October 29, 2025 • 66 mins
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A Halloween special that blends stagecraft, film lore, and smart scares. We trade slasher nostalgia for psychological bite, preview a two-actor Gothic comedy, and share real set stories from Friday the 13th to quick-change chaos on a haunted manor.
• spooky theater that favors wit, speed and surprise
• quick-change comedy with two actors playing eight roles
• Irma Vep show times, ticket info and affordability
• behind-the-scenes tricks like bleeding portraits and rotating fireplaces
• accessibility upgrades and seating overhaul at Mill Town Players
• overlooked horror films list with mood and paranoia at the core
• Friday the 13th Part VII on-set electrical and lightning hacks
• why elegant villains and psychological dread outlast gore
• Cape Fear, Blair Witch and the fear of the unknown
• crafting a Shining homage with a breakaway door and perfect timing
Tickets: milltownplayers.org. Box office: 947-8000. “Cool Yule” Christmas concert coming soon. Saturday: AndersonArtsCenter.org auction, 6 p.m. Students’ Halloween special airs three nights with Dracula, Frankenstein and War of the Worlds at mypulseradio.com and the TuneIn app.
Thanks for listening! Direct all inquiries to jboone@mypulseradio.com.
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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
Welcome to the Boone Show on My Pulse Radio.
I'm John Boone.
It's our Halloween special.
I've been looking forward tothis like for weeks.
I know.
For weeks.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I gotta get you because you'reon the spare mic.
So there we go.
Talk now.
SPEAKER_06 (00:13):
Can you hear me?
Oh, there we go.
There we go.
Yes, I'm excited about this one.
SPEAKER_04 (00:18):
Yes.
Those mics are probably betterthan these mics.
SPEAKER_06 (00:20):
Oh.
SPEAKER_04 (00:21):
Yeah.
Got a good budget around here.
Right, Winston?
Yes.
It is absolutely right.
So uh let's get rolling here.
We've got a couple of great guguests and another, I almost
said ghost for Halloween.
Great ghosts.
And another one coming.
We've got uh Winston Seely, ofcourse, my colleague here in the
award-winning media broadcastingdepartment.
SPEAKER_06 (00:41):
Award winning.
Well, before we even getstarted, Mr.
Boone, I probably we probablyneed to talk about what took
place this past week with you.
Finally, after how many years?
SPEAKER_04 (00:50):
It's been eight years since I won't.
SPEAKER_06 (00:52):
He knows exactly.
Uh instructor of the year, am Iright?
SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
I told I told you that at the uh Chicago.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02):
Yeah, finally it is kind of an honor because the the
people that are involved in thatcontest especially are really,
really good.
And it was my kids thatnominated me.
SPEAKER_06 (01:12):
Which is even cooler, right?
SPEAKER_04 (01:13):
They they obviously were looking for good grades at
the end of last year when thenominations were due and were
saying all kinds of you knowstuff about me to get me to win.
But it feels good to do that.
Yeah.
We'd like to see the kids winmore, but uh and Mr.
SPEAKER_06 (01:26):
Seely won a couple of years ago.
SPEAKER_04 (01:27):
Yeah, he did.
I did.
Yes, I nominated him.
Yes, how it's I've told him I'veI'm taking all the credit for
that because I wrote it and theybought it.
Right, exactly.
So Winston's here, and so is hisdad.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
That's right.
Hi, I think.
SPEAKER_04 (01:42):
Don Seely is here.
He is a uh cinematographer fromway back, probably where you got
the interest, I would say.
SPEAKER_06 (01:50):
You think so?
SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
Uh I I don't I can't imagine.
Can't imagine.
Can't imagine it's like you werethere everywhere.
Yes, yeah.
You know, and we'll talk aboutthat that more.
What what a way to grow up.
It's pretty cool.
And um I always get on on Don'scase because uh I was a Friday
the 13th fan when I was growingup, um, just to watch uh scary
(02:13):
movies or whatever.
And and Don was uh doing theelectric in um Friday 13th, part
seven.
Part seven.
That's right.
So I re-watched it last nightfor the first time in 30 years,
and uh man, it's like a comedywatching.
And that's that's nothing thatdoesn't reflect on him because
he did a great job.
(02:33):
That's right.
But my goodness, well it's beenyears too, right?
SPEAKER_06 (02:37):
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's each day.
Yeah, it was 88.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (02:40):
So I mean it was just one of those those campy
franchises in the in the 80s umthat just kept making one movie
after another, and it it reallytook uh dive off the cliff after
part seven.
SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
Yeah, it was it was weird.
The the whole series.
I mean, they go to Manhattan,but it's really just a ferry
ride from a long ferry ride.
A really unusually long ferryride from Jersey to New York.
I don't know how it was anovernight ride, but apparently
it was.
And then they go to space, theyeventually go to space.
(03:14):
Jason goes to space.
Hey, in movies you can goanywhere, right?
SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
And then he battles uh Freddie Krueger at the end.
SPEAKER_02 (03:19):
But not with Kane Hotter, which Oh yeah, he was
the good Jason.
Yeah, he was a great guy.
Yeah, he was great.
SPEAKER_04 (03:24):
But we'll talk more about that coming up because
it's it's really interesting.
Um but I have these two filmguys here to um discuss, you
know, some scary movies, some uhthings for Halloween.
I told you to come up with alist, Holly.
SPEAKER_06 (03:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (03:40):
Do you watch scary movies?
SPEAKER_06 (03:41):
So I'm not a scary movie junkie at all.
In fact, I'll watch it.
No, I'll watch it if somebodytells me what's gonna happen.
So like we'll sit down to watchthe movie and I'm like,
Madeline, what's gonna happennext?
Or ask my husband, Rob, what'sgonna happen next.
And then I'll watch it.
But I don't like that like Idon't w I don't like the thought
(04:01):
that it really could happen.
SPEAKER_04 (04:03):
Oh.
SPEAKER_06 (04:04):
So I it more of a Freddy I could handle.
SPEAKER_04 (04:06):
So you don't like those ones that are too close to
real life.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
No, like if yeah, don't don't do Midsummer or uh
hereditary uh yeah, stay awayfrom those.
SPEAKER_06 (04:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
That's a little too close to real life.
SPEAKER_06 (04:21):
Kate Fear to me was the worst movie ever because I
feel like that could havehappened.
Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
Like without a doubt.
SPEAKER_02 (04:27):
That's that's that's one of my top top ones right
there.
Yeah.
That was a long boat ride, too.
There's actually like parts ofthat movie that I tell Aaron,
you can't watch this, you haveto leave.
Well, my life.
I believe that.
SPEAKER_04 (04:41):
My wife doesn't need anybody to tell her, she'll just
get up and leave.
She's even last night withwatching that again, which they
took all the bad parts out ofit, the gory parts.
But she would just turn to meand look at me, and I'm like,
just watch what's going on.
Can I look at it?
Can I look at come on, come on.
It's just fun stuff.
(05:01):
All right, uh, Will Raglan's inthe house, ladies and gentlemen.
I made it.
Yes, you did.
Look at the bearded one.
Yes.
Yes.
It's very good to see you.
You too.
Um, we're we're gonna kick offthe show with you anyway.
So after our little banter,we'll we'll jump right in.
Um, Milltown Players has itselfuh a spooky little show going on
(05:23):
right now.
SPEAKER_03 (05:24):
Oh, there's nothing little about it, John.
It's called The Mystery of IrmaVepp.
Would you like to hear about it?
SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
I would, but first I know you're directing it.
Are you actually in it too?
SPEAKER_03 (05:35):
I am not, thank God.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (05:36):
I was wondering about that.
But no, it's really cool, whichhe'll tell you.
But it's it's two actors thewhole time.
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
Yeah.
I am directing it.
I designed the set, and I was incharge of the props because I
hate being bored.
Yeah, that's it.
Two actors play all eight roles.
Nine if you include thewerewolf.
SPEAKER_05 (05:55):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03 (05:56):
And both of these young men, I taught them when
they were in high school (05:59):
Drake King at Woodmont High School and
Cameron Woodson at Palmetto HighSchool.
And I had the honor of puttingboth of them on stage for the
very first time.
And they have become really goodactors.
They both went to uh CoastalCarolina University, got their
(06:20):
BFA in acting.
They actually were in showstogether at Coastal, and this is
the first time I've gotten tofeature both of them together on
our stage in this manner inPelzer.
And they are hilarious.
So it is a two-person quickchange comedy.
We had to rig up some costumeslike you wouldn't believe.
(06:43):
We're talking about fullVictorian dresses with a zipper
in the back.
unknown (06:47):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (06:49):
And the shows are the show uh continues for its
second and final weekend thisThursday at 7.30 p.m.
Friday at 7.30 p.m.
Saturday.
There are two shows, which are 3p.m.
and 7.30, and Sunday at 3 p.m.
The Mystery of Irma Vep is uh aplay like none other.
(07:09):
It is a comedy, it is veryspooky, it derives uh much of
its inspiration from uh gothicliterature and universal monster
movies and melodrama from theVictorian era.
And it is a load of fun, andwe've done a lot of research to
uh understand what all thesereferences are.
(07:30):
They've got stuff from EdgarAllan Poe, Shakespeare, um,
Emily Bronte, all sorts ofreferences, and uh we've had a
blast putting it together.
A lot of sight gags, a lot ofcrazy stuff happens on the set,
some theatrical magic.
And the worst part of all, youbuild this giant English manor,
(07:54):
this haunted house lookingthing, and then you have to go
to Egypt.
Yes.
So there's a second set thatcomes out and covers up the
entire thing we've built as wego to Egypt for about 10
minutes.
Oh, wow.
Isn't that ridiculous?
I'll tell you what.
SPEAKER_04 (08:09):
Just roll out a pyramid and be done with the
pyramid.
Yeah, just roll out a pyramid.
It's all you gotta do.
SPEAKER_06 (08:16):
And the huge backstage that you have, right?
I mean so much.
What backstage?
No backstage.
SPEAKER_03 (08:22):
There is a back wall that is very thick.
SPEAKER_04 (08:26):
Um and and one thing I was reading is that actually
Irma VEP is uh what do you callthat?
Anagram for vampire.
Vampire.
Yes.
Well, the letter is a vampire.
Yes.
So even that's kind of a play oneverything.
But but behind the scenes, Imean, this thing I imagine being
a comedy and all that, and allthe switches, I mean, how do
(08:49):
they do it?
SPEAKER_03 (08:50):
I mean, I told them, I said, you're in your
mid-twenties, ten years fromnow, you will not be able to do
this.
It is a cardio workout.
They are both drenched in sweatby the end of it.
And we've had the uh the worsttime trying to figure out such
(09:10):
things as how do we keep thismustache on?
You know, Drake plays the Lordof the Manor and the Crazy Maid.
And so he has to put on thislittle Errol Flynn pencil-thin
mustache that's just taped on,and he's got to take it off,
then he's got to put it back on,take it off, put it back on.
And they're both heavy sweaters,uh not like a sweater you wear
(09:32):
when you're cold, but like sweatpouring off of their brow.
And um, so we had a blast inrehearsal, but it it really is a
technically difficult show inthat remembering who you are at
any given moment, especially ifthe dressers happen to give you
the wrong costume by accident.
(09:55):
And that has happened.
At one point they came on and hesaid, wait a minute, and he went
backstage and changed.
Came back out, said, Okay, nowwe can continue.
But uh, you know, we've workedvery hard on making each of the
characters distinct so that theydon't sound like each other.
And what's fun for me is towatch the audience, uh, for
(10:18):
those who may not know it'sthey're only two actors, to see
them watch the show and notrealize the same person is
playing these differentcharacters, after a while they
finally get it.
But uh, it's been great.
Milltown Family Dentistryactually gave Cameron some fake
Bubba teeth that uh areaccustomed to his his mouth.
(10:39):
So he has to put in these nastyteeth when he plays the uh
disgusting um servant Nicodemusand then take them out as he
comes in as the new lady of thehouse.
You can't believe that.
That's that's what you callrange.
That is range right there, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:57):
So uh so yeah.
Uh how how do you get tickets?
SPEAKER_03 (11:00):
Tickets, easiest way is milltownplayers.org.
Yes, very affordable.
Very affordable.
We like to keep our tickets thecheapest around, and uh
especially if you compare it toanything else in Greenville or
elsewhere, and uh$18 and$16 forstudents, seniors, and military.
You can also uh call us at uh9478000, or you can just show up
(11:22):
at the door.
We've got plenty of seats.
It'd be great.
That's cool.
I wouldn't mind going to seethat.
And it's not seems like it's notscary.
It's not scary, it's spooky fun.
It's it's a comedy.
And uh there's a lot of funthings that happen.
I don't want to give away allthe secrets, but there are
things about the set that changeand move, and you know, a
(11:46):
painting has to bleed, thefireplace revolves to reveal a
dungeon, you know, stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_04 (11:52):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (11:53):
Oh, yeah, and I added some good fights in there
that weren't necessarily writtenin the script.
I I do love me some stageviolence.
SPEAKER_04 (12:04):
That sounds good.
That's the mystery of Irma Veb.
Yes, Middletown players in uh inPelzer.
That's right.
Um okay, so one of the otherreasons why I have you here uh
well, first, you've got a coupleother shows.
We can talk about them realquick.
You've got uh Christmas showcoming up, always a good
concert.
SPEAKER_03 (12:22):
Yes, our Christmas shows are the most popular, and
our people love music.
And we like to come up with athemed concert each December,
and uh, this one is big band,jazz, swing, and we're
performing all of the Christmasclassics that everyone knows and
loves with nine singers anddancers and a nine-piece uh
(12:43):
orchestra.
Oh wow and we're calling it uhCool Yule.
Oh yeah.
Classic Christmas concert.
Cool Yule.
SPEAKER_04 (12:56):
All right, and you got uh one one other show on the
calendar, but that's not cominguntil next summer, right?
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
Not till next summer, because we're shutting
down for six months for a bigrenovation, including new seats.
SPEAKER_04 (13:06):
Oh wow, that's been a while.
SPEAKER_03 (13:08):
They have the original seats in there.
In the balcony, we still havethe original seats from 1920.
Wow, that's cool.
