September 4, 2025 • 36 mins
David Ferrugio, host of Dead Talks podcast, shares his journey through grief after losing his father in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and how it inspired him to create a show exploring mortality through meaningful conversations.
• Personal experience losing his father at age 12 during the 9/11 attacks
• How processing grief through "exposure therapy" helped him cope with trauma
• Fascinating patterns in near-death experiences and what they might tell us about the afterlife
• Why differences in NDEs might be personalized transitions to make the experience less jarring
• Deathbed visions reported by hospice workers and their consistency across different patients
• The concept that "conversations about death are essentially conversations about life"
• How talking about mortality has increased his compassion and perspective on daily challenges
• The comparison between facing rejection in real estate and building a podcast about difficult topics
• Reflection on different approaches to death: quick versus prolonged, and how each presents unique challenges
• Unconventional burial practices from around the world, including Tibetan sky burials
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, all right, this is going to be a little
different show Hugo, that'sright.
A little different, littledifferent.
You know we're going to talkabout an interesting topic here.
What is it?
The topic today is going to beabout death.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Death, yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, all right, yeah.
Yeah, it's an interesting topic.
We don't normally talk aboutdeath on the show too much.
It tends to kill the show.
That's a terrible joke man thatis a terrible joke, terrible
joke, but no, this is a reallyinteresting person that I've met
or I've seen online.
(01:01):
I was on social media and thisshow came up and it was actually
Gary Sinise, and I'm looking atGary Sinise talking to this
host.
His name is David, who's goingto be on a couple of minutes
here.
It's called dead talks and theytalk about death and they
really kind of they talk aboutit more in like a discovery,
kind of a uh, yeah, more of aninvestigate, like I heart.
(01:22):
It's hard to explain, but it'snot like, it's not like totally
sad, it's not like really,really, oh, I'm going to sit
there and cry the whole time,but it was really interesting
because they really kind oftalks about life.
So dead talks is the name ofthis podcast.
You definitely want to check itout and we are lucky enough to
have the host, david Ferruccio,here with us right now.
(01:42):
So here he is, david.
How you doing, man, I'm doinggreat.
How you doing, I'm doing great,I'm doing really well, yeah, so
I just I love your show.
I love your show.
Yeah, it's so different.
I mean, I listened to agazillion podcasts and you think
sometimes, am I going to hearsomething new.
Am I going to hear somethingdifferent, something creative,
(02:03):
something original?
And you did it, you.
You really came up with a showthat's interesting.
Uh, it's creative, it's.
It's something we allexperience we either we're going
to all experience ourselves.
But we're also experienced theother side of it, when we lose
somebody, and that's death.
How in the world, or why didyou come up with this topic or
(02:24):
this place to go on on podcasts?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Uh, it starts personally, but also a little
bit about what you tapped into.
It's the most universal thing Ibelieve that we experienced and
I just don't see a lot ofpeople talking about it.
I'm not the only one doing it,but for me personally that I my
my big one, if you will losingmy dad on September 11th.
He died in the World TradeCenter when I was 12.
Podcasts weren't a thing yet,so it wasn't on the forefront of
my mind.
(02:48):
But growing up, I had thisweird hunch about thinking about
what I'm going to do and Ialways felt like I was going to
be speaking in some capacity.
Why, I have no idea, but I knewit was going to come back to my
dad and ultimately, due to myown experience with grief and
whatnot, I decided to make it alittle more public and share
other people's stories.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, it's awesome and I and I think it's just like
anything when we talk to peoplethat are in the mental health
field, you know that come intothe studio.
It's a stigma, you know.
We, we know we talked aboutthis before, hugo when people
talk about wills and trusts andstuff, nobody wants to talk
about those things becausethey're just not fun.
You don't go to a bar and go,let's have a drink and talk
(03:30):
about death, or let's have adrink and talk about wills and
trusts and things like that.
But it's inevitable.
But I think if you can kind of Idon't even want to call it
normalize it or whatever youwant to call it make it, that
it's okay, then it is okay.
You know to talk about it.
So I think now, when you wentto go to do this show, did you
talk to somebody and go I'mstarting this podcast.
It's going to be awesome, causemost of the podcasts are like
(03:50):
these uplifting topics and youknow we're going to, we're going
to do one that's called.
You know, yay, yippee, ik, I'mhappy as could be, whatever it
would be and you're coming outand you say to somebody we're
going to, I'm going to startthis new one.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's going to be called dead talks.
Yeah, you know, I will clearlynever had a drink with me at the
bar, because it definitelycomes up more, you know what
that would be awesome.
So maybe we uh, if we uh clinkthe glasses at one point, you'll
see what I'm talking about.
But uh, yeah, no, I still haveno idea what I'm doing.
So, especially starting, youknow, I just it's just felt
authentic in regards to what Ifeel passionate about, what I
(04:26):
thought was important.
Of course, I have the audiencein mind, but I've always had
that question mark I was reallyanyone going to listen to a
podcast about death?
And deep down I thought so.
I just didn't know how it wasgoing to go down or how I was
going to do it.
And the show and theconversations have evolved
significantly since when I firststarted.
But again, yeah, I didn't, Ijust put it out there.
It was like let's just throwenough shit at the wall, see if
(04:47):
it sticks, and if not, that'sgreat.
I still, even to this day, fiveyears later, I was like,
regardless, if this, you know,fully turns into a career for me
, I'm still going to want to doit.
And I think that goes back tothe premise of the passion
behind it, regardless, and I'vebeen blessed to have people
listen, and I've been moreblessed to speak to incredible
people that carry the show morethan I do.
You know what I mean.
So it's been a fun journey, andnow I specifically even feel
(05:09):
more confirmed that this is atopic that people want to listen
to, and I'm just trying to dothe best I can, honestly.
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, well, you're, you're.
You're doing really well and Ithink we talked about that a
little before we startedrecording You're doing really
well.
I think it's actually what I'venoticed when I'm watching your
show is you're, it's aboutauthenticity.
You know, that's any show, Idon't care what the topic is.
There's passion, that'sdefinitely there, but you're
authentic about it.
You know, you, really.
You know and I always talk aboutpeople say, well, how do you
(05:36):
know how to ask questions?
How do you know you know whatto do?
It's it's, it's curiosity.
I mean, every situation ofsomebody dying is unique.
There's no two ways that are.
You know.
Obviously, the different waysyou can die are the same, but
the actual story of thatperson's life, or the story of
how they got to that point orwhat happened to them, or why
(05:57):
were they, where, was it cancer,was it this?
Was it that was an al als, youdon't know.
They're all your unique stories.
And then some of the stuff thatI want to talk about, that too,
is near-death experiences,people that got to that edge,
right to that edge of where wenever know really what's going
on there, and came back andactually tell these stories.
So let's go into a little bitabout your dad if you don't mind
(06:21):
telling a little bit of thatstory, if you can just say what
your experience was with 9-11.
I mean, you said you were, Ithink you were 12.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, I was 12.
Uh, you tell me how deep youwant me to go with it.
I can give you a the quickversion, or that day, what do
you want to hear?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Um, give me that day abbreviated.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Sure, okay, today was September 11th, uh.
So yeah, I mean long story long.
Trying to make it short, I was12 at the time.
Seventh grade, I went intofirst period and my buddy, jeff,
knew my dad worked in the tradecenter.
He said, hey, doesn't your dadwork in the world trade center?
And I said, yeah, why?
He's like.
A plane flew into the buildingand let alone being at 12.
That just made no sense.
I'm like what does he mean?
A plane flew into my dad'sbuilding.
I tried making a call at theoffice, couldn't get, couldn't.
They didn't allow me to make acall.
Big commuter town.
(07:06):
So I think the whole school waskind of chaotic, a little on
the world.
And uh, by the time I startedwalking home I would, you know,
I was going through the wholeday not knowing what was going
on.
My mom made the decision tokeep me in school, which I back
a thousand percent.
You know, looking back I'm likeinto the chaos.
(07:30):
She had no idea what was goingon.
She let me go through school,came home and I remember, and
I'll never forget, walkingaround the bend to get to my
cul-de-sac I see cars outside myhouse and that was the first
time I realized that somethingwent on, something serious is
about to happen and essentiallychanged my life forever.
And when I got into the house meand my best friend at the time
who walked home with me we gotseparated.
I remember making my way to theliving room because I wanted to
see the TV.
Someone or people were tryingto keep me away from it, but I
there was no.
No one was going to stop me tosee what was happening and I saw
(07:51):
the footage for the first timeand that's I remember just
breaking down, just just sobbing, and then everything went black
.
It was as if my body just wentinto overload.
I was like you can't handlethis, so we're going to shut it
down for a quick second.
And that's kind of the theme ofmy experience in a sense,
because I don't remember a lot.
(08:11):
I think it was my bodyprotecting me.
