June 3, 2025 • 52 mins
Since it's our birthday month and we wanted to do a special stream, we did what anyone else would have done and procrastinated until the last day of the month for our stream (and giveaway announcement!).
But first, we decided to take a little journey down memory lane and share stories from when we were kids. We reminisce about hilarious and cringey high school moments, talk about our childhood dreams, and wonder if we would ever actual have been friends in school (Rebecca says absolutely not).
Rebecca shares how she was once grounded from the library and Jamie shares about the time she got grounded for an entire month from music.
And yes, you heard us right: We're doing a giveaway! You can win some burnout merch—like stickers or a T-shirt! Follow us on socials and listen in for deets on how to enter our Burnout Birthday Giveaway.
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REBECCA (00:00):
you know how they have gender reveal cakes?
They need to do one for likeautism and A DHD adult
diagnoses.
you just get a cake and if youcut it and it's, if it's
funfetti, then you have like aDHD.
I am Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
(00:21):
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.
JAMIE (00:25):
Hello.
REBECCA (00:27):
Hi, welcome back.
Welcome to our birthday stream.
JAMIE (00:31):
Oh my God.
How you, I always forget whichway you are.
Happy birthday Rebecca.
REBECCA (00:37):
Happy birthday, Jamie.
Happy.
No, that's the other way right
JAMIE (00:40):
Happy
REBECCA (00:41):
there.
It's happy.
JAMIE (00:42):
birthday.
REBECCA (00:44):
Happy belated birthday to us.
It was our birthday month.
JAMIE (00:47):
We were supposed to see each other, but I got COVD.
REBECCA (00:50):
got sick.
JAMIE (00:52):
thank you.
Paper.
Happy birthday month.
Yeah, it's like over, but we hadsome stuff to do before we could
do this.
REBECCA (01:00):
Yeah.
JAMIE (01:02):
Hey
REBECCA (01:02):
supposed to talk about, just growing up, but Jamie said
as a birthday present, she'sgonna let me talk about my list
of work enemies for an hour.
I'm very excited.
JAMIE (01:09):
no wonder you didn't wanna do an outline, you were
just gonna throw that in thereand start listing.
Your outline is just like thelist of enemies that you have in
your head is, yeah.
Okay.
REBECCA (01:19):
test how bad your headache is and whether or not
you're just gonna let me do it.
JAMIE (01:22):
Yeah, I've had a migraine all day, but I'm here and
Rebecca's here to make it worse,so we're killing it.
REBECCA (01:32):
Number one.
JAMIE (01:33):
Coming in at number five is
REBECCA (01:36):
you get anything nice for your birthday
JAMIE (01:39):
I got mu I got money, so that was
REBECCA (01:42):
Money is great.
We love money.
JAMIE (01:46):
the boyfriend that got me, like a, a riot girl book
REBECCA (01:52):
Nice.
JAMIE (01:53):
and some cool, like Seattle'cause I was supposed to
go there, but some cool likeSeattle merch, like a mug and
some sub pop stickers and pinsand stuff, so that was nice.
REBECCA (02:04):
Very nice.
JAMIE (02:05):
What about you?
REBECCA (02:07):
I got, two bespoke crocheted, not dolls, but
objects from you, from our good.
Sorry.
Good From
JAMIE (02:15):
Oh, you, you said it so weird.
I didn't know what you weretalking about.
I was like,
REBECCA (02:19):
I'm trying to figure out what they were.
It's like they're bespoke'causerequested, but they're not
dolls,
JAMIE (02:26):
crocheted items.
REBECCA (02:30):
ojs.
and then I got a potting benchfor
JAMIE (02:33):
Oh, nice.
Oh, that's cool.
You have to send me a picture.
REBECCA (02:38):
I am entering middle aged the right way stuff for my
garden.
JAMIE (02:43):
That's awesome.
I always wanted to get one and Iwas gonna get one to put on my
balcony at my apartment here,which would take up like a big
part of my balcony.
REBECCA (02:53):
But honestly I was doing potting in the kitchen
where it was just like dirteverywhere and I'm like crouched
like a goblin on newspapers andthis is so much easier.
I can just stand.
It's the right height.
And
JAMIE (03:03):
Yeah.
I would sit down on the groundoutside on my balcony and do it
and
REBECCA (03:08):
yes, it's the perfect hip height.
JAMIE (03:11):
We'll have to, we'll have to put a link to your potting
bench in the show notes.
REBECCA (03:15):
Do you feel like you're 40?
JAMIE (03:17):
No,
REBECCA (03:19):
I don't either.
JAMIE (03:20):
it's weird.
It's like weird.
REBECCA (03:25):
I think I've said it before, but I feel like we're
owed.
I, as far as life experiencegoes, we're at 38 years.
'cause of the lockdown.
that's two years of experiencethat we didn't have that we just
sat inside.
JAMIE (03:35):
Yeah.
REBECCA (03:35):
we're 40.
But life experience wise, we'veonly had 38 years.
And I think that's the, thedisconnect that I'm having with
all this and like why it's sohard.
JAMIE (03:43):
I did tell Adon the other day when he was here that I was
like, I feel like I was just 38,not like 39.
Like I feel like I was just 38.
REBECCA (03:52):
Yes, yes.
JAMIE (03:56):
I dunno, forever.
38.
You know how people are like,I'm not 40 yet, it's my, I'm
having my like 10th, 21stbirthday or whatever, something
like that.
I'm like,
REBECCA (04:09):
38, part two.
JAMIE (04:11):
yeah.
I'm like forever 38, justwhatever.
REBECCA (04:17):
don't know.
I'm still getting used to it.
But as birthday presents from usto you we did decide to do a
giveaway.
We
JAMIE (04:24):
Yeah.
We're gonna do a giveaway.
It's actually gonna last forabout a month.
So it'll end the 26th of June.
REBECCA (04:33):
We are going to be giving away, some of our merch.
You have your choice of a packof burnout stickers or burnout
t-shirt.
If you join our channel, ifthat's our first entry, your
first entry is if you join ourchannel, that's free.
Anyone can do it.
if you would like two additionalentries, you can subscribe to
our channel or you can give us$30.
(04:54):
So that's two extra entries.
JAMIE (04:57):
$30.
REBECCA (04:59):
Might as well no$5.
If you donate$5 to us, viaPayPal, again, we'll have links
in the show notes.
and Jamie has created a wholepage with all the rules on it.
but yeah, you can have the threeentries and then on the 26th we
will, do a random drawing and,whoever we choose, will message
(05:20):
you and you'll have your pick ofwhat you want us to send you.
You don't need to buy anythingto do this.
If you do want additionalentries, subscribe to our Switch
channel.
Or donate to us via PayPal.
And actually, Jamie taught methis, you can subscribe to us
for a free month if you haveAmazon Prime, which I did not
know.
So I did that.
JAMIE (05:39):
Yep.
But Rebecca won't be entered inthe giveaway.
Don't
REBECCA (05:42):
No, no, no.
I will.
No, no, no, no.
This is not for us.
This is for you
JAMIE (05:45):
Rebecca's so I did that extra.
You're like, I also donated$30.
REBECCA (05:51):
Yeah.
It's our, it's like our partybag.
like when people come to ourbirthday parties and you give
them a goodie bag to go homewith, it's, it's our goodie bag
to you.
JAMIE (05:59):
Yeah.
REBECCA (06:01):
But in June,'cause May is for us
JAMIE (06:03):
Yeah, exactly.
June is for the Geminis.
REBECCA (06:11):
eyes.
JAMIE (06:12):
yeah.
Is that, what else do we havefor,
REBECCA (06:15):
Oh, if you haven't caught our latest episode, we
had, Dr.
Priyanka on, last week to talkabout, A DHD in adults and
especially women.
It was super enlightening, superinformational, very interesting.
she was a great guest.
lovely to talk to, and check herout.
we've added her, she still, shedoes coaching with adults too,
and she also does autism and ADHD diagnosis.
(06:36):
Diagnoses, diagnosis, diagnosesfor adults.
so all that information is inour show notes.
if that's something that you areinterested in finding out.
JAMIE (06:47):
Yeah, so check out that episode.
If you missed it, it's here onTwitch and also wherever you get
your podcasts.
REBECCA (06:54):
This is, this is the gummy kicking in.
I can tell.
you know how they have gender,gender reveal cakes?
They need to do one for likeautism and A DHD adult
diagnoses.
you just get a cake and if youcut it and it's, if it's
funfetti, then you have a DHD.
JAMIE (07:12):
And if it's not, then everyone's just oh,
REBECCA (07:17):
If it's plain vanilla, that's autism.
JAMIE (07:20):
I thought plain vanilla would be neurotypical.
REBECCA (07:24):
no, this is just like the most, the, the safest
flavor.
So
JAMIE (07:30):
Or it's like different colors.
It's like you have autism blue,
REBECCA (07:34):
yes.
JAMIE (07:35):
you have a DHD purple.
REBECCA (07:38):
know what, after we're done this, I'm gonna email pre
you and be like,
JAMIE (07:41):
You're bipolar black.
Sorry.
REBECCA (07:45):
No, bipolar should be the funfetti.
JAMIE (07:47):
Oh, should it?
Yeah.
REBECCA (07:52):
Yeah, we'll email pre and be like, listen, if you
wanna do an add-on for new
JAMIE (07:56):
how do you feel about cakes?
REBECCA (08:01):
get a bakery sponsorship.
JAMIE (08:03):
yeah.
Oh man.
REBECCA (08:06):
But yeah, so check that out.
it's great.
Morgan's episode will be out, onTuesday.
Again, sorry about the delay.
We had some audio issues, but,one of our very good friends
fixed it for us, and so I'll beputting that together this
weekend.
I am so sorry for the delay.
I did not want to do that, but Iwanted to make sure we were able
to put her episode out and haveit be quality, because that was
also a great episode.
(08:27):
burnout and dating was
JAMIE (08:29):
that was really fun.
That was really fun with Morgan.
Yeah.
So that'll be out soon.
it's already here on Twitch inthe VADs if you wanna check it
out.
It was episode 23.
but yeah, we'll have it out,this upcoming week.
Awesome.
REBECCA (08:42):
Yeah, I think that's about
JAMIE (08:44):
I think that's it for like
REBECCA (08:45):
about, let's talk about little us.
JAMIE (08:51):
little Jamie and little Rebecca.
I do always wonder if we wouldever be friends, like if we were
near each other.
I feel like
REBECCA (08:58):
no.
We would not be,
JAMIE (09:01):
How do you know, what do you know about little Jamie?
REBECCA (09:04):
because you, all you said was when I was like, did
you get bullied in high school?
And you were like, I was the onewho bullied people.
JAMIE (09:10):
See, no, but like I, but I bullied the bullies and then
the popular kids.
REBECCA (09:18):
No, I still don't think so.
JAMIE (09:21):
I was
REBECCA (09:21):
I wouldn't be friends with me if I was little,
JAMIE (09:24):
did you, so did all of your years and like the trauma
that came with them make youlike the funny person you are
today?
Or were you always this funny?
REBECCA (09:35):
Oh, I remember telling Hannah, this is the type of
friend I was, cannot believe Iwas undiagnosed for so long.
I let her know because it was mysacred duty.
It's her best friend to let herknow when she had a bad breath.
So no, I didn't have a lot offriends as a kid because that's
the type of friendship that Ibrought to the table.
JAMIE (09:53):
you just do?
You'd just talk to her and belike, your breath is gross
today.
REBECCA (09:57):
I'd be like, your breath is really smelling 17.
JAMIE (10:00):
Okay.
REBECCA (10:01):
I would want to know.
I, I would want to know.
JAMIE (10:06):
It's like telling somebody, like a stranger in
public that their tags out ortheir flies down, or they have
bad breath.
REBECCA (10:15):
Yeah.
I just, I was like, this is mybest friend.
Clearly I am, I am obligated totell her.
that didn't go great.
and then when we moved toPennsylvania, I decided to make
friends with a neighborhoodgirl, and she wouldn't let me
play with her because I didn'thave an American girl doll.
So I slapped her across theface.
again, that's the friendship Ibring to the table.
JAMIE (10:37):
as you do.
And Rebecca's and now this ishow we get into my list of my,
my top 10 enemies
REBECCA (10:46):
Valerie
JAMIE (10:47):
number.
Yeah.
Number 10, Valerie, secondgrade.
REBECCA (10:51):
she came to my wedding, so like we, we made up.
But yeah, that's again, realdifficult time making friends
really unregulated.
Did not people well, it was nota good time.
I don't think we would've beenfriends.
JAMIE (11:03):
Oh my God.
This one girl who was my friendin I feel like this was like
sixth grade.
she, like everybody knew thatshe was a klepto.
Like she would seal everything.
And I remember this one time shelike stole, I bought these like
new pens and first of all, pensare important to me now as an
adult.
(11:24):
as a kid.
Like new pens are like an evenbigger deal.
Are you gonna show us pens?
Oh my
REBECCA (11:30):
I have a box lipstick and hair pens in there too, but
I have a box full of like thespecial good pens that I hide
upstairs that my family can'tuse.
I very much understand theimportance of pens.
JAMIE (11:41):
is there's more than pens in here, but
REBECCA (11:44):
Oh, that's, that's a cute collection.
JAMIE (11:45):
What do we got?
No, I have more.
These are just like what'savailable?
REBECCA (11:49):
Those are your special beds.
JAMIE (11:51):
These are my special bugs.
