October 17, 2023 • 53 mins
Just imagine for a moment: What if success was more than just your bank balance or the societal expectations you're supposed to live up to? We tackle this hefty question with leadership coach Heather Chauvin in our candid conversation about redefining success for women in business. Heather beautifully illustrates the concept that true success is a deeply personal feeling, something that needs to be defined on our own terms and not by society's checkboxes.
That's only the tip of the iceberg. Our chat delves into the crux of identity and how our busyness can shape it - often to our detriment. Together, we explore how to navigate the changing seasons of life that bring about uncomfortable feelings, and the necessity of filling up our spaces with meaningful pursuits. From releasing the shackles of labels and relationships, to intentionally seeking discomfort for growth, we lay it all bare. Plus, Heather's profound realization that one day none of it will matter will undoubtedly leave you pondering.
Finally, we venture into the realm of emotions and spiritual gifts, a journey that Heather narrates through her own powerful experiences. We discuss how embracing the darkness can uncover the messages our souls are trying to communicate, and how our deepest emotions can be our conduit to connecting with others. Heather's story serves as a powerful reminder that our darkest moments can be the most healing. Join us, as we explore this compelling conversation about finding our soul's purpose and learning to live, work, and parent on our own terms.
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Amber Annette (00:02):
Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the
show that helps you ignite yoursoul's purpose, turn up your
creativity and activate salesand marketing magic.
I'm your host, amber Annette,and I'm thrilled to be here with
you today to explore the depthof what it means to be a woman
in business.
I believe that business is morethan just making money.
It's about making a differenceand making your mark.
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So sit back, get present andlet's dive in and uncover the
secrets to building a businesswith soul, purpose and magic.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Business Psychic.
I'm Amber Annette, your host,and today's guest is truly such
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an exceptional human beingHeather Chauvin.
She is a leadership coach whohelps successful women
courageously and authenticallylive, work and parent on their
own terms.
Heather started her career as asocial worker, helping adults
understand children's behavior,but it wasn't until 2013 when a
stage four cancer diagnosispushed her to take a change,
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uncovering how culturalexpectations sabotage our dreams
.
She has been featured in Forbes, entrepreneur, real Simple
Magazine, mind, body, green,google and so many more.
Let me tell you, when Heatherisn't working, you're going to
find her living out andpreaching out what she teaches.
She could be kayaking in Alaska, snowboarding, hiking or doing
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anything else that challengeswhat she believes is possible
for herself, and she brings herkids along for the journey.
Life is full of opportunities.
It's time to feel alive and itis time to introduce you to
Heather Heather.
Thank you so much for beinghere, thank you.
Heather Chauvin (01:47):
Amber, I need to update my bio.
That says dragging my childrenalong with me Because they're
like what is mom going to makeus do now?
Amber Annette (01:56):
I feel you there and I don't know Like I can't
remember the genders of yourkids.
But I have four kids.
My daughter is my oldest, sheis 28.
And then I have a 24, 16, andnine-year-old son.
So like to try to get my kidsto do anything with me at least
my boys is like ridiculous.
Now my 28-year-old daughterlike of course we can do all the
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things.
Now, all the things now.
So I feel you there.
Heather Chauvin (02:21):
Yeah, I have three boys, 19,.
They're changing ages soon, soit's like 19, 13, and 11.
And yeah, it's like I'm likewhat is your currency of choice?
I will give that to you if youcome and do this thing.
So some are adventure seekers,Some are like I need the
controlled consistency.
It's fascinating to watch.
Amber Annette (02:44):
I, you know, when I was reading through your bio,
there was something that Iwanted to go back and touch on,
a couple of things.
So, number one when I'm readingyour bio I don't know if you
know this or remember this, butyou have the quotations around
the word successful and lately Ihave really kind of been, you
know, like whenever we'recreating content for our
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businesses or messaging thatkind of thing, one of the things
I always say is helping womenreach their next level of
success, and lately I've beensuper struggling with that word
success.
So I think it's interestingwhen I'm reading through your
bio, successful women is like inquotation marks.
So I want to let's just startthere.
I have, you know, I've been Ithink this is maybe my like 25th
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episode now and I have kind ofgot away from the scripts and
like to do more of like theintuitive in the moment and
there's something that's reallyspeaking and calling to me about
that.
So tell me why it's inquotation marks, tell me what
successful means to you.
Let's dive in there.
Heather Chauvin (03:46):
So I'm like we don't have a lot of time for me
to go into this whole thing ofwhy I have issues with the term
success.
But I also think it's like thisthing on a pedestal, especially
for women, of what externallylooks successful for people,
whether it's how much money isin your bank account, what car
you're driving, what you looklike and we've been taught that
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go after this thing.
Once you achieve it, you willthen be successful.
And with my whole journey, Ihave found myself over and over
again being like not this, notthis, not this.
But I'm checking the boxes ofwhat everyone else tells you
that you're supposed to do.
And part of that for me was oneI became a mother at a very
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early age.
I was 18 years old and I lookedat my son for the first time
and I thought two things one, Inever want you to feel the way
that I did as a child.
And two, I don't want to failyou, and I didn't know at the
time that the primal fear I hadwas fear failure, as like a
woman and what a good mothermeant.
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And so I started doing all thethings that success was supposed
to be.
I'm checking the boxes andculturally I'm getting the like
oh, you're great, you're doinggreat, and my insides were like
dying, like my soul was leavingmy body, and I'm like this is
not success to me.
And so I use air quotes forsuccess, because to me it's a
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feeling, and everyone needs todefine that on their terms, not
what we've been taughtexternally.
