February 14, 2025 • 45 mins
You guys. It's been a week. Rebecca is obsessed with Rednote. She'll be speaking fluent Mandarin in about 2 weeks. Jamie tried to watch her first episode of J*e R*gan, but gave up after 15 minutes.
It's time to delve into moral injury vs. burnout. We couldn't help but talk about the dumpster fire that is big tech, Meta's racist AI gone rogue, and DEI efforts being dismantled. Plus, we discuss how M*rk Z*ckubus is doing away with factchecking and blocking links from an IG competitor...all while giving Dark Willow from Buffy.
"The hardest thing in this world is to live in it." —Buffy
Hey, friends! We deleted our Twitter accounts and are loving it over on Bluesky, so come join us!
Mentioned in this episode (because we factcheck!):
- Twitter alternative: Bluesky
- Tiktok alternative (Chinese app): Rednote
- IG alternative: Pixelfed
- "Meta and Amazon Scale Back Diversity Initiatives" by Natalie Sherman @ BBC
- "Meta Is Blocking Links to Decentralized Instagram Competitor Pixelfed" by Jason Koebler @ 404 Media
- "I talked to Meta's black AI character. Here's what she told me." by Karen Attiah @ Washington Post
- Karen Attiah's Bluesky thread on using the above Meta AI
- The Role of Big Businesses Under the N*zis (thanks, Elyssa!)
- Escape From Incel Island book (for a laugh)
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Rebecca (00:00):
I don't think that means that.
you know, any of the othercompanies may not be just as
bad, but, at the very least, theones that we know are for sure
bad, we can just make thedecision to just not use them.
Not
Jamie (00:16):
me getting Chick fil A the other day.
I'm Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.
Hey.
Rebecca (00:31):
.Hello.
How's it going, Jamie?
Jamie (00:36):
It's just swell, Rebecca.
How, how's your week been?
Rebecca (00:39):
It's it's been a it's been a weird week.
It's been kind of a rough week.
I think we are both exhaustedand But we're here.
This is episode 11.
We're doing great.
Episode 11.
Vaguely gesturing.
Jamie (00:59):
Vaguely gesturing.
Rebecca (01:00):
Also wanted to call it Incel Island, but We went with
vaguely gesturing.
I asked you.
No, I know.
Thank you, Elyssa, by the way,for joining us last week.
If you
haven't watched that yet, please go ahead and watch
last week's episode.
It was really great.
We talked to Elyssa about, aboutjob search we had so much fun
(01:20):
and we actually have, we are inthe works getting another guest
to come on, and hopefully talkto us next week.
She quit her 9 to 9, a while agoand is now.
Recovering from years and yearsand years of just working 80
hour weeks.
We're really excited to get thatup and running.
Jamie (01:41):
Can we
Rebecca (01:42):
share
Jamie (01:42):
her name or not yet?
Rebecca (01:43):
Oh Sorry.
Madeline Madeline shores.
She's formerly at Vanguard andshe is now in Colorado and
recovering.
Jamie (01:51):
I mean, honestly, that's a good place to recover in my
opinion.
Rebecca (01:55):
she does outside things hiking and being outside.
I don't know what people dooutside, but it's one of those
things
Jamie (02:04):
I have a stupid pint glass that says, Oh, what are
those?
is it some e cards or something?
You know what I'm talking about?
And it said, I'm out.
It says I'm outdoorsy and that Ito, drink on.
Balconies or something that.
That's, that's my level ofoutdoorsy.
(02:25):
I mean, I do really love tohike.
I do really love to hike, and Ido love nature.
But I don't the crawly things innature.
Rebecca (02:33):
We were really sure what to cover this week.
I know we've both had reallylong weeks.
And so I think the news has notbeen helpful.
And so 1 of the things that wewere talking about was,
basically the entire burnout,not just from a work standpoint,
but just a, again, vaguelygesturing life news media
(02:55):
standpoint and everything that'sbeen going on.
Jamie (02:59):
I think I had texted you earlier this week.
It was probably even in themiddle of the week cause I was
fuck,, I don't know what we'regoing to do.
And I was thinking about it andeverything going on.
It was just.
I just texted you, I kind ofwant a podcast about fucking
Zuckerberg and you were yes,
Rebecca (03:17):
I can't wait.
the one good thing that has keptme going, if we're going to talk
about media is joining Red Note.
Oh my God.
No,
Jamie (03:27):
no, no, no.
I have to.
I have to explain, I have toexplain how this happened real
quick.
So Rebecca and I haven't evengotten a chance to really talk
much this week because she'sbeen really busy and bogged down
with a lot of meetings at work.
And I get on a call with her andshe's clearly honestly, you
(03:48):
guys, she's just burnt out.
She's just burnt out.
And she was miserable and shewas not happy and she was just
very blah.
And then I was oh.
I was by the way, I was did you?
'cause she's our TikTok person,all of our really cool TikTok
clips and videos, that's allRebecca.
And she's amazing and she'sreally good at it.
And I'm too old, to understand.
(04:09):
TikTok.
So, I was well, hey, have youtried RedNote?
Have you gone over to RedNote?
And she was no, I'm, I'm notgonna go over there.
And then I'm still talking toher and all of a sudden she's
what was the first thing yousaw?
What was the first video yousaw?
It was either of
Rebecca (04:25):
babies or Chinese gay people or oh, no, it was a Luigi
Mangione.
It was Luigi Mangione.
It was yes It was a Luigi standpost and it was and then it was
grats You found Chinese gay tiktok and Chinese baby tik tok And
home, beautiful homes, and nailart, and makeup, and, it was
(04:49):
great.
And sorry, not TikTok, Red Note.
Jamie (04:52):
and she was just so just externally excited, and just
loving it and living for it.,and she'd be I'm sorry, Jamie, I
can't do that right now.
I'm watching babies fall down inthe snow.
It's okay.
Tried to get her to play gameswith us last night.
Nope.
Still watching babies fall, falldown in the snow.
what else did you, honestly,cosplays?
(05:14):
that was the best.
That was really good.
Rebecca (05:16):
Luigi fine art, just these really delicate pencil
drawings of Oh, Luigi.
And they're fucking funny too.
And what's even funnier iswatching Americans realize that
China isn't Their government,their actual people there who,
you know, are people and who arefunny.
And, and also all all the, theChinese people posting me
(05:39):
welcome Americans, set down yourcowboy hats and cowboy boots and
have a hamburger.
Jamie (05:47):
Let's eat some spaghetti with a big glass of whole milk.
Did you just bite me?
I know.
that's so good.
Has anyone else ventured,ventured over to Red Note?
I'm curious if anybody haschecked it out.
Rebecca (05:58):
And so many cats, by the way.
There's just a wealth ofadorable fucking cats.
There's no corner of theinternet that is without cats.
No, but these are Chinese cats,which is different.
Okay.
one has a work badge.
I don't know what his job is,but it's a picture of a cat with
his little work badge.
I think he might be at the trainstation, I think.
(06:23):
But we'll be letting you managethat.
I thought you just meantsomebody took their cat to work.
No! No, he has a little workbadge.
I love it.
Jamie (06:30):
He didn't send me his
Rebecca (06:31):
ID just saying yes, so and then oh the chinese babies
because they're just they dressthem adults So they have these
very beautiful outfits on andthen they're just so small and
cute and just adorable I don'tknow.
They're just really cute
Jamie (06:51):
It's been great, okay?
No, I'm, no, I was thrilledbecause it was night and day.
You were just so depressed andthen, and then you were I don't
think I'm gonna try it.
And then you tried it and youwere this is everything.
My life is so much better.
Yes.
And I am legitimately learningMandarin.
I love that for you.
Rebecca will be speaking fluentMandarin in about two and a half
(07:13):
weeks.
You guys, two and a half weeks.
That's my guess.
Depends.
I'm,
Rebecca (07:17):
I am just gonna, might as well, but So, Chinese
government has my information.
Totally.
Okay.
With that.
because in return, I have notyour location, not my location.
I won't share that with them,but I have received a wealth of
joy and.
Beautiful Chinese cookingvideos.
Oh my God, the pastry isexquisite.
(07:40):
They have so many beautifulpastry videos with these fluffy
pancakes or these little thingsthat look buggies or Hello
Kitties.
Now I'm going to be hungry.
I'm sorry, but I actually amreally hungry.
But so it's just, it's been sonice.
I'm so happy.
See, even just talking about
Jamie (07:59):
that, now
Rebecca (07:59):
I'm in a better mood.
Jamie (08:00):
see?
Aw, that's all you needed.
I should have given you the rednote pep talk.
Just it's like giving a littlekid, a coloring book and
crayons.
Rebecca (08:12):
What is depressing, though, which I think might lead
us into our topic is, again, theamount of Americans being Oh my
God, they're actual people.
They're funny.
They don't live in shacks andthey have running water.
the amount of people who areflabbergasted, I'm, I'm
Jamie (08:27):
irritate.
I'm it's, I am too.
It's ridiculous that people areOh my God, Chinese people are
funny.
please stop.
Yes.
Please.
Yes.
Rebecca (08:37):
It's really, it's.
It's.
It's.
Oh, and then there was onevideo.
Holy shit.
So there's this one guy.
He's Hey, Tik Tok refugees.
Welcome.
He goes, if you really want tomake it up, if you want it, want
to make it on this app.
He's here's one sentence youneed to learn how to say in
Chinese.
And he said, he said, Taiwan isa part of China.
(09:02):
He was being funny.
The comments are Oh my God,King.
Thank you so much.
LOL.
American here.
