Reclaiming my time by taking up yours

"Hey, do you have a minute to chat?"

"Hey, how are you? How was your weekend?"

If your anxiety just skyrocketed or you feel triggered, we get it. That's why Episode 26 is all about the bane of our corporate existence: meetings. 

Listen. The chaos and exhaustion of (mostly pointless) meetings can turn even the most on-it Type A into a burnt out mess. How are you supposed to get any work done when you're in meetings all the time?

So, come fill your BINGO card over here with us! We've got co-workers who never mute, late-evening surprise 1-on-1s, idle chit-chat, and excessive PowerPoint users who use corporate jargon no one understands.

After sharing a few coping mechanisms for long meetings—like crocheting during calls or playing solitaire—we want to remind you of the sweet, sweet relief that comes if you just...turn your off camera.

Have a suggestion for our next episode? A burnout story to share? Send us a text!

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Episode Transcript

Rebecca (00:00):
This is my villain.

(00:01):
This is my villain origin story.
I think

Jamie (00:03):
meetings.

Rebecca (00:04):
the girl, the girl who had too many meetings and became
a heinous bitch,
I am Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.

Jamie (00:19):
hey everybody.

Rebecca (00:23):
Hi.
Welcome to our meeting.

Jamie (00:26):
Yeah.
Welcome to this meeting thatwe've called for you today at
5:09 PM on a Thursday.
We're having meetings aboutmeetings.
yeah, so I.
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Now Rebecca and I have, uh, aone-on-one that I threw on her
calendar.

Rebecca (01:25):
last minute at five o'clock in the afternoon.
Thanks so much.

Jamie (01:29):
Five o'clock in the evening.
Please

Rebecca (01:31):
In the evening.

Jamie (01:32):
don't let these people think that they can have like
5:00 PM meetings and it's theafternoon.

Rebecca (01:39):
You slacked me and went, do you have 10 minutes to
chat?
I'm like, fuck yes, fine, fine,fine, fine.

Jamie (01:46):
Name.
You're a manager, so like youdon't have a choice.
You know, like it becomes thatlike meetings.
Meetings.

Rebecca (01:55):
I just started writing in all caps after I had to ask,
do you have a second to talk?
I just wrote all caps, not bad.
That's just what I do.

Jamie (02:04):
What?

Rebecca (02:06):
If I'm like, Hey, do you have a second to talk?
'cause it's like about like, Idon't know, an article or a
compliance thing.
Then I just write in all capsafterward.
Not bad.
Just so they know,

Jamie (02:15):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
Like it's not bad.
Okay.

Rebecca (02:19):
Just so they know.

Jamie (02:20):
Yeah.
You gotta tell people justbecause I can be aloof
sometimes.
I have done that, a time or twowithout telling somebody, not
thinking.
but I think usually the personis like, what is this about?
And then I'm like, oh, dear God,yes.
No, it's nothing bad.
Nothing bad.
Don't worry about it.

Rebecca (02:39):
Yeah.
if I, if I tell you then what,there's no point in meeting and
it's gonna take me a longer to,you know, it just fucking show
up.
Okay.
Just show up.
All you to do is fucking showup.

Jamie (02:48):
Yeah.

Rebecca (02:49):
I remember when I first started working, like my first
job, I would always just watcheveryone go to meetings, like
the higher ups except for me.
'cause I was like an associateeditor and

Jamie (02:59):
Wasn't that the

Rebecca (03:00):
I'd always feel no, I'd always feel left out and just be
like, whatever they're talkingabout, it's probably important.
Business stuff

Jamie (03:06):
Yeah.
And now you know the truth.

Rebecca (03:09):
Yeah.
And I was like, there's alwaysgood gossip.
I'm sure that I'm missing out of

Jamie (03:13):
Of course.
That's what it was.

Rebecca (03:15):
one day.
I too will go to that manymeetings and,

Jamie (03:19):
and here you are

Rebecca (03:20):
here we are,

Jamie (03:22):
now's.
How's that working out for you?
How's the gossip?

Rebecca (03:26):
there is not enough in the world to outweigh the amount
of fucking time I spend lookingat other people.
God.

Jamie (03:34):
Not enough gossip in the world.
I never thought I would hear yousay that.

Rebecca (03:39):
I go to our writers, I'm like, what meetings do you
guys go to?
They're like, like, one a week.
I'm like, fuck.

Jamie (03:46):
oh my God,

Rebecca (03:47):
Must be nice.

Jamie (03:49):
must be nice

Rebecca (03:51):
The higher you are,

Jamie (03:53):
the more meetings and you can't do anything and it's like
harder for you to be there foryour, your, your people, your
direct reports.
I.

Rebecca (04:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And uh, when are you supposed toactually get work done too?
That's the other part of yourjob?

Jamie (04:10):
Oh yeah, that's always my favorite.

Rebecca (04:14):
Yeah.
I'm not out of that Dante'sinferno of middle management
yet.
Like I still have to manage anddo my job like,

Jamie (04:20):
You're like, I don't just go to meetings I actually have
to do shit like,

Rebecca (04:25):
right, So haven't made it that far up where all I do is
attend a meetings and then haveeveryone else do the work.
I still have to do work.
So.

Jamie (04:32):
yeah.

Rebecca (04:34):
I just had to come to accept that there are gonna be
days where no workday gets done.
And that's not stressful foranybody.

Jamie (04:41):
No, not at all.
They're not wasting your timeand company time and company
money.
Like that's the other thing islike even if you don't care
about wasting everybody else'stime to the assholes up top who
are like all about money hungryand that's all that matters,
you're literally wasting money.
Because your employees are onsalary and so any amount of

(05:05):
their time is costing you

Rebecca (05:08):
I never start meeting, like every meeting that starts
with, so how was your weekend?
I want to scream and throw mymyself across the room.
I never start meetings withchitchat.
I'm like, so this is what we'retalking about and every meeting
I have to be in, we're someoneelse.
The standup warmup.
I'm just like, fuck me.
This is five minutes of my life.
I'm never getting back.
This is five minutes.
We could have been talking aboutwhat we're here for.

Jamie (05:29):
I hate when people start Slack messages like that.
Hey, how was your weekend?
Or like, Hey, how are you?
And then nothing.
And then there's just a pauseand it's like, I'm not even
gonna respond to that.
'cause I know you wantsomething.
Like tell us.

Rebecca (05:46):
Yeah, no.
Honestly, I, that's one of thethings I miss about working with
you though, is like duringremote meetings, you and I could
just

Jamie (05:52):
Bullshit.
We could do like our little, uh,what are their names from the
Muppets.
You always remember I can't,

Rebecca (05:59):
Walder and or what is it, Waldorf and Statler or

Jamie (06:02):
yeah.

Rebecca (06:02):
And then we have to watch the other person's face in
the other meeting to just biteour cheeks so we don't laugh out
loud.
We're just going trying to keepstraight faces.

Jamie (06:11):
Yeah.
I love that.

Rebecca (06:15):
That's the hardest part about remote is because you're
just in a box and there's notlike a whole room around you or
other people around you.
It is very clear when your faceis doing a thing, and so the
energy spent fighting not tomake a face

Jamie (06:28):
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca (06:29):
is exhausting.

Jamie (06:30):
of the time.
I would turn my camera off andthen also like.
First of all, I don't understandthe fucking rules of like, have
to have cameras on, anyone thatdoes that, it's just like, what
is wrong with you?
I know it's polite or whatever,and I will have my camera on if
it's something that warrants it.
But a lot of times that's why Iwould turn my camera off.
And even my coworkers, my peerswould be like, you never have

(06:52):
your camera on.
You never have your camera on.
And it's just like, yeah.
Who ca like, are you, are youjealous because like, you feel
like you can't, or like can'tturn yourself off and you want
to, or like, why are you soobsessed with me?
I stopped turning my camera onbecause I can't control my face
anymore.
Yep.
See?
Exactly.

Rebecca (07:09):
Yes.

Jamie (07:10):
Exactly.

Rebecca (07:11):
When your, when your face is facing and,

Jamie (07:15):
Especially when Rebecca's face is facing.
Those were

Rebecca (07:18):
And I don't know if it's because it's a large
company that we work for, and soI don't know if this is like a,
like an accessibility thing orif it's just easier to share or
disseminate information acrosssuch a large company.
But they fucking lovePowerPoints.
They love, they lovePowerPoints.
We have a template for it, andeveryone has to make one for

(07:41):
every meeting.

Jamie (07:43):
Oh my God.
You have to make a fuckingPowerPoint for a meeting.

Rebecca (07:48):
not like informal ones, but like if there's gonna be
higher ups there.
Which does that infantalizethem?
Like is that assuming thatthey're just too fucking dumb to
get it and like they needpictures?
Or is it because like they'rebusy and they have the time,
whatever the reason is?
I am.
I hate making them because to methat's arts and crafts in the
workplace

Jamie (08:06):
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca (08:08):
and uh, I don't know why we can't just look at the
school doc that I made.

Jamie (08:11):
Yeah.
Or yeah, like why there is ameeting at all.
Like that's the other thing, thewhole, like this meeting could
have been an email like I.
People that, we were talkingabout this earlier, but people
that like read the PowerPoint toyou and it's like, why didn't
you just send me thisPowerPoint?
Or like, they have an agenda docand it's literally like there's

(08:33):
no action to be taken, there'sno discussion needed.
And they're literally just read,reading the agenda doc to you
and you're like, okay,

Rebecca (08:40):
Could have read this on my own.
In an email.
In an email.
I say I won't be reading this toyou.
You have eyeballs.