But, like I said a milliontimes on my show, it's a weird
contradiction because yourbody's protecting you in that
moment, because it's just systemoverload and it's protecting
you, but it's going to mess youup later If you don't deal with
exactly what that moment broughtupon in a way that it's
protecting you in the momentfight or flight type shit.
But after that, something yougot to work out and that's
(08:34):
something that's been a longpart of my journey is unraveling
a lot as I became a man.
Even to date, as 36 years old,is a lot that came on down the
road that uncover what this,that and the other, and along
the lines it became way morecomfortable speaking about it,
expressing myself because I wasnot that person, which is a big
premise behind one of the manyreasons I have the podcast and
the show is because I wassomeone who didn't talk about it
(08:54):
.
And I'm not saying talkingabout it is always the answer,
but it's a decent starting point.
It's a it's a decent expressionof what you've gone through,
and sharing that through storiesis something I'm passionate
about.
You can learn from otherpeople's experiences like my own
or the guests that I've had.
It's not the same as gettingpunched in the face, but it can
give you a little bit, a littlebit more in your arsenal for
when when stuff really goes downin your life.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and it's a tribute to your dad.
You know what you're doing,obviously.
You know, I think.
I think obviously he'd be veryproud of what you're doing
because you're keeping thatlegacy going and you're helping
people that deal with grief andand not everybody gets to the
point you are there's peoplethat carry that their whole
lives and never get to the pointof being able to let that go or
(09:38):
not let it go.
I shouldn't say you never wantto let it because it's there,
it's, it's uh, but to be able totalk about it, to help share
that story, you know, becauseyou're gonna, you're gonna
change other people's lives bydoing that yeah, that's in
regards to what you just said.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's fascinating because you know I get a lot of
engagement on what I post and Isee more often a lot people
commenting.
You know I've been grieving for40 years, 30 years.
It never goes away, it nevergets better this, that and the
other and you know i't respondto everything and some things I
choose not to respond to becauseit's not my place and I don't
want to come off wrong in acouple messages online.
(10:11):
This is not the right place,but it's it's.
It's sad when I see people thatare still carrying it.
And again what you said, youalways carry it, you evolve with
it, you don't just let go.
But there are things you canlet go of and to me, that's
always comes back to perspectiveand the way you see things and
it depends on the time and whereyou are with your experience.
Cause if you're fresh in it,whatever that means, cause that
(10:31):
timeline is different foreveryone there's it's not going
to resonate and doesn't have toresonate.
It's got to allow it to suck,to be honest.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But at some point you people that I've had on it's
like I completely disagree, thatdoesn't get better.
And my cliche statement withthat is whatever you, whatever
you believe and whatever you say, even out loud or to yourself,
and that's going to be it.
And if you're not going to, ifyou're going to say it's not
going to get better, it's nevergoing to get better and it's not
.
That's just truly how I feeland I just, I implore people
just to at least put a maybe inthere.
(11:01):
You don't have to be so amatter of fact, like it's going
to get better, like I.
I believe, even if you justthrow a little bit of a maybe in
there, give yourself a littlewiggle room, no matter what, how
low the percentage you mightseem it is, it's just possible.
I've seen it too many times.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I say when I see people get stuck in that way
yeah, so much, and do you,though, obviously, are talking
about it.
So you know, they're obviouslygetting to a certain place with
that.
But even with Gary, when he wason Gary Sinise, he said I guess
he didn't start talking aboutit until he was involved in
something else for the warriors,I guess for the military, and I
(11:36):
guess then he started tellinghis story.
So there must be.
But what's weird is that, youknow, here you have a guy that's
you know, very much in thepublic's eye and I think it's a,
it's a great that that he istelling the starters.
I was really surprised to seehim tell the story on your show,
cause a lot of times, you know,those type of people don't tell
it, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, and I asked him that and if I'm watching the
episodes, I don't butcher it.
But at the same time, it wassomething along the lines of
when he got, I think he did aninterview on people with people
for the first time and you know,I think my episode is one of
only few he's done so far.
But he just realized the effectthat it has on people by
sharing stories and I think herelated it to his work with the
veterans in regards to themtalking about it and putting it
(12:17):
out there, and he felt a similarmission in regards to doing the
same.
And you know, just from thatepisode being out there and the
response it had, it's it's proofof that and it's proof of the
power that you can have bysharing stories because, again,
as you mentioned earlier, it'sthere's the same death
experience in many ways, likethe way people can die can be
the same, or the people you lose.
You lose a father, brother,this, that and the other but
(12:39):
every story is so unique.
I could talk to a millionpeople who lost their father and
every story is going to bedifferent because it's such a
different experience foreveryone.
And with that is the beauty,because you could find
similarities, you could findthings you relate to, and you
could also find things that younever thought of.
You could find things thatdon't relate to you.
But even in the non-relatingaspects of a conversation, it
gets you thinking.
It gets you exploring a littledeeper about your own experience
(13:00):
, and I think that's a big partof it is is is facing it, is
going through it, and facing itwas one thing that I did growing
up.
I was doing something calledexposure therapy.
I didn't even know what thehell that was until eight months
ago.
I was constantly watching thefootage over and over again,
like a lunatic.
I thought something was wrongwith me, like why am I keep
watching?
I keep watching it, oh, everyangle.
Try to find new footage, watchthat day over and over again,
(13:21):
whatever I could find.
I just kept watching it andpart of me was trying to get
emotions out.
I wanted to cry.
I wanted to make myself cry.
Maybe I wasn't crying enough andI put myself there and I think
there could have been a thinline of doing it too much, but I
feel like I accidentally putmyself in a place which was
(13:42):
exposure therapy, of puttingmyself where the trauma was,
facing it, seeing it for what itwas and giving my own meaning
to it.
And I think there's some powerto jumping into the fire, if
you're not already just in thefire, without asking, inherently
with grief.
But there's something aboutfacing it and whatever way that
means.
It could be this way, it couldbe that way, but there is a
power to facing it but notstaying there.
There could be a limit to that,but at the same time, facing it
at some point opens doors forthe rest of your life yeah, do
(14:03):
you think there's all?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
maybe also there's a.
You get a numbing effect in away if you keep watching the
same thing.
Is that?
Maybe is that part of it too,where you're just kind of you're
so.
You've seen it so many timesthat maybe it doesn't that way.
When you're in a bar somewhereor you're out somewhere and you
see the footage, it doesn'taffect you the same way as it
used to yeah, I, I mean I'mpretty sure that happens with
doctors constantly when theyconstantly deal with patients
(14:26):
that are dying.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's a numbing effect to it.
So I don't know.
That's something that whoever'slistening has got to check in
with themselves and determinewhat that is.
Yeah, I'm sure there's adesensitization to it.
Whether that's healthy or not,I don't know, but in my case it
was doing it to feelings outthere and to try to understand
it.
I think, in particular my caseit was just so absurd like nine,
(14:49):
11 for so many people ingeneral, as it's so absurd in
the way that it went down andwhat it is, even to date, I'm
like, does it feels like a movie?
It doesn't feel like somethinglike that can even happen.
But then when some that taughtme a lesson early too is the
fact that not only my dad diedat 12, it's the way that he died
I was like, oh, this happens.
As crazy as this is, someonecan even write this in hollywood
(15:09):
this happens.
And it just made me expect theunexpected and I never took it
as a victim mentality.
I never really asked at least Idon't recollect asking why me,
how could this happen?
It's never that question.
It's like, oh no, this happens.
And then now what and now what.
That's just really how I'veseen it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it was definitely.
You know how many 3,200 people,or there's only 3,200 people
that experienced, I think, thatday.
I think that's how many peoplepassed that day.
I'm not sure exactly the number, but I know it was in that
realm.
But that was the most uniqueway of death really was was nine
(15:47):
, 11.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, One of them.
I mean, you know a lot hashappened in history, but that
was definitely a.
It's definitely a staple, ifyou will.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Unbelievable.
Hopefully never again.
Yeah, we never again.
That's that's what I know whythey say that yeah.
So the other thing too is ishave you interviewed or talked
to anybody else that had a lovedone or family member in in the
towers or in 9-11, in the 9-11situation?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
not on the podcast.
I've connected a bunch ofpeople.
I'm kind of in a little laggingright now but I was planning on
getting a few episodes withpeople in my similar situation
or knew someone personally with9-11.
So I haven't anyone on theepisode, uh, just people that
have been have been related toit.
I've had brian clark on, whosurvived that day.
I have an episode that'sdropping in a couple weeks with
michael hinkson, who survivedthat day too and he's blind.
(16:37):
Uh, neil degrasse tyson was aninteresting one so again it
wasn't personal, but he wasthere downtown when it happened,
so he got a different look athim for his experience being
there.
So a lot of these conversationsagain, it's kind of related to
my experience of trying to findnew footage and see it in a
different way, where it was anew exploratory way of me
getting different angles fromthat day and other vantage
points and opened up differentfeelings in my in my way that I
(16:59):
didn't think I would feel so far, so far down the road.
