September 6, 2023 • 52 mins
What if the tumultuous journey of divorce could be not just a painful ending, but a profound opportunity for self-discovery and growth? This is the transformative perspective that our guest, the accomplished attorney turned life coach, Meagan Norris passionately shares. Meagan takes us on a deeply personal journey, from her own experience with divorce, through her struggles with anxiety, to the realization of her calling to empower women, especially those navigating through the complex process of divorce.
Could anxiety be viewed as a sign of a higher calling, rather than a problem to be fixed? Meagan urges us to consider this possibility, as she shares her own moment of clarity that led her from being a divorce coach to a holistic life coach. It's a thought-provoking exploration of how personal growth can sometimes create tensions in our relationships, and how divorce can be a symptom of not following our authentic life path. Meagan shares practical tips on how to stay present during these challenging times, trust the transformation process and recognize when it's time to seek professional support.
Retreat, reflect, reorient – the 3 R's that our conversation explores in the final segment. We also touch upon the creative process of writing a book, the importance of staying connected with loved ones during times of upheaval and the power of trusting your intuition. Meagan 's story, insights, and holistic approach offer a much-needed perspective on navigating change, embracing authenticity, and creating a fulfilling life post-divorce. Join us for this enlightening conversation that promises to inspire and empower.
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Amber Annette (00:02):
Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the
show that helps you ignite yoursoul's purpose, turn up your
creativity and activate salesand marketing magic.
I'm your host, amber Annette,and I'm thrilled to be here with
you today to explore the depthof what it means to be a woman
in business.
I believe that business is morethan just making money.
It's about making a differenceand making your mark.
(00:24):
So sit back, get present andlet's dive in and uncover the
secrets to building a businesswith soul, purpose and magic.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Business Psychic.
I'm Amber Annette, your host,and today's episode is
(00:46):
definitely coming straight fromthe heart.
I am here with Megan Norris.
She is an attorney andcertified life coach.
She works with women who arehigh-achieving and who want to
feel like they are the CEOs oftheir divorce.
She helps them create a lifethat is so good it doesn't make
(01:08):
sense afterwards.
I am so excited to gosh be inthis conversation with you Of
course, right now it's August8th and to be super transparent,
like not only am I in themiddle of a divorce, but I have
so many friends and know so manyother women.
(01:29):
I mean, this just feels likesuch a hot topic right now.
It is top of mind for me andI'm honored to have you here,
megan, welcome, welcome.
Meagan Norris (01:39):
Oh, thanks, Amber .
I'm really excited to see howthis conversation unfolds.
Amber Annette (01:45):
Yeah, I mean, let's just kind of start with
your story.
So you're an attorney and acertified life coach, so how did
you start to blend the two, tobecome I mean, do you call
yourself a divorce coach?
Meagan Norris (02:02):
I used to.
When I say used to, I mean likea year ago.
Okay, I was a divorce coach.
Right Now, I would say I'm moreof a life coach, and divorces
just happens to be part of thestory for most of my clients.
And it was not a grand plan ora master mind move to end up
(02:26):
here.
It just happened veryauthentically and almost feels
like it happened behind my back,like the universe was like well
, we're working for you and then, surprise, here's the big
reveal.
So I had a law degree and Ipracticed until 2010,.
And then I had my first baby,and my husband at the time
(02:49):
worked a lot and so did I, and Ihated practicing law.
I mean, really hated it.
I didn't have any tools tomanage my anxiety.
I was just a hot mess expressall of the time, and I was so
excited to be a mom.
I said I'm going to stay home,I will raise this baby, you
don't have to change your workhours.
And I became a stay at home momand three kids later, 2014,
(03:15):
2015, I started feeling calledto do something and knew that my
own anxiety that seemed to beincreasing as the years went on
was the path to that, if I couldfigure out what was happening
with my anxiety and fix myself.
(03:35):
Right at the time I was likethere's something wrong with me.
Then I will be able to use thatto help other moms.
And I found life coaching veryserendipitously.
It's a really fun story.
It was accidental.
I just stumbled upon thispodcast and somebody said did
you know that you're not takingaction because of how you feel?
(03:56):
Like your feelings are such abig part of this?
And it blew my mind and Ijumped immediately into life
coaching, fell in love with it,got certified and was trying to
start this business.
And meanwhile my marriage issort of reaching this peak
(04:19):
dysfunction.
But we're in therapy and we'redoing all the things and I'm
really focused there too, and mybusiness was just going nowhere
.
I could not get traction in itand I finally realized oh, I
think I'm trying to createfinancial security so that I
feel safe to leave this marriage, but that's not actually going
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to be possible until I admitthat I don't want to be in this
marriage and actually leave it.
So I told him I wanted adivorce.
We separated, we went throughthe divorce process and
afterwards I was working with acoach because I was still frozen
after my divorce.
Now I understand this a lotbetter because it happens all
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the time, but I was in thispattern of waiting for the next
crisis and so I was just notdoing anything.
I also didn't get a job.
I was like I know that I'mgoing to make this coaching
business work, so I'm not goingto get a job and I'm just going
to wait and hold space formyself.
And after my divorce, I'm goingto start to go to work in my
coaching business.
(05:22):
And when I noticed I was frozenand not taking action, I hired a
coach and I told her my storyof how the divorce had gone and
she just stopped theconversation and said I'm so
sorry, wait a minute, what ishappening?
How did you do that?
How are you doing this?
Why aren't you coaching otherwomen on this?
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Because this story isunbelievable.
And I took 24 hours and I knewthat not only did what she said
made sense to me, but I feltcalled to it and it aligned and
it was the deeper work I'd beenlooking for.
But I put my finger on beforeand woke up the next day, made a
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post about helping womenthrough divorce.
That was in March of last year,so 2022.
And now, 18 months later, Ihave a very successful coaching
business and I really love thework.
I'm obsessed with my clientsand the transformation that's
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available to us through divorceand I'm so grateful.
Amber Annette (06:32):
I'm not even your client, and I'm obsessed with
you.
Meagan Norris (06:36):
I love it, thank you.
Amber Annette (06:38):
Yeah, I love it, I think, every single post.
So I'm also not on social mediavery often you might look like
it is, but I'm a little bit likemy time in social media and I
follow, I think, every singlepost that you put out.
It just is inspirational and Imean it's not just about divorce
, it's just about being anempowered woman and I was so
(07:00):
drawn to part of your taglinewhere you're saying I hope women
be the CEOs of their divorce,but I also think you help them
be the CEOs of their life.
It's not just divorce.
I mean, divorce is a symptom ofus not following the life path
that we're meant to be living.
In my opinion, in my experienceand in my intuition, that
(07:23):
divorce is just a symptom.
It's the symptom of nothonoring and following the
calling for me.
Yes, and I think there'ssomething really important for
our audience to hear in thiswhen you're talking about having
anxiety, and there is somethingthat I strongly believe and
(07:45):
that probably goes against a lotof different mental health
statistics and reports andexperts and doctors, and I don't
give a shit because I trustwhat the universe shows me and
tells me more than I trustanything else on this planet and
I really, truly honestly knowand believe in my heart and in
my soul that when we, especiallyas women I'm sure men go
(08:07):
through this too, but when we,as women, have panic attacks, it
is actually a purpose attack.
It is your purpose trying toget through to you.
It is a higher calling.
It is our bodies being sogloriously divinely designed
that it is throwing red flags tous that we are out of alignment
(08:31):
with why we came here.
It is the biggest to me, notred flag, but it is actually a
green flag.
It is a green flag that yourcalling is calling.
I love that you started thisconversation out, because we
haven't even talked about thisat all before.
This is our first time actuallymeeting and talking and it's
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such that, calling that momentof man, I know I'm supposed to
be doing something different.
I know there's something bigger, grander, greater.
Every single human being onthis planet experiences a moment
like that.
And so tell me, let's go backto that.
Like what would you say thatwas?
(09:14):
Like a defining moment for you,a memory, like honoring the
calling.
How do you do it?
Meagan Norris (09:22):
I think first you have to acknowledge that the
anxiety is trying to tell yousomething instead of just trying
to fix the anxiety.
Yes, because what happens is weget caught in this loop where
we're trying to convinceourselves that we believe a lie,
like I really want thismarriage to work.
(09:43):
No, I was trying, you shouldn'thave to convince yourself.
No, I couldn't.
Like I was trying to.
I was using the word coach, butI was trying to convince my
brains like if I just work hardenough on me, then I can be okay
with this and not need him tochange or want him to change.
(10:06):
And the more I try to do that,the bigger the anxiety got.
Amber Annette (10:11):
And let me ask you a question about that, as
you're trying to work onyourself, making transformations
and you were actually becominga version of you, and do you
think that those changes causedan either bigger disconnect
between you and your partner?
Meagan Norris (10:34):
Yes, but I didn't realize that that what was
happening at the time?
Yeah, it wasn't until and ittook a good two, two and a half
years for me to arrive at themoment where I realized and it
was this instantaneous, likebreakthrough I had where I
realized, oh, this isn't abouthim, this is about me.
(10:59):
And as soon as I opened up tothat truth, it was like what?
I don't want to do this anymore.
This mysterious anxiety shiftedand I won't say I just felt
rainbows and butterflies all ofa sudden, but it was a very
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purposeful nervousness orexcitement, or anticipation of
the conversation and how thedivorce would unfold.
But that's very different fromthe anxiety, this sort of vague,
gray anxiety.
Amber Annette (11:34):
I was feeling the unknown.
