May 22, 2025 • 31 mins
Join Katherine Martín-Fisher as she chats with Ryan Christensen about his journey from military service to hypnosis practitioner. Ryan dispels hypnosis myths, shares a client success story, and explains session dynamics. He discusses business challenges, client backgrounds, and transformative outcomes. Ryan also touches on living with autism and his military experiences. The episode wraps up with insights on ideal clients, benefits of virtual sessions, and how to connect with Ryan, along with key takeaways and listener engagement.
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I am Katherine Martín-Fisher, and I helpbusiness owners who have lost their vision
because they're struggling with cash flow,sales, and marketing, which also affects their
company culture.
By showing them to implement proven systemsthat increase their revenue by 30% in 90 days,
and this allows them to reignite the passionand that big dream that they started with.
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So, the reason that I started this podcast wasto celebrate businesses that have overcome
adversity and have come out on the other sideof it.
And I want you to know that you are not alone.
Good afternoon, this is Katherine, your hostwith The Beyond Business Podcast.
I'm excited to introduce you to RyanChristensen.
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He's a hypnotist and author focusing on peakmental performance, emotional resilience, and
life satisfaction.
Ryan leverages his decades of experience in themilitary, counterterrorism, and
counter-proliferation worlds to dive deep andrapidly identify the core beliefs holding his
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clients back.
This is a really great topic, Ryan.
I'm excited to dive into why you do what youdo, how you do it, and how you serve the world.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
It's an honor to be here.
So this is so interesting.
From military and terrorism and all of thesethings that you've done, how did you wind up in
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hypnosis?
Well, back in 2019, 2020, I started doing a lotof work on myself after my second divorce,
trying to get back in the dating scene andrealizing that there was a lot of stuff built
up over the years that I had just not reallyaddressed.
So I got into a couple of different men'sgroups to start the self-improvement journey
and one of them had a hypnotist talk abouttoxic shame and emotional baggage.
Well, you know, raised Catholic, got some ofthat, so I did a couple of sessions with him
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and just felt lighter.
You know, carrying around 50 pounds of stuff,you get rid of 20 pounds, everything's easier.
I was at that point in my career where it wastime to do something new and that really just
kind of caught my attention.
I realized that I spent 23 years trying to savethe world, well I'm clearly in the wrong line
of business.
That's when I made that transition to helppeople one on one.
And seeing how effective and how rapidly youcan make some really big shifts with hypnosis
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really caught my eye.
So down the road we went.
Can you walk us through what hypnosis actuallyis and you know what it isn't because that's,
you know, that can be a misconception thatpeople have with hypnosis.
percent.
So hypnosis really from my perspective is justa set of techniques that gives me more direct
access to your unconscious mind.
That's it.
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The art and the science of it is like what youdo when you're there.
Now if I open the door to the back of yourhead, what do we do to play with?
Right?
A lot of people look at it in terms of likemind control or they see the stupid stuff that
people do on stage, and that's not really howit goes.
It's a voluntary process.
I'm leading you through this process to get youdown there, and you have to decide to go with
me.
If you decide not to, I can't do anything withyou; that's just not the way it works.
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What you see on stage is the hypnotist, beforehe even brings everybody up, he's doing a lot
of stuff with the audience just kind of seeingwho's responding.
Right, it's like, okay, these people here,they're responding, great, you all come up.
Why?
Because they want to play the game.
Alright, they know they're gonna be going up,they're doing stupid stuff.
So they break some people if they want to play,do some more testing, okay, you people, you
know, you're five actually really want to playthe game, you're ready to do some silly stuff,
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let's have some fun.
And so they've already decided to play thatgame.
But hypnosis, once you get down there, there'sso many different things you can do.
Weight loss, stop smoking, you can actuallyhave somebody stop smoking in a single session,
it's like one of the most effective tools to doit.
There's something called hypnobirthing wherethey use hypnosis for pain control during
childbirth.
But I'm an intel guy.
I'm curious about the way people work and whatdrives them and why they kind of hold
themselves back and all the answers are hiddenin the back of their head.
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So might as well go where the answers are.
I love that you shared that.
So that's what they do when they're in anaudience; they have an audience there, so
that's how you know who actually wants to playthe game, and that's why it works.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Well, that's so interesting.
It's the first time I've heard that.
Yeah, yeah, well, that's the thing.
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It's like, oh my God, you're going to make mecluck like a chicken, and I was like, no,
that's boring to me.
I'd have to charge you extra for that.
But the people that go to the show, they knowthey're going to see a hypnotist, they know
they're gonna be seeing stupid people do stupidstuff, right?
So everybody's there for the show, and as he'sdoing, you know, working the crowd at the
beginning of the thing, he's saying, okay,these are the people that are really
responding, these are the ones who want to comeup and play.
Nobody else really does.
If I'm sitting there and I'm just like lookinglike, okay, whatever, he's not gonna call me.
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Why?
Because I don't want to play the game.
Right.
Cooperative don't want to do the thing.
So that wouldn't make for a good show.
So I'd love for you to share with our audienceand give us an example of someone you've worked
with that came to you, you know, you don't haveto give us their name, but just that came to
you, and you were able to see them have thatmoment as they've worked with you and get to
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the other side of whatever that was that theywere stuck in.
So I think a beautiful example, this was aclient of mine named Elliot.
I've got a testimony from her up on my YouTube,but she came to me, she was really kind of
stuck, had always had problems withrelationships, you know, always had trust
issues and stuff like that.
And she's also having really a lot of troublein her business, really being able to put 100%
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into it.
And so working with her, we really kind of gotdown to this like core self-esteem issues, you
know, these things are like there's somethingwrong with me, I'm not enough, not enough, I
really can't put myself out there, can't showthe world who I am.
And once you shift that from there's somethingwrong with me to there's nothing wrong with me
to from a not good enough to I am good enough,well, there's nothing to hide about yourself
anymore.
Right?
So you can show the world who you are.
You're not worried about how people see you.
You're not worried about how people are judgingyour work, and that also plays out in
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relationships.
So she actually got engaged to her, to herboyfriend and to her partner at the time, like,
why don't you sessions in?
Just a couple weeks after she started workingwith me.
So you can have some massive, massive shiftsvery, very fast.
Do you find that right now, humanity I do feelis changing and shifting and getting becoming
more okay with these types of therapies.
Right?
So what would you say are the misconceptionsthat people have when it comes to hypnosis and
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and working with people?
So I find that people are more open to it.
So there is a shift that's occurring.
But if you wanted to explain to our audience,what are the misconceptions that they need to
get over so that they can actually have resultslike what you're talking about with helping
people through whether it be their business,their life, and things that they're stuck in.
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One of my mentors used to say that people go toa hypnotist because they can't find witch
doctor in the phone book, and these days youcan, right?
But it shows, quite frankly, that we're reallybecoming aware of the limits of the work we do
on a conscious level.
If I'm going to traditional therapy or internalfamily systems and that sort of stuff, I'm
having a conversation, which means that wallbetween your conscious and your unconscious
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mind, something we call the critical factor ofneurosis, that sucker's up.
So I don't actually have access, direct access,to your unconscious mind.
Everything's mediated through consciousness,and we're doing it on a very rational level,
right?
This issue, this event, this trauma, treesrather than the forest, right?
So there's a whole other side of your mindthat's looking at the forest, looking at those
patterns over time, looking at the narrativesthat run through things, right?
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And to get down there, psychedelics andhypnosis are pretty much the only things that
get you there, right?
Psychedelics are gonna be their own journey,take you wherever they want, don't really have
any control, and there's limits to the amountof change you can do down there.
But with hypnosis, you get to open up the door,go down there, stay down there as long as I
need to do all the work I need to do to fixthings, and then come back.
The single biggest thing that I think peoplemisunderstand about hypnosis, that voluntary
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aspect is very, very important.
