How Bad is Godzilla 1998? Feat. Nathan Marchand

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Oh, and so I said to the doctor,Bennett. Heck I broke it.
Sean. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yougot, you got the tacos. What?
The, to no. What do you mean tacos?
We, we sent away from tacos. Remember?
Yeah. And Branson's gonna bring them.
Brenton.
A, um, speaking of Branson,taco bell, where is Branson?

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That's a good question.
I set a memo out last week.
We were supposed to be watching a movietoday and we show on time and ready to
go. Well, yeah. Where is he?
Yeah.
And then some genius decided to startpromoting the episode by putting taco
bell advertisements on the.
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Yeah,
except Branson got overly excitedand started binging on the taco bell.
Oh gosh.
I got some, some taco bell too.
I'm gonna mess homeboy.
Yes. My taco bell.
Homeboy homeboy has been camping outin the bathroom for the past week.
Uh, he, he should have learned along time ago. I got a massage.
From here. I'm eating here. Clicks, pop.

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that you are reviewing. Myfavorite Godzilla movie.
I would like you to rememberas you review this movie,
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My name is Kevin.
One of the most humble guys you hearon the show and this is the bottoms,

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So if you don't listen toanything past this point,
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you know what? You knowwhat Kevin, if you, if you want,

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you can go in the bathroom and practicethat into the mirror a couple more
times. Come, come back out. Try it again.
Okay. Kermit.
what's up, Kevin?How's it going brother?
It's going well, I just can't pronounce.You're a full home five names.
What's what's.
What's with the what's with theEuropean's obsession with Muppets,
you can called me Kermitand I always, I always,

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I always hear Gordon Ramseybeing like you Muppet.
That other voice you're hearing thatis John Jacob Jing hunter Smith.
How you .
That's my name too?
Yep.
He was part of the junior harvest Smith,uh, committee that, uh, was on the, uh,
that bonus episode of thebottom shelf of while back.
Lovely.
And apparently you're not hearingBranson's voice because Branson decides he
needs extended leave from taco bellbecause he can't handle the food or handle

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his bowel system.
I taught him how he taco bell years ago,but he forgotten the ways. So shame.
It.
Takes a bite out timeand he just, you know.
Took flush thing about it. Is he, he, uh,
he he's trying to cutcalories. So he only got water,
but he also wanted authentic Mexicanfood. So he got authentic Mexican water.

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That's not taco bell.
I don't know. Ithas the same effect on me.
Either one. It's nothingauthentic in taco bell.
That's a that's calorie mix right there.
Yeah. If you,
if you see a white dude with pinkand rainbow color hair and he is,
and he is telling you good vibestattoos on his arms, handing you tacos.
That is definitely not realauthentic. Mexican anyhow,
surprising that we also have aboard with us special guest Golin Nu

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extraordinaire, Nathan.
Hey.
Welcome board. Nathan. You.
Said this was French roast.Are you even drink coffee?
No.
No, we, no.
We haven't watched it yet. Wecan't pretend like we've seen it.
You realize how manytimes I've seen, maybe he.
Likes French roasts puff.
also, I, uh, I believe,
I believe Branson delivered your tacobell to monster island and gave it to

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Zilla. That's why it's nothere. No. Oh, that would be it.
Apparently he's do.
And he works for Uber eats now andsomehow Zillow's learned how to order.
I'm not sure. not,not sure how that works,
but it's pretty easy to theprobably probably, but then again,
I've seen lots of weirdthings on monster island.
Although I did not comehere from monster island.

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I was at all monstersattack in Indianapolis.
Suddenly I'm getting a callfrom Jimmy who says, Hey,
I just heard from that crazy Irishmanthat we're needed at planet geekery okay,
fine. Come get me interruptmy convention. Sure. Whatever.
And then he flies the SMoonlight S Y three over here,
Lantis scares the head a out of everybodyand then flies me here. I'm like,

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oh yes, I get to be on the bottom shelf.And then he told me why. I'm like, oh.
.
.
For those of you who areNathan here is the, uh,
the host of the Mo island film vault,
which is a 97 podcastpodcast coming from, uh, I.
Have that disease.
so there's a podcast where youguys can get all the, uh, all your gut,

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all your giant monster, uh,mayhem news from so Kevin,
what do you have for us, Steve? Okay.
Hang, hang, hang on.Hang on a quick second.
I can't let an opportunity likethis. Pass me by you need, I,
I need you to settle an argumenthere for me, Nate, if you could. Uh.
It's not.
The question. The.
First it's not a Puma.
The first question, the firstquestion that I have is,

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is Kalu a Kaiju.
Short answer. Yes. All right.
I disagree.
But the second question is whowould win in a fight between
Kalu and Godzilla?
For those of you who arewondering what's happening,
Nathan currently ishaving a mental breakdown.
His eyes are rolling to the back ofhis head as he processes this moment in

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time.
Know that much Gazi win. I'm sure the be.
Quarter.
This is, this has been an ongoingargument between Kevin and I and I just.
Well, God, let's band more on movie.He's more fandoms and he's more,
more loved in some, um.
I mean I've seen Godzilla take outsome pretty crazy things. I mean,
king Gura may as well be in older horror.

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And although Godzilla neededhelp both the time to beat him.
Kalu lives in multiple realities. I mean.
Have you seen well.
While he's living in multiplerealities, listen, even this reality.
And let's talk about a movie that Iactually have right here that below the
dumpster. How about we do that?
Do you need a hug, Kevin?
No, because right now you'reside distracting from the original conversation.

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and it will godown some tunnel. I.
Do have a friend who might be able toanswer that question for you though. John,
his name is Ryan. He goes bythe Omni viewer on YouTube.
Did a whole panel about this on at GFAS.
Oh yeah. Yeah. He's a cool guy.One day. I like to meet him.
So Kevin, what do you got for bud?
Oh, right. You print a screwheads. Review Godzilla.

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Since you already know what it is.
All.
Right. Yeah. He says, um.
Kevin been watching armyof darkness recently.
When has Kevin never stoppedwatching over of darkness?
That too bar podcast at the sametime. Exactly. This is my booms stick.
So, so on this movie, let me see right.

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Here. Smart shop S smart, smart.
I got my VHS right here, SIS fromthe crass of independence day,
Godzilla size does matter. Youcould be taken so many ways.
It's big. It's loud and it's funby Joel Siegel. Good morning.
I could also be taking so manyways. What crap. Let me see.
On the back on the back of this VHS,

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this says Godzilla's is backbigger and much better than ever.
It's size, defies, comprehension,and expertly designed theme park,
ride of a movie that packs nonstopthrills one jaw dropping scene.
After another, the film never losesanother momentum or its human scale.
That's not really saying much. Thisis like saying this is the direct, um.

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Kevin, Kevin, Kevin,let me see that, that.
Box coming from a movie.
Me say that box.
No, this is mine. I, this is mine. Thisis my dumpster. You stay over there.
I'm just saying, let me, I'mjust saying I have the same one.
Of.
This vs. I have the same one andthere's no plot synopsis on the back.
Okay. I'm just wondering like what, whodoes not put a plot? So on the back,
I mean, yes, it's Godzilla, but.

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In there defense, the firstphysical media release of Batman 89,
didn't do it either.
Okay. Well, um, well thisfilm was released worldwide.
The 20th may of 1998 runs two hours in19 minutes and it's for PG 13 for a CGI
dinosaur action, violent,
some language dumb sex jokes inthe outdated Barney to clip. So.

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Tell us how you really.
I'm just saying what's phrase PG 13for it's directed RO by Roman Emrick by
who.
Haven't been in Ireland. Th 13 means.
13. It is directed by ROEmerick produced. Yeah. See,
we're already here for some, um, youknow, some heat braces jokes too,
while we're assets. It is directed byRoman. Emerick produced by Dean Devlin,

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screenplay by Dean Devlin and Roman Emer.
While they crypto names clearlyacross this whole board,
music is done by David Arnold. Someone.
Else wanted to be.
Involved with it.
How about you read the back ofthis VHS catch while you're at it?
Do you.
Need a hug? The music? MyGod. I'm trying to speak.
The music is done by David Arnold. Ifyou don't know who David Arnold is,
he has done music formany Dan's bond movies.

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And I think he did one ofthe Narnia films as well.
I think so.
That's pretty impressive.
I, the film, yeah, he, I think hedid for like seven James Bond films.
He did the good ones. Yeah.Well he also did some bad.
Ones here. He's poor mans,Danny Elfman it's but.
Yeah. Yeah. It's starring Matthewbla face Leon, the professional razz.

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More winning more the.
Minutes.
.
Maria career killer. Patillo and .
Okay. Do I need to let you guys takea breath or something? Oh, good. No,
keep going. Keep, okay. Starring Leon,
the professional Razzi award-winningMary Patillo. Kevin. Dunit all.

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I cast him the Simpsons,
some of the Asian fighters from bigtrouble in little China and a lot of fish.
.
I love you, Kevin. Kevin, you are my hero.
I love you too. okay.I'm glad to be everyone's hero.
Oh my gosh. That's so.
So here's something I've foundalso in the back of this case, it,
it says it's the winner two RAsfor best supporting actress and be,

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and worst remake reaching a load ofcheap racist jokes that David Bowie cover
song millions of gallons of recycledNew York city water, bad coffee buns,
and retaining more angry fans thanstar wars, Piqua and sequels combined.
That was for my brother.
He wanted me to write that down andgive that to you guys. I was like, okay,
I'll do that just for youJericho. So love you Jericho.
Your brother's name is seriouslyJericho. That is amazing.

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yep.
And my middle name is Joshua and myparents always made a joke of it my entire
life growing up. And hestill will until did.
You March around himall the time? .
Yep.
Seven times every day. Around 10.
No, not seven times every day. Justone time a day. And then he punched me.
Oh, no. Jerk will fought back. Ohmy gosh. All right, well let's,
let's start talking aboutthis film so, uh,

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we got some taglines,uh, for the film. Ooh.
Taglines. Let's hear, let's hear, do.
The worst from our viewers on, uh,on Instagram and on, uh, Facebook,
which if you're not followingthose platforms, I'll encourage you guys to do it.
Uh, Kevin is our best.
Because if you're a real Christian,
you would follow that only realChristians follow these pages.

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So Kevin here is a master Meer and hemakes some great memes. And so, um,
but we have some, uh, sometaglines that you amazing, uh,
bottom sheers have provided. Uh,one is here. These are these,
uh, said in the tacobell, uh, Chihuahua voice.
That was the best part of the movie.Um, that really was, I'm not gonna lie.

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The commercials were my favorite, uh,Godzilla, not as bad as you remember.
Oh, Godzilla Zillow, 2000.
Think outside the bondwrong movie. I, I.
Think.
I was about to say, I think they gotthe wrong movie for that one because.
.
I'd like,
I don't even watch ki I don't evenwatch Kaiju and I know Godzilla 2000 is

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something completely different.
True story. God Zillow 2000 has myfavorite line and God Zillow film.
There's this general talking aboutthis new weapon. And he goes,
this missile will go through God'sill, like crap through a goose,
like crap through a goose goose.That's only done by the way.
It's it's and it's amazing. Yeah. I loveit. Yeah. So I might have to make a,
a shirt with that too. All right. Um,
we didn't know how to politicizea giant lizard punching things.