Jamie (08:47):
yeah.

Rebecca (08:48):
And then as a treat, I'll leave something off of
there so I can say it out loudand then everyone feels like
they've gotten some newinformation and then I can stop
talking.

Jamie (08:57):
And you can give them five minutes back.
Well, I guess we'll end earlyand like everybody can have
their five minutes.
That's like my favorite.
It's like it's five minutes.
Like don't, don't everybody'salready upset.
This is a meeting at all.
Like.

Rebecca (09:11):
The worst is when you're in too many meetings and
then the jargon starts tricklingdown into everyday life.
Like Q3 and OKR and ebitda.

Jamie (09:22):
Ebitda.

Rebecca (09:23):
ebitda.
It's is it income before taxes?
And, see, I don't even know whatit is.

Jamie (09:30):
Oh fuck.

Rebecca (09:32):
Don't even know what it's, but it's like they, they
use words and you're just like.
Everyone nods their heads, likethey know what those

Jamie (09:38):
Net income before net Income.
That's what Alyssa said.

Rebecca (09:43):
but there's no N in there.
It's ebitda.

Jamie (09:45):
Oh,

Rebecca (09:46):
That's what I mean.
No one knows.
And everyone just nods theirhead.
And finally, I've just taken itgoing.
what does, what does that mean?
What do those letters

Jamie (09:53):
why don't you Google it, Rebecca.
Just kidding.

Rebecca (09:55):
Because I don't know, when you say ebitda, I don't
know what the fuck letters arein that word.

Jamie (10:01):
Yeah, I actually, I actually thought it was an E
before you.

Rebecca (10:04):
That's what I mean.
So that's, ah,

Jamie (10:08):
Wait, is this just an episode?
Where are we like going back andforth?
We're like an episode aboutthings.
We like an episode about thingswe don't like

Rebecca (10:15):
we don't like,

Jamie (10:16):
meetings.
It was

Rebecca (10:19):
you can't eat in a meeting either.
Like, I, like, I wanna have asnack.
Oh.

Jamie (10:25):
Who says you can't eat in meetings?

Rebecca (10:27):
I have to do the talking.
So me

Jamie (10:29):
Oh, if it's your meeting, right?

Rebecca (10:32):
yeah, because then I make mouth sounds and I don't
wanna do that either.

Jamie (10:36):
No.

Rebecca (10:36):
Oh.
Although, although there is awoman that I worked with who her
power move was, her power movewas bringing something very
crunchy to eat during meetingswhen men would talk.
And the more stupid theysounded, the louder she chewed
on Mike.
And like

Jamie (10:56):
I thought she was just chewing, like she would wait for
a man to speak before puttinglike whatever in her mouth and
chewing like just to like

Rebecca (11:03):
and it would just get louder.
No, pretty much.
And like the la, the louder Igot, the more she chewed and the
louder it was.
And I like, that's a fuckingballer move.
Like I, I highly respect that.
It was very funny.
So she used that for good.
I.

Jamie (11:18):
That's

Rebecca (11:18):
Or like meetings where no one has the agenda or no one
knows well, what are we, whatare, what are we here to talk
about?

Jamie (11:25):
Yeah,

Rebecca (11:26):
You, you, you made this,

Jamie (11:29):
yeah, I love her.
Alyssa says, marina says, I lovethat idea.
Maybe I'll forget to mute duringmy next meeting.
Seriously, I.
Just like camera off and thenlike unmute yourself and just,
oh my God, that's,

Rebecca (11:44):
all the horror stories on Instagram where people like,
have diarrhea and so they taketheir computers in the bathroom
with them, but they don't put iton mute and everyone hears

Jamie (11:52):
No, marina, it has to be more than celery.
It's gotta be like super crunchy

Rebecca (11:57):
like rocks, like granolas and rocks.

Jamie (12:01):
Granola.
Granola is a good one.
Kettle potato chips.
Another good, another good one.

Rebecca (12:06):
Ooh.

Jamie (12:07):
These chip ideas.
I feel like maybe these need tobe added to our cookbook.
That's such a good idea.
Crunchy foods to make, to eatover men talking in meetings
that you don't wanna be inPerfect recipe.
Done.

Rebecca (12:23):
shit.

Jamie (12:24):
I don't think celery would come across on Mike
though.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
The person that like, nevermuted, dude.
There was this one guy that Iworked with who I, of course
just like hated to begin with'cause he was an awful person.
But, uh, he would never mute.
And like, not only would henever mute, and so like
sometimes like people don't muteand they just, they're like

(12:45):
breathing in the mic.
And so like, that's all you.
And then like my biggest, youknow how I am with, sounds like
you know exactly how I am withsound and noise.
I'm, I'm crazy about it.
So like, when people would likenot mute and then like people
are, and they're using liketheir laptop speaker that's
bouncing off the desk and theneverybody's echoing because they

(13:06):
haven't muted.
And I'm just like, oh my God.
Like I, I got to the point whereI couldn't take it anymore.
So I'd be in like large meetingsand I would just be like, can
everybody mute?
Just wanna make sure like, it'snot my meeting, but I would be
like, can everybody mute?
'cause like, what the hell?

Rebecca (13:20):
Oh my God.
There would be this one guy whowould be breathing, except he
must have like a deviated septumor something.
'cause you could hear like theslight whistle, like he was too
close to his mic so you could

Jamie (13:30):
was sleeping.
He was probably falling asleep.

Rebecca (13:33):
No, he was breathing, but it was just like that
whistle breathe like reallyfaint, but just loud enough that
it drove me fucking bananasevery meeting with him.

Jamie (13:42):
I like how I said he was probably falling asleep.
And you were like, no, he wasbreathing.
I didn't say he was probablydying.
Rebecca, we hope that he isstill breathing.
You're like, no, he isbreathing.
Men don't breathe while theysleep.

Rebecca (13:56):
Yeah.

Jamie (13:57):
Ugh.

Rebecca (13:58):
All right, well, we'll see you guys later.

Jamie (14:00):
that's it.

Rebecca (14:01):
everyone have a good week.

Jamie (14:04):
We got more

Rebecca (14:04):
give you half an hour of your time back.

Jamie (14:07):
carrots.
Chips of hoy.
I do eat in crochet duringmeetings on camera.
Oh.

Rebecca (14:12):
See, that's the other thing.
If you're neurodivergent andyour hands, like being busy or
like twiddling or fiddling, likehelps you pay more attention.
But then people,

Jamie (14:21):
They take it

Rebecca (14:22):
don't think you are or they think it's unprofessional.
I play checkers like I, I playcheckers on the computer or
mahjong, like patterns that Ican look at while listening.
And it has helped a milliontimes

Jamie (14:34):
Oh, wow.

Rebecca (14:35):
like just having, having a pattern to look at or
like having something to clickwhile I'm listening has helped
me so much.

Jamie (14:41):
oh.
you were, you're breaking up forme a little bit, Rebecca.
Like you cut out

Rebecca (14:47):
I am.

Jamie (14:48):
like your video too.

Rebecca (14:51):
Well, that's fun.

Jamie (14:52):
Maybe if it was just me, like I think a track can let me
know.
But you seem good now, but likeyour video and everything was
like fuzzy, but yeah, I'm tryingto.

Rebecca (15:02):
that.
For me, you know what?
I'm just gonna fake computerissues and then just hang up and
walk away from this like otherpeople do in meetings.
We're just gonna do thatinstead,

Jamie (15:10):
Okay, Rebecca, that's what I put at the top of our
outline.
I was like, is this a meeting?
It's like, it is a meeting.

Rebecca (15:18):
it is a

Jamie (15:19):
We're doing a meeting right now.

Rebecca (15:21):
and there should be a public execution for the person
who's like, actually, I have afew more questions.
If anyone has time to go over

Jamie (15:32):
I do that,

Rebecca (15:34):
Jamie.

Jamie (15:34):
only if I think it's beneficial to other people in
the call if it's not.
I don't say it and,

Rebecca (15:41):
you people think it's beneficial to everyone in the
call.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.

Jamie (15:46):
but people like me, so it's okay.
I don't do it every time.
I mean, I did do it a lot in ourone content meeting, but.
Most of the time it was measking questions like, okay, but
can you like explain why we'redoing it this way instead of the
way that we've been doing it?
And we have to change everythingagain and spend all this time.
Like, my questions were likethat,

Rebecca (16:07):
For good.
Yeah.

Jamie (16:08):
like questions that people were scared to ask.
Mostly

Rebecca (16:12):
Oh, those are the funnest questions to ask.
Who's gonna do it?
Who's gonna say it?

Jamie (16:17):
it's always me.
It's always me.
I'm the person.

Rebecca (16:22):
Oh, it just says it right here on the, I just scroll
down.
It says, can I ask a couple morequestions?
Arrow.
Arrow, Jamie.

Jamie (16:28):
yeah, I marked it as me in the outline.
I was like, that's me.
I.
I also have like the like typesof like useless meetings.
And then I have like a list ofdifferent types of meetings that
we think are useless.
And then I have types ofproductive meetings.
And then I just have a bulletthat says examples.
Alyssa says, I hate hearing.
Can we go over when I've watchedthe 30 minutes already?