And we got a big grant from theSouth Carolina Department of
Recreation, uh, parks andtourism.
And uh that has enabled us tomove forward on this because our
biggest complaint from patronswas I love the shows, but my
back cannot take those seats.
And so we were missing out onpeople coming to see what we do.
(13:31):
And it's gonna be more than justseating, it's gonna be uh fixing
some soft places in the floor.
But one thing that I'm excitedabout are the improvements to
handicap accessibility andseating.
SPEAKER_06 (13:43):
And you've had a struggle with that since
Milltown Players opened.
SPEAKER_03 (13:46):
You know, we've done the very best we can do, but
we're gonna um be widening theentrance.
We're going to be leveling outthe entrance, adding railing,
aisle lighting.
And I think what I'm mostexcited about in the change is
that, you know, right now, ifyou wait too long to get your
tickets, you may end up behind apole.
Right.
Because we have a balcony.
SPEAKER_06 (14:04):
Correct.
SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
The redesign has no seats behind any pole.
And the area in between the sideuh poles is going to be a
leveled out area, which israised and level for people in
wheelchairs.
So they'll actually have thebest seat in the house, the best
view.
SPEAKER_05 (14:24):
That is awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (14:25):
And I'm excited about that.
We were required to have sixspaces for wheelchairs, but we
exceeded that.
We have eight, two of which areon the front row.
So it's very important to methat people who, you know, have
mobility issues and challengesare treated just like everybody
else and have the same exactopportunities to enjoy our
shows.
That's that's that's gonna be abig change.
(14:46):
But to answer everybody else'squestion, no, we're not getting
more bathrooms.
That's phase five.
SPEAKER_06 (14:53):
So are you adding more seats or just changing the
seats?
SPEAKER_03 (14:57):
We are getting brand new seats, and they are going to
look like they've been there fora hundred years.
They're gonna look historic.
Um they are going to be larger,more comfortable, which means a
reduction in the total number ofseats, which is fine with us.
Right now we can seat 556, andthis will reduce it to 417.
Okay.
(15:18):
Our average attendance lastseason was around 440 per night.
So we'll have to add someSaturday night shows probably in
the run, but that's okay.
It'll be easier to sell out ahouse, and I can say with
complete confidence that everyseat is a great seat.
SPEAKER_06 (15:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (15:33):
No poles in the way.
SPEAKER_06 (15:35):
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
Big changes.
That's awesome.
Big change.
Oh, yeah.
Good to hear.
And then next summer, of course,we're gonna reopen with a great
American classic musical, Guysand Dolls.
SPEAKER_06 (15:44):
So it's all gonna be done in six months?
SPEAKER_03 (15:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (15:47):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (15:48):
Has to.
That's awesome.
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (15:51):
All right.
Well, the reason why you're heretoo, Will, is because I wanted
to get all these creative mindstogether.
To discuss uh to discuss somesome things about Halloween,
because uh these guys obviouslyon the film side and and you on
(16:12):
the production uh of stageproduction side, um, just kind
of get uh your ideas on some ofthe productions and films and
roles and and that kind ofthing.
So why don't we uh just startwith you?
I know you've played a lot ofroles uh in your lifetime, a lot
of different roles, but whatabout scary roles?
(16:32):
What what have you played thathave been like some scary type
characters that you enjoyed?
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Here's the thing you know, the upstate of South
Carolina as a thriving theaterscene.
It's almost strangely so to bethe size that we are.
And if you are a male actor inthe upstate, you have your pick
of a wide variety of wonderfulroles.
A lot of actors don't like beinguh typecast.
(16:59):
I love it because I tended to becast as the singing villain a
lot.
I guess because I have a deepvoice and I'm expressive.
But uh I would rather play avillain than anything else.
And to answer your question thatin terms of some of the scarier
roles I've gotten to play, I gotto play uh Dracula at Greenville
(17:20):
Little Theater back in 2007.
I got to play uh Dr.
Frankenstein, I got to have myneck snapped.
That was exciting.
And uh that was back in Easley,back in I think 2004.
Um not really not really scary.
(17:41):
Yeah, I've played a pirateseveral times, played Captain
Hook twice, which is my myfavorite roles.
For some reason, I've played awolf six times.
Wow.
I don't know why I keep beingcast as a wolf, but I am.
But uh I will say Dracula, letme tell you, Dracula, oh, so
much fun.
At one point, I had to take acup full of blood, fake blood,
(18:04):
put it in my mouth, hold itthere, go to the basement, crawl
into a coffin, they put the lidon me, I'm on a scissor lift,
they raise me up through atrapdoor to the stage level.
Mind you, I've still got allthis fake blood in my mouth.
They take the lid off becausethey come into Dracula's castle,
and they're talking about, youknow, stabbing me with a wooden
(18:25):
stake or whatnot.
And at one point I wake up and Ijump out of that coffin and I
look at the front row and I justspurt blood out of my mouth all
over my face.
And I had white-out contacts in,scared the bejesus out of those
dicks.
That was awesome.
(18:46):
I love scaring people.
Fantastic.
SPEAKER_04 (18:51):
Do you do any of that at your house during
Halloween?
SPEAKER_03 (18:54):
Do you have you know, if I had time, I would.
But uh all of my efforts wentinto this production, you know.
But uh yeah, it's so much fun toplay villains.
I absolutely adore it.
You know, you can get away withso much.
Because you're the bad guy.
Yeah.
And it's it's forgivable becauseyou're on stage.
You're just acting.
(19:14):
You know?
SPEAKER_04 (19:15):
You're just acting.
What about shows?
Uh what about shows you'vedirected uh that are of the you
know, the horror genre or scarytype?
What would would have been yourfavorite?
SPEAKER_03 (19:26):
Well, uh I love a spooky show, and not everybody
does.
And so you you know, when youwant to produce something that
is perfect for this type ofseason, you gotta be careful
because a lot of folks don'tknow what how scary it's gonna
be, and so they they tend to shyaway from it.
But um I have directed uh theScottish play a couple times,
(19:50):
and I made that as spooky as Icould.
I can say it here, right?
I can say Macbeth.
SPEAKER_05 (19:56):
It's not a theater, right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
Where we do it we're all very superstitious about
that play.
So yeah, I enjoyed that.
Um I wish I could do more.
I know we've been trying to getthe rights to a play called The
Woman in Black, which is a ghostplay that ran in London for a
long time.
Uh a movie came out starring uhHarry Potter, what's his name?
(20:18):
Daniel Radio Daniel Radcliffe.
That's right, that's right.
But it's uh two actors who playall the roles.
And uh but it's about a a aghost who uh haunts this one
man.
But yeah, I I haven't been ableto do very many scary things.
I guess Irma Vep is about asclose as it gets.
If it's gonna be scary, itbetter be funny too.
(20:39):
I think that's the rule.
SPEAKER_04 (20:41):
All right.
Well, again, uh one of thereasons why I have you here is
so that you can uh interact withthese guys uh as we discuss
these.
I want to add one more thing.
SPEAKER_03 (20:50):
Absolutely.
When I was a high schoolteacher, we're always thinking
of ways to raise money.
I did three uh haunted trails.
Oh I do not recommend it.
One of them was outside.
The first time we did it, wecalled it Haunted High, and it
(21:10):
was in the old Woodmont HighSchool.
Now it was pretty darn good.
You know, I could not get peopleto come see a two-hour Broadway
show for for uh, you know, sevendollars, but they'd stand in
line for two hours to walkthrough a 30-minute, you know,
ten dollar um haunted trail.
(21:31):
I think the best part of thatone was having the uh lunch
ladies with chainsaws.
And I had them like grinding upthis kid in the back, you know,
like a meat grinder.
It was fantastic.
We had uh drivers dead.
Isn't that terrible?
So awful.
Yeah.
(21:51):
And uh but the hardest one wasoutside.
It was on the campus of theGranble Tech Brazier campus, and
it was called uh the ShadowCircus.
So Clowns in the Woods.
Yeah.
That was something else.
Anyway, there you go.
SPEAKER_06 (22:08):
Did you raise a lot of money?
SPEAKER_03 (22:10):
No.
Okay.
That's the thing.
When in doubt, just do apageant.
There you go.
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
Do you see those lines out there for Mad World?
It's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_02 (22:23):
They they have to have police there now to make
sure everything.
SPEAKER_04 (22:27):
And the cars go all the way up the street.
SPEAKER_06 (22:28):
All the way back.
Like all the way back.
SPEAKER_04 (22:31):
People are having to walk like a mile just to get
there.
SPEAKER_06 (22:33):
Parking on the side, and the lines is zigzagged like
a maze all the way up.
I think they're waiting two, twoand a half hours to get in.
SPEAKER_04 (22:42):
You're before your time with that.
SPEAKER_06 (22:44):
And that's for next year.
SPEAKER_04 (22:45):
Now they're charging like 40 bucks for these, right?
Yes.
Just to go through and getscared for a few minutes.
SPEAKER_03 (22:52):
So what you're saying is I should do Mad World
the Musical.
There you go.
That's it.
I'll be behind that.
SPEAKER_06 (22:59):
And I think you pay an additional ten doll to go
through the scary Mad World, butthen you get the$10 to not be
scared.
SPEAKER_04 (23:07):
Oh, yeah, you can't get some sort of a necklace.
Talisman in their protectivetalent exists.
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (23:13):
Well, I was thinking um a weenie necklace.
A weenie necklace.
I'm scared to death of a weeniedon't care.
SPEAKER_02 (23:21):
A weenie necklace.
They have that at um scare wins.
Uh I did that last year with mydaughter for uh uh her birthday.
And uh I was like, I might getthat.
I'm not I don't want to bescared.
I just I don't want to deal withit.
Um but I ended up not.
It was actually a lot of fun.
Yeah, it was really cool.
SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
They should make that the target.
Yeah.
Yeah, they get extra.
SPEAKER_04 (23:47):
They're the ones that get the blood spit out of
it.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes.
Well, they have some of thosehaunted places around the nation
where you sign those waiversbefore you go in there and
they're allowed to touch you andall that stuff, where most of
these places you can't.
But some of them are like superscary.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Don't need that.
Yeah.
I don't need it.
I like movies.
That's where I get my scare.
I don't I don't need real lifescare.
I'm a high school teacher, I'vegot enough.
SPEAKER_04 (24:15):
Very true.
Very true.
Uh so let's start with you,Winston, about this whole uh
movie stuff.
Um you've kind of put together alist, and we'll see, especially
if um if Will knows any ofthese.
SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
Yeah, uh so you know there are a bunch of movies that
everybody always talks about,like The Shining or The Thing
and stuff like that.
And I kind of wanted to puttogether a list of um overlooked
or maybe not talked about asmuch.
Um and I did do it in order.
Now, a couple of these aren'treally technically horror
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movies.
Um, and that's my number five,which is After Hours, um, which
is a Scorsese movie about umthey call him a word processor
because this is like 1985 andit's a person like typing at a
computer as a word processor.
It's always found that funny.
Anyway, he goes out um late onenight um because he met some
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lady and she lives in Soho andhe gets trapped in Soho, New
York.
Uh he can't get home, andeventually gets uh chased by
this gang of people who thinkthat he is uh burglarizing their
uh homes uh in the neighborhood.
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And it's one of those thingswhere it's it's really kind of a
nightmare, and that's why I kindof consider it a horror movie.
It's really funny, but it's verydarkly funny.
Um and it's got a ton of peoplein it Griffin Dunn, Rosanna
Arquette, Verna Bloom, TerryGarr, Catherine O'Hara, Chee
Chin Chong, and John Hurd.
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Um, so it's a ton of greatpeople, and they're all doing
their best character acting.
Um it's just it it it is really,really bizarre.
It's it's a fun movie.
Um anyway, after hours, uhthat's a good one.
My next one, do you want me todo all of them or do you want me
to hold off?
SPEAKER_04 (26:19):
Well, if anybody has any comments, jump right in.
But uh, I hadn't heard of thatone.
SPEAKER_02 (26:23):
Okay, definitely it's that's that's a really good
one.
Um The Fog, which is a JohnCarpenter film, and it's weird.
Like it the I remember the firsttime I watched it, I thought to
myself, I don't get it.
Why why is why do people likeit?
Because it's not likegraphically violent like horror
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movies are, especially from the80s or even from a Carpenter
movie.
Um, but there's a sense of dreadin it, um uh of something coming
to get you that you don't knowwhat it is, you don't know how
to handle it, and I really likethat uh about that movie, and
I've really come to appreciateit.
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Um side note, my uh my cousinand her family, they actually
live a few blocks away from thechurch uh that they use for the
exterior shots in that film,which is in um Sierra Madre in
California, outside LA.
Um but that's got Jamie LeeCurtis, Adrian Barbeau, and
Janet Lee.
And I think Adrian Barbeau wasmarried to um Carpenter at the
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time, or actually was he gotlike all the scream scream
queens.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Um I I know it's awesome.
It's it's mother and daughter inthe same movie.
You can't you can't beat that.
Um although I don't think theyshare any screen time.
Now that I think of it.
Anyway, um next up is LostHighway, um, which is a David
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Lynch film.
Um this is another one, it's oneof those uh just paranoia, loss
of self and identity, and kindof losing control about things
around you.
Um it's a hard R.
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Um, but uh so ask your parents'permission, folks.
Um but it it there's it's alsolike any David Lynch movie,
almost like music.
Um it has that rhythm and paceto it.
Um Soundtrack's killer, uh,that's got Bill Pullman and
Joanna Arquette in it.
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Um one of the other Arquettes.
And then number two, uh BubbaHotep with Bruce Campbell and
Ozzie Davis.
Uh this one is fantastic.
How do you spell that?
Bubba Hotep.
B-U-B-B-A, and then Hotep,H-O-T-E-P.
Yeah, like the Egyptian thing.
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So first of all, yes, it's funnybecause it's got Bruce Campbell
in it.
Yes.
Um, but uh he's he is ElvisPresley, but like old and in an
old folks home.
And he uh when he was youngerhad actually switched places
with a with an Elvisimpersonator and um through a
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series of events um could notget the contract back that he
had signed saying that he couldtake back over as actual Elvis
anytime he wanted.