So I yeah no, I haven't spokento anyone on the show, but I've
definitely spoken to people offthe record about it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, very, very interesting.
I had some questions about justsome of the people that come on
, like the near death experience.
I mean, you hear about thisstuff uh very often.
You know you'll hear differentstories and I've always kind of
heard kind of a commonalitybetween those stories.
Have you had people on likethat and I think you have cause.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I kind of breezed through some of your videos and
do you find it's that commontype story that you hear?
There's commonalities and a lotof differences, and people
focus on the differences thattend to not believe it, from
what I'm gathering.
I'm not speaking in such ageneral term to assume what
everyone feels, but yeah,there's definitely consistencies
and I'll tap into why.
I think the differences makesense to me at the same time.
First and foremost, the mainconsistency to me, to say it in
(17:54):
layman's terms, like it's allgoing to be good, like based on
all these experiences, whetheryou believe them or not.
I personally believe them, eventhough there's some swindlers
in every aspect of life, ofcourse, but just inherently,
with near death experiences, Ibelieve them and the commonality
is that it's all good.
And on the other side, if youwill, is just incomprehensibly
loving and euphoria and afeeling that I think, just in
(18:15):
these bodies, we just won't beable to comprehend, at least to
date.
So, ultimately, everything isgoing to be good and they're all
talking about some overwhelmingfeeling of love.
It's like this, like thecreator, god, whatever you want
to call it.
Source is this feeling thatthat these people have never
gotten on earth and it'ssomething that they seem to
chase, and also there seems tobe a little bit of a hangover at
(18:35):
some point when you come back.
My mom had an experience whichkind of relates to that.
She had her own near-deathexperience.
But I think outside of that, alot of consistency I've also
heard is choosing this life,which is a whole nother rabbit
hole, a conversation whether totake it however you please,
choosing a life that we'reexperiencing now which makes
people angry in some capacitybecause they don't understand
(18:56):
why they would choose some ofthe horrible things that happens
on this earth.
But it makes sense to me, if Itry to come up with a theory
that I resonate with.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's go back.
I'd like to talk about thisChoosing your life Is that?
Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that's what I've heard over and over again.
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Very interesting.
Yeah, let's go man, you openedit up.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I don't want this to be a four hour podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
How much time you got .
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I'm good, I'm on your time right now.
But, yeah, no, essentially, asas I'm saying it, they're saying
we, we chose this path.
Uh, maybe not in certaindetails, as certain things go,
cause it's a blend of free willand the decisions we make, but
from my understanding, it'schoosing this life, like
choosing the people in our life,like our parents, uh, choosing
where we're born and certainevents that'll happen.
(19:43):
I'm just not sure how specific.
I think it's more the way Ithink about it.
If I'd understood it, it'salmost like you get this weird
ass iPad, ipad, uh, and whereverwe are, and you're kind of
swiping through and saying, oh,david's going to experience deep
grief, he's going to have to dothis, you're gonna have to do
that.
That sounds interesting, causein my past life I never
experienced that but it out.
And so that is what they'resaying we chose.
(20:08):
And if say that's true, you cango in two ways.
In my opinion, it's like whythe hell would I choose this?
I'm miserable right now.
This is ridiculous, you idiot,or it's okay, I chose this.
There must be a reason behindit.
Right, take and pick.
There's other options inregards to that, but long story
short, it's potentially a lifethat we and a lot of people get
(20:28):
pissed off again at.
But why is there murder andstarvation and all this stuff?
And that's something that Idon't know.
We want to go down that pathbecause it's hard to understand,
but there just seems to be abigger reason.
There just seems to besomething so much bigger than
what we can comprehend unlessyou've had these experiences.
That's what I'm gathering fromit.
But, real quick, the differencesis what I think confuses people
(20:49):
, because there's so manydifferent segues in regards to
these stories, like the, thebeginning of the near death
experience or whatever happensfirst, that buffer zone, if you
will.
That seems to be reallydifferent.
You see different things, youexperience different things,
which is why a lot of people saywell, if it, if this is true,
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how come they're notexperiencing the same thing?
And for what I've heard from Iforget which guests and also my
own calculations is you see,what you have to see that makes
the most sense to you on earth.
So it's almost like a a smoothtransition to get to that other
side.
Maybe, after a certain point,yeah, you start seeing and
experiencing the same things.
But that buffer zone, thattransitionary period, almost has
to be different because itmight be too shocking just to go
to the other side.
So, to my head, it's like atrailer to a movie where you're
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going to see things that makeyou feel comfortable, that
relate to you, whether it'ssports, animals, this that
colors, people that you love.
It's just a transitionaryperiod and, from my
understanding, that might be whyit's so different for everyone.
Through that tunnel, if youwill, in order to kind of give
us a smooth transition towhatever's coming next.
Well, it could beinterpretation, for sure.
Yeah, I think maybe it's a lotof that too.
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
No, but, but you bring up good, good, uh,
possibilities, good, um, thingsthat could, could be happening.
And I think a lot of timesinterpretation it also has to do
with you know, your brain isstill at that point, your spirit
is functioning in that heightmoment and it's all about what,
how you see it.
You know, and the one thing thatI've heard a couple of times is
recently I've heard a lot ofthis when people is that they
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see family members that arethere to greet them, to kind of
take them, you know, over andI've had being in real estate,
I've dealt with a good amount ofestates and trusts and things
like that, and unfortunately,sometimes I'm meeting with the,
the families, after somebody hadjust passed and we'll talk
about those last moments and alot of times they'll actually
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like the people are just aboutready to to check out.
They'll kind of sit up andthey'll be like, oh my God,
uncle Johnny's right behind you,you know, and Uncle Johnny's
been gone forever and for a longtime, and it's like they're
there, like they're looking atthem in their eyes, you know.
So those are the things youhear too that are really, really
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interesting.
So do you hear those storiesabout.
You know persons above them, orthere's bright lights or
there's somebody in the roomwith them, those kinds of things
.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, all the time.
I mean again my, we can.
Depending on the time of theshow, I can tap into what my mom
experienced, because that wasthe most personal experience
that I've had.
That I knew wasn't someonebatshit crazy telling me
something, it was the hospicenurses.
So that's something that isjust in the curriculum.
That's something thatconstantly happens with hospice
nurses.
(23:31):
They vision happens with hospicenurses is they vision the
client's vision and then theyexperience seeing deceased loved
ones and, as from myunderstanding and what I've
heard from very popular nursesthat have had in the show,
they're talking about how, whenthey have these deathbed visions
, it's usually a sign thatthey're about to they might be
dying soon.
Whether it's weeks or days, Idon't know, but it's something
that happens.
That they don't have a hardunderstanding and they
completely rule out lack ofoxygen, morphine they're not
saying it's any of that.
Sure, other situations I cancause that perhaps, I'm sure,
but all these potentialvariables that could cause that
(23:53):
seem to be ruled out and theyconstantly see this and they're
ready to handle it becausethey're expected to see it.
And so when you start seeing itin hospitals or hospice nurses
that are there on the forefrontand they're having these
experiences that are most of thetime very peaceful and giving
them a smooth transition out.
It's hard to argue and yeah, Imean I don't know when it
happened so many times it'salways deceased loved ones.
(24:14):
It's not a hallucination ofsomeone who's already alive.
It's always deceased loved ones.
So at some point, whether it'sgoing to survive in the court of
law or not, it's got to raisequestions.
Okay, what are we missing here?
Or maybe you could just acceptit as is.
Like this happens and it's upto you to believe what's what,
but this happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, which makes you feel comfortable, though, like
you said, these stories likethat make you feel comfortable,
in that the fact that everydeath is just so unknown,
there's nobody that can just saythis is exactly what happens,
this is exactly how it's goingto go, and that's pretty wild.
Also, if you're looking andyou're talking to different
nurses and hospice peopleanybody that does hospice, god
(24:54):
bless them.
Seriously, I don't understandhow you can do that.
I could never do it myself, butthey're special people.
But if they're all telling thesame stories from all over the
world, it's not like there's aconvention where they get
together and say, well, this iswhat we're going to say, we're
going to say this, and then thatway we're all on the same page.
You know what I mean.
So it's, it's happening.
(25:16):
These things are.
These are real.
We don't know why, but they'rereal.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And that's the same time it was everyone just
getting together just makingthis shit up, and there's plenty
of stories that have documentedevidence of the experiences
happening.
So at some point, when you hearso many stories and a lot of
people that dismiss it, I'm likeI don't even know if you're
really just looking into it alittle bit just to explore the
(25:42):
idea again.
Say, maybe, and there's justtoo much, and I've had too many
people on my show explainingthings.
I've read too much, watched toomany videos and have personal
experiences that just make melike I keep like a small
percentage open.
I'm very like 99 this, but Idon't know yeah so at the same
time, I've just heard too muchthat it's like.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
This seems very possible yeah, and you're
talking to all people that havebeen around it.
So what?
So?
What have you?
What's the biggest thing thatyou've learned through this?
