March 3, 2025 • 40 mins
Katherine Martín-Fisher welcomes Natalie Bedard, who leads a meditation session before delving into her early years and career aspirations. Natalie shares her healing journey, discussing the impact of others on her self-worth and overcoming personal challenges. They explore how Natalie assists clients with emotional blockages and identify her ideal client profile. The conversation covers societal judgment, authenticity, and preventing burnout while building a sustainable business. Natalie discusses shifting identity and self-acceptance, emphasizing the importance of raw truth and self-honesty. The episode concludes with how to contact Natalie and encourages listener engagement.
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I am Catherine Martin Fisher, and I helpbusiness owners who have lost their vision
because they're struggling with cash flow,sales, marketing, which also affects their
company culture, by showing them to implementproven systems that increase their revenue by
30% in ninety days, and this allowing them toreignite the passion and that big dream that
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they started with.
So the reason that I started this podcast wasto celebrate businesses who have overcome
adversity and have come out on the other sideof it.
And I want you to know that you are not alone.
Good afternoon.
This is Catherine, your host with the BeyondBusiness podcast.
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And I am so excited because we have Nat here.
She's with us now.
She has asked me to call her Nat Nat.
So I love this because it's so much fun.
It is it is a fun name, but it's NatalieBedard.
Bedard?
Bedard.
Bedard?
Yeah.
Okay.
Also known as Natnat, a beacon of resilienceand empowerment.
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In 02/2019, she founded Lift Oneself, offeringprofound energy healing services.
Despite grappling with life, threat with lifethreatening illness and single parenthood to
three boys, Natalie is a steadfast mentor onthe journey of self discovery and healing.
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With her profound understanding of the nervoussystem, she specializes in unraveling emotional
blockages and reigniting intuitive connections.
Natalie's trauma competent approach is trulytransformative.
She guides individuals who embrace theirfullest potential through small actionable
steps towards growth and transformation.
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It's about empowering people to navigate theirhealing journey with compassion, resilience,
and a
deep understanding of their unique experiences.
Safety and radical honest honesty are the keysto unlocking the mystery.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Thank you so much, Nat Nat.
Nice to see you.
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Thank you for having me, Catherine.
I'm really excited to be here and be with yourlisteners.
It's an honor and privilege, and I'm lookingforward to the playful conversation we're gonna
get into.
Well, I know that I'm excited about thisconversation because I do feel like so many
people need to understand their nervous systemand just how to empower themselves through just
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being able to get rid of some of thoseblockages.
And so I know that you've asked me if we coulddo a small meditation before we get started, so
I'm excited to do that.
And so if you are driving in a vehicle, pleasemake sure that you do not close your eyes.
I wanna make sure that I do put that out therefor, our listeners to be safe.
Yeah.
And even with the prompts that I'm gonna guideyou, if you're finding it's causing you to be
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too relaxed for the activity that you're doing,again, it's about safety.
Just fast forward over to our conversation.
And then when you're in a space where you canreally dive deep in the mindful moment, just
come back and do this for yourself.
So, Catherine, I'll ask you to get comfortablein your seat, and you're gonna gently close
your eyes.
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And you're gonna begin breathing in and outthrough your nose,
and you're gonna bring your awareness towatching your breath go in and out through your
nose.
You're not gonna try and control your breath.
You're just gonna be aware of its rhythm whilekeeping your awareness on watching your breath
go in and out through your nose.
There may be some sensations or feelings comingup in the body.
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Let them come up.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go.
Surrender the need to control.
Release the need to resist and just be.
Be with your breath.
Drop into your body, keeping your awareness onyour breath.
By now, there may be some thoughts or memoriesthat may have come up.
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It's fine.
Just gently bring your awareness back to yourbreath, dropping deeper into your body and
giving space between the thoughts, creating anopening for the feelings and sensations while
still staying with your breath.
Continue staying with your breath, droppingdeeper into your body, staying with your
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breath.
Now at your own time and at your own pace,you're gonna gently open your eyes while
staying with your breath.
Nice and relaxing way to start.
Okay.
So These are the mindful moments.
Yes.
Yes.
So, Nat Nat, I would love for you to bring ouraudience back to the just a little bit about
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your journey.
So what I what I do like to ask is what didwhat did your early years actually, how did
they help to create the aspirations of what youhave today as your career?
But I would like to kinda bring it back inalong your journey first and see, you know,
what was it that brought you to doing what youdo today?
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Well, in my childhood, I had a lot of trauma.
So in that trauma, there was a part where Ididn't feel worthy.
So my motivation wasn't there.
Academically, you know, I could score reallyhigh on those IQ tests that they would give,
yet in my work, it wasn't academically there.
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Yet I still had a profound way of doingcritical thinking.
I questioned everything.
I challenged the systems.
And so navigating in that becomes a terrainwhere it can be challenging to find that
connection when, you know, some of the adultsare not liking the questions that you're
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asking.
And, you know, because of the trauma when I wasa teen, I had an intuitive kind of dump of be a
child psychologist because you understand howdark the world is and how the adults don't
really listen to the children.
So really, you know, it was my higher selfspeaking to myself and my experience.
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And when I would express that to the onesaround me, it was like, well, that's too much
academic.
Then you have to be your own business.
So I had the naysayers in my life.
So I didn't follow that intuitive.
Yet how life would have it, I would become aparent at 20 I think, you know, parenting is
the highest spiritual practice you can have tolearn about yourself.
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So once I had my first son, he ignited thismotivation that I couldn't have for myself but
there was this human being that I had to bethere for.
So I was still going from the outside in andnavigating through.
And, you know, the one thing about myself isthat people always felt a safety of sharing
their stories with me.
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I'd always hear, I've never told anybody thisbefore, and I don't know why I feel, you know,
called to share this with you.
And I'm thinking in my head, I don't knowneither, but I would hold this space and listen
to it.
And I always had a profound wisdom ofpsychology already.
Like, I I really got it.
I didn't have to do the theories.
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I just really understood it from the inside.
And then, you know, fast forward was in thegovernment.
I was a security investigator.
I would do interviews.
And even in those interviews, when I would comeback to my supervisor, he would be like, why
did they tell you this stuff?
Like, we would never find out this information.
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And I I was like, I don't know.
Like, they just feel safe.
Must be my smile that just yet it was myempathy of nonjudgment and them feeling safety
in my nervous system to reveal themselves.
And then in 02/2010, I had twins, twin boys.
And then in 02/2013, I started to become ill.
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And, you know, in 02/2013, at the January, myfriend's son was murdered.
And so I held space for that, which, I come tolearn now.
I I went beyond the limits of what my body wascapable of doing.
And then in the February, I started gettingreally fatigued.
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Come wintertime, it became debilitating.
And then December, of 02/2013, I just crashed.
My body just shut down.
And so from December to March, I kept going tothe ER, and they kept saying, well, it's just
the flu where I couldn't walk.
My eyes were cross eyed.
I was in extreme pain.
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And then by the fifth visit, they said, youknow, let's do an MRI.
And they saw that there were lesions in mybrain stem and my cerebellum.
And it was a rush that, oh, you're possiblygonna die.
Let's admit you.
I was in there for forty days almost and abattery of tests.
And so that gave me an insight of my internaland see my the nervous system and what goes on.
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And then I was released without a diagnosis, sothat means no plan and you're in the
wilderness.
And then a year after that, I learnt meditationin the form of TM.
So that's when you're given a mantra.
And because I had death on my door, you know,my teacher had said most people when they learn
meditation after a certain stage, they dropout.
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And then a few years later, they come back.
I was like, oh, I totally understand why theydrop out.