(16:52):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

Rebecca (16:56):
I will not laugh at dad.
Dad jokes in meetings either.
That's my rule.
I will not laugh at dad jokes.
I won't do

Jamie (17:00):
we don't laugh at dad jokes period.
Yeah,

Rebecca (17:04):
or puns.
No puns.

Jamie (17:07):
we

Rebecca (17:07):
have to be here, I'm

Jamie (17:08):
don't allow.
We don't allow.
oh, that's one that like, oh,you, did you see my, I also put
cheerful fucking meetings whenthey're laying you off or after
they just laid a bunch of peopleoff.
I've been in

Rebecca (17:24):
of this as a chance for like your next adventure.
Guys.
Just think of this as anopportunity to go out there and
just have an adventure

Jamie (17:33):
I dunno if I did that

Rebecca (17:34):
been in a couple of those myself.

Jamie (17:35):
I just clipped that.
You're welcome.

Rebecca (17:37):
I think I've told you my favorite meeting was when I
was with that one bitch who Iworked for and fucking hated,
and I was like, this isn'tworking.
She's like, I agree, and she'slike, I'm firing you.
No, I'm quitting.
That was my favorite meetingwhere we just told each other
how much we hate each other andI got to leave.

Jamie (17:54):
I'm firing you.
No, I quit

Rebecca (17:56):
No, I quit.
You can't because I'm quitting.

Jamie (17:58):
and I've, well, nevermind.
Yeah.
We all know the story,

Rebecca (18:04):
Or the, or the people who overshare about their life.
Are you like I guys, I'm sorry.
I am late.
My kid had hand foot and mouthdisease and then my cat shit on
the floor and the groceries werelate from Instacart.
And it was just like, I don'tcare

Jamie (18:20):
it's too

Rebecca (18:21):
like the overs shares or like they know way too much
about like your life because youhave told them everything, or
No, I'll let people show metheir dogs.
I wanna see their dogs.

Jamie (18:32):
Oh, yeah.
Pets.
Pets are always like a welcomedistraction.
Like, I'm not gonna be mad aboutpets.
There's no way.

Rebecca (18:40):
dude.
After the election, we just hadone meeting where we just showed
everyone our dogs for half anhour.

Jamie (18:46):
Or somebody just had a baby, like your manager just
said a baby and is like, Heyguys, sorry.
Like I had to bring her with me.
You know, like.
And then like the whole 30minutes was like everyone cooing
over the baby.
And it's like, that's great.
Let's do like a little happyhour where we like see the baby.
Happy hour maybe.
baby hour.

(19:07):
I don't,

Rebecca (19:07):
That's unprofessional.
Bringing your baby.
Don't bring your baby.
I don't wanna see your

Jamie (19:11):
I mean I, Hey, people can bring

Rebecca (19:14):
I don't wanna see your,

Jamie (19:15):
Some people have to.

Rebecca (19:16):
Bring your dog.
Well, then they can tell it tobe quiet and not show it on
camera.
I wanna see your dog though.
That's fine.
I don't wanna see your baby or

Jamie (19:26):
It's clear.
It's very clear.
If I get the balls to quitwithout notice, it will be, it's
been real deuces and then Inever come back.
Sounds like some

Rebecca (19:35):
Oh, you know what?
That's a

Jamie (19:36):
Ferris Bueller.

Rebecca (19:38):
Exit interviews, petty exit interviews are a fun type
of meeting.
I do love Those

Jamie (19:43):
Nobody, like, I don't get the point.
I don't get the point.
'cause they don't care.
They legitimately do not fuckingcare.
I've never worked at a place.

Rebecca (19:51):
but they have to listen to us when we tell them.

Jamie (19:54):
Very true.
Most places don't even do them.
Forbes didn't do it.

Rebecca (20:00):
were fun.
You were lucky.
Forbes didn't like slam yourfingers in the door as they
kicked you the fuck out.

Jamie (20:06):
I feel like they did.
I feel like they did.
Um, my fingers are still hurtingfive months later.
yeah.
Or meetings where like, it'susually a manager, but it can
also be maybe like a peer who islike trying to move up.
they're like, this is like mystage.

(20:26):
I called this meeting and it'smy stage, so I'm gonna have a
PowerPoint and I'm gonna read itto you.
Like, and I'm gonna have likedumb gif and like old memes from
like the early aughts.

Rebecca (20:41):
now.

Jamie (20:41):
I know you love memes and gifs, which is fine, but you,
you choose good ones.
You choose good ones.
I'm talking about like old assmemes, like, I don't know,
they're like Leroy Jenkins orlike, I don't know, stupid
stuff.
I was gonna preface that bysaying, listen, I know you like,
but have you not seen someone doa presentation or a PowerPoint?

(21:05):
And it's just,

Rebecca (21:07):
You know what they do after I do one with them in it,
and they don't know how to doit, right?

Jamie (21:11):
what I'm talking about, Rebecca, the people that don't
know how to do it like

Rebecca (21:14):
so gross.
The theme was RuPaul's DragRace.
You did it wrong.

Jamie (21:20):
Perfect.
Hey Shep, what's up?
We're talking about sh

Rebecca (21:26):
they'll look at me, they'll look at me.
This is my show, like this is myshow,

Jamie (21:29):
Oh, yeah,

Rebecca (21:30):
meeting.

Jamie (21:31):
yeah.
I'm gonna do my, my own littlemonologue about.
I don't know, and like I have tosay, this is another thing that
I wanted to touch on is likeintroverts in meetings and
extroverts in meetings.
Maybe I shouldn't touch onextroverts in meetings because

Rebecca (21:47):
That's just every fucking day for them.

Jamie (21:49):
I just,

Rebecca (21:50):
They don't have to work themselves up to go to a
meeting.
It's just part of theirschedule.

Jamie (21:55):
Oh, I didn't even think about that part.
You're right.
I didn't even think aboutworking yourself up.
I was focused on like recoveringafter.
Yeah, preparing.

Rebecca (22:06):
I have IBS diarrhea down to a science where I, if I
have seven minutes, I know I canshit my guts out within six and
still make the meeting.
Because I'm so nervous aboutthis meeting and I don't wanna
go.
Like I got that shit on lockmeeting prep,

Jamie (22:22):
literally.
Why?

Rebecca (22:25):
meeting prep time,

Jamie (22:26):
Why do I feel like our podcast is always about diarrhea
somehow?

Rebecca (22:32):
because my life is about diarrhea.
Jamie,

Jamie (22:35):
As an extrovert.
However, I do not want to shinein a meeting.
It is not attention I value.
Yes.
That was part of it is I waslike, I know.
Like it's not, and it's not evennecessarily like, I just feel
like it's mostly extroverts, Ishould say, when this happens.
It's mostly extroverts, butyeah, the people who are like,
this is my stage, and like lookat me and you know, like, I

(22:57):
don't know, like the try hardsof meetings.
I guess.

Rebecca (23:01):
I'm sorry.
You mean the pick me girls ofmeetings?

Jamie (23:04):
me girls of meetings.
Right.
Jj?
Right.
Em maybe I'm listening.

Rebecca (23:10):
The, the Pickney Girls of meetings?

Jamie (23:13):
What's true?
I just don't like it.
But then, yeah, as introverts wehave to spend time preparing.
We have to spend time recoveringafter and sometimes.
When you have so many meetings,you don't, either you don't have
time to recover or you have veryminimal time, and then you never

(23:34):
actually recover, and thenyou're just going through
meeting, through meeting throughmeeting, just slowly dwindling.

Rebecca (23:43):
Oh, I just remembered my favorite meeting that I've
had at this current job.
So it was like our monthlymeeting and the guy who's
talking is like, he's prettyserious.
He's pretty professional andbuttoned up.
And, we had just had a neweditor start.
Right.
And so while he's talking, um.
You know how like in GoogleMeet, you can do like a high
five or like a thumbs up emojior a heart or whatever.

(24:05):
Like he would talk and she woulddo like the thinking one, or
like, he would be like, and thisis a win, and she'd do a heart.
And I was like, okay, she'solder than I am.
So I'm like, maybe she doesn'tunderstand like how to, like how
to use emojis in meetings.
Right?
And I was like, okay.
But then,

Jamie (24:22):
have seen

Rebecca (24:23):
then it was like, then it was like 17 hearts in a row,
and then it was like 47 laughingfaces.
And I'm like, what the fuck isyou doing?
Because it, it shows on screenfor everyone when you're doing
it.
And I'm like, I'm like, what areyou doing?
What are you doing?
And I'm

Jamie (24:39):
she's like sucking up.

Rebecca (24:42):
What are you doing?
And she didn't answer.
And I'm like, oh my God.
So then I called her on thephone and I was like, what are
you doing?
She's like, what are you talkingabout?
I was like, you're acting, butfuck crazy in the meeting with
the emoji.
She's like, what?
I'm not even on the computer.
And it turns out her kid.
been watching the whole time,but the thing was they were

(25:02):
doing the emojis, like they weredoing the right emojis in the
right spot too.
Like when he was, like, when theguy was talking about, you know,
the court or whatever, and I waslike, yeah, that's a good point.
Or like when he made a joke,like he was doing them right,

Jamie (25:14):
How old was her

Rebecca (25:15):
a lot.

Jamie (25:17):
Like 14-year-old.

Rebecca (25:19):
no, like six.

Jamie (25:21):
Just kidding.
I'm just kidding.