Like, as a host of of dead talktalks, yeah, um, what have you
learned?
Like, is there, is theresomething you're like?
Wow, this just blows my mind,cause I'd never really realized
(26:21):
this, or I didn't realize this.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I mean it's opened my mind in regards to just
contemplation with the afterlifeand what happens.
That was a big one in regardsto just opening doors or things
I didn't even know were eventheories or experiences that
happened.
I didn't get into near deathexperience until I started
talking about on the show.
I didn't really know much aboutit, but this might sound
general, but these conversationsabout death are essentially
conversations about life.
(26:45):
So people ask me a lot of timeoh, this must be so healthy for
you, for your own grief.
I'm like, yeah, it's helped mefor sure.
But I'm also 20 plus years downthe line, so I've gone through
a lot.
But at the same time I'verealized these experiences about
grief and what you go throughwith death and whatnot.
It applies, it's so applicable,to everything we go through in
(27:05):
life.
So it's really helped me withjust my compassion with other
people, because I've heard somany stories about what they've
gone through and on paper italways seems so much worse than
what I've gone through and seethese stories of healing and
perseverance.
So it just made me.
It made me relax and all thesestories just made me relax
because you're not alone.
The hardest thing you've evergone through is the hardest
thing you've ever gone through,because you're not alone.
The hardest thing you've evergone through is the hardest
(27:26):
thing you've ever gone through.
But at the same time,witnessing these stories of
perseverance and healing anddifferent perspectives just make
me carry myself through life ina totally different way.
I take things less seriously now, but not in a desensitized way.
It's just thinking of thepossibility that we continue on.
I feel very confident aboutthat.
It just makes me take a breath,Like you know what it's, it's
(27:48):
going to be okay.
I don't care what the hellhappens to me.
It could be the worst thing onthe world.
In my head I'm like, well, it'sgoing to end at some point.
I'm going to die.
So it's, I end at some point.
It's not going to be perpetualno-transcript going through
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really and not to just not totake it down.
It means nothing because I knowI'm now thinking about what
they've gone through, withoutknowing what they've gone
through, and it's just trying tosee my lens of light through
the lens of others, and thismade me more patient.
(28:35):
It's made me more compassionateand a little slower to get
frustrated with other people.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, that's interesting, very cool.
Very cool.
What do you find, and we'regoing to wrap this up soon.
Very cool, what do you find andwe're going to wrap this up
soon.
But what do you find to be?
Do you think that people have aharder time with quick death,
unknown or slower death, dieslower, dying over time?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I don't know, you gotta ask the peanut gallery,
but for my conversations it's.
Uh, they both suck yeah, theyboth suck they both suck.
But at the same time it's justso different because you know
you you're watching someone die,which you're starting, you're
seeing them.
You're seeing them in a waythat isn't representable of who
they've been their entire life,because you're seeing them
suffer.
But also you have a chance tohave conversations that maybe
(29:19):
you wouldn't have had.
When someone dies in a quickway, like my dad or plenty of
other people to me, I thinkthink the pull the bandaid off
might be.
If I had to pick between shitand a shit croissant, I'd
probably take the quick one.
But at the same time, you know,then you're not going to have
an opportunity to maybe saythings you wanted to say.
(29:39):
But then to me my mentality isthat's what, that notion that
people can just disappear in asecond.
It's like, okay, I got to saywhat I got to say now, I got to
do what I got to do now.
Disappear in a second.
It's like, okay, I gotta saywhat I gotta say now, I gotta do
what I gotta do now, not in arushed way, but taking an
opportunity of what's in my liferight now.
So if someone does get takenaway in a quick, abrupt manner,
then you're not holding on toanything and then you're not
going to have that thatdangerous regret feeling.
(30:00):
Even though I think it's, I tryto, I don't really hang on to
the word regret, because you canonly make the best decisions
you can in the moment.
Yeah, you can be like, oh, Ishould have done this, should
have done that, I should havespent more time.
Well, that's part of theprocess, it's part of figuring
this shit out.
It's just you can't.
It's like hindsight is 20-20for a reason.
It's much easier looking backthen, but watching someone die
is just a terrible thing.
But I've also seen so manypeople that have made the most
(30:23):
of those situations.
Granted, they wish they did itearlier, but they're able to
have a little bit more closurebecause now they know their time
is limited, so it sucks eitherway.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think people that if you're the one not dying,
you're the one observing.
I think people that go to bedat night without any regrets can
go to sleep at night and ifsomething did happen, you would
feel okay, I was whole with that, I was good with that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think a lot of times, people that have regrets
and somebody dies suddenly, itcan really hurt them for a very,
very long time yeah, and it'salso again that perspective,
that decision is that when youinevitably do something that you
wish you did, okay, that's gone, that gone, that moment's gone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, exactly Right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
As cold as that is.
That's just that's.
I don't know what to tell you.
That's what it is.
So now it goes back to that.
Okay, now what?
What do I do with that?
How can I, how can I do itdifferently next time?
Now you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So, again.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You got to get punched in the face before you.
Someone swings at you next andyou can just be more prepared.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I agree with you a hundred percent.
So is there anything else thatyou wanted to talk about before
we wrap this up?
Is there anything that you werelike?
Man, when I get on the show orwhen I talk about this stuff, I
want to make sure I get thispoint across.
Is there anything at all?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Uh, I mean, that's not really death related, but it
was funny.
I was thinking about it inregards to how you do real
estate, and that's my backgroundas well.
I was.
I forgot what came up the otherday.
I was like, oh, you know whatI've done in real estate for the
last 10, 12 years or whatnot.
Actually, I pull a lot of whatI did growing this show.
So this has nothing to do withany philosophical explanation of
what you might have expected,but I told you about in relation
(31:53):
to your real estate background.
A lot of my groundwork wasknocking on doors, picking up
the phone and just a hard groundhustle and I feel like in
regards to growing this show,which has been a better face,
the same it's kind of the sameaspect of getting guests and
reaching out to people.
I get turned down all the time,especially in the early years,
but that was my entire thingwith real estate.
Was I constantly like?
99% of the time people told meno and I got rejected, and I
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think that was just such alesson with anything in life in
regards to what goes like ourplans, that we have and things
don't work out and people tellyou no or things are this, that
and the other.
It's like just be ready for ano, be ready for things not
going your way and when thingsdon't go your way, other doors
open up and it's like havingthat faith aspect.
I know people say hope can bedangerous.
Well, I don't.
Just you can have a little bitof hope and some faith aspect of
(32:35):
that things even though whenthey don't go the way you expect
something else is going to openup.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
They say, rejection is God's protection.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Who says that you like that.
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I don't know who told me that one at one point, but I
think it's really good.
And a light note.
I have a question for you,david.
Besides the conventional waysto dispose of one's body once
one is dead, what would be thefunniest or most interesting way
to dispose of a body besidesthe two, uh, conventional ones?
(33:06):
What would you?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
say, I mean I can, I can get weird and say funniest,
but off the rip.
The only, uh, the only one thatstands out to me the most, that
is, I think, is the wildest onethat I'm fat, I'm going to be
digging into more.
Are y'all familiar with thetibetan sky ritual, the?
What Are you?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
all familiar with the Tibetan sky ritual, the what?
The Tibetan sky ritual, no, skyburial no.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's in Tibet and they apparently chop up the body
, go to this mountain peak withmonks and whatnot and they feed
the body to the vultures.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Wow, wow, and is that ?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
considered to be like they're feeding the body back
to the earth, I guess in somecapacity, because they eat it,
they excrete it, yada, yada, andit's just some wildness that
I'm not knowledgeable to speakon beyond that.
But yeah, they feed the body tothese birds, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Man, I always thought about, you know, just putting
my body in like in a cannon,like I shoot it like a Steve-O
jackass and everything.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I don't know what the Guatemalans do, but you know I
mean this in the nicest waypossible, but now I hope you die
before me.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So you can come check it out.
Hey, I'll tell you what David.
I'll let you know when it is.
If he does and you can come out, we'll fly you out and you can
check it out.
Put me on the newsletter I'mgoing to parachute in my, in my
feet put a parachute on my feet.
Oh my gosh.
No, that's, that's amazing.
Well, thanks so much for comingon the show.
The best thing, I think, is forpeople to check you out It'd be
(34:23):
Instagram, I think, right now,and also you have your own
website too, right?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, yeah.
If you just Google Dead Talkstwo words, it should pop up.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Whatever platform you're most comfortable with.
If you type in Dead Talks, itcomes up right away.
There's not many shows that areclose to that, but that's
awesome.
And then also for instagram,it's dead talk podcast.
So it's just instagramcombackslash dead talks podcast.
So thanks for coming on, man.
I appreciate it and, uh, keepdoing what you're doing.
Hopefully we'll have you backon again sometime.
I know you're looking into someother things to have on your
(34:55):
show, other guests, and we'dlove to hear about that.
So, yeah, that's about it.
