February 14, 2024 • 69 mins
Can a family break generational curses and reclaim their spiritual legacy through deliverance?
In this powerful episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with Asis and Nyna Majothi from South Africa to hear their incredible testimony of overcoming demonic oppression, religious rejection, and spiritual confusion. Their journey spans apartheid, a conversion from Islam to Christianity, and the desperate struggle to save their son from demonic influence brought on by marijuana use and New Age practices.
After being turned away by their church, Asis and Nyna found help through Dr. Bob Larson. We discuss their personal exorcism sessions, how they broke ancestral curses, and why psychology alone couldn’t set their son free. Now certified exorcists themselves, they’re helping others find freedom through the authority of Jesus Christ.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ The dangers of New Age practices, marijuana, and open spiritual doors
✅ How Christians can have demons—and what most churches miss
✅ The role of ancestral curses in generational oppression
✅ Why faith, exorcism, and biblical deliverance go hand-in-hand
✅ How parents can free future generations by confronting their own demons
✅ The power of Revelation 12:11 in breaking spiritual bondage
✅ Why some healing requires both exorcism and inner healing
This episode is a reminder that true freedom comes from confronting darkness head-on—with the authority of Christ and the word of your testimony.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
exposing the darkness , revealing the light.
And we are back at it.
My friends, welcome to theBlind Exorcist.
We are up to episode 19, and 20is just around the corner.
Thank you so much for tuning inand coming along on our journey
(00:22):
.
I appreciate you.
Thank you for listening and youknow what to do, right, just
tap on share, get this out toyour family and friends, post it
out on your social media andalso join and subscribe to the
podcast if you haven't already.
You're gonna enjoy this episode19.
Here I'm interviewing Aziz andNina.
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They are from South Africa andthey are an exorcist husband and
wife team and, oh my gosh, dothey have an amazing testimony,
amazing story being raised inSouth Africa during the
apartheid era.
Fascinating.
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They themselves having demonsbeing introduced to Dr Larson,
going through exorcism sessionsand then they themselves
becoming exorcists.
Aziz is Indian, he was Muslim,he became a Christian
Fascinating story we're gonnahear.
Nina is Indian and SicilianInteresting bloodline there and
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we're gonna talk about that tooand how she became a Christian
and how she went throughexorcism sessions and became an
exorcist.
But this episode is really fullof a lot of history of South
Africa Fascinating.
You're gonna wanna listen tothis man, I'm telling you this
is so interesting.
And then to incorporate theMuslim religion and the
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practices that Aziz was involvedin Fascinating.
So get ready for a greatepisode.
This is gonna be veryinteresting.
I think you're gonna reallyenjoy it.
Let's put it this way when wewere done with the interview and
I had stopped on record, I wasspeechless, and that doesn't
happen.
As you guys know, I have thegift of gab, heavily anointed
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with the gift of gab, where Ican just dog and dog.
Right At the end, I wasspeechless and I told them.
I said, guys, I don't know whatto say, I am speechless.
The beauty of the testimony andthe movement of God in these
people's lives just outstanding.
So get ready, this is gonna bean awesome episode.
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Sit back, relax, enjoy this andmake sure to share it out to
again your family and friends oranyone you know that's Muslim,
or anyone that you know isSicilian.
They will get a lot out of this.
So get ready, this is gonna bean awesome episode.
Without any further ado, let'sgo.
Aziz, nina, welcome to theBlind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Thank you, Justin, for having me and Nina on.
It's really a blessing to behere with you today.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Hi Justin, thank you, thank you so much, really a
blessing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I would like to thank both of you for taking the time
to come on and speak with us.
I'm excited, guys.
These are a wonderful couplewho are exorcists in South
Africa and they have beentrained by Dr Larson, so I'm
very excited to step in theirstory and see how in the world
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does a husband and wife becomeexorcists?
And Aziz and we'll get intothis he was Muslim, he's now a
Christian exorcist, and so atfirst we're gonna talk about
where they were born and alittle bit about their childhood
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.
Then we're gonna talk about howdid they get into exorcism as a
ministry, and then after thatwe're gonna flush out some of
the concepts around exorcism,maybe talk a little bit about it
, educate people about it some,and then, from there, see where
the Lord wants to lead us.
So as a start, aziz, can youtell the audience where you were
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born and what was it like beingraised as a child in your
country?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Thank you, justin.
So I was born in a SouthAfrica's geography towards
Botswana and there's a bordertown, a rural town, and I grew
up in a Muslim home.
As you said, we were fourbrothers and we grew up in a
very, let's say, loving Muslimfamily and being a practicing
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Muslim used to be in Madreya andmosque quite often.
So that was the practice.
You spend a lot of time in thecommunity as a Muslim and this
was important.
My parents were loving, mygrandparents were loving towards
me.
As a child.
We, I would say, would be thetypical normal family with no
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major challenges or issues.
We then decided, due toeconomic reasons, dad moved to
find work and we moved intocloser into the middle of the
country, towards Johannesburgfor the audience, maybe to keep
it simple, but close toJohannesburg, there was a little
let's call it Indian town,because at the time we were in
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the middle of apartheid, we werestill segregated at that time.
So we grew up in a very smallIndian community, again as a
practicing Muslim.
So, as I grew up in this Muslimfaith, let's call it, I would
say that I was a Muslim that waspracticing.
So I did mosque, I did thefasting, the 40 day fasting.
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So I was really a practicingMuslim.
I joined a Sufi group at a veryyoung age.
My dad asked that I join, sofor those that don't know, it's
almost like a mystic sect in theMuslim faith and so I was asked
to join this.
So very typical, I would say,for my upbringing.
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Nothing extraordinary at thatpoint in time.
So yeah, my childhood was, Iwould say, normal, with no,
let's say, major issues in mylife.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Thank you, aziz.
That is fascinating.
We'll definitely flush that out.
About the Sunni and yourinvolvement in that, I'm
interested to talk about that.
But first let me jump over toNina.
Nina, can you tell us where youwere born and what your
childhood was like?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I was born in a place called Lady Selborn.
It is part, it was part ofPretoria, in a where nuns, a
convent, where nuns are, andthat's basically where I grew up
until the group segregation actcame into being, with the
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apartheid laws, end and end, andwe were forced to move, like
Aziz, you know, segregationbecame a real thing.
So my childhood, I would say,was I will use the term very
colorful.
It was beautiful.
I know that I was a veryspoiled little, privileged
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little girl.
Yeah, that is about what I cantalk about.
In terms of religion.
There were all kinds ofreligious practices that my mom
bought into.
However, I must say that shecame from her dad and her
grandfather were Muslim, butfrom a different background than
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Aziz's.
There's not just one type of,but also the intermingling of,
different races in this countrywhen, I think, I turned three
years old, became an issue andthat's when my life became
interesting as well.
But, yeah, in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Thank you so much, nina, for sharing about your
childhood and it's interestingabout.
I've watched lots ofdocumentaries about South Africa
and apartheid and to havepeople here that actually
experienced it.
I would like to flush that outa little bit for the audience so
that they can understand whatthis exactly was like for each
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of you.
So let me start with you, aziz,first of all.
If you could let us know whatis your ethnicity and then share
with us how the apartheidimpacted you in your life.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yes, justin, so I'm actually.
I grew up as an Indian in, as Isaid, in the Lordyum in the
Indian community.
I say I grew up as an Indianonly to find out later I think
my mom was saying that her momwas Portuguese.
So I have some Portuguese in me.
Some of them are very smallpercentage, but we grew up
Indian.
And if you know, from, as Isaid, apartheid, when we started
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apartheid in the country, wewere all classified in different
let's call it groupings.
So you had a classificationwhite, indian or Asian colored,
so I think in the US it's like amixed race, almost the term
which is not a PC or politicallycorrect term, but I'm just
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trying to explain.
And then you added the blackcommunity and so the country was
segregated or separated indifferent townships according to
the community you belong to.
So we at the time wereclassified as Indian and we had
to live in an Indian townshipclose to Johannesburg.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And Aziz, when you were segregated what was the
reasoning behind that from theactual government?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Justin, it was interesting.
So I was obviously a young boy.
But their point was, it startedoff from the Africans let's
call it government at the time,or the Dutch government, or
Dutch descendant, shall I say.
They used actually the Bible asa basis for their reasoning,
but in fact they felt all otherrace groups were inferior
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compared to the European orwhite race group and so they
developed this segregatedcommunities based on this
because they didn't want, let'ssay, inter-community
relationships or marriages.
In fact it was according to thecountry's laws at the time.
It was illegal for you to getmarried to a white person if you
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fell in the other race groups.
So this was legislated in lawat the time.
Let's say, with God's blessing,this has obviously changed since
1994, and I think it's muchbetter today and there's a lot
of, let's say a lot of hurt thatGod has helped most of the
communities to get through.
I wouldn't say it's done, butthere's still a lot of work that
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God needs to do.
But at that time for us it wasnormal.
Growing up in this segregatedcommunity.
We thought it was normal tolive separately as Indians.
This was quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And in 1994, what was it that drove the government to
stop with the apartheid?
Aziz, I'm asking you that.
I'm curious on that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Just since at the time, I think there was a lot of
international pressure on thelocal South African government.
At the time there was a lot ofhelp given to, let's say, those
that fought what's commonlyreferred to in the country as
the struggle.
I am not one of those because,as I said, it was as normal to
live as Indians and I didn't seean issue with this.
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But at 1994, I think it was alot of pressure from
international governments andalso from the inhabitants of the
country.
There was a lot of unrest andpolitical unrest at the time and
it was a combination of manyfactors that actually led to the
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government realizing that theyactually sitting on a powder
cake and if nothing is done, thecountry will actually end up in
anarchy and unrest.
With God's grace, I think God'sin the Bible it says God works
on the king's hearts and I thinkin this case, the president at
the time realized that it wastime to stop apartheid, of
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segregation for the country andthey worked with, let's say,
with the, with Nelson Mandelaand he's a team, to try and get
the country out of apartheid.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, Very interesting.
Yes, I just watched adocumentary on Nelson.
It was fascinating.
What a wonderful person to helpwith all of this.
Nina, coming back to you andtalking about apartheid and the
impact and how you felt, whatwas your ethnicity and what are
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your thoughts on when you wereliving in this apartheid
segregation- For me it wasbasically what is just spoke
about.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
My background, or my biological dad is a Sicilian and
when the apartheid wasinstalled into the country, I
guess I was about three or fouryears old.
My mom had a choice and shechose to hide me in plain sight.
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I don't know that makes anykind of sense, but now that I'm
thinking about it, she lived ina lot of fear.
I was free as a child and shehid me away, as it were.
So, yeah, this was coupled withthe fact that she would always
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say things to me like it's notgoing to be forever.
She knew the undergroundmovements of what was going to
happen when the new governmentcomes into power, when the
street names would be changed,when, because I saw the
restriction we were.
If you get onto a bus, forexample, as a child, you with
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mum, you get onto the bus, yougoing to town with mum.
There are different bus stops,so the one says white blankers
or whites only, then the otherones for barn tubes, which is
black, and then the other is forall other.
And I remember when I was incollege, the one day I stood at
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the all other and the white busstopped for me and I was so
fearful that I said you know, go, don't even stop.
