February 18, 2025 • 56 mins
TW: Please note that this episode contains some brief talk of eating disorders, as well as mentions of fatphobia and body shaming. If you're sensitive to these topics, we suggest skipping through minutes 14 to 17 and 25 to 38.
Get ready to talk food burnout with us in Episode 12. We discuss pandemic grocery woes, meal prep/planning exhaustion, dietary restrictions, and eating on hard mode when our health or the meds we take affect our appetite.
Rebecca discusses why Imperfect Foods was a game changer for her. Meanwhile, Jamie defends the virtue of peanut butter, mustard, and pickle sandwiches while Rebecca looks on in horror. We also reminisce about 90s snacks—remember green ketchup and kudos bars?—and chat about food hacks like the magic of air fryers, drinking smoothies as a less painful way to get nutrients, and why frozen fruits and veggies are the real heroes.
Whether you struggle with having to plan meals for your family or you're struggling to feed yourself, just remember that food is morally neutral.
Surprisingly, we're still waiting on our Uncrustables sponsorship. But what do you think, listeners? Should we create our own Burnout Cookbook?
Have a suggestion for our next episode? A burnout story to share? Send us a text!
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Is that like romanticizing yourlife?
(00:02):
Is that kind of what that'slike?
I never really get theromanticizing your life thing.
No, that's dissociating inpublic.
Jamie (00:11):
I'm Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.
Hey! Hey, everybody.
We're here.
Oh, yeah, announcement Buffyreboot incoming.
(00:31):
yeah, that pretty much made ourlast what?
7 years.
Joss Whedon has nothing to dowith it and Sarah Michelle
Gellar will be like the theGiles to this new Slayer.
I wonder if it's going to beDawn.
That's very exciting.
part of me is still kind ofunsure about dawn.
I'm still kind of like, I mean,yes.
Okay.
(00:52):
But it hits different watchingit as an adult than it did as a
kid.
She was so whiny when you were akid, but as an adult, you're
like, Oh my God, this child isneglected.
yeah, so we're in your podcastapps.
This is just another reminder.
honestly, if you listen to us onTwitch and join us on Twitch
(01:13):
live and are like, I'm not goingto listen to the episodes on
iTunes or Spotify, that's fine,but please go and follow us on
whichever podcast app you useand hit the follow button, which
is apparently subscribe and,give us a rating.
Preferably five stars, but ifyou are dissatisfied.
(01:33):
There's also a line you cantext.
Nobody's used it yet.
I don't think anybody's noticed.
But you can text us things.
And they send pictures.
I don't know.
I haven't tried it.
So somebody go ahead and givethat a try..
Why did we not think thatquestion at all until right now?
we know we said that we weregoing to have a guest again.
(01:54):
the itis has gotten everyone.
It is all I see.
So the itis has gotten everyone.
So we're going to try again wheneveryone feeling better.
Myself included, so what are wetalking about today, Rebecca?
We are talking about maybe oneof my number one burnout topics.
Don't you dare fucking ask mewhat is for dinner one more
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time.
Talking about food.
Yeah.
I didn't realize just how burntout we had been on food until.
Probably a couple years ago whenI was just like having a
meltdown, Rob was like, what arewe gonna have for dinner?
I don't fucking care.
I don't care.
I don't care.
And since then, he's never askedher again.
Have you Rob?
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Never asked again.
I love this topic.
Yes.
I have gluttonous fatigue.
I feel this deeply..
We're doing a trigger warning.
We will be talking about food ifthat It's not something you want
to hear about or don't feel goodabout.
Totally understand.
Feel free to come back for adifferent episode.
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That is not something that makesyou feel uncomfortable.
we will be touching lightly on90s eating disorders, which
pretty much every child born in1980 has.
At some point.
Yeah.
it's not a My Special episode,but just in case that's
something that makes you feel alittle squiggy, then just wanted
to let you know.
Yeah.
and we do love food overall.
Like we do love it.
(03:16):
Food's great.
Two thumbs up.
Food is great.
yeah, but we'll definitely giveanother little trigger warning
if we are, if and when we dotouch lightly on eating
disorders.
but other than that, there's notgoing to be much talk about it.
Yeah, so this was my idea.
and I realized just how much Iwas sick of thinking and talking
(03:37):
about food, probably midpandemic.
I didn't realize just, and thiswas like when it happened and,
restaurants weren't reallydelivering, you couldn't get,
you couldn't really go out,DoorDash wasn't in the area.
that ramped up really quickly,but in the six months that we
didn't have it, it was just likestaring into the refrigerator
space and be like, I can't, Ihave never spent this much time
(03:57):
in my life thinking this muchabout food and how to get it and
where to get it.
and it was just exhausting,especially cause you couldn't go
shopping.
and they ran out of a lot oflike safe foods, like peanut
butter.
So it was just, all consuming atone point.
Oh my god, that was a pun.
It was an all consuming, just,obsession at one point, and I
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just got sick of thinking about,and just, and I, someone who
loves to eat food, lost all ofits appeal, really quickly, and
has continued to be somewhatunappealing since then.
Yeah, that, that happened to mesince I started ADHD meds.
And, I was on Vyvanse for awhile.
And I do think I'm trying todecide, I do think Vyvanse was
(04:43):
way worse for my appetite thanAdderall, which is what I'm on
now.
but definitely both still verymuch affect me.
so sometimes there are thingsthat, We got to do to get our
appetite back or, we have to eatthe same foods over and over.
Cause that's the only thingthat's tasting good to us that,
that week or that month even.
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And one of the funny things wewere thinking about yesterday,
we were talking, with our friendPat was for kids who grew up in
the nineties, there was so muchweird shit that we were given as
children to eat that like wehave never seen again.
We didn't even really grow upwith a concept of food food.
I'm gonna throw out greenketchup, sorry, purple ketchup.
I don't need everything that wasfilled with I think Gushers came
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out then.
Every weird flavored milk.
When did Lunchables come out?
When did those first come out?
The 90s?
It feels I feel like they'vealways been there.
But yeah, Lunchables, which, Ido making my own Lunchables now.
Yeah.
So we just had all this weird,like convenience food.
Oh, the toaster strudels thatcame out and then they had the,
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like this, the hot pockets.
So everything was just really,and plus if you had boomer
parents who grew up in theMidwest, a lot of shit just came
out from a can or from amicrowavable bag.
Yeah.
Which, but, which is fine.
if that's what you're gonna eat,that's what you eat.
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Yeah.
I'm just saying, we didn'texactly learn how to cook actual
real food from any of that,Yeah, very true.
And we were released into thewild and suddenly in charge of
feeding ourselves.
It's oh shit, I don't know howto do this.
Yeah, lots of crock pot stuff Iknew how to make, and the only
other thing I knew how to makewas spaghetti sauce for 20
people.
I'm like, oh, true.
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That's what I do.
I do have a lot of recipes forRebecca's favorite soup,
different soups and chili.
Do you like chili?
Is chili a soup to you?
Yes, it's a soup.
Yeah.
I can't imagine you likingchili.
That's just strange.
You are a very strangeindividual.
Chili is more of a stew.
I can't get that.
Canned spinach.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
That's disgusting.
you can't spell stew withoutyou.
So there you go.
But what's your I mean, like,how are you going to define a
stew then?
Cause soup to you, you're like,oh, it's just like wet
vegetables.
What's a stew?
Stew is soup you have to chew.
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It's wet, chewy, wet vegetables.
It's chewy, wet vegetables thatyou have to chew in order to get
it down.
Rebecca doesn't hear that.
And I'm so pleased becauseshe'll just hear it when she
edits his audio later.
Look forward to it.
but yeah, so that was thegenesis of this and we've
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definitely gotten a lot better,but, I think 1 of the other
issues was we were living in anarea in Phoenix where, they
didn't have instacart servicesyet.
They didn't have door dashservices yet.
Again, that quickly changed, butfor a while, it's just oh, what
do we do?
What do we do?
What do we do?
I like this.
Do you guys think you'll make aburnout cookbook?
For like, easy meals?
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Or is it such an off puttingtopic that it sounds awful?
No, but it would literally belike, get some cheese out of the
drawer, sniff it to make sureit's still good, and then you're
good to go.
Put it on a cold tortilla, putit in the microwave for 30
seconds, and then slice an appleand eat it with a spoonful of
(08:15):
peanut butter.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Nutrition maybe we'll do like adigital download where it's just
like-free and it's funny.
With the pandemic, we didn'trealize how much socializing and
community was based around food.
So my, my family is German,Italian.
So food is everything.
(08:38):
all of the activities we doinvolve food and then when we
couldn't see each other.
food became unappealing and thefact that it was like depressing
because you were eating it alonelike the first thanksgiving
eating without family it's likeusually something that you're
excited about it was just such abummer yeah to eat because it
was like looking at somethingthat could have been but wasn't
(08:59):
then like food is suchdepressing yeah and food is such
a big just like cultural thingfor so many different groups of
people And it does meancommunity and it is a big deal,
feeding yourself and feedingloved ones.
I think that's it's a joke in myfamily where my grandma, my
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mom's mom, and my mom and me, ifyou come over like I will
probably be asking you way toomany times if I can get you
something to eat or drink,because it's like, are you sure?
Are you sure?
Because, I want to take care ofyou.
I want to feed you.
I want to give you all thebeverages for your beverage
goblin needs, I want you to feelat home.
I want you to be comfortable,and I want you to be fulfilled,
(09:44):
That sounds weird, but, Yeah,the other thing was having all
your safe.
I think I mentioned earlierhaving all like the safe foods
unavailable.
so with IBS, it's reallydifficult to, I have a very set
amount of food that I can eatand bread or peanut butter, like
easy stuff that everyone wantedand was gone.
(10:05):
And then there was a recall onJeff.
Which, things were bad, and Ithink I lost my shit more than I
should have, but that kind ofput me over the edge.
Did you try a different peanutbutter, and you were just like,
it was not it?
No, and that's when the autismsensory meltdown happened,
because it tasted weird andsmelled weird and looked weird
(10:26):
and wasn't what I was used to.
But that was a big thing, it wasthe, it was, Everything else is
so up in the air.
You can't even control whatyou're eating.
Oh my God.
And it was just, it was crazy.
I also did I don't know if youdid this, but I remember during
the pandemic, there was likebartering like Ruth and I, she
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lives close.
My friend Ruth lives close tome.
So because they were out of abunch of things, I remember like
we would go for a walk and meetlike halfway between our
apartments, like in our masks.
And I think even on Cinco deMayo or something, we both
poured, made margarita in a togo cup and walked and met each
other and like cheers on thesidewalk to drink our margaritas
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and then walk out.
but we would barter.
So I remember literally bringingher like a packet or two of
yeast.
And then, she gave me sometoilet paper because we were,
like, out of toilet paper.
We got us a prison.
Yeah, we were.
We were, like, bartering.
I'm like, how many packs ofcigarettes, do you want for this
flower?
it was ridiculous.
(11:32):
It was silly, but it's just,thinking back now, I can laugh
about it, but yeah, back duringthe pandemic, that was insane.
That's when we, right around, wefound Imperfect Foods, which has
been a game changer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've tried the meal deliveryservices, but again, with
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Arizona, like the heat was justnot great for that, but the
perfect foods was, it was alittle bit better because they
packed with cold stuff, but thatwas great because I'm going to
have to go to the grocery store.
And that's also just been a gamechanger, even now, or it's just
I don't want to go to the store,but, once that all became
available, that kind of madethings easier.
But then again, it was stilllike, fuck, I still have to cook
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my own food.
I still have to deal with this.
Yeah.
We used to go to mutual parkinglot and sit across from each
other in lawn chairs and drinkmargs.
I did that with Ruth.
We went out, we met in on like aparking lot that was actually on
the roof of some grocery storesand stuff nearby and we just
went and then leaned against ourcars and hung out and like I
(12:35):
think we ate dinner together orsomething like we had our dinner
with us and we ate dinner andtalked like because you missed
that and like I mean she wasliving with her boyfriend but
like I was living alone I wascompletely alone beside like my
cat so Needed, to get thatcommunity a little bit
somewhere.
We still socially distanced and,wore masks when we weren't
(12:58):
eating or drinking, but, Yeah,just some bonkers things we did
during that time.
And then everyone who had theircoping mechanisms taken away
from them and were suddenlyrealizing that they were, in
fact, ADHD, got put onmedication, and then that was a
whole weird thing because thenit was just, For just not even
(13:20):
not hungry.