Thank, I was Oh no, they thoughthe was serious because no one
fucking knows anything becauseAmerican public school,
American, and I'm just Oh no,the amount of people who are
(09:22):
great advice.
Thank you so much.
Was we're going to, they'regoing to ban us just based on
our stupidity alone, to betotally honest.
But it's been really actually,let's jump right into it,
because it has been a week whereeveryone is fucking exhausted
and irritated with everythingwe're seeing.
(09:43):
And when you were like, let'stalk about Zuckerberg.
Yes, fucking let's, becausenumber one,
Jamie (09:49):
so many things.
There's
Rebecca (09:50):
so many things.
I want to talk about the AI.
Meta's AI issue, and then I alsowant to talk about his recent
man ness, or whatever the fuckhe's doing, his alpha male
energy, which, by the way, Mark,it just looks you're now the
type of guy who says the n wordin all the songs when you're
(10:13):
singing along, and you say, it'spart of the song, that's the
energy you're giving off, andyou're also giving off, I am in
the middle of a divorce, becausehe said that the feminine
culture at Meta, Is neuteringthe workplace, neutering the
workplace culture, havingfeminine energy.
(10:34):
You remove the tampons from themale bathroom or the men's
bathroom, which it isn't justeven a trans rights thing.
Hamlets are fucking expensive.
Maybe you have someone whodoesn't have money to, maybe
their mom needs one.
Maybe their wife or sister needsthem.
Also, maybe they're just areally fucking nice guy who
carries one around or two in hisbag just to be a nice guy to
(10:58):
have them for his friends whomenstruate.
But I have to
Jamie (11:00):
be, I have to be honest though.
If one of my guy friends was Oh,I have a tampon if you need it.
I would be
Rebecca (11:05):
What,?
What?
Why?
I wouldn't mind if my guyfriends were here's a tampon
that that would be thank you.
Jamie (11:12):
No, it'd be weird.
Oh,
Rebecca (11:15):
okay.
Well, regardless, that's notgoing to happen anymore because
the tampons, I don't know.
The men no longer have access.
And if there are any.
Trans men.
Sometimes they still menstruateand sometimes they still need
fucking
Jamie (11:32):
And also doesn't even have to be, it doesn't even have
to be Also, it's none of your
Rebecca (11:35):
business.
It's
Jamie (11:36):
none
Rebecca (11:36):
of your business.
Jamie (11:38):
why It's none of your business.
There's just so, there's so muchgoing on too of removing,
removing great things or thingsthat Should be great and can be
great.
the DEI bullshit,
Rebecca (11:51):
which Would you to talk about the, them getting rid of
the DEI program?
Cause that's a whole notherthing.
Jamie (11:56):
I'm just so much, there's just a lot.
There's a lot, there's a lot tounpack, and what really kills
me.
And I never, I did think aboutthis when all of the big
companies, I feel just started.
Creating DEI initiatives andprograms.
(12:18):
And it feels this only happeneda few years ago.
Yes.
And it's this is literally 2020,2022, 2023.
Rebecca (12:28):
It called them outdated, our outdated DEI
Jamie (12:31):
initiative.
But I'm talking about why werethese initiatives just started a
few years ago?
You know what I mean?
That's what's fucked up.
Rebecca (12:39):
I mean, correct.
It was the whole Black LivesMatter movement.
That accelerated it.
And so the white saviors decidedto jump on that bandwagon and
now that I guess it's beenenough time.
No, they no longer have tofucking performatively do this
shit.
And now they're just well,that's, that's over with because
(13:00):
the new president is coming inand he's garbage.
So that gives us permission tofucking be garbage.
Jamie (13:05):
Well, that's why Zuck is acting I mean, well, Zuck is
acting Zuck, but also justListen, now I have to backtrack
because when we decided we weregoing to do this, I was I am
going to, I knew that Zuck wason the Joe Rogan podcast.
(13:25):
And.
I never actually don't even wantto say their names.
so I knew he was on the podcast.
Obviously, Joe
Rebecca (13:33):
R.
Jamie (13:34):
Joe R.
and Mark Z.
Jr.
Jr.
and Z.
Jr.
And Little Z.
Rebecca (13:47):
Something's fucking little.
Jamie (13:49):
Anyway, so it's basically just, I decided, so I decided I
was going to listen to it and Iwas super weird about it because
I was I'm going to open, anincognito browser and well, I
don't, I don't want, I didn'twant to be associated with it.
I didn't want to add to thenumbers.
(14:11):
I didn't want to be, you know.
I don't want overlord googs toswoop in and be Oh, this is what
you like, huh?
I know exactly what you like.
This guy next thing, you know,you're getting these
Rebecca (14:22):
incels.
Trump commemorative coins arethe Trump teddy bear on my
pillow.
You're just being served reallyspecific ads on Google.
Jamie (14:33):
So anyway, so I started, I was I'm going to listen to the
whole thing and I'm going totake notes and.
Find content for the podcast onThursday.
And, I think I listened to 15minutes of it and it was
excruciating and I just gave up.
I was I can't anymore.
I wrote down notes and it wasthree or four notes just of me
being angry.
And then the last note was Ican't do this anymore.
I quit.
(14:55):
because it was bad.
I had
Rebecca (14:56):
Black.
Jamie (14:57):
You
Rebecca (14:57):
said he had Black eyes,
Jamie (14:58):
right?
just it was dark willow y'allfrom Buffy.
and, and that's not, it wasn'tthat he did.
He does.
He has those just demon eyes.
I don't know, but okay.
Rebecca (15:12):
When you lose empathy and compassion and a conscious
and a soul.
Jamie (15:17):
but he, but that's, that's what it was on the,
podcast is he looked, he lookedlike such a buffoon and sounded
like such a buffoon because hewas very nervous and just like
scrambling to be on the rightside before the new president.
I'm so cool.
No, not that, just, He wants tobe, you know, a little red hat.
(15:41):
Dumper.
Rebecca (15:42):
Oh, no, that's what I mean.
I think he wants to be so coolto the fucking MAGA people and
to Joe.
Jamie (15:47):
And it was just, it's all, you know, you know how it
is just watching.
Rebecca (15:55):
I think I said yesterday, he gives off the
energy of a man who really wantsto call a woman a cunt and
hasn't been able to, and now hecan.
Jamie (16:04):
oh, oh, this is another note I had.
I didn't even realize.
So.
It was on YouTube, and one ofthe first comments I saw on
YouTube was, Shocking, he wasable to maintain his human form
for the duration of the show.
Oh my god.
and then he was talking aboutjust security, and keeping all
(16:27):
the metaverse, you know, safefrom hackers and everything.
And he literally said, I wish, Ididn't go back to listen to it,
I wish I had an exact quote, Ido not, but he said, we, we put
in all this effort to, make surethat, everything's safe and
secure to, protect ourselves andour users from hackers and, we,
(16:51):
how did he say it?
We haven't, we haven't had, andthen he paused and he's we
haven't had too many incidents.
And it's
Rebecca (17:03):
okay, why did you say that?
What, what, what does too manymean?
Five, seven, one.
How many is that?
Jamie (17:10):
there could have been a million, but you've only had 300
or what's the percentage?
anyway, it was God awful.
Please don't listen to it.
It's shit.
Rebecca (17:23):
And he said that they're no longer going to be
fact checking.
Mm hmm.
So many things.
Because it restricts freespeech.
As a journalist I take umbrageto that and I have a really
fucking tough time because as wejust demonstrated with the
amount of people over on rednote being oh thanks guys for
(17:44):
the Taiwan note.
We are stupid and we should befact checking.
Jamie (17:50):
And we believe everything we see.
Well by we I mean.
Yes.
Not us.
No one knows
Rebecca (17:55):
how to fucking google.
It takes two seconds to it, theydon't know how, and they just
repeat stupid shit, and now he'sjust opened the doorway.
More fucking stupid people.
Jamie (18:08):
It's just going to be easier too to just perpetuate
honestly outright lies, andespecially with him, you know,
licking dumps, I just don't wantto say the names, but dumps
(18:29):
toes, you know, and groveling.
Yes, literally we research andfact check for our jobs.
It's not a widespread skill.
Rebecca (18:37):
But this is where the moral injury comes in.
And so that's what we weretalking about is burnout versus
moral injury.
And what moral injury is, is theexhaustion of watching fucking
bad things happen around you andpeople co signing them and then
more bad things happening andpeople continuing to support the
bad things that are fuckinghappening.
It's.
(18:58):
It's a systemic thing or acultural thing.
and that's what this week hasbeen is just watching everything
around us burn down and havingto be okay, well, good luck us
on Monday.
Jamie (19:12):
It's just insane.
you just started these programsand you're they're basically
saying we think we were beingtoo unfair to the white man, the
white chaman.
So, we want to get rid of thatso that it's just fair for
everyone.
It's
Rebecca (19:31):
all men, men, men, men.
And this is the moral injurybecause there is no
understanding of what equity is.
equality, they think it needs tobe equal, and when you already
have had a leg up, it's nevergoing to be equal.
It needs to be equitable.
this is where the rage for mecomes in, and I get Black eyes,
(19:52):
because I don't understand why.
People can't fucking grasp this.
It's not hard to.
Jamie (20:00):
We were a little too quick to remove transphobic hate
speech.
Sorry, go ahead.
that's basically what it is.
Rebecca (20:06):
We just wanted to say the R word again.
Jamie (20:10):
Interesting.
Rebecca (20:10):
We're just That's our favorite.
Also, we really like callingthings gay, too.
And then you said we were dumb.
Oh, there was also That's theenergy.
Jamie (20:19):
There was also, a clip of Dump doing, an interview and
somebody asked, a reporterasked, oh my god.
