April 30, 2025 • 37 mins
The Parable of the Prodigal Son might be the most profound story of redemption ever told. In this soul-stirring episode, hosts David, Javi, and Jason unpack the breathtaking cultural context behind this familiar tale, revealing layers of meaning you've likely never considered.
Did you know that in ancient Jewish culture, asking for inheritance early was equivalent to wishing your father dead? Or that the father's act of running to greet his son would have been considered deeply undignified for a man of his status? These cultural insights transform our understanding of this timeless story.
The hosts share their personal connections to the parable – Jason especially identifies with the prodigal's journey, having returned to faith after years away. This vulnerability opens up a broader conversation about hitting rock bottom, squandering opportunities, and the unexpected joy of being welcomed back with celebration rather than condemnation.
Perhaps most surprising is the fresh perspective on the older brother. Far from being a minor character, his resentment reveals a heart that was physically present but spiritually distant – serving from obligation rather than love. As one host observes, "You didn't have to leave to sin. The older brother sinned through arrogance and selfishness without ever leaving home."
Whether you see yourself in the rebellious younger son, the resentful older son, or aspire to show the father's radical love, this episode will challenge and inspire you. The hosts expertly connect this parable to others about lost things being found, showing how the celebration grows more elaborate with each story – representing God's endless joy when his children return home.
David, Javi, and Jason explore the powerful parable of the Prodigal Son, unpacking its rich cultural context and profound message about God's boundless forgiveness and celebration when we return to Him.
• The story of the Prodigal Son is especially meaningful to Jason, connecting to his own return to faith
• In Jewish culture, asking for inheritance early was essentially saying "I wish you were dead"
• The son's descent to feeding pigs represents the absolute lowest spiritual and social position for a Jewish person
• The father running to greet his son broke cultural norms, as men of status never ran in that society
• The gifts of robe, ring and sandals symbolized full restoration as a son, not acceptance as a servant
• The fattened calf celebration represented public restoration within the community
• The older brother represents those who serve God from duty rather than relationship
• Both sons misunderstood the father's heart and the nature of his love
• This parable connects to others about lost things being found - showing God's joy when the lost return
• Many scholars refer to this as "The Parable of the Loving Father" rather than "The Prodigal Son"
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David (00:02):
Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
My name is David Shapiro, hey,I'm Javi Marquez and I'm Jason
Holloway.
Welcome.
How's it going?
Guys Doing well.
How are you Doing good?
I'm doing good.
I am very excited about today.
Yeah, yeah, this is you know.
I'm going to allow Jason tokind of intro it in, because
(00:24):
this is something that he loves,actually the Prodigal Son is my
favorite story of all, forsemi-obvious reasons.
Jason (00:33):
You know, it's serendipitous that we're
recording this the Friday, theGood Friday, the day, you know,
two days before Easter, which ismy two-year anniversary to
coming back to the faith.
Amen, days before Easter, whichis my two-year anniversary to
coming back to the faith.
And the one story that got meso worked up every time I heard
it was the prodigal son.
And the prodigal son is thestory of a man who thinks he can
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do it himself and says Father,give me my inheritance, I'm
going to go off and I'm going todo it all myself, I don't need
you, you're holding me back.
And he goes and does it, onlyto find out he can't.
He can't do it, and you knowwe'll talk about the story far
more in detail.
But he ultimately comes back andthe father receives him.
(01:18):
He expects to be received, notreceived at all, right, and he
ends up coming back and not onlybeing received, but being
received and and beingcelebrated for coming back.
And you know, again, selfishly,that is something that really
hit me.
It's like I didn't feel like Ideserve this.
I don't feel like I, that thisis for me and if I come back at
all.
There's, you know, punishmentthat should happen afterwards,
(01:40):
and instead it's.
It's a joyous occasion, sothat's why this story is
important to me, so let's talkabout it.
David (01:44):
I was just going to ask you know, do you consider
yourself the prodigal?
Jason (01:47):
I was just going to say that I mean without a doubt yeah
, I mean without a doubt I, Ivery selfish, very believing I
can do it myself, not seeing thewisdom of the father who was
trying to raise me and teach meand guide me in the ways, and
being, you know, arrogant enoughto believe I could do it myself
, only to find out that, shocker, can't do it.
(02:08):
And yeah, and then you knowagain, when I came back, I there
was nothing but love and careand welcoming and you know the,
the reconnection that was therewhen I came back and that's and
I didn't deserve it.
So, yeah, totally, javi, areyou the prodigal?
Javi (02:25):
Um, when I think about the prodigal son in the story, I I
do consider myself that way in asense.
Um, you know, I didn't followthe faith, or never in my life
really.
And um, coming to christ, Ifelt in that I related to that
story and in the sense of me notbeing just kind of doing my own
thing and and and kind ofsquandering opportunities and
(02:46):
squandering times to, to, tolove and and and just kind of
have a relationship with withChrist early on in my life.
And I rejected that and I thinkme coming to faith, um, I do
receive what I what I believe isamazing grace, Um, it's
unmerited favor from from Godand receiving me into his
kingdom.
David (03:06):
Okay, you know I don't consider myself a prodigal,
which is interesting, but I love.
This is one of my favoritestories.
The symbolism is off the charts.
Yeah, in this.
Jason (03:15):
It's so deep.
Yeah, let's get started.
David (03:18):
Let's dive right in.
So one of the things that Ilove right off the bat and if
you don't know the story, it's avery quick one to read.
But this son asks for hisinheritance from the father and
right off the bat you go okay,the son's asking for his
inheritance, he wants to goparty, he wants to do all this
stuff.
We don't realize that in Jewishtradition, you do not get your
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inheritance until the person haspassed, yeah.
So it's almost as if saying Iwish you were dead.
Yeah, father, I wish you weredead.
For sure, I want my inheritance.
Oh, wow, um, it's reallyintense.
So he's asking for money thatis not due to him at this moment
, right, and the father gives itto him, which is even more
astonishing that's one of thethat's like.
Jason (03:58):
It's kind of the first big, like blow-up point.
When you start to think into itand you go, the father didn't
say you, he didn't throw him ina cell, and be like you,
ungrateful creature, you.
He said okay, he didn't, youknow, push him away.
He didn't do it with anger oranything else, he just says okay
.
Javi (04:16):
Okay, yeah, and he gives it to him Like he didn't have to
.
Jason (04:19):
he didn't have to give him under no law.
Was he supposed to, or did heneed to give him?
But he did, and that sayseverything.
David (04:25):
For reference.
Just we should have probablypointed this out.
But Luke 15, 11 through 32 iswhat the prodigal son story is.
This is the parable.
So just so you have a referenceas to where we're looking into.
So, yes, he gets hisinheritance and he goes off and
he leaves his town.
It's very important becausewhen you think about people
going to college or somethinglike that, where do they do the
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most of their?
You know, partying is hey, Ineed to be away from my hometown
.
I don't want people to know me.
I'm going to not my son, kindof go.
Javi (04:55):
I don't have any kids, but I can imagine parents thinking
like not my son, my son is, youknow he's go away, he went away
so he could be away from hisfriends.
Jason (05:03):
So he could be good and wise and kind.
Yeah, that's what all theparents were thinking, I'm sure.
David (05:08):
And he squandered his money.
And here's the thing when youthink about wasting money, this
wasn't as if he was living andhe didn't want to work, and it
went little after little, youknow, a little bit at a time.
This is something where he wentand partied and went through
this money very, very quickly,this inheritance was very rapid.
Javi (05:28):
Now that you guys are talking about it, I'm thinking
about what was your plan?
What was his plan to take thismoney, and was it just to be
rebellious or just to live out?
Maybe he was tired of justbeing at home the whole time and
he just wanted.
You know what I want to breakout of here and I want to rebel.
Were you trying to start abusiness or something?
What were you trying to do withthat money?
Jason (05:46):
You know it's funny.
You say that because I oftenthink that kids think they have
a plan, but if you actually stopand ask them the question and I
say kids, meaning lateteenagers, early- 20s they think
they have a plan, but theydon't realize it's not actually
a plan.
It's just a single motion to getaway from family, but then they
don't realize that there's awhole lot after that, right.
So I don't know if he had a.
I mean, you wouldn't, youwouldn't know from the story,
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but I would imagine, like mostyoung men, he didn't really have
a plan.
He had a step he wanted to takeand didn't realize that there
was more after that.
And that's what happened.
You know he and he did whathappens when you take a step and
you find yourself in murkywaters.
You start consoling yourselfwith drinking and women and you
know fun times.
Because it's better thanapproach, than acknowledging
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that you didn't have a plan.
It's better than acknowledgingyou didn't have another step
after your first step.
And and that's a that's adownward spiral that a lot of us
have found ourselves in.
I don't have a next step, butI'm going to go try this and
then down the drain, and this iswhat happened.
Try this and then down thedrain, and this is what happened
to him.
And then at the end, like nearthe end of that part of the
story, it does say there was afamine in the land.
(06:51):
So even if he did have a plan,which highly doubt he did.
Javi (06:56):
it doesn't sound like it, even if he did they they?
Jason (07:05):
they clarify that there was a famine in the land.
David (07:07):
Nobody had money, nobody had food, nobody had anything,
and he was living like likeliterally in squalor right, yeah
.