That is the kind of fear nowthat I'm thinking about it as an
adult that we actually grew upwith of the white man, of
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basically not stepping over thatline, because my mum used to
tell me what they would do Like,for example, with the black
people, especially if they foundthem on the streets after 6 pm
in the evening and they didn'thave a book.
It was called like it's not apassport, it's a passbook.
They would pick you them up andthey would literally not even
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give them a trial and they wouldliterally hand them.
That is how this apartheidgovernment ruled this country.
I was as a child, you spoiled,hidden away, because if mum was
caught out with who my father isand she, I would have been
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taken away, they would havelocked her up and the
repercussions would have beenparallel to that is always
hearing the stories.
She spoke about what they doand seeing it.
The fear that drove this countryis they don't speak about it.
It was ruled by the apartheidgovernment with fear, fear of
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being killed without a trial,without even if you were just a
deeper shade of dark, whateverit was and there was a dispute,
you would be literally what mymum used to say, taken to the
gallows and hanged.
Today they have closed thegallows, the hanging gallows.
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That was apartheid in thiscountry.
So for me it's the fear.
So I think I grew up with it.
Don't look at me too much.
No, I'm not.
I'm trying to blend into theIndian community, as it were,
trying to simulate into thatwith my Mediterranean skin, my
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lighter eyes, my straight hair.
It wasn't comprehensible, but Imanaged to blend in.
But fear, justin ruled thiscountry to a point where the
white African government, thewhite man, was right and
everything else was wrong.
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And they never talk about it orif they publish things, it was
never out of this country howthey murdered on the farms and
without inciting violence byevery year's.
This and it was a big thing.
I think the day when thecountry with Nelson Mandela got
together and the ex-governmentand decided on he could have
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turned, mandela could haveturned and decided, fast
forwarding now to 1994, 1996,they could have literally turned
on the country and killed.
But they decided let's make ita peaceful transition, let's do
it, and he would become thefirst black president of this
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country and this was aspiritually a big moment for the
country as well as for thepeople.
It's not reparation for theblood that was spilled, but
between growing up in 1994, 1996, it was really we could.
We voted for the first time weis in the entire country,
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because in the past only thewhite men could go and vote, and
it's not spoken of outside ofthis country or unless you are
from South Africa.
There was a lot of bad that wasdone in the name of.
I have a white skin, so hence Iam like like Hitler, I am
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superior, the Aryan nation, thattype of superiority which, yeah
, so the fear, so every what wasbecame normal to us was living
in the shadows of not steppingout of line, not going to the
wrong bus stop, not even theschools were segregated.
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Oh, there was a lot.
So you couldn't get aneducation at a university or a
higher place of learning if youwere non white and if you were
black, if it was even worse.
Yeah, this country was.
It was a lot of fear at, yeah,without going too far with it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Nina, thank you so much for giving us history on
how bad this really was insideof the country.
And you are correct, I live inAmerica and we hear some about
it.
We have some documentaries thatthat we can watch, but to
actually hear it from somebodywho experienced it is an
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entirely different matter.
So all I can say is thank you,jesus, for stopping this in
South Africa.
And I'm sure it took time toadjust once the segregation had
been removed Psychologically.
I'm sure it took quite a whilefor both of you to become
comfortable and used to beingfree.
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And speaking of freedom, let'stransition over to Christianity
and how Jesus Christ became bothof your saviors and at a
certain point in time you bothbecame a Christian.
Aziz, I'm going to come backover to you.
And how did you hear aboutChristianity and how did you
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become a Christian?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Justin, as I said, I was a Muslim at the time and I
can't express the hatred I hadfor Christians or Jesus as the
Christians described him,because, as a Muslim, jesus was
at that time a prophet like anyother prophet before.
So if a little about Islam I'msure you in your podcast, had a
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few ex-Muslims you'd know thatall Muslims are not equal, if
that makes sense.
So within the Muslim faith, andtoday even, there are a lot of
different belief systems andrituals that I perform.
So for me at the time, I'd say,growing up as a Muslim, I never
I saw the church, because welived, by the way, in this
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Indian community.
We had multiple faiths, soIslam, hindus, catholics,
methodists, so they had theirplaces of worship in the area
but they knew not to, let's say,try and evangelize across the
different faith lines, becausethis was frowned upon.
So when I grew up, I didn'tknow Jesus and I didn't want
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anything to do with this Jesusthat the Christians believed in,
but let's say God.
I think our Lord has a greatsense of humour and loves us,
because he put me in front ofthis beautiful wife of mine.
So when I saw her I told herlisten, I love you and know,
somewhere in our future we aregoing to get married to each
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other.
Eventually, we got married justto keep it short and for me it
was a blessing, but I still wasa Muslim, so I got married in
the Muslim faith.
In fact, nina was a Christianat the time and she had to
convert to Islam or else wewould not be getting married.
And this was quite at that time, as a Muslim, quite the victory
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, because I thought, hey, I'mgetting one Christian out of the
faith and joining the Muslimfaith, little knowing that my I
call it a firecracker wife ofmine was an undercover Christian
.
So, even though she got marriedto me as a Muslim, she kept the
Bible and she would keep thefaith and reading the Bible and
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praying for me with a mum at thetime in the toilet or in places
where I can't see, and her mumand her prayed on some of my
clothes.
I didn't know about this.
Obviously they were praying formy freedom into this wonderful
let's call it relationship withJesus Christ.
I don't like to call it areligion, but a relationship
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with Jesus Christ and the HolySpirit started working with me
because then, eventually I think, I realized there was something
wrong and I was searching in mylife because something happened
to our son.
Our son had a bad accident andalmost died and I was praying to
my Muslim god, allah, with noresults.
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And Nana stepped in with themum and said now it's time,
we're not keeping it, we're notkeeping it hidden anymore.
And they prayed for this, formy son, and he had a miraculous
healing.
So at that point I was quiteconfused because I thought I was
serving the one and onlythrough God, as they say.
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But today I know that it's notthe case, but at that time I
thought it was.
Then I started searching and, asI used to go to mosque, I
started praying, and so, if youknow the Muslim faith, you pray
five times a day.
There's a certain rituals.
You'd perform certain prayersyou'd perform and then you leave
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to mosque.
But at the end of the prayerpart I just sat there and I
prostrated and I prayed thisprayer and I think it's one that
many ex-Muslims wouldunderstand.
I just prayed a simple prayer.
I said Lord, I'm not interestedin any other God, but the true
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God, but the true God, the one,only true God that is created,
created the heavens and theearth.
So I did not mention a specificGod.
But I did not mention aspecific God, but I just wanted
to know the Creator of theuniverse, the one that created
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me, the one that created theearth, the one that brought
everything into existence andthat started me on a journey.
Because I believe the HolySpirit was already working with
me at that time.
And then I started speaking toNaena about this Jesus, because
the Holy Spirit softened myheart to Jesus and his message.
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And we started talking andNaena shared with me some videos
on preaching about this Jesus,this God.
And so, yeah, it is interesting.
I think it's in John where Godis described or Jesus is
described as the world was withGod and the world became flesh
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and dwelt among us.
And I saw this whole video andI was really glued.
It made sense to me.
What was being described andwhat was being shared by this
pastor at the time really madesense.
And I believe it made sensebecause the Holy Spirit was
working in me to understand whatthe pastor was saying.
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If someone had shown me this,even two, three years before
that, I would have probablybroken the TV screen because
it's blessed for me as a Muslim,but because of what happened
with my son and I could see thatthere was something in Jesus
that I needed to find out.
It led me to that point and Godstarted opening me up and I was
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still searching, but I did notfind the right answer, the right
moment.
But I understood that I'mheading in the right direction.
In fact, I then decided therewas a big evangelist coming to
the country and I needed to goand drop a mum and a self.
At this event, I was still aMuslim, still going to mosque,
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and I said, okay, I will go, Iwill drop you at the entrance
and then I will come back home.
But when I got there, Irealized that they were quite
far away and it was not in avery secure place and I said,
okay, I'll go with you guys andI'll stand there.
This is a Muslim and nothing isgoing to actually impact me.
But when I was standing thereand I was just looking at this
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and I said, god, this can't beyou, because there's people
jumping around, singing, happily, clapping, this can't be you.
And I remember it was rainingthat day and I said, god, who
are you?
Who are you?
Who are you, lord?
And I heard the audible voiceof God speaking to me at that
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moment and God says I am JesusChrist.
Justin, you wouldn't believe it.
Just sharing it again.
It's such a blessing to havereceived such a word from the
Lord.
And from that moment on I didnot tell Nina or her mom what I
experienced because I stillprocessed it.
I work in IT, a very logicalperson.
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I had to go home and process it, but I knew at that moment that
, hey, this is God, and Istarted reading and praying
before the Lord.
Nina had a Bible in the houseand I used to just go through
the Bible and the Lord also usedMatthew 5, which was quite an
inspiration and a support for meduring this time.
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Eventually I told Nina listen,love, I am now born again.
I don't want to serve the devilanymore and I want to serve the
true God, the true Lord of thisworld.
His name is Jesus Christ.
And Nina then took me to churchwhere I gave my life to the Lord
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, and this was in 1995, so justaround the time when we came out
of apartheid, and she wasobviously very happy and so it
was a little blessing to us,obviously not knowing at the
time, but I had to share thiswith my Muslim family and this
really caused, as you canimagine, quite a big problem,
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because as a Muslim, you are notallowed to leave the Muslim
faith by law.
They would have allowed to killyou.
But I think it was a blessingto actually be in a Christian
country, because I got supportfrom a lot of Christian brothers
who I never knew, to try andprotect me.
But, let's say, when I sharedthis, they started persecuting
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me and my family.
They came to my house andactually threatened to kill us
and threatened to harm us, butnot only me, but the entire
family, meaning my wife, my kids.
So at that point, obviously alot of prayer and Nina sharing
some of the word through thechurch also got a lot of support
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from the family.
But it was very tough andactually during this time the
Lord encouraged me with a vision, because actually what happened
is, as I slept one night, Islept, the Lord showed me a
dream or vision where there wereangels and camped around the
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home where I was living at and Iwas winked up to winked up and
this is a prayer, it's in myprayer life today, I always use
this but so the angels were in,camped around the house and
winked up to winked up and therewas the enemy demons trying to
attack us, meaning my house andmy family, and they were
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repelled by God's angelic forceswho was protecting us.
In fact, eventually I started,let's say, meeting up with some
of my family again because theystarted softening and one of my
cousins actually said he dealsin the mystic arts and started
praying to harm us.
And he said, as he believed, hewas sending angels, but it was
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not angels.
The demons, as these are angels, could not penetrate your house
to harm you.
And so he just confirmed whatGod shared with me in my dream.
This was really a blessing andfrom that moment on, as they say
, it's history.
I don't look back.
I love the Lord.
The enemy can take everythingaround me, away from me, but I
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will always serve the Lord.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Thank you so much, Assis, for sharing your
testimony.
How powerful I love how theLord just kept working on you
and I'm muted on my end.
But when you said that Nina andher mom were praying over your
clothing, I burst out laughing.
Yes, that is the love of a wife.
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And that was your first mistake.
You married a Christian.
So, anyhow, Nina, let me comeback to you Now.
You had to have been absolutelythrilled when your husband said
that he wanted to become aChristian.
