April 14, 2025 • 59 mins
Dr. Lou Cella seemed to have it all—professional success, a doctorate, and national recognition. But behind the achievements was a hidden spiritual battle tied to a 27-generation curse rooted in Italy. In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I interview Lou as we confront a powerful spirit that sabotaged his relationships, fueled isolation, and fed off childhood trauma.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ Why education and success don’t shield you from spiritual warfare
✅ How one generational curse can impact every area of life
✅ What the spirit revealed during live exorcism
✅ How demons use emotional wounds to block connection and love
✅ Why isolation can be a sign of deeper spiritual bondage
The moment the exorcism ended, Lou felt rage and anger leave instantly. For the next 36 hours, he experienced peace, clarity, and joy—and with the isolation finally expelled, he was able to attend church for the first time in decades. His deliverance testimony proves that demons don’t care about credentials—but Jesus Christ still sets people free.
🔥 Learn more about Lou’s football coaching company: TRIPLEOPTIONFOOTBALL.COM
🎥 Watch his YouTube channel: Triple Option Football Academy
📝 Read my blog post inspired by this episode: Deliverance Is for the Desperate, Not Those Who Have All the Answers
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Blind Exorcist.
I am Justin D, your host.
Thank you, my friend, fortuning in yet again.
You and I are now up to episode30.
We've crossed over into the 30s, so we're getting there One
amazing testimony at a time.
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Today I sit down with Lou Cella.
He is a sports performancepsychologist with a doctorate
and, as you can imagine, lou isquite successful, externally
right, he's well put together,has a professional career,
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excelling, very polished on theoutside, however internally
tormented by demons.
And this brings me back to oneof my main points that I often
illustrate on this podcastDemons do not care about your
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degree on this podcast.
Demons do not care about yourdegree, demons do not care about
your education right, anddemons don't care how polished
you are on the outside.
They do not discriminate.
Demons will vex and tormentanybody, even those
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well-polished and put-together,and even strong Christians.
What I love about this episodeis Lou brings the heart of
deliverance to this conversation, which is desperation, and Lou
mentions that deliverance is forthe desperate.
And this is so true.
Desperation is wheredeliverance begins, and this
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really struck me, and so Irecently wrote a blog post
titled Deliverance is for theDesperate, and I'd like to
invite you, my friend, to tap onthat link in the show notes.
Deliverance is for theDesperate.
And I'd like to invite you, myfriend, to tap on that link in
the show notes.
Deliverance is for theDesperate.
Read the blog post and shareyour thoughts with me.
Leave me a comment, let me knowwhat you think about it.
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Like many of you who listen, louhad a traumatic childhood abuse
from the father, lots ofrejection, and this carried on
throughout his entire life,vexed with demons at birth,
further reinforced through thefather's abuse, all backed by a
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generational curse.
So on this episode, I take adeep dive into the generational
curse that was vexing Lou's life, going back 27 generations to
Italy.
So you'll want to tune in andcheck this out.
This is very interesting.
A lot of deliverance ministriesdo not deal with generational
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curse breaking, and it'sessential if you want deep
freedom.
If this interview hits homewith you, do me a favor.
Tap on, support the show in theshow notes.
Any amount helps, seriously.
Any amount helps me.
Continue to bring these amazing, powerful testimonies of
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deliverance to you.
Testimonies of deliverance toyou, and don't forget to hit
that join button or subscribebutton and text this out to
someone that you know needs tohear this episode.
In the show notes I've includeda link to Lou's website and his
YouTube channel.
So if you know any high schoolfootball coaches, get this
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information into their hands.
If you know a wife of a highschool football coach, a friend
of a high school football coach,get this information into their
hands.
I know that they're going tofind it very beneficial.
Lou specializes in working withhigh school football teams,
coaches and players.
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Good stuff.
With all of that out of the way, let's jump in.
Lou.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Thank you for having me Justin.
For those of you who have beenlistening for a long time, the
foundational message that I wantpeople to understand is that
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normal, functional people inlife can have demons.
Type of exorcism or people thathave demons are people who are
severely mentally disabled, likeschizophrenic, or people that
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are homeless, but never somebodythat makes good money, never
somebody that's college educated.
We are above this, and so youguys hear me poke fun at that
arrogancy all the time, becauseevery person, regardless of
socioeconomic status, can havedemons.
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I've always said thatdemonization starts at childhood
and lose dead.
Many people do not get freedgoing through deliverance
ministry because a lot ofdeliverance ministries do not
believe in generational cursesor they have no training on how
to break generational curses.
It's mission critical.
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Also, the inner healing, whichI mentioned in the prior episode
if you've not listened to thatwhere I interviewed leah about
inner healing.
It's essential for you to haveboth exorcism, inner healing and
therapy.
Okay, so lose started in hischildhood and vexed him
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throughout the majority of hislife, so lou, first of, thank
you again for coming on here.
Lou, I'm going to come over toyou and I'd like for you to just
share with us a little bit,because we understand you're a
sports psychologist.
That's a big title, that's abig deal.
I don't care what anybody says,that's cool and that's a big
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deal.
But when we met we talked someabout your childhood, a little
bit about your father, a littlebit about how there was the
abuse there and so forth.
But can you share with theaudience, just so they can
understand that having a littlebit of a rocky childhood is
normal?
Can you tell us a little bitabout what your relationship was
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like with your father and withyour mother?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The funny thing, justin, as I'm sitting here, I'm
looking at a picture of both myparents.
They're directly in front of me, so as I look at them, I see
love.
But I will say the early partof my childhood, the first 10
years, my father certainly didnot fail to spare the rod he
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used to keep a stick above ourrefrigerator and if I was
disobedient I would get hit withthe stick usually the legs, the
behind, the back.
Sometimes it would get a littlemore aggressive than that.
I can remember one time inparticular I was being very
defiant, but my father had ahorrible spirit of rage when he
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was younger and it was downrightscary and my mother to this day
still doesn't really talk aboutit.
But as the years went on, myfather got a lot better and I
made a lot better and he passedaway in 2013.
But really I wouldn't wantanother kid to go through that
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and fortunately my nieces andnephews never had to go through
that with my brother.
My brother didn't believe indoing that to raise the children
and as far as my mother goes,mother is a.
She was wonderful to me, stillis wonderful to me.
She just texted me, I think,just as the podcast started.
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So I have a very closerelationship with my mother.
My mother definitely protectedme those early years, though it
was scary, but I can say nowlike I've forgiven him.
The one thing I've learned,justin, about if you want to
have as few demons as possible,you have to forgive everybody
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who has ever harmed you orwronged you.
And often and Derek Prince saidthis, he said that often means
the people closest to you themost are the ones you have to
forgive.
And years ago I called LakeHamilton Bible Camp, who's been
known for years for bringing indeliverance ministry preachers
like Wynne Worley and John Gogin, who I've gotten to know really
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well, and a host of others.
And I called them a couple ofyears ago and I asked, I said
what's the number one key to notgetting demons or getting rid
of them?
And they said that if you wantto have demons, don't forgive
people.
If you want to get rid of themor not get them, you got to
forgive.
You got to forgive everybodyand you got to do it with
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authority and it's hard, but yougot to forgive.
You've got to forgive everybodyand you've got to do it with
authority and it's hard, butyou've got to forgive, forgive
and I have long forgiven myfather and, listen, I've had to
forgive my mother and, mostimportantly, I've had to forgive
myself for a lot of things tooin life.
But that's the thing I'velearned.
So I don't look at my father asthis heinous guy.
I look at him as someone whosuffered from the spirit of rage
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and as time went on he calmeddown and turned out to be a
pretty pretty good father.
So that's what I can say aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I think you bring out some really good points here,
lou.
First of all, for the listenersI talk on here all the time
that it starts in childhood andmaybe I paint a picture that
it's always horrendously bad,like incest and rape and smashed
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up against walls by fathers andthese sorts of things, and
certainly that type of childhoodhappens with many people
neglect, abandonment and allthese sorts of things.
Proudhood happens with manypeople neglect, abandonment and
all these sorts of things.
But I think what Lou shared ispretty common for a lot of
adults who listen.
You had a mother and father Now, not everybody.
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So this is specifically topeople who had a mother and
father in the home.
And maybe your home life wasbad, but not like the worst case
scenario and this is what Lou'ssharing.
His father was abusive.
Back in the day you got a roddown, you spanked a kid and he
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got it on the back, the butt,the legs and his father
eventually worked through therage.
The mother was nurturing andsupportive and protective of Lou
.
But I think people need tounderstand that when they listen
to these episodes that I'm notsaying that you have to have an
extreme, terrible childhood tohave demons.
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Most people are born withdemons out of the womb because
the parents have never brokengenerational curses and so
certainly in Lou's case, becauseof the abuse there were some
things that entered theirgenerational curses.
We're going to get into that ina little bit the abuse from the
father.
There's going to be rejectionthere from that Unforgiveness
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like he was speaking about.
And I agree a hundred percentFact If you don't forgive, you
got demons.
They love unforgiveness.
In fact I heard a friend ofmine tell me one time refuse to
be offended and that's how youkeep Satan away and demons
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Refuse to be offended.
I refuse that.
Offense Satan.
I don't care what they said,what they did, I refuse that.
That's how you protect yourselffrom getting unforgiveness to
come in.
But unforgiveness is key whenmany of you listening right now
have probably some level ofunforgiveness toward people and
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maybe you're unwilling to givethat up.
But my encouragement to you isforgive.
I have people say during sessionthey might say I can't forgive
my father, I can't forgive myex-husband, I can't forgive my
ex-wife.
I'll have them say I forgive.
In this example, I forgive myex-husband to the best of my
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ability, or I forgive my motherto the best of my ability.
So start with that and openyour heart to Jesus Christ.
This is so important.
Forgiveness.
I'm so glad, lou, that youbrought this up.
It's foundational, and when wework with people in session, we
always start with unforgiveness.
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We always start withunforgiveness.
Demons hide behind thatharbored resentment, that
harbored hatred, that harboredanger.
They just love it and feed offof it.
So, lou, you work through yourchildhood and you get into your
teenage years and eventually youstart university.
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What was your undergraduatedegree in?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So I received an associate degree in education,
and then I went to my four-yearschool East Stroudsburg
University and my degree was insecondary education English, and
then I became a teacher in 2000.
And then I'm going to radicallysummarize the long story.
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I became a school librarian bysimply passing a test, which you
could do on the Commonwealth ofPennsylvania, for library
subject area.
So I did that and I got mymaster's in school library and
information technologies in 2009.