It was just the thought of foodwas nauseating, but then you
still have to feed the people inyour house and, you still have
to eat because.
living and that was just thatjust made a whole other like
weird layer of weird feelingsabout food on top of it.
Yeah and then there's otherlayers too if you're vegan or
(13:42):
vegetarian but no seriously thataside different dietary
restrictions like celiac havingto work around that having to
work around that going out so Ishould make vegan, an alert and
it'll pop up with all the veganemojis or something.
We'll do that for next time.
Yeah.
And I think the other thing wetalked about was it was, so I
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think it's when I was 11, my momtaught me how to count Weight
watchers points and taught mehow to count food weight
watchers points.
And so since then, I have alwayshad this running tally of food
in the back of my head, likeconstantly, it has just been
constant and getting older andgrowing out of it, it had been
hard, but I had started to doit.
(14:28):
And then again, having to be sofocused, focused on food, where
it was coming from, how you'regoing to get it, what you're
going to make it.
really just brought that back upagain and it felt bad to be
thinking about food that muchand like you were obsessing over
it again.
Well, also that's when like youlearn and that's a big part of,
(14:51):
I think, definitely food traumathat I have, but I think many
people have is growing up withthat.
And there are foods that arelike, that are good and bad, Oh,
don't eat a donut for breakfast.
That's bad.
like you should eat You know,oatmeal for breakfast or like
(15:13):
fresh fruit and Greek yogurtwith extra protein.
And this is good and this isbad.
And so that's definitelysomething that I think I'm still
working through and it's hard towork through because society
still does that.
Like society is still telling usthat foods are good and foods
are bad.
And I've been working withmyself and like my own trauma
surrounding, eating and food andhonestly eating disorders like
(15:37):
and just food is morally neutralyeah yes exactly food is morally
neutral and just feed yourselflike don't focus so much on What
you've been told or what, orthe, like the calories or the
fat or whatever.
(15:58):
if you're gonna eat a McDonald'sburger for breakfast, because
that's the only thing you cankeep down.
That's the only thing thatdoesn't make you feel miserable.
go for it.
that's what you should eat.
I think it's different with akid that like dealing all this
with a kid who was growing andknowing you had to provide them
(16:18):
actual nutrition and.
What did I say?
I said the pandemic put a gun toour head as far as eating went.
It really did.
It's what are we eating and whenare we eating and how are we
doing it and where are we doingit and how, like, how are we
doing it?
It was just That's that's whatbeing vegan is like all the
time, by the way.
You're always like, where's mynext vegan meal coming from?
(16:42):
You're like, where am I going toeat?
What's my next vegan thing I'mgoing to eat?
I'm serious.
No, you don't get, heaven pointsfor that, right?
you're not going to get extracredit.
I'm just saying, you don't haveto do that.
I do it for you, anyway, cheeseis great.
I agree, cheese is great.
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But yeah, so it held a gun toyour head, and knowing that you
had to come up with this, whenalso dealing with suddenly
working from home, and the majorworry about everything that was
going on.
And I think I mentioned earlier,like my kid had gotten out of
the hospital.
She had been really sick.
So all this kind of compiled ontop of each other.
And I remember yelling at myhusband, don't fucking ask me
(17:24):
what's for dinner.
I swear to God, don't ask me,don't ask me.
I don't want to talk aboutdinner.
I'm like, I finally be like,you're in charge.
I don't want to talk about foodanymore.
And it was great actually was, Idon't know why I didn't put him
in charge earlier, but havinghim in charge of stuff.
Which, by the way, was maddeningbecause when we did do the meal
kits, that fucker would makethem look like the recipe cards.
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Mine always That's me.
you tried version of it, but hiswas like, he's I'm going to play
this.
And then he would wipe the edgeswith a damp cloth.
So there weren't any smears anddo the sauce.
And where's Rob's hidden foodporn Instagram.
I need to find a, it wasinfuriating.
It was infuriating.
So good.
Yeah.
I.
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Yeah, I was just going to say, Idid meal services for a little
while.
I did purple carrot, which was,for a little while, but then I
also did, blue apron, and Ileaned more toward blue apron
just cause I liked the recipesbetter and I just kept it.
I kept my subscription active,but you can always like skip
weeks.
So I would just go through and Iwould like skip.
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all the next like week or two orwhatever was available.
And then once in a while I'd gointo the app and be like, Oh,
does anything look good?
if they had anything on the menuthat I'm like, excuse me.
Oh, I really liked that.
I'll get it this week or I'llget it next week.
And I did that for a while.
And that actually helped me likeblue apron for a long time,
helped me eat because, I mighteven be due to do that sometime
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soon, just because I can'tremember the last time I've
really cooked myself a meal.
it's been, everyone knows my,everyone knows by now my journey
with my depression house anddefinitely made major progress
on it before this.
past weekend, by the way, sofeeling really good about that,
even though I have work to do.
but I think I might be due forthat because it's just I didn't
(19:17):
have room to cook for myself.
And I didn't have room to cookfor myself in many senses of
that.
I didn't have room mentally.
I didn't have room physicallybecause like my counter space
was all covered or I still hadpots and pans stocked on my
stove.
Didn't have like enough cleandishes or pots and pans
sometimes to do it.
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The other thing was we talkedabout, it was literally the need
to eat your feelings anddepression, anxiety, but also
being canceled out by the ADHDmeds.
So you just ended up eatingreally weird shit.
That sounded good.
Like peppermint ice cream formonths.
That's all I ate.
Cause that just was the onlything that didn't make me want
(19:59):
to barf.
I could eat a lot of it.
And then not feel sick, And thenI just didn't want to look at it
anymore ever again.
A peanut butter and a pickle andmustard sandwich, for example,
did that during the pandemic.
I remember that and that was areally hard part of our
friendship.
That was a really difficulttime.
You guys, I was doing like live,I was like live, doing live
(20:22):
Instagram stories about thissandwich because people had told
me to try it.
And I tried to make it, but,then, I lost my train of
thought.
Oh, so I was doing like livestories of it on Instagram and
during while I was making them,I, my videos are interrupted
because I'm getting spam callsfrom Rebecca telling me, don't
(20:42):
you eat that?
Jamie, what are you doing?
I swear to God, don't eat that.
But I did and it was good.
I just wanted to be able to saythat I was that friend who told
you don't do it.
Don't do it.
It was good.
I don't regret it.
I have no regrets.
It's a good story.
That was just really hard.
It was a really hard time justwatching you eat that shit.
(21:04):
That makes the glands in theback of my neck stand up, by the
way.
Just, thinking about thatsandwich.
Well, I'm so glad I could bringthis up for you.
No, but With the sensory stuff,when you have safe foods and
when you're very picky eater,that was another, that's the
other exhausting thing.
Like everything else aside, ifyou're a picky eater or you grew
(21:24):
up as a picky eater kid, oragain, like really limited to
how much you can eat, that's awhole other fucking nightmare to
deal with on top of everythingelse.
we talked about eating the onlyfoods that we can stand at
certain times, but also eatingso much of something that you
can't possibly look at it, muchless eat it ever again.
(21:48):
and Chinese food for monthsrecently has been my like, I
don't know why Chinese food, itjust has hit certain part of my
brain and, it's been months ofit.
I think some I recently, likewith, within the last few
months.
I, mine was, there were thesemashed potatoes.
(22:08):
from this very specificsteakhouse and I would order
them delivery and I think Iordered them for delivery like
three or four nights in a row,one week.
I think they were like, AlGroton mashed potatoes.
but they were just so good.
And I was like, Oh, this isperfect.
And this is what I need.
(22:29):
And so I would get that and Idon't know what else I got from
there.
Probably just like a side ofbroccoli or Brussels sprouts or
something.
But I just kept ordering that.
And I was like, yes, thank you.
I didn't get sick of it though.
I just stopped eating it, but mystory of something that I got
sick of, when I was about 11, 10or 11, my family went to Disney
(22:52):
World for the first and onlytime and we had a seven
passenger minivan.
And it was my whole family,which is five people and my
grandparents.
So seven passengers, sevenpassenger van, seven people.
We drove from Michigan.
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To Florida.
That was an adventure.
but because my family is sofrugal, we didn't want to stop a
lot.
sure.
Yeah, we did stop.
We would stop and get like fastfood once in a while, like on
road trips and stuff like that.
But, when we went to the park,Oh, the park foods way too
expensive.
Like we can't.
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We can't buy park food.
So my mom decided, that she wasgonna make sandwiches and like
the hotel we were staying in andwhich had a little kitchenette,
I'm sure.
And, made sandwiches for us.
wrap them up, put them in acooler, put them in the back of
the van, and when we were hungrywe would go out to the parking
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lot and we would eat oursandwiches.
And we did that every day wewere there.
I could not look at anothersandwich without wanting to
throw up for such a long time.
it got so bad that when we gotback, I'm trying to think how
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many days, I think it was like,I don't know, anywhere from
three or four or five days.
When we got back from the trip,when we got back from Disney
World, I would get sent toschool with my lunch and I
always got a sandwich.
He's got a sandwich in my lunch.
I.
For some reason, probablybecause I'm like such like the
(24:37):
perfect amazing angel child, Ididn't want to hurt my mom's
feelings.
I didn't want to say pleasedon't pack me a sandwich in my
lunch.
I don't want to look atsandwiches anymore.
I can't after Disney World andeating sandwiches in the parking
lot every day.
that I just let I just didn'tsay anything.
And I think for a while I wouldsave them and be like, Oh, maybe
I'll eat it the next day.
(24:57):
But then it was gross and Iwouldn't eat it the next day.
So I just started throwing themout.
So then I am feeling guiltyabout it, but still throwing
them out.
So I threw away my sandwich.
My mom would make an entiresandwich every day and throw it
out, throw it out.
I'm pretty sure I probably waslike crying one day.
And I was like, Mom, I have totell you, I've been throwing my
sandwich out every day becauseever since Disney world, I can't
(25:19):
eat another sandwich.
But everybody will be pleased toknow that I love sandwiches to
this day and, can eat themagain.
So that's my story.
I applaud your honesty andintegrity.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you..
Tangent, like tangential thoughto this, throwing away our
sandwiches at school.
(25:39):
We did talk a lot about,especially growing up in the
90s, and being surrounded, oh mygod, constantly by the teeniest,
tiniest people ever on every,trigger warning, a little bit
of, eating disorder talk.
And it would just be like, butalso milk.
the skinniest people, but also,All the milk ads in the, also
(26:01):
with milk mustaches.
Yeah.
Skinny people with milkmustaches.
that's how we jam.
We ate and we drank so muchmilk.
but it was just, and then allthe clothes were also tiny, so
the low rise jeans, the croptops, the, I don't even know.
So you had to be teen and daddyand you couldn't eat.
and anyone who looked remotely,I would walk home from school
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and there was a boy who would,Walk behind me going dun and he
would sing the whale song withanother guy that they had made
up and they called me thunderthighs and just after I know I
just was normal girls.
I've got thunder thighs.
Hi.
But it was like just normalsize.
But yeah, it was the late 90s,early 2000s.
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And so That scene in Mean Girlswhere she's Whatever, I'm gonna
have cheese fries.
I laughed really hard because wewould throw away the lunches our
parents gave us and then get,mozzarella sticks and Diet Coke
or cheese fries and Diet Cokeand, split it amongst us and
we'd each have one chickennugget.
We ate as little food aspossible and then the food we
did eat was shit.
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Or hot Cheetos.
That was the other one.
And it's like Cheetos and sourcandy.
And our parents like packed usthese like nutritious, like good
lunches really.
But then it's just but then no,but then it's just I'm not going
to eat that.
I'm not going to eat thatbecause that's too much food.
I'm gonna get cheese fries.
It's okay, you do you.
Sam said, As a dad, I'd like tomake a case for the dad
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sandwiches.
We make them better because weadd on more than needed.
Hence much more of the goodstuff.
Well, no, you add on the stuffthat needs to be used up from
the refrigerator, like theapricot or cherry jam.
Other tangent, the dad banana.
It is great to have a dad aroundthe house.
I'm sorry, what?
The dad banana.
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Like when you get the bananasthat are perfect.
Oh, yeah, and are good.
And then they start turning toyellow.
And then they get like spots onthem and then there's that one
shitty ass banana left and theonly person in the house will
eat it is the dad.