The stuff that's coming up when I'm, being inthat stillness, it allowed me to do the somatic
releases.
So the meditation allowed me to connect into myworth and really feel my authentic emotions.
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And it was not a joyous time.
It was very challenging.
And I think that's the missing piece inhealing.
A lot of people think it's just gonna beunicorns and rainbows and so joyous, and it's
like, no.
It's there's some processing of the manure thatyou have to build your garden.
And when you're processing that manure, itdoesn't feel good.
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And I was a solo parent to the twin boys thatthey were now five years old.
And when they teach you meditation, they theytell you to cultivate a space where it's silent
and you can just do your practice.
And I'm like, I'm a solo mom with twin boysthat are fighting all the time and that are
high energy.
This I I did it a little bit, but they wouldcome and interrupt.
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So I was like, let me bring meditation in theliving room.
In my lived experience, and that allowed me toreally interact with my nervous system and
really understand more about how it tries tocontrol things, the negative bias of it, and
understand more about myself and my defensemechanisms and how my perception was seen at
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only one way and be able to shift that.
And I just, you know, went more and moreprofound within and took some other measures
that would not allow me to run away from myemotions to really be in that vulnerability and
that messiness of life.
So and then, you know, being the parent of thetwin boys, they showed me a reflection that I
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was willing to look at rather than shut itdown.
And it was warrior work, to go through that.
You know, I people used to be around me andsay, like, you know, you need to create a
company.
Like, it's profound when I'm around you and I'mable to just be vulnerable and explain, and
there's a shift and there's a calmness in me.
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So I meditated on it, and that's when I came upwith the name lift oneself.
So it's lifting the ego so you can be in theoneself.
And I understand that there there's a talkabout the death of the ego where the ego is
simply the defense mechanisms of the nervoussystem.
And you don't wanna kill your nervous systembecause you need your nervous system to be able
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to navigate.
So it's learning to be in harmony of thespiritual world and the human and merging them
together so that there's harmony and there'snot this one or the other.
Right.
And that takes, you know, radical honesty andsafety.
So that's why I
I do wanna ask you a question about just yourearly years because something resonated with
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me.
So you you felt in your younger years that youfelt unworthy.
What do you feel now being able to look back onthat?
What do you feel caused or made that feelingwithin you occur?
I couldn't make sense of my experience, andthere was nobody to connect with.
Like, my mother was there.
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Yeah.
My mother was going through her things too, so,emotionally, she wasn't available because she
wasn't even able to feel her own emotions.
And then there was you know, her family comesfrom trauma also.
You know, looking at it now with hindsight istwenty twenty that I can see that I was left
with this pain and trauma disconnects you fromself.
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Yet the process of healing is to connect youback into self and process these emotions
because perception will and as a child, youintake everything as personal.
So then there's something wrong with me thatthis happened.
There's some that can shift and see that it'ssomebody else and that's their problem.
But the majority of us, we see that we didsomething wrong, not seeing the other things
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that because we're told to blame rather thanhave context and let's have a dialogue about
this.
So that's what really got into and I felt thatI was othered because I even had challenging
conversations with god and, well, god must notlove me if these sexual trauma experiences
happen to me.
And so really having that disconnection andfeeling othered that I wasn't part of the good
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people.
I was outside of that circle.
So that's really that disassociation out of thebody and separating from self.
So along your journey, did you have anyinfluential people who helped you to navigate
through, like I mean, you've done you did acareer change because of your healing journey,
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But were there any influential people thathelped to to kinda guide you in a direction?
Not really.
No.
It was really was hangered in my masculineenergy because, like I said, I had my son.
So I would look at other people that werearound me, and it was like, okay.
Well, if they can, let me emulate.
And so there were people that were around methat did say certain things, yet I also wasn't
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in the space to receive.
So not being able to accept my my my light andmy intelligence because I didn't think I was
intelligent because I was told, well, you can'tdo the academic or this.
So even though people would tell me, like,you're really wise, I wouldn't be able to
receive that.
When the lesions happen, that's when somebodywas placed on my path, and that person is what
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mentored me back into my worth.
And, really, you know, some people may notunderstand this yet.
Once we connected, we understood that we kneweach other in a previous lifetime because just
the synergy and the vulnerability and beingable to understand the wisdom and everything
else.
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So, you know, in 02/2014, that's when, I wasable to receive a proper teacher to be able to
mention me in a way of coming back home withinmyself, not externally.
Can you maybe give us an example of just somesetbacks that may have happened along your
journey?
Setbacks?
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So as you're as you're growing and and I'lltell
you one story.
I'll tell
you the root.
Yeah.
I'll tell you one story, and it it like, Ishake my head with this.
I had a vehicle when I got into because I livein Canada.
There was an ice storm, and I flipped myvehicle.
And it was totaled.
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I came out un unharmed.
And so then I got into another vehicle.
My insurance didn't tell me that they weregonna drop me.
So I got this brand new vehicle.
And when an insurance drops you, then you're inthis kind of black market.
So I was paying because I leased my vehicle, Iwas paying 300 and something, say, for my
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vehicle, yet the insurance to insure thatvehicle was, like, $660.
So I stayed in that, and I worked three jobsjust to have a vehicle.
And it was almost like a thousand dollars tojust have this vehicle on the road because my
mind couldn't find a different solution.
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And I had already committed, so and, you know,a vehicle brings a lot of opportunity.
And so it was like, okay.
I I couldn't imagine, like, coming back intothe public system and reorganizing and all that
kind of stuff.
And so that allowed me to see the resilience ofcommitment that I can get into, yet also
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allowed me to see, like, I wasn't even able tohold a space to see what is a different
solution or open myself up to speak tosomebody.
And I went through that for, like, three, fouryears to just work on that and come back and
then come back into an insurance.
And like I said, like, my finances were I wasin so much debt before, I had the lesions and
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everything.
And once I had the lesions, I had to take amedical disability.
So I was on retirement.
So I had less funds, yet I transformed mylifestyle, and now I have no debt.
The only debt I have no debt that would be incredit card.
I have debt with mortgage and debt with myvehicle.
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Other than that, I transformed my wholerelationship with myself and currency, and I
faced my emotions.
So I wouldn't do that emotional spending tonumb and try to feel my worth and my safety and
my security in material things and objects.
So, you know, it took that transformation.
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Yet, you know, along my way, there were a lotof things that went on that people would be
like, you're like a lotus in the muck.
Like, there's so much muck in your life, yetyou still keep showing up.
Because there's a lot like, there's been a lotof deaths, a lot of friends that have passed
away or murdered.
And then, you know, just supporting my motherwith her mental health and having to go through
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that.
Even, you know, one time, I was fired from ajob because they were doing kind of PR stunts
because it was in the news that governmentemployees were using their emails
inappropriately.
So the way that government does is, well, we'llshow that we have let go of some people that
have done that.
So I was let go of that, yet, you know, whenthey say, when you have faith, you have to
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follow it.
It won't go by the way that your mind will go.
And from going through that, I it brought meinto a different opportunity that I couldn't
even imagine for myself.
Even though I had the ability of, like, oh mygosh.
I was let go of this esteemed place.
Yet with me being able to honor my truth andspeak about it, it allowed me to not have to
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hide in spaces and really open up in adifferent way, you know, propel myself within
the government in in different positions.
Because even with one of my interviews when Iwas a security investigator, we have to do
board and testing, and I had answered one ofthe answers wrong.
So he told HR, like, no.
She failed and she can't.
So I had called him to get some feedback andtell me what was wrong.
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And by explaining how I saw security, he wentback to HR and said, fix it.
I want her.
They were like, you can't.