You have to be willing to allow me to lead youthrough that process.
You gotta be willing to go wherever we need togo.
And sometimes that means owning things aboutyourself you don't like.
Sometimes that means letting things be truethat you've been trying to prove wrong your
entire life, but they only have to be true longenough in order to do something with it.
Wow.
Okay.
So how do you tailor your sessions to bedifferent for different people?
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I don't really necessarily do that.
I've got a very specific kind of endpoint thatI'm looking to keep people to and fundamentally
it's a set of core beliefs down at that lowestlevel of mind of, there's nothing wrong with
me, there never was.
There's nothing to heal, there never was.
I'm good enough as I am to deserve whatever Ichoose, and I don't have to prove it to
anybody, not even myself.
That covers kind of most of those overarchingmeta-narratives, akin to, you know, this idea
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of something wrong with me, I'm not goodenough, don't deserve all that stuff.
Covers about 80-90% of that.
That's what I really want to take people to,and that's a pretty standard set of sessions
that forms that foundation.
But everybody's different, so sometimes we needto do some work ahead of time to get to the
point where we can really do that.
Right?
Confronting that stuff can be hard.
And sometimes we need to do some work on theback end to kind of clean some stuff up that
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just doesn't quite fit whenever we're goingthrough that stuff.
How long would you take it, how how long wouldyou say it would take for someone to be able to
get past some of the limiting beliefs and thethings that they're stuck in their life, that
are stuck in within them?
Not long at all.
Not long at all.
That foundation of work to get you there istypically about three sessions, sometimes four,
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about 90 minutes each.
Because these limiting beliefs, especially theones we're looking at like, oh I'm
procrastinating or oh I'm not letting myselfhave money.
Great.
Those are kind of like individual expressionsof this larger idea of like I'm not good
enough, or I don't deserve it.
Right?
I don't get to have this relationship becauseI'm not good enough.
I don't get to have this life because I don'tdeserve it.
Right?
Or I'm not allowed to show the world who I ambecause there's something wrong with me.
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Well, they're just the same thing showing up ina million ways.
Why not just deal with this higher-levelconcept of it, higher-level version of it?
And when you're playing with those higher-levelversions, it doesn't take a lot to move really
big chunks of these belief sets.
Right?
If there's only four things we gotta do, ifthere's only four things we gotta change, it
doesn't take very long.
Like I said, typically three or four 90-minutesessions and you're there.
Love that.
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So walk me through what the beginning of asession would look like for someone and then,
you know, what does that look like through asthey're working with you?
Yeah, beautiful.
First of all, we're just gonna have a quickconversation, make sure you're okay, see if
there's any questions we need to answer.
So here's any concerns we got that we need togo ahead and address, right?
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So that way you're going in, you're comfortablewith the fact that we're gonna be doing a lot
of this work.
Then it's a process of getting you down inhypnosis.
It's kind of like a guided meditation, leadingyou through a few different steps and just
following along, kind of allowing that tohappen and allowing that trance to take over,
just allowing yourself to kind of relax and letyour unconscious mind take the driver's seat
for a while.
That takes about maybe five or six minutes, notvery long.
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And after that, it's okay, we're gonna framethe problem.
You're coming in here and you're not reallyletting yourself live a good life, you're not
letting yourself succeed, right.
Sometimes you're not even letting yourself try,right, or you're boxed in in some way, great.
What problem are you trying to solve by doingthat?
Because your unconscious mind, quite frankly,it's doing this for a reason, right?
It's got some kind of objective, it's got somekind of goal, there's a need it's trying to
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fulfill, there's a problem it's trying tosolve.
Great, and we have no idea what it is.
But that's okay, because it knows.
Great, show me.
Show me some examples in your life of whateverthis problem is.
Right.
And so we take a walk down memory lane.
Great.
This thing happened, now you're on theplayground, you're five years old, Billy comes
up, punches you in the arm, runs away laughing,everybody starts laughing at you.
Great, fine.
How'd you feel about what's going on there?
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So well, you know, I feel like targeted andbullied and it's not fair.
Great.
Well how'd you feel about yourself?
Well nobody loves me, there's gotta besomething wrong with me, I'm not gonna.
Great.
That's showing me these narratives about whoyou are and how the world works in your mind.
The conclusions you've drawn from your lifeabout who you are and how the world works.
Right?
Because if you're not good enough and there'sjust something wrong with you, that's gonna
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determine how you move in a certain way.
Great.
Now that we have that, we just do the work todisprove that.
They'll be able to really end up punching inthe arm, not because he doesn't like you, but
because little boys are stupid and that's howthey fart when they're 5 years old.
Right.
Right.
It's not that you're not good enough, it'sactually that you're amazing, you just didn't
understand it correctly back then.
It's not that it's unfair, boys are just jerksback then.
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Everybody's laughing at you, why?
Because kids are kind of cruel at that age,doesn't have anything to do with you, right.
And by doing that we'd go from there'ssomething wrong with me, there's nothing wrong
with me.
I'm not good enough, I am good enough, right?
Do some work to make sure that we've negotiateda new solution.
Right?
Because your unconscious mind has free willjust like the rest of us, so I can't make you
accept it.
I can't make you take this.
We gotta find something that actually makessense.
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But once we shift those things, great.
Do a bit of work to do some rapid integration,right, so you kind of generalize that change
out because we're dealing with big patterns.
Do some future pacing, kind of show you whatlife is like now that you're in this new space,
and then we'll bring you back up.
But there's a lot of going back and forth and alot of reframing we have to do, that's why it
takes about an hour to 90 minutes to go throughthat whole process.
Ryan, I find this so interesting because asyou're giving this example, I'm thinking of
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childhood things, right?
And every child has that, like right.
Whether it be in school, whether it be that youhave a large family and you deal with that
within your own family and siblings becausesiblings are cruel to each other.
So, what I'm hearing you say is that prettymuch everybody can be a client is having to
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work through these things.
Yeah, well theoretically.
So what I've really noticed is the people whocome to me, the people that really need this
work are people where when they're growing upyou know things were not that great.
Persistent, negative emotion over time, kind ofchronic, really can't get away from it.
Right?
There are actually things, the unicorns wedon't see very often, what they call they're
called healthy people.
Right?
When they're growing up, like things were okay,they actually got the support they needed.
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It wasn't that kind of chronic negativeemotion, you know, they actually were able to
get the help they needed when they facedchallenges.
They don't tend to have these same conclusionsas people like I did, where it's like I was
just different.
You know, turns out I'm autistic, had no idea,didn't get diagnosed until I was 48.
But it's very clear, the world works foreverybody else, not for me.
This is the thing that's wrong and nobody canhelp me.
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That's gonna be a very different experiencefrom somebody who grows up who's autistic but
gets all the support they need.
Interesting.
You draw very different conclusions about whoyou are and how the world works in those
situations.
Right?
Right.
So the people that come to me are the ones thatdidn't have it good, didn't get the support
they needed or whatever kind of situation.
Cause my life, quite frankly, growing up wasgood.
My parents were great.
I was just autistic, didn't have the supportbecause nobody knew what the heck was wrong
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with me.
Got it.
Exactly.
That's interesting that I love that you'resharing that.
What would you say if you have someone who isin business and they cannot seem to get past a
certain part, you know, you get some success,but you can't seem to get past that.
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And you do.
I do believe that what will happen is manytimes you start to question, like, you know,
should I have even started this business?
Am I good enough?
And all of that.
Do you find that a lot of people have atendency to go through that and that's because
of these things that they've experienced?
Yeah, well think about it this way, one of thebiggest things that your mind is doing really
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is trying to protect you from emotional pain.
Because when we've experienced a lot ofemotional pain at a certain point it becomes a
threat to your physical existence, right?
It rises to that level, so now it's a survivalthreat where your mood, your emotional state is
something you have to try and survive.