And then, after a myriad ofevents, including a heart attack
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in August of 2009, I decided Iwanted more out of life and I
did not want to teach foreverand work in schools forever.
By the grace of God, he and aformer friend of mine started a
business that eventually tookoff, and by the time I got to
2011, I ended up making moremoney doing that than I did in
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education, and I retired fromteaching on July 1st 2011.
It was one of the happiest daysof my life.
A couple months before that, Ihad started my doctorate in
sport performance psychology.
Basically, I did it because myplan B was to do the business
and then to end up teachingcollege courses on the side.
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That was the original plan B,and in 2015,.
I got my doctorate in sport andperformance psychology, so I
asked for my doctorate's end.
So I work as a sport andperformance psychologist, but
really all it is.
It's the same business I'vealways run.
I became sole proprietor in2013.
My business partner decided togo back into education and
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that's what I do right now.
I really don't need a doctorateto do it, but I got one and it
has helped me think definitelyat a more elite level because of
the research I was able to doand the specific things I
learned in my doctorate.
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So I am grateful for that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So in a day and life of a sports psychologist, what
does your day look like?
What does a sports psychologistdo?
There's people listening whohave no understanding of what
that even is or what you do.
So can you talk to us a littlebit about what is a sports
psychologist, what are yourroles and what do you do for
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work?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
On a normal day, I spend my day doing content
marketing, which is I makeYouTube videos.
I post YouTube videos onYouTube onto my website,
tripleoptionfootballcom, and itgoes on to various social media
channels.
I do that along with I do asports psychology post that goes
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basically in the same manner.
So that's the content marketing.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I do.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I work pretty much predominantly with football
content marketing.
I do.
I work pretty muchpredominantly with football, so
I'm always looking for theaccurate email addresses and
social media feeds of head highschool football coaches.
What I get to do when I get aclient is I run a three-day
football camp at their highschool with the coaches and the
players and I teach them how torun the Army Air Force triple
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option offense.
And I do online education forcoaches where I teach them how
to play, call, install andpractice Army and Air Force's
offense, and I've been doingthat the last 15 years, so it's
a specialized niche.
People generally hire me basedon my testimonials I've had.
I've been blessed, by the graceof God to have really
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successful clients.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So a lot of marketing .
And when you hook up withsomebody, then you go meet with
them for three days of training.
And when you're there for thosethree days, what are you doing
there, Lou?
Are you like teaching them howto run plays?
Are you teaching them thoughtprocesses on how to
psychologically prepare forwinning?
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How does that look?
So what?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I do is, if it's a AMP client, they get the online
academy first, which is I'mgoing to teach them how to play,
call, install and practice thearmy, air force current core
triple option offense the rightway the first time.
So by the time I get out there,what I do is I have their
players run 720 plays in underseven hours, so we break that
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down over three days.
I think too many times we focuson the wrong things, where we
have to focus on the mostimportant thing and go from
there, which ultimately is whatJesus says and what Jesus does.
And if you ever look at BibleGateway, it is a website that
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obviously focuses on all aspectsof the Bible.
But if you ever check out thetop 100 verses that people read
at Bible Gateway, study that andyou'll find that people are
really drawn to what Jesus saysand what Jesus does and you can
build from there.
Now, the reason I'm going onthat tangent Justin is because
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I'm driving a point across toall the listeners here when it
comes to helping people, you'vegot to know what's the most
important thing and really, ifyou could just focus on one
thing, you're going to make alot of progress with people in
all aspects of life and beyond.
And that's what I try to do isgive people a real mission, like
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the Great Commission in Matthew28, 18-20,.
That's the mission of whatwe're supposed to do Go make
disciples of all nations,baptize them in the name of the
Father, son and the Holy Spirit,and to obey everything the Lord
Jesus commanded us, and he'llbe with us always, at the very
end of the age.
You have to give people amission and you've got to beat
them with that missionmetaphorically of course, until
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they can think with their feetand they can't get it wrong.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You had demons, and when did you first come to the
realization that I have demons?
How did you recognize thatwithin yourself?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I had a friend.
I had a friend who's deceasednow and I knew he had demons and
I kind of knew in the 90s therewas something really wrong
there, because I could watch hisface get torched and I knew
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there were issues there and Iwatched the demons just grow and
grow in him to the point whereone day he drank a lot of
alcohol and downed it with 20Vicodin and his heart blew up.
So I could see that he wasdemonically possessed and it was
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bad.
Look, and I'm going to say thisand people can fight me on this
, I don't care, everybody's gotdemons.
The goal is to have as few aspossible.
If you're breathing, you gotthem.
You got them Because there'sjust endless ways for them to
get in.
The goal is to have as few aspossible.
That's what I'm fighting forevery day and that's what
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everybody needs to fight forevery day.
It's the same thing with sin.
God won't let you be perfect,but he will let you fight to get
close and we should be workingevery day to sin less.
Lord Jesus' standards are goingto sin, no more, obviously.
That's the goal is you sin aslittle as possible.
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But when it comes to demons, ifyou're breathing.
You got them.
The goal is to get the big onesout and to get as much of it
out as possible, and that's whyDeliverance Ministry is the most
underrated ministry out thereby far.
No questions asked.
People are scared to talk aboutit because people are just so
distant from it, and I've seendeliverance ministries.
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I've watched so many mightymiracles and I know Justin has
as well, and he's been a bigpart of them.
So, as far as my demons go, Iknew stuff was wrong when I was
a kid but you can't quite knowexactly what it is.
When I knew for sure there werethings that were really wrong.
I would say in my walk withChrist.
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I would say probably sometimein the 2010s, but I would say
during COVID and I'll say thisreal quick During COVID and with
the political unrest in thiscountry, I will never forget
this I was driving and I stoppedat a stoplight and I was
thinking about what's going onin this world, like COVID,
political unrest.
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This is crazy.
And God actually spoke to meOne of the very, very few times
I can remember God speaking tome this transparently.
And he said Lou, this isspiritual warfare.
And he said this is basicallynot about humans.
This is more than that.
So don't judge the people bythe people.
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It's by the demons they possess, and he said that to me.
Now there might be some wordsout of place there forgiving
father, if it's not exactly thatbut spiritual warfare was
transparent.
So for the last five years I'vebeen on a rampage, trying to
figure out myself first, andthen other people to try to help
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them, and that's what led me toso many ministries like Dr Bob
Larson, wynne, worley, derekGrintz Although I knew of Derek
Prince for years before WhirlyDerek Grins, although I knew of
Derek Prince for years beforeJohn Gogan, who I've gotten to
meet several times.
He has a church in the BuffaloNew York area.
He does really good deliveranceministry and there have been
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others Vlad I can't pronounceVlad's last name, it's Russian,
but yeah, it's just somepowerful ministry.
But I really started focusingthe last five years.
I knew stuff was wrong with mewhen I was a kid, Like I just
knew it.
Like demons are persons withoutbodies.
That's what they are and justmultiply if you don't take care
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of it.
So I made a choice that I needto take care of it.
Deliverance is for thedesperate.
You've got to be desperate ifyou want deliverance.
So, believe me, I got hopeful,I got desperate and I got
delivered.
And I got a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
All excellent points, lou, I think what stuck out to
me in what you were sharing isthat you really began to
research and dive in.
You started consuming materials, books, deliverance ministries
and learning because you wantedto improve.
Right, you wanted to improve,and I think that's important.
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And that would be my questionfor everyone listening, my
friend do you want to improve?
I just talked about this in thelast episode with Leah.
It astounds me how many peopledo not want to improve.
They just want to stay stuck inlife, stuck in misery, stuck
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with their demons, stuck intheir dysfunction, and this is
the way they want to live untilthey draw their last breath and
fall over dead.
And I can't understand that.
I get it, because it's hard tochange and there are people on
personality types that havegreat difficulty with change and
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they like normalcy.
Even if that normalcy is demonsand torment and sleepless
nights, at least it's somethingnormal.
I get it.
But on the same hand, wouldn'tyou want to improve?
Wouldn't you want to have abetter night's sleep?
Wouldn't you want to have peacein your mind, peace in your
life, getting rid of the demons?
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Lou said it no matter what,everybody's got demons, and
listen, I think it's right.
I was speaking with an exorcistfriend of mine a couple months
back.
He said, justin, the onlyreason people come to us is
because they can't live withtheir demons anymore.
But a lot of people live withtheir demons till the day they
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die because they're not inenough pain from them to come
for help.
And I thought, wow.
I said, dude, I don't get that,because I wanted them out.
I was so sick of the torment.
And you guys, if you've notheard my story Overcoming the
Darkness in episode one, I hadsevere paranormal phenomena all
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through my childhood, teenageyears, young adult years,
tormented relentlessly by thesedemons, and I'm like I'm getting
rid of these things.
And so I did.
So.
I think what you shared, lou,is it's extremely valid.
People have demons and it's amatter of getting rid of the big
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ones.
It's a matter of minimizing theamount of demons you have so
you could be more effective forthe kingdom of God.
This gets back to what I wasspeaking to in the prior episode
.
You have a kingdom purpose anddemons are like this If I put a
backpack on your back and I puta thousand pounds in that
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backpack, okay, and I said, nowjust go through life with that
thousand pounds on your back.
So you're walking straight intothe car and you fall in the car
and then you start the car upand you drive and you go to
church and you pull in oh Lord,I'm so happy I'm here.
But then you go to get out ofthe car and you're straining a
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thousand pounds and you walk inand you're like I got a smile.
So you got this tormented,straining smile on your face.
Hey, I got the victory.
Then you go for an exorcism whenyou say, okay, we're going to
take some of these weights offof your back.
So instead of doing a thousandpounds now, after your first
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exorcism session, you're down to800.
Now come on back becausethere's more we can do.
So then you come back, we take800 down to 500.
And now you're really startingto feel the freedom.
But you know it's still we cando.
So then you come back, we take800 down to 500.
And now you're really startingto feel the freedom.
But you know it's still alittle heavy.
It's still a little heavy.
You get out of the car, you canwalk in, but you feel a little
bit in your lower back, you feela little bit in your ankles.
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500 pounds is still a lot.
You're like man, I got to goback for a little bit more.
You come back, you go throughanother exorcism session.
Bam, now we're down to 300.
You get my point.
This is how exorcism is.
Get rid of those weights, myfriend.
Goodness, gracious, lighten theload.
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I hate demons and I hate thedemons that were in me.
I hate demons so bad, oh, theyinfuriate me.
I absolutely despise them andhate them.
