bones and what have you.
We're still seeing a ton of more deer. I mean,
I got a game trail that. What I'm saying is
there's no depletion of deer. Deer just moves around a squab,
you know, square miles as they do. So my theory

(01:41:08):
is like, you know, if you want to have meat,
per se that you know you're not seeing much around
this area. We're going to go from this area, We're
to go a few miles away. You know, they have
certain areas where they hang out and you know, like
the skun cabbage it's seasonal, they'll have plenty of that.

(01:41:29):
I just think that they're not more migrational.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
I think they just you know, they're nomadic and.

Speaker 5 (01:41:35):
They and they have their set areas because there's plenty
of water where they are. Okay, there is fish in
the area where they are. There's pretty put back. There's
no depletion of deer. That's all by my biggest point,
because I don't know we have.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
A major food source here.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
And one last thing is that where their structures are
nearby where our hats, where they you know, there was
a maybe like a deer killed there because we found bones.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
They're still coming through. The deer is still coming through, so.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
And now if if you're talking about New Hampshire, which
is more you know a lot of forestry up there.
But again, I don't think that they're going to walk
the power lines. By theory, watch the power lines to
go to a completely different area because they have a
big square area where they just bounce around. So that's
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
I think I'm open to everything. I think it's all possible.
I think they could have a vacation home for christ sakes.
Maybe they're like, let's go up the main and visit
the Joneses. We have no idea what type of culture
this is. We know that just follow the trees. I'm
telling you, follow the trees. You could think I'm a
freaking loan all you want. I'm not here to convince you.
Put on your boots, go all the woods and follow

(01:42:48):
the trees and tell me what the magic WHIRLI winds
did and draw your own conclusions as we did. They
use the trees for hunting. They used the trees to
change game trails. They use the trees to stop the
deer and the tracks to slow them down, to snap
their legs and suck the marrow.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Out of them, because that's what I have in front
of me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Man, follow the trees, dude, I'm not kidding, I'm not
I'm not out there going old trees. I'm telling you.
We've researched this. We have somebody in the University of
Georgia who does trees. That's he's the guy. We call
him and send him pictures. He he's dumbfounded and so
we're not just seeing him making this ship up. We
reach out to experts, people that have degrees in certain

(01:43:31):
areas that can help us in this this research. Right,
So anyways, enough about how awesome I am.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Well, actually, you know, building those network and sharing resources,
sharing stories, sharing all that stuff. I think that's what
we need to hear in New England if we want
to kind of show a presence.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
And there's Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
I saw Kelly. Yeah, sorry, I mean to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Did he call me a tree?

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
That's rude, man, Jelly, just kidd sorry, Jelly Porter Baby.
We love you, bro, We love you you that everybody.
The moment you have been waiting for is next Saturday night,
six pm. He's in time US standard time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Okay, yes, you gotta get we gotta Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Porter will be here on the fifteenth, a week from tonight. Okay,
he's gonna be a next Saturday. So make sure that
moment you've been waiting for. We missed out on it twice.
This is third time as a charm. Damn it, Kelly Porter,
you're coming off my show. Roddy instructed Tinsley to take
you hostage.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
I'll bring you to this.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
We need this studio setup. You're coming to this studio setup.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
And no.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Location. I don't know. I well, you haven't been able
to see it yet, but he's got his I saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
I sorry, and also I got was.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Yeah, he had his hair jel on he had he
had a whole number five excuse me, number like nine
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
He had his handsome, all slick back here, all looking
good for Roll Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Richie b and then all of a sudden he comes on.
He's like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
And I'm like, what's going on with his He told
he said, hish his knob on his.

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
Whoa having on the of that beer? He said?

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Everywhere is this is this common Crid Festival hill. Has
anybody see Jelly Porter's knob lately? I'm just missing what's
going on on my show.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
And then I turned it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Jim just just did Kelly portas not has been seen
run another street and man asshole has to go to
go get it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
I don't want to be anywhere. Y wait wait wait
wait wait wait Hi, hi mom oh, Hender, are you
still here?

Speaker 7 (01:46:19):
And I got something to add maybe it might help.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
All right, Then I'm gonna run the trailer, go ahead,
and I'm gonna let you talk.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
I'm gonna run the trail. I'm gonna kick your ass out,
go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:46:31):
That's fine. I hunt apple orcheres, acorns on the ground,
where there's bunches of oaks, uh, you name it, where
the food sources are, You're gonna find animals, deer, bear, moose.
And now these things, uh, they're using the choke points.

