S2:E6 What you need to know about wallpaper!

Wallpaper is a wonderful options in many situations to add warmth, texture, pattern, and style! But it isn't always the best option!  In this episode The Boys discuss all things wallpaper and what you should know if you're thinking about it!

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Episode Transcript

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (00:00):
So now that I've hit record, we
can't talk about bitches.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (00:03):
Oh listen, it's never stopped us
before, and editing is awonderful thing.

(01:11):
When I was working on, what Ithought we could talk about
today, it was laying around andI, was reading.
Other people's podcast.
I mean, you know, you like tosee what's out there, what
people talking about.
It is interesting.
You know, those kind of things.
And, the first thing that reallysurprised me was that we've
never talked about, like, had awhole episode about wallpaper
and god knows there's enough totalk about wallpaper for days on

(01:33):
end.
but why this came about wasbecause this, article that I was
reading had.
12 things you can add to yourhome add interest and do it
inexpensively.
first inexpensively, which, youknow, it's

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (01:55):
With wallpaper,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (01:56):
Well, hold on.
See, I didn't know whetherthat's what it was yet.
Well, you'll, you'll

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (01:59):
uh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (01:59):
you find out what it really was.
They said Brace yourself boys

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (02:06):
it's probably shiplap.

jeremy-guest458_1_04- (02:07):
wallpaper border.
If you add that as an update toyour, now

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (02:16):
Does it have little geese on it with
a pink bow that goes around yourpowder room?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (02:21):
like those little Dutch, those little
Dutch children with those littlewooden shoes.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (02:24):
Uhhuh,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (02:26):
This is not worthy of a conversation
on our podcast.
That's all you're getting fromme.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (02:36):
I wish

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (02:36):
uh.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (02:36):
your face, Dwayne, because this is
probably the most un approvingface I've ever seen.
Come outta your, outta your itit.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (02:44):
And

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (02:45):
Well.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (02:45):
dealt with Stewart for 20 years.
Oh.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (02:48):
So I read that, I thought, why now
this person put it out in 2020,so let's be fair.
They could have been going

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (02:56):
In 2020, listen, they were stuck in
their living room in COV andthey found a roll of border
leftover in a house they hadjust bought and thought, you
know what?
I'm gonna make my house pretty,I'm gonna put this border on my
in my POW powder bath.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (03:15):
on.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (03:16):
they had, they had fi, well, I'm not
reading the rest of it, but theyhad finished.
Tiger King had nothing else todo Oh, Lord.
Okay, so I thought, let's talkabout wallpaper because I think
that all three of us have.
Strong opinions about wallpaper,and wallpaper is like a broad
term that covers so many things.
Um,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (03:35):
have strong opinions about
everything.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (03:37):
I know that's why we, that's why.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (03:38):
I said, what is it?
It's paper that goes on a wall.
What do you mean by what youjust said?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (03:43):
Well, no, what I mean is like, there,
you know, there there'sdifferent kinds.
There's grass cloth, there'smica, there's printed, there's
woven, there's, I mean, there'sso many, there's so many things,
right?
It's something that goes on awall that's wallpaper, but
there's different kinds of it.
Right?
So, but before we get into it, Iwanted, I share some, um, a
couple of facts about it that I,I did not know.
I thought it was fascinating.
First of all, we know it hasbeen around it.

(04:05):
Like I would literally say likeforever, right?
But when I left it, I had, ithas been around, there are
records of it.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (04:10):
or.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (04:12):
Uh, well, it might be about the same
time.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (04:14):
Oh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (04:16):
it, it dates back to 220 BC Yeah.
That's before Jesus

stuart-host497_1_04-0 (04:22):
wallpaper

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01- (04:23):
before Jesus.
I just find that fascinating inChina, of course, because of
course they,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (04:27):
of course, because they're first,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-0 (04:29):
They're, they're first and they, they

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (04:31):
'cause they're smart and methodical and
they think about things,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (04:33):
Yeah.
And then it, it, it spread westthrough the Silk Road.
Um, but I thought that wasfascinating.
And

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (04:39):
it's 'cause those white people stole
it because.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (04:44):
well, you know,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (04:46):
It is true.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01- (04:47):
sorry.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (04:47):
The conquistadors.
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (04:50):
the, um, and then the other two
things I found that were reallyinteresting.
Do you know that wallpaper iswhy we have what we have to
thank for bubble wrap?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (04:58):
No,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (04:59):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13 (04:59):
wouldn't have thought those two ever
reacts or, or correspond.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (05:03):
were two designers in like the late
fifties that were trying to comeup with some kind of
interesting, like architecturalwallpaper, and they figured out
how they could put air intoplastic, and it was originally
made for wallpaper.
And I looked, I had, I, I factchecked this,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (05:19):
For like insulation purpose or.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (05:22):
on the wall.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (05:23):
Well, I know, but why,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (05:24):
it was a.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (05:25):
why do they think to infuse air into
it?
Is this like left Twix and rightTwix?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (05:30):
don't know.
Really.
I think it was probably twoqueens were bored and they were
trying to figure out how to makesomething interesting on the
wall, and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (05:35):
Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (05:36):
I don't, I, I don't know, but
that's, that's why we havebubble wrap.
Isn't that fascinating?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (05:41):
It's fascinat odd,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (05:43):
Odd, right.
then, the last thing, the lastfactoid was that in the 1850s it
was very con, well, they called,uh, green wallpaper, murder
wallpaper because after thatwhat they found out was that
wallpaper that had this reallydeep green color in it, had a
lot of arsenic in it.

(06:04):
And so if you were in a roomthat didn't have a lot of
ventilation, people were dyingfrom arsenic poisoning.
It took him a while to figure itout.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (06:12):
Were they licking the walls?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (06:13):
but it was, I guess it was just
like, you know, I guess youtouched it.
I mean, I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (06:16):
Oh yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (06:17):
but I thought this can't be true
either.
I thought this, this is weird.
I've never heard this.
And, you know, but it was, it,it is true.
And, it was so well known thatit then ended up getting picked
up and put in.
Murder novels, that that wouldbe like how the person who was
trying to murder somebody,that's how they did it.
They would make the room this,and then they would make people

(06:37):
stay in that room for a whileand then they would, they'd end
up dying.
Isn't that fascinating?