I'm doing, I'm doing this forthe still later.
REBECCA (11:57):
I love.
I'll just, all right, then, holdon
JAMIE (12:00):
Oh yeah.
REBECCA (12:01):
You hold your bun.
There we go.
I very much understand theimportance of pens
JAMIE (12:07):
Oh my God.
REBECCA (12:09):
and pen tech.
JAMIE (12:10):
pat subscribed.
REBECCA (12:11):
you.
Pat Pen.
Technology.
In the nineties, it smelledreally good.
They had a bunch of likedifferent like spark, gel pens
had just come out.
So like we grew up in the middleof advanced pen technology.
Don't tell me that gel pensweren't a big fucking deal
JAMIE (12:28):
it was a
REBECCA (12:28):
in elementary
JAMIE (12:29):
It was a
REBECCA (12:30):
It was a huge deal.
JAMIE (12:31):
I know, I know.
but anyway, she stole like acouple of my pens and it was, I,
I, I don't know like where itwas, but like my mom had put my
initials on them in likeSharpie?
No, they were not engrave.
(12:51):
Like Sharpie.
Yeah.
Let's the poor man's engravingSharpie, the poor mom's
engraving sharpie.
oh my god.
Lisa Frank.
Yes.
REBECCA (13:04):
oh, Lisa Frank pens.
JAMIE (13:06):
Lisa Frank trapper keepers.
Dude, engraved your scissors.
What the fuck?
So these pens said GY on themand she stole them.
And then I was like, HeyCourtney.
and yes, that is her real name.
Hey Courtney, you stole my pens.
And she's no, these are mine.
(13:26):
And I was like, they literallyhave my initials on them.
And she's oh, I just put that onthere.
That's what she said.
Oh, I just put.
REBECCA (13:34):
starts with j and a y, apparently.
JAMIE (13:36):
I just put that on there and I'm like, you wrote my
initials on your pen.
REBECCA (13:42):
it's gonna be really funny when she hears this'cause
it gets back to her.
She'd be like, I was beingmolested back then.
JAMIE (13:47):
Oh my God.
Rebecca.
Jesus Christ.
REBECCA (13:53):
I was just crying for help and no one saw me.
JAMIE (13:56):
Rob says, happy birthday babies.
Thank you, Rob.
I still have my scissors fromelementary school.
I'll send a picture later.
Okay.
That also might be in the shownotes because what the fuck?
REBECCA (14:08):
yes.
Pat's the picture
JAMIE (14:09):
that's really weird.
REBECCA (14:12):
was always that girl though, who stole shit from
everyone.
JAMIE (14:14):
I know.
REBECCA (14:15):
I don't know why, just stealing.
JAMIE (14:17):
It was so annoying and it was just like, why?
REBECCA (14:22):
Did you steal it back from her or did you just give
up?
JAMIE (14:24):
I don't remember.
I think
REBECCA (14:26):
You should have slapped her across the
JAMIE (14:28):
I know I should, I should have, see, I needed you as a
friend.
You would've slapped her acrossthe face for me.
REBECCA (14:34):
was like.
JAMIE (14:36):
Oh, God.
See, everybody has stuff evenYeah.
Paper head stuff stolen fromher.
It's, it's a lot.
REBECCA (14:48):
We wonder why I got tested for special ed.
Yeah, would.
I would've, I don't know.
I really don't think we wouldhave.
It was awkward and growing upwas weird, but although, you
know what, with your dad being apastor, we actually might have,
we might have been churchfriends, like youth group
friends where we like talk onSundays.
JAMIE (15:08):
Okay,
REBECCA (15:09):
I'll give us that.
JAMIE (15:10):
so enemies then.
REBECCA (15:11):
That
JAMIE (15:14):
So church enemies is what you're
REBECCA (15:15):
church enemies.
Yeah.
JAMIE (15:18):
Oh God.
REBECCA (15:19):
did you have, did you have a lot of friends when you
were growing up though?
JAMIE (15:23):
I had a good amount of friends.
Like I wasn't, I don't know,basically I think I was just
like friends with anyone wholike wasn't an asshole.
So a lot of my friends,especially in middle school,
high school, the goth punk,reject stoner, like very
(15:49):
neurodivergent, kids like those,they were all my friends.
That was like my closest groupof friends.
And then yeah.
REBECCA (16:01):
I had like periphery friends.
Scott was, Scott was one of myreally good friends.
and then like just peripheryband and choir friends.
and then I had Val and Jana asmy two best friends in high
school.
JAMIE (16:12):
Val and Jana.
Oh my God.
Wow.
REBECCA (16:15):
they were both, they were both Catholic and went to
the same church.
and so I was not part of thatfun
JAMIE (16:20):
Because you were a heathen.
REBECCA (16:22):
I was, and not a virgin, so I got a lot of shit
from them.
So it was too, I think it waslike one of those things where
it was like, you can't ever havea threesome friendship'cause
it's like always gonna be twopeople against the other.
And we just take turns on, likepairing up who we, who was
together and Yeah.
JAMIE (16:39):
I know that that's how it works, but fuck
REBECCA (16:42):
school girls.
That's how it works.
JAMIE (16:46):
I remember it.
REBECCA (16:46):
I had Jack
JAMIE (16:47):
yeah.
REBECCA (16:48):
No, no, go ahead.
No
JAMIE (16:49):
No, and then you had,
REBECCA (16:51):
I had Jackie, who was my other best friend, and every
boy I dated in high school madeout with her and cheated on me
with her.
JAMIE (16:58):
oh, great friend,
REBECCA (17:01):
Yeah.
And now she's a lesbian.
JAMIE (17:02):
she's number eight on the enemy's
REBECCA (17:04):
Serious.
It's not right.
So I just found it weird thatshe always made out with my
boyfriends, but I'm like, youdidn't even like boys Jackie.
So I don't know.
So
JAMIE (17:15):
was trying to make you jealous and then make out with
you.
REBECCA (17:20):
what I get for dating kids in band though.
It's fucking weirdos.
JAMIE (17:25):
I've heard some things about like band and
REBECCA (17:29):
It is all true.
JAMIE (17:34):
I just mean, I just, I feel like though that wasn't
true at my school because that'squestionable.
REBECCA (17:45):
Did you have a marching band?
JAMIE (17:50):
I actually don't know.
I'm thinking of, I don't thinkso.
REBECCA (17:55):
Okay.
'cause if you had a marchingband, it's all true.
JAMIE (17:58):
Okay.
Maybe that's the
REBECCA (17:59):
it's all true.
JAMIE (18:00):
don't think we did.
I'm trying to remember.
REBECCA (18:03):
one of our marching band teachers, had a behind the
scenes affair with one of theflag girls.
And then they got married.
JAMIE (18:09):
They got married.
REBECCA (18:11):
He got married once she was of age.
so he was a predator.
there was a lot of stuffhappening on the back of the
band bus, like full on.
JAMIE (18:23):
The back of the band.
Bus
REBECCA (18:25):
Yeah.
Band kids are gross.
JAMIE (18:28):
B, BB.
REBECCA (18:29):
gross.
Yeah.
So everything you've heard it'scorrect.
I dunno,
JAMIE (18:33):
you were in band, you were
REBECCA (18:35):
you were a cheerleader though, right?
JAMIE (18:37):
I was a cheerleader for
REBECCA (18:39):
Yeah.
We would not have been
JAMIE (18:40):
A couple grades, like two grades.
I wasn't, this was, I'm talking
REBECCA (18:45):
And you were a jock.
You played volleyball too, so wereally wouldn't
JAMIE (18:48):
but this was all like middle school, like grade
school, middle school in highschool.
The only thing I did my freshmanyear, I loved volleyball so
much.
Everything else I hated.
but I did try everything.
and so I was like, I'll go outfor volleyball.
And then I never did it againbecause I was just like, I hate
(19:09):
my school.
I don't wanna be around thesepeople any more than I have to.
so yeah, I think you mean theback of the JV volleyball bus?
REBECCA (19:19):
Ooh, the v volleyball girls.
JAMIE (19:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like,
REBECCA (19:24):
Jamie, what they say about the volleyball bus?
JAMIE (19:28):
I don't know.
I don't think so.
yeah, I'm still
REBECCA (19:34):
in band or choir?
Did you, did you do anything?
JAMIE (19:38):
we like had to be in choir.
Everybody had to do choir inlike grade school, middle
school.
REBECCA (19:45):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (19:46):
I may have been in choir my freshman year of high school,
but then again was like, Nope.
REBECCA (19:51):
really?
JAMIE (19:54):
And band.
I could never be in band becausemy parents couldn't afford like
the instrument and stuff.
So I, and the thing is, thefunny thing is I like begged to
be in band.
I was like, please, I just wannabe in band.
'cause like my friends are inband and it seemed cool to me at
the time.
REBECCA (20:12):
I did honors choir.
I did all the choir.
I did like pit orchestra.
I competed for the district.
I placed fifth in district foraltos.
JAMIE (20:23):
Wow.
REBECCA (20:24):
Yeah.
So I, I was in band and choir.
JAMIE (20:28):
What were you playing?
What did you play?
REBECCA (20:31):
I did the flute.
I did symphony and then Iaccompanied the choir too when I
wasn't singing.
So
JAMIE (20:37):
Oh, piano.
Cool.
I didn't know that.
Nice.
REBECCA (20:44):
No one had any friends.
JAMIE (20:45):
Yeah.
REBECCA (20:47):
Did your, did your older siblings go to the same
school and did you have thatweird thing like were they into
sports or something where it waslike, ah, you know their little
sisters here and they expectedgreat things out of you, and
you're like, I don't do any ofthis.
JAMIE (21:01):
happened was it was like, oh, you're so-and-so's little
sister.
Oh, you're so-and-so's littlesister.
That's all it was.
However,
REBECCA (21:11):
okay.
JAMIE (21:12):
my siblings friends, like always thought I was really
cool.
Like they would hang out withme.
They would be like they, beforethey came over they would bring
me ice cream or something.
REBECCA (21:26):
No one made you be the table or anything.
JAMIE (21:29):
no, Rebecca, I think that's a very specific to, to
your sister experience.
Rachel, I'm so sorry.
REBECCA (21:40):
sorry, Rachel, we're really sorry.
JAMIE (21:42):
Oh my God.
REBECCA (21:43):
though, that they wanted to hang out with the
little sister.
JAMIE (21:45):
Did, did Rachel ever get any of that?
oh, you're Rebecca's sister.
REBECCA (21:49):
No, they built a new school, a new high school when
she was going into that, so Ithink she went to my high school
for one year and then they allswitched over.
So it was a brand new school andnobody, my mom worked at my
school though, my senior year,and that was fun.
JAMIE (22:04):
Oh,
REBECCA (22:05):
Yeah, so I, I saw her a lot in high school.
JAMIE (22:11):
My friend's mom was our English teacher, like our last
couple years of, or our last,our first two years of high
school.
And her name was also Jackie, myfriend.
She was my good friend for avery long time throughout
elementary, through high school.
And but she was one of the more,she was very sporty, very
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popular.
and I was still friends withher, but we still hung in
different circles.
But, her mom is actually theEnglish teacher who accused me
of plagiarism.
My freshman, my freshman yearwas freshman or sophomore,
REBECCA (22:50):
Oh,
JAMIE (22:51):
and that was before they had so this was long ago.
This was before they like, couldeasily check these things.
And she called me a,
REBECCA (22:58):
it?
'cause it was too.
What do you mean?
Was it too good?
Or like what?
Why was she, oh shit.
JAMIE (23:03):
she was like, I don't, I don't remember what words I
used, but I guess for a highschool student, she thought it
was like bullshit.
but at that point, like by thetime I was in high school, high
school, I like wrote a lot.
Like I was always writing, I wasalways reading.
And she was like, this is veryclearly plagiarized.
And I was like, what?
Because she called me afterclass and I literally thought
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she was gonna congratulate me onmy paper.
And she's this is obviouslyplagiarized.
And I was like, it is.
I was like, no.
I was like, I did not.
And she had to take my word forit and I could tell she was
still skeptical, but she waslike, I'll choose to believe you
or whatever.
And I was like, this is
REBECCA (23:41):
Oh, okay.
JAMIE (23:42):
Yeah.
so that was fucked up.
REBECCA (23:47):
That's really interesting.
That ex, so I read a lot as akid too.
Like
JAMIE (23:51):
yeah.
REBECCA (23:52):
a lot, like I was my own reading group through most
of elementary school and likewhen I finished my work early,
they'd just let me go read inthe corner.
JAMIE (23:59):
In the corner.
REBECCA (24:00):
they would, they'd be like, if you want, you
JAMIE (24:02):
read in your corner, Rebecca, go in your corner.
REBECCA (24:05):
Literally, I just read all the time.
So my writing was very not likemy peers and my teachers would
be like, what are you doinghere?
and I don't know, maybe that'slike why we went into our
careers that we did, but it wasjust always there.
JAMIE (24:22):
Yeah.
That was my thing.
I've I wanted to be a writer fora, a very long
REBECCA (24:27):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (24:28):
and I can, I always thank, my grandma, my grandma
Elsie, who I.
Had me doing crosswords andplaying Scrabble at like very
young ages.
'cause she was obsessed.
She wrote a lot of poetryherself, and she was a really
good writer.
my mom did a lot of good poetryand like my mom, like when we
were growing up, when we werelittle, my mom would write these
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like rhyming birthday songs,like customized birthday songs
for us and stuff.