Like, you told her no.
So, like, we can't do he was like, whatever youneed to do, fix it.
I want her now.
And it was possible.
So these things that I started, you know,expressing myself and being in my worth, still
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not fully, like, it took the lesions to get mein there, yet things that were not possible.
And I envision me seeing myself in that job.
So that vision board of really feeling it inyour body, you know, assisted with that.
Because even after HR was like, we've neverever done this.
Like, I don't even know how this was possible.
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Yet, you know, I have a lot of livedexperience.
And, you know, I understand that at times wehave a picture of the way that life is supposed
to go, yet recognize there's gonna bechallenges and there's gonna be pivoting.
Like, some there's gonna be some roads that areblocked, and you're just gonna have to do a
detour.
And, sure, it might be bumpy.
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It might have some potholes.
You might lose a tire for a minute and gottachange it, yet you're still on your
destination.
Right.
It's not always gonna be a smooth ride.
And I get that people want the smooth ride, yetthat's not how life is.
It's learning, how can I pivot in this?
How can I still show up?
So I wanna talk a little bit about how you areable to help clients to get rid of blockages or
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trauma and how how that is, you know, how isthat related to that nervous system like you
were talking about?
It's not about getting rid of.
It's about feeling, and we don't feel.
Yeah.
You see, most of us when we were young, we wentinto a room and we said something's wrong, yet
the adult said no.
No.
No.
There's nothing wrong.
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Everything's fine.
But our body's told us, like, the energy justfeels off.
Yet we said, okay.
Well, they must know better than us, and theywouldn't steer us wrong, and they're not gonna
lie to us.
So, obviously, what I'm feeling isn't right.
So we start disconnecting from our nervoussystem, which is a feeling where it's always
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trying to figure out the information that's outthere.
It's almost like a Wi Fi.
It's It's always gathering the information.
And so you start disconnecting and you startbelieving the lie.
So now it's to come back into feeling theseemotions and feeling your authentic emotions.
What I provide to people is safety for theirnervous system so their defense mechanisms can
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come down so that they can be in theirvulnerability, and it's the radical honesty.
To be radically honest with ourselves whenwe've been fed a lie that we don't know and
we're not good enough or what we see or feel,that's that's not valid.
That takes a lot of work to be able to seeyourself.
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And then the healing part is feeling, feelingthe emotions.
There was a woman this weekend where she saidher knee was bothering her.
I was like, oh, can I touch it?
And I touched.
She's like, how do you know it's right there?
I was like, let me just feel it out.
And then she's like, well, what could I do tobe better?
And I I sat back down and I looked at her.
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I'm like, do you really wanna hear it?
She's like, I don't know about that.
I and I was like she's like, yeah.
Okay.
I'm like, you're holding on to tension andstress and you're holding on to some anger.
She's like, and I'm like, you're just notfeeling it and you haven't given yourself a
space, so you're just storing it.
And your body now is giving you signals that Ican't I cannot hold on to this no more.
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So there's pain being signaled.
And she's like, right now, this is what I'mgoing through.
And I said, okay.
Well, you haven't engaged with your anger, soyou're going to engage with it.
Yell in a pillow or go in a forest and startyelling in there.
Take a rock.
Start smashing it down.
I'm like, even if you can, if you have thefinances, go find a smash room and give the
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anger allow the anger to have some expressionso the body can somatically release, so there
can be an opening so you can hear the messages.
You can feel the undercurrents of what's goingon, that you've been taking care of everybody
on the outside, yet you've put yourself in thebackground.
And now your body's like, you need to take careof yourself.
And she did that, and I just saw her yesterday.
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And she's like, I followed your example, and Iwent to the forest.
And she's like, right away, I felt an opening.
She's like, thank you for that.
Like, I could exhale.
And, you know, my challenges are still there,yet I'm I'm relating to it differently.
And I'm relating to myself differently.
So thank you for that.
So there's that the simplicity, yet you need totake the action and you need to be able to
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feel.
Yeah.
We're in a society that tells us don't feelpain.
Don't feel fear.
Don't be angry, where these are the significantparts to be in your portal and to listen to the
guidance and have a body that has energy andcan function properly.
Mhmm.
Love that.
So that being said, some let's I would wantedto ask you about how is it that what would be
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your perfect client, and how would they knowthat this is something that would resonate with
them and that would help them?
Well, if anything resonated that it felt like Iwas in your head at any time or some of these
stories or even just my voice and frequency,that is your nudge.
That is your nudge right there because yournervous system is feeling some coregulation
with me.
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It's anchoring into the safety that, okay, it'ssafe to come back into my body.
Because most people are in their head, and theywant healing, yet it requires you to come back
into your body and feel.
And so it's right there that they're willing torecognize that this is gonna be a process.
There's there's no magical quick fix of amiracle and everything is bliss.
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Like, the biggest thing with your journey isrecognizing there's no arrival.
It's learning to have the tools to keep ridingthe waves.
Sometimes the ocean is calm.
Sometimes it's tremendous.
Sometimes there's a tsunami, and you're gonnaget in the undercurrents and take in some
water, yet it will eventually dissipate.
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Yet it's learning to build these tools to taketime to check-in with your body and see what is
the inner experience, not the external.
Yes.
You look at it to see what why am I activated?
Why am I feeling the things I'm feeling?
And create the boundaries.
And the boundaries aren't for other people.
They're for yourself.
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So the ideal client is somebody that is willingto love themselves, to come back into being
worthy, a a person that is willing torecognize, you know what?
I really don't feel my emotions.
I do a la carte, and I really want this healingprocess.
I want a space where it's simple and it's noteasy to access.
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It's not gonna be, like, all fun and games, yetyou have a space where there's empowerment and
there's encouragement that you have thecapacity.
And a space of somebody witnessing the pain andnot trying to change it for you, allowing you
to see that you can navigate through it.
I love that.
You know what?
One of the things that I love what you saidwas, you know, sometimes people don't really
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know.
Like, they're they're in their head a lot.
How do you help somebody understand that?
Like, how do you what is it what kind ofprogram would they go through with you in order
for them to be able to understand how tonavigate that and whether they are in their
head?
Because I think there's an awareness.
People just aren't aware that that's whatthey're doing.
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Right?
Well, that breath that mindful moment I justdid at the beginning, that lets people know
right away.
Mhmm.
And they come to see me like, oh, I I'm I'mLisa, but I can come back to my focus, and I'm
not the thoughts.
But I think I'm the thoughts.
I'm identified with the thoughts and, oh,there's some feelings, but I don't wanna feel
this stuff in my body, so I just shut it off.
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And just from the neck up, I don't feel thisstuff that's going on.
I'm not listening to those signals.
And most times when people are just in myenergy field, they just feel a different way,
and they are their nervous system feels safety.
So they're able to interact and relate withthemselves differently, that they feel safe to
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be honest.
Because we're in a world that judges all thetime and tells you to be something other than
you are.
You can ask them.
Where a lot
of that comes from?
Yeah.
From the
Imagine all around us.
You know, you wanna offer that you're messy orthat you made a mistake.
Oh my gosh.
You can get chastised in certain careers andcertain studies.
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Mhmm.
So why why would I do that?
I'm gonna get punished for this.
And the punishment is in a sense of feelingdisconnected from those that you wanna belong
to, that you wanna be in connection with.
Like, all of a sudden, you wanna talk to yourbest friend, yet there's certain things that
you just don't wanna say because there's animage of yourself.
And if you go say this, it may shatter, andthen they're gonna look at you differently, and
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then they may not accept you.
These are the games that we play in our mindsand how we interact with other people because
we feel that we have to put up this sense ofpersona.