Rebecca (25:22):
It was so cute.
But like now he knows who she isin like a good way.
And like she made, she made amark.
She didn't have to say a word,she just,

Jamie (25:30):
Oh

Rebecca (25:30):
it was, it was my favorite.

Jamie (25:32):
that's amazing.

Rebecca (25:34):
But like my boss was trying to get ahold of her.
We were all just like, oh myGod, she's crazy.
We hired a crazy person.

Jamie (25:39):
she was great.
Wouldn't be the first time.
Elizabeth says, my pet peeve iswhen the try hards start a
company team butt kissing train.
Yes,

Rebecca (25:48):
Oh, yuck.

Jamie (25:49):
make me, make me perform enthusiasm.
It's like, yeah.
Or like if you, you know, ifyou're at a kind of smaller
company where they still do liketown halls, I guess, where
people can actually like speak,

Rebecca (26:05):
Oh yeah.

Jamie (26:07):
which I think is getting rarer rare.
They're like, no, no, no, wedon't want, keep everybody on
mute.

Rebecca (26:12):
a question that we'll ignore.
You can submit a

Jamie (26:15):
Oh yeah.
Oh, that's my favorite.
Submit a question.

Rebecca (26:19):
What about bonuses?
What about bonuses?
So, uh, it looks like we don'thave any questions.
What about PTO?

Jamie (26:25):
I've been straight up ignored in a town hall for where
I've sent questions and they'veread, everyone's looked at mine,
clearly skipped it, and thenmoved on to other people's.

Rebecca (26:38):
So anyway, guys, thanks for coming.
Uh, yeah, we'll just wrap thisup.
It's like, no, no.

Jamie (26:42):
like, guys, guys are My hands still up?
I'm the only person still in theroom.

Rebecca (26:47):
We just don't see anybody here.
Hello.

Jamie (26:52):
It's ridiculous.

Rebecca (26:54):
I never wanna be that person in a meeting.
I really don't.
I never wanna be the person thateveryone dread having a meeting
with.
I probably am, as I've said thisloud though,

Jamie (27:02):
No.

Rebecca (27:03):
but they're short.
They're short meetings.
You can't, you can't deny that.

Jamie (27:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's another thing.
Sometimes people like.
Once in a while I would saylike, Hey, I don't know how long
this is gonna take us, so I'msetting it for an hour.
And I was like, I think it'sonly gonna take 30 minutes, but
I figure that that's better.
And also I feel like people likethat because they're like, yes,
please put time on my calendarso I don't get another meeting

(27:28):
scheduled.
You know, like,

Rebecca (27:30):
And that's true.
Oh my God.
You could have counterfeitmeetings and then just block off
most of your calendar.
So like.

Jamie (27:40):
oops,

Rebecca (27:42):
Because you can't put like busy, like you can't put
busy.
'cause people can see yourcalendar and what they are.
So like you would have

Jamie (27:47):
change it so people can't, so all they see is busy.

Rebecca (27:51):
Yeah.
But then it looks like you'reblocking it off.
Like if it shows you havemeeting with, you know, X, Y,
and Z, then it looks legit.

Jamie (27:57):
You could probably make up names too, and they'll never
know the difference.
Be like meeting with Susan fromhr.
Yeah.
Or just su like Susan, right?
You're just like meeting withSusan one-on-one with Susan,

Rebecca (28:10):
yeah.
There's like 27 Susans who workthere.

Jamie (28:12):
and Susan is, some fucking che cheese and crackers
and a nap after her.

Rebecca (28:18):
yes.
I'll just put in a meeting on mySlack if I'm like, I will not, I
will not take any questions atthis time.
I'll just put on a meeting.

Jamie (28:24):
Mm-hmm.
I would keep mine on do Notdisturb a lot of the time, and
then would just like, like mydirect reports knew that I just
like always kept it on that sothey could message me whenever,
but Cosmic said,

Rebecca (28:37):
and the worst part too is, oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
No, no, go ahead.

Jamie (28:40):
I've told my current managers that I refuse to go to
a meeting that could be an emailand I was excused from all
future meetings.
That's, Hey

Rebecca (28:47):
Ballsy.

Jamie (28:48):
that, no, like I'm surprised they did that.
There's no way if I ever didthat somewhere, they would be
like, yeah, sure.
I'm going through a tunnel.
I can't see your question.
Yeah,

Rebecca (29:00):
I don't know, like I, when we, when you and I met
today, I was like, I, this hasbeen a week of meeting, it's
like, don't wanna do this today,because it's like, I have talked
ad nauseum all week and you'rejust, you're just peopled out
and you're, and it's like havingto be on all day every day.

Jamie (29:18):
yeah.
Should we turn off our cameras?
Do you need a camera off moment?

Rebecca (29:22):
no.
It just, no, it just, that justsounded so fucking autistic as I
said it and realized it.

Jamie (29:27):
No, it didn't.

Rebecca (29:29):
I was just gonna be like, it's like putting on a
show and then Mo again, mostpeople probably don't think of
meetings as having to put on ashow.

Jamie (29:34):
do.
I'm not autistic maybe.
Huh?

Rebecca (29:41):
What?
Pre get Dr.
Pre back.
Jamie, let's cut your

Jamie (29:46):
Bring back the doctor.

Rebecca (29:47):
the inside.
What color is your cake on theinside, Jamie?

Jamie (29:52):
Well, it's like definitely confetti.

Rebecca (29:54):
Yeah.

Jamie (29:55):
We put this

Rebecca (29:55):
I don't know.
And

Jamie (29:56):
one has sour skittles on top.
And the frosting,

Rebecca (29:59):
And people who are justifying their jobs with
meetings too.
That's the other thing.
A lot of people have meetings tojustify their existence of their
jobs because if they're notputting on their Look at me
show, then people wonder like,what do you do all day?

Jamie (30:09):
I believe.
See, but this is the thing.
I think, and I know not all, butI think most people, especially
higher up, like not middlemanagement like us, but like
higher ups, I don't think mostof them do do anything

Rebecca (30:27):
That, that's what I said.
Like you have you, you have, Iam at the work where I have to
work and go to meetings.
They get to work and then tellpeople what to do.

Jamie (30:35):
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca (30:35):
the level you have to get

Jamie (30:37):
that's what I'm saying.
We wanna like, I feel like weneed to cut that out because you
know what we're doing.
They're getting paid double whatwe're,

Rebecca (30:44):
what to do?
Jamie?

Jamie (30:47):
they're getting paid, double what we're getting paid
to do nothing and sit inmeetings and we're getting paid
half that much to sit in all thesame meetings and do actual work
and help our direct reports withwork

Rebecca (31:04):
Maybe they think that meetings, so instead of just
like handing down edicts, maybethey think meetings make it seem
more of like a democracy insteadof like

Jamie (31:12):
me back.

Rebecca (31:13):
dictatorship, I don't know,

Jamie (31:15):
Yeah,

Rebecca (31:16):
maybe.
Maybe people feel like connectedto other people in meetings when
they see them or like get totalk in person to other people.
I don't know

Jamie (31:22):
I think a lot of people do.
It's the people that are like, Iwanna go back to in-office.
I like don't like remote.
I need people.
You have people right there.

Rebecca (31:33):
Yeah.
Look at

Jamie (31:33):
there's the same amount of exhausting, like,

Rebecca (31:38):
The people who need people freaks, all of them.
That to me says that you needsomeone to watch you work
because you don't know how towork well on your own, and
unless you have someonebreathing down your neck to keep
you on task, you're gonna go offtask.
That's what that indicates tome.
If you say you need to be aroundpeople to do your work, then
you're not good at doing yourjob.

Jamie (31:58):
I don't think they're saying though that they need it
to do

Rebecca (32:03):
in my head, I just went through everyone I know who said
that they wanna be in person.
I stand by what I said.

Jamie (32:09):
Okay.

Rebecca (32:10):
Everyone who I've heard say that I stand by what I said.

Jamie (32:15):
Any, anybody in the chat wanna go back to in-office?

Rebecca (32:20):
Tell me how bad you are at your job.

Jamie (32:22):
I don't

Rebecca (32:23):
I could be by myself for months and totally be

Jamie (32:26):
Oh yeah.
If I had like, literally if Ihad like no contact except like
literally sending an email tolike turn something in.
Oh my God.
What a dream.

Rebecca (32:35):
Can you imagine people sending coworkers an email like
you said to your parents aboutgoing no contact, like moving
forward.
I'm going no contact

Jamie (32:44):
That's not what I meant.

Rebecca (32:46):
for my own state of mind and wellbeing.
I'm setting this boundary withyou.

Jamie (32:51):
Leave that like when you're in

Rebecca (32:53):
when I wanna speak again.

Jamie (32:54):
Yeah.
Stupid.
we're doing great.
I just meant having zero contactwith the people you work with at
all, except for like turning in,like them saying, Hey, I need
you to do this, and you turn itin basically like I'm just a
freelance writer, right?

Rebecca (33:16):
Yeah.
People know how to get me intomeetings and it's if they write,
I have gossip, fucking I'm inthere.

Jamie (33:22):
People write, I have gossip, or they like tell you
separately.

Rebecca (33:26):
No, they, they message me, I have tea.
And I'm like, yes, that'll getme in there.
Or if they wanna tell me aboutthe meeting they just had.
That is my other favoritemeeting is having a meeting
where you get to tell like yourwork wife, everything they just
told you not to tell them.

