This one's for all the Star Trek dads

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Pri (00:00):
Yeah, it's fun because, my husband, he's gonna be really

(00:02):
mad when he listens to this.
He definitely has a DHD, butlike vehemently denies it.
but a very different

Jamie (00:08):
You're like, you just like run around the house,
chasing him, being like, I'mdiagnosing you.
You're diagnosed
I am Jamie.
And I'm Rebecca.
Welcome to the BurnoutCollective.
Hey, hey everybody.

Rebecca (00:28):
Hi.
Welcome back,

Pri (00:30):
Hi.

Jamie (00:30):
What's up Pep Podcast day?
This is, this is pre,

Rebecca (00:36):
doctor.
Doctor.

Jamie (00:38):
sorry,

Pri (00:39):
Pre is fine.

Jamie (00:40):
Dr.
Pre.
No.
but yeah, we're really excitedto have.
PreOn today, pre is apsychologist and she focuses,
she's also an executive coach.
and she focuses onneurodivergence, so autism,
A-D-H-D-A-D-H-D.
and we're gonna talk about a lotof things with her today.

(01:01):
So welcome.
Pre

Pri (01:04):
Thank you.
I'm just

Jamie (01:06):
Yeah, like, we're so jazzed too.
I did wanna get somehousekeeping out of the way very
quickly.
So we were teasing that like wewere gonna do something special
'cause it's our birthday month.
And, on I guess the 20, what didwe say, the 29th?

Rebecca (01:22):
Mm-hmm.

Jamie (01:23):
on the 29th.
So that's next week already.
Wow.
This month went by so fast.
So on the 29th, I know.
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some subs or subscribingthemselves.
And that's it.

Pri (02:55):
it.

Jamie (02:56):
Housekeeping done.
We're house kept.
Oops.

Rebecca (03:01):
yeah.
Pree, do you just wanna start usin and talk a little bit about
what you do?
I know we've glossed over yourspecialties, but what you're
focusing on right now.

Pri (03:09):
Sure.
So I am a licensed psychologist,so I have a like private
practice, a group practice, andat that, that one, called ASHA
Mental Health.
We're focused on, therapyservices and assessment
services.
we, our kind of specialty areasare neurodivergence, especially
adult neurodivergence.
And then, multiculturallyinclusive care.

(03:30):
So, um, kind of important to bea safe space for all the
minority identified folks outthere.
The folks with marginalizedidentities.
So we see a lot of bipoc folks,L-G-B-T-Q, disabled, et cetera.
so through that I do sometherapy still, and then I do
adult A DHD and autismassessments.

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And then I also have a coachingand consulting business where
I'm like an A DHD and executivecoach.
So, um, that's focused on,again, usually like late
diagnosed a DH ADHD or the folksthat are high performing but
burning out and like needingsome support.
So I have a group coachingprogram which is currently
running, called Surviving toThriving, which is like an eight

(04:11):
week crash course in all thingsA DHD and reworking your
identity and shame and all thefun stuff that comes with late
diagnosis.
and then I also do individualcoaching, so got my hands full
with those two.

Jamie (04:25):
yeah, you do, you do have your hands full.
You're doing so much.
But like we love everythingyou're doing and literally just
happened to cross you onInstagram one day.
And also she has a killerInstagram and TikTok, so follow
her at, at Asha Coach.
she also, what was it, theseries you're doing what the

Pri (04:44):
Oh, why the fuck is this so hard?

Rebecca (04:46):
hard?

Jamie (04:46):
Yeah.
Why the fuck is this so hard?
which is great because it'slike, why the fuck is this so
hard when I'm neurodivergent?
A lot of like, just tips fromeverything from like
relationships to money to work.
and she does a really good job.

Pri (05:00):
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, it's been a, it's been afun one to film.
I've gotten a couple peopleupset with me for the name, but
for the most part, everyone'slike, yeah, why the fuck is this
so hard?
So

Jamie (05:08):
we voted for the name.
We voted for

Pri (05:10):
did, you did vote for it?

Jamie (05:14):
that one.

Rebecca (05:15):
of the things I really appreciated is yesterday when we
were chit-chatting a little bit,you mentioned that these, some
of the adults you're workingwith are actually older.
Like there's a couple, people intheir, I think you said fifties
or sixties, which has to be sucha relief for them just to have
someone who takes'em seriouslyand listens after all this time,
especially if that wasn'tsomething that was really
encouraged as they were growingup.

Pri (05:37):
Yeah, definitely.
There's, I was, pleasantlysurprised by like kind of the
eight at age spread that I, havein my group and just generally
and my following.
'cause it's, it's cool to beable to speak to like people in
all parts of life, but I thinkespecially for like humans alive
today, like so many people aregetting diagnosed later because
we just have way more nuancedunderstandings of what a DHD and

(06:00):
autism look like in adulthoodthat we just did not have even
five, 10 years ago.
and so all these folks aregetting to, like, for the women,
they're getting to likeperimenopause, menopause.
Their brains are likeshortcircuiting and then they're
like, what the fuck is going on?
And that's when they're gettingdiagnosed.
And so it's, it's like a, it'san intense like emotionally
heavy process to go throughlearning all this, especially.

(06:22):
in your fifties and sixties,like you've gone through so much
of your life holding so manybeliefs and ideas about you and
your flaws and how you work andto kind of like rework all of
that is like really meaningfulstuff.
I feel really honored that thesefolks are in this group and
working through this stuff withme.
I

Jamie (06:38):
Yeah, I know r Rebecca and I were also like late
diagnosed and just like in ourlate thirties, it was just like,
oh my God.
Like how did I go so long?
Just like trying to get aroundthese seemingly like obstacles
when I thought I was supposed tofit in this cookie cutter thing

(06:58):
and have this schedule and beable to do X, Y, and Z like
everybody else.
And, I.
Or like in a specific way, youknow that everybody else does
it, so I can't imagine.
Yeah.
Like getting it as late as likein your fifties, like

Pri (07:13):
I've had people sending me messages on Instagram in their
like seventies being like, I'min my seventies.
I'm just realizing that thisfits me.
and that is like so touchingthat they're sharing that with
me and that like, I get to playa role in that process.
And also, like, I feel so sadfor them because that's so long
to believe that there'ssomething wrong with you.
and to like not be able toaccess all these like, resources

(07:35):
and tools that would liketotally be a game changer.
So I, I, my little Instagramchannel, which just like, or
account or whatever the fuckit's called, has like exploded
very quickly.
And I'm so grateful because Ihave this like beautiful little
positive corner of the internet.
Like it's so rare to go throughmultiple posts and like almost
never have a negative comment.

(07:55):
I had one person make a negativecomment about my cursing and
like five people came at themlike, have my back.
But it just like feels reallygood, like in the world that
we're in today to like have alittle positive corner of the
internet.
It's been

Jamie (08:09):
that's great.
I'm so glad there's not too manyhaters because it can

Pri (08:13):
very few and like the ones that don't like me are like
really entertaining.
Like, I really hate the voicefilter you use.
It's annoying.
And I'm like, sorry bud.
That's just me.
I have to tell you.

Jamie (08:25):
Wait, they're saying like,

Rebecca (08:27):
thing to do.
Oh yeah.
Their favorite thing to do istalk to millennial women about
their vocal fry.
Like you have a PhD, you have adoctorate, you have whatever.
It doesn't matter if you havevocal fry dead to them.

Pri (08:38):
Then watch the captions mute me.
I don't care.
I like,

Jamie (08:42):
I think you have a beautiful voice.
So I think, yeah, everyone elsecan go fuck themselves.

Rebecca (08:48):
Yeah.
I would also, especially just'cause like the current age we
are in, I would love to dig alittle bit more into, and I, I
feel like this is something thatI either didn't know about or
people haven't really knownabout is perimenopause and A DHD
symptoms like.

Pri (09:04):
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca (09:04):
Starting to getting wor starting to get worse or not
being able to push through thoseanymore.
especially with women who havelike teens at this point.
And you feel like your head'sgonna explode and there's
actually a reason for it andit's not because you're going
crazy.

Pri (09:17):
Yeah.
there's a good reason you didn'tknow it, and it's because
researchers don't pour enoughmoney into researching women.
And so the studies researchingthis, like legitimately came
out, I think this year or lastyear, like their brand fucking
new.
so yeah, that's why you didn'tknow about it, because nobody,
nobody looked, we were justbeing hysterical and hormonal.

(09:38):
but it's so common, so commonfor women to not get diagnosed,
especially like today's GenXers, millennials, et cetera,
like.
Because up until like thenineties, there was like a
belief that like women didn'treally get a DH, ADHD girls
didn't really get a DHD up untilthe two thousands.
We believe that you grew out ofit by adulthood.

(09:59):
So adults don't have a DHD, allof which is like utter bs.
And so when you get toperimenopause and menopause,
what happens is what they'rerealizing is there's a link
between estrogen and A DHDsymptoms.
And so when the estrogen dropsin perimenopause, the A DH ADHD
symptoms get like way, wayworse.
and so you already have themenopause symptoms and then you
throw in like amped up A DHD.