Tell us about what was it liketo experience that as a wife?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, a young wife it was actually.
I was thinking about ityesterday.
I was praying, which may not bea good way to pray as a wife
because, as he said, I was thecloset Christian.
I was forced to convert toIslam and I prayed to God in the
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bathrooms and behind the scenes.
My cry to God was Lord, eithersave him or end his life, which
doesn't sound right.
However, it's two ultimatumsand I never thought that God
would could save him.
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And I remember the day when hespoke about when we were at that
big conference.
It was massive, an outdoorvenue, that was just, you know.
I looked at him and my momlooked at him and there were
tears streaming down his faceand we both looked at each other
and as the realization came tome, it became what was the word
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that I can use Father, youanswered my prayer.
There was no fear about it.
There was an untold amount ofjoy.
I never counted the persecutionthat would soon follow To me.
It was then the children wouldbe redeemed, but by then we'd
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already had my eldest daughterand my son.
So it was a moment that I knowthe God that I serve is alive.
I know that the God that Iserve answers prayer, and that
prayer came out of desperation.
So there was going to use theword peace that came upon us
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that you can't buy, that kind ofpeace.
The Holy Spirit's presence uponthe two of us and our young
family was tangible and thereare no words that I can use to
actually describe those fewmonths or moments.
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And then, of course, soon, Ithink a few months after that I
think it's when Aziz's mom askedhim because they didn't know,
can you come in?
They fast and then they break.
They have a big thing andprayers, they call it Ramadan
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and he said to his mom withouthesitation I can't.
And then she said oh, is it thewife?
Again, no, because I'm aChristian and I think heaven and
hell stood still at that moment.
And then I wouldn't say theHoly Spirit left us, but the
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peace and that we had, for thosejoyous moments, turned into
persecution and hell coming fromthe outside.
But for those moments to answeryour question, justin, there is
no words, to one day when weare with the Lord, we will know
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in His presence what it is like.
So for those few months, Idon't even have a word beyond
peace that the Englishvocabulary can describe.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
What a wonderful testimony.
What a wonderful testimony.
Thank you, jesus.
And when you mentioned, nina,that when Aziz said I cannot
attend Ramadan, that heaven andhell stood still, and of course,
as an exorcist, I'm nodding myhead and saying yes, absolutely,
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because that is when thespiritual conflict started.
And of course, it started withpersecution towards you guys and
your family and so forth, butreally, as you guys know, it was
demons and the Lord.
There was a conflict.
You guys, at that point in time,started to experience true
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spiritual conflict and, like yousaid earlier, aziz, the Sunnis
have a lot of supernaturalpractices into the mystic arts,
so there's a lot going on atthis point in time in both of
your lives.
Obviously, you guys needed anexorcism at a certain point in
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time.
So let's transition into thatjust for a minute.
I understand that you guys atsome point in time met Dr Bob
Larson and I'd like to talkabout that.
Aziz, let's flush this out alittle bit.
So you're an ex-Sunni andsomehow you meet Dr Bob Larson.
I'd like you to share with us alittle bit what was it like,
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first of all, experiencing thedemonic attacks in your life?
Secondly, how did you meet DrLarson?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Justin, just to actually say, as anybody coming
to Christianity and being bornagain comes with an old host of
baggage and the baggagesometimes is not that good.
So for me at least, whathappened is during our journey
we loved as believing Christiansand what actually triggered our
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kind of connection with thepastor Bob when he was in South
Africa was actually our son.
So at the time our son,unbeknownst to us, was involved
in, let's say, a cult practicewith his friends and this
actually led to some conflict inthe house.
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In fact it got to a stage wherehe had strong manifestations
and we were searching for helpfor him in the Christian
community, but also obviouslyfrom a psychological perspective
as well.
Psychologically he got the helphe needed, but at the time when
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this happened actually not manyChristians understood what was
going on and actually tried toactually deliver my son.
But as we know today throughour teachings with Pastor Bob
that your mind needs to be firststole so you can't actually
treat a.
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You got to get first treatedpsychologically or mentally to
bring your mind stole so that wecan actually go into
deliverance and exorcism.
But at the time mom and Ididn't know this, so we were the
typical evangelical Christians,and I remember my son
manifested in the garden and weboth tackled him to the ground
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and we started or at least Itackled him to the ground and
mom and I started praying fame.
We didn't actually realize itwas in the middle of a psychotic
break, so for us it actuallylooked like he was.
He was signed at the morningtoday.
So just to get a bit of a segueinto Pastor Bob.
And then Anna was the one thatwas actually searching to find
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help for our son and because shebelieved, as she believed with
me, that our Lord would answerour prayer and help us through
this difficult time with our son.
And this is then this took uson this journey with Pastor Bob.
Pastor Bob was in the countryand she found this out actually
about 1200 kilometers away fromus, and we actually drove with
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my son to visit Pastor Bob.
And what was interesting is wethought we were going for our
son but in fact, as the pastorexplained to us at the time,
pastor Bob, that there is thingsthat need to be cleared out
generationally, with mom and dadfirst, before you can get to
the sun.
So that was our firstintroduction, at least for us,
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face to face with Pastor Bob.
Obviously through Naina'sresearch, we started watching
online what he was about.
At first I thought what's thisRoman?
What is this?
What is this exorcism about?
Because for me as a Muslim, itwas not something normal, so as
a new Christian at that point intime, also something a bit
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strange.
So what?
I think Naina can maybe give abit more insight and a bit more
detail on our journey to meetwith Pastor Bob.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Thank you, aziz, for sharing that with us.
And let me come over to you,naina, and share with us what
was going on here with all ofthis.
Your son is having mentalhealth conditions, plus, there's
demons manifesting and, as amother, of course, you are
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protective over your childrenand you're praying, and you're
praying.
You find Dr Larson.
What was it like when you firstwent to Dr Larson, the three of
you, to meet up with him?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So my son it was what I call a combination of
cannabis or I'm not sure whatthey called it in their country
Friends of his had introducedhim to the new age, opening
doors, and from experimenting itwent badly wrong.
He said we cornered him in thegarden and all I knew
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instinctively, and this didn'tcome.
And I have to.
Yes, the Christian church thatwe belong to was a beautiful
church and it was a big church.
However, the prosperity gospeland exorcism parts ways.
At that point, when weapproached the church and me as
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a mum and I said I think and Iknow, it's my DNA, it's in my
blood that he needs an exorcism,and the church basically turned
us away.
And that was the day Ibasically went back home after
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instinctively putting becausewhat my son was also doing with
cannabis and end and end is hewas astral, projecting which, if
there's any new ages orChristians they believe in, the
yoga and all of those things,here it is.
I had to protect him.
I put the Bible, opened it up,put it on Psalm 91, put it over
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his heart, because he's underage at the time and I said,
father, god, protect him whilewe find help.
It was at that moment that Iprayed, not on, there was in
Facebook or in, and I said, if IGoogle something, it will pop
up.
I know it's not the lot to, itwill pop up, but the church and
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this is a mega church can't helpus.
Please, father, send us help.
And there was a little Edwardon Google, coming to Janisburg.
Then he was Dr Bob Larsonexorcisms from New Age, from
Satanism, and and, and.
And I knew that I had to callthat number.
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And it turns out Dr Larsonspoke about he was supposed to
be in Janisburg and there wasanother church down on the coast
where he was also invited to,hence the journey that is he
spoke about and I didn't knowhow, but I knew that whoever
this man was, who God sent, itwas the last money we had, it
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was the last everything we hadto get him into the car and we
couldn't fly down thosethousands of kilometers.
We drove down and I believewhen I saw Dr Larson for the
first time and I my heart justthink is he's present, he's a
very well presented American manand I thought, oh Lord, not
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another prosperity gospelpreacher, because we've had the
Joel Osteen and the Craflodollars and.
And he introduced himself andwe went up into the office.
But then that was what I callthe Kronos moment in this
family's life is in our liveswere never the same again.
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Yeah, that was in 2014, 2015.
And I think I believe that wasthe last time that Dr Larson
came to South Africa.
Then he would go to EasternEurope, but to meet him in
person, and I believe he wasthere with his eldest daughter
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and a few others.
So we met some of the others,but to actually have which
Americans don't realize is aprivilege, when you have the
American dollar and you're ableto actually drive to where Dr
Larson is and go for an inperson encounter, you don't
understand how privileged youguys are.
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And my, our Kronos moment forthe family I marked it down.
It was.
It had made.
I know that God had againanswered our prayer.
I know again, the things werenever, because people think it's
an instant.
Yeah, instantly, all things aremade new and instantly, like
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when you are born again,everything is made new.
No, it, all of it took a lot oftime.
So Dr Larson obviously dealtwith me as well, and and and.
But he proved no, he's not anAmerican prosperity gospel
preacher and what he's doing was, and there is the real deal it
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is.
You get these fly by nightexorcisms and fly by night
deliverance ministry, this man,the ministry and what they're
doing and no one's paying me for.
This is the real deal.
Just a fast track to where weare today is a natural
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progression.
That happened, I think, from2014.
But finding Dr Larsen was prayer.
It was a mother down on her.
I was crying, justin.
No one was around.
There was no big church tosupport me or to look at me.
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I was on my knees crying, overmy son crying, and I was saying
Father God, if you are in heaven, as I believe you are, please
see my heart.
I didn't even have words,justin, I just cried.
I said send us help.
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I know in my bloodline, in my,for my ancestry, that we need an
exorcism.
What it was, what it entailed,I didn't know, but we needed it
and God answered Praise the Lord.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Wow, that is so inspiring to think that you are
in South Africa with absolutelyno help whatsoever and your son
is suffering because he smokedmarijuana we call it marijuana,
cannabis, same thing and openedhimself up to demons.
And this is what a lot ofpeople don't understand.
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Can I use medical marijuana?
Can I smoke marijuana?
Can I eat gummies?
Can I vape marijuana?
You can do anything you want inlife, but you are going to get
demons, because when you give upcontrol of your soul, your mind
, your thoughts, how you think,your emotions, how you feel,
when you give that up by smokingmarijuana or any drug, you give
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that control up to someone andthat someone is Satan and that
someone is demons.
And so this is what happenedwith your guys, son, in addition
to that, the ancestral cursesthat you mentioned, nina, from
you and from Aziz, same with me.
I've been through exorcismsessions with Dr Larson for 14
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months, so there isn't muchbenefit when you're German and
Irish and the amount ofancestral generational DNA
curses passed on to me at birthwas awful and people have heard
me say this before.
My ancestry went back to theDruids in Ireland and, of course
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, being German, clear back tothe Hitler regime and beyond, a
bunch of murderous freemasonry,all this stuff 14 months to
clean me up, and I don't saythat proudly.
It saddens me that it took thatlong, because if my Christian
parents understood exorcism, ifthe Christian churches in
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America understood exorcism andwere open to it, I would have
never suffered.
And just like your son guys, Isuffered tremendously my whole
life, my teenage years, my earlyadults, and I think my first
exorcism session was in my lateforties, maybe 48, something
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like that, 47.
I don't recall exactly.
But years of torment Not togive glory to Satan.
But I am curious, nina, let'sstart with you.
When Dr Larson worked with you,what was it generationally that
he surfaced within you thatneeded broken?
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I would say 14 months and then I think, from 2014,.