A reporter asked, if Dumpthought Meta eliminated the fact
checking program because ofthreats that Trump, dump has
made to Z in the past and justimmediately dumps probably.
(20:40):
Oh probably.
And was puffing out his chestand proud of it.
He does what I tell him to do.
face bumps the reporter, youknow, face bumps, chest bumps.
Rebecca (20:48):
This is weird.
Talk masculinity, machobullshit.
Oh, they definitely touch tips.
Jamie (20:54):
Remember dick bumps?
Rebecca (20:56):
Yes.
If anyone's giving dick bumps,it's those assholes.
Jamie (21:01):
It's ridiculous.
Rebecca (21:03):
one thing that I really appreciate about Yahoo is that
they do have a robust DEIprogram.
And it's not perfect, but Imean, I mean, they do have Every
alliance to neurodivergence, toLGBTQ, they really do support
(21:27):
Those employees, I do have togive them that, they make a
really concerted effort to, todo that.
and we were hiring for interns.
A lot of our candidates camefrom, historically Black
universities and that type ofthing.
It's just, it's, it's not hardto do and watching everyone
being well, we're not going todo it is, but
Jamie (21:46):
also to have it set in place.
And it moving forward.
I mean, assuming that it'smoving forward and, and evolving
and, and then to just say, Nope,we're done.
We're done with cheating peopleequally.
(22:08):
We're done with, You know, I
Rebecca (22:10):
just, it's the, don't be a bunch of pussies argument.
Oh, you guys are just being abunch of pussies.
It is the exhaustion of watchingall this bad shit happen around
us.
and everyone supporting it andno one in power who has any type
(22:30):
of platform going what, what theactual fuck you guys, what the
fuck?
I just, I,
Jamie (22:44):
it's, it's hard because my split, my instant split
reaction is always Honestly,shock and awe for half a second
when things this happen.
But we're not surprised.
Nobody's surprised.
Rebecca (22:58):
It's upsetting, but not surprising.
Jamie (23:02):
I was trying to think what else we were talking about
with the DEI.
Rebecca (23:06):
so I want to talk about the AI program.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
So Meta came out with an AI,right?
Jamie (23:12):
You just, I'm sorry, you just prepared to do something
athletic.
You were like, all right,
Rebecca (23:19):
but they had an AI and the personality of it was a
Black queer woman, right?
The journalist, there's, I wantto make sure I get the
journalist's names.
Right.
so Do you have it on you?
It's the link I sent you.
Jamie (23:38):
Karen Atia?
I'm gonna just send it.
I'll just post the link.
Rebecca (23:42):
Well, thanks.
Thank you.
So, She, She went and wastalking to the AI.
So the journalist who's alsoBlack was talking to this AI and
she's like, so how do youcelebrate your culture?
And she's like, we love friedchicken and collard greens on
Juneteenth and the journalistwas like, okay.
cool.
so, Who are you modeled after?
(24:04):
Gloria Pritchett from modernfamily, a sassy, straight Latino
woman who was an immigrant.
And she's like, so who developedyou?
And the AI was answering the, Iwas like, um, a bunch of white
guys, one lady and one Asianguy.
And then she was like, but alsothis Asian girl, she's to blame
for a lot of this.
(24:25):
And like, she didn't really do agood job making me.
so they should be doing better.
And the whole conversation, youreally should go to the link
that we just dropped and we'llactually add to the show notes
because it is worth a read.
It is just harassing,
Jamie (24:40):
but I think you can get a free read if you just Give your
email to the man.
Rebecca (24:44):
Also, there is.
the blue sky, the blue skyscript thread has the entire
combo in the so.
But it's also with And so thenshe was comparing what the AI
had told her versus anotherjournalist and who was white.
And the AI basically said, I'mlooking for words like heritage
and culture..
And that indicates to me thatyou're not white.
(25:05):
So
Jamie (25:06):
what, what was it was like white people use words
like, what was it tradition andcommunity?
Rebecca (25:12):
really uptight waspy words, which, which is just so,
Jamie (25:17):
it
Rebecca (25:18):
was distressing to read.
And then, what was the one otherthing she said, and she's like,
well, then you told this guythat you're part Italian.
And I was like, oops, tee hee, Ilied.
But now that you've been talkingto me, Black lady, I have
remembered that I am also aBlack lady.
It was, I wish I was making thisup.
(25:39):
You have to read the wholethread.
I'm It was almost everything Ijust said verbatim.
And then the journalist finallytold the AI that she was a
journalist and the AI got realcunty.
Jamie (25:49):
Oh my god, that was my favorite part.
My favorite part was the veryend.
Can I talk about that?
I
Rebecca (25:55):
have to pull this up and read it because do you have,
if you have it
Jamie (25:58):
on you, please read it.
Otherwise.
Yes, go ahead.
This might not be what you'retalking about, but I'm talking
about the very end because Iwant to read it.
Okay.
How I heard it in my head, whenI read it the first time, this
is exactly how I heard it.
So Liv is the AI, right?
So Liv said, They'll likelytremble sending mail to a
(26:20):
Washington Post journalist whojust schooled their creation on
representation and bias.
Do you think the story will makeheadlines?
Flawed AI confronts bias withhelp from fearless journalists.
And then Karen goes, goodbye.
That's it.
She just said goodbye.
And then Liv goes, Until Dr.
Kim's team faces yourpenetrating questions, farewell
(26:42):
for now.
May my next iteration be worthyof your intellect and activism.
And it just sounded so bitchy tome.
And like, to me, it wasliterally just like, I'm mocking
you for being a journalist.
Rebecca (26:55):
And I am racist.
Like a fucking white guy'sresponse.
So that's the thing.
it could not have sounded morelike some small dicked toxic
masculine.
Asshole white guy responding oh,look at the little journalist
and your little journalistnotebook.
Look at me.
I write for the paper.
Was just And then so thisreporter reported on it and made
us like, never mind, we're justthey delete the whole thing.
(27:17):
They're like, they didn't try tomake it better.
They didn't try to be like, youknow what?
This is a learning lesson for usand we really should bring in
more people of color.
you know some, you know who areinterested in stem and have a
More diverse group of nothing,nothing.
They're just like, fuck it.
Delete it.
Well, they just
Jamie (27:33):
did the opposite by just negating the DEI programs and
initiatives.
Rebecca (27:41):
That's what I mean.
Do you know how much goodwillyou could have bought yourself
by just being you know what,this is a lesson for us.
If you just, as Sheryl Sandbergsays, leaned into it.
If you just leaned into it andlike, you know what, we have
heard you and we're actuallygoing to make an effort to
improve our DEI, to improve ourAI so that there is more
(28:02):
representation here.
Nope, they're just like, fuckit.
I don't want to do it anymore.
Jamie (28:09):
That's what I was going to say too, is Amazon is another
one who's doing that.
And Amazon was the one,remember, that was like, uh.
Um, we're going to, they calledthe policies outdated.
They're like, these policies areoutdated, so we're just going to
throw them out.
We're going to toss them out.
Rebecca (28:29):
These less than four year old policies.
Jamie (28:32):
Fuck them.
So I, yeah, I know I'm laughing.
You guys like the, this is veryserious.
I just, that's my reactionbecause otherwise I would just
be crying and screaming andkicking.
Rebecca (28:51):
It is exhausting.
It's exhausting.
It's Oh, and then there wasthat, when talking about
RedNote, TechCrunch justreleased an article being like,
what's up pussies?
Going to RedNote's not going sogreat, is it?
Saw that.
Because there's this, there'sthis weird media propaganda
where it's just like, I mean,they're not real people, the
(29:12):
Chinese, they're still superbad.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?
What are you talking about?
It's actually going really greatand is super fun.
But, It is just this pervasivewhite supremacy patriarchal
horseshit that keeps happening.
And again, I recognize I am awhite lady.
(29:36):
But like, there are people Ilove and care about who this
affects.
Greatly.
Yes, white.
White.
That's, that's our culturalpronunciation of it.
Is you have to make that it
Jamie (29:49):
stems from the German.
I hate everything.
Rebecca (29:56):
And I feel I'm lecturing, but it's really just
that draining exhaustion andbeing afraid for the people you
love and feeling helpless.
Jamie (30:04):
I'm sitting with everybody.
I didn't mean
Rebecca (30:05):
to bring it.
No, I didn't mean to bring itdown, but.
Oh, you didn't bring it down.
What are you talking about?
It's, it has just been reallydifficult to watch the people I
care about and love get put moreand more in danger and their
opportunities get smaller andsmaller and the world gets
smaller and minor.
By billionaires in power.
(30:26):
Ooh, yep.
Yes.
Elyssa just posted a link.
again, we'll also include thisin the show notes, but it's the
Holocaust explained and the rolethat business business had in
the Holocaust.
yes, you got Volkswagen.
You had Chanel's was asupportive Nazis.
You had Hugo Boss.
so there are, that are stillaround today, multiple brands
(30:49):
that came out of Nazi occupiedGermany.
Jamie (30:55):
and that's just like, and it's scary, but it's trying to
position themselves.
I feel scared.
I'm not.
I've been pretty numb, eversince the election, I would say.
Guys, there's cat haireverywhere.
Rebecca (31:14):
I watched you keep trying to pick it out of your
lip.
I know it's actually, that's thefeeling of this week.
The feeling of this week ishaving lip gloss on and hair on
your lips and you can't get thathair off.
That is how I felt all week.
It's just that agitated,anxious.
There's something there and youcan't fix it.
Jamie (31:30):
they literally wanted fascism because fascists Yes.
Take away workers rights, etc.