(10:20):
And so like the word findinggoes through the roof, the
short-term memory issues gothrough the roof.
The like sense of generaloverwhelm goes through the roof.
And because women historicallyhave been misdiagnosed as just
anxious, we get written off asagain, like I said, being
dramatic or being anxious orjust I guess hormonal through
perimenopause.
And now they finally haveresearch saying like, no,

(10:40):
actually objectively your A DHDdoes get worse.
And your brain does feel likeit's short circuiting.
It's like the number of women Ihave come in for assessments in
that perimenopause menopausestage is like, it's actually the
majority of the folks that I endup assessing because they all
were like, I made it through andnow I like, I just cannot, like
I just can't function anymore.
I don't know if I can upkeep mybusiness.

(11:01):
I don't know if I can manage mykiddos.
Like I feel like I'm losing it.

Rebecca (11:05):
Yeah, the word finding and the sensory overload of like
just being hot or itchy oruncomfortable all the time.
So that made me already.
Freaked out, but then just, Icould not remember words for the
life of me.
It was driving me insane and Ijust, I was like, is this
dementia?
Is it Alzheimer's?
And so then that just madeeverything else worse'cause I
couldn't concentrate because I'mlike, I'm obviously crazy.

(11:27):
And it was just like this orBoris of, of just ratcheting up
every symptom I've ever had.
It was, it was nuts.

Pri (11:36):
Yeah.
I have a lot of women come to mesaying like, am I in cognitive
decline?
And.
it's good to get that tested,especially if you've got like a
family history.
We wanna roll things out andpeople really have misunder,
like underestimated misjudged.
I just like combine my words.
the like degree of impairment orimpact that comes with unmanaged

(11:58):
a DH, adhd, like, I thinkhistorically we've thought of
like the little kid bouncing ina seat in the classroom and like
when, when you translate that upto adulthood, it's, it's pretty
impactful.
Like it makes everything a fuckload harder at a chapter in life
when you have so much in yourbrain, so much to manage.
Especially if you're a woman anda mom or in a partnership and
like, there's all the likesocietal, extra expectations

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around mental load and emotionallabor.
It, it just like all compoundson itself.
Like for me, I didn't, I didn'tget diagnosed till after my
first kid and that was when Ifelt like my brain was imploding
because I like the mental loadof motherhood.
Plus like, at that point I wasin like upper leadership and a
group practice and like justgeneral life and.
That hormone swing too.
I, I was like, I am sooverwhelmed, but like the word

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anxious didn't like quite fit.
Right?
Because I wasn't globallyanxious.
it was just like, if I couldturn down the volume on all the
things constantly pinging in mybrain and like get a grasp on
them, then I would be fine.
But it was that sense of notbeing able to get a grasp on
everything that was floatingaround that just like finally
got my therapist to convince melike, Hey, maybe go get

(13:04):
assessed.

Rebecca (13:07):
Are they looking at, are they looking at, or, I mean
I say this knowing that theanswer's gonna be no, but are
they looking at a difference?
What it makes for women inperimenopause who, with hormone
replacement therapy and or a DHADHD medication and or, therapy,
are they looking at that at allto see like what's helpful or
have there been any studies onlike, what, what can help with

(13:27):
that?

Pri (13:28):
I would love to think that they are, I don't.
I don't know that I've seenthat.
logically it would make sensethat hormone replacement stuff
would help along with obviouslythe meds.
just given that if it's a dropin estrogen that is impacting
the symptoms and like mitigatingfor that should be helpful.
but I don't, I don't actuallyknow, this research is so
freaking new that like I I, andlike we now have an admin that

(13:48):
won't let us research women.
So I, I actually don't know.
So sorry.
I like didn't mean to poke the

Jamie (14:00):
No,

Pri (14:01):
political bear,

Jamie (14:02):
come up.
I feel like it somehow comes upin every episode, which is like

Pri (14:05):
well, especially if you're talking about neurodivergence
'cause like what are we doing?

Jamie (14:11):
I don't think I'm in perimenopause yet.
I am like getting, I'm that age,but, I didn't even realize you
were talking about just the dropin estrogen.
Like for medical reasons I hadto stop taking estrogen and I
did notice everything getting, Ican't even remember if that was
like right before I gotdiagnosed.
I think it was like around thatsame time.

(14:33):
and I didn't realize like thatcould have been making it so
much worse to where I got towhere I finally, unfortunately
it took, it took it that long toget so bad for me to be like, I
have to seek something out forthis.
I.

Pri (14:47):
yeah, and that also explains why for many of us,
like depending on where we arein our cycle, our A DH ADHD is
worse too.
And so if you're working with apsychiatrist who gets that,
sometimes you'll get somebodywho will give you like a, a
booster dose for like whenyou're in your luteal phase,
because that's when like yourestrogen is lowest and your
symptoms are worse.
then a lot of other, most medproviders are not super well

(15:10):
versed on what all these thingslook like in women and how the
hormones play in.
And so then they're just like,it's just PMS or it's just PMDD
and like write it off.
but yeah, like if you've known,if you've ever been on your
cycle and noticed that there wasa particular week of the month
that always, like your brain isoff the rails beyond just like,
higher emotional distress orwhatever the stereotypes are of

(15:31):
PMS.
it it, like your A DHD probablywas objectively worse during
that time period.

Jamie (15:36):
yeah.

Rebecca (15:37):
Okay.
Is there anything that, like, asfar as it showing up in women,
is there anything that's againstwhat's considered the norm for A
DHD?
or are there surprisingdifferent ways that it shows up
that people don't necessarilyconnect with a DHD?

Pri (15:51):
Yeah.
I think like the main, there'slike two levels to that
question.
One is a lot of people don'trealize all the facets of A DHD,
which is why I started.
My series in the first placebecause just the executive
function series, people werelike, I had no idea that these
were things that were impactedby A DHD.
So generally, there's probably alot for everybody with A DHD
that they didn't realize was ADHD.

(16:11):
I know I went through that and Ihave a fricking doctorate in
clinical psych and I still waslike, wait, what?
yeah, so I would, I've got thatcaveat.
And then for like women andgirls, so girls tend to be, not
always the case, but tend to bemore on the inattentive side
than the hyperactive side.
So they're the daydreamers, theones that are spacing out in
class, the ones that are like intheir own world, which again,

(16:33):
like socially is fine, or moreacceptable.
So it doesn't get pinged the waythat like a kid bouncing out of
his chair gets pinged byteachers.
it often, like for the ones thatare hyperactive like me, it
shows up as being really chattyand social.
So like if you were a kiddo whogot all the report cards saying
like, what a delight to have,but also talks too much in
class.

Jamie (16:53):
But also won't shut the hell up,

Pri (16:55):
Yep.
Distracts her classmates bytalking too much.
Like that is a sign ofhyperactivity, which again,
like, it's just like written offas like really social.
you also see, I'm trying tothink of like, what else are
some of those key differences?
One of the reasons that it likealso presents differently, even
for the hyperactive girls isbecause we're socialized from
such a young age to like begood, to take up less space to

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listen to, not make a fuss, tonot be hard, to be easy.
and so because of that, like weinternalize the masking like way
earlier than the boys do.
so like when I talk to girlsabout like, fidgeting and like
physical restlessness, it'salways something small, or not
always, but often, like it'sclicking a pen, it's playing
with a ring.
It's not getting up outta myseat in the middle of the

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classroom.
So again, like doesn't getflagged by teachers.
And then like a lot of, a lot ofthe anxiety that comes with
trying to mask and trying tolike reign in a brain that you
don't realize has legitimatereasons for not being reigned in
then channels into likeperfectionism, or high levels of
like anxiety, which

Jamie (18:03):
Stop diagnosing us.

Pri (18:05):
I'm sorry,

Jamie (18:06):
us right now.
Rebecca and I are

Pri (18:08):
to get, that tends to get noticed, but then it's noticed
as anxiety.
And so I would say like the mostcommon misdiagnosis for women is
anxiety because we get generallywritten off as being overly
anxious.
or like our emotiondysregulation, which comes with
a DH, ADHD gets written off asjust being dramatic.

(18:28):
and so I think all the likestereotypes there, plus the
socialization, plus the factthat we tend to lean a little
more inattentive, which isn't.
As visible, like all of thatcombines together into this
like, perfect storm of why we'vebeen missed.
Plus the fact that like theydidn't think adults could have
it and they didn't really thinkwomen got it often.
Like all of that together.
And if you throw like autism inthere, like the understanding of

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that is like even like evenworse.
And so if you were an autisticor A-A-D-H-D girl, like you were
for sure gonna be missedbecause, again, like you
couldn't concurrently diagnose aDH, ADHD and autism until I was
in grad school.
Like that's how recent it isthat you can have both.
which is wild because the statson how many people have both are

(19:09):
so high.
and then like they for suredidn't think like women were
autistic ever until like the twothousands.
And so like Tpo Grandin is likesuch a big name because she was
one of the first ones to likereally be like, hi, clearly
autistic here, let's talk aboutit.
so I mean like those factorsaltogether, like every,
everything gets missed because.
if you're quiet or you're shy orlike you are sensitive, like it

(19:33):
just gets written off as likegirly features.
I don't know how else to putthat, but

Jamie (19:39):
Yeah, lots of, is that also, I don't know, I keep
thinking about how in myexperience, every man I know
falls asleep so easily, but assoon as my head hits the pillow,
my brain is like, like overtime.
Like, it's always overtime, butit's like over, over time.
yeah, I

Pri (19:58):
that's, that's hyperactivity.
So like, our hyperactivity isinternalized, so it happens in
our thoughts, it happens in ourlike, level of overwhelm and
anxiety.
So Yeah, it's like I, I know.
So fun.
So yeah, it's like our braincan't turn off.
and that's usually like where weget so burnt out.
And then a DH ADHD comes withsleep issues anyways, like a DHD
disrupts, circadian rhythms andmelatonin production.