Well, and that's what happens.
Is, you know, best laid plans?
You know, we know what happens.
Things happen where god has adifferent direction for you.
Things are gonna come up thatyou didn't expect.
So maybe his plan was, hey, I'mjust gonna go party with this,
and then, you know, maybe I'lljust kind of live off the land
and kind of be.
You know that type of lifestyle.
Jason (07:27):
I'm going to go do some work.
You know, work with my handsand make this stuff work.
But there was no work.
David (07:31):
There was no work, and now there's famine and there's
no food and there's no anything?
Yeah, so everything that he hadspent, and it was very specific
.
It said he spent everything andfamine happened.
Yeah, so now it ruined whateverplan.
Jason (07:42):
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
David (07:44):
Wow, yeah, that timing is important, right yeah, because
it ruined whatever he thought hewas going to do.
Now he can't, yeah, and he justspent all of his inheritance.
So now he is, he doesn't wantto go back home, he's
embarrassed, he is not gonna,you know, get work, or or he did
get, we ended up finding work,but he's not gonna have the, the
money to spend, um, and then heended up getting a job.
That again, we have to look atthis symbolically.
(08:06):
I was going to say talk aboutthis.
Jason (08:07):
This is important.
David (08:08):
So, symbolically, I mean, he is feeding pigs.
Okay, this is his job caringfor and feeding pigs but what
you don't realize is he wasJewish.
So, right off the bat, you'retalking about yeah, this is an
unclean animal that theywouldn't dare touch and his job
is to feed them, and he isactually jealous of them eating
(08:32):
the food that he wishes he couldeat.
While these are the uncleananimals you want to talk about,
I am at the absolute lowestpoint that I could possibly be
as a Jewish person taking careof an unclean animal.
Jason (08:46):
And also the farthest from God.
Let's not forget that.
You know, there's one thing tosay where I'm at in the social
chain, there's another thing tosay where I'm at on the
spiritual chain.
Oh, that's good.
And spiritually speaking, he isat his absolute lowest point.
He has no money, no friends, nofamily, he has no connection to
the town he's in.
He has a job, but even his jobis being done out of pure
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necessity, not out of any sortof purpose or anything else, and
he's doing it with pigs, whichare, in his religion, the
uncleanest of animals, and hedoesn't even have food.
He's so hungry that he wantsthe food of the pigs Like.
Javi (09:23):
So this guy is— have you seen those that?
That food, that little, what doyou call it a?
Trough, in the trough, yeah,it's like whoa, I was trying not
to think about that.
Jason (09:31):
But I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, I take it back but yeah,
you know the uh, think aboutthis guy's depleted, he's
depleted there's no, he's.
There's nothing left in himright, which which leads us to
the next part of the story,right?
David (09:43):
so he, he's at rock bottom and I'm gonna save the
symbolism for later.
But just part of the story ishe.
He knows he needs to go backhome.
Yeah, and he goes back home andagain, all the embarrassment,
all the shame, all the thoughtsof, hey, I'll accept whatever
they take me in.
He's, he's comparing, you knowwhat the servants in his house,
right, you know, eat and he'skind of looking at himself going
(10:04):
I'll even be a servant eatingthat and I'll be happier than I
am now.
So he is kind of going backlooking to be I'll be a servant
and I'm good with that.
And he goes back home and, likeJason mentioned, you know him
expecting this, you know, okay,great, he's back, we'll do
whatever for you.
He ends up getting thisincredible welcome from his
(10:24):
father.
His father runs.
Let's talk about what heexpected, right, yeah, what
would you expect?
Jason (10:30):
You know he's to my understanding.
You know he's.
He's in this lowest part of hislife and he says I want to go
back.
I would rather be one of myfather's servants, and at least
he'll accept me as a servant.
Even if he doesn't accept me asa son or even validate my
existence, he'll let me work forhim, at least out of the
kindest part of his heart, right?
So he's expecting to walk upand be like oh you loser.
(10:52):
You look, look what you didwith my half my inheritance.
Look what you do with half,with half of my earnings of my
life, what you did with half myinheritance.
Look what you did with half ofmy earnings of my life.
What you've done and you knowto be the word is escaping me,
but you know he's not beingtreated with any sort of respect
.
He's being, you know, chastisedfor what he has done wrong.
This is what you expect right.
(11:18):
Basically crawling back on handsand knees, having to beg to be
able to sleep in the servantquarters and, you know, eat
whatever.
Like this is what he'sexpecting and instead of that he
gets.
He sees from a distance thathis father is standing on the
hill, like waving him down, andexcited and joyful, and you know
, like, yeah, what a difference.
What a difference than what youexpect, right yeah, no, that's
incredible.
Javi (11:35):
I think that part of it him just kind of being
self-aware of where he was andwhat, um, just being able to
know that, you know what, I'mwilling to go through that just
to be, you know, at a differentplace or better, like that's I
have to honor that, I have to go, you know what.
That's great, that's good thatyou turn back.
That's a big deal for a lot ofpeople the ego, the you know
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what.
I don't want to do, that, whatthey're going to say.
I would just rather stay in my,my, my pit here, yeah, rather
than, like, deal with theridicule of my father or anybody
else, or even being a servantin his house.
No, he says I'd rather do thatand be a servant, I'll be taking
care of more.
And he did expect this, thislike you know who, you know
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bashing or whatever it is, buthe didn't, nope.
David (12:22):
So, as you said, she's his father waving him down,
excited to see him.
His father starts runningtowards him.
Yeah, this is also somethingagain you have to look at now
culturally.
What does this mean?
So, culturally, men do not run.
Okay, these men do not run, wow.
The reason being is right nowwe go.
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Okay, I have my joggers on, wego running.
No, it's kind of hard they'rewearing a tunic they have to
lift it up over their kneesright yeah to run.
Yeah, no man would have liftedup his skirt right.
His tunic right showed his barelegs.
This was something that theydid not do as a societal norm.
So his father was so excitedthat he went against the
societal norm to run towards hisson.
(13:03):
So it wasn't just hey, I'maccepting you back, it was just
an overjoyed moment where he'sgoing.
I'm even going against what weusually do.
I'm going to risk embarrassmentof all hanging out there and
all my knees, and all that justto get to my son.
Yeah, so that's the type, youknow, the type of excitement
(13:24):
that's going on here.
Yeah, really exciting momentAgain, symbolically, just to
look at what his father wasdoing.
Javi (13:29):
Yeah, let's not forget the sandals they're wearing and
that there's.
The rows are kind of like allbeat up and you know dirt rows
and rocks and stuff like that.
Jason (13:37):
I don, rows are kind of like all beat up and you know
dirt, rows and rocks and stufflike that.
I don't want to run that.
Javi (13:42):
Yeah, sorry, that was not exactly air max, right, this was
a joke, by the way.
David (13:44):
No, but what's interesting?
It's funny.
You bring them with sandals.
Literally what?
What the father does is heoffers him all of these things.
He's like this is my son, he'sback, he's so excited.
One of the things he offers himback, aside from the robe and
the ring, is our sandals.
Yes, oh, and what you?
Javi (13:58):
don't realize.
You're all over it.
This is a societal norm.
David (14:02):
Uh, the servant would have no sandals.
Yeah, oh, I don't know that.
Yep, the servants would have nosandals.
So now, when you have all thatrocky ground, you're like all
these poor servants are walkingall that, but they would have no
sandals.
It's the family members, right,that would have the sandals.
So him offering him a ring anda ring too right and a ring.
So what he's saying to him isyou are not a servant, you are
(14:22):
my son.
Jason (14:22):
Oh wow, I mean, this is so even that symbolism of the
sandal and the ring does thesame thing too, right, the ring
is is like a symbol of familialrelationship and so like a
family crest exactly, and soit's it's literally the
welcoming back into the familyand to some extent that ring is
another part of an inheritance.
So he's literally the welcomingback into the family and to
some extent that ring is anotherpart of an inheritance.
So he's getting his inheritanceback again beyond what he had
originally asked for, to the wayI understand it, is that right?
(14:44):
No, you're 100% correct.
And so, besides the fact it'snot like, okay, you screwed up,
you wasted half of my lifetimeearnings, but now there's more
for you still and again,monetarily or inheritance wise,
that's another big thing.
It's not that I'm welcoming youback as my son who has nothing.
I'm welcoming you back almostas if, whatever I have now you
(15:05):
still get half of.
Like that's a wild.
Javi (15:07):
Yeah, he didn't accept them in and go.
You know what?
Now you're going to sleep inthe barn and you're not going to
get any new clothes or whateverit is.
No, I'm restoring youCompletely, that's the word.
That's the word Complete,restoration Complete restoration
despite his entire failure.
Jason (15:22):
Yeah, and that is not the cut to the chase.
But like that is what our Goddoes right, like it doesn't
matter what you have done, wrongYou're.
Even if you ask for yourinheritance early, when you come
back you're still going to getyour inheritance.
That's the salvation and theforgiveness and whatever.
But sorry, I'm getting ahead ofmyself.
No, you're good.
David (15:39):
Well, and that restoration, that complete
restoration, happens with thenext part, which is killing the
fattened calf.
Yeah, where he says, go killthe fattened calf Again, we're
going to go right back intoJewish tradition is again a big
deal.