So nobody believes him.
Um nobody believes that he'sactually Elvis.
And we hear his inner monologuethroughout the whole thing, and
Bruce Campbell is an amazing olduh Elvis.
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Ozzie Davis um thinks he's JFK,which is really funny.
But they live in a retirementhome, and another series of
events have happened, and ahotep, some ancient Egyptian
thing, has uh uh decided thatthis retirement community is
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where is its feeding ground andso it's coming and hunting all
these old poor people.
SPEAKER_04 (30:10):
That'd be great for uh Midtown players.
unknown (30:12):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (30:13):
It it is it it's a actually just come out into the
audience and I I really like it.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
And it I have a little sentimental attachment to
it as well.
It's the first film uh when Imoved to Seattle it was the
first film that uh I watched ina theater out there which was
really fun it was it came out in02 and I didn't move out to
there until 03 but it was um uhthere was a uh theater I I think
it's still out there called TheEgyptian and that was the first
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one they showed old revivals asI saw Mad Max uh two the road
warrior and the shining and abunch of other films there and
then my number one my number oneof overlooked horror films is
Theater of Blood with VincentPrice Diana Rigg um and then
these next ones uh Coral BrownHarry Andrews Arthur Lode
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they're also in a film uh TheRuling Class that you might want
to check out too uh that's amusical uh great film but uh and
then Michael Horden who is theuh narrator in Barry Linden is
in Theater of Blood basicpremise okay is a Shakespearean
actor who is loved by thecommunity like everybody just
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thinks he's amazing the criticshate him you know just
overacting and all this otherstuff and there's an award the
Critics Circle Award and heloses to some new young uh actor
this is 1973 so it's around thetime that you have people like
De Niro and Pacino and and andthese guys who are like method
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actors and all this stuff and uhthere's a little bit of a dig at
that but they give it to thisyoung guy and Vincent Price's
character is you know totally uhhorrified by this and he ends up
committing suicide we think andthen all of a sudden the next
year the critics start dying offone by one but not just in any
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regular way they die the waycharacters in Shakespeare plays
die.
So he goes through elaboratemeans to kill off all the
critics and it is so awesome.
It's just a great uh kind of Bmovie but also I don't know it's
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it's Vincent Price chewing upscenery it's um it it is it's
great.
His son's in it uh as well it'sit's it's an awesome awesome
movie theater blood um and thenmy honorable mentions that
sometimes get mentioned a goodbit are Eraserhead another David
Lynch They Live um which is nowmore than ever uh very uh um on
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topic and then Neon Demon uhwhich is uh Nicholas whining
Reffin film that is reallydisturbing as well that's
another one um Holly that youprobably want to stay away from
because it's a little toorealistic.
And uh side note um oh who isit?
(33:12):
Uh John Wick.
Oh yeah Keanu Reeves KeanuReeves, thank you.
He plays a bad guy in it in NeonDemon and he is great as a bad
guy.
He should play a bad guy moreoften.
I know he's a sweet guy in reallife and everything but he was
he is he's one of the scariestelements in it.
But the main thing about NeonDemon is that it's it's kind of
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um it's about theobjectification of women um but
in a horror movie way.
So anyway.
And witchcraft of course there'sgonna be some witchcraft in
there.
SPEAKER_04 (33:49):
Speaking of that have you seen uh weapons not yet
it's on my list I've seen it yeswitchcraft yeah that was uh that
was that was awesome especiallythe end the end with the kids
all around it's hilarious but soyou have to see that Winston let
me know what you think I watchedthat after I watched Friday the
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third part seven so I feltcleanse the palate I was yes
cleansing the palate getting myuh my brain cells back by
watching that but uh but yeah itwas good with uh Josh Brolin and
uh Julia Garner from Ozark ohand uh June Diane Raphael is in
it oh for those of you who knowwho that is she's she's an
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actress she was in um there's aTV show on Netflix um oh man now
I can't remember it um it's twowomen whose husbands like end up
divorcing them like l very latein life and they become friends
and June Diane Grayfield's oneof the daughters in it never
mind she's also in a podcast herhusband is a podcaster
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everybody's in a podcast youknow I know someone who was in
Friday the 13th which one uh theoriginal oh yeah Ron Carroll he
lives in Greenville I still Ithink he still does he played a
cop in that movie did he getkilled I d he may have but I'm
not sure but he has the mostamazing uh career and I was in a
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play with him at WarehouseTheater several years ago really
nice guy but yeah he got to playa cop and he didn't know what
the movie was about or if it wasa big deal you know mostly the
cops don't get killed in thosemovies for the most part I think
there's one or two there'smainly just the kids yeah it's
usually the kids that do badthings yeah the kids that are
you know having sex and on drugsand all that yeah they they
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brought it on themselves killedin brutal ways yeah but um the
reason why morality play yes itis morality play yes all about
revenge because uh Jason didn'tget to do all those things right
exactly yeah uh but uh Don wasum he did electrical in uh
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Friday 13th part seven and thatis where the uh the girl has
kinetic powers and sheaccidentally brings Jason back
to life and then has to kill himby the end of the movie and
meanwhile a bunch of teens arehaving a birthday party in this
same area so uh so you know whathappens next but um I did want
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to ask you Don because I waswatching that last night and
it's kind of become like acomedy but if I hear another
twig snap uh that you know it'suh all the time they're they're
yes and they're doing that andtwig snapping and everybody
looking the other way.
Yeah were they oh yeah I canimagine I can imagine it was fun
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I we talked before the show butstressful but it had to be fun
doing that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Oh sure yeah it was a lot of fun I mean we we always
say we s we spent four weeks inLA and another four weeks in LA
LA and lower Alabama and and soLA kind of got the the Hollywood
bit out of us with down you knowdone with the traffic done with
the studio stuff and then it'sthe wet woods of lower Alabama
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down near Mobile and uh I wasactually down there not long ago
and I I thought I I thought Isaw a pink ribbon on her tree
that said birthday bash whichwas our working title.
But you know it really is like abunch of guys being paid to go
out in the woods and just actnutty just be crazy.
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And and we had a we would a lotof fun.
SPEAKER_04 (37:40):
Well some of the thing what were some of the
things that you were in chargeof in that movie?
SPEAKER_00 (37:43):
Well you the main thing was again I was Best Boy
Electric.
So uh my I was that that is theassistant to the chief
electrician and in lighting.
Our electrician had broken hisleg during the course of our our
gaffer so I ended up kind oftaking over for him which was
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fun and ended up doing most ofthe lighting for the uh for the
part in lower Alabama.
And so it was that but also theuh the the the one thing is in
electrical department we youwork with the one invisible
thing that should scareeverybody and that's
electricity.
(38:28):
And uh being is that we werewe're spending half of our time
around Crystal Lake and very wetlot of scenes with people not
wearing much protective clothingnot to mention any kind I I
decided to run uh a directcurrent.
(38:49):
So we had two AC systems here.
Both AC which is dangerousaround uh water and DC which is
not so it just it was twice asmuch of everything it was a big
load but but it also meant wecould have a lot of fun we could
we could put lights where youwouldn't normally have done
them.
And uh we had the the guy thatdid the uh you know they always
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have to blow up the house so wehad the guy that actually did
the special effects forApocalypse now uh uh blew up the
house and it that did knock outa camera crew I mean right out
you know but but it was a lot ofyou know a lot of that house
really blew up what was amazingis when they're running out from
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the house the guy and the girlhe knows it's gonna blow up why
I don't know I don't know why itreally blew up but he's like hit
the He saw the script.
Yeah why did it blow up?
SPEAKER_04 (39:48):
I mean it was a bit of a but I don't know why it had
to blow up but he knew in justthe moment it was going to blow
and they dove on the ground.
SPEAKER_00 (39:58):
Yeah but um I mean it was I tell you the truth it
was so crazy that we we evendidn't some of the actors were
were like refusing to do scenes.
So we had the executive producertake an axe to the face that
actually had nothing to do withthe scene but uh we did get paid
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after that you know and therewere and there were there were
other things too but but um youlike the lightning the lightning
that you're gonna see in thatmovie was we were supposed to
get these big uh lightninggenerators and and those things
are really you take these carbonarc rods that you that they use
in the big old fashion arclights uh and they're they're DC
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and they make an arc likewelding.
SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
So um the thing is the generator owners didn't want
to subject them to that kind ofsudden burst of power so all we
did is uh a kind of a littlething we took a welder portable
arc welder and a couple ofcarbons I clamped them together
and would stand just outside thesame with these gloves on and
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when they were ready point atDon and flash flash flash very
safe and oh yeah very safe uh Ido encourage everyone to not try
that at home yeah is that howyou do lightning on the stage in
the episode I wish dreams goodgood luck finding the carbon rod
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yeah this was back in the 80s ofcourse so uh yeah um uh let's
see a couple other things fromthat movie uh yes unless you get
the director's cut yeah youdon't get to see much of the uh
you don't get to see much of thegore and you know with with
products that one would notnormally think of appearing on
(41:58):
on the set things like uh what'sthat uh marshmallow liquid
marshmallow goo uh was was usedalong with uh numerous things
that were red and uh some thingsthat were tissue like you know
but uh we actually shot again wewere four weeks in the woods
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there and I think there was verylittle script really I mean it
was all just the extra it's justone killing after one killing
after how are we gonna do thisdirector had you see the
director on that one had been uhuh special effects on some
previous ones and so he thoughtuh Carl Bugler Bugler Bruchler
(42:43):
I'll remember the horses it'sCarl Bugler Boucher or something
like that yeah his wife FrauBuchler just special effects
department would neigh everytime he said his name but uh nay
we shot him do that but I meanwe we shot I've got to say we've
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got to have shot uh twenty fivethirty five forty percent of
that thing knowing that it wouldbe that it would never get in
never that they would theyshouldn't even waste money
processing the film because itwas just it was stuff that that
even on the set we were goingthere is no way just not eating
well terrifier hasn't come outyet so well yeah yeah but I mean
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the the the version the themovie version is really pretty
tame oh it's nowadays it'd be aPG 13 record for it was it was
you know I hardly remembered ityeah well it's just go ahead oh
no I was just I was gonna saythat's the first horror movie I
ever saw and it was with you umwhen it was on like HBO or
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something and um you were gonnasit there and watch it with me
and because I was young you knowI was maybe by that point nine
years old or something and youwere just going to explain okay
this is how we did this and youstarted to explain um one of the
characters gets his headsquished by um Jason's hands and
you were talking about well wehad to make a mold of his head
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so it was it was kind of fun toget a behind the scenes thing
and it took all the scare out ofthe movie.
And when it got to that scene ityou hear a little bit of a crack
and then you see a close up ofJason's face and then it cuts to
a new scene.
SPEAKER_00 (44:27):
So there's like no gore and you're like and you
were telling me about themarshmallow goo and the stage
blood and all that stuff andyou're like what okay that's
weird and it would and it kepthappening time after time every
time there was supposed to besome gruesome death it was never
there and it's and it really isit's the most tame out of all of
the 13th it is and especiallywhen he's running around in the
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woods and you hear him start upvarious garden tools he's got a
big weed whacker he's got achainsaw all of a sudden you
just put a blade out in themiddle of the woods middle of
the woods I've never seen ablender with a blade on it you
know and all kind of Winston wasin a way in that movie I'm down
(45:13):
on the set one day near thewater and I get a phone call and
so I have to run up to theproduction office which is about
a half a mile away run up thereand Winston was misbehaving at
home so I get a call on the setWinston hearing from Winston
misbehaving at home so I had togo and uh settle things there
(45:35):
and it was just uh kind of aninteresting You delayed the
production of that I'm thereason it's the tamest Friday
the 13th all the miracle whipwent bad miracle whip anyway but
you also have a list right of uhor at least some idea of some uh
(45:56):
well I've got to tell you youknow the thing about the thing
about horror movies is oddly I'mnot really into horror movies
like that.
SPEAKER_04 (46:05):
Like slasher movies or whatever movies more of the
psychological type of thing yeahand and then it's it's the
people.
SPEAKER_00 (46:12):
You know I get involved in a character.
So there there can be a moviethat I'll watch the whole movie
and it's yeah but I'll get soinvolved in one character.
Trevor Burrus There's notexactly character development in
Friday the thirteenth not asmuch as say oh Hannibal Lecter.
Yes you know um and uh and andand and one of my uh true
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favorites was was for instancein I mean I mentioned Dracula I
mean Gary Oldman's performancein in in uh Bram Soker's Dracula
uh is so nuanced and so uhbeyond the the pale of any other
way I've seen Dracularepresented that to this day I
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have a Romanian greeting on myhouse.
SPEAKER_03 (47:02):
Of course I had a Romanian girlfriend for a while
that it lived uh heck of a cookyou know before you go on Will
did you watch any of the theDracula's to get in character oh
absolutely I love doing researchand I remember watching all of
those movies namely you know theoriginal the Bella Legosi and
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Gary Oldman and Franklinellathose three there was a part we
got to in the script where Ibelieve it was written um where
he says he listens to the thehowling of the wolves and he
says listen to the children ofthe night what beautiful music
they make whatever it is rightand I think in the script it
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said what beautiful music theymake and I thought okay is that
right so I went back and lookedat all three of those movies and
all three Draculas say somethingdifferent.
Bella Lagosi says what musicthey make and that's it.
And I think either Gary or Franksays sad and one says something
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else.
So it's all different so I wentback to the original in the book
in the book it says that as wellwhat music they make and so I uh
said that one night in rehearsaland my director chewed me out
and said it's beautiful musicthey make everybody knows that
line it's in the movie it's inBellagosi and I said well
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actually it's not I justlistened to it today she's like
no you're wrong you're wrongit's beautiful music but uh in
researching his accentTransylvania right the arts
critic for the Greenville Newsat the time was from Hungary in
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that area and so I had aconversation with her and so
part of my Dracula accent wasbased on the arts writer who
gave us our review very good andone thing she said was uh like
instead of saying thunder it'sthunder yeah thunder and
lightning instead of thunder youknow thought that was
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interesting cool so if you gottaget if you can imagine yeah I
think so but I'm talking to thearts writer who sounds just like
Dracula you know I still knowthe weather and Cluj which is
part of time so they're that'sawesome.