Yes, the void of the unknown, Ithink, is what and I mean this
is just in my experience and inmy opinion as a coach for the
last 10 years whether it's goinginto the unknown of a divorce,
the unknown of starting abusiness or putting it is the
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unknown that keeps us fromtaking action, because, to our
mind, unknown is unsafe.
I say it all the time on here,like you have to program your
mind to take that action fromthat new place of vision,
because at least the visionfeels known.
And when you don't have that,when you don't claim the vision,
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is, in my opinion, where thatgray, the gray, the void really
starts to kick in.
So do you, when you think aboutyourself, your own journey,
your clients, do you help themreally get a vision for what
their new life looks like?
(12:38):
Tell me about the envisioningprocess in this.
Meagan Norris (12:43):
Yes, I do help them because all the work I do
with them is anchored in thevision.
You have to have an idea ofwhere you want to go.
Otherwise, like you said, yourbrain doesn't want you to move
forward.
And it's so creative.
Oh, I'm stuck.
I'm not sure I feel guilty.
Amber Annette (13:02):
I'm just indecisive.
Meagan Norris (13:04):
It's a problem for my childhood, it's a problem
with my belief and not myself.
We come up with all these reallycreative ideas that really just
keep us confused and stuck inthe same cycle.
But when you have that visionand you can anchor into it and
say, okay, it's uncomfortable tomove forward towards this.
But if I believe it's possible,that it's coming, I can bring
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this fear with me and trust thatI am going to create this
outcome or that I'm going toco-create it with the universe.
And it's not so much aboutactually creating that vision.
It's about having, like yousaid, something to anchor into
as you move through a processwith a lot of unknown variables,
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with another human and maybelawyers or mediators or family
or whatever else is involvedyour kids, if you have them.
It helps anchor you and groundyou in today so that you can
make informed, intentionalchoices.
But the vision's probably goingto evolve and it's going to
shift and change as you grow andmove through the process and
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it's probably going to be evenbetter than you can comprehend
right now.
Amber Annette (14:20):
Yeah, and with your current clients and with
the industry and with everythingwe're kind of seeing in like
social media.
I'm just curious, like I readsomewhere that and I don't have
the exact statistic or the exactlike I'm sure somebody will
come at me for like please quoteyour source.
I don't remember.
(14:41):
My source is probably TikTok,let's be honest, but I keep
seeing stuff where it's calledlike we're in the era of the
great divorce, where and I thinkthe number was the age of women
between I believe it was like35 and 47 is the highest it's
(15:02):
ever been and the lowestremarriage rate for those same
women ever.
And so I'm just curious, youknow, and again like knowing
that most likely a lot of thatis coming from from TikTok and
from, but I mean, I've seen alot around this like great
divorce.
What do you think is happeningon maybe the level of the
(15:30):
collective let's just go thatwhere women are feeling like
this is their best option, likethis is the best plan, the best
path, like why do you think thisis happening right now?
Meagan Norris (15:43):
I think my best guess I hadn't heard that great
divorce term.
I guess that makes sense, but Ithink it's probably a
combination of several factors,probably kicking off what, like
you could probably trace it backto, like the 2016 election,
right.
And then we have the pandemic,where women are at home and
(16:05):
we're also working, but we'realso now homeschooling or we're
you know whatever.
However, that life, right.
And then we also, post pandemic, have this.
What I feel like and sense is acollective raising of our
vibration and, at least for me,social media, like the
(16:26):
educational quality and thespiritual guidance and the
coaching and the psychologistswho are sharing their knowledge
and, informationally, we're justbecoming.
We're not smarter, but we'remore connected to our truth and
our intuition, and we're seeingpeople give us permission to
(16:50):
listen to that and I think, aswe, it's not so much oh, this is
my best option, but oh, this iswhat I actually want and I have
, and I can understand it on anintellectual level, but I can
also feel it emotionally andI've got people telling me that
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it's okay for me to own thattruth and I'm gonna be okay
afterwards.
Amber Annette (17:17):
Yeah, you're right, the combination of kind
of all of those.
Just you know, like there wasgonna be this like huge wave of
babies coming.
You know, people stuck at hometogether.
I think there was kind of likethat common like thought and
conception that like more babieswere gonna come because of
COVID, when in reality thisgreat divorce era is coming as a
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result of it.
And it does make me wonder, likehow much is social media
playing into that?
You know, when you talk aboutbeing able to be connected, I
mean we are.
I mean we pick up our phone andwe're instantly connected to
content and resources andcourses and coaches and
community that can be goingthrough the exact same, you know
(18:04):
the exact same situation thatwe're going to and instantly can
just feel comforting.
And I'm just curious, you know,how can you stay true to your
like authentic self during thattime when there is so much out
there Like you can get in likeconsumption overload.
You know, to the point where Imean some of the things I was
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researching and looking up, Iwas like I can't even I couldn't
even keep my own thoughtsstraight anymore of like what
was real for me and what Iactually wanted, or was it based
off of something I read orheard or watched?
So how do you really stay trueto your authentic self during
this, you know, during this time?
Meagan Norris (18:42):
Okay, I have a couple of tips because this is a
real thing.
When you start to leak energyaround your research or your
consumption of information,regardless of the source podcast
, audio books, social media,other people's opinions it
becomes really important becauseI do think there's a tipping
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right.
There's this point, as you'reapproaching the divorce, where
your brain just wants tounderstand and you're reading
and you're researching to createsome sense of safety, but then
it starts to tip and it becomesthe experience that's draining,
like you just described, whereit just becomes overload and
overwhelming and now you can'teven really tell what your truth
(19:27):
is and what you think aboutanyone thing and you start to
outsource it to other things andother people.
So, number one curate the hellout of everything you consume
from doomsday news reports,stock market if you're doing
like stock market stuff orpolitical stuff, cut it out.
That would be my recommendation.
(19:48):
And then curate any social mediafeeds that you have to align
with the highest version ofyourself, whether that's just
personal development and cuttingout all the divorce stuff,
which is what I ended up doing,or just curating specific
leaders and making it a placewhere you go and you feel
(20:09):
lighter and you enjoy it, butyou really start to cut down on
what you're consuming and then Ireally think there's value in
finding some kind of one-on-onesupport or maybe small group
support, although even thenyou're having there's so much
other noise there can be in agroup but a therapist, a coach,
(20:32):
a mentor, even a good friend,somebody who will help you
validate right, validate howyou're feeling, but then also
reflect back to you your truthor your thought errors, or
remind you of your vision,because that support really
helps you move forwardefficiently.
(20:54):
Not necessarily we need to go sofast because we don't, but we
can move through it efficientlyand learn how to use all of that
juicy emotional fuel that thedivorce is creating, the guilt,
the grief, resentment all ofthat fuel is really sacred and
you can use that fuel to createa life that's so good it doesn't
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make sense and your bestpossible divorce outcome.
But you have to know how to dothat and I think part of that is
curating the information comingin and being very selective
with who you share yourexperience with and get support
from.
Amber Annette (21:34):
So good, thank you.
Meagan Norris (21:36):
Welcome.
Amber Annette (21:38):
So I'm curious when you start to go down this
path and maybe even you reach apoint where the marriage is
complete divorce when you'reworking with women that maybe
that's the stage that they're atAre they ever regretting their
decisions?
Are you ever seeing that womenare regretting the choice to get
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a divorce?
Meagan Norris (22:06):
No, but what I do see is women paralyzed by the
fear that they might.
What if I do regret this, downthe road and my answer to that
is always so.
What if you do?
The emotion of regret, feelingregret, is just a vibration in
your body.
And why are we so afraid offeeling a vibration in our body?
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And when we can neutralize it alittle bit that way and put it
into perspective, they canusually take a deep breath and
say, okay, well, I can trustmyself to handle some regret.
And I think there's also thisunderlying question of like, but
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what if he is the one?
What if he is the one?
And I'm messing this up, and Imean my answer is always well,
what if he is?
If we really believe what's forus, can't miss us and the
universe always has our back andall of those comforting mantras
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that we want to say toourselves, then if he's the one,
then you're going to come backtogether in some way, but this
is what you want right now.
So why don't we honor that andsee what happens and trust
yourself to handle whatever youfeel in the future when you feel
it, instead of feeling terribleahead of time?
Amber Annette (23:33):
And I think that works in any situation, not just
if you're going through adivorce but just, am I making
the wrong choice?
I mean, I think as women, wespend way too much time in that
space of am I doing the rightthing?
Is this the right door for me?
What if?
What if?
What?
If you know we can love, youknow into a state of being
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paralyzed.
Meagan Norris (23:57):
Yes, and how do you know?
How do you know when it's right?
How are you going to decidethat there's no measure outside
of you?
Amber Annette (24:05):
Yeah, and I think it's like that's where having
your intuition and being sostrongly connected to it and
knowing and having you knownothing more powerful than your
inner knowing, how do you workwith your clients to like honor
that and trust that and feelthat Like?
Meagan Norris (24:27):
first, once we uncover it right, and it's
really just a question of whatis it that I want, and I always
like to qualify that with if youknew everything was going to be
okay either way, if you kneweveryone was going to be okay
either way, living their bestlife.
What is it that you want?
What is that, what is thatknowing?
(24:49):
And once we've identified it, Ithink it's really helpful to
have somebody reflect it back toyou, to for someone to say and
remind you you know, you justget to follow that desire, that
knowing, that intuition, justbecause you want to, you have
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permission to do that Right.
And because we forget and Idon't know if that's just human
nature or a product of ourconditioning or the culture that
we live in, it doesn't reallymatter it seems to be really
powerful and I know it is for meto have someone say, just so
you know it's, you havepermission to follow that
(25:33):
knowing capital K and when youdo, things work out.