Jamie (33:41):
That happened when, they did promotions, at, for at
Forbes and they told me becauseI was her manager, they told me
that Ash was being promoted to.
And they were like, but don'ttell her'cause like we haven't
talked to her yet.
Like, like please don't.
I'm like, yeah, of course.
You know, immediately likecalled her and was like, okay,

(34:02):
so they're promoting you.
This is what's happening.
pretend that you don't know.
And like our manager totallyknew'cause like she said, like
don't tell her.
But she knew that I was gonnatell her'cause she knew how
close we were and how long we'veworked together and like our
dynamic.
And so like Ash goes to themeeting and she's like, oh wow.

(34:23):
Like oh that's so great.
You know?
And like, and I was,'cause it'sall act you gotta act surprised.
And so she did.
And then at the very end of themeeting, like our manager was
like, I know Jamie told youalready, but like, good job.
Tell her you did a good job.
I was like, damn it, they'reonto us.

Rebecca (34:43):
and you have to call too,'cause there can't be any
evidence in text messages orslacks.
Do you remember when.
Do you remember when Slack firstcame out and companies started
using it and like themisinformation that went around,
people being like, they can readall your messages, blah, blah,
blah.
And now that people know how itwork, how it works, you get the
most unhinged fucking messagesfrom your coworkers that if

(35:05):
anyone ever saw it, you wouldimmediately get

Jamie (35:08):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I think like, I feel like youeven told me that once you were
like, people would've been fireda long time ago, if they could
read the chat messages.

Rebecca (35:21):
Yes.
1000%.
Absolutely.
Oh, Jamie, I miss being inmeetings with you.
I did like that.
That was fun

Jamie (35:31):
well, thank you.
I'd rather just do a podcastwith you.
That's what this is.
Oh my God.
Did we just do a like, createlike live meetings?

Rebecca (35:42):
Yeah.
Well, and that's true.
And we have people to witness usin like real, like, just like in
real meetings too, so they cansee us be total assholes.
Yeah,

Jamie (35:50):
Yeah.

Rebecca (35:50):
we did it.
We did it.

Jamie (35:53):
And they're like, they're like over there like, oh my God,
they're such messes.
Yeah, they're such a mess.

Rebecca (36:00):
I love, I also, the one thing I do love about middle
management is when we have a newemployee come on, I get to tell
everyone to meet with a newemployee, and then I offload all
of like the onboarding

Jamie (36:11):
I hate that.

Rebecca (36:14):
Oh, I love it because I know how I talk and when I train
you, I have told you exactlywhat I think needs to happen.
And when you don't get it, I getupset and frustrated and I don't
have the patience to explain itto

Jamie (36:26):
I am good at training, I'm good at training.
I'm good with like newbies.
most of'em, but.

Rebecca (36:32):
I get frustrated and annoyed like, what do you mean
you don't understand This verycomplicated procedure that I
clearly did a whole Google Docoutline on and just showed you
in person.

Jamie (36:40):
You are like my 13-year-old would get this.
I don't understand why youdon't.

Rebecca (36:45):
Listen, I think it's a sign of a good manager to know
your limits,

Jamie (36:48):
I think so too.
I think so too.

Rebecca (36:52):
but also then all the hate is not direct.
The other thing is then theydon't hate you for having like
eight hours worth of meetingssolely with them.
They can hate other people too,and not just you.

Jamie (37:01):
God, did you see my tips?
put tips for

Rebecca (37:07):
to avoid

Jamie (37:08):
useless meanings.
One

Rebecca (37:11):
get laid off.

Jamie (37:12):
get laid off.

Rebecca (37:15):
that's fucking brilliant.

Jamie (37:16):
meetingless right now.
Well, that's not true.
I do have some meetings, butthey're mo mostly with Rebecca,
so they're fun.

Rebecca (37:23):
There's one more meeting I thought of that I
like.
So there's a meeting with awoman that I, I work with and
she is so fucking smart.
And when you don't do your jobgood enough, she will ask you a
question in a way that sounds sototally neutral, but is so
fucking cutting and mean becauseshe knows you don't know the
answer and it's terrifying.

(37:45):
And she, she basically, shebasically makes you
professionally slice yourstomach open right then and
there in front of everyone andshow them your guts because she
just is like, so I'm just tryingto understand by doing

Jamie (37:57):
goes Rebecca's hero.

Rebecca (38:00):
She really is.
I'm like, I wanna be like herwhen I grow up.
She's so good at it.
And

Jamie (38:05):
is this the same woman who eats over men talking

Rebecca (38:09):
know this is

Jamie (38:10):
as soon as I

Rebecca (38:10):
I have two role models.

Jamie (38:12):
you have.
You work with good people.

Rebecca (38:14):
And she just says Really, really neutrally.
I have a question and I do this,and then I see my coworker do
this, and we just go, buckle thefuck up.
We know it's about to go down.

Jamie (38:27):
my God.

Rebecca (38:28):
And then when they hang themselves, finally she's like,
she lets it sit silent for awhile.
And she's like, okay, thank you.
Oh my God.

Jamie (38:41):
Good

Rebecca (38:42):
And you just, you just know, you know, you've witnessed
an assassination and it's somasterful.

Jamie (38:49):
love it.

Rebecca (38:51):
Those are the meetings that keep me going.
Honestly, if she's in a meetingYou bet.
I'm in that meeting.
Just for, just in case.

Jamie (38:58):
You're like looking at our schedule, like inviting
yourself to meetings.

Rebecca (39:03):
yeah.
Oh, hey.
Are you going to that one?
Me too.

Jamie (39:07):
Wait, did our thing not change?
Does it still say it's ourbirthday stream?

Rebecca (39:11):
No, it's not our birthday stand.

Jamie (39:13):
did I not

Rebecca (39:14):
was our birthday stand.

Jamie (39:15):
Did I not change it?
Oh, I did change it.
Oh.
Oh, it's the tag.
I didn't remove the tag.
That was last week.
Q sorry, sorry.
Missed it.
But we are doing a giveaway.

Rebecca (39:29):
$30.
Yeah,

Jamie (39:31):
If you do exclamation point giveaway, you can enter
our giveaway, raffle thing.
and you can win a t-shirt, andsome and or a t-shirt or
stickers.

Rebecca (39:44):
but cool Stickers, not like stupid ass stickers, like
cool holographic stickers.

Jamie (39:49):
Oh my God.
That's exactly what I said,

Rebecca (39:52):
What?

Jamie (39:52):
Girl.
I said You're giving Spice

Rebecca (39:54):
I mean, I thank you so

Jamie (39:55):
spice Girl vibes.

Rebecca (39:58):
with much for noticing.
What else?
Do you have scheduled time foryourself diarrhea?
10 15 to 10 27.
I do, I do schedule that in.

Jamie (40:09):
But I think that's actually genius.
Like now I'm like, I should havealways done my meetings that way
where I'm like, I'm setting thisfor an hour and a half, but it
should really only take like 40minutes or like 30 minutes.
just like give everybody timeback,

Rebecca (40:24):
I hate that.
I hate that phrase.
I'm giving you your time

Jamie (40:27):
I know I hate that too, but like if I'm actually giving
someone time back and notfucking five minutes, like if
someone does that for me, I'mlike, yes, please, please don't.
I mean, don't tell me, don'ttell me I'm giving you time
back, but.

Rebecca (40:46):
Is your, I was gonna say, it's not me giving you, is
your time being colonizedbecause like they're taking,
because you know you have to goanyway, so you're not willingly
giving it.
But they're still taking it.

Jamie (41:00):
They're just colonizers

Rebecca (41:02):
Our meetings, our work meetings, just time
colonization.

Jamie (41:06):
next week.
More high thoughts from Rebecca.
I think you guys are ontosomething.

Rebecca (41:15):
but also, can you imagine just in the middle of
the meeting going colonizer andjust see what happens.

Jamie (41:19):
then like them being like, I'm sorry, Rebecca, what
was that?
And you'd be like, what?

Rebecca (41:23):
Colonizer says what?

Jamie (41:25):
I wanna start crying, but you just don't, I'm not even
gonna be able to get, I'm tryingto get through the tips that
I've listed here.

Rebecca (41:34):
Listen, the other exhausting type of meeting is
the meeting that you have inyour shower.
Either pre the meeting you don'twanna go to, or after the
meeting you really fucked up inand didn't give that person a
piece of your fucking mind.
So having pretend meetings inyour head in the shower

Jamie (41:49):
Where you like tell people what you really think.

Rebecca (41:52):
Yes.
Or prep for those are like, it'sjust meetings all the

Jamie (41:55):
So when we're talking about meetings, I feel like
you're talking about any sort ofinteraction you have with
anybody.

Rebecca (42:03):
that takes up my time that I give to other people.
Yeah, pretty much.
Doctor's, appointment meeting,dentist office meeting therapy.
Actually a meeting, but they'reall meetings.
Really?
Yeah.
Pretty much.
You know what?

Jamie (42:21):
PTA

Rebecca (42:22):
want everyone to leave me alone.
I just want everyone to leave mealone and I just wanna stay in
my room.
I think that's the thesis ofthis whole podcast,

Jamie (42:30):
I thought you were gonna say.
I think that's the least you cando.

Rebecca (42:33):
honestly.
Yes.

