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August 13, 2025 60 mins

In this heartfelt and inspiring episode of The BASIC Show, international model and rising actor Chase Mattson joins host Viktorija Pashuta to share his journey from being scouted at Hollister to building a thriving career in fashion and entertainment — all while raising four kids and putting family first.

From the runway to the cockpit, Chase opens up about the truth of life as a male model, his transition into acting, the dream of becoming a pilot, and the importance of trust, boundaries, and balance in the spotlight. He reveals how he navigates uncomfortable casting moments, keeps his marriage strong, and protects his children’s privacy in the age of social media.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • How Chase was discovered at 17 and built his modeling career
  • The “bro split” workout routine that transformed his physique
  • His journey toward earning a pilot’s license and the challenges along the way
  • Acting vs. modeling — and the roles that excite him most
  • Why confidence is the secret weapon for creatives
  • Parenting lessons from raising three daughters and a baby boy
  • Setting boundaries in modeling to protect your image and integrity
  • Balancing public life, social media, and family privacy

Whether you’re in fashion, film, or pursuing your own creative dream, this episode is a masterclass in humility, resilience, and choosing what matters most.

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
I will always and utmost be a father first.
If anything else comes incontact or in the way of that, I
won't do it.

SPEAKER_01 (00:07):
If your wife was offered 100 million to do a full
intimacy scene, would you beokay with that?

SPEAKER_00 (00:13):
I just think it happens a lot more to men than
people realize.
Just guys are just more afraidto speak out.
It's not supposed to behappening.
I know a few fans who've gonethrough some things.
I have a word in my head that Iplay over and over and over.
Personal thing to me, and it'llget me to where I need to go.
My wife and I were talkingbecause she wants to get a

(00:34):
Porsche or a Ferrari.
I'm like, why

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
don't you

SPEAKER_00 (00:36):
save it by a plane?
It's cheaper.
Until you see that they breakthat trust, then...
What are you worrying about?
They have to say they're a toughgirl until they start smiling in
the face.
I'm like, I can't hear you.
So they can say it over and overand over until it's funny.
And they say I'm a tough girland then they're fine.
They run away.

SPEAKER_01 (00:56):
They say luxury is a lifestyle.
I say it's a mindset.
And this one comes with roomservice.
Here at The Mayborn, whereEuropean charm meets California
flair, I don't just check in, Ireset.
Because real power isn't loud.
It's knowing when to ghost thenoise and draft something far

(01:19):
more lasting behind the scenes.
The Mayborn.
Beverly Hills.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25):
Welcome,

SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
Chase, to The Basic Show.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
I'm happy to have you.
Finally.
I know.
You're so busy, so famous, youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50):
I'm not famous.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51):
Yes, you are.
Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
Just a guy.
Just a guy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Just a guy.
Very humble, though.
So, speaking of that, humble andfamous, ChatGPT told me that you
were scouted at 17 in Hollister.
Am I right?

SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
ChatGPT?

SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
I asked

SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
my friend, Chat, about Chase.

SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
Yes, I was 17.
17.
And I had just gotten off myship to Hollister and I was
walking through the mall and Iwent to Starbucks and my old
manager at the time came up tome and was like, hey, you ever
been interested in modeling?

SPEAKER_02 (02:26):
No,

SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
not really.
I didn't even know what thatwas, really.
And then...

SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Signed you on the spot.

SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
No, a year later, he gave me his card.
And then a year later, I wascleaning out my wallet because I
got a new wallet for mybirthday.
And then I was like, I'll giveit a shot and see what happens.
And then...

SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
The

SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
rest is kind of history, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
And then the next day you were a soup star.

SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
No, it took about, it took a minute.

SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
So tell me about that journey.
What was the most challengingpart?

SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
Getting in shape.

SPEAKER_01 (02:52):
Getting, really?

SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
I think it's easy for guys.
You just like don't eat for aweek.

SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
No, no, you know, you have to, but it was just, I
had, I didn't know my way arounda gym or anything really.
So I had to really get in shapeand get skinny.

SPEAKER_01 (03:08):
I bet it was easy for you.
No, still.

SPEAKER_00 (03:10):
No, it took me like a year.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So I didn't really get into itfully for like another year.
And then I didn't get paid foranother year after that.
So I did everything.
It was like trade and justtrying to get into shape.
And I had like a round face.
I didn't have like a jawline atall.

SPEAKER_01 (03:25):
Wait, how do you get a jawline?
There's a secret to get ajawline?
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
Yeah.
It's working out.
Diet.

SPEAKER_01 (03:33):
What's like the first three moves you used?

SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
Moves?
Yeah, in the gym.

SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
Like first, like what is the first, the most
essential three workout routinesor exercises that any guy can
do, you know, starting tomorrowand get in better shape?

SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
Just follow the bro split.
So it's...

SPEAKER_01 (03:52):
What is it?

SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
It's called the bro split.

SPEAKER_01 (03:54):
Bro split?

SPEAKER_00 (03:54):
Yeah.
What is a bro split?
Each day you just work out adifferent muscle group.
So chest and then the next dayyou have legs and then next day
you have back and shoulders.

SPEAKER_01 (04:02):
Can I do the bro split?

SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
You can,

SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
It's for anybody.

SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
Should be like a gal split?

SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Girl, you'd get jacked.
The gal split?

SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
The gal split.
I like that, yeah.
I've never

SPEAKER_00 (04:12):
heard about that.
Okay.
Anybody can do it.

SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
Okay, okay.
So you became a model and thatbecame your career.
So if you never, let's say, hadthat meeting, what would you do
if you didn't become a model?

SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
My passion has always been flying airplanes.

SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Yeah.
Actually, I have my permit tofly right now.
So I've always wanted to be anairline pilot.

SPEAKER_01 (04:38):
Wow.
What kind of...
Do you need a specific license?

SPEAKER_00 (04:41):
You need to log 1,500 hours to be even
considered to fly for anairline.
And that's very expensive.
Very expensive.
And it's a lot of time to learnhow to fly a plane.
I thought it was a lot easierthan it was.
And then the ground school is...
is difficult because there's somany components that you have to

(05:02):
learn.
And I feel like we don't getpilots enough recognition that
they deserve, especially flyingus across country and across the
world.
It's crazy.
It's actually mind-blowingbecause you have to learn about
the curvature of the earth andeverything when you're flying.
Wild.

SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
So how long does it take?
It depends on how much time youput into the hours.

SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
Yeah, it depends on how many hours you put in.
If you went every day, you canget your license in six months.

SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
So you do have a license.

SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
I have a permit.

SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Permit.
So you need to just get...

SPEAKER_00 (05:30):
My permit took me a year just because of

SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
having

SPEAKER_00 (05:33):
four kids, being a model, actor, and just life is
busy.
So it took me a year to getmine.
But I would go like once ortwice a week.

SPEAKER_01 (05:41):
I mean, I could never think, I could never
imagine you as a pilot.

SPEAKER_00 (05:44):
Oh, it's so fun.
Anybody can do it.

SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so the day I actually got tolike fly it myself with my
instructor, loved it.
I was like, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (05:55):
I'll be so scared.
I think the takeoff and thelanding.

SPEAKER_00 (05:58):
No, the landing is what I'm scared.
He's like, let's just fly

SPEAKER_01 (06:01):
in the air.
He's like, you want to land?
I'm like, no,

SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
you can take over.
Let's

SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
just keep flying.

SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Especially when you're landing.
Because I take off at JongwonAirport.
So if there's a commercialairline that comes in, you have
to fly higher than it and landfurther because of the wake
turbulence that comes through.
It'll take that plane off.
And I've

SPEAKER_01 (06:18):
heard that's a difficult airport too.

SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
Yeah, it's very short.
It's very short.
Very short, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
Wow.
So, so far you obviously landedsuccessfully.
He

SPEAKER_00 (06:26):
landed

SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
it.
He landed.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (06:28):
I can take off, but I haven't landed yet.

SPEAKER_01 (06:30):
Oh, I see.
I see.
So you were next to theinstructor taking off.

SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
Well, it's two wheels.
It's like a, it's like when youlearn how to drive a car.
It's two wheels.

SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
Oh, I

SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
see.
Yeah.
So like I have a, I have a yokeand then he has a yoke.

SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:41):
And it's different.
Like steering isn't like a car.
You steer with the pedals.
What?
With the pedals?
So when you're taking off, youuse your feet.
Wow, I didn't know that.
The yoke doesn't do anything.

SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
Okay, so just for the show.
And the legs do all the work.

SPEAKER_00 (06:55):
Yeah, it goes up and down.
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Is it something that you put the plane on the
autopilot once you're in theair?

SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
You say what?

SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
You have the plane in the autopilot once you're in
the air?

SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
Oh, there's no autopilot on the plane I'm
flying now.

SPEAKER_01 (07:09):
There's no what?

SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
It's a single engine plane.
So it's like,

SPEAKER_01 (07:11):
no,

SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
there's no autopilot.
Is it called

SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
manual?
Manual automatic?

SPEAKER_00 (07:15):
No, there's no autopilot out there.

SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Okay,

SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
so yeah.
Maybe in the commercial planes,for sure.
Okay.
If they're flying fromCalifornia to New York or across
the world, I'm sure they have

SPEAKER_01 (07:23):
an

SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
autopilot.
But on those little planes I'mflying, it's all manual.

SPEAKER_01 (07:28):
All manual.
That's it.
You live or you die.

SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
I even have to like pre-start the engine and then
crank it and roll it.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
No, I would

SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
have a heart attack.
I'm like, no, thanks.

SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
It's cool.
Like I have my window down.
I'm just like clearing and thepropellers are spinning right
here.
Open

SPEAKER_01 (07:41):
up the huge map.
Yeah.
I'm like clear.
And I'm going for the landing.

SPEAKER_00 (07:46):
No, it's really cool.
It's a

SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
lot of fun.
Well, so you say if you have achance, you would actually
pursue it?

SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Yeah, that would be my backup plan.
Your backup plan,

SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
okay.

SPEAKER_00 (07:58):
If like acting doesn't...

SPEAKER_01 (07:59):
Once your beauty fades, you know.
It'll never happen, I'm joking.
Beauty's not fading.
Yeah, you're going to age likenice, what is it, expensive?

SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
It would be cool to be like, just have it.
You know how Tom Cruise has like26 licenses across the board for
everything you can fly?
It'd be cool to like have...
one and then like hey you guyswant to fly to san francisco
this weekend with the family andjust take the plane and fly the

SPEAKER_01 (08:21):
world comes into an end you're like hey guys

SPEAKER_00 (08:23):
yeah i was talking about my wife and i were talking
because she wants to get like aporsche or a ferrari i'm like
why don't you say we could buy aplane it's cheaper

SPEAKER_01 (08:32):
yeah no traffic

SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
35 grand for a plane

SPEAKER_01 (08:35):
yeah i mean nothing come on 25 yeah yeah Just, you
know, from

SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
one city to another.
It's just expensive to park theplane at the airport.
That's where it gets

SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
expensive.
I see.
Well, one day once you get it,don't forget your friend.
You need to fly to

SPEAKER_00 (08:49):
Vegas.
Long line of lists of people whowant to hop in the plane and
fly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, so now you mentioned alittle bit that you're doing
acting, transitioning frommodels.
You're not doing modelinganymore?
You're doing more of an

SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
actor?
No, I'm always doing modeling.
That's always there.
Like, Brian wants to book me andalways available.
But the main...
my course of action is acting

SPEAKER_01 (09:08):
right

SPEAKER_00 (09:09):
now.
I've been in classes for threeyears.
Oh, you

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
need to take classes?
I thought you just have to befabulous.

SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
No, if you want to be great, you should take
classes.
I mean, there's people who don'thave to take classes at all and
who are amazing, but I'm one ofthe people who need classes
because I don't reallyunderstand the craft.
Well, I do now, but I get whatneeds to go into it, but before
I didn't really.

SPEAKER_02 (09:29):
And

SPEAKER_00 (09:29):
it's all about just, honestly, I've seen all these
podcasts, I've read all thesebooks and everything.
It comes down to justconfidence.
and

SPEAKER_01 (09:37):
really

SPEAKER_00 (09:37):
yeah it's honestly that's it

SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
i thought it all comes to if i say on count three
start crying

SPEAKER_00 (09:44):
some people can it takes me like a couple minutes
but i can really yeah it'll takeme a couple minutes i have to
like kind of

SPEAKER_01 (09:51):
can we try

SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
sit here and like think about something and kind
of play a i have a word in myhead that i play over and over
and over

SPEAKER_02 (09:58):
which is

SPEAKER_00 (09:59):
i don't want to say it it's like a personal thing to
me and it'll it'll get me towhere i need to go it's just one
word one word but just said indifferent types of ways.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
interesting.
Can you give us, is it a noun,an adjective?
A name?
A name.
Okay, I see.
It's a name.
Is it something that youlearned, the technique, or it's
more of your personal way?

SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
Everybody's different.
I've just seen people just sayyou have to just go to a certain
place if you need to go there.
Some people go really dark.
I've gone really dark before andI didn't like where I ended up.
So then I tried to find thebalance.
And so I just picked a word thatmeant a lot to me.
I'm like, what gets me likesuper emotional?

(10:50):
And then I've kind of found themore this word was said, I was
like, okay, this, this moves mea lot.
So I just use that as a way toget me to.
turn on the

SPEAKER_01 (11:01):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
the tears

SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
that's kind of freaky you know i was i was i
don't know i was always thinkingactors a little bit psychopath
here because i have to kind ofemotionally go through that pain
uh all over over again can youdo they teach you how to
separate your character fromyour

SPEAKER_00 (11:20):
yeah you gotta think your character stocks i don't
think Your thoughts.
I can't think Chase's thoughts.
I got to think my character's

SPEAKER_01 (11:26):
thoughts.
Oh, your character's

SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, because I think if youdon't do it right, you might
just

SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
end up...
Yeah, as soon as...
If I have a scene or a script, Ihave the dialogue on there, and
it's just full of notes.
Every line, every word,everything is just broken down.
I had to figure out who I am andwho everybody else is in that
scene and in the script.
It's a lot of work.
I didn't know how much went intoit before, and I was like, oh,
whatever.

(11:50):
Acting is easy.

UNKNOWN (11:52):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (11:52):
And when you sit down and actually work with the
scripts, it's just, it's crazy.
It's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
Did you, um, did you have to practice in a sense to,
like, how did you learn that?
Did you, did you have a mentoror classes, just two classes?
Yeah.
They teach you all

SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
the things.
Yeah.
I went to a Playhouse West.

SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
Um, off Lincolnshire for two years.
And then now I'm at a LeslieKahn studio and then they're,
Playhouse West is all aboutMeisner technique.
Okay.
And then Leslie Kahn is allabout thinking your character's
thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 (12:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (12:21):
And like doing what's on the script.

SPEAKER_02 (12:23):
I

SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
see.
So I like, I like, I love bothschools.
They both have different thingsto teach you and they're both
really well.

SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
So if somebody wants to get into acting, do you think
it's more about the skill or theconnections of both?

SPEAKER_00 (12:37):
You have to have the passion to do it.
The passion to do it.
Yeah.
If you don't have the passionand you're just in it to be like
famous, it's not going to gofar.

SPEAKER_01 (12:43):
I

SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
see.
If you're in it to find thecraft and like, build on that
then you'll go further there'sbeen jobs where i've taken no
money just because i know thescript is really good and
there's jobs that are throwingmoney at me but the script is
not good i'm like i don't really

SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
so which was the movie or the script you took
that which was the movie or thescript you took on like for a
little money just because youwere passionate about it what
was it about

SPEAKER_00 (13:06):
um my buddy actually wrote it's a horror film okay
yeah it's called peripheralit'll be out next month in
august um i mean i was a smallpart in it and I didn't get
paid, but he's my friend and thescript was really good.
And I was like, I really want, Iwant to be a part of this as I
know it's going to be reallygood.
So he wrote me a part in it.
And yeah, so it was pretty good.

(13:28):
They showed it at a few likefestivals and stuff.
And my part that gets a big jumpscare.
So I've been told.
I can't imagine you look

SPEAKER_01 (13:38):
so cute and sweet.
I can't imagine you being in ahorror movie.

SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
I would love to play the villain.
I would rather be the villain ina movie than the hero.

SPEAKER_01 (13:46):
Why?

