Can unresolved trauma create open doors for demonic oppression?
In this powerful episode of The Blind Exorcist, I talk with Debbie Bennett — a deliverance minister, widow, and exorcist — about the deep connection between trauma and demonic influence. Debbie shares how her personal healing journey and work in exorcism revealed the spiritual damage hidden within unhealed wounds.
We explore how inner healing and deliverance often go hand-in-hand, and how self-awareness, compassion, and the authority of Jesus Christ can bring true restoration.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ How trauma can create entry points for demonic oppression
✅ Real stories of freedom through exorcism and healing
✅ Why stored memories and dissociation must be addressed
✅ Debbie’s personal experience with inner healing and deliverance
✅ How trauma affects relationships, identity, and spiritual health
✅ Encouragement for anyone struggling to overcome the past
✅ The importance of evaluating your wounds through a spiritual lens
If trauma has kept you bound, Debbie’s story and insight will help you see that healing is possible — and that Jesus still sets the captives free.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
This is episode number eight.
I'm Justin D, your host.
A big shout out and thank youto everyone who's been listening
and subscribed.
At the end of the podcast I'llgive out that info so you can
know how to follow, subscribe,listen, yada, yada, yada.
(00:23):
I'd like to invite you guys toemail me a question.
You know you're kind of outthere in the void and I'm sure
people have questions, you know,about exorcism, about demons,
even about my blindness or how Ido things.
So if you have a question forme, I'd like to invite you to
hit me up at info at justindcom.
(00:45):
Again, you can email me at infoat justindcom, submit your
question and then next episode,I will read a couple of them and
if we get a ton, then maybeI'll do a whole Q&A episode.
So we'll see.
Then maybe I'll do a whole Q&Aepisode, so we'll see.
With me today I have DebbieBennett and she is a Christian
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exorcist.
I'm going to let her tell youall about her criteria in just a
minute, but she reallyspecializes and focuses in the
area of trauma.
So, debbie, thank you so muchfor coming on to the podcast.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Good afternoon, justin.
It is so good to be here.
I thank you so much for givingme the honor to participate
today.
Thank, you.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You're very welcome.
I was very excited.
Just to let the listeners know,I watched a video of you on
YouTube and your style was topnotch the communication skills,
the teaching skills and this Ibelieve the title was trauma
bonds.
Does that ring a bell?
Uh-huh, yeah, okay, okay, I'mgoing to link to that on the
(01:59):
website.
So, at the end of the podcast,jump over to justindcom.
Look for this episode, which isTBE8.
It should be right there on thehomepage If you're listening to
this.
After the fact, go to thewebsite, click on podcast and
episodes and you'll be able tofind it that way.
(02:20):
So, debbie, let's introduce youto the listeners.
I'm going to go ahead and letyou share what you are, your
background, etc.
So go for it.
Who is Debbie Bennett?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Debbie Bennett loves the Lord and Jesus is Lord and I
just thank him every day forgiving me the opportunity to
speak to many and to sit downand minister to many and to help
people get healed from traumaof the past.
I became a widow in 2014, verysuddenly, and of course, I had
been in a pastor position anassociate pastor position.
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I did teaching and counselingand I knew a little bit about
warfare and things and I wasjust very comfortable, if you
will, in that position.
And my husband passed verysuddenly.
Very it was odd.
He went in for a rotator cuffsurgery and developed a massive
blood clot and was gone within24 hours.
So it was very rare for this tohappen in a shoulder area.
(03:21):
And right after that I just itwas the grace of God that let me
walk through this and agirlfriend of mine called and
said Debbie, you've got to go tothis ministry and, being an
associate pastor, I'm on board.
I said let's go, okay, and Ireally didn't know what I was
walking into until I did.
And I walked into LiberationFreedom Ministry here in Atlanta
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, georgia, and that was in 2014,10 days after my husband passed
.
I walked in there.
I walked in there I saw thepower of God.
I never left and it's strictlyinner healing and deliverance.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Amen.
Pastor Donnie's awesome.
Pastor Donnie's also trainedunder Dr Larson, as am I, and
Debbie in turn, through PastorDonnie, has had training, so
these people know what they'redoing.
I would recommend check outLiberation Freedom Ministries on
YouTube.
There's so much valuablecontent there.
But Debbie, you went to school.
(04:24):
I've seen in your credentialsfor a ministry degree.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I was working in the secular world.
I was at that time doing realestate and just God got a hold
of me and for three or fourmonths I knew that God was
trying to tell me something, butI didn't know what it was and I
was frustrated.
So finally, I just came homeone day and I told my husband.
I said, look, I'm taking abouttwo, three months off.
God is trying to tell mesomething and I don't know what
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it is, but I'm just off from thesecular world right now.
And I'm right with him.
And he spoke very supernaturallyand beyond anything I have ever
had before experienced.
And boom, it was healing anddeliverance, of course, saved,
healed and delivered all thethree in a row.
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But he really emphasized thehealing and the deliverance and
said, ok, all right, I'm onboard.
Deliverance.
And I said, okay, all right,I'm on board.
So I just started learning andI thought, because I needed
discipline and accountability, Ienrolled in a seminary and it
was so good, it was in DC and itwas actually one that you went
to.
It was a college and I just hada great time.
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I grew in the Lord and justkept going forth with that
healing and it was a gradualthing and just kept going forth
with that healing.
And it was a gradual thing andthen boom, it just consummated.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
After my husband passed and then I just went into
that area.
Awesome.
Let's dive into trauma.
A lot of people believe thattrauma is the blatant ones, like
sexual abuse, rape, incest,physical abuse.
But your trauma your husbandpassing was a trauma.
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People may not view it that way.
Or, for example, a best friendcommits suicide, or a parent
loses a child or, in my case, Ilose my eyesight.
There are many traumasfriendships, financial betrayal,
people have lots of moneystolen from them.
So there's all kinds of traumasthat people experience in life.
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But as exorcists as exorcists,we're wanting to share with you
guys that in trauma, demonsoftentimes enter.
Most of the clients that I workwith and I'm sure you as well,
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debbie the traumas that theyhave not went through in a
healthy fashion.
In other words, when somebodygoes through a trauma and they
go for counseling, a lot oftimes they do not pick up demons
because they're going throughit in a healthy fashion.
For example, say, somebody israped, just as an example
picking a type of trauma.
If that person goes forclinical counseling and
processes through that in ahealthy manner, demons 99% of
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the time will not enter becausethey're emotionally being healed
and going through it in ahealthy manner.
Demons 99% of the time will notenter because they're
emotionally being healed andgoing through it in a healthy
way.
However, if someone goes throughtrauma and they do not seek
clinical counseling, then theyare put into isolation,
unhealthy ways of coping withthe trauma.
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So in a rape situation it couldbe alcoholism, it could be
drugs, it could be sleepingaround like crazy, it could be
cutting off emotionally fromevery person, etc.
Etc.
And now these types of copingmechanisms, which are unhealthy,
open people up for demons.
Has that been your experienceas well?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
open people up for demons.
Has that been your experienceas well?
Absolutely.
Demons love to hide behind painand they just hunker down until
something is triggered andba-boom, and then it's revealed
and people just act becausethere is no way.
Sometimes people just have tolook to God and because they've
tried other avenues just notworking.
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And for the inner healing piecefor trauma, it is so essential.
Like you said, if it's resolvedwithin counseling, awesome, it
is beautiful.
But unresolved trauma promotespain and the demons hide behind
the pain and the traumatic event, within what the individual is
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experiencing.
Any kind of trigger willtrigger them throughout their
whole entire life and they getlike this, stuck in this process
of pain, and nobody wants to bein pain.
We want to be free of pain.
We want to have to have happy,productive lives and live for
the Lord and come to yourdestiny and your call yourself,
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which is probably part of whatyou went through in your life.
Your journey is.
Your message will come out ofyour journey.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You mentioned about the pain, and no one wants to be
in pain.
That is so true, and it'sbecause this is why people pick
up coping mechanisms to numb thepain.
And some examples of numbingthe pain of trauma include
things that society see as apositive, for example,
workaholism, having this massiveamount of achievement.
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Oftentimes, people who work andwork it's because of the pain
inside and they're trying toavoid it.
You know, the other thing thatpeople can use to deal with
trauma is exercise.
So you have somebody who hasthe perfect body and our society
says that's wonderful, but thetruth of the matter is that the
person's in trauma, in pain,unresolved, full of demons, and
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using exercise as an escape, away to deal with this pain.
And of course, we can go on andon drugs or alcohol.
Marijuana is huge for people todeal with traumatic pain inside
the marijuana and when theysmoke that it opens up their
consciousness to demons.
I was working with a client thatwas a heavy pot smoker.
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This was fascinating to me andif you Wikipedia, shiva, which
is a Hindu god, ganja marijuanais used in those rituals, and so
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, as I was taking this clientthrough an exorcism, having them
renounce the use of marijuana.
Guess who showed up?
Shiva and I'm talking to thisAmerican woman, mid-30s, and out
of her is the most perfectIndian dialect.
This person is from America,never been to India and, as
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Shiva is manifested in her,entered through the marijuana,
speaking through her in perfectHindu-Indian dialect, you know,
and of course it was expelled,but the trauma was at the root
of that.
This particular girl had pickedup marijuana to cope with the
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trauma that she had been throughand, as a result of that,
opened herself up to demons.
With clients that you've workedwith, what types of coping
mechanisms have you seen themuse for trauma and also, what
are some common demons that youfind hiding in their traumas?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, in dealing with a trauma issue there's a
variety, as you have said, withwomen and with men.