It's not like they had 30fattened calves out there, um,
but when you kill the fattenedcalf, typically you would invite
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everybody from the village toshare that with you.
it wouldn't be something you,you kill it and eat it yourself,
and that's it.
And hey, I'm hoarding this,this is mine, okay?
So what it's also saying is notonly am I restoring you, I'm
restoring you in front of theentire village.
Everybody here is going to knowmy son is back, you are my son.
You're taking back control overyou know, a member of this
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family, and he's saying thatpublicly.
Jason (16:26):
And also, if I can extend that, I mean we're talking
about a society that revolvedaround the village as part of
the family.
That's why people married intoyou know other things.
The city would becomestrengthened when the marriages
became strengthened, when eachperson who came in and went out
of the society strengthened orweakened the community.
So not only is this a story ofthe father welcoming him back,
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but the father welcoming backand saying to the rest of the
community you have to welcomehim back into the community as
well, which again look as aprodigal son myself.
I didn't just get welcomed backby God.
The church, you know, thepeople who are part of it,
welcomed me back as well, and Igot a stronger sense of
community and belonging throughthat than just being able to be
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able to say, hey, god, thanksfor this, but like I got you
guys right.
Like I got everybody else who wespend time with and things like
that, and my family got to bepart of something else.
So it's a story that even goesbeyond the direct familial
relationship and into thecommunal relationship.
Javi (17:25):
That's beautiful.
What a story, man.
No, I never thought about that,but you're right, you do
receive that and I think that'sone of the things that I've
always hung on to.
As far as churches, I thinkchurch is a place where you
could find community, peoplelike-minded, and you're giving
yourself up to this, to Christand the Lord, and having a
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community, having a brother anda sister in Christ that's able
to walk with you and kind ofhelp you through where you were
before.
You need to be shepherding.
Jason (17:56):
Strengthening is the word I would say too, right, like we
say say you want people who arelike-minded, and like-minded is
great, but the like-mindednessis beneficial when it is
supportive of each other, right,like when I know what it is
that I'm trying to do.
In the path I'm trying to walk,I need people to keep pushing
me back onto the path, right,that's the strengthening of my
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relationship and my walk.
I've had times in the lastcouple of years where I started
to get off the path and then Iwould either you know one of you
guys, I'd see you and whetheryou knew it or not, I'd see one
of you guys doing something andbe like you know that's the way
to do that.
Or or, at times, we've lookedat each other and gone wrong
direction, dude, yeah.
And think that's the mostprofound thing there, because
that's what matters within thereturn, yeah, right.
Javi (18:40):
It's you could return.
I open the door and you're herenow, but I'm you know I'm
always bringing it up that youdid leave.
You squandered everything Igave you.
You know I'm bashing you.
I'm treating you different thaneverybody else.
No, I'm walking you in the doorand I'm loving you and I'm
giving you the ring and I'mgiving you sandals.
Jason (18:57):
You know I'm still walking with you and I'm making
sure the community knows thatyou're back.
Javi (19:04):
Yeah, it's not just one and done.
It's kind of I'm continuing towalk with you within you
returning.
I am excited for you and I'mgoing to show my excitement.
Jason (19:13):
You have been reabsorbed into the family you have been
reabsorbed into it and we areall together again and we will
remain together again and it'sjust, it's just so, so beautiful
.
But let's talk about the otherside.
Well, you guys are actuallysegueing.
David (19:25):
It's funny you guys are segueing so easily.
For me you were talking abouthow the community kind of pushes
you back on track when you'refalling off the track.
In Jewish tradition tradition.
Okay, when this younger brotherwas falling off track it would
have been the responsibility ofthe older brother to correct
that action to push him back ontrack.
That is the societal norm intojewish community.
(19:46):
This older brother did not dothat.
He was not helping his brother.
Yeah, what he did was thecomplete opposite.
He got upset.
He was now.
He was not somebody who washelping his brother, shape his
life and what he should do andright and wrong.
He allowed him to be theprodigal.
And then when he came back, hethen started to grumble and get
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upset and said all these thingsthat I've been doing for you,
father, for so long and you'venever offered me a fatted calf,
you've never given me a partywith me and my friends.
He was very upset that he nevergot what he thought he deserved
from doing what he felt heshould have been doing this
whole time with his father.
Jason (20:26):
Yeah, you know it's funny because it took me the longest
time to realize.
At first, when I read thisstory over and over a few times,
it was like okay, well, thebrother is admittedly upset, yes
, and almost reasonably upset.
I've been here doing this.
I've been doing what you askedme to do, day after day.
I've been a responsible,dedicated, committed son to the
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things that you need.
I can get why he's upset.
I get it, and I never kind ofthought past that, and it wasn't
until maybe a few months agothat I realized that that's the
beauty of these parables is thathe sinned too, yep, and his sin
is equal to the guy who wentaway, and his sin is arrogance
and selfishness.
I've been doing this for you.
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Why does he get that?
He didn't have to leave to sinright.
He didn't have to do anythingwrong to sin.
It just became about him.
Javi (21:17):
And that was the sin.
Jason (21:18):
And I thought that was a really fascinating addition to
the story later was thatsometimes the sinning that
you're doing against the fatherisn't as blatant as the guy who
runs off and gambles andwomanizes in another city.
David (21:34):
But knowing now also that the tradition of Judaism,
knowing that the sin was theolder brother, is supposed to
take the younger brother underhis wing.
He's supposed to be doing theright thing.
By him, you're supposed to help, and this is the Pharisees.
Jason (21:48):
I'm adding more to it now .
David (21:49):
Yeah, they're looking at the Pharisees and they're going.
You know everything.
You know the scriptures betterthan everybody.
You're supposed to be the oneto help the community, and
you're not.
What you've done is putyourself first.
It's all about self.
You've turned your back onhelping the community.
You've only helped yourself.
Jason (22:08):
It's about fulfilling your obligations Correct.
It's about knowing what you'resupposed to be doing and doing
them, but not paying attentionto why or the result of the why.
Ooh attention to why, or theresult of the why.
Oh, that's a big one I hadnever thought about that.
Javi (22:21):
So when you put them in the pharisee's position, yeah,
I've always, when I see thatpart about the brother, I
thought about it of him beingthinking that it's unfair, right
and unfairness, and we we hadan episode on it talking about
unfairness and fairness, and, um, it takes me back to the
parable of the workers in thevineyard.
Yep, what?
Matthew, matthew 2015, orMatthew 21.
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And then what I really wantedto highlight was 2015,.
Which says don't I have theright to do what I want to do
with my money, or are youenvious because I am generous To
me?
The master there in thatparable is God and he's able to
do what he wants to do with thatinheritance.
It's his inheritance.
The brother shouldn't be mad atwhat's going on.
That's exactly right.
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He's taken care of.
That's another thing.
That's the other thing where weI'm taking it back to us as
humans right, we're going.
Wait a minute.
How can he be loved?
How come you take him in likethat and I've been here the
whole time and it's like thefather turns around and goes
you're living in this mansion,you've been taken care of.
What are you mad about?
Not only that, it's my money,it's my inheritance.
I do what I want with it.
We should be celebrating forhim to come back.
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This is the point.
The point is, hey, he left, nowhe's back.
He was lost, now he's found.
Let's celebrate that, yeah.
David (23:33):
Go and the inheritance is gifts.
I mean the inheritance.
We look at God and we look atthe big picture.
These are gifts that are beinggiven.
So if somebody has a gift andthey squander them, they're not
using the gifts that God gavethem.
That's the prodigal son andeventually he comes back and he
starts to what we assume isgoing to be to use his gifts.
And listen.
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His gift is definitely ofhappiness.
You see the happiness hisfather has in seeing him.
He's able to then do somethingwith those gifts.
Where the older son again wasalso given gifts, neither one of
them was given anythingdifferent from what the father
gave.
Jason (24:07):
They just saw it differently.
It's also interesting to notetoo, that he says and I'm
looking at Luke 15, 31.
The father said to him son, youare always with me and all that
is mine is yours Right.
So when he says that, it'salmost like saying you know, why
didn't you?
He asked him, why didn't youever kill a fatted calf?
For me he's like cause youdidn't ask, cause you didn't ask
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, you know like had had he?
Everything I have is yours.
All you had to do is ask.
My other son asked and he gotit.
He screwed it up, but he got it.
And you know, you just have anass.
You've just been, you know,steadily sitting there, you know
grumbling, and I think thisspeaks to needing to have a
relationship with God as well.
Right, it's like.
It's like you said, thePharisees is like putting a
whole new tweak on this in myhead.
But like you know they theywere not necessarily in
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relationship with God, they werein relationship with their
duties.
And this other son is now.
You know the father's basicallysaying had you asked me for
this, you'd have gotten it too.
Yeah, you would have gotten itjust as much.
The difference is you didn'task.
You were so busy doing yourdaily duties that you didn't
that you didn't take time tolook at me and talk to me about
what you really wanted.
Javi (25:12):
Yeah, when I look at the story, when I look at the
parable, it's like right aftertwo other parables before that,
right, and I'm not sure you weregoing to go there.
No, go for it.
But yeah, they talk about theparable of the lost sheep and
the parable of the woman losingone coin Right, I think what I.
Jason (25:30):
Can we talk about them for a second?
Let's talk about those parables.