Amber Annette (25:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think that anybody
can actually think of a timewhen they followed their
intuition and it let them downthe wrong path.
I don't know anybody that canbe like, yeah, I followed my
intuition and it really screwedme up.
Or yeah, I followed myintuition and it really set me
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back.
And I often say like, typicallyfollowing earned, you know, it
sounds glorious, it soundsamazing.
I mean, every time I talk aboutintuition, people feel like
it's this like beautiful, shiny,like mystical, magical
experience and it sounds likethat.
But in the reality of followingyour intuition, it's a
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typically the path that's thehardest.
It's typically the path that'sgoing to bring you the most
discomfort, the most contrast,the most stretching of your
limits and your boundaries, Imean.
But it is also the path that isgoing to lead you to your next
(26:43):
transformation, into your highercalling and to the highest
vision that you could havepossibly imagined yourself
having.
Meagan Norris (26:54):
And.
Amber Annette (26:54):
I.
And yet just because it's theright path doesn't mean it's the
easy path.
Meagan Norris (27:02):
No, in fact you're right, it's usually the
most uncomfortable because forsome reason, it's harder for us
to speak our truth and move intoit than it is to pretend and
have that discomfort, likesomehow that feels protective.
I usually describe it as itfeels like your skin is melting
off, like it is so uncomfortable.
(27:24):
And a lot of the work that I dowith my clients is we're just
holding space for thatdiscomfort, like don't, don't
undo what you did, take a breath.
This is just a feeling andwe're going to wait and the
magic I call it magic, the magicis coming, the manifestation is
coming and I have the mostunbelievable stories from my
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clients and my own life thatjust blow my mind and I feel so
privileged to have a bird's eyeview of all of that.
Yeah, and I try to share them asmuch as possible because it
helps everybody else understand.
Oh, it's possible for me tolike things happen that don't
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make sense.
They're so good, they don'tmake sense to our logical brain
and I, 18 months into thisbusiness and this offer and this
work, my trust in that alwaysshowing up is becoming so much
deeper and it is reallyrewarding and fun on the other
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side of it.
But while you're in it, yes,your skin is going to melt off.
It's very uncomfortable.
Amber Annette (28:44):
So let's talk about for those who are in it,
maybe here for a second, so forthe listeners that are maybe on
the fence, and I want to makesure that everybody knows, like
you, don't just help women goingthrough divorce.
That can definitely be a biggeraspect of what's going on in
their life.
But, you know, when do you know, like, when do you know it's
(29:08):
time?
You know, when do you know it'stime to probably seek out
somebody like you for support,for coaching, for guidance, for
mentoring, you know, versus justhaving you know, I mean, I
agree, I mean we talked aboutyou touched on there.
You know, having a therapist alittle bit earlier and a coach
(29:29):
is not a substitute for atherapist.
Like they're very differentthings, first and foremost.
But I also, you know, I thinkit's important to not just have
your friends as a sounding board, because that's not always
super like healthy andproductive as well.
How do you know when it isreally time, you know, to start
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having somebody like you in intheir corner for life or divorce
, for transformation?
Meagan Norris (30:00):
I feel like that answer is easier than how do I
know when it's time to leave mymarriage?
How do you know when it's timeto get support?
It's just when you want to,when you feel called to it, when
you feel pulled to it, whensomething inside of you is
telling you go there, you wantto be there.
(30:21):
That energy, you want to be inthat energy, follow that.
I call it a bread crumb ofdesire.
Follow that bread crumb ofdesire because it will lead you
to the next thing and the nextthing.
And then the second thing I'llsay is that I think leaving a
marriage happens in two phases.
(30:41):
There's the honesty withyourself, the radical honesty
with yourself oh, this is what Iwant.
And, by the way, you can admitthat and never do anything.
Just because you say it doesn'tmean you have to go and get a
divorce.
You can live your whole rest ofyour life married, with the
(31:01):
knowing I don't really want tobe in this marriage anymore,
it's okay.
So there's that phase and thenusually that leads to the
knowing oh, it's time, I don'twant to be here anymore.
And I wish there was a way thatI could say no, we're so
enlightened that we can approachthat time to actually leave
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faster, sooner, with moreclarity.
But I just think that's notusually true.
It's a process because,especially if you are highly
sensitive or an empath where youwant to be absolutely sure, you
have tried everything, becauseevery single one of my clients
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had a vision of being marrieduntil they died.
To this person, yeah,absolutely, and letting that go
is a grieving process and atransformation all in itself and
it's okay that it takes thetime that it takes to get to
that second phase.
Amber Annette (32:03):
And there isn't a cookie cutter timeframe on that
.
It's your own timeframe.
Meagan Norris (32:09):
Yes, and that is why it's so important to curate
who you listen to, becauseattorneys have a lot of opinions
and they're quote experts,right?
Your mom has an opinion, yourtherapist might have an opinion
and none of it matters.
Only your knowing and intuitionand opinion matters here.
Amber Annette (32:34):
Well said, I love it.
I love the work that you'redoing in this world.
So needed.
Meagan Norris (32:39):
Thank you, so needed.
Amber Annette (32:42):
I'm so grateful for this conversation and I know
my audience is going to be too.
I can't wait to share this withthem.
And now, in like true, thebusiness like it fashion, I'm
going to give you a businessreading.
Okay, and even though I likefollow your social media content
, I actually know nothing aboutyour business model or like.
(33:07):
So I don't know like pack, Iknow nothing about like your
actual business.
So it'll be interesting to seewhat I kind of pick up and
channel here and tap into youand then I'm sorry, I'm like
already having stuff come in, soI'm just like writing it really
quick.
And then I will ask you a superpowerful question to wrap up
this episode, are you?
Meagan Norris (33:26):
ready, megan.
I'm Amber, my palms aresweating, okay.
Amber Annette (33:30):
Let's see, let's, let's see, let's see.
So I really need to start doingmy podcast with, like, the
video aspect also, so thatpeople can see what my process
is.
So whenever I do somebody'sbusiness reading, I close my
eyes, and this is just how I usemy gift, so I always have my
eyes closed.
(33:50):
It just makes it easier for meto hear and see and get visions,
and there's a couple of thingscoming in.
So, number one, when you weretalking, I felt and this is how
my gifts sometimes work I felt Ifeel like a ping, I feel like a
tingling sensation I call themtruth bumps sometimes and I was
(34:10):
really feeling somethingpowerful about the your own
timeframe framework because andthis is coming from a place of
knowing and intuition andexperience for myself there
could be, this could be apowerful way to use it as like a
lead magnet or something likethis to to to bring in more
magical women into your audience, megan.
(34:33):
But women want a timeframe.
They want to know, like Ialmost get this like linear line
of like the things that need tohappen for them to have a
transformation, for them to getto their vision.
And even though it isn't anactual timeframe, I'm using like
quotation marks and like aroundthat word.
(34:54):
There is something powerfulabout the own, your, your own
timeframe framework for you.
So I want you to sit with that,see what comes in with that.
Think about past clients.
You've had current clients thatare coming to you that are
maybe time obsessed, and thenthere's something really
(35:14):
powerful from the timeframeperspective of latching that
onto, like the vision becomingthe CEO of your life, of your
decisions, of your, thedecisions in your vision.
So strongly feel that for youand where I can feel you
starting to say, like look, Iwant to be known for more than
(35:34):
divorce, because that's morethan who you are now.
It will still be an aspect.
I think these are women thatare either a in the middle of
the divorce or at the tail end,or have just been recently
divorced.
Just because that's going to besuch a powerful message that's
going to still resonate withthem.
So that's so.
That's the first thing.
The second thing that I keepgetting is like the vision of
(35:56):
you with two other women, and itfeels to me like this is like a
sacred circle type ofexperience, where it almost
feels like it's hybrid Some isin person and some is online
where you're holding some typeof container, whether it be a
mastermind or but it does feellike there's an incident level
of retreat included where it'sin person.
(36:17):
The power here, though, is thatit is the three of you holding
the space, and it's like thesecollaborative, you know,
industries that really canrendezvous to give her the full
transformation.
So, instead of going, basically, and hiring three different
coaches and mentors for threedifferent aspects of her life,
(36:39):
maybe even of her business, itfeels like it's kind of this all
inclusive, all in one, butsomething really powerful is
going to happen.
You are going to go into thisretreat experience and be blown
away by how much you lovehosting it and by the power of
the in person aspects of it, and, I kid you not, I see you with,
(37:02):
like a drum.
There's like a drummingceremony, and I feel like this
new love for like music orhealing, the healing arts, is
really going to like kick intolike high gear for you.
So something specifically aroundthat, and then it feels like a
(37:22):
no-brainer, but I need to bringit forward anyway in saying you
got to get it.
It's not a book, but it is aplanner.
It feels like to me, it's likea hybrid that I keep getting the
vision and it even has like aspiral.
That's what makes me think it'slike a planner.
It has like a spiral ringnotebook to it, feeling where it
(37:47):
is an envisioning planner andguidebook Books are magical and
amazing.
I read like a theme yeah, thisfeels different.
It feels like it needs to be anactive manual.
There's something reallypowerful and really significant
(38:12):
about that.
Whether that is tied to this ornot, I'm slightly except.
Maybe one leads to the other.
I don't know what your brandingcolors are.
A lot of sage pink, white andblack on that, which is
interesting.
I don't always see brandingcolors, but there's something
about that that I feel like anew brand is emerging.
Might even have those tones init.