SPEAKER_00 (13:48):
Just because there's more that a villain can offer, I
feel like.

SPEAKER_01 (13:51):
Like a Joker?

SPEAKER_00 (13:52):
Yes.
Joker's my favorite villainever.
But nobody can top Heath.
Nobody can top

SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Heath.
You have to smile less.
For the Joker, you have to be alittle...

SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
Well, he smiled a lot, but...

SPEAKER_01 (14:06):
Like in a freaky smile.

SPEAKER_00 (14:07):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
yeah.
So if you had to cast right nowfor the Joker, give us the face.

SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
Give you my Joker face?
Yeah.
Oh, man.

SPEAKER_01 (14:20):
Yep, I'm gonna

SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
push on this one.
I would just have to...
I don't know, it's more like it,but I gotta work at it.

SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
Can I give us the girl's name?
The Joker's girlfriend.

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Oh, Harley Quinn?

SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Harley Quinn?

SPEAKER_00 (14:36):
She's like all over the place.
She's all over the place,

SPEAKER_01 (14:38):
yeah.
So you've been, you know, inmany campaigns, you work with
many brands.
I assume you attended a lot ofcastings.
What's like the weirdest thingyou've been asked to do at the
casting?

SPEAKER_00 (14:51):
I'm not gonna name

SPEAKER_01 (14:52):
names, but.

SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
Yeah, modeling for 12 years, you see a lot and you
get asked a lot of things.
And there was one time where Iwas asked to wear these, these
um

SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
borat monokini yeah

SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
yeah like suspenders

SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
really

SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
like underwear suspenders

SPEAKER_01 (15:18):
underwear suspenders

SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
for men

SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
do they exist

SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
i've i actually saw someone wearing them at the

SPEAKER_01 (15:25):
beach here in california

SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
yeah i was shocked but i was i was i don't know
what does

SPEAKER_01 (15:30):
it look like what do you attach it to

SPEAKER_00 (15:32):
your shoulders yeah

SPEAKER_01 (15:34):
i know i know but the bottom just to do things

SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
it just goes around up and around

SPEAKER_01 (15:39):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
I thought this was the underwear.
They're like, it is.

SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
But what's the point of this?
So it doesn't fall?
I don't know.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (15:46):
like too big to hold it in?
I just said, I'm not doing that.
So

SPEAKER_01 (15:50):
you said you're not doing that.
And what happened then?

SPEAKER_00 (15:51):
They just didn't book me.

SPEAKER_01 (15:53):
Oh, man.
That's sad.
So I assume you

SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
have to...
I'm okay with that.
That was perfectly fine.
Did you

SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
know that's going to happen?

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
No, I had no idea.
I was going in to shoot forunderwear.
Not expecting that to be there.

UNKNOWN (16:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
So how did you handle that?
Did you call your agent?
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
I just said, I don't feel comfortable doing that.
I said, I don't feel comfortableshooting that.
I'm going to have to excusemyself.
And then they were all upset.
I was like, I

SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
just

SPEAKER_00 (16:21):
give my agent a call and they're aware of the
situation.
I

SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
like that.
for something, I'm in anuncomfortable situation, I'm
sorry, I've got to excusemyself.
Yeah.
And just extract myself

SPEAKER_00 (16:30):
from the situation.
I was like, yeah, I can't dothis.
Okay.
So that's the most professionalway I was kind of was like, I
need to get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
Right.
But obviously you have to,obviously you have paid jobs and
you need to be a Canva for theproject, but at the same time,
it's your personal integrity,right?
It's

SPEAKER_00 (16:45):
your

SPEAKER_01 (16:46):
image as well.

SPEAKER_00 (16:47):
Yeah.
I also have four brothers athome who would never let me live
it down.
Oh, yeah.
They'd probably frame it and putit in the

SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
bathroom.
Yeah.
Not long in this family.

SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
No, they would just make fun of me all the time.
You're

SPEAKER_01 (16:58):
like, no.

SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
That'd probably be their contact photo if they
called me.
Yeah, for years to come.

SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
So what else happened?
What other weird asks you had?
We want to hear.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (17:11):
Hollywood, baby.
You get asked things all thetime.
You just got to know your moralsand stick with it.

SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
So how do you stay professional?
Because obviously we've heard alot about situations like this
happening with female models,but nobody really talks about,
you know, inappropriate behaviortowards male models.
And after I talked to femalemodels, I didn't realize how bad
it is.
And the famous male model toldme that it's happening to him
way more than his femalecolleagues.

(17:41):
What do you think about that?
I

SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
just think it happens a lot more to men than
people realize.
And just guys are just...
more afraid to speak out becauseit's just it's not supposed to
be happening i know a few fanswho've who've gone through some
things i'm not gonna name namesor who did it but

SPEAKER_02 (18:00):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
it's definitely changed them and they quit the
industry

SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
oh wow

SPEAKER_00 (18:04):
so yeah more more guys are speaking out which i'm
glad um but i've been in asituation where a girl had told
me that we were on a like athree or four day shoot and she
had told me that the first dayafter we shot that somebody was
being a little handsy with her.
And then I was like, okay, ifyou're not going to go, I'm not
going to show up either.
And then they're kind ofscrewed.

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So we both didn't show up andthen they're asking why.
So we explained the situation.
I was like, I don't feelcomfortable being on set.
If somebody is doing that toher, me as a dad and like with
my morals, it's like, I don'tfeel comfortable with that at
all.
So that person was let go.
And then we came back to theshoot and finished the job.

SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
Well, speaking of you being a dad, What are the
lessons, I guess, you learnedfrom your daughters?
I know you have four beautifuldaughters.
Three

SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
daughters.
And we just welcomed a son.

SPEAKER_01 (18:56):
My

SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
son's four months old.

SPEAKER_01 (18:57):
Congratulations.
I thought for some reason it wasall four girls.
We

SPEAKER_00 (19:03):
got the one boy.

SPEAKER_01 (19:05):
Shopping and partying.
I mean, if it was four girls...

SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
Four girls, I mean, whatever.
We were saving everything fromour third daughter, just in
case.
And now we had a boy, and hisname's Cash.
Everything pink is gone.
Everything blue is in now.

SPEAKER_01 (19:24):
That's so much fun.
So what have you learned fromyour daughters?

SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
Any lesson

SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
you learned?

SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
Patience.

SPEAKER_01 (19:30):
Patience?

SPEAKER_00 (19:30):
Yeah.
I've grown a lot of patience,and then more...
That's the word I'm looking for.
More respect for women ingeneral.
Overall, honestly, justpatience, respect, and just
love.

SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
So how do you see yourself as a dad to what kind
of, I guess, qualities you wantto instill in your daughters for
them to be happy human beingswhen they grow up?

SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
I'm kind of raising them the same way my parents
kind of raised me isindependent, but Don't shy away
from being also codependent on apartner later in life.
My wife and I, we were both veryindependent, but we're also
codependent on each other tomake our family grow.
And I just want them to not beafraid.
Siri went off.

(20:25):
Hey Siri, join

SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 (20:27):
Yeah, Siri, goodbye.
I instilled in them to just beindependent women, like young
girls, and not be afraid ofwanting to try things or try new
food or something like that andnever be afraid to tell me
something.
I was like, if you come and talkto me about it first, even if
it's something you did that waswrong, you'll have, it'll be

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less of a punishment if you justcame to me directly and told me
instead of me finding out oryou're lying to me and then
finding out later.
So it's been a back and forthwith that, especially with my
oldest one right now becauseshe's 11.
She's a young woman soon to be13 and two years.
So the transition's coming and Ican see it.

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She's definitely her own person.
So it's just, there's no script.
There's no rule book.
You can read all the books youwant as a parent, but there is
every kid and every child isdifferent.
But we're just, as long as youinstill love and compassion and
support, it'll go a long way.

SPEAKER_01 (21:28):
Yeah, I love that.
No, I agree.
You have to establish the trust,right?
Trust, 100%.
um you know fear of punishmentyeah you have to like you said
correctly i mean i don't havekids but that's how i was raised
you know in my family that mymom always used to say if you
tell me the truth nothing'sgonna happen to you so you
always feel that you knowsecurity and safety that you can

(21:49):
speak to your parents and you'renot gonna get punished or put in
a corner

SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
yeah i always tell them i feel more hurt if you lie
to me than if you tell me thetruth even though the truth may
hurt too i You would break myheart if you lied to me.
Especially to my face.
I don't like that.
Why don't you just tell me thetruth?
And don't ever be afraid to cometo me and talk to me about
something.
That's kind of what I tell themall the time.