If I counted it probably wouldbe that many, many hours.
The common one because I cannarrow it down now always goes
back with me to the Norse gods.
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For some very interestingreason it always shifts to the
Norse mythology, which I don'tknow if you can draw it through
the bloodline, but I know, wasit last year September, october?
Dr Larson, yeah, we had anothersituation and he said he's
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interested in knowing where thisall leads to.
But when I went back and we hadsomeone recorded and just
reconnected the dots backwards,it all seems to go to either the
Romans or the Norse mythology.
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Like you say with the Germans,the Nord, you are part of the,
you would know the entomologyand an end when the Vikings and
an end.
But it keeps going back thatway.
And that is sometimes in thebeginning, when Dr Larson, when
it first reared itself.
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Dr Larson was because myprofile, when I give it
ethnically and the background,it doesn't gel.
But we all don't know what ourancestry, true ancestry is and
that would kind of surface frommy end.
With the Zesis end it were thePersians.
They probably conquered most ofwhat the Greeks couldn't
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conquer, end and end so betweenthe Persians and the Norse.
Yeah, with me mainly just theNorse mythology, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Thank you for sharing that.
Yes, and for those who don'tknow the what she's referring to
, the Nordic gods, is themythological gods that the
Vikings and so forth wouldworship Thor, loki, freya, odin.
These are real demons.
Hollywood makes movies aboutthese, puts them up as funny.
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Some of them are funny, some ofthem are just serious.
But they are true demons and asexorcists we deal with them,
often with people who haveNordic ancestry.
And to your point, nina, aboutjust getting one recently, I
myself also just recently wentthrough another exorcism because
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as things surface, we keepgoing.
I'm not letting anything livein my mind for free.
I just said this on the otherepisode.
Why would anyone give a demon afree hotel room in your mind to
stay there?
When you can kick them out, I'mgoing to kick them out.
So anytime anything surfaces inmy life, it's just another
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layer of the onion.
So very common for anyonelistening that's been through
deliverance ministry you're notdone.
You might be done, buttypically it's like layers of an
onion you remove one layer andmaybe a year later, a couple
months later, three years later,whenever another layer surfaces
, it's okay, you didn't doanything wrong, you're not a bad
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Christian.
Whatever, go get anotherexorcism, get it done.
Put it this way, nina youmentioned we don't know our
ancestry and I ordered anancestry DNA kit because I'm
like and this was recent that Ijust did this.
In fact, they're still spinningthe results.
I've not gotten the results yetbecause, as an exorcist, I want
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to see where does my DNA go.
I know about German and Irish,but there's more there and I'm
going to get to the bottom of itbecause these ancestral curses
come through the DNA.
Epigenetics that's the keywordEpigenetics.
Study it.
It's passing on things throughthe DNA that surface in
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someone's life today, in thepresent.
This isn't New Age, this isbiological.
It happens.
The ancestral curses comethrough your DNA.
Most people are born with them.
So that's my encouragement topeople If you have the ability
to get a DNA test run, get oneran.
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And if you want to get rid ofyour demons, then get ahold of
me and let's kick them out.
Stop giving them a free hotelroom to just come in and lay
around and torment you and enjoyit and laugh at you and
everything else.
You can kick them out.
So I'm going to come back toyou as these, if you can share a
little bit about thegenerational curses, the Sunnis.
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I'm sure you had to renounceall of that and so forth.
What was it that was vexing you?
What were these demons thatwere going to get expelled out
of you?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, for me I think when we started with Dr Bob, we
were mainly focused on breakingour curses.
So, as mom and dad, we brokeall our curses, as you said,
from the Muslim faith, as Godled Dr Bob.
Obviously we, through the HolySpirit, we found many other
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onion layers that you mentioned,but those that manifested were
more Persian demons, in fact itwas.
I think the main one for me wasXerxes, who was a conqueror
from a Persian perspective, andthis kind of manifested quite
strongly.
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I would say that the one thingwhich I realized and I think it
is the brother Lucas, who'smaybe similar where Naina would
sometimes manifest some of mydemons as we go through
deliverance, because we did alot of sessions together with Dr
Bob, so Dr Bob would be prayingfor me and then this unclean
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spirit would actually pop upwith Naina.
So this was interesting and itwas a way of getting these
spirits clean.
A lot of let's call them altarscame up as well from the family
line that were part of me, frombrothers to mom to dad that were
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still around, that were causingharm to both Naina and I.
But yeah, it was quite aninteresting experience to go
through this as a logical personQuite difficult at times,
because you've got this thoughtcoming in your head as you're
going through the deliveranceand the pastor is saying say
this, but the pastor no, becausethis is quite bad.
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And so you're always fightingin your mind to actually say
this and I realize at one stageit's actually not me, it's the
spirit.
And to bring them out is tobring them out into the light so
that they can be permanentlyexposed and expelled from your
life, because they just createtorment and unnecessary torment
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for you and your family.
So I learned that at thebeginning I would say I did not
have such a big manifestationsas Naina did because, as I was
saying, it's my spirit,sometimes manifested through
Naina.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah, thank you very much for sharing.
It's a fascinating concept andI've mentioned this a lot on the
podcast that the Bible saysthat when two people come
together sexually, they becomeone.
They become one in their soul.
They become bonded in theirsoul, their emotions, their
thoughts.
Sometimes a husband's cominghome from work and he can just
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get a sense of what his wifeneeds before he even walks in
the house, so maybe he comeshome with some roses as an
example.
Or a wife can just know thatmaybe her husband's having a bad
day.
They got this knowing in theirknower and so maybe she makes
them his favorite meal orwhatever.
These are just examples toillustrate the concept that they
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have become one.
They have been bonded in theiremotions, in their soul.
And when you have sex withsomebody, as we've talked a lot
about on here, demons aretransferred.
I call them STDs, sexuallytransmitted demons, and it
happens Even in Christiancouples that are born again,
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spirit filled, that have demons.
The demons can go back andforth between the married couple
, just as Aziz was explaining.
It's fascinating, but ithappens and it can be quite
common with married couples orparents and children.
There are sessions where you'reworking with the parents and
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taking them through an exorcism.
All of a sudden the childmanifests.
How is that possible?
All about the soul bonds andspiritual covering.
As fathers are the spiritualcovering over the family, over
the wife, over the children.
So if there's things in thehusband, then they have legal
right to come to the wife and tothe child.
It's all about legality, legalrights.
(01:00:24):
So, praise the Lord, you guyshave been freed up and it's an
ongoing journey.
I had someone recently ask me doyou think we'll ever stop
needing exorcism sessions?
And the answer is, for mepersonally, no, I think I'll
keep getting them along the way.
I just think that's a personalopinion.
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But I think it also can come toa point where there's people in
life that they're demons.
They're comfortable living withthem, so they don't get rid of
them.
So I know Christians personallythat are loaded full of demons
and they're comfortable with thetorment.
They're comfortable with thedysfunction in their life.
They're comfortable witheverything because they don't
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want to face themselves, and Ithink that's key.
They don't want to facethemselves, they don't want to
take ownership of the mistakesthat they made in life or the
things that's happened to themin life, because you have to be
brave and bold, to go into thatpain to get rid of the demons.
The demons are hiding in thetrauma.
The demons are hiding in thepain.
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You've got to go in there toget rid of them and you
listening right now, you can getrid of your demons.
You don't have to be afraidabout going into your trauma and
your pain.
Aziz and Nina did it.
I've done it, many people havedone it and so can you.
You don't have to be afraid.
You don't have to say I can'tdo this.
You absolutely can do it.
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Look, I'm blind.
So if I can do it, certainlyyou can do it.
And my encouragement to you,listening, is to make this year
be your year of freedom.
You don't have to give theseguys that free hotel room.
Kick them out, get tired of it,the torment.
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Everybody's tormented indifferent ways and it can stop.
You don't have to live that way.
Make this year be your year offreedom.
And, aziz and Nina, thank you somuch for coming on and sharing
your powerful testimony.
This was so inspiring.
I feel like I could docartwheels when I see how Jesus
Christ restores the lives ofpeople, and he has restored both
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of you.
This is wonderful, and at theend of every episode, I always
ask my guests to offer words ofencouragement to those listening
.
Listen, aziz and Nina.
There are people listening rightnow that have been listening
for a while, that know they havedemons and they're afraid to go
for an exorcism.
There are people listening whoare intellectual like you, aziz,
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that are intellectual, that areinto IT or accounting or
attorneys or whatever theanalytical skill set is.
And there are families that arebroken from demons.
There are parents that listenwhose children are tormented.
I would like to ask each of youto just offer some love and
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encouragement to the peoplelistening.
Whether you're Christian or not, there is hope for you.
You do not have to live intorment.
You do not have to end yourlife.
There is hope, aziz, let'sstart with you.
Can you please offer some wordsof encouragement, maybe to even
people who are Muslim?
Listening?
Go ahead, my friend.
Here's some compassion andencouragement with the audience.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Maybe I'll speak first to those Muslim listeners
that are listening.
I would only like to say thatour Lord Jesus loves all in the
world and is only after the bestfor you as His children.
So I would only encourage youto search and seek the true
living God.
Find Him and let Him find you.
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In our Bible it tells us heknocks.
He's a gentleman, he knocks onthe door.
So if you search, he will findyou.
Keep seeking the true livingGod.
He really loves you.
He's out of love and respect.
I tell you this and I ask youbecause, at the end of it,
there's two places we go to whenwe die, and I would love to
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meet you in eternity in heaven,together with Jesus.
For those Christian brothersand sisters who actually say I
am born again and I am not, Idon't have a demon I would
encourage you Look at your life,step back.
I ask the Holy Spirit to leadyou, because all of us sure we
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are born again.
Our spirits are white as snow.
We are redeemed, it's true, butI believe that there are still
parts of us, in our emotions, inour thinking there is still
oppressed by demons or spirits.
So seek the Lord, find thosethings and seek help.
Today we have the internet.
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In the past we never had this,so you have an opportunity to
get things right in your life sothat the next generation and
the generation after don't havethe same issues that we have to
go through in our lives.
And I think that is the key,that is the main message I would
give you.
Give anything, it's not for ourgeneration, but for the ones
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that come after us, so they cantruly serve the Lord in freedom
and in peace.
It is my encouragement to youtoday.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
And Nina, let's come to you, go ahead and offer some
encouragement to Christians whoare listening, or mothers or
people who aren't evenChristians.
Go ahead, offer them someencouragement.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
My encouragement would basically be to praying
mums who believe in God.
Don't stop praying, because Godhears you where you are.
You don't mum, or even youngwomen.
You don't need to sell yourselfout to a prophet, to a
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spiritual leader.
There is a reason, like whenGod created Eve, that God hears
the fervent prayer of a mother.
God hears, he answers in thesingular time.
Don't stop praying mothers,sisters, for your families, for
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your husbands, for those whocome to salvation, to come to no
freedom in the land of theliving.
Don't stop praying, don't loseheart, don't stop covering your
family.
Don't stop believing becauseGod, the righteous God outside
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of eternity, he listens, hestops everything to listen to a
mother's prayer.
Don't lose your identity in whatis going on in the world, even
in the church.
It's too easy.
And also another worddeliverance and exorcism.
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It's real and it usually startswith a mum saying but what
about what if we?