But one night we were on stageand in this particular
production you play youngDracula and old Dracula when
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they come to the castle it's theold Dracula who's very scary and
you know whatever.
And one night I'm talking toJonathan Harker and offering him
wine and somebody's mic was onone of the actresses playing one
of the vampire vixens was in thebathroom and she was singing a
few of my favorite things fromthe sound of music in the middle
(49:58):
of our scene and I just stoppedand I'm thinking what in the
world is happening and I justkept going you know it was
amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (50:09):
Oh wow you never know and never know you know all
right continue continue withyour list you know you just like
the thing the thing that reallyfascinates me about these
characters too is that reallythe guys that scare me are not
the salivating monster aroundthe corner that can't be
explained because it has no mindit just wants to consume you
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know flesh or whatever.
But the calculating mind I meanlook at the at the Dracula
they're they're they're usuallyvery elegant they're they're uh
uh and again Annable lector I'vementioned him an education an
educated person who prefers toeat the rude you know I have a
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lot in common with that you knowyou know um and but it it lets
me it it sort of brings that tome what the real fear is and
that is the calculating personthat's the one that that I fear
the most the one who has anagenda a plan that you're not
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privy to and they're the onesthat scare me because you can
get away from the you know thesloth you know the you know
giant amoeba that ate Minnesotabut you know that sounds like a
good one the giant amoeba thatate Minnesota I just watched the
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blob with uh Steve McQueen a fewweeks ago that was pretty good
yeah oh it was I mean for a Bmovie was that the B the other
one that was the the originalthe blob with Horseman plays the
blob no yes yes it was no thatwas the seventies one I think
that was the seven yeah yeahtoward Brando toward the thing
(52:00):
but um yeah like Silence of theLambs is uh oh yeah I mean and
the development of the characterin those is is is interesting uh
I mean you you begin to learn alittle bit of the psychology I
like that but and in the oldermovies it was the movies that
set the mood it was a it was amovie that had a sense of
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foreboding you know rather thanyou know frankly what I kind of
grew up around as a matter offact got my start in the movies
in sort of the 70s uh working ona on a picture called Another
Sound of Sam it it actually wasoriginally titled Hostages I'm
(52:45):
laughing because I know thismovie yes I have seen it I've
seen it multiple times which Ithink is more than anybody
should he hold that against meno I don't I think it's
hilarious.
You're in it my mom's in it werea bunch of filmmakers that that
at the time there were thesealmost itinerant movie makers
that would make these low budgetmovies in Charlotte and in
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different places in the Southproduce the thing for$25,000
which to them was a huge fortuneand uh then get it and they
would go around and go to drivein theaters with it in the trunk
of their car and try to talk thedrive in theater into putting it
on as a second or third featureand and split part of the uh the
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concessions take.
So I mean that that actually wassort of an interesting period.
Those guys I I I remember uh oneparticular guy whose studio I
bought out way in the early 70sand uh he had done that and made
a bunch of movies and againwould just drive them around and
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that's what he did for a living.
SPEAKER_04 (53:57):
Wow all right Holly we're up to you now do you have
a favorite scary movie?
SPEAKER_06 (54:03):
I know you don't watch them but is there one that
has those elements without CapeFear to me is like the because
it can happen.
Just the character of I meanjust him getting underneath your
car and you know and just thethought of that.
I am not a slasher movie personeither I don't could care less
(54:27):
to watch it.
But um those things that couldactually happen and to me Kate
Fear is one of those that reallycould happen to us.
SPEAKER_02 (54:34):
The scene with De Niro and the daughter Juliet
Lewis is a boat?
No, in the theater when she'sstill at school it's like summer
school or whatever that like nowthat I am a parent yeah that
scene more than anything else isthe most frightening scene
there.
Because it because it could beyour daughter yes exactly it is
(54:58):
utterly terrifying.
SPEAKER_04 (54:59):
Yeah yeah but I like those movies too where you don't
know what the the monster is oror you know you never see it.
It's kind of like you said withthe foreboding thing.
Yeah it's like you have thiswhole movie and you don't know
what's getting at these peopleand scaring people a quiet place
was like that I like that umsome others that are like that
(55:23):
where you never get to see themonster.
Even the Blair Witch project wejust watched that the other back
in the day that was made bystudents at UCF.
SPEAKER_03 (55:32):
You know I watched that movie without knowing
anything about it.
It had just come out I had noidea what it was no one had
talked about it.
And so I I watched that withfresh eyes and it really freaked
me out.
SPEAKER_04 (55:45):
Yeah it is because I didn't know what was going on I
mean and to think some filmstudents down there we actually
when I was teaching in Floridawe actually um went to UCF's
film department and and sat andtalked not with the guys who
were in the movie but with thepeople in the film department
there and they made it for likewhat$50,000 or something and the
(56:05):
marketing was brilliant.
SPEAKER_02 (56:06):
Oh that that's the thing that I think because
people thought it was real allthe way through yeah they were
taking out full page ads like wehave found this footage we're
gonna release the film even whenit first came out I was thinking
maybe this is real I mean theywere doing so well with that.
SPEAKER_06 (56:22):
And it was very like the the the beginning of it the
first 75% of it is just verypulling the woods and then all
of a sudden the last what 12 1518 minutes of it skinny as heck
like really quick.
SPEAKER_04 (56:40):
And that last scene where the camera just falls over
and it's in the corner oh mygosh there was no no camping for
me I'm done that will neverhappen no camping no deep water
no not but you know what you'resaying is it's you're what what
seems to scare you about themovies is what scares me about
(57:00):
life.
SPEAKER_00 (57:01):
You know I mean you know seriously and I and I've
talked to a lot of people in mywork I I do different kind of
work now and I deal with a lotof uh the sort of counseling and
some other things like that it'sthe unknown but what if the but
what ifs that get us and that'swhy we always talk about faith
of one sort as being ourdeliverance that's our belief
(57:25):
that good will win out when welose that you know when it's
when it's questionable what mayhappen is it really gonna be
awful yeah especially nowadays alot of apocalyptic stuff is is
out yeah uh the meter could befour thousand miles out there
right in the dystopian stuff andI would say why go camping like
(57:49):
off limits hotel room for meJason might be out there slicing
through your table I'll take ahotel room with air conditioning
and and a comfortable babyslamming against a tree in a
sleeping bag could happen.
SPEAKER_04 (58:01):
No not the Bates Motel I'm hurting because that
could happen too but that isthat is also the funny thing
about uh Jason or some of theseother guys is that he's just
walking very slowly and they'removing and yet he's right there.
Yes he's he's up with themdoesn't waste any energy.
SPEAKER_06 (58:19):
Although my um my cousins they live in Michigan
and they have two little kidsand they had just watched Jason
and then they said oh they weretalking about oh I can outrun
him and that kind of thing.
And literally the dad started atthe at the driveway walking real
slow and the kids had to run tothe door unlock the door shut it
and lock it back and they barelymade it when the dad just walked
(58:39):
really slow.
SPEAKER_04 (58:40):
So you think they're distressed run to the door find
the key unlock it get in shut itand you know how it is they
always fall down they alwaysfumble the keys all those things
that it was by the you know thatcat you left the dead cat's even
(59:04):
in aliens they save the cat.
SPEAKER_02 (59:07):
Oh they did I forgot that's right I haven't seen that
one in a while either sorry notaliens alien by aliens she gets
yeah the first one an alien shesaves the cat at the end.
No because she's I'm a dog guy.
SPEAKER_04 (59:21):
Yeah the dog I'd go back for Wow Will how about I
mean we are already run out oftime we've been talking for an
hour.
And our phones don't work.
And our phones yeah I know thatZach was not going to call okay
so he knew sorry I didn'tmention that.
I wanted him to come in andshare his Halloween stuff but
Will uh give us a favorite scarymovie or so or something along
(59:45):
those lines.
SPEAKER_03 (59:46):
Well when I was a kid I did not like scary movies.
I happened my first um horrormovie was at camp when I was in
sixth grade and I was not readyfor it.
At camp of all places.
Yeah it was a science camp orsomething And they showed Pet
Cemetery.
SPEAKER_06 (01:00:03):
That is a scary movie.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:04):
My wife still won't watch that.
Oh, yeah.
That was my first introductionto scary movies.
And I laughed at that.
And I had a cat that looked justlike that cat.
You know, that they buried orwhatever.
So I didn't watch scary moviemovies for a long, long time
because my overactiveimagination would take over and
I would start dwelling on oneimages I saw.
(01:00:27):
It really wasn't until the umthe shutdown, the pandemic, that
I started watching horror moviesand loving them.
But uh it's funny we mentionedThe Shining earlier.
I love that movie so much.
I love all the the suspensefulHitchcock movies, and we put a
(01:00:47):
lot of that um that music isunderscoring in our current
play.
But we were uh working on afight scene, and in Irma Vet,
the crazy housemaid chases uhthe new bride with an axe around
the house.
And at one point I was like,hold on a minute.
This is a golden opportunity.
(01:01:09):
When she chases you into thekitchen, you grab a kitchen
knife and you come out of thatdoor and you shut it and you
lock it, and she's gonna bashthrough that panel with that
axe.
I'm gonna figure it out.
So we have a shining referencethat we added in the flight.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:24):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:25):
And what's awesome is like the the maid's name is
Jane.
Oh gosh.
And at one point they call herJanie.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:33):
Here's Janie.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:34):
That's exactly right.
And so I I researched someantique doors, and I built a
fake door with a fake balsa woodpanel.
And I had to sacrifice twoclipboards, you know, chopped
them off to hold it in from theback side.
And so we've prepped, we'vepainted all these balsa wood
panels so that at that point hecan take his axe and literally
(01:01:55):
chop through the door, punchthrough, stick his face in, and
say, Here's Janie.
Good for you.
Yeah.
And what's awesome is that thewhole audience gets it.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
At first, they're like, Is thisa shiny way?
Oh, it is.
Yes.
That's great.
So great.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02:14):
Oh, that is great.
So uh now we've come fullcircle.
He's talking about the playagain.
And we can wrap up the show.
We could go longer with this.
We ought to have Don, you gottacome back because we barely even
scratch the surface.
There's a lot of other moviesand stories.
Uh we we need to get Will Willin more than one time a year,
too.
We'll we'll uh we'll have youback before the end of the
(01:02:35):
school year so we can talk aboutthe how the renovations go.
Sure.
Yeah.
Love to.
But I mean it's always greathaving having him come in.
We always get some good laughs.
Winston, with an educationalapproach.
Makes me feel like intelligentmovies.
Excellent.
I'm gonna watch those movies.
SPEAKER_06 (01:02:53):
I took a couple of them down.
I said no.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02:57):
I think theater of blood is gonna be first on your
theater of blood.
On ice.
It is on TV right now.
It's on Tubi.
Didn't I take it on the so manyideas?
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:07):
I I don't know.
I've just feel like it's a partof my past.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:16):
Make it a musical, put it on ice.
Yes.
Everyone will see it.
There you go.
Get another grant.
SPEAKER_04 (01:03:22):
But um but yeah, the play goes on um this weekend
again.
It's what, Thursday, Friday,Thursday through Sunday.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:29):
Okay.
And we're excited for theHalloween night show,
especially.
And we normally don't doSaturday night, so if you are
looking for good seats, Saturdaynight is probably the best one
because there's a you know thefewer uh more seats available
for Saturday night.
But it's a it's a lot of fun.
Everybody who's seen it has hada great time and just marveling
at at the antics of these twoguys.
(01:03:50):
And um I normally get boredwatching plays that I have
directed.
I'm kind of tired of them, youknow.
Not this one.
Correct.
I look forward to it everysingle time.
SPEAKER_04 (01:04:00):
Yeah.
You probably see somethingslightly different every single
time with all that.
I absolutely do.
All right, that's uh the mysteryof Irma Vep, the Milltown
Players, Milltown Players.org toget your tickets.
Will thanks for joining usagain.
And uh Don, yeah, thanks forjoining us.
Thank you so much for watchingmovies with you and your son
there holding up production onmajor films.
(01:04:21):
That's nice to know.
Um and Winston, of course,anytime you want to drop by next
door here um and be on a show.
Absolutely.
Certainly, certainly welcome.
I've always wanted to do kind ofa movie show type thing.
So maybe we we expand at somepoint, but we're staying after
school a lot as it is, and umnot really getting paid for it.
(01:04:42):
And uh and Holly, uh thank youfor being here.
Go watch some um some uh scarymovie.
That's why you're here, becauseif we had to be here, then you
have to be here.
SPEAKER_06 (01:04:52):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (01:04:53):
But no, it's been a blast.
It's been a blast.
Thank you guys.
That's why I went by so quick.
We took no breaks whatsoever.
We talked for an hour and sevenminutes, and hopefully uh some
people check out the uh thepodcast and uh can I plug at the
Art Center real quick?
SPEAKER_05 (01:05:08):
Oh, quick go ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:10):
They're having uh on Saturday, they have the big um
uh auction uh at the ArtsCenter, uh Anderson Arts Center.
Um and this year's uh kind oftheme is pop art.
Um you may see some famous popartists roaming around uh like
Andy Warhol.
Oh, okay.
Uh I'm not gonna say who AndyWarhol is, but uh you may see
(01:05:33):
that person there.
Uh but um yeah, no, this istheir big uh biggest fundraising
event for the year, so it's uhit should be a lot of fun.
A lot of great things to bid onand all that stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (01:05:44):
So that's Saturday night.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:46):
Yes, Saturday night, uh six o'clock.
SPEAKER_04 (01:05:48):
And it's free.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:50):
Uh no, that there uh because there's there's food and
drink and all that stuff.
Um so you do have to uh uh payfor tickets, and I forgot.
Uh AndersonArtsCenter.org.
Okay.
Uh AndersonArtcenter.org.
SPEAKER_04 (01:06:03):
Busy weekend, going to the play, going to the
Anderson Arts Center or Friday'sHalloween.
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:08):
Yep, yep.
My birthday.
Yes, your birthday's onHalloween.
SPEAKER_04 (01:06:12):
Oh, happy birthday, sir.
Of course.