Well that changes the way you're gonna movethrough the world a lot, because if your mind
is trying to protect you from emotional pain,it's trying to protect you from all those
negative conclusions you drew about yourself.
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So when somebody kind of hits that ceiling,what's really happening is like, okay, I'm good
enough to get here, I know I'm capable enough,this is easy for me, this is sustainable.
If I take that shot for what I really want andI miss, that confirms I'm not good enough, I
don't deserve, so forth and so on.
And the pain of that would be too much, so wejust don't take that shot.
It's not safe.
Right?
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So it's safer to stay a bit small.
It's safer not to really go for what we want.
It's safer to say, okay, this is enough.
I can stay here.
Things are comfortable.
But unfortunately, that puts you in a positionwhere everything you really want is outside
that cage you're in.
And that's the interesting thing about yourunconscious mind is it's looking at right now.
The only thing it cares about is this one- ortwo-second time period of the present moment,
so it cannot take into account second- andthird-order effects.
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Feel sad, eat a doughnut, phenomenal solution.
Unless you're depressed for a year, now you're350 pounds, got a completely different set of
problems.
But it can't take into account thoselonger-term consequences.
It's not built to do so.
So it doesn't understand by keeping you smalland keeping you trapped, it's actually hurting
you just as much as taking that shot andmissing.
Right?
So part of what we're doing when we're goingdown there is helping it see the trap is
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created by that.
Have you ever had a situation where you had aclient that just hit a wall that you couldn't
break through?
Not exactly.
I would say that there are a few clients we'veworked with where a couple different things
happen.
Either, number one, you've got a major controlissue, right, where you've been the one to make
things happen your entire life, so you feellike you have to be the one to do the thing.
The problem is if you're working hypnosis, ifyou're trying, that's a conscious process.
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Which is getting in the way of your unconsciousmind doing what it needs to.
Yes.
So until we can find a way to get you past thisneed to control, it's really hard to actually
get access to that deeper part.
The other thing I see a lot is a need to beright.
Like if you've done a lot of work you got avery good idea who you are and this is what
happened, this is why I am so far and so on.
Great.
Well the problem is if that was true, if you're100% correct about that you would have fixed
the things already.
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Right?
So there's got to be something wrong about it,right?
There has to be something and it could beanything, so you really have to be willing to
question everything.
But if you're so locked into a particularsolution or particular story, the solution has
to be in this box, well then that's a whole lotof things are off limits for us to explore.
I think the last thing that's actually reallykind of sad is some people I've seen are, they
have such a level of self-hatred andself-loathing, where they just won't let
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themselves have a break.
They just can't give themselves a break, theycan't make their forgiveness, they can't they
just can't, you know.
And that's somebody where it's like, I'm sorry,gotta go do some other work before you can come
over here because there's just no space for me.
It's a great change for you.
Wow.
Have you ever had a session that just blew yourmind as to just the outcome of the session?
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Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
I've had several of those where just like sucha huge shift right where like man.
I had one guy come in and he, this poor guy, hehad been abused pretty much all his life.
Right?
All these ideas of like it's his fault, there'ssomething wrong with me, I can't protect
myself, I'm weak and all that sort of stuff.
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And so we're working through all that stuff andgetting to that point was like, no, I can
actually protect myself, I'm strong andresilient.
I was able to get myself through the situationsI survived, right?
And really, if you think about it, like if theworld throws everything at you and the kitchen
sink trying to destroy you, at the end of itall, you're still standing.
Who won?
Like you're the one that, you know, youactually made it through there.
And seeing that shift of like, oh, I'm notweak.
I'm not powerless.
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Like I did it right, it wasn't about me.
And actually have that hit at that deepestlevel of self-enjoyment, being accepted like,
no, this is who I am now.
And seeing him come out of that just wasamazing.
So good.
So good.
I love that example.
Thank you for sharing that.
What would you say if we have our listenerslistening in and want to know what should they
look for in a practitioner?
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Because if this is something they've never donebefore, you know, there's always this trust
factor and everybody has this concept of like,you know, they're gonna put me down, I'm not
gonna know what's going on, is that safe?
So that's why I wanted to bring that up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, some of us just say, you gotta have thatdiscernment, right?
You have to say, let me go ahead and look atthis guy's website, let me look at what he's
doing on YouTube.
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Does he have an interview, does he have a book,you know, does he have examples, stuff like
that.
Because that's gonna show you a really goodidea of like what this guy is like, what this
practitioner is like.
If you're vibing, if he makes sense, if you gotthat good rapport, if you're like this guy
makes sense, this guy is somebody to trust, goplay.
Go at least meet, right, and see if you've thatvibe in person.
That's why I do these consultations before wesit down and do some work, it's like okay I
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gotta know you, is there some space, can webuild that trust?
And part of that process of doing that initialconsultation is like, okay let me show you what
I see of you.
Do I see who you are from your viewpoint?
Right?
Because if I can show you that I can know you,that I can get who you are, it's a heck of a
lot easier to trust me.
Right?
But if they're not doing that kind of work,they just don't say, hey, here's this thing I
do, come on in, I'm gonna do the thing.
I'll say, well, does he actually know you?
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Is he actually gonna be responsive to what youwant, take you where you wanna be, or is he
just gonna do his thing?
That's a really good point that you're makingthere.
So one of the things we wanted to ask is whenyou're doing these techniques, does the person
know what's going on the whole time or are theyin deep trance?
Well you can be in deep trance and still beaware of what's going on.
The depth of trance may or may not matter andlike you're gonna want different depths for
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different things, right?
Mhmm.
Back in the day they would use hypnosis insteadof anesthesia because they didn't have it back
then.
So in that case I want you out.
I don't want you to be knowing or feelinganything, want you as deep as I can, right?
But with this process, a lot of what you'retrying to come to me for is figuring out like
what the heck is going on, like why are thingsthis way.
So denying you that knowledge, denying you thatunderstanding, not letting you see that process
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is kind of shooting yourself in the foot, likeyou miss half of the benefit.
Right.
Because once you understand why your mind isdoing what it's doing, it's like so much easier
to give yourself some grace and forgive.
It's like, okay, well, no wonder I was doingthis.
No wonder things were working out this way.
Right.
Even for me, like finding out that I wasautistic, it's like, that all makes sense now.
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Just having that perspective like yes, this allmakes sense now.
So I want you to have that understanding, Iwant you to have that perspective.
But you're a passenger kind of allowing it tohappen.
Consciousness takes that backseat, lets theunconscious mind drive, let it do its thing and
just watch the show.
So how are you able to, you know, you found outlater that you are autistic or at least that's
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a diagnosis that, you know, they give people.
And how are you able to work through themilitary and all of the work that you did
effectively?
Because I do find, in all honesty, mepersonally, I find that people who are autistic
or neurodivergent or, you know, the labels thatare put on, they're actually brilliant.
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So I mean, I'm sure that that's part of whyyou're able to work in the military the way you
did because of that discipline and thatstructure that you need.
So tell me a little bit so that our audiencegets to know you, the person, as to how you're
able to pretty much go through life with alabel that you get later on in life but you
didn't understand while you were going throughthose years.
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That's an interesting question.
So you know, I grew up in Kansas in the 1970sand 1980s before the internet, so nobody, like
I said, nobody really had any idea what waswrong with me.
I was a smart kid, so everybody says, oh,you're smart, that's why it is.
But every autistic person has that one thinglike that's their jam, that's their
fascination.
For me, it's people.
Right?
How people work, how the mind works, right?
Because the biggest thing, the most importantthing in my entire life has been connection.
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It's like how the heck can I connect withpeople?
How the heck can I be part of these groups?
So the way I kind of navigated it was talkingto a guy asking me about my experience, and I
was talking about how I can see patterns soeasily.
He's like, oh, I get it, I'm color blind.
What do you mean?