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (06:41):
Hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (06:42):
You had to stay in the room for like
20 years

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (06:44):
I mean, I, no, I mean, evidently

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1349 (06:46):
death.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (06:46):
we know, this is before we had
regulations.
We're talking 1850s.
So,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (06:50):
Okay.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (06:51):
you know, so, alright.
So

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (06:53):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (06:53):
about wallpaper, but, um, I love me
some wallpaper, and I would putit a lot of places, but when I
talk more about wallpaper, I, inmy, what comes to my mind more
textural wallpaper versus morepatterned wallpaper.
And so I, I'm interested to hearwhy, why you would choose

(07:14):
wallpaper.
Like, w what are your all'sreasons for going into it?
Why you pick it, why you use it.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (07:22):
How about, I can say it this way.
There's al always, um, a fewrooms, uh, always want to use
wallpaper in

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (07:28):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (07:29):
like powder bathrooms are always one
of those.
Spaces that it's a little jewelbox.
It's an opportunity to reallypunch it up because really to
buy wallpaper in and have itinstalled can be pretty darn
expensive.
Right?
And it also is a space thatyou're not in all the time.
A powder bathroom, and you walkin, you get this nice little

(07:50):
surprise and you don't get astired of it.
And because you don't look at itevery single day, right?
You're not in there for like inthe family room hours and hours
at a time.
And so you don't get bored withit as much.
And so I always think that's a.
It's cause of economics becauseit doesn't cost you as much
'cause it's a smaller room, butyou're also not gonna get tired
of it.
Um, and it's also because youare doing a little jewel box for

(08:13):
your, you know, your guests whenthey come in, it's like, you
know, they're not gonna go tonecessarily every room, but a
lot of times they'll use apowder bathroom and you spend
more effort and time and energyand expense.
And that is why wallpaper isimportant to me for, uh, a
powder bathroom.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (08:30):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (08:31):
I'm not used to her.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (08:33):
Well, uh, yes, I agree with that as
well.
'cause it's, it is a unexpectedpop of color without just paint,
quite honestly, in, in a roomlike that.
Kind of like, to your point,Jeremy, I think more on a, a
larger scale.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (08:50):
Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_1 (08:52):
I look for the texture and not the
pattern, because I thinksometimes if the room is too big
or the wall is too big, all thepattern just becomes a big blob
anyway,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-0 (09:03):
Chaotic.
Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (09:04):
Right.
Whereas in a powder or even asmall little study or a laundry
room, you can pay attention towhat the pattern is,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (09:13):
Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (09:14):
if that makes sense.

jeremy-guest458_1_0 (09:15):
absolutely.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (09:16):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (09:16):
you know, Christina in, uh, the
office, she, was wanting to usesome wallpaper in her daughters.
Rooms.
I don't remember which one.
I think it was her bedroom.
she ordered in.
Like 10 samples.
Um, and the, there was only onethat I would go with.
And because the rest of'em wereway too patterny.
And I think that it's achallenge,'cause they were very
large graphic things, is that,you know, before you, if you're

(09:40):
gonna think about doingwallpaper, you need to look on
Pinterest, you need to look on.
anything you can see visuallyand see how it looks in a room,
right?
Whether it's that pattern orjust like what kind of style you
like, because it can go fromgirl to Woo girl, like, you
know, like, this is psychedelic.
I need to be on some kind of LSDto be in this room.

(10:01):
Or you feel like you're an LSDjust by walking in it.
But I do love him in powderrooms playing.
I agree with you'cause, uh.
It's like, uh, I call it shorttheater, like Right, you're in,
you're in, you got the bangerout.
You know, it's just, it's quick.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (10:14):
Yeah.
Cool.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (10:16):
And, um, I, I always have a go-to for
powder bathrooms.
Um, is any space truthfully, Ican use much wallpaper.
I always do some kind of, uh,lab.
Latice pattern, you know, somekind of graphic, lattice pattern
is what I call

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (10:30):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (10:32):
maybe kind of an interlock Greek key.
It, it's kind of ex, it'sarchitectural, uh, and, but it's
not floral, it's not stripe,it's not dames.
Some, for some reason I see thatas a timeless neutral.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (10:45):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (10:45):
like uh, wallpapered our powder
bathroom probably more than 10years ago, and it has a.
A brown, dirty gold metallicbackground with a kind of a
creamy kinda Greek key lockingpattern to it.
That's, uh, just pretty bold ina way, you know, because it's a
light in the dark, but I havenever gotten tired of it.

(11:08):
It read's a little moretraditional, obviously my house,
and a little more formal.
But to this day, 10 years later.
I've never gotten tired of thatpaper.
And it's that pattern that's soclassic where if I think if I
would've done a busy floral, uh,for example, which you see
often, uh, currently at least Imight've gotten tired of that,
where I won't get, I won't gettired of that graphic, uh,

(11:30):
pattern for

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (11:31):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (11:31):
And I always go back to, that's a,
if I show something to somebody,I'm, I'm always gonna start with
it.
'cause I feel like it's atimeless, uh, which is said and
done.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (11:40):
Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (11:40):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (11:41):
Well, so quickly that when it comes to
wallpaper, there are manydifferent kinds, right?
So there's natural, like wovengrass cloth.
There are.
Printed.
There are foiled, meaningthey're metallic, they have, uh,
mica or like big flakes of likeglitter and stone into'em.
You've got pearls.
I mean, there's, there's allkinds of stuff to use.