(01:46:55):
I think if others go in the woods, you need
to focus on the food drops. You know, the food
is and the choke points because they had to use
the choke points too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
That's we well, we we believe we found choke points
made by hand. Yes, So I want you to look
when you go out in the woods. I'm gonna give
you one hint and then I'm gonna shut up. We
were finding trees up off the ground about two feet.
They were running parallel, balanced on little sticks and stumps.
It was crazy, and it was about this high up
like a rail, and it came to a point like

(01:47:26):
an arrow, and they were all over those woods that
I talked about. We stood at with the burks and
along those along those little blogs trees that were down
broken placed was dan scat and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
I kept going to wards.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
You look, look a look at all the descap bro
think that I think they're making them come this way.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
I think they're walking them to this point so they
could kill them. And then I would look.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
For like an ambush tree or something they could go
behind at night. It was right there, right next to
the power lines. This is what I'm telling you. Please
trust me, Please trust me on this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
That's all I'm gonna give you. You.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
You got to figure this out on your own. Go
out there and walk around. Structures suck. They're hard to prove.
They had to take pictures of They're very difficult to
bring back to the community and people take you seriously
one hundre percent. You're gonna deal with bullshit. But if you,
if enough of us go and see it on our
own we can saturate the community with what I'm seeing

(01:48:19):
and what Wojo's seeing and what Henry and people that
have been out there seeing. Go out in the woods
and bring it back. We need you, so please go
do that. So thank you Henry for adding that I'm
gonna play this trailer. Oh wait, let me kick your
ass out first, all right? Love you, Henry, go buy away,
say you freak.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
That's hard to study.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Why are these man get Henry?

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
For decades we've heard legends of big Harry creatures looking
by it. Are they half man or half ape?

Speaker 9 (01:48:53):
We have other things in a fossil record similar to
man and other types of apes, and this seems to
be somewhere between that's human and human.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
The ancient natives in the Northwest Pacific called them Susquin's.
Chinese call them yall ran? Could these beast bey relicommonids?
Have our prehistoric cousins returned from our past to live
amongst us?

Speaker 10 (01:49:13):
One day when we find that sasquatch, you know, maybe
we'll just have them laid out in a fro hood.

Speaker 8 (01:49:30):
I think there's a host of paranormal entities or crypto
zoological mysteries out there.

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
I have heard but not seen.

Speaker 8 (01:49:40):
It wouldn't surprise me if there's all sorts of different
creatures out there that haven't been identified yet.

Speaker 11 (01:49:46):
Nice try, I'm gonna kick your ass. I'm telling you,
where's the body?

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Where's body? Here's this creature standing there seven and a
half eighth or tall, four hundred pounds maybe more Syrian.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
I'm Mike Tinseley. Follow me as we talk with the
experts and go down the rabbit hole of the world
of cryptos wala, and I'll take you with me as
I go through thicking thing findingly TMS following the tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
All right, there is pants right right out. Oh oh.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
The people behind him that just didn't even remove it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
I love it, So listen, that is what's that? Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
So I was gonna a couple of things kind of
behind the scenes. If you notice who's back there for judges,
It was one of the organizers who we talked to,
but also Alex Pettakov and his his buddy Ethan Pike
was back there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Yeah. So you know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
It's so funny, like I didn't know who the hell
he was until we went well, we met him and
and we we went back to the footage and he's
like everywhere, you know, I ran across him so many
times until we finally met in Portland.

Speaker 7 (01:51:10):
That was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Another thing was is that I just met Adam that day, right,
so we're kind of getting to know each other. And
he dared meet a Curtsey at the end of it,
and I said, all right, challenge acceptance.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
So Curtsey, listen, listen, you challenge Mike. He's playing so
ready for that. No pants you want to We are
like minded, bros. Easy, easy, I won't family family, family show.
No more knobs, okay, bro, so hey stick around. Check
this out. What we do is we're about to do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
The wheel weird Do you ever know what the will weirdness?