Well, because he can't see the difference inthe colors, he sees like the shapes and the
patterns clear as day.
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He's like, how could you not see this?
Well, because you guys, normal people, are ableto see all this nuance and difference and
subtlety to human interaction that I'mcompletely blind to.
I'm like socially color blind, but the thing Isee are the patterns.
And if there's a pattern of behavior, there's apattern that occurs, there's something that
drives it.
There's a mechanism, there's algorithms, rules,there's some mechanism of some kind, great.
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So if I can see the pattern, I know there's ablack box, all I have to do is reverse engineer
what's going on in the black box.
See a bunch of stuff coming in, see stuffcoming out, how does that thing work?
Give me enough time and I'll figure it out.
Well, if I've been reverse engineering blackboxes my entire life, you go into the
intelligence world, what is that?
Figuring out how things work when you gotlittle bits of information trying to put
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together a piece of a puzzle.
Fair enough.
Been doing that my entire life, same thing.
Do I get in the back of your head, what's thestructure of the belief?
Is so good.
It's the exact same thing.
This is just weaponized autism being applied tohuman behavior and hypnosis.
Wow!
Let's talk about your book a little bit.
Sure.
And what were your hopes when you're, you know,in the process of writing this book for what
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you would want the audience to get from it?
Beautiful.
I had to essentially develop my own techniques,own modalities, my own thesis, my own theory
about how all this stuff works to be able to dothis work.
And after I've done all this, I'm like, man,this is very different from anything else I'm
seeing out there.
So it'd be a shame not to get this out there tothe world.
And so "Winter Peace" is essentially a way tolay out my theories, my frameworks, and
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everything and walks people through the processI take my clients through, kind of start to
finish.
To try and get you to that set of beliefs.
Nothing wrong with me, nothing to heal, goodenough.
So to the extent that I can do that for you ina book, it's designed to give you everything I
possibly can.
Because my mission these days in life is to endhuman suffering and unleash the fullness of
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human potential to the maximum possible for meto engineer in this lifetime.
I cannot work with seven and a half billionpeople one on one.
I'm sorry, I'm good, I'm not that fast.
There's only one of me right now.
But if I can get these out there in a bookformat, so that people can start doing the work
themselves, then I'm moving the needle.
I'm reducing suffering, I'm unleashingpotential, I'm helping people kind of move past
stuff on their own.
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So my hope is to get people to the point wherethey can create the source of changes on their
own, to the extent that you can, to make yourlife better, make it easier, make stuff safer
for yourself.
Because one of the things we do as part of thisprocess is we change emotions from pain into
questions.
Just your mind saying I'm facing a certain kindof problem, facing a certain kind of challenge,
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I need you to help me figure it out.
It's a lot easier to deal with.
Don't have to run from it.
Sit down and engage with it and every negativeemotion you feel actually helps you get to
where you want to be.
Because it's showing you what the challenges,the barriers are in front of you.
Hardest part of solving a problem, figuring outwhat the problem is and you're not saying it's
this kind of problem that narrows the field ofscope and the search a heck of a lot faster.
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Wow.
Okay.
So tell me a little bit about, you know, numberone who would be your ideal client that would
come to you and also do you work with peoplevirtually or in person or both?
So I've always done virtual, so I actually gotcertified as a hypnotist in February 2020, two
weeks later everything shuts down.
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So I got started this during the pandemic,everything was over Zoom, I've never actually
had a physical office, right?
But I
just need to be able to see you, I need to beable to hear you, you got to be able to hear my
voice, we don't have to do that in person, wegot Zoom.
So I've got, I've had clients all over theworld, I actually worked with a guy in Siberia
once of all places, right?
It's awesome that way.
But quite frankly, like who do I want to workwith?
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There's basically one kind of person.
One kind of person I want to work with.
Somebody self-aware, understands we've got thetop problems in the way, and is willing to do
the work and go wherever they need to to fixthat problem.
Usually that's these high performers, right,these business people, you know executives and
so forth and so on, you're trying to build yourbusiness, you're stuck, or that's the only
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thing you're doing.
Where your business is rocking and rolling therest of your life is a mess, and you want
something more out of life than just grinding24/7.
Other people it's like they've had a lot ofchallenge in life, they've done a lot of work,
and they're not quite across that finish lineyet.
Because they know there's something else backthere that's not quite clicked, even in spite
of all the work they're doing.
Great, come on here, this is a level of beliefswe just haven't been playing with, not a
problem.
Let's get that anyway, so you can go live therest of your life.
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Do you feel that there are a lot of executiveswho are aware of the fact that there is
something that's holding them back?
I think once you get to that level, it tends tobe more the opposite problem.
I talk in the book about basically two traps,cage and the treadmill.
Cage is where you're like boxed in, might be apain in your fear and anxiety.
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Fair enough, that's easy to see, that's whereyou've got that ceiling, kind of that gap
between where you are where you should be.
The other one is what I call the treadmill.
You got that Batman origin story, right, butyou found a way out.
Academics, business, athletics, touring themilitary, whatever it is.
You're good at it.
You like doing it.
You're getting a lot of rewards for it.
Every time how awesome you are, so you don'thave an idea that you got a problem.
Chasing the carrot, running away from thestick, and that trap is so bad because you're
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not allowed to do anything else.
And a way to tell whether or not that's you,can you take your foot off the gas, or does
that terrify you?
That's really good.
Yeah, if it terrifies you, it means you'rerunning from something, you don't really have a
choice.
Wow.
I love that.
So I love that you've shared all of this withour audience.
If they wanted to find you, do business withyou and say, hey, this guy, he gets me.
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How would they find you?
Well, the book is a great place to start.
Winter Peace, How to End Inner Conflict, MakeSuccess Available, all the different formats on
Amazon.
My website is www.ryanthehypnotist.com.
Come on over, I offer a free 45-minuteconsultation.
We'll sit down, take a look at what's working,what's not in your life, tell you what's going
on, and figure out a way to get you where youwant to be.
That is awesome.
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Ryan, I am just so grateful.
Thank you so much for sharing all of these, youknow, these nuggets with us.
What would you say could be just two to threeteachable somethings that people could actually
take away if they never saw you and they neversaw me again?
What is some takeaway that they could actually,you know, take from this conversation?
Sure.
So I'd say like three different things.
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Okay.
Number one, even if emotions are pain, painpoints the way.
If your hand hurts, it says that's because yourhand is busted, there's something there you
need to look at.
So instead of avoiding these things, let itlead you to where the problem is; it's trying
to tell you something.
The second thing I'd say is we often think thatwhat we think and what we feel, one or the
other alright.
This one's right, this one's wrong.
No.
They're both actually 100% true and correct atall times.
You're just looking at the world throughdifferent lenses, forests and trees.
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So if they're different, figure out what has tobe true for both of them to be correct.
To get that, all you have to do is start askingthe question, what am I missing?
That's probably the single most productive,most important question to ask is what am I
missing?
And your mind will help you find it.
That's beautiful.
Wow.
Thank you so much.
I am so grateful that you were here and you'resharing with us.
I am, you know, don't even, I'm kind of alittle stumped because here's the thing is I do
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know about hypnosis and how it helps, and I doknow many people who utilize hypnosis, but then
there's that whole group of people like, oh mygosh, that's just like never touch that.
Being able to navigate and understand that thisis something that would be helpful, is
something that's going to actually help you getpast barriers in your life, and so I appreciate
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you sharing with our audience how there areways in which they could get past those
barriers.
So thank you so much, Ryan.
Well, thank you so much for having me on, Ilove the conversation.
So again, this is Katherine, your host with TheBeyond Business Podcast, and please, I want you
to look up Ryan Christensen.
And Ryan, again, your book is on Amazon.
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Yes, it is.
And the name of your book again?
Winter Peace (30:18):
How to End Inner Conflict and Make Success Inevitable.