(12:03):
Um, it doesn't mean you need to,but, but there's some
applications, right?
That it makes much more senseothers.
But then there's also in the appapplication of them, there are,
uh.
Papers you have to put up withpaste, which is kind of like the
traditional one.
And then in recent

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (12:21):
Oh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (12:21):
been a lot more of this pill and
stick, and I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (12:25):
oh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (12:26):
that

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (12:26):
just,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (12:27):
good option for people who are
renting

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (12:30):
mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (12:32):
I I, just seems like

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (12:34):
Here's how you put up, peel and stick a
wallpaper.
You peel off the backing of thewallpaper and you wa'em both in
balls and throw'em in the trash.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (12:45):
Lord.
Okay.
Well, we know how he feels aboutit, so, so the full disclosure,
have any of you actuallyphysically bought it and used
it?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (12:54):
No.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (12:55):
Uh, I have one time for someone's
laundry room and we have sincereaped it twice.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (13:02):
It was it really, really

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (13:03):
It was horrible.
Yeah.
To me it was, it was basically,um, shelf liner that you did in
cabinets in 1984

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (13:10):
yeah.
What's that?
Oh, is that, is is that

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (13:13):
liner.
It's just called Shelf Liner.
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (13:15):
That I remember.
Mama would get that.
Oh, I'd hate

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (13:17):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (13:17):
do it every summer.
I'd be,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (13:19):
Yeah.
That's basically, I will alwayshave that in my brain.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (13:22):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (13:23):
Okay.
In full disclosure, I have notused it, so I can't, Say no
cause to an application, butultimately Stuart on, on the
same page.
I haven't used it for a reasonbecause I'm with you.
It just, there's something

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (13:36):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (13:36):
see it in a book,

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (13:38):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (13:38):
just feels flat and, doesn't have
depth to

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (13:43):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1349 (13:43):
reason we're doing wallpapers add

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (13:45):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (13:45):
like, well, if I'm gonna put this.
Just poorly done something up.
I'm, I'm just gonna paint it andmove

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (13:52):
Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (13:53):
all my time and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (13:53):
Maybe if you just did a border.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (13:56):
yeah, I guess you can do it in a, oh,
stop it.
Uh, I guess maybe in the back ofa bookcase or something where
it's layered,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (14:03):
No, I still wouldn't do it then
either.
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (14:05):
you know, I just, I know that I
don't, I know that I don't havethe focus.
I was given many gifts by God,right?
Uh,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (14:18):
Um.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-0 (14:18):
patience for that is not one of them
because, we get the stickers toput on the shipping boxes.
We ship out for our onlineorders.
tell you about how many times Itry to put a shipping label on
and I can't get it on straight,or I can't.
I get it.
It's wrinkled, and I thoughttrying to do a wall.
See the thing about if you'reusing.
Real wall.
If you use wallpaper, if you usewallpaper, paste, the paste

(14:40):
gives you a little bit offlexibility to move it.
Slide it on the wall, right?
The pill and stick is literallyjust like, just got glue on the
back of it.
So where you put it, it doesn't,it's not flexible, right?
So you

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (14:53):
Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (14:54):
it around the wall.
It's just where you stick it, itis stuck.
I can't imagine

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (14:59):
for us.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (15:00):
Yeah.
I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (15:01):
the question that popped in my mind.
You said, uh, Micah, forexample.
So the question to both of youis what's the most.
Interesting wallpaper thatyou've actually installed that
you, once you put it up there,you're like, oh, this is, this
is better than I expected, orit's a standout.
At least that was a littleunusual.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (15:24):
For clients that we did a powder
bathroom, they wanted to do alittle bit more interesting,
something more with texture.
We were having to deal with thevanity that was already in there
that was a little more formalthan what they were, you know,
style wise.
But they didn't wanna replacethe vanity, so there wasn't a
way that we could, uh, tone itdown.

(15:45):
So I had to find something thathad a little bit of glitz to it,
and she loved.
Sparkle.
She loves sparkle.
Um, and so the wallpaper that weused was a Candace Olsen paper
that had a little bit of apearled background to it, but it
had little clear pearls.
Uh, I mean many, many, many,many little pearls, um, attached

(16:06):
in like a, in a, I'm gonna callit a DNA pattern, but that's not
yet.
But it was something like that.
And it, it was, it really turnedout really pretty.
It, it was.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_ (16:16):
physically protruded from the

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (16:18):
Yeah, it was glued, like they had the
print of the DNA or the swirlsthat were on it, and then there
was some kind of adhesiveapplied over that.
And then, um,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (16:28):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (16:28):
that, that pattern was to on tone.
And then on top of the DNA,there was some kind of adhesive
and there were a little micro,uh.
bead things that were on thatapplied onto it and it did catch
the light.
It did sparkle.
I mean, it was, it, it was veryinteresting.
It was a pain to install becauseyou know, you have to, uh, when

(16:50):
you apply it to the wall, youhave to press with some force to
get it down.
And, you know, they used alittle like the squeegees or
whatever you wanna call it,those little.
Things to like make sure it'sflat and there's no wrinkles.
And doing that, there was alittle bit of, uh, of pearl
loss, if you will.
'cause it just kind of, thepressure kind of

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (17:05):
Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (17:05):
off.
Um, but I think it was oversprayed anyway to do that.
So it kind of accounted forthat.
But that was really pretty.
And then the other one is, thefaux leather wallpaper that I
did in my, my kitchen because Ialso did it, in a client's.
Closet in on the ceiling, and ithad beautiful trim work that we
did on the ceiling and did thaton the inside.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (17:26):
from you a couple of

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (17:27):
Yeah, it's,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (17:28):
it.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (17:28):
it's, it was sexy.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (17:31):
Yes, stole that from you.
You know, I always willreference, uh, Stewart's, uh,
sachet sand and puppy paws asthe most blushy pinky brown
tones.
And that, and I can neverremember it, but his new, uh,
former living room that whateverthat moody.
Blue

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (17:47):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (17:47):
uh, the good and the yum, right?
Uh, but then I always referenceyour kitchen and actually your
bathroom quite often too, thatyou got the textures right, but
that wallpaper in your kitchen,you just do a little bit of it,
and that leather in the back of,uh, some of the cabinetry is
just perfection.
Absolute perfection,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (18:04):
Thank you.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (18:05):
Yeah, that's an unusual You got one,
Mr.
Hurt, that stood out that youdid

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (18:09):
Well, not necessarily that it's
different, but I think it wasversatile.
You know, there is a type ofpaper called Lynn Cresta,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134 (18:18):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (18:19):
which you know, and it's basically to
emulate an old 10 or metalceiling from.
Back in the day, and I, Iactually have used that on a
ceiling, well, a few ceilingsbefore, because it's paintable
as well.
You know, it's basically,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (18:36):
price