And sometimes we don't we're not even awarethat we put on this persona.
Like, how many women are told, well, I didn'tknow you were going through that because you
just had the shield of strength.
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Mhmm.
And right there, I would warn somebody.
If you see a lot of people that are strong,check-in with them.
Just check-in with them because most timespeople don't even check-in with them because
they think they have it all together.
Well, would you not agree that that a lot ofthat comes from social media and the fact that
in social media, we only show the reels of thehappy times and not you're not seeing the full
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picture.
And that all That's that is Hollywood.
When and it's performative.
Most people are performative.
They're not real.
So when people come in my my energy field,they're like, oh, there's some realness and
some depth.
And some people, they're like, you're going toodeep.
I I'm not going there.
Other times, they're like, okay.
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I'll I'll put my toe.
Yet it's like, whoo, bring me back up becauseyou go deep.
And the deepness is just the realness andtruth.
So I I'm gonna say this.
This is what I love about this conversation.
So we have a lot of business owners that listento the to this podcast, but it's the Beyond
Business podcast.
And what I'm finding is that there are a lot ofpeople who have gone through burnout, who are
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just they're exhausted, and they're redoingtheir life because they have they have burnt
themselves out with business and what they feellike they had.
They started out with this vision of this, youknow, this dream in their heart, but then they
quickly go into overwhelm.
Would you say that some of the work that you'reable to help them with could keep them from
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going through that burnout because now they'rekinda coming back to their authentic self and
their reason why they even started doing this?
Yes.
And, also, sometimes the burnout is neededbecause they're not willing to listen.
And so when you got burnout, you're stuck inyour body.
And you usually chastise yourself when you'rein burnout rather than ask the body, what do
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you need?
What can I shift and change?
Those lesions had me in my body, and I kickedand screamed and tried to stay the same path.
And I'm just gonna keep bulldozing, and it'slike, no surrender.
Accept yourself.
Have love.
Be in the vulnerability.
Be in your worth.
And also recognize a lot of entrepreneurs, theywanna offer service.
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Is it sustainable service for yourself?
Or are you in scarcity and desperate energy ofjust going, going, going?
Not all money is good money.
It's a currency.
Are you in the people and around the peoplethat would be able to be reciprocal and that
it's sustainable service?
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That's really great.
Just grab it all.
Grab it all.
It's all gonna leave.
Just go.
Go.
Go.
Grab.
Grab.
Grab.
Grab.
Grab all the opportunities.
And it's like, wait.
What about me?
Where am I in all of this?
Where am I reenergizing myself?
And is this sustainable for my personal life?
Because a lot of times burnout, you're not evenable to relate with those that are really in
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your personal.
Like, if you have a family or friends, they'relike, I haven't seen you in, like, how many
weeks or months because you're always busydoing work.
And it's like, well, I gotta build this thing.
But then after a while, that becomes a habitthat you don't even know how to come off of
this freeway and take the back roads and seethe country for a bit.
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So that being said, do you feel that whenpeople are able to do this from a healthy space
that they're able to build because they'redoing it from their authentic self versus that,
like you said, you create habits.
Right?
And you're not taking that time to you know,for that sacred space for yourself.
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Are you able to help people be able to besuccessful and grow their businesses, but yet
do it in a healthy way?
Yeah.
I have, you know, one client.
Her story, she was in university, and she had,like, a lot of adversity with the government,
not wanting to go in the government.
So she tried she graduated.
She also came off of her medication because shewanted to engage with the ADHD.
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And she got to see, like, how challenging itwas to build habits and build things in a
system for herself.
Yet then she had a surrender of, you know what?
I need the stepping stone of the government.
It's gonna provide me finances for right now,yet I can still recognize that I'm not gonna be
tethered to the paycheck.
It's gonna bring me to the fulfilling part ofwhat I really wanna create in the world.
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So navigating through the day like, you know,she had, like, I think, two or three different
employments before she's chosen the government.
And now she's moving to a totally differentcity to recreate.
So you know?
And then I have other ones where theyrecognize, wait.
This part of my business, it hasn't beenfulfilling to me.
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And I've been just dumping and dumping anddumping, but there's nothing being reciprocal
back to me.
But now I'm starting to see, like, this hasbeen a trauma response that I think that I have
to keep serving and people pleasing and doingthis to have a sense of worth and validation.
Because the world tells me I just have to keepgiving, giving, giving, and it's like,
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well, are you receiving from yourself?
Are you accepting yourself?
Are you checking in with what is required foryou?
And where is your identity?
What are you really identified with?
Because identity, if it's tethered a lot in theoutside, it will never be filled because all
those things are fleeting.
A lot of people's identities are in theirsuccess, their career, their materialistic
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things because it gives a sense of validationand adoration and feeling a sense of security.
Yet you have all of this and look at you'rerunning like a chicken with its head cut off to
try to sustain all of that.
Right.
So there's different shifts that go on that allof a sudden, like, I have to be in the middle
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here because I'm the one that's doing all ofthis.
Without me, it all corbels.
Right.
Like, how many people have been in a careerwhere you leave and you're replaced right away,
and that doesn't feel good?
That all of a sudden, like, I gave all my life,and you're not even caring about who I am or
even send a get well note.
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You just replace me right away.
And it's like, yeah.
It's a system.
It's a business system.
So if you're gonna run your business as anentrepreneur, recognize you're that
centerpiece.
Right.
And are you supporting that?
Love that.
I love that.
Well, I just would love for you to tell ouraudience how, they can find you, get in touch
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with you.
What's the best way to do that?
So my website is liftoneself.com, t 0 n e s e lf C 0 m.
They can do a fifteen minute discovery call tosee if there's something that we can work
together and create a plan of what that canlook like.
I also have my own podcast that's called liftoneself where I get into some deep dives of
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conversation with people around the world.
I also am on the social media, so I leave, youknow, information or grounding affirmations or
bring us into a meditation or reflection ofshifting our perception.
So I do the social media as a way of shiftingthe vibration on there.
Because it's like you said, everybody's puttingperfect in all this where it's like, where can
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I be real?
Like, can I find a space?
Maybe I I don't wanna present that, butenergetically, let me just feel it with myself.
And so I can come back into my body and and seethings and feel a sense of, oh, I can exhale.
I don't have to be all dressed up.
I can be in my raw truth for a moment.
Is
do you find that it's important to be able tobe in that raw truth even to others?
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I think it's most important with yourself firstbecause you can be harmed in that raw truth.
Like, this isn't about it's always aboutsafety.
And the healing process sometimes when you'rein vulnerability and you see all the things,
you just wanna project and dump it toeverybody.
And I just wanna be truthful, and I just I justto try to escape it, not recognize.
You can put yourself into harmful positions.
Like, there are predatory.
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Like, people do take advantage.
We the major like, all of us are self absorbed,have a a sense of narcissism, of wanting it our
way in a certain part.
Some people are high volume on that.
Some people are on low.
They can control it and recognize it.
Yet when you're doing this, it's you have to behonest with yourself.
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Clean out the house before presenting it toother people.
So I provide that sacred space so that you canstart making sense of things for yourself.
Okay.
Great.
Well, I just wanna say thank you so much forjust being on our podcast and and just you've
given us a wealth of information.
And so I am just so excited to have you here,and please reach out to Nat Nat.
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I mean, this is this has been a really greatconversation, so I thank you so much.
And, and, again, this is Catherine with theBeyond Business Podcast, and I'm just so happy
that we were able to have this time together.
Thank you for having me, Catherine.
And I wanna remind you and your listeners toplease remember to be kind to yourself.
