From Blindness to Deliverance: Justin’s Interview on Exorcism, Demons, and Finding Purpose in Christ

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Can blindness, trauma, and spiritual warfare lead to a deeper calling?

In this powerful episode, I’m interviewed by Ukrainian podcast host Bohdan Filiushyn of BohdanFproject, where we dive into my journey from losing my sight at 19 to becoming a certified exorcist. I share how Jesus Christ gave me peace, purpose, and the courage to confront darkness head-on through deliverance ministry.

Together, we unpack the theology of exorcism, the historical reality of demons, and the misunderstood spiritual realm. We also explore the link between psychology and exorcism, signs of demonic influence, and how addictions and generational curses can entrap us.

📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:

✅ My personal testimony of blindness, faith, and calling
 ✅ How exorcism fits into Christian theology and spiritual warfare
 ✅ The truth about demons, angels, and rebellion in heaven
 ✅ Paranormal signs of possession: alien abductions, ghosts, and more
 ✅ Why some addictions may be rooted in generational curses
 ✅ The healing power of Jesus Christ to break every chain
If you’ve ever questioned the supernatural or struggled with unseen battles, this episode will challenge and encourage you to pursue deliverance through Christ.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
exposing the darkness , revealing the light.
Welcome, my friends, to episode17 of the Blind Exorcist.
And I am Justin D, your happyhost.
Ha ha ha ha.
People like your, if I wasblind I wouldn't be happy.

(00:22):
Oh man, I'm happy.
You know why I'm happy?
Because of Jesus Christ, dude.
He absolutely freed me fromevery demon I've had, and even
if there are more, I'll still goback for more exorcism sessions
.
I don't care, but I have peaceof mind.
I have a connection with JesusChrist like I've never
experienced in my whole life.
This is why I do this, guys.

(00:43):
This is why I'm an exorcist.
I want you to experience this.
I want you to experience it.
Sitting that aside, I'd like tosay to you you with the earbuds
in you listening on YouTube,you on the treadmill right now,
you outside walking, or you justsitting there relaxing I want

(01:07):
to say from me to you MerryChristmas.
Merry Christmas, I pray thatyou have a blessed season with
family and friends and that yourejoice and celebrate in the
birth of our savior, the LordJesus Christ.
And I understand that this isnot always a good time for

(01:30):
people.
So if this is not a good timefor you because of the loss of a
loved one.
My thoughts and prayers arewith you.
Real quick, I'd like to inviteyou to rate the Blind Exorcist
podcast on your iPhone.
All you iPhoneers out there areiPads.
You can open up Apple Podcast,go to the Blind Exorcist, tap on

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rate and go ahead and give it arating and type a little
description of what you enjoyabout the show.
Thank you so much for that and,as always, please join,
subscribe and share this out tofamily and friends.
Thank you so much.
You guys have been with meabout, let me see, a year, 15

(02:15):
months how about that?
You guys have been with me nowfor 15 months.
It's been an awesome journey,each of you that keep coming
back and listening.
Thank you.
I do this to educate people thatthis is legitimately real, like
demon possession is real, justas real as any psychological or

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mental health condition and, asyou guys know, I always say it
needs to be a combination ofboth.
You have to have exorcism andpsychological help to really
heal up and regain who you areas a person.
So sometimes it's just part ofthe equation.
Sometimes I just want to getrid of demons and think it's
okay, but they're still notwhole and because they've not

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psychologically dealt with thetraumas.
And likewise, some people justgo the mental health condition
route and get medicated and gothrough counseling, but they've
not dealt with the demons, sothey're not whole and well as a
person and this truly can happenyou literally can become who
Christ intended you to be bycombining both of these

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practices.
So, sitting that aside, I wasrecently interviewed by a guy in
the Ukraine, bowden, and he isabout, I think he said maybe
five miles from Kiev, thecapital.
So he's literally right in themidst of this war over in the

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Ukraine between Russia and theUkraine, and he contacted me to
interview me about exorcism.
I absolutely love it.
Now I have people contact methat I'm not going to
participate.
For example, I had someone getahold of me that wanted me, as a

(04:06):
Christian exorcist, to come toa home with a psychic, a
channeler, I think.
I don't remember what the otherpeople were there, but they
wanted me to expel a demon outof somebody and they were going
to trap it.
I kid you not, I'm not makingthis up.
They were going to trap it in acage.
Ha ha, ha, ha, ha ha.

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And they were going toscientifically study the demon
that they've trapped through,like their I don't know their
ghost widgets and twidgets andtheir little lights and pins.
I have no clue but this was adead serious offer, like for
real, and so I get things likethat here and there, but then I

(04:50):
get some really I guess you'dsay more up my alley kind of
invites, and Bowdoin was one ofthem.
He's an awesome guy.
I've actually stayed in touchwith him after the podcast and I
pray for him, his girlfriendand his mother often.
So I hope you enjoy this.
I'm looking forward to 2024.

(05:13):
I'm very excited.
We're going to keep going, guys.
We're going to keep going.
Old Justin D's going to keeppumping out these interviews.
Man.
I got some pending already for2024.
I've been working with them,serving Jesus, serving people,
getting rid of those demons.

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Man, people are getting freedup, getting their lives back,
and you can have that too.
Make 2024 be the year of changefor you.
Get rid of your demons, myfriend.
Go through an exorcism.
It'll help you find the realyou and help you heal.
Okay, without any further ado,let me introduce to you Bowdoin

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and our interview.
Enjoy.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
One bam and we're live.
So, justin, as I've alreadysaid, it's an immense pleasure.
We've been intending to do itfor two weeks.
Would that be correct?
Yes, for two weeks.
And had I not, had I been a bitmore careful and cognizant of
my food choices, we would havedone it a week ago and I hadn't
been food poisoned.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
But well, you know, sometimes, yeah, very shorty,
I've had food poisoning.
Oh yes, gluttony, gluttony, itis right.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, we've all got our vices, so to speak, and it's
an interesting topic.
You are, admittedly, the firstexorcist with whom I am taking
the pleasure of talking, and I'dlike to get into that and
besides that.
I'm pretty uneducated on thistopic, so you would have to
explain to me, maybe a littlebit historically, how this whole

(06:59):
practice of exorcism has comeabout.
But before that, so being anexorcist and also a blind
exorcist, I'd like if that's nota personal topic, I'd like to
get into a little bit how you'vegot this condition of yours.
Was it something innate?
Were you born with that or didit happen during your birth?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, actually I wasn't For you and for your audience.
I am blind, I cannot seeanything.
I have type 1 diabetes and in1977, we're going way back in
time there I was 5 years old andI contracted type 1 diabetes,
they don't know why.
At age 16, I received mydriver's license.