And God is able.
Jesus hears, he sees your heart, he knows the love he has.
There is no measure of it.
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It's that wide and that high.
That's how much Christ loves us.
And your Bible, woman of God.
Keep it open.
This online Bible, know, getyourself a Bible, the living
word of God, get it in yourhouse, bring that life back into
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the house.
It is where you can start as achild of God, as a woman of the
most high God.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
You may be demon possessed and this is the first
time you're coming to therealization of it.
If that's you, I'd like toinvite you right now to go to my
website, justindeedcom, andbook a session with me.
Until next time, god bless.
exposing the darkness , revealing the light.
And we are back at it.
My friends, welcome to theBlind Exorcist.
We are up to episode 19, and 20is just around the corner.
Thank you so much for tuning inand coming along on our journey
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.
I appreciate you.
Thank you for listening and youknow what to do, right, just
tap on share, get this out toyour family and friends, post it
out on your social media andalso join and subscribe to the
podcast if you haven't already.
You're gonna enjoy this episode19.
Here I'm interviewing Aziz andNina.
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They are from South Africa andthey are an exorcist husband and
wife team and, oh my gosh, dothey have an amazing testimony,
amazing story being raised inSouth Africa during the
apartheid era.
Fascinating.
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They themselves having demonsbeing introduced to Dr Larson,
going through exorcism sessionsand then they themselves
becoming exorcists.
Aziz is Indian, he was Muslim,he became a Christian
Fascinating story we're gonnahear.
Nina is Indian and SicilianInteresting bloodline there and
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we're gonna talk about that tooand how she became a Christian
and how she went throughexorcism sessions and became an
exorcist.
But this episode is really fullof a lot of history of South
Africa Fascinating.
You're gonna wanna listen tothis man, I'm telling you this
is so interesting.
And then to incorporate theMuslim religion and the
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practices that Aziz was involvedin Fascinating.
So get ready for a greatepisode.
This is gonna be veryinteresting.
I think you're gonna reallyenjoy it.
Let's put it this way when wewere done with the interview and
I had stopped on record, I wasspeechless, and that doesn't
happen.
As you guys know, I have thegift of gab, heavily anointed
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with the gift of gab, where Ican just dog and dog.
Right At the end, I wasspeechless and I told them.
I said, guys, I don't know whatto say, I am speechless.
The beauty of the testimony andthe movement of God in these
people's lives just outstanding.
So get ready, this is gonna bean awesome episode.
(02:41):
Sit back, relax, enjoy this andmake sure to share it out to
again your family and friends oranyone you know that's Muslim,
or anyone that you know isSicilian.
They will get a lot out of this.
So get ready, this is gonna bean awesome episode.
Without any further ado, let'sgo.
Aziz, nina, welcome to theBlind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Thank you, Justin, for having me and Nina on.
It's really a blessing to behere with you today.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Hi Justin, thank you, thank you so much, really a
blessing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I would like to thank both of you for taking the time
to come on and speak with us.
I'm excited, guys.
These are a wonderful couplewho are exorcists in South
Africa and they have beentrained by Dr Larson, so I'm
very excited to step in theirstory and see how in the world
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does a husband and wife becomeexorcists?
And Aziz and we'll get intothis he was Muslim, he's now a
Christian exorcist, and so atfirst we're gonna talk about
where they were born and alittle bit about their childhood
(04:07):
.
Then we're gonna talk about howdid they get into exorcism as a
ministry, and then after thatwe're gonna flush out some of
the concepts around exorcism,maybe talk a little bit about it
, educate people about it some,and then, from there, see where
the Lord wants to lead us.
So as a start, aziz, can youtell the audience where you were
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born and what was it like beingraised as a child in your
country?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Thank you, justin.
So I was born in a SouthAfrica's geography towards
Botswana and there's a bordertown, a rural town, and I grew
up in a Muslim home.
As you said, we were fourbrothers and we grew up in a
very, let's say, loving Muslimfamily and being a practicing
(05:06):
Muslim used to be in Madreya andmosque quite often.
So that was the practice.
You spend a lot of time in thecommunity as a Muslim and this
was important.
My parents were loving, mygrandparents were loving towards
me.
As a child.
We, I would say, would be thetypical normal family with no
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major challenges or issues.
We then decided, due toeconomic reasons, dad moved to
find work and we moved intocloser into the middle of the
country, towards Johannesburgfor the audience, maybe to keep
it simple, but close toJohannesburg, there was a little
let's call it Indian town,because at the time we were in
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the middle of apartheid, we werestill segregated at that time.
So we grew up in a very smallIndian community, again as a
practicing Muslim.
So, as I grew up in this Muslimfaith, let's call it, I would
say that I was a Muslim that waspracticing.
So I did mosque, I did thefasting, the 40 day fasting.
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So I was really a practicingMuslim.
I joined a Sufi group at a veryyoung age.
My dad asked that I join, sofor those that don't know, it's
almost like a mystic sect in theMuslim faith and so I was asked
to join this.
So very typical, I would say,for my upbringing.
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Nothing extraordinary at thatpoint in time.
So yeah, my childhood was, Iwould say, normal, with no,
let's say, major issues in mylife.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Thank you, aziz.
That is fascinating.
We'll definitely flush that out.
About the Sunni and yourinvolvement in that, I'm
interested to talk about that.
But first let me jump over toNina.
Nina, can you tell us where youwere born and what your
childhood was like?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I was born in a place called Lady Selborn.
It is part, it was part ofPretoria, in a where nuns, a
convent, where nuns are, andthat's basically where I grew up
until the group segregation actcame into being, with the
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apartheid laws, end and end, andwe were forced to move, like
Aziz, you know, segregationbecame a real thing.
So my childhood, I would say,was I will use the term very
colorful.
It was beautiful.
I know that I was a veryspoiled little, privileged
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little girl.
Yeah, that is about what I cantalk about.
In terms of religion.
There were all kinds ofreligious practices that my mom
bought into.
However, I must say that shecame from her dad and her
grandfather were Muslim, butfrom a different background than
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Aziz's.
There's not just one type of,but also the intermingling of,
different races in this countrywhen, I think, I turned three
years old, became an issue andthat's when my life became
interesting as well.
But, yeah, in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Thank you so much, nina, for sharing about your
childhood and it's interestingabout.
I've watched lots ofdocumentaries about South Africa
and apartheid and to havepeople here that actually
experienced it.
I would like to flush that outa little bit for the audience so
that they can understand whatthis exactly was like for each
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of you.
So let me start with you, aziz,first of all.
If you could let us know whatis your ethnicity and then share
with us how the apartheidimpacted you in your life.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yes, justin, so I'm actually.
I grew up as an Indian in, as Isaid, in the Lordyum in the
Indian community.
I say I grew up as an Indianonly to find out later I think
my mom was saying that her momwas Portuguese.
So I have some Portuguese in me.
Some of them are very smallpercentage, but we grew up
Indian.
And if you know, from, as Isaid, apartheid, when we started
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apartheid in the country, wewere all classified in different
let's call it groupings.
So you had a classificationwhite, indian or Asian colored,
so I think in the US it's like amixed race, almost the term
which is not a PC or politicallycorrect term, but I'm just
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trying to explain.
And then you added the blackcommunity and so the country was
segregated or separated indifferent townships according to
the community you belong to.
So we at the time wereclassified as Indian and we had
to live in an Indian townshipclose to Johannesburg.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And Aziz, when you were segregated what was the
reasoning behind that from theactual government?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Justin, it was interesting.
So I was obviously a young boy.
But their point was, it startedoff from the Africans let's
call it government at the time,or the Dutch government, or
Dutch descendant, shall I say.
They used actually the Bible asa basis for their reasoning,
but in fact they felt all otherrace groups were inferior
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compared to the European orwhite race group and so they
developed this segregatedcommunities based on this
because they didn't want, let'ssay, inter-community
relationships or marriages.
In fact it was according to thecountry's laws at the time.
It was illegal for you to getmarried to a white person if you
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fell in the other race groups.
So this was legislated in lawat the time.
Let's say, with God's blessing,this has obviously changed since
1994, and I think it's muchbetter today and there's a lot
of, let's say a lot of hurt thatGod has helped most of the
communities to get through.
I wouldn't say it's done, butthere's still a lot of work that
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God needs to do.
But at that time for us it wasnormal.
Growing up in this segregatedcommunity.
We thought it was normal tolive separately as Indians.
This was quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And in 1994, what was it that drove the government to
stop with the apartheid?
Aziz, I'm asking you that.
I'm curious on that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Just since at the time, I think there was a lot of
international pressure on thelocal South African government.
At the time there was a lot ofhelp given to, let's say, those
that fought what's commonlyreferred to in the country as
the struggle.
I am not one of those because,as I said, it was as normal to
live as Indians and I didn't seean issue with this.
(12:24):
But at 1994, I think it was alot of pressure from
international governments andalso from the inhabitants of the
country.
There was a lot of unrest andpolitical unrest at the time and
it was a combination of manyfactors that actually led to the
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government realizing that theyactually sitting on a powder
cake and if nothing is done, thecountry will actually end up in
anarchy and unrest.
With God's grace, I think God'sin the Bible it says God works
on the king's hearts and I thinkin this case, the president at
the time realized that it wastime to stop apartheid, of
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segregation for the country andthey worked with, let's say,
with the, with Nelson Mandelaand he's a team, to try and get
the country out of apartheid.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, Very interesting.
Yes, I just watched adocumentary on Nelson.
It was fascinating.
What a wonderful person to helpwith all of this.
Nina, coming back to you andtalking about apartheid and the
impact and how you felt, whatwas your ethnicity and what are
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your thoughts on when you wereliving in this apartheid
segregation- For me it wasbasically what is just spoke
about.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
My background, or my biological dad is a Sicilian and
when the apartheid wasinstalled into the country, I
guess I was about three or fouryears old.
My mom had a choice and shechose to hide me in plain sight.
(14:14):
I don't know that makes anykind of sense, but now that I'm
thinking about it, she lived ina lot of fear.
I was free as a child and shehid me away, as it were.
So, yeah, this was coupled withthe fact that she would always
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say things to me like it's notgoing to be forever.
She knew the undergroundmovements of what was going to
happen when the new governmentcomes into power, when the
street names would be changed,when, because I saw the
restriction we were.
If you get onto a bus, forexample, as a child, you with
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mum, you get onto the bus, yougoing to town with mum.
There are different bus stops,so the one says white blankers
or whites only, then the otherones for barn tubes, which is
black, and then the other is forall other.
And I remember when I was incollege, the one day I stood at
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the all other and the white busstopped for me and I was so
fearful that I said you know, go, don't even stop.
That is the kind of fear nowthat I'm thinking about it as an
adult that we actually grew upwith of the white man, of
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basically not stepping over thatline, because my mum used to
tell me what they would do Like,for example, with the black
people, especially if they foundthem on the streets after 6 pm
in the evening and they didn'thave a book.
It was called like it's not apassport, it's a passbook.
They would pick you them up andthey would literally not even
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give them a trial and they wouldliterally hand them.
That is how this apartheidgovernment ruled this country.
I was as a child, you spoiled,hidden away, because if mum was
caught out with who my father isand she, I would have been
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taken away, they would havelocked her up and the
repercussions would have beenparallel to that is always
hearing the stories.