Javi (25:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah, so yeah, the lost sheep is the shepherd
that goes out, I guess as ahundred sheep, yeah, as a
hundred sheep, and one of themgoes off and he leaves the 99
for that one sheep.
That's a beautiful song, what?
Song is that there's a song outthere that's pretty good.
He goes and finds that one toreturn it back and he's excited
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for it, he's celebrating for it.
He'll leave the 99 to go getthat and I think that's
beautiful about a goddess andcelebrate when he does.
And celebrates.
And same thing with the womanwho loses one coin She'll go to
the max to go and find that onecoin, to find that one single
coin single point and when shefinds it, she celebrates it.
Right, she celebrates.
And that's where I think thehighlight of this parable for
the prodigal son is.
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It's, yes, about the prodigalson being lost and coming back.
That's beautiful.
But god, celebrating us, yeah,for coming back, he's excited.
He's he's over the moon, he'sbeyond the moon, but he's, you
know, excited for us to comeback.
And I think that's the beautyof this story and all these
parables is how excited, how hewould go too long, to, to uh
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length, to get us back to hiskingdom, to get back to his
relationship with him and thenwe'll celebrate in heaven over
the return.
Jason (26:44):
Yeah yeah.
David (26:45):
Well, if you actually look at those three stories, the
stakes get higher and so doesthe celebration.
Yeah, that's good.
So the the sheep.
It says that heaven willcelebrate when the woman finds
her coin.
She invites her neighbors in toshow them she found her coin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The prodigal son, the entirevillage, the entire village.
That's good so as it gets moreand more intense, more and more
people are called in for thiscelebration.
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Yeah, so it's.
And listen, there's a lot ofacademia who actually don't call
this the parable of theprodigal son.
They actually call this theparable of the loving father.
Oh nice, Because what they lookat is this story of the father.
Jason (27:22):
Well, that's perfect.
It's really not about the son,right?
It's not about either of thesons.
Javi (27:28):
It's about the father and if you really stop and think
about it.
Jason (27:29):
It is about the father's love, it's about the father's
care.
It's about the father'sinfinite amount of giving Right,
the literal infinite amount ofgiving that he's willing to do
for you, and the celebratorynature of the love he has for
when he does have you in hisarms again, like that's, you're
right, it's beautiful.
Javi (27:51):
And the first thing I think about with that is those
people that maybe are strugglingwith their father, or those
that don't have a father andjust feel like, well, I don't
have a father to go run back to.
You know, we all have a father.
We have God, the father that wealways come back to me, and
that was one of my celebration,that was one of the things that
I hold on to tightly.
To me, coming to the faith is Ihave a father in heaven.
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That's that's going to takecare of me, he's going to
provide for me, he's going togive me the strength, he's going
to give me the wisdom to do thethings.
And my father, I love him somuch, but he's limited, he's
finite and he makes mistakes,and the mistakes he's made hurt
me.
But the God in heaven will takecare of me, he's going to walk
me through that, and I findpeace in that, having a father
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in heaven too.
David (28:36):
If you look at the symbolic references though
you're looking at, or you havethe inheritances.
He asked for the inheritanceright off the bat.
Jason (28:43):
Yeah, so before the father was dead he asked for
these gifts and he was thesecond son, so he wasn't
supposed to get it anyway, washe?
No, of course.
Which is crazy.
Which is another?
David (28:51):
crazy part, but God, the Father, gave it to him.
So we got our inheritancebefore the Father died.
So we look at Jesus Christ'sdeath yeah, we were given gifts
prior to it, wow, okay.
So we were given these gifts,these spiritual gifts, prior to
our death, prior to our death,prior to Jesus's death, we were
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given these, these.
So, to match up with what Godis saying at that moment, what
Jesus is literally saying atthat moment is everything that
we can declare as followers ofChrist, which is the father's
accepted us, he's given us inhis inheritance.
Everything we've seen, we are,we are in community with each
other, with mean man, the story.
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That's what I'm saying.
It's not.
I don't compare myself with aprodigal, that wasn't my life,
but I do look at this story andjust I'm in awe at God.
Javi (30:02):
I wanted to ask you guys, and maybe not to veer off a
little bit, but just somethingdeep in that sense you guys are
fathers and I wonder what youwould react as a father if your
son was to do something likethis and maybe on his return,
how would you react as well?
Jason (30:19):
oh, I mean, you just like this father, right?
Yeah, I think any father worthhis weight in salt who reads
this story on some level seeshimself as both son and father,
and sees himself as somebody whohas screwed up and needed their
own father, but also sees whatthey would have wanted that
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father to be and to be and forthem to themselves to become is
the father who believes in theirchildren so much that, even if
they squander, it's like anotherchance.
David (30:49):
I think, for me, I, I will always love my kids.
Yeah, uh, but I do see the youknow the difference between a
heavenly father who will allowyou to make your mistakes, and
as a father you're kind of like,look, I want to prevent these
mistakes, I want to not only doI want to be right and show you
hey, look, I've lived throughthis, right, I'm trying to teach
you a lesson here and when theycome back, to kind of put a,
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let me put an emphasis on this,let me, let me put an
exclamation mark so you rememberthis moment, maybe not to gloat
, but just to be like, hey, Idon't want you to forget about
this so quickly notice.
Jason (31:19):
I said fathers want to be like that.
David (31:22):
I don't.
I don't know if we're.
Jason (31:23):
I don't know if all fathers are able to be like this
I mean, it's just was.
Javi (31:26):
That was those famous words I told you.
So, yeah, yeah exactly.
Yeah.
Jason (31:31):
You don't want to hear that.
David (31:31):
No and I but listen.
Jason (31:33):
How do you say that in Hebrew?
David (31:36):
Obviously, the heavenly father knows a lot better.
His ways are a lot better thanmine.
So I I look at that and I go.
I don't know if I would havebeen able to follow exactly,
would I have run to my son,absolutely, because I would have
missed him and all of that, allof that.
The other thing is, you know, Imean he's hanging out with pigs
, feeding them unclean animals.
Javi (31:56):
He probably smelt pretty bad.
David (31:56):
So, you know, running towards him I'm like you need a
shower, but you know, theheavenly father's way is so much
better than mine.
Yeah, amen.
These stories always.
Not only do they teach mesomething, but they give me hope
that I can.
Every day, if I'm trying to bemore like Jesus, if every day
I'm trying to be better, I canlook at that story and go you
know what, maybe next time I canbe a little bit different,
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maybe next time I can help alittle bit better, I can be a
better, bigger brother tosomebody else, I can be a better
father to my kids, something.
And these stories are greatbecause when you start diving
into just how magnificent theyare with the symbolism, it's
funny which I'm going throughsymbolism today in here.
Jason (32:38):
Well, no, this is why Look for once we're talking
about a parable, so a parabledoesn't have to be taken
literally.
So we're in my universe.
Like I don't need to figure outwhether you know what this
guy's name was and where he camefrom, and you know, I don't
need to know that, I just needto know what the story is
telling me.
And this story is so intenselypowerful and I'll even challenge
you a bit, you know, to saythat you know, you said you
don't see yourself as theprodigal son because you didn't
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leave and go.
But there's something about theprodigal son story I think that
is true to all of us which is,remember I said earlier, in his
story he became the lowest partof society, the lowest part of
spirituality.
Yeah, and it wasn't until hehit his rock bottom that he was
able to see the necessity of hisfather.
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It wasn't until he reached acomplete and total and utter
darkness in his life, right whenhe had been crushed and broken
and realized that there wasnothing he could do to get
himself out of it, that herealized he needed to run to the
father.
And I think that there's onlytwo types of Christians.
There's the people who grew upin it, believe in it, know it,
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and they're the older son andthey're, you know, going through
the motions and they're diggingout the you know they're doing
what they have to do.
And then the other people, thepeople and, by the way, you can
be both, you can be both andthere's the people who have
faced darkness.
There are people who have facedaddiction.
There are people who have facedabuse.
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There are people who have, whohave faced.
I actually at one time thoughtthe clearest way to see Jesus is
to see the devil.
When you see the devil, yourealize how much you don't want
to be anywhere near that, andthat's when the face of Jesus
comes real clear and you're likethat's what I want.
There's this really great quotethat I heard once that the
tallest trees can't grow toheaven without having their
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roots planted in hell, and thatone has hit me for a long time
and I think this story tells methat story.
Like if you spend any time atall imagining what it's like to
get everything you want, tosquander it all, to be on the
lowest part of the societal,spiritual, emotional universe
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and then to realize, oh, that'swhat I need.
Javi (34:52):
Wait a minute.
Wow, you just made me think ofsomething.
Are you saying that theprodigal son took the
inheritance, took the success,let's say, and left the house,
left the kingdom?
So, without being in thekingdom, with the success, it
doesn't mean much, it doesn'tmean anything, right, without
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having that grounding, withouthaving that footing, without
having God in your life, that'sit.
Jason (35:17):
It doesn't mean much.
It doesn't mean anything, itdoesn't mean anything, and
that's the whole point of all ofthis is that none of this means
anything unless you have God asyour grounding, as your
grounding, foundation, none ofit means anything.
So he had everything.
He got, literally what.
Everything that was everythingthat was owed to him he got, and
it wasn't enough.