(20:21):
Anyways, you combine that witha.
Brain that can't stop and like,yeah, no shit, we can't sleep.

Jamie (20:27):
Yeah.

Rebecca (20:29):
it was really, it was interesting too, like how, fuck,
I just see this is what happens.
I just, I had a thought and nowit's gone.

Jamie (20:36):
all the time.

Pri (20:37):
You're in good company.

Rebecca (20:40):
nevermind.

Jamie (20:40):
We were talking about our brains not shutting off.

Rebecca (20:44):
Oh, I was gonna say, so as along with women too, like a
lot of us have beenself-medicating with energy,
drinks, coffee, like all thisother stuff too.
and then as you get older and itgives you heartburn and you
can't drink it anymore and justlike, oh my God, what is
happening?
That was another thing thatjust, it's like, oh, something's
wrong.
No, it's just because you hadthe caffeine to like keep you

(21:05):
going and keep you on the studylevel.
So yeah, it's just been, it'sbeen really interesting having
everything kind of unravel

Pri (21:12):
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca (21:13):
midlife,

Pri (21:15):
Yeah.
I feel like this is absolutelynot.
Diagnostic criteria at all.
But I feel like it you, if weask people like, can you drink
coffee and go to bed?
Like, that should be a prettygood indicator that like there's
some A DH ADHD potentiallyhappening there because like
coffee's a stimulant, right?
So that makes our brainsfunction as they should.
And I don't like my wholefamily.

(21:35):
We drink a cup of coffee at 11and then go to bed.
Like that is just like part ofthe nighttime routine in my
family.
And we've always just been like,caffeine doesn't affect us.
No, actually, like our brainsare just really needing a
stimulant.

Jamie (21:46):
That's crazy.
That's

Pri (21:47):
And the caffeine was making us like partially functional.
Obviously everyone's brain isdifferent.
Everybody's like, body chemistryworks differently.
So that's not like a global

Jamie (21:54):
never thought of that though.
'cause I know so many people whoare like, no, it doesn't affect
me.
It doesn't affect me.
You

Pri (21:58):
I would love to do a study on like how many of the people
that say it doesn't affect themhave a DHD.
Because I think that's justlike, that's what kicks our
brain on and like.

Rebecca (22:08):
they used to give kids coffee like in elementary school
when they were little, likebefore they had, like
legitimately, my friend was ateacher's aid in the nineties
and she would give the a DH ADHDkids like a cup of coffee in the
mornings to just kinda even'emout.

Pri (22:21):
Yeah, it just like, it's a shortcut way to kick your brain
on,

Jamie (22:26):
My seventh,

Pri (22:27):
so many of us drink so many energy drinks, like you said, or
too many cups of coffee in a day

Jamie (22:31):
my seventh grade teacher used to send to me and my
friend,'cause like we were likerestless during last period.
And so she used to just be like,go run around the block.
And I don't think she wassupposed to do that at all, but
she would literally just say, gorun around the block.
And we would go run around theblock.

Pri (22:46):
And it was probably super regulating.
Yeah.

Jamie (22:48):
yeah, it was great.
It was wonderful.
I feel like yeah, she was makingaccommodations for us and like,
I didn't even realize it.

Pri (22:56):
that's why I know like, and this totally varies by school
district and school, but likemore schools are allowing for
kids to like sit on bouncy ballsinstead of sitting on like
chairs or like have the littlerubber bands under their feet so
they can wiggle and it.
It makes so much sense becauseit just, a little bit of
movement can keep your brain ontrack in a really significant
way and that's such an easyaccommodation to make, to help

(23:17):
kiddos like stay present and getthe wiggles out.
Like my kid could not sit stillif his life offended on it.

Rebecca (23:23):
no, no.
My daughter's school has likestanding desks and wiggle
chairs, and they have like asensory room.
And most of our kids.
There are like on five oh foursor IEPs, but they've really, the
focus they get outta these kidswhere before they were quote
like in trouble or the bad kidsis because they're able to just
get it out and, and focus.

Pri (23:46):
Yeah, I mean I don't like if you've ever paced when you're
talking on the phone'cause ithelps you listen.

Jamie (23:50):
always.

Pri (23:51):
so many of us listen better when we're in movement and can
stay like focused on what we'redoing when we're like, our hands
are occupied or our bodies areoccupied.
so yeah, it seems like silly toforce kids to sit.
And dust plus, like nobody who'sfive can sit still.
Like that's just an absurdexpectation anyways.

Jamie (24:08):
For real.

Pri (24:09):
yeah,

Rebecca (24:11):
Have a lot of the people who's come to you, like
have they had their kidsdiagnosed first and then been
like, oh, by the way.

Pri (24:17):
yeah.
a lot of folks both like thatshow up for assessment and that
are just like following onInstagram and commenting and
things.
it's often my kid got diagnosedand then as I was reading about
it or as they were tested, Irealized that I had all the same
stuff.
And a lot of times,

Rebecca (24:33):
Yeah.

Pri (24:35):
like part of why kids, or like these adults are getting
diagnosed later too is'causelike their parents had a DHD or
were autistic and didn't flag itas different because nobody
flagged them as being differentand therefore.
when their kid does whateverquirky thing they do or
whatever, a DH ADHD like thingthey do, they're just like, I
was just like that.

(24:55):
That's just kids being kids.
And so like, it becomes like agenerational stack of like
everybody writing off the stuffbecause they're just like the
generation above not realizingthat like, Hey, all of you guys
are neurodivergent welcome.
So

Jamie (25:10):
I would, I would love, I would love for you to, diagnose
my parents.
Like that would be awesome.
I, yeah.

Pri (25:17):
I finally gotten my dad to the stage where he's like, maybe
I'm like a little bit a DHD.
And I'm like, Uhhuh.

Rebecca (25:25):
all the Star Trek dads out there are like suddenly on
the defense,

Jamie (25:29):
My dad's a Star Trek dad.

Rebecca (25:32):
so is mine.

Pri (25:33):
Yeah.

Jamie (25:34):
Oh

Pri (25:34):
But yeah, so many people are like, I see so much of
myself in my kid and it waseasier to get my kid.
Identified and diag know becauseteachers now are more informed,
doctors now are more informed.
And like, so much of my life nowmakes sense.
Watching it through my kid.

Jamie (25:50):
they still make it so difficult though, too for,
adults to get diagnoses like.

Pri (25:55):
Yes.
Because so many people are badat it.
I'm being honest.
Like I get in like a good onlinefight with a assessor at least
once a week, if not more overlike stupid shit.
Like if you have a job, youcan't have a DHD.
If you manage to get married andkeep a career, you can't have a
DHD.
if you make eye contact, youcan't be autistic.

(26:17):
you did small talk, thereforeyou can't be neurodivergent and
like all this, it's just likedead wrong.
But I can attest to our trainingnot being up to date.
So therefore it makes sense thatall the, unless you've gone and
sought out the informationyourself, like of course you're
not up to date.

Rebecca (26:35):
Didn't you say you had like a day or like, like a
week's worth of education onNeurodivergence for your whole
schooling?

Pri (26:41):
Yeah, A week would've been really ju it was like an hour of
a class.

Jamie (26:44):
A week would've been generous.
Fuck.

Pri (26:47):
Let me, put the caveat that like, I didn't specialize in
child and adolescent and I'mguessing they probably got more,
I was more a general psych, butNo, it was like one, we had like
a class in our first year thatwent through the DSM and went
through all the diagnoses and Ithink like we spent an hour on
neuro mental stuff, maybe two.
and that was it.
And it was like in reference tokiddos, like it wasn't in

(27:09):
reference to adults, which islike how I made it through grad
school and got my degree and didnot recognize that I had a DHD
because I had like no clearpicture of what that looks like,
which is so sad.

Rebecca (27:23):
your co, in your coaching, like do you work on
like, is there like anacceptance?
Like is there like, no, I can'tbe here.
Like do people come to accept itor is it more like a relief or
are they just in denial whenthey get their diagnosis?
Like how have people reacted?

Pri (27:37):
Yes.
So

Rebecca (27:38):
Okay,

Pri (27:39):
it's all, it's all the above.
I think there's relief in that.
Like there's an explanation forwhy things are hard.
There's worry that you're makingit up or faking it because, what
if I'm just being dramatic?
What if I just lied about it?
Is it, what if it's really notthat hard?
there's grief over like, whatcould things have looked like if
I had known this sooner?
There's anger over all thepeople that missed it along the

(28:00):
way.
sometimes when you start medstoo, you go through another mini
cycle of that because if youstart the meds and they work for
you and your brain turns on andthen you're like, what the fuck?
I could have felt this wayforever.
And also there's a whole subsetof humans that get to feel this
way without having to take meds.
Like, what is this?
we're actually just talkingabout that in my coaching
program today.
So it's, it's like a veryemotional process.

(28:22):
And like in our group coachingprogram, I start with like, our
first one is just kinda likeoverlay of like, let's
understand what A DHD is.
Let's understand parts of thebrain.
Let's understand generally whatexecutive function is.
And like our second week is allabout like shame and rewriting
your inner narrative because Idon't think you can work on
implementing new schedules foryourself or advocating for stuff

(28:43):
at work or any of those otherpieces if you're still like
drowning in the shame overwhat's hard for you.
so we do like a whole like weakdeep dive on.
Where does shame come from?
Why do you have such a hard timewith self-trust?
Like let's learn to rewritethose narratives and like put a
different explanation for whyyou've done the things that
you've done.