So my mom too.
and I had a really awesomeEnglish teacher in like middle
school that I loved Mrs.
Lemke.
Love You.
and I just was like, I wanna bea writer.
But of course, like when you'rea kid and you're like, I wanna
be a writer, you're like, I'mgonna write a book.
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that's what you think.
You're like, I'm gonna write abook.
Or maybe it'll be like, sex inthe City and I'll write a column
for the New York Times.
that's what you think.
And then,
REBECCA (25:19):
I, I always wanted to be an editor'cause I just wanted
to read books.
I never wanted to be a writer.
I was just like, I can readbooks all day long that someone
wrote.
JAMIE (25:29):
That's interesting.
New oh yeah.
It started as like writer.
And then I became, and then Iwas a writer and then I was an
editor and I was like, oh, I'mreally good at this.
I'm still a good
REBECCA (25:40):
good at telling people they're wrong and what to do.
That's crazy.
JAMIE (25:44):
it's like
REBECCA (25:45):
Don't say.
JAMIE (25:49):
we're excellent.
We're excellent at this.
What else did you wanna be
REBECCA (25:52):
did you,
JAMIE (25:53):
grew
REBECCA (25:54):
I was just gonna ask you like, what did you really
like when you were little?
Little?
What did you wanna be?
JAMIE (25:58):
I'm trying to recall, the only thing I do remember is
there was a time when I wantedto be a lawyer.
and a lot of people told melike, oh, you would make such a
good lawyer.
because like I argued,
REBECCA (26:11):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (26:12):
I remember being on the debate team in middle school and
we got the topic, it wascreation, verse evolution, and
we were evolution.
And this was a Christian privateschool and we won
REBECCA (26:28):
Did you win it?
Nice.
Good job.
JAMIE (26:31):
because I put, put the thing out there of, I was like,
I was like, evolution doesn'tnecessarily mean there's no God.
You guys, like God could havemade things to evolve.
this is like what I was liketelling, telling them.
And I like threw that in mything and they were all like,
what?
And we won and I was so proud.
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But, I mean I was like 12,
REBECCA (26:55):
That's, that's like pretty advanced thinking for a
12-year-old,
JAMIE (26:58):
Yeah.
REBECCA (26:59):
I, I wanted to be a marine biologist.
Like I would watch the DiscoveryChannel and I would take out my
notebook and I would take noteson all the shows I watched on
mam, like marine mammals.
I had a notebook full like thisis my job.
And I would just all the notesand that's what I wanted to be.
And then when I got into highschool, I was looking at
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programs and I learned that youhad to dissect animals as like
part of the biology program.
I was like, Nope,
JAMIE (27:27):
I refused to do that in, in high school.
I think high school was thefirst time that we had to like
dissect things and I think itwas just a couple times, but
each time I was like, Nope.
And like my teacher was like,cool.
And so it was like, that's fine,you don't have to do it.
I'm like, I don't know if youknow this, but like I've been
vegetarian,
REBECCA (27:45):
you a vegan?
Are you a vegan?
I was just gonna say, are you avegan?
JAMIE (27:49):
vegan, vegan, vegan.
had to do frogs.
Yeah, we had to do frogs.
There was something else we hadto do.
The fuck,
REBECCA (27:58):
I didn't do the cat, but we did cats.
We had frogs, starfish and cats.
JAMIE (28:04):
all I remember is frogs, but I know there was at least
one other, and I don't rememberwhat it was.
Oh my God.
Definitely wasn't a cat.
Or maybe it was.
And I've just blacked it outbecause that's
REBECCA (28:16):
No, that was for like the AP bio people.
That was,
JAMIE (28:19):
Oh yeah.
I was not an AP bio.
REBECCA (28:22):
yeah.
JAMIE (28:23):
That's terrible.
REBECCA (28:25):
As if that's gonna motivate kids.
Like kids.
If you work hard enough, you canget into AP Bio and dissect a
cat.
JAMIE (28:33):
Yeah, that's all the serial killer kids.
They were like, yeah.
They were like, I've actuallyalready done that on my own.
REBECCA (28:40):
Yeah.
JAMIE (28:41):
Sorry.
REBECCA (28:43):
No, nothing.
I, I was gonna tell yousomething else.
Oh, the other reason, why wedidn't have a lot of friends is
because, so I did get bullied alot,
JAMIE (28:50):
You said we by the way,
REBECCA (28:53):
oh,
JAMIE (28:54):
why we didn't have a lot of, no, I'm just saying
REBECCA (28:56):
Yeah, I didn't have a lot of friends, got bullied a
lot.
'cause I read a lot and usuallywas like, I, I didn't talk like
other kids and I talk, it waseasier to talk to adults.
and so when kids would bully me,I would do things well.
I'd tell them, did you know thatyour parents are getting
divorced because your dad saidhe doesn't love you anymore and
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then just walk away.
JAMIE (29:17):
That's awesome.
REBECCA (29:19):
so I learned how to fight with my words and then
would just psychologicallydecimate everyone.
JAMIE (29:25):
And then Rebecca's I don't know why I never had any
REBECCA (29:27):
I don't know why I didn't have any friends.
Yeah.
Yep.
JAMIE (29:35):
That's so mean there.
REBECCA (29:38):
she was mean to me first.
JAMIE (29:40):
reminds me of Veronica Mars where she would say that
shit to people when it wasactually like true.
REBECCA (29:47):
I didn't say it wasn't true because that's the thing
about readers.
If you're quiet and you sit in acorner long enough, adults
forget you're there and thenthey talk.
And so you get to hear all thegood gossip'cause they forget
you're there.
JAMIE (30:02):
That's pretty good.
REBECCA (30:04):
Like why her parents are getting a divorce.
JAMIE (30:09):
When I was like 12, I had already honestly decided that I
didn't want kids.
I was like, I don't think Iwanna have kids.
Like when I grow up, I don'tthink I want kids.
But I said that I was reallygood at naming things.
I've probably told you thisbefore.
I was really good at namingthings and I liked naming things
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and so I wanted, Hey, cosmic.
So I wanted, so I said, when Igrow up, I wanna sit on a throne
and, and have people bring metheir like newborn children and
I'll name them for them.
And that's what I wanted to do.
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That's like what I really wantedto do when I grew up and pay me
for it.
REBECCA (30:59):
So what I'm hearing is you wanted to sit on a throne
and tell people what to do
JAMIE (31:06):
put it that way.
REBECCA (31:08):
and also tell them no to their chosen name and let
them know what to do instead.
I see a
JAMIE (31:15):
The kid's like partially grown.
It's like a five, 5-year-old.
They're like, we named himElijah.
And I'm like, no.
REBECCA (31:23):
actually that's not his name.
Yeah.
I again, I wanted to telleveryone no and that they were
wrong and what to do.
Like it's just a through line.
JAMIE (31:33):
Yeah, it was great.
But I can't really
REBECCA (31:38):
I love that.
JAMIE (31:39):
besides
REBECCA (31:40):
what?
You are good naming, good atnaming things'cause you did have
excellent cat names.
So like you are pretty good atnaming things.
JAMIE (31:46):
that's true.
I do naming things.
I
REBECCA (31:50):
You have good, you have good usernames,
JAMIE (31:52):
Yeah, if they bring the child to her, they knew what
they were getting into.
See?
Exactly.
Yeah.
Thank you guys.
Oh,
REBECCA (32:04):
you know what they're doing.
Like when you were little,little did you wanna be like a
cook or a firefighter, any ofthat stupid shit.
JAMIE (32:13):
I'm sure when I was like very little, I was like, I wanna
be a police woman.
but lawyer is really the onlything that stands out.
'cause I think maybe that was athing that still thought about,
I think like teacher wassomething for a short while.
like profe, like professor at acollege.
I remember I wanted to do thattoo.
REBECCA (32:31):
college as a music education major,
JAMIE (32:35):
Oh, I didn't know
REBECCA (32:36):
and then I, yeah, I was gonna be a voice teacher, and
then I realized I fucking hatechildren.
So like, there is no way I'mspending the rest of my life in
my own personal hell of highschool.
I'm not going back to that.
You can't make me, so switchedover to journalism pretty
fucking quick,
JAMIE (32:54):
that's what I thought too.
But I, I feel like I could havedone like a professor at a
college.
REBECCA (33:00):
oh, yeah.
Yeah.
You would've been good withthat.
JAMIE (33:03):
Yeah, I think you would be too.
REBECCA (33:07):
Tell'em, tell'em they're wrong, and
JAMIE (33:08):
Just slap'em across the face.
REBECCA (33:12):
Listen, sometimes people fucking need it.
Sometimes you need a slap
JAMIE (33:15):
So many people really fucking need it.
It's true.
People don't get slapped acrossthe face as often as they should
anymore.
REBECCA (33:23):
Did you ever get in like physical fights when you
were little?
JAMIE (33:27):
remember I told you about my fighting friend?
We would, anytime we'd, we'd govisit her at her other high
school'cause she moved schoolsand we would both see each other
and then just immediately belike, we'd be like, ha ha ha.
And then we'd see each other andgo and throw our bags down and I
would take all my rings off'cause I wore a ton of rings and
put'em in my pocket.
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'cause I didn't wanna murderwith my rings really bad.
And then we'd just go to townand people thought we were just
like fighting, like for real.
But it was just like.
A fight club of two
REBECCA (34:00):
I love that.
I love that for you.
JAMIE (34:01):
I ever get in like big fights.
there were a ton of like fuckinggirl fights in like middle
school, I remember,
REBECCA (34:08):
Remember when you would fight on notes between classes?
Like you would just write notesto each other and so then you
fought via note for like frompeople to
JAMIE (34:15):
do you apologize?
Yes or no?
I'm just like, will you takeresponsibility for being the one
that is wrong?
Because I am not.
REBECCA (34:25):
Yeah.
Honestly,
JAMIE (34:27):
Yeah.
What about you,
REBECCA (34:31):
I don't think, I didn't get any like scraps.
I did get punched in the stomacha couple times by boys I was in
elementary school with.
JAMIE (34:39):
Jesus?
REBECCA (34:40):
To be fair, I probably deserved it.
JAMIE (34:43):
Yeah.
Nobody deserves that,
REBECCA (34:46):
version
JAMIE (34:46):
except maybe those
REBECCA (34:47):
I.
No, I don't think I got into anylike scrap scraps.
I was weak and did not gooutside a lot, so I would've
lost immediately.
JAMIE (34:58):
did get in a fight with this one kid in high school who
would just like.
He would just do shit like I waseating like a little bag of like
chips in class and he was behindme and he reached around and
slammed the bag into my face andstuff like that.
REBECCA (35:12):
Oh,
JAMIE (35:13):
so I got in a fight with him and like physically and then
he was like, I'm not gonna hityou.
I'm not gonna hit you.
You dyke.
Yeah.
REBECCA (35:25):
mean.
JAMIE (35:26):
yeah, definitely called that a lot.
I'm trying to think what otherlike fights.
Oh
REBECCA (35:33):
Oh, Jordan.
No, go ahead.
JAMIE (35:34):
no, you go first
REBECCA (35:36):
Jordan Young told everyone in second grade that I
had aids.
JAMIE (35:39):
that you had what
REBECCA (35:41):
Aids.
JAMIE (35:43):
in second grade
REBECCA (35:45):
Yeah.
That was like the big thing.
'cause I think it was like MagicJohnson had aids.
Like AIDS was the big likeissue.
So yeah.
So she told everyone I had AIDSand then no one would touch
anything that I had touchedbecause
JAMIE (35:54):
and Jordan's number six on the list.
REBECCA (36:00):
And Jordan's parents were also getting divorced'cause
her dad didn't love her or hermom.
So
JAMIE (36:06):
Or her mom or her or her mother.
Wow.
Cos
REBECCA (36:13):
know what though?
We, oh, sorry.
I'm sorry.
JAMIE (36:16):
Oh, I was just gonna say, cosmic said I used to get beat
up at least once a week as akid.
See, I feel like I was the kid.
Who would be like, literally Iwould beat up the bullies.
So like you were saying, like aguy punched you in the stomach.
if I saw that, like I would goafter that guy, even if I didn't
know you, I would go after that
REBECCA (36:33):
Thank you.
That was very nice of you.
Thank you.
JAMIE (36:39):
It's a thought that counts.
REBECCA (36:41):
I really appreciate shit.
JAMIE (36:46):
oh, so in like middle school, maybe like sixth or
seventh grade, like a lothappened in like sixth and
eighth grade, sixth, seventh,eighth grade.
I kind of like had this friendgroup of girls and it was like,
I think maybe four or five ofus.
And so like you said, with thethree, like it was even worse
because three people would gangup on one or two, or one girl
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was Sweden and three other girlsganged up on one girl.
just always happened.
So for some reason, like I wasout at this time, I don't know
why.
and that's when they were allgetting like really into, like
witchy stuff and likewitchcraft.
And was already at that pointlike just like getting into my
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like goth phase, my like punkgoth phase.
So I remember being like.
Like posers, because I was like,I already dressed the part like
you guys, like you're wearinglike floral dresses.
Rachel, please.
REBECCA (37:46):
I shaved my head.
Commit or fucking get off thepot.
JAMIE (37:48):
This was right before I shaved my head, so I hadn't
shaved my head Yeah.
Commit or get off the pot.
but for whatever reason, yeah,they like pushed me outta the
friend group and I remember thembeing like, we put a spell on
you and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And then,
REBECCA (38:03):
bitches.