Right, and, and because,eventually, all this stuff what
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does you know?
What does God say?
Or what does Jesus say?
You know, all things will, willfade, but my words will not
Right.
So, and all the, all the moneyfaded, all of the prostitutes
faded, all of the, whatever thedrinking and carousing he was
doing faded, faded.
All of the, whatever thedrinking and carousing he was
doing faded.
Right, even working for his ownself-worth faded.
Yeah, there was nothing left.
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Yeah, all you ever have is god.
And this is, this is kind ofthe again like it's.
It's a story that can hit on somany different levels.
David (36:05):
I could talk about this forever but well, I can see
myself as a prodigal throughthat.
Yeah, that that is.
I mean, I definitely faced rockbottom in my life and I can
compare myself a little bitbetter with the prodigal now.
So, thank you.
Jason (36:18):
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David (36:59):
Thanks, see you, thank you.
Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
My name is David Shapiro, hey,I'm Javi Marquez and I'm Jason
Holloway.
Welcome.
How's it going?
Guys Doing well.
How are you Doing good?
I'm doing good.
I am very excited about today.
Yeah, yeah, this is you know.
I'm going to allow Jason tokind of intro it in, because
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this is something that he loves,actually the Prodigal Son is my
favorite story of all, forsemi-obvious reasons.
Jason (00:33):
You know, it's serendipitous that we're
recording this the Friday, theGood Friday, the day, you know,
two days before Easter, which ismy two-year anniversary to
coming back to the faith.
Amen, days before Easter, whichis my two-year anniversary to
coming back to the faith.
And the one story that got meso worked up every time I heard
it was the prodigal son.
And the prodigal son is thestory of a man who thinks he can
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do it himself and says Father,give me my inheritance, I'm
going to go off and I'm going todo it all myself, I don't need
you, you're holding me back.
And he goes and does it, onlyto find out he can't.
He can't do it, and you knowwe'll talk about the story far
more in detail.
But he ultimately comes back andthe father receives him.
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He expects to be received, notreceived at all, right, and he
ends up coming back and not onlybeing received, but being
received and and beingcelebrated for coming back.
And you know, again, selfishly,that is something that really
hit me.
It's like I didn't feel like Ideserve this.
I don't feel like I, that thisis for me and if I come back at
all.
There's, you know, punishmentthat should happen afterwards,
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and instead it's.
It's a joyous occasion, sothat's why this story is
important to me, so let's talkabout it.
David (01:44):
I was just going to ask you know, do you consider
yourself the prodigal?
Jason (01:47):
I was just going to say that I mean without a doubt yeah
, I mean without a doubt I, Ivery selfish, very believing I
can do it myself, not seeing thewisdom of the father who was
trying to raise me and teach meand guide me in the ways, and
being, you know, arrogant enoughto believe I could do it myself
, only to find out that, shocker, can't do it.
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And yeah, and then you knowagain, when I came back, I there
was nothing but love and careand welcoming and you know the,
the reconnection that was therewhen I came back and that's and
I didn't deserve it.
So, yeah, totally, javi, areyou the prodigal?
Javi (02:25):
Um, when I think about the prodigal son in the story, I I
do consider myself that way in asense.
Um, you know, I didn't followthe faith, or never in my life
really.
And um, coming to christ, Ifelt in that I related to that
story and in the sense of me notbeing just kind of doing my own
thing and and and kind ofsquandering opportunities and
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squandering times to, to, tolove and and and just kind of
have a relationship with withChrist early on in my life.
And I rejected that and I thinkme coming to faith, um, I do
receive what I what I believe isamazing grace, Um, it's
unmerited favor from from Godand receiving me into his
kingdom.
David (03:06):
Okay, you know I don't consider myself a prodigal,
which is interesting, but I love.
This is one of my favoritestories.
The symbolism is off the charts.
Yeah, in this.
Jason (03:15):
It's so deep.
Yeah, let's get started.
David (03:18):
Let's dive right in.
So one of the things that Ilove right off the bat and if
you don't know the story, it's avery quick one to read.
But this son asks for hisinheritance from the father and
right off the bat you go okay,the son's asking for his
inheritance, he wants to goparty, he wants to do all this
stuff.
We don't realize that in Jewishtradition, you do not get your
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inheritance until the person haspassed, yeah.
So it's almost as if saying Iwish you were dead.
Yeah, father, I wish you weredead.
For sure, I want my inheritance.
Oh, wow, um, it's reallyintense.
So he's asking for money thatis not due to him at this moment
, right, and the father gives itto him, which is even more
astonishing that's one of thethat's like.
Jason (03:58):
It's kind of the first big, like blow-up point.
When you start to think into itand you go, the father didn't
say you, he didn't throw him ina cell, and be like you,
ungrateful creature, you.
He said okay, he didn't, youknow, push him away.
He didn't do it with anger oranything else, he just says okay
.
Javi (04:16):
Okay, yeah, and he gives it to him Like he didn't have to
.
Jason (04:19):
he didn't have to give him under no law.
Was he supposed to, or did heneed to give him?
But he did, and that sayseverything.
David (04:25):
For reference.
Just we should have probablypointed this out.
But Luke 15, 11 through 32 iswhat the prodigal son story is.
This is the parable.
So just so you have a referenceas to where we're looking into.
So, yes, he gets hisinheritance and he goes off and
he leaves his town.
It's very important becausewhen you think about people
going to college or somethinglike that, where do they do the
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most of their?
You know, partying is hey, Ineed to be away from my hometown
.
I don't want people to know me.
I'm going to not my son, kindof go.
Javi (04:55):
I don't have any kids, but I can imagine parents thinking
like not my son, my son is, youknow he's go away, he went away
so he could be away from hisfriends.
Jason (05:03):
So he could be good and wise and kind.
Yeah, that's what all theparents were thinking, I'm sure.
David (05:08):
And he squandered his money.
And here's the thing when youthink about wasting money, this
wasn't as if he was living andhe didn't want to work, and it
went little after little, youknow, a little bit at a time.
This is something where he wentand partied and went through
this money very, very quickly,this inheritance was very rapid.
Javi (05:28):
Now that you guys are talking about it, I'm thinking
about what was your plan?
What was his plan to take thismoney, and was it just to be
rebellious or just to live out?
Maybe he was tired of justbeing at home the whole time and
he just wanted.
You know what I want to breakout of here and I want to rebel.
Were you trying to start abusiness or something?
What were you trying to do withthat money?
Jason (05:46):
You know it's funny.
You say that because I oftenthink that kids think they have
a plan, but if you actually stopand ask them the question and I
say kids, meaning lateteenagers, early- 20s they think
they have a plan, but theydon't realize it's not actually
a plan.
It's just a single motion to getaway from family, but then they
don't realize that there's awhole lot after that, right.
So I don't know if he had a.
I mean, you wouldn't, youwouldn't know from the story,
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but I would imagine, like mostyoung men, he didn't really have
a plan.
He had a step he wanted to takeand didn't realize that there
was more after that.
And that's what happened.
You know he and he did whathappens when you take a step and
you find yourself in murkywaters.
You start consoling yourselfwith drinking and women and you
know fun times.
Because it's better thanapproach, than acknowledging
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that you didn't have a plan.
It's better than acknowledgingyou didn't have another step
after your first step.
And and that's a that's adownward spiral that a lot of us
have found ourselves in.
I don't have a next step, butI'm going to go try this and
then down the drain, and this iswhat happened.
Try this and then down thedrain, and this is what happened
to him.
And then at the end, like nearthe end of that part of the
story, it does say there was afamine in the land.
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So even if he did have a plan,which highly doubt he did.
Javi (06:56):
it doesn't sound like it, even if he did they they?
Jason (07:05):
they clarify that there was a famine in the land.
David (07:07):
Nobody had money, nobody had food, nobody had anything,
and he was living like likeliterally in squalor right, yeah
.
Well, and that's what happens.
Is, you know, best laid plans?
You know, we know what happens.
Things happen where god has adifferent direction for you.
Things are gonna come up thatyou didn't expect.
So maybe his plan was, hey, I'mjust gonna go party with this,
and then, you know, maybe I'lljust kind of live off the land
and kind of be.
You know that type of lifestyle.
Jason (07:27):
I'm going to go do some work.
You know, work with my handsand make this stuff work.
But there was no work.
David (07:31):
There was no work, and now there's famine and there's
no food and there's no anything?
Yeah, so everything that he hadspent, and it was very specific
.
It said he spent everything andfamine happened.
Yeah, so now it ruined whateverplan.
Jason (07:42):
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
David (07:44):
Wow, yeah, that timing is important, right yeah, because
it ruined whatever he thought hewas going to do.
Now he can't, yeah, and he justspent all of his inheritance.
So now he is, he doesn't wantto go back home, he's
embarrassed, he is not gonna,you know, get work, or or he did
get, we ended up finding work,but he's not gonna have the, the
money to spend, um, and then heended up getting a job.
That again, we have to look atthis symbolically.
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I was going to say talk aboutthis.
Jason (08:07):
This is important.
David (08:08):
So, symbolically, I mean, he is feeding pigs.
Okay, this is his job caringfor and feeding pigs but what
you don't realize is he wasJewish.
So, right off the bat, you'retalking about yeah, this is an
unclean animal that theywouldn't dare touch and his job
is to feed them, and he isactually jealous of them eating
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the food that he wishes he couldeat.