Amber Annette (05:24):
And I think, like I don't know how, like this is
not a word like that grammicallymakes sense, but like I want,
I'm like un-un-successing myselfright now, actually in life.
You know, I'm like uncheckingall of those boxes that I have
worked incredibly hard.
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Isn't that interesting too?
You know, let's talk aboutworking hard.
I worked so hard to like, checkall these boxes right.
Big, beautiful home, gorgeousboat spot, the Range Rover, like
all the things right, all thethings that those were the
things that I wanted, those werethe things that I that made me
happy at one point.
But all of a sudden they don't.
And so what do you think about?
(06:07):
Like and I'm hearing this andseeing this more and more are
you where, like women are justall of a sudden like, redefining
, like all of it, redefininggoals, redefining what
intentions are, redefining whatwork means.
I struggle so much in sayinglike, oh, I have to work today
because it doesn't feel likework.
I don't want to work, I don'twant to work harder, I don't
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want to work smarter either.
I like, I just feel like thereis something happening on a
bigger level as a collective,especially with women who have
been part of this hustle culturetowards that check in those
freaking boxes.
Heather Chauvin (06:45):
Yeah, so 10 years ago I was diagnosed with a
stage four cancer and nineyears before that I was into
personal development and the onething that I did not do so at
my diagnosis it was veryapparent that wasn't my
spiritual awakening.
That was one of many.
I was like this is like a roadbump, like a bump in a road.
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I've had multiple before thatdiagnosis, but that was the
moment where I realized I needto deeply trust myself and I
always talk about reverseengineering, how you want to
feel.
I'm like, how do I want to feel?
How do I want to feel, how do Iwant to feel.
And it's been fascinatingbecause, especially lately, like
I just I'm going to call itpost COVID, but everyone's like,
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oh, it's changing, this ishappening, da, da, da.
And like there's a cultureshift.
Well, the only reason why youhave a cultural shift is because
everyone's like, yeah, I'mgoing to jump on that bandwagon,
I'm going to jump on to thatstory.
And I have had to watch myselfenergetically be like that's
just not aligned for me.
And I found that in this seasonof my life, the and I say
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season because I've been beenpracticing this for 10 years,
but in this particular season,the external energy has felt
like stronger, that I have hadto really harness my internal
boundaries, like my emotionalboundaries, my physical
boundaries, like I get sofucking triggered Can I, can I
swear, oh yeah, we stay, fuckhere all the time.
(08:12):
I get so fucking triggered whenpeople are like I know you're
busy, I'm like I am not busy,you are just not a priority in
my life, like and I don't say itthat abruptly, but it's like I
know you're busy, so you don'thave time to do this, and I'm
like it's just not somethingthat's aligned for me.
I don't enjoy doing that.
Therefore, I say no, thank you,but I get so fucking triggered
(08:36):
I know you're busy, you don'tknow me, you don't know my life,
you don't know how I feel today, you don't know what my
priorities are.
Stop projecting that the onlyreason why I say no is because I
don't have time.
I have a lot of time for thingsthat matter to me and things
that I prioritize and that Ivalue.
I do not have time for the shitthat you just say hey, can I
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put this on your plate?
And I think that is the bigculture shift.
Is why?
Just because I have time?
Why am I saying yes?
To fill my time with all thisextra crap.
So I'm doing less better andI'm decreasing my time.
I'm decreasing my time betterand I'm decluttering like a mofo
.
Amber Annette (09:18):
I got in the habit of, you know, I think
everybody just gets in the habitof saying I'm so busy and
probably, I don't know, sixmonths ago or so, I started
shifting to the word I'm focusedright now, so I can't do that.
I love that, and saying I'mfocused brings a different
energy for me in the moment andI think it gives them a reframe
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too of being like we have to getout of the I'm busy, I'm busy.
I'm busy.
I mean at least in my, in my apin tuition I call it my a pin
tuition where it's like a blendof my opinion and intuition.
I love that.
Heather Chauvin (09:55):
I also love the whole focus thing over I'm at
capacity, because capacity alsofeels like I'm full, which is
true.
It just has more of like anicer way of saying I'm busy.
I love that I'm focused rightnow.
Amber Annette (10:10):
I think what's really interesting when you talk
about like filling up thatcalendar, heather, is you know
I've shared with my audience andyou know I'm in the midst of a
divorce and One of the thingsthat I have noticed is I am
uncomfortable sometimes withspace.
I am uncomfortable with nothaving the calendar full of
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clients or a, a happy hour to goto with my girlfriends or a
weekend filled with sportsactivities, kids stuff,
groceries, errands, all thethings.
I'm uncomfortable with thatbecause my whole life Up until
now has not been that.
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It's been Balls to the wallfrom, like you know, six am Till
10 pm.
So what do you hear inside ofthat and what are you seeing
kind of you know like with yourclients and with women that your
peers around like what do youdo with that space?
Heather Chauvin (11:13):
The one I think we're addicted to busy, we're
addicted to being of service toother people.
We get a lot of value from itand then it shapes our identity.
And so, regardless of why weyou know there's we're always in
different seasons of our life.
But the second you're like,okay, I want capacity, or like
more space and time, and then weget it.
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It's so emotionallyuncomfortable Because our brain,
like it's, it's shaking up ouridentity.
But our brain is also like thisis not Normal, like this is not
our normal state of being,where I think of where I am
today versus where I was 10years ago or 20 years ago.
I Mean I look at my old self orI have a friend that's kind of
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living my old life and I'm like,oh god, I would not go back
there.
So it just takes time for us tolike get situated in this new
skin and how we, how we, show upin the world.