Yeah, except now.
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I cut them in half and I freezethem and make them into
smoothies or banana bread.
I don't know if it was justgrowing up where we did or just
that certain age, but therewasn't a whole lot of focus on.
On like food and how to cook.
And it was just a lot ofconvenience food, which, because
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a lot of moms had gone back towork then.
Right.
and so they weren't a lot ofmoms weren't at home anymore.
And so they had to be their kidsand they fed their kids
convenient food.
And so a lot of what we had wasquick and fast and convenient,
which is totally great.
But again, as an adult, sounprepared and her mom had, my
mom was a boomer, her mom,everything.
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when my mom's little came fromlike a can so a lot of like
canned things or shelf stablebecause they had the depression
era mentality and so therewasn't a whole lot of fresh
fruits and vegetables and so notbeing exposed to a wide variety
of food either it didn't helpwith that picky eating thing.
Yeah I always think I'm notreally that picky of an eater
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but I guess I am picky becauselike I also I'm vegetarian, but
like, I'm weird aboutvegetables.
I won't eat onions, won't eatmushrooms except on pizza.
Or possibly roasted dude.
Roasting changed roasting hasbeen the slimy mushrooms.
No cooking food for chicken andput it on a roasting pan.
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That has been as someone whogrew up eating like microwaved
or steamed vegetables with nofat or seasoning on them, or
with some Velveeta cheese,broccoli or what is the Vietnam,
right?
that is good, but just I neverliked them, but roasting them.
Oh, yeah.
Game changer.
And that has been like my easygo to just throw that shit on a
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roasting pan and call it a day.
And that's actually really good.
Yeah.
I thought I hated broccoli andthat I hated, Brussels sprouts,
especially when I was a kid, butI love those two things now.
Those are some of my favoritevegetables.
yeah.
But.
And making dinner too.
Cause that's the other thing,when we started working from
home, I think a lot of peoplestarted working more hours
because it felt like we had tobe on all the time, especially
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if you weren't used to workingfrom home, so a lot of people
were working and then you didn'thave time to really make food
and make meals.
And so it felt rushed.
and then it was just like, whatdo I do?
And it was late.
And so that was the other thingthat kind of contributed to just
that food burnout was beingstressed about it all the time.
What do I do?
Literally just us in our kitchenscreaming, what do I do?
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Holding up like dad bananas, onein each hand, throwing them
against the floor ground as hardas we can, then slipping on
them.
Oh, that's true.
So you brought up a good point.
Like today's kids, if they'reeating and scrolling, then it's
just almost like that whole foodis fuel thing.
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They're just intake it.
And I don't think they're reallyexperiencing it.
yeah, I wonder how that's gonnaaffect them.
that could be good though,because you're like, here, I
made dinner, and you just givethem your plate or your
sandwich, Sam, or whatever, andjust give them something good to
get.
I wish somebody would do thatfor me.
Yeah.
If anybody's, Jamie, I dad wantsto come over and, no.
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Listen, I made my own baby food.
It was organic and I made allthat shit.
I did all that shit.
what's wrong with you?
Truly gave her every, thatfucking child, the second she
had a McDonald's chicken nugget,it was over.
It was over.
Well, obviously.
She was like, shit now, I can'tget any nutrition in her at all.
It's just Hey.
She likes broccoli.
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She likes wet, steamed, plainflavorless broccoli.
That's true, but she's also apicky eater and also sensory
issues.
So it's just like watching itall over again.
The other one we were talkingabout is everyone made so much
fun of a girl dinner.
First of all, those bitches wereat least eating.
And second of all, it's like ahomemade charcuterie board of
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food.
It's just like a toddler dinner,this little bits of that.
It is toddler dinner.
We used to take an ice cube trayand just put like little bits of
different foods in them for herfor dinner.
So she could pick and snack andnot get tired or something.
That's what we do now forgrownups and it works and it's
my favorite dinner.
I live for toddler dinner.
I will eat like crackers andcheese with like apples, peanut
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butter, or like a few mandarinsor toast with like peanut butter
and honey or, just like the easystuff.
I would love to, I would love toget back to a place where
cooking doesn't feel like achore.
A chore.
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You know how, you kept talkingabout, you just, you're
obligated to, to do somethingand then you just dig in.
You're like, well, I don't wantto anymore.
It's like the defiance becausesomeone's telling you have to.
I want to get to a point whereyou cook for fun and you enjoy
it.
I love cooking.
I love cooking.
I hate baking.
I'm not a baker.
there are some things I willbake, but I'm not a baker.
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I hate it.
Not a big.
Fan, but cooking I love cookingand I do miss it, but it's just
like I don't have the capacityfor it right now I don't have
the I don't have the spoons tocook for myself right now.
But yeah, I to yearn To againenjoy cooking and honestly just
cook for myself again Yeah, thatwould be nice just cook food
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that you know, and it doesn'tfeel like it's oh god Someone
has to do this now Yeah, I don'tknow.
But yeah, that's that has justbeen and I didn't realize just
how much Food contributed tothat feeling of burnout until we
started really talking about it.
It takes up way more headspacethan I do think it does.
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Yeah Because it's not like oneof those it's not like drugs.
It's not like smoking.
It's not like drinking It's notlike something like that.
You can Try to get over try toquit like you have to eat to
exist You But it is almost likehaving to deal with it in an
addiction type way, especiallyagain, if you have history of
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eating disorders, it feels likethat a lot when you're
constantly thinking about itagain.
yeah.
I wonder if I wonder if myveganism actually contributed to
my like binge eating disorder.
I feel like it may have just thesecond is I found out Oreos were
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vegan.
If I was a vegan, I'd be like,it's fucking over.
Let's go and just eat a wholepackage of wine That's how it is
too.
Like we would always joke, we'dbe like, oh, let's go to this
restaurant and go eat some veganfat kid food because like they
have, a ton of restaurants thatit's like a vegan Big Mac, like
a vegan, vegan, fried Oreos,vegan donuts, vegan, this, just
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'cause it's vegan, I don't know.
But it was just so much.
My partner at the time said tome that, when I stopped being
vegan, and I was like, I'm justgoing to be vegetarian, he was
like, I, I'm really glad thatyou're not vegan anymore.
Because it was like, all youcould think about was like,
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okay, like what vegan food am Igoing to make?
Like I mentioned earlier, whatvegan food am I going to make?
Where are we going to go eat?
we would go on vacation and itwould be like, okay, now I got
to look at all the menus of allthese restaurants and find like
the best vegan option.
And what sounds good to me?
And so it was just, it may, it'san eating, like an eating
disorder, like veganism.
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Genuinely, I'm not being funny.
do you think it's cause it's asense of control?
And.
it's an obsession almost.
I understand where you're comingfrom.
I don't think veganism is aneating disorder.
I don't think veganism is reallyeven close to that.
But I think.
It can, like I said, contribute,if you're already on the edge or
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suffering from an eatingdisorder, I think it can
contribute.
anytime you're doing a dietarything, that's, for you, sorry, I
didn't mean Oh, for me, for you,do you feel like it was.
I know there's more, but did youfeel more?
It was just like a.
Like a control thing.
I want, and to this day, I do.
wish that I was vegan, butthat's just not what works for
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my body.
And that's not what works for myhealth, both mental and
physical.
So I don't do that.
And I truly believe everybody,all of us should eat what we
want.
And if we want to restrictcertain things, that's up to us,
that's fine, but we shouldn'tpush that on other people.
But I do think that it didcontribute to what I was feeling
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because I do remember likegetting cravings for like
cheese.
Well, that's the other messed upthing is I didn't even realize
what is that, like in cheesethat like actually is like, An
addictive, it's like the caseinor whatever.
I think that's what it's called,but it's in cheese and it's
actually like an, something thatyou can be addicted to.
So like cheese is literallyAddicting.
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good.
It should be.
I don't know.
Yeah.
it deserves it.
It deserves it.
I don't care.
There's something about that,having, I used to be better
about having stuff prepared, somaybe having some cooked
vegetables out, in the fridgethat I can just, toss in a plate
or bowl and, heat up, or rawveggies.
That's Mormons and Virgos,though.
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That kind of shit is for Mormonsand Virgos.
That's meal planning.
Yeah.
But like having, but having likefresh fruits and vegetables like
washed and like ready to eatinstead of just not ready and
then you have to work to preparethem, there's something to be
said about that for sure.
it takes a little bit ofpreparation and if you're just
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wiped out as oh, fuck, I don'twash berries.
Yeah.
And it's that's another thingtoo, is like the difference
between like you have a kid, youhave a husband, I currently live
alone, feeding yourself, like,talking about, like, I know
recipes, but my recipes are forlike an army of 40, cooking for
just one person is bonkers, butthat's another reason I did Blue
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Apron, because it was like twoperson, you could just do a two
person meal, and I loveleftovers, so basically I would
have two meals, So I would eatone when I made it and then eat
one the next day or in a coupleof days and that worked out
well.
But then the problem witheveryone else is then you have
to cater to everybody else'sneeds and what everybody else
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wants.
And then it's you're not evenall having the same thing for
dinner most nights, probably.
Oh my God.
They did an article a couple ofyears ago about the, what was
it?
Invisible mental load that womenhave in the house and it's just
like the mental exhaustion thatcomes from like Keeping the
house fucking running and I justthis is now it's like a no shit
(39:07):
thing But essentially that'sjust what this is and like it's
the mental exhaustion from likeit's just part of this How do we
keep everyone fed in the house?
How do we keep ourselves fed?
it's just a constant dial andit's invisible.
It's invisible mental labor,just like running the house and
keeping track mentally of like,how much soap do we have, how
much, dogs need to go to thevet, all this other shit that
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cleaning, cooking, drink yourwater, hydrate, take your meds,
take your other meds in themiddle of the day, take your
vitamins, take your meds atnight.
Get eight hours of sleep.
Sorry.
It's just no, it's exhausting totalk a lot about like Gen X
being neglected because they hadto drink from the hose.
But honestly, I get it.
If I had to keep track, I'd belike, you know what?
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Yeah, go fucking drink from thehose.
It's one last thing to thinkabout.
Yes.
I wish I could do meal prepping.
I just, I've done not mealprepping, but I've done like
just snack prepping.
Cause that's how I have to eatlately.
because it's just, but then youhave to eat it.
If you make it, you have to eatit.
And then what if you don't wantto eat it after you've made it?
You're like, I don't want thatanymore.
You have to like, figure outwhat you want to eat and then
(40:12):
also commit to eating it lateron.
Yeah.
But I'm more thinking ofprepping like my snacky snacks,
because she has a sinusinfection.
Okay.
I am so sorry.
I am so disgusting.
I just, I am.
Extremely sick and this is not aglow.
This is sweat.
so usually this is gorgeous.
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You look gorgeous.
Yeah.
yeah, Ash meal preps.
I remember talking to Ash aboutthat and I was so impressed and
I feel like Ash has beensticking with that for a long
time.
I used to do that.
I would make big batches of likesoups or stews or chili or
something like that, or stir fryand, I would, eat it throughout
the week, sometimes I'd have itfor lunch, sometimes I'd have it
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for dinner, whatever, and thenI'd freeze the rest, but then
the problem for me, for my ADHD,is, out of sight, out of mind,
so as soon as I freeze it and Iput it under stuff in my
freezer, which is, like, wherethings go to die, I never think
about it again until I find it,and I'm, like, oh, I'll eat this
sometimes, and I leave it inthere, I bet the majority of my
(41:16):
freezer right now I could justthrow out because it's stuff
that I froze probably threeyears ago that I've forgotten
about.
I'm not lying.
Since I started the ADHD meds,and I'm not like hungry all the
time, I will eat something, putit down, and then just wander
off, and I forget.
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Yeah.
And then I, What is, I'm soangry and I'm like, did I finish
eating?
And I'll go back and there's amuffin that's just sitting
moldering.
Yeah.
I found a donut once that I puton a plate intending to eat it
later on.
It's like for a week.
I just put it on a plate in thecupboard and then ate it.
In the cupboard?
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Yeah, because I was like, oh,I'll eat this later, and I
didn't.
You were like hiding it fromyour family.
Yeah, honestly, yes.
Okay.
Also, Tangent, the other fuckingexhausting thing is when you
have growing kids and teenagers,they eat everything, and so then
you have to go shopping again,where they eat all the good
stuff, and then you're out ofthat, so what you did want to
eat is gone, and then you haveto eat lesser food that you
didn't want to eat.