(07:43):
Very happy just being thatteenager, finally got their
independence, their freedom, candrive to their friends, can go
out on dates all of that funstuff and I started to develop
an eye condition.
My eyes kept tearing and itchingand tearing and itching.
So I went to an optometrist andhe said that I had diabetic

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retinopathy.
This is a condition where youreyes bleed in the back of your
eyes from high blood sugars andthey didn't know that at the
time that it was caused fromhigh blood sugars.
Data said it was from diabetes.
Within a year I'd lost myeyesight.
I was blinded from the lasertreatments.
They would shoot laser in theback of my eyes to cauterize the

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bleeding blood vessels and thiswas done manually, and so this
was in probably 1988.
This was being done manuallyand they had pretty much blinded
me from the laser, plus thecombination of the diabetic
retinopathy.
In about a year from 16, I wentfrom complete independence and

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driving at 17, completely blind,and my life had drastically
changed because I'd went from anormal kind of middle class
North American kid to now aminority.
It was a drastic change.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
If you don't mind elaborating a bit on the
psychological condition, it musthave been devastating from a
person who could see to… Verymuch so.
Was it like a total loss, like100 percent?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
100 percent, but slowly over time.
So I gradually lost it, bit bybit, to where I couldn't see at
night time and eventually had tohold onto people's shoulders
and arms to get around tocomplete loss of eyesight.
The transition from being blindI'm sorry sighted to being
blind was very challenging forme and it's at that point in my

(09:40):
life that I really begin to seekGod, to seek Christ.
And that is at 19 years old, iswhen I actually became a
Christian and that was myinitial way to handle the trauma
.
Eventually through counseling,also adaptive training, where I

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learned to use a cane, how tocook independently, how to use
computers.
I eventually went to universityfor a degree in computer
programming.
I met my wife there.
She is sighted.
She was going for a master's inclinical counseling.
So I graduated with a computerdegree, computer programming,

(10:22):
and I immediately startedprogramming business
applications and it's been awild ride.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh yeah, it certainly has to get into that ride in a
pretty short time.
Do you think it would have beenharder for you had you not
found Jesus?
How much different would yourstory have been, you think?
In terms of your ability to putup with difficulties like that.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think I would have not made it.
I probably eventually.
I don't think suicide wouldhave been an option for me, but
I definitely think I would havedied from addiction and things
like that.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Were there thoughts of this kind, at that point
Something fatal must havecrossed your mind, honestly
speaking.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
You mean during the loss of my eyesight?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, yeah, during that initial state.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Actually it really didn't.
Absolutely I was depressed,absolutely I was traumatized,
laying in bed crying and allthat right for a while till I
could get counseling and processthrough it and so forth, but
the thought of killing myselfnever crossed my mind.
It just never did.
I was always had hope andbelief in Christ that even

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though I was blind, I could livea normal life.
I just had that faith andbelieved that inside of me.
I don't know if that was a giftfrom God or what, but even when
I went to university Igraduated with honors.
I was their first blind studentto go through the computer

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science department.
So it was very challenging Tonsof discrimination, inflexible
people, very black and whitethinkers, so very challenging to
get through university.
But to answer your question, no,I just always had this hope
that why can't I live a normallife?
And thanks to God, I believethat is who helped me, christ,

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get through Opening doors thatnever could have been open,
getting me in companies that Ihad no business getting in with,
training me in skill sets likefor today.
For those of your audiencewatching that are into tech
might be computer programmers.
I work in Azure, I work in thecloud, I work with Kubernetes I

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primarily program microservicesin Azure and working with
pipelines.
All these deployments, allthese sort of things.
It's been a very successfullife, but with a you have to
have determination.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Do you, being a person of faith, a believer,
what do you make out of thatargument?
From the other team of people,the non-believers that is, who
say quite often, who use thissort of an argument, that mostly
God is found, jesus is met andfound in trying time, in a test
in time, in a time of some sortof ordeal and challenge, they

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tend to use this argument assome sort of an indicator that
that's like an escape, like agateway for people who are
suffering and struggling.
That's usually where they findfaith.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Oh, absolutely, it's a gateway, and a wonderful one.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
And it should be.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, I would rather have that than be hooked on
heroin or whatever people mightget into to cope with pain,
because we all cope with pain.
We are human beings, we allsuffer, we all go through trauma
.
And it's how do we handle thattrauma to come out in a positive
fashion.
And you will find that a lot ofpeople who have severe trauma,

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like I know of a woman that's aparaplegic.
She dove into the water, hither head and at a very young age
became a paraplegic.
She could not, she was bedboundfor the rest of her life.
She also used Christ and isstill living and has a very

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powerful story, goes around asmotivational speakers and helps
people and things like that.
So there are many people whichwill get in this later, who find
Christ not because of thingslike physical problems, like a
cancer, blindness, paraplegic,things like that, but because,
in fact, of demons.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh yeah, that's interesting.
That gives me a nice excuse toget into it Just for a couple of
more seconds.
I have, admittedly, repeatedthis phrase a couple of times.
Perhaps one of those, perhapsthose five loyal listeners and
viewers of my YouTube channel,they will blame me for repeating
this phrase, but I say it's abeautiful phrase.

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That was said by my favoriteguitar player, john Froschante.
Right, he said that everybodyhas got a hole in a heart size
of God and everybody feels thathole differently.
So I just want to say that tome, the argument that people
find God in the most trying,testing or deal moments, that is

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not an excuse.
That doesn't serve a reason whyreligion is weak.
It must be like that, maybe notalways, because it's nice to
thank God.
And I say thank God, admittedlynot even being devoted
religious person, but I say it'snice to thank God when things
are fine, when things are goingnicely and there are plenty of
people who find God when thingsare perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
It just depends.
I know people who are extremelywealthy who found God in the
midst of all of their successand there was no trauma.
It was just a drawing.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I say as a prerequisite to find God.
Should there be some voidpreliminary, should there be
some sort of urgency?

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Because I think that's what everyone's doing in
life, and I see this so often asan exorcist.
Everybody has a void, everyonehas been through trauma and
we're going to try to fill thatsome way.
For one person, it's becomingthe best athlete they can be.
For another person, it'sbecoming the best CEO of a

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company that they can be.
So they're all.
And then for others it'sgetting into supernatural
practices to try to healthemselves and to become a
better person.
And so there's.
I think the void bottom line isuniversal.
I just do, I think and yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
You mentioned the word demons.
Tell me if demons are real.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I will, and let me share a little bit, because I am
a Christian exorcist, right, Ihave a Christian worldview
perspective and I just want tostep through a little bit of a
theology and I'm going to answeryour question through
explaining some of this briefly,because then we can transition
into what everyone wants to hearabout the spinning heads, the

(17:30):
green pea vomit, the levitationthings, vanishing all that sort
of stuff.
That's why people have clickedon your video right.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, most realistically, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
So let me explain from a Christian perspective how
we believe, what we believeabout Satan, what we believe
about demons, because that'sgoing to play into.
Why is there exorcism?
And I think it's important,like you mentioned in the
beginning, to have some kind ofhistorical understanding so that

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people can understand what isthis exorcism, where did it come
from, when did it start, allthese sorts of things?
So in the Christian mindset, inthe Christian religion, in the
theology of Christianity and, bythe way, as I share this, feel
free to disagree.
I respect people for who theyare, where they're at in life,

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what they believe.
I'm definitely not one todebate people and all that.
It's just, that's not me.
But I at least approach this aseducational.
Again, you don't have to agreewith it at all, but at least
it'll give you the understandingof Christian exorcists and why
we do what we do.
So in the Christian religion,we believe that there are only

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two sources of power God andSatan.
That's it.
So it greatly simplifies things, on one hand, when it comes to
exorcism and demons.
So we believe that there is Godand we believe that there's
Satan.
We also believe in Deuteronomy,chapter 18.