Jamie (29:02):
That's such a big part.
That's such a big part of ittoo, is the shame.
Yeah, I,

Pri (29:07):
Yeah.
I've yet to meet an A DH ADHDthat didn't internalize some of
that.

Rebecca (29:13):
that's gotta be nice to just have someone walk you
through it and holding yourhand.
And just, can you talk moreabout like your coaching, you
said it's eight weeks.
Can you take us through sort oflike what you do and what you're
working on?
Is it like just self-acceptanceor learning how to accommodate.

Pri (29:27):
Yeah, so it is like I said, it's an eight week crash course,
and I'm actually gettingfeedback from everybody on
there.
That eight is too short.
so maybe I'll adjust it forfuture cohorts.
But, each week we have adifferent like topic area that
we're diving into.
week one was like understandingyour DHD brain.
That's where we talked aboutlike the neurochemistry of it,
our motivation systems, ourexecutive functions, et cetera.

(29:47):
The second week was rewritingyour narrative.
The third week, which is whatwe're in right now, was, time
and productivity and like how tomanage all your to-do lists, how
to manage time, why it's so hardfor you.
To figure out how to do yourschedule, things like that.
And so each week we, I teach foran hour, so I have like course
content.
I usually have a couple likemini prerecorded lessons that
are like 10, 15 minutes, like godeeper into certain topics.

(30:09):
and then I do a group coachingcall like later in the week
where anybody that's gettingstuck on anything can like raise
their hand and get coached onwhatever they're wrestling with
that week.
and then there's a workbook too,but I know who my audience is,
so I'm guessing out of the like13 people I have one to two have
opened the workbook.
but there

Jamie (30:28):
be like a surprise in there or something like,

Pri (30:30):
There should be, I just like to remind everybody that
like you have access to allthese recordings forever.
You've got access to theseworkbooks forever.
Like if now is not the time,like you're too flooded or
there's too much going on,that's okay.
Like this is one of those spaceswhere you can't do it wrong
because you've spent your wholelife telling yourself you're
doing it wrong.
so if you've never crack aworkbook, you've still done it,
right?
It just like that wasn't thetool you needed right now.

(30:51):
And that's fine.
so there's also like, myfavorite part of it is, the
community space that we have.
So I'm on circle.
I don't know if you guys arefamiliar with that, but, it's
kind of like if, slack andFacebook had a baby.
and so it's and like added inlike courses.
So it's just like one kind of

Jamie (31:11):
don't give meta any more ideas.
I'm just kidding.

Pri (31:14):
it's true.
you didn't hear any of that.
but there's like differentdiscussion boards.
So there's places where they canpost what they wanna be working
on for accountability.
There's places to like askquestions about the call
content.
There's places to share wins.
and so it's fun to see peoplelike connect with each other and
relate to each other.
'cause even if you don't shareyour own stuff, you're probably

(31:34):
gonna hear something fromsomebody else that sounds
familiar and is reallyvalidating.

Rebecca (31:38):
Yeah.
Are, are you talking about likemaking your own accommodations
at work at all?
Are you talking about asking foraccommodations at work or like
learning how to work with yourown brain?

Pri (31:48):
Yeah.
Next week's, module is actuallyall about like work, and
figuring out what parts of workare hard and why, and then what
you want to do with it.
we, yes, we talk about like whatkinds of accommodations could be
available to you, which a lot oftimes.
People don't realize, like youdon't actually have to
officially have a diagnosis toask for accommodations.
A lot of workplaces don'trequire you to disclose a
diagnosis.

(32:08):
and then if you do deci disclosea diagnosis, like they have to
work with you within likereasonable means.
Granted, every company gets todecide what counts as
reasonable.
but we are gonna be talkingabout like, what are some of the
ways that you can talk to yourboss that doesn't like set off
red flags or that like advocatesfor yourself without, selling
yourself short.
Because like, I can do thething, I just can't do the thing

(32:29):
the way that you just asked meto do it.
Or I can do it the way you askedme, but it won't be as good as
if I do it my way.
so using phrasing like, I workbest when I'm most successful.
I could see this going reallywell if, and then, yeah, there's
lots of creative ways to thinkabout accommodations.
Like it could be from, the bigones people ask for, like being

(32:50):
able to work remotely.
Or having flex time on like whenthey arrive and when they leave.
'cause a DH ADHD is, if you'vegot a workplace that like starts
at the hour on the dot, that'soften tough for us.
There's, there is a good subsetof folks that can do that, that
it can be on time and get theirasses there.
I am not one of them.
so yeah, if I had a job where Igot fired for being a minute

(33:12):
late, I would be fired so fast.

Jamie (33:14):
If my friends could fire me for being a minute late like
I would be, I would've nofriends.
Rebecca touchy dare look likethat.
She's like,

Pri (33:24):
I have a friend that like legitimately gives me the wrong
start time because they'velearned that like, I will not
show up.
At the time that's stated.
And part of that I think iscultural.
Cultural.
I'm gonna blame it because mywhole family runs late, which we
always called Indian standardtime because like if you invite
Indians over for dinner ateight, they will be there at 10.
And that's like prettyculturally normative.

(33:46):
So either we're all A DHD orlike the two play together
really well.
But

Jamie (33:50):
That's awesome.

Pri (33:52):
yeah, like I vividly remember the first time I had my
own birthday party and it waslike with my friends from
school.
I'm from suburban Virginia, solike all white.
And I think I told everybody theparty was at three and like
people showed up at three and Iwas so fucking confused because
like my hair was wet, I wasn'tin my dress.
I was like, what are you doinghere?
And it's because it was threeand white people show up at

(34:13):
three.
When you say three, like

Jamie (34:16):
Unless they're a DHD.

Pri (34:18):
unless they're a D, HD, which apparently nobody's
parents were.
but

Jamie (34:22):
Yeah.

Pri (34:23):
it was like such a moment of cultural shock.
I got way off course with that.
What were we talking about?
Accommodations?
so

Rebecca (34:30):
about like putting a target on your back.

Jamie (34:31):
And does that, yeah, we talk about that too with the new
admin.
It's like, I don't know, do yougive like different advice now
to people?

Rebecca (34:40):
Oh yeah,

Pri (34:41):
I, I do for sure.
When it comes to autismdiagnoses, we're talking a lot
more actively around like, whatare we documenting?
What goes in your chart?
What does not, and what are therisks of, of that?

Jamie (34:56):
Yeah.

Pri (34:58):
which like, yeah, it is bonkers that we have to have
that conversation that way.
But, same with in workplaces.
what's really hard, and anybodywho's neuro divergent knows this
from felt experience, like youcan put a target on your back.
Like you could be very capableand because of societal
misconceptions and biases andshit like.

(35:20):
If you say the wrong diagnosisper hr, like they'll figure out
how to get rid of you.
And so you have to be carefuldepending on your workplace.
so that's why like, I think it'simportant to be really
thoughtful around whether youwant to disclose, or whether you
can make tweaks for yourself oradvocate for tweaks with like
your boss without having toshare a diagnosis or get it put

(35:41):
in your HR file or whatever.
And it's so shitty that we livein a world that we have to think
that way.
And I hope that that changes'cause I see younger generations
doing better withNeurodivergence, but yeah, it's
not always safe for people,especially if you're multiply
marginalized, if you're,L-G-B-T-Q, if you're bipoc,
like, it's like triple targetson your back, you know?
So being really mindful of that.

Rebecca (36:05):
I, I had to because I was tired of at work, everyone
thinking I was a giant fuckingbitch,

Pri (36:11):
Hmm.

Rebecca (36:13):
just because in meetings my face would just
listening.
I would just be listening andthey would just think I was
being, or when I would saysomething and it was like X, Y,
and Z and there wasn't, youknow.
A vocal smiley face or anexclamation point attached to
it.
and it was just so isolating.
But at the same time, it dependson who you tell.

(36:34):
'cause then you get handled withlike kid gloves or, you know,
get talked down to.
So it's, it's a lose losesituation sometimes times.

Jamie (36:43):
sometimes it is.
Yeah.

Pri (36:45):
I like recently went to a training on like writing
accommodation letters, like howto do it better effectively and
how to still be likeneurodiversity affirming and
it's a fine line, right?
'cause you've gotta demonstratethat this person is struggling.
But then, like, I am verypassionate about being neuro
neurodiversity affirming.
And so it feels like verycounter to my intuition to write

(37:05):
out what's hard, or like whatsomebody is struggling with.
and Yeah, like knowing theaudience that you're writing for
though.
But like you can write lettersthat say, you know, I have this
diagnosis.
This is actually what thismeans.
This is not what it means.
It doesn't mean I can't do thisjob.
It doesn't mean that I don'thave the requisite skills.
It doesn't mean that I don'tcare about these things.
What it does mean is that like Icommunicate differently or, I

(37:29):
need a lot more structure for mybrain to be able to like meet
expectations.
And so you can speak to bothwhen you write a letter to HR
for accommodations or thingslike that.
And part of my job as apsychologist and then also as a
coach is like helping figurepeople figure out like what they
want to advocate for and how,versus what they wanna do for

(37:49):
themselves.
Like, do you just wanna haveyour own set of rules and
scaffolding and accountabilityand support that's from your own
personal life that still helpsyou out in the workspace?