(38:33):
I can definitely.
January of 2024 is asignificantly successful month
for you, probably one of themost, I'm going to even say,
ever have in business.
Something significant inJanuary of 2024.
Wow.
Meagan Norris (38:51):
Okay.
Amber Annette (38:54):
So that's a lot to unpack there.
Anything about that resonate?
Come up for you, let's hear it.
Meagan Norris (39:00):
Yeah, okay, all of it Okay.
First of all, I'm veryintroverted.
The idea that I would want todo a retreat might not have made
sense to me five years ago, butI just connected with someone
on social media who plans travelfor women who have just gone
(39:21):
through any type of bigtransition.
We have met and discussed doinga retreat in 2024, like a very
small, intimate retreat typething.
So I feel like that, of course,is just at you, just sort of
filled out that vision, and it'sgoing to be in Utah, at this
(39:42):
glamping place.
So the idea that they're like aceremonial aspect.
Amber Annette (39:46):
I was going to say like it had like a Southwest
feel to it.
Meagan Norris (39:50):
Huh.
Amber Annette (39:51):
That's why, Like I would have said New Mexico-ish
, but I'm sure I mean that'sthat same kind of, that's like
same kind of Canyon Vidie, right, yes, that's where I'm from oh,
stop it.
Meagan Norris (40:04):
Yes, I'm from.
I was born and raised in NewMexico and I just moved to Texas
like nine months ago.
So oh I got truth thumbseverywhere, uh-huh, yes.
And then I have had book likeflashing at me but I didn't know
(40:24):
what that was going to looklike exactly and I still feel
like it's taking shape and I wasexcited.
I thought, well, am I supposedto write like a fiction book?
I feel like there's space forsome fiction, some mature
fiction around divorce and womenright, and what that is journey
(40:44):
is like, and but then alsosomething around my work.
It's interesting that you saw aspiral and some sort of manual
or guidebook, because that hasbeen sort of this recurring
theme and desire for me.
So one day I'm just going towrite a book and sometimes I
feel pulled to just open upnotes on my phone and start
(41:06):
writing.
So I'm like, oh, I know exactlywhat this chapter is going to
say and I haven't yet.
So I feel a little called tothat.
Also, my brand is evolving andmy old colors that like years
ago a brand person gave me thatsage pink and white in them,
(41:29):
kind of moody, dark things too,and so I like the black or like
a really dark green pulled intothere.
So the fact that you said it'spink, white and black, I was
like, oh yeah, that's it.
That's exactly right.
So pretty much everything andowning your own timeline has
(41:50):
been a recurring theme in thelast two months, for my client
and for me.
Amber Annette (41:56):
Yeah, I think, especially as we're talking
about that again, I really I sayit all the time and like even
leaders need leads right, whichis, which is really to me what
that like the your own timeframeframework feels like of helping
her see, like, honestly, fuckthe fuck the timeframe, it
(42:18):
doesn't really matter.
It matters is this presentmoment.
I think there's somethingreally powerful in teaching that
and claiming that to bring herinto your space so that you can
you can continue to nurture andbuild a relationship with her,
and she's going to buy from youbecause you're amazing.
Meagan Norris (42:36):
I love that.
Thank you, yeah, I think wehave.
I have some really powerfulclients who make a lot of money,
have a lot of influence, andthere's a reluctance to own that
, and so of course there's alsoa reluctance to own a timeline,
because sometimes the timelineis fast.
(42:57):
We think, oh the timeline, ohit's going to take a while and
that's okay, but sometimes ithappens really fast and that
makes us just as uncomfortableas the waiting.
So I feel like those things areprobably connected in some way
and helping her.
Amber Annette (43:13):
See, she gets to have her own Right.
Yep, no, we just don't docookie cutter.
Meagan Norris (43:19):
No, we don't.
That's the only consistentthing, awesome.
Amber Annette (43:25):
Well, that's, that's what.
Just to a quick tap in there.
That's my insight that I gotfor you.
And are you ready for thisfinal question here?
Yes, hit me so.
So these are always my favoritewhen my when my guest hasn't
listened to my podcast yet, sothey don't know what this
(43:45):
question is.
It's, it's, this is my favorite.
So, all right, here we go.
Yep, if you could connect toanybody in spirit today and
receive a message from them, whowould it be?
Oh, now, this could be a pastlove one.
(44:07):
This could be a celebrity.
This could be there's, there's,there's no limits here, okay.
Meagan Norris (44:17):
So two things came up immediately and you can
help me walk through that.
One was my grandmother, who'spassed away, and the other was
my future self.
Amber Annette (44:31):
Oh, I love it.
So let's tap into grandmotherfirst.
Now this is your mom's mom, isthat correct?
Yes, okay, so I have her herewith you and the first thing
that she does is she draws me tolike a necklace that's around
her neck.
Is there anything about anecklace from her, or a pendant,
(44:51):
anything that you remember, ormaybe even your mom might have
now?
Meagan Norris (44:57):
I had her wedding rings.
Amber Annette (44:59):
It's a diamond, so it's like, but it's on, it's
on a necklace.
It doesn't look like a ring tome, but it is a diamond.
Do you still have it?
Meagan Norris (45:09):
The ring.
I still have the rings.
I'm trying to think Well, she'sbringing up a piece of jewelry.
Amber Annette (45:17):
So maybe also I feel your mom so really strongly
in this.
So the three of you are superstrongly connected.
Now, you and your grandmotherwere quite close, is that
correct?
Yes, and there is not alwaysthat same connection between you
and your mom, is that accurate?
Meagan Norris (45:36):
Yes.
Amber Annette (45:36):
And so she is just saying oh, she I mean she
put so you can see where my handhas gone.
My hand has gone to my heart,and that's where your
grandmother is showing me herhand, and I feel like she is
saying this next, I'm going tosay these next five to eight
(45:57):
years, there's going to be thisdeeper connection between you
and your mom.
You're going to get closer toher, but you're going to have to
be the one.
You're going to have to be theone, you're going to have to be
the one to initiate it, toactivate that level of
communication, to open up thedoorway to love.
(46:17):
I feel like your mom has justbeen very she just I don't know
if she just she feels like alittle bit more closed off
emotionally and you are verysensitive, you are an empath,
you're open and you're authenticand in some ways, I feel like
your mom was just raised tomaybe be in the opposite of that
(46:41):
, like you don't wear your hearton your sleeve, you don't, you
don't just like air it out outthere and just doesn't
understand.
And so, over the next five yearsespecially, you're going to
really be deepening anddeveloping a new level of
relationship with her thatyou've not had before and you
have not experienced, and it'llbe just an integral piece to
(47:04):
like a level of happiness that Ithink that you have not ever
experienced with with your mom.
Even though there's love,there's not like major issues,
major like this is just a deeperlevel of love that you've ever
got to and that I feel likeyou've your grandma's telling me
you've always craved, like youcrave with your mom, what you
had with your grandmother, andto feel like that Does that
(47:24):
resonate.
Yep, check with your mom.
I'm going to be curious aboutthis.
It's got a diamond.
It looks like a diamond in themiddle, it's a.
It's the first thing she kindof draw me to was this piece.
Curious to see if your mom hasa piece like that.
There's something about thatcoming.
The next thing that, okay.
(47:45):
So when I connect into so I'mnot going to try to second guess
she is married and she's happy.
This future Wait, who is this?
This future version of you andshe has your hair is longer and
it's curled.
You look different, you lookyounger, you look more vibrant,
(48:11):
and this feels to me like it'svery soon, I would say in the
next three years.
And she's Sitting on top.
So the vision that I get isshe's sitting on top of a stack
of books A stack, sister, let metell you and she says to me no,
(48:38):
holds bar, anything about thatterm specifically.
Do you say that?
Is that something you've everfelt?
Yes, that's like something I'venever channeled before.
Those, those words.
Meagan Norris (48:55):
I have always been sort of a ball to the wall,
all in kind of spirited person,and I have held like, tamp that
down forever because I didn'tthink it was nice or lady like
or palatable.
And I am right now.
(49:15):
I feel like I'm at theprecipice of unleashing that on
purpose and just letting it bewhat it is and embracing it.
And I also love books Like Ican't get enough of them.
Amber Annette (49:26):
Yeah, there's something also really powerful
about Like I'm going to say,like the mountains are calling,
like I get the images ofmountains, and like the sun
setting, like there is, you havegot to honor that.
She's telling me anything aboutthat for you.
(49:48):
Well, yeah, I have been.
Meagan Norris (49:51):
Like I said before, we recorded, called to
Denver in the mountains.
I love the mountains and Itried to move there in the fall
and it didn't work out with myex.
He was on board and then hechanged his mind and I was so
sad at the time and it, but Ididn't give up on it.
(50:13):
I just thought it's not forright now, but a sunset and the
mountains.
I'm just freaked out becausethat is my Thing.
I stand out on the deck of thisrental house and I close my
eyes at sunset and I envisionthat scene Instead of what I'm
(50:37):
looking at.
It's coming, it's coming, she'scoming, but I didn't know it
was coming, coming, coming.
Amber Annette (50:47):
She's there so good.
Oh my God, I don't know what tosay.
Meagan Norris (50:52):
Well, say you enjoyed being on the podcast.
Amber Annette (50:55):
This is magical.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Anything else you want to?
Meagan Norris (51:00):
share with our audience.
Amber Annette (51:01):
We always put shown like ways to connect with
you and your website and yoursocial media avenues all in our
show notes.
But, megan, this was absolutelyglorious.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Thank you, amber, for having me.