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For those who aren't aChristian, you can Google
Christian Bible online and youcan look at Deuteronomy 18.
That's chapter 18, verses 9through 12.
And in here God lists outbehaviors that he forbids, and
it's interesting what he listsout.
He says basically I'll put thisin my own words the following

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things are forbidden and hefinds them detestable.
He greatly disapproves of thembecause it takes the focus from
him, who loves us and caresabout us, and put directs it
towards something else to findyour future within, so forth.
Now again, this is theology.

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Feel free to disagree, but thethings he lists that he says are
not good, do not do.
Them are things like witchcraft, sorcery, divination, talking
to the dead, channelling andthings along these lines.
So in that book of Deuteronomyhe is telling the Jewish people

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when you go into the lands thatI'm giving you, these people
practice these and they burntheir children, they sacrifice
children and they have sorcery,they have channellers, they have
witches, they have all thesethings and they're very bad
because ultimately they harm you.
Now, to my Wiccan listeners andeveryone else, my apologies.

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I know that sounds offensive,but by all means again, view
this as educational, notcombative.
We have these practices listedin the Old Testament of things
not to do because God believesthat they are evil and they keep
us from being connected withhim.

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Satan, to answer your questionnow Satan and demons.
In the Christian religion webelieve that Lucifer was created
a godly being.
He was a very high angel inheaven, responsible for worship

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and glorifying God.
At a certain point in time hebecame prideful and said I will
be like God and sit above him.
So at that point God expelledhim from heaven because of the
pride and most people, mosttheologians, believe that a

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third of the angels went withhim and there is this in the
book of Revelation, chapter 12.
You can look at that chapterRight around verse 4, it starts
talking about how the greatdragon was cast out of heaven,
which is symbolic of Satan, andhis tail brought with him a

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third of the stars.
That's what most Christiantheologians believe.
The demons are those stars.
A revelation is all pictorialfor a concrete meaning, so it's
something just to understand.
So most Christians believe thatthe demons came initially were
angels.
They joined the rebellion withLucifer against God to overtake

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him.
God expels them out of heavenand the demons come down to
earth and they are the ones whostart teaching people the
practices to keep them away fromGod Things like sorcery,
divination, witchcraft,channeling because they want
Lucifer to be worshiped.
They want to keep them fromfinding God because that's where

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their salvation is through.
Christ is through God and soforth.
And I'm almost done here.
At a eventual point in time,jesus Christ comes.
Most people know about JesusChrist.
Some believe he's a prophet.
Christians and the theology ofChristian we believe that he was
God in the flesh and that hecame and he died on the cross

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for our sins so that we canaccept him, follow his teachings
, so that when we die we can goto heaven, because his blood is
what protects us and allows usto come into heaven.
For some reason, god requiresblood for the forgiveness of

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sins.
In the Old Testament it wassomething that was very sacred,
so they would sacrifice specificanimals to repent for their
sins and so forth.
So he said, the ultimatesacrifice is coming Again we're
talking theology here whichwould be Jesus Christ, and he
would be the ultimate sacrificefor all the world's sins.
And if you accept him andfollow his teachings, your sins

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are covered.
When you take your last breath,it'll be your first breath in
heaven.
Okay, so saying all of thatthrough the authority of Christ.
When Jesus Christ died, wascrucified by the Romans,
christian theology teaches thathe raises from the dead.

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He came back from the dead onthe third day.
They had a lot of eyewitnesses.
It's interesting if you readthe Christian Bible as a
historical document and not assomething religious.
It's quite interesting when youread it that way.
So there were a lot ofeyewitnesses that seen him come
back from the dead, from thegrave, and then he ascended up

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to heaven.
But because he had conquereddeath, because he was sinless,
because he went to heaven, hehas all authority and it's
through that authority that heconquered Satan.
He conquered the demons thatwere able to use his authority,
his name, to expel demons out ofpeople who have them and want

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to be free.
Jesus said in Luke 10, 19, thathe's given us authority over
all power of Satan.
So we have that authority.
We are nothing.
Again, I'm speaking asChristians, christian theology,

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so people can understand that Idon't have any power in me.
I am a very.
If it wasn't for Christ, Iwould not be going to heaven.
I'm a very sinful person and soforth.
So I don't have anything in meto expel demons.
They aren't afraid of me.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
They're only You're acting as a middleman.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Exactly, and they only have to listen to the
authority of Christ.
They don't have to listen toanything that I say, whatsoever,
and so it's through theauthority of Christ that we can
expel these demons.
Now that's very long-winded, soit's interesting because I

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apologize for that- but I wantedpeople to no, it's interesting,
it's alright to and you too tounderstand the theology as to
where do these demons come from-.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, there was a perfect answer in that regard?

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, and also, how do they get into people?
We can talk about that in alittle bit, but I want to pause
and take any of your questions.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's rather conspicuous, to say the least,
because a lot of people tend toview demons and possession cases
as merely psychologicaldeviations, which they are to a
certain extent.
But you have just said, as faras I can judge, theologically
well elaborated that it's almost.

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It's not almost, but it's real.
Like those demons, they camedown from the sky and they were
absolutely real and tangible ina way, and now they act to the
best of their abilities to graba hold of those weak-minded
people.
So it's not something let's sayimaginative, it's not something

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that people get themselves into.
There is a real force that'spresent.
This real force takesoccupation of those who are
susceptible to it.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, exactly.
Another aspect of Christiantheology which is quite
interesting is there is what'scalled the trinity, which
Christianity teaches that God isthree entities and one.
So you have God the Father, Godthe Son and God the Holy Spirit
.
So there's three parts there,but they're all one.

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And I tell people, it's like anegg you have the white, you
have the shell, you have theyolk.
It's three parts of an egg, butit's still an egg.
So why do I share that?
Because in Christian theologyit instructs that when we were
created by God, we were alsocreated in three parts.

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God is three parts, so we arethree parts.
So we have our soul, and that isour emotions, our thoughts and
how we think and how we feel,our fantasy, all of that sort of
thing.
That is what's called the soulwithin a Christian context.
There's a lot of differentdefinitions for what a soul is,

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but that's one part of our being, our soul, which is typically
our mind, our thoughts, ouremotions, how we feel, our
fantasies and imaginations.
That's considered the soul.
Then we have our physical body,our hands, our skin, our
skeletal structure, our anatomy,our muscles, our tendons right.