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I, I, I understand that historyshows us again and again,
how Hollywood is fol of men, Godzillablue oyster cult. Maybe .
Okay. Yay.
I understood that. Right? I need.
To know who I, I need, I needDallas. Yes. Who wrote that one? Oh.
Lemme pull it up. Lemme pull it up.
I, I need, I need toknow that person's name.

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Kristy refill and Z Peeky.
Little bit there. Uh, John, whenyou were yelling that's because.
I was shouting. Got, wegot little too excited.
I was shouting directly intomy diaphragm on my microphone.
Your diaphragm's.
Excite as over his microphone.
No. To all bottom shell fans make Johnhappy, send more music references.

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It was um, Jonathan Gilbert.
Jonathan Gilbert, ifyou're out there listening,
I just want to acknowledge the factthat you have won this episode today.
for me, that's.
According to John.
So no matter what happens,
I just want everybody to know that nomatter what happens beyond this point in

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the, in the show where that referencewas made, it's all downhill after this.
You may as well just shut. Justshut the show off right now,
because it's not gonna be any better thansomeone making a blue oyster or cult.
Reference. All right. Well,Nathan, thanks for joining us.
We appreciate you being on theshow. Hope people can enjoy.
See mate.
All right. We have, uh, theSaturday morning cartoon was better was that's true.
This is, this is the truth. Uh, oh.

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So you've guys seen this before.Okay. You know, let's keep going.
How many more telos are there?
All right. Uh, just when you thoughthe would, uh, quit Americanizing stuff,
are we would've quitAmerican size and stuff? Uh,
this isn't your father's Godzilla.In fact, it's not anybody's Godzilla.
That is actually untrue.
.

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And then, uh, our buddy Mike, uh,who was on our mortal combat episode,
says that one movie that spent millionsupon millions in marketing alone.
Oh, good Lord. And,uh, boy, did they ever,
this was one of the first times the peoplelearned the hype is not real.
uh, from the Instagram side, we have,we're going to need a lot of fish.

(16:20):
And then, uh,
we have one more from an interestingindividual named the dapper, the diaper,
man. I don't know. it says,
I think you'll need a bigger dumpster.
That's what the subtitleson YouTube say when .
Yeah.
There's an issue with, uh,
the subtitles reading Kevin and he saidgood evening hundred Derman and I would

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think he was saying the diaper man.
Every single time.
So I think you'll need a bigger dumpster.I think he's telegraphing here guys.
Just.
A little, just, just the time. I didn'trewrote that someone else wrote that.
Oh my gosh. Somebody having triviawrote quick, briefly about the film I,
this was, we got,
this was actually a permutation ofa much more interesting project.

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I can tell you that there,
John Daut was trying to get aGodzilla film made in the mid
nineties with special effects byStan Hyde, not Stan Hyde. Excuse me,
Stan Winston. I get those names mixed up.
Sometimes Stan Hyde is a guyinvolved with G Fs, sorry,
but it fell through unfortunately.
And if you look up the scriptor the concept art, uh,

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for that version of Godzilla,it was so much more interesting.
all right. Cool.Any other trivia, John?
Well, I pull this out a dumpster, John. I,
I know how much you love tolook up IMDB. How about you?
Tell us the trivia from IMDB, John.
I got more. If you wanted. I.
See with that lead in with thatlead in you big jerk. No, no,

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I will not do it. I'm not doingit. Never again. No more trivia.
Let on the show. Nope. Goahead. Nope, it's done.
This is the only.
It's done.
Here's a little trivia. No.
More. All.
Right. I guess.
Page.
Fill this gap now. Fun fact.
Frank weer,
the famous Frank weerprovided some of the monster

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noises in this, for those who don't know,
Frank weer is a prolific voiceactor who played such characters as
Slimer and Metron andjust to make it even Nu I.
Thought he was an actual monster.
Yeah.
And just to make it even nuttier rumorhas it that his rival Peter CU voice
of optimist prime did animalnoises for king Kong in the 1976

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remake. Really? So wheneverthey're talking to, to each other,
it is arguably God's all versus conyeah, I get that. I get that. Okay.
Sweet. Well, I feel likethat's all the tri for today.
it's becauseJohn has failed you. No,
John hasn, no.
John hasn't failed us.
Kevin's hit bad buttonslike he does. All right.

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Does expectations guys going in tosee this again? And I say again,
because I know every oneof us have seen this.
I see the lick of despairin our eyes. What?
I never seen.
The show before. One of those secret,
I saw this twice in a movie theateronce when it came out and once for
riff tracks. So what is yourexpectations for today's episode?

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For the today's viewing? It's not gonnachange. I have my opinions about this.
It's not exactly what you mightthink it would be, but I don't,
I don't expect it to change at all.I'm not sure what you're saying, guys.
that I, I, this iscalled teasing for the episode.
Okay. Kevin.

(19:40):
Uh, um, expectations, expertise.
I've seen this movie more timesthan I can actually count.
So I have my thoughts and I've save himto throughout this episode, the end,
possibly.
Wow. Oh, wow.
This is gave the, he gave the exactsame answer that Nate did, except.
I know, right? This is like, youguys aren't getting us nothing here.
This is the most least expectationexpectations. We've overhead.
When have I given you a goodexpectation of anything? I,

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I don't even like expectationsbecause if I've never seen, I don't.
Know. He doesn't have great expect. I.
Have, I do know.
I mean, he's European. So,uh, so John, how about you,
your expectations?
Um, I've never seen this movie before.
I'm sorry. Really? ,I'm really surprised by that.
Um, you know, it just.

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It's what happens when all you easeDios and CHG down monster drinks,
you miss something.
Life. What? Bro.
I'm so confused.
Hurry up, John, say it say.
Well, I would, but I've got some.
Let's calm down a little bit.Let's calm down a little bit, John,
what are your expectations? I'm sensinga lot of hostility here. I just, yeah,
it happens.

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Uh, but this came out at a, ina period of time I was getting,
I think I was a junior in highschool and I was that kid who,
if something was popular,
I would proceed to not do that thingbecause everybody else was doing that
thing. Oh.
So you're a hipster. Got it.
Uh, no,
actually at the time I was acrossbetween what I call a Manson night.

(21:07):
Mm-hmm , you know, if youremember the whole Marilyn Manson kids,
I was across betweenthat and a gutter punk.
Well, I'm glad you wererescued out of the cult.
Mm-hmm.
Okay. So you just weren'tinvolved with this at all?
No, it's it's like, oh,it's a popular thing.
That's going to ruin one of thebest led Zeppelin songs ever.
That was puff daddy's fault orP Diddy or whatever name he's

(21:31):
using nowadays. I can't keep track.
P puffy poop, daddy, uh.
Just a magic dragon. That song. No.
uh, but no, and,and so it was just like, it,
it ruined cash me and it, uh, you know, I,
I, when everybody, aftereverybody got done seeing it,
no one seemed to really be excitedabout having seen it after the fact.

(21:55):
So I just didn't see a reasonto include myself in that crowd.
That makes sense. I'll giveyou that. I will tell you this.
It didn't do the franchiseany favors when it came
out, it shut it, it killed it for gooda little bit. I know that. Yeah. I, I,
uh, so my, I got stuff totell you about why ,
let's just say I have a book ofscholarly essays on the Godzilla

(22:18):
franchise. This does, it did ha thestart of the essay on this movie,
the first line is simplyGodzilla fans hate this movie.
and then my expectations going are
my expectations going in todayare, um, cautious at best. Um,
I have like, Kevin, I've seen this morethan I could probably tell you. Um,

(22:42):
I did watch it in theaters as akid, uh, as 14 year old Dallas.
Um, I have seen it several times.Uh, as you guys heard the top show,
this is my wife's favorite Godzillafilm. Um, she needs to be educated.
I I'm just saying she needsmore Godzilla films in her life.
We have watched all the showera, Kevin, um, and, uh,

(23:03):
I'm working through the Hassayright now. And so, yeah.
but for the uninitiated,that's said, when he says show up,
those are the films from the fiftiesto the seventies. Hey say is,
what is the name for the series?That's the eighties and nineties. Yes.
That being said, I haveto be sensitive to,
this has to do with whicheveremperor was raining at the time,

(23:24):
because that's how the Japanese keeptrack of years. That's their calendar.
That's true story. It's all aboutthe leadership. But, uh, but yeah,
so I'm going into this, um, knowingfull well, what I'm getting into,
and if I turn off my brain, my analyticalbrain, and I just have fun with it.
I will enjoy it today. Um, so that'sthat, that was where my expectations.

(23:45):
What we turn off our brainswhile watching a movie.
I don't ever remember doing that before.
Cause you turned it offyour brain to remember it.
.
Did he, does he ever turnthe, turn it on? I'm not sure.
Oh, believe me. Kevin has it goingon often his brain is going okay.
So it's Sean, who neverremembers to turn it on. Got it.

(24:05):
No, John, he, he has his brain onmore than he allows people to let on.
He just sends to a side andwatch like ha plot device here.
John's got his, John's got his, brain'slike a diesel. It just goes, you,
it doesn't actually stop. You forgetthat. It's there until it wraps up.
I do too.
if I, you and it bitesyou in your rear, it's like, whoa,

(24:26):
where did that came from? It's like,ha ha you remember this? It's like, oh.
Crap. So when John Head, but youit's a fender bender. Got it.
that's fair. That's fair.All right guys. Well, let's uh,
let's go. And, uh,watch a movie about, uh,
giant lizard year lizard.
Lizard. Let's do it glitch. Let's play it.

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Dear listeners. This isyour opportunity to escape.
Our crew has just entered intothe media projection chamber.
What horrors and matters that theyconsumer unknown their mental state upon
their attorneys. Unknown.You have been warned.
You know, that bad feeling I get whensomething really bad is about to happen.

(25:13):
Uh, I'm getting thatfeeling right now, man.
Why didn't you have it before we went in?
Okay. This, this movie failed to answerone question that it, that it brought.
Up. Here's that bad feeling, man.
What's that one question, John.
How do you go from theprofessional to this movie?
I think there might havebeen a few things in between
desperation. No breathing.

(25:36):
Did did is that guy like theFrench version of Nicholas cage?
Oh, Hey. Hey, there will beno ill talk of Sean Reno.
The best actor in this movie.
I dunno, the rain was pretty prevalentactor in the, in the movie. This is true.
I .
So, so what you're saying isit, it was filmed in Shreveport.

(25:57):
Yes. . Believe it or not. Itrains in more places than Shreveport, uh,
quite often.
So, and I think this hadmore pothole something.
One of have more potholes inShreveport so,
alright. Let's get into it. Um, that.
That was the sound ofKevin realizing words.

(26:17):
That sound the same don'tnecessarily mean the same thing.
all right. So.
One letter makes all thedifference in the world.
We're getting into our conversation,spoiler free conversation, uh,
about the film things. We likedthings that we didn't like about it.
I got something I wanna say about it.Uh, and that is this watching the film.
I kept getting these weird vibes of, uh,

(26:40):
that reminded me of Stargateand independence day.
And then I looked at thedirector and I realized, oh,
it's the guy that did Stargatein independence day. It's the,
the same team basically. And so I waslike, this makes so much sense. Yeah.
At this point, I like those movies better.Yeah. Most people do at this point,
the both of these guys, becauseof independence, they were,

(27:03):
they were the hot stuff in Hollywood atthis point because independence day was
this massive hit. So they basicallycould do whatever they wanted.
As far as the studio cared.
And they inherited this Godzillaproject that had been sitting around.
Toho the original studio inJapan that created Godzilla,
was wanting to break into Hollywoodand do a Hollywood remake for a while.