The molestation and rapeconcept and incest is I hate to
say this, but every time I sitdown with a woman they have been
molested and there's a spiritbehind that is lust and
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perversion, incest, perhapsJezebel, it's just a line of all
kinds of demons.
And then, of course, there is aspirit of trauma.
When trauma takes a hold of youand becomes a stronghold, there
is a demon that is presentedand that's the spirit of trauma
and that can have a whole groupof little buddies.
I just love dealing with people, the fragmented heart parts of
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people that have gone throughtrauma and they're really
excited.
They've got their heart openand they're really excited.
They've got their heart open.
They want to deal with whateverwas in the past that created
this hurt, this pain from trauma.
I remember I had a girl and itwas probably the most horrific
case that I've had, but she waslittle.
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She was living on a base.
Her parents were military, theywere out of the country and
they were living with clergy ona base.
Her parents were military, theywere out of the country and
they were living with clergy andwhen they were living with the
clergy they caged her naked,took food from her, only, fed
her occasionally, and then tookher down to the VFW every day
and sold her for sex from theage of about seven on.
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And she had so many fragmentedheart parts, the little parts,
and she had so many fragmentedheart parts, the little parts,
the little children, thateventually I was bringing these
fragmented heart parts up, oneby one and they had a voice.
They had a voice, they wantedto be heard, they were hurt and
I would bring them up and theywould tell their story and then
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I would let them go be withJesus and in the portals.
It was so beautiful becausesometimes they actually got to
see Jesus and to experience histouch of his love and his peace
and sometimes he would actuallybring them something, perhaps a
baby doll.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
This is happening within their imagination as I'm
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speaking to me, and then Sarahand Jenny take the pain of that
trauma, so that the core persondoes not have to feel that, and
so that's basically what you'reexplaining and part of the
healing process.
For each one of those parts asyou're calling heart parts, I
would probably say identity butregardless they're the same
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thing.
They need dealt with just likea normal human being does,
because they are a disassociatedidentity, part of that person,
and sometimes the core person isnot even aware of them.
Have you come across that?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Absolutely, she was not.
She would obviously be there infront of me, but it was so
intense that in fact she couldnot allow a man to minister or
even come in the room.
She would actually get up outof the chair and go to the
corner and go into a fetalposition.
If there was a man's voice orshe felt a man's presence when
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that part came up, oh, run tothe corner of the room and just
go into a fetal.
So I was the only one thatreally could minister to her.
And there were several of theparts there, the DID parts, and
it was precious in so many waysbecause she got free from all
those harbored memories andthose parts and it was beautiful
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what God did with her.
She has such a great testimonyand actually I think her
testimony is on liberation,freedom ministry as well.
Just a beautiful testimony.
Unto the Lord, she got healed.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's what exorcism is healing so people can
emotionally get back to a stablemind, a healed, a restored,
stable mind.
And sometimes the people that Iwork with they are unstable in
many areas of their life andthey try this program and that
program.
They try these seven steps andthis 12-step.
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They've tried this life coach,they've tried this counselor,
they've tried reading this bookand nothing works.
They're still unstable in theirmind and it's because they have
unresolved trauma and they havedemons.
And what comes out of dealingwith trauma is restoration and
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healing.
That's what's so awesome.
I've seen clients be restoredentirely back to a functional,
balanced human being on fire forChrist and stable.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's so beautiful to see people get free of that.
They look at you in so much ofa different way.
They have a different wararound them, their face is
bright, they have smiles now andit's I feel different.
It's good, you should feeldifferent.
So, yes, it is just a great, alove of mine to just minister to
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people that have been throughexcess trauma like this.
It's just amazing how God healstheir brokenheartedness and, of
course, binds their wounds, andit's just beautiful to see that
and to see the outcome thatthey have produced in their life
.
Now they're so much morefunctional, their relationships
are better, their decisionprocess is so much better,
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because trauma creates blindspots.
They can't see, they cannotmake decisions, they cannot have
relationships.
They're like stuck, even intheir careers, and so it's so
essential to get the traumadealt with in your life so
there's no more blind spots andso they can live fully unto the
Lord, amen.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And you mentioned like being stuck and a lot of
people are stuck in life andalso to your point about poor
judgment when you haveunresolved trauma and you have
demons in that trauma, you havevery poor judgment.
So it's hey, I loaned my car tomy best friend for nine months.
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Oh, how are you going to get towork?
I didn't think about that, andthat's just a silly example, but
the judgment is not there.
I'm going to sell everythingand I'm going to move to Florida
.
Do you got a job in Florida?
No, but once I get there, I'llfind one.
It's trauma, it's the poorjudgment because of and to your
point, though, when people arehealed and restored, their
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judgment becomes much more sound.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, absolutely becomes much more sound.
Yes, absolutely.
Another part that I'm doingwith people with trauma
realizing that when somethingtraumatic happens to you, when
it's unresolved, okay, that canaffect your body, the health of
your body, and the CDC says thatyour immunity systems goes down
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from trauma because of thetoxic emotions that are residing
the fear, the anger, thebitterness, the rejection.
All of those toxic emotions canmake you sick and it comes from
trauma and we don't get thattrauma resolved.
The toxic emotions can become astronghold and you can have a
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spirit of fear.
Boom, it becomes a spirit andit holds on.
And that's like I said thedemon hides behind the pain,
within the trauma.
But I have had people justrecently been dealing with
people with cancer.
I go back a few years.
I found out what happened tothem a few years back and now,
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three to five years later,they've got this cancer.
They went through tremendoustrauma and then the toxic
emotions came in, took a hold ofthem, created the illness and
boom.
But God can turn all that messaround.
And cancer?
Personally, I believe it is aspirit and it's obviously not of
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God.
It's an evil spirit.
Cancer is, and part of mytestimony is I was diagnosed
with triple negative and this isprior to me going into
deliverance.
I was an associate.
Yes, I knew spiritual warfareto a degree and I came down with
triple negative.
And I came home I sat down onthe couch, I turned the TV on
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and Richard Roberts was on thereOral Roberts' son and all of a
sudden he said cast that thingout in the name of Jesus.
Somebody's got breast cancer.
Right now it's sitting there onthat couch.
Cast it out, in the name ofJesus.
And he showed me take your handover your breast and cast it
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out.
I kept doing that and doing itfor days.
I did that probably inside oftwo weeks.
I sat down, I took that thingand casting out at that time was
not verbiage, that I knew, justwasn't.
Kept casting that thing out andI had a palm tree outside.
That palm tree died One day.
I got up and I had a palm treeoutside.
That palm tree died One day Igot up and I just loved this
palm tree.
I really did.
It was huge, it was beautiful,it was just every day.
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It was green and luscious andall that.
And I looked out the window ofthe living room.
I said what happened to my palmtree.
I didn't see it.
Now it's very unusual for apalm tree to shrivel.
It'll bend and then die, but itdoesn't shrivel.
That thing shriveled in downthrough the ground and I said,
lord, what happened to my palmtree?
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It was fine yesterday, it wasgreat.
He said you guessed that thing.
It went into the palm tree.
You don't have cancer anymore.
I went back to the doctor tohave it verified.
The doctor says you're fine,there's nothing there.
I said thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Praise God.
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Thank you, lord.
It's just, you know, with thegentleman that was possessed
with a thousand demons.
They, jesus, came and said, getout and run into the swine and
boom, they drowned in the water.
So just, I was blown away.
So I have been reallyincorporating that with people
that have been ill and trying tofind the root where that thing
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came in.
And sickness, disease,infirmity, that's a spirit.
You know, they're spirits andthey're behind it.
You know, and it's amazing thatpeople don't kind of realize
that that being sick is not aGod, it is not of God, it is
evil.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Healing is a part of exorcism, and so people go to
counseling for trauma and Iencourage it, I tell them to.
But oftentimes when people goto counseling it's years past
the event.
The demons are already there.
Okay, so they're causing theanxiety, they're causing the
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panic attacks, they're causingthe suicidal thoughts, they're
causing the restless night'ssleep where you can't go to
sleep at night.
And 15 years past a trauma,you're in counseling now getting
medication and nothing seems tobe helping permanently.
So they may get a little bit ofrelief from medication.
Counseling is helping to acertain degree, but there's
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still this underlying sense ofwhat I define as torment.
Right, they still have thatgnawing inside of the anxiety.
They still have the occasionalsuicidal thought surface, and
that's because the demons aren'tbeing dealt with.
So you know the trauma is beingdealt with through therapy,
which awesome.
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But go to an exorcist.
If you find this fitting toyour situation, as you're
listening to me and Debbiedescribe these things, if what
I'm saying pertains to you, geta hold of me or get a hold of
Liberation Freedom Ministriesand go through an exorcism.
Get rid of the demons that haveentered through the trauma so
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that the therapy and counselingcan even be more beneficial.
I think it's essential for bothto be used right.
It just can't be 100% exorcism,100% counseling.
Those two things need marriedup.
And when there are demons, getrid of them.
And I tell people it's like asplinter.
You get it in your finger,you're in pain, you pull that
splinter out, that's the demon.
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So we, as exorcists, pull thosedemons out.
The splinters are out.
Now you need to heal, andthat's where counseling comes
into play or inner healing withpastors like Pastor Debbie here,
and we work with inner healingwe're trained to through Dr
Larson.
I wouldn't say it's counseling.