But it is so fascinating to meto watch where I'm like you can
have a desire for something likea desire for I'm gonna use more
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a desire for a feeling, adesire for space.
You get the space and you'relike, oh shit, now what do I do
with the feelings that I wasavoiding?
Now that I have the space, it'sjust fascinating to watch, but
as long as you're willing to sitwith it and it eventually
subsides.
And then you get to fill thespace with the beauty or
whatever Else you're craving,but making sure you're not just
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filling it because you'reuncomfortable.
I.
Amber Annette (12:44):
Find also like I don't know what I want to do
with that time.
You know, yeah, so we'vestarted yet.
Yes, yeah, so we've started.
Our parenting schedule is oneweek on, one week off.
So, and even the weeks that Idon't like, you know, the boys
don't stay here with me I go totheir sports stuff, all the
things, but it's like what doyou?
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What do you do?
You know, who are you whenyou're not being a mom?
Who are you when I'm not with aclient?
It brings up a side of me thatI've never, I've never known
before, and I feel like so manywomen are craving that right now
to find out who they arewithout all of those labels that
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they have been living like.
Who?
Who just am I?
And I'm not scared of a lot ofthings, but it's a scary space
to sit in.
It's like beyond uncomfortable.
I mean, sometimes I'm just likeshit, I'm just gonna go to bed.
Heather Chauvin (13:43):
You know, I I don't know when it was, but my
business started growing anddoing Incredibly well and it was
like a I don't want to call ita rinse and repeat process, but
it business growth isuncomfortable, but when you get
your systems and processes, it'sa rinse and repeat.
And what I found, and what I'veseen people do, is keep blowing
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up certain areas of their lifebecause they're seeking that
like adventure or adrenalinerush.
And I had to consciously choosethat outside of my mothering,
like outside of my personalrelationships, like not over
nurturing or over like okay,what can I do for you?
How can I manage your life andyour future?
And then I had to do thatoutside of my business and it
was like, who am I?
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And I started going on thisadventure and asking myself, how
do I want to feel?
And Just journaling, likewouldn't it be nice if and I
wasn't allowed to write downanything that had to do with
Business or parenting or mymarriage.
It was like wouldn't it be niceif I felt amazing in my body?
Wouldn't it be nice if everyFriday I went for a three-hour
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hike?
Wouldn't it be nice if I couldjust spend my time and energy in
as much art as I possibly could, like just random little
nuggets of desire.
And then I started puttingthose things on my calendar and
the amount of resistance that Ihave around following through
with that three-hour hike onFriday because, ooh, that
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special email came in that I canact on, or, oh, my kid needs me
.
It's funny to watch, but it'slike you have to choose.
It's like changing the currentwithin yourself, but getting I
mean now I doing endurance racesbecause I'm a wackadoodle and I
enjoy.
I'm like trying to get the highfrom something else rather than
blowing up these areas of mylife for causing drama on them.
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So it's fascinating to watch toput myself in uncomfortable
situations, to growintentionally rather than yeah,
it's, it's.
It's interesting being in adifferent, a different level
where you're like I'm just doingthis thing because I want to.
It has no attachment to arelationship or a revenue I.
Amber Annette (15:50):
It summarizes, like how we send the call
together, where we were.
Like you said, this fuckingjourney, this fucking journey.
Heather Chauvin (16:01):
And does it even make sense, like you know,
when I stopped being so seriousabout what's my purpose.
What, like my purpose?
Is to feel as good as possible,but at the end of that, like
the opposite of that is To feelas shitty as possible, like to
feel the depths of my fears andmy grief so that I can let enjoy
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.
And then one day it just stops,and then, whatever our beliefs
are after that, and then, ahundred years from now, no one's
gonna remember us, no one.
Scary.
I say that every time someone'slike being so serious.
My hundred years from now, noone's gonna, nobody's gonna
remember you.
And I think you like that song.
Amber Annette (16:42):
Oh, my gosh too.
You know, like, I don't know ifyou've ever seen the meme where
the guy's like okay, let's nottake this meeting we're about to
go into, let's remember, we'reall souls inside these, like
human meat skins.
So, like, like, let's also justremember that before we start
talking about this week's budget.
Heather Chauvin (16:57):
You know, I don't know if you've ever seen
the meme, but every time I seeit that's a good meeting starter
.
I'm gonna do that.
Amber Annette (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, like, let's just not forget we're
we're souls here to experiencethe, and that's so much bigger
than this budget we're about totalk about you know, puts that
in money, doesn't even reallyexist, but yet we need it and
like the material world.
It's our exchange, it's ourcurrency.
Yeah, we, we, we chose that.
Yeah, I think you know whenyou're talking about that
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three-hour hike and you know alot of you know the women that
I'm connected with.
To they they feel guilty.
You know the, the mom guilt,the wife guilt.
Like I, even when I'm by myself, I feel guilty for Allowing
myself to do the things that Iwant to do to evoke the emotions
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that I want to feel.
Mm-hmm, I'm on this big.
I love creativity and like, butI'm not like a good artist by
any means.
So diamond art, because itgives me the pattern and I get
to make it pretty, or paint bynumbers, like those things make
me happy because I'm just notnaturally talented at that way
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and I feel guilty, like enjoyingit, having a glass of red wine,
listening to Adele.
I Feel guilty, and so manywomen feel so guilty for just
allowing themselves to feel thepleasure, feel the whatever
emotion is, just for the sake offeeling it.
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Why do we do that other?
Heather Chauvin (18:31):
I don't know.
That's my answer.
All I know is you.
I think it's a collective thatwe're all experiencing.