And last but not least, ourstudents' Halloween special
starts tomorrow night for threestraight nights.
We've done this every year.
We have their studentproductions playing, as well as
a lot of the old time radioclassics.
So you'll hear Dracula, you'llhear Frankenstein, you'll hear
War of the Worlds and all thatstuff over the next three nights
(01:06:35):
starting tomorrow.
So we look forward to that.
But uh thanks everybody forlistening tonight, and we'll
talk to you again next time onthe Boon Show on My Pulse Radio.
Welcome to the Boone Show on My Pulse Radio.
I'm John Boone.
It's our Halloween special.
I've been looking forward tothis like for weeks.
I know.
For weeks.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I gotta get you because you'reon the spare mic.
So there we go.
Talk now.
SPEAKER_06 (00:13):
Can you hear me?
Oh, there we go.
There we go.
Yes, I'm excited about this one.
SPEAKER_04 (00:18):
Yes.
Those mics are probably betterthan these mics.
SPEAKER_06 (00:20):
Oh.
SPEAKER_04 (00:21):
Yeah.
Got a good budget around here.
Right, Winston?
Yes.
It is absolutely right.
So uh let's get rolling here.
We've got a couple of great guguests and another, I almost
said ghost for Halloween.
Great ghosts.
And another one coming.
We've got uh Winston Seely, ofcourse, my colleague here in the
award-winning media broadcastingdepartment.
SPEAKER_06 (00:41):
Award winning.
Well, before we even getstarted, Mr.
Boone, I probably we probablyneed to talk about what took
place this past week with you.
Finally, after how many years?
SPEAKER_04 (00:50):
It's been eight years since I won't.
SPEAKER_06 (00:52):
He knows exactly.
Uh instructor of the year, am Iright?
SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
I told I told you that at the uh Chicago.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02):
Yeah, finally it is kind of an honor because the the
people that are involved in thatcontest especially are really,
really good.
And it was my kids thatnominated me.
SPEAKER_06 (01:12):
Which is even cooler, right?
SPEAKER_04 (01:13):
They they obviously were looking for good grades at
the end of last year when thenominations were due and were
saying all kinds of you knowstuff about me to get me to win.
But it feels good to do that.
Yeah.
We'd like to see the kids winmore, but uh and Mr.
SPEAKER_06 (01:26):
Seely won a couple of years ago.
SPEAKER_04 (01:27):
Yeah, he did.
I did.
Yes, I nominated him.
Yes, how it's I've told him I'veI'm taking all the credit for
that because I wrote it and theybought it.
Right, exactly.
So Winston's here, and so is hisdad.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
That's right.
Hi, I think.
SPEAKER_04 (01:42):
Don Seely is here.
He is a uh cinematographer fromway back, probably where you got
the interest, I would say.
SPEAKER_06 (01:50):
You think so?
SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
Uh I I don't I can't imagine.
Can't imagine.
Can't imagine it's like you werethere everywhere.
Yes, yeah.
You know, and we'll talk aboutthat that more.
What what a way to grow up.
It's pretty cool.
And um I always get on on Don'scase because uh I was a Friday
the 13th fan when I was growingup, um, just to watch uh scary
(02:13):
movies or whatever.
And and Don was uh doing theelectric in um Friday 13th, part
seven.
Part seven.
That's right.
So I re-watched it last nightfor the first time in 30 years,
and uh man, it's like a comedywatching.
And that's that's nothing thatdoesn't reflect on him because
he did a great job.
(02:33):
That's right.
But my goodness, well it's beenyears too, right?
SPEAKER_06 (02:37):
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's each day.
Yeah, it was 88.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (02:40):
So I mean it was just one of those those campy
franchises in the in the 80s umthat just kept making one movie
after another, and it it reallytook uh dive off the cliff after
part seven.
SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
Yeah, it was it was weird.
The the whole series.
I mean, they go to Manhattan,but it's really just a ferry
ride from a long ferry ride.
A really unusually long ferryride from Jersey to New York.
I don't know how it was anovernight ride, but apparently
it was.
And then they go to space, theyeventually go to space.
(03:14):
Jason goes to space.
Hey, in movies you can goanywhere, right?
SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
And then he battles uh Freddie Krueger at the end.
SPEAKER_02 (03:19):
But not with Kane Hotter, which Oh yeah, he was
the good Jason.
Yeah, he was a great guy.
Yeah, he was great.
SPEAKER_04 (03:24):
But we'll talk more about that coming up because
it's it's really interesting.
Um but I have these two filmguys here to um discuss, you
know, some scary movies, some uhthings for Halloween.
I told you to come up with alist, Holly.
SPEAKER_06 (03:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (03:40):
Do you watch scary movies?
SPEAKER_06 (03:41):
So I'm not a scary movie junkie at all.
In fact, I'll watch it.
No, I'll watch it if somebodytells me what's gonna happen.
So like we'll sit down to watchthe movie and I'm like,
Madeline, what's gonna happennext?
Or ask my husband, Rob, what'sgonna happen next.
And then I'll watch it.
But I don't like that like Idon't w I don't like the thought
(04:01):
that it really could happen.
SPEAKER_04 (04:03):
Oh.
SPEAKER_06 (04:04):
So I it more of a Freddy I could handle.
SPEAKER_04 (04:06):
So you don't like those ones that are too close to
real life.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
No, like if yeah, don't don't do Midsummer or uh
hereditary uh yeah, stay awayfrom those.
SPEAKER_06 (04:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
That's a little too close to real life.
SPEAKER_06 (04:21):
Kate Fear to me was the worst movie ever because I
feel like that could havehappened.
Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
Like without a doubt.
SPEAKER_02 (04:27):
That's that's that's one of my top top ones right
there.
Yeah.
That was a long boat ride, too.
There's actually like parts ofthat movie that I tell Aaron,
you can't watch this, you haveto leave.
Well, my life.
I believe that.
SPEAKER_04 (04:41):
My wife doesn't need anybody to tell her, she'll just
get up and leave.
She's even last night withwatching that again, which they
took all the bad parts out ofit, the gory parts.
But she would just turn to meand look at me, and I'm like,
just watch what's going on.
Can I look at it?
Can I look at come on, come on.
It's just fun stuff.
(05:01):
All right, uh, Will Raglan's inthe house, ladies and gentlemen.
I made it.
Yes, you did.
Look at the bearded one.
Yes.
Yes.
It's very good to see you.
You too.
Um, we're we're gonna kick offthe show with you anyway.
So after our little banter,we'll we'll jump right in.
Um, Milltown Players has itselfuh a spooky little show going on
(05:23):
right now.
SPEAKER_03 (05:24):
Oh, there's nothing little about it, John.
It's called The Mystery of IrmaVepp.
Would you like to hear about it?
SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
I would, but first I know you're directing it.
Are you actually in it too?
SPEAKER_03 (05:35):
I am not, thank God.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (05:36):
I was wondering about that.
But no, it's really cool, whichhe'll tell you.
But it's it's two actors thewhole time.
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
Yeah.
I am directing it.
I designed the set, and I was incharge of the props because I
hate being bored.
Yeah, that's it.
Two actors play all eight roles.
Nine if you include thewerewolf.
SPEAKER_05 (05:55):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03 (05:56):
And both of these young men, I taught them when
they were in high school (05:59):
Drake King at Woodmont High School and
Cameron Woodson at Palmetto HighSchool.
And I had the honor of puttingboth of them on stage for the
very first time.
And they have become really goodactors.
They both went to uh CoastalCarolina University, got their
(06:20):
BFA in acting.
They actually were in showstogether at Coastal, and this is
the first time I've gotten tofeature both of them together on
our stage in this manner inPelzer.
And they are hilarious.
So it is a two-person quickchange comedy.
We had to rig up some costumeslike you wouldn't believe.
(06:43):
We're talking about fullVictorian dresses with a zipper
in the back.
unknown (06:47):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (06:49):
And the shows are the show uh continues for its
second and final weekend thisThursday at 7.30 p.m.
Friday at 7.30 p.m.
Saturday.
There are two shows, which are 3p.m.
and 7.30, and Sunday at 3 p.m.
The Mystery of Irma Vep is uh aplay like none other.
(07:09):
It is a comedy, it is veryspooky, it derives uh much of
its inspiration from uh gothicliterature and universal monster
movies and melodrama from theVictorian era.
And it is a load of fun, andwe've done a lot of research to
uh understand what all thesereferences are.
(07:30):
They've got stuff from EdgarAllan Poe, Shakespeare, um,
Emily Bronte, all sorts ofreferences, and uh we've had a
blast putting it together.
A lot of sight gags, a lot ofcrazy stuff happens on the set,
some theatrical magic.
And the worst part of all, youbuild this giant English manor,
(07:54):
this haunted house lookingthing, and then you have to go
to Egypt.
Yes.
So there's a second set thatcomes out and covers up the
entire thing we've built as wego to Egypt for about 10
minutes.
Oh, wow.
Isn't that ridiculous?
I'll tell you what.
SPEAKER_04 (08:09):
Just roll out a pyramid and be done with the
pyramid.
Yeah, just roll out a pyramid.
It's all you gotta do.
SPEAKER_06 (08:16):
And the huge backstage that you have, right?
I mean so much.
What backstage?
No backstage.
SPEAKER_03 (08:22):
There is a back wall that is very thick.
SPEAKER_04 (08:26):
Um and and one thing I was reading is that actually
Irma VEP is uh what do you callthat?
Anagram for vampire.
Vampire.
Yes.
Well, the letter is a vampire.
Yes.
So even that's kind of a play oneverything.
But but behind the scenes, Imean, this thing I imagine being
a comedy and all that, and allthe switches, I mean, how do
(08:49):
they do it?
SPEAKER_03 (08:50):
I mean, I told them, I said, you're in your
mid-twenties, ten years fromnow, you will not be able to do
this.
It is a cardio workout.
They are both drenched in sweatby the end of it.
And we've had the uh the worsttime trying to figure out such
(09:10):
things as how do we keep thismustache on?
You know, Drake plays the Lordof the Manor and the Crazy Maid.
And so he has to put on thislittle Errol Flynn pencil-thin
mustache that's just taped on,and he's got to take it off,
then he's got to put it back on,take it off, put it back on.
And they're both heavy sweaters,uh not like a sweater you wear
(09:32):
when you're cold, but like sweatpouring off of their brow.
And um, so we had a blast inrehearsal, but it it really is a
technically difficult show inthat remembering who you are at
any given moment, especially ifthe dressers happen to give you
the wrong costume by accident.
(09:55):
And that has happened.
At one point they came on and hesaid, wait a minute, and he went
backstage and changed.
Came back out, said, Okay, nowwe can continue.
But uh, you know, we've workedvery hard on making each of the
characters distinct so that theydon't sound like each other.
And what's fun for me is towatch the audience, uh, for
(10:18):
those who may not know it'sthey're only two actors, to see
them watch the show and notrealize the same person is
playing these differentcharacters, after a while they
finally get it.
But uh, it's been great.
Milltown Family Dentistryactually gave Cameron some fake
Bubba teeth that uh areaccustomed to his his mouth.
(10:39):
So he has to put in these nastyteeth when he plays the uh
disgusting um servant Nicodemusand then take them out as he
comes in as the new lady of thehouse.
You can't believe that.
That's that's what you callrange.
That is range right there, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:57):
So uh so yeah.
Uh how how do you get tickets?
SPEAKER_03 (11:00):
Tickets, easiest way is milltownplayers.org.
Yes, very affordable.
Very affordable.
We like to keep our tickets thecheapest around, and uh
especially if you compare it toanything else in Greenville or
elsewhere, and uh$18 and$16 forstudents, seniors, and military.
You can also uh call us at uh9478000, or you can just show up
(11:22):
at the door.
We've got plenty of seats.
It'd be great.
That's cool.
I wouldn't mind going to seethat.
And it's not seems like it's notscary.
It's not scary, it's spooky fun.
It's it's a comedy.
And uh there's a lot of funthings that happen.
I don't want to give away allthe secrets, but there are
things about the set that changeand move, and you know, a
(11:46):
painting has to bleed, thefireplace revolves to reveal a
dungeon, you know, stuff likethat.
SPEAKER_04 (11:52):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (11:53):
Oh, yeah, and I added some good fights in there
that weren't necessarily writtenin the script.
I I do love me some stageviolence.
SPEAKER_04 (12:04):
That sounds good.
That's the mystery of Irma Veb.
Yes, Middletown players in uh inPelzer.
That's right.
Um okay, so one of the otherreasons why I have you here uh
well, first, you've got a coupleother shows.
We can talk about them realquick.
You've got uh Christmas showcoming up, always a good
concert.
SPEAKER_03 (12:22):
Yes, our Christmas shows are the most popular, and
our people love music.
And we like to come up with athemed concert each December,
and uh, this one is big band,jazz, swing, and we're
performing all of the Christmasclassics that everyone knows and
loves with nine singers anddancers and a nine-piece uh
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orchestra.
Oh wow and we're calling it uhCool Yule.
Oh yeah.
Classic Christmas concert.
Cool Yule.
SPEAKER_04 (12:56):
All right, and you got uh one one other show on the
calendar, but that's not cominguntil next summer, right?
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
Not till next summer, because we're shutting
down for six months for a bigrenovation, including new seats.
SPEAKER_04 (13:06):
Oh wow, that's been a while.
SPEAKER_03 (13:08):
They have the original seats in there.
In the balcony, we still havethe original seats from 1920.
Wow, that's cool.
And we got a big grant from theSouth Carolina Department of
Recreation, uh, parks andtourism.
And uh that has enabled us tomove forward on this because our
biggest complaint from patronswas I love the shows, but my
back cannot take those seats.
And so we were missing out onpeople coming to see what we do.
(13:31):
And it's gonna be more than justseating, it's gonna be uh fixing
some soft places in the floor.
But one thing that I'm excitedabout are the improvements to
handicap accessibility andseating.
SPEAKER_06 (13:43):
And you've had a struggle with that since
Milltown Players opened.
SPEAKER_03 (13:46):
You know, we've done the very best we can do, but
we're gonna um be widening theentrance.
We're going to be leveling outthe entrance, adding railing,
aisle lighting.