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Then you have to say, this ismine, like an asshole, or tell
them it's coffee flavored orthat there's wine in it.
That was the one I don't thinkI'm going to be able to use much
longer.
For my niece and nephew, we sayOh, that's for adults.
That's what we're using rightnow.
We say that's for adults.
It's like soda or it's likecoffee ice cream.
it's for adults.
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It's an adult snack.
It's an adult drink.
I know, but then secret stash inthe bedroom.
Yes.
Yes.
In the bathroom behind thetoilet paper.
It's easy, but then the foodjust like disappears.
Oh, and then because their kids,they don't tell you you're out
of something until it's toolate.
You're like, why didn't you say,Oh, I forgot.
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Do you think there are anyparents that like make their
kids, get their own food andmake all of their own food?
Like you have to go groceryshop.
Like, here's your, this is theamount of money you get.
Yes, they live in Japan.
Have you seen those shows wheremoms send two year olds to do
grocery shopping and they do itreally well?
Yeah, those kids have to go dothat, but also they're smarter
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than American teenagers.
But those aren't even teenagers,those are like I know, that's my
point.
That's your point, got it.
That's my point.
so yes, those moms, I don'tknow.
They also, also you can't sendthem to the store.
You know, like kidnapped or.
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Roboto is going to start goingon.
What is it?
Red note again and watchingbabies fall down in the snow
and.
I love watching toddlers dochores.
There's a toddler on there whoshowed you how to make okay,
this fucking kid.
Boiled water, he boiled waterand then he took eggs and Mixed
the eggs with chopsticks andthen took his little adorable
(44:06):
heatproof gloves and put thebowl of eggs in the boiling
water and then he put a lid onit and then he like picked it up
out of the boiling water and wasvery careful.
He didn't spill a drop.
He didn't burn himself.
I as an adult would have burnedmyself at like step three I 100
percent would burp myself, butthat's what I mean.
Yeah.
We really fucked up with ourkids because three year olds can
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make that snack.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
My three year old nephew, withyour old nephew, loads the
dishwasher and stuff.
He has done things where he's,helped take something out of the
oven with, the big oven mitts.
And it's so cute.
We should have like a freezer, afreezer cleaning body double,
because I just thought in myhead of all the shit that I have
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in my freezer that I forgot.
Oh, let's do that.
Yeah, I need to do that.
Well, because there are threebig things that I want to do.
And one I already told you is Ineed to purge my clothing.
I want to purge my bathroom andmy skincare and makeup.
that I don't really use much.
and I want, I need to purge myfreezer.
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My fridge is fine.
I did that not too long ago, butmy freezer, it's a whole lot of
yikes in there.
There's probably a ton ofsurprises.
Yeah.
There's a mom on TikTok, hername is Jess, and her handle I
think is aggressive tutorials,where she's just like, I gotta
make dinner again! Here we go!And she'll be like, it's frozen
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chicken from Costco, I don'tfucking care, they're eating!
And it's really refreshing, andshe's like, is it good?
Of course it is, because I madeit! And I'm like, yeah! And,
shortcuts are totally fine, andYeah! her videos are great, and
she's just annoyed the entiretime, and that's how I feel all
the time.
Because I feel like a bad momand a bad wife, because it's
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just I don't want to fuckingnourish you.
but that is like the patriarchyin a way that's true, but she's
just so good at it.
And so it's oh, yeah, we can useshortcuts.
So that has been for somereason, just super helpful to
something in my brain.
That's 1 of the reminders that Ineeded to is I need to be needed
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to be reminded that, frozenfruits and vegetables are still
fruits and vegetables andthey're going to carry pretty
much the same nutritional valueas if I bought fresh because, I
get the guilt where I'm like,you go grocery shopping and a
lot of times when I groceryshop.
Man, I'm like, I'm in like, I'mgoing to cook everything.
I'm going to eat everythingright mode.
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And so I'm like, I'm gonna getthese fruits and these veggies
and like fresh everything.
And I'm going to make the saladfour nights a week and stir fry
and do this and chop this andmeal prep, but it doesn't
happen.
That's because you takemedication to go grocery
shopping.
So you can, yeah.
And then you're not medicatedanymore.
But then it goes bad and then Ifeel guilty.
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Ash said that like frozen fruitsand veggies are picked at like
peak.
And they taste really good.
They really do.
Costco is, has been a gamechanger for shortcuts.
Truly.
Absolutely.
even they have like edamame thatyou can just microwave.
It's just like a good snack.
That's one of my go to's,honestly, because you can add it
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to anything.
I'll add it to I'll buy likepackaged ramen and I'll make
ramen and I'll put edamame init.
Like giant bags of frozen fruit.
I make smoothies out of them.
Oh, that's the other thing.
If you can't bring yourself toeat a fucking fruit and yogurt
smoothie every time hits a spot.
I feel good.
Cause it's not main lightingfreeze dried Skittles.
I'm like, okay, there's yogurtin here and there's nutrients of
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some kind in here.
And it doesn't make me want toshit my pants or barf.
And yeah, they're fast too.
So that has been my other greatshortcut and uncrustables giant
boxes of uncrustables.
I just had like before the show,I had a pre show uncrustable was
raspberry in case you'rewondering, which is the best
kind.
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I'm so glad you're on my sidewith raspberry because they're
the best.
I still need to try the likeCostco brand ones though.
I still haven't tried those.
I need to do a Costco ordersoon, but the Costco orders are
hard for me because I'm oneperson.
and I'll do it.
The other, if just eat it, soyou don't have to worry about
nutrition, just eat and nourishyourself is Snickers ice cream
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bars with chunky peanut butter,a spoonful of chunky peanut
butter, and you just put it oneach bite.
That's really good.
Yeah.
I haven't had it with peanutbutter, but I don't even like
Snickers, but like Snickers icecream bars, for some reason, I
can get behind that.
Those are so good.
For sure.
You absolutely need it.
PB and J.
(48:41):
Yeah.
Go make you a PB and J girl.
Oh, and eating weird things atthe wrong meals, the wrong, like
the wrong meals.
So like breakfast for dinner.
Oh yeah.
No.
Or like eating leftover Chinesefood for breakfast.
Pizza for breakfast.
Yeah.
Cause you get out of that, Oh,breakfast is sweet and cereal
mentality.
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And you're like, I'm going toeat something.
I actually want to eat.
that's been really helpful to,or French bread pizza.
BB and JI have to remember whatyou guys are saying is not for
me.
I'm straight up orderinggroceries and I'm like, girl,
you aren't burnt out.
You order your veggies I'm soglad Marina and I actually, I
think during the pandemic Marinaand I would get on Discord and
(49:25):
like before, after we playedgames or even just to talk and
we would do our grocery orderstogether.
Like we would compile ourgrocery orders and so like you
would It was like a grocerybrainstorm session, if you will,
because I would be like, Oh, I'mgoing to get Uncrustables and
then Marina would be like,Uncrustables sounds so good.
I'm also going to get morepeanut butter, and we just like,
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yeah, it was great.
String cheese.
Always a string cheese.
Grab and go string cheese and anapple.
Cheese with an apple, you guys.
So good.
I also hated grocery shoppingfor the longest time.
I think one of the big thingswith the pandemic is just it the
germs and having the sick kidthat just really fucked me up
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for a long time but the gamechanger was wearing earbuds at
the store and listening to apodcast and shopping and that
way like it keeps my Like my, mygerm anxiety under control, I
don't have to look at people orinteract with people and I can
just do something I'm enjoyingto a podcast while doing
(50:29):
something.
Is that like romanticizing yourlife?
Is that kind of what that'slike?
I never really get theromanticizing your life thing.
No, that's dissociating inpublic.
Are you fucking talking aboutromanticizing your fucking life?
No.
I don't know.
I don't really understand whatthat means.
I don't.
I don't get it.
This is not in a way thatdoesn't alarm anyone else around
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you.
Oh my god, Marina said so manyReba Fritos, oh.
Our friend Shamee Winehouse, whoused to stream, had a, it was a
Fritos commercial, and it wasReba McIntyre, and she was like
singing her song, but it was theThe twisty, what is it?
The barbecue, honey barbecue.
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Oh, now I need those.
I'm probably gonna, I might bedoing a grocery order.
Maybe at the end of the show, weall just do a grocery order.
Have you put nacho cheese onthem and eat them?
what?
That's too much.
I feel like that's too much.
Okay.
I did order, Auntie Anne'spretzel nuggets and a frozen
lemonade for dinner the othernight delivery.
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So I literally made a person goto a mall and pick this up for
me and bring it to me.
Kevin's meals are at Costco.
they're delicious.
I love them so much.
Wait, what are Kevin's meals?
I don't know, Kevin just made abunch of like ready to go food
that I mean Who's Kevin?
They have everything.
I don't know, but he's at Costcoand he has meals and it's like
(51:56):
food that everyone Oh.
I don't know.
Okay.
Yeah, but they have food foreverybody.
Okay.
I need to check that out thenwith my Costco order.
Speaking of being sick, by theway, also, I think it's totally
okay to say.
Just fucking order your dinnerif you're sick.
Just do it.
It's fine.
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Even if you're not sick, it'sokay to order dinner.
It's always okay to orderdinner.
If you're just the type ofperson who you're like, that's
too much extra money for me tospend to get it delivered or
whatever, that's fine.
But don't knock like otherpeople who do it and just do
you.
Like everybody should be eatinghow and when and what they want
(52:38):
and need.
And like I've said before Peanutbutter, mustard, and pickled
sandwiches.
What was that Rebecca?
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, sorry.
but yeah, and as I've saidmultiple times on this podcast,
as we've said, your body isnobody else's business.
What you eat is nobody else'sbusiness.
you need a better pickle in thesandwich.
Don't let people what?
(53:00):
What was that?
Huh?
Oh, I thought I heard you saysomething.
That's weird.
No, I didn't.
need to order vegan hot dogs.
What's that, Jamie?
I need to order vegan hot dogs?
Yes.
Yes, please.
Vegan hot dogs.
Ah! I don't know what'shappening, but My dogs are
fucking amazing for dinner.
(53:21):
Oh, dude, I will slice up mylittle vegan wieners and I'll
throw them in a frying pan andjust give them a good little fry
and cook them that way.
And then I will throw them inmac and cheese.
And my favorite mac and cheeseto get, I was telling somebody
about this recently is theGoodles because it has extra
protein and they're alsodelicious.
Like I think Goodles mac andcheese is really good.
(53:43):
I maybe I'm weird.
I don't know, but it's.
Amazing.
But don't get the cacio e pepekind, because that's disgusting.
I think before we wrap this up,we are serious whenever we say
during, before we have a break,Hey, go get a snack, stay
hydrated, take your meds becausewe need that out loud reminder.
and if we need it, then I'mguessing a lot of other people
(54:05):
out there are doing the samething.
So it's not as being funny, it'sus just saying it out loud to
remind ourself, remind otherpeople.
Yeah, should we take a break?
Is that what that segue was?
Oh, no, I just, I, did we reachthe end of our, I thought we
reached the end of our outline.
Oh, I don't even, I honestlyhaven't even been looking at it.
I feel like just whenever, I,well, I like it because I glance
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at it, but usually the wholething I don't.
oh yeah, Lunchables grilledcheese.
I still haven't tried it, youguys.
Has anybody tried Lunchablesgrilled cheese that you can just
pop in the toaster?
We need to know.
Message us.
Did your mom ever have thatsandwich maker?
It was like an electric, I thinkit was sunbeam, it was white and
it was electric and you wouldput bread in there and then
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whatever fillings and then itwould just like it was like an
incrustable where it would justseal the edges and then actually
it was an OG Hot Pocket beforeHot Pockets existed.
but it would make the outs, itwas like a panini press but it
would just like it made thesetriangle pieces of bread with
shit in the middle of it.
That was molten and that soundslike a luxury that my family
(55:13):
would never be able to have.
Oh, sounds very luxurious.
It really wasn't.
I promise you, you did not missout on anything.
There, hold on, there are, whatis a panini press?
Oh, was it the panini press?
There are little panini bags youcan put sandwiches in and then
(55:35):
drop them in the toaster in thebag.
Forming grills with panini pressis brilliant.
Trying to think of other likefood hacks I would do.
So like for frozen things, Iactually, I will microwave.