Filthy, unclean, tormenting.
Episode one I told you theytackle me out of the bed and I'd
wrestle them.
I'm not even making this up Now.
Most people hearing this wouldsay he's crazy, blah, blah, blah
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, no, bro, like severeparanormal stuff.
And I went to Dr Larson.
He was the only one who couldhelp me and that's why I became
an exorcist.
I'm like I don't want anybodyto experience this, but my
hatred toward demons runsextremely deep, extremely deep.
I can remember when I'd havesleep paralysis.
I would be straining to get outof it and I would be saying to
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them in my mind, because they'dparalyzed me where I couldn't
open my mouth, and I'd say youare going down, you are going
down, and I would call out toJesus Christ and I was so like
if I could physically roundhouse, kick them throat, chop them, I
would do it.
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Oh, they infuriate me.
They have legal rights to be inour souls, our emotions, how we
feel, our thoughts, how wethink.
But at the end of the day,they're just legal rights and
they're punks and they'retrespassing.
As long as we break those legalrights, we can get them out
trespassing.
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As long as we break those legalrights, we can get them out.
This is great.
I hope you guys are gettingsomething out of this.
Take that backpack off, go forsome sessions.
I told you guys I go one or twotimes a year for exorcism
sessions.
Just because I'm an exorcist,don't think that I'm 100% clean.
I know when I first wentthrough all my exorcism sessions
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for 14 months, I'm like, yeah,man, I'm free, I thought I was
free, and then a little whilelater and have a little demonic,
paranormal stuff happen.
I go back where I just begetting tormented and I'm like
demons don't have a legal right.
There's something in me that Idon't know what it is.
Christians don't have a legalright.
There's something in me that Idon't know what it is Like.
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There comes a point indeliverance ministry where
you've told everything you couldtell.
There's nothing hidden andyou're still being tormented.
There's an open door that youdon't know what it is and
oftentimes that's generationalcurses.
So I'll go back to Larson.
When I'm being tormented, I'llbe like and I document it A, b,
c and D these are the fourthings I'm experiencing and I'm
coming to you, dr Larson, forinterrogation because I don't
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know what's causing it.
You don't know what's causingit and the demons do.
So let's get him up andinterrogate him and then I just
go neutral.
He does his thing.
He gets them up, he finds outwhat it is.
We renounce it.
He expels them.
Game over, done and that's it.
That's it.
It's not hard and that's what Iwould love for each of you to do
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is to get freed, get thosedemons out and then get the
inner healing Got to deal withthe trauma.
Every client that I work with,90% have never went for
counseling, have never went forcounseling, and it's essential
because Dr Larson mentioned tome one time this really stuck
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with me that if someone goesthrough a traumatic experience
and they go through counselingand go through therapy in a
healthy fashion, they normallydon't get demons.
But if someone goes through atraumatic experience and they
don't go for counseling andtherapy, they almost always get
demons, and it makes sensebecause they have a gaping wound
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and they can't heal itthemselves.
So what are they going to do?
Become resentful and anger andunforgiveness.
So demons get in.
They're just going to do drugs,demons get in, and so forth.
Right, you're going to try toself-soothe yourself in some way
, and therapy is the best.
Just some random thoughts toshare with you guys about this
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whole thing.
What really sparked this,though, lou, is you're like it's
a matter of getting rid of themas many as you can to minimize
their impact in your life.
And it gets to a point whereyou get rid of them enough where
you can be really effective forthe kingdom of God Really
effective Because you becomemuch less self-absorbed the more
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demons that you get expelledout of you.
Demons love for us to benarcissistic.
They love to keep making youthink of yourself and drive you
into isolation.
They love to just make you benarcissistic and self-pity and
self-absorbed.
Demons love that, and it's easyfor them, it's not hard.
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I've suffered that, all of ushave suffered this.
Where we're self-absorbed andwe're woe is me.
We're in isolation and there'sdemonic influence behind it.
Keep that in mind.
So, Lou, you came to us and me,you and Tom.
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That's another exorcist that Iwork with.
Tom's awesome.
I had him on here and histestimony is Tom and Margaret
Painter.
You can listen to his testimony.
He's a certified exorcist aswell.
He's great.
So Tom and I meet with Lou andit wasn't any time.
We let him through somerenouncements, some forgiveness,
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and it wasn't any time to wherewe got a demon up and the first
spirit that came up in his soul, his emotions, how he feels,
his thoughts, how he thinks, wasJezebel, jezebel, jezebel.
I get so sick of that spiritcoming up in everyone.
It's just all over the place.
But Jezebel came up and it wentback to a generational curse in
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Italy.
Lou is nearly 100% Italian, sohis father's Italian, his
mother's Italian, he did the DNAtesting.
It was like, so Italian.
And this generational cursewent back to Italy 27
generations.
Back then was human sacrificefor power, money, greed, there
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was orgies involved in theceremony, very sexual.
So we broke that curse.
He renounced it and we expelledthe demons and Lou.
During that time when it came up, when Jezebel came up in you,
you were a little bit shockedafter that because you had not
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experienced anything like that.
And this was the real deal,like this was an exorcism.
And hey, jesus talked to demonsall the time.
All this stuff out there, don'ttalk to demons, no, no, no, no.
Jesus talked to demons.
He asked the man in the tombs.
He told Legion.
He said come out.
Legion didn't come out.
Then he said what's your name?
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And he said Legion.
I mean this is instruction.
So Jesus says come out, legiondoesn't leave.
And then he says what's yourname?
And he says Legion.
So he's talking to them spirits.
Anyhow, lou, going through thissituation, when this is over,
what were your thoughts whenthis was finished?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Justin, the first thing is you're trying to
process everything that happened.
I don't know if I can remembereverything that happened and I
know every exorcism is different, so, like every deliverance is
different.
Some people remember it, somepeople don't.
I remember a lot of it.
I don't know if I remember itall, but you're trying to
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process it.
You're trying to think did thatreally happen?
Is this real?
Are they really out?
Now you watch videos of peopleand they, oh, I feel lighter.
I feel lighter.
I don't know if I felt lighter.
I wasn't really sure how I felt.
I can tell you that.
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You, the one thing I can say isthe first 36 hours I felt very
different than I felt in a longtime.
The first 36 hours you'redifferent, and it was good that
you were.
I was at peace.
I was less angry, much lessangry, less rage, less.
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Yeah, I just will go with angerand rage for sure.
But you're trying to think okay, what do I do now?
You know how do I be a good boynow and you're trying to figure
out, like this is a new you.
But I'm going to tell yousomething and those of you
listening, I'm going to say thisIf you think you're going to
fix yourself in one session.
You're not going to fixyourself in one session.
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I'm humble enough to know thatthere is a long way to go, and
Justin said it earlier about yougo from a thousand to 800 to
500 pounds, however, that youwant to use it metaphorically,
and that is exactly how I feelright now.
There's stuff gone for me and Ithink the big stuff is gone.
There's stuff gone for me and Ithink the big stuff is gone,
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but I know there's stuff goingon with me.
There's still torment going onand I'll say this I can't wait
until my next delivered session,like I can't wait for it, like
I want to do it now, causethere's stuff I want out of me.
Now there's more.
The big ones are gone,jezebel's gone, maven is gone,
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Rejection is gone, but there'sstuff still in me and there's a
next level to all this and yousee this sometimes in Dr
Larson's sessions.
He has people that come back tohim.
So I can't wait for my nextsession, like I'm excited about
it.
Whatever that might be, I woulddo it today if I could so
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understand.
The goal of your first sessionis to get the big ones out, but
you're not always going to getthem, because there's ones that
hide really well and you don'tknow what happened to the
interim either and there's asystem that Dr Larson has of
prayer so you can keep yourdeliverance and I recommend that
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with everyone, and I've hadother deliverance ministers tell
me that in the past.
But I'm strictly following whatDr Larson is doing right now
because I've never seen anybodydo more than with any type of
ministry than Dr Bob Larson, andall I can say is the first
session is going to help get thebig ones out and listen.
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I've seen sessions wheresometimes they hide well enough
that you don't even get thebiggest one out.
But you've got to be persistent.
Deliverance is for the desperate.
You've got to get to a humble,desperate place and you've got
to be persistent.
Deliverance is for thedesperate.
You got to get to a humble,desperate place and you got to
want it out and, like Justinsaid, you got to hate them.
It's a sin to not hate thedevil.
Hate the devil, hate the demons, because they're the ones
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holding you back.
So how I feel right now isbetter, but I got a long way to
go and I can't wait for my nextsession.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I just want to mention that you know I talk
about me going through 14 monthsof exorcism sessions.
Lou is talking about you knowhim needing multiple exorcism
sessions.
I don't want you to think thatevery single person requires a
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long, deep, intense healingjourney.
That's just not the case.
It really depends on your age,what's been done to you in life
and the things you've beeninvolved with in life.
That's what's really going todetermine how many sessions you
may require.
So if you go to my website,justindeedcom, click on
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appointment, you'll see severalpackages there that you can read
over, and I would encourage youto compare them and, if you're
serious about going throughdeliverance, pick a package that
works for you and let's startworking together.
Going back, though, to thisgenerational curse Jezebel was
definitely in the mix here, Onething that was in this ancestral
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generational curse.
They were leveraging the powerof that curse to vex Lou, and
one way that Jezebel vexed himwas through isolation, and it's
very interesting how she didthis.
She said that she would allowLou to get close to women, but
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then pull him back, so it waslike she would use a carrot and
dangle it in front of him and hewould be walking toward that
carrot and as soon as he wouldget close enough to bond with a
girl, boom, she'd pull thecarrot away because Jezebel said
he's mine, he'll never findlove, I'm never going to let him
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find somebody.
And this is what she would do.
And she thought it was funnydangle that carrot out, torment
this man.
Imagine this Lou is gettingclose to a woman and then, for
some unknown reason, bam, itdoesn't work out.
And after that happens so much,people tend to give up and then
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they go into isolation.
And then Jezebel is laughingand loving it because in her
mind, you're hers.
I made it very clear through theauthority of Christ to Jezebel
that Lou was not her propertyand that she was going to let go
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of him and she was going torelease his relationships, his
future marriage, his anointing,his spiritual giftings, and she
was going to bind isolation toher.
And when she goes, it goes.
This was huge.
This was a big area of tormentfor Lou and maybe it is for you
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as well.
Meant for Lou, and maybe it isfor you as well.
Do you have issues wanting tobe loved and connecting with
somebody?