I think the more we accept itrather than trying to go down
this rabbit hole of why I meanlet's patriarchy lineage, the
design of the female brain.
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But it's funny because the onlypeople I ever hear talk about
guilt is women.
Never men, I'd never barely.
I know that's not true, butvery rarely they talk about fear
.
But the definition of guilt isI did something bad.
Shame is I am bad.
So we think we're doingsomething bad.
Ooh, I ate that cookie.
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Ooh, I'm sitting here enjoyingmyself.
I mean, I still experienceguilt and shame and fear and
overwhelm and I've just acceptedthat that is part of the human
experience.
But I have to lean into.
You can call it joy, you cancall it whatever, but that
moment like you'll be sittingthere and you're it's like grief
, like you're just doodadoo, wow, I'm really enjoying this.
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And then wha-bam, it justwashes over you and you're like
what WTF?
What just happened here?
So I actually purposely leaninto it and sit with it.
When I started my business, Ifelt guilty, like I'd have one
kid on the boob.
I'm rocking the other one.
I remember just sitting in myoffice and one of the kids has a
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toddler coming and knocking onthe door and I could feel the
guilt of working for an hour andI would physically just sit in
my guilt and say I'll be rightthere, and I actually would
physically sit in it until itleft and then I would get up.
I was like I want to take theaction of getting up and
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transitioning from a place oflike, not from guilt.
You get what I'm saying.
Like I didn't want to live fromguilt, you don't want to take
action from that place 100%.
So I would sit and feel thefeeling, let it pass, and then I
would get up and transition.
But I'm like, if I allow guiltto run my life, I am going to
become ragingly angry andresentful at the people I love
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and just from my personalexperience, my soul will say
screw you, bitch.
If you are not going to fulfillyour purpose or alignment in
this lifetime, I'm gonna leaveyour body and I'm gonna go in
somebody else's body, causethat's my kind of core belief is
like.
The soul will be like hey, thisis what you're doing, like this
is what you're supposed to bedoing.
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It will send you nuggets, itwill push you, and if you just
keep neglecting it it will.
You'll have like a little souldeath and it will just be like
all right, I'm gonna go hang outin someone else's body that
wants to pay attention to me,cause that's what I truly
believe was happening to me when, I got diagnosed.
Amber Annette (21:17):
You know it makes me think of the book by
Elizabeth Gilbert, big Magic.
She talks about ideas.
The way that you are talkingabout emotions right now, and
I've never had anybody explainand express the way that ideas
come to me and through me theway that she did when she wrote
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that book it just it resonatedon so many levels.
The way ideas will like hoverand I can feel them almost.
They have a it was almost likea texture before I take them in.
But the way that you'redescribing emotion here, it
almost feels the same thing Likewhen that wave comes in and I
think sometimes it's hard todiscern.
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Is this mine?
I mean, and I do.
I mean I do this stuff, I dothis work.
You know I do the inner work.
I am highly sensitive to energyand as a psychic medium I mean I
have stuff coming in all thetime.
But the way that you justdescribed the wave of a guilt
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coming through and sitting withit and staying with it, have you
ever connected that?
I think this is even anassignment I'm gonna give myself
to kind of sit with when thosewaves of emotion come up.
Are there other messages thatare coming in that we're missing
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in the emotion because we're sointo the emotion.
Are there other?
You know, I connect with thosewho have crossed over and it
makes me wonder if, when thosewaves of emotion come, are there
.
Is there spiritual energycoming too that is right along
with it that we're missing.
Have you ever thought of itthat way before?
Heather Chauvin (23:03):
I wanna say yes and and I know I feel like
that's what you teach me Likethe more because it's so you
have to be, you have to sit andlisten to yourself and if we are
culturally conditioned to justgo, go, go go.
So I'll give you an example.
When you and I met in St Luciaat the, I had to leave early and
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you did a quick reading and Ihad to leave for a friend slash
clients funeral.
Amber Annette (23:33):
Oh, yes, I remember that.
Heather Chauvin (23:35):
And I went to her funeral and I was a fricking
puddle and I thought I wasgonna be all not stoic, but just
I'm saying Heather Chauvin, I'musing air quotes like an alter
ego of like I'll inspireeverybody and I just I was a
puddle and I was like I'm herfriend and I'm really sad that
she's gone.
And I said to her mother I saidI think your daughter came to
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me when she did two years agolike came back into my life
because she was preparing toleave her body.
But she was telling me she'sgonna give me some extra energy
and like boost me, because shewas very passionate about my
message and but she never likewent full into it.
Like in her physical body shealways like shrunk and like
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stayed small.
Anyways, about two weeks ago Iwoke up at four o'clock in the
morning, which I never do, and Iwas usually, if I wake up that
early, I'm having a panic attackor something but I was like
full of energy and I was likeready to start the day and I sat
there.
I actually I was probablythinking about you, cause I was
like Amber probably thinks I'mit's my little psychic abilities
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coming out, but anyway, I hadthis like strong desire to reach
out to her mother and it was afeeling.
So I get like these feelings.
I don't associate it with aperson or an, or a spirit or an
energy like crossing over and Isaid exactly to her mother what
I felt called to say and I was alittle I think I'm pushing my
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boundary here and her mom waslike I was just praying to her
to send me a sign.
And so when you talk about theguilt and the feelings, I think
there is a next level to it,Like, but we just immediately
attached to I'm supposed to feelbad.
So I'm just gonna sit in thisyuckiness and I'm gonna feel my
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feelings.
But if you're digging, you knowa little bit, it's like and
you're asking those deeperquestions of who's who's is this
Like?
Is this just my lineage?
Is this like a past life?