SPEAKER_01 (22:11):
Do you believe talking to kids as an adult?
Young

SPEAKER_00 (22:15):
adults, yes.
I don't talk to them likethey're babies.
I treat them like they're youngadults.
My oldest, Hazel, is 11.
Nora is 7, turning 8.
So I talk to them like they'reyoung adults and teenagers.
Trying to navigate the way inthe world, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
Well, also, I must say like your situation is
unique because you are veryhandsome, successful model,
actor.
I'm sure you get so muchattention and now you're a
father.
How do you balance, you know,having a family, especially like
pretty big family for an averagefolk, having a family and also
be in the entertainmentindustry?

SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
I will always and utmost be a father first.

SPEAKER_01 (22:56):
If

SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
anything else comes in contact or in the way of
that, I won't do it.
So I have to be a dad and ahusband first before anything
else.
So once that's all...
Like my day is family, wife,kids all day.
And then when they go to bed at8 o'clock, then I start working

(23:17):
on my acting scripts or readingscenes or writing short films
and stuff.
I've written a couple shortfilms that I'm going to be
filming myself.
But it's just...
And they're in school all day.
So if I have to do something inLA, I make sure it's during the
day so I can get back and seethem when I get out of school
and I'm back in time for dinneras well.

SPEAKER_01 (23:36):
Do you consider yourself a stay-at-home dad?
I

SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
guess yes and no.

SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
So who spends more time with the kids?

SPEAKER_00 (23:46):
We're both with the kids all the time.
My wife and I, we're home allthe time.
Because we also do social media.
So we work from home.
But if I have to come up to LAfor podcasts or casting or an
audition or something, she'llstay home.

SPEAKER_02 (24:01):
And

SPEAKER_00 (24:02):
then I'll come up here or the girls will be at
school and I'll be up here andshe'll be at home.
So I guess she's more of astay-at-home mom.
So how

SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
did you divide the responsibilities?
Is it more like you guys inagreement or did you have some
kind of arguments?
Oh, like I'm doing more than youknow, than you.

SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
Oh, no, we both, we don't argue about that.
We both bring 100%.
It's always like, oh, 50-50.
I'm like, then that's, you'redoing half the work.
We bring 100 and 100 together.
Now we have 200%.
We don't have 100%.
We have 200%.
So we'll talk about it.
I'm like, hey, I have podcastscoming up.

SPEAKER_02 (24:36):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
So then like today, she took my two younger kids to
grandma's house.
And so they're over thereswimming and stuff right now.
So yeah, we do a pretty good jobof balancing it all.
And we have this giant calendarin our house with everything
that we have to like break downfor the week

SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
because I cannot imagine I mean having one kid
and being busy but then have nowfour kids

SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
do

SPEAKER_01 (24:58):
you guys planning on having more no

SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
we are done my older two are busy they're in sports
and extracurricular activitieslike during summer camp all week

SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
and like

SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
they're in all these different like activities and
stuff so they're busy

SPEAKER_02 (25:11):
and

SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
They're at school from eight to three and then
some other activities from nineto one.
So they're always busy.
But it is definitely a lot rightnow with us having two kids
under two.
It's a whirlwind, but we'remaking it work.

SPEAKER_01 (25:27):
I would say you look really relaxed for having that
many kids.

SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
Patience.

SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
Like what's the key?
I mean, I guess it depends onthe parents, but some parents I
see, they say, I don't have timeto do this, to do that.
They look like shit.
But then I look at you.
You're so relaxed and calm.
And I obviously follow you onsocial media.
You're always doing something.
How do you stay calm?
I

SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
just don't sweat the little things.
Because we were all kids.
I know what I did when I was akid.
And half the things that they doisn't even close to what I was
doing.
And like I said, just every kidI've had, I've just gotten more
and more patient.
I mean, there's days where I'mlike, you guys need it.
Go away from me.
But that's really rare.

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It's really rare.

SPEAKER_01 (26:10):
So do you think that your approach is different,
let's say, after second, thirdkid, when you had your first
kid, in terms of letting morethings slide?
Not

SPEAKER_00 (26:23):
slide.

SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:24):
Like slide with them?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
like slide.
Like, yeah, you can just go bumpyour head in a wall or...
It's like you take it more easy.

SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
If they fall or bump their head, I've still been the
same with them.
So my saying is if they fall andget hurt, I'll wait.
I won't go help them up.
I'll let them get up themselves.
And then they can come to me andthen I'll talk to them and have
them tell me what is wrong.
They'll tell me and I'm like,okay, who are you?

SPEAKER_01 (26:53):
You asked them?

SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
Yeah, I'm like, who are you?
And so I try to instill them forthem, especially my girls.
I want them to, they have to saythey're a tough girl until they
start smiling in the face.
So I'm like, I can't hear you.
So they can say it over and overand over until it's funny.
And they say I'm a tough girland then they're fine.
They run away.

SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
Can you ask me that?

SPEAKER_00 (27:13):
How are you?

SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
I'm a tough girl.

SPEAKER_00 (27:15):
How are you?

SPEAKER_01 (27:16):
I'm a tough girl.

SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
I'm a tough girl.

SPEAKER_00 (27:18):
I can't hear you.

SPEAKER_01 (27:19):
I'm a tough girl.

SPEAKER_00 (27:20):
I can't hear you.

SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
I am a tough girl.

SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
See?

SPEAKER_01 (27:23):
I feel badass

SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
now.
Yeah, exactly.
See?
That works.
Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
I already feel so much more confident.

SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
Relaxed.

SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Amazing.
So speaking of you, you'reobviously so charming and
charismatic.
I'm sure you get so muchattention from women on social
media.
Does your wife ever get jealous?

SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Never.
Not once.

SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
I don't believe.

SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
She does not.
You can bring her on here.
She does not.
She knows I will never, everleave her.

SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
It's probably because she has the trust in
you.

SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
Trust.
Both of us.
I love that woman.
She's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
So tell me, is it true, ChatGPT told me, that
she's...
My friend, my other friend,Chat, told me that she slid into
your DMs during COVID.
She did.
So tell us.
So do you think it's okay forthe woman to make a first move?
Of course.
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (28:12):
Yeah, of course.
Anybody should make a move.
If they're...
Want a shot?
It

SPEAKER_01 (28:16):
wouldn't set you off that somebody is putting more
intent?

SPEAKER_00 (28:22):
I'm excited that you reached out to me and you want
to pursue a relationship.
Yeah, by all means.
So

SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
it wouldn't be a turn off?

SPEAKER_00 (28:31):
No, not at all.

SPEAKER_01 (28:32):
Okay.
So what happened next?

SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
So she reached out and it was April of 2020.
So it was prime COVID.
And she said, hey.
And I was like looking at my DMsand I was like, who's this girl?

SPEAKER_01 (28:44):
All she said, just hey?

SPEAKER_00 (28:45):
Just hey.

SPEAKER_01 (28:46):
wow

SPEAKER_00 (28:46):
and i responded i was like hey what's up and then
she sends me this essay ofwhat's up okay i was like i was
not expecting that i was justlike oh nothing just hanging out
but it was an essay what she wasdoing she's in texas at the time

SPEAKER_02 (28:59):
okay

SPEAKER_00 (28:59):
explain why she's in texas i was just like all right
that sounds great when you'recoming back to cali ha ha

SPEAKER_02 (29:05):
ha

SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
essay full breakdown okay i'm like okay she's
interested so i need to okay alittle bit more of a detailed
text so i i dm'd her back likei'd say about an essay back and
then we were talking for acouple days and i was like hey
what's your phone number i'drather text you than

SPEAKER_02 (29:24):
yeah yeah

SPEAKER_00 (29:25):
i respond way faster on texting than i do on social
media and i don't want to be onsocial media any more than i
have to be so then she sent meher number and i facetimed her
immediately and then It wentstraight to voicemail.
Did she

SPEAKER_01 (29:36):
pick up?
Yeah, I wouldn't pick up.
I'd be like, hey, come on.
I'm in my PJs right now.

SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
She was like, did you mean to call me?
And I said, yes.
Can you answer?
So I called her and then sheanswered.
I was like, okay.
And then she asked me why I didthat.
And I was like, I've beencatfished a few times.

SPEAKER_01 (29:51):
So I

SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
was like, I had to make sure you were a real person
before I invested my time.

SPEAKER_01 (29:57):
Very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (29:58):
And then we talked for two weeks.
I asked her out.
I asked her to be my girlfriendin May of 2020, and then I asked
her to marry me in December of2020.

SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
Wait, hold on.
Let's break this down.
You started talking in April,

SPEAKER_00 (30:14):
in

SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
May.
We

SPEAKER_00 (30:15):
started talking in April.

SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
April.

SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
And then we started dating in May.
Dating

SPEAKER_01 (30:19):
in May.
At

SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
the end of May, yeah.
So a month later from when wewere talking.

SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
And then you proposed when?

SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
In December of that year.

SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
December.
Yeah.
So let me ask you this.
A lot of women would beinterested.
When was the moment in her thatmade you think, I want to marry
this woman?

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
The first day she met my older two daughters.

SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
Which was how long after you started dating?

SPEAKER_00 (30:47):
So we started dating in May, so it was two months
after.

SPEAKER_01 (30:51):
So you trusted her enough?

SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
Yeah, I never brought anybody around.
Right, that's what I'm saying.
It's a

SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
big move, right?
Yeah.
I think for you.

SPEAKER_00 (30:59):
Yeah.
And I knew, I trusted her enoughto bring her around.
And then just how my girls tookto her and how she took to the
girls, I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
That was it.

SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
Yeah.
That's actually in my vows, too.
That in my vows.

SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
Again?

SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
I put that in my vows.
Wow, how

SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
romantic.
How romantic.
So let's say if you didn't haveyour daughters, let's imagine
this hypothetical situation.
What would be the quality, Iguess, in a woman that you...
think it's important for you toconsider marrying her?

SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Trust, love, and compassion for one another.
If you don't have trust, youdon't have, honestly, trust.
If you don't have trust, youdon't have anything.
Everything else just goes outthe window.
So as long as you have trust,love, compassion, also
communication, then you guyswill

SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
thrive.
But so how do you test that?
Because you don't really, onceyou start seeing somebody, you
don't really know them.
So how do you know that you cantrust them?

SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
Fate.

SPEAKER_01 (32:01):
You believe in fate?

SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
Yeah, I believe in fate.
To believe your wife is yourfate.
Fate and faith, you just, untilyou see that they break that
trust, then what are youworrying about?
You're just going to constantlyworry about, are they doing
this, are they doing that, arethey doing this?
You're so fixated on whatthey're doing instead of what
you're doing and how you'refeeling.

(32:22):
So I don't fixate on that.
Until the day you break thattrust, then I'll worry about it.
But I have nothing to worryabout.

SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
She's never broken your trust.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
And I've never broken hers.
We

SPEAKER_01 (32:34):
need some reality check.
Is there anything that may beslightly annoying, but you
tolerate in your wife or in arelationship?

SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
Oh.
I

SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
bet there should be something.
I don't believe it's all...
I mean, I'm so happy for you,but I want

SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
to know the reality of it.
Every relationship has their upsand downs, clearly.
We have more ups and downs.

SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
Okay, that's great.
Okay, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
Something that bothers me?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:02):
Be careful, because I might not have dinner.
I

SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
can make my own dinner.
Oh.
Big boy.
Okay, I see.
I can cook dinner.

SPEAKER_01 (33:12):
Oh, so you cook dinner.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (33:14):
My meal prep.
I'll enjoy my glass of food.

SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
I see.
I see.

SPEAKER_00 (33:20):
No, we're not like that.

SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
Okay.
But something, let's say, okay,so let me paraphrase it.
Imagine you in this beautiful,loving relationship and there's
certain things that your partnerdoes you don't like.
Is it something to address orwalk away or compromise
something of your habits or waysyou see life just because you
want to be with that person thatmuch?

SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
It's nothing.
She...
does it's ever had me like walkaway.
If we ever had an issue,

SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
like

SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
I'm very open and I will discuss if I have a problem
about something.
I think it goes both ways forher and I is something that
we're both trying to work on iswe do social media for a job.
So it's finding that timethroughout the day is when do we
stop working?
You know, even like when we'rewith the kids, it's, let's put

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the phone down and just enjoyour time with the kids.
Sometimes at night we'rescrolling, trying to find things
to do, editing and stuff.
And, you know, it's just, I tryto tell them, we should create,
can't find the word.
I'm running out of the word.
Find

SPEAKER_01 (34:35):
the time.
Find

SPEAKER_00 (34:36):
the time.
Treat

SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
it.

SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
Treat it as a job.

SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
I see.
Like a nine to five job.
Like even though we don't have anine to five job, treat it as a
nine to five.
So like five o'clock rollsaround or whatever.
Oh, wait.
So you're treating your

SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
relationship as a...

SPEAKER_00 (34:50):
No, no, no.
Just social media.

SPEAKER_01 (34:51):
Oh, social media.

SPEAKER_00 (34:52):
Oh, I see.
That's the thing that...
Yeah.
So it's never anything that shedoes specifically.
We're both...
We both do it.
It's just trying to stay off ourphones as much as we can.
We never have phones out atdinner.
Like my daughters, they don'thave phones.
They don't have iPads.
Nothing.
They can...
Play on our phones and stuff athome for like a little bit next
to us.
Or like if they want to watch acouple TikToks with us, they

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can.
But they don't have phones andiPads or anything like that.
So it would just be her and Itrying to find that time to
disconnect from social media.
And I actually started two weeksago is no social media, no
phones on Sundays.

SPEAKER_01 (35:28):
What?
I

SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
love that.
Zero.
No technology.
Well, not technology, but justno phones on Sundays.

UNKNOWN (35:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:33):
So it's been going pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
It's good, yeah.
So it's like you're creatingyour little traditions, like
family traditions that helps tokeep the family strong.

SPEAKER_00 (35:40):
Yeah, because all of our social media online is
family content.
So we're always making videos,editing, posting all the time.
So sometimes we've got to justshut it down

SPEAKER_02 (35:53):
and

SPEAKER_00 (35:54):
enjoy the moment that we're in.
So I've been doing that a lotlately.
I used to post on Snapchat everysingle day to the point where I
was not really...
involved in what was actuallyhappening so i stopped like cold
turkey stopped posting onsnapchat and then actually felt
a lot better so like

SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
living

SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
i feel more creative on instagram and tiktok now
because i'm not having to posteverything all day every day

SPEAKER_01 (36:18):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (36:19):
so it's actually kind of nice

SPEAKER_01 (36:20):
it's like social media detox in a sense

SPEAKER_00 (36:22):
it really is yeah it really is and i've noticed i'm
scrolling on tiktok or socialmedia in general a lot my eyes
get really red

SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
and

SPEAKER_00 (36:28):
i'm like Because it's dopamine.
Exactly.
The

SPEAKER_01 (36:31):
algorithm works just to keep you on it 24-7.
I'll get

SPEAKER_00 (36:34):
the, hey, you still awake?
Why are you watching?
Oh, bedtime.

SPEAKER_01 (36:37):
Exactly.
You have to have the littlenotifications.
Time is up.

SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
I love

SPEAKER_01 (36:41):
that.
So speaking of your familyroutine, so being so busy and
having the kids, and I know manyfamilies struggle to keep up the
romance.
Do you guys have certain...
Not rituals, but moments thatyou plan or do just for you two,
not involving kids or havingkids and being in the family

(37:01):
24-7?

SPEAKER_00 (37:02):
Yeah, before our fourth baby was born, we went
out together.
It was like, we made sure thatwe had time to go out at least
once a week, just her and I.
Yeah, just her and I without thekids and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (37:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
But...
we're very much romantically inlove for sure.
And we both love doing thingswith our children.
We take trips with them all thetime.
If I take a trip, yeah, it's funfor the first day or two.
And then we're both kind oflike, dang, we wish the girls
were here.
We can go

SPEAKER_02 (37:34):
show

SPEAKER_00 (37:35):
the girls.
Yeah.
So it's, it's hard to explain.

SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
Yeah.
Explain to us because, you know,a lot of families feel like, oh,
the spark is gone.
We'll be so busy.
Yeah.
Is it something, obviously, Iknow you have deep feelings and
love.

SPEAKER_00 (37:52):
If the spark is gone, then it was never really
there.

SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
Say again?

SPEAKER_00 (37:55):
If the spark is gone, it was never really there.

SPEAKER_01 (37:57):
Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Yeah.
So you can't just say the sparkis gone.
You have to still make time foreach other.
So we still make time for eachother.

SPEAKER_02 (38:03):
But

SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
right now with our new baby, it is a little
difficult.
But because he's feeding everytwo hours and he's up all night
and stuff, so...
before he was born it was likewhen all the kids went to sleep
then we would her and i wouldwatch a movie or a show together
and hang out and but right nowit's it's a lot right now

SPEAKER_01 (38:23):
it's a lot

SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
yeah baby but

SPEAKER_01 (38:24):
so how do you think you're handling it

SPEAKER_00 (38:27):
i mean fine

SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
just like that fine

SPEAKER_00 (38:30):
fine yeah i mean it's just it's life it's
everyone goes through ups anddowns so you have to ride the
lows to get back up to the highs

SPEAKER_01 (38:39):
i think very important question is who is
doing the chores

SPEAKER_00 (38:43):
Me.
You?
Mm-hmm.
She's mommy.

SPEAKER_01 (38:48):
Okay, so you are?

SPEAKER_00 (38:48):
She's breastfeeding, helping take care of the kids.
First thing I wake up is I makemyself coffee, and I start
cleaning the house.
Uh-huh.
I mean, sometimes I go to bed,I'm like, poor kids, the house
is a tornado.
So you're cooking, you'recleaning,

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
taking care of the kids.
Mm-hmm.
Where can we find more peoplelike you?
Asking for a friend.
I

SPEAKER_00 (39:10):
would say any one of my brothers, but they're all
married now.

UNKNOWN (39:12):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (39:13):
So is it something that instilled within your
family and your culture?
Yeah.
Where are you from originally?
California.
Oh, California.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
That was something my parents kind of instilled
into us.
So

SPEAKER_01 (39:24):
what do you think about like masculine, feminine
role?
Do you believe, what do youthink are the responsibilities
of the man in the family?
And what are theresponsibilities of a woman in a
family?

SPEAKER_00 (39:33):
I think that's neither here nor there.
Things need to get done for thefamily.
As long as they're done for thefamily, I don't care who did it.

UNKNOWN (39:41):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
They're done.

SPEAKER_01 (39:44):
So let's say, would you be okay if let's say you
would be doing 100% of it?

SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
Like cleaning the house and everything?
Oh, I do all the time.
I think like 95% of the time Iclean the house.

SPEAKER_01 (39:55):
I see.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
And I have no problem with that at all.

SPEAKER_01 (39:58):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (39:59):
I think I'm more of like OCD freak where I put away
all the girls' toys and all mybaby's toys and help clean up.
But my older two daughters helpme clean up and stuff too.
They have chores they got to doand stuff.
But especially with my wife,taking care of our baby and
breastfeeding and stuff.
It's taxing, it's a lot on her.
The least I can do is clean thehouse.
It's not a

SPEAKER_01 (40:19):
problem.
Yeah, I feel like, I guessyou're right.
I just feel like nowadays thestandards are so low.

SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
Like I said, 100 and 100 together.
100 and 100, yeah.
If I have to clean the housewhile she's taking care of the
baby, push the baby out.
That's the least I can do.
It's not a problem.

SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
I

SPEAKER_00 (40:35):
had just torn my ACL and I was cleaning the house on
my wheelchair.

SPEAKER_01 (40:38):
Oh, that's right.
How did that happen?
I

SPEAKER_00 (40:41):
was playing football.
I just landed wrong.
Which is crazy because I playedfor my whole life and never had
a problem.
I think my foot got caught in ahole and I was landing.

SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
Your foot got in a hole?

SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
It was a really not great field we were playing on.
So it was like a gopher hole orsomething.

SPEAKER_01 (40:58):
What is it called?
The brace?

SPEAKER_00 (41:00):
I had a full metal brace on my leg.
For...
a while

SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
so you're vacuuming with the brace and everything

SPEAKER_00 (41:07):
yeah yeah i was just i just want i just wanted to do
something and get out of thefrom sitting on the couch and
just do something constructiveyeah be useful because i just
felt like a sack of potatoesjust sitting there she's taking
care of all four of the kidsbreastfeeding making lunches and
i just feel useless so i justhopped in the wheelchair and

(41:27):
just started vacuuming and shetook a video i know That's

SPEAKER_01 (41:32):
fun.

SPEAKER_00 (41:32):
Yeah.
The comments are a little crazy,but we don't really listen to
them.

SPEAKER_01 (41:37):
So how do you address the negative comments?
Have you ever been digitallybullied?

SPEAKER_00 (41:42):
Everyone has an opinion, and you can either
choose to comment and feed intoit or not.
Do you

SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
look through the comments?

SPEAKER_00 (41:53):
We look at them.

SPEAKER_01 (41:53):
You look at them,

SPEAKER_00 (41:54):
right?
Yeah.
It's just funny, people'sopinion on things that they are
uneducated about, especiallywomen.
within our family.
People like to think they knowus and they really don't.
Like with the wheelchair thing,people thought that she was
making me do that.
I willingly did that.
Nobody makes me do anything.
So it's kind of- They try to

SPEAKER_01 (42:11):
find something negative.

SPEAKER_00 (42:12):
They try to find something negative.
So people like to see you risejust to see you fall.
And she actually kind of taughtme that, my wife, she told me
not to feed into commentsbecause it just-

SPEAKER_01 (42:23):
Exactly, because you're more feeding into, you're
giving them that negative energyand feeding into

SPEAKER_00 (42:28):
that.
Yeah.
I scroll, I look through them.
They're funny.
Some of them are funny.
I'm just like, oh my God, whatare you guys talking about?

SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
But how do you feel?
It's one thing to put yourselfon social media and be open
about it, but there's been sortof like the social dilemma
putting your kids in socialmedia, right?
Do you think, because they don'thave a say right now, they
cannot say, oh, when I'm goingto be 16 or 18, my pictures of
me being three, four or fiveyears old, my whole life is
pretty much documented and outthere online, right?

(42:56):
How do you address that in termsof keeping you on privacy?

SPEAKER_00 (42:59):
There's a lot we don't post.
We take a lot of videos, but wedon't post everything that they
do.
But yeah, I have hadconversations with both my
daughters about it.
And I said, if you ever feeluncomfortable, you don't want to
film or anything, you can alwaystell me and it's totally fine.
So I've had my older daughtersay she didn't want to be on
camera today when we were doingsomething.

(43:21):
I was like, no problem.
And then I'll post stuff andthey're like, people, where's
your, where's your older twodaughters or where's your
daughter?

SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
They

SPEAKER_00 (43:28):
didn't want to be on the camera today and I have to
just play all their dress schoolor something, you know?
So it's like, sometimes theydon't want to do it and that's
totally fine.
They don't have to.
But then there'll be days wherethey don't want to do it, and
then they're the ones recordingus.
Now they're professional.
Yeah, they're like, can werecord?
I'm like, yeah, sure, take it.
Do it.
By all means.
Must be nice to

SPEAKER_01 (43:46):
have mini minions, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
Yeah, literally.
Literally, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:49):
Mini minions doing everything for

SPEAKER_00 (43:51):
you.
I have my Ray-Ban glasses, therecording ones, so I'll put them
on them sometimes, and I'll gettheir point of view.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (43:57):
that's cool.
So they're actually recording.

SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
Yeah, those are the ones I wore when I came in here.

SPEAKER_01 (44:01):
Secret spy.

SPEAKER_00 (44:03):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (44:04):
So having your family and the daughters and
you're being a successful model,tell me what are your
aspirations and goals in acting?
What is your immediateshort-term goal at the moment?
Where are you trying to get withit?
I know you wanted to be in thehorror movie, I mean, play a

(44:24):
villain.
But are you looking to ideallyplay maybe in a big Marvel
movie?
Comic blockbuster.