It's not, though we're licensedcounselors, but we can provide
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inner healing, which isbasically bringing healing to a
person through the Holy Spirit,prayer, bible scriptures and
just general support.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Inner healing is beautiful.
I love the inner healing piece.
It is so beautiful because whatit leads to, the outcome of
healed, okay, inside, because awound on the outside, when you
cut yourself, it heals, but whenyou have a wound on the inside,
it just festers and festers andgets infected and it spreads
throughout your whole body and,like I said, it not only affects
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your soul but affects yourphysical body as well.
So we love to do the innerhealing piece and obviously do
the exorcism as well, becauseyou get the inner healing done.
That's where the legal rightsreside and then boom, you get
rid of the demon.
Unforgiveness, I'm telling you,I don't know how many times I
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sit down with a Christian thatwant to go through inner healing
and deliverance and yet theyknow they have to forgive, but
they are hanging on to it and,of course, unforgiveness is a
blessing blocker.
You're not going to go anywhereuntil you release these people
to the Lord and let them go,forgive them and just let them
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go to God.
He's got bigger shoulders whenwe do.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, it's hard, but a lot of times they have a soul
tie to that person.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Oh, that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Exactly by breaking that soul tie, I found that
sometimes that can free thatperson up to where they can
actually forgive them.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, it's a mess.
The other thing I wanted totouch on with trauma is that a
lot of people are in denial overtheir lives in general, so they
have all this trauma inside andI will hear people say very
often I'm okay, things are fine,I'm good, I'm good and they're
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not.
And it always baffles me.
I've always been one forself-improvement, I've always
wanted to improve myself, and itjust blows my mind how people
can sit in their infestation ofdemons, their traumas, their
pain, and say everything's okay.
And a lot of times people basethat on and not always, but
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oftentimes it's based on hey, Igot a good job, I got a good
career, I got all these externalthings that our society says is
quote, unquote success.
So because they got that, thenthey're okay, but they're not.
It's such.
It's so sad to me, debbie,because they are in torment,
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they are emotionally sufferingand yet unwilling to humble
themselves and admit that I needhelp.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh, absolutely.
And with denial, sometimesdoubt and unbelief come in.
They don't believe they can behealed and they doubt, they just
doubt and they just and that'sthe spirit.
It's amazing to me, but yeah,it all comes together and doubt
and unbelief are huge.
With denial, they just don'tbelieve they can get well, they
don't, they just think they gotto be that way for the rest of
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their life.
And that is a lie from the pitof hell.
It is a lie and it is soimportant for these people just
to give the inner healing anddeliverance piece a try.
What do they have to lose?
Really?
They don't.
They have other than demons andheartache and pain and trauma.
They have other than demons andheartache and pain and trauma.
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Sometimes I sit in front ofpeople that they're just not
ready.
They're just not ready, theydeny, they doubt and there's
unbelief there and they won'topen their heart.
And that is so sad because whena person they might make an
appointment to come in, but thenwhen you start with them, they
just hunker down.
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Oftentimes we talk about wallsor slash protectors.
We can't get to it, they won't,let us get to it.
Correct, and because theirheart isn't opened.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Dr Larson's wife, laura, came up with this and
it's so true.
She says you have to reveal toheal, bingo girl, that's it
right there, and that's what Itell my clients.
You have to reveal to heal.
You can't hold anything back.
You got to tell everything, man, because that's where the
demons are hiding.
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And that's part of my sloganfor the ministry here is
exposing the darkness, revealingthe light.
So expose that darkness.
If you are listening to this,you're like man.
It's time I got to go for anexorcism.
I'm over this.
I hear what they're saying.
This makes sense.
Whenever you meet with anexorcist, be it me, debbie,
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anyone, absolutely anyone cancome to me and I'll work with
you, and I know Debbie will too.
But when you go, man, you gotto reveal.
I mean, dr Larson was myexorcist.
I met with him for 14 months inorder my life.
You know, I had so much demons,so many demons.
I was so just possessed man andso.
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But at the end of that my mindwas restored, I had stability.
It was amazing to me howquickly my finances became
stable and my savings startedgrowing and growing.
I mean by all means, I'm not amultimillionaire, I don't mean
to paint the picture there, butI am simply conveying that
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stability came into, that cameinto my relationships.
I had went through a divorce.
My wife left me for another guyyeah, so I had to work through
that.
Now check this out.
So, through my exorcism,through my inner healing with
Larson, that part of me that wastraumatized through that was
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entirely healed and restored tothe point.
Check this out.
This is great.
This is how you know you'rehealed and restored this out.
This is great.
This is how you know you'rehealed and restored.
My ex-wife and her new husbandboth had surgery and were
bedridden and I texted myex-wife I said would you guys
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like a meal cooked?
She said I'd love that, thankyou.
Cooked them a meal, Sent it overwith my kids.
I said just bring this over toyour mom and her husband.
And so they brought it over andthere was no resentment, there
was no hostility.
But it gets better, it getsbetter.
All you who've been divorced,betrayed, been through breakups,
(31:28):
hurts, pain, rejection, checkthis one out.
Now it even gets more better.
So my one son is going to getan honor for being in band and
he is going to walk across thefootball stadium and he's to do
this with his parents.
So he comes to me and he sayswould you mind if mom and her
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husband walk on the right sideof me and you walk on the left
side?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Praise God.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And I said that's perfectly fine, let's do it.
Oh, thank you, I'm standingnext to this man who took my
wife, took her, destroyed myfamily, made my children's lives
unstable yes, made mychildren's lives unstable.
And I'm standing there, folkswith absolutely no resentment,
(32:29):
no anger, no hostility, nothing.
I am healed and restored and Iwalked across that football
field with my son on one sideand my ex-wife and her new
husband on the other side, andthe whole time I walked across
that field I was smiling.
What a testimony, and this iswhat I'm telling you, man.
This is not.
This is this is exorcism, thisis trauma healing.
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This is what this is about.
Now, I'm not making this up,folks, when I sincerely tell you
I got no resentment.
This is the guy who stole mywife having sex with her.
Okay, and I'm walking acrossthe field with no resentment.
I'm not in denial.
I know what happened, but thesplinters had been removed, the
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demons then I could heal and Idid Check that out.
So how about that?
To the glory of Jesus Christ.
And so there are peoplelistening right now, gritting
their teeth, being like, youknow, because they got the
trauma, they got the demons,they have not been healed or
restored.
I share that with you guys toencourage you that if I can do
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this you know, as a blind man, Imean when I went through the
divorce, guys I mean I can makeeveryone be in tears in minutes,
the poor little old blind guy.
I mean I can get all you guyscrying.
You ladies, get the Kleenexesout.
I mean I can make themcrocodile tears come out and
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boohoo and all that poor man andall that.
But God has restored me.
You know, I had to leave thehouse that I knew was a blind
man.
I had to find a new house, finda new house, and at the time I
was looking for a house, I felldown steps and broke my right
hip.
So I'm going through a divorce.
I break my right hip.
I got to go through house afterhouse after house to find one.
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Then I had to relearn thatentire home as a blind person.
And there was so much more pastthat.
But all of that trauma person,and there was so much more past
that, but all of that traumathat isn't even touching it.
I mean, good Lord.
But I will tell you this I amhealed, I am restored, delivered
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through the authority of Christ, and you can have the same
thing and it doesn't matter ifyours wasn't relationship, it
doesn't matter what your traumais or was.
You can be healed and restored.
See, one thing with clinicalcounseling is it can't heal you.
The only thing clinicalcounseling can do is teach you
how to cope and use copingmechanisms and reframe your
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thinking and medicate you, andthat's awesome and I suggest
that to people all the time.
I'm pro-counseling, pro-therapy, pro-psychiatry, all that.
I'm pro for it.
I love it.
I believe it's essential forpeople, but it can never heal
you.
Only the Holy Spirit, onlygoing through exorcism, can heal
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and restore you.
Now, what do I mean by heal andrestore?
Well, heal as the pain's gone.
Restore as you can walk acrossthe football field with your son
and not even have resentment.
That's restored.
How?
about you, Debbie?
How about in your life?
Do you have any traumas?
Well, you mentioned yourhusband.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Share something with the listeners.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, you know, I too .
You know a lot of the womenthat sit down with me.
I have said that they have beenmolested and or raped, and I
was both.
And yeah, and.
With a rape it ended up in apregnancy which I very, very
young, I ended up aborting.
So all of these things, all ofthis had to be healed, this
inner healing piece, all theseparts that were hurt and all the
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you know the demons that camein behind them, and it was just
Jezebel Moloch.
Death, premature death,destruction, you name it, it's
in there.
Murder.
Yeah absolutely All of thatstuff.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Old murder likes to be in there, and Moloch with the
abortions, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But go ahead.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, no, no.
All of that had to be resolvedand healed and resolved and
restored.
And God is merciful, he is justoh, god is just like chomping
at the bit.
Let me in, just let me in, giveme a little window here, just
let me into your heart and Iwill reveal.
And the Holy Spirit is my bestfriend.
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I mean, he is my best friend.
Without him I can't do any ofthis.
We can't do any of this withoutthe Holy Spirit.
He is with us 24-7 and he putsup with us and I love him
because of that.
He's with us always.
And so, yes, I understand thattrauma piece tremendously, going
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through all of that.
And then obviously I had somefinancial issues growing up and
oh, mercy.
And then obviously the loss ofmy husband, and it's just.
You know, there's an onslaughtof things that happened in my
youth as well.