JAMIE (38:04):
and then they were planning this whole big thing
where they were gonna run awayand they were gonna run away
from school and, but they liketold people.
And so most people were like,they're just bluffing.
Like whatever.
I knew that they were probablyreally gonna do it.
And I was just like, okay.
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I think there was still part ofme though, because I wanted to
be part of the group that I waslike, I wish I was running away.
like there was,
REBECCA (38:32):
I.
JAMIE (38:34):
I wish, I mean, I'm probably really good at running
away.
they don't know the edibles haveedible, I think.
so they did, they planned thiswhole thing and they had
REBECCA (38:47):
I need your mom to pop in the chat, right?
And I'd be like, Jamie would'vebeen great at running away.
We're still proud of you,sweetie.
JAMIE (38:54):
I ran away for I don't know, like 30 minutes to an
hour.
I remember seeing my mom, like Iwas outside hiding, and I, it
was like in the snow and I wasfreezing.
And I remember watching my momdrive by'cause she was like
trying to find me and I waslike,
REBECCA (39:10):
Your mom looked for you.
JAMIE (39:12):
yes.
REBECCA (39:13):
My mom was like, don't let the door hit you on the way
out.
Let me help you pack goodbye andclose the door.
JAMIE (39:21):
So these girls, okay, so these girls ran away and what
they did,
REBECCA (39:26):
and how to where and how.
JAMIE (39:28):
so they just came to school and they all had an extra
bag.
So they had like their backpackfor school and then an extra
little bag, I
REBECCA (39:37):
There's stick with a bundle on the end, hobo.
JAMIE (39:41):
No.
What were bindals in like thelate nineties?
It would've been like,
REBECCA (39:46):
Okay.
JAMIE (39:48):
I don't know, like a Victoria's Secret tote that you
got like free with purchase orsomething.
What el what?
El what else?
think I don't know.
But so a few of us saw when theywere trying to leave, and so we
stopped and watched them.
And so they like opened a doorto go out and they took out,
(40:09):
nobody was around except like afew of us kids.
And so they opened the door togo out of the school and look
around, no teachers like, orparents or anything.
And then they ran.
They literally ran.
I was like, why are you running?
I was like, okay.
So they run,
REBECCA (40:24):
the name Jamie.
God, have you never ran awaybefore or anything?
JAMIE (40:27):
no, that's not even the best part.
So as they're running the onegirl, Jessica, whatever bag she
had, she probably had theVictoria's Secret bag, but it
was like packed so full, like Idon't know what this girl
fucking brought to run awaywith, but it was a lot.
but I do don't want things shebrought.
And so something fell out of herbag and like us standing there
(40:49):
we're like, oh, she dropped.
Oh, she's coming back.
Wait, they stopped.
She's going back to get likewhat she dropped.
And you know what it was, it wasa pair of high heeled jelly
shoes.
And I remember even at that agebeing like, why the fuck did she
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bring her high heeled jellyshoes
REBECCA (41:13):
Those are the
JAMIE (41:15):
to run away as a young witch?
REBECCA (41:21):
Shut the.
JAMIE (41:25):
Oh yeah.
So I didn't get to wait.
You were so high pitched yourmic, couldn't possibly pick you
up.
What'd you say?
REBECCA (41:34):
I forgot about the witch part.
That makes it even better.
A little high school witch withher fucking jelly sandals.
JAMIE (41:40):
Yeah, they were like the clear ones and they were
sparkly.
REBECCA (41:45):
Her padded bra, her jelly sandals, her straightener.
JAMIE (41:50):
Yeah.
It was.
Oh man.
It was hilarious.
REBECCA (41:56):
right.
You would've been really good atrunning away.
'cause you would've known liketo actually pack the good stuff.
JAMIE (42:01):
I would've been like, I got canned goods like in my, in
my bag.
Like I don't even know what Iwould bring.
My sister wore exclusivelyjello, jello, jelly shoes for
ages.
I forgot about those.
Yeah, that was like such a hugething.
(42:21):
I had a pair of just like flatsI remember at one point.
But they were uncomfortable asfuck.
REBECCA (42:27):
Yeah.
'cause they made your feet
JAMIE (42:29):
Yeah.
REBECCA (42:32):
and then you would get blisters and then they would
never get clean and they justsmelled weird.
The, yeah.
No, I hated jellies.
JAMIE (42:39):
And she turned around and ran back with one of the other
girls, yelling, we'll conjure upmore later.
Forget about them.
I'm just kidding.
REBECCA (42:51):
where were they going though?
Like where were they planning?
Were like the streets or like adifferent state or like a bus
shelter.
JAMIE (42:57):
they thought that they were like running away for good.
They were running away from thecity, from their families.
I don't,
REBECCA (43:04):
In Ohio or mic was
JAMIE (43:05):
this was Michigan.
This was Michigan.
So I don't, I don't think I wasprivy'cause like they did share
with people that they were gonnarun away, but they didn't say
like a plan.
But I remember, like they, Iremember actually being in choir
and they were all behind me.
And so they were all in theirlike notebooks and their like,
books of shadow and whatnot andwhatever.
(43:27):
And I remember like turningaround to look at them and them
being like writing, like writingmore stuff.
So I think they had a plan.
I, maybe they did, maybe theydidn't.
I really don't know.
And I don't even remember whathappened.
'cause I know they got introuble.
I think they got like a coupleblocks and I think one of the
kids that was watching'em waslike a snitch.
(43:48):
And so I think one of those kidswas like, they ran away.
I am concerned about theirsafety.
Meanwhile, I was just like, thisdumb bitch brought jelly shoes.
Good riddance.
REBECCA (43:59):
She's gonna be the first to get kidnapped.
JAMIE (44:01):
She's not gonna survive out there.
You can't even hawk those for agood price.
Like, why?
REBECCA (44:10):
Oh fuck.
Did you ever run away in highschool?
Like to a friend's house or justI'm leaving for the night or
just, Hmm.
JAMIE (44:20):
No, in middle school I did a couple times.
One that I really remember thatwas the one I was telling you
about.
But I just ran to the end of mystreet and there was this, so
there's this office building atthe end of my street and I
always called it the wall.
my high school boyfriend wouldsometimes meet me at the wall
(44:40):
and we would make out, but itwas like a short wall, but it
was like on the main road.
So the wall was maybe like twofeet or three feet or something
like that, that was like aroundthis building.
And so I ran there and there waslike a corner where there was
like a little snow bank that hadpiled up by the office parking
(45:01):
lot.
And I had I remember like I dovein there'cause my mom was like
driving by and so I just hidthere.
Happy birthday too.
Remember it's having a birthday.
It's both of our birthdays.
This is our birthday month.
yeah, we're doing a giveawayraffle, but for some reason this
(45:22):
is not working, so That's great.
REBECCA (45:26):
reminder though.
It's a good reminder.
What was the worst punishmentyou ever had?
JAMIE (45:32):
Being grounded for a month.
And on top of that also thatmeant I was grounded from music.
REBECCA (45:41):
Oh shit.
JAMIE (45:42):
allowed to listen to music.
REBECCA (45:45):
Yep.
I had that,
JAMIE (45:48):
And that's just huh?
REBECCA (45:50):
I got my door and my bed taken away.
JAMIE (45:54):
Oh yeah.
That's messed up.
You had told me that your door,
REBECCA (45:58):
Bed, yeah.
Bed door and music.
So it was like literallyperfect.
JAMIE (46:03):
like bed and door, like that's,
REBECCA (46:06):
Yeah.
JAMIE (46:06):
it's pretty,
REBECCA (46:09):
That's not, that's not good.
It was not my favorite one.
JAMIE (46:13):
there's like documentaries about parents who
have
REBECCA (46:16):
Should, should have.
You know what?
I really should have leanedharder into running away.
Should have just been, I didn'tknow how
JAMIE (46:26):
Yeah.
I never like really did.
yeah.
I was grounded from my books fora month.
Yeah.
REBECCA (46:35):
being grounded from book.
I got grounded from the libraryin seventh grade and that fucked
me up'cause I wanted to read andI didn't wanna do my schoolwork.
Yeah, no.
That was the worst thing theycould do, like lost access to
books.
My most favorite thing in the
JAMIE (46:48):
Yeah.
That'll do it.
I, I remember when they groundedme from music though.
That, so I, it was when I shavedmy head in eighth grade that I
got grounded for a month.
And that was the longest I'dever been like by far.
I think the longest I had beengrounded by, at that point was
like a week.
I don't even think I had beengrounded for two weeks before.
REBECCA (47:09):
Amateur.
JAMIE (47:09):
And my oldest sibling, Brent found out that I was like,
grounded.
And so that was like, I don'tknow, I think he was like 19, 18
or 19, probably about 19.
He was six years older than meat the time.
And he found out about it.
(47:30):
And I remember I was comingdownstairs from my bedroom one
day and I heard Brent talking tomy mom in the kitchen.
And so I stopped'cause they werelike talking about me and I was
listening and Brent was like,you can't ground somebody from
music.
that's art.
what is, and he was like arguingfor me.
And I was like, okay.
oh, that's sweet.
(47:52):
It didn't help though.
So
REBECCA (47:54):
No.
Yeah.
Grounding us from, grounding usfrom literature and music.
That's a,
JAMIE (48:01):
I think that's messed
REBECCA (48:02):
I I'm sure there was a focus on the family article
somewhere that came out beinglike, if you really wanna get
your kids, yeah.
JAMIE (48:11):
and Nine Inch Nails
REBECCA (48:11):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (48:12):
are like, yes.
REBECCA (48:13):
Yes.
Ground them from
JAMIE (48:16):
Don't let them.
Pat said, I was always justgrounded to my room or in the
corner for hours.
Geez.
I talked to my English teacherinto giving me book reports for
extra credit.
That's awesome.
REBECCA (48:28):
yeah,
JAMIE (48:29):
Wow.
That's great.
Cosmic, I talk teachers
REBECCA (48:35):
Grounded from books.
JAMIE (48:36):
I was so good.
I'm, I can be so manipulativewhen I want to be.
REBECCA (48:42):
I would go in and help teachers grade paper.
See, I'm saying this out loud,I'm realizing I shouldn't say
out loud, but now I'm going tofinish.
In elementary school, I would goto teacher's classrooms and I
would help them grade papersinstead of, socializing with my
own fucking peer group.
JAMIE (49:00):
And she doesn't know why, but she didn't really have that
many friends.
REBECCA (49:04):
yep.
But again, I got to tell themwhat was wrong, mark it with a
red pen, and then write theright answer in there.
And I was very good at it.
JAMIE (49:14):
I feel like.
REBECCA (49:15):
I should save my so much money on therapy.
I feel like I've just solvedmyself.
JAMIE (49:18):
I feel like you're also the kid who would've done really
well on the dress codecommittee.
when they pull a student on andyou're supposed to go around and
give people slips.
like a dress code committee.
I've only actually seen this inshows.
We never had this.
REBECCA (49:33):
Oh, I was like, holy shit.
I thought you meant you had onethat was, that's insane.
Okay.
JAMIE (49:40):
but
REBECCA (49:40):
You know who else had a dress code committee?
The fucking
JAMIE (49:43):
Nazis.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
REBECCA (49:46):
It all comes back to that.
JAMIE (49:47):
We had a dress code for sure,
REBECCA (49:50):
Did you get sent home for breaking the dress code?
JAMIE (49:53):
I never actually got sent home for breaking dress code.
But I did get in trouble a lotfor breaking dress code and when
I shaved my head, they didn'tknow what to do with me.
What?
Go ahead
REBECCA (50:04):
Pat got in trouble for spitting and had to sit and spit
into a cup until it was full.
JAMIE (50:10):
It at school or at home?
REBECCA (50:13):
You got, you cannot tell your sister-in-law about
it.
JAMIE (50:18):
That is, that's awful.
REBECCA (50:24):
That's
JAMIE (50:25):
That's even worse than oh, you wanna smoke cigarettes,
kid here, smoke this entire packright now?
REBECCA (50:31):
Oh, you didn't have to do that?
JAMIE (50:32):
Mm-hmm.
REBECCA (50:34):
No, my uncle gave me a cigarette, so solve that real
quick.
JAMIE (50:42):
No, I was just smoking and keeping a secret for a very
long time, or at least I hadconvinced myself I was keeping
it a secret.
REBECCA (50:53):
That is
JAMIE (50:54):
That's unbelievable.
REBECCA (50:55):
fucking funny.
JAMIE (50:56):
I.
REBECCA (50:58):
I'm sorry.
It's very clear which one of usis not a parent because I'm
like, that's fucking so creativeand hilarious, and you're like,
that's off.
JAMIE (51:05):
That's creative and hilarious.
Rebecca's taking notes.
REBECCA (51:12):
I bet your mom was like, you feel like spitting, go
ahead.
Spit all you want that She gaveyou the cup right in the mom
voice.
I love it so much.
JAMIE (51:20):
Thank you guys for coming.
thanks for hanging out with usand doing all this.
We really appreciate it.
Yeah.
Don't forget to enter thegiveaway.
REBECCA (51:29):
You can also get two more entries if you subscribe
for, subscribe to the channel orgive us$30.
JAMIE (51:35):
Yeah.
So the free entry is if youfollow us on Twitch, you're
entered
REBECCA (51:39):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (51:40):
and yeah, you can get two bonus for being subscribed or
donating$5 to our PayPaldonation,
REBECCA (51:48):
And we're gonna randomly pick two winners and
they will receive their choiceof either a pack of burnout,
stickers or merch.