And I think what I'm mostexcited about in the change is
that, you know, right now, ifyou wait too long to get your
tickets, you may end up behind apole.
Right.
Because we have a balcony.
SPEAKER_06 (14:04):
Correct.
SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
The redesign has no seats behind any pole.
And the area in between the sideuh poles is going to be a
leveled out area, which israised and level for people in
wheelchairs.
So they'll actually have thebest seat in the house, the best
view.
SPEAKER_05 (14:24):
That is awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (14:25):
And I'm excited about that.
We were required to have sixspaces for wheelchairs, but we
exceeded that.
We have eight, two of which areon the front row.
So it's very important to methat people who, you know, have
mobility issues and challengesare treated just like everybody
else and have the same exactopportunities to enjoy our
shows.
That's that's that's gonna be abig change.
(14:46):
But to answer everybody else'squestion, no, we're not getting
more bathrooms.
That's phase five.
SPEAKER_06 (14:53):
So are you adding more seats or just changing the
seats?
SPEAKER_03 (14:57):
We are getting brand new seats, and they are going to
look like they've been there fora hundred years.
They're gonna look historic.
Um they are going to be larger,more comfortable, which means a
reduction in the total number ofseats, which is fine with us.
Right now we can seat 556, andthis will reduce it to 417.
Okay.
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Our average attendance lastseason was around 440 per night.
So we'll have to add someSaturday night shows probably in
the run, but that's okay.
It'll be easier to sell out ahouse, and I can say with
complete confidence that everyseat is a great seat.
SPEAKER_06 (15:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (15:33):
No poles in the way.
SPEAKER_06 (15:35):
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
Big changes.
That's awesome.
Big change.
Oh, yeah.
Good to hear.
And then next summer, of course,we're gonna reopen with a great
American classic musical, Guysand Dolls.
SPEAKER_06 (15:44):
So it's all gonna be done in six months?
SPEAKER_03 (15:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (15:47):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (15:48):
Has to.
That's awesome.
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (15:51):
All right.
Well, the reason why you're heretoo, Will, is because I wanted
to get all these creative mindstogether.
To discuss uh to discuss somesome things about Halloween,
because uh these guys obviouslyon the film side and and you on
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the production uh of stageproduction side, um, just kind
of get uh your ideas on some ofthe productions and films and
roles and and that kind ofthing.
So why don't we uh just startwith you?
I know you've played a lot ofroles uh in your lifetime, a lot
of different roles, but whatabout scary roles?
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What what have you played thathave been like some scary type
characters that you enjoyed?
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Here's the thing you know, the upstate of South
Carolina as a thriving theaterscene.
It's almost strangely so to bethe size that we are.
And if you are a male actor inthe upstate, you have your pick
of a wide variety of wonderfulroles.
A lot of actors don't like beinguh typecast.
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I love it because I tended to becast as the singing villain a
lot.
I guess because I have a deepvoice and I'm expressive.
But uh I would rather play avillain than anything else.
And to answer your question thatin terms of some of the scarier
roles I've gotten to play, I gotto play uh Dracula at Greenville
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Little Theater back in 2007.
I got to play uh Dr.
Frankenstein, I got to have myneck snapped.
That was exciting.
And uh that was back in Easley,back in I think 2004.
Um not really not really scary.
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Yeah, I've played a pirateseveral times, played Captain
Hook twice, which is my myfavorite roles.
For some reason, I've played awolf six times.
Wow.
I don't know why I keep beingcast as a wolf, but I am.
But uh I will say Dracula, letme tell you, Dracula, oh, so
much fun.
At one point, I had to take acup full of blood, fake blood,
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put it in my mouth, hold itthere, go to the basement, crawl
into a coffin, they put the lidon me, I'm on a scissor lift,
they raise me up through atrapdoor to the stage level.
Mind you, I've still got allthis fake blood in my mouth.
They take the lid off becausethey come into Dracula's castle,
and they're talking about, youknow, stabbing me with a wooden
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stake or whatnot.
And at one point I wake up and Ijump out of that coffin and I
look at the front row and I justspurt blood out of my mouth all
over my face.
And I had white-out contacts in,scared the bejesus out of those
dicks.
That was awesome.
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I love scaring people.
Fantastic.
SPEAKER_04 (18:51):
Do you do any of that at your house during
Halloween?
SPEAKER_03 (18:54):
Do you have you know, if I had time, I would.
But uh all of my efforts wentinto this production, you know.
But uh yeah, it's so much fun toplay villains.
I absolutely adore it.
You know, you can get away withso much.
Because you're the bad guy.
Yeah.
And it's it's forgivable becauseyou're on stage.
You're just acting.
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You know?
SPEAKER_04 (19:15):
You're just acting.
What about shows?
Uh what about shows you'vedirected uh that are of the you
know, the horror genre or scarytype?
What would would have been yourfavorite?
SPEAKER_03 (19:26):
Well, uh I love a spooky show, and not everybody
does.
And so you you know, when youwant to produce something that
is perfect for this type ofseason, you gotta be careful
because a lot of folks don'tknow what how scary it's gonna
be, and so they they tend to shyaway from it.
But um I have directed uh theScottish play a couple times,
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and I made that as spooky as Icould.
I can say it here, right?
I can say Macbeth.
SPEAKER_05 (19:56):
It's not a theater, right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
Where we do it we're all very superstitious about
that play.
So yeah, I enjoyed that.
Um I wish I could do more.
I know we've been trying to getthe rights to a play called The
Woman in Black, which is a ghostplay that ran in London for a
long time.
Uh a movie came out starring uhHarry Potter, what's his name?
(20:18):
Daniel Radio Daniel Radcliffe.
That's right, that's right.
But it's uh two actors who playall the roles.
And uh but it's about a a aghost who uh haunts this one
man.
But yeah, I I haven't been ableto do very many scary things.
I guess Irma Vep is about asclose as it gets.
If it's gonna be scary, itbetter be funny too.
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I think that's the rule.
SPEAKER_04 (20:41):
All right.
Well, again, uh one of thereasons why I have you here is
so that you can uh interact withthese guys uh as we discuss
these.
I want to add one more thing.
SPEAKER_03 (20:50):
Absolutely.
When I was a high schoolteacher, we're always thinking
of ways to raise money.
I did three uh haunted trails.
Oh I do not recommend it.
One of them was outside.
The first time we did it, wecalled it Haunted High, and it
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was in the old Woodmont HighSchool.
Now it was pretty darn good.
You know, I could not get peopleto come see a two-hour Broadway
show for for uh, you know, sevendollars, but they'd stand in
line for two hours to walkthrough a 30-minute, you know,
ten dollar um haunted trail.
(21:31):
I think the best part of thatone was having the uh lunch
ladies with chainsaws.
And I had them like grinding upthis kid in the back, you know,
like a meat grinder.
It was fantastic.
We had uh drivers dead.
Isn't that terrible?
So awful.
Yeah.
(21:51):
And uh but the hardest one wasoutside.
It was on the campus of theGranble Tech Brazier campus, and
it was called uh the ShadowCircus.
So Clowns in the Woods.
Yeah.
That was something else.
Anyway, there you go.
SPEAKER_06 (22:08):
Did you raise a lot of money?
SPEAKER_03 (22:10):
No.
Okay.
That's the thing.
When in doubt, just do apageant.
There you go.
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
Do you see those lines out there for Mad World?
It's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_02 (22:23):
They they have to have police there now to make
sure everything.
SPEAKER_04 (22:27):
And the cars go all the way up the street.
SPEAKER_06 (22:28):
All the way back.
Like all the way back.
SPEAKER_04 (22:31):
People are having to walk like a mile just to get
there.
SPEAKER_06 (22:33):
Parking on the side, and the lines is zigzagged like
a maze all the way up.
I think they're waiting two, twoand a half hours to get in.
SPEAKER_04 (22:42):
You're before your time with that.
SPEAKER_06 (22:44):
And that's for next year.
SPEAKER_04 (22:45):
Now they're charging like 40 bucks for these, right?
Yes.
Just to go through and getscared for a few minutes.
SPEAKER_03 (22:52):
So what you're saying is I should do Mad World
the Musical.
There you go.
That's it.
I'll be behind that.
SPEAKER_06 (22:59):
And I think you pay an additional ten doll to go
through the scary Mad World, butthen you get the$10 to not be
scared.
SPEAKER_04 (23:07):
Oh, yeah, you can't get some sort of a necklace.
Talisman in their protectivetalent exists.
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (23:13):
Well, I was thinking um a weenie necklace.
A weenie necklace.
I'm scared to death of a weeniedon't care.
SPEAKER_02 (23:21):
A weenie necklace.
They have that at um scare wins.
Uh I did that last year with mydaughter for uh uh her birthday.
And uh I was like, I might getthat.
I'm not I don't want to bescared.
I just I don't want to deal withit.
Um but I ended up not.
It was actually a lot of fun.
Yeah, it was really cool.
SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
They should make that the target.
Yeah.
Yeah, they get extra.
SPEAKER_04 (23:47):
They're the ones that get the blood spit out of
it.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes.
Well, they have some of thosehaunted places around the nation
where you sign those waiversbefore you go in there and
they're allowed to touch you andall that stuff, where most of
these places you can't.
But some of them are like superscary.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Don't need that.
Yeah.
I don't need it.
I like movies.
That's where I get my scare.
I don't I don't need real lifescare.
I'm a high school teacher, I'vegot enough.
SPEAKER_04 (24:15):
Very true.
Very true.
Uh so let's start with you,Winston, about this whole uh
movie stuff.
Um you've kind of put together alist, and we'll see, especially
if um if Will knows any ofthese.
SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
Yeah, uh so you know there are a bunch of movies that
everybody always talks about,like The Shining or The Thing
and stuff like that.
And I kind of wanted to puttogether a list of um overlooked
or maybe not talked about asmuch.
Um and I did do it in order.
Now, a couple of these aren'treally technically horror
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movies.
Um, and that's my number five,which is After Hours, um, which
is a Scorsese movie about umthey call him a word processor
because this is like 1985 andit's a person like typing at a
computer as a word processor.
It's always found that funny.
Anyway, he goes out um late onenight um because he met some
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lady and she lives in Soho andhe gets trapped in Soho, New
York.
Uh he can't get home, andeventually gets uh chased by
this gang of people who thinkthat he is uh burglarizing their
uh homes uh in the neighborhood.
(25:35):
And it's one of those thingswhere it's it's really kind of a
nightmare, and that's why I kindof consider it a horror movie.
It's really funny, but it's verydarkly funny.
Um and it's got a ton of peoplein it Griffin Dunn, Rosanna
Arquette, Verna Bloom, TerryGarr, Catherine O'Hara, Chee
Chin Chong, and John Hurd.
(25:58):
Um, so it's a ton of greatpeople, and they're all doing
their best character acting.
Um it's just it it it is really,really bizarre.
It's it's a fun movie.
Um anyway, after hours, uhthat's a good one.
My next one, do you want me todo all of them or do you want me
to hold off?
SPEAKER_04 (26:19):
Well, if anybody has any comments, jump right in.
But uh, I hadn't heard of thatone.
SPEAKER_02 (26:23):
Okay, definitely it's that's that's a really good
one.
Um The Fog, which is a JohnCarpenter film, and it's weird.
Like it the I remember the firsttime I watched it, I thought to
myself, I don't get it.
Why why is why do people likeit?
Because it's not likegraphically violent like horror
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movies are, especially from the80s or even from a Carpenter
movie.
Um, but there's a sense of dreadin it, um uh of something coming
to get you that you don't knowwhat it is, you don't know how
to handle it, and I really likethat uh about that movie, and
I've really come to appreciateit.
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Um side note, my uh my cousinand her family, they actually
live a few blocks away from thechurch uh that they use for the
exterior shots in that film,which is in um Sierra Madre in
California, outside LA.
Um but that's got Jamie LeeCurtis, Adrian Barbeau, and
Janet Lee.
And I think Adrian Barbeau wasmarried to um Carpenter at the
(27:27):
time, or actually was he gotlike all the scream scream
queens.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Um I I know it's awesome.
It's it's mother and daughter inthe same movie.
You can't you can't beat that.
Um although I don't think theyshare any screen time.
Now that I think of it.
Anyway, um next up is LostHighway, um, which is a David
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Lynch film.
Um this is another one, it's oneof those uh just paranoia, loss
of self and identity, and kindof losing control about things
around you.
Um it's a hard R.
(28:09):
Um, but uh so ask your parents'permission, folks.
Um but it it there's it's alsolike any David Lynch movie,
almost like music.
Um it has that rhythm and paceto it.
Um Soundtrack's killer, uh,that's got Bill Pullman and
Joanna Arquette in it.
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Um one of the other Arquettes.
And then number two, uh BubbaHotep with Bruce Campbell and
Ozzie Davis.
Uh this one is fantastic.
How do you spell that?
Bubba Hotep.
B-U-B-B-A, and then Hotep,H-O-T-E-P.
Yeah, like the Egyptian thing.
(28:52):
So first of all, yes, it's funnybecause it's got Bruce Campbell
in it.
Yes.
Um, but uh he's he is ElvisPresley, but like old and in an
old folks home.
And he uh when he was youngerhad actually switched places
with a with an Elvisimpersonator and um through a
(29:17):
series of events um could notget the contract back that he
had signed saying that he couldtake back over as actual Elvis
anytime he wanted.
So nobody believes him.
Um nobody believes that he'sactually Elvis.
And we hear his inner monologuethroughout the whole thing, and
Bruce Campbell is an amazing olduh Elvis.
(29:43):
Ozzie Davis um thinks he's JFK,which is really funny.
But they live in a retirementhome, and another series of
events have happened, and ahotep, some ancient Egyptian
thing, has uh uh decided thatthis retirement community is
(30:03):
where is its feeding ground andso it's coming and hunting all
these old poor people.
SPEAKER_04 (30:10):
That'd be great for uh Midtown players.
unknown (30:12):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (30:13):
It it is it it's a actually just come out into the
audience and I I really like it.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
And it I have a little sentimental attachment to
it as well.