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (18:36):
and it is, and it's kind of, you
know, it, it not only has visualtexture, but you can actually
feel the texture as well.
And you can cut it at the bias,you can put it in a diagonal,
you can do just a pattern withit.
So I just think it's, it'sinteresting.
To use.
It's not for everybody.
It's not for every space, butit, but it's an interesting

(18:57):
concept.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (18:58):
I had a, a budget, uh, you know,
uh, to work with in the laundryroom and I did it at the, at the
back as a back splash andpainted it and, um.
Uh, it wasn't my first choice,but it certainly wasn't my last
choice.
It was better than not havinganything.
And, um, ended up I was like,okay, I can live with that.
I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (19:17):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (19:17):
Mm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (19:18):
stood out.
It was just this little, littleentrance going from, uh, the
main part of the house.
Uh, it was like a little.
Little vegetable, is that whatyou call

stuart-host497_1_04- (19:26):
Vestibule.
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (19:29):
bu going into a master.
So, you know, it's like, let'ssay a four by four little area.
And, uh, she loved Monet and sheloved texture.
So it was a wallpaper thatcrushed eggshells.
And then it was washed withlight greens and light pinks and
light blues.

(19:49):
Uh, and it reminded you afteryou did all the wash of
something that looked like oneof the lily fields, it had all
those colors and textures of aMonet painting, but it was
crushed eggshells,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (20:01):
Like it was literally crushed.
Eggshells

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (20:03):
He was literally crushed eggshells.
Yeah.
It was from France, it washandmade, yada, yada, yada,
yada, yada.
Uh, it sounds crazy.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01- (20:11):
adding commas.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (20:13):
it's 30

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (20:14):
Yeah.
How do you unroll something likethat?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (20:16):
I, I, is, you know, passing my
memory.
This is like 30 years ago when Ifirst started and it was exotic
and interesting, but Iremembered, uh, thinking this is
the craziest thing I've everfound.
And it was beautiful andobviously very fragile.
Uh, I don't know how it gotinstalled at part of is Long
gone, but that was my craziestwallpaper application, uh,

(20:37):
product I've ever

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (20:38):
Hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (20:38):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (20:39):
Wow.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (20:39):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (20:40):
Do you, uh, do you all have strong
opinions on I not everywallpaper can be done on every
wall, right.
Um, but I have no problem usingsomething on like a accent wall
or feature wall.
Sometimes.
That's the only way that you cando it, or, I mean, I also have
no problem putting out just onthe ceiling, uh, cutting it with
trim and doing that.
Or where do you all fall on exitwalls?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_ (21:02):
Generally, no.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (21:03):
Yeah.
I would say generally no aswell, unless it absolutely
called for it, but I would sayno.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (21:10):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (21:11):
I

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (21:11):
I,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (21:11):
that you did, um, a, a bedroom a

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (21:13):
Okay.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (21:14):
ago and I, of course I stole that
one from you

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (21:16):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (21:17):
a di different color application.
Uh, I thought that room wassuccessful, uh, with that
wallpaper, but it was a veryspecial

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (21:24):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (21:25):
and that one changed it.
But generally I'll end upsaying, no, I don't care for it.
That was one of them that Iwent, yeah,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (21:31):
Yeah, and it, the funny thing is, is
if I had my druthers as I thinkmy papa would've said, In that
bedroom, the pattern that we puton the, the main wall was a
beautiful grass cloth, and ithad, uh, rivets, uh, on, it may
look like it was rivets, butthey, they weren't.

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (21:50):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (21:50):
was just beautiful.
If I could have done what Iwanted, I was afraid the way
that, that bedroom had so manycuts and windows and, um, it was
gonna be a little challenging todo that wallpaper everywhere.
So I would've at least liked tohave done like.
I could have gotten that grasscloth without the, the stripes
on it, and I could have done, orthe grid on it.
I could have done that on theother walls and I wish that we

(22:10):
could have done that.
But doing the one wall, I mean,that wall I think was, I think
the wallpaper just for that onewall was like, it was under, it
was right around$3,000.
So, you know, that was, youknow, one big wall and it was
beautiful.
But yeah, couldn't do that.
But yeah, no,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134 (22:24):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (22:25):
yeah, I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (22:25):
I did the foyer and it was big
openings.
And this, when I say this, kids,this is not normal, truthfully,
uh, but it was, uh, for thepaper loan, it was over$8,000
just for

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (22:35):
And it was the same was it was the
same one, right?
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (22:37):
Same one, but it was in black

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (22:39):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (22:41):
and she loves it and it made it, but
not everybody can write that

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (22:44):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (22:45):
to write that check.
Uh, but, um, beautiful.
And there are absolutelywallpapers that are decent
price.
I mean, I'm not, there's nothingthat's super cheap anymore.
Uh, but so we're talking aboutan extreme and I'm, I'm working
with our dear friend, Millieright now.
And it's an old house in Versal.
It's probably a hundred year oldhouse.
And, uh, we've got a wallpaper,the, the stairwell, and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (23:08):
Hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (23:08):
doing Millie's helping renovate this
for an elderly friend who istrying to stay in her home as
long as she can before she has agood assisted living.
Anyway, long story is, I'mtrying to update this house to
make her happy, but also tryingto do it knowing that we
probably only have a few yearsand then the house will be sold.
So I'm doing this, um.

(23:31):
Kind of looser pattern.
Dames, pineapple, somethingthat's creamy, monochromatic,
um, believing that the nextfamily will love it too, but
trying to be pay, pay.
Um, respect to the history ofthe house, I.
Plus the elderly client.
You know, there's lots of peopleI'm trying to answer to, this

(23:52):
one has to be more value pricedthan not.
So this is a brand called York,YORK.
Uh, that is a fair price point,you know, so there's lots of
price points, low all over allof the map.
You know, I tend to love a brandcalled Tebow.
Uh, beautiful patterns, depth,the, the texture's.
Interesting.
Um, more fun color than not,usually a little more.