SPEAKER_00 (44:32):
I mean, that would be great.
That'd be great.
But I don't think I would wantto.
I don't.
I would love to do that.
But I don't think I'd want to dothat starting out

SPEAKER_02 (44:42):
because

SPEAKER_00 (44:42):
I don't know what would line up after that or if I
would be taken seriously as anactor after

SPEAKER_01 (44:48):
like

SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
a superhero movie.

SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
Stereotype, right?

SPEAKER_00 (44:50):
Stereotypical superhero role.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (44:55):
I would take it.
You could be a good Superman.

SPEAKER_00 (44:58):
Superman?
No, that's Henry Cavill rightthere.
Henry Cavill is my Superman.
Henry Cavill, for sure.
I would want to establish myselfmore of an actor before I take a
role like that, but if they didcome to me, I would by all means
take it because...
I'll take

SPEAKER_01 (45:17):
it.
I'll play Superman.

SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
I guess.
That's DC.
Superman's DC.

SPEAKER_01 (45:21):
Oh, sorry, DC.
Excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 (45:23):
No, no worries.
I'm going to get trolled onlineif I don't correct it.
Please

SPEAKER_01 (45:28):
do.
I'm not into that whole DC

SPEAKER_00 (45:31):
Marvel.
He doesn't know what he'stalking about.
Yeah, so it'd be cool.
I like I like TimotheeChalamet's whole acting career,
how he's doing all these otherprojects and stuff.
He's kind of staying away fromsuperhero roles, so I do like
his whole career.
But I also do like Tom Holland'scareer, too, where he has taken

(45:52):
Spider-Man roles, but he hasalso done Cherry and other
roles, too, where it shows hisrange as an actor, which is
really cool.
It's hard to navigate.
This industry is hard tonavigate, especially right now.
It's kind of on the down lowright now.
So it's just, where's thisindustry going and how can I go

(46:12):
with it?
So it's difficult.

SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
So what do you think about technology and AI at the
moment?
Do you think it is a threat foractors?

SPEAKER_00 (46:23):
No, I don't think so, no.
People are all fearful of it andeverything.
And I just, it's like, I've seenstuff.
I'm like, wow, that looks reallygood.
But you can tell a lot,especially with an actor, if
you're looking at their eyes,there's truth.
And AI hasn't, they can't geteyes down.

(46:45):
Like all right here tells thestory and they just, they can't
get it down.
Like the images and everythinglook great, but I don't think
it'll ever happen.
Maybe like it'll be its ownentity, but actors will, and
this whole industry will stillvery much be alive, especially
SAG fought for that to be out.
unless you sign away yourrights, which don't sign away

(47:07):
your rights.
Because I've seen, I've gottencontracts where it's AI is in
the contract and I circle it andI say, please take this out.
So you just got to read yourcontracts, people, read your
contracts.

SPEAKER_01 (47:19):
That was actually my question.
Would you ever, next question,would you ever sell your AI
avatar?
No, never.

SPEAKER_00 (47:26):
Because I'm just, why would they hire me?
They can just digitally insertme.

SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
What if you can

SPEAKER_00 (47:31):
make more money?
Unless it's like a video game.

SPEAKER_01 (47:33):
Video

SPEAKER_00 (47:33):
game's totally fine.
Yeah, or

SPEAKER_01 (47:35):
commercials maybe?

SPEAKER_00 (47:36):
Video game.
Still video game.
Not a commercial, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:38):
What video game would that be?

SPEAKER_00 (47:41):
Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Madden, I don't
know.
Madden's all professionalathletes and stuff.
But yeah, just

SPEAKER_02 (47:49):
any

SPEAKER_00 (47:49):
video game would be cool to be in.
Just to say I'm in a video game.
I play myself in a video game.
Kind of cool.

SPEAKER_01 (47:55):
Yeah, I can see you maybe in some...

SPEAKER_00 (47:58):
A lot of big actors are doing video games and stuff
now.
So it's pretty cool to see theirlikeness in a video game.
In a video game, that'd be cool.
But for a movie or commercial orTV show, no.

SPEAKER_01 (48:09):
No, yeah, you just want to be...

SPEAKER_00 (48:10):
I want to be in it myself.

SPEAKER_01 (48:12):
Authentic Chase, 100%.
Yeah, I see.
Do you think, or maybepre-experience, in acting world,
do they take you seriously?
Coming from the modeling world?
Do they think you can projectthe depth?

SPEAKER_00 (48:26):
I mean, I haven't been on a big enough set for
anyone to, I mean, everyoneknows you got to start from
somewhere.
So I haven't, I don't know whatpeople, how people take me or
perceive me, but I've done acouple projects where I'm like,
okay, those are pretty good.
And I can see growth from when Istarted to now.

(48:47):
So they're taking me seriouslyor not.
I don't know.
I can't help that, but just getbetter with my craft.

SPEAKER_01 (48:54):
Are you comfortable doing castings for acting?

SPEAKER_00 (48:58):
Yeah, I used to not be.
I used to be so embarrassed.

SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
I was so

SPEAKER_00 (49:04):
shy.
But I'm not shy in person.
I'm very personable.
I'm very extroverted.
I can talk to anybody on thestreet.
I'll go and have a full-onconversation with somebody.
But once that camera is in frontof me, I just something, I don't
know, it's weird.
Or if I had to act a certainway, it was like weird.
Until I went to acting class,and then I did improv class, and

(49:25):
improv is really what...

SPEAKER_01 (49:28):
The funny one, the stand-up?

SPEAKER_00 (49:29):
Not improv comedy, just improv, where you're just
acting out things, and you haveto yes, and, and build a
character.
I

SPEAKER_01 (49:38):
see.

SPEAKER_00 (49:38):
And you can't say no, really, in improv, so you
have to do it.
And it really gets you out ofyour shell, and that really got
me out of my shell.
And then I had to do a show infront of...

SPEAKER_02 (49:48):
people

SPEAKER_00 (49:49):
so my family came out and saw me oh wow yeah so I
was like okay this is my heartwas beating so what did you

SPEAKER_01 (49:57):
do to calm yourself down

SPEAKER_00 (49:59):
anytime I go on stage like especially in class
or if I'm about to do a scene Ijust sit there and count to 10
slowly yeah take 10 deep breathscount to 10 just okay let's go I
don't know it works for me itcalms me down

SPEAKER_01 (50:16):
yeah Unless

SPEAKER_00 (50:17):
I'm in a scene where I have to be hyperventilating,
then I'll have...
Have you

SPEAKER_01 (50:24):
experienced that before?

SPEAKER_00 (50:24):
I've had a scene where I have to come in and I'm
like mad.
So I'm like, I'll go take a lapoutside and run and come in like
all mad.

SPEAKER_01 (50:37):
If I were director, slap in the face.

SPEAKER_00 (50:39):
I've actually had somebody slap me in the face.

SPEAKER_01 (50:41):
Really?
Unexpectedly?

SPEAKER_00 (50:42):
I don't like it.
being slapped in the face i meanwho likes being slapped in the
face but i had i had one of mycolleagues and co-star as i did
i'm not i'm not i'm not gettingthere and he just slapped me in
the face

SPEAKER_01 (50:54):
oh you ask her

SPEAKER_00 (50:55):
no him him yeah he was like what i was like well
not full not hard but just justenough to piss me off

SPEAKER_01 (51:02):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (51:03):
he was like what bam and i was

SPEAKER_01 (51:06):
like i take that

SPEAKER_00 (51:07):
back okay it got me there But I was like, I don't
want to be slapped again.
I was like, no more.
I was like, not doing thatagain.
Good thing he's my friend, so Ididn't really

SPEAKER_01 (51:17):
care.
But imagine your reflex, youpunch him back.

SPEAKER_00 (51:22):
No, some people would, but no, I wouldn't do
that.
Especially since I asked him, Iknew it was happening.
But if it was out of nowhere,I'd be like, what

SPEAKER_01 (51:32):
the heck?

SPEAKER_00 (51:32):
I have a problem.

SPEAKER_01 (51:34):
So let me ask you this.
If you do get a role of yourdream, but you need to do...
like a very romantic scene.
Would you be okay with that?
Would your wife would be okay?