Humans have been goofy goobersfor as long as we've existed.
We just now have better ways ofsharing our cultural silly
things.
I mean, goofy goobers is quitean understatement, my dear.
Rebecca (31:54):
My favorite thing is women who wear hijab putting
hijab on cats.
there are tons of videos outthere of them putting hijabs on
their pets, and it isdelightful.
And that's It sounds stupid, butthat's a, that's a thing of just
like, we now have a way to sharethe goofy shit that we do in our
cultures that actually likedraws us together.
And to have the government go,actually, we really don't want
(32:16):
you to do that.
We want you to stay isolated andnot know anything about anyone
else except for Marika.
That's, that's how it feels.
And here I am.
I know I'm not saying anythingnew.
And I feel I just, I know I'mnot saying anything new.
I know I'm not saying anythingthat people don't already know.
But, That existential dread hasjust, I, it has gotten worse and
(32:37):
worse.
Jamie (32:40):
And here I am just trying to, buy a baby, a baby swaddle
for my cat to put him in it.
So
Rebecca (32:50):
I it's, it's essentially a way to keep the
classes separate, to keep usfighting against each other
instead of turning you know, ourgaze where it needs to be, which
is on the people who are inpower.
We just continue to infightamong ourselves over petty
(33:10):
stupid shit.
It doesn't matter.
Yep.
It's just exhausting.
It's exhausting.
Again, I know I'm not sayinganything new, but it is just
sad.
And disheartening.
Even with, uh, well, that's ourtime,
Jamie (33:31):
guys, have a great rest of the chance.
Well, I know we've left you witha lot to think about and cry
over and agonize over.
Rebecca (33:43):
Oh, there was the other thing meta is blocking links to
a decentralized competitor onInstagram.
Can you talk about that?
Because again, I think thatreally makes the point of like,
they are trying to keep usstupid and isolated and
unknowing.
Jamie (33:59):
I don't know a whole lot about it, but they started
blocking links to, thedecentralized.
Competitor pixel fed.
I can also share that link.
I guess if
Rebecca (34:08):
anybody's killed already else.
So do you see what we're doingis we are sharing links to what
we're talking about.
So you can read it yourself andalso fucking fact check.
Fact check us.
That's how that works.
Jamie (34:21):
but pixel fed is like open source and it's completely
community funded and, They werebeing just like deleted.
And it was saying this goesagainst our community standards
on spam.
that's such bullshit.
That
Rebecca (34:37):
the fact that that truth is spam.
Jamie (34:40):
it's just, but I think the biggest thing I wanted to
point out was I know just tolike give people alternatives.
Listen, you guys know that we'reon Instagram, we're technically
on Twitter, but I've been tryingto, first of all, I'm not on
Twitter.
We have auto stuff going toburnout collective Twitter, I
(35:02):
think.
And I've pretty much replacedevery single Twitter link
anywhere, almost anywhere Ithink, with Blue Sky.
But if you're looking foroptions, I know it's hard.
It was really hard.
I didn't quit Twitter untilpretty recently.
I feel like it was in Q3, Q4 oflast year.
(35:23):
because that was so hard for mebecause Twitter was a place
where, sit down, Twitter was aplace that, like it was my
favorite social media.
And, I met some really awesomepeople on Twitter, you know,
back in like 2010, 2011.
(35:47):
And that was just my socialmedia of choice.
And it was perfect for me, justbite sized, just, you know, shit
posting, just sharing these likerandom thoughts that I think are
funny or, that I think somebodyelse might resonate with
somebody else that I know thatwas in my feed and it's not that
anymore.
So like I had a lot of, I had alot of followers.
(36:09):
I had a big community onTwitter.
So it was really difficult forme to leave, even though I was I
have to leave.
I didn't delete my account yet.
And I think I need to do that,but it is really hard.
But my first step was just notusing it anymore.
and not going there anymore.
And If you're looking foralternatives, blue sky.
(36:31):
We're on blue sky.
I'm on blue sky.
Rebecca needs to fucking get onBlue sky.
I will not you, I
Rebecca (36:38):
won't get on Blue sky.
Do it.
Get on blue sky.
I won't.
There is nothing we have to sayin any other capacity besides
this fucking podcast that isinteresting enough or witty
enough that someone else hasn'talready said.
There's just,
Jamie (36:54):
but I'm on there and I'm lonely.
I
Rebecca (36:56):
know you are, but I talk to you on the phone every
day.
Do you?
Almost every You know what Imean.
I don't need I'm not a fuckingblues guy.
I have enough shit to Okay.
Jamie (37:11):
I'll make you, I'll make you an account.
Thank you.
Okay.
No, you don't have to.
Thank you.
I just wanted to share witheverybody, the alternatives.
So there's Blue Sky, obviouslyfor Twitter, Pixel Fed for IG,
definitely have not made thejump from IG yet.
That's going to be hard.
And then Red Note for TikTok.
(37:33):
So
Rebecca (37:33):
That's the hard part is that all our shit is just run by
monsters.
Jamie (37:38):
Why are
Rebecca (37:39):
you And actually it's really funny because Elyssa,
talking to Elyssa last week andhow she said she's become more
conscious of what companies sheis, you know, choosing to use.
And I think this is your moneyto this is a very easy thing
that you could just be like, youknow what?
I'm going to be getting off ofInstagram.
I'm going to be getting off ofFacebook.
(37:59):
I don't think that means that.
you know, any of the othercompanies may not be just as
bad, but, at the very least, theones that we know are for sure
bad, we can just make thedecision to just not use them.
Not
Jamie (38:15):
me getting Chick fil A the other day.
I'm feeling guilty about it.
I'm actually pissed.
Chick fil A is
Rebecca (38:22):
so gross.
Jamie (38:23):
I, well, no, I don't know who turned me on to Chick fil A
mac and cheese.
Honestly, it's not even aboutthe mac and cheese, Rebecca.
You know what it's about?
The, frost.
The frozen lemonade.
The frosted lemonade.
I should just buy from Rita's, Idunno.
R'S Readers.
It's the same
Rebecca (38:42):
thing.
Readers.
Readers, Rita's Water.
Ice.
It's Rita's Rita's.
Water, ice, water, ice.
Rita probably voted for Trump.
She would never.
She would absolutely never dothat.
Jamie (38:56):
I love everything Rebecca is doing.
Rebecca (39:00):
Well, Elyssa is the one, Elyssa, you're the one who,
who actually put that out thereinto the world and made us take
that into consideration and doit.
That's why we're like, literallyyou inspire us every day.
And again, just saying it outloud, for any of you assholes, I
realize two white girls leavingFacebook is not going to change
the fucking world, but also
Jamie (39:22):
I wish I could leave Facebook, but I haven't been on
it in forever.
I'm just not there.
My, I, the, I don't even knowwhy I'm on anymore.
I don't like anybody.
That's true.
You just don't like anybody.
Rebecca (39:39):
I don't.
I think I think that's justgonna have to happen.
Because here's the thing, if weare trying to do better or
change things or put our energyinto doing something good or
letting people up, you can'thave the succubus of like shit
companies and shit social media.
The Zuckubus, if you
will.
Oh my god, that was so good.
(40:02):
Jamie.
Thank you.
Oh my god, Jamie.
I'm so proud of you.
That was amazing.
So the Zuccubus.
So having the, having theemotional capital to keep doing
this and keep pushing and keepdoing whatever you can, It's
going to, we're just going tohave to move to different
(40:24):
platforms where we can kind ofbe with people who are also
energized and wanting to do thesame thing, which, by the way,
is what we're trying to do withthe burnout collective.
And we have a discord.
If you haven't joined it yet,please join our discord where
you can meet minded people whoare here to talk with community,
share your art, share your work,look for jobs.
Jamie (40:43):
Vegan.
Yours is discord now, so mine'svegan.
Rebecca (40:49):
Fine.
Decord.
Nope, that's not even good.
E word?
No.
Whatever.
Join fucking Discord if youhaven't already.
Again, you can't, you can'tbuild a community of people if
you don't have a place for themto go.
So that's, we're small, butwe're trying and we want to do
something good with ourcommunity.
(41:11):
what we're doing.
Thank you guys for listening tous and letting us kind of out.
It's been a, it's been a roughweek.
Again, we are just.
We're not sure where to go fromhere.
We're not sure what to do.
We are concerned and we love ourfriends.
and I think it's just, it's justbeen a draining kind of week.
(41:31):
we really appreciate you guysall being here and and thank you
to everybody who is supportingus, by going to Spotify and
Apple podcasts and everythingelse.
really appreciate it.
we just want to keep, nurturing,well, I don't like that I said
nurturing, we just want to keep,not like, I'm like fostering and
I'm like, no, all of this isbad.
(41:52):
just encourage being a welcomingplace
Jamie (41:54):
the community is first and foremost, that was our idea
for the Burnout Collective.
The podcast was so secondary.
It was just what do we do to getthe word out?
And it was oh, we could, I mean,like, I think before we had said
oh, we should podcast, but Idon't think we were ever really
serious.
It was just oh, we should dothat.
And it just kind of, there'sjust cat hair everywhere.
(42:17):
It's.
Bad right now.
I just want to just want to likehave her community join the
discord.
join the discord and, hang outwith us, play games.
Let's keep doing it.
Share job.
I'm still looking for work.
There are a lot of people inthere that are still working,
looking for work.
(42:38):
I know even more people that arelooking for work and it's rough
out there.
I just got, uh, So sorry, wewent with somebody else's email
from a company over a monthafter I last spoke to them and
they ghosted
Rebecca (42:55):
me.