(24:13):
Vibrant color, but that's acompany I, I, I gravitate
toward, but, uh, not thecheapest in the world.
So I knew going into this, whenyou hire a designer, uh, you
know, uh.
You have some of the, the, thetools in your trade and like
Seabrook and York are some ofthe better price point companies
out there that are still pretty,that don't look cheap once it's

(24:35):
said and done.
So that was part of the drive.
Sometimes when you're doingwallpaper for somebody, I'm
putting in this in the foyer toadd personality, but it has to
make.
Makes potentially a new clienthappy, plus the current client
happy plus me the price pointissue plus me the style point
issue and it's like I'm tiredsometimes Miss Hilly, so.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (24:57):
Well, let's say if, if you've got a
space that you're wanting to do,uh, wallpaper in, you do need to
make sure that your walls arecapable or, or it's gonna work
on it.
And what I mean by that is, ifyou have issues in your wall.
it's not straight, if there arehuge divots, if there, it's not

(25:19):
necessarily going to hide it,it's gonna actually amplify it.
I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (25:23):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (25:24):
a lot of them, if you have a
thicker grass cloth, I think youcan get away a little bit.
It hides some of the flaws.
um, there are some, for example,and this has come from a horror
story of mine, of wherewallpaper installer.
God, we were doing the closetand I had found the sexiest.

(25:45):
Mm, y'all it was so beautiful.
It was this silk string.
wallpaper and it just, it, it,it was textural.
It had this beautiful, justreflection to it.
It was just, um, it was money.
That's all I could say.
It was just money.
And that's what I did with the,uh, the leather wallpaper on the
ceiling, by the way.
So it was, it was just, mm mm.
Anyway, the wallpaper goes toinstall it, and he calls me and

(26:10):
he goes, Jeremy, this is notgoing to look good.
And I said, what do you mean?
He goes, this wallpaper is sothin.
Needs a level five finish.
And I was like, well, what's alevel five finish?
And he was like, well, it's whatyou like, it's, it's like
perfection.
The wall is perfection.

(26:30):
It's like gla, like it issmooth.
Everything is

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (26:33):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04- (26:34):
straight.
There are no nail pops, thereare no Right?
And so if you're gonna do like alacquered wall for example,
that's the same thing that youneed.
It's gotta be like.
You know, glass smooth, right?
And he was like, this is goingto show every floor in this
wall.
And I'm like, oh, well there'sclothes going on front in front

(26:54):
of it, so just go ahead and itall worked out.
Um.
And it, it wasn't as bad as hewas afraid it was gonna be.
But I say that in that if you'relooking at a thinner wallpaper
or something, like, it can bemore problematic.
So you need to make sure yourwalls are, it's even worth doing
it or applying it'cause it canjust be

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (27:12):
Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (27:13):
in in, in the long run.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (27:15):
had this as a problem and I don't
even think I would've paid muchattention to

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (27:19):
Well, this is the one and only time.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (27:22):
it in the book from now on.
Yeah,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (27:23):
Yeah, it was, it was the one, and if I
can find it, I used to have asample of it.
'cause it was just, it was sogood.
I mean, it was like, almost likea uh

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (27:32):
silk panties.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (27:33):
uh, no,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (27:36):
Says

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (27:36):
more so it, it was more like a, if,
uh, if Silk and Chail had ababy, but it was in a man's
suit.
It was

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (27:50):
Well, Lord.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (27:52):
I mean, when I tell you, because
this is why I'm like that clientand I got,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13 (27:56):
pimping.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (27:57):
uh, it was so masculine and so, oh
God.
It was good.
I mean, mm.
That wallpaper got me tonguetwisted.
It was so good.
Mm God.
And ooh, yes, I love thatcloset.
Um, but yeah, so just

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (28:13):
their closet?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (28:15):
mine.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (28:16):
No.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (28:18):
No, well, we just wanted to do
something interesting.
I mean, we, we painted thecabinetry and, and oh, this
brings up a good topic of, youknow, wallpaper.
A different, a different use ofit, right?
Is that, and I know that we allthree will love to put something
grass cloth or some kind oftextural thing in the back of a
bookcase because it just, itgives you another texture, it
gives you, it brings warmth,right?
And, uh, it helps you make youfeel like you don't have to feel

(28:41):
it full of all this other stuff.
Uh.
So that was just another placeof just adding, you know, just a
little, a little bougie factor.
Now, have y'all

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (28:51):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (28:51):
hung wallpaper yourself?

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (28:53):
Yes.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (28:54):
Oh, my husband and I wouldn't make
it.
It would be a divorce for sure.
I could never do it.
I've never hung it.
I will never hang it.
This is something that I willalways pay out today.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (29:04):
Well, I'll, yeah, I won't do it again.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (29:07):
yeah, when you're in your twenties and
you don't have any money, you,you, you, you go out and you put
yourself on the pole.
But now,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (29:13):
Uh,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (29:13):
write the check.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (29:14):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01- (29:14):
paint, I just painted back Then.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1349 (29:16):
right.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (29:17):
Oof.
Yeah.
Now.
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (29:19):
No, I hung my, my grape wallpaper on
my soffits in my$56,000 starterhome in 19, uh, 96 by myself.
Sure.
I did.

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (29:31):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (29:33):
Well, I will even, so I will always
suggest to you as aprofessional, because there is a
learning curve.
That is there, that is, is, uh,problematic.
And by the way, people, ifanybody knows anyone out there
that's looking for a job, uh, orsomething that they can do that
will provide them a living andum,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134 (29:53):
living.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (29:54):
a

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (29:54):
yeah.
Be a wallpaper in

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (29:57):
how to be a wallpaper wallpaper
installer because

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (29:59):
or an upholsterer.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (30:00):
or an upholster'cause there aren't
many.
And it's dwindling.
What,

stuart-host497_1_04-0 (30:03):
Dwindling down.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (30:05):
So I will even point to if you've
got, like, if you already havewallpaper and you gotta take it
down.
It is, in my opinion.
Now listen, if you're gonnahire, an installer to put it up,
just, just have them take itdown too.
'cause I don't know what I.
Jesus juice, they throw on thisstuff up on the wall.
I don't know what Mr.

(30:25):
B puts up there, but y'all know,he puts and the wallpaper just
comes right off.
And it's like, it takes no timeto do a room to get it off, to
get, to be able to go back andput more on there.
And I mentioned this becausewhen my husband and I bought the
current home, um, previousowners had put, uh.
This horrible wallpaper in thefoyer and, well, actually I

(30:47):
won't say that it was probablywonderful at the time'cause they
spent lots of money doing thingsin this house that was good at
the time.
Um, but there were five layersof wallpaper in this foyer and
they didn't take one thing downto put the next one up.
so it took us three weeks andtwo steamers.