(27:25):
And then it came to these guys andneither one of them cared about Godzilla,
not a lick.
And it really shows they don'tknow what they're doing with this.
They don't know how to doa proper Godzilla film.
The sad thing is if this had beencalled anything but Godzilla,
it would've faded into the nineties ether.

(27:45):
The name is the only reason anyoneever talks about anymore. To be honest,
I don't know if anyone here hasseen this, what this really is,
as far as I care, an old, but name isa remake of beast from 20,000 fathoms.
Has anyone ever seen thatfrom 1953? Uh, 52. Is it 52?
53?
Yes. Yes. I, I, I agree withthat. Yeah. It is very much, it's.

(28:06):
Much.
More.
It's much more something like that,
which ironically beast and 20,000 fathomsinspired their, the original Godzilla.
Well, its one of theinspirations for it. So they're.
So that's your non-sportpart, right? Yeah.
Basically. Oh.
Okay. I just wanna make sureI don't go too far mate.
Okay. So, so I'm justgonna say, I am like,

(28:28):
I am not a Kew fan. Yeah.Like I'm not anti Kaiju. I am.
You could say I'm Kaiju curious.
.
Uh, so.
Hey, who let Brenton in?
No one was singing. Um.
Branson is still having a taco bellwith Zillow over on monster island

(28:52):
at this point.
Do that.
Uh, and maybe a Chihuahua. I don't know.
Oh that this mightexplain my pod in the, uh,
Gundo watchepisode anyway. Um, but no,
I ha I had no frame ofreference to, uh, well,
I have little frame ofreference to compare this to specifically Godzilla movies

(29:15):
cuz the only other Godzilla movies Ihave watched up to this point is the
2004 God's was it 2004 or 2006?
You mean 2014?
Whatever.
With the COVID with, withuh, with uh, breaking bed.
Yeah. COVID COVID has completelyruined my mental calendar.
Yeah. That was 2014.
And so okay. I, you know, whatever,

(29:38):
it still feels like it's 20,21 um, anyway, is that,
and then Godzilla king of the monsters.
From 2019 or 1956?
Uh, 2019.
Yeah. So that's allsame, same universe. Um.
So, so those are my only other twoGodzilla references, although no,
I te I, I tell a lie, uh,

(30:00):
back in the ninetieswhen I was home sick, um,
I was watching, uh,
one of those old movie stations andthey were playing Godzilla versus Mora.
From 1992 or 1964. .
64.
Oh wow. Okay.
It was black and white.
No, that's not in blackand white. Your TV on.
His television.

(30:20):
It was, was not black andwhite your teeth. Well, I.
Was, I was sick and I probably was oncold medicine. So like I said, I only.
So what you're telling me is you onlywatch God's Zillow films while on drugs.
Got it.
No, he.
Was right beside us. He.
Didn't look like he was on any drugs.

(30:40):
He says that because he hasn'tconsidered this to be a Godzilla film.
So .
Oh, I, I get it. Apparently he doesn't,
he doesn't consider the moderateChronicles to be a Godzilla film either.
so yeah, that's the thing.So you're with all that being said,
you're not Kaiju uh, necessarily Kewfamily, not against it. What, what was.

(31:02):
Your I'm not, I'm not against, uh,well, it's just, I don't have a,
I don't really have much of a basis tocompare this to other Godzilla movies.
So I had to watch it in, in the, uh,
from the prospect of just beingwhat I know about Kaiju in general,
which basically composed is of all themovies I've I've recently mentioned.
Right. Plus Cloverfield. Yeah.

(31:22):
Okay. Okay. So.
And it just felt bland.
Yeah. I'm gonna be, I'm gonnatell you this right now there,
this is generally speakinghated in the Godzilla
fandom and there's all ofthese fanboy reasons for it.
And I understand the fanboy complaintsabout this, which we'll get into,

(31:42):
but for me,
the biggest problem that thismovie has is it's a bad without
spoilers. What? Without spoilers.Yeah. Without spoilers. It's a,
it's a bad nineties. Blockbuster.That is its greatest sin. Yeah.
This is, this is like the movie wildwild west with will Smith. You know,
a lot of sizzle, little stake.

(32:03):
I'll say this. Um,
without avoiding spoilers, therewas a, uh, there was a, uh,
a scene in it where, um,the professional was, uh,
drinking coffee and he, uh,um, he holds up and he's like,
this is French. I thought those,uh, he goes, I thought he said,
this was French roast. He goes,it is French roast. And he goes,

(32:23):
gimme more creamer. And uh, to make ittolerable, that's what they felt like.
It was like, like Godzilla film saw this,like I thought this was Goz and he go,
it is Godzilla. And they're like,
let's just throw more crap in itto fill it out because product.
Placement. Yeah.
We can't make this actually like Godzilla.
So let's just put stuff in it to beas horrible as possible. Yeah. See,
here's the other thing. And Ithink David Callo, that book,

(32:45):
I was mentioning where that startedwith Godzilla fans hate this movie.
He actually, I think really articulatedwhy like the heart of the issue,
why Godzilla fans hate this movie.
And that is because this came out ata time where the Godzilla franchise
did not have a very good reputation.
It was just considered to bekidsy schlock with bad dubbing

(33:07):
and, and all of that, all of thatsort of stuff. Be great stuff.
Why does anyone care about this? But youknow, but the Godzilla fans were like,
no, there's more to it thanthat. Okay. Let me explain.
But no one was being openand minded enough for the most part, to hear that out.
Suddenly we get wind of a big budget,
Hollywood version coming out and they'relike, now I can actually show them.

(33:27):
This is why it's cool.
And then it comes out and it reinforceseverything just with a bigger budget.
And then at that point, no one reallywas taking the franchise seriously.
so right. That, sothere, so that's what it is.
It reinforced the negativestereotypes and killed any chances
of non Kaiju fans,

(33:48):
finding any interest in this and theninspired Toho to make a new series of
movies a few, uh,
a year later that basically takeat least one shot at this movie and
every single one and it wasamazing. Yeah. It was amazing shot.
Now let me ask you this or not Kevin,uh, Nathan, um, cuz you would know,
um, was there a syndication rightsthat became available of the show era

(34:11):
Godzilla films?
Because the last half of the show eraof Godzilla was the most campy versions.
I, in my opinion, I feel like theHassay era is not that campy. And,
but it seems like,
like when you talk to people aboutGodzilla and they think back about it,
like it's those older ones thatwere just really terrible, like was,
was America just flooded with the, withthe syndication of those or something.
Yeah. They, several ofthem didn't go to theaters.

(34:33):
They were premiered on television.
Sometimes the dubs that were usedwere often of questionable quality,
mostly because like onceyou got to the seventies,
they weren't even the American studiosthat were distributing them weren't even
dubbing them themselves. And theywould actually get professional actors,
you know, to make it sound nice,actually have decent scripts after that,

(34:53):
it was just the international dubs thatToho would commission in Hong Kong.
And if you've been in the animescene and the foreign film scene long
enough, you know, Hong Kong dubsare a crapshoot so,
so they, so they were just so thatdidn't help their reputations at all.
And yeah, there were other complicatingfactors like shrinking budgets that did

(35:16):
unfortunately make them lookworse, but there were still,
I would say a lot of gems,
especially if you get 'em in the originalJapanese with good subtitles right in
that second half of the show era.Okay. Gotcha. All right, Kevin,
you got any spoiler free thoughtsbefore we get into this and really start
diving into this conversation.Why bother is that? Nope.

(35:40):
I feel like you, I.
Feel like everything, I guesswe'll do in the spoiler.
How about we just get to the spoiler?
Kevin, Kevin, did your,
did your VHS of this film fall offthe shelf and kill your Chihuahua?
I'm sorry.
I hate dogs though. No. Yeah. I'mpretty sure if it, if it did, it would,
there was a that still happened to walkin my house. It would kill it. .

(36:02):
John hit the spoiler button, buddy.
Ladies and gentle the spoiler section.
So, um, one of the worst moviedialogues I've ever heard for.

(36:22):
A film, .
Look at it. It's a, it's perfect.An island water on all sides.
It's like no other islandin the world. Really? No,
no island has water around what kindof island doesn't have water around?
I was born on an island in key west.Yes. I know what an island looks like.
Bro. When you're reading that, I was like,

(36:43):
the first thing that went through my mindwas like they're basically describing
Ireland. No. And then I just, then I.
Every Ireland. Yeah.
No, no, no. Hang on. Hang on. Uh, andthen the thought went through my head,
like what would a, what wouldan Irish Godzilla movie be like?
And would it start that guyfrom uh, uh, fatal deviation?

(37:03):
.
Nope. Nope. Just pay everyone off ofbeer instead of money. Okay. So Hey.
You dude. I,
I kind of wanna see that guy from fataldeviation in a Godzilla movie. Now.
You know what? I forgot to sing youthe CA the Irish Kagy movie. There's.
An, there's.
The Kaji.
Movie. I'm curious. I am curious.I, I, I understand Kevin.

(37:26):
I understand Kevin.
Just all come at andattack me. I went chew
all of you. Oh. At once.
Bro. You gotta warn somebody beforeyou throw a hand grenade in a row.
A hand grenade.
Goodness, light Irish kg, Fu movie.
God knows what's happeningwith an Irish Godzilla film.

(37:48):
It's not an Irish God Zillow film.
It's it's, it's calledattack of the killer potato.
Wow. A funny, okay, well.
Oh my gosh.
Um, yeah, I mean, you know,
a monster that's this size is Kaju and.
They, you lose it andthen there's the big.

(38:09):
They can't find it.
And then there's the big crossoverthat they did with their neighbors in
Scotland, where it was killerto potatoes versus Nesti.
I mean.
I'm not talking about the Scotts in thispodcast. Okay. I'm I'm here to keep it.
Hey, Hey, I used to keep it that way.
I used to have a boss whowas half Scottish, but it,
and he only acted Scottish whenhe was drunk. I'm just saying,

(38:32):
so here's my spoiler. Uh,thoughts about the film? Um,
the, the Godzilla firebreath was terrible. Um,
I don't think that counts that was terrible. I think that was,
I think that was belt a belch thatwould accidentally light on fire. Like.
I,
I would be inclined to believe thatbecause Godzilla doesn't have fire breath.

(38:54):
He has atomic breath. I'm not a,I'm not a K GWE. And I know that.
like, it was just terrible theway they added that in there. I'm like,
what is this joke? Well, you wannaknow why? Well, apparently they had.
To add it in say, whenthey saw the breath.
It got work got out that they weren'tgonna do the fire breath, the radio,
the atomic breath, andthen they're like, fine.