While these are the uncleananimals you want to talk about,
I am at the absolute lowestpoint that I could possibly be
as a Jewish person taking careof an unclean animal.
Jason (08:46):
And also the farthest from God.
Let's not forget that.
You know, there's one thing tosay where I'm at in the social
chain, there's another thing tosay where I'm at on the
spiritual chain.
Oh, that's good.
And spiritually speaking, he isat his absolute lowest point.
He has no money, no friends, nofamily, he has no connection to
the town he's in.
He has a job, but even his jobis being done out of pure
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necessity, not out of any sortof purpose or anything else, and
he's doing it with pigs, whichare, in his religion, the
uncleanest of animals, and hedoesn't even have food.
He's so hungry that he wantsthe food of the pigs Like.
Javi (09:23):
So this guy is— have you seen those that?
That food, that little, what doyou call it a?
Trough, in the trough, yeah,it's like whoa, I was trying not
to think about that.
Jason (09:31):
But I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, I take it back but yeah,
you know the uh, think aboutthis guy's depleted, he's
depleted there's no, he's.
There's nothing left in himright, which which leads us to
the next part of the story,right?
David (09:43):
so he, he's at rock bottom and I'm gonna save the
symbolism for later.
But just part of the story ishe.
He knows he needs to go backhome.
Yeah, and he goes back home andagain, all the embarrassment,
all the shame, all the thoughtsof, hey, I'll accept whatever
they take me in.
He's, he's comparing, you knowwhat the servants in his house,
right, you know, eat and he'skind of looking at himself going
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I'll even be a servant eatingthat and I'll be happier than I
am now.
So he is kind of going backlooking to be I'll be a servant
and I'm good with that.
And he goes back home and, likeJason mentioned, you know him
expecting this, you know, okay,great, he's back, we'll do
whatever for you.
He ends up getting thisincredible welcome from his
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father.
His father runs.
Let's talk about what heexpected, right, yeah, what
would you expect?
Jason (10:30):
You know he's to my understanding.
You know he's.
He's in this lowest part of hislife and he says I want to go
back.
I would rather be one of myfather's servants, and at least
he'll accept me as a servant.
Even if he doesn't accept me asa son or even validate my
existence, he'll let me work forhim, at least out of the
kindest part of his heart, right?
So he's expecting to walk upand be like oh you loser.
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You look, look what you didwith my half my inheritance.
Look what you do with half,with half of my earnings of my
life, what you did with half myinheritance.
Look what you did with half ofmy earnings of my life.
What you've done and you knowto be the word is escaping me,
but you know he's not beingtreated with any sort of respect
.
He's being, you know, chastisedfor what he has done wrong.
This is what you expect right.
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Basically crawling back on handsand knees, having to beg to be
able to sleep in the servantquarters and, you know, eat
whatever.
Like this is what he'sexpecting and instead of that he
gets.
He sees from a distance thathis father is standing on the
hill, like waving him down, andexcited and joyful, and you know
, like, yeah, what a difference.
What a difference than what youexpect, right yeah, no, that's
incredible.
Javi (11:35):
I think that part of it him just kind of being
self-aware of where he was andwhat, um, just being able to
know that, you know what, I'mwilling to go through that just
to be, you know, at a differentplace or better, like that's I
have to honor that, I have to go, you know what.
That's great, that's good thatyou turn back.
That's a big deal for a lot ofpeople the ego, the you know
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what.
I don't want to do, that, whatthey're going to say.
I would just rather stay in my,my, my pit here, yeah, rather
than, like, deal with theridicule of my father or anybody
else, or even being a servantin his house.
No, he says I'd rather do thatand be a servant, I'll be taking
care of more.
And he did expect this, thislike you know who, you know
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bashing or whatever it is, buthe didn't, nope.
David (12:22):
So, as you said, she's his father waving him down,
excited to see him.
His father starts runningtowards him.
Yeah, this is also somethingagain you have to look at now
culturally.
What does this mean?
So, culturally, men do not run.
Okay, these men do not run, wow.
The reason being is right nowwe go.
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Okay, I have my joggers on, wego running.
No, it's kind of hard they'rewearing a tunic they have to
lift it up over their kneesright yeah to run.
Yeah, no man would have liftedup his skirt right.
His tunic right showed his barelegs.
This was something that theydid not do as a societal norm.
So his father was so excitedthat he went against the
societal norm to run towards hisson.
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So it wasn't just hey, I'maccepting you back, it was just
an overjoyed moment where he'sgoing.
I'm even going against what weusually do.
I'm going to risk embarrassmentof all hanging out there and
all my knees, and all that justto get to my son.
Yeah, so that's the type, youknow, the type of excitement
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that's going on here.
Yeah, really exciting momentAgain, symbolically, just to
look at what his father wasdoing.
Javi (13:29):
Yeah, let's not forget the sandals they're wearing and
that there's.
The rows are kind of like allbeat up and you know dirt rows
and rocks and stuff like that.
Jason (13:37):
I don, rows are kind of like all beat up and you know
dirt, rows and rocks and stufflike that.
I don't want to run that.
Javi (13:42):
Yeah, sorry, that was not exactly air max, right, this was
a joke, by the way.
David (13:44):
No, but what's interesting?
It's funny.
You bring them with sandals.
Literally what?
What the father does is heoffers him all of these things.
He's like this is my son, he'sback, he's so excited.
One of the things he offers himback, aside from the robe and
the ring, is our sandals.
Yes, oh, and what you?
Javi (13:58):
don't realize.
You're all over it.
This is a societal norm.
David (14:02):
Uh, the servant would have no sandals.
Yeah, oh, I don't know that.
Yep, the servants would have nosandals.
So now, when you have all thatrocky ground, you're like all
these poor servants are walkingall that, but they would have no
sandals.
It's the family members, right,that would have the sandals.
So him offering him a ring anda ring too right and a ring.
So what he's saying to him isyou are not a servant, you are
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my son.
Jason (14:22):
Oh wow, I mean, this is so even that symbolism of the
sandal and the ring does thesame thing too, right, the ring
is is like a symbol of familialrelationship and so like a
family crest exactly, and soit's it's literally the
welcoming back into the familyand to some extent that ring is
another part of an inheritance.
So he's literally the welcomingback into the family and to
some extent that ring is anotherpart of an inheritance.
So he's getting his inheritanceback again beyond what he had
originally asked for, to the wayI understand it, is that right?
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No, you're 100% correct.
And so, besides the fact it'snot like, okay, you screwed up,
you wasted half of my lifetimeearnings, but now there's more
for you still and again,monetarily or inheritance wise,
that's another big thing.
It's not that I'm welcoming youback as my son who has nothing.
I'm welcoming you back almostas if, whatever I have now you
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still get half of.
Like that's a wild.
Javi (15:07):
Yeah, he didn't accept them in and go.
You know what?
Now you're going to sleep inthe barn and you're not going to
get any new clothes or whateverit is.
No, I'm restoring youCompletely, that's the word.
That's the word Complete,restoration Complete restoration
despite his entire failure.
Jason (15:22):
Yeah, and that is not the cut to the chase.
But like that is what our Goddoes right, like it doesn't
matter what you have done, wrongYou're.
Even if you ask for yourinheritance early, when you come
back you're still going to getyour inheritance.
That's the salvation and theforgiveness and whatever.
But sorry, I'm getting ahead ofmyself.
No, you're good.
David (15:39):
Well, and that restoration, that complete
restoration, happens with thenext part, which is killing the
fattened calf.
Yeah, where he says, go killthe fattened calf Again, we're
going to go right back intoJewish tradition is again a big
deal.
It's not like they had 30fattened calves out there, um,
but when you kill the fattenedcalf, typically you would invite
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everybody from the village toshare that with you.
it wouldn't be something you,you kill it and eat it yourself,
and that's it.
And hey, I'm hoarding this,this is mine, okay?
So what it's also saying is notonly am I restoring you, I'm
restoring you in front of theentire village.
Everybody here is going to knowmy son is back, you are my son.
You're taking back control overyou know, a member of this
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family, and he's saying thatpublicly.
Jason (16:26):
And also, if I can extend that, I mean we're talking
about a society that revolvedaround the village as part of
the family.
That's why people married intoyou know other things.
The city would becomestrengthened when the marriages
became strengthened, when eachperson who came in and went out
of the society strengthened orweakened the community.
So not only is this a story ofthe father welcoming him back,
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but the father welcoming backand saying to the rest of the
community you have to welcomehim back into the community as
well, which again look as aprodigal son myself.
I didn't just get welcomed backby God.
The church, you know, thepeople who are part of it,
welcomed me back as well, and Igot a stronger sense of
community and belonging throughthat than just being able to be
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able to say, hey, god, thanksfor this, but like I got you
guys right.
Like I got everybody else who wespend time with and things like
that, and my family got to bepart of something else.
So it's a story that even goesbeyond the direct familial
relationship and into thecommunal relationship.
Javi (17:25):
That's beautiful.
What a story, man.
No, I never thought about that,but you're right, you do
receive that and I think that'sone of the things that I've
always hung on to.