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So that's part.
That's a second part.
The third part is the spiritand that's the part of a person
that lives forever.
And I personally believe thatwhen we look into the mirror,
even though our bodies age,there's a part of us that we can
identify with that says it'snot aging, and that is that
spirit.

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And so, in the Christian context, when a person dies, their
spirit and their soul go withthem to God for judgment.
So we die, we stand before God,we have all of our thoughts,
all of our memories, everything,because our soul is intact in
our spirit.

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And so at that point we, youknow, it's hey, have you
accepted Christ and followed him?
Yes, then okay, your sins arecovered.
There is blood.
Come on into heaven, and ifyou're not, unfortunately you
have to go to hell.
That's tough to say, Peopledon't like talking about stuff
like that, but that is and notonly a Christian religion, but

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many religions teach about hell,and God doesn't want, in
Christianity, God doesn't wantanyone to go to hell.
That's why he sent Christ.
Hell was made and here's thekicker, here's what I'm getting
at Hell was made for Satan andthe demons, where they will
eventually be put in it foreverby God for their rebellion, for

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all the trauma and everythingthey've caused Satan and the
demons will be put in hell.
So Satan says if I'm going, I'mbringing you with me, I'm not
going alone.
So any way he can derive waysto keep people from finding
Christ and serving him andgetting the heaven, he'll do it.

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It doesn't matter what it is.
And demons enter the soul of aperson so they come into their
soul, their mind, their thoughts, their emotions, their
imaginations.
They cannot go into the spiritof a person that is sacred.
I've worked with people thatsaid I've given my spirit to

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Satan.
And no, you can't.
It's just, I know you think youcan, but you can't.
I've given my soul to Satan.
God created it.
So I know you think you'vegiven your soul to Satan, but
really you can't do that.
But the demons come into thesoul and when they're in your
soul they can vet you in manyways.

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They can cause severe, you nameit.
I just worked with adestruction, a destruction
because Christ said when he wason the earth Satan comes to
steal, kill and destroy.
That's the nature of Satan,that's the nature of demons.

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You're Satan saying we're goingto hell, you're coming with us,
we're going to kill you, You'recoming with us.
And Christ said I've come togive you life and give it to you
more abundantly.
I want to give you life.
Satan wants to kill you, veryblack and white.
But this is the theology of this, and when people have demons,

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they will experience paranormalphenomena.
And sometimes it's just they'reconstantly hearing voices of
you're not good enough, You'llnever amount to anything, Kill
yourself.
And or they look in the mirrorand they hear your fat.
You're disgusting, no one'sever going to love you.

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And they're hearing thesevoices and I'll talk about
psychology in just a minutebecause it's definitely part of
that as well.
But the demons will tormentpeople.
That's their main thing thatthey do.
So sometimes they'll come inthe middle of the night and
they'll cause demonic sleepparalysis where they paralyze

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somebody.
I work with clients where theyare raped by demons.
Physically, I've spoken withpeople who have found themselves
levitated to the ceiling.
I have witnessed myselfpersonally a lot of paranormal
supernatural phenomena, becauseI myself had demons.

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This is how I got into this,because I don't want anyone to
suffer the way I have.
So the reason I'm an exorcistis out of compassion.
I suffered for many years.
One paranormal phenomena that Ican mention that I personally
experienced was two people.
I had a friend praying with meone time and a demon manifested

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in me.
Manifest means comes into mymind and can take over my body
when it, when a demon is in yourmind, also can take over your
physical body.
My friend was leading me in aprayer.
A demon manifested within meand when that happened I became
unconscious, but it was fullypresent, using my voice, my eyes

(33:57):
, my face.
According to my friend, thewhole disposition changed and
looked at my friend and it saidwhat a pretty pink shirt.
And my friend had a pink shirton.
I had no clue what he waswearing, so it could see through
my eyes crystal clear.
The second encounter like thiswas with my actual exorcist,

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which is Dr Bob Larson.
He not only took me through myexorcism sessions, but he
mentored me and trained me.
He's 80 years old and he hasdone over 50,000 exorcisms
worldwide.
He has done it in over 100countries.
He's written over 20 books, sohe's big caliber was a team that

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you send.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You had sent videos of him coming to you.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, to the Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, he, he loves you Ukrainian people.
He goes as often as he can, butanyways, when he was taking me
through a session, a demonmanifested in me.
Again, manifest means takesover my, my whole body, my just
everything, and he was holding across up and it looked at him

(35:11):
and said Get that out of my face, take that out of my face so it
could physically see the cross.
I'm blind, just like how youand I are on him and I were on a
zoom session.
He's out in Arizona and so,anyhow, just how you and I are
talking, I can't see you.
I have no clue what you looklike, none whatsoever.

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But the demons looking throughcould see him perfectly fine.
So those are a coupleparanormal situations that that
I've encountered myselfpersonally, and a lot of my
clients experience these thingsas well.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
So you had previously mentioned this phenomenon of so
called sleep paralyzes and howpeople tend to live.
Some people find themselveslevitated up the ceiling, some
have some kind of sexualencounters.
You must have heard, I'm sure,of this phenomenon called lucid
dreaming.
When you're, what do you?
How you go about that?
It appears to be a rathercommon experience.

(36:09):
Some people report beingabducted by UFOs.
Some people report somereligious instances.
Yeah, how do you explain that?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
from a Christian perspective, again, there are
only two powers God and Satan.
So it makes it pretty easy ifsomeone's being abducted by
aliens.
It's demons that are masking asaliens, and we have worked in
our network of exorcists withpeople who have been abducted by
aliens truly believed and itwas demons.

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So they went through anexorcism, the demons were
expelled and all of that stopped.
So it's.
We've worked with ghost hunterswhere they go out with a voice
box.
One young lady went out to thegraveyard and put the voice box
down on the grave and turned iton and a voice started speaking
through to her.

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She got demons from that.
And why is that?
Because in the Christianperspective, there's only two
power, satan and God, and so shewas being tormented terribly by
demons, physically attacked,assaulted, complete isolation,
depression.
None of this was existent inthis young woman until she

(37:21):
started experimenting with that.
No matter what it is from aChristian perspective, we're
always going to come back to twopowers God or Satan.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
So even that's interesting.
So you're basically saying thateven if it's factually some
sort of a brain activity, thereal question to be asked is how
it affects you, whether it'ssomething positive or negative.
And if it's something negative,it apparently is coming from
Satan and therefore thatrequires some interaction from

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an exorcist.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
It depends.
It depends and let me clarifythat because there are
psychological issues that peoplehave that they think are demons
and they're not, for example,schizophrenia.
Right, so when I wouldsuperficially look a lot like
demons, demons possession rightand under Dr Larson we've been
trained on that to be aware ofthe psychological issues that

(38:15):
people may have Schizophrenia,bipolar disorder, things like
this.
I was working with a client onetime and I have intake
questions that they fill out soI can look for fingerprints of
demons through their life, theirhistory.
And on the intake question shedid not indicate that she had