You matter.
Thank you.
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Well, if you made it to this point, then youmade it to the end, and you are my star.
And I just wanna thank you from the bottom ofmy heart.
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And if you did, please leave us a review onApple Podcasts and Spotify and share this
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See you next week for all for a all newepisode.
I am Catherine Martin Fisher, and I helpbusiness owners who have lost their vision
because they're struggling with cash flow,sales, marketing, which also affects their
company culture, by showing them to implementproven systems that increase their revenue by
30% in ninety days, and this allowing them toreignite the passion and that big dream that
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they started with.
So the reason that I started this podcast wasto celebrate businesses who have overcome
adversity and have come out on the other sideof it.
And I want you to know that you are not alone.
Good afternoon.
This is Catherine, your host with the BeyondBusiness podcast.
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And I am so excited because we have Nat here.
She's with us now.
She has asked me to call her Nat Nat.
So I love this because it's so much fun.
It is it is a fun name, but it's NatalieBedard.
Bedard?
Bedard.
Bedard?
Yeah.
Okay.
Also known as Natnat, a beacon of resilienceand empowerment.
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In 02/2019, she founded Lift Oneself, offeringprofound energy healing services.
Despite grappling with life, threat with lifethreatening illness and single parenthood to
three boys, Natalie is a steadfast mentor onthe journey of self discovery and healing.
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With her profound understanding of the nervoussystem, she specializes in unraveling emotional
blockages and reigniting intuitive connections.
Natalie's trauma competent approach is trulytransformative.
She guides individuals who embrace theirfullest potential through small actionable
steps towards growth and transformation.
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It's about empowering people to navigate theirhealing journey with compassion, resilience,
and a
deep understanding of their unique experiences.
Safety and radical honest honesty are the keysto unlocking the mystery.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Thank you so much, Nat Nat.
Nice to see you.
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Thank you for having me, Catherine.
I'm really excited to be here and be with yourlisteners.
It's an honor and privilege, and I'm lookingforward to the playful conversation we're gonna
get into.
Well, I know that I'm excited about thisconversation because I do feel like so many
people need to understand their nervous systemand just how to empower themselves through just
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being able to get rid of some of thoseblockages.
And so I know that you've asked me if we coulddo a small meditation before we get started, so
I'm excited to do that.
And so if you are driving in a vehicle, pleasemake sure that you do not close your eyes.
I wanna make sure that I do put that out therefor, our listeners to be safe.
Yeah.
And even with the prompts that I'm gonna guideyou, if you're finding it's causing you to be
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too relaxed for the activity that you're doing,again, it's about safety.
Just fast forward over to our conversation.
And then when you're in a space where you canreally dive deep in the mindful moment, just
come back and do this for yourself.
So, Catherine, I'll ask you to get comfortablein your seat, and you're gonna gently close
your eyes.
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And you're gonna begin breathing in and outthrough your nose,
and you're gonna bring your awareness towatching your breath go in and out through your
nose.
You're not gonna try and control your breath.
You're just gonna be aware of its rhythm whilekeeping your awareness on watching your breath
go in and out through your nose.
There may be some sensations or feelings comingup in the body.
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Let them come up.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go.
Surrender the need to control.
Release the need to resist and just be.
Be with your breath.
Drop into your body, keeping your awareness onyour breath.
By now, there may be some thoughts or memoriesthat may have come up.
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It's fine.
Just gently bring your awareness back to yourbreath, dropping deeper into your body and
giving space between the thoughts, creating anopening for the feelings and sensations while
still staying with your breath.
Continue staying with your breath, droppingdeeper into your body, staying with your
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breath.
Now at your own time and at your own pace,you're gonna gently open your eyes while
staying with your breath.
Nice and relaxing way to start.
Okay.
So These are the mindful moments.
Yes.
Yes.
So, Nat Nat, I would love for you to bring ouraudience back to the just a little bit about
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your journey.
So what I what I do like to ask is what didwhat did your early years actually, how did
they help to create the aspirations of what youhave today as your career?
But I would like to kinda bring it back inalong your journey first and see, you know,
what was it that brought you to doing what youdo today?
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Well, in my childhood, I had a lot of trauma.
So in that trauma, there was a part where Ididn't feel worthy.
So my motivation wasn't there.
Academically, you know, I could score reallyhigh on those IQ tests that they would give,
yet in my work, it wasn't academically there.
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Yet I still had a profound way of doingcritical thinking.
I questioned everything.
I challenged the systems.
And so navigating in that becomes a terrainwhere it can be challenging to find that
connection when, you know, some of the adultsare not liking the questions that you're
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asking.
And, you know, because of the trauma when I wasa teen, I had an intuitive kind of dump of be a
child psychologist because you understand howdark the world is and how the adults don't
really listen to the children.
So really, you know, it was my higher selfspeaking to myself and my experience.
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And when I would express that to the onesaround me, it was like, well, that's too much
academic.
Then you have to be your own business.
So I had the naysayers in my life.
So I didn't follow that intuitive.
Yet how life would have it, I would become aparent at 20 I think, you know, parenting is
the highest spiritual practice you can have tolearn about yourself.
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So once I had my first son, he ignited thismotivation that I couldn't have for myself but
there was this human being that I had to bethere for.
So I was still going from the outside in andnavigating through.
And, you know, the one thing about myself isthat people always felt a safety of sharing
their stories with me.
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I'd always hear, I've never told anybody thisbefore, and I don't know why I feel, you know,
called to share this with you.
And I'm thinking in my head, I don't knowneither, but I would hold this space and listen
to it.
And I always had a profound wisdom ofpsychology already.
Like, I I really got it.
I didn't have to do the theories.
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I just really understood it from the inside.
And then, you know, fast forward was in thegovernment.
I was a security investigator.
I would do interviews.
And even in those interviews, when I would comeback to my supervisor, he would be like, why
did they tell you this stuff?
Like, we would never find out this information.
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And I I was like, I don't know.
Like, they just feel safe.
Must be my smile that just yet it was myempathy of nonjudgment and them feeling safety
in my nervous system to reveal themselves.
And then in 02/2010, I had twins, twin boys.
And then in 02/2013, I started to become ill.
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And, you know, in 02/2013, at the January, myfriend's son was murdered.
And so I held space for that, which, I come tolearn now.
I I went beyond the limits of what my body wascapable of doing.
And then in the February, I started gettingreally fatigued.
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Come wintertime, it became debilitating.
And then December, of 02/2013, I just crashed.
My body just shut down.
And so from December to March, I kept going tothe ER, and they kept saying, well, it's just
the flu where I couldn't walk.
My eyes were cross eyed.
I was in extreme pain.
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And then by the fifth visit, they said, youknow, let's do an MRI.
And they saw that there were lesions in mybrain stem and my cerebellum.
And it was a rush that, oh, you're possiblygonna die.
Let's admit you.
I was in there for forty days almost and abattery of tests.
And so that gave me an insight of my internaland see my the nervous system and what goes on.
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And then I was released without a diagnosis, sothat means no plan and you're in the
wilderness.
And then a year after that, I learnt meditationin the form of TM.
So that's when you're given a mantra.
And because I had death on my door, you know,my teacher had said most people when they learn
meditation after a certain stage, they dropout.
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And then a few years later, they come back.
I was like, oh, I totally understand why theydrop out.
The stuff that's coming up when I'm, being inthat stillness, it allowed me to do the somatic
releases.
So the meditation allowed me to connect into myworth and really feel my authentic emotions.
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And it was not a joyous time.
It was very challenging.
And I think that's the missing piece inhealing.
A lot of people think it's just gonna beunicorns and rainbows and so joyous, and it's
like, no.