Jamie (38:00):
Yeah.
I do wanna take a second to goto chat if that's okay.
first of all, apparently likeeverybody wants you to diagnose
them, so except, except mymother who is actually here and
was like, no, thank you.
boomers, cosmic said society hasput so much stigma on taking
medicine that the amount ofpeople who intentionally go
undiagnosed is staggering.

(38:21):
That's very true.
tuck says so true.
Time is so hard, and I wouldlove to read more studies of how
A DHD is expressed or seenculturally.
Yeah.

Pri (38:34):
Yeah.
I dunno what studies to directyou towards, but I know from
like my reading and learningthat like there's different.
There's different expressions ofA DHD and then also different
levels of like social acceptanceof those kinds of struggles
combined with like just generalknowledge base.
So for example, Indiansculturally, like are catching up

(38:58):
on mental health, but likegenerally haven't been stellar
about considering it as a realthing or like understanding it.
And so the tendency to operateoff really old stereotypes and
then hold a lot of judgment ispretty high.
that being said, that I see thatshifting.
I see it shifting in my family.
I see it shifting in like theIndians that reach out to me
online, like trying to get abetter understanding of it.
But it's easy to write off kidswho are having like a sensory

(39:22):
meltdown as being like naughtykids.
because like compliance is soheavy in that culture.
and so it's easy to write'em offas like being misbehaved, being
naughty, being bad in some way,or like parents that are like
too lax versus like, Hey, thiskid is like.
Overstimulated, it's too loud.
They're feeling hot and they'remelting down.
Like that is not, that's not thesame thing.
Or, a kid not listening, beingread as like, just being

(39:45):
disrespectful versus like, theycannot attend to what you're
saying when there's this muchother stuff attract, like
getting their attention.

Jamie (39:53):
I don't have authority issues.
It's just my, I'm just kidding.

Pri (39:57):
I mean you might also, but,

Jamie (39:59):
Preach, please, please.

Pri (40:04):
but yeah, I think like everybody reads it through like
cultural lenses and I think theexpressions show up through
cultural lenses.
So you'll see in cultures wherelike propriety is really
important and respect is reallyimportant.
Like you're gonna have a lotmore of the internalized
experience or the smalleractions versus the bigger
behaviors.
there's gonna be differentlevels of comfort about talking

(40:24):
about it and different meaningsattributed to it.
Yeah, I don't have like a set ofstudies to direct you towards,
but I know that there's a lotout there about really all of
mental health.
and then with Neurodivergencebeing one that we're like
relatively recent and new onlearning more about, like, it
makes sense that it hasn't kindof proliferated, proliferated

(40:45):
everywhere.
Pretend I can speak.

Jamie (40:48):
Yeah.
manic said, building one'sscaffolding for success is so
vital.
I have various ways of keepingmy attention issues at bay, and
it gives the surface appearancethat I'm constantly distracted.
Oh, it gives appearance thatyou're distracted,

Pri (41:04):
Oh, interesting.

Jamie (41:05):
huh?

Pri (41:07):
I wonder if that's like around and you can comment.
but like what I was saying, whenyou really need to like wiggle
or move around or, not make eyecontact so you can listen
better, things like that thatcould get read as,

Jamie (41:21):
yeah, yeah, for sure.
I.

Rebecca (41:26):
Have you found that working with adults, late
diagnosed, have you found thatthat's changed the way you
parent at all with your ownkids?
Like has it made you given youmore empathy or like changed
anything for you as a parent?
I.

Pri (41:40):
Oh, yes.
But like everything changeseverything as a parent by the
minute.
so yes, because I have way morecompassion for the same like
behaviors and things that I seein my kiddos.
So my son is autistic, he's alsofor sure A DHD, but too young to
be diagnosed yet.

(42:00):
but I like, I think through likewhat were the things that, like,
I found so life changing tolearn in adulthood that these
folks that I'm talking to arefinding so life changing, to
learn in adulthood and like, howdo I teach my kid that younger?
So it's not life changing orit's life changing, like in a.
Positive way, not like in agrief filled way.
we also, and this, I don't knowif this is just because of the

(42:22):
neurodivergence or if this isjust because I'm a psychologist,
so my kids are screwed.
But we talk a lot aboutfeelings.
we talk a lot about, what weneed to regulate, which, like, I
know I didn't grow up with, Idon't think most people in our
generation grew up with a ton ofthat.
so my little guy, he is four andlike he will tell you like, I
need some space.
or I'm feeling really sad rightnow.

(42:43):
and my favorite phase was whenhe would say he was disappeared
by which he meant disappointed.
but he would be like, mom, I'mdisappeared.

Jamie (42:50):
I am not mad.
I'm just disappeared, mom.
Aw,

Pri (42:52):
yeah.
and even things like I.
I don't know where he got thisfrom and it like killed me the
first time I heard it.
But like when I get grumpy andI'll name like, Hey, I'm feeling
frustrated.
And he'll go, do you still loveme?
And I say like, yes, of course.
Like there is nothing that willmake me not love you.
And then he goes, so you canlove me when you're grumpy.
And I was like, absolutely.
And he's like, and I can loveyou when I'm grumpy.

(43:13):
And I like, yes you can.
But like I implicitly know thatas an adult, I don't think I
like implicitly knew that as akid.
Like that's an easy thing toconflate.
And so it's just, and again, Idon't know whether to attribute
that to working withNeurodivergence or whether to
attribute that to just being ashrink and therefore being all
in my fields.

Rebecca (43:33):
what the perfection, what the perfectionism.
When you have a parent say, I'mdisappointed.
That's like, oh, then I am notperfect and not love.
So like the fact that you arebeing like one is not contingent
on the other so early,especially for no divergent kid,
I'm telling you probably meansthe world.
Like

Jamie (43:52):
Oh, truly.

Rebecca (43:53):
helpful.

Jamie (43:54):
Yeah.

Pri (43:54):
I also like.
I'm sure someday I will say it,I have not yet said that I'm
disappointed because as anIndian kid, like there is no
worse thing to hear thandisappointed.
Like, you could tell me you'remad at me all day, but if you
tell me you're disappointed, I'mgonna like crumble.
So I don't think I've actuallytold him that.
I'm sure he picked that up fromlike, I don't know, miss Rachel
or something.

(44:15):
But like, yeah, it, I, I usegrumpy and frustrated a lot
though because it is very grumpyand frustrating to have a
4-year-old and a 2-year-old thatwon't get out the door in the
morning.

Rebecca (44:25):
Oh, no,

Jamie (44:26):
yeah.
Two, two young children, period.
It's just,

Pri (44:30):
Yes.
And they're just like, have youguys, I don't know how many
non-parents have seen this, butlike Zootopia, have you seen the
animated movie?
So there's a scene where they goto the DMV and it's literal
slots working at the DMV, andthey're moving like.
At negative speed and like,that's what it feels like when
you tell your kids like, okay,it's time to go.
We're late.

(44:50):
And they're like, yes, here wego.

Rebecca (44:53):
And they have to do it themselves.
You can't do it for them.
You can't do it fast either.
'cause it has to be them.

Pri (45:00):
yes.

Rebecca (45:00):
God help you,

Pri (45:02):
Yeah.
My, my almost 2-year-old is likein the, I can do it myself, but
also do it for me, but also notthat.
And so it's like, I need shoes,but you can't put them on my
feet.
But then I can't put them on myfeet, so we're just gonna sit
here and cry face.

Jamie (45:18):
oh God.
Your kids are actually the same,the exact same ages as my niece
and nephew.
So that's Yeah.

Pri (45:26):
fun.
it's a very fun age, but there'sa lot of frustration.

Jamie (45:31):
Yeah.

Pri (45:32):
So my kid ask that question a lot.

Jamie (45:36):
what my, what my nephew used to say that we always
thought was so funny, he doesn'tsay this anymore.
It was like when he was like twoand three, I think is, when
someone would say something thathe didn't like or like tell him
to do something that he didn'twant to do, he would be, he
would just look at you and go,you are not saying any words,

(45:56):
basically.
I think like, mm, I don'tunderstand you.
Like definitely understood, butyou're not saying words.

Pri (46:04):
Oh, my kid will be like, what did you say?
What did you say?
Or just like, straight up,ignore me.
Like,

Jamie (46:10):
yeah,

Pri (46:11):
yep.
I, I am just talking to a wall.

Jamie (46:14):
my nephew does that.

Rebecca (46:15):
no

Pri (46:15):
yeah.

Rebecca (46:15):
As far as boundaries go, have, have, has, have you
found like doing this work, haveyou found that like you've had
to set different boundaries orhas this helped you like create
better boundaries between, Idon't know, just like at work or
in your personal life, oradvocate for yourself or.
there anything around that?

Pri (46:33):
That's a good question.
I mean, I think early on inbeing a therapist, you have to
get good with your boundaries'cause it's so easy to take work
home.
and that always, like, that getsfuzzy from time to time.
I think it, I think I, I'vefudged all the boundaries on
everything going into the neuroworld because it started with me

(46:53):
learning about myself and melearning about my kid, and then
I just channeled it all, all thelearning and the hyper focus
into my practice.
so I do, I'm sure it drives myhusband nuts when I go into
like, actually as apsychologist, here's the thing
that I know more than you, andlike,

Jamie (47:08):
No, you, you mansplain to your husband as much as you
want.
Brie, please.
We need more women Splaining.
Sorry.