(38:35):
schizophrenia.
So I worked with her for aboutthree sessions and I wasn't
seeing any release for her.
She was not getting in.
The same voices were there andI said have you ever been
diagnosed with schizophrenia?
And she said yes, and I said Ireally wish you would have put

(38:56):
that on your intake form becauseit would have helped me better
understand what we're dealingwith here.
So I just encouraged her tocontinue with her psychiatrist,
stay on her medication becausein her mind these voices were
demons, but they weren't, ifthat makes sense, so yeah, so

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there is a lot of.
You have to have discretion, orI should say we've been trained
to have discretion when we workwith people.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
How does, how do you compare Two images of a patient
who requires a real, let's say,exorcism interception versus the
one who thinks he's possessed?
How would those two people lookon surface?
Any visual differences,behavior differences?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah when somebody is possessed, there are symptoms
that they're going todemonstrate, so they're going to
have an adversion to holythings.
The demons in them aren't goingto want to be around things of
Christ or of crucifixion orcrosses, so they just have this

(40:12):
innate adversion to holy things.
They also have a loss of time,people who are demon possessed
Because when a demon manifestswithin them, the actual person
loses consciousness when thedemon takes over them, and I've
worked with clients wherethey've lost track of time for
several hours, where they windup in a different part in the

(40:35):
house and don't remember gettingthere.
So, loss of time, adversion tothings that are holy.
The other thing I mentioned wasthe sleep paralysis.
Things like this and it's thehistory as well is very
important of a person If theyhave a history of proclivities

(40:57):
towards certain.
Yeah, very much so.
So if somebody's father hadschizophrenia and the
grandfather had schizophreniaand the great grandfather, then
we know this is not going to bedemons.
As an example, or somebody mayhave a history of addiction and

(41:19):
psychologically it's looked at,which is true, that it is
dysfunctional patterns passed onfrom generation to generation.
But as an exorcist, we takethat a bit further and say, yes,
we acknowledge that this ispsychological dysfunction passed
on to family by family tofamily through generations.
But we go a step farther andsay that this is a curse on the

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family that's being passed on.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
And there are certain categories of those demons.
I may have heard something thatsomehow, sometimes, some demons
, so to speak, categorize theones that try to destabilize
your family, the ones thataffect your career, the ones
that hit your addictions.
Is there types of demons inthat regard?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, there are common demons that we come
across and it's interesting tocompare notes with Catholic
exorcists, because they have thesame demons that we come across
, which is quite interesting.
So, yeah, there are categoriesof demons or demons that have
specific names that we come incontact with quite regularly.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, when, if a person, say, is suffering with a
known vice I would call it avice, alcoholism, for example,
right, do you think that personwould potentially benefit more
from going to an exorcist otherthan seeking some medical help,

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that sort of thing?
How would one go aboutdistinguishing who to refer to?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, that's an excellent question.
It really is.
And for those listening, I willtell you that I do have a
podcast you can listen to.
It's called the Blind Exorcist.
You can listen to it on yourfavorite podcast app.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I think that's how I've come across you.
Honestly.
I think you've been interviewedby someone and, yeah, I reached
out like that.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, cool, yeah, so anyhow it's the Blind Exorcist
podcast, but on there.
I think from day one.
I've always said it has to be acombination of psychology and
exorcism.
It's rare that it's just one.
In our Western minds,everything's psychological.

(43:38):
There are not demons, there isno supernatural realm.
I think that's a great mistake,because there's a lot of people
suffering who have triedeverything psychologically and
nothing has worked.
And they may in fact havedemons but have been told that
these aren't real, this doesn'texist.

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And then there's the other sidewhere people say I have demons
and just go to an exorcist.
And that's why we make sure upfront that we're not looking at
schizophrenia and things likethat.
So I believe in your case oflight alcoholism, it absolutely
needs to be both, or at least itshould start medically, get in

(44:24):
a 12 step program, work thesteps, see if you can get off
whatever the addiction might be,and if you cannot and you've
tried everything you can thenperhaps it could be demons and
see an exorcist.
Yeah, that's the way I approachit.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, that appears smart Now in your observation is
attending an exorcist from thepoem.
In society, in moderncivilization, let's say, it
depends.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I really think it depends because it's becoming
more common.
Now.
Experts and therapists arestarting to recognize that there
is authentic demon possessionand I know therapists who, when
they identify this, they referthem out to exorcists and they

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work very closely with theexorcist.
So it's a therapeutic.
In other words, the therapistisn't an exorcist, so he's not
going to know how to handle that, so he will refer them out to
an exorcist and they work as ateam.
This is starting to become morecommonplace.
It's not like the most commonthing, but I have seen this and

(45:47):
it's getting more.
I just read an article a coupleof months ago I wish I still
had it where psychiatry in facttruly is starting to recognize
that demon possession is real.
They see it and a clientsitting across from them and
they sense a deep, dark changein the atmosphere and the

(46:09):
client's eyes dilate completelyblack where the whites of their
eyes are gone and when you lookinto the eyes of evil you know
it and their disposition changesand their voice changes and it
speaks through the person andthat psychiatrist gets chills
clear up and down their spine,down goosebumps all over their
arms.

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They know they're looking at ademon and so that's why they
refer them out to get help inthat regard.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Oh yeah, obviously.
If something like that does notserve as a great reason to
resort to an exorcist, then Idon't know, but another way.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
For me personally, I know for me I had severe anxiety
, soverease anxiety.
I tried every anxietymedication ever created in.
Not a single thing helpedperiod.
When I went through my exorcismsessions, my possession was

(47:13):
very severe.
I went for 14 months prettymuch on a weekly basis,
sometimes every other week, butI had a lot because I started
when I was 48.
And through my exorcismsessions at a certain point in
time all of my anxiety, everyaddiction I ever had, 100%

(47:38):
legitimately stopped, as if I'venever had it, never had it.
I suffered with anxiety.
Probably I mean 25 years.
And so that's another sign thatI tell people like if you've
tried everything psychologicallyand nothing seems to help, like
when you take anxietymedication, it should help you.

(47:59):
It may not fully take it awaybut it should make it tolerable
where you're not crippled withanxiety and things like this.
But if you've tried everythingthere is to try and nothing's
helping, who's to say it may notbe demons, it's not going to
hurt anything to go see anexorcist now?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, I imagine it will take a lot of
open-mindedness and flexibilityof people's way of thinking.
A lot of people just restrictthemselves to start with.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, and sometimes people disable us as this is the
best it's going to get.
I worked with a client a coupleweeks ago.
He was in complete isolation.
This is amazing.
This all brings me to tears.
26 years old, completeisolation, can't come out of the

(48:49):
bedroom, he's unkept, has notbathed in weeks, suicidal,
completely depressed.
And he came to me for help andI took that young man through an
exorcism and there weredefinitely demons present and

(49:11):
that were causing him to sufferin this way.
They were expelled through theauthority of Christ.
I can't do this on my own.
Like I was saying, I stronglyencouraged him afterwards go for
counseling to now work throughyour trauma.
Demons enter through trauma, bythe way.
We can touch on that if youwant.