Alright, excellent.
Well, thank you so much, and I appreciate youbeing with us here today.
Thank you so much for having me.
It was an honor to be here.
You're welcome.
Well, if you made it to this point, then youmade it to the end, and you are my star.
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So, the reason that I started this podcast wasto celebrate businesses that have overcome
adversity and have come out on the other sideof it.
And I want you to know that you are not alone.
Good afternoon, this is Katherine, your hostwith The Beyond Business Podcast.
I'm excited to introduce you to RyanChristensen.
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He's a hypnotist and author focusing on peakmental performance, emotional resilience, and
life satisfaction.
Ryan leverages his decades of experience in themilitary, counterterrorism, and
counter-proliferation worlds to dive deep andrapidly identify the core beliefs holding his
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clients back.
This is a really great topic, Ryan.
I'm excited to dive into why you do what youdo, how you do it, and how you serve the world.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
It's an honor to be here.
So this is so interesting.
From military and terrorism and all of thesethings that you've done, how did you wind up in
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hypnosis?
Well, back in 2019, 2020, I started doing a lotof work on myself after my second divorce,
trying to get back in the dating scene andrealizing that there was a lot of stuff built
up over the years that I had just not reallyaddressed.
So I got into a couple of different men'sgroups to start the self-improvement journey
and one of them had a hypnotist talk abouttoxic shame and emotional baggage.
Well, you know, raised Catholic, got some ofthat, so I did a couple of sessions with him
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and just felt lighter.
You know, carrying around 50 pounds of stuff,you get rid of 20 pounds, everything's easier.
I was at that point in my career where it wastime to do something new and that really just
kind of caught my attention.
I realized that I spent 23 years trying to savethe world, well I'm clearly in the wrong line
of business.
That's when I made that transition to helppeople one on one.
And seeing how effective and how rapidly youcan make some really big shifts with hypnosis
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really caught my eye.
So down the road we went.
Can you walk us through what hypnosis actuallyis and you know what it isn't because that's,
you know, that can be a misconception thatpeople have with hypnosis.
percent.
So hypnosis really from my perspective is justa set of techniques that gives me more direct
access to your unconscious mind.
That's it.
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The art and the science of it is like what youdo when you're there.
Now if I open the door to the back of yourhead, what do we do to play with?
Right?
A lot of people look at it in terms of likemind control or they see the stupid stuff that
people do on stage, and that's not really howit goes.
It's a voluntary process.
I'm leading you through this process to get youdown there, and you have to decide to go with
me.
If you decide not to, I can't do anything withyou; that's just not the way it works.
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What you see on stage is the hypnotist, beforehe even brings everybody up, he's doing a lot
of stuff with the audience just kind of seeingwho's responding.
Right, it's like, okay, these people here,they're responding, great, you all come up.
Why?
Because they want to play the game.
Alright, they know they're gonna be going up,they're doing stupid stuff.
So they break some people if they want to play,do some more testing, okay, you people, you
know, you're five actually really want to playthe game, you're ready to do some silly stuff,
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let's have some fun.
And so they've already decided to play thatgame.
But hypnosis, once you get down there, there'sso many different things you can do.
Weight loss, stop smoking, you can actuallyhave somebody stop smoking in a single session,
it's like one of the most effective tools to doit.
There's something called hypnobirthing wherethey use hypnosis for pain control during
childbirth.
But I'm an intel guy.
I'm curious about the way people work and whatdrives them and why they kind of hold
themselves back and all the answers are hiddenin the back of their head.
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So might as well go where the answers are.
I love that you shared that.
So that's what they do when they're in anaudience; they have an audience there, so
that's how you know who actually wants to playthe game, and that's why it works.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Well, that's so interesting.
It's the first time I've heard that.
Yeah, yeah, well, that's the thing.
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It's like, oh my God, you're going to make mecluck like a chicken, and I was like, no,
that's boring to me.
I'd have to charge you extra for that.
But the people that go to the show, they knowthey're going to see a hypnotist, they know
they're gonna be seeing stupid people do stupidstuff, right?
So everybody's there for the show, and as he'sdoing, you know, working the crowd at the
beginning of the thing, he's saying, okay,these are the people that are really
responding, these are the ones who want to comeup and play.
Nobody else really does.
If I'm sitting there and I'm just like lookinglike, okay, whatever, he's not gonna call me.
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Why?
Because I don't want to play the game.
Right.
Cooperative don't want to do the thing.
So that wouldn't make for a good show.
So I'd love for you to share with our audienceand give us an example of someone you've worked
with that came to you, you know, you don't haveto give us their name, but just that came to
you, and you were able to see them have thatmoment as they've worked with you and get to
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the other side of whatever that was that theywere stuck in.
So I think a beautiful example, this was aclient of mine named Elliot.
I've got a testimony from her up on my YouTube,but she came to me, she was really kind of
stuck, had always had problems withrelationships, you know, always had trust
issues and stuff like that.
And she's also having really a lot of troublein her business, really being able to put 100%
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into it.
And so working with her, we really kind of gotdown to this like core self-esteem issues, you
know, these things are like there's somethingwrong with me, I'm not enough, not enough, I
really can't put myself out there, can't showthe world who I am.
And once you shift that from there's somethingwrong with me to there's nothing wrong with me
to from a not good enough to I am good enough,well, there's nothing to hide about yourself
anymore.
Right?
So you can show the world who you are.
You're not worried about how people see you.
You're not worried about how people are judgingyour work, and that also plays out in
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relationships.
So she actually got engaged to her, to herboyfriend and to her partner at the time, like,
why don't you sessions in?
Just a couple weeks after she started workingwith me.
So you can have some massive, massive shiftsvery, very fast.
Do you find that right now, humanity I do feelis changing and shifting and getting becoming
more okay with these types of therapies.
Right?
So what would you say are the misconceptionsthat people have when it comes to hypnosis and
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and working with people?
So I find that people are more open to it.
So there is a shift that's occurring.
But if you wanted to explain to our audience,what are the misconceptions that they need to
get over so that they can actually have resultslike what you're talking about with helping
people through whether it be their business,their life, and things that they're stuck in.
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One of my mentors used to say that people go toa hypnotist because they can't find witch
doctor in the phone book, and these days youcan, right?
But it shows, quite frankly, that we're reallybecoming aware of the limits of the work we do
on a conscious level.
If I'm going to traditional therapy or internalfamily systems and that sort of stuff, I'm
having a conversation, which means that wallbetween your conscious and your unconscious
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mind, something we call the critical factor ofneurosis, that sucker's up.
So I don't actually have access, direct access,to your unconscious mind.
Everything's mediated through consciousness,and we're doing it on a very rational level,
right?
This issue, this event, this trauma, treesrather than the forest, right?
So there's a whole other side of your mindthat's looking at the forest, looking at those
patterns over time, looking at the narrativesthat run through things, right?
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And to get down there, psychedelics andhypnosis are pretty much the only things that
get you there, right?
Psychedelics are gonna be their own journey,take you wherever they want, don't really have
any control, and there's limits to the amountof change you can do down there.
But with hypnosis, you get to open up the door,go down there, stay down there as long as I
need to do all the work I need to do to fixthings, and then come back.
The single biggest thing that I think peoplemisunderstand about hypnosis, that voluntary
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aspect is very, very important.
You have to be willing to allow me to lead youthrough that process.
You gotta be willing to go wherever we need togo.
And sometimes that means owning things aboutyourself you don't like.
Sometimes that means letting things be truethat you've been trying to prove wrong your
entire life, but they only have to be true longenough in order to do something with it.
Wow.
Okay.
So how do you tailor your sessions to bedifferent for different people?
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I don't really necessarily do that.
I've got a very specific kind of endpoint thatI'm looking to keep people to and fundamentally
it's a set of core beliefs down at that lowestlevel of mind of, there's nothing wrong with
me, there never was.