But it never just seems to workout, no matter what, that can
happen for many reasonsemotional, psychological, trauma
that's never been resolved, ordemons.
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I wanted to share that with youguys because I think some of
you are experiencing this andone of the biggest breakthroughs
for Lou was this isolation thatwas kicked out and, lou, you
were very taken back but alsoexcited that this isolation has
been removed.
(43:43):
Tell us a little bit of how youfeel now with regards to this
whole isolation thing that hadbeen removed.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
All right.
So here's the thing when itcomes to isolation.
For 20 years I accepted Christas Lord and Savior and I was
always looking for the perfectchurch and I would not commit to
going to a church because I'dfind a reason not to, and a lot
of it was yeah, I just likebeing by myself and that's what
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I do and that's really how it'sbeen.
But one thing throughdeliverance that I discussed
with Justin and Tom was you needto go to a church now.
You need to just pick one andgo now.
I, within, I would say, 48hours, I'm like all right where
am?
I going to go this weekend and Ijust looked at highest ranked
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churches in my area so I decidedto go there and it was a great
experience and I plan to go backagain.
Actually, we're having a Biblestudy tonight.
I don't know if I'm going to goit's been a pretty busy day but
I might and it was the righttime to get involved with the
church.
There's a lot of things rightnow that have led me to
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prioritize this and to almostforce this upon myself, but in a
good way.
So that was one thing aboutbreaking the spirit of isolation
.
I never really looked atisolation too much as a problem.
I do think I know it is thebiggest thing that had bothered
me with the Jezebel spirit.
Women yeah, and I don't saythis with any level of pride,
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but I've had my share of women,but it's been just odd, I didn't
even say odd.
And then typical Americansociety it's probably not odd,
but it's been.
I'm 47 and single, so I've neverbeen married.
I was engaged once I knew, 48hours after I got engaged.
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There's no way I'm doing this.
There's a lot of thoughts there.
But the other thing is I'velived my whole life with
compulsive overeating.
The women thing is one thing,the isolation thing is another,
the compulsive overeating wasanother.
But I'm going to tell you thatElizabeth and Mammon attack your
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health and your finances.
Dr Larson says that and whathappens is for me.
Since COVID I've had a definitedrop in business and it has
bothered me like nothing elseHeck with women, heck with
anything else.
That's been on my mind morethan anything else, anything
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else that's been on my mind morethan anything else and there's
almost this feeling like I lackthe online presence that I once
had.
That's been the toughest thingI've dealt with through all this
, especially the last five years.
But if we want to talk aboutpurely the spirit of isolation,
yeah, the first thing is go tochurch, be around other
Christians and really just.
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There is no perfect church.
There are no perfect people.
You go to one and listen.
If a church preaches about sinand about hell, you're in the
right church.
Justin said it earlier, becausethe whole purpose of going to
church is to keep you out ofhell and basically the only way
you're going to learn aboutheaven is you got to learn how
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not to go to hell, that LordJesus Christ crucified, died,
buried, rose again and thatyou're saved by grace through
faith.
That it's not from you, it'sGod's gift, that there's no work
that you could do to get you toheaven and that the only
sacrifice that matters isnothing that you did.
It's what Lord Jesus did on thecross.
You're going to heaven, but youneed to hear that from other
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people as well.
That's how I'm starting tobreak.
The spirit of isolation isgoing to church, sitting there
with other believers and goingfrom there.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
That's awesome, Lou.
This is essential to walk infreedom after deliverance.
Being plugged into a localchurch.
It doesn't matter thedenomination, as long as they
teach salvation and teach aboutthe fundamental beliefs, the
Trinity, God, the Father, God,the Son, God, the Holy Spirit,
that there's a real hell wherepeople actually burn and gnash
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their teeth like corefoundational doctrine of the
Christian faith.
We're all sinners, broken.
We need salvation through theblood of Christ, these sorts of
things.
As long as they have that coredoctrine, it doesn't matter the
church where you go and peopleare messy Working in a church.
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People are messy, they'rebroken people, we're all broken,
but we unify on Jesus Christ.
We overlook Paul talks all thetime about having grace with
people and forgiving people andbeing patient with people, and
so it's essential to be pluggedinto a church reading your Bible
daily.
These are just the basics ofChristianity and we're not doing
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it out of religious tasks.
I must go to church and sitthere for two hours.
I must read my Bible for 15minutes a day.
I must, I must.
No, that's not it at all.
We're going to church becausewe love Jesus Christ and we love
people and we want to connectwith them.
We read our Bible because welove Jesus and we want to
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connect with him.
This isn't about religious acts.
This is about falling in lovewith Jesus Christ, and so it's
interesting to me that it's a50-50 chance.
When I work with clients and Iask them do you attend church
regularly?
Oftentimes they say no, and Iknow I should.
I'll ask them do you read yourBible daily?
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And they'll say no, but I knowI should.
And they're sitting across fromme wanting an exorcism.
I'm telling them look, you gotto do this or the demons will
come back.
You have to fill up the house,your mind, your soul, with the
word of God Christian fellowship, spiritual covering.
When you go to church and you'reunder a pastor a pastor who's
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compassionate and loving andsupportive, not a pastor with a
Jezebel spirit that'scontrolling, bossy, manipulative
.
If you leave this church, badthings are going to happen.
That type of Jezebel spirit, oreverything in this church, is
here.
You don't need anywhere elsethat type of Jezebel control,
you don't need that.
But someone that sincerely hascompassion and love and cares
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for you, that's a good pastor,right.
But connecting with a church,being under a pastor, protects
you spiritually because you comeunder leadership, you come
under authority, You're humblingyourself and you're lining up
with how God orchestrated thebody of Christ to be.
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They're supposed to be leaders.
Satan loves when we don'tsubmit to leadership, because
it's pride and that's why it waskicked out of heaven.
And oftentimes people don't goto church because they don't
want to submit to anybody, evenpastors.
And when I say submit, I don'tmean to someone that's a tyrant
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and controlling and abusive,because there's been a lot of
people who's been spirituallyabused by pastors.
I'm talking about going to ahealthy, quote-unquote healthy
church with a pastor who'ssemi-emotionally stable,
compassionate, thoughtful andteaches the solid Bible teaches
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about.
That's what you want as aChristian.
Plugging into that.
And so Lou is in this journeynow of he understands that
there's going to be more comingto get rid of.
He's went from 800 pounds downto 500.
And listen to his passion.
He's excited to get rid of thenext ones.
He's absolutely excited as soonas he can do it.
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He wants to do it because he'sdesperate.
He wants these things out, hewants to be healed, he wants to
be whole.
So now he's even plugged intochurch.
He said it.
He hadn't been in churches.
None of them were good enough.
That is another attribute ofJezebel Criticism Always picking
apart the pastor, Alwayspicking apart leadership,
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Picking apart deacons, Pickingapart everything in the church.
If you find yourself doing that, you probably need deliverance.
Gossiping all the time.
Jezebel loves to gossip.
She's the gossiper in thechurch.
Well, listen, I want to talk toyou for a minute.
I'm really not judging here,but I've seen Joe the elder blah
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, blah, blah.
Oh really, yeah, that's Jezebel.
Brings division to the church,always going against the
leadership of the church.
Watch when people talk, Seewhat they say about leadership.
Pay attention to that.
I tell you what that pastor.
I don't understand why he makesthat much money.
Hello, Jezebel, I don'tunderstand why blah, blah, blah.
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So all of this gossipy stuff isJezebelic behavior, something
to be aware of.
So we have shared a lot today.
I think I'm going to wrap it up.
Thank you for tuning in, Lou.
I'm going to come to you.
I always ask my guests at theend of every episode to leave a
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word of encouragement.
You know, to share from yourheart with people.
Why should they get an exorcism?
You know there's a lot ofpeople that listen and they're
just not convinced that theyneed one.
Some people are afraid to getone because they think of
Hollywood with the Exorcistmovie and all of that.
And then other people are just,you know, prideful.
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They don't want to humblethemselves, they don't want to
come and get help.
I understand all of thesepeople and all of these
different reasons, and JesusChrist is merciful and full of
compassion and patience.
Oh, thank you, Jesus, forpatience, Because I was there
too.
I was there too.
There were times in my lifewhere I wasn't going to come to
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the Lord for help, but I did andhe was merciful and he freed me
and he can do that for you too,friend.
So, Lou, coming over to you, goahead, share some thoughts with
the audience here as why theyshould get an exorcism and just
encourage them and share somelove with them.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Okay, when Jesus started his ministry after he
told Satan basically, you mustworship the Lord, your God, and
only serve him, and then thedevil fleed from him.
Satan fleed from him.
A couple lines after that, inMatthew 4, 17 and Mark 1, 15,
it's a parallel verse whereJesus said repent and believe in
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the gospel, which is also knownas the good news, depending on
the translation of it.
It also says repent, and youknow, the kingdom of heaven is
near.
So the point of this is repentis the key operative word to
start the process.
And what repentance is?
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You've got to change the wayyou think and act about Jesus
Christ, and his ministryinvolved getting rid of demons
and unclean spirits out of humanbeings.
So you've got to change the wayyou think and act about that,
and it's a choice you make andit will happen through your
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desperation.
You've got to be desperate toget delivered and when you get
to that level, you need somebodyto help you.
One thing I learned aboutdeliverance I learned this from
Pastor John Gogan, and he'sright outside of Buffalo, new
York Agape Fellowship Church,which is in East Aurora, new
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York.
He told me he goes.
If you think you can cast thedemons out yourself.
He goes.
It takes endless work or youcould just have a deliverance
minister help you cast it out.
And really you've got to changethe way you think and act about
it.
The DWJD ministry, which wasJustin's part, which is Dr Bob
(56:01):
Lawrence's ministry it's themost effective ministry I have
seen ever, Because they getpeople great and people will
discredit it, discount it.
They can't believe it's realand there's other passes that do
it too.
But it's real.
I lived through it.
I went through deliverance.
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I saw the fog come over.
I saw words come out of mymouth that I didn't, I couldn't
understand what I was saying,but they were happening.
And the good thing is you got toget to the point where you just
don't care anymore.
Derek Prince once said you haveto be willing to look silly for
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a couple minutes to get thatfreedom for the rest of your
life.
And it's worth it, because whenthat comes out of you you feel
different.
I feel different than I did aweek ago.
I really do, but I got a longway to go and I'm going to need
another session and anothersession.
So biggest thing to take awayis change the way you think and
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act about Lord Jesus Christ,because, guess what?
He cast out demons and he wantsyou to cast out demons and he
wants demons cast out of you.