(39:15):
And then they just threw it and thenthey threw it in there and right in a
couple of spots to make Def French happy.Yeah. It didn't make man Kevin happy,
lost your Irish accent rightthere. Just now buddy. .
So like legit. I,
I know I'm not the guy totalk about Godzilla, but the,

(39:36):
the first thing that irked me about thismovie happened literally in the first
sequence, which is where theysuggest that Godzilla is just an IRA,
came from an irradiated,iguana egg. Like I,
I saw that it was in the opening creditsis when is when they sequenced this
out and it just, it startedme out just like, please. No,

(39:57):
don't, no, don't do that. I.
Kevin, why are you laughing at that buddy?
I, and the,
my issue with this isn't becauselike I work in the medical field,
I know what radiation does.And it's just like, no,
this is not how it works.
Bra, do you,
do you not understand that this comesfrom old school science fiction and comic

(40:20):
book logic where radiation is magic.
Radiation. I, I get, Iget that incredible whole,
except it's it's out of, it'scompletely out of place in,
uh, in, even in 1998,when this was put out,
it it's out of place becausenobody believed that at that point,
like it made sense in the 1950s stuff.But, but to be fair because in 19.

(40:44):
To be fair, John, this is like,when this SCR was really written,
people were still riding the high offreaking captain planet and everything
related to nuclear power had tobe high to enjoy capital planet
or, or six, like I was. And so,
but everything related to nuclear powerwas evil and did weird crap like that.

(41:05):
Also, I want to go on record as saying,
having the redhead be the guywho played the fire ring was
inappropriate.
Oh my gosh, Kevin, what aresome of your, more of your, uh,
spoiler filled thoughts?
How many Steven Spielberg referencesdid you guys get in this film?
Uh, we're uh, we need bigger guns.

(41:26):
Okay. The, you know, I catch,I didn't count them, but the,
the fact of it is, is this didfeel very spiel Bergy oh, it.
Wanted to be S Spielberg,
but it is not S Spielberg what were you saying, Kevin?
He has a secret love affair that he reallydesires to have even Spielberg on his
side. Because like anytime he does a movie,

(41:48):
he's got to imitate StephenSpielberg, even his earlier films,
because this one, like the threeboats going into the Walter,
that was the no to the, um,
the three barrels that went into waterwith jaws and it bought back out,
we need the bigger guns. You gonnaneed the bigger boat, the footprint,
which is like the Jurassicpark thing, by the way,

(42:08):
that footprint scene and the beginningof the Matthew bro truck walks inside
that always bugged a livingcrap outta the, still does.
This whole.
Movie single time.
This whole movie wants to go.
On. John, what would you say, John?
It really does what.
You say, John.
Oh, no. I was about to say, I havethoughts about that footprint too. I,
yeah. Does it.

(42:29):
Perfect ratio? Isn't it?
Who hunts? I.
I don't hunt, but I, I know how, when I'm,
when I'm camping outsidelooking at tracks on animals.
Okay. Then, then you'll understandthis Kevo. But I mean, if,
if you're ever out in the woods andyou're trying to track an animal,
or you come across animal tracks and youlook down to try to figure out whatever

(42:49):
it was. Yeah.
Because I wanna know there's a bearnearby or what kind of Bobcat it.
Is. There's multiple. There's gonnabe a multiplicity of depth and,
uh, consistencies across the footprint.First of all. And second of all,
it's never gonna be a perfectinlay because the things in motion.
So I looked at this thing andeverything was a square cut down for

(43:14):
like three feet. Like there's no,
there's no ridges going down in there to,
to give the idea of impressionor movement. But no, it looked,
it literally looked like it was justcarved out of the ground with a backhoe.
Like they had rent, theyhad rented it for, you know,
six hours to make the footprint and theyhad to get it back and get shooting.

(43:36):
I, I think the same guys who madethe crop circles did this one. Ah,
that's very possible torespond to John with that one.
You could argue it's an homageto the original Godzilla film,
cuz they did the same thing there twothat's the least of this movie's problem.
Problem.
Look better in the blackand white in this one.
Oh yeah. But I mean it it's, Kevin'scorrect. It's a, it's an early,

(43:59):
it's a early warning sign in this movieabout what the special effects are gonna
be in this movie. They're I mean,they're passable if you don't have eyes,
but
the effects in this movie weren'tspecial is the point I make. I get.
That I, the CGI has aged horribly. Yes.
However I do not.

(44:21):
Just the CGI sir. The, the, the, thegreen screen effects that they use in.
There also true. Also true.
This was one of the first movies whereI remember hearing people talking about
how setting things at night with raidis trying to hide bad, special effects.
I'm like, you know what? Sometimespeople do it because it's moody,
but whatever, I understandit with this, however,
I will make the argument that thepractical effects in this still hold up.

(44:45):
Practical effects typically do.If you got someone running them,
that knows what they're doing. Well.
Fun fact, in fact, they almost, uh,had a guy in a suit for this Godzilla.
They did make a suit and theydid do some test footage with it,
but they ended up not using it.
They should have, they shouldhave done mocap with, with, uh,
I just lost his name.
Andy circus and.
Andy circus. They should have donemocap with Andys for Godzilla in.

(45:09):
This.
CIR has actually did coach themocap actors for the monster
verse films. For what I hear.
That's the reason why they're good. Ish.
Mm-hmm and then youhad the Velo of Raptor references,
the Don story producing XX,
hopefully sexually the water vibrationscene, the door opening scene.
Yeah. But at least theydidn't need a pregnancy test,

(45:29):
a human pregnancy test to figurethat out in Jurassic park.
Yeah. Because that science.
Science.
I wish you beat me to a, a jerk.
that's how scienceworks. I mean, I, I get,
this is science fiction. I getthis, but you know, there's.
They're leaning a little hard. Thisis I'm to fiction and not the science.

(45:50):
This is the part where I side with Johnon certain aspects. Like sometimes,
you know, you can go so far withscience fiction before you go too far.
It's like, okay. Youknow what? Yeah, sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
Can we talk about how apparently itis impossible to pronounce the name to
topless? That that was a running jokethat, that just got old very quickly.

(46:11):
That joke worked well forthe first two or three times,
but it went on like 10more times. Yeah. It's.
Like, I.
Know reason why they did it. I knowthe reason why they did it because, um,
with my DVD has a commentary. So when Ilistened to the commentary, he says how,
because he, the topless is the Patricktopless or yeah. Patrick topless,
French guy, whatever. He says that it'sgreat. People always pronounce his name.

(46:35):
They're from not here in America.Okay. Uh . And they,
they mispronounce namesand they keep like I do,
because I never pronouncedanything correctly,
but it kept mispronouncinghis name. So it was like, Hey,
we'll make this a running Jackjoke for the, um, film. Okay, cool.
But you limit yourself,
you don't overuse it because then itstarts sound like a Jerry Lewis film when

(46:55):
you overuse a joke.
That's true. That'strue. Yeah. Well, I mean,
a running problem with the filmis that they kept trying to,
they were overdoing some things withit. Like they were overdoing the use of,
of Godzilla. I, I, they knew that theirgut graphics weren't good. They knew it.
And yet they just kept pluggingit in over and over and over.
Again, they wouldn't takeGodzilla off the screen. I do.

(47:17):
You guys think that that's the reasonwhy in the 2014, there was kind of a,
a response of hold back on how muchyou see Godzilla was a response to
how much you see him and allof his babies in this one.
You know, I, well, here's, here's, here'sthe thing about that question though,
because that this movie is the directhas the direct opposite problem.

(47:39):
I don't know.
I don't know that it was aresponse in the 20 whatever
2014 movie.
I don't know if it was a direct responseto this movie with how little they
showed him. But if anybody wants toknow what it would've looked like,
if they would've showed 'em as much asthey wanted to point 'em to this movie
and, and say, this is the reasonwhy you don't do that. .

(48:01):
Okay. Here's.
Funny that you say that with all ofthe Spielberg references in this,
but Gareth Edwards whodirected the 2014 film was
actually channeling Spielberg andthat one by not showing Godzilla,
because he was inspired by jawswhere you hardly ever see the shark.
Yeah. Because which is afatter Spielberg to emulate.

(48:21):
yes. You,
you imitate his techniquesand to filming you don't
imitate the exact thing that makesa particular film. Right. Okay.
So when, um, um, with John on that,
I would say that Gareth Airwood wasreally trying to get to the more horror
route, but everyone already knew Godzilla.
So it kind of like defeats thewhole horror aspect. It works,

(48:45):
but it should've used more of the godsof the monster and that 2014 and less of
the, whatever those things were. Yeah.
Those things I show use LA far less thanthat, this one is basically just like,
if there was a 1950s, um,
sci-fi dinosaur film made in the nineties,
that's what you get from this one justmuch more in a extravaganza because the

(49:06):
1950s will always show loadsof the monsters, surprising.
It had the woman in peril. Thisone had people in per, but still.
I, I get that.
But my response to that would probablybe that this isn't the 19, they,
people weren't signing up for,for, with, with this Godzilla.
It was people weren't signing up forthe 1950s feel though. Uh, that's one,

(49:28):
that's one thing I rememberwith how it was marketed,
the spirit behind itat the time. Um, I, I,
and I have a clear memory of it becauseI think I'm the oldest person on this
show. uh, but yeah.
With pride.
Hey, I'll, I'll take it I'llwith, with age comes wisdom, sir.
You take it grandpa, allegedly.

(49:49):
You were talking about the fact thatyou have a clear memory of it being.
Oh yeah. And, and the whole thing was,this is a modernized version of Godzilla.
This is what this is Godzillais, but that was, that was,
that was how it was being pitched.
That was how was marketed.
And, and in the initialcommercials for this,
they didn't show you what Godzillalooked like at all. Yeah. The in.

(50:10):
Fact,
the first teaser trailerfor this is actually kind of brilliant if it's the one,
it, because none of this footage,
it was me ex it was basically a very shortfilm made to promote this movie where
mm-hmm, , it's the kidswith the really boring tour guide at,
at a history of, uh, at amuseum of natural history.
And then they see a TX skeletonand then they hear stomping in the,

(50:30):
in the distance.
And then God's little foot comes downand crushes the skeleton and walks away.
Yeah. And I'm like, that is good. Thatis good. That is not the movie we got.
No. And, or, but the,
there was the other teaser that didcome from in this movie, uh, which, uh,
well, the fisherman was when that yeah.The fisherman at the end of the dock,
that, that was the biggest teaserthat I remember for this movie,

(50:51):
that old co you're just sittingthere, maybe it's today,
I'll get the big one and thenit shows the big wake of Godzilla
coming in,
and then the boards coming up and thenall Godzilla mm-hmm across
the screen. And, and so they didn'tshow it to you because it was a whole,
we're making this new andit's not, they were Godzilla.
They were also hiding the fact thatthey were redesigning the creature.

(51:14):
And it didn't look anythinglike the past Godzilla.
It's because it wasn't Godzilla.It wasn't irradiated a Guana.
We've gone over this.
I didn't read something whileabout the, about the body.
And apparently they had pre-releasedto several production houses,
uh, concept of our Godzilla. But none,
it was real because they wanted to seeif they could trust, uh, companies,

(51:39):
uh, with their, with their stuff.
And apparently fruit of the loom hadleaked an image of Godzilla early and lost
a contract. And, um,
like they didn't actually release theactual image of it until the movie came
out mm-hmm or, or aboutthe day before, something like that.
Because when it was finally, when itwas revealed, people were like, what?
The crap is this, that was one of thenumerous fanboy complaints, you know,

(52:02):
completely different design,completely powered down,
cuz he doesn't have the atomic breath.
He Dodges attacks as opposedto just walking into it.
Like he's invincible, you know,there, all of these things,
this is the thing that's nutty about.
This is that this is technicallythe only God Zillow film

(52:23):
where a 100% militarysolution wins the day.
Every other God Zillow film.Even if the military is involved,
it is not just them.
They either got help fromscientists or another Ji or
something else helped to win theday. This is purely military.
They shoot him enough and he dies. Iwanna say this about the body type.