(31:07):
I just, I put that littlesteamer on and thank God we had
plaster walls because I just letthat thing sit you had to soak
through it all.
I mean, it was, but it took usthree weeks to get it all down.
It was a nightmare.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (31:19):
Wow.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (31:20):
whereas now had I known, I just called
Bob, I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (31:23):
there is the reason.
People.
I don't want wallpaper.
I don't wanna deal withwallpaper.
It's not about writing thecheck.
It's not about, they don't thinkit's pretty, they want don't
want to deal with it whenthey're sick of it.
that's what you don't do.
Right?
And so I, the thing is.

(31:44):
I don't have a great comeback tothat.
And I was like, well, if we'regonna do wallpaper, I don't want
it in every

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (31:49):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (31:50):
want it in every bedroom, and I don't
want it in every niche.
So I'm, I'm always to ask forwallpaper in very specific
zones.
And like, I always feel like ifthe back of the bookcase and in,
uh, the powder bathroom, that'snot a lot of space.
And if you get sick of it, uh,it's not gonna be terrible.

(32:10):
As opposed to wallpaper and atwo story.
Foyer.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (32:13):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1 (32:15):
something I'm ever, ever, ever, ever gonna
do, uh, just because it isexpensive and it's expensive to
get down and you'll get tired ofit more than not.
So, that has been a pushback.
People are not as bad as theyused to be, probably five to
seven years ago.
I don't want wallpaper.
Everybody was on wallpaperburnout because, um.
They were tired of stripping itfrom 1983, but people forgotten

(32:38):
and they kind of moved on, andso it's not such a hard sell
anymore.
But I'm always cautious and I'mnot gonna oversell.
There are designers out therethat oversell and they'll
wallpaper every

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (32:49):
Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (32:49):
and, um, and loud, ugly.
Busy

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (32:53):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (32:53):
like, good god.
You know, that's why designersget bad names.
'cause people like you doingcrap like that, right?
Uh, so wallpaper your ceiling,know, it's one wall, one ceiling
is one, one wall,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (33:06):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1 (33:07):
Wallpaper for your not so much right?
And it's usually sparingly andthen your most, more likely also
not get sick of it so

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (33:15):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (33:15):
Um, the one I did a lot was there's
this beautiful Tebow pattern,but it's soft.
Blue and it's a cream backgroundand soft green and little twigs
and little branches with alittle touch of lavender, sweet
little birds.
But I had the trim carpenter andit's a very large formal living
room, And I had Wayne's Scottypanels.

(33:38):
let's say they're four feet,whatever it was, we did the math
with the wallpaper installer,um, to make sure it laid out.
So you even have to work withthe trim carpenter and the
wallpaper person to make thenumbers work out how many panels
you can have.
But we trimmed it all out andthen wallpapered in between
those panels, and it's a bigroom and it's a lot of
wallpaper, but just by havingthat, let's say.

(34:00):
Six inch gap between each one ofthem, between each panel.
Um, it doesn't feel busy.
It feels purposeful.
And I have to say, that's one ofmy favorite, favorite rooms.
Now, we bought chairs from hereat the store.
And we spent, you know, a lot ofmoney on this wallpaper and trim
work, but yet we're able to put.
$700 swivel, powdery blue, uh,chairs in here with a little

(34:22):
ottoman that I, uh, didn't spenda lot of money on because I did
the background.
So it's a

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (34:27):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (34:29):
And, uh, that wallpaper in the trim
elevated those very costeffective chairs'cause she was
never gonna use this room.
Really, it's just for looks nowafter it's all said and done.
the four chairs in there and theottoman, she does now find
herself going in there andreading the book and being
invited to it.
So, it's a little different whatwe thought was gonna happen in a
positive way, but that showsyou, um, using a lot of

(34:52):
wallpaper.
But we broke it up with the trimwork.
I think that changed it a

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (34:55):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (34:56):
I was happy with that one.
I thought that was, wassuccessful in

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (34:59):
Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (35:01):
I love that, like, it it up and
you used it in a non-traditionalway, right?
Like, and truthfully, they diduse it that way.
Like back in the, you know,French, what they did just do
sometimes the inside of the,like the wings coating.
Um, so it's not brand, it's notnecessarily brand new, but it's
a different way to do it, right?
So you can kind of stretch it.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (35:19):
idea in my head.
I'm

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (35:20):
Well, that's not.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (35:21):
from everybody.
Right.
So, no, it's, no, it's thetruth.
I just saw it and thought thatwas pretty, and you are seeing
it more often now where youreally didn't see it.
I feel like a few years

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (35:30):
Yeah.
Well, I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (35:32):
it is showing up and I love the
effect of that.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (35:34):
I think that was just a good way
to point out that it was a, itwas a good, I mean, there was
effort in having to do the, thewood paneling and all that, and
a cost involved in this, but ifyou have someone who's handy
that can do some trim work foryou, that you can do it, that's
a good cost efficient way to,you know, lengthen.
How much of the, how much youcan get out of a roll.
A wallpaper.
I also think there's some other,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (35:54):
like that as an accent wall on a back
of a, of,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (35:57):
mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (35:57):
of a bed

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (35:58):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (35:59):
Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134 (36:00):
combine trim work with wallpaper and
paneling, I see that it'sdifferent.
It breaks it all

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (36:06):
It's architectural.
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (36:07):
it it's architectural and I think
that's completely different forme.
Completely different.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (36:12):
Um, one of the houses that we're in,
and I don't know if you'llremember this, Dwayne, this was
a long time ago, but we were on,out in a, uh, we were doing an
event at her house and they hadthis, I think they called it the
sunroom library.
I think it's what they callthat, I don't remember, but it
had a beautiful grass cloth thathad been done in it.
And then what they did.