It's the first film uh when Imoved to Seattle it was the
first film that uh I watched ina theater out there which was
really fun it was it came out in02 and I didn't move out to
there until 03 but it was um uhthere was a uh theater I I think
it's still out there called TheEgyptian and that was the first
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one they showed old revivals asI saw Mad Max uh two the road
warrior and the shining and abunch of other films there and
then my number one my number oneof overlooked horror films is
Theater of Blood with VincentPrice Diana Rigg um and then
these next ones uh Coral BrownHarry Andrews Arthur Lode
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they're also in a film uh TheRuling Class that you might want
to check out too uh that's amusical uh great film but uh and
then Michael Horden who is theuh narrator in Barry Linden is
in Theater of Blood basicpremise okay is a Shakespearean
actor who is loved by thecommunity like everybody just
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thinks he's amazing the criticshate him you know just
overacting and all this otherstuff and there's an award the
Critics Circle Award and heloses to some new young uh actor
this is 1973 so it's around thetime that you have people like
De Niro and Pacino and and andthese guys who are like method
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actors and all this stuff and uhthere's a little bit of a dig at
that but they give it to thisyoung guy and Vincent Price's
character is you know totally uhhorrified by this and he ends up
committing suicide we think andthen all of a sudden the next
year the critics start dying offone by one but not just in any
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regular way they die the waycharacters in Shakespeare plays
die.
So he goes through elaboratemeans to kill off all the
critics and it is so awesome.
It's just a great uh kind of Bmovie but also I don't know it's
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it's Vincent Price chewing upscenery it's um it it is it's
great.
His son's in it uh as well it'sit's it's an awesome awesome
movie theater blood um and thenmy honorable mentions that
sometimes get mentioned a goodbit are Eraserhead another David
Lynch They Live um which is nowmore than ever uh very uh um on
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topic and then Neon Demon uhwhich is uh Nicholas whining
Reffin film that is reallydisturbing as well that's
another one um Holly that youprobably want to stay away from
because it's a little toorealistic.
And uh side note um oh who isit?
(33:12):
Uh John Wick.
Oh yeah Keanu Reeves KeanuReeves, thank you.
He plays a bad guy in it in NeonDemon and he is great as a bad
guy.
He should play a bad guy moreoften.
I know he's a sweet guy in reallife and everything but he was
he is he's one of the scariestelements in it.
But the main thing about NeonDemon is that it's it's kind of
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um it's about theobjectification of women um but
in a horror movie way.
So anyway.
And witchcraft of course there'sgonna be some witchcraft in
there.
SPEAKER_04 (33:49):
Speaking of that have you seen uh weapons not yet
it's on my list I've seen it yeswitchcraft yeah that was uh that
was that was awesome especiallythe end the end with the kids
all around it's hilarious but soyou have to see that Winston let
me know what you think I watchedthat after I watched Friday the
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third part seven so I feltcleanse the palate I was yes
cleansing the palate getting myuh my brain cells back by
watching that but uh but yeah itwas good with uh Josh Brolin and
uh Julia Garner from Ozark ohand uh June Diane Raphael is in
it oh for those of you who knowwho that is she's she's an
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actress she was in um there's aTV show on Netflix um oh man now
I can't remember it um it's twowomen whose husbands like end up
divorcing them like l very latein life and they become friends
and June Diane Grayfield's oneof the daughters in it never
mind she's also in a podcast herhusband is a podcaster
(34:54):
everybody's in a podcast youknow I know someone who was in
Friday the 13th which one uh theoriginal oh yeah Ron Carroll he
lives in Greenville I still Ithink he still does he played a
cop in that movie did he getkilled I d he may have but I'm
not sure but he has the mostamazing uh career and I was in a
(35:15):
play with him at WarehouseTheater several years ago really
nice guy but yeah he got to playa cop and he didn't know what
the movie was about or if it wasa big deal you know mostly the
cops don't get killed in thosemovies for the most part I think
there's one or two there'smainly just the kids yeah it's
usually the kids that do badthings yeah the kids that are
you know having sex and on drugsand all that yeah they they
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brought it on themselves killedin brutal ways yeah but um the
reason why morality play yes itis morality play yes all about
revenge because uh Jason didn'tget to do all those things right
exactly yeah uh but uh Don wasum he did electrical in uh
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Friday 13th part seven and thatis where the uh the girl has
kinetic powers and sheaccidentally brings Jason back
to life and then has to kill himby the end of the movie and
meanwhile a bunch of teens arehaving a birthday party in this
same area so uh so you know whathappens next but um I did want
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to ask you Don because I waswatching that last night and
it's kind of become like acomedy but if I hear another
twig snap uh that you know it'suh all the time they're they're
yes and they're doing that andtwig snapping and everybody
looking the other way.
Yeah were they oh yeah I canimagine I can imagine it was fun
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I we talked before the show butstressful but it had to be fun
doing that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Oh sure yeah it was a lot of fun I mean we we always
say we s we spent four weeks inLA and another four weeks in LA
LA and lower Alabama and and soLA kind of got the the Hollywood
bit out of us with down you knowdone with the traffic done with
the studio stuff and then it'sthe wet woods of lower Alabama
(37:14):
down near Mobile and uh I wasactually down there not long ago
and I I thought I I thought Isaw a pink ribbon on her tree
that said birthday bash whichwas our working title.
But you know it really is like abunch of guys being paid to go
out in the woods and just actnutty just be crazy.
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And and we had a we would a lotof fun.
SPEAKER_04 (37:40):
Well some of the thing what were some of the
things that you were in chargeof in that movie?
SPEAKER_00 (37:43):
Well you the main thing was again I was Best Boy
Electric.
So uh my I was that that is theassistant to the chief
electrician and in lighting.
Our electrician had broken hisleg during the course of our our
gaffer so I ended up kind oftaking over for him which was
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fun and ended up doing most ofthe lighting for the uh for the
part in lower Alabama.
And so it was that but also theuh the the the one thing is in
electrical department we youwork with the one invisible
thing that should scareeverybody and that's
electricity.
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And uh being is that we werewe're spending half of our time
around Crystal Lake and very wetlot of scenes with people not
wearing much protective clothingnot to mention any kind I I
decided to run uh a directcurrent.
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So we had two AC systems here.
Both AC which is dangerousaround uh water and DC which is
not so it just it was twice asmuch of everything it was a big
load but but it also meant wecould have a lot of fun we could
we could put lights where youwouldn't normally have done
them.
And uh we had the the guy thatdid the uh you know they always
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have to blow up the house so wehad the guy that actually did
the special effects forApocalypse now uh uh blew up the
house and it that did knock outa camera crew I mean right out
you know but but it was a lot ofyou know a lot of that house
really blew up what was amazingis when they're running out from
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the house the guy and the girlhe knows it's gonna blow up why
I don't know I don't know why itreally blew up but he's like hit
the He saw the script.
Yeah why did it blow up?
SPEAKER_04 (39:48):
I mean it was a bit of a but I don't know why it had
to blow up but he knew in justthe moment it was going to blow
and they dove on the ground.
SPEAKER_00 (39:58):
Yeah but um I mean it was I tell you the truth it
was so crazy that we we evendidn't some of the actors were
were like refusing to do scenes.
So we had the executive producertake an axe to the face that
actually had nothing to do withthe scene but uh we did get paid
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after that you know and therewere and there were there were
other things too but but um youlike the lightning the lightning
that you're gonna see in thatmovie was we were supposed to
get these big uh lightninggenerators and and those things
are really you take these carbonarc rods that you that they use
in the big old fashion arclights uh and they're they're DC
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and they make an arc likewelding.
SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
So um the thing is the generator owners didn't want
to subject them to that kind ofsudden burst of power so all we
did is uh a kind of a littlething we took a welder portable
arc welder and a couple ofcarbons I clamped them together
and would stand just outside thesame with these gloves on and
(41:12):
when they were ready point atDon and flash flash flash very
safe and oh yeah very safe uh Ido encourage everyone to not try
that at home yeah is that howyou do lightning on the stage in
the episode I wish dreams goodgood luck finding the carbon rod
(41:36):
yeah this was back in the 80s ofcourse so uh yeah um uh let's
see a couple other things fromthat movie uh yes unless you get
the director's cut yeah youdon't get to see much of the uh
you don't get to see much of thegore and you know with with
products that one would notnormally think of appearing on
(41:58):
on the set things like uh what'sthat uh marshmallow liquid
marshmallow goo uh was was usedalong with uh numerous things
that were red and uh some thingsthat were tissue like you know
but uh we actually shot again wewere four weeks in the woods
(42:22):
there and I think there was verylittle script really I mean it
was all just the extra it's justone killing after one killing
after how are we gonna do thisdirector had you see the
director on that one had been uhuh special effects on some
previous ones and so he thoughtuh Carl Bugler Bugler Bruchler
(42:43):
I'll remember the horses it'sCarl Bugler Boucher or something
like that yeah his wife FrauBuchler just special effects
department would neigh everytime he said his name but uh nay
we shot him do that but I meanwe we shot I've got to say we've
(43:04):
got to have shot uh twenty fivethirty five forty percent of
that thing knowing that it wouldbe that it would never get in
never that they would theyshouldn't even waste money
processing the film because itwas just it was stuff that that
even on the set we were goingthere is no way just not eating
well terrifier hasn't come outyet so well yeah yeah but I mean
(43:28):
the the the version the themovie version is really pretty
tame oh it's nowadays it'd be aPG 13 record for it was it was
you know I hardly remembered ityeah well it's just go ahead oh
no I was just I was gonna saythat's the first horror movie I
ever saw and it was with you umwhen it was on like HBO or
(43:50):
something and um you were gonnasit there and watch it with me
and because I was young you knowI was maybe by that point nine
years old or something and youwere just going to explain okay
this is how we did this and youstarted to explain um one of the
characters gets his headsquished by um Jason's hands and
you were talking about well wehad to make a mold of his head
(44:12):
so it was it was kind of fun toget a behind the scenes thing
and it took all the scare out ofthe movie.
And when it got to that scene ityou hear a little bit of a crack
and then you see a close up ofJason's face and then it cuts to
a new scene.
SPEAKER_00 (44:27):
So there's like no gore and you're like and you
were telling me about themarshmallow goo and the stage
blood and all that stuff andyou're like what okay that's
weird and it would and it kepthappening time after time every
time there was supposed to besome gruesome death it was never
there and it's and it really isit's the most tame out of all of
the 13th it is and especiallywhen he's running around in the
(44:50):
woods and you hear him start upvarious garden tools he's got a
big weed whacker he's got achainsaw all of a sudden you
just put a blade out in themiddle of the woods middle of
the woods I've never seen ablender with a blade on it you
know and all kind of Winston wasin a way in that movie I'm down
(45:13):
on the set one day near thewater and I get a phone call and
so I have to run up to theproduction office which is about
a half a mile away run up thereand Winston was misbehaving at
home so I get a call on the setWinston hearing from Winston
misbehaving at home so I had togo and uh settle things there
(45:35):
and it was just uh kind of aninteresting You delayed the
production of that I'm thereason it's the tamest Friday
the 13th all the miracle whipwent bad miracle whip anyway but
you also have a list right of uhor at least some idea of some uh
(45:56):
well I've got to tell you youknow the thing about the thing
about horror movies is oddly I'mnot really into horror movies
like that.
SPEAKER_04 (46:05):
Like slasher movies or whatever movies more of the
psychological type of thing yeahand and then it's it's the
people.
SPEAKER_00 (46:12):
You know I get involved in a character.
So there there can be a moviethat I'll watch the whole movie
and it's yeah but I'll get soinvolved in one character.
Trevor Burrus There's notexactly character development in
Friday the thirteenth not asmuch as say oh Hannibal Lecter.
Yes you know um and uh and andand and one of my uh true
(46:35):
favorites was was for instancein I mean I mentioned Dracula I
mean Gary Oldman's performancein in in uh Bram Soker's Dracula
uh is so nuanced and so uhbeyond the the pale of any other
way I've seen Dracularepresented that to this day I
(47:00):
have a Romanian greeting on myhouse.
SPEAKER_03 (47:02):
Of course I had a Romanian girlfriend for a while
that it lived uh heck of a cookyou know before you go on Will
did you watch any of the theDracula's to get in character oh
absolutely I love doing researchand I remember watching all of
those movies namely you know theoriginal the Bella Legosi and
(47:25):
Gary Oldman and Franklinellathose three there was a part we
got to in the script where Ibelieve it was written um where
he says he listens to the thehowling of the wolves and he
says listen to the children ofthe night what beautiful music
they make whatever it is rightand I think in the script it
(47:47):
said what beautiful music theymake and I thought okay is that
right so I went back and lookedat all three of those movies and
all three Draculas say somethingdifferent.
Bella Lagosi says what musicthey make and that's it.
And I think either Gary or Franksays sad and one says something
(48:10):
else.
So it's all different so I wentback to the original in the book
in the book it says that as wellwhat music they make and so I uh
said that one night in rehearsaland my director chewed me out
and said it's beautiful musicthey make everybody knows that
line it's in the movie it's inBellagosi and I said well
(48:32):
actually it's not I justlistened to it today she's like
no you're wrong you're wrongit's beautiful music but uh in
researching his accentTransylvania right the arts
critic for the Greenville Newsat the time was from Hungary in
(48:52):
that area and so I had aconversation with her and so
part of my Dracula accent wasbased on the arts writer who
gave us our review very good andone thing she said was uh like
instead of saying thunder it'sthunder yeah thunder and
lightning instead of thunder youknow thought that was
(49:15):
interesting cool so if you gottaget if you can imagine yeah I
think so but I'm talking to thearts writer who sounds just like
Dracula you know I still knowthe weather and Cluj which is
part of time so they're that'sawesome.
But one night we were on stageand in this particular
production you play youngDracula and old Dracula when
(49:36):
they come to the castle it's theold Dracula who's very scary and
you know whatever.
And one night I'm talking toJonathan Harker and offering him
wine and somebody's mic was onone of the actresses playing one
of the vampire vixens was in thebathroom and she was singing a
few of my favorite things fromthe sound of music in the middle
(49:58):
of our scene and I just stoppedand I'm thinking what in the
world is happening and I justkept going you know it was
amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (50:09):
Oh wow you never know and never know you know all
right continue continue withyour list you know you just like
the thing the thing that reallyfascinates me about these
characters too is that reallythe guys that scare me are not
the salivating monster aroundthe corner that can't be
explained because it has no mindit just wants to consume you
(50:33):
know flesh or whatever.