Like what is this?
I'm just enjoying a glass ofwine and doing a paint by
numbers, like.
Am I really that bad of aperson in this moment?
Amber Annette (25:55):
It's just, it's making me okay.
So, first of all, our listenerscan't see what's behind you,
like I'm loving all of these,like little dots that are about
to come together.
And it says emotionallyuncomfortable.
And I have never connected thatsitting in a space of feeling
those emotions could also bepart of my gift trying to
connect to others that can givewisdom, spiritual insight,
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healing, guidance, comfort tothe uncomfortable.
You know, I think there's adifference between the two.
Like I believe in beinguncomfortable I really do and
yet you can have some comfortgiven to you during that time,
you know.
So I have never, in 10 years ofthousands of points of
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connection, ever thought of thetimes when I'm alone, I'm by
myself, I'm sad, I'm frustrated,I'm mad.
That that is a point of tospirit.
Ever I've, like I am throughthis conversation, I'm like
almost like I can't wait to havea reaction.
So, for example, like we'vetalked about yesterday, I told
you that yesterday was one ofthe hardest days of my life.
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I wrote about it actually in anemail that went out today,
which is September 14th, butthis won't be out for a couple
more weeks.
So if you wanna go back andread it, you can, but I was
sobbing yesterday in a way thatI just is like out of the norm
for me.
I mean like hot mess express,like couldn't talk, like I mean
(27:27):
it was brutal and yet in themoment, if I would have probably
just taken a couple seconds toget grounded in the moment,
allow myself to feel theconnection.
I bet there was a message therefor me and I bet I missed it.
I'm just like I literally Idon't know if you are like
(27:48):
feeling how I'm feeling aboutthis, but I've never, ever
directly correlated my emotionalstate to a point of connection
with spirit, the way that I amin this moment.
Heather Chauvin (27:58):
I cannot wait for it to like happen Seriously
For you to send me a message andbe like.
I guess what happened today.
Amber Annette (28:05):
Yes, I'm gonna like spirit is healing.
It's like kind of coming to mein this moment from it.
Heather Chauvin (28:12):
I remember well .
I was gonna say like some ofthe most healing moments I had
were in my darkest moments, likeduring my diagnosis I had so
many were my.
I couldn't run away from myfeelings, like I was in a
hospital room, nobody's around,I'm like by myself and I just
had to go into the feeling, gointo the fear.
(28:36):
And I remember physically beinglike I'm free in this space,
I'm going to be okay, like justthis.
It's like I always say theseemotions are like your children
that you didn't know you had.
They're just like I need aglass of water.
I need a glass of water.
I need a glass of water.
You stop, you pay attention andwhatever language you use,
(28:57):
whatever intuitive likeconnection you have, if you pay
attention to it and just getcurious rather than like I'm
intellectually feeling guiltyright now and I'm telling you
this from my head, but you'rejust deepening into it, like
these are breadcrumbs, like wewant the little.
We're like what's my purpose?
(29:17):
Where am I supposed to go?
What am I supposed to do next?
I don't fucking know.
Sit with your shit and feel itand that's where the magic
happens.
But I'm so curious.
You're going to send me amessage in the next few days and
tell me what happened.
Amber Annette (29:29):
I am, and I want you to hear this because I'm so
this is just kind of coming infor you in this moment.
Those heart palpitations you'vebeen having, you need to
understand there's nothingactually happening with your
physical heart.
It is your spiritual heart thatis like palpitating.
It is spiritual experience.
(29:52):
Your physical body is trying tomatch that of a spiritual
energy coming into your spaceand that's that like almost like
electromagnetic feeling is.
It can feel scary, it can feellike holy shit, I'm like not
even 40.
Am I having a heart attack?
Like what is this?
So is that something you'vebeen experiencing or feeling?
Heather Chauvin (30:14):
100%, I've also .
I have moments where I willhave this weird like I will be
talking to somebody and then I'mlike, I have this moment of
like you're going to die.
It's very weird.
It's not fear, though, butthere's something that happens.
So it's the same thing as theheart palpitation of, like the
(30:34):
universe.
The energy is like likebringing it all in together,
where it's like tune in, tune in.
Amber Annette (30:43):
It is not.
It is not your actual physicalhuman heart.
It is like the spiritual energyof your heart.
It is the energy around you,and when I say spiritual energy,
I really mean like those twohave crossed over.
I really I mean it is your giftof mediumship trying to come
forward.
It is Like I feel like I'vetold you that before, but I
(31:05):
really want you to feel thattoday, like when that especially
if you're waking up in themiddle of the night with it is
that true?
Heather Chauvin (31:15):
No, not with the heart, but I am waking up.
Earlier I thought it was like Iwas like peri-metaposal, but I
I'm getting up more, with moreenergy, like in the middle of
the night.
It's it's trying to wake me up.
Amber Annette (31:29):
Yeah, for sure.
And that's like you know, ifyou've ever read anything, it's
like when the veil between ourour human realm and the
spiritual realm is the thinnest,it's when the noise is the
quietest, it's when theconnection point is the
strongest.
So, in I usually get woke up inthe middle of the night and it
freaks me out.
Even still, to this day, I'llget the heart palpitations,
(31:50):
knowing that it's really just amessage trying to come through,
and it could be for you too, youknow, I think that's one thing
that's like I'm being remindedof in this moment is that, like
I can receive messages formyself too.
I don't always have to be theclear channel for everybody else
.
I can be a clear channel formyself.
(32:11):
If I sit in the emotion andfeel it.
There's going to be a messagethere and that's like really
what I'm.
Really.
I've always steered clear ofthe tears, you know.