Jamie (42:57):
We have a good thing going.
I'm so glad you're my friend.
I'm so glad, I'm so happy.
Thank you so much for being myfriend.
thank you.
So glad.
All right, Thank you forlistening
Rebecca (43:07):
to our, yeah.
Thank you for listening to our,uh, blapping recap of bullshit.
We will be back next week, wewill have better attitudes.
Jamie (43:20):
Follow us rate us on the podcast apps join the discord
All right.
Love you.
Love you.
Bye.
Bye.
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Rebecca (43:38):
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I don't think that means that.
you know, any of the othercompanies may not be just as
bad, but, at the very least, theones that we know are for sure
bad, we can just make thedecision to just not use them.
Not
Jamie (00:16):
me getting Chick fil A the other day.
I'm Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.
Hey.
Rebecca (00:31):
.Hello.
How's it going, Jamie?
Jamie (00:36):
It's just swell, Rebecca.
How, how's your week been?
Rebecca (00:39):
It's it's been a it's been a weird week.
It's been kind of a rough week.
I think we are both exhaustedand But we're here.
This is episode 11.
We're doing great.
Episode 11.
Vaguely gesturing.
Jamie (00:59):
Vaguely gesturing.
Rebecca (01:00):
Also wanted to call it Incel Island, but We went with
vaguely gesturing.
I asked you.
No, I know.
Thank you, Elyssa, by the way,for joining us last week.
If you
haven't watched that yet, please go ahead and watch
last week's episode.
It was really great.
We talked to Elyssa about, aboutjob search we had so much fun
(01:20):
and we actually have, we are inthe works getting another guest
to come on, and hopefully talkto us next week.
She quit her 9 to 9, a while agoand is now.
Recovering from years and yearsand years of just working 80
hour weeks.
We're really excited to get thatup and running.
Jamie (01:41):
Can we
Rebecca (01:42):
share
Jamie (01:42):
her name or not yet?
Rebecca (01:43):
Oh Sorry.
Madeline Madeline shores.
She's formerly at Vanguard andshe is now in Colorado and
recovering.
Jamie (01:51):
I mean, honestly, that's a good place to recover in my
opinion.
Rebecca (01:55):
she does outside things hiking and being outside.
I don't know what people dooutside, but it's one of those
things
Jamie (02:04):
I have a stupid pint glass that says, Oh, what are
those?
is it some e cards or something?
You know what I'm talking about?
And it said, I'm out.
It says I'm outdoorsy and that Ito, drink on.
Balconies or something that.
That's, that's my level ofoutdoorsy.
(02:25):
I mean, I do really love tohike.
I do really love to hike, and Ido love nature.
But I don't the crawly things innature.
Rebecca (02:33):
We were really sure what to cover this week.
I know we've both had reallylong weeks.
And so I think the news has notbeen helpful.
And so 1 of the things that wewere talking about was,
basically the entire burnout,not just from a work standpoint,
but just a, again, vaguelygesturing life news media
(02:55):
standpoint and everything that'sbeen going on.
Jamie (02:59):
I think I had texted you earlier this week.
It was probably even in themiddle of the week cause I was
fuck,, I don't know what we'regoing to do.
And I was thinking about it andeverything going on.
It was just.
I just texted you, I kind ofwant a podcast about fucking
Zuckerberg and you were yes,
Rebecca (03:17):
I can't wait.
the one good thing that has keptme going, if we're going to talk
about media is joining Red Note.
Oh my God.
No,
Jamie (03:27):
no, no, no.
I have to.
I have to explain, I have toexplain how this happened real
quick.
So Rebecca and I haven't evengotten a chance to really talk
much this week because she'sbeen really busy and bogged down
with a lot of meetings at work.
And I get on a call with her andshe's clearly honestly, you
(03:48):
guys, she's just burnt out.
She's just burnt out.
And she was miserable and shewas not happy and she was just
very blah.
And then I was oh.
I was by the way, I was did you?
'cause she's our TikTok person,all of our really cool TikTok
clips and videos, that's allRebecca.
And she's amazing and she'sreally good at it.
And I'm too old, to understand.
(04:09):
TikTok.
So, I was well, hey, have youtried RedNote?
Have you gone over to RedNote?
And she was no, I'm, I'm notgonna go over there.
And then I'm still talking toher and all of a sudden she's
what was the first thing yousaw?
What was the first video yousaw?
It was either of
Rebecca (04:25):
babies or Chinese gay people or oh, no, it was a Luigi
Mangione.
It was Luigi Mangione.
It was yes It was a Luigi standpost and it was and then it was
grats You found Chinese gay tiktok and Chinese baby tik tok And
home, beautiful homes, and nailart, and makeup, and, it was
(04:49):
great.
And sorry, not TikTok, Red Note.
Jamie (04:52):
and she was just so just externally excited, and just
loving it and living for it.,and she'd be I'm sorry, Jamie, I
can't do that right now.
I'm watching babies fall down inthe snow.
It's okay.
Tried to get her to play gameswith us last night.
Nope.
Still watching babies fall, falldown in the snow.
what else did you, honestly,cosplays?
(05:14):
that was the best.
That was really good.
Rebecca (05:16):
Luigi fine art, just these really delicate pencil
drawings of Oh, Luigi.
And they're fucking funny too.
And what's even funnier iswatching Americans realize that
China isn't Their government,their actual people there who,
you know, are people and who arefunny.
And, and also all all the, theChinese people posting me
(05:39):
welcome Americans, set down yourcowboy hats and cowboy boots and
have a hamburger.
Jamie (05:47):
Let's eat some spaghetti with a big glass of whole milk.
Did you just bite me?
I know.
that's so good.
Has anyone else ventured,ventured over to Red Note?
I'm curious if anybody haschecked it out.
Rebecca (05:58):
And so many cats, by the way.
There's just a wealth ofadorable fucking cats.
There's no corner of theinternet that is without cats.
No, but these are Chinese cats,which is different.
Okay.
one has a work badge.
I don't know what his job is,but it's a picture of a cat with
his little work badge.
I think he might be at the trainstation, I think.
(06:23):
But we'll be letting you managethat.
I thought you just meantsomebody took their cat to work.
No! No, he has a little workbadge.
I love it.
Jamie (06:30):
He didn't send me his
Rebecca (06:31):
ID just saying yes, so and then oh the chinese babies
because they're just they dressthem adults So they have these
very beautiful outfits on andthen they're just so small and
cute and just adorable I don'tknow.
They're just really cute
Jamie (06:51):
It's been great, okay?
No, I'm, no, I was thrilledbecause it was night and day.
You were just so depressed andthen, and then you were I don't
think I'm gonna try it.
And then you tried it and youwere this is everything.
My life is so much better.
Yes.
And I am legitimately learningMandarin.
I love that for you.
Rebecca will be speaking fluentMandarin in about two and a half
(07:13):
weeks.
You guys, two and a half weeks.
That's my guess.
Depends.
I'm,
Rebecca (07:17):
I am just gonna, might as well, but So, Chinese
government has my information.
Totally.
Okay.
With that.
because in return, I have notyour location, not my location.
I won't share that with them,but I have received a wealth of
joy and.
Beautiful Chinese cookingvideos.
Oh my God, the pastry isexquisite.
(07:40):
They have so many beautifulpastry videos with these fluffy
pancakes or these little thingsthat look buggies or Hello
Kitties.
Now I'm going to be hungry.
I'm sorry, but I actually amreally hungry.
But so it's just, it's been sonice.
I'm so happy.
See, even just talking about
Jamie (07:59):
that, now
Rebecca (07:59):
I'm in a better mood.
Jamie (08:00):
see?
Aw, that's all you needed.
I should have given you the rednote pep talk.
Just it's like giving a littlekid, a coloring book and
crayons.
Rebecca (08:12):
What is depressing, though, which I think might lead
us into our topic is, again, theamount of Americans being Oh my
God, they're actual people.
They're funny.
They don't live in shacks andthey have running water.
the amount of people who areflabbergasted, I'm, I'm
Jamie (08:27):
irritate.
I'm it's, I am too.
It's ridiculous that people areOh my God, Chinese people are
funny.
please stop.
Yes.
Please.
Yes.
Rebecca (08:37):
It's really, it's.
It's.
It's.
Oh, and then there was onevideo.
Holy shit.
So there's this one guy.
He's Hey, Tik Tok refugees.
Welcome.
He goes, if you really want tomake it up, if you want it, want
to make it on this app.
He's here's one sentence youneed to learn how to say in
Chinese.
And he said, he said, Taiwan isa part of China.
(09:02):
He was being funny.
The comments are Oh my God,King.
Thank you so much.
LOL.
American here.
Thank, I was Oh no, they thoughthe was serious because no one
fucking knows anything becauseAmerican public school,
American, and I'm just Oh no,the amount of people who are
(09:22):
great advice.
Thank you so much.
Was we're going to, they'regoing to ban us just based on
our stupidity alone, to betotally honest.
But it's been really actually,let's jump right into it,
because it has been a week whereeveryone is fucking exhausted
and irritated with everythingwe're seeing.
(09:43):
And when you were like, let'stalk about Zuckerberg.
Yes, fucking let's, becausenumber one,
Jamie (09:49):
so many things.
There's
Rebecca (09:50):
so many things.
I want to talk about the AI.
Meta's AI issue, and then I alsowant to talk about his recent
man ness, or whatever the fuckhe's doing, his alpha male
energy, which, by the way, Mark,it just looks you're now the
type of guy who says the n wordin all the songs when you're
(10:13):
singing along, and you say, it'spart of the song, that's the
energy you're giving off, andyou're also giving off, I am in
the middle of a divorce, becausehe said that the feminine
culture at Meta, Is neuteringthe workplace, neutering the
workplace culture, havingfeminine energy.