As far as churches, I thinkchurch is a place where you
could find community, peoplelike-minded, and you're giving
yourself up to this, to Christand the Lord, and having a
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community, having a brother anda sister in Christ that's able
to walk with you and kind ofhelp you through where you were
before.
You need to be shepherding.
Jason (17:56):
Strengthening is the word I would say too, right, like we
say say you want people who arelike-minded, and like-minded is
great, but the like-mindednessis beneficial when it is
supportive of each other, right,like when I know what it is
that I'm trying to do.
In the path I'm trying to walk,I need people to keep pushing
me back onto the path, right,that's the strengthening of my
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relationship and my walk.
I've had times in the lastcouple of years where I started
to get off the path and then Iwould either you know one of you
guys, I'd see you and whetheryou knew it or not, I'd see one
of you guys doing something andbe like you know that's the way
to do that.
Or or, at times, we've lookedat each other and gone wrong
direction, dude, yeah.
And think that's the mostprofound thing there, because
that's what matters within thereturn, yeah, right.
Javi (18:40):
It's you could return.
I open the door and you're herenow, but I'm you know I'm
always bringing it up that youdid leave.
You squandered everything Igave you.
You know I'm bashing you.
I'm treating you different thaneverybody else.
No, I'm walking you in the doorand I'm loving you and I'm
giving you the ring and I'mgiving you sandals.
Jason (18:57):
You know I'm still walking with you and I'm making
sure the community knows thatyou're back.
Javi (19:04):
Yeah, it's not just one and done.
It's kind of I'm continuing towalk with you within you
returning.
I am excited for you and I'mgoing to show my excitement.
Jason (19:13):
You have been reabsorbed into the family you have been
reabsorbed into it and we areall together again and we will
remain together again and it'sjust, it's just so, so beautiful
.
But let's talk about the otherside.
Well, you guys are actuallysegueing.
David (19:25):
It's funny you guys are segueing so easily.
For me you were talking abouthow the community kind of pushes
you back on track when you'refalling off the track.
In Jewish tradition tradition.
Okay, when this younger brotherwas falling off track it would
have been the responsibility ofthe older brother to correct
that action to push him back ontrack.
That is the societal norm intojewish community.
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This older brother did not dothat.
He was not helping his brother.
Yeah, what he did was thecomplete opposite.
He got upset.
He was now.
He was not somebody who washelping his brother, shape his
life and what he should do andright and wrong.
He allowed him to be theprodigal.
And then when he came back, hethen started to grumble and get
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upset and said all these thingsthat I've been doing for you,
father, for so long and you'venever offered me a fatted calf,
you've never given me a partywith me and my friends.
He was very upset that he nevergot what he thought he deserved
from doing what he felt heshould have been doing this
whole time with his father.
Jason (20:26):
Yeah, you know it's funny because it took me the longest
time to realize.
At first, when I read thisstory over and over a few times,
it was like okay, well, thebrother is admittedly upset, yes
, and almost reasonably upset.
I've been here doing this.
I've been doing what you askedme to do, day after day.
I've been a responsible,dedicated, committed son to the
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things that you need.
I can get why he's upset.
I get it, and I never kind ofthought past that, and it wasn't
until maybe a few months agothat I realized that that's the
beauty of these parables is thathe sinned too, yep, and his sin
is equal to the guy who wentaway, and his sin is arrogance
and selfishness.
I've been doing this for you.
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Why does he get that?
He didn't have to leave to sinright.
He didn't have to do anythingwrong to sin.
It just became about him.
Javi (21:17):
And that was the sin.
Jason (21:18):
And I thought that was a really fascinating addition to
the story later was thatsometimes the sinning that
you're doing against the fatherisn't as blatant as the guy who
runs off and gambles andwomanizes in another city.
David (21:34):
But knowing now also that the tradition of Judaism,
knowing that the sin was theolder brother, is supposed to
take the younger brother underhis wing.
He's supposed to be doing theright thing.
By him, you're supposed to help, and this is the Pharisees.
Jason (21:48):
I'm adding more to it now .
David (21:49):
Yeah, they're looking at the Pharisees and they're going.
You know everything.
You know the scriptures betterthan everybody.
You're supposed to be the oneto help the community, and
you're not.
What you've done is putyourself first.
It's all about self.
You've turned your back onhelping the community.
You've only helped yourself.
Jason (22:08):
It's about fulfilling your obligations Correct.
It's about knowing what you'resupposed to be doing and doing
them, but not paying attentionto why or the result of the why.
Ooh attention to why, or theresult of the why.
Oh, that's a big one I hadnever thought about that.
Javi (22:21):
So when you put them in the pharisee's position, yeah,
I've always, when I see thatpart about the brother, I
thought about it of him beingthinking that it's unfair, right
and unfairness, and we we hadan episode on it talking about
unfairness and fairness, and, um, it takes me back to the
parable of the workers in thevineyard.
Yep, what?
Matthew, matthew 2015, orMatthew 21.
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And then what I really wantedto highlight was 2015,.
Which says don't I have theright to do what I want to do
with my money, or are youenvious because I am generous To
me?
The master there in thatparable is God and he's able to
do what he wants to do with thatinheritance.
It's his inheritance.
The brother shouldn't be mad atwhat's going on.
That's exactly right.
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He's taken care of.
That's another thing.
That's the other thing where weI'm taking it back to us as
humans right, we're going.
Wait a minute.
How can he be loved?
How come you take him in likethat and I've been here the
whole time and it's like thefather turns around and goes
you're living in this mansion,you've been taken care of.
What are you mad about?
Not only that, it's my money,it's my inheritance.
I do what I want with it.
We should be celebrating forhim to come back.
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This is the point.
The point is, hey, he left, nowhe's back.
He was lost, now he's found.
Let's celebrate that, yeah.
David (23:33):
Go and the inheritance is gifts.
I mean the inheritance.
We look at God and we look atthe big picture.
These are gifts that are beinggiven.
So if somebody has a gift andthey squander them, they're not
using the gifts that God gavethem.
That's the prodigal son andeventually he comes back and he
starts to what we assume isgoing to be to use his gifts.
And listen.
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His gift is definitely ofhappiness.
You see the happiness hisfather has in seeing him.
He's able to then do somethingwith those gifts.
Where the older son again wasalso given gifts, neither one of
them was given anythingdifferent from what the father
gave.
Jason (24:07):
They just saw it differently.
It's also interesting to notetoo, that he says and I'm
looking at Luke 15, 31.
The father said to him son, youare always with me and all that
is mine is yours Right.
So when he says that, it'salmost like saying you know, why
didn't you?
He asked him, why didn't youever kill a fatted calf?
For me he's like cause youdidn't ask, cause you didn't ask
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, you know like had had he?
Everything I have is yours.
All you had to do is ask.
My other son asked and he gotit.
He screwed it up, but he got it.
And you know, you just have anass.
You've just been, you know,steadily sitting there, you know
grumbling, and I think thisspeaks to needing to have a
relationship with God as well.
Right, it's like.
It's like you said, thePharisees is like putting a
whole new tweak on this in myhead.
But like you know they theywere not necessarily in
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relationship with God, they werein relationship with their
duties.
And this other son is now.
You know the father's basicallysaying had you asked me for
this, you'd have gotten it too.
Yeah, you would have gotten itjust as much.
The difference is you didn'task.
You were so busy doing yourdaily duties that you didn't
that you didn't take time tolook at me and talk to me about
what you really wanted.
Javi (25:12):
Yeah, when I look at the story, when I look at the
parable, it's like right aftertwo other parables before that,
right, and I'm not sure you weregoing to go there.
No, go for it.
But yeah, they talk about theparable of the lost sheep and
the parable of the woman losingone coin Right, I think what I.
Jason (25:30):
Can we talk about them for a second?
Let's talk about those parables.
Javi (25:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah, so yeah, the lost sheep is the shepherd
that goes out, I guess as ahundred sheep, yeah, as a
hundred sheep, and one of themgoes off and he leaves the 99
for that one sheep.
That's a beautiful song, what?
Song is that there's a song outthere that's pretty good.
He goes and finds that one toreturn it back and he's excited
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for it, he's celebrating for it.
He'll leave the 99 to go getthat and I think that's
beautiful about a goddess andcelebrate when he does.
And celebrates.
And same thing with the womanwho loses one coin She'll go to
the max to go and find that onecoin, to find that one single
coin single point and when shefinds it, she celebrates it.
Right, she celebrates.
And that's where I think thehighlight of this parable for
the prodigal son is.
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It's, yes, about the prodigalson being lost and coming back.
That's beautiful.
But god, celebrating us, yeah,for coming back, he's excited.
He's he's over the moon, he'sbeyond the moon, but he's, you
know, excited for us to comeback.
And I think that's the beautyof this story and all these
parables is how excited, how hewould go too long, to, to uh
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length, to get us back to hiskingdom, to get back to his
relationship with him and thenwe'll celebrate in heaven over
the return.
Jason (26:44):
Yeah yeah.
David (26:45):
Well, if you actually look at those three stories, the
stakes get higher and so doesthe celebration.
Yeah, that's good.
So the the sheep.
It says that heaven willcelebrate when the woman finds
her coin.
She invites her neighbors in toshow them she found her coin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The prodigal son, the entirevillage, the entire village.
That's good so as it gets moreand more intense, more and more
people are called in for thiscelebration.