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But I said go to counseling.
So I kept after him You've gotto get in counseling now because
the demons are expelled,causing the isolation, the
depression, the suicidalthoughts.
But now you've got to go fortherapy to work through the
traumas.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
And he did close that door.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
The close.
Yeah, and he did, and he stuckwith it.
And now today he has afull-time job, he's moved out of
his parents' house, he's in hisown apartment and he's
preparing to go to college to bea computer programmer, and he
wants to work in the cloud.

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So he's studying, he's working,he's happy, he's interactive.
It's a beautiful story of thepower of combining exorcism with
therapy.
It's just, it's remarkable.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, nice, nice.
What is up with the cross?
Does the cross serve as amerely and I don't want to say
mural, like it's something?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
little.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
But is it just the cross being a symbol and
representation of Jesus, or isthere some other reason, or
rather an obvious reason?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, it is the defeat of Satan on the cross.
That is what bothers demons.
Not all demons are bothered bythat.
It depends on how powerful theyare, how strong they are.
A lot of them are.
We put the cross on someone'sforehead in instant
manifestation and sometimes notso much.
But yeah, basically it is arepresentation of the defeat of

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Satan and they cannot stand that.
It's.
The theology of Christianity isthat God created Adam and Eve,
man and woman, perfect in thegarden with him.
I'm sure a lot of people haveheard about this.
If you have it, you can read it.
The Garden of Adam and Eve andSatan comes in tempsum.
They eat forbidden fruit andallow sin into the world and

(51:34):
we're all under a curse of sinand death.
That's why we die.
Originally we were supposed tolive with God in this garden and
live a good life, and so Christcame, died on that cross, and
now we have a way out of the sinand the death cycle through
Christ and accepting him as asavior and so forth.

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So it's the defeat of thatsinful curse that's on all
mankind that drives in demons.
Nuts, they can't stand that.
They were that stupid tocrucify the Savior and cause
their own demise, their owndefeat.
So there's a lot of anger andtorment inside of demons when

(52:17):
you hold that cross up becauseit represents number one.
You're the idiots who put themup on the cross and secondly,
you lost the power of sin anddeath.
We have a way out of yoursystem now, so that's why it
really can get them kind ofcrazed.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
That's the weak spot.
Yes, yeah, yeah, rub it in.
Yeah absolutely being anexorcist.
Are you annoyed by all thesenumerous movies that keep coming
out, and some of them are good.
Majority of them are bad.
What's your attitude to those?

Speaker 1 (52:49):
It's Hollywood right.
Hollywood's out to make moneyand they always have been.
When I was sighted, I watchedthe original Exorcist movie
filmed in the 70s, where thegirls had spined around and
she's vomiting out green peasoup and at the end the pre Is
that too far off?
They do vomit because when you,when they come inside of a

(53:11):
person when I say come inside,meaning manifest, remember
demons will come into your mindand when they're in there, they
can control your voice, yourbody, they can control your
thoughts, they can.
Compulsion is a huge attributebehavior to demons, always
compelling you to do something.
But they will vomit andsometimes they do that when

(53:35):
they're being expelled justbecause they're under such
intense pain themselves, andother times they will do that
just to annoy us, frustrate usand it smells quite futile.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, I imagine I don't, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, because it's a demonic induced vomiting.
So it's, and it's quiteinteresting.
I get very frustrated andannoyed with them.
It's because I can't see them.
But, like some of my sightedexorcists that I work with,
they'll see things like aperson's jaw completely on hinge
and then come over and touchtheir right ear and they're

(54:12):
having to look at this and I'mthere, taking these spirits on
with them and demons on, and noteven faced by it.
Or they'll see someone's headspin like literally completely
around in between their shoulderblades.
You know, looking at them withtheir eyes back in their head
and foaming at the mouth andyeah, yeah, you've heard that.

(54:34):
Yeah, yeah, this happens, thishappens.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
So when that happens, is it some sort of it's
obviously a demonic embodiment?
Yes, and I'm just saying thathumanly it's not possible.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So the demon altars physical traits somehow.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah, yeah, they can do that.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, they can manipulate the body in ways that
we, as humans, cannot, and soif that happens to, sorry for
interrupting, but if thathappens to a victim, does that
victim, once the demon is chasedaway, does the victim?
Is the victim even capable ofcontinuing living?
Or no injuries, no damage?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the demons.
When they are expelled, aperson's head is going to be
back to normal and they couldhave some pain from what had
happened to them.
But no, they're not going to.
It can be painful, but damagedpermanently exactly.
And the reason they do thesethings is because they know to

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impress not to impress but to doterrify, and the reason they
want to use fear to stop this isbecause they don't want
expelled, and so, if they canput on a show to intimidate
their enemy, which is Christ inus, the exorcists.
They hate to look at us Becausewhen they, we force them to

(55:53):
keep their eyes open and look atus and it burns.
They hate it Because when theylook at us because we have
Christ in us, it just burns.
So they, it's a fight.
It is a fight.
I've been in exorcism sessionsthat have lasted eight hours Wow
yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And I've been in how many people to those include in
the room.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
We usually work at least with two, two people yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, I imagine.
I imagine because I must haveseen probably every single one
of those films and somebody hasgot to hold the yes possess.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
That's another sign.
Has to do the work.
Yep, I apologize Interruptedyou, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
No, go, go ahead yeah .

Speaker 1 (56:39):
That's another sign of possession is supernatural
strength.
You got a five foot two woman,very thin, and five men that are
huge can barely contain her.
And I was being interviewed bya gal a couple months ago and
maybe that's the one you've seen, I don't remember but she said,

(57:02):
yeah, but there are women whocan go lift a car, like when a
child's underneath, and that'strue.
But there there's a difference.
Believe me, demonicsupernatural strength is very
real and it is a sign that welook for.
Yeah, though that's whynormally we'll have two

(57:24):
exorcists and we do those intakequestions and, based on those
intake questions, we get a goodsense of what demons are going
to be there, and if they areviolent, then, yes, we bring
people to help restrain.
If we're doing it in person, Iworked yesterday, as a matter of
fact, with another exorcistteam and we had a professional

(57:50):
boxer, a heavyweightprofessional boxer, that had
come for an exorcism, and you,he must have been menacing for
life, oh my gosh.
yes, so you had better believewe had brought some big boys
there to restrain him.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, must have been the whole boxing match with the
yes, yes, wow.
So you've already mentionedcertain outstanding cases.
However, the bottom line of themost let's I'm not afraid of
saying traumatizing and mindblowing cases that you've had to

(58:27):
go through yourself, what wouldthat be?
Any one particular exorcismthat has always stood out?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I can't, I wouldn't know.
There isn't any that becauseit's normal for me, so nothing
really stands out, if that makessense.
I've worked with clients whohave had scratch marks and bite
marks from demons physically ontheir body.
It's so.
There are these paranormalobjects moving glasses across

(59:06):
the moving or strata flying.
Yeah, flying yeah and lightscoming off and on.
That's another interestingthing.
Like we cleanse homes, becausehouses can be possessed, not
just humans, which isinteresting.
So a lot of times we'll have togo through houses to cleanse
them because, right, there was amurder in the home, there might

(59:30):
have been a suicide in the home, there could be occultic
satanic rituals performed on thegrounds, there could be Indian
burial sites where there'sshamans and people buried there.
So you get a lot of demonicactivity and people will contact
us and say I have a ghost in myhouse and can you come help?