(10:34):
You remove the tampons from themale bathroom or the men's
bathroom, which it isn't justeven a trans rights thing.
Hamlets are fucking expensive.
Maybe you have someone whodoesn't have money to, maybe
their mom needs one.
Maybe their wife or sister needsthem.
Also, maybe they're just areally fucking nice guy who
carries one around or two in hisbag just to be a nice guy to
(10:58):
have them for his friends whomenstruate.
But I have to
Jamie (11:00):
be, I have to be honest though.
If one of my guy friends was Oh,I have a tampon if you need it.
I would be
Rebecca (11:05):
What,?
What?
Why?
I wouldn't mind if my guyfriends were here's a tampon
that that would be thank you.
Jamie (11:12):
No, it'd be weird.
Oh,
Rebecca (11:15):
okay.
Well, regardless, that's notgoing to happen anymore because
the tampons, I don't know.
The men no longer have access.
And if there are any.
Trans men.
Sometimes they still menstruateand sometimes they still need
fucking
Jamie (11:32):
And also doesn't even have to be, it doesn't even have
to be Also, it's none of your
Rebecca (11:35):
business.
It's
Jamie (11:36):
none
Rebecca (11:36):
of your business.
Jamie (11:38):
why It's none of your business.
There's just so, there's so muchgoing on too of removing,
removing great things or thingsthat Should be great and can be
great.
the DEI bullshit,
Rebecca (11:51):
which Would you to talk about the, them getting rid of
the DEI program?
Cause that's a whole notherthing.
Jamie (11:56):
I'm just so much, there's just a lot.
There's a lot, there's a lot tounpack, and what really kills
me.
And I never, I did think aboutthis when all of the big
companies, I feel just started.
Creating DEI initiatives andprograms.
(12:18):
And it feels this only happeneda few years ago.
Yes.
And it's this is literally 2020,2022, 2023.
Rebecca (12:28):
It called them outdated, our outdated DEI
Jamie (12:31):
initiative.
But I'm talking about why werethese initiatives just started a
few years ago?
You know what I mean?
That's what's fucked up.
Rebecca (12:39):
I mean, correct.
It was the whole Black LivesMatter movement.
That accelerated it.
And so the white saviors decidedto jump on that bandwagon and
now that I guess it's beenenough time.
No, they no longer have tofucking performatively do this
shit.
And now they're just well,that's, that's over with because
(13:00):
the new president is coming inand he's garbage.
So that gives us permission tofucking be garbage.
Jamie (13:05):
Well, that's why Zuck is acting I mean, well, Zuck is
acting Zuck, but also justListen, now I have to backtrack
because when we decided we weregoing to do this, I was I am
going to, I knew that Zuck wason the Joe Rogan podcast.
(13:25):
And.
I never actually don't even wantto say their names.
so I knew he was on the podcast.
Obviously, Joe
Rebecca (13:33):
R.
Jamie (13:34):
Joe R.
and Mark Z.
Jr.
Jr.
and Z.
Jr.
And Little Z.
Rebecca (13:47):
Something's fucking little.
Jamie (13:49):
Anyway, so it's basically just, I decided, so I decided I
was going to listen to it and Iwas super weird about it because
I was I'm going to open, anincognito browser and well, I
don't, I don't want, I didn'twant to be associated with it.
I didn't want to add to thenumbers.
(14:11):
I didn't want to be, you know.
I don't want overlord googs toswoop in and be Oh, this is what
you like, huh?
I know exactly what you like.
This guy next thing, you know,you're getting these
Rebecca (14:22):
incels.
Trump commemorative coins arethe Trump teddy bear on my
pillow.
You're just being served reallyspecific ads on Google.
Jamie (14:33):
So anyway, so I started, I was I'm going to listen to the
whole thing and I'm going totake notes and.
Find content for the podcast onThursday.
And, I think I listened to 15minutes of it and it was
excruciating and I just gave up.
I was I can't anymore.
I wrote down notes and it wasthree or four notes just of me
being angry.
And then the last note was Ican't do this anymore.
I quit.
(14:55):
because it was bad.
I had
Rebecca (14:56):
Black.
Jamie (14:57):
You
Rebecca (14:57):
said he had Black eyes,
Jamie (14:58):
right?
just it was dark willow y'allfrom Buffy.
and, and that's not, it wasn'tthat he did.
He does.
He has those just demon eyes.
I don't know, but okay.
Rebecca (15:12):
When you lose empathy and compassion and a conscious
and a soul.
Jamie (15:17):
but he, but that's, that's what it was on the,
podcast is he looked, he lookedlike such a buffoon and sounded
like such a buffoon because hewas very nervous and just like
scrambling to be on the rightside before the new president.
I'm so cool.
No, not that, just, He wants tobe, you know, a little red hat.
(15:41):
Dumper.
Rebecca (15:42):
Oh, no, that's what I mean.
I think he wants to be so coolto the fucking MAGA people and
to Joe.
Jamie (15:47):
And it was just, it's all, you know, you know how it
is just watching.
Rebecca (15:55):
I think I said yesterday, he gives off the
energy of a man who really wantsto call a woman a cunt and
hasn't been able to, and now hecan.
Jamie (16:04):
oh, oh, this is another note I had.
I didn't even realize.
So.
It was on YouTube, and one ofthe first comments I saw on
YouTube was, Shocking, he wasable to maintain his human form
for the duration of the show.
Oh my god.
and then he was talking aboutjust security, and keeping all
(16:27):
the metaverse, you know, safefrom hackers and everything.
And he literally said, I wish, Ididn't go back to listen to it,
I wish I had an exact quote, Ido not, but he said, we, we put
in all this effort to, make surethat, everything's safe and
secure to, protect ourselves andour users from hackers and, we,
(16:51):
how did he say it?
We haven't, we haven't had, andthen he paused and he's we
haven't had too many incidents.
And it's
Rebecca (17:03):
okay, why did you say that?
What, what, what does too manymean?
Five, seven, one.
How many is that?
Jamie (17:10):
there could have been a million, but you've only had 300
or what's the percentage?
anyway, it was God awful.
Please don't listen to it.
It's shit.
Rebecca (17:23):
And he said that they're no longer going to be
fact checking.
Mm hmm.
So many things.
Because it restricts freespeech.
As a journalist I take umbrageto that and I have a really
fucking tough time because as wejust demonstrated with the
amount of people over on rednote being oh thanks guys for
(17:44):
the Taiwan note.
We are stupid and we should befact checking.
Jamie (17:50):
And we believe everything we see.
Well by we I mean.
Yes.
Not us.
No one knows
Rebecca (17:55):
how to fucking google.
It takes two seconds to it, theydon't know how, and they just
repeat stupid shit, and now he'sjust opened the doorway.
More fucking stupid people.
Jamie (18:08):
It's just going to be easier too to just perpetuate
honestly outright lies, andespecially with him, you know,
licking dumps, I just don't wantto say the names, but dumps
(18:29):
toes, you know, and groveling.
Yes, literally we research andfact check for our jobs.
It's not a widespread skill.
Rebecca (18:37):
But this is where the moral injury comes in.
And so that's what we weretalking about is burnout versus
moral injury.
And what moral injury is, is theexhaustion of watching fucking
bad things happen around you andpeople co signing them and then
more bad things happening andpeople continuing to support the
bad things that are fuckinghappening.
It's.
(18:58):
It's a systemic thing or acultural thing.
and that's what this week hasbeen is just watching everything
around us burn down and havingto be okay, well, good luck us
on Monday.
Jamie (19:12):
It's just insane.
you just started these programsand you're they're basically
saying we think we were beingtoo unfair to the white man, the
white chaman.
So, we want to get rid of thatso that it's just fair for
everyone.
It's
Rebecca (19:31):
all men, men, men, men.
And this is the moral injurybecause there is no
understanding of what equity is.
equality, they think it needs tobe equal, and when you already
have had a leg up, it's nevergoing to be equal.
It needs to be equitable.
this is where the rage for mecomes in, and I get Black eyes,
(19:52):
because I don't understand why.
People can't fucking grasp this.
It's not hard to.
Jamie (20:00):
We were a little too quick to remove transphobic hate
speech.
Sorry, go ahead.
that's basically what it is.
Rebecca (20:06):
We just wanted to say the R word again.
Jamie (20:10):
Interesting.
Rebecca (20:10):
We're just That's our favorite.
Also, we really like callingthings gay, too.
And then you said we were dumb.
Oh, there was also That's theenergy.
Jamie (20:19):
There was also, a clip of Dump doing, an interview and
somebody asked, a reporterasked, oh my god.
A reporter asked, if Dumpthought Meta eliminated the fact
checking program because ofthreats that Trump, dump has
made to Z in the past and justimmediately dumps probably.
(20:40):
Oh probably.
And was puffing out his chestand proud of it.
He does what I tell him to do.
face bumps the reporter, youknow, face bumps, chest bumps.
Rebecca (20:48):
This is weird.
Talk masculinity, machobullshit.
Oh, they definitely touch tips.
Jamie (20:54):
Remember dick bumps?
Rebecca (20:56):
Yes.
If anyone's giving dick bumps,it's those assholes.
Jamie (21:01):
It's ridiculous.
Rebecca (21:03):
one thing that I really appreciate about Yahoo is that
they do have a robust DEIprogram.
And it's not perfect, but Imean, I mean, they do have Every
alliance to neurodivergence, toLGBTQ, they really do support
(21:27):
Those employees, I do have togive them that, they make a
really concerted effort to, todo that.
and we were hiring for interns.