I've always steered clear ofthe.
You know I don't want to be onthat lower part of the you know
emotional spectrum, let's callit.
(32:31):
I don't want to feel sad, Idon't want to feel frustrated, I
don't want to feel guilty, Iwant to feel good, I want to
feel joy, I want to feel light,and so I just do my part to like
try to get there as quickly aspossible, and it's making me in
this moment realize that maybethere's something on that other
side that isn't as bad as Ithink it is.
It can maybe even bring me to alevel I've ever been before.
Heather Chauvin (32:55):
Yes and it's.
They're not bad.
We've labeled them as bad, andthen the wellness culture loves
to sprinkle some spiritualbypassing and toxicity on that
shit and it's the funny thing isis like it passes so quickly.
It's like the joy is there,what you desire is there, but
feel it.
And something that you just saidabout the heart palpitations my
(33:17):
brain will go to or it's notalways the heart, but like a
weird feeling, like an awkwardfeeling.
My brain will go to fear forlike a split second.
And then the second I go backto trust, like trusting my body,
trusting myself.
I'm like, okay, what do I needto know?
What is this?
But I think what you're well,not what you're saying.
(33:37):
You're reminding me to like, goback to like the knowing, which
is fascinating, because I findsome of the women that have the
most difficult time with me inseeing results are the ones that
refuse to go there.
They're always like in theirhead or they're trying.
They're like I just want thejoy, I don't want to go there,
and I'm like just go there forthe minute.
(33:58):
And then they go.
They're like, oh, that wasn'tthat bad.
I'm like, yeah, I'm not do thatone more million times, but
they won't go there.
They're like I'm safer up here.
I'm safer up here.
I'm like, no, you're not likeyou're craving down here, but
you've got to go there.
But it's the vulnerability ofcrossing over.
Amber Annette (34:13):
This is good stuff, girl.
Okay, now, in true the businesspsychic fashion I know you
haven't I'm really excited.
I get so excited when peopleactually it sounds like
counterintuitive but I getexcited.
But my guests haven't listenedto like episodes or full
episodes because they don't knowwhat's coming at the end.
Okay, it should also start tobe like a prerequisite.
(34:36):
So yours is going to be alittle bit different today.
Heather Chauvin (34:39):
I'm just glad I've experienced you like in the
flash previously, because thatcould be intimidating if I
didn't.
Amber Annette (34:47):
Oh, yeah, like it was amazing.
Yeah, we were.
You were one of those peoplewho, like I know it sounds like
cheesy or cliche, but I was like, oh, she felt like home.
Like you feel like like instant, like an instant.
You know, I didn't instantly,we, I felt just comfortable in
(35:07):
your space or you being in myspace.
You know, there's just thosepeople that you get to meet
every once in a while and wejust had that.
I love those instant momentswhere you're just like, oh,
that's my person.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So I'm going to tap this.
I know we haven't chatted forquite a while about business, so
I mean, I know you have someretreats coming up, but I'm
(35:28):
excited to see what comesforward.
And then I'm going to ask you avery important question.
That audience knows what I'mgoing to ask, but you don't know
which is really exciting, okay,so give me a second here.
So the way that I'm kind ofseeing your business right now,
(35:50):
the universe is giving me likethis image of like a beautiful,
like oak tree, you know, withlike the big kind of like cool
hole in the middle of it, andwhat it's showing me is there's
like this big, beautiful, bigbranch that is about to come off
(36:10):
of your business, which I'venever seen this image before
from spirit.
I've never seen this as likethe analogy, but I believe
what's coming forward here is anew aspect of your business, a
new branch of your business thatis very complimentary to what
you're doing now, but different.
I also get this strong innatesense that I don't know if
(36:37):
you've always been like justcurious about like herbs or
plant medicine or somethingalong those lines, or if you've
ever been even interested inlike homeopathic options,
naturopath if that is somethinglike you've been curious about,
I really want you to like.
(36:58):
I feel like 2024 is a yearyou're going to go really deep
into that for some reason,health wise.
That's not the reason.
It's more of just like I.
It's a curiosity that you keepjust like learning and learning
and learning more about theactual physical healing aspects
of the physical body in thoseareas.
I don't necessarily know thatthat is part of that new branch
(37:24):
that I'm seeing, but could betied together or be a limb off
of that branch.
I feel like I also am going touse the word investment.
I feel like you're going tomake some investments this year
and things that you haven'tinvested in before, where
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typically in yourself or a coachor a business or something
along a business you know,strategist, or a Facebook ads,
something business related Ifeel like there's new
investments you're making, maybein other businesses that are
going to ridiculously lucrative,like below your mind,
(38:08):
ridiculously lucrative.
So also something you've been.
The word curious is coming inreally strongly for you, heather
.
I feel like following thatwhite rabbit is safe for you,
like I actually want you to godown some rabbit holes this year
.
That's like that's what there's, like that's where Wonderland
(38:30):
is.
So don't have like you have astrong intuition and you follow
it.
Now I want you to also likeblend those curiosities with
your intuition.
It just feels like really fun,playful, like breath of fresh
air, just new coming in.
So anything about that kind ofshowing up for you or feel right
(38:53):
or yes, and so I have found so.
Heather Chauvin (38:59):
When I wrote darkness retreats, I'm actually
obsessed with how our bodies canheal itself without substance,
so I'm very curious about adarkness retreat.
Do you know what a darknessretreat is?
I do not, so it's like a silentmeditation, but you're in a
cave in complete darkness byyourself for a few days, and I
(39:24):
know literally like a rabbithole.
Correct.
But you know what my obsessionis with this.