Thanks a lot, lot.
Appreciate it, brother.
All right, hugo.
Yes, what do you think?
I think it is just time forsome reflection.
Yeah, time for some reflectionis right.
So live your life.
Live your life.
Get out there and do what youwant to do.
Don't have any regrets.
That's pretty much what I gotout of that.
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which then sometimes will affectthe right.
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If you think about it, waynedyer might not attract everybody
and everything in betweenmission was really to help
people just to reach their fullpotential.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, all right, this is going to be a little
different show Hugo, that'sright.
A little different, littledifferent.
You know we're going to talkabout an interesting topic here.
What is it?
The topic today is going to beabout death.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Death, yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, all right, yeah.
Yeah, it's an interesting topic.
We don't normally talk aboutdeath on the show too much.
It tends to kill the show.
That's a terrible joke man thatis a terrible joke, terrible
joke, but no, this is a reallyinteresting person that I've met
or I've seen online.
(01:01):
I was on social media and thisshow came up and it was actually
Gary Sinise, and I'm looking atGary Sinise talking to this
host.
His name is David, who's goingto be on a couple of minutes
here.
It's called dead talks and theytalk about death and they
really kind of they talk aboutit more in like a discovery,
kind of a uh, yeah, more of aninvestigate, like I heart.
(01:22):
It's hard to explain, but it'snot like, it's not like totally
sad, it's not like really,really, oh, I'm going to sit
there and cry the whole time,but it was really interesting
because they really kind oftalks about life.
So dead talks is the name ofthis podcast.
You definitely want to check itout and we are lucky enough to
have the host, david Ferruccio,here with us right now.
(01:42):
So here he is, david.
How you doing, man, I'm doinggreat.
How you doing, I'm doing great,I'm doing really well, yeah, so
I just I love your show.
I love your show.
Yeah, it's so different.
I mean, I listened to agazillion podcasts and you think
sometimes, am I going to hearsomething new.
Am I going to hear somethingdifferent, something creative,
(02:03):
something original?
And you did it, you.
You really came up with a showthat's interesting.
Uh, it's creative, it's.
It's something we allexperience we either we're going
to all experience ourselves.
But we're also experienced theother side of it, when we lose
somebody, and that's death.
How in the world, or why didyou come up with this topic or
(02:24):
this place to go on on podcasts?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Uh, it starts personally, but also a little
bit about what you tapped into.
It's the most universal thing Ibelieve that we experienced and
I just don't see a lot ofpeople talking about it.
I'm not the only one doing it,but for me personally that I my
my big one, if you will losingmy dad on September 11th.
He died in the World TradeCenter when I was 12.
Podcasts weren't a thing yet,so it wasn't on the forefront of
my mind.
(02:48):
But growing up, I had thisweird hunch about thinking about
what I'm going to do and Ialways felt like I was going to
be speaking in some capacity.
Why, I have no idea, but I knewit was going to come back to my
dad and ultimately, due to myown experience with grief and
whatnot, I decided to make it alittle more public and share
other people's stories.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, it's awesome and I and I think it's just like
anything when we talk to peoplethat are in the mental health
field, you know that come intothe studio.
It's a stigma, you know.
We, we know we talked aboutthis before, hugo when people
talk about wills and trusts andstuff, nobody wants to talk
about those things becausethey're just not fun.
You don't go to a bar and go,let's have a drink and talk
(03:30):
about death, or let's have adrink and talk about wills and
trusts and things like that.
But it's inevitable.
But I think if you can kind of Idon't even want to call it
normalize it or whatever youwant to call it make it, that
it's okay, then it is okay.
You know to talk about it.
So I think now, when you wentto go to do this show, did you
talk to somebody and go I'mstarting this podcast.
It's going to be awesome, causemost of the podcasts are like
(03:50):
these uplifting topics and youknow we're going to, we're going
to do one that's called.
You know, yay, yippee, ik, I'mhappy as could be, whatever it
would be and you're coming outand you say to somebody we're
going to, I'm going to startthis new one.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's going to be called dead talks.
Yeah, you know, I will clearlynever had a drink with me at the
bar, because it definitelycomes up more, you know what
that would be awesome.
So maybe we uh, if we uh clinkthe glasses at one point, you'll
see what I'm talking about.
But uh, yeah, no, I still haveno idea what I'm doing.
So, especially starting, youknow, I just it's just felt
authentic in regards to what Ifeel passionate about, what I
(04:26):
thought was important.
Of course, I have the audiencein mind, but I've always had
that question mark I was reallyanyone going to listen to a
podcast about death?
And deep down I thought so.
I just didn't know how it wasgoing to go down or how I was
going to do it.
And the show and theconversations have evolved
significantly since when I firststarted.
But again, yeah, I didn't, Ijust put it out there.
It was like let's just throwenough shit at the wall, see if
(04:47):
it sticks, and if not, that'sgreat.
I still, even to this day, fiveyears later, I was like,
regardless, if this, you know,fully turns into a career for me
, I'm still going to want to doit.
And I think that goes back tothe premise of the passion
behind it, regardless, and I'vebeen blessed to have people
listen, and I've been moreblessed to speak to incredible
people that carry the show morethan I do.
You know what I mean.
So it's been a fun journey, andnow I specifically even feel
(05:09):
more confirmed that this is atopic that people want to listen
to, and I'm just trying to dothe best I can, honestly.
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, well, you're, you're.
You're doing really well and Ithink we talked about that a
little before we startedrecording You're doing really
well.
I think it's actually what I'venoticed when I'm watching your
show is you're, it's aboutauthenticity.
You know, that's any show, Idon't care what the topic is.
There's passion, that'sdefinitely there, but you're
authentic about it.
You know, you, really.
You know and I always talk aboutpeople say, well, how do you
(05:36):
know how to ask questions?
How do you know you know whatto do?
It's it's, it's curiosity.
I mean, every situation ofsomebody dying is unique.
There's no two ways that are.
You know.
Obviously, the different waysyou can die are the same, but
the actual story of thatperson's life, or the story of
how they got to that point orwhat happened to them, or why
(05:57):
were they, where, was it cancer,was it this?
Was it that was an al als, youdon't know.
They're all your unique stories.
And then some of the stuff thatI want to talk about, that too,
is near-death experiences,people that got to that edge,
right to that edge of where wenever know really what's going
on there, and came back andactually tell these stories.
So let's go into a little bitabout your dad if you don't mind
(06:21):
telling a little bit of thatstory, if you can just say what
your experience was with 9-11.
I mean, you said you were, Ithink you were 12.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, I was 12.
Uh, you tell me how deep youwant me to go with it.
I can give you a the quickversion, or that day, what do
you want to hear?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Um, give me that day abbreviated.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Sure, okay, today was September 11th, uh.
So yeah, I mean long story long.
Trying to make it short, I was12 at the time.
Seventh grade, I went intofirst period and my buddy, jeff,
knew my dad worked in the tradecenter.
He said, hey, doesn't your dadwork in the world trade center?
And I said, yeah, why?
He's like.
A plane flew into the buildingand let alone being at 12.
That just made no sense.
I'm like what does he mean?
A plane flew into my dad'sbuilding.
I tried making a call at theoffice, couldn't get, couldn't.
They didn't allow me to make acall.
Big commuter town.
(07:06):
So I think the whole school waskind of chaotic, a little on
the world.
And uh, by the time I startedwalking home I would, you know,
I was going through the wholeday not knowing what was going
on.
My mom made the decision tokeep me in school, which I back
a thousand percent.
You know, looking back I'm likeinto the chaos.
(07:30):
She had no idea what was goingon.
She let me go through school,came home and I remember, and
I'll never forget, walkingaround the bend to get to my
cul-de-sac I see cars outside myhouse and that was the first
time I realized that somethingwent on, something serious is
about to happen and essentiallychanged my life forever.
And when I got into the house meand my best friend at the time
who walked home with me we gotseparated.
I remember making my way to theliving room because I wanted to
see the TV.
Someone or people were tryingto keep me away from it, but I
there was no.
No one was going to stop me tosee what was happening and I saw
(07:51):
the footage for the first timeand that's I remember just
breaking down, just just sobbing, and then everything went black
.
It was as if my body just wentinto overload.
I was like you can't handlethis, so we're going to shut it
down for a quick second.
And that's kind of the theme ofmy experience in a sense,
because I don't remember a lot.
(08:11):
I think it was my bodyprotecting me.
But, like I said a milliontimes on my show, it's a weird
contradiction because yourbody's protecting you in that
moment, because it's just systemoverload and it's protecting
you, but it's going to mess youup later If you don't deal with
exactly what that moment broughtupon in a way that it's
protecting you in the momentfight or flight type shit.
But after that, something yougot to work out and that's
(08:34):
something that's been a longpart of my journey is unraveling
a lot as I became a man.