Jamie (42:33):
I just wanna be, stay in my room and I want everyone to
leave me alone.
I think that's the least you cando,

Rebecca (42:38):
Oh shit.
You know what though?
I like the idea of time blockingyour calendar.
Like I've seen people be like,Hey, getting ready for the day,
do not schedule anything duringthis time.
Like that is really, actuallysmart.
Like

Jamie (42:47):
but I, I put busy all Torres here.
Hi babies.
I just woke up and wanted to sayhi before more sleep.
You both look super hot.

Rebecca (42:56):
Neil,

Jamie (42:57):
Love you.
Thank you for the sub

Rebecca (43:01):
meeting glow?

Jamie (43:02):
six, six months post-meeting.
We're in the middle of themeeting.

Rebecca (43:11):
Oh, and when your face turns bright red in the meeting
and everyone can fucking see it.

Jamie (43:16):
Turn off your camera.

Rebecca (43:19):
I can't.
I can't turn off my camera.
That's the thing.
When you're a manager, you gottaleave it on.
You gotta set a good example.

Jamie (43:25):
Not always.
You gotta take care

Rebecca (43:27):
I should just turn it off in the middle of talking.
Yeah, I'll just turn it off thenext time.
I'm just in the middle oftalking.
Just turn it

Jamie (43:31):
I didn't mean in the middle of you talking, but like

Rebecca (43:35):
No, I still like that idea.
I think it's a good

Jamie (43:36):
Sure, yeah, you could.
Yeah.
You could do that too.
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca (43:41):
Yeah,

Jamie (43:42):
Or you could, start with your camera off in some meetings
you can be like, oh, I'm sosorry, my like, baby.
And uh, it's the whole thingwith the dogs.

Rebecca (43:51):
Bailey, meanwhile, it's a golden doodle.

Jamie (43:54):
They're like, I didn't know you had, you had another
baby.
And then you're just like, ohyeah, forgot.
I do need to take maternityleave.
Just see, this is just settingyou up for success.
Going in camera off.

Rebecca (44:06):
You know what you miss though, while you've been
unemployed.
Google Meet Now has a newfeature where it will take

Jamie (44:12):
That hurt.

Rebecca (44:13):
you.
I'm sorry, but like you haven'tseen it in action yet.
Google Meet takes notes for youand whoever the whatever
language model they trained iton, it takes the most
contentious fucking meetings andturns them into such like pussy
milk toast.
Like, like Rebecca.

(44:34):
Rebecca expressed disagreementwhen I'm like, are you fucking
crazy in the actual meeting?
And is just as like Rebeccaexpressed surprise, and,
disappointment.

Jamie (44:43):
Does it really say that like

Rebecca (44:45):
yeah.
No, it really does it

Jamie (44:47):
so it knows your

Rebecca (44:49):
Z.
Yes, it can tell who's talking.
It knows who said what, and ittakes a transcript of the entire
meeting too.
It gives you receipts, Jamie,you have receipts.

Jamie (45:00):
go back to work again.
I will.

Rebecca (45:03):
So now on top of everything else, I have to be in
meetings and like, oh my God,this is gonna be on record.
Fuck fuzzy

Jamie (45:08):
Pussy milk toast.
All right, we gotta put that ona t-shirt now.
We'll do that cue.
Pussy milk toast.

Rebecca (45:15):
milk toast.

Jamie (45:16):
What would the imagery for that be like?

Rebecca (45:18):
I dunno.
But it's great.
Either way.
It's great.
And again, when someone is wrongabout something, now you have it
there in full receipt format.
You can be like, actually it hastaken, as I said in my last
email, or as per my last emailto a whole other fucking level,

Jamie (45:33):
Oh my god.

Rebecca (45:35):
I.

Jamie (45:35):
Stupid.
We don't have a whole lot on thestory yet, but we're working on
it.
Pussy milk toast will be next.
We do, we have aprons, which Iwas so happy about actually.
I like our journals.
I kind of need to get one of ourjournals and a

Rebecca (45:52):
If you get it, that will be the one that changes
your life.
That will be the one.

Jamie (45:55):
the right

Rebecca (45:56):
Get that notebook.
It's

Jamie (45:57):
That's what we need to put, we need to make a journal
that's like, this is thenotebook that will change your
life.
I think people already do that.
That's like some shit at Targetor something.

Rebecca (46:07):
Oh, I have to show you.
I was so

Jamie (46:08):
Target.
Shop Burnout Collective.
What?

Rebecca (46:12):
I was so embarrassed yesterday at my pens, or last
time we had, so I redid my pensand then I separated them into
highlighters and pencils andthen actual colored pens because
I was embarrassed by how sloppyit

Jamie (46:23):
I have my meds on my desk, so killing it.
It's kind of like your penthing.

Rebecca (46:30):
I also have my meds on my desk.
I don't know.
Jamie,

Jamie (46:35):
We don't like meetings.
I was so very like infamous forhating meetings at my last job.
Especially.

Rebecca (46:42):
you and I competed at Student Loan Hero to see whose
meeting could be the shortest.

Jamie (46:46):
Did we really?
I.

Rebecca (46:48):
Yes.
I got mine down to six minutes.
Once

Jamie (46:51):
I'm like, I don't remember this.
Rebecca's like I do.
I won.
I do.
I was the

Rebecca (46:55):
pretty short too.
You'd be in and out.
Like you were good at it too.
You could just be like, here'swhat you need to do, blah, blah,
blah.
Okay, bye.

Jamie (47:03):
I feel like if we did that then I would've just like
sent an email and been like, I'mnot doing a meeting.
My meeting's zero mic drop.

Rebecca (47:12):
I think we wanted to see each other, or maybe it was
like meeting with like ourdirect reports.
Something like that.

Jamie (47:17):
Oh, that's fair.

Rebecca (47:21):
Yeah.

Jamie (47:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
There are some times when youneed meetings, but I think those
are better.
I do notice not a lot of people,but I see now and then, and I
hope they mean it.
And it's not just trying to likebait people into applying, but I
do see companies that in the jdssay like, we.
Are like 90% meeting free.

(47:43):
Or like they say something like,we don't believe in like,
meetings.
this is the amount of me.
They'll even say like, this isthe amount of meetings you'd
have in this position.
And that's it.

Rebecca (47:52):
I don't believe that for one fucking second.

Jamie (47:55):
I, I, I guess I want to believe it.
like, I wanna

Rebecca (47:58):
Well, molder wanted to believe in aliens.
And guess what?

Jamie (48:02):
Yeah.
The truth is out there, Rebecca.

Rebecca (48:07):
This is how many meetings you'll have in

Jamie (48:08):
The truth is out there.
also just because this remindedme of it, uh, do you know
they're coming out with a Fasmphobia movie,

Rebecca (48:18):
Oh,

Jamie (48:18):
right?

Rebecca (48:20):
why?
Why?

Jamie (48:21):
Rob told me this, will, this, this?
And I didn't believe it.
'cause I was like, what are theygonna do?

Rebecca (48:27):
That's weird.

Jamie (48:29):
it's very weird.
Thank you.
Cute.

Rebecca (48:32):
mean, okay, I forgot.
I totally forgot what I wasgonna tell you

Jamie (48:38):
Oh,

Rebecca (48:39):
Oh, well I'll

Jamie (48:40):
was it about meetings?
Yeah.
If we like hang up and then youneed to schedule

Rebecca (48:44):
about meetings.
Yeah, it was about meetings

Jamie (48:48):
after this.
Like, usually Rebecca and I liketo like chit chat a little bit
after this, after this.
Like, she's literally gonna belike, all right, see ya.
Talk to you.
Talk to you tomorrow.
at 7:00

Rebecca (49:00):
no.
Oh no.
I remember what I was gonna say.
So Google Calendar also has thisfeature where I can tell you how
many hours you've spent so farin meetings.

Jamie (49:08):
Google, if you could sponsor us.

Rebecca (49:11):
That shit makes me actively suicidal,

Jamie (49:13):
Yeah.

Rebecca (49:14):
legitimately.
And I'm

Jamie (49:17):
They didn't have that before.
Yeah.

Rebecca (49:20):
and I think of all the things that I could have done in
that time.
I do the math, I'm like, okay, Ican read a book this long in six
hours, and that means I couldhave read 210 books last year.
Like that kind of shit.
And then it's just

Jamie (49:33):
Hey, manna.

Rebecca (49:35):
depressing.
Yeah.

Jamie (49:39):
Well, I'm telling you, you will open up a world of
possibilities if you ever decideto enter a meeting with your
camera off at the beginning.

Rebecca (49:51):
Here's the other thing that I just thought of.
Maybe this is another highthought.
Do you remember when we watchedlike the Jetsons and it would be
so cool that it was a like abasically FaceTime where it was,
you know, they were talking tosomeone on the screen and we're
like, that'll never, that'llnever fucking happen.
That is just so magical and likesuch a technological marvel and
now you and I are sitting hereand be like, we have to fucking
do Jetsons technology everyfucking day at our jobs and we

(50:12):
fucking hate it.

Jamie (50:13):
Yep.
Yeah.
That, that's true.

Rebecca (50:16):
We

Jamie (50:17):
Whatever.

Rebecca (50:17):
we're doing, and we have robot maids.
You have your Roomba.

Jamie (50:23):
And the, uh, litter robot.
The litter robot.
This

Rebecca (50:28):
Yep.