So if I'm making vegan chickennuggets, I will microwave them
just for a little bit.
So they're thawed, or mostlythawed at least, and then I will
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put them in the toaster to crispthem up.
Because it won't, becausethey're, then they're cooked
through, but then the toaster iscrisping them.
thank you.
The air fryer has been agodsend.
If you don't have a toasteroven, the air fryer is it makes
things so quickly.
It's delicious.
It's always crispy.
Thank you again.
we'll see you guys next week,Thursday, 5 PM.
Pacific, thank you for hangingout.
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Is that kind of what that'slike?
I never really get theromanticizing your life thing.
No, that's dissociating inpublic.
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I'm Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.
Hey! Hey, everybody.
We're here.
Oh, yeah, announcement Buffyreboot incoming.
(00:31):
yeah, that pretty much made ourlast what?
7 years.
Joss Whedon has nothing to dowith it and Sarah Michelle
Gellar will be like the theGiles to this new Slayer.
I wonder if it's going to beDawn.
That's very exciting.
part of me is still kind ofunsure about dawn.
I'm still kind of like, I mean,yes.
Okay.
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But it hits different watchingit as an adult than it did as a
kid.
She was so whiny when you were akid, but as an adult, you're
like, Oh my God, this child isneglected.
yeah, so we're in your podcastapps.
This is just another reminder.
honestly, if you listen to us onTwitch and join us on Twitch
(01:13):
live and are like, I'm not goingto listen to the episodes on
iTunes or Spotify, that's fine,but please go and follow us on
whichever podcast app you useand hit the follow button, which
is apparently subscribe and,give us a rating.
Preferably five stars, but ifyou are dissatisfied.
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There's also a line you cantext.
Nobody's used it yet.
I don't think anybody's noticed.
But you can text us things.
And they send pictures.
I don't know.
I haven't tried it.
So somebody go ahead and givethat a try..
Why did we not think thatquestion at all until right now?
we know we said that we weregoing to have a guest again.
(01:54):
the itis has gotten everyone.
It is all I see.
So the itis has gotten everyone.
So we're going to try again wheneveryone feeling better.
Myself included, so what are wetalking about today, Rebecca?
We are talking about maybe oneof my number one burnout topics.
Don't you dare fucking ask mewhat is for dinner one more
(02:14):
time.
Talking about food.
Yeah.
I didn't realize just how burntout we had been on food until.
Probably a couple years ago whenI was just like having a
meltdown, Rob was like, what arewe gonna have for dinner?
I don't fucking care.
I don't care.
I don't care.
And since then, he's never askedher again.
Have you Rob?
(02:35):
Never asked again.
I love this topic.
Yes.
I have gluttonous fatigue.
I feel this deeply..
We're doing a trigger warning.
We will be talking about food ifthat It's not something you want
to hear about or don't feel goodabout.
Totally understand.
Feel free to come back for adifferent episode.
(02:55):
That is not something that makesyou feel uncomfortable.
we will be touching lightly on90s eating disorders, which
pretty much every child born in1980 has.
At some point.
Yeah.
it's not a My Special episode,but just in case that's
something that makes you feel alittle squiggy, then just wanted
to let you know.
Yeah.
and we do love food overall.
Like we do love it.
(03:16):
Food's great.
Two thumbs up.
Food is great.
yeah, but we'll definitely giveanother little trigger warning
if we are, if and when we dotouch lightly on eating
disorders.
but other than that, there's notgoing to be much talk about it.
Yeah, so this was my idea.
and I realized just how much Iwas sick of thinking and talking
(03:37):
about food, probably midpandemic.
I didn't realize just, and thiswas like when it happened and,
restaurants weren't reallydelivering, you couldn't get,
you couldn't really go out,DoorDash wasn't in the area.
that ramped up really quickly,but in the six months that we
didn't have it, it was just likestaring into the refrigerator
space and be like, I can't, Ihave never spent this much time
(03:57):
in my life thinking this muchabout food and how to get it and
where to get it.
and it was just exhausting,especially cause you couldn't go
shopping.
and they ran out of a lot oflike safe foods, like peanut
butter.
So it was just, all consuming atone point.
Oh my god, that was a pun.
It was an all consuming, just,obsession at one point, and I
(04:21):
just got sick of thinking about,and just, and I, someone who
loves to eat food, lost all ofits appeal, really quickly, and
has continued to be somewhatunappealing since then.
Yeah, that, that happened to mesince I started ADHD meds.
And, I was on Vyvanse for awhile.
And I do think I'm trying todecide, I do think Vyvanse was
(04:43):
way worse for my appetite thanAdderall, which is what I'm on
now.
but definitely both still verymuch affect me.
so sometimes there are thingsthat, We got to do to get our
appetite back or, we have to eatthe same foods over and over.
Cause that's the only thingthat's tasting good to us that,
that week or that month even.
(05:03):
And one of the funny things wewere thinking about yesterday,
we were talking, with our friendPat was for kids who grew up in
the nineties, there was so muchweird shit that we were given as
children to eat that like wehave never seen again.
We didn't even really grow upwith a concept of food food.
I'm gonna throw out greenketchup, sorry, purple ketchup.
I don't need everything that wasfilled with I think Gushers came
(05:25):
out then.
Every weird flavored milk.
When did Lunchables come out?
When did those first come out?
The 90s?
It feels I feel like they'vealways been there.
But yeah, Lunchables, which, Ido making my own Lunchables now.
Yeah.
So we just had all this weird,like convenience food.
Oh, the toaster strudels thatcame out and then they had the,
(05:46):
like this, the hot pockets.
So everything was just really,and plus if you had boomer
parents who grew up in theMidwest, a lot of shit just came
out from a can or from amicrowavable bag.
Yeah.
Which, but, which is fine.
if that's what you're gonna eat,that's what you eat.
(06:07):
Yeah.
I'm just saying, we didn'texactly learn how to cook actual
real food from any of that,Yeah, very true.
And we were released into thewild and suddenly in charge of
feeding ourselves.
It's oh shit, I don't know howto do this.
Yeah, lots of crock pot stuff Iknew how to make, and the only
other thing I knew how to makewas spaghetti sauce for 20
people.
I'm like, oh, true.
(06:28):
That's what I do.
I do have a lot of recipes forRebecca's favorite soup,
different soups and chili.
Do you like chili?
Is chili a soup to you?
Yes, it's a soup.
Yeah.
I can't imagine you likingchili.
That's just strange.
You are a very strangeindividual.
Chili is more of a stew.
I can't get that.
Canned spinach.
(06:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's disgusting.
you can't spell stew withoutyou.
So there you go.
But what's your I mean, like,how are you going to define a
stew then?
Cause soup to you, you're like,oh, it's just like wet
vegetables.
What's a stew?
Stew is soup you have to chew.
(07:11):
It's wet, chewy, wet vegetables.
It's chewy, wet vegetables thatyou have to chew in order to get
it down.
Rebecca doesn't hear that.
And I'm so pleased becauseshe'll just hear it when she
edits his audio later.
Look forward to it.
but yeah, so that was thegenesis of this and we've
(07:32):
definitely gotten a lot better,but, I think 1 of the other
issues was we were living in anarea in Phoenix where, they
didn't have instacart servicesyet.
They didn't have door dashservices yet.
Again, that quickly changed, butfor a while, it's just oh, what
do we do?
What do we do?
What do we do?
I like this.
Do you guys think you'll make aburnout cookbook?
For like, easy meals?
(07:53):
Or is it such an off puttingtopic that it sounds awful?
No, but it would literally belike, get some cheese out of the
drawer, sniff it to make sureit's still good, and then you're
good to go.
Put it on a cold tortilla, putit in the microwave for 30
seconds, and then slice an appleand eat it with a spoonful of
(08:15):
peanut butter.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Nutrition maybe we'll do like adigital download where it's just
like-free and it's funny.
With the pandemic, we didn'trealize how much socializing and
community was based around food.
So my, my family is German,Italian.
So food is everything.
(08:38):
all of the activities we doinvolve food and then when we
couldn't see each other.
food became unappealing and thefact that it was like depressing
because you were eating it alonelike the first thanksgiving
eating without family it's likeusually something that you're
excited about it was just such abummer yeah to eat because it
was like looking at somethingthat could have been but wasn't
(08:59):
then like food is suchdepressing yeah and food is such
a big just like cultural thingfor so many different groups of
people And it does meancommunity and it is a big deal,
feeding yourself and feedingloved ones.
I think that's it's a joke in myfamily where my grandma, my
(09:22):
mom's mom, and my mom and me, ifyou come over like I will
probably be asking you way toomany times if I can get you
something to eat or drink,because it's like, are you sure?
Are you sure?
Because, I want to take care ofyou.
I want to feed you.
I want to give you all thebeverages for your beverage
goblin needs, I want you to feelat home.
I want you to be comfortable,and I want you to be fulfilled,
(09:44):
That sounds weird, but, Yeah,the other thing was having all
your safe.
I think I mentioned earlierhaving all like the safe foods
unavailable.
so with IBS, it's reallydifficult to, I have a very set
amount of food that I can eatand bread or peanut butter, like
easy stuff that everyone wantedand was gone.
(10:05):
And then there was a recall onJeff.
Which, things were bad, and Ithink I lost my shit more than I
should have, but that kind ofput me over the edge.
Did you try a different peanutbutter, and you were just like,
it was not it?
No, and that's when the autismsensory meltdown happened,
because it tasted weird andsmelled weird and looked weird
(10:26):
and wasn't what I was used to.
But that was a big thing, it wasthe, it was, Everything else is
so up in the air.
You can't even control whatyou're eating.
Oh my God.
And it was just, it was crazy.
I also did I don't know if youdid this, but I remember during
the pandemic, there was likebartering like Ruth and I, she
(10:49):
lives close.
My friend Ruth lives close tome.
So because they were out of abunch of things, I remember like
we would go for a walk and meetlike halfway between our
apartments, like in our masks.
And I think even on Cinco deMayo or something, we both
poured, made margarita in a togo cup and walked and met each
other and like cheers on thesidewalk to drink our margaritas
(11:11):
and then walk out.
but we would barter.
So I remember literally bringingher like a packet or two of
yeast.
And then, she gave me sometoilet paper because we were,
like, out of toilet paper.
We got us a prison.
Yeah, we were.
We were, like, bartering.
I'm like, how many packs ofcigarettes, do you want for this
flower?
it was ridiculous.
(11:32):
It was silly, but it's just,thinking back now, I can laugh
about it, but yeah, back duringthe pandemic, that was insane.
That's when we, right around, wefound Imperfect Foods, which has
been a game changer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've tried the meal deliveryservices, but again, with
(11:52):
Arizona, like the heat was justnot great for that, but the
perfect foods was, it was alittle bit better because they
packed with cold stuff, but thatwas great because I'm going to
have to go to the grocery store.
And that's also just been a gamechanger, even now, or it's just
I don't want to go to the store,but, once that all became
available, that kind of madethings easier.
But then again, it was stilllike, fuck, I still have to cook
(12:12):
my own food.
I still have to deal with this.
Yeah.
We used to go to mutual parkinglot and sit across from each
other in lawn chairs and drinkmargs.
I did that with Ruth.
We went out, we met in on like aparking lot that was actually on
the roof of some grocery storesand stuff nearby and we just
went and then leaned against ourcars and hung out and like I
(12:35):
think we ate dinner together orsomething like we had our dinner
with us and we ate dinner andtalked like because you missed
that and like I mean she wasliving with her boyfriend but
like I was living alone I wascompletely alone beside like my
cat so Needed, to get thatcommunity a little bit
somewhere.
We still socially distanced and,wore masks when we weren't
(12:58):
eating or drinking, but, Yeah,just some bonkers things we did
during that time.
And then everyone who had theircoping mechanisms taken away
from them and were suddenlyrealizing that they were, in
fact, ADHD, got put onmedication, and then that was a
whole weird thing because thenit was just, For just not even
(13:20):
not hungry.
It was just the thought of foodwas nauseating, but then you
still have to feed the people inyour house and, you still have
to eat because.
living and that was just thatjust made a whole other like
weird layer of weird feelingsabout food on top of it.
Yeah and then there's otherlayers too if you're vegan or
(13:42):
vegetarian but no seriously thataside different dietary
restrictions like celiac havingto work around that having to
work around that going out so Ishould make vegan, an alert and
it'll pop up with all the veganemojis or something.
We'll do that for next time.