So I understand trauma very,very well because of the
experience, the experience ofwhat I went through.
(37:41):
But then I had the encounter ofGod where he went through the
inner healing piece with me.
He got the demons out and nowI'm free.
Do I have to sustain?
As pastors, we always want toget a monthly checkup, is what I
call it just to make sure thatwe're all on board, because we
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minister to people that have alot of demons.
Sure, they do.
They got a lot of demons.
So it's very important, aspastors and ministers that do
healing and deliverance, to geta checkup every now and then.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
And make sure they're good.
They're good to go.
So you know this is, you know,maintaining deliverance.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You're an example of another person that's been
restored Amen.
So not only were you healedfrom your traumas, but you were
restored to a stable mind, astable self-perspective about
yourself, about your body, aboutwho you are as a woman.
That all has been restored.
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So, like I walked across thefootball field with my son,
ex-wife and husband, you walkedacross your own football field
of healing of this is who I am,this is who I am, and that's
such a beautiful story to thepoint where now you're a pastor
and you are helping all of thesewomen because you made that
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quality decision to deal withyour trauma and get rid of your
demons.
Now, I love this.
Tell people quality decision.
I love this analogy.
It's like a high diver thatgoes way up to top of that
diving board Clear up there, man, you know, like in the Olympics
, clear up to the top Walks overto the edge, kind of standing
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there looking down, and thequality decision is when he
decides to jump.
And when he decides to jump,guess what?
There is no turning back.
I was a broken man.
I mentioned this in mytestimony.
You know, listen to Overcomingthe Darkness.
That's my story and I highlyrecommend, if you haven't heard
(39:55):
that people to go to the websiteor find it on your podcast app
Overcoming the Darkness Justin Dstory.
But anyhow, I made that qualitydecision.
I jumped off that platform,that high dive, and when I
jumped off I said I am done.
And I'm telling you, there weretimes I had to crawl back to my
(40:17):
exorcism sessions with Larsonand I would tell those demons
come higher, hell water, you'regoing to the pit.
I am going to that session.
And so it took effort.
It took toil.
And so it took effort.
(40:39):
It took toil.
My exorcism was not easybecause I had been through so
much in life, but I wasdetermined that I was going to
be well and I am.
So, you know, I went from fromthat to where I'm at today,
which is healed, restored andhelping as many people as I can
before I return home toheadquarters.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Amen, that's what we are to do.
We're out there, we've hadthese experiences and we know
how we can feel the pain.
We feel their pain and becauseof that we have an experience
with God and that pain we canhelp so many we really can,
because we've gone through ittoo.
(41:17):
We know, we know and it's soawesome to be on the other side
of it and free just free.
But you know your destiny.
Your destiny is so tied to whatyou've been through, your call
and your destiny, and I thinkGod has it that way, you know.
So it's so important that youknow we take whatever
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experiences that we had and wegive the insight to others and
to help them feel better aboutthemselves and have productive
lives and be happy.
I love that song Happy.
I could play that all the time,and this is a beautiful song,
it's got a great beat to it andjust be happy.
(42:01):
Sometimes it's a tall order forsomeone that's struggling with
trauma, and the trauma, like Isaid a little bit before this,
and the trauma, like I said alittle bit before this, it's got
toxic emotions tied to it whichcan become a stronghold, which
develops into edema, but thesetoxic emotions can make you sick
(42:35):
to the the place because of thetrauma, the hurt, the pain.
They are toxic to your body.
In fact I was doing someresearch, I don't know, but
anyways.
The DNA of a cell, these toxicemotions, if the trauma is
severe enough, can actually seepinto the myelin sheath which is
around the nucleus and changethe cell and then the cell goes
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rogue.
And then rogue is not good.
It causes all kinds of you know, cancer, sickness, disease,
infirmities, infections,bacteria, all sorts of things.
So get delivered.
Get the inner healing piecefrom the trauma.
Get delivered.
Get the demons out so you don'thave to have that ever happen
to you where you're sick, youknow, and close to dying, before
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you do something about it youknow you might be that person's
like.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I've never been molested, never been raped.
I've never had any trauma.
Whatever keeps you up at night,whatever you fester on,
whatever you can't get rid ofout of your thinking, whenever
you think of a certain personand you feel bitter and anger,
there's some trauma there, soyou know.
So that's a good way toself-evaluate.
Have I experienced trauma?
(43:49):
Well, you know, sometimespeople haven't experienced a lot
, but they have experiencedtrauma if they think through it.
You know it doesn't have to bevery blatant things like I
mentioned earlier financialbetrayal, you know.
Maybe someone's taken moneyfrom you, you know.
Or a long-term friendship, aperson just ghosts you and it's
(44:11):
no longer your friend.
No reason, no reason, no rhyme,no nothing, no communication
about it.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
You know that's a type of trauma too, yeah, and
people that are firefighters,ents, nurses, doctors that's
their profession to deal withtrauma all the time.
They need the inner healingpiece.
What they see on a daily basisis horrific.
Absolutely, they need the innerhealing piece.
What they see on a daily basisis horrific and you know when
you see it, you know your, yoursubconscious mind remembers
(44:39):
everything.
You might not remember it, butyour mind remembers everything,
it picks up everything andsometimes that's why we have to
go so deep in the emotionalwounding of trauma.
But these people, yes, that areout there just working within
the fields that God has giventhem the gift in, they go
through trauma every day andpeople don't think about that.
(45:01):
Well, yes, that is trauma.
Being a caretaker of a personthat's been very, very ill,
that's trauma, you know there'sjust, it's endless.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
It is endless and those are great examples too,
and I just wanted to bring thatout again here so that you know
people can be challenged intheir thinking and, you know,
get some help, man.
You know, we all know that mostpeople who want to self-improve
have tried so many things andnothing has been sustainable.
(45:33):
Nothing has brought healing andrestoration.
It's brought coping, but it'snot really brought that healing
and restoration.
That only comes through theHoly Spirit.
So just keep that in mind.
Well, debbie, I think we'regoing to call it a wrap.
We've had a great conversationabout trauma.
(45:56):
Guys you listening, I hope thatyou have found this helpful and
beneficial and challenging.
I want to see every one of youlistening freed, healed and
restored so you could be thatone walking across the football
field.
How about that?
Could be that one walkingacross the football field.
How about that?
(46:17):
At the end of every episode,debbie, I always ask who I
interview to offer words ofencouragement to people, and so
at the end here, I'd like you tooffer some encouragement to
people who have been throughtrauma, who perhaps have been
through therapy and they'restill stinging from it.
They have not been healed.
If you could offerencouragement to them, or people
(46:39):
who's been through trauma havenever dealt with it.
You know, maybe you could offersome encouragement to them.
So go ahead.
What words of encouragementcould you give those people?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
When dealing with a trauma, there is always healing
on the other side.
God is merciful.
He loves you so much.
God loves you so much.
He doesn't want you to staywhere you're at.
His love covers a multiplicityof things and because he loves
us so, very, very much, hedoesn't want us to be unhappy
(47:12):
and to reside within the trauma,the toxic emotions, the battle
that goes on in your mind overthese things.
No, god's love is so enormouswe can't even fathom the love of
God.
Concentrate on the love of God.
Get scriptures on the love ofGod in you, say them out of your
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mouth as an affirmation andjust concentrate on just the
love of God, because he wantsyou saved, healed and delivered
totally so you can have a happyand productive life.
But I encourage you,concentrate on the love of God
(47:57):
and everything else is going toopen up to you.
He will reveal things to you.
He will give you direction, hewill give you wisdom.
He will give you discernment inthe next path that you need to
take where to go, who to see.
The doors are going to open.
All of a sudden.
There's going to be a personpopping in front of you need to
take where to go who to see, thedoors are going to open.
All of a sudden there's goingto be a person popping in front
of you and you go well, where'dthat person come from?
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And that person is a word foryou and heck, I've had words on
billboards and license platesand all kinds of things, but
really hunker in on the love ofGod that will reveal so much to
you and that is starting thathealing process.
Is love, it is just straight uplove and he loves you so very
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much and we love you.
We want to see you saved,healed and delivered.
So absolutely come, you know,for you know a ministry session
with either one of us and anyonethat does the inner healing
piece, or, in deliverance, justgo and see.
Go and see what God will do foryou because he loves you.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You have to have the inner healing component.
Not every deliverance ministryhas that.
A lot of the deliveranceministries are just come out in
the name of Jesus and that's it.
You're free, live happily everafter.
But, as you can tell from whatDebbie and I have been saying,
this is a journey, and part ofthat journey I'd say you tell me
(49:28):
your experience, debbie, but inmy experience 90% of it is
inner healing, meaning emotionalcounseling through the Word of
God and helping and guiding andcoaching.
That's 90% of it.
10% of it is expelling demons.
Has that kind of been yourexperience?
Exactly, I was working with aclient the other day and we just
did inner healing.
(49:49):
I said we're not going to focuson demons, we're going to deal
with this X, y and Z areas ofyour life.
We went for a little over anhour and at the end he said dude
, that's the best session I'veever had, even more powerful
than the exorcism sessions I'vehad with you.
Why?
Because it's essential.
So if you're going todeliverance ministries that
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don't do inner healing, that'swhat you need, man, you got to
have them both.
It's just not casting outdemons.
You got all these traumas yougot to work through and that
takes time.
That's why a lot of deliveranceministries they don't have the
time to sit down one-on-one withpeople and work through all of
the issues we do.
(50:30):
So feel free to reach out to meif you need help.