So accept that fact, becauseit's fact, because it's in God's
word and it's in the gospel.
And when you're sick of it,it's time to go find a
deliverance minister like Justinor the great top painter, and
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get it out of you.
That's what I want to leavewith you today.
Welcome back to the Blind Exorcist.
I am Justin D, your host.
Thank you, my friend, fortuning in yet again.
You and I are now up to episode30.
We've crossed over into the 30s, so we're getting there One
amazing testimony at a time.
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Today I sit down with Lou Cella.
He is a sports performancepsychologist with a doctorate
and, as you can imagine, lou isquite successful, externally
right, he's well put together,has a professional career,
(00:44):
excelling, very polished on theoutside, however internally
tormented by demons.
And this brings me back to oneof my main points that I often
illustrate on this podcastDemons do not care about your
(01:04):
degree on this podcast.
Demons do not care about yourdegree, demons do not care about
your education right, anddemons don't care how polished
you are on the outside.
They do not discriminate.
Demons will vex and tormentanybody, even those
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well-polished and put-together,and even strong Christians.
What I love about this episodeis Lou brings the heart of
deliverance to this conversation, which is desperation, and Lou
mentions that deliverance is forthe desperate.
And this is so true.
Desperation is wheredeliverance begins, and this
(01:52):
really struck me, and so Irecently wrote a blog post
titled Deliverance is for theDesperate, and I'd like to
invite you, my friend, to tap onthat link in the show notes.
Deliverance is for theDesperate.
And I'd like to invite you, myfriend, to tap on that link in
the show notes.
Deliverance is for theDesperate.
Read the blog post and shareyour thoughts with me.
Leave me a comment, let me knowwhat you think about it.
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Like many of you who listen, louhad a traumatic childhood abuse
from the father, lots ofrejection, and this carried on
throughout his entire life,vexed with demons at birth,
further reinforced through thefather's abuse, all backed by a
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generational curse.
So on this episode, I take adeep dive into the generational
curse that was vexing Lou's life, going back 27 generations to
Italy.
So you'll want to tune in andcheck this out.
This is very interesting.
A lot of deliverance ministriesdo not deal with generational
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curse breaking, and it'sessential if you want deep
freedom.
If this interview hits homewith you, do me a favor.
Tap on, support the show in theshow notes.
Any amount helps, seriously.
Any amount helps me.
Continue to bring these amazing, powerful testimonies of
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deliverance to you.
Testimonies of deliverance toyou, and don't forget to hit
that join button or subscribebutton and text this out to
someone that you know needs tohear this episode.
In the show notes I've includeda link to Lou's website and his
YouTube channel.
So if you know any high schoolfootball coaches, get this
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information into their hands.
If you know a wife of a highschool football coach, a friend
of a high school football coach,get this information into their
hands.
I know that they're going tofind it very beneficial.
Lou specializes in working withhigh school football teams,
coaches and players.
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Good stuff.
With all of that out of the way, let's jump in.
Lou.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Thank you for having me Justin.
For those of you who have beenlistening for a long time, the
foundational message that I wantpeople to understand is that
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normal, functional people inlife can have demons.
Type of exorcism or people thathave demons are people who are
severely mentally disabled, likeschizophrenic, or people that
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are homeless, but never somebodythat makes good money, never
somebody that's college educated.
We are above this, and so youguys hear me poke fun at that
arrogancy all the time, becauseevery person, regardless of
socioeconomic status, can havedemons.
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I've always said thatdemonization starts at childhood
and lose dead.
Many people do not get freedgoing through deliverance
ministry because a lot ofdeliverance ministries do not
believe in generational cursesor they have no training on how
to break generational curses.
It's mission critical.
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Also, the inner healing, whichI mentioned in the prior episode
if you've not listened to thatwhere I interviewed leah about
inner healing.
It's essential for you to haveboth exorcism, inner healing and
therapy.
Okay, so lose started in hischildhood and vexed him
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throughout the majority of hislife, so lou, first of, thank
you again for coming on here.
Lou, I'm going to come over toyou and I'd like for you to just
share with us a little bit,because we understand you're a
sports psychologist.
That's a big title, that's abig deal.
I don't care what anybody says,that's cool and that's a big
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deal.
But when we met we talked someabout your childhood, a little
bit about your father, a littlebit about how there was the
abuse there and so forth.
But can you share with theaudience, just so they can
understand that having a littlebit of a rocky childhood is
normal?
Can you tell us a little bitabout what your relationship was
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like with your father and withyour mother?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The funny thing, justin, as I'm sitting here, I'm
looking at a picture of both myparents.
They're directly in front of me, so as I look at them, I see
love.
But I will say the early partof my childhood, the first 10
years, my father certainly didnot fail to spare the rod he
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used to keep a stick above ourrefrigerator and if I was
disobedient I would get hit withthe stick usually the legs, the
behind, the back.
Sometimes it would get a littlemore aggressive than that.
I can remember one time inparticular I was being very
defiant, but my father had ahorrible spirit of rage when he
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was younger and it was downrightscary and my mother to this day
still doesn't really talk aboutit.
But as the years went on, myfather got a lot better and I
made a lot better and he passedaway in 2013.
But really I wouldn't wantanother kid to go through that
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and fortunately my nieces andnephews never had to go through
that with my brother.
My brother didn't believe indoing that to raise the children
and as far as my mother goes,mother is a.
She was wonderful to me, stillis wonderful to me.
She just texted me, I think,just as the podcast started.
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So I have a very closerelationship with my mother.
My mother definitely protectedme those early years, though it
was scary, but I can say nowlike I've forgiven him.
The one thing I've learned,justin, about if you want to
have as few demons as possible,you have to forgive everybody
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who has ever harmed you orwronged you.
And often and Derek Prince saidthis, he said that often means
the people closest to you themost are the ones you have to
forgive.
And years ago I called LakeHamilton Bible Camp, who's been
known for years for bringing indeliverance ministry preachers
like Wynne Worley and John Gogin, who I've gotten to know really
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well, and a host of others.
And I called them a couple ofyears ago and I asked, I said
what's the number one key to notgetting demons or getting rid
of them?
And they said that if you wantto have demons, don't forgive
people.
If you want to get rid of themor not get them, you got to
forgive.
You got to forgive everybodyand you got to do it with
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authority and it's hard, but yougot to forgive.
You've got to forgive everybodyand you've got to do it with
authority and it's hard, butyou've got to forgive, forgive
and I have long forgiven myfather and, listen, I've had to
forgive my mother and, mostimportantly, I've had to forgive
myself for a lot of things tooin life.
But that's the thing I'velearned.
So I don't look at my father asthis heinous guy.
I look at him as someone whosuffered from the spirit of rage
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and as time went on he calmeddown and turned out to be a
pretty pretty good father.
So that's what I can say aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I think you bring out some really good points here,
lou.
First of all, for the listenersI talk on here all the time
that it starts in childhood andmaybe I paint a picture that
it's always horrendously bad,like incest and rape and smashed
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up against walls by fathers andthese sorts of things, and
certainly that type of childhoodhappens with many people
neglect, abandonment and allthese sorts of things.
Proudhood happens with manypeople neglect, abandonment and
all these sorts of things.
But I think what Lou shared ispretty common for a lot of
adults who listen.
You had a mother and father Now, not everybody.
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So this is specifically topeople who had a mother and
father in the home.
And maybe your home life wasbad, but not like the worst case
scenario and this is what Lou'ssharing.
His father was abusive.
Back in the day you got a roddown, you spanked a kid and he
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got it on the back, the butt,the legs and his father
eventually worked through therage.
The mother was nurturing andsupportive and protective of Lou
.
But I think people need tounderstand that when they listen
to these episodes that I'm notsaying that you have to have an
extreme, terrible childhood tohave demons.
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Most people are born withdemons out of the womb because
the parents have never brokengenerational curses and so
certainly in Lou's case, becauseof the abuse there were some
things that entered theirgenerational curses.
We're going to get into that ina little bit the abuse from the
father.
There's going to be rejectionthere from that Unforgiveness
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like he was speaking about.
And I agree a hundred percentFact If you don't forgive, you
got demons.
They love unforgiveness.
In fact I heard a friend ofmine tell me one time refuse to
be offended and that's how youkeep Satan away and demons
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Refuse to be offended.
I refuse that.
Offense Satan.
I don't care what they said,what they did, I refuse that.
That's how you protect yourselffrom getting unforgiveness to
come in.
But unforgiveness is key whenmany of you listening right now
have probably some level ofunforgiveness toward people and
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maybe you're unwilling to givethat up.
But my encouragement to you isforgive.
I have people say during sessionthey might say I can't forgive
my father, I can't forgive myex-husband, I can't forgive my
ex-wife.
I'll have them say I forgive.
In this example, I forgive myex-husband to the best of my
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ability, or I forgive my motherto the best of my ability.
So start with that and openyour heart to Jesus Christ.
This is so important.
Forgiveness.
I'm so glad, lou, that youbrought this up.
It's foundational, and when wework with people in session, we
always start with unforgiveness.
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We always start withunforgiveness.
Demons hide behind thatharbored resentment, that
harbored hatred, that harboredanger.
They just love it and feed offof it.
So, lou, you work through yourchildhood and you get into your
teenage years and eventually youstart university.
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What was your undergraduatedegree in?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So I received an associate degree in education,
and then I went to my four-yearschool East Stroudsburg
University and my degree was insecondary education English, and
then I became a teacher in 2000.
And then I'm going to radicallysummarize the long story.
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I became a school librarian bysimply passing a test, which you
could do on the Commonwealth ofPennsylvania, for library
subject area.
So I did that and I got mymaster's in school library and
information technologies in 2009.
And then, after a myriad ofevents, including a heart attack
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in August of 2009, I decided Iwanted more out of life and I
did not want to teach foreverand work in schools forever.
By the grace of God, he and aformer friend of mine started a
business that eventually tookoff, and by the time I got to
2011, I ended up making moremoney doing that than I did in
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education, and I retired fromteaching on July 1st 2011.
It was one of the happiest daysof my life.
A couple months before that, Ihad started my doctorate in
sport performance psychology.
Basically, I did it because myplan B was to do the business
and then to end up teachingcollege courses on the side.
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That was the original plan B,and in 2015,.
I got my doctorate in sport andperformance psychology, so I
asked for my doctorate's end.
So I work as a sport andperformance psychologist, but
really all it is.
It's the same business I'vealways run.
I became sole proprietor in2013.