I've never felt completelydrawn to like ayahuasca or plant
medicine, and when I'm watchingthese people's testimonials,
like I'm just, I'm just drawn toit.
But what I'm drawn to isthey're like I am the medicine.
I didn't need something else toingest to get me to that state.
(39:48):
I got myself to that state andI've had very similar
experiences when I was likeduring my cancer treatment,
where I was like someone's likeoh, you should do plant medicine
.
I'm like I took chemo.
I've had my own plant medicineexperience.
Like when you were justcompletely surrendered and
facing like your depths of yourfear.
That is the rabbit hole I'mobsessed with, which is like
(40:12):
what is fear?
Like what is actually fear andwhy does it drive so many
people's lives?
Investments I've been such a,so curious about being an angel
investor and wealth building forwomen like just obsessed with
it.
Like people going, I'm going tobe a coach and I'm going to
make a million dollars and it'slike and then what?
And then what?
(40:32):
Like just obsession withhelping other people thrive and
utilizing resources to do so.
So everything you're sayingthere's like little breadcrumbs
there.
I'm also not attached to any ofit Like meaning I don't like
plans, I don't like I'm.
So the more I grow, the moreI'm like.
Let's see what falls in my lap,like after this conversation.
(40:55):
I believe that I'm going to getan email, a text message,
something's going to fall intomy lap.
I'm going to have aconversation with someone and
I'm like Amber, omg, guess whathappened.
Amber Annette (41:08):
And it feels like , I think, that the our best
position we can possibly be inis is is in a space of radical
unattachment.
So I love it.
I love it so and I'm curious.
I can't wait to hear how, like,what shakes out and what comes
in.
Heather Chauvin (41:26):
I do feel like my body, although it's thriving,
has a physical reaction ofresistance, so it's not
manifesting in symptoms Like I'mnot like worried or scared.
It's like that old, it justfeels like old energy is there,
like I'm I'm, like I'm tired,but I know I'm not.
Yeah, sure, I'm, probably I'madrenal fatigue, like what woman
(41:49):
isn't, but like it's thisfatigue of it feels like old
energy that just wants to comeup and out.
But I'm still energized at thesame time, if that makes sense.
Amber Annette (42:01):
What are you going to do to release it?
I want to get back to my rootsof energy healing, like getting
to the roots of I think I'mgoing to take it's interesting
you're using the word roots andI saw a tree for you, yeah.
Heather Chauvin (42:12):
Roots, of energy, healing and curiosity
there, of maybe even just goingto like a weekend who knows,
there's something there butgetting back to roots and also
just letting it be, being it, bewhat it is and being like you
can hang around, but I'll listento you.
(42:33):
But I'm not going to act out offear because you're here and
I'm also not going to surrenderor shrink because you're here.
But it feels like it's sohealthy, where old, my old body
I say old body, I'm going to saya few years ago it would shut
down on me and now it doesn'tshut down.
It's just like, oh God, hereshe goes again.
(42:53):
Like it's like holding on tolike a roller coaster, but it
feels good, like there's magiccoming.
I can feel it, I'm in magic nowand more magic is coming and I
just get to like tiptoe and becurious rather than like, all
right, let's go, we got to dothis, come on.
Amber Annette (43:08):
Yeah.
Heather Chauvin (43:09):
Yeah, I'm not in a hurry.
Yeah, no, I do have a questionfor you though.
Yes, since hearing your woo, Ido this weird thing with lead
generation.
Okay, so in the last year, Iwas telling myself a story of
like I don't know how to attractnew people.
(43:29):
And yet most of the people thatcome to me listen to my podcast
and say I don't even know how Ifound your podcast.
It just like showed up on myphone one day and I listened to
it and my soul was like thiswoman is my next teacher and I
just filled out the applicationand did it and I'm like that's
it, that's a trust, like thesouls will be attracted that
(43:51):
need you.
And then there's this masculinethat comes in.
That's like to scale, you needto do more, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like not really Like.
Yes, there is strategy there, Iget the strategic behind that,
but it's there's a, there's a.
I don't want to say it's a clog.
It's not a clog, but it's like.
(44:11):
I'm like I don't know how to dothis and yet I have done it.
Amber Annette (44:15):
Yeah, so one of my favorite things that I like
to say is my energy is biggerthan the algorithm.
Heather Chauvin (44:23):
I love that.
Amber Annette (44:26):
And I believe that a the clients were meant to
serve the universe is going tosend our way.
I've had the same experienceand I've only had my podcast for
a couple months and I've hadnew clients and new people and
new experiences come from mejust being me and putting this
content out into the world.
(44:47):
And so what's coming to me inthis is going back a few steps
right.
When you feel that I want to gocreate this podcast, I want to
go blank, right.
I don't know if you feel theway that I feel when I podcast,
but, heather, I am so incrediblypresent with you in this moment
(45:11):
.
I have no idea what else isgoing on in this world.
Heather Chauvin (45:13):
Yeah.
Amber Annette (45:14):
And I think that here, when I podcast, I hope
that you feel it in my audiencelist listening feels how
passionate I am and how presentI am with what is coming to me
and through me in the moment formyself, for my listeners and
for my guests.
And when we are so present likethat, it is absolutely
impossible for us to not be in azone of attraction attraction
(45:37):
of clients, income opportunities, events, experiences, people
that are going to rendezvouswith us to bring us to our next
point of success.
It is hesitant to say success,but for the lack of other human
words, I am going to say success, right.
So just know that your energyin those moments are so much
(46:01):
bigger than anything any fuckingFacebook ad could ever do for
you.
Your energy is so much greaterthan a funnel.