Meagan Norris (51:21):
This was really special, thank you.
Amber Annette (51:26):
And until next time, go be in your magic.
See you soon.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode.
I hope it inspired and ignitedyour entrepreneurial spirit, in
turn of your intuition and trustin the universe.
Make sure to check out the shownotes For access to my
(51:47):
transformation suite all of freeresources, tools and content to
help you grow your businesswhile staying true to your
soul's purpose.
Until next week, go make somebusiness magic.
Soul sister.
Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the
show that helps you ignite yoursoul's purpose, turn up your
creativity and activate salesand marketing magic.
I'm your host, amber Annette,and I'm thrilled to be here with
you today to explore the depthof what it means to be a woman
in business.
I believe that business is morethan just making money.
It's about making a differenceand making your mark.
(00:24):
So sit back, get present andlet's dive in and uncover the
secrets to building a businesswith soul, purpose and magic.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Business Psychic.
I'm Amber Annette, your host,and today's episode is
(00:46):
definitely coming straight fromthe heart.
I am here with Megan Norris.
She is an attorney andcertified life coach.
She works with women who arehigh-achieving and who want to
feel like they are the CEOs oftheir divorce.
She helps them create a lifethat is so good it doesn't make
(01:08):
sense afterwards.
I am so excited to gosh be inthis conversation with you Of
course, right now it's August8th and to be super transparent,
like not only am I in themiddle of a divorce, but I have
so many friends and know so manyother women.
(01:29):
I mean, this just feels likesuch a hot topic right now.
It is top of mind for me andI'm honored to have you here,
megan, welcome, welcome.
Meagan Norris (01:39):
Oh, thanks, Amber .
I'm really excited to see howthis conversation unfolds.
Amber Annette (01:45):
Yeah, I mean, let's just kind of start with
your story.
So you're an attorney and acertified life coach, so how did
you start to blend the two, tobecome I mean, do you call
yourself a divorce coach?
Meagan Norris (02:02):
I used to.
When I say used to, I mean likea year ago.
Okay, I was a divorce coach.
Right Now, I would say I'm moreof a life coach, and divorces
just happens to be part of thestory for most of my clients.
And it was not a grand plan ora master mind move to end up
(02:26):
here.
It just happened veryauthentically and almost feels
like it happened behind my back,like the universe was like well
, we're working for you and then, surprise, here's the big
reveal.
So I had a law degree and Ipracticed until 2010,.
And then I had my first baby,and my husband at the time
(02:49):
worked a lot and so did I, and Ihated practicing law.
I mean, really hated it.
I didn't have any tools tomanage my anxiety.
I was just a hot mess expressall of the time, and I was so
excited to be a mom.
I said I'm going to stay home,I will raise this baby, you
don't have to change your workhours.
And I became a stay at home momand three kids later, 2014,
(03:15):
2015, I started feeling calledto do something and knew that my
own anxiety that seemed to beincreasing as the years went on
was the path to that, if I couldfigure out what was happening
with my anxiety and fix myself.
(03:35):
Right at the time I was likethere's something wrong with me.
Then I will be able to use thatto help other moms.
And I found life coaching veryserendipitously.
It's a really fun story.
It was accidental.
I just stumbled upon thispodcast and somebody said did
you know that you're not takingaction because of how you feel?
(03:56):
Like your feelings are such abig part of this?
And it blew my mind and Ijumped immediately into life
coaching, fell in love with it,got certified and was trying to
start this business.
And meanwhile my marriage issort of reaching this peak
(04:19):
dysfunction.
But we're in therapy and we'redoing all the things and I'm
really focused there too, and mybusiness was just going nowhere
.
I could not get traction in itand I finally realized oh, I
think I'm trying to createfinancial security so that I
feel safe to leave this marriage, but that's not actually going
(04:41):
to be possible until I admitthat I don't want to be in this
marriage and actually leave it.
So I told him I wanted adivorce.
We separated, we went throughthe divorce process and
afterwards I was working with acoach because I was still frozen
after my divorce.
Now I understand this a lotbetter because it happens all
(05:02):
the time, but I was in thispattern of waiting for the next
crisis and so I was just notdoing anything.
I also didn't get a job.
I was like I know that I'mgoing to make this coaching
business work, so I'm not goingto get a job and I'm just going
to wait and hold space formyself.
And after my divorce, I'm goingto start to go to work in my
coaching business.
(05:22):
And when I noticed I was frozenand not taking action, I hired a
coach and I told her my storyof how the divorce had gone and
she just stopped theconversation and said I'm so
sorry, wait a minute, what ishappening?
How did you do that?
How are you doing this?
Why aren't you coaching otherwomen on this?
(05:43):
Because this story isunbelievable.
And I took 24 hours and I knewthat not only did what she said
made sense to me, but I feltcalled to it and it aligned and
it was the deeper work I'd beenlooking for.
But I put my finger on beforeand woke up the next day, made a
(06:08):
post about helping womenthrough divorce.
That was in March of last year,so 2022.
And now, 18 months later, Ihave a very successful coaching
business and I really love thework.
I'm obsessed with my clientsand the transformation that's
(06:28):
available to us through divorceand I'm so grateful.
Amber Annette (06:32):
I'm not even your client, and I'm obsessed with
you.
Meagan Norris (06:36):
I love it, thank you.
Amber Annette (06:38):
Yeah, I love it, I think, every single post.
So I'm also not on social mediavery often you might look like
it is, but I'm a little bit likemy time in social media and I
follow, I think, every singlepost that you put out.
It just is inspirational and Imean it's not just about divorce
, it's just about being anempowered woman and I was so
(07:00):
drawn to part of your taglinewhere you're saying I hope women
be the CEOs of their divorce,but I also think you help them
be the CEOs of their life.
It's not just divorce.
I mean, divorce is a symptom ofus not following the life path
that we're meant to be living.
In my opinion, in my experienceand in my intuition, that
(07:23):
divorce is just a symptom.
It's the symptom of nothonoring and following the
calling for me.
Yes, and I think there'ssomething really important for
our audience to hear in thiswhen you're talking about having
anxiety, and there is somethingthat I strongly believe and
(07:45):
that probably goes against a lotof different mental health
statistics and reports andexperts and doctors, and I don't
give a shit because I trustwhat the universe shows me and
tells me more than I trustanything else on this planet and
I really, truly honestly knowand believe in my heart and in
my soul that when we, especiallyas women I'm sure men go
(08:07):
through this too, but when we,as women, have panic attacks, it
is actually a purpose attack.
It is your purpose trying toget through to you.
It is a higher calling.
It is our bodies being sogloriously divinely designed
that it is throwing red flags tous that we are out of alignment
(08:31):
with why we came here.
It is the biggest to me, notred flag, but it is actually a
green flag.
It is a green flag that yourcalling is calling.
I love that you started thisconversation out, because we
haven't even talked about thisat all before.
This is our first time actuallymeeting and talking and it's
(08:52):
such that, calling that momentof man, I know I'm supposed to
be doing something different.
I know there's something bigger, grander, greater.
Every single human being onthis planet experiences a moment
like that.
And so tell me, let's go backto that.
Like what would you say thatwas?
(09:14):
Like a defining moment for you,a memory, like honoring the
calling.
How do you do it?
Meagan Norris (09:22):
I think first you have to acknowledge that the
anxiety is trying to tell yousomething instead of just trying
to fix the anxiety.
Yes, because what happens is weget caught in this loop where
we're trying to convinceourselves that we believe a lie,
like I really want thismarriage to work.
(09:43):
No, I was trying, you shouldn'thave to convince yourself.
No, I couldn't.
Like I was trying to.
I was using the word coach, butI was trying to convince my
brains like if I just work hardenough on me, then I can be okay
with this and not need him tochange or want him to change.
(10:06):
And the more I try to do that,the bigger the anxiety got.
Amber Annette (10:11):
And let me ask you a question about that, as
you're trying to work onyourself, making transformations
and you were actually becominga version of you, and do you
think that those changes causedan either bigger disconnect
between you and your partner?
Meagan Norris (10:34):
Yes, but I didn't realize that that what was
happening at the time?
Yeah, it wasn't until and ittook a good two, two and a half
years for me to arrive at themoment where I realized and it
was this instantaneous, likebreakthrough I had where I
realized, oh, this isn't abouthim, this is about me.
(10:59):
And as soon as I opened up tothat truth, it was like what?
I don't want to do this anymore.
This mysterious anxiety shiftedand I won't say I just felt
rainbows and butterflies all ofa sudden, but it was a very
(11:20):
purposeful nervousness orexcitement, or anticipation of
the conversation and how thedivorce would unfold.
But that's very different fromthe anxiety, this sort of vague,
gray anxiety.
Amber Annette (11:34):
I was feeling the unknown.
Yes, the void of the unknown, Ithink, is what and I mean this
is just in my experience and inmy opinion as a coach for the
last 10 years whether it's goinginto the unknown of a divorce,
the unknown of starting abusiness or putting it is the
(11:55):
unknown that keeps us fromtaking action, because, to our
mind, unknown is unsafe.
I say it all the time on here,like you have to program your
mind to take that action fromthat new place of vision,
because at least the visionfeels known.
And when you don't have that,when you don't claim the vision,
(12:18):
is, in my opinion, where thatgray, the gray, the void really
starts to kick in.
So do you, when you think aboutyourself, your own journey,
your clients, do you help themreally get a vision for what
their new life looks like?
(12:38):
Tell me about the envisioningprocess in this.
Meagan Norris (12:43):
Yes, I do help them because all the work I do
with them is anchored in thevision.