Pri (47:17):
I love that women's planning.
but at the same time, like he isa lovely human and like
appreciates learning.
And so as long as, you know, I'mnot big a dick about it, most of
the time he like is also askinglike, what do I do with this?
Or what does this mean?
Or, debating the differencebetween a tantrum and a meltdown
or things like that.
I think right now my boundariesare pretty fuzzy when it comes

(47:39):
to like all the things I'mlearning and applying at work
and then home.
But in terms of clients likethat, I've, it's like habit at
this point to, not bring toomuch of that stuff home.

Rebecca (47:52):
And I'm sorry, I think I asked a question wrong.
I, I, and I didn't meanboundaries, I meant more just so
you know, like, so instead of myhusband just thinking I'm a
gigantic fucking bitch, now I'mable to say, actually, when you
change the plans, it's anunexpected change and I didn't
like it and now my whole day isruined because I just like being
able to like verbalize andexplain why Yes, sorry.

Pri (48:12):
Yeah, it's fun because, my husband, he's gonna be really
mad when he listens to this.
He definitely has a DHD, butlike vehemently denies it.
but a very different

Jamie (48:21):
You're like, you just like run around the house,
chasing him, being like, I'mdiagnosing you.
You're diagnosed

Pri (48:27):
Well, it was more just like I started doing assessments and
would just like giggle as I wasasking questions because like
all of them fit.
so he was, and he was my Guineapig when I was like learning
some of the new software andstuff.
But, he's a very differentflavor of A DHD than me.
Like I am very combined slashmostly hyperactive.
And he is like inattentivespace.

(48:49):
Cadet, like loses stuff all thetime and zones out all the time
and starts a sentence anddoesn't finish it and that sort
of thing.
But like I've still had to do alot of the explaining because
just'cause we both have a DHADHD doesn't mean, like I said,
we don't have the same flavor ofA DHD.
So the things I struggle withare not the things he struggles
with.
Like he's fine with time.
I live in a time warp and so itdrives him bonkers that I'm

(49:13):
always late.
But now we realize like, oh,time blindness actually is a
thing.
My brain actually does do timedifferently.
And so he has started giving memore reminders, which I
experienced as helpful, of like,okay, we need to leave in an
hour.
I think you should start to getready.
And I'll be like, nah, it's notfine.
And then he'll be like, okay,it's now 45 minutes and you
definitely need to go get ready.
Like, or like, we're gonna leavein like 10 minutes.

(49:34):
Which I think if I hadn't beenso in tune with the fact that
I'm so bad at this, like couldget experienced as infantilizing
or annoying, but because I know

Rebecca (49:45):
you're not my dad.

Pri (49:46):
well, like, I know I'm so bad at it, and I actually find
it helpful.
And he's, he's asked too oflike, is this helpful?
So that's good too.

Jamie (49:54):
my partner

Pri (49:55):
we just like, yeah, sometimes we just need them to
be our, like, our littleexecutive function setter.

Jamie (50:00):
We call it the time police.
Yeah,

Pri (50:02):
I love that.
But yeah, I think I, both likeexplained to him and understand
my reactions a little bitbetter.
Like when I get reallyoverstimulated, this is a good
one.
Like with my kiddos at, by theend of the day, after I've been
working all day and then I'mgetting home and I'm trying to
make dinner and they want the TVon and there's two toddlers that
are like losing their shit.
'cause I just get home fromschool and like my husband's

(50:25):
watching something on his phone,like my brain feels like it's
gonna explode and I.
Lose my temper because I'm likeso overstimulated.
And so now I've got language forthat.
And so I can explain that to himof like, I am just really
overstimulated, so I'm gonna putmy headphones in and I'm gonna
listen to something and I'mgonna not be mom for a little
while.
And so I'll listen to somethingwhile I cook dinner, for
example.
And that way I've drowned outall the other noise and I can

(50:45):
reregulate and I don't have tolike be part of the circus.
and so I both like feel nicer tomyself because I get that I'm
not frustrated because I havezero frustration tolerance.
I'm like frustrated'cause I'moverstimulated.
and then my husband like alsogets it as like, I'm not trying
to tag out on parenting.
I just, like,

Rebecca (51:02):
Right.

Pri (51:02):
my brain is imploding.
which is not, I don't think helike ever gets overstimulated.
so it's definitely a foreignexperience to him.

Jamie (51:11):
Of course not.

Rebecca (51:12):
Having the language is, so one of the biggest fights we
ever had is the first time wewent on vacation and it was to
the Oregon coast, which I'dnever been.
And he was so excited and we're,we're making our way, but like
the Kar trip was taking forever.
And I'm like, what the fuck ishappening?
And he is like, oh, I justthought, we take the scenic
route because he wanted to showme everything and I lost my

(51:35):
fucking mind.
And I was like, we could havebeen there hours ago because we
didn't get from point A to pointB.
And no one told me that we weremeandering.
And it was just like, again,

Jamie (51:44):
Rebecca hates meandering anyway.

Rebecca (51:47):
a giant fucking bitch was act actually like, oh, we
have deviated.
No one told me about this planand this is inefficient.
So like

Pri (51:55):
Just

Rebecca (51:55):
being able to verbalize that now?
Yes.
Yeah.
Is so much better.
And I'm still a bitch, but likea bitch with closed captions.

Pri (52:04):
I.

Jamie (52:06):
I am clipping this, by the way.
I am gonna clip it

Pri (52:08):
that, yeah, for sure.
That's amazing.
yeah, I think, this is like partof my, my last two episodes or
last two little videos onInstagram were about like
relationships.
And I had 1,000,000,001 peoplebeing like, can you do mixed
neurotype?
Can you do a DH, adhd, DH, adhd,can you do a DH, adhd, autism?
Can you do a DH, adhd, A DHD?
And I'm like, okay.
So like some of this stuff isactually universal and like 0.1

(52:29):
is come up with your ownlanguage.
Like figure out thecommunication and like your own
way of naming what's happeningwith each other so that you can
again understand like we havethis ridiculous notion in our
like pop cultural world thatlike, if your partner loves you,
they should intuitively knowwhat you need or they should
know what you're thinking.
And that's just not accurate.

(52:51):
Humans fucking suck at readingminds.
even those of us that aretrained to like really
understand other people.
And so like.
If you can ditch the idea thatlike your partner should
understand and come up with likeshared language around what is
happening for you, it just opensup a whole new like realm of
connection and a realm ofnavigating minus conflict or

(53:12):
conflict without it explodingthat I think like a lot of
couples are missing because theyjust don't have the words, like
you said.

Rebecca (53:20):
Yeah.
Can I tell you the meanest thinghe ever said to me in our entire
marriage in almost 20 years?

Pri (53:25):
Oof.
Okay.

Rebecca (53:26):
I don't think you really care that much about
being organized.

Jamie (53:31):
Actually, hang on.
You said that to me this year.

Rebecca (53:37):
listen, listen.

Jamie (53:43):
Wow.
Rob, I'm on.
Rob, I'm on your side.
Rob, I'm on your side.
I'm on your side, Rob.

Rebecca (53:50):
But it would just, like, I'd leave cabinets open or
like I'd start organizingsomething and just forget.
And it's just like, I, I don'tmean to leave it there, I just
forgot about it.
And I really do care.
And I do try, but like, it'sjust not gonna, it's not gonna
work.
So once we agree that thesethings just aren't gonna happen,
then it's better to be married.

(54:10):
but that was the meanest fuckingthing he's ever said.
And I'm like, I really do care.
And, sorry, Jamie, as, as I'msaying this out loud, I think I
did say that to

Jamie (54:16):
You did say that to me and I was so offended.

Rebecca (54:20):
I know, I'm sorry.

Jamie (54:21):
This is therapy now.
So

Pri (54:22):
it is.
It is a like good sign that themeatus thing your partner has
said to you is, that says a lotabout your relationship.
But yeah, I

Jamie (54:35):
guys are doing great.

Pri (54:36):
doing great.
it's so hard'cause like A DHDand especially A DHD has so many
like contradictions like.
We need, we need structure.
We don't have the executivefunction to create structure.
We need an organization, butlike we need to also see
everything to know that itexists.
So like, like in my house, myhusband and I both like get so

(54:59):
dysregulated when everything islike cluttered and disastrous
because two toddlers, two A DHDand also like I can tell you
what he ate for every meal andwhere he ate it because like the
peanut butter and the jelly andthe bread are out where he made
the sandwiches for the kids andlike the coffee beans are still
like out from when he made thecoffee and the coffee cup is

(55:19):
wherever he sat and drank thecoffee.
And it's just because like outtasight outta mind and like
everything is always out.
so it's immediately verycluttered.
And so it's this horrible mix oflike, I really want it to be
organized and.
Clear and like not cluttered.
And also when I do that, Iforget everything.
And so I just need to leavethings out or I forget to put

(55:41):
them away.
And so it just is like aconstant, yo-yo

Rebecca (55:45):
100%.

Jamie (55:46):
I don't know.
It sounds like, somebody'sdrinking a lot of coffee, to
compensate for undiagnosed ADHD,

Pri (55:53):
somebody's drinking a lot of coffee.

Jamie (55:56):
Mr.
Dr.
Pre.

Pri (55:58):
Yes.