Yeah.
And I think the other thing wetalked about was it was, so I
(14:07):
think it's when I was 11, my momtaught me how to count Weight
watchers points and taught mehow to count food weight
watchers points.
And so since then, I have alwayshad this running tally of food
in the back of my head, likeconstantly, it has just been
constant and getting older andgrowing out of it, it had been
hard, but I had started to doit.
(14:28):
And then again, having to be sofocused, focused on food, where
it was coming from, how you'regoing to get it, what you're
going to make it.
really just brought that back upagain and it felt bad to be
thinking about food that muchand like you were obsessing over
it again.
Well, also that's when like youlearn and that's a big part of,
(14:51):
I think, definitely food traumathat I have, but I think many
people have is growing up withthat.
And there are foods that arelike, that are good and bad, Oh,
don't eat a donut for breakfast.
That's bad.
like you should eat You know,oatmeal for breakfast or like
(15:13):
fresh fruit and Greek yogurtwith extra protein.
And this is good and this isbad.
And so that's definitelysomething that I think I'm still
working through and it's hard towork through because society
still does that.
Like society is still telling usthat foods are good and foods
are bad.
And I've been working withmyself and like my own trauma
surrounding, eating and food andhonestly eating disorders like
(15:37):
and just food is morally neutralyeah yes exactly food is morally
neutral and just feed yourselflike don't focus so much on What
you've been told or what, orthe, like the calories or the
fat or whatever.
(15:58):
if you're gonna eat a McDonald'sburger for breakfast, because
that's the only thing you cankeep down.
That's the only thing thatdoesn't make you feel miserable.
go for it.
that's what you should eat.
I think it's different with akid that like dealing all this
with a kid who was growing andknowing you had to provide them
(16:18):
actual nutrition and.
What did I say?
I said the pandemic put a gun toour head as far as eating went.
It really did.
It's what are we eating and whenare we eating and how are we
doing it and where are we doingit and how, like, how are we
doing it?
It was just That's that's whatbeing vegan is like all the
time, by the way.
You're always like, where's mynext vegan meal coming from?
(16:42):
You're like, where am I going toeat?
What's my next vegan thing I'mgoing to eat?
I'm serious.
No, you don't get, heaven pointsfor that, right?
you're not going to get extracredit.
I'm just saying, you don't haveto do that.
I do it for you, anyway, cheeseis great.
I agree, cheese is great.
(17:02):
But yeah, so it held a gun toyour head, and knowing that you
had to come up with this, whenalso dealing with suddenly
working from home, and the majorworry about everything that was
going on.
And I think I mentioned earlier,like my kid had gotten out of
the hospital.
She had been really sick.
So all this kind of compiled ontop of each other.
And I remember yelling at myhusband, don't fucking ask me
(17:24):
what's for dinner.
I swear to God, don't ask me,don't ask me.
I don't want to talk aboutdinner.
I'm like, I finally be like,you're in charge.
I don't want to talk about foodanymore.
And it was great actually was, Idon't know why I didn't put him
in charge earlier, but havinghim in charge of stuff.
Which, by the way, was maddeningbecause when we did do the meal
kits, that fucker would makethem look like the recipe cards.
(17:48):
Mine always That's me.
you tried version of it, but hiswas like, he's I'm going to play
this.
And then he would wipe the edgeswith a damp cloth.
So there weren't any smears anddo the sauce.
And where's Rob's hidden foodporn Instagram.
I need to find a, it wasinfuriating.
It was infuriating.
So good.
Yeah.
I.
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Yeah, I was just going to say, Idid meal services for a little
while.
I did purple carrot, which was,for a little while, but then I
also did, blue apron, and Ileaned more toward blue apron
just cause I liked the recipesbetter and I just kept it.
I kept my subscription active,but you can always like skip
weeks.
So I would just go through and Iwould like skip.
(18:32):
all the next like week or two orwhatever was available.
And then once in a while I'd gointo the app and be like, Oh,
does anything look good?
if they had anything on the menuthat I'm like, excuse me.
Oh, I really liked that.
I'll get it this week or I'llget it next week.
And I did that for a while.
And that actually helped me likeblue apron for a long time,
helped me eat because, I mighteven be due to do that sometime
(18:54):
soon, just because I can'tremember the last time I've
really cooked myself a meal.
it's been, everyone knows my,everyone knows by now my journey
with my depression house anddefinitely made major progress
on it before this.
past weekend, by the way, sofeeling really good about that,
even though I have work to do.
but I think I might be due forthat because it's just I didn't
(19:17):
have room to cook for myself.
And I didn't have room to cookfor myself in many senses of
that.
I didn't have room mentally.
I didn't have room physicallybecause like my counter space
was all covered or I still hadpots and pans stocked on my
stove.
Didn't have like enough cleandishes or pots and pans
sometimes to do it.
(19:38):
The other thing was we talkedabout, it was literally the need
to eat your feelings anddepression, anxiety, but also
being canceled out by the ADHDmeds.
So you just ended up eatingreally weird shit.
That sounded good.
Like peppermint ice cream formonths.
That's all I ate.
Cause that just was the onlything that didn't make me want
(19:59):
to barf.
I could eat a lot of it.
And then not feel sick, And thenI just didn't want to look at it
anymore ever again.
A peanut butter and a pickle andmustard sandwich, for example,
did that during the pandemic.
I remember that and that was areally hard part of our
friendship.
That was a really difficulttime.
You guys, I was doing like live,I was like live, doing live
(20:22):
Instagram stories about thissandwich because people had told
me to try it.
And I tried to make it, but,then, I lost my train of
thought.
Oh, so I was doing like livestories of it on Instagram and
during while I was making them,I, my videos are interrupted
because I'm getting spam callsfrom Rebecca telling me, don't
(20:42):
you eat that?
Jamie, what are you doing?
I swear to God, don't eat that.
But I did and it was good.
I just wanted to be able to saythat I was that friend who told
you don't do it.
Don't do it.
It was good.
I don't regret it.
I have no regrets.
It's a good story.
That was just really hard.
It was a really hard time justwatching you eat that shit.
(21:04):
That makes the glands in theback of my neck stand up, by the
way.
Just, thinking about thatsandwich.
Well, I'm so glad I could bringthis up for you.
No, but With the sensory stuff,when you have safe foods and
when you're very picky eater,that was another, that's the
other exhausting thing.
Like everything else aside, ifyou're a picky eater or you grew
(21:24):
up as a picky eater kid, oragain, like really limited to
how much you can eat, that's awhole other fucking nightmare to
deal with on top of everythingelse.
we talked about eating the onlyfoods that we can stand at
certain times, but also eatingso much of something that you
can't possibly look at it, muchless eat it ever again.
(21:48):
and Chinese food for monthsrecently has been my like, I
don't know why Chinese food, itjust has hit certain part of my
brain and, it's been months ofit.
I think some I recently, likewith, within the last few
months.
I, mine was, there were thesemashed potatoes.
(22:08):
from this very specificsteakhouse and I would order
them delivery and I think Iordered them for delivery like
three or four nights in a row,one week.
I think they were like, AlGroton mashed potatoes.
but they were just so good.
And I was like, Oh, this isperfect.
And this is what I need.
(22:29):
And so I would get that and Idon't know what else I got from
there.
Probably just like a side ofbroccoli or Brussels sprouts or
something.
But I just kept ordering that.
And I was like, yes, thank you.
I didn't get sick of it though.
I just stopped eating it, but mystory of something that I got
sick of, when I was about 11, 10or 11, my family went to Disney
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World for the first and onlytime and we had a seven
passenger minivan.
And it was my whole family,which is five people and my
grandparents.
So seven passengers, sevenpassenger van, seven people.
We drove from Michigan.
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To Florida.
That was an adventure.
but because my family is sofrugal, we didn't want to stop a
lot.
sure.
Yeah, we did stop.
We would stop and get like fastfood once in a while, like on
road trips and stuff like that.
But, when we went to the park,Oh, the park foods way too
expensive.
Like we can't.
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We can't buy park food.
So my mom decided, that she wasgonna make sandwiches and like
the hotel we were staying in andwhich had a little kitchenette,
I'm sure.
And, made sandwiches for us.
wrap them up, put them in acooler, put them in the back of
the van, and when we were hungrywe would go out to the parking
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lot and we would eat oursandwiches.
And we did that every day wewere there.
I could not look at anothersandwich without wanting to
throw up for such a long time.
it got so bad that when we gotback, I'm trying to think how
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many days, I think it was like,I don't know, anywhere from
three or four or five days.
When we got back from the trip,when we got back from Disney
World, I would get sent toschool with my lunch and I
always got a sandwich.
He's got a sandwich in my lunch.
I.
For some reason, probablybecause I'm like such like the
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perfect amazing angel child, Ididn't want to hurt my mom's
feelings.
I didn't want to say pleasedon't pack me a sandwich in my
lunch.
I don't want to look atsandwiches anymore.
I can't after Disney World andeating sandwiches in the parking
lot every day.
that I just let I just didn'tsay anything.
And I think for a while I wouldsave them and be like, Oh, maybe
I'll eat it the next day.
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But then it was gross and Iwouldn't eat it the next day.
So I just started throwing themout.
So then I am feeling guiltyabout it, but still throwing
them out.
So I threw away my sandwich.
My mom would make an entiresandwich every day and throw it
out, throw it out.
I'm pretty sure I probably waslike crying one day.
And I was like, Mom, I have totell you, I've been throwing my
sandwich out every day becauseever since Disney world, I can't
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eat another sandwich.
But everybody will be pleased toknow that I love sandwiches to
this day and, can eat themagain.
So that's my story.
I applaud your honesty andintegrity.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you..
Tangent, like tangential thoughto this, throwing away our
sandwiches at school.
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We did talk a lot about,especially growing up in the
90s, and being surrounded, oh mygod, constantly by the teeniest,
tiniest people ever on every,trigger warning, a little bit
of, eating disorder talk.
And it would just be like, butalso milk.
the skinniest people, but also,All the milk ads in the, also
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with milk mustaches.
Yeah.
Skinny people with milkmustaches.
that's how we jam.
We ate and we drank so muchmilk.
but it was just, and then allthe clothes were also tiny, so
the low rise jeans, the croptops, the, I don't even know.
So you had to be teen and daddyand you couldn't eat.
and anyone who looked remotely,I would walk home from school
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and there was a boy who would,Walk behind me going dun and he
would sing the whale song withanother guy that they had made
up and they called me thunderthighs and just after I know I
just was normal girls.
I've got thunder thighs.
Hi.
But it was like just normalsize.
But yeah, it was the late 90s,early 2000s.
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And so That scene in Mean Girlswhere she's Whatever, I'm gonna
have cheese fries.
I laughed really hard because wewould throw away the lunches our
parents gave us and then get,mozzarella sticks and Diet Coke
or cheese fries and Diet Cokeand, split it amongst us and
we'd each have one chickennugget.
We ate as little food aspossible and then the food we
did eat was shit.
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Or hot Cheetos.
That was the other one.
And it's like Cheetos and sourcandy.
And our parents like packed usthese like nutritious, like good
lunches really.
But then it's just but then no,but then it's just I'm not going
to eat that.
I'm not going to eat thatbecause that's too much food.
I'm gonna get cheese fries.
It's okay, you do you.
Sam said, As a dad, I'd like tomake a case for the dad
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sandwiches.
We make them better because weadd on more than needed.
Hence much more of the goodstuff.
Well, no, you add on the stuffthat needs to be used up from
the refrigerator, like theapricot or cherry jam.
Other tangent, the dad banana.
It is great to have a dad aroundthe house.
I'm sorry, what?
The dad banana.
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Like when you get the bananasthat are perfect.
Oh, yeah, and are good.
And then they start turning toyellow.
And then they get like spots onthem and then there's that one
shitty ass banana left and theonly person in the house will
eat it is the dad.
Yeah, except now.
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I cut them in half and I freezethem and make them into
smoothies or banana bread.
I don't know if it was justgrowing up where we did or just
that certain age, but therewasn't a whole lot of focus on.
On like food and how to cook.
And it was just a lot ofconvenience food, which, because
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a lot of moms had gone back towork then.
Right.
and so they weren't a lot ofmoms weren't at home anymore.
And so they had to be their kidsand they fed their kids
convenient food.
And so a lot of what we had wasquick and fast and convenient,
which is totally great.