(36:32):
went around every wall insidethe trim on top of the
baseboard.
But they took like a, it was,uh, probably like an inch wide
webbing.
I don't know if you rememberthey did this, but they, they
lined it and then they had thenail.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (36:45):
that had, yeah, she had the, the
Louis Vuitton, um, trunk as her

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (36:49):
yeah.
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1349 (36:51):
honey.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (36:52):
but it was the

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (36:53):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (36:54):
trim with that webbing detail.
And of course, now this was, youknow, this was a high dollar
situation as far as like theyapproached it, but I just
remember that little detail wasjust like.
Hmm.
And I thought, I'm never gonnaforget this, that there are
things that you can do to even abasic wallpaper or basic, you
know, any kinda application.

(37:14):
There's little details you cando there, and I love that idea.
And then another one that I'veseen people do now, this is,
this is really where you have tohave somebody who knows what
they're doing.
So this is when you hire a, aninstaller, for sure.
They took grass cloth and, youknow, grass cloth has the, the,
the, uh, left to righthorizontal.
Reads, or whatever you wannacall it, the weave in it, right?

(37:36):
So you actually see, uh, see thelines.
What they did instead was theymade their own pattern on the
wall and they took the wallpaperand by cutting it at 45 degree
angles, they then did like ahounds tooth, a large scale
hounds tooth like stripe downthe wall.
And it was the whole, the wholewall.
So it was like this huge,listen, it was beautiful.

(37:58):
I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (37:59):
Hmm,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (37:59):
imagine how much it cost there.
So all I'm trying to say isthere's some things that you can
do with how you, you apply itthat could add some interest,
but that is not something youneed to try.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (38:08):
idea what you're,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (38:09):
If, if I can go

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (38:10):
Lord.
There'd be a lot of waste.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (38:12):
Yes.
And that's the thing.
This is, this is

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_1 (38:14):
A lot of waste.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (38:15):
money thing.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (38:16):
Yeah.
No,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01- (38:16):
trying to like, you know, just do
something interest.
But I guess my bigger point ofthis is there are some other
things that you can do to just,instead of just feeling like you
put that up on the wall, right,you can kind of,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (38:26):
right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (38:27):
do it in some interesting little
ways.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (38:31):
Well, our friends at Perspectives, um,
have uh, a couple colorvariations of grass cloth that's
in stock.
And actually we have, one of thelight color ones in the store
and I love it.
I use it so, so many times.
If you wanna grass cloth and youwant to do economically, and you
like one of those.
You run to perspectives and buyit.

(38:52):
'cause that is a truly greatvalue.
It's all said and done.
Um, so that's kind of yourlittle inside track that, um,
that, that's one of those I'veused multiple times and looks
good for the money.
Really good for the money

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (39:04):
Yeah.
Um,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (39:06):
paint store and more

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_ (39:08):
Oh

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (39:08):
you drive.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (39:10):
oh my

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (39:10):
Lord have mercy.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (39:13):
ask

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (39:13):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (39:14):
one of the points I also did wanna
bring in, it goes right alongwith this twa, is that, um, you
can get wallpaper.
a lot of different places,right?
You can order it from an onlineretailer, you can, I'm, I think
they sell it at like SherwinWilliams, like the paint stores.
But where

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (39:31):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04- (39:32):
encourage people to go is to a business,
to a store, that this is one ofthe only or main things that
they do, and there's multiplereasons for this, right?
One.
You're gonna actually work withpeople who actually know the
product.
They're gonna have an experiencewith it.
Um, and so they're gonna be ableto guide you a little bit.
A lot of them are going to havesome, like, like what you were

(39:53):
mentioned, that grass cloth.
They're gonna have some stuffthat's in stock.
Now.
Listen, some of this stuff,there's other things that they
have over there that to me,probably were, was ordered in
1985.
It needs to be thrown out that,that, right?

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (40:04):
Right.
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (40:05):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (40:05):
there are people.
Right.
They still have board.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (40:08):
have

jeremy-guest458_1_04-0 (40:08):
They're, they may have someone who, uh,
that that's where they wanna do.
And if that's where they are inlife and they want to go to
glory and have that little, uh,border up there on their wall
and go right ahead, just don'thire me.
Right.
Just don't hire us.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (40:20):
no,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (40:20):
But, but.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134 (40:23):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (40:23):
If they where you can, if they do
have some of the wallpaper instock, sometimes you can save a
large amount of money.
The other thing that I thinkthat's really useful and, and
our friend Carolyn over therehas done this for me time and
time again, is that you will seethat there are books from, like
I mentioned, Candace Olson.
I love Candace Olson.
She has a lot of, um, I lovedher back in the day.

(40:43):
A lot of her license stuff nowis a little too formal, a little
too flashy for me.
Um.
But other designers will pullpatterns and then they're gonna
put it in their branded book,and then they're gonna get a
commission off selling it.
Okay, so this is what happens.
Same thing, what happens withfabric listeners.
This is a fake designer.

(41:04):
Mary Catherine goes and shefinds all these f fabrics from
Cravit, or she finds all thesefabrics from, whatever mill they
wanna pull it from.
Then they make their own littlebook, and then they can put it
in stores around the country,and then they sell it.
And so they make a little bit ofa percentage off selling.
The, the fabric, what happens tothat is the cost continues to go

(41:24):
up, right?
So you're gonna be able to findthe same, um, sometimes the
originator, the actual mealthat's actually making it,
you'll be able to find it inthere.
Books for a fraction of theprice.
So I've literally had a patternthat I ordered in and I can't
remember who it was for where wewere doing it, but I remember

(41:46):
showing it and I was like, I'mlooking at this.
And it was in a designer's bookand one of the girls said, oh, I
think that's in, over in this.
And we went and looked and wasthere and it literally went
from, a hundred dollars for asingle roll down to$33.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (42:03):
Wow.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (42:03):
yeah.
So, and I'm not saying that allof them are that way, but when
you go to a place who deals withthat, looks at these pages,
'cause listen, they're gonnahave down days.
They're gonna have slow days,right.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (42:12):
Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (42:13):
are gonna go through these wallpaper
books'cause they get bored.
They like to see the new stuff.
Right.
And they'll recognize it.
And so that's one of the othervalues that you can get from
going to a place who actuallyreally, does wallpaper, knows
it, there's a huge amount,amount of knowledge there that
they can help guide you thatway.
Mm-hmm.
I think

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (42:32):
Local

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (42:33):
shop local

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (42:34):
Sha local.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (42:35):
Uh, a couple of other things that,
'cause I made a couple of notes.
I wanna say not all grasscloths.
And this has to do with allwallpaper, right?
Not every wallpaper is createdequal, right?
So some grass cloths.
some of them are, if, if you,you'll hear us talk about grass
cloth a lot'cause we love thetexture.
Grass cloths are completelydifferent from style to style.