Rebecca (55:59):
I don't, I haven't heard a lot of people talk about
like, those contraindicationswithin like a DH, ADHD or
autism.
Like I don't hear that a lot,like those two things being at,
at odds with, but stillexisting.
Like, that's not something I seecovered a lot at all actually.

Pri (56:14):
Yeah.
I think you're,

Rebecca (56:15):
it up.

Pri (56:16):
I think you're totally right, especially if like for
Audi ADHDers, like the autisticside of you and the A DH ADHD
side of you are often likediametrically opposed.
And that can be really hard to,to navigate like, Wanting
spontaneity, but also needinglike a plan to feel regulated
and like those two being at oddsor like both seeking and
avoiding stimulation at the sametime, or like really wanting to

(56:38):
connect with people socially,but then also being utterly
drained by it.
And so it's a lot of likebouncing act between, between
those two things.
And yeah, even with an A DH,adhd, like we know what we need
and we often rebel against whatwe need, or like, we, like
cannot make the thing that weneed, but we know that we need
it.
And so it just feels like veryout of reach.

(56:59):
And so I think like, yeah, Ithink all of neuro divergence is
full.
Those kinds of

Rebecca (57:03):
And if you're not diagnosed, going to a
psychiatrist without thediagnosis, who's not well versed
in this, leads to so manydiagnoses of like, you must be
depressed or anxious orwhatever.

Pri (57:14):
bipolar.
Bipolar or

Rebecca (57:15):
yet that's a huge one.

Pri (57:17):
Yeah.

Rebecca (57:18):
Yes.
And it's like, then you feelcrazy and then you're not,
you're just at odds with yourown brain and no one's taught
you how to deal with it, whichnot to like market your own, Of
course, but like that's whypeople should take it because

Jamie (57:34):
that's what we're here for.
What do you mean?

Pri (57:36):
feel free to market.
That's

Jamie (57:37):
Yeah.

Pri (57:39):
but especially like, hang on, I lost my thought.
I just did a u

Jamie (57:45):
Ha.
Now it's a you,

Rebecca (57:46):
an US you did an, you did an US pree.

Pri (57:49):
I did an us I just did an us fuck.
What were we saying?

Jamie (57:53):
I love that.

Rebecca (57:55):
diametrically opposed teaching people.
Bipolar

Pri (58:00):
oh yeah, the misdiagnoses, another like misdiagnosis that
kills me is like people thatdon't understand the difference
between burnout and depression,especially autistic burnout and
depression.
'cause neurodivergent burnoutis.
Is more all encompassing andmore systemic than neurotypical
burnout.
And then autistic burnout looksa lot like depression, but needs
something polar opposite to whatdepression needs.

(58:22):
And so many people, myselfincluded before I was better
educated, like accidentally doharm because like the
recommendations or thetreatments or whatever are
actually the polar opposite ofwhat that person needs to get
out of burnout.
So like with depression,recommendation number one is
behavioral activation.

Rebecca (58:38):
Yep.

Pri (58:39):
With autistic burnout, like that will just kick you further
into burnout.
Like what you actually need isprobably to do less and see less
people and not connect for alittle while and reset.
And if you don't understand thedifference between the two, like
that throws so many people offand like, yeah, so many people
that come to me for assessmenthave collected a laundry list of

(58:59):
diagnoses over the years frompeople that like couldn't, use
Occam's razor and find like thecommon explanation that accounts
for all, all the differentdiagnoses.

Rebecca (59:10):
plus those screeners too that you take.
it's gonna look like, yeah, I'mdepressed as shit, but not
really.
But like the screeners thatyou're given at the doctor's
office,

Pri (59:18):
Yeah, I'm

Rebecca (59:18):
you fill them out,

Pri (59:19):
I can't get out of bed, like, yep.

Rebecca (59:22):
Right.
No, it's not depression, butlike there's no differentiating.
So yeah, having to strugglethrough that and like try to
explain is just.

Jamie (59:32):
But all of that is like linked in your brain.
Correct.
So like, get depression,anxiety.
A

Pri (59:39):
Yeah.
they all like co-occur often andit's, I, and this is where like
working with somebody whoactually like knows what they're
talking about is so helpful oflike teasing apart like what
came first or like what's thefirst

Jamie (59:53):
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Pri (59:58):
thank you.
But yeah, I mean the, the.
Like for me, like I think I wasdiagnosed, like having
generalized anxiety and it neverquite like, felt like it hit all
the, like it didn't quite feelright'cause I didn't really
think I was generally an anxiousperson.
I was just like veryoverwhelmed.
And then once I realized it wasthe A DHD, like treating the A

(01:00:20):
DH adhd, like drasticallyreduced the anxiety.
And so that's why it kills mewhen there are providers that
say like, oh, I can't diagnoseyou with a DH ADHD'cause you're
anxious and you gotta controlyour anxiety first.
And I'm like, are you fuckingkidding me?
Like, how are you spo how areyou supposed to do that without
treating the A DH ADHD orwithout diagnosing it?
and so like understanding thekind of like the chain there and
also understanding that it canco-occur, it is really normative

(01:00:44):
and expected and adaptive to beanxious when the world feels
overstimulating to you orunpredictable to you.
when you can't make sense oflike other people's behaviors or
they can't make sense of yours,you understand them, they can't
understand you, of course you'resocially anxious like it would
be.
Ridiculous not to be.
and so like, kind of like, yeah,if you meet, you can meet

(01:01:04):
criteria for all thesediagnoses, but like, is that
actually a useful way of lookingat it or is there something else
that is like a more holisticunderstanding of that person
that is more useful?
I

Jamie (01:01:14):
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
I went, it was, it was a night.
What'd you say?
Sorry.

Pri (01:01:22):
I said mic drop.
It just went silent.

Jamie (01:01:24):
Yeah, just silence.
yeah, I know.
Now I'm like losing my train ofthought.
You guys.
Belinda, Rebecca over here.
Just kidding.

Pri (01:01:32):
I'm sorry, Rebecca.

Rebecca (01:01:34):
No, that's okay.
Is there anything else, like isthere anything we haven't
covered that like you reallywanna drive home or that you
don't think people are hearingenough of?
Because I know we've, we'vetalked a lot around, but is
there anything that we, wereally didn't

Pri (01:01:48):
I,

Rebecca (01:01:48):
you think people need to be hearing?

Pri (01:01:50):
I think at the heart of it, and I know this is like so
cheesy, and I literally say thisevery.
Call of mine with my program,like if you're neurodivergent,
you are not broken, you are notless than, you are not
deficient.
you just have a differentoperating system.
We're talking like Mac andwindows.
And so once you understand youroperating system and you
understand how to work within itand you understand what to

(01:02:11):
advocate for to make it work,like there is nothing wrong with
you.
You've just been trying to liveaccording to a different os.
and so I, I don't think people,I think people are getting
better about talking about that,and there's like a growing
collection of likeneurodiversity affirming
psychologists and med providersand coaches and such.
But, if you're working withsomebody who's telling you like,

(01:02:33):
go learn social skills, orHere's how to mask when you
aren't asking for that, orsomebody who's telling you that
like, you are doomed on X, Y, Z.
Like drop that shit because

Jamie (01:02:45):
Find someone

Pri (01:02:46):
so much.
Yeah, like there's so muchawesomeness in Neurodivergence
and there's a lot of shit thatmakes it really hard.
Like I'm not, teamNeurodivergence is a superpower.
because it's still disabling.
Like we still live in a worldthat is designed for
neurotypicals and therefore westruggle.
But like, if you can design yourworld to work better for you, I
don't think you'll struggle asmuch.
so giving yourself permission todo that, to like meet yourself

(01:03:07):
where you actually are and torecognize that that doesn't mean
there's anything wrong with you,I think is really important.

Rebecca (01:03:13):
Yeah.

Jamie (01:03:15):
Second mic drop.

Rebecca (01:03:16):
I think my last, my last question is what is your,
what is your A DHD go-to food.

Pri (01:03:23):
Ooh, what is my go-to food?
Cold stone.
Ice cream.
I ate that.
I ate that so much that thepeople there now start laughing
when I walk in'cause it justopened.

Rebecca (01:03:35):
own song.

Pri (01:03:37):
They, I had just opened like near my house'cause it used
to be further away.
And when I was in high school, Iwent so often that when I went
off to college and I came backfor my first break, they were
like, where have you been?
Are you okay?
so

Jamie (01:03:48):
were so worried about

Pri (01:03:49):
right about you.
So it's probably cold stone icecream.

Rebecca (01:03:54):
that's a good one.

Pri (01:03:55):
what else do I like

Jamie (01:03:57):
Get a cold.
You gotta get a Cold Stonepartnership now.
You gotta

Pri (01:04:00):
I, I probably should.
I wonder if they do those

Jamie (01:04:03):
We're trying to get, Uncrustables and Alaska
Airlines.

Pri (01:04:07):
Ooh, that would be a good one.
That would be a useful one.

Rebecca (01:04:11):
But really, it's just like a grab and go, like a grab.
Oh, and then those Costco cheeseand fruit and nut packs too that
you just grab and like,

Jamie (01:04:18):
yeah.

Pri (01:04:18):
in my fridge.

Rebecca (01:04:20):
yep.

Pri (01:04:20):
I'm trying to think what else is, say right now all the
snacks in my house are kiddosnacks.
because my kids like live onsnacks.

Jamie (01:04:26):
Mm-hmm.