But again, as an adult, sounprepared and her mom had, my
mom was a boomer, her mom,everything.
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when my mom's little came fromlike a can so a lot of like
canned things or shelf stablebecause they had the depression
era mentality and so therewasn't a whole lot of fresh
fruits and vegetables and so notbeing exposed to a wide variety
of food either it didn't helpwith that picky eating thing.
Yeah I always think I'm notreally that picky of an eater
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but I guess I am picky becauselike I also I'm vegetarian, but
like, I'm weird aboutvegetables.
I won't eat onions, won't eatmushrooms except on pizza.
Or possibly roasted dude.
Roasting changed roasting hasbeen the slimy mushrooms.
No cooking food for chicken andput it on a roasting pan.
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That has been as someone whogrew up eating like microwaved
or steamed vegetables with nofat or seasoning on them, or
with some Velveeta cheese,broccoli or what is the Vietnam,
right?
that is good, but just I neverliked them, but roasting them.
Oh, yeah.
Game changer.
And that has been like my easygo to just throw that shit on a
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roasting pan and call it a day.
And that's actually really good.
Yeah.
I thought I hated broccoli andthat I hated, Brussels sprouts,
especially when I was a kid, butI love those two things now.
Those are some of my favoritevegetables.
yeah.
But.
And making dinner too.
Cause that's the other thing,when we started working from
home, I think a lot of peoplestarted working more hours
because it felt like we had tobe on all the time, especially
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if you weren't used to workingfrom home, so a lot of people
were working and then you didn'thave time to really make food
and make meals.
And so it felt rushed.
and then it was just like, whatdo I do?
And it was late.
And so that was the other thingthat kind of contributed to just
that food burnout was beingstressed about it all the time.
What do I do?
Literally just us in our kitchenscreaming, what do I do?
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Holding up like dad bananas, onein each hand, throwing them
against the floor ground as hardas we can, then slipping on
them.
Oh, that's true.
So you brought up a good point.
Like today's kids, if they'reeating and scrolling, then it's
just almost like that whole foodis fuel thing.
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They're just intake it.
And I don't think they're reallyexperiencing it.
yeah, I wonder how that's gonnaaffect them.
that could be good though,because you're like, here, I
made dinner, and you just givethem your plate or your
sandwich, Sam, or whatever, andjust give them something good to
get.
I wish somebody would do thatfor me.
Yeah.
If anybody's, Jamie, I dad wantsto come over and, no.
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Listen, I made my own baby food.
It was organic and I made allthat shit.
I did all that shit.
what's wrong with you?
Truly gave her every, thatfucking child, the second she
had a McDonald's chicken nugget,it was over.
It was over.
Well, obviously.
She was like, shit now, I can'tget any nutrition in her at all.
It's just Hey.
She likes broccoli.
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She likes wet, steamed, plainflavorless broccoli.
That's true, but she's also apicky eater and also sensory
issues.
So it's just like watching itall over again.
The other one we were talkingabout is everyone made so much
fun of a girl dinner.
First of all, those bitches wereat least eating.
And second of all, it's like ahomemade charcuterie board of
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food.
It's just like a toddler dinner,this little bits of that.
It is toddler dinner.
We used to take an ice cube trayand just put like little bits of
different foods in them for herfor dinner.
So she could pick and snack andnot get tired or something.
That's what we do now forgrownups and it works and it's
my favorite dinner.
I live for toddler dinner.
I will eat like crackers andcheese with like apples, peanut
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butter, or like a few mandarinsor toast with like peanut butter
and honey or, just like the easystuff.
I would love to, I would love toget back to a place where
cooking doesn't feel like achore.
A chore.
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You know how, you kept talkingabout, you just, you're
obligated to, to do somethingand then you just dig in.
You're like, well, I don't wantto anymore.
It's like the defiance becausesomeone's telling you have to.
I want to get to a point whereyou cook for fun and you enjoy
it.
I love cooking.
I love cooking.
I hate baking.
I'm not a baker.
there are some things I willbake, but I'm not a baker.
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I hate it.
Not a big.
Fan, but cooking I love cookingand I do miss it, but it's just
like I don't have the capacityfor it right now I don't have
the I don't have the spoons tocook for myself right now.
But yeah, I to yearn To againenjoy cooking and honestly just
cook for myself again Yeah, thatwould be nice just cook food
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that you know, and it doesn'tfeel like it's oh god Someone
has to do this now Yeah, I don'tknow.
But yeah, that's that has justbeen and I didn't realize just
how much Food contributed tothat feeling of burnout until we
started really talking about it.
It takes up way more headspacethan I do think it does.
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Yeah Because it's not like oneof those it's not like drugs.
It's not like smoking.
It's not like drinking It's notlike something like that.
You can Try to get over try toquit like you have to eat to
exist You But it is almost likehaving to deal with it in an
addiction type way, especiallyagain, if you have history of
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eating disorders, it feels likethat a lot when you're
constantly thinking about itagain.
yeah.
I wonder if I wonder if myveganism actually contributed to
my like binge eating disorder.
I feel like it may have just thesecond is I found out Oreos were
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vegan.
If I was a vegan, I'd be like,it's fucking over.
Let's go and just eat a wholepackage of wine That's how it is
too.
Like we would always joke, we'dbe like, oh, let's go to this
restaurant and go eat some veganfat kid food because like they
have, a ton of restaurants thatit's like a vegan Big Mac, like
a vegan, vegan, fried Oreos,vegan donuts, vegan, this, just
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'cause it's vegan, I don't know.
But it was just so much.
My partner at the time said tome that, when I stopped being
vegan, and I was like, I'm justgoing to be vegetarian, he was
like, I, I'm really glad thatyou're not vegan anymore.
Because it was like, all youcould think about was like,
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okay, like what vegan food am Igoing to make?
Like I mentioned earlier, whatvegan food am I going to make?
Where are we going to go eat?
we would go on vacation and itwould be like, okay, now I got
to look at all the menus of allthese restaurants and find like
the best vegan option.
And what sounds good to me?
And so it was just, it may, it'san eating, like an eating
disorder, like veganism.
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Genuinely, I'm not being funny.
do you think it's cause it's asense of control?
And.
it's an obsession almost.
I understand where you're comingfrom.
I don't think veganism is aneating disorder.
I don't think veganism is reallyeven close to that.
But I think.
It can, like I said, contribute,if you're already on the edge or
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suffering from an eatingdisorder, I think it can
contribute.
anytime you're doing a dietarything, that's, for you, sorry, I
didn't mean Oh, for me, for you,do you feel like it was.
I know there's more, but did youfeel more?
It was just like a.
Like a control thing.
I want, and to this day, I do.
wish that I was vegan, butthat's just not what works for
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my body.
And that's not what works for myhealth, both mental and
physical.
So I don't do that.
And I truly believe everybody,all of us should eat what we
want.
And if we want to restrictcertain things, that's up to us,
that's fine, but we shouldn'tpush that on other people.
But I do think that it didcontribute to what I was feeling
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because I do remember likegetting cravings for like
cheese.
Well, that's the other messed upthing is I didn't even realize
what is that, like in cheesethat like actually is like, An
addictive, it's like the caseinor whatever.
I think that's what it's called,but it's in cheese and it's
actually like an, something thatyou can be addicted to.
So like cheese is literallyAddicting.
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good.
It should be.
I don't know.
Yeah.
it deserves it.
It deserves it.
I don't care.
There's something about that,having, I used to be better
about having stuff prepared, somaybe having some cooked
vegetables out, in the fridgethat I can just, toss in a plate
or bowl and, heat up, or rawveggies.
That's Mormons and Virgos,though.
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That kind of shit is for Mormonsand Virgos.
That's meal planning.
Yeah.
But like having, but having likefresh fruits and vegetables like
washed and like ready to eatinstead of just not ready and
then you have to work to preparethem, there's something to be
said about that for sure.
it takes a little bit ofpreparation and if you're just
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wiped out as oh, fuck, I don'twash berries.
Yeah.
And it's that's another thingtoo, is like the difference
between like you have a kid, youhave a husband, I currently live
alone, feeding yourself, like,talking about, like, I know
recipes, but my recipes are forlike an army of 40, cooking for
just one person is bonkers, butthat's another reason I did Blue
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Apron, because it was like twoperson, you could just do a two
person meal, and I loveleftovers, so basically I would
have two meals, So I would eatone when I made it and then eat
one the next day or in a coupleof days and that worked out
well.
But then the problem witheveryone else is then you have
to cater to everybody else'sneeds and what everybody else
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wants.
And then it's you're not evenall having the same thing for
dinner most nights, probably.
Oh my God.
They did an article a couple ofyears ago about the, what was
it?
Invisible mental load that womenhave in the house and it's just
like the mental exhaustion thatcomes from like Keeping the
house fucking running and I justthis is now it's like a no shit
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thing But essentially that'sjust what this is and like it's
the mental exhaustion from likeit's just part of this How do we
keep everyone fed in the house?
How do we keep ourselves fed?
it's just a constant dial andit's invisible.
It's invisible mental labor,just like running the house and
keeping track mentally of like,how much soap do we have, how
much, dogs need to go to thevet, all this other shit that
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cleaning, cooking, drink yourwater, hydrate, take your meds,
take your other meds in themiddle of the day, take your
vitamins, take your meds atnight.
Get eight hours of sleep.
Sorry.
It's just no, it's exhausting totalk a lot about like Gen X
being neglected because they hadto drink from the hose.
But honestly, I get it.
If I had to keep track, I'd belike, you know what?
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Yeah, go fucking drink from thehose.
It's one last thing to thinkabout.
Yes.
I wish I could do meal prepping.
I just, I've done not mealprepping, but I've done like
just snack prepping.
Cause that's how I have to eatlately.
because it's just, but then youhave to eat it.
If you make it, you have to eatit.
And then what if you don't wantto eat it after you've made it?
You're like, I don't want thatanymore.
You have to like, figure outwhat you want to eat and then
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also commit to eating it lateron.
Yeah.
But I'm more thinking ofprepping like my snacky snacks,
because she has a sinusinfection.
Okay.
I am so sorry.
I am so disgusting.
I just, I am.
Extremely sick and this is not aglow.
This is sweat.
so usually this is gorgeous.
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You look gorgeous.
Yeah.
yeah, Ash meal preps.
I remember talking to Ash aboutthat and I was so impressed and
I feel like Ash has beensticking with that for a long
time.
I used to do that.
I would make big batches of likesoups or stews or chili or
something like that, or stir fryand, I would, eat it throughout
the week, sometimes I'd have itfor lunch, sometimes I'd have it
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for dinner, whatever, and thenI'd freeze the rest, but then
the problem for me, for my ADHD,is, out of sight, out of mind,
so as soon as I freeze it and Iput it under stuff in my
freezer, which is, like, wherethings go to die, I never think
about it again until I find it,and I'm, like, oh, I'll eat this
sometimes, and I leave it inthere, I bet the majority of my
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freezer right now I could justthrow out because it's stuff
that I froze probably threeyears ago that I've forgotten
about.
I'm not lying.
Since I started the ADHD meds,and I'm not like hungry all the
time, I will eat something, putit down, and then just wander
off, and I forget.
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Yeah.
And then I, What is, I'm soangry and I'm like, did I finish
eating?
And I'll go back and there's amuffin that's just sitting
moldering.
Yeah.
I found a donut once that I puton a plate intending to eat it
later on.
It's like for a week.
I just put it on a plate in thecupboard and then ate it.
In the cupboard?
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Yeah, because I was like, oh,I'll eat this later, and I
didn't.
You were like hiding it fromyour family.
Yeah, honestly, yes.
Okay.
Also, Tangent, the other fuckingexhausting thing is when you
have growing kids and teenagers,they eat everything, and so then
you have to go shopping again,where they eat all the good
stuff, and then you're out ofthat, so what you did want to
eat is gone, and then you haveto eat lesser food that you
didn't want to eat.
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Then you have to say, this ismine, like an asshole, or tell
them it's coffee flavored orthat there's wine in it.
That was the one I don't thinkI'm going to be able to use much
longer.
For my niece and nephew, we sayOh, that's for adults.
That's what we're using rightnow.
We say that's for adults.
It's like soda or it's likecoffee ice cream.
it's for adults.
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It's an adult snack.
It's an adult drink.
I know, but then secret stash inthe bedroom.
Yes.
Yes.
In the bathroom behind thetoilet paper.