Even to date, as 36 years old,is a lot that came on down the
road that uncover what this,that and the other, and along
the lines it became way morecomfortable speaking about it,
expressing myself because I wasnot that person, which is a big
premise behind one of the manyreasons I have the podcast and
the show is because I wassomeone who didn't talk about it
(08:54):
.
And I'm not saying talkingabout it is always the answer,
but it's a decent starting point.
It's a it's a decent expressionof what you've gone through,
and sharing that through storiesis something I'm passionate
about.
You can learn from otherpeople's experiences like my own
or the guests that I've had.
It's not the same as gettingpunched in the face, but it can
give you a little bit, a littlebit more in your arsenal for
when when stuff really goes downin your life.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and it's a tribute to your dad.
You know what you're doing,obviously.
You know, I think.
I think obviously he'd be veryproud of what you're doing
because you're keeping thatlegacy going and you're helping
people that deal with grief andand not everybody gets to the
point you are there's peoplethat carry that their whole
lives and never get to the pointof being able to let that go or
(09:38):
not let it go.
I shouldn't say you never wantto let it because it's there,
it's, it's uh, but to be able totalk about it, to help share
that story, you know, becauseyou're gonna, you're gonna
change other people's lives bydoing that yeah, that's in
regards to what you just said.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's fascinating because you know I get a lot of
engagement on what I post and Isee more often a lot people
commenting.
You know I've been grieving for40 years, 30 years.
It never goes away, it nevergets better this, that and the
other and you know i't respondto everything and some things I
choose not to respond to becauseit's not my place and I don't
want to come off wrong in acouple messages online.
(10:11):
This is not the right place,but it's it's.
It's sad when I see people thatare still carrying it.
And again what you said, youalways carry it, you evolve with
it, you don't just let go.
But there are things you canlet go of and to me, that's
always comes back to perspectiveand the way you see things and
it depends on the time and whereyou are with your experience.
Cause if you're fresh in it,whatever that means, cause that
(10:31):
timeline is different foreveryone there's it's not going
to resonate and doesn't have toresonate.
It's got to allow it to suck,to be honest.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But at some point you people that I've had on it's
like I completely disagree, thatdoesn't get better.
And my cliche statement withthat is whatever you, whatever
you believe and whatever you say, even out loud or to yourself,
and that's going to be it.
And if you're not going to, ifyou're going to say it's not
going to get better, it's nevergoing to get better and it's not
.
That's just truly how I feeland I just, I implore people
just to at least put a maybe inthere.
(11:01):
You don't have to be so amatter of fact, like it's going
to get better, like I.
I believe, even if you justthrow a little bit of a maybe in
there, give yourself a littlewiggle room, no matter what, how
low the percentage you mightseem it is, it's just possible.
I've seen it too many times.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I say when I see people get stuck in that way
yeah, so much, and do you,though, obviously, are talking
about it.
So you know, they're obviouslygetting to a certain place with
that.
But even with Gary, when he wason Gary Sinise, he said I guess
he didn't start talking aboutit until he was involved in
something else for the warriors,I guess for the military, and I
(11:36):
guess then he started tellinghis story.
So there must be.
But what's weird is that, youknow, here you have a guy that's
you know, very much in thepublic's eye and I think it's a,
it's a great that that he istelling the starters.
I was really surprised to seehim tell the story on your show,
cause a lot of times, you know,those type of people don't tell
it, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, and I asked him that and if I'm watching the
episodes, I don't butcher it.
But at the same time, it wassomething along the lines of
when he got, I think he did aninterview on people with people
for the first time and you know,I think my episode is one of
only few he's done so far.
But he just realized the effectthat it has on people by
sharing stories and I think herelated it to his work with the
veterans in regards to themtalking about it and putting it
(12:17):
out there, and he felt a similarmission in regards to doing the
same.
And you know, just from thatepisode being out there and the
response it had, it's it's proofof that and it's proof of the
power that you can have bysharing stories because, again,
as you mentioned earlier, it'sthere's the same death
experience in many ways, likethe way people can die can be
the same, or the people you lose.
You lose a father, brother,this, that and the other but
(12:39):
every story is so unique.
I could talk to a millionpeople who lost their father and
every story is going to bedifferent because it's such a
different experience foreveryone.
And with that is the beauty,because you could find
similarities, you could findthings you relate to, and you
could also find things that younever thought of.
You could find things thatdon't relate to you.
But even in the non-relatingaspects of a conversation, it
gets you thinking.
It gets you exploring a littledeeper about your own experience
(13:00):
, and I think that's a big partof it is is is facing it, is
going through it, and facing itwas one thing that I did growing
up.
I was doing something calledexposure therapy.
I didn't even know what thehell that was until eight months
ago.
I was constantly watching thefootage over and over again,
like a lunatic.
I thought something was wrongwith me, like why am I keep
watching?
I keep watching it, oh, everyangle.
Try to find new footage, watchthat day over and over again,
(13:21):
whatever I could find.
I just kept watching it andpart of me was trying to get
emotions out.
I wanted to cry.
I wanted to make myself cry.
Maybe I wasn't crying enough andI put myself there and I think
there could have been a thinline of doing it too much, but I
feel like I accidentally putmyself in a place which was
(13:42):
exposure therapy, of puttingmyself where the trauma was,
facing it, seeing it for what itwas and giving my own meaning
to it.
And I think there's some powerto jumping into the fire, if
you're not already just in thefire, without asking, inherently
with grief.
But there's something aboutfacing it and whatever way that
means.
It could be this way, it couldbe that way, but there is a
power to facing it but notstaying there.
There could be a limit to that,but at the same time, facing it
at some point opens doors forthe rest of your life yeah, do
(14:03):
you think there's all?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
maybe also there's a.
You get a numbing effect in away if you keep watching the
same thing.
Is that?
Maybe is that part of it too,where you're just kind of you're
so.
You've seen it so many timesthat maybe it doesn't that way.
When you're in a bar somewhereor you're out somewhere and you
see the footage, it doesn'taffect you the same way as it
used to yeah, I, I mean I'mpretty sure that happens with
doctors constantly when theyconstantly deal with patients
(14:26):
that are dying.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's a numbing effect to it.
So I don't know.
That's something that whoever'slistening has got to check in
with themselves and determinewhat that is.
Yeah, I'm sure there's adesensitization to it.
Whether that's healthy or not,I don't know, but in my case it
was doing it to feelings outthere and to try to understand
it.
I think, in particular my caseit was just so absurd like nine,
(14:49):
11 for so many people ingeneral, as it's so absurd in
the way that it went down andwhat it is, even to date, I'm
like, does it feels like a movie?
It doesn't feel like somethinglike that can even happen.
But then when some that taughtme a lesson early too is the
fact that not only my dad diedat 12, it's the way that he died
I was like, oh, this happens.
As crazy as this is, someonecan even write this in hollywood
(15:09):
this happens.
And it just made me expect theunexpected and I never took it
as a victim mentality.
I never really asked at least Idon't recollect asking why me,
how could this happen?
It's never that question.
It's like, oh no, this happens.
And then now what and now what.
That's just really how I'veseen it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it was definitely.
You know how many 3,200 people,or there's only 3,200 people
that experienced, I think, thatday.
I think that's how many peoplepassed that day.
I'm not sure exactly the number, but I know it was in that
realm.
But that was the most uniqueway of death really was was nine
(15:47):
, 11.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, One of them.
I mean, you know a lot hashappened in history, but that
was definitely a.
It's definitely a staple, ifyou will.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Unbelievable.
Hopefully never again.
Yeah, we never again.
That's that's what I know whythey say that yeah.
So the other thing too is ishave you interviewed or talked
to anybody else that had a lovedone or family member in in the
towers or in 9-11, in the 9-11situation?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
not on the podcast.
I've connected a bunch ofpeople.
I'm kind of in a little laggingright now but I was planning on
getting a few episodes withpeople in my similar situation
or knew someone personally with9-11.
So I haven't anyone on theepisode, uh, just people that
have been have been related toit.
I've had brian clark on, whosurvived that day.
I have an episode that'sdropping in a couple weeks with
michael hinkson, who survivedthat day too and he's blind.
(16:37):
Uh, neil degrasse tyson was aninteresting one so again it
wasn't personal, but he wasthere downtown when it happened,
so he got a different look athim for his experience being
there.
So a lot of these conversationsagain, it's kind of related to
my experience of trying to findnew footage and see it in a
different way, where it was anew exploratory way of me
getting different angles fromthat day and other vantage
points and opened up differentfeelings in my in my way that I
(16:59):
didn't think I would feel so far, so far down the road.
So I yeah no, I haven't spokento anyone on the show, but I've
definitely spoken to people offthe record about it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, very, very interesting.
I had some questions about justsome of the people that come on
, like the near death experience.
I mean, you hear about thisstuff uh very often.
You know you'll hear differentstories and I've always kind of
heard kind of a commonalitybetween those stories.
Have you had people on likethat and I think you have cause.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I kind of breezed through some of your videos and
do you find it's that commontype story that you hear?