Go over to wwwjustindcom, clickon appointment in the menu and
pick a date and time that worksfor you and book a session and
let's get this done.
Also, you can reach out toDebbie over at
wwwliberationfreedomministrycom.
(50:56):
So make sure to jump over thereas well.
If she's ministered to you,book a session with her.
The main point here is getfreed up so you can get healed.
Lastly, a couple ways you canget in touch touch, follow me
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(51:17):
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(52:01):
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Hey guys, welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
This is episode number eight.
I'm Justin D, your host.
A big shout out and thank youto everyone who's been listening
and subscribed.
At the end of the podcast I'llgive out that info so you can
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I'd like to invite you guys toemail me a question.
You know you're kind of outthere in the void and I'm sure
people have questions, you know,about exorcism, about demons,
even about my blindness or how Ido things.
So if you have a question forme, I'd like to invite you to
hit me up at info at justindcom.
(00:45):
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question and then next episode,I will read a couple of them and
if we get a ton, then maybeI'll do a whole Q&A episode.
So we'll see.
Then maybe I'll do a whole Q&Aepisode, so we'll see.
With me today I have DebbieBennett and she is a Christian
(01:14):
exorcist.
I'm going to let her tell youall about her criteria in just a
minute, but she reallyspecializes and focuses in the
area of trauma.
So, debbie, thank you so muchfor coming on to the podcast.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Good afternoon, justin.
It is so good to be here.
I thank you so much for givingme the honor to participate
today.
Thank, you.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You're very welcome.
I was very excited.
Just to let the listeners know,I watched a video of you on
YouTube and your style was topnotch the communication skills,
the teaching skills and this Ibelieve the title was trauma
bonds.
Does that ring a bell?
Uh-huh, yeah, okay, okay, I'mgoing to link to that on the
(01:59):
website.
So, at the end of the podcast,jump over to justindcom.
Look for this episode, which isTBE8.
It should be right there on thehomepage If you're listening to
this.
After the fact, go to thewebsite, click on podcast and
episodes and you'll be able tofind it that way.
(02:20):
So, debbie, let's introduce youto the listeners.
I'm going to go ahead and letyou share what you are, your
background, etc.
So go for it.
Who is Debbie Bennett?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Debbie Bennett loves the Lord and Jesus is Lord and I
just thank him every day forgiving me the opportunity to
speak to many and to sit downand minister to many and to help
people get healed from traumaof the past.
I became a widow in 2014, verysuddenly, and of course, I had
been in a pastor position anassociate pastor position.
(02:56):
I did teaching and counselingand I knew a little bit about
warfare and things and I wasjust very comfortable, if you
will, in that position.
And my husband passed verysuddenly.
Very it was odd.
He went in for a rotator cuffsurgery and developed a massive
blood clot and was gone within24 hours.
So it was very rare for this tohappen in a shoulder area.
(03:21):
And right after that I just itwas the grace of God that let me
walk through this and agirlfriend of mine called and
said Debbie, you've got to go tothis ministry and, being an
associate pastor, I'm on board.
I said let's go, okay, and Ireally didn't know what I was
walking into until I did.
And I walked into LiberationFreedom Ministry here in Atlanta
(03:44):
, georgia, and that was in 2014,10 days after my husband passed
.
I walked in there.
I walked in there I saw thepower of God.
I never left and it's strictlyinner healing and deliverance.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Amen.
Pastor Donnie's awesome.
Pastor Donnie's also trainedunder Dr Larson, as am I, and
Debbie in turn, through PastorDonnie, has had training, so
these people know what they'redoing.
I would recommend check outLiberation Freedom Ministries on
YouTube.
There's so much valuablecontent there.
But Debbie, you went to school.
(04:24):
I've seen in your credentialsfor a ministry degree.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I was working in the secular world.
I was at that time doing realestate and just God got a hold
of me and for three or fourmonths I knew that God was
trying to tell me something, butI didn't know what it was and I
was frustrated.
So finally, I just came homeone day and I told my husband.
I said, look, I'm taking abouttwo, three months off.
God is trying to tell mesomething and I don't know what
(04:54):
it is, but I'm just off from thesecular world right now.
And I'm right with him.
And he spoke very supernaturallyand beyond anything I have ever
had before experienced.
And boom, it was healing anddeliverance, of course, saved,
healed and delivered all thethree in a row.
(05:16):
But he really emphasized thehealing and the deliverance and
said, ok, all right, I'm onboard.
Deliverance.
And I said, okay, all right,I'm on board.
So I just started learning andI thought, because I needed
discipline and accountability, Ienrolled in a seminary and it
was so good, it was in DC and itwas actually one that you went
to.
It was a college and I just hada great time.
(05:38):
I grew in the Lord and justkept going forth with that
healing and it was a gradualthing and just kept going forth
with that healing.
And it was a gradual thing andthen boom, it just consummated.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
After my husband passed and then I just went into
that area.
Awesome.
Let's dive into trauma.
A lot of people believe thattrauma is the blatant ones, like
sexual abuse, rape, incest,physical abuse.
But your trauma your husbandpassing was a trauma.
(06:16):
People may not view it that way.
Or, for example, a best friendcommits suicide, or a parent
loses a child or, in my case, Ilose my eyesight.
There are many traumasfriendships, financial betrayal,
people have lots of moneystolen from them.
So there's all kinds of traumasthat people experience in life.
(06:39):
But as exorcists as exorcists,we're wanting to share with you
guys that in trauma, demonsoftentimes enter.
Most of the clients that I workwith and I'm sure you as well,
(07:00):
debbie the traumas that theyhave not went through in a
healthy fashion.
In other words, when somebodygoes through a trauma and they
go for counseling, a lot oftimes they do not pick up demons
because they're going throughit in a healthy fashion.
For example, say, somebody israped, just as an example
picking a type of trauma.
If that person goes forclinical counseling and
processes through that in ahealthy manner, demons 99% of
(07:23):
the time will not enter becausethey're emotionally being healed
and going through it in ahealthy manner.
Demons 99% of the time will notenter because they're
emotionally being healed andgoing through it in a healthy
way.
However, if someone goes throughtrauma and they do not seek
clinical counseling, then theyare put into isolation,
unhealthy ways of coping withthe trauma.
(07:44):
So in a rape situation it couldbe alcoholism, it could be
drugs, it could be sleepingaround like crazy, it could be
cutting off emotionally fromevery person, etc.
Etc.
And now these types of copingmechanisms, which are unhealthy,
open people up for demons.
Has that been your experienceas well?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
open people up for demons.
Has that been your experienceas well?
Absolutely.
Demons love to hide behind painand they just hunker down until
something is triggered andba-boom, and then it's revealed
and people just act becausethere is no way.
Sometimes people just have tolook to God and because they've
tried other avenues just notworking.
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And for the inner healing piecefor trauma, it is so essential.
Like you said, if it's resolvedwithin counseling, awesome, it
is beautiful.
But unresolved trauma promotespain and the demons hide behind
the pain and the traumatic event, within what the individual is
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experiencing.
Any kind of trigger willtrigger them throughout their
whole entire life and they getlike this, stuck in this process
of pain, and nobody wants to bein pain.
We want to be free of pain.
We want to have to have happy,productive lives and live for
the Lord and come to yourdestiny and your call yourself,
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which is probably part of whatyou went through in your life.
Your journey is.
Your message will come out ofyour journey.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You mentioned about the pain, and no one wants to be
in pain.
That is so true, and it'sbecause this is why people pick
up coping mechanisms to numb thepain.
And some examples of numbingthe pain of trauma include
things that society see as apositive, for example,
workaholism, having this massiveamount of achievement.
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Oftentimes, people who work andwork it's because of the pain
inside and they're trying toavoid it.
You know, the other thing thatpeople can use to deal with
trauma is exercise.
So you have somebody who hasthe perfect body and our society
says that's wonderful, but thetruth of the matter is that the
person's in trauma, in pain,unresolved, full of demons, and
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using exercise as an escape, away to deal with this pain.
And of course, we can go on andon drugs or alcohol.
Marijuana is huge for people todeal with traumatic pain inside
the marijuana and when theysmoke that it opens up their
consciousness to demons.
I was working with a client thatwas a heavy pot smoker.
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This was fascinating to me andif you Wikipedia, shiva, which
is a Hindu god, ganja marijuanais used in those rituals, and so
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, as I was taking this clientthrough an exorcism, having them
renounce the use of marijuana.
Guess who showed up?
Shiva and I'm talking to thisAmerican woman, mid-30s, and out
of her is the most perfectIndian dialect.
This person is from America,never been to India and, as
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Shiva is manifested in her,entered through the marijuana,
speaking through her in perfectHindu-Indian dialect, you know,
and of course it was expelled,but the trauma was at the root
of that.
This particular girl had pickedup marijuana to cope with the
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trauma that she had been throughand, as a result of that,
opened herself up to demons.
With clients that you've workedwith, what types of coping
mechanisms have you seen themuse for trauma and also, what
are some common demons that youfind hiding in their traumas?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, in dealing with a trauma issue there's a
variety, as you have said, withwomen and with men.
The molestation and rapeconcept and incest is I hate to
say this, but every time I sitdown with a woman they have been
molested and there's a spiritbehind that is lust and
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perversion, incest, perhapsJezebel, it's just a line of all
kinds of demons.
And then, of course, there is aspirit of trauma.
When trauma takes a hold of youand becomes a stronghold, there
is a demon that is presentedand that's the spirit of trauma
and that can have a whole groupof little buddies.