(52:46):
Cause I, I, at the moment, we'reall pretty much attacking the film.
I wanna say this, if you removethe name Godzilla as a whole,
don't go in it, thinking about it,like Godzilla, these interesting.
Like I said, yeah. It's an interestingmonster creature film. Yeah.
The science doesn't workout cuz it's a Johnny Guana.
But like with that body type yet.

(53:07):
Cause I remember people complain aboutthe body type about how we looked.
It made sense for the type of moviethey were wanting to make. Right.
Because here he is crawling aroundNew York very quickly through tiny
streets and Buring down. It madesense. Yes. You could not get the, uh,
old school Godzilla and the MarGodzilla in the city city. Right.
The way that they had this working out.
And so I felt like that was a smartmove. Right. For telling the story,

(53:31):
they wanted to tell to changethe body to be this right. As,
as weird as it is to have a giantGuana mm-hmm yeah.
Isolated from the name, this is agood creature design. I will say that,
like I said, the problem isthe dang name. I mean it,
you wanna know something Toho hatedthis movie so much. I said they,

(53:51):
they took shots at this movieand basically every movie they made after this for
like the next 10 years, mm-hmm, not only that oh,
six years. Excuse me. Not only that,
but they basically bought therights to this creature and
changed its name slightly. Theychanged his name to Z, which is yeah.

(54:11):
I know pat that probably.
Too.
Last one. I Dr. Tolos and he's,
he's trying to file a lawsuitwith Toho for doing that.
But because the joke was one of the guysat Toho said they took the God out of
Godzilla and that'swhy they hated it. Yep.
And then you watch guys finalwars and they have Zillow done
via CGI because they scanned an actionfigure into the computer and then they

(54:33):
had suit suit nation Godzilla,
kill it in about 15 seconds, Laura.
Hey.
Kevin.
You want some candy, John? You want somesweets? I got bag of sweets right here.
.
What was up with that? Why was,why was he kept feeding him candy?
What was happening in that scene?
Eber. So that's why .

(54:54):
And Ebert parody that even CiscoLebert said, didn't go far enough.
cause I watchedtheir review of this.
Cisco was sick and in the hospitalhe had to call in and they said, we,
yeah, we didn't likeyour movies, uh, Devlin.
And Emrick so you put usin this to poke fun at us.
You know what you should have did youshould have had the lizard kill us.

(55:16):
that? Would'vebeen funny. That's just,
why were there so many Reese's comuh, references in the stag movie.
Reese's bro, that taco bell,the only thing taco bell,
there was so cluster. Oh my goodness. Oh.
What was that likeblockbuster being a thing.
There was a Cola in that I can't remember.
Like I don't, I don't remember, butyeah. Blockbuster was everywhere.

(55:40):
See, I remember blockbuster.I remember taco bell.
I do not remember Reesey'sat all during that timeframe?
Nah, that's just me. That'sjust me joking with the Reeses.
He wants some Reeses I was like,Hey, I bet you have Steven Spielberg.
I bet you have Steven. Um, hetook the Reeses. He would've,
but he probably couldn't get thefunding for Reese because oh 18,

(56:01):
there was Spielberg movie. Come on.
I think he was a trainedto get M Ms. But they,
they wanted too much money orsomething. So he settled for this candy.
No one heard of,
and then the movie comes out and it'sthe most popular candy ever after that.
oh, wait, you're talking aboutcandy. I thought he went for, he,
he settled down from M andmto puff daddy or something.
Well, oh, okay. Yeah. There. Yeah.Nice job. That's that's it. Um.

(56:26):
So how have any of you hadmilitary family know about I'm.
From a military family? I got militaryfriends. I live in a military town.
My dad got out of the army before I wasborn. So I don't know if that counts.
Okay. Well, I, I,
I come from military family with my fatherbeing the Navy and so forth and just
like all of the, the kernel, the Launaand the switching back and forth,

(56:48):
they couldn't get the name. Right. and the Apache helicopter,
that was like, how many freakingweapons does it have per wing?
Because you're gonna have like twoMacs and that was the machine guns.
And it was like, oh, we'lldo like three. We do four,
we'll have unlimited missiles. I'm like,what are you doing to these jets? How,
you know, what's a big,this doesn't sense.
You know, what's a bigger problem.
They're lying.

(57:09):
The what you're bigger problem.
The fact that they can't keep trackof a 300 foot lizard in a city because
apparently he's a magic chameleon.
Apparently. So the military logic makeszero sense. This movie that's one.
That was the part. We, the one thingthat irked me in this film, I mean,
there's other things. I was like,whatever, you know, I just let it slide.
I just, you know, it's, it'sfun, dumb, whatever crap.

(57:31):
But the military logic bugged, theliving fire of me every single time,
the chain of command Kevin,the way he went back and forth.
Kevin, isn't that part of the whole thingthat we talked about earlier. Like it,
it, they threw in so much big budget,blockbuster stuff, blow crap up.
Boom. I mean like what, where elsethey gonna get the big booms from,
except for through military.

(57:51):
Obviously they didn't have a guyon staff who was like, Hey, um,
that doesn't work in the military. I mean,
I I'm with you theentire time watching my,
how many movies have guys who justfire without reloading all the
time. All right. But like theentire time Kevin I'm I have my,
you you've met Matt before Ihave him in the background,
yelling like that doesn't work. .

(58:15):
Mm-hmm.
like,
I can't imagine the number of militaryguys who watched this then went,
what is wrong with you? Well, it'sfunny that you bring that up. Yeah.
This pretty much like, this is prettymuch like comparison to the hurt locker.
It's for me, I'm like this,
like none of that would any anybodywould ever do in the military,
you would not accept those form of ordersand you would never give those orders

(58:36):
and you would never do any of this.That's why I felt like there was smoothie.
Time.
Whenever so happened. And.
We gotta get the military stuff inthere. Cuz this has the, you know,
the typical kinds of charactersyou see in these movies, reporters,
military politicians,
they're all there and you gotta makethe military a little bit incompetent at
the beginning.
You gotta have them be the gung-ho onesare like let's murder this thing three

(58:59):
ways from Sunday, all of that sortof stuff. But the funny thing is,
is I read an essay about thismovie that argued that the military
in American Cairo films, particularly inthis movie is a guide you unto itself.
And I'm like, how can you say that, man?
Because they look likeidiots in this until the end.
And the only reason they winafter doing more destruction than

(59:22):
Godzilla himself in this Zillow,whichever name you prefer,
they even call it out in the movies.
Like you're doing moredamage than the lizard.
The only reason they're able to do isbecause he gets tangled up in bridge
cables and he can't move. I'mlike, are, is your aimed that bad?
It's a 300 foot lizard.
So one of the scenes that irked mea little bit was when they took the,

(59:44):
uh, when homegirl took the, thetop secret tape of, uh, from there.
And it's like, first off, how did youget the footage of that interview?
Second off, all it is was thefootage from the movie itself.
And I all sudden thinking it'slike, it was like space balls.
You guys remember the scene from baseballswere like, we gotta find them quick,
grab space balls, the movie.That's what it felt like. It.

(01:00:05):
Was like.
We need this top secret tape aboutGod's quick get gods Z the movie.
And they put it in. When is this?Now? Now? No, now, now this is now.
And that was now. This isthen this is now. Yeah.
That's what happened in that scene.
When will then be now.
Now that's what happened in that scene.
That's all I could think about. I'm like,

(01:00:25):
why would you make this production choice?
Why would military even givethe scientist? The tape? I mean,
that's something you don't givethe tape. That's your wait. No, no.
Anybody works.
It's hard time.
Anybody who works inmilitary medical or anything,
you don't just share everythingwith everything and you.
Don't leave it out on a table. Right?
John, do you share everythingwith everyone? Does everyone,

(01:00:48):
does everyone above you shareeverything to you? Everything.
Do you need to know everything?
I'm trying to understand what you're,what you're digging on here. Kevin. I.
Forget it. Never mind.
oh, good Lord. John. You'vebeen kind of quiet for a man.
Do you have any other spoiled,uh, thoughts for this, Phil?
I.
I have a couple thoughts.I took actually I, I,
I made like Kevin this time and wow.

(01:01:10):
Took, oh.
I took notes.
I have notes with Kevin has reallygrown you. I'm so proud of you.
Um.
So I want to give John a hug.
Issue. Number one.
Oh.
Snap watching, watching the fishingboats sink at the very beginning.
You know, I'm trying to suspend mydisbelief for this movie enough already.

(01:01:31):
Cuz apparently Godzillasand AANA um,
and then I'm watching thesefishing boats as they go under.
And if you watch them, theyall go down in synchronicity.
Like same rate. Every boat is justas sunk as the one next to it.
As they go down, it was like,
you could almost see the rails thatthese boats were on as they were going

(01:01:52):
underwater. And I'm thinking to myself,
I'm thinking to myself when I went toCalifornia, when I was in, in the summer,
after my third grade and wewent to go to Orlando studios,
I have seen better special effectson the tram ride at universal
studios than what I just sawat this point in the movie.

(01:02:13):
John.
Go get the right designer from, fromthe tram ride at universal studios.
They'll probably work for lessand give you a better visual.
The tra ride from 1966. That'sthe one you need to get.
John,
this is weirdly nitpicky becausethis movie has much bigger problems.
Oh no, he's not there. He's not done. No.

(01:02:34):
He's got his list. Like I was literally,
I, I know I'm kind of telecast,
tele telling what my rating is bysaying you never telecast anything.
What are you doing? You telecasting. What? No. Anyway,
10 minutes into thismovie, I already hated it.
Like that was literally mythird note on here. If you see,

(01:02:55):
it says 10 minutes in this movie,I already hate it. man,
you sound like an adopt child already.
.
I hate this family already.
What did this movie do to you?
And I'm a dude and I wasoffended by the whole.
Every woman loves every woman lovesMatthew Brodrick rhetoric that

(01:03:18):
they had in this movie. Oh,what the Frick? I'm my God.
That's that's because Matt really.
Matthew brought.
Bueller here is phoning itin. He is so phoning it in.
Uh, he's not, he doesn't give theworst performance in this movie,
but it's not great either. And I'm like,I are you going for like, you know,
unemotional nerd or sociallyawkward nerd or whatever here,

(01:03:41):
cuz it's it's just notwork. And Mr Broderick,
let me tell you mm-hmm let me tell you. I'm friends with Dr.
Telos on monster island.
He is not a fan of MatthewBroderick's portrayal of him. .
Um, what else? What else I gothere? Uh, the feeling of this movie.
I was trying to put my fingeron it because it didn't,
I'll be the first person to tell youthis movie had didn't have an original

(01:04:05):
feel to it. No, at any point. AndI finally came to the conclusion.
This movie is what would happen if youtake all the worst parts of Jurassic park
and Clover field andsmashed them together.
But this is before Clover field.
It doesn't matter thatwould, this, this, this is,
I can only respond to this in theorder that I have seen these movies. I.