(42:57):
So sometimes they do a smaller,grass fiber, then when they do
that, they bleach it and thenthey can get a much more
consistent color.
In the wall.
Others, they may not bleach itas much.
And so you have a little bitmore variation in the color.
So if you're someone who youthink you might like that, but

(43:17):
you don't want there to behorizontal lines, you don't
wanna see where the papers jointogether, there's a large
section of grass cloth that youdon't even need to look at.
'cause it's gonna make you feellike it's too busy.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_1 (43:28):
I was gonna say don't, don't even
look at it.
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (43:31):
I don't even think I, yeah, I,
they're even, even the ones thatI've found that are

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (43:35):
Well,

jeremy-guest458_1_0 (43:36):
consistent, they still show.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (43:37):
well, but to me, that's what makes
grass cloth beautiful, is theimperfection of every single
stripe

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01 (43:44):
Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (43:45):
because it's, it's grass.
You're putting it on your wall,I mean.
Your yard isn't perfect.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (43:53):
Well, mine is, I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (43:54):
Well,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (43:55):
it.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025 (43:58):
but I mean, that's what gives it the
whole texture and look thatwe've been talking about, so.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (44:03):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (44:04):
um, frustrating in that we all know
it's a classic and it looksgreat, but up probably half the
people I get, uh, I don't like.
'cause I see the

stuart-host497_1_04-01- (44:16):
Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (44:16):
it's too busy.
And it's like, well for us, wego, well that's part of its
personality, but I'm not gonnasit there and argue with you
'cause I want you to like it.
But I'm like, you're wrong.
You're so

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (44:26):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (44:27):
But

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (44:27):
Well, I would just pivot and say, then
what?
What paint are we gonna look at?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (44:31):
Yeah, I,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (44:31):
Well.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_1 (44:32):
I mean, you know.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1 (44:33):
honestly,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (44:34):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1349 (44:35):
that's what happens.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (44:36):
Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (44:37):
um, because, uh, we've, we've landed
on this wallpaper, um, and nottrim work, right?
'cause usually I wanna do trimwork more than wallpaper.
'cause I think it's more classicand, and it's, but it's also
more missing than wallpaper.
Uh, so that then it says we'repainting and just moving on.
And I'm like, well, that was amissed opportunity.
And uh, it does happen because Ican't, I can't convince somebody

(44:58):
that they, um, or shouldn't tryto, that they want this
wallpaper even.
I know.
It is

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (45:03):
Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (45:04):
I just, okay.
Let it go.
Move on.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (45:05):
Okay.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (45:07):
Yeah, it's, it doesn't work for
everybody.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (45:10):
it should though,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (45:11):
Well, it can get.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (45:12):
just it, just because you look, go
out there and buy your border,border wallpaper and hush.
Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_ (45:18):
I have two more, uh, little
things.
There's one, if you're going, ifyou're thinking about doing it,
order in a sample, most of thesecompanies now can send you a cut
sample from it so you canactually see it do not go to the
wallpaper books and then tear apiece outta their book and their
thing.
Please don't do that.
Um, but order you a sample, putit up so you can actually sing.
Free.

(45:38):
So,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954 (45:38):
will ship it to your house free.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (45:41):
My last tip,'cause this has
happened to me more times than Icare to admit, is when you
order, if you're gonna dosomething, especially if it's a
natural fiber, okay?
If you're gonna do it, like wedid a, a beautiful dining room
for a client.
been done literally a year, andthen there was a water leak and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (46:00):
Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (46:01):
wall got destroyed.
And of course we had to replaceit, right?
Fortunately.
Well, I think at the time I madea mistake and I ordered too many
rolls.
But moving forward I had that togo back to so we could apply it.
So it's the same thing becausewhat happens is all of this,
whether it's natural, whetherit's printed, whatever, there
are all dialogues and not allthe dialogues match.

(46:22):
Exactly.
So instead of me having tocompletely redo the dining room
with, she just wanted to put thesame thing back.
We were able to use my leftover.
So I will always suggest to aclient, let's buy an extra
double roll.
Always get it because you

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (46:37):
Just for repairs or whatever.
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01- (46:40):
Always do it because if you don't,
you're gonna try to repair alittle part and it's just gonna
be a nightmare.
So I always, that was a, thatwas a happy mistake the first
time.
Like, oh, I'm sorry, you've anextra double roll.
Fortunately it wasn't a superexpensive when it worked out,
but I, it has happened to moreclients than, than you would

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (46:57):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (46:57):
we had

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (46:58):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (46:59):
So I always have extra now.
Yeah.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (47:02):
Okay.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_13495 (47:03):
we've learned some stuff.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025 (47:04):
I, I think so.
I think that everybody haslearned that you should take
pictures of your border andbring it in and show it to
Dwayne.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134 (47:10):
Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-202 (47:10):
Um, and, um, if you have some
problems with your man stayingin the bathroom a little too
long, do some fun toilet paperto run'em outta there.
So, or not a toilet paper.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2 (47:21):
Friend toilet paper.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_1349 (47:22):
grass.
I had some, I had a designer Icleaned up on it and she put
real grass cloth in a, a powderbathroom, and the client said,
well, why's that bad?
And it's like, does your husbandalways hit the toilet?
No.
And I said, well, he justurinated on grass on your wall.

(47:43):
So here we go,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2 (47:43):
Well, you know, if you do that, just
tell your husband he is got apiece sitting down now.
So

stuart-host497_1_04-01-20 (47:47):
Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-20 (47:47):
join the crowd.
as always, thank you all forlistening.
We will have another new funepisode out next week.
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And we're gonna continue that.
Um, trying to move forward and,um, if not, check, connect with

(48:11):
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And until then, we will see youthen.
Thanks, Kate.
Bye.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-202 (48:18):
Bye.