(59:53):
And it goes back to what I saidoriginally in a Christian
paradigm it's there's only twopowers Satan and God.
That's it.
As exorcist, as Christianexorcists, we don't believe in
ghosts, they are demons.
We believe, as a Christian,that when someone dies, they,
their soul and their spirit, goto in front of God.

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They're not left on the earthroaming around.
So when people say I see mygrandfather sitting in the chair
for me, that's not grandfather,that's a demon.
And they can shape shift.
That's one thing demons can do.
They can shape shift intoanything they want.
I worked with a woman that wasinterviewed Sorry, not worked
with.
Actually I have worked with hera few times, but she was in

(01:00:37):
astral projection and she wouldleave her body and go out into
other planes of existence andshe could see and hear what her
neighbors were doing.
And all these and this sort ofstuff is real.
This is what people getinvolved in.
But it's normally when someonedecides to become a Christian

(01:01:01):
that the arts that they're usingand practicing turn on them in
a very vicious way.
As long as they're not servingChrist, the demons are fine.
As soon as they turn to Christ,then all hell breaks loose,
because they put a lot ofinvestment in that person to get

(01:01:24):
them to go to hell, becauseremember Satan's philosophy if
I'm going, you're going.
So if they have someonepracticing arts that allow the
demons to be in them and thensomeone becomes a Christian,
they're going to go nuts, andthat's when they contact us.
So just throwing some morestuff out there to tickle your

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audience is fancy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah, that's it.
Do you use spells?

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Do I use spells?
Yeah, no, no, spells are bothyou know, we primarily do curse
breaking and we hear let meexplain from a Christian
perspective how this happens Ademon just can't enter you.
It has to have a legal right toenter you.
So if I pulled out a contract,I wish I had a piece of paper

(01:02:21):
but say I pull out a piece ofpaper okay, and it's a contract
and I say to you your name isBowden, is it Okay?
I'm just checking because thescreen reader I use so
oftentimes speaks people's namesincorrectly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Okay, that was good.
Strangely, people that couldread it perfectly mispronounced
it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Okay.
So it's Bowden and Justin sosay I pull out a contract and I
say Bowden, I lay down thecontract and I write some terms
on it.
Now I'm talking.
This is like a spiritualcontract, right, people don't
realize this, but a demon justcan't enter.
You have to have a legal rightthrough things we've interacted

(01:03:05):
with, whether ignorantly orwillfully.
It has to have a legal rightand open door to come into a
person's mind, to their soul.
So I lay out a contract and Ilay out terms.
I say if you visit a psychicand if you use tarot cards and

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if you participate in seancesand I'm writing out this
contract I have a legal right toenter you.
So I lay this contract down infront of you.
Bowden says I'm gonna go to apsychic and get a reading and
see what.
You sign the contract there.
Next to the psychic Boom, youopen the door.
You have a demon from thepsychic.

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You don't know that, but theyenter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Yeah, I believe that's what is commonly referred
to as selling your soul to thedevil Lots of celebrities, maybe
it's a little bit of adifferent thing.
Yeah it's yeah, they get blamedfor selling their souls to the
devil.
Maybe that's more of a theymade a contract.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, they have a legal agreement.
So that's how demons enterpeople.
They just can't enter peopleand that's why when people work
in some of the arts like Wicca,like shamanism and things like
this energy healer a lot oftimes these arts people really

(01:04:28):
sincerely want to help people.
They're not practicing thesearts because they're evil people
.
They sincerely believe thatthey can help people and so
forth.
And what happens is they don'tunderstand that they're opening
up doors, legal agreements fordemons.
They think that they're spiritguides, they think that they're

(01:04:50):
familiars, that they're helping,that they're gifted, they have
special abilities and thesesorts of things.
But really what's happeningfrom a Christian perspective is
it's all deception becausedemons can shape, shift into
everything and we work withpeople who come out of Wicca and
they have demons from thepractice.
As we work with people, I justinterviewed an energy healer

(01:05:13):
that went through an exorcism.
That's my latest podcast.
Another girl that usedmindfulness, meditation and the
law of attraction to attract herfuture lover to her got demons
from doing this.
Up till that point she was fine.
She just didn't think there wasanything wrong.

(01:05:34):
She didn't know, and you cancheck that out on my podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It's called Phoebe's story from spiritual exploration
to exorcism those people whouse all sorts of attraction
meditations or I don't know if aprayer is applicable here.
They are bound to get some kindof entity on themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yes, and a lot of people yes, absolutely, and a
lot of people who practice whatthe big broad category is new
age practices.
There's so many, but theythemselves identify that there
are what they call bad entitiesthat come inside of a person and

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begin to torment them.
But really, from a Christianperspective, it's demons and
they come to us.
They come to us.
I was at a show here in our area.
It was an art show.
A friend of mine and I went.
He has a product that he sellsand he goes around to different
festivals and we had went and wehad happened to be placed right

(01:06:38):
next to Satanists who weredisplaying art and Wiccans.
And here we are.
He's also got advertisement outabout exorcism and if you need
help.
So we're in the midst of allthese people that seemingly have
these opposite belief systemsand it was a wonderful

(01:07:00):
experience to be there becausethey would come up and ask us
questions and we would talk andshare with them, and I think
that's what's important.
I think a lot of people whohave practices that maybe are
considered demonic in theChristian universe need to
understand that not allChristians are out there bashing

(01:07:23):
people and screaming andarguing.
It takes a person who'semotionally well, to work well
with people.
I have friends who are Muslimand we sit down and we talk
about the differences of ourreligions intellectually.
I'm not there to convert them,they're not there to convert me,

(01:07:44):
but we better understand ourreligions.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Do you think exorcists should be more spread?
Would you like more people tobe more cognizant of what really
is?

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
I really do, because it actually, for the most part,
most exorcisms are very gentleprocess.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Unlike to what is shown in films, exactly yeah,
very brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Most the exorcisms, we just converse the way you and
I are right now.
When it comes time to expel thedemons, that's when things can
get a little bit spicy, butoutside of that it's a very
gentle process.
It's very hard on the demons.
It's more hard on them than itis on the person, and so I think
Hollywood and some ways isglorified.

(01:08:28):
Exorcism is some over the topand it puts fear in people and
it's a shame because I do thinkthat people can be helped
through this.
Again back to my point wherepeople have tried everything in
psychology, maybe even in someof the different new age
practices, to get better and nomatter what.