(01:04:25):
Saw, I.
I understand pull Overfield first.
I understand.
And yeah, it, it just felt like theworst parts of all that stuff. And like,
literally right here in thenotes, 30 minutes into this,
I already dislike allthe characters
I don't care about any of them. Good.
Oh, come up.
To die.

(01:04:46):
Hanker's animal is one of thebright spots in this movie. I'll.
Give you. No, he wasn't. I didn't likehim either. I didn't like his wife.
I didn't, I didn't likehis wife though. I.
Liked him. Don't like the wife. I don'tlike the wife either. His wife is,
I don't mean.
I don't like the almost Hollywoodlooking blonde actress in
this.
Movie. Oh no, she's terrible.

(01:05:07):
I, I didn't like nobody likesher Brodrick in this movie.
The best person in this movie was theguy who was in the professional. Yeah.
Sean Rano and even then, and eventhen he did a bad job in this movie.
But he was trying, he wastrying so hard to save it.
You think.
So? Yeah. I think he was.
I didn't feel like anybody who wasin this movie wanted to be there.

(01:05:29):
This, this, the whole,
the whole vibe I got from all theactors in this movie is they had this
internal conflict going that could becomparable to when you step out of your
bathroom naked and it turnsout your in-laws decided to visit. Why would you do.
That? so I, I,
I read a thing that said that the entirecast was given wetsuits while filming,

(01:05:52):
because it was just wetall the time. I can't help.
But one the miserableness of it is partof the reason why the entire cast just
looked like they were done.And when you hear it, like,
I also heard like the guy workingon the director, he didn't,
he didn't like the original Godzillaat all. So yeah. I'm wondering,
he's gone on a record saying that.
Why would you,
why would you direct a movie thatis kind of a reboot to the series

(01:06:17):
that you don't like then said.
He was offered.
Page the guy from SpongeBob sayingbecause money. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
I was you check, you want anotherbaseball's connection here.
There almost was a Godzillatoo. The search for more money.
It got as far as the script and I've seeninterviews with the guy who wrote the
script and the crazy thing is itactually would've been better.

(01:06:38):
It actually would'vebeen really interesting,
but it never got madebecause this one bombed.
I then I'm glad this one bombedbecause I couldn't deal with another
one. Watch.
The cartoon. The cartoonis so much better,
which I wanna go on recordof saying thank you,
Kevin Burnham for givingme the DVD of the cartoon,
because it's freaking amazing. You'rewelcome. That's friends of childhood.

(01:07:00):
I'm glad that made my heart glad.
Did your, um, your loveappreciate the cartoon beside you.
Watching. I had,
I've covered several episodes of thecartoon on the monster island film vault
with our friends, from the cell castand we've all enjoyed them. .
Uh, so you, the guy who did this was ROand Emrick you said, right? Yes. Yes.
That's correct. Okay. Is, is thisthe same guy who did moon fall?

(01:07:24):
Yes. Yes. That's why Kevin Rwhy? John doesn't Lincoln. Oh.
Okay. Yeah.
he's also done, uh, he did thesequel to the sequel to independence day,
which that one wasn't great. Either.It may. That was terrible. Yeah.
Say what you want about the original. Atleast the original had an energy to it.
The sequel didn't and he's not a lotof disaster movies. 2012 the day. Uh,

(01:07:45):
what was it? The, the day aftertomorrow or something like.
That? Oh sir. I'm I'mI'm familiar with these.
My wife loves these movies and Kevin,
she watches them by herselfbecause I hate these movies.
Hey, Kevin is independent.Say two in the dumpster.
Yeah. Both independence daymovies are in a dumpster.
Wait. No, no, no, no. Only one ofthem should be in the dumpster.

(01:08:05):
Well they're same either.
Have you not seen the, have you not seenthe Metacritic for independence day?
Season two of the bottom shelf.Dells gets wild. All .
So, all right. In fact,just about that'll July,
we'll do like every rolling ER,every Roman, um, rolling ER,

(01:08:25):
film just about is inside a dumpster.
Oh my gosh. I don't thinkStargate deserves to be there.
Well, it's in there. Sorry. It'sjust in the dumpster. I mean, what,
what else it's in the.
Dumpster are things thatI love in there. Kevin.
Because you like terriblethings and you make Jesus cry.
I like John you'remy friend. I like you, John.

(01:08:45):
What does it have to say about you?
I, my statement stands.
Sir. This is going long, far enough,
all last bit. Last bit of spoiler. Uh,
spoiler thoughts for the film?Uh, John, your last big thing.
Uh, go see Cloverfield instead.
.
As long as you don't getmotion sickness. All.

(01:09:08):
Right. I did. And I still own it.
All right. Uh, I just talked about thaton the film vault, actually, Kevin,
your last big spoiler thoughts on thefilm before we give our final ratings?
Well, there was quite some dumb,fun moments for me. I mean,
that's just me though,because I, I can't help,
but smile and laugh at some things, buthere's some of the things that I can't,

(01:09:29):
I always like laugh at every singletime. Gail cannot run a torpedo.
He could run a helicopter.
He could tear on massive buildingsleaving behind death and destruction,
but he cannot catch up to four peopleon foot, on the alley in New York city.
I'm gonna be honest. Honestly,
I have seen beep.

(01:09:50):
This is the point where Kevin goes ona T rate that is politically incorrect.
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you want me? You want me torephrase the last sentence? My last name.

(01:10:11):
Was funny. So funny.
Kevin, where do youwrite this stuff at? Man?

this is why I'm not invi.
This is why I'm not invited to SouthernBaptist or Methodist church and comedy
stand ups.

(01:10:32):
Oh my gosh.
All right.
You always hear an audience growing abouteverything I made other no make chick
jokes, make Chick-fil-Ajokes. Like everybody else,
everybody makes Chick-fil-A jokes.Keep those gum. I was like, no.
Chick-fil-A is a joke.All right. So I came back.
Oh, thank you. .
All right. Last thoughtsbefore UFR rating, uh, uh,

(01:10:54):
from, uh, Nathan,
what is your last spoiledfilled thought? Uh,
there's uh, there's so many to, uh,to pick from. I Willem admit like,
like what, Kevin, there are somemoments in this that I, I did enjoy.
I genuinely chuckled at some of thelines, mostly from Sean Reno. Uh,
and Hank's area who I think are theonly people who give anything close to

(01:11:15):
decent performances, thescene where famously,
where animal miraculously doesn't getsquished because he's right between
God's OUS toes. That, that was prettyfunny. I have to say yeah,
it was a nice fake out, you know, itthat, so that scene worked for me,
but yeah, it, this movie thinksit's better than it really is.

(01:11:37):
I, I just had a thought whileyou were saying, or when, uh,
Dallas is asking you for yourspoiler filled last thoughts. And I,
it occurred to me.
You can't spoil this movie anymorethan Roland Aric already did.
It's bad. It's bad. So here,here are my, my last things,
I wanna say one,
can we point at the fact that mydude's camera was never on at all,

(01:12:00):
in any of the scenes where hewas holding a camera at all?
You mean you never haveyour camera on, you know,
on when you're at the churchat, uh, the healing place,
you never have your camera on youturn it off. Why would you keep it on.
While you're filming?
.
Do we wanna talk about how aprofessional cameraman runs outside to

(01:12:20):
record the giant lizard and he struggleswith it the whole time and then
realizes that the last possiblesecond. Oh, right. Poke close. .
Can. Okay. Can we also talk about at theend, when they steal the taxi to run,
to drive away from Godzilla afterhomeboy got his camera smashed,
he suddenly has a video camerain the back of the taxi.

(01:12:42):
So he stole that from the,um, the studio they were in.
That's where that camera came from. Thecamera smashed they're in the studio.
He takes the cam thestudio camera with them.
Yes, he did. He took, he took it. Hetook that camera with him. Cause I.
I, I had to think backthrough that moment too.
I had the same thought as you John, butI had to think back it's like, oh no,
he took that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:13:03):
I would too. If I was in the newsroom andthe whole place going down, it's like,
I'm taking some cameraswith me. Sorry. .
All. Yep. And I'll say this,
there were a couple funny scenesin this that I really enjoyed.
There are several small humorous andthis part of the problem is the tone was
everywhere. But when he gets to thefloor with the, and the, and all the,
the Velo rap tour, Godzillas lookedat Adam and like, they're almost like,

(01:13:27):
oh, hello. And they're like droppingthe popcorn and he goes wrong floor.
I laughed at that way toohard than I should have.
I still never eat eating.
Popcorn because apparently popcorn smellslike fish they'll eat anything that
smells like fish, dude. Anything,everybody will eat popcorn.
I don't care what it, who it is. well, this, this is true. This is true.
You.
Know, obviously you never went fishingbecause fish smell will travel miles.

(01:13:50):
Okay, bro.
I will say, I will say though,
that that elevator scene that you'retalking about Dallas gave me very strong
Scrooged feels.
Yes, yes it does. Yeah. I can say that.
When we were watching it last night,I'm like, this feels like Scrooged.
Like I could see bill Murraymaking that exact same statement.
Yeah. I, I also, I wannabring this up real quick.

(01:14:12):
I mentioned there were some lines thatI really liked because I think this has
to be brought up because I know howmuch you guys love guns on this show.
Cuz I listened to yourpodcast. no.
But I actually, I don't love guns.
I kinda like the,
the exchange between Sean Reno andMatthew Broderick where he asked
them, how did you get this stuff intothe country? Because they have this,

(01:14:35):
you know, a small arsenalthere and Sean Reno says,
this is in America. You can buyanything. that's true.
Oh my goodness. All right guys. Well,let's bring his home. Um, Nathan,
what is your file rating of top shelf?Well, hold on, we gotta explain that.
Don't.
We? You want me to do thatfor you, please? Please do.
So you can gather yourthoughts. Please do. Uh,

(01:14:56):
all right here on thebottom shelf podcast,
we have a rating systemthat consists of top shelf.
This is what you would rate a movie.If this movie was in fact a good movie,
people should probably watch thisand you have no idea why it has a bad
reputation or was critiquedpoorly middle shelf,
which is the commentsabout this movie are valid.

(01:15:18):
But for some reason itdoes something for me.
I find it mildly enjoyable,
but I can understand why other peoplewouldn't bottom shelf is this is a bad
movie. I don't recommend this to anybody.
Somebody might find some enjoymentwith it, but chances are,
I'm not friends with them. and then you have the dumpster fire,

(01:15:38):
which is this movie should bepurged from reality entirely.
It has no beneficial merits toit and needs to be singularly
excluded from existence.
We've never had a film end up inthat, in that pile at all lies.
What? No. Did they stop existing afterthey go there? So we no movies. We.
Have no anything that goes there.All right. So Nathan gods, 1998,

(01:16:02):
understand that your rating, this mayaffect monster island, film vault forever.
What is your final rating? well,
the funny thing is my rating might do some
contingence of the Godzilla fan mightbe considered a bit of a hot take.
Oh yeah. First off. I wanna saycartoon series, top shelf fight me.

(01:16:22):
if you remove the nameGodzilla from it, maybe middle shelf.
You think of it as like beastfrom 20,000 fathoms to bed,
nineties Ram make a beatfor 20,000 fats. Eh,
maybe middle shelf is this movieunwatchable and should be burned.
Actually. I don't think it should.
There are those in thefamily who would say yes,
it must be burned because it ruined thefranchise and all of that sort of stuff.