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
No, I'm new to this, so I'm excited to teach me,
show me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
So what we like to do is put a topic up.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
We didn't have much of the topic in there tonight
because I think we got enthralled with what we were
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
And that's all right. Though. We take a topic, we
spin it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
On the wheel, we put it into the audience and
they get to have their own topic during the show,
and then we can reiterate and discuss it as well.
They can research it Wikipedia. It put down links whatever
they want and some take off better than others. This one,
like I said, I think we were just interested to
watch the trailer. Dehoot was yelling at everybody, so you
know how that goes, You know what I mean. So
we're gonna spin the whale. We're gonna ask everybody to

(01:52:21):
take one topic. I'm not gonna take a lot because
I don't want to overcrowd the wheel.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
What is that thing that they do with the pictures?
What's that called pana? What's that called? Will you imagine
you're seeing something that isn't right? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Parados?

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Can someonell on for me? Paradonia, Paradonia something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
All right? Yeah, so listen, I'm gonna share this screen.
We have a little fun.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
We got like eight minutes left, and I gotta go
get some Kino so I can play some Fortnite tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
I'm a child and I'm not afraid to admit it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
So right now we have let's see, we have haunted items, Scorpion, King,
lizard man lost calling you rono e t that temple
that Ron put on that Ron's don't even here tonight.
I already reject that conversation. We have horse Grassman in
Jersey Devils.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I'm all right. Friend from our friends from down south.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
She was talking about horror films horror, and we're like,
we're like, horror horror.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Yeah, they don't say it all the way we say
horror horror, and she's only going horror. We're like, what,
I couldn't believe.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
We posted a labor in the same time, Like what
did you just say?

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
We absolutely fro So let's get some topics in and
then we're gonna do We'll do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
The Wheel weird one for you. LSD. Really, LSD, what
do you got?

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
I got the Philadelphia Experiment Really Paradol?

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
I was close right, Yeah, he means faces and leaves.
That's one thing I love to discuss because I see
a lot of that. Unfortunately, Megan Tinseley.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Says, hey, guys, what's up on it? Why she's so late?

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
It's working, Its working, hopefully. She put the bottom the
the podcast on the uh V over where she works
over T Bones there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Oh, you could have held us up in T Bones. Yeah.
I know there's probably kids over there were like, no,
you know what I mean, I don't take.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Them out. If anybody wanted to change the channel. She
would have laid them out for us when.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
She look n Ronda, Hello, only a few, don't crowd
the wheel.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
I like that. I like that. Yeah, I've never met Ronda.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Ronda Roger's been one of those those quiet watches that
come but comes out because one thing irked her.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
She's like, don't overcrow the wheel.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
But thank thank you very much for being here. I
appreciate you. Okay, my life, I love it. All right,
let's go. I'm gonna go para parah dolly thingy, paradolia

(01:55:13):
trees leaves.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
All right, there we go. How's that working good?

Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Give me one?

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Give me what Ronda? Do you have a topic I
can put on fore you and then we'll end it
right there. Ronda, you give us a topic and it's over.
Go ahead, dude, come on, Ronda, we're waiting for you.
First time, I was laughing. You named like twenty topics.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
I know, Ronda, it was I had a no they
would name in it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
And I was trying to keep it under control. I've
never even met Rhonda Roger. Thank you for being here
and coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
From under the rug, so to speak. Right, let's see,
let's do this.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
Uh, we're gonna wait for Ronda to give us a
topic of the show's not gonna end.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
We got four minutes. Russia.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
Tell us where you're from to Ronda.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
That'll be great. Crazy with the weird? Is it Rnonda?
What you got? Rnda? What's Rnda? God? I can't see
the topics.

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
We need to switch to the whole room goes to.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
Like Liz people, lizard people.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Oh, she it's yosh, No, it's not my show. Yeah,
it's Lorenda's show. Let's see Liz.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
We already got lizard Man up there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
Yeah, you're correct, already there already there reincarnation lizard people
in Michigan. Wait wait, wait, oh she's from Michigan. I
thought there was lizard people in Michigan. You never know, Rich, Well,
I got lizard Man. Why don't we just take lizard
Man off and change it to people for Ronda?

Speaker 4 (01:56:54):
Yes, that was my thick.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Yeah, as the first time I'm coming out of well,
we'll just say from under the rug. We won't make
any closet references today, all right, So how's that? Is that?
Good for you? Rhonda?

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
Everybody welcome Randa to the show here with Rhonda. Thank
you very thank you from Michigan. Thank you reincarnation shallatte.
I will put that on next.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Week because we don't want to overcome the wis da off.
She's very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
Just stop talking, everybody, all right, Time to spin the
while you ready, let's go wait that will let.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
Me do the music as we spin.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
Big dog crazy, great voice over right?