You have to have an idea ofwhere you want to go.
Otherwise, like you said, yourbrain doesn't want you to move
forward.
And it's so creative.
Oh, I'm stuck.
I'm not sure I feel guilty.
Amber Annette (13:02):
I'm just indecisive.
Meagan Norris (13:04):
It's a problem for my childhood, it's a problem
with my belief and not myself.
We come up with all these reallycreative ideas that really just
keep us confused and stuck inthe same cycle.
But when you have that visionand you can anchor into it and
say, okay, it's uncomfortable tomove forward towards this.
But if I believe it's possible,that it's coming, I can bring
(13:30):
this fear with me and trust thatI am going to create this
outcome or that I'm going toco-create it with the universe.
And it's not so much aboutactually creating that vision.
It's about having, like yousaid, something to anchor into
as you move through a processwith a lot of unknown variables,
(13:51):
with another human and maybelawyers or mediators or family
or whatever else is involvedyour kids, if you have them.
It helps anchor you and groundyou in today so that you can
make informed, intentionalchoices.
But the vision's probably goingto evolve and it's going to
shift and change as you grow andmove through the process and
(14:15):
it's probably going to be evenbetter than you can comprehend
right now.
Amber Annette (14:20):
Yeah, and with your current clients and with
the industry and with everythingwe're kind of seeing in like
social media.
I'm just curious, like I readsomewhere that and I don't have
the exact statistic or the exactlike I'm sure somebody will
come at me for like please quoteyour source.
I don't remember.
(14:41):
My source is probably TikTok,let's be honest, but I keep
seeing stuff where it's calledlike we're in the era of the
great divorce, where and I thinkthe number was the age of women
between I believe it was like35 and 47 is the highest it's
(15:02):
ever been and the lowestremarriage rate for those same
women ever.
And so I'm just curious, youknow, and again like knowing
that most likely a lot of thatis coming from from TikTok and
from, but I mean, I've seen alot around this like great
divorce.
What do you think is happeningon maybe the level of the
(15:30):
collective let's just go thatwhere women are feeling like
this is their best option, likethis is the best plan, the best
path, like why do you think thisis happening right now?
Meagan Norris (15:43):
I think my best guess I hadn't heard that great
divorce term.
I guess that makes sense, but Ithink it's probably a
combination of several factors,probably kicking off what, like
you could probably trace it backto, like the 2016 election,
right.
And then we have the pandemic,where women are at home and
(16:05):
we're also working, but we'realso now homeschooling or we're
you know whatever.
However, that life, right.
And then we also, post pandemic, have this.
What I feel like and sense is acollective raising of our
vibration and, at least for me,social media, like the
(16:26):
educational quality and thespiritual guidance and the
coaching and the psychologistswho are sharing their knowledge
and, informationally, we're justbecoming.
We're not smarter, but we'remore connected to our truth and
our intuition, and we're seeingpeople give us permission to
(16:50):
listen to that and I think, aswe, it's not so much oh, this is
my best option, but oh, this iswhat I actually want and I have
, and I can understand it on anintellectual level, but I can
also feel it emotionally andI've got people telling me that
(17:10):
it's okay for me to own thattruth and I'm gonna be okay
afterwards.
Amber Annette (17:17):
Yeah, you're right, the combination of kind
of all of those.
Just you know, like there wasgonna be this like huge wave of
babies coming.
You know, people stuck at hometogether.
I think there was kind of likethat common like thought and
conception that like more babieswere gonna come because of
COVID, when in reality thisgreat divorce era is coming as a
(17:40):
result of it.
And it does make me wonder, likehow much is social media
playing into that?
You know, when you talk aboutbeing able to be connected, I
mean we are.
I mean we pick up our phone andwe're instantly connected to
content and resources andcourses and coaches and
community that can be goingthrough the exact same, you know
(18:04):
the exact same situation thatwe're going to and instantly can
just feel comforting.
And I'm just curious, you know,how can you stay true to your
like authentic self during thattime when there is so much out
there Like you can get in likeconsumption overload.
You know, to the point where Imean some of the things I was
(18:26):
researching and looking up, Iwas like I can't even I couldn't
even keep my own thoughtsstraight anymore of like what
was real for me and what Iactually wanted, or was it based
off of something I read orheard or watched?
So how do you really stay trueto your authentic self during
this, you know, during this time?
Meagan Norris (18:42):
Okay, I have a couple of tips because this is a
real thing.
When you start to leak energyaround your research or your
consumption of information,regardless of the source podcast
, audio books, social media,other people's opinions it
becomes really important becauseI do think there's a tipping
(19:03):
right.
There's this point, as you'reapproaching the divorce, where
your brain just wants tounderstand and you're reading
and you're researching to createsome sense of safety, but then
it starts to tip and it becomesthe experience that's draining,
like you just described, whereit just becomes overload and
overwhelming and now you can'teven really tell what your truth
(19:27):
is and what you think aboutanyone thing and you start to
outsource it to other things andother people.
So, number one curate the hellout of everything you consume
from doomsday news reports,stock market if you're doing
like stock market stuff orpolitical stuff, cut it out.
That would be my recommendation.
(19:48):
And then curate any social mediafeeds that you have to align
with the highest version ofyourself, whether that's just
personal development and cuttingout all the divorce stuff,
which is what I ended up doing,or just curating specific
leaders and making it a placewhere you go and you feel
(20:09):
lighter and you enjoy it, butyou really start to cut down on
what you're consuming and then Ireally think there's value in
finding some kind of one-on-onesupport or maybe small group
support, although even thenyou're having there's so much
other noise there can be in agroup but a therapist, a coach,
(20:32):
a mentor, even a good friend,somebody who will help you
validate right, validate howyou're feeling, but then also
reflect back to you your truthor your thought errors, or
remind you of your vision,because that support really
helps you move forwardefficiently.
(20:54):
Not necessarily we need to go sofast because we don't, but we
can move through it efficientlyand learn how to use all of that
juicy emotional fuel that thedivorce is creating, the guilt,
the grief, resentment all ofthat fuel is really sacred and
you can use that fuel to createa life that's so good it doesn't
(21:17):
make sense and your bestpossible divorce outcome.
But you have to know how to dothat and I think part of that is
curating the information comingin and being very selective
with who you share yourexperience with and get support
from.
Amber Annette (21:34):
So good, thank you.
Meagan Norris (21:36):
Welcome.
Amber Annette (21:38):
So I'm curious when you start to go down this
path and maybe even you reach apoint where the marriage is
complete divorce when you'reworking with women that maybe
that's the stage that they're atAre they ever regretting their
decisions?
Are you ever seeing that womenare regretting the choice to get
(22:03):
a divorce?
Meagan Norris (22:06):
No, but what I do see is women paralyzed by the
fear that they might.
What if I do regret this, downthe road and my answer to that
is always so.
What if you do?
The emotion of regret, feelingregret, is just a vibration in
your body.
And why are we so afraid offeeling a vibration in our body?
(22:31):
And when we can neutralize it alittle bit that way and put it
into perspective, they canusually take a deep breath and
say, okay, well, I can trustmyself to handle some regret.
And I think there's also thisunderlying question of like, but
(22:53):
what if he is the one?
What if he is the one?
And I'm messing this up, and Imean my answer is always well,
what if he is?
If we really believe what's forus, can't miss us and the
universe always has our back andall of those comforting mantras
(23:14):
that we want to say toourselves, then if he's the one,
then you're going to come backtogether in some way, but this
is what you want right now.
So why don't we honor that andsee what happens and trust
yourself to handle whatever youfeel in the future when you feel
it, instead of feeling terribleahead of time?
Amber Annette (23:33):
And I think that works in any situation, not just
if you're going through adivorce but just, am I making
the wrong choice?
I mean, I think as women, wespend way too much time in that
space of am I doing the rightthing?
Is this the right door for me?
What if?
What if?
What?
If you know we can love, youknow into a state of being
(23:56):
paralyzed.
Meagan Norris (23:57):
Yes, and how do you know?
How do you know when it's right?
How are you going to decidethat there's no measure outside
of you?
Amber Annette (24:05):
Yeah, and I think it's like that's where having
your intuition and being sostrongly connected to it and
knowing and having you knownothing more powerful than your
inner knowing, how do you workwith your clients to like honor
that and trust that and feelthat Like?
Meagan Norris (24:27):
first, once we uncover it right, and it's
really just a question of whatis it that I want, and I always
like to qualify that with if youknew everything was going to be
okay either way, if you kneweveryone was going to be okay
either way, living their bestlife.
What is it that you want?
What is that, what is thatknowing?
(24:49):
And once we've identified it, Ithink it's really helpful to
have somebody reflect it back toyou, to for someone to say and
remind you you know, you justget to follow that desire, that
knowing, that intuition, justbecause you want to, you have
(25:09):
permission to do that Right.
And because we forget and Idon't know if that's just human
nature or a product of ourconditioning or the culture that
we live in, it doesn't reallymatter it seems to be really
powerful and I know it is for meto have someone say, just so
you know it's, you havepermission to follow that
(25:33):
knowing capital K and when youdo, things work out.
Amber Annette (25:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think that anybody
can actually think of a timewhen they followed their
intuition and it let them downthe wrong path.
I don't know anybody that canbe like, yeah, I followed my
intuition and it really screwedme up.
Or yeah, I followed myintuition and it really set me
(25:59):
back.
And I often say like, typicallyfollowing earned, you know, it
sounds glorious, it soundsamazing.
I mean, every time I talk aboutintuition, people feel like
it's this like beautiful, shiny,like mystical, magical
experience and it sounds likethat.