(01:16:45):
But without this movie,
we wouldn't have gotten a lot of whatcame after this with the Toho films.
Maybe even the monsters very possible.
We may have not gotten themonster verse if not for this.
And does it have loads of issueswith being called a God Zon?
The fanboy objections that Imentioned? Oh, heck yes it does.
But as I've stated,

(01:17:06):
the biggest sins that it has arethat it's a bad nineties blockbuster,
but like I said, it's notunwatchable bottom shelf. Okay.
Bottom shelf from Nathan, Mr. Burnham,
the other Godzilla enthusiast, the,
the other expert of Godzillain the room because Nathan,

(01:17:27):
I don't know if you knowthis. Mr. Burnham is,
is a massive Godzilla fan himself.I know I had him on the show.
I had him on the that's right? Youdid. So Nathan, um, not Nathan, Kevin,
uh, .
Wrong. White guy.
oh, what is yourfather? Who's whiter.
You can cut that too. Oh.
I can guarantee you I'm right there withJohn. I got the blood test. 100% white.

(01:17:51):
It was not even, even that3% was like somewhere and.
All of this is gettingcut out now, too, dude.
And this is, this is, thisis average normal talk. Why?
Dude? I have talked with gross.Who I have talked to go. Who?
Think that Kevin is pale. I'm justsaying let's let's get back to topic.
Let's get back topic, Kevin.Okay. What is your follow rating?

(01:18:11):
Uh, well, as in the words ofpuff, daddy, come with me.
I'm gonna take you with me. I'm hereto stay forever ever and ever in day.
That's never come withme. Uhhuh. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Is painful nineties come with me.
So that translate to what?

(01:18:32):
Oh, absolutely nothing. Um, we're gonnaput this in the middle shelf for me.
What.
It's gonna be? What what'd you say? What?
I put it in the middle. You almostgot a spit take from me from.
This. What?
The middle she from I been sittinghere expecting dumpster fire the
entire time. And sky is raining.
The movie higher than me. What? The Frick.

(01:18:55):
.
So Kevin, you said middle stuff. Um.
I'm I'm a sucker for badmovies, but it has to be,
I was entertained byhow bad this was. Okay.
I was entertained by laughingmy butt off at certain
scenes. And even sometimesarguing, yelling at the screens,
like what's wrong with you? Andyeah. It's like, but it's so dumb.

(01:19:16):
It's I I'm just laughingat myself for how, I mean.
With riff tracks for me, this might bemetal. She, but what you think where.
Those guys? I don't, I don't, I don'tknow who R tracks is. Anyhow. Um, I,
yeah, for me, like I said, ithas to entertain it entertain me.
It was it's. I mean, this wouldbe like a lower middle shelf.

(01:19:38):
If there was one, you know, middle shelfis middle shelf, whatever that's way,
but it'll been the very lowend of the middle shelf, but I,
I can't throw us in thedumpster because I don't know.
There's just reasons how Ican never and bottom shelf,
I would not be mad or get upset atanybody. He puts in the bottom shelf.
It's you know, it's whatever. I, I guessI always take out the name Godzilla,

(01:19:59):
even though it has Godzilla clearacross it and it says it and I can't,
they don't understand the,between Gojira and Godzilla.
I just go J are you idiot?
I'm not an idiot.
No, I'm not. Oh, my parents can.
Call me. You watch it. I know.
Angry Irishman. I got it.
Uh, but yeah. Yeah. I just,

(01:20:19):
I always just ate out the name Godzillaand I just look at it's just at the
beast from 20,000 bathrooms updated andthis is what we get and this is what I
got. So yeah.
Fair, fair. Funny thing.
There is actually a fan edit of thiswhere they say Zillow instead of Godzilla
the whole time.
That's cool. Yeah, I like that.
All right, John mm-hmm what is your final writing?

(01:20:42):
Oh, dumpster fire.
Oh, wow. just throw it in there.
Bro. I, I it's, like Isaid, I, I telecasted it,
when I was talking about my points onthis movie, 10 minutes of this movie,
I was literally, and you can, we,
we have a private chat that we talk aboutthis show on that I was kind of live
streaming or another live streaminglive tweeting. Yes, I was.

(01:21:05):
I was live tweeting on and the literally
10 minutes in, I hate thismovie so much, so, so much.
I hate this movie. I,
I hate how phoned in allthe actors were. I hate the,
the male sexism that everywoman's in love with Matthew

(01:21:26):
Brodrick.
I hate.
I hate the,
I hate the sh the scenes of thehelicopter chase that take place
between cardboard boxes,with windows painted on them.
I hate the bad green screeningeffects that are all over this movie.
I hate the sound design.

(01:21:47):
I hate that they don't have Godzilla'sactual roar in this movement. No.
That is the roar. That is the roar.
I hate that.
I hate roar.
That I hate that Godzillais an I irradiated
iguana.
I hate the fact that they're tryingto pitch a 1950s concept of radiation
to a Postle science world. Um.

(01:22:09):
John quick question,
would a radiated dinosaur be betterbecause that's the Japanese Godzilla.
I don't care. That's stupid too. again, I'm just putting this out there.
My first Godzilla was theMonarch Godzilla, which was.
He's a dinosaur.
He's always been here.
He's always been here since thebeginning to me that they made,

(01:22:30):
they made God's with the way theytook the narrative in the modern
art Chronicles or the monsterverse as you call it, um, the,
what they did by putting changinga minor tweak in the mytho
saying they just always were here. Boom.
It made the gone the GodzillaPantheon, elder gods.

(01:22:53):
Welcome to the welcome to the,uh, love crafty and fiction. I.
Why you're.
Desperately. You're that way. I seewhy you're coming that direction now.
So, you know, but gettingback to this movie though,
there was nothing I liked about it.The, the special effects were terrible.
The production design felt sloppy.
I feel like they spent more moneyon promoting this movie than they

(01:23:17):
did. They did making a good movie. They.
Did. They.
It was all.
Did you like the animatronics?
Did you like the animat gonna showthe animatronic parts? Cause I, I,
you didn't like the animatronicsand that this choice.
Uh, John.
I'm asking, I'm asking John that John,did you like the animatronics on the.
Monster? Didn't like anythingabout this movie. Okay.
You didn't like anything?
No. Okay.

(01:23:37):
Did you like for Las pastor?No. You sure love that?
Why'd you put the bottom shelf.
Because some blonde,
some redhead lady made a argumentthat I felt bad about myself and
now.
OK, John. OK. Somebodycall queer somebody call queer.
I will make my attempt to,to pull that right now, John,

(01:23:58):
the reason why not only was itthe time period that, you know,
radioactive dinosaur forthe original Godzilla,
but it's also because it was a socialcommentary because the original film was
meant to be a response to PO you know,
to the war and the nuclearbombings of HHI Nagasaki.
So Godzilla was intended to bean basically the bomb made flesh.

(01:24:21):
So it was this very cathartic experiencefor the Japanese people in the mid
fifties, less than a decade after thewar. That's why they did it. Right.
I, and, and I'm, I'm aware, I'm.
Aware and it's lost here. That's theproblem. They just kept it because like,
oh, that's a story element. Right.But they lose the commentary.
I, the thing about it is though, ifthey were gonna reboot it, reboot it,
they don't have to dothat. Uh, because you're,

(01:24:41):
you're sailing an antiquated fictionto, I mean, we could, we could say, oh,
we're gonna take aballoon right up to the,
up to the moon because they usedto do that back in 1920 cinema.
But you try to do that nowadays. Andpeople would be like, this is no.
And so that's where I'm at with it.But yeah, there was nothing about.
Like, wait,
you're telling me you can't take aballoon right up in the space since when.

(01:25:03):
Okay. Jules ver that's.
Two, Hey, two words, treasureplanet. I love treasure planets.
I love treasure planet. Yeah.
Treasure plant sucks.
I saw that movie after my wisdomteeth were pulled out. So.
Oh, then you were, again, you onlyenjoy movies when you are high.
I understand this. All right.
So lemme give you my fire ratingand my file rating is this, um.

(01:25:26):
It's we connections. Let's skip this part.
Taking everything in action. Yes. The,
there are some humorousmoments here and there.
There were some terriblemoments here and there.
The animation is atrocious.
Like the green screen PlayStation onegraphics were better than what we saw in
this. Um, keep in mind.
This is five years after Jurassic parkand Jurassic park has aged very well.

(01:25:49):
Exactly. This is part of my problemthat taking all this in I'm with Kevin,
it's the middle shelf. I'm I, Ilaughed at this film. I enjoy the film.
It's not a good film, but it's goodenough for me to be entertained,
especially when I'm talkingabout it and laughing about it,
making jokes about it, enable to shutoff my brain. Enjoy it. Not as Godzilla,

(01:26:10):
but as Ferris Buler inthe big lizard. Kevin,
you disappointed meand John made me happy.
I was waiting for dumpsterfire the whole time. Wait.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Isthis means in the middle shelf?
I don't know it. So how is theway, how does the way, what,
how does this average out?We got two middle shelves,
a bottom shelf and a dumpster fire. Yeah.

(01:26:31):
I don't know how that breaks down major.
It's think of it. Less ofpercentiles and more two voting.
Majority rules. Wow. Yeah.Just whoa. So ladies,
this.
Was something I was not expecting at all.
no, I wasn't either. So from ushere at the bottom shelf, ladies, Jim,
we rate God's 1998, FerrisBuer in the big lizard,

(01:26:55):
a middle shelf production,very contested metal shelf.
All right. With thatbeing said, ladies, Jim,
we are now going on to our next portionof the show, which is called what?
Mr. Are you?
This is a weak connection.
All right, ladies, Jim, welcome to theweak connection portion of the show,

(01:27:18):
where we try to findsome redemptive value.
Even if we dumped your fire to filmout of the films that we watch.
So who here at the tablehas a weak connection. Yes.
Mr. Nate,
there is a joke said by mayorEber to the worst Cisco and ebirds
parody ever. Arguably, anyway, that it, I,

(01:27:39):
it was one, another, one of the jokesthat made me chuckle a little bit,
but it's a good reminder of somethingthat is a very important in Christian
theology was when Dr.
TEUs explains that Zillow can reproduceasexually. He says, what is this?
The Virgin lizard ,
which goes back to the Virgin Maryand the Virgin birth of Christ.

(01:28:03):
I, I just heard a sermon about this thismorning, about how important that is,
how key that is to the, youknow, to the Christian faith.
Because if you remove that, thework of Christ means nothing.
He has to have come from the Virginbirth so that he does not have a sinful
nature. And without, because of that,
he is the perfect sacrificeto redeem all of mankind.