It's there's some processing of the manure thatyou have to build your garden.
And when you're processing that manure, itdoesn't feel good.
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And I was a solo parent to the twin boys thatthey were now five years old.
And when they teach you meditation, they theytell you to cultivate a space where it's silent
and you can just do your practice.
And I'm like, I'm a solo mom with twin boysthat are fighting all the time and that are
high energy.
This I I did it a little bit, but they wouldcome and interrupt.
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So I was like, let me bring meditation in theliving room.
In my lived experience, and that allowed me toreally interact with my nervous system and
really understand more about how it tries tocontrol things, the negative bias of it, and
understand more about myself and my defensemechanisms and how my perception was seen at
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only one way and be able to shift that.
And I just, you know, went more and moreprofound within and took some other measures
that would not allow me to run away from myemotions to really be in that vulnerability and
that messiness of life.
So and then, you know, being the parent of thetwin boys, they showed me a reflection that I
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was willing to look at rather than shut itdown.
And it was warrior work, to go through that.
You know, I people used to be around me andsay, like, you know, you need to create a
company.
Like, it's profound when I'm around you and I'mable to just be vulnerable and explain, and
there's a shift and there's a calmness in me.
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So I meditated on it, and that's when I came upwith the name lift oneself.
So it's lifting the ego so you can be in theoneself.
And I understand that there there's a talkabout the death of the ego where the ego is
simply the defense mechanisms of the nervoussystem.
And you don't wanna kill your nervous systembecause you need your nervous system to be able
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to navigate.
So it's learning to be in harmony of thespiritual world and the human and merging them
together so that there's harmony and there'snot this one or the other.
Right.
And that takes, you know, radical honesty andsafety.
So that's why I
I do wanna ask you a question about just yourearly years because something resonated with
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me.
So you you felt in your younger years that youfelt unworthy.
What do you feel now being able to look back onthat?
What do you feel caused or made that feelingwithin you occur?
I couldn't make sense of my experience, andthere was nobody to connect with.
Like, my mother was there.
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Yeah.
My mother was going through her things too, so,emotionally, she wasn't available because she
wasn't even able to feel her own emotions.
And then there was you know, her family comesfrom trauma also.
You know, looking at it now with hindsight istwenty twenty that I can see that I was left
with this pain and trauma disconnects you fromself.
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Yet the process of healing is to connect youback into self and process these emotions
because perception will and as a child, youintake everything as personal.
So then there's something wrong with me thatthis happened.
There's some that can shift and see that it'ssomebody else and that's their problem.
But the majority of us, we see that we didsomething wrong, not seeing the other things
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that because we're told to blame rather thanhave context and let's have a dialogue about
this.
So that's what really got into and I felt thatI was othered because I even had challenging
conversations with god and, well, god must notlove me if these sexual trauma experiences
happen to me.
And so really having that disconnection andfeeling othered that I wasn't part of the good
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people.
I was outside of that circle.
So that's really that disassociation out of thebody and separating from self.
So along your journey, did you have anyinfluential people who helped you to navigate
through, like I mean, you've done you did acareer change because of your healing journey,
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But were there any influential people thathelped to to kinda guide you in a direction?
Not really.
No.
It was really was hangered in my masculineenergy because, like I said, I had my son.
So I would look at other people that werearound me, and it was like, okay.
Well, if they can, let me emulate.
And so there were people that were around methat did say certain things, yet I also wasn't
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in the space to receive.
So not being able to accept my my my light andmy intelligence because I didn't think I was
intelligent because I was told, well, you can'tdo the academic or this.
So even though people would tell me, like,you're really wise, I wouldn't be able to
receive that.
When the lesions happen, that's when somebodywas placed on my path, and that person is what
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mentored me back into my worth.
And, really, you know, some people may notunderstand this yet.
Once we connected, we understood that we kneweach other in a previous lifetime because just
the synergy and the vulnerability and beingable to understand the wisdom and everything
else.
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So, you know, in 02/2014, that's when, I wasable to receive a proper teacher to be able to
mention me in a way of coming back home withinmyself, not externally.
Can you maybe give us an example of just somesetbacks that may have happened along your
journey?
Setbacks?
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So as you're as you're growing and and I'lltell
you one story.
I'll tell
you the root.
Yeah.
I'll tell you one story, and it it like, Ishake my head with this.
I had a vehicle when I got into because I livein Canada.
There was an ice storm, and I flipped myvehicle.
And it was totaled.
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I came out un unharmed.
And so then I got into another vehicle.
My insurance didn't tell me that they weregonna drop me.
So I got this brand new vehicle.
And when an insurance drops you, then you're inthis kind of black market.
So I was paying because I leased my vehicle, Iwas paying 300 and something, say, for my
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vehicle, yet the insurance to insure thatvehicle was, like, $660.
So I stayed in that, and I worked three jobsjust to have a vehicle.
And it was almost like a thousand dollars tojust have this vehicle on the road because my
mind couldn't find a different solution.
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And I had already committed, so and, you know,a vehicle brings a lot of opportunity.
And so it was like, okay.
I I couldn't imagine, like, coming back intothe public system and reorganizing and all that
kind of stuff.
And so that allowed me to see the resilience ofcommitment that I can get into, yet also
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allowed me to see, like, I wasn't even able tohold a space to see what is a different
solution or open myself up to speak tosomebody.
And I went through that for, like, three, fouryears to just work on that and come back and
then come back into an insurance.
And like I said, like, my finances were I wasin so much debt before, I had the lesions and
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everything.
And once I had the lesions, I had to take amedical disability.
So I was on retirement.
So I had less funds, yet I transformed mylifestyle, and now I have no debt.
The only debt I have no debt that would be incredit card.
I have debt with mortgage and debt with myvehicle.
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Other than that, I transformed my wholerelationship with myself and currency, and I
faced my emotions.
So I wouldn't do that emotional spending tonumb and try to feel my worth and my safety and
my security in material things and objects.
So, you know, it took that transformation.
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Yet, you know, along my way, there were a lotof things that went on that people would be
like, you're like a lotus in the muck.
Like, there's so much muck in your life, yetyou still keep showing up.
Because there's a lot like, there's been a lotof deaths, a lot of friends that have passed
away or murdered.
And then, you know, just supporting my motherwith her mental health and having to go through
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that.
Even, you know, one time, I was fired from ajob because they were doing kind of PR stunts
because it was in the news that governmentemployees were using their emails
inappropriately.
So the way that government does is, well, we'llshow that we have let go of some people that
have done that.
So I was let go of that, yet, you know, whenthey say, when you have faith, you have to
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follow it.
It won't go by the way that your mind will go.
And from going through that, I it brought meinto a different opportunity that I couldn't
even imagine for myself.
Even though I had the ability of, like, oh mygosh.
I was let go of this esteemed place.
Yet with me being able to honor my truth andspeak about it, it allowed me to not have to
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hide in spaces and really open up in adifferent way, you know, propel myself within
the government in in different positions.
Because even with one of my interviews when Iwas a security investigator, we have to do
board and testing, and I had answered one ofthe answers wrong.
So he told HR, like, no.
She failed and she can't.
So I had called him to get some feedback andtell me what was wrong.
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And by explaining how I saw security, he wentback to HR and said, fix it.
I want her.
They were like, you can't.
Like, you told her no.
So, like, we can't do he was like, whatever youneed to do, fix it.
I want her now.
And it was possible.
So these things that I started, you know,expressing myself and being in my worth, still
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not fully, like, it took the lesions to get mein there, yet things that were not possible.
And I envision me seeing myself in that job.