But in the reality of followingyour intuition, it's a
(26:22):
typically the path that's thehardest.
It's typically the path that'sgoing to bring you the most
discomfort, the most contrast,the most stretching of your
limits and your boundaries, Imean.
But it is also the path that isgoing to lead you to your next
(26:43):
transformation, into your highercalling and to the highest
vision that you could havepossibly imagined yourself
having.
Meagan Norris (26:54):
And.
Amber Annette (26:54):
I.
And yet just because it's theright path doesn't mean it's the
easy path.
Meagan Norris (27:02):
No, in fact you're right, it's usually the
most uncomfortable because forsome reason, it's harder for us
to speak our truth and move intoit than it is to pretend and
have that discomfort, likesomehow that feels protective.
I usually describe it as itfeels like your skin is melting
off, like it is so uncomfortable.
(27:24):
And a lot of the work that I dowith my clients is we're just
holding space for thatdiscomfort, like don't, don't
undo what you did, take a breath.
This is just a feeling andwe're going to wait and the
magic I call it magic, the magicis coming, the manifestation is
coming and I have the mostunbelievable stories from my
(27:48):
clients and my own life thatjust blow my mind and I feel so
privileged to have a bird's eyeview of all of that.
Yeah, and I try to share them asmuch as possible because it
helps everybody else understand.
Oh, it's possible for me tolike things happen that don't
(28:09):
make sense.
They're so good, they don'tmake sense to our logical brain
and I, 18 months into thisbusiness and this offer and this
work, my trust in that alwaysshowing up is becoming so much
deeper and it is reallyrewarding and fun on the other
(28:35):
side of it.
But while you're in it, yes,your skin is going to melt off.
It's very uncomfortable.
Amber Annette (28:44):
So let's talk about for those who are in it,
maybe here for a second, so forthe listeners that are maybe on
the fence, and I want to makesure that everybody knows, like
you, don't just help women goingthrough divorce.
That can definitely be a biggeraspect of what's going on in
their life.
But, you know, when do you know, like, when do you know it's
(29:08):
time?
You know, when do you know it'stime to probably seek out
somebody like you for support,for coaching, for guidance, for
mentoring, you know, versus justhaving you know, I mean, I
agree, I mean we talked aboutyou touched on there.
You know, having a therapist alittle bit earlier and a coach
(29:29):
is not a substitute for atherapist.
Like they're very differentthings, first and foremost.
But I also, you know, I thinkit's important to not just have
your friends as a sounding board, because that's not always
super like healthy andproductive as well.
How do you know when it isreally time, you know, to start
(29:51):
having somebody like you in intheir corner for life or divorce
, for transformation?
Meagan Norris (30:00):
I feel like that answer is easier than how do I
know when it's time to leave mymarriage?
How do you know when it's timeto get support?
It's just when you want to,when you feel called to it, when
you feel pulled to it, whensomething inside of you is
telling you go there, you wantto be there.
(30:21):
That energy, you want to be inthat energy, follow that.
I call it a bread crumb ofdesire.
Follow that bread crumb ofdesire because it will lead you
to the next thing and the nextthing.
And then the second thing I'llsay is that I think leaving a
marriage happens in two phases.
(30:41):
There's the honesty withyourself, the radical honesty
with yourself oh, this is what Iwant.
And, by the way, you can admitthat and never do anything.
Just because you say it doesn'tmean you have to go and get a
divorce.
You can live your whole rest ofyour life married, with the
(31:01):
knowing I don't really want tobe in this marriage anymore,
it's okay.
So there's that phase and thenusually that leads to the
knowing oh, it's time, I don'twant to be here anymore.
And I wish there was a way thatI could say no, we're so
enlightened that we can approachthat time to actually leave
(31:24):
faster, sooner, with moreclarity.
But I just think that's notusually true.
It's a process because,especially if you are highly
sensitive or an empath where youwant to be absolutely sure, you
have tried everything, becauseevery single one of my clients
(31:45):
had a vision of being marrieduntil they died.
To this person, yeah,absolutely, and letting that go
is a grieving process and atransformation all in itself and
it's okay that it takes thetime that it takes to get to
that second phase.
Amber Annette (32:03):
And there isn't a cookie cutter timeframe on that
.
It's your own timeframe.
Meagan Norris (32:09):
Yes, and that is why it's so important to curate
who you listen to, becauseattorneys have a lot of opinions
and they're quote experts,right?
Your mom has an opinion, yourtherapist might have an opinion
and none of it matters.
Only your knowing and intuitionand opinion matters here.
Amber Annette (32:34):
Well said, I love it.
I love the work that you'redoing in this world.
So needed.
Meagan Norris (32:39):
Thank you, so needed.
Amber Annette (32:42):
I'm so grateful for this conversation and I know
my audience is going to be too.
I can't wait to share this withthem.
And now, in like true, thebusiness like it fashion, I'm
going to give you a businessreading.
Okay, and even though I likefollow your social media content
, I actually know nothing aboutyour business model or like.
(33:07):
So I don't know like pack, Iknow nothing about like your
actual business.
So it'll be interesting to seewhat I kind of pick up and
channel here and tap into youand then I'm sorry, I'm like
already having stuff come in, soI'm just like writing it really
quick.
And then I will ask you a superpowerful question to wrap up
this episode, are you?
Meagan Norris (33:26):
ready, megan.
I'm Amber, my palms aresweating, okay.
Amber Annette (33:30):
Let's see, let's, let's see, let's see.
So I really need to start doingmy podcast with, like, the
video aspect also, so thatpeople can see what my process
is.
So whenever I do somebody'sbusiness reading, I close my
eyes, and this is just how I usemy gift, so I always have my
eyes closed.
(33:50):
It just makes it easier for meto hear and see and get visions,
and there's a couple of thingscoming in.
So, number one, when you weretalking, I felt and this is how
my gifts sometimes work I felt Ifeel like a ping, I feel like a
tingling sensation I call themtruth bumps sometimes and I was
(34:10):
really feeling somethingpowerful about the your own
timeframe framework because andthis is coming from a place of
knowing and intuition andexperience for myself there
could be, this could be apowerful way to use it as like a
lead magnet or something likethis to to to bring in more
magical women into your audience, megan.
(34:33):
But women want a timeframe.
They want to know, like Ialmost get this like linear line
of like the things that need tohappen for them to have a
transformation, for them to getto their vision.
And even though it isn't anactual timeframe, I'm using like
quotation marks and like aroundthat word.
(34:54):
There is something powerfulabout the own, your, your own
timeframe framework for you.
So I want you to sit with that,see what comes in with that.
Think about past clients.
You've had current clients thatare coming to you that are
maybe time obsessed, and thenthere's something really
(35:14):
powerful from the timeframeperspective of latching that
onto, like the vision becomingthe CEO of your life, of your
decisions, of your, thedecisions in your vision.
So strongly feel that for youand where I can feel you
starting to say, like look, Iwant to be known for more than
(35:34):
divorce, because that's morethan who you are now.
It will still be an aspect.
I think these are women thatare either a in the middle of
the divorce or at the tail end,or have just been recently
divorced.
Just because that's going to besuch a powerful message that's
going to still resonate withthem.
So that's so.
That's the first thing.
The second thing that I keepgetting is like the vision of
(35:56):
you with two other women, and itfeels to me like this is like a
sacred circle type ofexperience, where it almost
feels like it's hybrid Some isin person and some is online
where you're holding some typeof container, whether it be a
mastermind or but it does feellike there's an incident level
of retreat included where it'sin person.
(36:17):
The power here, though, is thatit is the three of you holding
the space, and it's like thesecollaborative, you know,
industries that really canrendezvous to give her the full
transformation.
So, instead of going, basically, and hiring three different
coaches and mentors for threedifferent aspects of her life,
(36:39):
maybe even of her business, itfeels like it's kind of this all
inclusive, all in one, butsomething really powerful is
going to happen.
You are going to go into thisretreat experience and be blown
away by how much you lovehosting it and by the power of
the in person aspects of it, and, I kid you not, I see you with,
(37:02):
like a drum.
There's like a drummingceremony, and I feel like this
new love for like music orhealing, the healing arts, is
really going to like kick intolike high gear for you.
So something specifically aroundthat, and then it feels like a
(37:22):
no-brainer, but I need to bringit forward anyway in saying you
got to get it.
It's not a book, but it is aplanner.
It feels like to me, it's likea hybrid that I keep getting the
vision and it even has like aspiral.
That's what makes me think it'slike a planner.
It has like a spiral ringnotebook to it, feeling where it
(37:47):
is an envisioning planner andguidebook Books are magical and
amazing.
I read like a theme yeah, thisfeels different.
It feels like it needs to be anactive manual.
There's something reallypowerful and really significant
(38:12):
about that.
Whether that is tied to this ornot, I'm slightly except.
Maybe one leads to the other.
I don't know what your brandingcolors are.
A lot of sage pink, white andblack on that, which is
interesting.
I don't always see brandingcolors, but there's something
about that that I feel like anew brand is emerging.
Might even have those tones init.
(38:33):
I can definitely.
January of 2024 is asignificantly successful month
for you, probably one of themost, I'm going to even say,
ever have in business.
Something significant inJanuary of 2024.
Wow.
Meagan Norris (38:51):
Okay.
Amber Annette (38:54):
So that's a lot to unpack there.
Anything about that resonate?
Come up for you, let's hear it.
Meagan Norris (39:00):
Yeah, okay, all of it Okay.
First of all, I'm veryintroverted.