My business partner decided togo back into education and
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that's what I do right now.
I really don't need a doctorateto do it, but I got one and it
has helped me think definitelyat a more elite level because of
the research I was able to doand the specific things I
learned in my doctorate.
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So I am grateful for that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So in a day and life of a sports psychologist, what
does your day look like?
What does a sports psychologistdo?
There's people listening whohave no understanding of what
that even is or what you do.
So can you talk to us a littlebit about what is a sports
psychologist, what are yourroles and what do you do for
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work?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
On a normal day, I spend my day doing content
marketing, which is I makeYouTube videos.
I post YouTube videos onYouTube onto my website,
tripleoptionfootballcom, and itgoes on to various social media
channels.
I do that along with I do asports psychology post that goes
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basically in the same manner.
So that's the content marketing.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I do.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I work pretty much predominantly with football
content marketing.
I do.
I work pretty muchpredominantly with football, so
I'm always looking for theaccurate email addresses and
social media feeds of head highschool football coaches.
What I get to do when I get aclient is I run a three-day
football camp at their highschool with the coaches and the
players and I teach them how torun the Army Air Force triple
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option offense.
And I do online education forcoaches where I teach them how
to play, call, install andpractice Army and Air Force's
offense, and I've been doingthat the last 15 years, so it's
a specialized niche.
People generally hire me basedon my testimonials I've had.
I've been blessed, by the graceof God to have really
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successful clients.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So a lot of marketing .
And when you hook up withsomebody, then you go meet with
them for three days of training.
And when you're there for thosethree days, what are you doing
there, Lou?
Are you like teaching them howto run plays?
Are you teaching them thoughtprocesses on how to
psychologically prepare forwinning?
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How does that look?
So what?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I do is, if it's a AMP client, they get the online
academy first, which is I'mgoing to teach them how to play,
call, install and practice thearmy, air force current core
triple option offense the rightway the first time.
So by the time I get out there,what I do is I have their
players run 720 plays in underseven hours, so we break that
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down over three days.
I think too many times we focuson the wrong things, where we
have to focus on the mostimportant thing and go from
there, which ultimately is whatJesus says and what Jesus does.
And if you ever look at BibleGateway, it is a website that
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obviously focuses on all aspectsof the Bible.
But if you ever check out thetop 100 verses that people read
at Bible Gateway, study that andyou'll find that people are
really drawn to what Jesus saysand what Jesus does and you can
build from there.
Now, the reason I'm going onthat tangent Justin is because
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I'm driving a point across toall the listeners here when it
comes to helping people, you'vegot to know what's the most
important thing and really, ifyou could just focus on one
thing, you're going to make alot of progress with people in
all aspects of life and beyond.
And that's what I try to do isgive people a real mission, like
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the Great Commission in Matthew28, 18-20,.
That's the mission of whatwe're supposed to do Go make
disciples of all nations,baptize them in the name of the
Father, son and the Holy Spirit,and to obey everything the Lord
Jesus commanded us, and he'llbe with us always, at the very
end of the age.
You have to give people amission and you've got to beat
them with that missionmetaphorically of course, until
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they can think with their feetand they can't get it wrong.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You had demons, and when did you first come to the
realization that I have demons?
How did you recognize thatwithin yourself?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I had a friend.
I had a friend who's deceasednow and I knew he had demons and
I kind of knew in the 90s therewas something really wrong
there, because I could watch hisface get torched and I knew
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there were issues there and Iwatched the demons just grow and
grow in him to the point whereone day he drank a lot of
alcohol and downed it with 20Vicodin and his heart blew up.
So I could see that he wasdemonically possessed and it was
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bad.
Look, and I'm going to say thisand people can fight me on this
, I don't care, everybody's gotdemons.
The goal is to have as few aspossible.
If you're breathing, you gotthem.
You got them Because there'sjust endless ways for them to
get in.
The goal is to have as few aspossible.
That's what I'm fighting forevery day and that's what
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everybody needs to fight forevery day.
It's the same thing with sin.
God won't let you be perfect,but he will let you fight to get
close and we should be workingevery day to sin less.
Lord Jesus' standards are goingto sin, no more, obviously.
That's the goal is you sin aslittle as possible.
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But when it comes to demons, ifyou're breathing.
You got them.
The goal is to get the big onesout and to get as much of it
out as possible, and that's whyDeliverance Ministry is the most
underrated ministry out thereby far.
No questions asked.
People are scared to talk aboutit because people are just so
distant from it, and I've seendeliverance ministries.
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I've watched so many mightymiracles and I know Justin has
as well, and he's been a bigpart of them.
So, as far as my demons go, Iknew stuff was wrong when I was
a kid but you can't quite knowexactly what it is.
When I knew for sure there werethings that were really wrong.
I would say in my walk withChrist.
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I would say probably sometimein the 2010s, but I would say
during COVID and I'll say thisreal quick During COVID and with
the political unrest in thiscountry, I will never forget
this I was driving and I stoppedat a stoplight and I was
thinking about what's going onin this world, like COVID,
political unrest.
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This is crazy.
And God actually spoke to meOne of the very, very few times
I can remember God speaking tome this transparently.
And he said Lou, this isspiritual warfare.
And he said this is basicallynot about humans.
This is more than that.
So don't judge the people bythe people.
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It's by the demons they possess, and he said that to me.
Now there might be some wordsout of place there forgiving
father, if it's not exactly thatbut spiritual warfare was
transparent.
So for the last five years I'vebeen on a rampage, trying to
figure out myself first, andthen other people to try to help
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them, and that's what led me toso many ministries like Dr Bob
Larson, wynne, worley, derekGrintz Although I knew of Derek
Prince for years before WhirlyDerek Grins, although I knew of
Derek Prince for years beforeJohn Gogan, who I've gotten to
meet several times.
He has a church in the BuffaloNew York area.
He does really good deliveranceministry and there have been
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others Vlad I can't pronounceVlad's last name, it's Russian,
but yeah, it's just somepowerful ministry.
But I really started focusingthe last five years.
I knew stuff was wrong with mewhen I was a kid, Like I just
knew it.
Like demons are persons withoutbodies.
That's what they are and justmultiply if you don't take care
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of it.
So I made a choice that I needto take care of it.
Deliverance is for thedesperate.
You've got to be desperate ifyou want deliverance.
So, believe me, I got hopeful,I got desperate and I got
delivered.
And I got a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
All excellent points, lou, I think what stuck out to
me in what you were sharing isthat you really began to
research and dive in.
You started consuming materials, books, deliverance ministries
and learning because you wantedto improve.
Right, you wanted to improve,and I think that's important.
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And that would be my questionfor everyone listening, my
friend do you want to improve?
I just talked about this in thelast episode with Leah.
It astounds me how many peopledo not want to improve.
They just want to stay stuck inlife, stuck in misery, stuck
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with their demons, stuck intheir dysfunction, and this is
the way they want to live untilthey draw their last breath and
fall over dead.
And I can't understand that.
I get it, because it's hard tochange and there are people on
personality types that havegreat difficulty with change and
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they like normalcy.
Even if that normalcy is demonsand torment and sleepless
nights, at least it's somethingnormal.
I get it.
But on the same hand, wouldn'tyou want to improve?
Wouldn't you want to have abetter night's sleep?
Wouldn't you want to have peacein your mind, peace in your
life, getting rid of the demons?
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Lou said it no matter what,everybody's got demons, and
listen, I think it's right.
I was speaking with an exorcistfriend of mine a couple months
back.
He said, justin, the onlyreason people come to us is
because they can't live withtheir demons anymore.
But a lot of people live withtheir demons till the day they
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die because they're not inenough pain from them to come
for help.
And I thought, wow.
I said, dude, I don't get that,because I wanted them out.
I was so sick of the torment.
And you guys, if you've notheard my story Overcoming the
Darkness in episode one, I hadsevere paranormal phenomena all
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through my childhood, teenageyears, young adult years,
tormented relentlessly by thesedemons, and I'm like I'm getting
rid of these things.
And so I did.
So.
I think what you shared, lou,is it's extremely valid.
People have demons and it's amatter of getting rid of the big
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ones.
It's a matter of minimizing theamount of demons you have so
you could be more effective forthe kingdom of God.
This gets back to what I wasspeaking to in the prior episode
.
You have a kingdom purpose anddemons are like this If I put a
backpack on your back and I puta thousand pounds in that
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backpack, okay, and I said, nowjust go through life with that
thousand pounds on your back.
So you're walking straight intothe car and you fall in the car
and then you start the car upand you drive and you go to
church and you pull in oh Lord,I'm so happy I'm here.
But then you go to get out ofthe car and you're straining a
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thousand pounds and you walk inand you're like I got a smile.
So you got this tormented,straining smile on your face.
Hey, I got the victory.
Then you go for an exorcism whenyou say, okay, we're going to
take some of these weights offof your back.
So instead of doing a thousandpounds now, after your first
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exorcism session, you're down to800.
Now come on back becausethere's more we can do.
So then you come back, we take800 down to 500.
And now you're really startingto feel the freedom.
But you know it's still we cando.
So then you come back, we take800 down to 500.
And now you're really startingto feel the freedom.
But you know it's still alittle heavy.
It's still a little heavy.
You get out of the car, you canwalk in, but you feel a little
bit in your lower back, you feela little bit in your ankles.
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500 pounds is still a lot.
You're like man, I got to goback for a little bit more.
You come back, you go throughanother exorcism session.
Bam, now we're down to 300.
You get my point.
This is how exorcism is.
Get rid of those weights, myfriend.
Goodness, gracious, lighten theload.
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I hate demons and I hate thedemons that were in me.
I hate demons so bad, oh, theyinfuriate me.
I absolutely despise them andhate them.
Filthy, unclean, tormenting.
Episode one I told you theytackle me out of the bed and I'd
wrestle them.
I'm not even making this up Now.
Most people hearing this wouldsay he's crazy, blah, blah, blah
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, no, bro, like severeparanormal stuff.
And I went to Dr Larson.
He was the only one who couldhelp me and that's why I became
an exorcist.
I'm like I don't want anybodyto experience this, but my
hatred toward demons runsextremely deep, extremely deep.
I can remember when I'd havesleep paralysis.
I would be straining to get outof it and I would be saying to
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them in my mind, because they'dparalyzed me where I couldn't
open my mouth, and I'd say youare going down, you are going
down, and I would call out toJesus Christ and I was so like
if I could physically roundhouse, kick them throat, chop them, I
would do it.
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Oh, they infuriate me.