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
Love it?

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Is that grass Man? I like grass Man?

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
Next week topic is grass Man, and you better bring
it better than you did this week because I'm a
little disappointed in you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
Sound like it is.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
I don't care if you deal deal with it and.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
People yelled at me.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
Richie yelled at me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
Richie yelled at me. I know, I don't mean to
yell at my guests. I'm sorry, but we could have
done a little better on the topic this week. You
have to honestly admit that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Okay, awesome, awesome, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
So next week's topic is grass Man, and the cool
part is Kelly Porter is here. Kelly Kelly Porter, Grassman.
They're like they've never seen together in the same place.
You ever noticed that I have?

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
He's elusive, his big foot he can.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
Be dude, I'm telling you, man it's been tough getting
him here. Listen, you guys have been amazing and thank you.
I want to thank you for being here. Matt, you
were way better than Mike and I love that bitch
that you work. And I gotta tell you that hat
you get on, Mike, Matt, Matt, Mike, it's amazing, Joe,

(01:58:57):
what do you think of Matt da Oh yeah, yeah,
that's not talking everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
Thank you for being here tonight. We're gonna we're gonna
get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
But you're gonna follow me on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. I'm
gonna leave Mike and Chaos standa right here to take
us out. I don't really even do that no more. Man,
you know what I'm saying. Thank you all for being
here tonight. Please join us next week with Kelly Porter.
Topic is Grassman Absolutely epic show tonight. Thank you so
much to Chaos, Dana, Mike Tinsley, mindous and all unbelievable work.

(01:59:32):
Beautiful trailer. Cannot wait to see the movie. Watch us
man ape among us people, all of them. If you fall,
that will wear them. Find the movie and you know
when the movie is gonna hit. We have a date
for its kickoff.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
Uh, next Saturday, Next Saturday, punch time.

Speaker 5 (01:59:49):
So that's say goodbye to your mom my mom, I
think she left, she's still on here.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
She probably left around.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
So next Saturday night, not only do we have Kelly Porter,
we have the topic of Grassman, but the epic epic
event is gonna be airing what after my show.

Speaker 3 (02:00:11):
I'm not sure when we're gonna what time we're gonna
release it, but we gotta yeah, yeah, we gotta mix it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
If you want, you can pick hey, if you want, well, piggyback,
and then you can run right into your documentary.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
Well once again.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
You know, Kelly's gonna be a feature in it as well,
and we'll stay stay tuned for Manapa Mangas.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
Jump over to the YouTube channel now, which is ready
to kick off, and we'll help you kick off that exclusive.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
Oh hell, let me do that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
I would love that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
You guys still do your own stuff, but I'm gonna
help you and do that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:40):
No, that's awesome. That gives us some time to well, yeah,
and the next time we come on rich because we
want to come on again, we want to do more stuff.
Because what we're gonna do real quick is not only
we're gonna release this, but we're gonna have subsequent episodes
based on all these little pockets because there's so much
stuff that we have. We can't put it into an
hour and a half document and we're not sure if

(02:01:01):
we're gonna nail it the first time. This is our
first movie.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
Yeah, you guys, it's gonna be awesome, and you're gonna
come down and hang out with us in our Triangle
area and do another part of this documentary. You're gonna
do a little a sub series. So absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Yeah, how was that mad? Sub series? Did I do good? Yeah?
I do good?

Speaker 4 (02:01:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
And I love this song? Next week?

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
I love this song next week for Kelly Porter Peanut
Butter Della time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
Let's go next Saturday night, six pm, me some time.
Uh what am I gonna say? Us? Standard type?

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Please come join us our special, very special guest, third
times a job. Kelly Porter will be here, the New
Hampshire Legend. Let's go, baby super psyched.

Speaker 7 (02:01:41):
Look.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
I love you, baby, Jack, I love you, Mama. Thank
you for the passion. You guys were awesome tonight. Thank
you for being on my show. It's a great honor.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
Walot Us, wal Joe, get us out of here.

Speaker 5 (02:01:51):
Now, all right, hey keep climbing, all buy the merch,
and hey we are home of the Bowl.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
Give me a boom. Everybody pounds all the way out.
I don't know what he goes to sleep. Give a boom, Mat,
We bring them. I want to see a boom, Matt.
You don't think

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