SPEAKER_00 (51:43):
We have discussed that.
Actually, yeah, we have, becauseroles will come up, like I'm on
hold for a role right now thatinvolves intimacy and stuff.
And we always discuss, like Ialways let her know, hey, this
involves intimacy.
Like, are you okay with that?
If not, then I'm not going totake the project.
Because at the end of the day,like I said, family, husband,
dad first.

(52:03):
And I don't want that tosupersede intimacy my life and
my morals within my household.
So we sit down and discuss, andthen we've came down to it,
where she's like, just let meknow, but this is where I stand,

SPEAKER_02 (52:17):
and

SPEAKER_00 (52:17):
I want to know where you stand.
And we both were kind of on thesame page.

SPEAKER_01 (52:21):
Okay.
But would she be okay?
Let's say if there's the kiss inthe scene.
Because it's hard to get a moviewhere you don't have to do any
of those things.
So would she be okay if...
Because she trusts you?
Or you would have to reject anyrole that comes with a little
bit of romanticization?

SPEAKER_00 (52:42):
No, I've done roles that I've had to kiss girls and
it's like simulated sex, butnothing, it doesn't go further
than that because I have, like Isaid, I have a floor and I won't
go lower than that.
Unless she says I'm getting...
I'm up for, it's like a bigfeature film that's going in the

(53:04):
movies and I'm getting paid alot of money for it and maybe up
for an Oscar.
Then she said, it's a separatediscussion about what I have,
but.

SPEAKER_01 (53:13):
But still, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (53:14):
But she's okay with it.

SPEAKER_01 (53:15):
Imagine you prove your love in saying there's a
hundred million dollar, but Ichoose you, honey.
She

SPEAKER_00 (53:21):
would rather take the$100 million.
She was like, go for it.
Go

SPEAKER_01 (53:25):
get the money.
Why are you even talking to menow?
I like it.
It's very business oriented.
But I guess it all comes withtrust, right?
You guys both trust each otherso much.
She understands what's best forthe family.

SPEAKER_00 (53:39):
Well, she knows the industry.
She knows that it's a job.
But it's only funny when I hadto have this conversation with
my daughter.

SPEAKER_02 (53:48):
my

SPEAKER_00 (53:49):
11 year old she understands my 7 year old is
asking questions now

SPEAKER_02 (53:53):
because

SPEAKER_00 (53:53):
I've shown her like some videos of me and then it
like cut to me kissing a girland she was like but isn't that
cheating daddy

SPEAKER_02 (54:00):
I'm

SPEAKER_00 (54:01):
like um no because Kellyanne knows about it wife's
name is Kellyanne and we'vetalked about it and it's for the
film and it's a job and butshe's like I don't understand
I'm like That's okay.
We'll get there.
We'll get there.
So she still asks questions andstuff, which is great.

(54:21):
I want her to ask questions andquestion me.
But I have to try to explain toher that it's not real.
So I actually filmed a littleshort film and I let them help
me film it so they canunderstand.
And so now they kind of get itthat it's not real.
So when we're watching moviesnow, it's like, that's not real.
And I'm like, well, okay, Idon't want you to just fully cut

(54:44):
out movies because you thinkit's fake the whole time.
To

SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
understand that there's a difference between

SPEAKER_00 (54:50):
reality and pretending.
But do I like having to dointimacy scenes?
No, particularly not really.
If I could avoid them, I would,but...
No, I'm just joking.
But I get my character cast andso does my wife.
And we both understand thatthat's the roles that I would be

(55:11):
getting until I can fullyestablish myself and I can start
saying no to projects.

SPEAKER_01 (55:16):
Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 (55:17):
Kind of got to work with what I have.

SPEAKER_01 (55:19):
So let me ask you this.
If your wife was offered ahundred million or whatever big
amount to do a full intimacyscene, would you be okay with
that for the family?
Eh.
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (55:34):
i would

SPEAKER_01 (55:35):
you would

SPEAKER_00 (55:35):
because she would be the same with me

SPEAKER_01 (55:37):
the same with you okay

SPEAKER_00 (55:38):
but i watch it no just like she doesn't watch mine

SPEAKER_01 (55:41):
okay oh you don't watch that part then let's

SPEAKER_00 (55:44):
i wouldn't watch her thing i wouldn't want to

SPEAKER_01 (55:46):
really no

SPEAKER_00 (55:47):
not really i don't want to watch that

SPEAKER_01 (55:51):
so you're just gonna fast forward real quick

SPEAKER_00 (55:54):
uh probably

SPEAKER_01 (55:54):
because you're gonna watch the film right

SPEAKER_00 (55:57):
Yeah, I'd watch the film, but I get it.
I'm like, okay, you guys hookedup.
All right, fast forward.
And she does the same thing withmy intimacy scene.
She skips him, which is fair.
She doesn't want to watch it,but she understands.

SPEAKER_01 (56:14):
Well, fair enough, fair enough.
Well, I'm really glad that youare at this level that you both
guys have so much understandingfor each other, but I also...
do what's the best for thefamily, right?
You're not kind of likesquare-minded.

SPEAKER_00 (56:26):
It's always what's best for the family.
And is this going to help us asa family or is this going to
destroy us as a family?
So everything I do, everything Ichoose to do, especially in this
industry, I won't let it destroymy family because that's me
before anything else.
Dad, husband, before anythingelse.

SPEAKER_01 (56:43):
It always comes first.
Always first.
So how do you see your daughterslike 20 years from now?

SPEAKER_00 (56:51):
Graduated college, probably one of them might be
getting married 20 years.
So yeah, 30, his will be 31 in20 years.
So married husband, maybe shehas a kid on the way, very
successful for what she wants todo.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:06):
Can you imagine yourself as a grandfather?

SPEAKER_00 (57:07):
Yeah.
Like if she, if she, whoa, it'scrazy.
And I was told this the otherday was that if she had a, has a
kid when I had her, I can be agrandpa at 40.

SPEAKER_01 (57:20):
Wow.
Oh my God.
This is insane.

SPEAKER_00 (57:24):
I was like, dang,

SPEAKER_01 (57:25):
this is being

SPEAKER_00 (57:25):
40.

SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
This is insane.

SPEAKER_00 (57:27):
Crazy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:28):
How old were you when you had your first kid?

SPEAKER_00 (57:30):
I was 19.
Well, I, I turned 20 and thentwo weeks later she was born.

SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:37):
So she's 20.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:42):
If you had a chance in 10 years.
If you had a chance to changeit, would you focus on your
career?
And let's say if you had achance to become extremely
successful and famous and thenhave your family, would you go
back and change it?
So then now you can have afamily and...

SPEAKER_00 (57:55):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (57:56):
No?

SPEAKER_00 (57:57):
I am already extremely successful.
Being a dad and being a husband.
Everything else is justsecondary.
Everyone thrives and wants whatwe have.
So why would I change anything?

SPEAKER_01 (58:13):
Great answer.

SPEAKER_00 (58:14):
Money is just a thing.
It'll come and go.
But family and time, it won't.
It's there.

SPEAKER_01 (58:22):
So for guys who your age are watching this right now
and they don't know if they wantto have a family or they're
still debating and focusing ontheir career, is there any
advice you can give to them?
I

SPEAKER_00 (58:38):
mean, I do tell people if you don't feel ready,
then wait i didn't have thatoption mine was just this is
what's happening so if you doget into that situation you just
gotta step up because you have alittle person who's looking to

(58:59):
you for help and guidance inthis world and if you're not
there who knows what's going tosteer them in the right or wrong
direction so i just i stepped upand i wanted to be there as a as
a father and a as a man figurefor all of my kids and make sure
that they're steered into theright direction or as best as I
can steer them until they areold enough to make their own

(59:20):
decisions.
But I hope that when they're oldenough, they still want to come
to me for advice and guidance.
So everyone's life is different.
Some people love what they doand that's all great.
So when that time comes for thatperson, they just have to under,
they have to realize that thisis what they really want.
And if it is, then they need tostep up.

SPEAKER_01 (59:43):
I love that.
Well, I think on this positivenote, I would like to wrap up
our conversation.
It was a pleasure talking toyou.
It was a pleasure.
Thank you for sharing.
Of course.
Anytime.
Thank you for sharing and thankyou for being on The Basic Show.
Thank you, Chase.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate you.
Thank you.
Bye.
Bye.

SPEAKER_02 (59:59):
Bye.

UNKNOWN (01:00:10):
Bye.
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