Jamie (50:29):
is also why I crocheted during meetings, reclaiming at
least my hands time.
Yeah, it's a nice way of lookingat it.
Alyssa.
Yes.
Marina.
Mute him.
Just kidding.

Rebecca (50:40):
or the rare meeting where you involuntarily cry.
That's the worst

Jamie (50:45):
Trying to think if I cry.
Oh yeah.
I did cry.
I actually cried in a layoffmeeting once.
It was the credible one I didn'tlike expect to, and that's like
it not normally me.

Rebecca (50:55):
that's, that's called involuntary crying, which I
literally just said aninvoluntary cry.

Jamie (51:00):
I was saying, yes, I've done that before, is what I was
saying.
Shut up, you're high.

Rebecca (51:07):
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
And then your boss has to sityou while you just do like the
wide-eyed, try not to blink, andthen you just do like the one
crazy tear down your face, andyour face is bright red and you
have like the adrenaline shakesand you're just like, it's fine.

Jamie (51:23):
my God.
That also describes, I guessthis has happened a couple
times, I wasn't even thinking,but when I was in office at the
place, Alyssa and I met, when Iwent to talk to my current
manager and the head of HR aboutlike, literally like how shitty
this other manager was treatingme.

(51:43):
Um, and they wanted me to put,then they were like, we're gonna
put you under her.
And I was like, lemme uh, let metalk to you guys.
And yeah, crying at work is theworst, but also necessary.

Rebecca (52:00):
you know what though?
I do like, I do like my directreport meetings, but I think
that's'cause we don't talk aboutwork like maybe for five
minutes.
But then like they tell me allthe shit that they're doing and
that's fun.
And it was like, how was yourvacation?
And like, what are you workingon in your yard?
And that I really like.
I like, oh my God, am I a personwho likes people at the office?
No.
No.
Maybe I just like it becauseit's a different meeting than

(52:20):
what I usually have to do,

Jamie (52:23):
Well, you said you don't like it when people talk about
their personal shit, but now allI'm hearing is I love it when
people talk about

Rebecca (52:28):
In a no, in a meeting where you're supposed to be
there for a reason in a meetingwhere you're supposed to be
there and everyone is there.
And then I have to, we have todo the

Jamie (52:35):
so you can be in a one-on-one with anybody and
enjoy hearing about their

Rebecca (52:41):
direct report

Jamie (52:42):
only.
Okay.

Rebecca (52:44):
only.

Jamie (52:44):
But sometimes you don't get to pick your direct report.

Rebecca (52:47):
Listen, Jamie, we already know that

Jamie (52:50):
I'm really devil's advocating so hard.

Rebecca (52:52):
in case, in case anyone hears this, who I have to have
direct report meetings with, Ineed you to know that I like
having meetings with you.
'cause I accidentally said thispodcast to my boss already.
So just saying out loud just incase.

Jamie (53:06):
Yep.

Rebecca (53:07):
Oh my God, that was so bad.

Jamie (53:09):
Get paid to socialize.
Rebecca is the manager and getsto set the tone.
It's true.
See, Alyssa is on your

Rebecca (53:16):
The tone is no.

Jamie (53:19):
The tone is, can we not?

Rebecca (53:21):
The tone is absolutely no.

Jamie (53:24):
The tone is if you don't have gossip, get out.

Rebecca (53:28):
what are we even doing here?
What are we even doing here?
Yeah.

Jamie (53:33):
Pussy milk, the tones.

Rebecca (53:35):
Well, did you ever take smoke breaks at work?
Like, did you ever do smokebreaks at work?
Like, I would say like slackhuddles are maybe like the
equivalent of smoke breaks at

Jamie (53:43):
Mm-hmm.
I could see that.

Rebecca (53:46):
get like, have, like, yeah, you just get to hang out
and just talk trash for a

Jamie (53:50):
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca (53:52):
hear about like someone's horrendous date and
then you go back to work.
I do like that

Jamie (53:55):
Yeah, I guess

Rebecca (53:57):
I can go, okay, I'm done, and then I hang up.
I do like that.
I do like being able to do that.
I set the tone and I get toleave, so like,

Jamie (54:05):
wow.
She didn't even smoke half orcigarette.
That's weird.
I guess she's trying to cutback.

Rebecca (54:10):
Oh, no, Jamie, I like, I like making

Jamie (54:13):
It's too much.
Yeah, I know.

Rebecca (54:16):
and I had a really sad thought today that I was like, I
am, I know me, and I'm nevergoing to get to the point where
like I just only go to meetingsand tell people what to do.
Like I'm always gonna be in aposition where I have to do some
type of work, but I'm just gonnaget more meetings added to my
plate and then I just got reallydepressed.

Jamie (54:34):
I mean start, set more boundaries, be more like I'm not
going to that meeting.
I would literally like talk toyour manager.

Rebecca (54:45):
But if I don't go to that meeting, then how am I
gonna know the good stuff whenit happens?

Jamie (54:49):
You like, tell like your friend that's there.
Just be like, Hey, update me ifthere's any gossip.
But other than that, don'tupdate me.

Rebecca (54:57):
You know what, maybe we could take turns, like trade
off.
Like I'll go to this meeting andyou don't go to that one.
If I, if you go to this meetingand I don't go to that.

Jamie (55:04):
That's brilliant.
Yeah.
And then like you could hold upa picture of that person next to
you like we did with Kate atthe,

Rebecca (55:12):
Yes.
Yes.
like they're there

Jamie (55:15):
they can hold up you to call attention to it for
everyone to be like, where'sRebecca?
She's right here.
No, really like covering like ascarf over like the stick She's
here.

Rebecca (55:26):
And because of my face, they would think it's the same.
It would just be me going and myface would not move the entire
time except just judgmentallooks.

Jamie (55:34):
You like R up, like an AI to like attend the meeting for
you.

Rebecca (55:39):
You can do that now, apparently.
You can have, there's like,there's like ai,

Jamie (55:44):
would love so much if I just came on one day and it was
a IUI mean I couldn't, I'm sureI'd tell immediately and I'd
just be like, oh gosh.

Rebecca (56:00):
It's smiling too

Jamie (56:01):
Yeah.
Oh, you guys?
Yeah,

Rebecca (56:06):
Oh, I'm sorry.
This was an episode of things wedon't like and we didn't even
get to talk about my workenemies.

Jamie (56:13):
feel free.
Please.
Go ahead.
List your work enemies.

Rebecca (56:16):
I can't

Jamie (56:17):
I can't.

Rebecca (56:18):
too

Jamie (56:18):
I can't.

Rebecca (56:19):
It's that's a whole, that's

Jamie (56:21):
Rebecca, this is your opportunity.

Rebecca (56:23):
that shit?
No, when they pull that shit,when they go, that's for another
meeting.
I'm like, just say it now.
Just say it now.
Let's not have another meeting.
Let's just get it all out now.
Like maybe we need to haveanother meeting about that.
I'm like, we don't.
We don't.
Just give me everything now.
Please.
Oh God.
Please don't set up a follow up.
A follow-up meeting is theworst.

Jamie (56:43):
Well, it's been real Jesus.
Bye, marina.

Rebecca (56:47):
But this is, but I mean, in all fucking
seriousness, this is the kind ofemotional, like mental labor,
like the invisible labor thatgoes into working, like having
to, having to prep for then inthe middle of the meetings,
having to moderate yourselfwhile also having to try to pay
attention while also like tryingto keep everything on track.

(57:09):
While, I mean, it is, it is, itreally does feel like you're
putting on a show every fuckingtime.
And I like what I do.
Like, I like, I love being aneditor actually, and I feel
sometimes that I don't actuallyget to do, like, I get so
excited when I get to editsomething, which is sad.
Like when I get to do my actualjob that I'm hired

Jamie (57:28):
That's how I always felt.

Rebecca (57:30):
Yeah.

Jamie (57:31):
And also even write, even write something.
But then that's when I getmyself into trouble.

Rebecca (57:35):
and like, and today you're like, you're burnt out.
I'm like, no, I'm fine.
And I'm like, no, I'm actuallynot

Jamie (57:41):
you're not at all please.

Rebecca (57:42):
I am so pe I'm so peopled out and I'm just, and I
know like this week was just,'cause we have like somebody new
and all that, but it's just,these are the weeks that I'm
like, oh my God, I just wanna golive in a hut in the woods and
not talk to anybody ever again.

Jamie (57:57):
Or in the middle of nowhere, like on a farm with all
your sister wives,

Rebecca (58:02):
And then if you wanna get really existential, like
what is this meeting for?
What, what, why are we here?
There are kids being literallyburned alive in Gaza and I'm
sitting here listening tosomeone talk about their fucking
golf weekend and who, what am Idoing this for?
We're just, and then you getlike really spiraly and then,
huh.

Jamie (58:20):
and then rinse, repeat, do it all over again.

Rebecca (58:23):
day.

Jamie (58:24):
Yeah.
It's like an episode of BlackMirror, but it's your life.

Rebecca (58:30):
Oh my god.

Jamie (58:31):
Hey Tyler.
I mean, seriously.
I have, I have an existentialcrisis like every day.
And

Rebecca (58:43):
yeah.
Yeah, that's, yep, that's true.