She spoke about what they doand seeing it.
The fear that drove this countryis they don't speak about it.
It was ruled by the apartheidgovernment with fear, fear of
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being killed without a trial,without even if you were just a
deeper shade of dark, whateverit was and there was a dispute,
you would be literally what mymum used to say, taken to the
gallows and hanged.
Today they have closed thegallows, the hanging gallows.
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That was apartheid in thiscountry.
So for me it's the fear.
So I think I grew up with it.
Don't look at me too much.
No, I'm not.
I'm trying to blend into theIndian community, as it were,
trying to simulate into thatwith my Mediterranean skin, my
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lighter eyes, my straight hair.
It wasn't comprehensible, but Imanaged to blend in.
But fear, justin ruled thiscountry to a point where the
white African government, thewhite man, was right and
everything else was wrong.
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And they never talk about it orif they publish things, it was
never out of this country howthey murdered on the farms and
without inciting violence byevery year's.
This and it was a big thing.
I think the day when thecountry with Nelson Mandela got
together and the ex-governmentand decided on he could have
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turned, mandela could haveturned and decided, fast
forwarding now to 1994, 1996,they could have literally turned
on the country and killed.
But they decided let's make ita peaceful transition, let's do
it, and he would become thefirst black president of this
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country and this was aspiritually a big moment for the
country as well as for thepeople.
It's not reparation for theblood that was spilled, but
between growing up in 1994, 1996, it was really we could.
We voted for the first time weis in the entire country,
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because in the past only thewhite men could go and vote, and
it's not spoken of outside ofthis country or unless you are
from South Africa.
There was a lot of bad that wasdone in the name of.
I have a white skin, so hence Iam like like Hitler, I am
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superior, the Aryan nation, thattype of superiority which, yeah
, so the fear, so every what wasbecame normal to us was living
in the shadows of not steppingout of line, not going to the
wrong bus stop, not even theschools were segregated.
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Oh, there was a lot.
So you couldn't get aneducation at a university or a
higher place of learning if youwere non white and if you were
black, if it was even worse.
Yeah, this country was.
It was a lot of fear at, yeah,without going too far with it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Nina, thank you so much for giving us history on
how bad this really was insideof the country.
And you are correct, I live inAmerica and we hear some about
it.
We have some documentaries thatthat we can watch, but to
actually hear it from somebodywho experienced it is an
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entirely different matter.
So all I can say is thank you,jesus, for stopping this in
South Africa.
And I'm sure it took time toadjust once the segregation had
been removed Psychologically.
I'm sure it took quite a whilefor both of you to become
comfortable and used to beingfree.
(20:53):
And speaking of freedom, let'stransition over to Christianity
and how Jesus Christ became bothof your saviors and at a
certain point in time you bothbecame a Christian.
Aziz, I'm going to come backover to you.
And how did you hear aboutChristianity and how did you
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become a Christian?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Justin, as I said, I was a Muslim at the time and I
can't express the hatred I hadfor Christians or Jesus as the
Christians described him,because, as a Muslim, jesus was
at that time a prophet like anyother prophet before.
So if a little about Islam I'msure you in your podcast, had a
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few ex-Muslims you'd know thatall Muslims are not equal, if
that makes sense.
So within the Muslim faith, andtoday even, there are a lot of
different belief systems andrituals that I perform.
So for me at the time, I'd say,growing up as a Muslim, I never
I saw the church, because welived, by the way, in this
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Indian community.
We had multiple faiths, soIslam, hindus, catholics,
methodists, so they had theirplaces of worship in the area
but they knew not to, let's say,try and evangelize across the
different faith lines, becausethis was frowned upon.
So when I grew up, I didn'tknow Jesus and I didn't want
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anything to do with this Jesusthat the Christians believed in,
but let's say God.
I think our Lord has a greatsense of humour and loves us,
because he put me in front ofthis beautiful wife of mine.
So when I saw her I told herlisten, I love you and know,
somewhere in our future we aregoing to get married to each
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other.
Eventually, we got married justto keep it short and for me it
was a blessing, but I still wasa Muslim, so I got married in
the Muslim faith.
In fact, nina was a Christianat the time and she had to
convert to Islam or else wewould not be getting married.
And this was quite at that time, as a Muslim, quite the victory
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, because I thought, hey, I'mgetting one Christian out of the
faith and joining the Muslimfaith, little knowing that my I
call it a firecracker wife ofmine was an undercover Christian
.
So, even though she got marriedto me as a Muslim, she kept the
Bible and she would keep thefaith and reading the Bible and
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praying for me with a mum at thetime in the toilet or in places
where I can't see, and her mumand her prayed on some of my
clothes.
I didn't know about this.
Obviously they were praying formy freedom into this wonderful
let's call it relationship withJesus Christ.
I don't like to call it areligion, but a relationship
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with Jesus Christ and the HolySpirit started working with me
because then, eventually I think, I realized there was something
wrong and I was searching in mylife because something happened
to our son.
Our son had a bad accident andalmost died and I was praying to
my Muslim god, allah, with noresults.
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And Nana stepped in with themum and said now it's time,
we're not keeping it, we're notkeeping it hidden anymore.
And they prayed for this, formy son, and he had a miraculous
healing.
So at that point I was quiteconfused because I thought I was
serving the one and onlythrough God, as they say.
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But today I know that it's notthe case, but at that time I
thought it was.
Then I started searching and, asI used to go to mosque, I
started praying, and so, if youknow the Muslim faith, you pray
five times a day.
There's a certain rituals.
You'd perform certain prayersyou'd perform and then you leave
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to mosque.
But at the end of the prayerpart I just sat there and I
prostrated and I prayed thisprayer and I think it's one that
many ex-Muslims wouldunderstand.
I just prayed a simple prayer.
I said Lord, I'm not interestedin any other God, but the true
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God, but the true God, the one,only true God that is created,
created the heavens and theearth.
So I did not mention a specificGod.
But I did not mention aspecific God, but I just wanted
to know the Creator of theuniverse, the one that created
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me, the one that created theearth, the one that brought
everything into existence andthat started me on a journey.
Because I believe the HolySpirit was already working with
me at that time.
And then I started speaking toNaena about this Jesus, because
the Holy Spirit softened myheart to Jesus and his message.
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And we started talking andNaena shared with me some videos
on preaching about this Jesus,this God.
And so, yeah, it is interesting.
I think it's in John where Godis described or Jesus is
described as the world was withGod and the world became flesh
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and dwelt among us.
And I saw this whole video andI was really glued.
It made sense to me.
What was being described andwhat was being shared by this
pastor at the time really madesense.
And I believe it made sensebecause the Holy Spirit was
working in me to understand whatthe pastor was saying.
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If someone had shown me this,even two, three years before
that, I would have probablybroken the TV screen because
it's blessed for me as a Muslim,but because of what happened
with my son and I could see thatthere was something in Jesus
that I needed to find out.
It led me to that point and Godstarted opening me up and I was
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still searching, but I did notfind the right answer, the right
moment.
But I understood that I'mheading in the right direction.
In fact, I then decided therewas a big evangelist coming to
the country and I needed to goand drop a mum and a self.
At this event, I was still aMuslim, still going to mosque,
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and I said, okay, I will go, Iwill drop you at the entrance
and then I will come back home.
But when I got there, Irealized that they were quite
far away and it was not in avery secure place and I said,
okay, I'll go with you guys andI'll stand there.
This is a Muslim and nothing isgoing to actually impact me.
But when I was standing thereand I was just looking at this
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and I said, god, this can't beyou, because there's people
jumping around, singing, happily, clapping, this can't be you.
And I remember it was rainingthat day and I said, god, who
are you?
Who are you?
Who are you, lord?
And I heard the audible voiceof God speaking to me at that
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moment and God says I am JesusChrist.
Justin, you wouldn't believe it.
Just sharing it again.
It's such a blessing to havereceived such a word from the
Lord.
And from that moment on I didnot tell Nina or her mom what I
experienced because I stillprocessed it.
I work in IT, a very logicalperson.
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I had to go home and process it, but I knew at that moment that
, hey, this is God, and Istarted reading and praying
before the Lord.
Nina had a Bible in the houseand I used to just go through
the Bible and the Lord also usedMatthew 5, which was quite an
inspiration and a support for meduring this time.
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Eventually I told Nina listen,love, I am now born again.
I don't want to serve the devilanymore and I want to serve the
true God, the true Lord of thisworld.
His name is Jesus Christ.
And Nina then took me to churchwhere I gave my life to the Lord
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, and this was in 1995, so justaround the time when we came out
of apartheid, and she wasobviously very happy and so it
was a little blessing to us,obviously not knowing at the
time, but I had to share thiswith my Muslim family and this
really caused, as you canimagine, quite a big problem,
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because as a Muslim, you are notallowed to leave the Muslim
faith by law.
They would have allowed to killyou.
But I think it was a blessingto actually be in a Christian
country, because I got supportfrom a lot of Christian brothers
who I never knew, to try andprotect me.
But, let's say, when I sharedthis, they started persecuting
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me and my family.
They came to my house andactually threatened to kill us
and threatened to harm us, butnot only me, but the entire
family, meaning my wife, my kids.
So at that point, obviously alot of prayer and Nina sharing
some of the word through thechurch also got a lot of support
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from the family.
But it was very tough andactually during this time the
Lord encouraged me with a vision, because actually what happened
is, as I slept one night, Islept, the Lord showed me a
dream or vision where there wereangels and camped around the
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home where I was living at and Iwas winked up to winked up and
this is a prayer, it's in myprayer life today, I always use
this but so the angels were in,camped around the house and
winked up to winked up and therewas the enemy demons trying to
attack us, meaning my house andmy family, and they were
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repelled by God's angelic forceswho was protecting us.
In fact, eventually I started,let's say, meeting up with some
of my family again because theystarted softening and one of my
cousins actually said he dealsin the mystic arts and started
praying to harm us.
And he said, as he believed, hewas sending angels, but it was
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not angels.
The demons, as these are angels, could not penetrate your house
to harm you.
And so he just confirmed whatGod shared with me in my dream.
This was really a blessing andfrom that moment on, as they say
, it's history.
I don't look back.
I love the Lord.
The enemy can take everythingaround me, away from me, but I
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will always serve the Lord.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Thank you so much, Assis, for sharing your
testimony.
How powerful I love how theLord just kept working on you
and I'm muted on my end.
But when you said that Nina andher mom were praying over your
clothing, I burst out laughing.
Yes, that is the love of a wife.
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And that was your first mistake.
You married a Christian.
So, anyhow, Nina, let me comeback to you Now.
You had to have been absolutelythrilled when your husband said
that he wanted to become aChristian.
Tell us about what was it liketo experience that as a wife?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, a young wife it was actually.
I was thinking about ityesterday.
I was praying, which may not bea good way to pray as a wife
because, as he said, I was thecloset Christian.
I was forced to convert toIslam and I prayed to God in the
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bathrooms and behind the scenes.
My cry to God was Lord, eithersave him or end his life, which
doesn't sound right.
However, it's two ultimatumsand I never thought that God
would could save him.
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And I remember the day when hespoke about when we were at that
big conference.
It was massive, an outdoorvenue, that was just, you know.