(01:08:49):
They just can't get better.
And that's what I always tellpeople If you've tried
everything, you can try, and I'mjust sharing this even with
your audience.
If you tried everything, youcan try and nothing is shifting
permanently the placebo effect,where you feel good for a little
bit, then you got to go trysomething different, because now

(01:09:10):
you feel bad again, then you gotry that and you feel bad and
then nothing's really shifting.
I would encourage you toconsider getting in touch with a
Christian exorcist who has beentrained and certified and is
under someone.
There's so many people Boat andyou and I could throw up our

(01:09:31):
own YouTube channel right nowand be like, hey, we can heal
anyone, pay us a hundred bucksand have no training whatsoever
and can really damage people.
So, you know, if you areopen-minded to an exorcism, I
would encourage you to considerDr Bob Larson his website's

(01:09:53):
BobLarsonorg or you can go to mywebsite, because I've been
trained by him, justindcom, andI work with people for free all
the time who can't afford to pay.
It's always an option.
So if you're watching this andyou're like I don't know, man,
maybe I should look into this.
Those are some great resources.

(01:10:14):
The Catholic Church also hasgood exorcists as well that can
help Be open.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah, I will definitely be sure to list the
links to your channel and allthe provided links.
I've always said this thing.
It's like these days there.
I've again repeatedly said thatthere appeared to be a lot of
misters, know-it-all, peoplethat are seemingly experts in
every field, and I've alwaysdespised those guys, whether

(01:10:43):
they're it be so.
Here's my stance, honestly, onreligion, and I have repeatedly
stated it.
But I have not yet come to thatpoint when I can absolutely and
artically claim that I am areligious and devoted follower
of certain religion.
Yet I am definitely by no meansan atheist and I just I find

(01:11:04):
those people that claim theyknow something for a hundred
percent I've got certainquestions regarding that
particularly atheists, becauseit's to me the concept of
disproving something must alwaysimply the probability of
changing your stance.
And a lot of those atheists,non-believers they appear to be

(01:11:25):
so ironclad, fixed in certainbeliefs that nothing would
possibly ever change theirstance.
And religious people likewise.
I think religious people, thesame older, with religious
people it's a little bitdifferent because their religion
literally dictates them, tellsthem to never abandon it right,
because that would thenotherwise completely contradict

(01:11:48):
their whole previous practice.
So that's okay, but I've alwayssaid that, regarding exorcism
particularly, I said yeah, youcan be the most, let's say,
educated and reasonable andrational, logical person in the
world.
As soon as objects start flyingin your room part, and in my
language, where as soon as shithits the fan, you don't know

(01:12:08):
what the hell to do.
You know where you're gonna go.
You ain't going to apsychologist.
You ain't going to your mentor,right, probably gonna head to
the nearest church, because it'snot every day.
Knives are flying in yourkitchen and weird yeah and we do
it important to keep yourselfopen-minded right yeah to
certain probabilities yeah, it'shard for people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I'm a software engineer, so I'm a very critical
thinker.
One of the main reasons I'm anexorcist and I believe an
exorcism was because of my ownpersonal experience.
But had I not had demons?
It's hard to tell, because I amvery analytical and most people
are trapped in the tangiblewhat you can see, taste, spell,

(01:12:54):
touch, and anything beyond thatthere's always an answer.
There's all okay.
So the lights shut off in thehouse on their own.
All there's an answer had tobeen a breaker trip.
So let me go to the breaker box.
The breakers not tripped.
Maybe the bulbs burns out.
Then they walk to go check thebulb and then the lights come

(01:13:15):
back on.
And then they stand there andthey think there has to be a
reason.
Maybe the power went out?
No, the lights aren't blinking.
The clock on the microwave isnot blinking, it's still set to
the correct time.
I don't know, but there has tobe a reason.
So when they come across thingslike that that they can't
explain through logic, they justdismiss it as I don't know and

(01:13:37):
then they move on.
But what they really need to dois say now, wait a minute, is
it possible that what justhappened could be supernatural,
because not everything does havea logical answer.
A lot of the times it does, butnot always, and it's in those

(01:13:58):
times when you don't have ananswer through logic that you
should just contemplate andthink is there really a
supernatural realm?
And that's how I encouragepeople who are very critical
thinkers and things like that,because I personally believe
that most people not all, butmost people have experienced

(01:14:24):
something supernatural in theirlife, in, and sometimes multiple
times in.
Sometimes people are justafraid and they don't want to
admit it, so they just deny itand reject it, and other times
it's just people can't find alogical reason as to why
something's happened, so theyjust dismiss it and move on.

(01:14:48):
But it's important, I think, forpeople to understand that there
is a supernatural realm.
If we look historically at all,all countries, all cultures,
from the beginning people haveworshipped gods the artwork, the
paintings, the ceremonies,everything, so it's.

(01:15:11):
How can we just exclude all ofthat and say you know what?
There is no supernatural realm.
They were just old and archaicand they were not as intelligent
as we are now in today's times.
No, I think people doexperience a lot of paranormal
situations, and it's there arepoltergeists, they are real, we
deal with them.

(01:15:31):
They're in.
Poltergeist just means demonsthat harass inside of a home,
and that happens and absolutelydoes those films and stories and
books, though called fiction,could not have been based on
nothing they could not have beenbased on an absolute forfeiture

(01:15:55):
supposition by some author withrampant fantasy?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
right, something must have sparked all of those
stories, something powerful,right?
Last but no least, have youever been scared in your
practice?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
I think initially starting yes, growing into
understanding the true authorityof Christ took a little bit of
time for me in the beginning.
But once I really began to seethe authority of Christ over
these demons and that they hadto submit to that authority and

(01:16:35):
be expelled out of a person, thefear dissipated.
It very quickly went awaybecause you realize that there
is supreme power in theauthority in Christ.
Yeah, and like I said, I can'tsee these things anyhow.
I always laugh at my sightedexorcist.

(01:16:58):
I wouldn't call them colleaguesyeah, tell them all.
You little baby, are you gonnabe afraid I'll tease them like?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
that, yeah, it's interesting.
So, perspective and yes, you,you change your shift, your
perspective, that's it.
It's a powerful thing and somepeople like certain inner
strength to even shift theperception, and it's sad.
And it is sad because, at theend of the day, everything is
difficult.
It's difficult to be passiveand not to take an active stance

(01:17:29):
.
It's difficult to be active anddo something.
And here in Ukraine it's aspecial, especially evident and
actual as it's never been before, and I think it's like that in
a lot of aspects of our life, ina lot of life's multitudes.
Nonetheless, the pleasure ismine.
I'm truly grateful.
We have finally recorded.

(01:17:49):
We have slightly stepped overone hour.
I hope that is not of a problem.
Not at all.
I hope that is not of a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Thank, you very much for having me.
I appreciate you having me onyes, it's been an amazing
episode.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Thank you very much, sir.
I'll be sure to drop it,probably tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Thank you very much, yes you may be demon possessed
and this is the first timeyou're coming to the realization
of it.
If that's you, I'd like toinvite you right now to go to my
website, justindycom, and booka session with me.
Until next time, god bless.