There's commonalities and a lotof differences, and people
focus on the differences thattend to not believe it, from
what I'm gathering.
I'm not speaking in such ageneral term to assume what
everyone feels, but yeah,there's definitely consistencies
and I'll tap into why.
I think the differences makesense to me at the same time.
First and foremost, the mainconsistency to me, to say it in
(17:54):
layman's terms, like it's allgoing to be good, like based on
all these experiences, whetheryou believe them or not.
I personally believe them, eventhough there's some swindlers
in every aspect of life, ofcourse, but just inherently,
with near death experiences, Ibelieve them and the commonality
is that it's all good.
And on the other side, if youwill, is just incomprehensibly
loving and euphoria and afeeling that I think, just in
(18:15):
these bodies, we just won't beable to comprehend, at least to
date.
So, ultimately, everything isgoing to be good and they're all
talking about some overwhelmingfeeling of love.
It's like this, like thecreator, god, whatever you want
to call it.
Source is this feeling thatthat these people have never
gotten on earth and it'ssomething that they seem to
chase, and also there seems tobe a little bit of a hangover at
(18:35):
some point when you come back.
My mom had an experience whichkind of relates to that.
She had her own near-deathexperience.
But I think outside of that, alot of consistency I've also
heard is choosing this life,which is a whole nother rabbit
hole, a conversation whether totake it however you please,
choosing a life that we'reexperiencing now which makes
people angry in some capacitybecause they don't understand
(18:56):
why they would choose some ofthe horrible things that happens
on this earth.
But it makes sense to me, if Itry to come up with a theory
that I resonate with.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's go back.
I'd like to talk about thisChoosing your life Is that?
Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that's what I've heard over and over again.
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Very interesting.
Yeah, let's go man, you openedit up.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I don't want this to be a four hour podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
How much time you got .
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I'm good, I'm on your time right now.
But, yeah, no, essentially, asas I'm saying it, they're saying
we, we chose this path.
Uh, maybe not in certaindetails, as certain things go,
cause it's a blend of free willand the decisions we make, but
from my understanding, it'schoosing this life, like
choosing the people in our life,like our parents, uh, choosing
where we're born and certainevents that'll happen.
(19:43):
I'm just not sure how specific.
I think it's more the way Ithink about it.
If I'd understood it, it'salmost like you get this weird
ass iPad, ipad, uh, and whereverwe are, and you're kind of
swiping through and saying, oh,david's going to experience deep
grief, he's going to have to dothis, you're gonna have to do
that.
That sounds interesting, causein my past life I never
experienced that but it out.
And so that is what they'resaying we chose.
(20:08):
And if say that's true, you cango in two ways.
In my opinion, it's like whythe hell would I choose this?
I'm miserable right now.
This is ridiculous, you idiot,or it's okay, I chose this.
There must be a reason behindit.
Right, take and pick.
There's other options inregards to that, but long story
short, it's potentially a lifethat we and a lot of people get
(20:28):
pissed off again at.
But why is there murder andstarvation and all this stuff?
And that's something that Idon't know.
We want to go down that pathbecause it's hard to understand,
but there just seems to be abigger reason.
There just seems to besomething so much bigger than
what we can comprehend unlessyou've had these experiences.
That's what I'm gathering fromit.
But, real quick, the differencesis what I think confuses people
(20:49):
, because there's so manydifferent segues in regards to
these stories, like the, thebeginning of the near death
experience or whatever happensfirst, that buffer zone, if you
will.
That seems to be reallydifferent.
You see different things, youexperience different things,
which is why a lot of people saywell, if it, if this is true,
(21:10):
how come they're notexperiencing the same thing?
And for what I've heard from Iforget which guests and also my
own calculations is you see,what you have to see that makes
the most sense to you on earth.
So it's almost like a a smoothtransition to get to that other
side.
Maybe, after a certain point,yeah, you start seeing and
experiencing the same things.
But that buffer zone, thattransitionary period, almost has
to be different because itmight be too shocking just to go
to the other side.
So, to my head, it's like atrailer to a movie where you're
(21:32):
going to see things that makeyou feel comfortable, that
relate to you, whether it'ssports, animals, this that
colors, people that you love.
It's just a transitionaryperiod and, from my
understanding, that might be whyit's so different for everyone.
Through that tunnel, if youwill, in order to kind of give
us a smooth transition towhatever's coming next.
Well, it could beinterpretation, for sure.
Yeah, I think maybe it's a lotof that too.
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
No, but, but you bring up good, good, uh,
possibilities, good, um, thingsthat could, could be happening.
And I think a lot of timesinterpretation it also has to do
with you know, your brain isstill at that point, your spirit
is functioning in that heightmoment and it's all about what,
how you see it.
You know, and the one thing thatI've heard a couple of times is
recently I've heard a lot ofthis when people is that they
(22:16):
see family members that arethere to greet them, to kind of
take them, you know, over andI've had being in real estate,
I've dealt with a good amount ofestates and trusts and things
like that, and unfortunately,sometimes I'm meeting with the,
the families, after somebody hadjust passed and we'll talk
about those last moments and alot of times they'll actually
(22:39):
like the people are just aboutready to to check out.
They'll kind of sit up andthey'll be like, oh my God,
uncle Johnny's right behind you,you know, and Uncle Johnny's
been gone forever and for a longtime, and it's like they're
there, like they're looking atthem in their eyes, you know.
So those are the things youhear too that are really, really
(23:01):
interesting.
So do you hear those storiesabout.
You know persons above them, orthere's bright lights or
there's somebody in the roomwith them, those kinds of things
.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, all the time.
I mean again my, we can.
Depending on the time of theshow, I can tap into what my mom
experienced, because that wasthe most personal experience
that I've had.
That I knew wasn't someonebatshit crazy telling me
something, it was the hospicenurses.
So that's something that isjust in the curriculum.
That's something thatconstantly happens with hospice
nurses.
(23:31):
They vision happens with hospicenurses is they vision the
client's vision and then theyexperience seeing deceased loved
ones and, as from myunderstanding and what I've
heard from very popular nursesthat have had in the show,
they're talking about how, whenthey have these deathbed visions
, it's usually a sign thatthey're about to they might be
dying soon.
Whether it's weeks or days, Idon't know, but it's something
that happens.
That they don't have a hardunderstanding and they
completely rule out lack ofoxygen, morphine they're not
saying it's any of that.
Sure, other situations I cancause that perhaps, I'm sure,
but all these potentialvariables that could cause that
(23:53):
seem to be ruled out and theyconstantly see this and they're
ready to handle it becausethey're expected to see it.
And so when you start seeing itin hospitals or hospice nurses
that are there on the forefrontand they're having these
experiences that are most of thetime very peaceful and giving
them a smooth transition out.
It's hard to argue and yeah, Imean I don't know when it
happened so many times it'salways deceased loved ones.
(24:14):
It's not a hallucination ofsomeone who's already alive.
It's always deceased loved ones.
So at some point, whether it'sgoing to survive in the court of
law or not, it's got to raisequestions.
Okay, what are we missing here?
Or maybe you could just acceptit as is.
Like this happens and it's upto you to believe what's what,
but this happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, which makes you feel comfortable, though, like
you said, these stories likethat make you feel comfortable,
in that the fact that everydeath is just so unknown,
there's nobody that can just saythis is exactly what happens,
this is exactly how it's goingto go, and that's pretty wild.
Also, if you're looking andyou're talking to different
nurses and hospice peopleanybody that does hospice, god
(24:54):
bless them.
Seriously, I don't understandhow you can do that.
I could never do it myself, butthey're special people.
But if they're all telling thesame stories from all over the
world, it's not like there's aconvention where they get
together and say, well, this iswhat we're going to say, we're
going to say this, and then thatway we're all on the same page.
You know what I mean.
So it's, it's happening.
(25:16):
These things are.
These are real.
We don't know why, but they'rereal.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And that's the same time it was everyone just
getting together just makingthis shit up, and there's plenty
of stories that have documentedevidence of the experiences
happening.
So at some point, when you hearso many stories and a lot of
people that dismiss it, I'm likeI don't even know if you're
really just looking into it alittle bit just to explore the
(25:42):
idea again.
Say, maybe, and there's justtoo much, and I've had too many
people on my show explainingthings.
I've read too much, watched toomany videos and have personal
experiences that just make melike I keep like a small
percentage open.
I'm very like 99 this, but Idon't know yeah so at the same
time, I've just heard too muchthat it's like.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
This seems very possible yeah, and you're
talking to all people that havebeen around it.
So what?
So?
What have you?
What's the biggest thing thatyou've learned through this?
Like, as a host of of dead talktalks, yeah, um, what have you
learned?
Like, is there, is theresomething you're like?
Wow, this just blows my mind,cause I'd never really realized
(26:21):
this, or I didn't realize this.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I mean it's opened my mind in regards to just
contemplation with the afterlifeand what happens.