Jamie (58:48):
but like

Rebecca (58:49):
truck yesterday with a gay flag and a trans flag on the
other side, and it was likestolen gay valor because no
self-respecting gay man wouldever drive that truck in his
entire fucking life.
I just do need to say that, um,that is the one interesting
thing that has happened to methis week is I saw that and it
made me laugh very

Jamie (59:06):
excellent.
Excellent.
I saw like a mini, a mini one,

Rebecca (59:10):
things.

Jamie (59:11):
like, you know those children's cars?

Rebecca (59:14):
Yeah,

Jamie (59:14):
it was like that, but mini and it was at, yep.
And it was at, um, monsterPalooza.
Like some kid was like ridingaround in it and I was like.
First I said, Rob, why didn'tyou get me one of those?
And then, uh, yeah,

Rebecca (59:33):
See, I get the same feeling as like, would you punch
baby Hitler in the face?
It's like, would you smash achild's cyber truck?
Yes, I would.
I would do regular size Hitlerand

Jamie (59:46):
really don't wanna go to jail.
so I didn't.

Rebecca (59:49):
for punching Hitler in the face.
Oh, for

Jamie (59:52):
Right, right, right.
I would go to jail for punchingHiller in the face for sure.

Rebecca (59:57):
You are a hero, Jamie.

Jamie (59:59):
Real here.
I'm just, I'm still waiting onmy Eagle video.
I'm still just waiting on that.

Rebecca (01:00:06):
Oh, I know of this shit.
I

Jamie (01:00:08):
I know, I know.
I have to do

Rebecca (01:00:09):
I was in meetings.
I'm sorry.

Jamie (01:00:12):
I'm so sorry.
Too many meetings.
I'm like, Rebecca, I'm here.
You coming to pick me up fromthe airport?
I was like needing, sorry.

Rebecca (01:00:23):
I do like text you during the day just to let,
like, even if I can't respondlike more than one sentence, I'm
just like, I am alive.
Like, so like, let you know,

Jamie (01:00:32):
Even if it's just like I'll send you something and you
just like heart it or something.
I'm like, okay,

Rebecca (01:00:37):
yes, I am in the meeting, but I need you to know
that I, I do see it andappreciate you.
I just cannot respond right now.

Jamie (01:00:44):
You're like, I'm alive, but uh, I'm not doing well.
I gotta, they will have to gothrough me trans support shirt
today.
Oh cool.
That's awesome.
Nice cosmic.

Rebecca (01:00:57):
Very nice.
What are you doing to celebratePride this month?
Jamie,

Jamie (01:01:02):
I don't know.
I am, I.

Rebecca (01:01:06):
I think if you are part of the LGBTQ uh, A plus
Alliance, you should not get togo to meetings for all of June.
You can just say it'shomophobic.
They make you go to meetings, belike, this is homophobic.
And so you just get out of allmeetings for June.
Gay reparations.
It's a great idea.

Jamie (01:01:24):
Yeah, I would

Rebecca (01:01:26):
I would pull that shit so fast.
I'd be like, no, I can't.
I can't.
Okay.
I can't go to this meeting.
Sorry, I don't make the rules.
It's June.

Jamie (01:01:34):
I don't make the rules this true.
You're like, Target's merch thismonth says so.
So I,

Rebecca (01:01:42):
Oh wait.
I have to tell you this.
My dad listened to the Star Trekdads episode and he really
connected with that and I waslike.

Jamie (01:01:51):
you really connected with that or was like, how dare you?

Rebecca (01:01:55):
No, and I was like, Hey, guess what?
I have news for you.

Jamie (01:01:58):
You're like, here's Dr.
Priest's information.
Oh my God.

Rebecca (01:02:03):
I'm just wondering how many other people's parents
heard that and were like, I it.
That is so weird.

Jamie (01:02:10):
I I think my dad asked about like that title and I
just, I told him, but I don'tknow if he listened to it, but

Rebecca (01:02:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was like, it was just weird.
I, I would always go and checkto make sure the light switches
were turned off multiple timesand that the fridge door was
closed and I was like, really?
You don't say they look at likeme and then his granddaughter
and I'm like, that's so crazy.

Jamie (01:02:36):
Oh

Rebecca (01:02:36):
wonder where that came from.

Jamie (01:02:39):
Yeah, I did see

Rebecca (01:02:41):
Yes, it's the homophobic.
Is this is homophobic is theL-G-B-T-Q equivalent of I have a
boyfriend.
Yes it is.
This is homophobic.

Jamie (01:02:48):
so wrong, but also

Rebecca (01:02:51):
We should do that

Jamie (01:02:52):
like, I wanna be a part of this.

Rebecca (01:02:55):
yell, colonizer in a meeting or this is homophobic.

Jamie (01:02:58):
Uh, notice you weren't at that meeting, Rebecca.
Is there a reason why

Rebecca (01:03:03):
is homophobic.

Jamie (01:03:04):
that meeting was so homophobic?

Rebecca (01:03:07):
Mm-hmm.

Jamie (01:03:09):
it was about?

Rebecca (01:03:10):
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I don't wanna be damaged bythat.
I can't take on that emotionaldamage.
Thank you.
It's already my people's year ormonth, year, whatever.
It's our year now.

Jamie (01:03:21):
I'm gonna start going colonizer.
So Rebecca colonizer, oh, thisis not how I thought this
episode would go necessarily.

Rebecca (01:03:33):
I didn't, but I got really sad talking about this
and like are we gotta like

Jamie (01:03:37):
Yeah.

Rebecca (01:03:38):
find the silver lining and the silver lining is if you
are gay or any of that and it'sJune, you don't have to go to
meetings.
We said so we can write you anote

Jamie (01:03:47):
or any of that like, or any of that kind of thing?
Those, that gay stuff.

Rebecca (01:03:52):
of that.
You're not gay stuff.

Jamie (01:03:56):
I mean, I feel like we're done here.
I don't, I feel like we've donethe damage that we need to do.

Rebecca (01:04:04):
They took up my time, so I took up yours.
Fuck you.

Jamie (01:04:08):
Yeah,

Rebecca (01:04:09):
Thanks for coming.

Jamie (01:04:10):
what the, that's what the title of this episode should be.
They wasted my time, so I'mwasting yours in rebellion comma
colonizers.

Rebecca (01:04:21):
right.
If college age, me and collegeage youth saw what our jobs as
adults are and we saw that 85%of them are sitting, listening
to other people talk, we wouldhave fucking killed ourselves so
fast.

Jamie (01:04:35):
No.
'cause I think, remember how yousaid early in your career you
were like, like I'm missing out.
I wanna be in meetings and inpuller.

Rebecca (01:04:42):
No, no, no.
This is before we started.
I'm saying like when we were inschool or like when we were like
before we started working.
If we saw into the future totoday at 40-year-old us and it
was like, Hey, 85% of your timeis sitting in meetings listening
to men talk.
No, I would not want that for

Jamie (01:04:58):
I mean the, the man part or something.
But I feel like back then Ididn't know any better.
So I would be like, oh, I justget to sit in meetings all day
and not really do anything.
Like, I'd be like, oh, okay.
But I guess that's not true.
'cause

Rebecca (01:05:12):
Yeah.
I don't know.

Jamie (01:05:14):
We'll go.
We'll go ahead and give you guysthis five minutes back.
Yeah.

Rebecca (01:05:18):
Listen, Jamie, when we start our own company, we will
make the rules about meetings.

Jamie (01:05:22):
Yeah,

Rebecca (01:05:23):
Well, I mean like when we have people who work for us,
who we can boss around and tellno to, we will make the rules
about meetings and uh, we justwon't have any.

Jamie (01:05:31):
yeah.

Rebecca (01:05:33):
And if they do call a meeting and it could have been
an email, we will figure out anappropriate way to like lovingly
but shame

Jamie (01:05:40):
Yeah, shame

Rebecca (01:05:40):
that they don't do

Jamie (01:05:41):
But in like a loving, funny way.
Maybe

Rebecca (01:05:44):
but like also slightly passive, aggressive enough that
they won't fucking do it again.

Jamie (01:05:50):
fucking nobody's gonna wanna work for us.
I'm gonna need you to calm down.
Yes.
Funny.
But also in a passive aggressiveway to make them feel like shit.

Rebecca (01:06:02):
That hurts their feelings just enough.

Jamie (01:06:05):
That hurts their heart from the inside out.
Great.

Rebecca (01:06:10):
God.
This is my villain.
This is my villain origin story.
I think

Jamie (01:06:14):
meetings.

Rebecca (01:06:15):
the girl, the girl who had too many meetings and became
a heinous bitch,

Jamie (01:06:20):
The girl who had too many meetings.
That's also a good title.
I'm gonna forget every one ofthese when I do titles.

Rebecca (01:06:28):
if, see if we were using fucking Google meat, it
would remember

Jamie (01:06:32):
That's what we should have done.
I should have thought to like,pull us on.
And instead of our background,we're actually in like a Zoom
call or Google meet call

Rebecca (01:06:43):
That would've been

Jamie (01:06:44):
missed opportunities y'all.
Sorry about that.

Rebecca (01:06:48):
thank you for coming though.
Thank you for coming.
I, I realize not every week islike this.
And I appreciate Emma's patienceis

Jamie (01:06:55):
Patience is

Rebecca (01:06:56):
I slowly, no patience as I, I was gonna say, as I
slowly unwind from a week ofbeing like this,

Jamie (01:07:06):
all right.
Love you guys.
Bye.

Rebecca (01:07:08):
love you guys.
Bye.