A burnout T-shirt.
JAMIE (51:57):
T-shirt.
Yeah.
Okay.
Bye everybody.
Thank you for our
REBECCA (52:03):
Bye.
Love you.
JAMIE (52:04):
Thanks so much.
All right, love you guys.
Bye.
you know how they have gender reveal cakes?
They need to do one for likeautism and A DHD adult
diagnoses.
you just get a cake and if youcut it and it's, if it's
funfetti, then you have like aDHD.
I am Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
(00:21):
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.
JAMIE (00:25):
Hello.
REBECCA (00:27):
Hi, welcome back.
Welcome to our birthday stream.
JAMIE (00:31):
Oh my God.
How you, I always forget whichway you are.
Happy birthday Rebecca.
REBECCA (00:37):
Happy birthday, Jamie.
Happy.
No, that's the other way right
JAMIE (00:40):
Happy
REBECCA (00:41):
there.
It's happy.
JAMIE (00:42):
birthday.
REBECCA (00:44):
Happy belated birthday to us.
It was our birthday month.
JAMIE (00:47):
We were supposed to see each other, but I got COVD.
REBECCA (00:50):
got sick.
JAMIE (00:52):
thank you.
Paper.
Happy birthday month.
Yeah, it's like over, but we hadsome stuff to do before we could
do this.
REBECCA (01:00):
Yeah.
JAMIE (01:02):
Hey
REBECCA (01:02):
supposed to talk about, just growing up, but Jamie said
as a birthday present, she'sgonna let me talk about my list
of work enemies for an hour.
I'm very excited.
JAMIE (01:09):
no wonder you didn't wanna do an outline, you were
just gonna throw that in thereand start listing.
Your outline is just like thelist of enemies that you have in
your head is, yeah.
Okay.
REBECCA (01:19):
test how bad your headache is and whether or not
you're just gonna let me do it.
JAMIE (01:22):
Yeah, I've had a migraine all day, but I'm here and
Rebecca's here to make it worse,so we're killing it.
REBECCA (01:32):
Number one.
JAMIE (01:33):
Coming in at number five is
REBECCA (01:36):
you get anything nice for your birthday
JAMIE (01:39):
I got mu I got money, so that was
REBECCA (01:42):
Money is great.
We love money.
JAMIE (01:46):
the boyfriend that got me, like a, a riot girl book
REBECCA (01:52):
Nice.
JAMIE (01:53):
and some cool, like Seattle'cause I was supposed to
go there, but some cool likeSeattle merch, like a mug and
some sub pop stickers and pinsand stuff, so that was nice.
REBECCA (02:04):
Very nice.
JAMIE (02:05):
What about you?
REBECCA (02:07):
I got, two bespoke crocheted, not dolls, but
objects from you, from our good.
Sorry.
Good From
JAMIE (02:15):
Oh, you, you said it so weird.
I didn't know what you weretalking about.
I was like,
REBECCA (02:19):
I'm trying to figure out what they were.
It's like they're bespoke'causerequested, but they're not
dolls,
JAMIE (02:26):
crocheted items.
REBECCA (02:30):
ojs.
and then I got a potting benchfor
JAMIE (02:33):
Oh, nice.
Oh, that's cool.
You have to send me a picture.
REBECCA (02:38):
I am entering middle aged the right way stuff for my
garden.
JAMIE (02:43):
That's awesome.
I always wanted to get one and Iwas gonna get one to put on my
balcony at my apartment here,which would take up like a big
part of my balcony.
REBECCA (02:53):
But honestly I was doing potting in the kitchen
where it was just like dirteverywhere and I'm like crouched
like a goblin on newspapers andthis is so much easier.
I can just stand.
It's the right height.
And
JAMIE (03:03):
Yeah.
I would sit down on the groundoutside on my balcony and do it
and
REBECCA (03:08):
yes, it's the perfect hip height.
JAMIE (03:11):
We'll have to, we'll have to put a link to your potting
bench in the show notes.
REBECCA (03:15):
Do you feel like you're 40?
JAMIE (03:17):
No,
REBECCA (03:19):
I don't either.
JAMIE (03:20):
it's weird.
It's like weird.
REBECCA (03:25):
I think I've said it before, but I feel like we're
owed.
I, as far as life experiencegoes, we're at 38 years.
'cause of the lockdown.
that's two years of experiencethat we didn't have that we just
sat inside.
JAMIE (03:35):
Yeah.
REBECCA (03:35):
we're 40.
But life experience wise, we'veonly had 38 years.
And I think that's the, thedisconnect that I'm having with
all this and like why it's sohard.
JAMIE (03:43):
I did tell Adon the other day when he was here that I was
like, I feel like I was just 38,not like 39.
Like I feel like I was just 38.
REBECCA (03:52):
Yes, yes.
JAMIE (03:56):
I dunno, forever.
38.
You know how people are like,I'm not 40 yet, it's my, I'm
having my like 10th, 21stbirthday or whatever, something
like that.
I'm like,
REBECCA (04:09):
38, part two.
JAMIE (04:11):
yeah.
I'm like forever 38, justwhatever.
REBECCA (04:17):
don't know.
I'm still getting used to it.
But as birthday presents from usto you we did decide to do a
giveaway.
We
JAMIE (04:24):
Yeah.
We're gonna do a giveaway.
It's actually gonna last forabout a month.
So it'll end the 26th of June.
REBECCA (04:33):
We are going to be giving away, some of our merch.
You have your choice of a packof burnout stickers or burnout
t-shirt.
If you join our channel, ifthat's our first entry, your
first entry is if you join ourchannel, that's free.
Anyone can do it.
if you would like two additionalentries, you can subscribe to
our channel or you can give us$30.
(04:54):
So that's two extra entries.
JAMIE (04:57):
$30.
REBECCA (04:59):
Might as well no$5.
If you donate$5 to us, viaPayPal, again, we'll have links
in the show notes.
and Jamie has created a wholepage with all the rules on it.
but yeah, you can have the threeentries and then on the 26th we
will, do a random drawing and,whoever we choose, will message
(05:20):
you and you'll have your pick ofwhat you want us to send you.
You don't need to buy anythingto do this.
If you do want additionalentries, subscribe to our Switch
channel.
Or donate to us via PayPal.
And actually, Jamie taught methis, you can subscribe to us
for a free month if you haveAmazon Prime, which I did not
know.
So I did that.
JAMIE (05:39):
Yep.
But Rebecca won't be entered inthe giveaway.
Don't
REBECCA (05:42):
No, no, no.
I will.
No, no, no, no.
This is not for us.
This is for you
JAMIE (05:45):
Rebecca's so I did that extra.
You're like, I also donated$30.
REBECCA (05:51):
Yeah.
It's our, it's like our partybag.
like when people come to ourbirthday parties and you give
them a goodie bag to go homewith, it's, it's our goodie bag
to you.
JAMIE (05:59):
Yeah.
REBECCA (06:01):
But in June,'cause May is for us
JAMIE (06:03):
Yeah, exactly.
June is for the Geminis.
REBECCA (06:11):
eyes.
JAMIE (06:12):
yeah.
Is that, what else do we havefor,
REBECCA (06:15):
Oh, if you haven't caught our latest episode, we
had, Dr.
Priyanka on, last week to talkabout, A DHD in adults and
especially women.
It was super enlightening, superinformational, very interesting.
she was a great guest.
lovely to talk to, and check herout.
we've added her, she still, shedoes coaching with adults too,
and she also does autism and ADHD diagnosis.
(06:36):
Diagnoses, diagnosis, diagnosesfor adults.
so all that information is inour show notes.
if that's something that you areinterested in finding out.
JAMIE (06:47):
Yeah, so check out that episode.
If you missed it, it's here onTwitch and also wherever you get
your podcasts.
REBECCA (06:54):
This is, this is the gummy kicking in.
I can tell.
you know how they have gender,gender reveal cakes?
They need to do one for likeautism and A DHD adult
diagnoses.
you just get a cake and if youcut it and it's, if it's
funfetti, then you have a DHD.
JAMIE (07:12):
And if it's not, then everyone's just oh,
REBECCA (07:17):
If it's plain vanilla, that's autism.
JAMIE (07:20):
I thought plain vanilla would be neurotypical.
REBECCA (07:24):
no, this is just like the most, the, the safest
flavor.
So
JAMIE (07:30):
Or it's like different colors.
It's like you have autism blue,
REBECCA (07:34):
yes.
JAMIE (07:35):
you have a DHD purple.
REBECCA (07:38):
know what, after we're done this, I'm gonna email pre
you and be like,
JAMIE (07:41):
You're bipolar black.
Sorry.
REBECCA (07:45):
No, bipolar should be the funfetti.
JAMIE (07:47):
Oh, should it?
Yeah.
REBECCA (07:52):
Yeah, we'll email pre and be like, listen, if you
wanna do an add-on for new
JAMIE (07:56):
how do you feel about cakes?
REBECCA (08:01):
get a bakery sponsorship.
JAMIE (08:03):
yeah.
Oh man.
REBECCA (08:06):
But yeah, so check that out.
it's great.
Morgan's episode will be out, onTuesday.
Again, sorry about the delay.
We had some audio issues, but,one of our very good friends
fixed it for us, and so I'll beputting that together this
weekend.
I am so sorry for the delay.
I did not want to do that, but Iwanted to make sure we were able
to put her episode out and haveit be quality, because that was
also a great episode.
(08:27):
burnout and dating was
JAMIE (08:29):
that was really fun.
That was really fun with Morgan.
Yeah.
So that'll be out soon.
it's already here on Twitch inthe VADs if you wanna check it
out.
It was episode 23.
but yeah, we'll have it out,this upcoming week.
Awesome.
REBECCA (08:42):
Yeah, I think that's about
JAMIE (08:44):
I think that's it for like
REBECCA (08:45):
about, let's talk about little us.
JAMIE (08:51):
little Jamie and little Rebecca.
I do always wonder if we wouldever be friends, like if we were
near each other.
I feel like
REBECCA (08:58):
no.
We would not be,
JAMIE (09:01):
How do you know, what do you know about little Jamie?
REBECCA (09:04):
because you, all you said was when I was like, did
you get bullied in high school?
And you were like, I was the onewho bullied people.
JAMIE (09:10):
See, no, but like I, but I bullied the bullies and then
the popular kids.
REBECCA (09:18):
No, I still don't think so.
JAMIE (09:21):
I was
REBECCA (09:21):
I wouldn't be friends with me if I was little,
JAMIE (09:24):
did you, so did all of your years and like the trauma
that came with them make youlike the funny person you are
today?
Or were you always this funny?
REBECCA (09:35):
Oh, I remember telling Hannah, this is the type of
friend I was, cannot believe Iwas undiagnosed for so long.
I let her know because it was mysacred duty.
It's her best friend to let herknow when she had a bad breath.
So no, I didn't have a lot offriends as a kid because that's
the type of friendship that Ibrought to the table.
JAMIE (09:53):
you just do?
You'd just talk to her and belike, your breath is gross
today.
REBECCA (09:57):
I'd be like, your breath is really smelling 17.
JAMIE (10:00):
Okay.
REBECCA (10:01):
I would want to know.
I, I would want to know.
JAMIE (10:06):
It's like telling somebody, like a stranger in
public that their tags out ortheir flies down, or they have
bad breath.
REBECCA (10:15):
Yeah.
I just, I was like, this is mybest friend.
Clearly I am, I am obligated totell her.
that didn't go great.
and then when we moved toPennsylvania, I decided to make
friends with a neighborhoodgirl, and she wouldn't let me
play with her because I didn'thave an American girl doll.
So I slapped her across theface.
again, that's the friendship Ibring to the table.
JAMIE (10:37):
as you do.
And Rebecca's and now this ishow we get into my list of my,
my top 10 enemies
REBECCA (10:46):
Valerie
JAMIE (10:47):
number.
Yeah.
Number 10, Valerie, secondgrade.
REBECCA (10:51):
she came to my wedding, so like we, we made up.
But yeah, that's again, realdifficult time making friends
really unregulated.
Did not people well, it was nota good time.
I don't think we would've beenfriends.
JAMIE (11:03):
Oh my God.
This one girl who was my friendin I feel like this was like
sixth grade.
she, like everybody knew thatshe was a klepto.
Like she would seal everything.
And I remember this one time shelike stole, I bought these like
new pens and first of all, pensare important to me now as an
adult.
(11:24):
as a kid.
Like new pens are like an evenbigger deal.
Are you gonna show us pens?
Oh my
REBECCA (11:30):
I have a box lipstick and hair pens in there too, but
I have a box full of like thespecial good pens that I hide
upstairs that my family can'tuse.
I very much understand theimportance of pens.
JAMIE (11:41):
is there's more than pens in here, but
REBECCA (11:44):
Oh, that's, that's a cute collection.
JAMIE (11:45):
What do we got?
No, I have more.
These are just like what'savailable?
REBECCA (11:49):
Those are your special beds.
JAMIE (11:51):
These are my special bugs.
I'm doing, I'm doing this forthe still later.
REBECCA (11:57):
I love.
I'll just, all right, then, holdon
JAMIE (12:00):
Oh yeah.
REBECCA (12:01):
You hold your bun.
There we go.
I very much understand theimportance of pens
JAMIE (12:07):
Oh my God.
REBECCA (12:09):
and pen tech.
JAMIE (12:10):
pat subscribed.