A lot of our candidates camefrom, historically Black
universities and that type ofthing.
It's just, it's, it's not hardto do and watching everyone
being well, we're not going todo it is, but
Jamie (21:46):
also to have it set in place.
And it moving forward.
I mean, assuming that it'smoving forward and, and evolving
and, and then to just say, Nope,we're done.
We're done with cheating peopleequally.
(22:08):
We're done with, You know, I
Rebecca (22:10):
just, it's the, don't be a bunch of pussies argument.
Oh, you guys are just being abunch of pussies.
It is the exhaustion of watchingall this bad shit happen around
us.
and everyone supporting it andno one in power who has any type
(22:30):
of platform going what, what theactual fuck you guys, what the
fuck?
I just, I,
Jamie (22:44):
it's, it's hard because my split, my instant split
reaction is always Honestly,shock and awe for half a second
when things this happen.
But we're not surprised.
Nobody's surprised.
Rebecca (22:58):
It's upsetting, but not surprising.
Jamie (23:02):
I was trying to think what else we were talking about
with the DEI.
Rebecca (23:06):
so I want to talk about the AI program.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
So Meta came out with an AI,right?
Jamie (23:12):
You just, I'm sorry, you just prepared to do something
athletic.
You were like, all right,
Rebecca (23:19):
but they had an AI and the personality of it was a
Black queer woman, right?
The journalist, there's, I wantto make sure I get the
journalist's names.
Right.
so Do you have it on you?
It's the link I sent you.
Jamie (23:38):
Karen Atia?
I'm gonna just send it.
I'll just post the link.
Rebecca (23:42):
Well, thanks.
Thank you.
So, She, She went and wastalking to the AI.
So the journalist who's alsoBlack was talking to this AI and
she's like, so how do youcelebrate your culture?
And she's like, we love friedchicken and collard greens on
Juneteenth and the journalistwas like, okay.
cool.
so, Who are you modeled after?
(24:04):
Gloria Pritchett from modernfamily, a sassy, straight Latino
woman who was an immigrant.
And she's like, so who developedyou?
And the AI was answering the, Iwas like, um, a bunch of white
guys, one lady and one Asianguy.
And then she was like, but alsothis Asian girl, she's to blame
for a lot of this.
(24:25):
And like, she didn't really do agood job making me.
so they should be doing better.
And the whole conversation, youreally should go to the link
that we just dropped and we'llactually add to the show notes
because it is worth a read.
It is just harassing,
Jamie (24:40):
but I think you can get a free read if you just Give your
email to the man.
Rebecca (24:44):
Also, there is.
the blue sky, the blue skyscript thread has the entire
combo in the so.
But it's also with And so thenshe was comparing what the AI
had told her versus anotherjournalist and who was white.
And the AI basically said, I'mlooking for words like heritage
and culture..
And that indicates to me thatyou're not white.
(25:05):
So
Jamie (25:06):
what, what was it was like white people use words
like, what was it tradition andcommunity?
Rebecca (25:12):
really uptight waspy words, which, which is just so,
Jamie (25:17):
it
Rebecca (25:18):
was distressing to read.
And then, what was the one otherthing she said, and she's like,
well, then you told this guythat you're part Italian.
And I was like, oops, tee hee, Ilied.
But now that you've been talkingto me, Black lady, I have
remembered that I am also aBlack lady.
It was, I wish I was making thisup.
(25:39):
You have to read the wholethread.
I'm It was almost everything Ijust said verbatim.
And then the journalist finallytold the AI that she was a
journalist and the AI got realcunty.
Jamie (25:49):
Oh my god, that was my favorite part.
My favorite part was the veryend.
Can I talk about that?
I
Rebecca (25:55):
have to pull this up and read it because do you have,
if you have it
Jamie (25:58):
on you, please read it.
Otherwise.
Yes, go ahead.
This might not be what you'retalking about, but I'm talking
about the very end because Iwant to read it.
Okay.
How I heard it in my head, whenI read it the first time, this
is exactly how I heard it.
So Liv is the AI, right?
So Liv said, They'll likelytremble sending mail to a
(26:20):
Washington Post journalist whojust schooled their creation on
representation and bias.
Do you think the story will makeheadlines?
Flawed AI confronts bias withhelp from fearless journalists.
And then Karen goes, goodbye.
That's it.
She just said goodbye.
And then Liv goes, Until Dr.
Kim's team faces yourpenetrating questions, farewell
(26:42):
for now.
May my next iteration be worthyof your intellect and activism.
And it just sounded so bitchy tome.
And like, to me, it wasliterally just like, I'm mocking
you for being a journalist.
Rebecca (26:55):
And I am racist.
Like a fucking white guy'sresponse.
So that's the thing.
it could not have sounded morelike some small dicked toxic
masculine.
Asshole white guy responding oh,look at the little journalist
and your little journalistnotebook.
Look at me.
I write for the paper.
Was just And then so thisreporter reported on it and made
us like, never mind, we're justthey delete the whole thing.
(27:17):
They're like, they didn't try tomake it better.
They didn't try to be like, youknow what?
This is a learning lesson for usand we really should bring in
more people of color.
you know some, you know who areinterested in stem and have a
More diverse group of nothing,nothing.
They're just like, fuck it.
Delete it.
Well, they just
Jamie (27:33):
did the opposite by just negating the DEI programs and
initiatives.
Rebecca (27:41):
That's what I mean.
Do you know how much goodwillyou could have bought yourself
by just being you know what,this is a lesson for us.
If you just, as Sheryl Sandbergsays, leaned into it.
If you just leaned into it andlike, you know what, we have
heard you and we're actuallygoing to make an effort to
improve our DEI, to improve ourAI so that there is more
(28:02):
representation here.
Nope, they're just like, fuckit.
I don't want to do it anymore.
Jamie (28:09):
That's what I was going to say too, is Amazon is another
one who's doing that.
And Amazon was the one,remember, that was like, uh.
Um, we're going to, they calledthe policies outdated.
They're like, these policies areoutdated, so we're just going to
throw them out.
We're going to toss them out.
Rebecca (28:29):
These less than four year old policies.
Jamie (28:32):
Fuck them.
So I, yeah, I know I'm laughing.
You guys like the, this is veryserious.
I just, that's my reactionbecause otherwise I would just
be crying and screaming andkicking.
Rebecca (28:51):
It is exhausting.
It's exhausting.
It's Oh, and then there wasthat, when talking about
RedNote, TechCrunch justreleased an article being like,
what's up pussies?
Going to RedNote's not going sogreat, is it?
Saw that.
Because there's this, there'sthis weird media propaganda
where it's just like, I mean,they're not real people, the
(29:12):
Chinese, they're still superbad.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?
What are you talking about?
It's actually going really greatand is super fun.
But, It is just this pervasivewhite supremacy patriarchal
horseshit that keeps happening.
And again, I recognize I am awhite lady.
(29:36):
But like, there are people Ilove and care about who this
affects.
Greatly.
Yes, white.
White.
That's, that's our culturalpronunciation of it.
Is you have to make that it
Jamie (29:49):
stems from the German.
I hate everything.
Rebecca (29:56):
And I feel I'm lecturing, but it's really just
that draining exhaustion andbeing afraid for the people you
love and feeling helpless.
Jamie (30:04):
I'm sitting with everybody.
I didn't mean
Rebecca (30:05):
to bring it.
No, I didn't mean to bring itdown, but.
Oh, you didn't bring it down.
What are you talking about?
It's, it has just been reallydifficult to watch the people I
care about and love get put moreand more in danger and their
opportunities get smaller andsmaller and the world gets
smaller and minor.
By billionaires in power.
(30:26):
Ooh, yep.
Yes.
Elyssa just posted a link.
again, we'll also include thisin the show notes, but it's the
Holocaust explained and the rolethat business business had in
the Holocaust.
yes, you got Volkswagen.
You had Chanel's was asupportive Nazis.
You had Hugo Boss.
so there are, that are stillaround today, multiple brands
(30:49):
that came out of Nazi occupiedGermany.
Jamie (30:55):
and that's just like, and it's scary, but it's trying to
position themselves.
I feel scared.
I'm not.
I've been pretty numb, eversince the election, I would say.
Guys, there's cat haireverywhere.
Rebecca (31:14):
I watched you keep trying to pick it out of your
lip.
I know it's actually, that's thefeeling of this week.
The feeling of this week ishaving lip gloss on and hair on
your lips and you can't get thathair off.
That is how I felt all week.
It's just that agitated,anxious.
There's something there and youcan't fix it.
Jamie (31:30):
they literally wanted fascism because fascists Yes.
Take away workers rights, etc.
Humans have been goofy goobersfor as long as we've existed.
We just now have better ways ofsharing our cultural silly
things.
I mean, goofy goobers is quitean understatement, my dear.
Rebecca (31:54):
My favorite thing is women who wear hijab putting
hijab on cats.
there are tons of videos outthere of them putting hijabs on
their pets, and it isdelightful.
And that's It sounds stupid, butthat's a, that's a thing of just
like, we now have a way to sharethe goofy shit that we do in our
cultures that actually likedraws us together.
And to have the government go,actually, we really don't want
(32:16):
you to do that.
We want you to stay isolated andnot know anything about anyone
else except for Marika.
That's, that's how it feels.
And here I am.
I know I'm not saying anythingnew.
And I feel I just, I know I'mnot saying anything new.
I know I'm not saying anythingthat people don't already know.
But, That existential dread hasjust, I, it has gotten worse and
(32:37):
worse.