Pri (01:04:27):
them to eat real food.

Jamie (01:04:28):
We, Rebecca and I eat like toddler, like we eat like
toddlers most of the time.
I,

Pri (01:04:32):
There's a lot of peanut butter in my house.
Like that is like always a safefood.

Jamie (01:04:36):
mm-hmm.

Pri (01:04:37):
Yeah.

Rebecca (01:04:39):
when they really started doing this, I don't,
they started doing like thewhole girl dinner trend on, on
social media and I was offended'cause I was like, that's not
girl dinner.
That's literally what I eat

Pri (01:04:49):
dinner

Jamie (01:04:49):
That's

Rebecca (01:04:50):
It's

Jamie (01:04:50):
also, that's toddler dinner.

Pri (01:04:52):
Toddler

Rebecca (01:04:52):
toddler dinner.

Pri (01:04:53):
We also have a lot of craft mac and cheese and my husband
and I definitely will take aserving when we make it for the
kids.
'cause that's also a safe foodin our house.

Jamie (01:05:03):
Have you

Rebecca (01:05:04):
Having kids was the best thing.
Oh, sorry.
I'll just say as for like pickyeaters and, and a DHD eaters
kids, having kids is the bestthing.
'cause it's just like snacks allthe time and easy, easy things
to eat.
It's the best.

Pri (01:05:17):
yeah, and you like go through cycles of like, I will
eat this one thing forever andthen like, then I forget it
exists and I moved on to my nextlist.
Like there was like a chunk oftime where it, there is this
like snack mix at Costco thathas like.
Peanuts and mini chocolatepeanut butter cups and chocolate
chips and peanut butter chipsand pretzels.
Like it was so good and I boughtit so many times.

(01:05:39):
Like then I think I burnedmyself out on it.
'cause I just like went throughso many Costco containers of
this stuff.

Jamie (01:05:43):
then you get, then you get like sick about, like, about
it too.
I go through that a lot.
Like, I can't remember.
Did you, did a, did you do a,why the fuck is this so hard on,
on food and eating?
I can't remember.

Pri (01:05:57):
I did it on meal planning, but I didn't do it on like other
parts

Jamie (01:06:02):
I get.

Pri (01:06:03):
there's a lot of parts of food.

Jamie (01:06:04):
I hyperfocus on a food and that's what I'll do.
I'll just like eat it and thatlike, even if it's like
literally like I got takeoutfrom this place and I got pod
Thai here, and it was like,perfect, then I'll like keep
getting that pod tie like weekafter week until I like look at
it and I'm like, Ugh, I couldn'tpossibly,

Pri (01:06:21):
There is a sushi place here.
That is like a hole in the wallsushi place.
I stumbled upon my first time,like outta my first office and I
also know them by name'cause I'mthere so often.
But I actually was eating thereso much'cause they have this
spicy tuna of sushi bowl that isjust so good.
that I had to like look up likehow much tuna can you eat before

(01:06:41):
you get mercury poisoning?
Because I was going there sooften, it was in my building and
now it's like two buildings overand it's delicious.
And like the owners are lovelyhumans.
And now like I usually orderonline and pick it up'cause I'm
like in a rush.
But if I forget to order online,like I walk in and they're like,
your usual pre, they'll be like,yes, please.

(01:07:02):
So

Jamie (01:07:02):
Aw,

Pri (01:07:03):
I haven't burned out on that yet.
I'm very grateful because I willbe sad if I burn out on that.

Rebecca (01:07:07):
I love that.
No, I love

Pri (01:07:09):
Yeah, I'm definitely a, like, I'm a food person so I eat
according to my mood, but I eata variety.
I.

Jamie (01:07:15):
yeah, I am too, but like, I just, I guess I'm a picky
eater, but it's that thing whereI just get very focused on
something and it has to be this,and then in the same vein or in
the other vein, I get, superburnt out on it and like
couldn't possibly stand it.
And then it's like hard for meto figure out what to eat

(01:07:36):
because like sometimeseverything sounds bad, but I
think that's also like a DHDmeds for me does that

Rebecca (01:07:41):
Yeah, but then you call me and I tell you what to eat
and then you're good.

Pri (01:07:46):
I definitely eat based on my mood and I have been known to
cry if a meal was not what Iwanted it to be.
So

Rebecca (01:07:53):
Oh, for sure.

Jamie (01:07:56):
like your expectations and then it's,

Pri (01:07:58):
like, you know what you were craving and it didn't live
up.
Oof, devastating.
My husband

Rebecca (01:08:03):
Crying over food.

Pri (01:08:05):
Yeah.
Like he could not care less ifit's got the right calorie
content.
He's fine.
When I.
Started dating him.
He would eat like plain quinoa,plain black beans and like paste
salsa.
And that was his like regularmeal.
And he

Jamie (01:08:17):
Pace,

Pri (01:08:17):
care at all.

Jamie (01:08:19):
pace, salsa.

Pri (01:08:21):
And that was it.
Like that was, it was unseasonedeverything and salsa.
And I was like, what is this?
And he could like not wrap hishead around the fact that like I
would get teary over not havingthe right meal.
Like it was just such a foreignworld for him.
But now he knows.

Rebecca (01:08:36):
that's boy dinner.
That's, we don't, that's, boy,we don't, we don't eat boy
dinner.
That's disgusting.

Pri (01:08:42):
Yeah.
There's no part of me that wantsthat.

Rebecca (01:08:46):
Genuinely.
Thank you so much for cominghere.
Like, I, I so appreciate youtaking the time to just answer
all of our many, many questions.
it's nice to have somebody who'sknows what she's talking about
and

Pri (01:08:58):
Thank you.

Rebecca (01:08:59):
in this.
We really appreciate it.

Pri (01:09:00):
I had so much fun chatting with you guys.
It's been fun getting to knowyou through all the like
planning and stuff.

Jamie (01:09:05):
Yeah.

Pri (01:09:05):
but yeah, no, this is fun.

Jamie (01:09:07):
we like, honestly, we always tell our guests too,
like, we should have you back onsometime.
Like, we would love to.

Rebecca (01:09:12):
Yeah.

Pri (01:09:13):
tell me when.

Rebecca (01:09:14):
When is your next coaching?
when is your next coachingcohort?
Cohort start, sorry.

Pri (01:09:19):
This is is a great question.
I am thinking it'll be latesummer for the ni next cohort.
I am starting to like, collect,collect names on a wait list,
for early enrollment.
I might be cooking up somethingelse that I'll release before
then, so that's why the timingis question mark.
But for sure, it'll be eitherlike late July or sometime in
August I think that the nextcohort runs.

Jamie (01:09:41):
Okay, cool.
And

Pri (01:09:42):
So stay tuned.
Follow me on the things and

Jamie (01:09:44):
yeah, I do you, I, I know like we have it listed and
everything, but do you wannatalk about where people can
follow you and find you and

Pri (01:09:53):
Yeah.
So I am on Instagram and verynewly on TikTok as in as of this
week as at Asha, coach, Ashacoach.
Asha coaching.com is where youcan find the stuff about working
with me individually or in thegroup coaching program.
you can also sign up for theemail list there so you get all
the updates.
I promise I don't spam you withtoo much salesy stuff.
And then asha mh.com is for mytherapy practice, Asha Mental

(01:10:15):
Health.
So if you're looking forassessment like adult a DH, ADHD
or autism assessment, that'swhere you would go cadet.

Jamie (01:10:21):
Yeah.
You hear that guys, everybody inchat who's like, diagnose me.
That's where you go.

Pri (01:10:27):
Yeah.
And my email for both of thoseis Priyanka at and then ASHA
Coaching or Asha?
Mh.
feel free to email me.
I love chatting with people, soYeah.

Rebecca (01:10:36):
And we'll make sure to put all your info in the show
notes as well.

Jamie (01:10:39):
sure.
Awesome.

Rebecca (01:10:42):
yeah.

Jamie (01:10:43):
thank you Pree so much for being here.
yeah, I just like, we, we alsohave really enjoyed like getting
to know you and just honestlylike hanging out with you and
talking with you.
So thank you.

Pri (01:10:52):
yeah.
It's been super fun.

Jamie (01:10:54):
yeah.
And thanks to everybody forbeing here for the live stream.
we are, oh, we are, a littlelate on posting last week's
episode.
there's just some audio

Rebecca (01:11:04):
Hold on a minute.
Hold on a minute.
No, I had COVID, I messed up.
I will get it

Jamie (01:11:09):
you did not mess up.
We're

Rebecca (01:11:11):
Oh, sorry.
I'm just saying we're havingaudio issues, but I am on it.

Jamie (01:11:15):
It's not Rebecca's

Rebecca (01:11:16):
it is.
I promise it's coming.
I'll take it.
It's fine.

Pri (01:11:18):
but also you have COVID,

Rebecca (01:11:19):
the fault.

Pri (01:11:20):
think you're allowed to take care of yourself.

Jamie (01:11:22):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, it's not your fault.
Yeah.
I was just letting everybodyknow if they were like, where's
last week's episode?
So it's coming.
And then, this episode, will belive, Tuesday next week, as
well.
So thank you everybody.
Thank you again pre and, we'llsee you all next week.
See you burnouts next week.

Rebecca (01:11:41):
week.

Pri (01:11:42):
Yeah.
See

Rebecca (01:11:42):
Have a great rest of the week.
Bye.

Jamie (01:11:44):
Bye.

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