But the calculating mind I meanlook at the at the Dracula
they're they're they're usuallyvery elegant they're they're uh
uh and again Annable lector I'vementioned him an education an
educated person who prefers toeat the rude you know I have a
(50:56):
lot in common with that you knowyou know um and but it it lets
me it it sort of brings that tome what the real fear is and
that is the calculating personthat's the one that that I fear
the most the one who has anagenda a plan that you're not
(51:18):
privy to and they're the onesthat scare me because you can
get away from the you know thesloth you know the you know
giant amoeba that ate Minnesotabut you know that sounds like a
good one the giant amoeba thatate Minnesota I just watched the
(51:39):
blob with uh Steve McQueen a fewweeks ago that was pretty good
yeah oh it was I mean for a Bmovie was that the B the other
one that was the the originalthe blob with Horseman plays the
blob no yes yes it was no thatwas the seventies one I think
that was the seven yeah yeahtoward Brando toward the thing
(52:00):
but um yeah like Silence of theLambs is uh oh yeah I mean and
the development of the characterin those is is is interesting uh
I mean you you begin to learn alittle bit of the psychology I
like that but and in the oldermovies it was the movies that
set the mood it was a it was amovie that had a sense of
(52:23):
foreboding you know rather thanyou know frankly what I kind of
grew up around as a matter offact got my start in the movies
in sort of the 70s uh working ona on a picture called Another
Sound of Sam it it actually wasoriginally titled Hostages I'm
(52:45):
laughing because I know thismovie yes I have seen it I've
seen it multiple times which Ithink is more than anybody
should he hold that against meno I don't I think it's
hilarious.
You're in it my mom's in it werea bunch of filmmakers that that
at the time there were thesealmost itinerant movie makers
that would make these low budgetmovies in Charlotte and in
(53:09):
different places in the Southproduce the thing for$25,000
which to them was a huge fortuneand uh then get it and they
would go around and go to drivein theaters with it in the trunk
of their car and try to talk thedrive in theater into putting it
on as a second or third featureand and split part of the uh the
(53:32):
concessions take.
So I mean that that actually wassort of an interesting period.
Those guys I I I remember uh oneparticular guy whose studio I
bought out way in the early 70sand uh he had done that and made
a bunch of movies and againwould just drive them around and
(53:55):
that's what he did for a living.
SPEAKER_04 (53:57):
Wow all right Holly we're up to you now do you have
a favorite scary movie?
SPEAKER_06 (54:03):
I know you don't watch them but is there one that
has those elements without CapeFear to me is like the because
it can happen.
Just the character of I meanjust him getting underneath your
car and you know and just thethought of that.
I am not a slasher movie personeither I don't could care less
(54:27):
to watch it.
But um those things that couldactually happen and to me Kate
Fear is one of those that reallycould happen to us.
SPEAKER_02 (54:34):
The scene with De Niro and the daughter Juliet
Lewis is a boat?
No, in the theater when she'sstill at school it's like summer
school or whatever that like nowthat I am a parent yeah that
scene more than anything else isthe most frightening scene
there.
Because it because it could beyour daughter yes exactly it is
(54:58):
utterly terrifying.
SPEAKER_04 (54:59):
Yeah yeah but I like those movies too where you don't
know what the the monster is oror you know you never see it.
It's kind of like you said withthe foreboding thing.
Yeah it's like you have thiswhole movie and you don't know
what's getting at these peopleand scaring people a quiet place
was like that I like that umsome others that are like that
(55:23):
where you never get to see themonster.
Even the Blair Witch project wejust watched that the other back
in the day that was made bystudents at UCF.
SPEAKER_03 (55:32):
You know I watched that movie without knowing
anything about it.
It had just come out I had noidea what it was no one had
talked about it.
And so I I watched that withfresh eyes and it really freaked
me out.
SPEAKER_04 (55:45):
Yeah it is because I didn't know what was going on I
mean and to think some filmstudents down there we actually
when I was teaching in Floridawe actually um went to UCF's
film department and and sat andtalked not with the guys who
were in the movie but with thepeople in the film department
there and they made it for likewhat$50,000 or something and the
(56:05):
marketing was brilliant.
SPEAKER_02 (56:06):
Oh that that's the thing that I think because
people thought it was real allthe way through yeah they were
taking out full page ads like wehave found this footage we're
gonna release the film even whenit first came out I was thinking
maybe this is real I mean theywere doing so well with that.
SPEAKER_06 (56:22):
And it was very like the the the beginning of it the
first 75% of it is just verypulling the woods and then all
of a sudden the last what 12 1518 minutes of it skinny as heck
like really quick.
SPEAKER_04 (56:40):
And that last scene where the camera just falls over
and it's in the corner oh mygosh there was no no camping for
me I'm done that will neverhappen no camping no deep water
no not but you know what you'resaying is it's you're what what
seems to scare you about themovies is what scares me about
(57:00):
life.
SPEAKER_00 (57:01):
You know I mean you know seriously and I and I've
talked to a lot of people in mywork I I do different kind of
work now and I deal with a lotof uh the sort of counseling and
some other things like that it'sthe unknown but what if the but
what ifs that get us and that'swhy we always talk about faith
of one sort as being ourdeliverance that's our belief
(57:25):
that good will win out when welose that you know when it's
when it's questionable what mayhappen is it really gonna be
awful yeah especially nowadays alot of apocalyptic stuff is is
out yeah uh the meter could befour thousand miles out there
right in the dystopian stuff andI would say why go camping like
(57:49):
off limits hotel room for meJason might be out there slicing
through your table I'll take ahotel room with air conditioning
and and a comfortable babyslamming against a tree in a
sleeping bag could happen.
SPEAKER_04 (58:01):
No not the Bates Motel I'm hurting because that
could happen too but that isthat is also the funny thing
about uh Jason or some of theseother guys is that he's just
walking very slowly and they'removing and yet he's right there.
Yes he's he's up with themdoesn't waste any energy.
SPEAKER_06 (58:19):
Although my um my cousins they live in Michigan
and they have two little kidsand they had just watched Jason
and then they said oh they weretalking about oh I can outrun
him and that kind of thing.
And literally the dad started atthe at the driveway walking real
slow and the kids had to run tothe door unlock the door shut it
and lock it back and they barelymade it when the dad just walked
(58:39):
really slow.
SPEAKER_04 (58:40):
So you think they're distressed run to the door find
the key unlock it get in shut itand you know how it is they
always fall down they alwaysfumble the keys all those things
that it was by the you know thatcat you left the dead cat's even
(59:04):
in aliens they save the cat.
SPEAKER_02 (59:07):
Oh they did I forgot that's right I haven't seen that
one in a while either sorry notaliens alien by aliens she gets
yeah the first one an alien shesaves the cat at the end.
No because she's I'm a dog guy.
SPEAKER_04 (59:21):
Yeah the dog I'd go back for Wow Will how about I
mean we are already run out oftime we've been talking for an
hour.
And our phones don't work.
And our phones yeah I know thatZach was not going to call okay
so he knew sorry I didn'tmention that.
I wanted him to come in andshare his Halloween stuff but
Will uh give us a favorite scarymovie or so or something along
(59:45):
those lines.
SPEAKER_03 (59:46):
Well when I was a kid I did not like scary movies.
I happened my first um horrormovie was at camp when I was in
sixth grade and I was not readyfor it.
At camp of all places.
Yeah it was a science camp orsomething And they showed Pet
Cemetery.
SPEAKER_06 (01:00:03):
That is a scary movie.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:04):
My wife still won't watch that.
Oh, yeah.
That was my first introductionto scary movies.
And I laughed at that.
And I had a cat that looked justlike that cat.
You know, that they buried orwhatever.
So I didn't watch scary moviemovies for a long, long time
because my overactiveimagination would take over and
I would start dwelling on oneimages I saw.
(01:00:27):
It really wasn't until the umthe shutdown, the pandemic, that
I started watching horror moviesand loving them.
But uh it's funny we mentionedThe Shining earlier.
I love that movie so much.
I love all the the suspensefulHitchcock movies, and we put a
(01:00:47):
lot of that um that music isunderscoring in our current
play.
But we were uh working on afight scene, and in Irma Vet,
the crazy housemaid chases uhthe new bride with an axe around
the house.
And at one point I was like,hold on a minute.
This is a golden opportunity.
(01:01:09):
When she chases you into thekitchen, you grab a kitchen
knife and you come out of thatdoor and you shut it and you
lock it, and she's gonna bashthrough that panel with that
axe.
I'm gonna figure it out.
So we have a shining referencethat we added in the flight.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:24):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:25):
And what's awesome is like the the maid's name is
Jane.
Oh gosh.
And at one point they call herJanie.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:33):
Here's Janie.
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:34):
That's exactly right.
And so I I researched someantique doors, and I built a
fake door with a fake balsa woodpanel.
And I had to sacrifice twoclipboards, you know, chopped
them off to hold it in from theback side.
And so we've prepped, we'vepainted all these balsa wood
panels so that at that point hecan take his axe and literally
(01:01:55):
chop through the door, punchthrough, stick his face in, and
say, Here's Janie.
Good for you.
Yeah.
And what's awesome is that thewhole audience gets it.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
At first, they're like, Is thisa shiny way?
Oh, it is.
Yes.
That's great.
So great.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02:14):
Oh, that is great.
So uh now we've come fullcircle.
He's talking about the playagain.
And we can wrap up the show.
We could go longer with this.
We ought to have Don, you gottacome back because we barely even
scratch the surface.
There's a lot of other moviesand stories.
Uh we we need to get Will Willin more than one time a year,
too.
We'll we'll uh we'll have youback before the end of the
(01:02:35):
school year so we can talk aboutthe how the renovations go.
Sure.
Yeah.
Love to.
But I mean it's always greathaving having him come in.
We always get some good laughs.
Winston, with an educationalapproach.
Makes me feel like intelligentmovies.
Excellent.
I'm gonna watch those movies.
SPEAKER_06 (01:02:53):
I took a couple of them down.
I said no.
SPEAKER_04 (01:02:57):
I think theater of blood is gonna be first on your
theater of blood.
On ice.
It is on TV right now.
It's on Tubi.
Didn't I take it on the so manyideas?
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:07):
I I don't know.
I've just feel like it's a partof my past.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:16):
Make it a musical, put it on ice.
Yes.
Everyone will see it.
There you go.
Get another grant.
SPEAKER_04 (01:03:22):
But um but yeah, the play goes on um this weekend
again.
It's what, Thursday, Friday,Thursday through Sunday.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:29):
Okay.
And we're excited for theHalloween night show,
especially.
And we normally don't doSaturday night, so if you are
looking for good seats, Saturdaynight is probably the best one
because there's a you know thefewer uh more seats available
for Saturday night.
But it's a it's a lot of fun.
Everybody who's seen it has hada great time and just marveling
at at the antics of these twoguys.
(01:03:50):
And um I normally get boredwatching plays that I have
directed.
I'm kind of tired of them, youknow.
Not this one.
Correct.
I look forward to it everysingle time.
SPEAKER_04 (01:04:00):
Yeah.
You probably see somethingslightly different every single
time with all that.
I absolutely do.
All right, that's uh the mysteryof Irma Vep, the Milltown
Players, Milltown Players.org toget your tickets.
Will thanks for joining usagain.
And uh Don, yeah, thanks forjoining us.
Thank you so much for watchingmovies with you and your son
there holding up production onmajor films.
(01:04:21):
That's nice to know.
Um and Winston, of course,anytime you want to drop by next
door here um and be on a show.
Absolutely.
Certainly, certainly welcome.
I've always wanted to do kind ofa movie show type thing.
So maybe we we expand at somepoint, but we're staying after
school a lot as it is, and umnot really getting paid for it.
(01:04:42):
And uh and Holly, uh thank youfor being here.
Go watch some um some uh scarymovie.
That's why you're here, becauseif we had to be here, then you
have to be here.
SPEAKER_06 (01:04:52):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (01:04:53):
But no, it's been a blast.
It's been a blast.
Thank you guys.
That's why I went by so quick.
We took no breaks whatsoever.
We talked for an hour and sevenminutes, and hopefully uh some
people check out the uh thepodcast and uh can I plug at the
Art Center real quick?
SPEAKER_05 (01:05:08):
Oh, quick go ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:10):
They're having uh on Saturday, they have the big um
uh auction uh at the ArtsCenter, uh Anderson Arts Center.
Um and this year's uh kind oftheme is pop art.
Um you may see some famous popartists roaming around uh like
Andy Warhol.
Oh, okay.
Uh I'm not gonna say who AndyWarhol is, but uh you may see
(01:05:33):
that person there.
Uh but um yeah, no, this istheir big uh biggest fundraising
event for the year, so it's uhit should be a lot of fun.
A lot of great things to bid onand all that stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (01:05:44):
So that's Saturday night.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:46):
Yes, Saturday night, uh six o'clock.
SPEAKER_04 (01:05:48):
And it's free.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:50):
Uh no, that there uh because there's there's food and
drink and all that stuff.
Um so you do have to uh uh payfor tickets, and I forgot.
Uh AndersonArtsCenter.org.
Okay.
Uh AndersonArtcenter.org.
SPEAKER_04 (01:06:03):
Busy weekend, going to the play, going to the
Anderson Arts Center or Friday'sHalloween.
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:08):
Yep, yep.
My birthday.
Yes, your birthday's onHalloween.
SPEAKER_04 (01:06:12):
Oh, happy birthday, sir.
Of course.
And last but not least, ourstudents' Halloween special
starts tomorrow night for threestraight nights.
We've done this every year.
We have their studentproductions playing, as well as
a lot of the old time radioclassics.
So you'll hear Dracula, you'llhear Frankenstein, you'll hear
War of the Worlds and all thatstuff over the next three nights
(01:06:35):
starting tomorrow.
So we look forward to that.
But uh thanks everybody forlistening tonight, and we'll
talk to you again next time onthe Boon Show on My Pulse Radio.
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