I looked at him and my momlooked at him and there were
tears streaming down his faceand we both looked at each other
and as the realization came tome, it became what was the word
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that I can use Father, youanswered my prayer.
There was no fear about it.
There was an untold amount ofjoy.
I never counted the persecutionthat would soon follow To me.
It was then the children wouldbe redeemed, but by then we'd
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already had my eldest daughterand my son.
So it was a moment that I knowthe God that I serve is alive.
I know that the God that Iserve answers prayer, and that
prayer came out of desperation.
So there was going to use theword peace that came upon us
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that you can't buy, that kind ofpeace.
The Holy Spirit's presence uponthe two of us and our young
family was tangible and thereare no words that I can use to
actually describe those fewmonths or moments.
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And then, of course, soon, Ithink a few months after that I
think it's when Aziz's mom askedhim because they didn't know,
can you come in?
They fast and then they break.
They have a big thing andprayers, they call it Ramadan
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and he said to his mom withouthesitation I can't.
And then she said oh, is it thewife?
Again, no, because I'm aChristian and I think heaven and
hell stood still at that moment.
And then I wouldn't say theHoly Spirit left us, but the
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peace and that we had, for thosejoyous moments, turned into
persecution and hell coming fromthe outside.
But for those moments to answeryour question, justin, there is
no words, to one day when weare with the Lord, we will know
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in His presence what it is like.
So for those few months, Idon't even have a word beyond
peace that the Englishvocabulary can describe.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
What a wonderful testimony.
What a wonderful testimony.
Thank you, jesus.
And when you mentioned, nina,that when Aziz said I cannot
attend Ramadan, that heaven andhell stood still, and of course,
as an exorcist, I'm nodding myhead and saying yes, absolutely,
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because that is when thespiritual conflict started.
And of course, it started withpersecution towards you guys and
your family and so forth, butreally, as you guys know, it was
demons and the Lord.
There was a conflict.
You guys, at that point in time,started to experience true
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spiritual conflict and, like yousaid earlier, aziz, the Sunnis
have a lot of supernaturalpractices into the mystic arts,
so there's a lot going on atthis point in time in both of
your lives.
Obviously, you guys needed anexorcism at a certain point in
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time.
So let's transition into thatjust for a minute.
I understand that you guys atsome point in time met Dr Bob
Larson and I'd like to talkabout that.
Aziz, let's flush this out alittle bit.
So you're an ex-Sunni andsomehow you meet Dr Bob Larson.
I'd like you to share with us alittle bit what was it like,
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first of all, experiencing thedemonic attacks in your life?
Secondly, how did you meet DrLarson?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Justin, just to actually say, as anybody coming
to Christianity and being bornagain comes with an old host of
baggage and the baggagesometimes is not that good.
So for me at least, whathappened is during our journey
we loved as believing Christiansand what actually triggered our
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kind of connection with thepastor Bob when he was in South
Africa was actually our son.
So at the time our son,unbeknownst to us, was involved
in, let's say, a cult practicewith his friends and this
actually led to some conflict inthe house.
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In fact it got to a stage wherehe had strong manifestations
and we were searching for helpfor him in the Christian
community, but also obviouslyfrom a psychological perspective
as well.
Psychologically he got the helphe needed, but at the time when
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this happened actually not manyChristians understood what was
going on and actually tried toactually deliver my son.
But as we know today throughour teachings with Pastor Bob
that your mind needs to be firststole so you can't actually
treat a.
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You got to get first treatedpsychologically or mentally to
bring your mind stole so that wecan actually go into
deliverance and exorcism.
But at the time mom and Ididn't know this, so we were the
typical evangelical Christians,and I remember my son
manifested in the garden and weboth tackled him to the ground
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and we started or at least Itackled him to the ground and
mom and I started praying fame.
We didn't actually realize itwas in the middle of a psychotic
break, so for us it actuallylooked like he was.
He was signed at the morningtoday.
So just to get a bit of a segueinto Pastor Bob.
And then Anna was the one thatwas actually searching to find
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help for our son and because shebelieved, as she believed with
me, that our Lord would answerour prayer and help us through
this difficult time with our son.
And this is then this took uson this journey with Pastor Bob.
Pastor Bob was in the countryand she found this out actually
about 1200 kilometers away fromus, and we actually drove with
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my son to visit Pastor Bob.
And what was interesting is wethought we were going for our
son but in fact, as the pastorexplained to us at the time,
pastor Bob, that there is thingsthat need to be cleared out
generationally, with mom and dadfirst, before you can get to
the sun.
So that was our firstintroduction, at least for us,
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face to face with Pastor Bob.
Obviously through Naina'sresearch, we started watching
online what he was about.
At first I thought what's thisRoman?
What is this?
What is this exorcism about?
Because for me as a Muslim, itwas not something normal, so as
a new Christian at that point intime, also something a bit
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strange.
So what?
I think Naina can maybe give abit more insight and a bit more
detail on our journey to meetwith Pastor Bob.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Thank you, aziz, for sharing that with us.
And let me come over to you,naina, and share with us what
was going on here with all ofthis.
Your son is having mentalhealth conditions, plus, there's
demons manifesting and, as amother, of course, you are
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protective over your childrenand you're praying, and you're
praying.
You find Dr Larson.
What was it like when you firstwent to Dr Larson, the three of
you, to meet up with him?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So my son it was what I call a combination of
cannabis or I'm not sure whatthey called it in their country
Friends of his had introducedhim to the new age, opening
doors, and from experimenting itwent badly wrong.
He said we cornered him in thegarden and all I knew
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instinctively, and this didn'tcome.
And I have to.
Yes, the Christian church thatwe belong to was a beautiful
church and it was a big church.
However, the prosperity gospeland exorcism parts ways.
At that point, when weapproached the church and me as
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a mum and I said I think and Iknow, it's my DNA, it's in my
blood that he needs an exorcism,and the church basically turned
us away.
And that was the day Ibasically went back home after
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instinctively putting becausewhat my son was also doing with
cannabis and end and end is hewas astral, projecting which, if
there's any new ages orChristians they believe in, the
yoga and all of those things,here it is.
I had to protect him.
I put the Bible, opened it up,put it on Psalm 91, put it over
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his heart, because he's underage at the time and I said,
father, god, protect him whilewe find help.
It was at that moment that Iprayed, not on, there was in
Facebook or in, and I said, if IGoogle something, it will pop
up.
I know it's not the lot to, itwill pop up, but the church and
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this is a mega church can't helpus.
Please, father, send us help.
And there was a little Edwardon Google, coming to Janisburg.
Then he was Dr Bob Larsonexorcisms from New Age, from
Satanism, and and, and.
And I knew that I had to callthat number.
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And it turns out Dr Larsonspoke about he was supposed to
be in Janisburg and there wasanother church down on the coast
where he was also invited to,hence the journey that is he
spoke about and I didn't knowhow, but I knew that whoever
this man was, who God sent, itwas the last money we had, it
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was the last everything we hadto get him into the car and we
couldn't fly down thosethousands of kilometers.
We drove down and I believewhen I saw Dr Larson for the
first time and I my heart justthink is he's present, he's a
very well presented American manand I thought, oh Lord, not
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another prosperity gospelpreacher, because we've had the
Joel Osteen and the Craflodollars and.
And he introduced himself andwe went up into the office.
But then that was what I callthe Kronos moment in this
family's life is in our liveswere never the same again.
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Yeah, that was in 2014, 2015.
And I think I believe that wasthe last time that Dr Larson
came to South Africa.
Then he would go to EasternEurope, but to meet him in
person, and I believe he wasthere with his eldest daughter
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and a few others.
So we met some of the others,but to actually have which
Americans don't realize is aprivilege, when you have the
American dollar and you're ableto actually drive to where Dr
Larson is and go for an inperson encounter, you don't
understand how privileged youguys are.
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And my, our Kronos moment forthe family I marked it down.
It was.
It had made.
I know that God had againanswered our prayer.
I know again, the things werenever, because people think it's
an instant.
Yeah, instantly, all things aremade new and instantly, like
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when you are born again,everything is made new.
No, it, all of it took a lot oftime.
So Dr Larson obviously dealtwith me as well, and and and.
But he proved no, he's not anAmerican prosperity gospel
preacher and what he's doing was, and there is the real deal it
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is.
You get these fly by nightexorcisms and fly by night
deliverance ministry, this man,the ministry and what they're
doing and no one's paying me for.
This is the real deal.
Just a fast track to where weare today is a natural
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progression.
That happened, I think, from2014.
But finding Dr Larsen was prayer.
It was a mother down on her.
I was crying, justin.
No one was around.
There was no big church tosupport me or to look at me.
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I was on my knees crying, overmy son crying, and I was saying
Father God, if you are in heaven, as I believe you are, please
see my heart.
I didn't even have words,justin, I just cried.
I said send us help.
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I know in my bloodline, in my,for my ancestry, that we need an
exorcism.
What it was, what it entailed,I didn't know, but we needed it
and God answered Praise the Lord.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Wow, that is so inspiring to think that you are
in South Africa with absolutelyno help whatsoever and your son
is suffering because he smokedmarijuana we call it marijuana,
cannabis, same thing and openedhimself up to demons.
And this is what a lot ofpeople don't understand.
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Can I use medical marijuana?
Can I smoke marijuana?
Can I eat gummies?
Can I vape marijuana?
You can do anything you want inlife, but you are going to get
demons, because when you give upcontrol of your soul, your mind
, your thoughts, how you think,your emotions, how you feel,
when you give that up by smokingmarijuana or any drug, you give
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that control up to someone andthat someone is Satan and that
someone is demons.
And so this is what happenedwith your guys, son, in addition
to that, the ancestral cursesthat you mentioned, nina, from
you and from Aziz, same with me.
I've been through exorcismsessions with Dr Larson for 14
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months, so there isn't muchbenefit when you're German and
Irish and the amount ofancestral generational DNA
curses passed on to me at birthwas awful and people have heard
me say this before.
My ancestry went back to theDruids in Ireland and, of course
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, being German, clear back tothe Hitler regime and beyond, a
bunch of murderous freemasonry,all this stuff 14 months to
clean me up, and I don't saythat proudly.
It saddens me that it took thatlong, because if my Christian
parents understood exorcism, ifthe Christian churches in
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America understood exorcism andwere open to it, I would have
never suffered.
And just like your son guys, Isuffered tremendously my whole
life, my teenage years, my earlyadults, and I think my first
exorcism session was in my lateforties, maybe 48, something
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like that, 47.
I don't recall exactly.
But years of torment Not togive glory to Satan.
But I am curious, nina, let'sstart with you.
When Dr Larson worked with you,what was it generationally that
he surfaced within you thatneeded broken?
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I would say 14 months and then I think, from 2014,.
If I counted it probably wouldbe that many, many hours.
The common one because I cannarrow it down now always goes
back with me to the Norse gods.
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For some very interestingreason it always shifts to the
Norse mythology, which I don'tknow if you can draw it through
the bloodline, but I know, wasit last year September, october?
Dr Larson, yeah, we had anothersituation and he said he's
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interested in knowing where thisall leads to.
But when I went back and we hadsomeone recorded and just
reconnected the dots backwards,it all seems to go to either the
Romans or the Norse mythology.