The idea that I would want todo a retreat might not have made
sense to me five years ago, butI just connected with someone
on social media who plans travelfor women who have just gone
(39:21):
through any type of bigtransition.
We have met and discussed doinga retreat in 2024, like a very
small, intimate retreat typething.
So I feel like that, of course,is just at you, just sort of
filled out that vision, and it'sgoing to be in Utah, at this
(39:42):
glamping place.
So the idea that they're like aceremonial aspect.
Amber Annette (39:46):
I was going to say like it had like a Southwest
feel to it.
Meagan Norris (39:50):
Huh.
Amber Annette (39:51):
That's why, Like I would have said New Mexico-ish
, but I'm sure I mean that'sthat same kind of, that's like
same kind of Canyon Vidie, right, yes, that's where I'm from oh,
stop it.
Meagan Norris (40:04):
Yes, I'm from.
I was born and raised in NewMexico and I just moved to Texas
like nine months ago.
So oh I got truth thumbseverywhere, uh-huh, yes.
And then I have had book likeflashing at me but I didn't know
(40:24):
what that was going to looklike exactly and I still feel
like it's taking shape and I wasexcited.
I thought, well, am I supposedto write like a fiction book?
I feel like there's space forsome fiction, some mature
fiction around divorce and womenright, and what that is journey
(40:44):
is like, and but then alsosomething around my work.
It's interesting that you saw aspiral and some sort of manual
or guidebook, because that hasbeen sort of this recurring
theme and desire for me.
So one day I'm just going towrite a book and sometimes I
feel pulled to just open upnotes on my phone and start
(41:06):
writing.
So I'm like, oh, I know exactlywhat this chapter is going to
say and I haven't yet.
So I feel a little called tothat.
Also, my brand is evolving andmy old colors that like years
ago a brand person gave me thatsage pink and white in them,
(41:29):
kind of moody, dark things too,and so I like the black or like
a really dark green pulled intothere.
So the fact that you said it'spink, white and black, I was
like, oh yeah, that's it.
That's exactly right.
So pretty much everything andowning your own timeline has
(41:50):
been a recurring theme in thelast two months, for my client
and for me.
Amber Annette (41:56):
Yeah, I think, especially as we're talking
about that again, I really I sayit all the time and like even
leaders need leads right, whichis, which is really to me what
that like the your own timeframeframework feels like of helping
her see, like, honestly, fuckthe fuck the timeframe, it
(42:18):
doesn't really matter.
It matters is this presentmoment.
I think there's somethingreally powerful in teaching that
and claiming that to bring herinto your space so that you can
you can continue to nurture andbuild a relationship with her,
and she's going to buy from youbecause you're amazing.
Meagan Norris (42:36):
I love that.
Thank you, yeah, I think wehave.
I have some really powerfulclients who make a lot of money,
have a lot of influence, andthere's a reluctance to own that
, and so of course there's alsoa reluctance to own a timeline,
because sometimes the timelineis fast.
(42:57):
We think, oh the timeline, ohit's going to take a while and
that's okay, but sometimes ithappens really fast and that
makes us just as uncomfortableas the waiting.
So I feel like those things areprobably connected in some way
and helping her.
Amber Annette (43:13):
See, she gets to have her own Right.
Yep, no, we just don't docookie cutter.
Meagan Norris (43:19):
No, we don't.
That's the only consistentthing, awesome.
Amber Annette (43:25):
Well, that's, that's what.
Just to a quick tap in there.
That's my insight that I gotfor you.
And are you ready for thisfinal question here?
Yes, hit me so.
So these are always my favoritewhen my when my guest hasn't
listened to my podcast yet, sothey don't know what this
(43:45):
question is.
It's, it's, this is my favorite.
So, all right, here we go.
Yep, if you could connect toanybody in spirit today and
receive a message from them, whowould it be?
Oh, now, this could be a pastlove one.
(44:07):
This could be a celebrity.
This could be there's, there's,there's no limits here, okay.
Meagan Norris (44:17):
So two things came up immediately and you can
help me walk through that.
One was my grandmother, who'spassed away, and the other was
my future self.
Amber Annette (44:31):
Oh, I love it.
So let's tap into grandmotherfirst.
Now this is your mom's mom, isthat correct?
Yes, okay, so I have her herewith you and the first thing
that she does is she draws me tolike a necklace that's around
her neck.
Is there anything about anecklace from her, or a pendant,
(44:51):
anything that you remember, ormaybe even your mom might have
now?
Meagan Norris (44:57):
I had her wedding rings.
Amber Annette (44:59):
It's a diamond, so it's like, but it's on, it's
on a necklace.
It doesn't look like a ring tome, but it is a diamond.
Do you still have it?
Meagan Norris (45:09):
The ring.
I still have the rings.
I'm trying to think Well, she'sbringing up a piece of jewelry.
Amber Annette (45:17):
So maybe also I feel your mom so really strongly
in this.
So the three of you are superstrongly connected.
Now, you and your grandmotherwere quite close, is that
correct?
Yes, and there is not alwaysthat same connection between you
and your mom, is that accurate?
Meagan Norris (45:36):
Yes.
Amber Annette (45:36):
And so she is just saying oh, she I mean she
put so you can see where my handhas gone.
My hand has gone to my heart,and that's where your
grandmother is showing me herhand, and I feel like she is
saying this next, I'm going tosay these next five to eight
(45:57):
years, there's going to be thisdeeper connection between you
and your mom.
You're going to get closer toher, but you're going to have to
be the one.
You're going to have to be theone, you're going to have to be
the one to initiate it, toactivate that level of
communication, to open up thedoorway to love.
(46:17):
I feel like your mom has justbeen very she just I don't know
if she just she feels like alittle bit more closed off
emotionally and you are verysensitive, you are an empath,
you're open and you're authenticand in some ways, I feel like
your mom was just raised tomaybe be in the opposite of that
(46:41):
, like you don't wear your hearton your sleeve, you don't, you
don't just like air it out outthere and just doesn't
understand.
And so, over the next five yearsespecially, you're going to
really be deepening anddeveloping a new level of
relationship with her thatyou've not had before and you
have not experienced, and it'llbe just an integral piece to
(47:04):
like a level of happiness that Ithink that you have not ever
experienced with with your mom.
Even though there's love,there's not like major issues,
major like this is just a deeperlevel of love that you've ever
got to and that I feel likeyou've your grandma's telling me
you've always craved, like youcrave with your mom, what you
had with your grandmother, andto feel like that Does that
(47:24):
resonate.
Yep, check with your mom.
I'm going to be curious aboutthis.
It's got a diamond.
It looks like a diamond in themiddle, it's a.
It's the first thing she kindof draw me to was this piece.
Curious to see if your mom hasa piece like that.
There's something about thatcoming.
The next thing that, okay.
(47:45):
So when I connect into so I'mnot going to try to second guess
she is married and she's happy.
This future Wait, who is this?
This future version of you andshe has your hair is longer and
it's curled.
You look different, you lookyounger, you look more vibrant,
(48:11):
and this feels to me like it'svery soon, I would say in the
next three years.
And she's Sitting on top.
So the vision that I get isshe's sitting on top of a stack
of books A stack, sister, let metell you and she says to me no,
(48:38):
holds bar, anything about thatterm specifically.
Do you say that?
Is that something you've everfelt?
Yes, that's like something I'venever channeled before.
Those, those words.
Meagan Norris (48:55):
I have always been sort of a ball to the wall,
all in kind of spirited person,and I have held like, tamp that
down forever because I didn'tthink it was nice or lady like
or palatable.
And I am right now.
(49:15):
I feel like I'm at theprecipice of unleashing that on
purpose and just letting it bewhat it is and embracing it.
And I also love books Like Ican't get enough of them.
Amber Annette (49:26):
Yeah, there's something also really powerful
about Like I'm going to say,like the mountains are calling,
like I get the images ofmountains, and like the sun
setting, like there is, you havegot to honor that.
She's telling me anything aboutthat for you.
(49:48):
Well, yeah, I have been.
Meagan Norris (49:51):
Like I said before, we recorded, called to
Denver in the mountains.
I love the mountains and Itried to move there in the fall
and it didn't work out with myex.
He was on board and then hechanged his mind and I was so
sad at the time and it, but Ididn't give up on it.
(50:13):
I just thought it's not forright now, but a sunset and the
mountains.
I'm just freaked out becausethat is my Thing.
I stand out on the deck of thisrental house and I close my
eyes at sunset and I envisionthat scene Instead of what I'm
(50:37):
looking at.
It's coming, it's coming, she'scoming, but I didn't know it
was coming, coming, coming.
Amber Annette (50:47):
She's there so good.
Oh my God, I don't know what tosay.
Meagan Norris (50:52):
Well, say you enjoyed being on the podcast.
Amber Annette (50:55):
This is magical.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Anything else you want to?
Meagan Norris (51:00):
share with our audience.
Amber Annette (51:01):
We always put shown like ways to connect with
you and your website and yoursocial media avenues all in our
show notes.
But, megan, this was absolutelyglorious.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Thank you, amber, for having me.
Meagan Norris (51:21):
This was really special, thank you.
Amber Annette (51:26):
And until next time, go be in your magic.
See you soon.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode.
I hope it inspired and ignitedyour entrepreneurial spirit, in
turn of your intuition and trustin the universe.
Make sure to check out the shownotes For access to my
(51:47):
transformation suite all of freeresources, tools and content to
help you grow your businesswhile staying true to your
soul's purpose.
Until next week, go make somebusiness magic.
Soul sister.
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