There's nothing to heal, there never was.
I'm good enough as I am to deserve whatever Ichoose, and I don't have to prove it to
anybody, not even myself.
That covers kind of most of those overarchingmeta-narratives, akin to, you know, this idea
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of something wrong with me, I'm not goodenough, don't deserve all that stuff.
Covers about 80-90% of that.
That's what I really want to take people to,and that's a pretty standard set of sessions
that forms that foundation.
But everybody's different, so sometimes we needto do some work ahead of time to get to the
point where we can really do that.
Right?
Confronting that stuff can be hard.
And sometimes we need to do some work on theback end to kind of clean some stuff up that
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just doesn't quite fit whenever we're goingthrough that stuff.
How long would you take it, how how long wouldyou say it would take for someone to be able to
get past some of the limiting beliefs and thethings that they're stuck in their life, that
are stuck in within them?
Not long at all.
Not long at all.
That foundation of work to get you there istypically about three sessions, sometimes four,
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about 90 minutes each.
Because these limiting beliefs, especially theones we're looking at like, oh I'm
procrastinating or oh I'm not letting myselfhave money.
Great.
Those are kind of like individual expressionsof this larger idea of like I'm not good
enough, or I don't deserve it.
Right?
I don't get to have this relationship becauseI'm not good enough.
I don't get to have this life because I don'tdeserve it.
Right?
Or I'm not allowed to show the world who I ambecause there's something wrong with me.
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Well, they're just the same thing showing up ina million ways.
Why not just deal with this higher-levelconcept of it, higher-level version of it?
And when you're playing with those higher-levelversions, it doesn't take a lot to move really
big chunks of these belief sets.
Right?
If there's only four things we gotta do, ifthere's only four things we gotta change, it
doesn't take very long.
Like I said, typically three or four 90-minutesessions and you're there.
Love that.
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So walk me through what the beginning of asession would look like for someone and then,
you know, what does that look like through asthey're working with you?
Yeah, beautiful.
First of all, we're just gonna have a quickconversation, make sure you're okay, see if
there's any questions we need to answer.
So here's any concerns we got that we need togo ahead and address, right?
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So that way you're going in, you're comfortablewith the fact that we're gonna be doing a lot
of this work.
Then it's a process of getting you down inhypnosis.
It's kind of like a guided meditation, leadingyou through a few different steps and just
following along, kind of allowing that tohappen and allowing that trance to take over,
just allowing yourself to kind of relax and letyour unconscious mind take the driver's seat
for a while.
That takes about maybe five or six minutes, notvery long.
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And after that, it's okay, we're gonna framethe problem.
You're coming in here and you're not reallyletting yourself live a good life, you're not
letting yourself succeed, right.
Sometimes you're not even letting yourself try,right, or you're boxed in in some way, great.
What problem are you trying to solve by doingthat?
Because your unconscious mind, quite frankly,it's doing this for a reason, right?
It's got some kind of objective, it's got somekind of goal, there's a need it's trying to
(10:42):
fulfill, there's a problem it's trying tosolve.
Great, and we have no idea what it is.
But that's okay, because it knows.
Great, show me.
Show me some examples in your life of whateverthis problem is.
Right.
And so we take a walk down memory lane.
Great.
This thing happened, now you're on theplayground, you're five years old, Billy comes
up, punches you in the arm, runs away laughing,everybody starts laughing at you.
Great, fine.
How'd you feel about what's going on there?
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So well, you know, I feel like targeted andbullied and it's not fair.
Great.
Well how'd you feel about yourself?
Well nobody loves me, there's gotta besomething wrong with me, I'm not gonna.
Great.
That's showing me these narratives about whoyou are and how the world works in your mind.
The conclusions you've drawn from your lifeabout who you are and how the world works.
Right?
Because if you're not good enough and there'sjust something wrong with you, that's gonna
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determine how you move in a certain way.
Great.
Now that we have that, we just do the work todisprove that.
They'll be able to really end up punching inthe arm, not because he doesn't like you, but
because little boys are stupid and that's howthey fart when they're 5 years old.
Right.
Right.
It's not that you're not good enough, it'sactually that you're amazing, you just didn't
understand it correctly back then.
It's not that it's unfair, boys are just jerksback then.
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Everybody's laughing at you, why?
Because kids are kind of cruel at that age,doesn't have anything to do with you, right.
And by doing that we'd go from there'ssomething wrong with me, there's nothing wrong
with me.
I'm not good enough, I am good enough, right?
Do some work to make sure that we've negotiateda new solution.
Right?
Because your unconscious mind has free willjust like the rest of us, so I can't make you
accept it.
I can't make you take this.
We gotta find something that actually makessense.
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But once we shift those things, great.
Do a bit of work to do some rapid integration,right, so you kind of generalize that change
out because we're dealing with big patterns.
Do some future pacing, kind of show you whatlife is like now that you're in this new space,
and then we'll bring you back up.
But there's a lot of going back and forth and alot of reframing we have to do, that's why it
takes about an hour to 90 minutes to go throughthat whole process.
Ryan, I find this so interesting because asyou're giving this example, I'm thinking of
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childhood things, right?
And every child has that, like right.
Whether it be in school, whether it be that youhave a large family and you deal with that
within your own family and siblings becausesiblings are cruel to each other.
So, what I'm hearing you say is that prettymuch everybody can be a client is having to
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work through these things.
Yeah, well theoretically.
So what I've really noticed is the people whocome to me, the people that really need this
work are people where when they're growing upyou know things were not that great.
Persistent, negative emotion over time, kind ofchronic, really can't get away from it.
Right?
There are actually things, the unicorns wedon't see very often, what they call they're
called healthy people.
Right?
When they're growing up, like things were okay,they actually got the support they needed.
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It wasn't that kind of chronic negativeemotion, you know, they actually were able to
get the help they needed when they facedchallenges.
They don't tend to have these same conclusionsas people like I did, where it's like I was
just different.
You know, turns out I'm autistic, had no idea,didn't get diagnosed until I was 48.
But it's very clear, the world works foreverybody else, not for me.
This is the thing that's wrong and nobody canhelp me.
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That's gonna be a very different experiencefrom somebody who grows up who's autistic but
gets all the support they need.
Interesting.
You draw very different conclusions about whoyou are and how the world works in those
situations.
Right?
Right.
So the people that come to me are the ones thatdidn't have it good, didn't get the support
they needed or whatever kind of situation.
Cause my life, quite frankly, growing up wasgood.
My parents were great.
I was just autistic, didn't have the supportbecause nobody knew what the heck was wrong
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with me.
Got it.
Exactly.
That's interesting that I love that you'resharing that.
What would you say if you have someone who isin business and they cannot seem to get past a
certain part, you know, you get some success,but you can't seem to get past that.
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And you do.
I do believe that what will happen is manytimes you start to question, like, you know,
should I have even started this business?
Am I good enough?
And all of that.
Do you find that a lot of people have atendency to go through that and that's because
of these things that they've experienced?
Yeah, well think about it this way, one of thebiggest things that your mind is doing really
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is trying to protect you from emotional pain.
Because when we've experienced a lot ofemotional pain at a certain point it becomes a
threat to your physical existence, right?
It rises to that level, so now it's a survivalthreat where your mood, your emotional state is
something you have to try and survive.
Well that changes the way you're gonna movethrough the world a lot, because if your mind
is trying to protect you from emotional pain,it's trying to protect you from all those
negative conclusions you drew about yourself.
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So when somebody kind of hits that ceiling,what's really happening is like, okay, I'm good
enough to get here, I know I'm capable enough,this is easy for me, this is sustainable.
If I take that shot for what I really want andI miss, that confirms I'm not good enough, I
don't deserve, so forth and so on.
And the pain of that would be too much, so wejust don't take that shot.