REBECCA (12:11):
you.
Pat Pen.
Technology.
In the nineties, it smelledreally good.
They had a bunch of likedifferent like spark, gel pens
had just come out.
So like we grew up in the middleof advanced pen technology.
Don't tell me that gel pensweren't a big fucking deal
JAMIE (12:28):
it was a
REBECCA (12:28):
in elementary
JAMIE (12:29):
It was a
REBECCA (12:30):
It was a huge deal.
JAMIE (12:31):
I know, I know.
but anyway, she stole like acouple of my pens and it was, I,
I, I don't know like where itwas, but like my mom had put my
initials on them in likeSharpie?
No, they were not engrave.
(12:51):
Like Sharpie.
Yeah.
Let's the poor man's engravingSharpie, the poor mom's
engraving sharpie.
oh my god.
Lisa Frank.
Yes.
REBECCA (13:04):
oh, Lisa Frank pens.
JAMIE (13:06):
Lisa Frank trapper keepers.
Dude, engraved your scissors.
What the fuck?
So these pens said GY on themand she stole them.
And then I was like, HeyCourtney.
and yes, that is her real name.
Hey Courtney, you stole my pens.
And she's no, these are mine.
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And I was like, they literallyhave my initials on them.
And she's oh, I just put that onthere.
That's what she said.
Oh, I just put.
REBECCA (13:34):
starts with j and a y, apparently.
JAMIE (13:36):
I just put that on there and I'm like, you wrote my
initials on your pen.
REBECCA (13:42):
it's gonna be really funny when she hears this'cause
it gets back to her.
She'd be like, I was beingmolested back then.
JAMIE (13:47):
Oh my God.
Rebecca.
Jesus Christ.
REBECCA (13:53):
I was just crying for help and no one saw me.
JAMIE (13:56):
Rob says, happy birthday babies.
Thank you, Rob.
I still have my scissors fromelementary school.
I'll send a picture later.
Okay.
That also might be in the shownotes because what the fuck?
REBECCA (14:08):
yes.
Pat's the picture
JAMIE (14:09):
that's really weird.
REBECCA (14:12):
was always that girl though, who stole shit from
everyone.
JAMIE (14:14):
I know.
REBECCA (14:15):
I don't know why, just stealing.
JAMIE (14:17):
It was so annoying and it was just like, why?
REBECCA (14:22):
Did you steal it back from her or did you just give
up?
JAMIE (14:24):
I don't remember.
I think
REBECCA (14:26):
You should have slapped her across the
JAMIE (14:28):
I know I should, I should have, see, I needed you as a
friend.
You would've slapped her acrossthe face for me.
REBECCA (14:34):
was like.
JAMIE (14:36):
Oh, God.
See, everybody has stuff evenYeah.
Paper head stuff stolen fromher.
It's, it's a lot.
REBECCA (14:48):
We wonder why I got tested for special ed.
Yeah, would.
I would've, I don't know.
I really don't think we wouldhave.
It was awkward and growing upwas weird, but although, you
know what, with your dad being apastor, we actually might have,
we might have been churchfriends, like youth group
friends where we like talk onSundays.
JAMIE (15:08):
Okay,
REBECCA (15:09):
I'll give us that.
JAMIE (15:10):
so enemies then.
REBECCA (15:11):
That
JAMIE (15:14):
So church enemies is what you're
REBECCA (15:15):
church enemies.
Yeah.
JAMIE (15:18):
Oh God.
REBECCA (15:19):
did you have, did you have a lot of friends when you
were growing up though?
JAMIE (15:23):
I had a good amount of friends.
Like I wasn't, I don't know,basically I think I was just
like friends with anyone wholike wasn't an asshole.
So a lot of my friends,especially in middle school,
high school, the goth punk,reject stoner, like very
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neurodivergent, kids like those,they were all my friends.
That was like my closest groupof friends.
And then yeah.
REBECCA (16:01):
I had like periphery friends.
Scott was, Scott was one of myreally good friends.
and then like just peripheryband and choir friends.
and then I had Val and Jana asmy two best friends in high
school.
JAMIE (16:12):
Val and Jana.
Oh my God.
Wow.
REBECCA (16:15):
they were both, they were both Catholic and went to
the same church.
and so I was not part of thatfun
JAMIE (16:20):
Because you were a heathen.
REBECCA (16:22):
I was, and not a virgin, so I got a lot of shit
from them.
So it was too, I think it waslike one of those things where
it was like, you can't ever havea threesome friendship'cause
it's like always gonna be twopeople against the other.
And we just take turns on, likepairing up who we, who was
together and Yeah.
JAMIE (16:39):
I know that that's how it works, but fuck
REBECCA (16:42):
school girls.
That's how it works.
JAMIE (16:46):
I remember it.
REBECCA (16:46):
I had Jack
JAMIE (16:47):
yeah.
REBECCA (16:48):
No, no, go ahead.
No
JAMIE (16:49):
No, and then you had,
REBECCA (16:51):
I had Jackie, who was my other best friend, and every
boy I dated in high school madeout with her and cheated on me
with her.
JAMIE (16:58):
oh, great friend,
REBECCA (17:01):
Yeah.
And now she's a lesbian.
JAMIE (17:02):
she's number eight on the enemy's
REBECCA (17:04):
Serious.
It's not right.
So I just found it weird thatshe always made out with my
boyfriends, but I'm like, youdidn't even like boys Jackie.
So I don't know.
So
JAMIE (17:15):
was trying to make you jealous and then make out with
you.
REBECCA (17:20):
what I get for dating kids in band though.
It's fucking weirdos.
JAMIE (17:25):
I've heard some things about like band and
REBECCA (17:29):
It is all true.
JAMIE (17:34):
I just mean, I just, I feel like though that wasn't
true at my school because that'squestionable.
REBECCA (17:45):
Did you have a marching band?
JAMIE (17:50):
I actually don't know.
I'm thinking of, I don't thinkso.
REBECCA (17:55):
Okay.
'cause if you had a marchingband, it's all true.
JAMIE (17:58):
Okay.
Maybe that's the
REBECCA (17:59):
it's all true.
JAMIE (18:00):
don't think we did.
I'm trying to remember.
REBECCA (18:03):
one of our marching band teachers, had a behind the
scenes affair with one of theflag girls.
And then they got married.
JAMIE (18:09):
They got married.
REBECCA (18:11):
He got married once she was of age.
so he was a predator.
there was a lot of stuffhappening on the back of the
band bus, like full on.
JAMIE (18:23):
The back of the band.
Bus
REBECCA (18:25):
Yeah.
Band kids are gross.
JAMIE (18:28):
B, BB.
REBECCA (18:29):
gross.
Yeah.
So everything you've heard it'scorrect.
I dunno,
JAMIE (18:33):
you were in band, you were
REBECCA (18:35):
you were a cheerleader though, right?
JAMIE (18:37):
I was a cheerleader for
REBECCA (18:39):
Yeah.
We would not have been
JAMIE (18:40):
A couple grades, like two grades.
I wasn't, this was, I'm talking
REBECCA (18:45):
And you were a jock.
You played volleyball too, so wereally wouldn't
JAMIE (18:48):
but this was all like middle school, like grade
school, middle school in highschool.
The only thing I did my freshmanyear, I loved volleyball so
much.
Everything else I hated.
but I did try everything.
and so I was like, I'll go outfor volleyball.
And then I never did it againbecause I was just like, I hate
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my school.
I don't wanna be around thesepeople any more than I have to.
so yeah, I think you mean theback of the JV volleyball bus?
REBECCA (19:19):
Ooh, the v volleyball girls.
JAMIE (19:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like,
REBECCA (19:24):
Jamie, what they say about the volleyball bus?
JAMIE (19:28):
I don't know.
I don't think so.
yeah, I'm still
REBECCA (19:34):
in band or choir?
Did you, did you do anything?
JAMIE (19:38):
we like had to be in choir.
Everybody had to do choir inlike grade school, middle
school.
REBECCA (19:45):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (19:46):
I may have been in choir my freshman year of high school,
but then again was like, Nope.
REBECCA (19:51):
really?
JAMIE (19:54):
And band.
I could never be in band becausemy parents couldn't afford like
the instrument and stuff.
So I, and the thing is, thefunny thing is I like begged to
be in band.
I was like, please, I just wannabe in band.
'cause like my friends are inband and it seemed cool to me at
the time.
REBECCA (20:12):
I did honors choir.
I did all the choir.
I did like pit orchestra.
I competed for the district.
I placed fifth in district foraltos.
JAMIE (20:23):
Wow.
REBECCA (20:24):
Yeah.
So I, I was in band and choir.
JAMIE (20:28):
What were you playing?
What did you play?
REBECCA (20:31):
I did the flute.
I did symphony and then Iaccompanied the choir too when I
wasn't singing.
So
JAMIE (20:37):
Oh, piano.
Cool.
I didn't know that.
Nice.
REBECCA (20:44):
No one had any friends.
JAMIE (20:45):
Yeah.
REBECCA (20:47):
Did your, did your older siblings go to the same
school and did you have thatweird thing like were they into
sports or something where it waslike, ah, you know their little
sisters here and they expectedgreat things out of you, and
you're like, I don't do any ofthis.
JAMIE (21:01):
happened was it was like, oh, you're so-and-so's little
sister.
Oh, you're so-and-so's littlesister.
That's all it was.
However,
REBECCA (21:11):
okay.
JAMIE (21:12):
my siblings friends, like always thought I was really
cool.
Like they would hang out withme.
They would be like they, beforethey came over they would bring
me ice cream or something.
REBECCA (21:26):
No one made you be the table or anything.
JAMIE (21:29):
no, Rebecca, I think that's a very specific to, to
your sister experience.
Rachel, I'm so sorry.
REBECCA (21:40):
sorry, Rachel, we're really sorry.
JAMIE (21:42):
Oh my God.
REBECCA (21:43):
though, that they wanted to hang out with the
little sister.
JAMIE (21:45):
Did, did Rachel ever get any of that?
oh, you're Rebecca's sister.
REBECCA (21:49):
No, they built a new school, a new high school when
she was going into that, so Ithink she went to my high school
for one year and then they allswitched over.
So it was a brand new school andnobody, my mom worked at my
school though, my senior year,and that was fun.
JAMIE (22:04):
Oh,
REBECCA (22:05):
Yeah, so I, I saw her a lot in high school.
JAMIE (22:11):
My friend's mom was our English teacher, like our last
couple years of, or our last,our first two years of high
school.
And her name was also Jackie, myfriend.
She was my good friend for avery long time throughout
elementary, through high school.
And but she was one of the more,she was very sporty, very
(22:35):
popular.
and I was still friends withher, but we still hung in
different circles.
But, her mom is actually theEnglish teacher who accused me
of plagiarism.
My freshman, my freshman yearwas freshman or sophomore,
REBECCA (22:50):
Oh,
JAMIE (22:51):
and that was before they had so this was long ago.
This was before they like, couldeasily check these things.
And she called me a,
REBECCA (22:58):
it?
'cause it was too.
What do you mean?
Was it too good?
Or like what?
Why was she, oh shit.
JAMIE (23:03):
she was like, I don't, I don't remember what words I
used, but I guess for a highschool student, she thought it
was like bullshit.
but at that point, like by thetime I was in high school, high
school, I like wrote a lot.
Like I was always writing, I wasalways reading.
And she was like, this is veryclearly plagiarized.
And I was like, what?
Because she called me afterclass and I literally thought
(23:24):
she was gonna congratulate me onmy paper.
And she's this is obviouslyplagiarized.
And I was like, it is.
I was like, no.
I was like, I did not.
And she had to take my word forit and I could tell she was
still skeptical, but she waslike, I'll choose to believe you
or whatever.
And I was like, this is
REBECCA (23:41):
Oh, okay.
JAMIE (23:42):
Yeah.
so that was fucked up.
REBECCA (23:47):
That's really interesting.
That ex, so I read a lot as akid too.
Like
JAMIE (23:51):
yeah.
REBECCA (23:52):
a lot, like I was my own reading group through most
of elementary school and likewhen I finished my work early,
they'd just let me go read inthe corner.
JAMIE (23:59):
In the corner.
REBECCA (24:00):
they would, they'd be like, if you want, you
JAMIE (24:02):
read in your corner, Rebecca, go in your corner.
REBECCA (24:05):
Literally, I just read all the time.
So my writing was very not likemy peers and my teachers would
be like, what are you doinghere?
and I don't know, maybe that'slike why we went into our
careers that we did, but it wasjust always there.
JAMIE (24:22):
Yeah.
That was my thing.
I've I wanted to be a writer fora, a very long
REBECCA (24:27):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (24:28):
and I can, I always thank, my grandma, my grandma
Elsie, who I.
Had me doing crosswords andplaying Scrabble at like very
young ages.
'cause she was obsessed.
She wrote a lot of poetryherself, and she was a really
good writer.
my mom did a lot of good poetryand like my mom, like when we
were growing up, when we werelittle, my mom would write these
(24:50):
like rhyming birthday songs,like customized birthday songs
for us and stuff.
So my mom too.
and I had a really awesomeEnglish teacher in like middle
school that I loved Mrs.
Lemke.
Love You.
and I just was like, I wanna bea writer.
But of course, like when you'rea kid and you're like, I wanna
be a writer, you're like, I'mgonna write a book.
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that's what you think.
You're like, I'm gonna write abook.
Or maybe it'll be like, sex inthe City and I'll write a column
for the New York Times.
that's what you think.