I just love dealing with people, the fragmented heart parts of
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people that have gone throughtrauma and they're really
excited.
They've got their heart openand they're really excited.
They've got their heart open.
They want to deal with whateverwas in the past that created
this hurt, this pain from trauma.
I remember I had a girl and itwas probably the most horrific
case that I've had, but she waslittle.
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She was living on a base.
Her parents were military, theywere out of the country and
they were living with clergy ona base.
Her parents were military, theywere out of the country and
they were living with clergy andwhen they were living with the
clergy they caged her naked,took food from her, only, fed
her occasionally, and then tookher down to the VFW every day
and sold her for sex from theage of about seven on.
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And she had so many fragmentedheart parts, the little parts,
and she had so many fragmentedheart parts, the little parts,
the little children, thateventually I was bringing these
fragmented heart parts up, oneby one and they had a voice.
They had a voice, they wantedto be heard, they were hurt and
I would bring them up and theywould tell their story and then
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I would let them go be withJesus and in the portals.
It was so beautiful becausesometimes they actually got to
see Jesus and to experience histouch of his love and his peace
and sometimes he would actuallybring them something, perhaps a
baby doll.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
This is happening within their imagination as I'm
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speaking to me, and then Sarahand Jenny take the pain of that
trauma, so that the core persondoes not have to feel that, and
so that's basically what you'reexplaining and part of the
healing process.
For each one of those parts asyou're calling heart parts, I
would probably say identity butregardless they're the same
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thing.
They need dealt with just likea normal human being does,
because they are a disassociatedidentity, part of that person,
and sometimes the core person isnot even aware of them.
Have you come across that?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Absolutely, she was not.
She would obviously be there infront of me, but it was so
intense that in fact she couldnot allow a man to minister or
even come in the room.
She would actually get up outof the chair and go to the
corner and go into a fetalposition.
If there was a man's voice orshe felt a man's presence when
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that part came up, oh, run tothe corner of the room and just
go into a fetal.
So I was the only one thatreally could minister to her.
And there were several of theparts there, the DID parts, and
it was precious in so many waysbecause she got free from all
those harbored memories andthose parts and it was beautiful
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what God did with her.
She has such a great testimonyand actually I think her
testimony is on liberation,freedom ministry as well.
Just a beautiful testimony.
Unto the Lord, she got healed.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's what exorcism is healing so people can
emotionally get back to a stablemind, a healed, a restored,
stable mind.
And sometimes the people that Iwork with they are unstable in
many areas of their life andthey try this program and that
program.
They try these seven steps andthis 12-step.
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They've tried this life coach,they've tried this counselor,
they've tried reading this bookand nothing works.
They're still unstable in theirmind and it's because they have
unresolved trauma and they havedemons.
And what comes out of dealingwith trauma is restoration and
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healing.
That's what's so awesome.
I've seen clients be restoredentirely back to a functional,
balanced human being on fire forChrist and stable.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's so beautiful to see people get free of that.
They look at you in so much ofa different way.
They have a different wararound them, their face is
bright, they have smiles now andit's I feel different.
It's good, you should feeldifferent.
So, yes, it is just a great, alove of mine to just minister to
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people that have been throughexcess trauma like this.
It's just amazing how God healstheir brokenheartedness and, of
course, binds their wounds, andit's just beautiful to see that
and to see the outcome thatthey have produced in their life
.
Now they're so much morefunctional, their relationships
are better, their decisionprocess is so much better,
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because trauma creates blindspots.
They can't see, they cannotmake decisions, they cannot have
relationships.
They're like stuck, even intheir careers, and so it's so
essential to get the traumadealt with in your life so
there's no more blind spots andso they can live fully unto the
Lord, amen.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And you mentioned like being stuck and a lot of
people are stuck in life andalso to your point about poor
judgment when you haveunresolved trauma and you have
demons in that trauma, you havevery poor judgment.
So it's hey, I loaned my car tomy best friend for nine months.
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Oh, how are you going to get towork?
I didn't think about that, andthat's just a silly example, but
the judgment is not there.
I'm going to sell everythingand I'm going to move to Florida
.
Do you got a job in Florida?
No, but once I get there, I'llfind one.
It's trauma, it's the poorjudgment because of and to your
point, though, when people arehealed and restored, their
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judgment becomes much more sound.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, absolutely becomes much more sound.
Yes, absolutely.
Another part that I'm doingwith people with trauma
realizing that when somethingtraumatic happens to you, when
it's unresolved, okay, that canaffect your body, the health of
your body, and the CDC says thatyour immunity systems goes down
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from trauma because of thetoxic emotions that are residing
the fear, the anger, thebitterness, the rejection.
All of those toxic emotions canmake you sick and it comes from
trauma and we don't get thattrauma resolved.
The toxic emotions can become astronghold and you can have a
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spirit of fear.
Boom, it becomes a spirit andit holds on.
And that's like I said thedemon hides behind the pain,
within the trauma.
But I have had people justrecently been dealing with
people with cancer.
I go back a few years.
I found out what happened tothem a few years back and now,
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three to five years later,they've got this cancer.
They went through tremendoustrauma and then the toxic
emotions came in, took a hold ofthem, created the illness and
boom.
But God can turn all that messaround.
And cancer?
Personally, I believe it is aspirit and it's obviously not of
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God.
It's an evil spirit.
Cancer is, and part of mytestimony is I was diagnosed
with triple negative and this isprior to me going into
deliverance.
I was an associate.
Yes, I knew spiritual warfareto a degree and I came down with
triple negative.
And I came home I sat down onthe couch, I turned the TV on
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and Richard Roberts was on thereOral Roberts' son and all of a
sudden he said cast that thingout in the name of Jesus.
Somebody's got breast cancer.
Right now it's sitting there onthat couch.
Cast it out, in the name ofJesus.
And he showed me take your handover your breast and cast it
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out.
I kept doing that and doing itfor days.
I did that probably inside oftwo weeks.
I sat down, I took that thingand casting out at that time was
not verbiage, that I knew, justwasn't.
Kept casting that thing out andI had a palm tree outside.
That palm tree died One day.
I got up and I had a palm treeoutside.
That palm tree died One day Igot up and I just loved this
palm tree.
I really did.
It was huge, it was beautiful,it was just every day.
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It was green and luscious andall that.
And I looked out the window ofthe living room.
I said what happened to my palmtree.
I didn't see it.
Now it's very unusual for apalm tree to shrivel.
It'll bend and then die, but itdoesn't shrivel.
That thing shriveled in downthrough the ground and I said,
lord, what happened to my palmtree?
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It was fine yesterday, it wasgreat.
He said you guessed that thing.
It went into the palm tree.
You don't have cancer anymore.
I went back to the doctor tohave it verified.
The doctor says you're fine,there's nothing there.
I said thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Praise God.
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Thank you, lord.
It's just, you know, with thegentleman that was possessed
with a thousand demons.
They, jesus, came and said, getout and run into the swine and
boom, they drowned in the water.
So just, I was blown away.
So I have been reallyincorporating that with people
that have been ill and trying tofind the root where that thing
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came in.
And sickness, disease,infirmity, that's a spirit.
You know, they're spirits andthey're behind it.
You know, and it's amazing thatpeople don't kind of realize
that that being sick is not aGod, it is not of God, it is
evil.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Healing is a part of exorcism, and so people go to
counseling for trauma and Iencourage it, I tell them to.
But oftentimes when people goto counseling it's years past
the event.
The demons are already there.
Okay, so they're causing theanxiety, they're causing the
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panic attacks, they're causingthe suicidal thoughts, they're
causing the restless night'ssleep where you can't go to
sleep at night.
And 15 years past a trauma,you're in counseling now getting
medication and nothing seems tobe helping permanently.
So they may get a little bit ofrelief from medication.
Counseling is helping to acertain degree, but there's
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still this underlying sense ofwhat I define as torment.
Right, they still have thatgnawing inside of the anxiety.
They still have the occasionalsuicidal thought surface, and
that's because the demons aren'tbeing dealt with.
So you know the trauma is beingdealt with through therapy,
which awesome.
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But go to an exorcist.
If you find this fitting toyour situation, as you're
listening to me and Debbiedescribe these things, if what
I'm saying pertains to you, geta hold of me or get a hold of
Liberation Freedom Ministriesand go through an exorcism.
Get rid of the demons that haveentered through the trauma so
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that the therapy and counselingcan even be more beneficial.
I think it's essential for bothto be used right.
It just can't be 100% exorcism,100% counseling.
Those two things need marriedup.
And when there are demons, getrid of them.
And I tell people it's like asplinter.
You get it in your finger,you're in pain, you pull that
splinter out, that's the demon.
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So we, as exorcists, pull thosedemons out.
The splinters are out.
Now you need to heal, andthat's where counseling comes
into play or inner healing withpastors like Pastor Debbie here,
and we work with inner healingwe're trained to through Dr
Larson.
I wouldn't say it's counseling.
It's not, though we're licensedcounselors, but we can provide
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inner healing, which isbasically bringing healing to a
person through the Holy Spirit,prayer, bible scriptures and
just general support.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Inner healing is beautiful.
I love the inner healing piece.
It is so beautiful because whatit leads to, the outcome of
healed, okay, inside, because awound on the outside, when you
cut yourself, it heals, but whenyou have a wound on the inside,
it just festers and festers andgets infected and it spreads
throughout your whole body and,like I said, it not only affects
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your soul but affects yourphysical body as well.