They have legal rights to be inour souls, our emotions, how we
feel, our thoughts, how wethink.
But at the end of the day,they're just legal rights and
they're punks and they'retrespassing.
As long as we break those legalrights, we can get them out
trespassing.
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As long as we break those legalrights, we can get them out.
This is great.
I hope you guys are gettingsomething out of this.
Take that backpack off, go forsome sessions.
I told you guys I go one or twotimes a year for exorcism
sessions.
Just because I'm an exorcist,don't think that I'm 100% clean.
I know when I first wentthrough all my exorcism sessions
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for 14 months, I'm like, yeah,man, I'm free, I thought I was
free, and then a little whilelater and have a little demonic,
paranormal stuff happen.
I go back where I just begetting tormented and I'm like
demons don't have a legal right.
There's something in me that Idon't know what it is.
Christians don't have a legalright.
There's something in me that Idon't know what it is Like.
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There comes a point indeliverance ministry where
you've told everything you couldtell.
There's nothing hidden andyou're still being tormented.
There's an open door that youdon't know what it is and
oftentimes that's generationalcurses.
So I'll go back to Larson.
When I'm being tormented, I'llbe like and I document it A, b,
c and D these are the fourthings I'm experiencing and I'm
coming to you, dr Larson, forinterrogation because I don't
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know what's causing it.
You don't know what's causingit and the demons do.
So let's get him up andinterrogate him and then I just
go neutral.
He does his thing.
He gets them up, he finds outwhat it is.
We renounce it.
He expels them.
Game over, done and that's it.
That's it.
It's not hard and that's what Iwould love for each of you to do
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is to get freed, get thosedemons out and then get the
inner healing Got to deal withthe trauma.
Every client that I work with,90% have never went for
counseling, have never went forcounseling, and it's essential
because Dr Larson mentioned tome one time this really stuck
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with me that if someone goesthrough a traumatic experience
and they go through counselingand go through therapy in a
healthy fashion, they normallydon't get demons.
But if someone goes through atraumatic experience and they
don't go for counseling andtherapy, they almost always get
demons, and it makes sensebecause they have a gaping wound
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and they can't heal itthemselves.
So what are they going to do?
Become resentful and anger andunforgiveness.
So demons get in.
They're just going to do drugs,demons get in, and so forth.
Right, you're going to try toself-soothe yourself in some way
, and therapy is the best.
Just some random thoughts toshare with you guys about this
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whole thing.
What really sparked this,though, lou, is you're like it's
a matter of getting rid of themas many as you can to minimize
their impact in your life.
And it gets to a point whereyou get rid of them enough where
you can be really effective forthe kingdom of God Really
effective Because you becomemuch less self-absorbed the more
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demons that you get expelledout of you.
Demons love for us to benarcissistic.
They love to keep making youthink of yourself and drive you
into isolation.
They love to just make you benarcissistic and self-pity and
self-absorbed.
Demons love that, and it's easyfor them, it's not hard.
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I've suffered that, all of ushave suffered this.
Where we're self-absorbed andwe're woe is me.
We're in isolation and there'sdemonic influence behind it.
Keep that in mind.
So, Lou, you came to us and me,you and Tom.
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That's another exorcist that Iwork with.
Tom's awesome.
I had him on here and histestimony is Tom and Margaret
Painter.
You can listen to his testimony.
He's a certified exorcist aswell.
He's great.
So Tom and I meet with Lou andit wasn't any time.
We let him through somerenouncements, some forgiveness,
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and it wasn't any time to wherewe got a demon up and the first
spirit that came up in his soul, his emotions, how he feels,
his thoughts, how he thinks, wasJezebel, jezebel, jezebel.
I get so sick of that spiritcoming up in everyone.
It's just all over the place.
But Jezebel came up and it wentback to a generational curse in
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Italy.
Lou is nearly 100% Italian, sohis father's Italian, his
mother's Italian, he did the DNAtesting.
It was like, so Italian.
And this generational cursewent back to Italy 27
generations.
Back then was human sacrificefor power, money, greed, there
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was orgies involved in theceremony, very sexual.
So we broke that curse.
He renounced it and we expelledthe demons and Lou.
During that time when it came up, when Jezebel came up in you,
you were a little bit shockedafter that because you had not
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experienced anything like that.
And this was the real deal,like this was an exorcism.
And hey, jesus talked to demonsall the time.
All this stuff out there, don'ttalk to demons, no, no, no, no.
Jesus talked to demons.
He asked the man in the tombs.
He told Legion.
He said come out.
Legion didn't come out.
Then he said what's your name?
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And he said Legion.
I mean this is instruction.
So Jesus says come out, legiondoesn't leave.
And then he says what's yourname?
And he says Legion.
So he's talking to them spirits.
Anyhow, lou, going through thissituation, when this is over,
what were your thoughts whenthis was finished?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Justin, the first thing is you're trying to
process everything that happened.
I don't know if I can remembereverything that happened and I
know every exorcism is different, so, like every deliverance is
different.
Some people remember it, somepeople don't.
I remember a lot of it.
I don't know if I remember itall, but you're trying to
(36:34):
process it.
You're trying to think did thatreally happen?
Is this real?
Are they really out?
Now you watch videos of peopleand they, oh, I feel lighter.
I feel lighter.
I don't know if I felt lighter.
I wasn't really sure how I felt.
I can tell you that.
(36:54):
You, the one thing I can say isthe first 36 hours I felt very
different than I felt in a longtime.
The first 36 hours you'redifferent, and it was good that
you were.
I was at peace.
I was less angry, much lessangry, less rage, less.
(37:15):
Yeah, I just will go with angerand rage for sure.
But you're trying to think okay, what do I do now?
You know how do I be a good boynow and you're trying to figure
out, like this is a new you.
But I'm going to tell yousomething and those of you
listening, I'm going to say thisIf you think you're going to
fix yourself in one session.
You're not going to fixyourself in one session.
(37:37):
I'm humble enough to know thatthere is a long way to go, and
Justin said it earlier about yougo from a thousand to 800 to
500 pounds, however, that youwant to use it metaphorically,
and that is exactly how I feelright now.
There's stuff gone for me and Ithink the big stuff is gone.
There's stuff gone for me and Ithink the big stuff is gone,
(37:58):
but I know there's stuff goingon with me.
There's still torment going onand I'll say this I can't wait
until my next delivered session,like I can't wait for it, like
I want to do it now, causethere's stuff I want out of me.
Now there's more.
The big ones are gone,jezebel's gone, maven is gone,
(38:20):
Rejection is gone, but there'sstuff still in me and there's a
next level to all this and yousee this sometimes in Dr
Larson's sessions.
He has people that come back tohim.
So I can't wait for my nextsession, like I'm excited about
it.
Whatever that might be, I woulddo it today if I could so
(38:43):
understand.
The goal of your first sessionis to get the big ones out, but
you're not always going to getthem, because there's ones that
hide really well and you don'tknow what happened to the
interim either and there's asystem that Dr Larson has of
prayer so you can keep yourdeliverance and I recommend that
(39:05):
with everyone, and I've hadother deliverance ministers tell
me that in the past.
But I'm strictly following whatDr Larson is doing right now
because I've never seen anybodydo more than with any type of
ministry than Dr Bob Larson, andall I can say is the first
session is going to help get thebig ones out and listen.
(39:28):
I've seen sessions wheresometimes they hide well enough
that you don't even get thebiggest one out.
But you've got to be persistent.
Deliverance is for the desperate.
You've got to get to a humble,desperate place and you've got
to be persistent.
Deliverance is for thedesperate.
You got to get to a humble,desperate place and you got to
want it out and, like Justinsaid, you got to hate them.
It's a sin to not hate thedevil.
Hate the devil, hate the demons, because they're the ones
(39:53):
holding you back.
So how I feel right now isbetter, but I got a long way to
go and I can't wait for my nextsession.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I just want to mention that you know I talk
about me going through 14 monthsof exorcism sessions.
Lou is talking about you knowhim needing multiple exorcism
sessions.
I don't want you to think thatevery single person requires a
(40:25):
long, deep, intense healingjourney.
That's just not the case.
It really depends on your age,what's been done to you in life
and the things you've beeninvolved with in life.
That's what's really going todetermine how many sessions you
may require.
So if you go to my website,justindeedcom, click on
(40:48):
appointment, you'll see severalpackages there that you can read
over, and I would encourage youto compare them and, if you're
serious about going throughdeliverance, pick a package that
works for you and let's startworking together.
Going back, though, to thisgenerational curse Jezebel was
definitely in the mix here, Onething that was in this ancestral
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generational curse.
They were leveraging the powerof that curse to vex Lou, and
one way that Jezebel vexed himwas through isolation, and it's
very interesting how she didthis.
She said that she would allowLou to get close to women, but
(41:35):
then pull him back, so it waslike she would use a carrot and
dangle it in front of him and hewould be walking toward that
carrot and as soon as he wouldget close enough to bond with a
girl, boom, she'd pull thecarrot away because Jezebel said
he's mine, he'll never findlove, I'm never going to let him
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find somebody.
And this is what she would do.
And she thought it was funnydangle that carrot out, torment
this man.
Imagine this Lou is gettingclose to a woman and then, for
some unknown reason, bam, itdoesn't work out.
And after that happens so much,people tend to give up and then
(42:19):
they go into isolation.
And then Jezebel is laughingand loving it because in her
mind, you're hers.
I made it very clear through theauthority of Christ to Jezebel
that Lou was not her propertyand that she was going to let go
(42:40):
of him and she was going torelease his relationships, his
future marriage, his anointing,his spiritual giftings, and she
was going to bind isolation toher.
And when she goes, it goes.
This was huge.
This was a big area of tormentfor Lou and maybe it is for you
(43:02):
as well.
Meant for Lou, and maybe it isfor you as well.
Do you have issues wanting tobe loved and connecting with
somebody?
But it never just seems to workout, no matter what, that can
happen for many reasonsemotional, psychological, trauma
that's never been resolved, ordemons.
(43:23):
I wanted to share that with youguys because I think some of
you are experiencing this andone of the biggest breakthroughs
for Lou was this isolation thatwas kicked out and, lou, you
were very taken back but alsoexcited that this isolation has
been removed.
(43:43):
Tell us a little bit of how youfeel now with regards to this
whole isolation thing that hadbeen removed.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
All right.
So here's the thing when itcomes to isolation.
For 20 years I accepted Christas Lord and Savior and I was
always looking for the perfectchurch and I would not commit to
going to a church because I'dfind a reason not to, and a lot
of it was yeah, I just likebeing by myself and that's what
(44:15):
I do and that's really how it'sbeen.