(01:28:26):
Booya it's true. It's a true story.
I don't recommend crucifying Zilla.That's not gonna save anybody. No,
except although Johnmight be happy.
so yeah, the whole thing about the,of birth, that really is important.
I remember there was, therewas some conversation about whether or not the, the,
the Hebrew translatedas really as Virgin. Um,

(01:28:49):
just try to say hand maiden, butwhen you take a look at it, like the,
the scope it out, you look at the, uh,I think it's the Tugen, which is a,
a Greek translation ofthe original Hebrew,
but it was done by Jewishscholars, by Jews, themselves,
and for them to include the word Virgin,
understanding what the wordVirgin means in its context.
Then even though you could translatethe Hare word into handmaid,

(01:29:13):
it's there because theyunderstood as Virgin.
It must have meant Virgin inthe context of it. And, uh,
I remember years ago there wasa, I'm not gonna say the name,
cause I don't likeblasting popular preachers,
but there was a popular preacher backin the early two thousands who put
out a video and he says, wouldit really be a big ordeal?
If we discover the Virgin,
Mary wasn't really a Virgin whenshe had Jesus to which I say, yes,

(01:29:37):
yes, it would. Becausethat's scriptural. That is,
that is part of what the scriptures teach.
And for us to dismantle the scripturesin such a manner is dishonoring to
God. But also it, it, itcreates a slippery slope of going nothing here is real.
Right. The other thing that itdoes is that it chips away at

(01:29:57):
the idea that this, that Jesuswas truly the son of God,
right? If there was any possibilitythat ver that Mary was not a Virgin,
that means Jesus.
Even if it's just a small possibilitymeans that Jesus could have been purely
human and fathered by anactual person. Exactly.
And it also underminesMary's character. True story.

(01:30:19):
Absolutely cool means. Sodoesn't does he, I know.
Who you're talking about. CanI, can I say that pastor's name.
no.
Okay.
All.
You know what, in all this, I cameup with a weak connection. Let's.
Go, Mr. Burn.
It's so weak. Okay. But it's,
it's from Romans 8 37.Okay. I'm reading from the,

(01:30:39):
I won't continue down to 30 8:00 AM I,I'm not gonna try to add anything though.
In all these things, we are more inOUS through, um, him who loved us,
or I sure that neither death orin life nor angels, no rulers,
nor things present nor thingsto come nor powers, no height,
no depth nor anything in all creationwill be able to separate us from the love

(01:31:00):
of God in Christ Jesus, ourLord, not even John har used,
bought shelf trash dumpsterreview because Christ Trium sold
and so does love. And so doesthis be on the middle shelf?
I I'm so shocked that wow.
John har used right thereclenching his face and no I'm I'm.

(01:31:22):
Although I, I have another one suddenlyif you want to hear it, sure.
Okay.
Remember how I said that Toho rippedthis movie apart saying they took the God
out of Godzilla. Well, wetalked about the Virgin birth.
There are people who treat Jesus.Like he's just a human being.
So they have removed the godhood fromhim because mm-hmm ,
you know,

(01:31:42):
and some people do it because they don'tunderstand how the incarnation cuz it's
one of the wildest conceptsin Christian theology.
How can Jesus be fully God and fully man?
So they usually gravitate toward oneor the other sometimes remove one,
one of those aspects in orderto reconcile it in their minds.
And as I said said, they take theGod out of Jesus. So he's just a,
a me mortal Zillow is Godzilla with,

(01:32:06):
with the divinity removed boom inreality is they, they do do that.
Um, there's a whole group of individualsyou said, do do they,
instead of saying, um, Jesus saysYeshu, they will say Yeshu, uh,
because the UAH would recognizehim as something different than,
than just an average man. Andthat really is an active thing.
Like people really are trying toerase the divinity of Christ. We have,

(01:32:29):
there are certain group cults that areout there that do the same thing. Uh,
and it's, it's a terrible thing. So, um,
my wee connection is,um, it, it it's from,
I was listening to, um,the portion where, um,
what was his name? Philippe,Philipp I was talking.
And he was saying that his wholemission there really is to, um,

(01:32:51):
basically correct the wrongs ofhis, of his people, of the past,
that he understands that what ishappening here with Godzilla is the,
um, a direct re uh,
a direct result of the sins of hisforefathers, basically of what his people,
his country to do. Yeah. His country.And he owned that. And he's trying to,

(01:33:11):
to correct that. And, um, yousee this in the scriptures,
the Ezekiel he's repenting to theLord on behalf of his country.
And he's repenting saying now he wasn'tthe one who did all the wrong stuff.
He wasn't the one that did all thesinning, but he owned it himself. He says,
Lord, forgive me for the sins of mypeople, forgive me for these things.

(01:33:32):
He's taking active role in this. Andout of that, he's bringing correction.
He's, he's trying tolive a righteous life.
He's doing what we're supposed to do.
And there's so much blamethat goes on in life. Well,
we look here in,
in the United States and there'sa lot of things that aren't right,
and we try to blame other people. Wetry to point fingers to other folks.
Sometimes the change, the correct coursechange takes us going. Look, Lord,

(01:33:54):
forgive me for the fault of mypeople. And then moving forward,
trying to do the right thing. That'snot now, this is not the same thing as,
as taking on, you know, whiteguilt or taking on, you know,
all these other things, but saying,look, my people did wrong. Now.
I'm gonna be active in making a changeforward of doing what I need to do to be
better. I'm a big believer of thelong game, as far as making a,

(01:34:16):
an effective change inculture and society.
And the only way to make a change insocieties today are tomorrow is for us to
make the change today to, to quotethe great prophet Michael Jackson.
And I'm gonna start witha man in the mirror and.
I telling Hampton change.
His ways.
And that's really what it takes for allof us is if we wanna see a change in our

(01:34:38):
country, in, in ourcity, in our communities,
we have to be the change ourselves. Andit takes more than just lip service.
It takes more than us, uh,
maybe yelling at people like we've seensome people do over over the years,
but it takes us just being different.If you're tired of being people,
being hateful, be loving. If you're tiredof seeing things, being, uh, selfish,

(01:35:00):
you be generous.
We have to be these changes in order tosee the change take place in the long
game. And that is my weakconnection. All right. yeah.
Dallas, you pastor Dallas there.
Yeah. No.
Nothing weak about thatat all. Whatsoever.
.
Of course we don't serve a week goat. So.

(01:35:22):
Word unlike this week Godzilla.Right. All right, Nathan,
thank you for being on withus. Um, it was a pleasure.
How can people find you bud? Ha uh, I,
I do a lot of things, so there's alot of ways to get ahold of me. Uh,
before I get to the podcaststuff, I will also mention I am a,
a writer and an author,

(01:35:43):
so you can check out my writings andget ahold of me there as a writer on my
author website, which is NathanJS Mar and.com because yes,
I had to use both of my middleinitials to get a domain for
my website because the otherones were already taken.
I'm gonna find that other Nathan Marchend, and I'm gonna feed him to the baby.

(01:36:04):
Zillows just to have that domainanyway. So check me out there.
You can also follow me on Twitter as anauthor, add to Nathan March end seven,
and search for the worlds of NathanMarch end on Facebook for the 97
podcasts that I have.
there's obviously the notstar island film vault podcast,
seeking entertainment andenlightenment through to Kaatsu,

(01:36:26):
which takes an academic approachto Kaiju and to Kaatsu films.
So you get to hear about them in theiroriginal historical and cultural context
to hopefully enhance your viewingof them and bridge the gap
between modern we'll sayforeign audiences and these
classic foreign films. Althoughcurrently we're going through America,

(01:36:49):
I U, which is about Americamade guide you film,
and you can find that on Twitterand Instagram and on Facebook,
if you want to check up myother podcast, one is he men,
which is about the appreciation ofJapanese superheroes and their high flying
and high kicking adventures.
It's all about Japanesetension or transforming hero

(01:37:10):
television, occasionally movies,
where you've been going through theoriginal common writer from 1971,
primarily I co-host that with travelsAlexander and then the other one I
do. Uh, and that's also bythe way on the, on Twitter.
And I promoted a lot on the, thefilm vault stuff, by the way,
the film Vault's also on Patreon.I highly recommend joining.

(01:37:31):
You can even sponsor stuff to be talkedabout on the show, if you like. And the,
I would,
I would also recommend that both thisand the next podcast I'm going to mention
are part of the Kaijuramen podcast network.
So you can go to Kaijuramen media.com to, uh,
listen to the show directly and get alittle bit more information by the way
Keiji ramen magazine is amazing.I edit the articles for that.

(01:37:53):
So definitely check that out out.The other one is the power trip,
a journey through thepower Rangers franchise.
So if you're a fan of powerRangers in particular,
I cohost that with Michael Hamiltonand we have been going through all 30
years of power Rangers,
one season at a time strap in thoseepisodes are long and an in depth

(01:38:14):
oh yeah, they are.Yeah, they are quite, uh,
we've had some of our friendsDallas on the, on that one.
We had Chris cook on recently from onecross radio talking about one of my
favorite seasons of powerRangers, power Rangers, RP.
I can't recommend that one enough,by the way. It is fantastic.
If you love Terminator and madmax, that is the power ranger show.

(01:38:37):
I will never be on that podcast forpower Rangers because I hate power.
Rangers. We weren't gonnaask you anyway. .
Thank, thank you. Thank you.
Nathan. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonnatell you the same thing. I tell John,
get a link tree and put allthis on one link and call
it done.
.
We just did a whole podcastof you advertising your podcast. I, I have too many.

(01:39:01):
I have to, to explain the shows. Okay.
Now that's that's, you know, we, we justtry to, um, keep it to a certain limit.
So if you just do at least three,
because we'll be here all day withJohn Harvey with all of his podcasts,
and I know he'll like to advertise, butyou know, like I think we all wanna be,
uh, fair with everyone. .
Yeah. Be part of your guys' network.I'm not it's true, John,

(01:39:22):
where can we find you, bro?
Okay. I DM on playinggames with strangers.
I am a voice actor on super Sonicpodcast comics. I read books on.
We read allegedly. I sometimes talkmusic on primitive rhythm machine.
I am a voice actor for gospelguy by Gaslight and I talk games
on casual gamer societywith Dave Clements.

(01:39:44):
True story. Wow. Nice job there.
I also forgot to mention I'm alsoa voice actor on power Rangers,
the audio drama. Nice. Yeah. I'mone of the bad guys actually.
Mr. Burnham, how can we find you?
Look at the show notes.
you brought March and Don,
he talked too long, so I don't wannatalk anymore. shameless.

(01:40:07):
Self-promotion is one ofmy spiritual gifts, sir.
How dare you not get madat me? Exercising my gifts.
So you go to elevation church then.
.
We're gonna cut all this picture out.
Oh my gosh. So Mr. Burnham, what haveyou done recently? What are you doing?
Look in the show notes. That's in theshow notes. That's there. Dang. He's just,

(01:40:29):
people are listening. They,they are going well, look at it.
And they're going likeDallas. Oh, that's heaven.
Dallas working people find you find.
Me geek, devotions.com,
where you find all the devotions put ona regular basis that we geek devotions
all of our podcasts, the bottom shelfwe read allegedly and the Gundo watch.
And finally,
one last thing I wanna promote beforewe sign off is while Branson is way out

(01:40:49):
on the toilet. Um, because of taco bell,
he's also working onscripts in editing, um,
a brand new audio dramathat John mentioned called gospel by Gaslight a brand
new audio drama, sting,
punk inspired audio drama that youguys need to check out starring Mr.
Show note himself, Kevin Burnham. Sosince Kevin's like, I'm promoted, I am,

(01:41:12):
Kevin's like the show, thestar of the dad gum show. So,
but we're very proud of Bransonand his, uh, reaching out,
doing the gospel gas light, and uh, wouldencourage you guys to check that out.
It's a really cool audio drama. Ireally enjoyed, uh, listening to it. Um,
but that's all I got.
That's a great wait andnice podcast. That's just.

(01:41:33):
Tell my friend, Nick Hayden ends hispodcast every time. That's all I got.

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