So we love to do the innerhealing piece and obviously do
the exorcism as well, becauseyou get the inner healing done.
That's where the legal rightsreside and then boom, you get
rid of the demon.
Unforgiveness, I'm telling you,I don't know how many times I
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sit down with a Christian thatwant to go through inner healing
and deliverance and yet theyknow they have to forgive, but
they are hanging on to it and,of course, unforgiveness is a
blessing blocker.
You're not going to go anywhereuntil you release these people
to the Lord and let them go,forgive them and just let them
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go to God.
He's got bigger shoulders whenwe do.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, it's hard, but a lot of times they have a soul
tie to that person.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Oh, that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Exactly by breaking that soul tie, I found that
sometimes that can free thatperson up to where they can
actually forgive them.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, it's a mess.
The other thing I wanted totouch on with trauma is that a
lot of people are in denial overtheir lives in general, so they
have all this trauma inside andI will hear people say very
often I'm okay, things are fine,I'm good, I'm good and they're
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not.
And it always baffles me.
I've always been one forself-improvement, I've always
wanted to improve myself, and itjust blows my mind how people
can sit in their infestation ofdemons, their traumas, their
pain, and say everything's okay.
And a lot of times people basethat on and not always, but
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oftentimes it's based on hey, Igot a good job, I got a good
career, I got all these externalthings that our society says is
quote, unquote success.
So because they got that, thenthey're okay, but they're not.
It's such.
It's so sad to me, debbie,because they are in torment,
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they are emotionally sufferingand yet unwilling to humble
themselves and admit that I needhelp.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh, absolutely.
And with denial, sometimesdoubt and unbelief come in.
They don't believe they can behealed and they doubt, they just
doubt and they just and that'sthe spirit.
It's amazing to me, but yeah,it all comes together and doubt
and unbelief are huge.
With denial, they just don'tbelieve they can get well, they
don't, they just think they gotto be that way for the rest of
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their life.
And that is a lie from the pitof hell.
It is a lie and it is soimportant for these people just
to give the inner healing anddeliverance piece a try.
What do they have to lose?
Really?
They don't.
They have other than demons andheartache and pain and trauma.
They have other than demons andheartache and pain and trauma.
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Sometimes I sit in front ofpeople that they're just not
ready.
They're just not ready, theydeny, they doubt and there's
unbelief there and they won'topen their heart.
And that is so sad because whena person they might make an
appointment to come in, but thenwhen you start with them, they
just hunker down.
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Oftentimes we talk about wallsor slash protectors.
We can't get to it, they won't,let us get to it.
Correct, and because theirheart isn't opened.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Dr Larson's wife, laura, came up with this and
it's so true.
She says you have to reveal toheal, bingo girl, that's it
right there, and that's what Itell my clients.
You have to reveal to heal.
You can't hold anything back.
You got to tell everything, man, because that's where the
demons are hiding.
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And that's part of my sloganfor the ministry here is
exposing the darkness, revealingthe light.
So expose that darkness.
If you are listening to this,you're like man.
It's time I got to go for anexorcism.
I'm over this.
I hear what they're saying.
This makes sense.
Whenever you meet with anexorcist, be it me, debbie,
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anyone, absolutely anyone cancome to me and I'll work with
you, and I know Debbie will too.
But when you go, man, you gotto reveal.
I mean, dr Larson was myexorcist.
I met with him for 14 months inorder my life.
You know, I had so much demons,so many demons.
I was so just possessed man andso.
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But at the end of that my mindwas restored, I had stability.
It was amazing to me howquickly my finances became
stable and my savings startedgrowing and growing.
I mean by all means, I'm not amultimillionaire, I don't mean
to paint the picture there, butI am simply conveying that
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stability came into, that cameinto my relationships.
I had went through a divorce.
My wife left me for another guyyeah, so I had to work through
that.
Now check this out.
So, through my exorcism,through my inner healing with
Larson, that part of me that wastraumatized through that was
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entirely healed and restored tothe point.
Check this out.
This is great.
This is how you know you'rehealed and restored this out.
This is great.
This is how you know you'rehealed and restored.
My ex-wife and her new husbandboth had surgery and were
bedridden and I texted myex-wife I said would you guys
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like a meal cooked?
She said I'd love that, thankyou.
Cooked them a meal, Sent it overwith my kids.
I said just bring this over toyour mom and her husband.
And so they brought it over andthere was no resentment, there
was no hostility.
But it gets better, it getsbetter.
All you who've been divorced,betrayed, been through breakups,
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hurts, pain, rejection, checkthis one out.
Now it even gets more better.
So my one son is going to getan honor for being in band and
he is going to walk across thefootball stadium and he's to do
this with his parents.
So he comes to me and he sayswould you mind if mom and her
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husband walk on the right sideof me and you walk on the left
side?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Praise God.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And I said that's perfectly fine, let's do it.
Oh, thank you, I'm standingnext to this man who took my
wife, took her, destroyed myfamily, made my children's lives
unstable yes, made mychildren's lives unstable.
And I'm standing there, folkswith absolutely no resentment,
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no anger, no hostility, nothing.
I am healed and restored and Iwalked across that football
field with my son on one sideand my ex-wife and her new
husband on the other side, andthe whole time I walked across
that field I was smiling.
What a testimony, and this iswhat I'm telling you, man.
This is not.
This is this is exorcism, thisis trauma healing.
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This is what this is about.
Now, I'm not making this up,folks, when I sincerely tell you
I got no resentment.
This is the guy who stole mywife having sex with her.
Okay, and I'm walking acrossthe field with no resentment.
I'm not in denial.
I know what happened, but thesplinters had been removed, the
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demons then I could heal and Idid Check that out.
So how about that?
To the glory of Jesus Christ.
And so there are peoplelistening right now, gritting
their teeth, being like, youknow, because they got the
trauma, they got the demons,they have not been healed or
restored.
I share that with you guys toencourage you that if I can do
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this you know, as a blind man, Imean when I went through the
divorce, guys I mean I can makeeveryone be in tears in minutes,
the poor little old blind guy.
I mean I can get all you guyscrying.
You ladies, get the Kleenexesout.
I mean I can make themcrocodile tears come out and
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boohoo and all that poor man andall that.
But God has restored me.
You know, I had to leave thehouse that I knew was a blind
man.
I had to find a new house, finda new house, and at the time I
was looking for a house, I felldown steps and broke my right
hip.
So I'm going through a divorce.
I break my right hip.
I got to go through house afterhouse after house to find one.
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Then I had to relearn thatentire home as a blind person.
And there was so much more pastthat.
But all of that trauma person,and there was so much more past
that, but all of that traumathat isn't even touching it.
I mean, good Lord.
But I will tell you this I amhealed, I am restored, delivered
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through the authority of Christ, and you can have the same
thing and it doesn't matter ifyours wasn't relationship, it
doesn't matter what your traumais or was.
You can be healed and restored.
See, one thing with clinicalcounseling is it can't heal you.
The only thing clinicalcounseling can do is teach you
how to cope and use copingmechanisms and reframe your
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thinking and medicate you, andthat's awesome and I suggest
that to people all the time.
I'm pro-counseling, pro-therapy, pro-psychiatry, all that.
I'm pro for it.
I love it.
I believe it's essential forpeople, but it can never heal
you.
Only the Holy Spirit, onlygoing through exorcism, can heal
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and restore you.
Now, what do I mean by heal andrestore?
Well, heal as the pain's gone.
Restore as you can walk acrossthe football field with your son
and not even have resentment.
That's restored.
How?
about you, Debbie?
How about in your life?
Do you have any traumas?
Well, you mentioned yourhusband.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Share something with the listeners.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, you know, I too .
You know a lot of the womenthat sit down with me.
I have said that they have beenmolested and or raped, and I
was both.
And yeah, and.
With a rape it ended up in apregnancy which I very, very
young, I ended up aborting.
So all of these things, all ofthis had to be healed, this
inner healing piece, all theseparts that were hurt and all the
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you know the demons that camein behind them, and it was just
Jezebel Moloch.
Death, premature death,destruction, you name it, it's
in there.
Murder.
Yeah absolutely All of thatstuff.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Old murder likes to be in there, and Moloch with the
abortions, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But go ahead.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, no, no.
All of that had to be resolvedand healed and resolved and
restored.
And God is merciful, he is justoh, god is just like chomping
at the bit.
Let me in, just let me in, giveme a little window here, just
let me into your heart and Iwill reveal.
And the Holy Spirit is my bestfriend.
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I mean, he is my best friend.
Without him I can't do any ofthis.
We can't do any of this withoutthe Holy Spirit.
He is with us 24-7 and he putsup with us and I love him
because of that.
He's with us always.
And so, yes, I understand thattrauma piece tremendously, going
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through all of that.
And then obviously I had somefinancial issues growing up and
oh, mercy.
And then obviously the loss ofmy husband, and it's just.
You know, there's an onslaughtof things that happened in my
youth as well.
So I understand trauma very,very well because of the
experience, the experience ofwhat I went through.
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But then I had the encounter ofGod where he went through the
inner healing piece with me.
He got the demons out and nowI'm free.
Do I have to sustain?
As pastors, we always want toget a monthly checkup, is what I
call it just to make sure thatwe're all on board, because we
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minister to people that have alot of demons.
Sure, they do.
They got a lot of demons.
So it's very important, aspastors and ministers that do
healing and deliverance, to geta checkup every now and then.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
And make sure they're good.
They're good to go.