It's easy, but then the foodjust like disappears.
Oh, and then because their kids,they don't tell you you're out
of something until it's toolate.
You're like, why didn't you say,Oh, I forgot.
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Do you think there are anyparents that like make their
kids, get their own food andmake all of their own food?
Like you have to go groceryshop.
Like, here's your, this is theamount of money you get.
Yes, they live in Japan.
Have you seen those shows wheremoms send two year olds to do
grocery shopping and they do itreally well?
Yeah, those kids have to go dothat, but also they're smarter
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than American teenagers.
But those aren't even teenagers,those are like I know, that's my
point.
That's your point, got it.
That's my point.
so yes, those moms, I don'tknow.
They also, also you can't sendthem to the store.
You know, like kidnapped or.
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Roboto is going to start goingon.
What is it?
Red note again and watchingbabies fall down in the snow
and.
I love watching toddlers dochores.
There's a toddler on there whoshowed you how to make okay,
this fucking kid.
Boiled water, he boiled waterand then he took eggs and Mixed
the eggs with chopsticks andthen took his little adorable
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heatproof gloves and put thebowl of eggs in the boiling
water and then he put a lid onit and then he like picked it up
out of the boiling water and wasvery careful.
He didn't spill a drop.
He didn't burn himself.
I as an adult would have burnedmyself at like step three I 100
percent would burp myself, butthat's what I mean.
Yeah.
We really fucked up with ourkids because three year olds can
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make that snack.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
My three year old nephew, withyour old nephew, loads the
dishwasher and stuff.
He has done things where he's,helped take something out of the
oven with, the big oven mitts.
And it's so cute.
We should have like a freezer, afreezer cleaning body double,
because I just thought in myhead of all the shit that I have
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in my freezer that I forgot.
Oh, let's do that.
Yeah, I need to do that.
Well, because there are threebig things that I want to do.
And one I already told you is Ineed to purge my clothing.
I want to purge my bathroom andmy skincare and makeup.
that I don't really use much.
and I want, I need to purge myfreezer.
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My fridge is fine.
I did that not too long ago, butmy freezer, it's a whole lot of
yikes in there.
There's probably a ton ofsurprises.
Yeah.
There's a mom on TikTok, hername is Jess, and her handle I
think is aggressive tutorials,where she's just like, I gotta
make dinner again! Here we go!And she'll be like, it's frozen
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chicken from Costco, I don'tfucking care, they're eating!
And it's really refreshing, andshe's like, is it good?
Of course it is, because I madeit! And I'm like, yeah! And,
shortcuts are totally fine, andYeah! her videos are great, and
she's just annoyed the entiretime, and that's how I feel all
the time.
Because I feel like a bad momand a bad wife, because it's
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just I don't want to fuckingnourish you.
but that is like the patriarchyin a way that's true, but she's
just so good at it.
And so it's oh, yeah, we can useshortcuts.
So that has been for somereason, just super helpful to
something in my brain.
That's 1 of the reminders that Ineeded to is I need to be needed
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to be reminded that, frozenfruits and vegetables are still
fruits and vegetables andthey're going to carry pretty
much the same nutritional valueas if I bought fresh because, I
get the guilt where I'm like,you go grocery shopping and a
lot of times when I groceryshop.
Man, I'm like, I'm in like, I'mgoing to cook everything.
I'm going to eat everythingright mode.
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And so I'm like, I'm gonna getthese fruits and these veggies
and like fresh everything.
And I'm going to make the saladfour nights a week and stir fry
and do this and chop this andmeal prep, but it doesn't
happen.
That's because you takemedication to go grocery
shopping.
So you can, yeah.
And then you're not medicatedanymore.
But then it goes bad and then Ifeel guilty.
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Ash said that like frozen fruitsand veggies are picked at like
peak.
And they taste really good.
They really do.
Costco is, has been a gamechanger for shortcuts.
Truly.
Absolutely.
even they have like edamame thatyou can just microwave.
It's just like a good snack.
That's one of my go to's,honestly, because you can add it
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to anything.
I'll add it to I'll buy likepackaged ramen and I'll make
ramen and I'll put edamame init.
Like giant bags of frozen fruit.
I make smoothies out of them.
Oh, that's the other thing.
If you can't bring yourself toeat a fucking fruit and yogurt
smoothie every time hits a spot.
I feel good.
Cause it's not main lightingfreeze dried Skittles.
I'm like, okay, there's yogurtin here and there's nutrients of
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some kind in here.
And it doesn't make me want toshit my pants or barf.
And yeah, they're fast too.
So that has been my other greatshortcut and uncrustables giant
boxes of uncrustables.
I just had like before the show,I had a pre show uncrustable was
raspberry in case you'rewondering, which is the best
kind.
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I'm so glad you're on my sidewith raspberry because they're
the best.
I still need to try the likeCostco brand ones though.
I still haven't tried those.
I need to do a Costco ordersoon, but the Costco orders are
hard for me because I'm oneperson.
and I'll do it.
The other, if just eat it, soyou don't have to worry about
nutrition, just eat and nourishyourself is Snickers ice cream
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bars with chunky peanut butter,a spoonful of chunky peanut
butter, and you just put it oneach bite.
That's really good.
Yeah.
I haven't had it with peanutbutter, but I don't even like
Snickers, but like Snickers icecream bars, for some reason, I
can get behind that.
Those are so good.
For sure.
You absolutely need it.
PB and J.
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Yeah.
Go make you a PB and J girl.
Oh, and eating weird things atthe wrong meals, the wrong, like
the wrong meals.
So like breakfast for dinner.
Oh yeah.
No.
Or like eating leftover Chinesefood for breakfast.
Pizza for breakfast.
Yeah.
Cause you get out of that, Oh,breakfast is sweet and cereal
mentality.
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And you're like, I'm going toeat something.
I actually want to eat.
that's been really helpful to,or French bread pizza.
BB and JI have to remember whatyou guys are saying is not for
me.
I'm straight up orderinggroceries and I'm like, girl,
you aren't burnt out.
You order your veggies I'm soglad Marina and I actually, I
think during the pandemic Marinaand I would get on Discord and
(49:25):
like before, after we playedgames or even just to talk and
we would do our grocery orderstogether.
Like we would compile ourgrocery orders and so like you
would It was like a grocerybrainstorm session, if you will,
because I would be like, Oh, I'mgoing to get Uncrustables and
then Marina would be like,Uncrustables sounds so good.
I'm also going to get morepeanut butter, and we just like,
(49:46):
yeah, it was great.
String cheese.
Always a string cheese.
Grab and go string cheese and anapple.
Cheese with an apple, you guys.
So good.
I also hated grocery shoppingfor the longest time.
I think one of the big thingswith the pandemic is just it the
germs and having the sick kidthat just really fucked me up
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for a long time but the gamechanger was wearing earbuds at
the store and listening to apodcast and shopping and that
way like it keeps my Like my, mygerm anxiety under control, I
don't have to look at people orinteract with people and I can
just do something I'm enjoyingto a podcast while doing
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something.
Is that like romanticizing yourlife?
Is that kind of what that'slike?
I never really get theromanticizing your life thing.
No, that's dissociating inpublic.
Are you fucking talking aboutromanticizing your fucking life?
No.
I don't know.
I don't really understand whatthat means.
I don't.
I don't get it.
This is not in a way thatdoesn't alarm anyone else around
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you.
Oh my god, Marina said so manyReba Fritos, oh.
Our friend Shamee Winehouse, whoused to stream, had a, it was a
Fritos commercial, and it wasReba McIntyre, and she was like
singing her song, but it was theThe twisty, what is it?
The barbecue, honey barbecue.
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Oh, now I need those.
I'm probably gonna, I might bedoing a grocery order.
Maybe at the end of the show, weall just do a grocery order.
Have you put nacho cheese onthem and eat them?
what?
That's too much.
I feel like that's too much.
Okay.
I did order, Auntie Anne'spretzel nuggets and a frozen
lemonade for dinner the othernight delivery.
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So I literally made a person goto a mall and pick this up for
me and bring it to me.
Kevin's meals are at Costco.
they're delicious.
I love them so much.
Wait, what are Kevin's meals?
I don't know, Kevin just made abunch of like ready to go food
that I mean Who's Kevin?
They have everything.
I don't know, but he's at Costcoand he has meals and it's like
(51:56):
food that everyone Oh.
I don't know.
Okay.
Yeah, but they have food foreverybody.
Okay.
I need to check that out thenwith my Costco order.
Speaking of being sick, by theway, also, I think it's totally
okay to say.
Just fucking order your dinnerif you're sick.
Just do it.
It's fine.
(52:17):
Even if you're not sick, it'sokay to order dinner.
It's always okay to orderdinner.
If you're just the type ofperson who you're like, that's
too much extra money for me tospend to get it delivered or
whatever, that's fine.
But don't knock like otherpeople who do it and just do
you.
Like everybody should be eatinghow and when and what they want
(52:38):
and need.
And like I've said before Peanutbutter, mustard, and pickled
sandwiches.
What was that Rebecca?
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, sorry.
but yeah, and as I've saidmultiple times on this podcast,
as we've said, your body isnobody else's business.
What you eat is nobody else'sbusiness.
you need a better pickle in thesandwich.
Don't let people what?
(53:00):
What was that?
Huh?
Oh, I thought I heard you saysomething.
That's weird.
No, I didn't.
need to order vegan hot dogs.
What's that, Jamie?
I need to order vegan hot dogs?
Yes.
Yes, please.
Vegan hot dogs.
Ah! I don't know what'shappening, but My dogs are
fucking amazing for dinner.
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Oh, dude, I will slice up mylittle vegan wieners and I'll
throw them in a frying pan andjust give them a good little fry
and cook them that way.
And then I will throw them inmac and cheese.
And my favorite mac and cheeseto get, I was telling somebody
about this recently is theGoodles because it has extra
protein and they're alsodelicious.
Like I think Goodles mac andcheese is really good.
(53:43):
I maybe I'm weird.
I don't know, but it's.
Amazing.
But don't get the cacio e pepekind, because that's disgusting.
I think before we wrap this up,we are serious whenever we say
during, before we have a break,Hey, go get a snack, stay
hydrated, take your meds becausewe need that out loud reminder.
and if we need it, then I'mguessing a lot of other people
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out there are doing the samething.
So it's not as being funny, it'sus just saying it out loud to
remind ourself, remind otherpeople.
Yeah, should we take a break?
Is that what that segue was?
Oh, no, I just, I, did we reachthe end of our, I thought we
reached the end of our outline.
Oh, I don't even, I honestlyhaven't even been looking at it.
I feel like just whenever, I,well, I like it because I glance
(54:28):
at it, but usually the wholething I don't.
oh yeah, Lunchables grilledcheese.
I still haven't tried it, youguys.
Has anybody tried Lunchablesgrilled cheese that you can just
pop in the toaster?
We need to know.
Message us.
Did your mom ever have thatsandwich maker?
It was like an electric, I thinkit was sunbeam, it was white and
it was electric and you wouldput bread in there and then
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whatever fillings and then itwould just like it was like an
incrustable where it would justseal the edges and then actually
it was an OG Hot Pocket beforeHot Pockets existed.
but it would make the outs, itwas like a panini press but it
would just like it made thesetriangle pieces of bread with
shit in the middle of it.
That was molten and that soundslike a luxury that my family
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would never be able to have.
Oh, sounds very luxurious.
It really wasn't.
I promise you, you did not missout on anything.
There, hold on, there are, whatis a panini press?
Oh, was it the panini press?
There are little panini bags youcan put sandwiches in and then
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drop them in the toaster in thebag.
Forming grills with panini pressis brilliant.
Trying to think of other likefood hacks I would do.
So like for frozen things, Iactually, I will microwave.
So if I'm making vegan chickennuggets, I will microwave them
just for a little bit.
So they're thawed, or mostlythawed at least, and then I will
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put them in the toaster to crispthem up.
Because it won't, becausethey're, then they're cooked
through, but then the toaster iscrisping them.
thank you.
The air fryer has been agodsend.
If you don't have a toasteroven, the air fryer is it makes
things so quickly.
It's delicious.
It's always crispy.
Thank you again.
we'll see you guys next week,Thursday, 5 PM.
Pacific, thank you for hangingout.
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you guys are awesome.
The Burnout Collective is hosted by me, Jamie Young.
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You can find all our episodes,plus show notes, at
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com.
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