That was a big one in regardsto just opening doors or things
I didn't even know were eventheories or experiences that
happened.
I didn't get into near deathexperience until I started
talking about on the show.
I didn't really know much aboutit, but this might sound
general, but these conversationsabout death are essentially
conversations about life.
(26:45):
So people ask me a lot of timeoh, this must be so healthy for
you, for your own grief.
I'm like, yeah, it's helped mefor sure.
But I'm also 20 plus years downthe line, so I've gone through
a lot.
But at the same time I'verealized these experiences about
grief and what you go throughwith death and whatnot.
It applies, it's so applicable,to everything we go through in
(27:05):
life.
So it's really helped me withjust my compassion with other
people, because I've heard somany stories about what they've
gone through and on paper italways seems so much worse than
what I've gone through and seethese stories of healing and
perseverance.
So it just made me.
It made me relax and all thesestories just made me relax
because you're not alone.
The hardest thing you've evergone through is the hardest
thing you've ever gone through,because you're not alone.
The hardest thing you've evergone through is the hardest
(27:26):
thing you've ever gone through.
But at the same time,witnessing these stories of
perseverance and healing anddifferent perspectives just make
me carry myself through life ina totally different way.
I take things less seriously now, but not in a desensitized way.
It's just thinking of thepossibility that we continue on.
I feel very confident aboutthat.
It just makes me take a breath,Like you know what it's, it's
(27:48):
going to be okay.
I don't care what the hellhappens to me.
It could be the worst thing onthe world.
In my head I'm like, well, it'sgoing to end at some point.
I'm going to die.
So it's, I end at some point.
It's not going to be perpetualno-transcript going through
(28:14):
really and not to just not totake it down.
It means nothing because I knowI'm now thinking about what
they've gone through, withoutknowing what they've gone
through, and it's just trying tosee my lens of light through
the lens of others, and thismade me more patient.
(28:35):
It's made me more compassionateand a little slower to get
frustrated with other people.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, that's interesting, very cool.
Very cool.
What do you find, and we'regoing to wrap this up soon.
Very cool, what do you find andwe're going to wrap this up
soon.
But what do you find to be?
Do you think that people have aharder time with quick death,
unknown or slower death, dieslower, dying over time?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I don't know, you gotta ask the peanut gallery,
but for my conversations it's.
Uh, they both suck yeah, theyboth suck they both suck.
But at the same time it's justso different because you know
you you're watching someone die,which you're starting, you're
seeing them.
You're seeing them in a waythat isn't representable of who
they've been their entire life,because you're seeing them
suffer.
But also you have a chance tohave conversations that maybe
(29:19):
you wouldn't have had.
When someone dies in a quickway, like my dad or plenty of
other people to me, I thinkthink the pull the bandaid off
might be.
If I had to pick between shitand a shit croissant, I'd
probably take the quick one.
But at the same time, you know,then you're not going to have
an opportunity to maybe saythings you wanted to say.
(29:39):
But then to me my mentality isthat's what, that notion that
people can just disappear in asecond.
It's like, okay, I got to saywhat I got to say now, I got to
do what I got to do now.
Disappear in a second.
It's like, okay, I gotta saywhat I gotta say now, I gotta do
what I gotta do now, not in arushed way, but taking an
opportunity of what's in my liferight now.
So if someone does get takenaway in a quick, abrupt manner,
then you're not holding on toanything and then you're not
going to have that thatdangerous regret feeling.
(30:00):
Even though I think it's, I tryto, I don't really hang on to
the word regret, because you canonly make the best decisions
you can in the moment.
Yeah, you can be like, oh, Ishould have done this, should
have done that, I should havespent more time.
Well, that's part of theprocess, it's part of figuring
this shit out.
It's just you can't.
It's like hindsight is 20-20for a reason.
It's much easier looking backthen, but watching someone die
is just a terrible thing.
But I've also seen so manypeople that have made the most
(30:23):
of those situations.
Granted, they wish they did itearlier, but they're able to
have a little bit more closurebecause now they know their time
is limited, so it sucks eitherway.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think people that if you're the one not dying,
you're the one observing.
I think people that go to bedat night without any regrets can
go to sleep at night and ifsomething did happen, you would
feel okay, I was whole with that, I was good with that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think a lot of times, people that have regrets
and somebody dies suddenly, itcan really hurt them for a very,
very long time yeah, and it'salso again that perspective,
that decision is that when youinevitably do something that you
wish you did, okay, that's gone, that gone, that moment's gone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, exactly Right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
As cold as that is.
That's just that's.
I don't know what to tell you.
That's what it is.
So now it goes back to that.
Okay, now what?
What do I do with that?
How can I, how can I do itdifferently next time?
Now you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So, again.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You got to get punched in the face before you.
Someone swings at you next andyou can just be more prepared.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I agree with you a hundred percent.
So is there anything else thatyou wanted to talk about before
we wrap this up?
Is there anything that you werelike?
Man, when I get on the show orwhen I talk about this stuff, I
want to make sure I get thispoint across.
Is there anything at all?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Uh, I mean, that's not really death related, but it
was funny.
I was thinking about it inregards to how you do real
estate, and that's my backgroundas well.
I was.
I forgot what came up the otherday.
I was like, oh, you know whatI've done in real estate for the
last 10, 12 years or whatnot.
Actually, I pull a lot of whatI did growing this show.
So this has nothing to do withany philosophical explanation of
what you might have expected,but I told you about in relation
(31:53):
to your real estate background.
A lot of my groundwork wasknocking on doors, picking up
the phone and just a hard groundhustle and I feel like in
regards to growing this show,which has been a better face,
the same it's kind of the sameaspect of getting guests and
reaching out to people.
I get turned down all the time,especially in the early years,
but that was my entire thingwith real estate.
Was I constantly like?
99% of the time people told meno and I got rejected, and I
(32:14):
think that was just such alesson with anything in life in
regards to what goes like ourplans, that we have and things
don't work out and people tellyou no or things are this, that
and the other.
It's like just be ready for ano, be ready for things not
going your way and when thingsdon't go your way, other doors
open up and it's like havingthat faith aspect.
I know people say hope can bedangerous.
Well, I don't.
Just you can have a little bitof hope and some faith aspect of
(32:35):
that things even though whenthey don't go the way you expect
something else is going to openup.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
They say, rejection is God's protection.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Who says that you like that.
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I don't know who told me that one at one point, but I
think it's really good.
And a light note.
I have a question for you,david.
Besides the conventional waysto dispose of one's body once
one is dead, what would be thefunniest or most interesting way
to dispose of a body besidesthe two, uh, conventional ones?
(33:06):
What would you?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
say, I mean I can, I can get weird and say funniest,
but off the rip.
The only, uh, the only one thatstands out to me the most, that
is, I think, is the wildest onethat I'm fat, I'm going to be
digging into more.
Are y'all familiar with thetibetan sky ritual, the?
What Are you?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
all familiar with the Tibetan sky ritual, the what?
The Tibetan sky ritual, no, skyburial no.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's in Tibet and they apparently chop up the body
, go to this mountain peak withmonks and whatnot and they feed
the body to the vultures.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Wow, wow, and is that ?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
considered to be like they're feeding the body back
to the earth, I guess in somecapacity, because they eat it,
they excrete it, yada, yada, andit's just some wildness that
I'm not knowledgeable to speakon beyond that.
But yeah, they feed the body tothese birds, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Man, I always thought about, you know, just putting
my body in like in a cannon,like I shoot it like a Steve-O
jackass and everything.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I don't know what the Guatemalans do, but you know I
mean this in the nicest waypossible, but now I hope you die
before me.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So you can come check it out.
Hey, I'll tell you what David.
I'll let you know when it is.
If he does and you can come out, we'll fly you out and you can
check it out.
Put me on the newsletter I'mgoing to parachute in my, in my
feet put a parachute on my feet.
Oh my gosh.
No, that's, that's amazing.
Well, thanks so much for comingon the show.
The best thing, I think, is forpeople to check you out It'd be
(34:23):
Instagram, I think, right now,and also you have your own
website too, right?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, yeah.
If you just Google Dead Talkstwo words, it should pop up.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Whatever platform you're most comfortable with.
If you type in Dead Talks, itcomes up right away.
There's not many shows that areclose to that, but that's
awesome.
And then also for instagram,it's dead talk podcast.
So it's just instagramcombackslash dead talks podcast.
So thanks for coming on, man.
I appreciate it and, uh, keepdoing what you're doing.
Hopefully we'll have you backon again sometime.
I know you're looking into someother things to have on your
(34:55):
show, other guests, and we'dlove to hear about that.
So, yeah, that's about it.
Thanks a lot, lot.
Appreciate it, brother.
All right, hugo.
Yes, what do you think?
I think it is just time forsome reflection.
Yeah, time for some reflectionis right.
So live your life.
Live your life.
Get out there and do what youwant to do.
Don't have any regrets.
That's pretty much what I gotout of that.
(35:16):
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