It's not safe.
Right?
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So it's safer to stay a bit small.
It's safer not to really go for what we want.
It's safer to say, okay, this is enough.
I can stay here.
Things are comfortable.
But unfortunately, that puts you in a positionwhere everything you really want is outside
that cage you're in.
And that's the interesting thing about yourunconscious mind is it's looking at right now.
The only thing it cares about is this one- ortwo-second time period of the present moment,
so it cannot take into account second- andthird-order effects.
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Feel sad, eat a doughnut, phenomenal solution.
Unless you're depressed for a year, now you're350 pounds, got a completely different set of
problems.
But it can't take into account thoselonger-term consequences.
It's not built to do so.
So it doesn't understand by keeping you smalland keeping you trapped, it's actually hurting
you just as much as taking that shot andmissing.
Right?
So part of what we're doing when we're goingdown there is helping it see the trap is
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created by that.
Have you ever had a situation where you had aclient that just hit a wall that you couldn't
break through?
Not exactly.
I would say that there are a few clients we'veworked with where a couple different things
happen.
Either, number one, you've got a major controlissue, right, where you've been the one to make
things happen your entire life, so you feellike you have to be the one to do the thing.
The problem is if you're working hypnosis, ifyou're trying, that's a conscious process.
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Which is getting in the way of your unconsciousmind doing what it needs to.
Yes.
So until we can find a way to get you past thisneed to control, it's really hard to actually
get access to that deeper part.
The other thing I see a lot is a need to beright.
Like if you've done a lot of work you got avery good idea who you are and this is what
happened, this is why I am so far and so on.
Great.
Well the problem is if that was true, if you're100% correct about that you would have fixed
the things already.
(16:45):
Right?
So there's got to be something wrong about it,right?
There has to be something and it could beanything, so you really have to be willing to
question everything.
But if you're so locked into a particularsolution or particular story, the solution has
to be in this box, well then that's a whole lotof things are off limits for us to explore.
I think the last thing that's actually reallykind of sad is some people I've seen are, they
have such a level of self-hatred andself-loathing, where they just won't let
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themselves have a break.
They just can't give themselves a break, theycan't make their forgiveness, they can't they
just can't, you know.
And that's somebody where it's like, I'm sorry,gotta go do some other work before you can come
over here because there's just no space for me.
It's a great change for you.
Wow.
Have you ever had a session that just blew yourmind as to just the outcome of the session?
(17:30):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
I've had several of those where just like sucha huge shift right where like man.
I had one guy come in and he, this poor guy, hehad been abused pretty much all his life.
Right?
All these ideas of like it's his fault, there'ssomething wrong with me, I can't protect
myself, I'm weak and all that sort of stuff.
(17:51):
And so we're working through all that stuff andgetting to that point was like, no, I can
actually protect myself, I'm strong andresilient.
I was able to get myself through the situationsI survived, right?
And really, if you think about it, like if theworld throws everything at you and the kitchen
sink trying to destroy you, at the end of itall, you're still standing.
Who won?
Like you're the one that, you know, youactually made it through there.
And seeing that shift of like, oh, I'm notweak.
I'm not powerless.
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Like I did it right, it wasn't about me.
And actually have that hit at that deepestlevel of self-enjoyment, being accepted like,
no, this is who I am now.
And seeing him come out of that just wasamazing.
So good.
So good.
I love that example.
Thank you for sharing that.
What would you say if we have our listenerslistening in and want to know what should they
look for in a practitioner?
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Because if this is something they've never donebefore, you know, there's always this trust
factor and everybody has this concept of like,you know, they're gonna put me down, I'm not
gonna know what's going on, is that safe?
So that's why I wanted to bring that up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, some of us just say, you gotta have thatdiscernment, right?
You have to say, let me go ahead and look atthis guy's website, let me look at what he's
doing on YouTube.
(18:55):
Does he have an interview, does he have a book,you know, does he have examples, stuff like
that.
Because that's gonna show you a really goodidea of like what this guy is like, what this
practitioner is like.
If you're vibing, if he makes sense, if you gotthat good rapport, if you're like this guy
makes sense, this guy is somebody to trust, goplay.
Go at least meet, right, and see if you've thatvibe in person.
That's why I do these consultations before wesit down and do some work, it's like okay I
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gotta know you, is there some space, can webuild that trust?
And part of that process of doing that initialconsultation is like, okay let me show you what
I see of you.
Do I see who you are from your viewpoint?
Right?
Because if I can show you that I can know you,that I can get who you are, it's a heck of a
lot easier to trust me.
Right?
But if they're not doing that kind of work,they just don't say, hey, here's this thing I
do, come on in, I'm gonna do the thing.
I'll say, well, does he actually know you?
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Is he actually gonna be responsive to what youwant, take you where you wanna be, or is he
just gonna do his thing?
That's a really good point that you're makingthere.
So one of the things we wanted to ask is whenyou're doing these techniques, does the person
know what's going on the whole time or are theyin deep trance?
Well you can be in deep trance and still beaware of what's going on.
The depth of trance may or may not matter andlike you're gonna want different depths for
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different things, right?
Mhmm.
Back in the day they would use hypnosis insteadof anesthesia because they didn't have it back
then.
So in that case I want you out.
I don't want you to be knowing or feelinganything, want you as deep as I can, right?
But with this process, a lot of what you'retrying to come to me for is figuring out like
what the heck is going on, like why are thingsthis way.
So denying you that knowledge, denying you thatunderstanding, not letting you see that process
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is kind of shooting yourself in the foot, likeyou miss half of the benefit.
Right.
Because once you understand why your mind isdoing what it's doing, it's like so much easier
to give yourself some grace and forgive.
It's like, okay, well, no wonder I was doingthis.
No wonder things were working out this way.
Right.
Even for me, like finding out that I wasautistic, it's like, that all makes sense now.
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Just having that perspective like yes, this allmakes sense now.
So I want you to have that understanding, Iwant you to have that perspective.
But you're a passenger kind of allowing it tohappen.
Consciousness takes that backseat, lets theunconscious mind drive, let it do its thing and
just watch the show.
So how are you able to, you know, you found outlater that you are autistic or at least that's
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a diagnosis that, you know, they give people.
And how are you able to work through themilitary and all of the work that you did
effectively?
Because I do find, in all honesty, mepersonally, I find that people who are autistic
or neurodivergent or, you know, the labels thatare put on, they're actually brilliant.
(21:26):
So I mean, I'm sure that that's part of whyyou're able to work in the military the way you
did because of that discipline and thatstructure that you need.
So tell me a little bit so that our audiencegets to know you, the person, as to how you're
able to pretty much go through life with alabel that you get later on in life but you
didn't understand while you were going throughthose years.
(21:50):
That's an interesting question.
So you know, I grew up in Kansas in the 1970sand 1980s before the internet, so nobody, like
I said, nobody really had any idea what waswrong with me.
I was a smart kid, so everybody says, oh,you're smart, that's why it is.
But every autistic person has that one thinglike that's their jam, that's their
fascination.
For me, it's people.
Right?
How people work, how the mind works, right?
Because the biggest thing, the most importantthing in my entire life has been connection.
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It's like how the heck can I connect withpeople?
How the heck can I be part of these groups?
So the way I kind of navigated it was talkingto a guy asking me about my experience, and I
was talking about how I can see patterns soeasily.
He's like, oh, I get it, I'm color blind.
What do you mean?
Well, because he can't see the difference inthe colors, he sees like the shapes and the
patterns clear as day.
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He's like, how could you not see this?
Well, because you guys, normal people, are ableto see all this nuance and difference and
subtlety to human interaction that I'mcompletely blind to.
I'm like socially color blind, but the thing Isee are the patterns.
And if there's a pattern of behavior, there's apattern that occurs, there's something that
drives it.