And then,
REBECCA (25:19):
I, I always wanted to be an editor'cause I just wanted
to read books.
I never wanted to be a writer.
I was just like, I can readbooks all day long that someone
wrote.
JAMIE (25:29):
That's interesting.
New oh yeah.
It started as like writer.
And then I became, and then Iwas a writer and then I was an
editor and I was like, oh, I'mreally good at this.
I'm still a good
REBECCA (25:40):
good at telling people they're wrong and what to do.
That's crazy.
JAMIE (25:44):
it's like
REBECCA (25:45):
Don't say.
JAMIE (25:49):
we're excellent.
We're excellent at this.
What else did you wanna be
REBECCA (25:52):
did you,
JAMIE (25:53):
grew
REBECCA (25:54):
I was just gonna ask you like, what did you really
like when you were little?
Little?
What did you wanna be?
JAMIE (25:58):
I'm trying to recall, the only thing I do remember is
there was a time when I wantedto be a lawyer.
and a lot of people told melike, oh, you would make such a
good lawyer.
because like I argued,
REBECCA (26:11):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (26:12):
I remember being on the debate team in middle school and
we got the topic, it wascreation, verse evolution, and
we were evolution.
And this was a Christian privateschool and we won
REBECCA (26:28):
Did you win it?
Nice.
Good job.
JAMIE (26:31):
because I put, put the thing out there of, I was like,
I was like, evolution doesn'tnecessarily mean there's no God.
You guys, like God could havemade things to evolve.
this is like what I was liketelling, telling them.
And I like threw that in mything and they were all like,
what?
And we won and I was so proud.
(26:52):
But, I mean I was like 12,
REBECCA (26:55):
That's, that's like pretty advanced thinking for a
12-year-old,
JAMIE (26:58):
Yeah.
REBECCA (26:59):
I, I wanted to be a marine biologist.
Like I would watch the DiscoveryChannel and I would take out my
notebook and I would take noteson all the shows I watched on
mam, like marine mammals.
I had a notebook full like thisis my job.
And I would just all the notesand that's what I wanted to be.
And then when I got into highschool, I was looking at
(27:20):
programs and I learned that youhad to dissect animals as like
part of the biology program.
I was like, Nope,
JAMIE (27:27):
I refused to do that in, in high school.
I think high school was thefirst time that we had to like
dissect things and I think itwas just a couple times, but
each time I was like, Nope.
And like my teacher was like,cool.
And so it was like, that's fine,you don't have to do it.
I'm like, I don't know if youknow this, but like I've been
vegetarian,
REBECCA (27:45):
you a vegan?
Are you a vegan?
I was just gonna say, are you avegan?
JAMIE (27:49):
vegan, vegan, vegan.
had to do frogs.
Yeah, we had to do frogs.
There was something else we hadto do.
The fuck,
REBECCA (27:58):
I didn't do the cat, but we did cats.
We had frogs, starfish and cats.
JAMIE (28:04):
all I remember is frogs, but I know there was at least
one other, and I don't rememberwhat it was.
Oh my God.
Definitely wasn't a cat.
Or maybe it was.
And I've just blacked it outbecause that's
REBECCA (28:16):
No, that was for like the AP bio people.
That was,
JAMIE (28:19):
Oh yeah.
I was not an AP bio.
REBECCA (28:22):
yeah.
JAMIE (28:23):
That's terrible.
REBECCA (28:25):
As if that's gonna motivate kids.
Like kids.
If you work hard enough, you canget into AP Bio and dissect a
cat.
JAMIE (28:33):
Yeah, that's all the serial killer kids.
They were like, yeah.
They were like, I've actuallyalready done that on my own.
REBECCA (28:40):
Yeah.
JAMIE (28:41):
Sorry.
REBECCA (28:43):
No, nothing.
I, I was gonna tell yousomething else.
Oh, the other reason, why wedidn't have a lot of friends is
because, so I did get bullied alot,
JAMIE (28:50):
You said we by the way,
REBECCA (28:53):
oh,
JAMIE (28:54):
why we didn't have a lot of, no, I'm just saying
REBECCA (28:56):
Yeah, I didn't have a lot of friends, got bullied a
lot.
'cause I read a lot and usuallywas like, I, I didn't talk like
other kids and I talk, it waseasier to talk to adults.
and so when kids would bully me,I would do things well.
I'd tell them, did you know thatyour parents are getting
divorced because your dad saidhe doesn't love you anymore and
(29:16):
then just walk away.
JAMIE (29:17):
That's awesome.
REBECCA (29:19):
so I learned how to fight with my words and then
would just psychologicallydecimate everyone.
JAMIE (29:25):
And then Rebecca's I don't know why I never had any
REBECCA (29:27):
I don't know why I didn't have any friends.
Yeah.
Yep.
JAMIE (29:35):
That's so mean there.
REBECCA (29:38):
she was mean to me first.
JAMIE (29:40):
reminds me of Veronica Mars where she would say that
shit to people when it wasactually like true.
REBECCA (29:47):
I didn't say it wasn't true because that's the thing
about readers.
If you're quiet and you sit in acorner long enough, adults
forget you're there and thenthey talk.
And so you get to hear all thegood gossip'cause they forget
you're there.
JAMIE (30:02):
That's pretty good.
REBECCA (30:04):
Like why her parents are getting a divorce.
JAMIE (30:09):
When I was like 12, I had already honestly decided that I
didn't want kids.
I was like, I don't think Iwanna have kids.
Like when I grow up, I don'tthink I want kids.
But I said that I was reallygood at naming things.
I've probably told you thisbefore.
I was really good at namingthings and I liked naming things
(30:32):
and so I wanted, Hey, cosmic.
So I wanted, so I said, when Igrow up, I wanna sit on a throne
and, and have people bring metheir like newborn children and
I'll name them for them.
And that's what I wanted to do.
(30:53):
That's like what I really wantedto do when I grew up and pay me
for it.
REBECCA (30:59):
So what I'm hearing is you wanted to sit on a throne
and tell people what to do
JAMIE (31:06):
put it that way.
REBECCA (31:08):
and also tell them no to their chosen name and let
them know what to do instead.
I see a
JAMIE (31:15):
The kid's like partially grown.
It's like a five, 5-year-old.
They're like, we named himElijah.
And I'm like, no.
REBECCA (31:23):
actually that's not his name.
Yeah.
I again, I wanted to telleveryone no and that they were
wrong and what to do.
Like it's just a through line.
JAMIE (31:33):
Yeah, it was great.
But I can't really
REBECCA (31:38):
I love that.
JAMIE (31:39):
besides
REBECCA (31:40):
what?
You are good naming, good atnaming things'cause you did have
excellent cat names.
So like you are pretty good atnaming things.
JAMIE (31:46):
that's true.
I do naming things.
I
REBECCA (31:50):
You have good, you have good usernames,
JAMIE (31:52):
Yeah, if they bring the child to her, they knew what
they were getting into.
See?
Exactly.
Yeah.
Thank you guys.
Oh,
REBECCA (32:04):
you know what they're doing.
Like when you were little,little did you wanna be like a
cook or a firefighter, any ofthat stupid shit.
JAMIE (32:13):
I'm sure when I was like very little, I was like, I wanna
be a police woman.
but lawyer is really the onlything that stands out.
'cause I think maybe that was athing that still thought about,
I think like teacher wassomething for a short while.
like profe, like professor at acollege.
I remember I wanted to do thattoo.
REBECCA (32:31):
college as a music education major,
JAMIE (32:35):
Oh, I didn't know
REBECCA (32:36):
and then I, yeah, I was gonna be a voice teacher, and
then I realized I fucking hatechildren.
So like, there is no way I'mspending the rest of my life in
my own personal hell of highschool.
I'm not going back to that.
You can't make me, so switchedover to journalism pretty
fucking quick,
JAMIE (32:54):
that's what I thought too.
But I, I feel like I could havedone like a professor at a
college.
REBECCA (33:00):
oh, yeah.
Yeah.
You would've been good withthat.
JAMIE (33:03):
Yeah, I think you would be too.
REBECCA (33:07):
Tell'em, tell'em they're wrong, and
JAMIE (33:08):
Just slap'em across the face.
REBECCA (33:12):
Listen, sometimes people fucking need it.
Sometimes you need a slap
JAMIE (33:15):
So many people really fucking need it.
It's true.
People don't get slapped acrossthe face as often as they should
anymore.
REBECCA (33:23):
Did you ever get in like physical fights when you
were little?
JAMIE (33:27):
remember I told you about my fighting friend?
We would, anytime we'd, we'd govisit her at her other high
school'cause she moved schoolsand we would both see each other
and then just immediately belike, we'd be like, ha ha ha.
And then we'd see each other andgo and throw our bags down and I
would take all my rings off'cause I wore a ton of rings and
put'em in my pocket.
(33:48):
'cause I didn't wanna murderwith my rings really bad.
And then we'd just go to townand people thought we were just
like fighting, like for real.
But it was just like.
A fight club of two
REBECCA (34:00):
I love that.
I love that for you.
JAMIE (34:01):
I ever get in like big fights.
there were a ton of like fuckinggirl fights in like middle
school, I remember,
REBECCA (34:08):
Remember when you would fight on notes between classes?
Like you would just write notesto each other and so then you
fought via note for like frompeople to
JAMIE (34:15):
do you apologize?
Yes or no?
I'm just like, will you takeresponsibility for being the one
that is wrong?
Because I am not.
REBECCA (34:25):
Yeah.
Honestly,
JAMIE (34:27):
Yeah.
What about you,
REBECCA (34:31):
I don't think, I didn't get any like scraps.
I did get punched in the stomacha couple times by boys I was in
elementary school with.
JAMIE (34:39):
Jesus?
REBECCA (34:40):
To be fair, I probably deserved it.
JAMIE (34:43):
Yeah.
Nobody deserves that,
REBECCA (34:46):
version
JAMIE (34:46):
except maybe those
REBECCA (34:47):
I.
No, I don't think I got into anylike scrap scraps.
I was weak and did not gooutside a lot, so I would've
lost immediately.
JAMIE (34:58):
did get in a fight with this one kid in high school who
would just like.
He would just do shit like I waseating like a little bag of like
chips in class and he was behindme and he reached around and
slammed the bag into my face andstuff like that.
REBECCA (35:12):
Oh,
JAMIE (35:13):
so I got in a fight with him and like physically and then
he was like, I'm not gonna hityou.
I'm not gonna hit you.
You dyke.
Yeah.
REBECCA (35:25):
mean.
JAMIE (35:26):
yeah, definitely called that a lot.
I'm trying to think what otherlike fights.
Oh
REBECCA (35:33):
Oh, Jordan.
No, go ahead.
JAMIE (35:34):
no, you go first
REBECCA (35:36):
Jordan Young told everyone in second grade that I
had aids.
JAMIE (35:39):
that you had what
REBECCA (35:41):
Aids.
JAMIE (35:43):
in second grade
REBECCA (35:45):
Yeah.
That was like the big thing.
'cause I think it was like MagicJohnson had aids.
Like AIDS was the big likeissue.
So yeah.
So she told everyone I had AIDSand then no one would touch
anything that I had touchedbecause
JAMIE (35:54):
and Jordan's number six on the list.
REBECCA (36:00):
And Jordan's parents were also getting divorced'cause
her dad didn't love her or hermom.
So
JAMIE (36:06):
Or her mom or her or her mother.
Wow.
Cos
REBECCA (36:13):
know what though?
We, oh, sorry.
I'm sorry.
JAMIE (36:16):
Oh, I was just gonna say, cosmic said I used to get beat
up at least once a week as akid.
See, I feel like I was the kid.
Who would be like, literally Iwould beat up the bullies.
So like you were saying, like aguy punched you in the stomach.
if I saw that, like I would goafter that guy, even if I didn't
know you, I would go after that
REBECCA (36:33):
Thank you.
That was very nice of you.
Thank you.
JAMIE (36:39):
It's a thought that counts.
REBECCA (36:41):
I really appreciate shit.
JAMIE (36:46):
oh, so in like middle school, maybe like sixth or
seventh grade, like a lothappened in like sixth and
eighth grade, sixth, seventh,eighth grade.
I kind of like had this friendgroup of girls and it was like,
I think maybe four or five ofus.
And so like you said, with thethree, like it was even worse
because three people would gangup on one or two, or one girl
(37:09):
was Sweden and three other girlsganged up on one girl.
just always happened.
So for some reason, like I wasout at this time, I don't know
why.
and that's when they were allgetting like really into, like
witchy stuff and likewitchcraft.
And was already at that pointlike just like getting into my
(37:33):
like goth phase, my like punkgoth phase.
So I remember being like.
Like posers, because I was like,I already dressed the part like
you guys, like you're wearinglike floral dresses.
Rachel, please.
REBECCA (37:46):
I shaved my head.
Commit or fucking get off thepot.
JAMIE (37:48):
This was right before I shaved my head, so I hadn't
shaved my head Yeah.
Commit or get off the pot.
but for whatever reason, yeah,they like pushed me outta the
friend group and I remember thembeing like, we put a spell on
you and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And then,
REBECCA (38:03):
bitches.
JAMIE (38:04):
and then they were planning this whole big thing
where they were gonna run awayand they were gonna run away
from school and, but they liketold people.
And so most people were like,they're just bluffing.
Like whatever.
I knew that they were probablyreally gonna do it.
And I was just like, okay.