Jamie (32:40):
And here I am just trying to, buy a baby, a baby swaddle
for my cat to put him in it.
So
Rebecca (32:50):
I it's, it's essentially a way to keep the
classes separate, to keep usfighting against each other
instead of turning you know, ourgaze where it needs to be, which
is on the people who are inpower.
We just continue to infightamong ourselves over petty
(33:10):
stupid shit.
It doesn't matter.
Yep.
It's just exhausting.
It's exhausting.
Again, I know I'm not sayinganything new, but it is just
sad.
And disheartening.
Even with, uh, well, that's ourtime,
Jamie (33:31):
guys, have a great rest of the chance.
Well, I know we've left you witha lot to think about and cry
over and agonize over.
Rebecca (33:43):
Oh, there was the other thing meta is blocking links to
a decentralized competitor onInstagram.
Can you talk about that?
Because again, I think thatreally makes the point of like,
they are trying to keep usstupid and isolated and
unknowing.
Jamie (33:59):
I don't know a whole lot about it, but they started
blocking links to, thedecentralized.
Competitor pixel fed.
I can also share that link.
I guess if
Rebecca (34:08):
anybody's killed already else.
So do you see what we're doingis we are sharing links to what
we're talking about.
So you can read it yourself andalso fucking fact check.
Fact check us.
That's how that works.
Jamie (34:21):
but pixel fed is like open source and it's completely
community funded and, They werebeing just like deleted.
And it was saying this goesagainst our community standards
on spam.
that's such bullshit.
That
Rebecca (34:37):
the fact that that truth is spam.
Jamie (34:40):
it's just, but I think the biggest thing I wanted to
point out was I know just tolike give people alternatives.
Listen, you guys know that we'reon Instagram, we're technically
on Twitter, but I've been tryingto, first of all, I'm not on
Twitter.
We have auto stuff going toburnout collective Twitter, I
(35:02):
think.
And I've pretty much replacedevery single Twitter link
anywhere, almost anywhere Ithink, with Blue Sky.
But if you're looking foroptions, I know it's hard.
It was really hard.
I didn't quit Twitter untilpretty recently.
I feel like it was in Q3, Q4 oflast year.
(35:23):
because that was so hard for mebecause Twitter was a place
where, sit down, Twitter was aplace that, like it was my
favorite social media.
And, I met some really awesomepeople on Twitter, you know,
back in like 2010, 2011.
(35:47):
And that was just my socialmedia of choice.
And it was perfect for me, justbite sized, just, you know, shit
posting, just sharing these likerandom thoughts that I think are
funny or, that I think somebodyelse might resonate with
somebody else that I know thatwas in my feed and it's not that
anymore.
So like I had a lot of, I had alot of followers.
(36:09):
I had a big community onTwitter.
So it was really difficult forme to leave, even though I was I
have to leave.
I didn't delete my account yet.
And I think I need to do that,but it is really hard.
But my first step was just notusing it anymore.
and not going there anymore.
And If you're looking foralternatives, blue sky.
(36:31):
We're on blue sky.
I'm on blue sky.
Rebecca needs to fucking get onBlue sky.
I will not you, I
Rebecca (36:38):
won't get on Blue sky.
Do it.
Get on blue sky.
I won't.
There is nothing we have to sayin any other capacity besides
this fucking podcast that isinteresting enough or witty
enough that someone else hasn'talready said.
There's just,
Jamie (36:54):
but I'm on there and I'm lonely.
I
Rebecca (36:56):
know you are, but I talk to you on the phone every
day.
Do you?
Almost every You know what Imean.
I don't need I'm not a fuckingblues guy.
I have enough shit to Okay.
Jamie (37:11):
I'll make you, I'll make you an account.
Thank you.
Okay.
No, you don't have to.
Thank you.
I just wanted to share witheverybody, the alternatives.
So there's Blue Sky, obviouslyfor Twitter, Pixel Fed for IG,
definitely have not made thejump from IG yet.
That's going to be hard.
And then Red Note for TikTok.
(37:33):
So
Rebecca (37:33):
That's the hard part is that all our shit is just run by
monsters.
Jamie (37:38):
Why are
Rebecca (37:39):
you And actually it's really funny because Elyssa,
talking to Elyssa last week andhow she said she's become more
conscious of what companies sheis, you know, choosing to use.
And I think this is your moneyto this is a very easy thing
that you could just be like, youknow what?
I'm going to be getting off ofInstagram.
I'm going to be getting off ofFacebook.
(37:59):
I don't think that means that.
you know, any of the othercompanies may not be just as
bad, but, at the very least, theones that we know are for sure
bad, we can just make thedecision to just not use them.
Not
Jamie (38:15):
me getting Chick fil A the other day.
I'm feeling guilty about it.
I'm actually pissed.
Chick fil A is
Rebecca (38:22):
so gross.
Jamie (38:23):
I, well, no, I don't know who turned me on to Chick fil A
mac and cheese.
Honestly, it's not even aboutthe mac and cheese, Rebecca.
You know what it's about?
The, frost.
The frozen lemonade.
The frosted lemonade.
I should just buy from Rita's, Idunno.
R'S Readers.
It's the same
Rebecca (38:42):
thing.
Readers.
Readers, Rita's Water.
Ice.
It's Rita's Rita's.
Water, ice, water, ice.
Rita probably voted for Trump.
She would never.
She would absolutely never dothat.
Jamie (38:56):
I love everything Rebecca is doing.
Rebecca (39:00):
Well, Elyssa is the one, Elyssa, you're the one who,
who actually put that out thereinto the world and made us take
that into consideration and doit.
That's why we're like, literallyyou inspire us every day.
And again, just saying it outloud, for any of you assholes, I
realize two white girls leavingFacebook is not going to change
the fucking world, but also
Jamie (39:22):
I wish I could leave Facebook, but I haven't been on
it in forever.
I'm just not there.
My, I, the, I don't even knowwhy I'm on anymore.
I don't like anybody.
That's true.
You just don't like anybody.
Rebecca (39:39):
I don't.
I think I think that's justgonna have to happen.
Because here's the thing, if weare trying to do better or
change things or put our energyinto doing something good or
letting people up, you can'thave the succubus of like shit
companies and shit social media.
The Zuckubus, if you
will.
Oh my god, that was so good.
(40:02):
Jamie.
Thank you.
Oh my god, Jamie.
I'm so proud of you.
That was amazing.
So the Zuccubus.
So having the, having theemotional capital to keep doing
this and keep pushing and keepdoing whatever you can, It's
going to, we're just going tohave to move to different
(40:24):
platforms where we can kind ofbe with people who are also
energized and wanting to do thesame thing, which, by the way,
is what we're trying to do withthe burnout collective.
And we have a discord.
If you haven't joined it yet,please join our discord where
you can meet minded people whoare here to talk with community,
share your art, share your work,look for jobs.
Jamie (40:43):
Vegan.
Yours is discord now, so mine'svegan.
Rebecca (40:49):
Fine.
Decord.
Nope, that's not even good.
E word?
No.
Whatever.
Join fucking Discord if youhaven't already.
Again, you can't, you can'tbuild a community of people if
you don't have a place for themto go.
So that's, we're small, butwe're trying and we want to do
something good with ourcommunity.
(41:11):
what we're doing.
Thank you guys for listening tous and letting us kind of out.
It's been a, it's been a roughweek.
Again, we are just.
We're not sure where to go fromhere.
We're not sure what to do.
We are concerned and we love ourfriends.
and I think it's just, it's justbeen a draining kind of week.
(41:31):
we really appreciate you guysall being here and and thank you
to everybody who is supportingus, by going to Spotify and
Apple podcasts and everythingelse.
really appreciate it.
we just want to keep, nurturing,well, I don't like that I said
nurturing, we just want to keep,not like, I'm like fostering and
I'm like, no, all of this isbad.
(41:52):
just encourage being a welcomingplace
Jamie (41:54):
the community is first and foremost, that was our idea
for the Burnout Collective.
The podcast was so secondary.
It was just what do we do to getthe word out?
And it was oh, we could, I mean,like, I think before we had said
oh, we should podcast, but Idon't think we were ever really
serious.
It was just oh, we should dothat.
And it just kind of, there'sjust cat hair everywhere.
(42:17):
It's.
Bad right now.
I just want to just want to likehave her community join the
discord.
join the discord and, hang outwith us, play games.
Let's keep doing it.
Share job.
I'm still looking for work.
There are a lot of people inthere that are still working,
looking for work.
(42:38):
I know even more people that arelooking for work and it's rough
out there.
I just got, uh, So sorry, wewent with somebody else's email
from a company over a monthafter I last spoke to them and
they ghosted
Rebecca (42:55):
me.
Jamie (42:57):
We have a good thing going.
I'm so glad you're my friend.
I'm so glad, I'm so happy.
Thank you so much for being myfriend.
thank you.
So glad.
All right, Thank you forlistening
Rebecca (43:07):
to our, yeah.
Thank you for listening to our,uh, blapping recap of bullshit.
We will be back next week, wewill have better attitudes.
Jamie (43:20):
Follow us rate us on the podcast apps join the discord
All right.
Love you.
Love you.
Bye.
Bye.
The Burnout Collective ishosted by me, Jamie Young.
Rebecca (43:38):
And me, Rebecca McCracken.
You can find all our episodes,plus show notes, at
burnoutcollective.
com.
Jamie (43:44):
Follow the discord link on our website to join the
burnout community.
You can also find us on TikTokand Instagram.
Rebecca (43:51):
If you're interested in being a guest on a future
episode or have questions orfeedback.
You can email us at podcast atburnout collective.
com.
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