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Like you say with the Germans,the Nord, you are part of the,
you would know the entomologyand an end when the Vikings and
an end.
But it keeps going back thatway.
And that is sometimes in thebeginning, when Dr Larson, when
it first reared itself.
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Dr Larson was because myprofile, when I give it
ethnically and the background,it doesn't gel.
But we all don't know what ourancestry, true ancestry is and
that would kind of surface frommy end.
With the Zesis end it were thePersians.
They probably conquered most ofwhat the Greeks couldn't
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conquer, end and end so betweenthe Persians and the Norse.
Yeah, with me mainly just theNorse mythology, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Thank you for sharing that.
Yes, and for those who don'tknow the what she's referring to
, the Nordic gods, is themythological gods that the
Vikings and so forth wouldworship Thor, loki, freya, odin.
These are real demons.
Hollywood makes movies aboutthese, puts them up as funny.
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Some of them are funny, some ofthem are just serious.
But they are true demons and asexorcists we deal with them,
often with people who haveNordic ancestry.
And to your point, nina, aboutjust getting one recently, I
myself also just recently wentthrough another exorcism because
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as things surface, we keepgoing.
I'm not letting anything livein my mind for free.
I just said this on the otherepisode.
Why would anyone give a demon afree hotel room in your mind to
stay there?
When you can kick them out, I'mgoing to kick them out.
So anytime anything surfaces inmy life, it's just another
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layer of the onion.
So very common for anyonelistening that's been through
deliverance ministry you're notdone.
You might be done, buttypically it's like layers of an
onion you remove one layer andmaybe a year later, a couple
months later, three years later,whenever another layer surfaces
, it's okay, you didn't doanything wrong, you're not a bad
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Christian.
Whatever, go get anotherexorcism, get it done.
Put it this way, nina youmentioned we don't know our
ancestry and I ordered anancestry DNA kit because I'm
like and this was recent that Ijust did this.
In fact, they're still spinningthe results.
I've not gotten the results yetbecause, as an exorcist, I want
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to see where does my DNA go.
I know about German and Irish,but there's more there and I'm
going to get to the bottom of itbecause these ancestral curses
come through the DNA.
Epigenetics that's the keywordEpigenetics.
Study it.
It's passing on things throughthe DNA that surface in
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someone's life today, in thepresent.
This isn't New Age, this isbiological.
It happens.
The ancestral curses comethrough your DNA.
Most people are born with them.
So that's my encouragement topeople If you have the ability
to get a DNA test run, get oneran.
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And if you want to get rid ofyour demons, then get ahold of
me and let's kick them out.
Stop giving them a free hotelroom to just come in and lay
around and torment you and enjoyit and laugh at you and
everything else.
You can kick them out.
So I'm going to come back toyou as these, if you can share a
little bit about thegenerational curses, the Sunnis.
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I'm sure you had to renounceall of that and so forth.
What was it that was vexing you?
What were these demons thatwere going to get expelled out
of you?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, for me I think when we started with Dr Bob, we
were mainly focused on breakingour curses.
So, as mom and dad, we brokeall our curses, as you said,
from the Muslim faith, as Godled Dr Bob.
Obviously we, through the HolySpirit, we found many other
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onion layers that you mentioned,but those that manifested were
more Persian demons, in fact itwas.
I think the main one for me wasXerxes, who was a conqueror
from a Persian perspective, andthis kind of manifested quite
strongly.
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I would say that the one thingwhich I realized and I think it
is the brother Lucas, who'smaybe similar where Naina would
sometimes manifest some of mydemons as we go through
deliverance, because we did alot of sessions together with Dr
Bob, so Dr Bob would be prayingfor me and then this unclean
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spirit would actually pop upwith Naina.
So this was interesting and itwas a way of getting these
spirits clean.
A lot of let's call them altarscame up as well from the family
line that were part of me, frombrothers to mom to dad that were
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still around, that were causingharm to both Naina and I.
But yeah, it was quite aninteresting experience to go
through this as a logical personQuite difficult at times,
because you've got this thoughtcoming in your head as you're
going through the deliveranceand the pastor is saying say
this, but the pastor no, becausethis is quite bad.
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And so you're always fightingin your mind to actually say
this and I realize at one stageit's actually not me, it's the
spirit.
And to bring them out is tobring them out into the light so
that they can be permanentlyexposed and expelled from your
life, because they just createtorment and unnecessary torment
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for you and your family.
So I learned that at thebeginning I would say I did not
have such a big manifestationsas Naina did because, as I was
saying, it's my spirit,sometimes manifested through
Naina.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah, thank you very much for sharing.
It's a fascinating concept andI've mentioned this a lot on the
podcast that the Bible saysthat when two people come
together sexually, they becomeone.
They become one in their soul.
They become bonded in theirsoul, their emotions, their
thoughts.
Sometimes a husband's cominghome from work and he can just
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get a sense of what his wifeneeds before he even walks in
the house, so maybe he comeshome with some roses as an
example.
Or a wife can just know thatmaybe her husband's having a bad
day.
They got this knowing in theirknower and so maybe she makes
them his favorite meal orwhatever.
These are just examples toillustrate the concept that they
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have become one.
They have been bonded in theiremotions, in their soul.
And when you have sex withsomebody, as we've talked a lot
about on here, demons aretransferred.
I call them STDs, sexuallytransmitted demons, and it
happens Even in Christiancouples that are born again,
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spirit filled, that have demons.
The demons can go back andforth between the married couple
, just as Aziz was explaining.
It's fascinating, but ithappens and it can be quite
common with married couples orparents and children.
There are sessions where you'reworking with the parents and
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taking them through an exorcism.
All of a sudden the childmanifests.
How is that possible?
All about the soul bonds andspiritual covering.
As fathers are the spiritualcovering over the family, over
the wife, over the children.
So if there's things in thehusband, then they have legal
right to come to the wife and tothe child.
It's all about legality, legalrights.
(01:00:24):
So, praise the Lord, you guyshave been freed up and it's an
ongoing journey.
I had someone recently ask me doyou think we'll ever stop
needing exorcism sessions?
And the answer is, for mepersonally, no, I think I'll
keep getting them along the way.
I just think that's a personalopinion.
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But I think it also can come toa point where there's people in
life that they're demons.
They're comfortable living withthem, so they don't get rid of
them.
So I know Christians personallythat are loaded full of demons
and they're comfortable with thetorment.
They're comfortable with thedysfunction in their life.
They're comfortable witheverything because they don't
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want to face themselves, and Ithink that's key.
They don't want to facethemselves, they don't want to
take ownership of the mistakesthat they made in life or the
things that's happened to themin life, because you have to be
brave and bold, to go into thatpain to get rid of the demons.
The demons are hiding in thetrauma.
The demons are hiding in thepain.
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You've got to go in there toget rid of them and you
listening right now, you can getrid of your demons.
You don't have to be afraidabout going into your trauma and
your pain.
Aziz and Nina did it.
I've done it, many people havedone it and so can you.
You don't have to be afraid.
You don't have to say I can'tdo this.
You absolutely can do it.
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Look, I'm blind.
So if I can do it, certainlyyou can do it.
And my encouragement to you,listening, is to make this year
be your year of freedom.
You don't have to give theseguys that free hotel room.
Kick them out, get tired of it,the torment.
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Everybody's tormented indifferent ways and it can stop.
You don't have to live that way.
Make this year be your year offreedom.
And, aziz and Nina, thank you somuch for coming on and sharing
your powerful testimony.
This was so inspiring.
I feel like I could docartwheels when I see how Jesus
Christ restores the lives ofpeople, and he has restored both
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of you.
This is wonderful, and at theend of every episode, I always
ask my guests to offer words ofencouragement to those listening
.
Listen, aziz and Nina.
There are people listening rightnow that have been listening
for a while, that know they havedemons and they're afraid to go
for an exorcism.
There are people listening whoare intellectual like you, aziz,
(01:03:00):
that are intellectual, that areinto IT or accounting or
attorneys or whatever theanalytical skill set is.
And there are families that arebroken from demons.
There are parents that listenwhose children are tormented.
I would like to ask each of youto just offer some love and
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encouragement to the peoplelistening.
Whether you're Christian or not, there is hope for you.
You do not have to live intorment.
You do not have to end yourlife.
There is hope, aziz, let'sstart with you.
Can you please offer some wordsof encouragement, maybe to even
people who are Muslim?
Listening?
Go ahead, my friend.
Here's some compassion andencouragement with the audience.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Maybe I'll speak first to those Muslim listeners
that are listening.
I would only like to say thatour Lord Jesus loves all in the
world and is only after the bestfor you as His children.
So I would only encourage youto search and seek the true
living God.
Find Him and let Him find you.
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In our Bible it tells us heknocks.
He's a gentleman, he knocks onthe door.
So if you search, he will findyou.
Keep seeking the true livingGod.
He really loves you.
He's out of love and respect.
I tell you this and I ask youbecause, at the end of it,
there's two places we go to whenwe die, and I would love to
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meet you in eternity in heaven,together with Jesus.
For those Christian brothersand sisters who actually say I
am born again and I am not, Idon't have a demon I would
encourage you Look at your life,step back.
I ask the Holy Spirit to leadyou, because all of us sure we
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are born again.
Our spirits are white as snow.
We are redeemed, it's true, butI believe that there are still
parts of us, in our emotions, inour thinking there is still
oppressed by demons or spirits.
So seek the Lord, find thosethings and seek help.
Today we have the internet.
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In the past we never had this,so you have an opportunity to
get things right in your life sothat the next generation and
the generation after don't havethe same issues that we have to
go through in our lives.
And I think that is the key,that is the main message I would
give you.
Give anything, it's not for ourgeneration, but for the ones
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that come after us, so they cantruly serve the Lord in freedom
and in peace.
It is my encouragement to youtoday.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
And Nina, let's come to you, go ahead and offer some
encouragement to Christians whoare listening, or mothers or
people who aren't evenChristians.
Go ahead, offer them someencouragement.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
My encouragement would basically be to praying
mums who believe in God.
Don't stop praying, because Godhears you where you are.
You don't mum, or even youngwomen.
You don't need to sell yourselfout to a prophet, to a
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spiritual leader.
There is a reason, like whenGod created Eve, that God hears
the fervent prayer of a mother.
God hears, he answers in thesingular time.
Don't stop praying mothers,sisters, for your families, for
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your husbands, for those whocome to salvation, to come to no
freedom in the land of theliving.
Don't stop praying, don't loseheart, don't stop covering your
family.
Don't stop believing becauseGod, the righteous God outside
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of eternity, he listens, hestops everything to listen to a
mother's prayer.
Don't lose your identity in whatis going on in the world, even
in the church.
It's too easy.
And also another worddeliverance and exorcism.
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It's real and it usually startswith a mum saying but what
about what if we?
And God is able.
Jesus hears, he sees your heart, he knows the love he has.
There is no measure of it.
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It's that wide and that high.
That's how much Christ loves us.
And your Bible, woman of God.
Keep it open.
This online Bible, know, getyourself a Bible, the living
word of God, get it in yourhouse, bring that life back into
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the house.
It is where you can start as achild of God, as a woman of the
most high God.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
You may be demon possessed and this is the first
time you're coming to therealization of it.
If that's you, I'd like toinvite you right now to go to my
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Until next time, god bless.
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