(38:24):
I think there was still part ofme though, because I wanted to
be part of the group that I waslike, I wish I was running away.
like there was,
REBECCA (38:32):
I.
JAMIE (38:34):
I wish, I mean, I'm probably really good at running
away.
they don't know the edibles haveedible, I think.
so they did, they planned thiswhole thing and they had
REBECCA (38:47):
I need your mom to pop in the chat, right?
And I'd be like, Jamie would'vebeen great at running away.
We're still proud of you,sweetie.
JAMIE (38:54):
I ran away for I don't know, like 30 minutes to an
hour.
I remember seeing my mom, like Iwas outside hiding, and I, it
was like in the snow and I wasfreezing.
And I remember watching my momdrive by'cause she was like
trying to find me and I waslike,
REBECCA (39:10):
Your mom looked for you.
JAMIE (39:12):
yes.
REBECCA (39:13):
My mom was like, don't let the door hit you on the way
out.
Let me help you pack goodbye andclose the door.
JAMIE (39:21):
So these girls, okay, so these girls ran away and what
they did,
REBECCA (39:26):
and how to where and how.
JAMIE (39:28):
so they just came to school and they all had an extra
bag.
So they had like their backpackfor school and then an extra
little bag, I
REBECCA (39:37):
There's stick with a bundle on the end, hobo.
JAMIE (39:41):
No.
What were bindals in like thelate nineties?
It would've been like,
REBECCA (39:46):
Okay.
JAMIE (39:48):
I don't know, like a Victoria's Secret tote that you
got like free with purchase orsomething.
What el what?
El what else?
think I don't know.
But so a few of us saw when theywere trying to leave, and so we
stopped and watched them.
And so they like opened a doorto go out and they took out,
(40:09):
nobody was around except like afew of us kids.
And so they opened the door togo out of the school and look
around, no teachers like, orparents or anything.
And then they ran.
They literally ran.
I was like, why are you running?
I was like, okay.
So they run,
REBECCA (40:24):
the name Jamie.
God, have you never ran awaybefore or anything?
JAMIE (40:27):
no, that's not even the best part.
So as they're running the onegirl, Jessica, whatever bag she
had, she probably had theVictoria's Secret bag, but it
was like packed so full, like Idon't know what this girl
fucking brought to run awaywith, but it was a lot.
but I do don't want things shebrought.
And so something fell out of herbag and like us standing there
(40:49):
we're like, oh, she dropped.
Oh, she's coming back.
Wait, they stopped.
She's going back to get likewhat she dropped.
And you know what it was, it wasa pair of high heeled jelly
shoes.
And I remember even at that agebeing like, why the fuck did she
(41:11):
bring her high heeled jellyshoes
REBECCA (41:13):
Those are the
JAMIE (41:15):
to run away as a young witch?
REBECCA (41:21):
Shut the.
JAMIE (41:25):
Oh yeah.
So I didn't get to wait.
You were so high pitched yourmic, couldn't possibly pick you
up.
What'd you say?
REBECCA (41:34):
I forgot about the witch part.
That makes it even better.
A little high school witch withher fucking jelly sandals.
JAMIE (41:40):
Yeah, they were like the clear ones and they were
sparkly.
REBECCA (41:45):
Her padded bra, her jelly sandals, her straightener.
JAMIE (41:50):
Yeah.
It was.
Oh man.
It was hilarious.
REBECCA (41:56):
right.
You would've been really good atrunning away.
'cause you would've known liketo actually pack the good stuff.
JAMIE (42:01):
I would've been like, I got canned goods like in my, in
my bag.
Like I don't even know what Iwould bring.
My sister wore exclusivelyjello, jello, jelly shoes for
ages.
I forgot about those.
Yeah, that was like such a hugething.
(42:21):
I had a pair of just like flatsI remember at one point.
But they were uncomfortable asfuck.
REBECCA (42:27):
Yeah.
'cause they made your feet
JAMIE (42:29):
Yeah.
REBECCA (42:32):
and then you would get blisters and then they would
never get clean and they justsmelled weird.
The, yeah.
No, I hated jellies.
JAMIE (42:39):
And she turned around and ran back with one of the other
girls, yelling, we'll conjure upmore later.
Forget about them.
I'm just kidding.
REBECCA (42:51):
where were they going though?
Like where were they planning?
Were like the streets or like adifferent state or like a bus
shelter.
JAMIE (42:57):
they thought that they were like running away for good.
They were running away from thecity, from their families.
I don't,
REBECCA (43:04):
In Ohio or mic was
JAMIE (43:05):
this was Michigan.
This was Michigan.
So I don't, I don't think I wasprivy'cause like they did share
with people that they were gonnarun away, but they didn't say
like a plan.
But I remember, like they, Iremember actually being in choir
and they were all behind me.
And so they were all in theirlike notebooks and their like,
books of shadow and whatnot andwhatever.
(43:27):
And I remember like turningaround to look at them and them
being like writing, like writingmore stuff.
So I think they had a plan.
I, maybe they did, maybe theydidn't.
I really don't know.
And I don't even remember whathappened.
'cause I know they got introuble.
I think they got like a coupleblocks and I think one of the
kids that was watching'em waslike a snitch.
(43:48):
And so I think one of those kidswas like, they ran away.
I am concerned about theirsafety.
Meanwhile, I was just like, thisdumb bitch brought jelly shoes.
Good riddance.
REBECCA (43:59):
She's gonna be the first to get kidnapped.
JAMIE (44:01):
She's not gonna survive out there.
You can't even hawk those for agood price.
Like, why?
REBECCA (44:10):
Oh fuck.
Did you ever run away in highschool?
Like to a friend's house or justI'm leaving for the night or
just, Hmm.
JAMIE (44:20):
No, in middle school I did a couple times.
One that I really remember thatwas the one I was telling you
about.
But I just ran to the end of mystreet and there was this, so
there's this office building atthe end of my street and I
always called it the wall.
my high school boyfriend wouldsometimes meet me at the wall
(44:40):
and we would make out, but itwas like a short wall, but it
was like on the main road.
So the wall was maybe like twofeet or three feet or something
like that, that was like aroundthis building.
And so I ran there and there waslike a corner where there was
like a little snow bank that hadpiled up by the office parking
(45:01):
lot.
And I had I remember like I dovein there'cause my mom was like
driving by and so I just hidthere.
Happy birthday too.
Remember it's having a birthday.
It's both of our birthdays.
This is our birthday month.
yeah, we're doing a giveawayraffle, but for some reason this
(45:22):
is not working, so That's great.
REBECCA (45:26):
reminder though.
It's a good reminder.
What was the worst punishmentyou ever had?
JAMIE (45:32):
Being grounded for a month.
And on top of that also thatmeant I was grounded from music.
REBECCA (45:41):
Oh shit.
JAMIE (45:42):
allowed to listen to music.
REBECCA (45:45):
Yep.
I had that,
JAMIE (45:48):
And that's just huh?
REBECCA (45:50):
I got my door and my bed taken away.
JAMIE (45:54):
Oh yeah.
That's messed up.
You had told me that your door,
REBECCA (45:58):
Bed, yeah.
Bed door and music.
So it was like literallyperfect.
JAMIE (46:03):
like bed and door, like that's,
REBECCA (46:06):
Yeah.
JAMIE (46:06):
it's pretty,
REBECCA (46:09):
That's not, that's not good.
It was not my favorite one.
JAMIE (46:13):
there's like documentaries about parents who
have
REBECCA (46:16):
Should, should have.
You know what?
I really should have leanedharder into running away.
Should have just been, I didn'tknow how
JAMIE (46:26):
Yeah.
I never like really did.
yeah.
I was grounded from my books fora month.
Yeah.
REBECCA (46:35):
being grounded from book.
I got grounded from the libraryin seventh grade and that fucked
me up'cause I wanted to read andI didn't wanna do my schoolwork.
Yeah, no.
That was the worst thing theycould do, like lost access to
books.
My most favorite thing in the
JAMIE (46:48):
Yeah.
That'll do it.
I, I remember when they groundedme from music though.
That, so I, it was when I shavedmy head in eighth grade that I
got grounded for a month.
And that was the longest I'dever been like by far.
I think the longest I had beengrounded by, at that point was
like a week.
I don't even think I had beengrounded for two weeks before.
REBECCA (47:09):
Amateur.
JAMIE (47:09):
And my oldest sibling, Brent found out that I was like,
grounded.
And so that was like, I don'tknow, I think he was like 19, 18
or 19, probably about 19.
He was six years older than meat the time.
And he found out about it.
(47:30):
And I remember I was comingdownstairs from my bedroom one
day and I heard Brent talking tomy mom in the kitchen.
And so I stopped'cause they werelike talking about me and I was
listening and Brent was like,you can't ground somebody from
music.
that's art.
what is, and he was like arguingfor me.
And I was like, okay.
oh, that's sweet.
(47:52):
It didn't help though.
So
REBECCA (47:54):
No.
Yeah.
Grounding us from, grounding usfrom literature and music.
That's a,
JAMIE (48:01):
I think that's messed
REBECCA (48:02):
I I'm sure there was a focus on the family article
somewhere that came out beinglike, if you really wanna get
your kids, yeah.
JAMIE (48:11):
and Nine Inch Nails
REBECCA (48:11):
Mm-hmm.
JAMIE (48:12):
are like, yes.
REBECCA (48:13):
Yes.
Ground them from
JAMIE (48:16):
Don't let them.
Pat said, I was always justgrounded to my room or in the
corner for hours.
Geez.
I talked to my English teacherinto giving me book reports for
extra credit.
That's awesome.
REBECCA (48:28):
yeah,
JAMIE (48:29):
Wow.
That's great.
Cosmic, I talk teachers
REBECCA (48:35):
Grounded from books.
JAMIE (48:36):
I was so good.
I'm, I can be so manipulativewhen I want to be.
REBECCA (48:42):
I would go in and help teachers grade paper.
See, I'm saying this out loud,I'm realizing I shouldn't say
out loud, but now I'm going tofinish.
In elementary school, I would goto teacher's classrooms and I
would help them grade papersinstead of, socializing with my
own fucking peer group.
JAMIE (49:00):
And she doesn't know why, but she didn't really have that
many friends.
REBECCA (49:04):
yep.
But again, I got to tell themwhat was wrong, mark it with a
red pen, and then write theright answer in there.
And I was very good at it.
JAMIE (49:14):
I feel like.
REBECCA (49:15):
I should save my so much money on therapy.
I feel like I've just solvedmyself.
JAMIE (49:18):
I feel like you're also the kid who would've done really
well on the dress codecommittee.
when they pull a student on andyou're supposed to go around and
give people slips.
like a dress code committee.
I've only actually seen this inshows.
We never had this.
REBECCA (49:33):
Oh, I was like, holy shit.
I thought you meant you had onethat was, that's insane.
Okay.
JAMIE (49:40):
but
REBECCA (49:40):
You know who else had a dress code committee?
The fucking
JAMIE (49:43):
Nazis.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
REBECCA (49:46):
It all comes back to that.
JAMIE (49:47):
We had a dress code for sure,
REBECCA (49:50):
Did you get sent home for breaking the dress code?
JAMIE (49:53):
I never actually got sent home for breaking dress code.
But I did get in trouble a lotfor breaking dress code and when
I shaved my head, they didn'tknow what to do with me.
What?
Go ahead
REBECCA (50:04):
Pat got in trouble for spitting and had to sit and spit
into a cup until it was full.
JAMIE (50:10):
It at school or at home?
REBECCA (50:13):
You got, you cannot tell your sister-in-law about
it.
JAMIE (50:18):
That is, that's awful.
REBECCA (50:24):
That's
JAMIE (50:25):
That's even worse than oh, you wanna smoke cigarettes,
kid here, smoke this entire packright now?
REBECCA (50:31):
Oh, you didn't have to do that?
JAMIE (50:32):
Mm-hmm.
REBECCA (50:34):
No, my uncle gave me a cigarette, so solve that real
quick.
JAMIE (50:42):
No, I was just smoking and keeping a secret for a very
long time, or at least I hadconvinced myself I was keeping
it a secret.
REBECCA (50:53):
That is
JAMIE (50:54):
That's unbelievable.
REBECCA (50:55):
fucking funny.
JAMIE (50:56):
I.
REBECCA (50:58):
I'm sorry.
It's very clear which one of usis not a parent because I'm
like, that's fucking so creativeand hilarious, and you're like,
that's off.
JAMIE (51:05):
That's creative and hilarious.
Rebecca's taking notes.
REBECCA (51:12):
I bet your mom was like, you feel like spitting, go
ahead.
Spit all you want that She gaveyou the cup right in the mom
voice.
I love it so much.
JAMIE (51:20):
Thank you guys for coming.
thanks for hanging out with usand doing all this.
We really appreciate it.
Yeah.
Don't forget to enter thegiveaway.
REBECCA (51:29):
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JAMIE (51:35):
Yeah.
So the free entry is if youfollow us on Twitch, you're
entered
REBECCA (51:39):
Mm-hmm.
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donating$5 to our PayPaldonation,
REBECCA (51:48):
And we're gonna randomly pick two winners and
they will receive their choiceof either a pack of burnout,
stickers or merch.
A burnout T-shirt.
JAMIE (51:57):
T-shirt.
Yeah.
Okay.
Bye everybody.
Thank you for our
REBECCA (52:03):
Bye.
Love you.
JAMIE (52:04):
Thanks so much.
All right, love you guys.
Bye.
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