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Yeah, so it's.
And listen, there's a lot ofacademia who actually don't call
this the parable of theprodigal son.
They actually call this theparable of the loving father.
Oh nice, Because what they lookat is this story of the father.
Jason (27:22):
Well, that's perfect.
It's really not about the son,right?
It's not about either of thesons.
Javi (27:28):
It's about the father and if you really stop and think
about it.
Jason (27:29):
It is about the father's love, it's about the father's
care.
It's about the father'sinfinite amount of giving Right,
the literal infinite amount ofgiving that he's willing to do
for you, and the celebratorynature of the love he has for
when he does have you in hisarms again, like that's, you're
right, it's beautiful.
Javi (27:51):
And the first thing I think about with that is those
people that maybe are strugglingwith their father, or those
that don't have a father andjust feel like, well, I don't
have a father to go run back to.
You know, we all have a father.
We have God, the father that wealways come back to me, and
that was one of my celebration,that was one of the things that
I hold on to tightly.
To me, coming to the faith is Ihave a father in heaven.
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That's that's going to takecare of me, he's going to
provide for me, he's going togive me the strength, he's going
to give me the wisdom to do thethings.
And my father, I love him somuch, but he's limited, he's
finite and he makes mistakes,and the mistakes he's made hurt
me.
But the God in heaven will takecare of me, he's going to walk
me through that, and I findpeace in that, having a father
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in heaven too.
David (28:36):
If you look at the symbolic references though
you're looking at, or you havethe inheritances.
He asked for the inheritanceright off the bat.
Jason (28:43):
Yeah, so before the father was dead he asked for
these gifts and he was thesecond son, so he wasn't
supposed to get it anyway, washe?
No, of course.
Which is crazy.
Which is another?
David (28:51):
crazy part, but God, the Father, gave it to him.
So we got our inheritancebefore the Father died.
So we look at Jesus Christ'sdeath yeah, we were given gifts
prior to it, wow, okay.
So we were given these gifts,these spiritual gifts, prior to
our death, prior to our death,prior to Jesus's death, we were
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given these, these.
So, to match up with what Godis saying at that moment, what
Jesus is literally saying atthat moment is everything that
we can declare as followers ofChrist, which is the father's
accepted us, he's given us inhis inheritance.
Everything we've seen, we are,we are in community with each
other, with mean man, the story.
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That's what I'm saying.
It's not.
I don't compare myself with aprodigal, that wasn't my life,
but I do look at this story andjust I'm in awe at God.
Javi (30:02):
I wanted to ask you guys, and maybe not to veer off a
little bit, but just somethingdeep in that sense you guys are
fathers and I wonder what youwould react as a father if your
son was to do something likethis and maybe on his return,
how would you react as well?
Jason (30:19):
oh, I mean, you just like this father, right?
Yeah, I think any father worthhis weight in salt who reads
this story on some level seeshimself as both son and father,
and sees himself as somebody whohas screwed up and needed their
own father, but also sees whatthey would have wanted that
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father to be and to be and forthem to themselves to become is
the father who believes in theirchildren so much that, even if
they squander, it's like anotherchance.
David (30:49):
I think, for me, I, I will always love my kids.
Yeah, uh, but I do see the youknow the difference between a
heavenly father who will allowyou to make your mistakes, and
as a father you're kind of like,look, I want to prevent these
mistakes, I want to not only doI want to be right and show you
hey, look, I've lived throughthis, right, I'm trying to teach
you a lesson here and when theycome back, to kind of put a,
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let me put an emphasis on this,let me, let me put an
exclamation mark so you rememberthis moment, maybe not to gloat
, but just to be like, hey, Idon't want you to forget about
this so quickly notice.
Jason (31:19):
I said fathers want to be like that.
David (31:22):
I don't.
I don't know if we're.
Jason (31:23):
I don't know if all fathers are able to be like this
I mean, it's just was.
Javi (31:26):
That was those famous words I told you.
So, yeah, yeah exactly.
Yeah.
Jason (31:31):
You don't want to hear that.
David (31:31):
No and I but listen.
Jason (31:33):
How do you say that in Hebrew?
David (31:36):
Obviously, the heavenly father knows a lot better.
His ways are a lot better thanmine.
So I I look at that and I go.
I don't know if I would havebeen able to follow exactly,
would I have run to my son,absolutely, because I would have
missed him and all of that, allof that.
The other thing is, you know, Imean he's hanging out with pigs
, feeding them unclean animals.
Javi (31:56):
He probably smelt pretty bad.
David (31:56):
So, you know, running towards him I'm like you need a
shower, but you know, theheavenly father's way is so much
better than mine.
Yeah, amen.
These stories always.
Not only do they teach mesomething, but they give me hope
that I can.
Every day, if I'm trying to bemore like Jesus, if every day
I'm trying to be better, I canlook at that story and go you
know what, maybe next time I canbe a little bit different,
(32:17):
maybe next time I can help alittle bit better, I can be a
better, bigger brother tosomebody else, I can be a better
father to my kids, something.
And these stories are greatbecause when you start diving
into just how magnificent theyare with the symbolism, it's
funny which I'm going throughsymbolism today in here.
Jason (32:38):
Well, no, this is why Look for once we're talking
about a parable, so a parabledoesn't have to be taken
literally.
So we're in my universe.
Like I don't need to figure outwhether you know what this
guy's name was and where he camefrom, and you know, I don't
need to know that, I just needto know what the story is
telling me.
And this story is so intenselypowerful and I'll even challenge
you a bit, you know, to saythat you know, you said you
don't see yourself as theprodigal son because you didn't
(33:01):
leave and go.
But there's something about theprodigal son story I think that
is true to all of us which is,remember I said earlier, in his
story he became the lowest partof society, the lowest part of
spirituality.
Yeah, and it wasn't until hehit his rock bottom that he was
able to see the necessity of hisfather.
(33:23):
It wasn't until he reached acomplete and total and utter
darkness in his life, right whenhe had been crushed and broken
and realized that there wasnothing he could do to get
himself out of it, that herealized he needed to run to the
father.
And I think that there's onlytwo types of Christians.
There's the people who grew upin it, believe in it, know it,
(33:44):
and they're the older son andthey're, you know, going through
the motions and they're diggingout the you know they're doing
what they have to do.
And then the other people, thepeople and, by the way, you can
be both, you can be both andthere's the people who have
faced darkness.
There are people who have facedaddiction.
There are people who have facedabuse.
(34:05):
There are people who have, whohave faced.
I actually at one time thoughtthe clearest way to see Jesus is
to see the devil.
When you see the devil, yourealize how much you don't want
to be anywhere near that, andthat's when the face of Jesus
comes real clear and you're likethat's what I want.
There's this really great quotethat I heard once that the
tallest trees can't grow toheaven without having their
(34:27):
roots planted in hell, and thatone has hit me for a long time
and I think this story tells methat story.
Like if you spend any time atall imagining what it's like to
get everything you want, tosquander it all, to be on the
lowest part of the societal,spiritual, emotional universe
(34:50):
and then to realize, oh, that'swhat I need.
Javi (34:52):
Wait a minute.
Wow, you just made me think ofsomething.
Are you saying that theprodigal son took the
inheritance, took the success,let's say, and left the house,
left the kingdom?
So, without being in thekingdom, with the success, it
doesn't mean much, it doesn'tmean anything, right, without
(35:13):
having that grounding, withouthaving that footing, without
having God in your life, that'sit.
Jason (35:17):
It doesn't mean much.
It doesn't mean anything, itdoesn't mean anything, and
that's the whole point of all ofthis is that none of this means
anything unless you have God asyour grounding, as your
grounding, foundation, none ofit means anything.
So he had everything.
He got, literally what.
Everything that was everythingthat was owed to him he got, and
it wasn't enough.
Right, and, and because,eventually, all this stuff what
(35:39):
does you know?
What does God say?
Or what does Jesus say?
You know, all things will, willfade, but my words will not
Right.
So, and all the, all the moneyfaded, all of the prostitutes
faded, all of the, whatever thedrinking and carousing he was
doing faded, faded.
All of the, whatever thedrinking and carousing he was
doing faded.
Right, even working for his ownself-worth faded.
Yeah, there was nothing left.
(35:59):
Yeah, all you ever have is god.
And this is, this is kind ofthe again like it's.
It's a story that can hit on somany different levels.
David (36:05):
I could talk about this forever but well, I can see
myself as a prodigal throughthat.
Yeah, that that is.
I mean, I definitely faced rockbottom in my life and I can
compare myself a little bitbetter with the prodigal now.
So, thank you.
Jason (36:18):
So, guys, this has been maybe my favorite episode so far
.
And I even hope we do this againlater, but thank you for your
time and your consideration.
We always appreciate youlistening to us.
If you have anything to followup with us, david is now running
directly our new Facebook group.
It's called the Boundless BibleDiscussion Group.
We would love for some commentsthoughts there.
(36:39):
That's awesome.
Also, make sure that you arenot only following us on Spotify
and Apple Podcasts, but alsoreviewing.
Those reviews are super helpfulfor us guys.
So the more you can do that,the better for us and hopefully
the better for you.
Again, thanks for everything.
Socials are out there andlooking forward to the next one.
Thanks, guys.
David (36:59):
Thanks, see you, thank you.
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