There's a mechanism, there's algorithms, rules,there's some mechanism of some kind, great.
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So if I can see the pattern, I know there's ablack box, all I have to do is reverse engineer
what's going on in the black box.
See a bunch of stuff coming in, see stuffcoming out, how does that thing work?
Give me enough time and I'll figure it out.
Well, if I've been reverse engineering blackboxes my entire life, you go into the
intelligence world, what is that?
Figuring out how things work when you gotlittle bits of information trying to put
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together a piece of a puzzle.
Fair enough.
Been doing that my entire life, same thing.
Do I get in the back of your head, what's thestructure of the belief?
Is so good.
It's the exact same thing.
This is just weaponized autism being applied tohuman behavior and hypnosis.
Wow!
Let's talk about your book a little bit.
Sure.
And what were your hopes when you're, you know,in the process of writing this book for what
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you would want the audience to get from it?
Beautiful.
I had to essentially develop my own techniques,own modalities, my own thesis, my own theory
about how all this stuff works to be able to dothis work.
And after I've done all this, I'm like, man,this is very different from anything else I'm
seeing out there.
So it'd be a shame not to get this out there tothe world.
And so "Winter Peace" is essentially a way tolay out my theories, my frameworks, and
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everything and walks people through the processI take my clients through, kind of start to
finish.
To try and get you to that set of beliefs.
Nothing wrong with me, nothing to heal, goodenough.
So to the extent that I can do that for you ina book, it's designed to give you everything I
possibly can.
Because my mission these days in life is to endhuman suffering and unleash the fullness of
(24:24):
human potential to the maximum possible for meto engineer in this lifetime.
I cannot work with seven and a half billionpeople one on one.
I'm sorry, I'm good, I'm not that fast.
There's only one of me right now.
But if I can get these out there in a bookformat, so that people can start doing the work
themselves, then I'm moving the needle.
I'm reducing suffering, I'm unleashingpotential, I'm helping people kind of move past
stuff on their own.
(24:45):
So my hope is to get people to the point wherethey can create the source of changes on their
own, to the extent that you can, to make yourlife better, make it easier, make stuff safer
for yourself.
Because one of the things we do as part of thisprocess is we change emotions from pain into
questions.
Just your mind saying I'm facing a certain kindof problem, facing a certain kind of challenge,
(25:05):
I need you to help me figure it out.
It's a lot easier to deal with.
Don't have to run from it.
Sit down and engage with it and every negativeemotion you feel actually helps you get to
where you want to be.
Because it's showing you what the challenges,the barriers are in front of you.
Hardest part of solving a problem, figuring outwhat the problem is and you're not saying it's
this kind of problem that narrows the field ofscope and the search a heck of a lot faster.
(25:28):
Wow.
Okay.
So tell me a little bit about, you know, numberone who would be your ideal client that would
come to you and also do you work with peoplevirtually or in person or both?
So I've always done virtual, so I actually gotcertified as a hypnotist in February 2020, two
weeks later everything shuts down.
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So I got started this during the pandemic,everything was over Zoom, I've never actually
had a physical office, right?
But I
just need to be able to see you, I need to beable to hear you, you got to be able to hear my
voice, we don't have to do that in person, wegot Zoom.
So I've got, I've had clients all over theworld, I actually worked with a guy in Siberia
once of all places, right?
It's awesome that way.
But quite frankly, like who do I want to workwith?
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There's basically one kind of person.
One kind of person I want to work with.
Somebody self-aware, understands we've got thetop problems in the way, and is willing to do
the work and go wherever they need to to fixthat problem.
Usually that's these high performers, right,these business people, you know executives and
so forth and so on, you're trying to build yourbusiness, you're stuck, or that's the only
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thing you're doing.
Where your business is rocking and rolling therest of your life is a mess, and you want
something more out of life than just grinding24/7.
Other people it's like they've had a lot ofchallenge in life, they've done a lot of work,
and they're not quite across that finish lineyet.
Because they know there's something else backthere that's not quite clicked, even in spite
of all the work they're doing.
Great, come on here, this is a level of beliefswe just haven't been playing with, not a
problem.
Let's get that anyway, so you can go live therest of your life.
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Do you feel that there are a lot of executiveswho are aware of the fact that there is
something that's holding them back?
I think once you get to that level, it tends tobe more the opposite problem.
I talk in the book about basically two traps,cage and the treadmill.
Cage is where you're like boxed in, might be apain in your fear and anxiety.
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Fair enough, that's easy to see, that's whereyou've got that ceiling, kind of that gap
between where you are where you should be.
The other one is what I call the treadmill.
You got that Batman origin story, right, butyou found a way out.
Academics, business, athletics, touring themilitary, whatever it is.
You're good at it.
You like doing it.
You're getting a lot of rewards for it.
Every time how awesome you are, so you don'thave an idea that you got a problem.
Chasing the carrot, running away from thestick, and that trap is so bad because you're
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not allowed to do anything else.
And a way to tell whether or not that's you,can you take your foot off the gas, or does
that terrify you?
That's really good.
Yeah, if it terrifies you, it means you'rerunning from something, you don't really have a
choice.
Wow.
I love that.
So I love that you've shared all of this withour audience.
If they wanted to find you, do business withyou and say, hey, this guy, he gets me.
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How would they find you?
Well, the book is a great place to start.
Winter Peace, How to End Inner Conflict, MakeSuccess Available, all the different formats on
Amazon.
My website is www.ryanthehypnotist.com.
Come on over, I offer a free 45-minuteconsultation.
We'll sit down, take a look at what's working,what's not in your life, tell you what's going
on, and figure out a way to get you where youwant to be.
That is awesome.
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Ryan, I am just so grateful.
Thank you so much for sharing all of these, youknow, these nuggets with us.
What would you say could be just two to threeteachable somethings that people could actually
take away if they never saw you and they neversaw me again?
What is some takeaway that they could actually,you know, take from this conversation?
Sure.
So I'd say like three different things.
(28:45):
Okay.
Number one, even if emotions are pain, painpoints the way.
If your hand hurts, it says that's because yourhand is busted, there's something there you
need to look at.
So instead of avoiding these things, let itlead you to where the problem is; it's trying
to tell you something.
The second thing I'd say is we often think thatwhat we think and what we feel, one or the
other alright.
This one's right, this one's wrong.
No.
They're both actually 100% true and correct atall times.
You're just looking at the world throughdifferent lenses, forests and trees.
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So if they're different, figure out what has tobe true for both of them to be correct.
To get that, all you have to do is start askingthe question, what am I missing?
That's probably the single most productive,most important question to ask is what am I
missing?
And your mind will help you find it.
That's beautiful.
Wow.
Thank you so much.
I am so grateful that you were here and you'resharing with us.
I am, you know, don't even, I'm kind of alittle stumped because here's the thing is I do
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know about hypnosis and how it helps, and I doknow many people who utilize hypnosis, but then
there's that whole group of people like, oh mygosh, that's just like never touch that.
Being able to navigate and understand that thisis something that would be helpful, is
something that's going to actually help you getpast barriers in your life, and so I appreciate
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you sharing with our audience how there areways in which they could get past those
barriers.
So thank you so much, Ryan.
Well, thank you so much for having me on, Ilove the conversation.
So again, this is Katherine, your host with TheBeyond Business Podcast, and please, I want you
to look up Ryan Christensen.
And Ryan, again, your book is on Amazon.
(30:15):
Yes, it is.
And the name of your book again?
Winter Peace (30:18):
How to End Inner Conflict and Make Success Inevitable.
Alright, excellent.
Well, thank you so much, and I appreciate youbeing with us here today.
Thank you so much for having me.
It was an honor to be here.
You're welcome.
Well, if you made it to this point, then youmade it to the end, and you are my star.
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And I just want to thank you from the bottom ofmy heart.
I hope that you enjoyed the conversation withtoday's guest.
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