So you know this is, you know,maintaining deliverance.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You're an example of another person that's been
restored Amen.
So not only were you healedfrom your traumas, but you were
restored to a stable mind, astable self-perspective about
yourself, about your body, aboutwho you are as a woman.
That all has been restored.
(38:47):
So, like I walked across thefootball field with my son,
ex-wife and husband, you walkedacross your own football field
of healing of this is who I am,this is who I am, and that's
such a beautiful story to thepoint where now you're a pastor
and you are helping all of thesewomen because you made that
(39:09):
quality decision to deal withyour trauma and get rid of your
demons.
Now, I love this.
Tell people quality decision.
I love this analogy.
It's like a high diver thatgoes way up to top of that
diving board Clear up there, man, you know, like in the Olympics
, clear up to the top Walks overto the edge, kind of standing
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there looking down, and thequality decision is when he
decides to jump.
And when he decides to jump,guess what?
There is no turning back.
I was a broken man.
I mentioned this in mytestimony.
You know, listen to Overcomingthe Darkness.
That's my story and I highlyrecommend, if you haven't heard
(39:55):
that people to go to the websiteor find it on your podcast app
Overcoming the Darkness Justin Dstory.
But anyhow, I made that qualitydecision.
I jumped off that platform,that high dive, and when I
jumped off I said I am done.
And I'm telling you, there weretimes I had to crawl back to my
(40:17):
exorcism sessions with Larsonand I would tell those demons
come higher, hell water, you'regoing to the pit.
I am going to that session.
And so it took effort.
It took toil.
And so it took effort.
(40:39):
It took toil.
My exorcism was not easybecause I had been through so
much in life, but I wasdetermined that I was going to
be well and I am.
So, you know, I went from fromthat to where I'm at today,
which is healed, restored andhelping as many people as I can
before I return home toheadquarters.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Amen, that's what we are to do.
We're out there, we've hadthese experiences and we know
how we can feel the pain.
We feel their pain and becauseof that we have an experience
with God and that pain we canhelp so many we really can,
because we've gone through ittoo.
(41:17):
We know, we know and it's soawesome to be on the other side
of it and free just free.
But you know your destiny.
Your destiny is so tied to whatyou've been through, your call
and your destiny, and I thinkGod has it that way, you know.
So it's so important that youknow we take whatever
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experiences that we had and wegive the insight to others and
to help them feel better aboutthemselves and have productive
lives and be happy.
I love that song Happy.
I could play that all the time,and this is a beautiful song,
it's got a great beat to it andjust be happy.
(42:01):
Sometimes it's a tall order forsomeone that's struggling with
trauma, and the trauma, like Isaid a little bit before this,
and the trauma, like I said alittle bit before this, it's got
toxic emotions tied to it whichcan become a stronghold, which
develops into edema, but thesetoxic emotions can make you sick
(42:35):
to the the place because of thetrauma, the hurt, the pain.
They are toxic to your body.
In fact I was doing someresearch, I don't know, but
anyways.
The DNA of a cell, these toxicemotions, if the trauma is
severe enough, can actually seepinto the myelin sheath which is
around the nucleus and changethe cell and then the cell goes
(42:59):
rogue.
And then rogue is not good.
It causes all kinds of you know, cancer, sickness, disease,
infirmities, infections,bacteria, all sorts of things.
So get delivered.
Get the inner healing piecefrom the trauma.
Get delivered.
Get the demons out so you don'thave to have that ever happen
to you where you're sick, youknow, and close to dying, before
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you do something about it youknow you might be that person's
like.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I've never been molested, never been raped.
I've never had any trauma.
Whatever keeps you up at night,whatever you fester on,
whatever you can't get rid ofout of your thinking, whenever
you think of a certain personand you feel bitter and anger,
there's some trauma there, soyou know.
So that's a good way toself-evaluate.
Have I experienced trauma?
(43:49):
Well, you know, sometimespeople haven't experienced a lot
, but they have experiencedtrauma if they think through it.
You know it doesn't have to bevery blatant things like I
mentioned earlier financialbetrayal, you know.
Maybe someone's taken moneyfrom you, you know.
Or a long-term friendship, aperson just ghosts you and it's
(44:11):
no longer your friend.
No reason, no reason, no rhyme,no nothing, no communication
about it.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
You know that's a type of trauma too, yeah, and
people that are firefighters,ents, nurses, doctors that's
their profession to deal withtrauma all the time.
They need the inner healingpiece.
What they see on a daily basisis horrific.
Absolutely, they need the innerhealing piece.
What they see on a daily basisis horrific and you know when
you see it, you know your, yoursubconscious mind remembers
(44:39):
everything.
You might not remember it, butyour mind remembers everything,
it picks up everything andsometimes that's why we have to
go so deep in the emotionalwounding of trauma.
But these people, yes, that areout there just working within
the fields that God has giventhem the gift in, they go
through trauma every day andpeople don't think about that.
(45:01):
Well, yes, that is trauma.
Being a caretaker of a personthat's been very, very ill,
that's trauma, you know there'sjust, it's endless.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
It is endless and those are great examples too,
and I just wanted to bring thatout again here so that you know
people can be challenged intheir thinking and, you know,
get some help, man.
You know, we all know that mostpeople who want to self-improve
have tried so many things andnothing has been sustainable.
(45:33):
Nothing has brought healing andrestoration.
It's brought coping, but it'snot really brought that healing
and restoration.
That only comes through theHoly Spirit.
So just keep that in mind.
Well, debbie, I think we'regoing to call it a wrap.
We've had a great conversationabout trauma.
(45:56):
Guys you listening, I hope thatyou have found this helpful and
beneficial and challenging.
I want to see every one of youlistening freed, healed and
restored so you could be thatone walking across the football
field.
How about that?
Could be that one walkingacross the football field.
How about that?
(46:17):
At the end of every episode,debbie, I always ask who I
interview to offer words ofencouragement to people, and so
at the end here, I'd like you tooffer some encouragement to
people who have been throughtrauma, who perhaps have been
through therapy and they'restill stinging from it.
They have not been healed.
If you could offerencouragement to them, or people
(46:39):
who's been through trauma havenever dealt with it.
You know, maybe you could offersome encouragement to them.
So go ahead.
What words of encouragementcould you give those people?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
When dealing with a trauma, there is always healing
on the other side.
God is merciful.
He loves you so much.
God loves you so much.
He doesn't want you to staywhere you're at.
His love covers a multiplicityof things and because he loves
us so, very, very much, hedoesn't want us to be unhappy
(47:12):
and to reside within the trauma,the toxic emotions, the battle
that goes on in your mind overthese things.
No, god's love is so enormouswe can't even fathom the love of
God.
Concentrate on the love of God.
Get scriptures on the love ofGod in you, say them out of your
(47:36):
mouth as an affirmation andjust concentrate on just the
love of God, because he wantsyou saved, healed and delivered
totally so you can have a happyand productive life.
But I encourage you,concentrate on the love of God
(47:57):
and everything else is going toopen up to you.
He will reveal things to you.
He will give you direction, hewill give you wisdom.
He will give you discernment inthe next path that you need to
take where to go, who to see.
The doors are going to open.
All of a sudden.
There's going to be a personpopping in front of you need to
take where to go who to see, thedoors are going to open.
All of a sudden there's goingto be a person popping in front
of you and you go well, where'dthat person come from?
(48:20):
And that person is a word foryou and heck, I've had words on
billboards and license platesand all kinds of things, but
really hunker in on the love ofGod that will reveal so much to
you and that is starting thathealing process.
Is love, it is just straight uplove and he loves you so very
(48:42):
much and we love you.
We want to see you saved,healed and delivered.
So absolutely come, you know,for you know a ministry session
with either one of us and anyonethat does the inner healing
piece, or, in deliverance, justgo and see.
Go and see what God will do foryou because he loves you.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You have to have the inner healing component.
Not every deliverance ministryhas that.
A lot of the deliveranceministries are just come out in
the name of Jesus and that's it.
You're free, live happily everafter.
But, as you can tell from whatDebbie and I have been saying,
this is a journey, and part ofthat journey I'd say you tell me
(49:28):
your experience, debbie, but inmy experience 90% of it is
inner healing, meaning emotionalcounseling through the Word of
God and helping and guiding andcoaching.
That's 90% of it.
10% of it is expelling demons.
Has that kind of been yourexperience?
Exactly, I was working with aclient the other day and we just
did inner healing.
(49:49):
I said we're not going to focuson demons, we're going to deal
with this X, y and Z areas ofyour life.
We went for a little over anhour and at the end he said dude
, that's the best session I'veever had, even more powerful
than the exorcism sessions I'vehad with you.
Why?
Because it's essential.
So if you're going todeliverance ministries that
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don't do inner healing, that'swhat you need, man, you got to
have them both.
It's just not casting outdemons.
You got all these traumas yougot to work through and that
takes time.
That's why a lot of deliveranceministries they don't have the
time to sit down one-on-one withpeople and work through all of
the issues we do.
(50:30):
So feel free to reach out to meif you need help.
Go over to wwwjustindcom, clickon appointment in the menu and
pick a date and time that worksfor you and book a session and
let's get this done.
Also, you can reach out toDebbie over at
wwwliberationfreedomministrycom.
(50:56):
So make sure to jump over thereas well.
If she's ministered to you,book a session with her.
The main point here is getfreed up so you can get healed.
Lastly, a couple ways you canget in touch touch, follow me
and get notified of new episodes.
(51:17):
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(52:01):
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