So that vision board of really feeling it inyour body, you know, assisted with that.
Because even after HR was like, we've neverever done this.
Like, I don't even know how this was possible.
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Yet, you know, I have a lot of livedexperience.
And, you know, I understand that at times wehave a picture of the way that life is supposed
to go, yet recognize there's gonna bechallenges and there's gonna be pivoting.
Like, some there's gonna be some roads that areblocked, and you're just gonna have to do a
detour.
And, sure, it might be bumpy.
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It might have some potholes.
You might lose a tire for a minute and gottachange it, yet you're still on your
destination.
Right.
It's not always gonna be a smooth ride.
And I get that people want the smooth ride, yetthat's not how life is.
It's learning, how can I pivot in this?
How can I still show up?
So I wanna talk a little bit about how you areable to help clients to get rid of blockages or
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trauma and how how that is, you know, how isthat related to that nervous system like you
were talking about?
It's not about getting rid of.
It's about feeling, and we don't feel.
Yeah.
You see, most of us when we were young, we wentinto a room and we said something's wrong, yet
the adult said no.
No.
No.
There's nothing wrong.
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Everything's fine.
But our body's told us, like, the energy justfeels off.
Yet we said, okay.
Well, they must know better than us, and theywouldn't steer us wrong, and they're not gonna
lie to us.
So, obviously, what I'm feeling isn't right.
So we start disconnecting from our nervoussystem, which is a feeling where it's always
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trying to figure out the information that's outthere.
It's almost like a Wi Fi.
It's It's always gathering the information.
And so you start disconnecting and you startbelieving the lie.
So now it's to come back into feeling theseemotions and feeling your authentic emotions.
What I provide to people is safety for theirnervous system so their defense mechanisms can
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come down so that they can be in theirvulnerability, and it's the radical honesty.
To be radically honest with ourselves whenwe've been fed a lie that we don't know and
we're not good enough or what we see or feel,that's that's not valid.
That takes a lot of work to be able to seeyourself.
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And then the healing part is feeling, feelingthe emotions.
There was a woman this weekend where she saidher knee was bothering her.
I was like, oh, can I touch it?
And I touched.
She's like, how do you know it's right there?
I was like, let me just feel it out.
And then she's like, well, what could I do tobe better?
And I I sat back down and I looked at her.
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I'm like, do you really wanna hear it?
She's like, I don't know about that.
I and I was like she's like, yeah.
Okay.
I'm like, you're holding on to tension andstress and you're holding on to some anger.
She's like, and I'm like, you're just notfeeling it and you haven't given yourself a
space, so you're just storing it.
And your body now is giving you signals that Ican't I cannot hold on to this no more.
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So there's pain being signaled.
And she's like, right now, this is what I'mgoing through.
And I said, okay.
Well, you haven't engaged with your anger, soyou're going to engage with it.
Yell in a pillow or go in a forest and startyelling in there.
Take a rock.
Start smashing it down.
I'm like, even if you can, if you have thefinances, go find a smash room and give the
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anger allow the anger to have some expressionso the body can somatically release, so there
can be an opening so you can hear the messages.
You can feel the undercurrents of what's goingon, that you've been taking care of everybody
on the outside, yet you've put yourself in thebackground.
And now your body's like, you need to take careof yourself.
And she did that, and I just saw her yesterday.
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And she's like, I followed your example, and Iwent to the forest.
And she's like, right away, I felt an opening.
She's like, thank you for that.
Like, I could exhale.
And, you know, my challenges are still there,yet I'm I'm relating to it differently.
And I'm relating to myself differently.
So thank you for that.
So there's that the simplicity, yet you need totake the action and you need to be able to
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feel.
Yeah.
We're in a society that tells us don't feelpain.
Don't feel fear.
Don't be angry, where these are the significantparts to be in your portal and to listen to the
guidance and have a body that has energy andcan function properly.
Mhmm.
Love that.
So that being said, some let's I would wantedto ask you about how is it that what would be
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your perfect client, and how would they knowthat this is something that would resonate with
them and that would help them?
Well, if anything resonated that it felt like Iwas in your head at any time or some of these
stories or even just my voice and frequency,that is your nudge.
That is your nudge right there because yournervous system is feeling some coregulation
with me.
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It's anchoring into the safety that, okay, it'ssafe to come back into my body.
Because most people are in their head, and theywant healing, yet it requires you to come back
into your body and feel.
And so it's right there that they're willing torecognize that this is gonna be a process.
There's there's no magical quick fix of amiracle and everything is bliss.
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Like, the biggest thing with your journey isrecognizing there's no arrival.
It's learning to have the tools to keep ridingthe waves.
Sometimes the ocean is calm.
Sometimes it's tremendous.
Sometimes there's a tsunami, and you're gonnaget in the undercurrents and take in some
water, yet it will eventually dissipate.
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Yet it's learning to build these tools to taketime to check-in with your body and see what is
the inner experience, not the external.
Yes.
You look at it to see what why am I activated?
Why am I feeling the things I'm feeling?
And create the boundaries.
And the boundaries aren't for other people.
They're for yourself.
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So the ideal client is somebody that is willingto love themselves, to come back into being
worthy, a a person that is willing torecognize, you know what?
I really don't feel my emotions.
I do a la carte, and I really want this healingprocess.
I want a space where it's simple and it's noteasy to access.
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It's not gonna be, like, all fun and games, yetyou have a space where there's empowerment and
there's encouragement that you have thecapacity.
And a space of somebody witnessing the pain andnot trying to change it for you, allowing you
to see that you can navigate through it.
I love that.
You know what?
One of the things that I love what you saidwas, you know, sometimes people don't really
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know.
Like, they're they're in their head a lot.
How do you help somebody understand that?
Like, how do you what is it what kind ofprogram would they go through with you in order
for them to be able to understand how tonavigate that and whether they are in their
head?
Because I think there's an awareness.
People just aren't aware that that's whatthey're doing.
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Right?
Well, that breath that mindful moment I justdid at the beginning, that lets people know
right away.
Mhmm.
And they come to see me like, oh, I I'm I'mLisa, but I can come back to my focus, and I'm
not the thoughts.
But I think I'm the thoughts.
I'm identified with the thoughts and, oh,there's some feelings, but I don't wanna feel
this stuff in my body, so I just shut it off.
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And just from the neck up, I don't feel thisstuff that's going on.
I'm not listening to those signals.
And most times when people are just in myenergy field, they just feel a different way,
and they are their nervous system feels safety.
So they're able to interact and relate withthemselves differently, that they feel safe to
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be honest.
Because we're in a world that judges all thetime and tells you to be something other than
you are.
You can ask them.
Where a lot
of that comes from?
Yeah.
From the
Imagine all around us.
You know, you wanna offer that you're messy orthat you made a mistake.
Oh my gosh.
You can get chastised in certain careers andcertain studies.
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Mhmm.
So why why would I do that?
I'm gonna get punished for this.
And the punishment is in a sense of feelingdisconnected from those that you wanna belong
to, that you wanna be in connection with.
Like, all of a sudden, you wanna talk to yourbest friend, yet there's certain things that
you just don't wanna say because there's animage of yourself.
And if you go say this, it may shatter, andthen they're gonna look at you differently, and
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then they may not accept you.
These are the games that we play in our mindsand how we interact with other people because
we feel that we have to put up this sense ofpersona.
And sometimes we don't we're not even awarethat we put on this persona.
Like, how many women are told, well, I didn'tknow you were going through that because you
just had the shield of strength.
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Mhmm.
And right there, I would warn somebody.
If you see a lot of people that are strong,check-in with them.