But one thing throughdeliverance that I discussed
with Justin and Tom was you needto go to a church now.
You need to just pick one andgo now.
I, within, I would say, 48hours, I'm like all right where
am?
I going to go this weekend and Ijust looked at highest ranked
(44:37):
churches in my area so I decidedto go there and it was a great
experience and I plan to go backagain.
Actually, we're having a Biblestudy tonight.
I don't know if I'm going to goit's been a pretty busy day but
I might and it was the righttime to get involved with the
church.
There's a lot of things rightnow that have led me to
(44:59):
prioritize this and to almostforce this upon myself, but in a
good way.
So that was one thing aboutbreaking the spirit of isolation
.
I never really looked atisolation too much as a problem.
I do think I know it is thebiggest thing that had bothered
me with the Jezebel spirit.
Women yeah, and I don't saythis with any level of pride,
(45:22):
but I've had my share of women,but it's been just odd, I didn't
even say odd.
And then typical Americansociety it's probably not odd,
but it's been.
I'm 47 and single, so I've neverbeen married.
I was engaged once I knew, 48hours after I got engaged.
(45:44):
There's no way I'm doing this.
There's a lot of thoughts there.
But the other thing is I'velived my whole life with
compulsive overeating.
The women thing is one thing,the isolation thing is another,
the compulsive overeating wasanother.
But I'm going to tell you thatElizabeth and Mammon attack your
(46:04):
health and your finances.
Dr Larson says that and whathappens is for me.
Since COVID I've had a definitedrop in business and it has
bothered me like nothing elseHeck with women, heck with
anything else.
That's been on my mind morethan anything else, anything
(46:27):
else that's been on my mind morethan anything else and there's
almost this feeling like I lackthe online presence that I once
had.
That's been the toughest thingI've dealt with through all this
, especially the last five years.
But if we want to talk aboutpurely the spirit of isolation,
yeah, the first thing is go tochurch, be around other
Christians and really just.
(46:49):
There is no perfect church.
There are no perfect people.
You go to one and listen.
If a church preaches about sinand about hell, you're in the
right church.
Justin said it earlier, becausethe whole purpose of going to
church is to keep you out ofhell and basically the only way
you're going to learn aboutheaven is you got to learn how
(47:09):
not to go to hell, that LordJesus Christ crucified, died,
buried, rose again and thatyou're saved by grace through
faith.
That it's not from you, it'sGod's gift, that there's no work
that you could do to get you toheaven and that the only
sacrifice that matters isnothing that you did.
It's what Lord Jesus did on thecross.
You're going to heaven, but youneed to hear that from other
(47:30):
people as well.
That's how I'm starting tobreak.
The spirit of isolation isgoing to church, sitting there
with other believers and goingfrom there.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
That's awesome, Lou.
This is essential to walk infreedom after deliverance.
Being plugged into a localchurch.
It doesn't matter thedenomination, as long as they
teach salvation and teach aboutthe fundamental beliefs, the
Trinity, God, the Father, God,the Son, God, the Holy Spirit,
that there's a real hell wherepeople actually burn and gnash
(48:01):
their teeth like corefoundational doctrine of the
Christian faith.
We're all sinners, broken.
We need salvation through theblood of Christ, these sorts of
things.
As long as they have that coredoctrine, it doesn't matter the
church where you go and peopleare messy Working in a church.
(48:23):
People are messy, they'rebroken people, we're all broken,
but we unify on Jesus Christ.
We overlook Paul talks all thetime about having grace with
people and forgiving people andbeing patient with people, and
so it's essential to be pluggedinto a church reading your Bible
daily.
These are just the basics ofChristianity and we're not doing
(48:46):
it out of religious tasks.
I must go to church and sitthere for two hours.
I must read my Bible for 15minutes a day.
I must, I must.
No, that's not it at all.
We're going to church becausewe love Jesus Christ and we love
people and we want to connectwith them.
We read our Bible because welove Jesus and we want to
(49:07):
connect with him.
This isn't about religious acts.
This is about falling in lovewith Jesus Christ, and so it's
interesting to me that it's a50-50 chance.
When I work with clients and Iask them do you attend church
regularly?
Oftentimes they say no, and Iknow I should.
I'll ask them do you read yourBible daily?
(49:28):
And they'll say no, but I knowI should.
And they're sitting across fromme wanting an exorcism.
I'm telling them look, you gotto do this or the demons will
come back.
You have to fill up the house,your mind, your soul, with the
word of God Christian fellowship, spiritual covering.
When you go to church and you'reunder a pastor a pastor who's
(49:50):
compassionate and loving andsupportive, not a pastor with a
Jezebel spirit that'scontrolling, bossy, manipulative
.
If you leave this church, badthings are going to happen.
That type of Jezebel spirit, oreverything in this church, is
here.
You don't need anywhere elsethat type of Jezebel control,
you don't need that.
But someone that sincerely hascompassion and love and cares
(50:15):
for you, that's a good pastor,right.
But connecting with a church,being under a pastor, protects
you spiritually because you comeunder leadership, you come
under authority, You're humblingyourself and you're lining up
with how God orchestrated thebody of Christ to be.
(50:35):
They're supposed to be leaders.
Satan loves when we don'tsubmit to leadership, because
it's pride and that's why it waskicked out of heaven.
And oftentimes people don't goto church because they don't
want to submit to anybody, evenpastors.
And when I say submit, I don'tmean to someone that's a tyrant
(50:55):
and controlling and abusive,because there's been a lot of
people who's been spirituallyabused by pastors.
I'm talking about going to ahealthy, quote-unquote healthy
church with a pastor who'ssemi-emotionally stable,
compassionate, thoughtful andteaches the solid Bible teaches
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about.
That's what you want as aChristian.
Plugging into that.
And so Lou is in this journeynow of he understands that
there's going to be more comingto get rid of.
He's went from 800 pounds downto 500.
And listen to his passion.
He's excited to get rid of thenext ones.
He's absolutely excited as soonas he can do it.
(51:37):
He wants to do it because he'sdesperate.
He wants these things out, hewants to be healed, he wants to
be whole.
So now he's even plugged intochurch.
He said it.
He hadn't been in churches.
None of them were good enough.
That is another attribute ofJezebel Criticism Always picking
apart the pastor, Alwayspicking apart leadership,
(51:59):
Picking apart deacons, Pickingapart everything in the church.
If you find yourself doing that, you probably need deliverance.
Gossiping all the time.
Jezebel loves to gossip.
She's the gossiper in thechurch.
Well, listen, I want to talk toyou for a minute.
I'm really not judging here,but I've seen Joe the elder blah
(52:21):
, blah, blah.
Oh really, yeah, that's Jezebel.
Brings division to the church,always going against the
leadership of the church.
Watch when people talk, Seewhat they say about leadership.
Pay attention to that.
I tell you what that pastor.
I don't understand why he makesthat much money.
Hello, Jezebel, I don'tunderstand why blah, blah, blah.
(52:45):
So all of this gossipy stuff isJezebelic behavior, something
to be aware of.
So we have shared a lot today.
I think I'm going to wrap it up.
Thank you for tuning in, Lou.
I'm going to come to you.
I always ask my guests at theend of every episode to leave a
(53:06):
word of encouragement.
You know, to share from yourheart with people.
Why should they get an exorcism?
You know there's a lot ofpeople that listen and they're
just not convinced that theyneed one.
Some people are afraid to getone because they think of
Hollywood with the Exorcistmovie and all of that.
And then other people are just,you know, prideful.
(53:30):
They don't want to humblethemselves, they don't want to
come and get help.
I understand all of thesepeople and all of these
different reasons, and JesusChrist is merciful and full of
compassion and patience.
Oh, thank you, Jesus, forpatience, Because I was there
too.
I was there too.
There were times in my lifewhere I wasn't going to come to
(53:52):
the Lord for help, but I did andhe was merciful and he freed me
and he can do that for you too,friend.
So, Lou, coming over to you, goahead, share some thoughts with
the audience here as why theyshould get an exorcism and just
encourage them and share somelove with them.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Okay, when Jesus started his ministry after he
told Satan basically, you mustworship the Lord, your God, and
only serve him, and then thedevil fleed from him.
Satan fleed from him.
A couple lines after that, inMatthew 4, 17 and Mark 1, 15,
it's a parallel verse whereJesus said repent and believe in
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the gospel, which is also knownas the good news, depending on
the translation of it.
It also says repent, and youknow, the kingdom of heaven is
near.
So the point of this is repentis the key operative word to
start the process.
And what repentance is?
(54:54):
You've got to change the wayyou think and act about Jesus
Christ, and his ministryinvolved getting rid of demons
and unclean spirits out of humanbeings.
So you've got to change the wayyou think and act about that,
and it's a choice you make andit will happen through your
(55:15):
desperation.
You've got to be desperate toget delivered and when you get
to that level, you need somebodyto help you.
One thing I learned aboutdeliverance I learned this from
Pastor John Gogan, and he'sright outside of Buffalo, new
York Agape Fellowship Church,which is in East Aurora, new
(55:38):
York.
He told me he goes.
If you think you can cast thedemons out yourself.
He goes.
It takes endless work or youcould just have a deliverance
minister help you cast it out.
And really you've got to changethe way you think and act about
it.
The DWJD ministry, which wasJustin's part, which is Dr Bob
(56:01):
Lawrence's ministry it's themost effective ministry I have
seen ever, Because they getpeople great and people will
discredit it, discount it.
They can't believe it's realand there's other passes that do
it too.
But it's real.
I lived through it.
I went through deliverance.
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I saw the fog come over.
I saw words come out of mymouth that I didn't, I couldn't
understand what I was saying,but they were happening.
And the good thing is you got toget to the point where you just
don't care anymore.
Derek Prince once said you haveto be willing to look silly for
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a couple minutes to get thatfreedom for the rest of your
life.
And it's worth it, because whenthat comes out of you you feel
different.
I feel different than I did aweek ago.
I really do, but I got a longway to go and I'm going to need
another session and anothersession.
So biggest thing to take awayis change the way you think and
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act about Lord Jesus Christ,because, guess what?
He cast out demons and he wantsyou to cast out demons and he
wants demons cast out of you.
So accept that fact, becauseit's fact, because it's in God's
word and it's in the gospel.
And when you're sick of it,it's time to go find a
deliverance minister like Justinor the great top painter, and
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get it out of you.
That's what I want to leavewith you today.
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