Just check-in with them because most timespeople don't even check-in with them because
they think they have it all together.
Well, would you not agree that that a lot ofthat comes from social media and the fact that
in social media, we only show the reels of thehappy times and not you're not seeing the full
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picture.
And that all That's that is Hollywood.
When and it's performative.
Most people are performative.
They're not real.
So when people come in my my energy field,they're like, oh, there's some realness and
some depth.
And some people, they're like, you're going toodeep.
I I'm not going there.
Other times, they're like, okay.
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I'll I'll put my toe.
Yet it's like, whoo, bring me back up becauseyou go deep.
And the deepness is just the realness andtruth.
So I I'm gonna say this.
This is what I love about this conversation.
So we have a lot of business owners that listento the to this podcast, but it's the Beyond
Business podcast.
And what I'm finding is that there are a lot ofpeople who have gone through burnout, who are
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just they're exhausted, and they're redoingtheir life because they have they have burnt
themselves out with business and what they feellike they had.
They started out with this vision of this, youknow, this dream in their heart, but then they
quickly go into overwhelm.
Would you say that some of the work that you'reable to help them with could keep them from
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going through that burnout because now they'rekinda coming back to their authentic self and
their reason why they even started doing this?
Yes.
And, also, sometimes the burnout is neededbecause they're not willing to listen.
And so when you got burnout, you're stuck inyour body.
And you usually chastise yourself when you'rein burnout rather than ask the body, what do
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you need?
What can I shift and change?
Those lesions had me in my body, and I kickedand screamed and tried to stay the same path.
And I'm just gonna keep bulldozing, and it'slike, no surrender.
Accept yourself.
Have love.
Be in the vulnerability.
Be in your worth.
And also recognize a lot of entrepreneurs, theywanna offer service.
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Is it sustainable service for yourself?
Or are you in scarcity and desperate energy ofjust going, going, going?
Not all money is good money.
It's a currency.
Are you in the people and around the peoplethat would be able to be reciprocal and that
it's sustainable service?
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That's really great.
Just grab it all.
Grab it all.
It's all gonna leave.
Just go.
Go.
Go.
Grab.
Grab.
Grab.
Grab.
Grab all the opportunities.
And it's like, wait.
What about me?
Where am I in all of this?
Where am I reenergizing myself?
And is this sustainable for my personal life?
Because a lot of times burnout, you're not evenable to relate with those that are really in
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your personal.
Like, if you have a family or friends, they'relike, I haven't seen you in, like, how many
weeks or months because you're always busydoing work.
And it's like, well, I gotta build this thing.
But then after a while, that becomes a habitthat you don't even know how to come off of
this freeway and take the back roads and seethe country for a bit.
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So that being said, do you feel that whenpeople are able to do this from a healthy space
that they're able to build because they'redoing it from their authentic self versus that,
like you said, you create habits.
Right?
And you're not taking that time to you know,for that sacred space for yourself.
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Are you able to help people be able to besuccessful and grow their businesses, but yet
do it in a healthy way?
Yeah.
I have, you know, one client.
Her story, she was in university, and she had,like, a lot of adversity with the government,
not wanting to go in the government.
So she tried she graduated.
She also came off of her medication because shewanted to engage with the ADHD.
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And she got to see, like, how challenging itwas to build habits and build things in a
system for herself.
Yet then she had a surrender of, you know what?
I need the stepping stone of the government.
It's gonna provide me finances for right now,yet I can still recognize that I'm not gonna be
tethered to the paycheck.
It's gonna bring me to the fulfilling part ofwhat I really wanna create in the world.
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So navigating through the day like, you know,she had, like, I think, two or three different
employments before she's chosen the government.
And now she's moving to a totally differentcity to recreate.
So you know?
And then I have other ones where theyrecognize, wait.
This part of my business, it hasn't beenfulfilling to me.
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And I've been just dumping and dumping anddumping, but there's nothing being reciprocal
back to me.
But now I'm starting to see, like, this hasbeen a trauma response that I think that I have
to keep serving and people pleasing and doingthis to have a sense of worth and validation.
Because the world tells me I just have to keepgiving, giving, giving, and it's like,
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well, are you receiving from yourself?
Are you accepting yourself?
Are you checking in with what is required foryou?
And where is your identity?
What are you really identified with?
Because identity, if it's tethered a lot in theoutside, it will never be filled because all
those things are fleeting.
A lot of people's identities are in theirsuccess, their career, their materialistic
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things because it gives a sense of validationand adoration and feeling a sense of security.
Yet you have all of this and look at you'rerunning like a chicken with its head cut off to
try to sustain all of that.
Right.
So there's different shifts that go on that allof a sudden, like, I have to be in the middle
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here because I'm the one that's doing all ofthis.
Without me, it all corbels.
Right.
Like, how many people have been in a careerwhere you leave and you're replaced right away,
and that doesn't feel good?
That all of a sudden, like, I gave all my life,and you're not even caring about who I am or
even send a get well note.
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You just replace me right away.
And it's like, yeah.
It's a system.
It's a business system.
So if you're gonna run your business as anentrepreneur, recognize you're that
centerpiece.
Right.
And are you supporting that?
Love that.
I love that.
Well, I just would love for you to tell ouraudience how, they can find you, get in touch
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with you.
What's the best way to do that?
So my website is liftoneself.com, t 0 n e s e lf C 0 m.
They can do a fifteen minute discovery call tosee if there's something that we can work
together and create a plan of what that canlook like.
I also have my own podcast that's called liftoneself where I get into some deep dives of
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conversation with people around the world.
I also am on the social media, so I leave, youknow, information or grounding affirmations or
bring us into a meditation or reflection ofshifting our perception.
So I do the social media as a way of shiftingthe vibration on there.
Because it's like you said, everybody's puttingperfect in all this where it's like, where can
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I be real?
Like, can I find a space?
Maybe I I don't wanna present that, butenergetically, let me just feel it with myself.
And so I can come back into my body and and seethings and feel a sense of, oh, I can exhale.
I don't have to be all dressed up.
I can be in my raw truth for a moment.
Is
do you find that it's important to be able tobe in that raw truth even to others?
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I think it's most important with yourself firstbecause you can be harmed in that raw truth.
Like, this isn't about it's always aboutsafety.
And the healing process sometimes when you'rein vulnerability and you see all the things,
you just wanna project and dump it toeverybody.
And I just wanna be truthful, and I just I justto try to escape it, not recognize.
You can put yourself into harmful positions.
Like, there are predatory.
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Like, people do take advantage.
We the major like, all of us are self absorbed,have a a sense of narcissism, of wanting it our
way in a certain part.
Some people are high volume on that.
Some people are on low.
They can control it and recognize it.
Yet when you're doing this, it's you have to behonest with yourself.
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Clean out the house before presenting it toother people.
So I provide that sacred space so that you canstart making sense of things for yourself.
Okay.
Great.
Well, I just wanna say thank you so much forjust being on our podcast and and just you've
given us a wealth of information.
And so I am just so excited to have you here,and please reach out to Nat Nat.
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I mean, this is this has been a really greatconversation, so I thank you so much.
And, and, again, this is Catherine with theBeyond Business Podcast, and I'm just so happy
that we were able to have this time together.
Thank you for having me, Catherine.
And I wanna remind you and your listeners toplease remember to be kind to yourself.
You matter.
Thank you.
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Well, if you made it to this point, then youmade it to the end, and you are my star.
And I just wanna thank you from the bottom ofmy heart.
I hope that you enjoyed the conversation withtoday's guest.
And if you did, please leave us a review onApple Podcasts and Spotify and share this
episode with others who may be interested inthis topic.
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