Now here's what I will also say.
I love me a good Facebook ad.
I love coming up with creativelead magic ideas called lead
magic, lead magnet magic, right,but the key word in there is
(46:25):
that I love it.
I actually really love marketingand sales.
I enjoy doing it.
So I think that's the otherthing.
Do you really love marketingand sales?
I feel so grateful every daythat I do because I have so many
clients that don't.
They just don't naturally enjoyit.
And if you don't, that's whereyou outsource it.
(46:46):
And then you just stay in yourzone of magic, which is behind
your microphone, clearly, whichis at your retreats obviously,
which is being a coach.
Now I see your content, I seeyour content's phenomenal, I see
your Instagram stuff like, butI don't consider you a content
(47:07):
creator, my love.
You are a guide, you are amentor, you are a lighthouse,
you are a channel.
That is your gift, not theother stuff.
Outsource that.
Stay behind the mic.
Stay behind the mic.
Heather Chauvin (47:23):
That's where your magic is that feels
confirming Good.
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Amber Annette (47:32):
Ready.
Heather Chauvin (47:32):
Final question, final question oh wow, she's
doing the neck, I know.
Amber Annette (47:39):
Well, it's like the next stretch.
Yeah, okay, I'm like already,I'm like.
So the normal question that Ihave and I'm going to, so I'm
going to ask you the question.
Then I also have something foryou.
Question I have for you is ifyou could connect with anybody
in spirit today and receive amessage from them, who would it
(48:01):
be?
Heather Chauvin (48:03):
My son's biological father, who passed.
Amber Annette (48:09):
It feels like a tragic passing.
Is that accurate?
Yes, quite handsome.
Yes, yes, your son looks likehim.
Actually, he's saying he's agood blend of both of you.
So I feel like he's trying tobring forward.
(48:36):
Okay, so he's trying to bringforward I feel like a nickname
that he had for you and thisisn't it.
But he's like I feel like insome ways, like I wouldn't get
it.
But he's saying is thereanything about the letter K at
all?
Not that I'm aware of.
Heather Chauvin (48:58):
What about?
Amber Annette (48:59):
for your son, for him, anything at all with the
letter K?
Okay, I'm going to set that tothe side here for a second.
Okay, so now he.
So this feels to me like thisis more about a message, about
your connection with him, and ifI mean it feels like fire, like
(49:23):
there it he literally justshows me like his heart, like
the hearts were on fire in greatways and in not great ways for
each other.
Does that match?
Heather Chauvin (49:33):
Yes.
Amber Annette (49:37):
He's just so grateful and how you and even
your new, your new partner haveraised, have raised your son.
He's always so.
(49:59):
I get the image and so I don'tknow if this was like something
for him or if he had a strongfaith at that time or anything
along those lines, or if he wasChristian, but I get the image
of a cross.
So does that bring up anythinglike for that timeline or for
him?
Like I get the image of thatand he maybe was like, really I
(50:23):
feel like he was at a place ofstruggle when he passed and
there is definitely somethingaround finding faith or wish he
could have and knowing that thatis not getting passed on to
your son, anything about that.
Heather Chauvin (50:42):
Yeah, that's like.
My biggest fear is that he willbecome him, and yet I deeply
respect his father.
It's just a fear of him goingdown the same path.
It feels like it's broken, likethe pattern is broken.
Amber Annette (50:58):
You helped break it.
Heather Chauvin (51:00):
Yeah, and that's fear that I have to
release in my body.
Amber Annette (51:03):
And that's just.
I hope you can just fromphysically feel from him in this
moment, emotionally feel fromhim in this moment that you
helped break that Heather.
You being, you doing the work,going deep, going within, being
a lighthouse for your son, youbroke that.
(51:25):
He's not going to go down thatpath, thank you.
And then I do have anothermessage from your friend that
passed.
She's just so grateful andthankful that you listened to
her and you sent her mom thatmessage.
You have no idea how much itmeant to her.
And there's more messagescoming.
(51:47):
Don't ever doubt your gift,don't ever doubt your inner,
knowing it's never wrong.
Heather Chauvin (51:57):
I wish I could break down right now.
I'm like, fuck me, I have a fewmore meetings.
But I just want to say thankyou.
You are a gift to the world andwe need each other.
The world women need each otherto remember who we are.
Amber Annette (52:15):
Thank you, it takes a village yeah.
Heather Chauvin (52:18):
Thank you.
Amber Annette (52:20):
I love you so much.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for listening to thisepisode of the Business Psychic
.
I will see you next week.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode.
I hope it inspired and ignitedyour entrepreneurial spirit and
turned up your intuition andtrust in the universe.
(52:41):
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Full sister.
Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the
show that helps you ignite yoursoul's purpose, turn up your
creativity and activate salesand marketing magic.
I'm your host, amber Annette,and I'm thrilled to be here with
you today to explore the depthof what it means to be a woman
in business.
I believe that business is morethan just making money.
It's about making a differenceand making your mark.
(00:24):
So sit back, get present andlet's dive in and uncover the
secrets to building a businesswith soul, purpose and magic.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Business Psychic.
I'm Amber Annette, your host,and today's guest is truly such
(00:45):
an exceptional human beingHeather Chauvin.
She is a leadership coach whohelps successful women
courageously and authenticallylive, work and parent on their
own terms.
Heather started her career as asocial worker, helping adults
understand children's behavior,but it wasn't until 2013 when a
stage four cancer diagnosispushed her to take a change,
(01:09):
uncovering how culturalexpectations sabotage our dreams
.
She has been featured in Forbes, entrepreneur, real Simple
Magazine, mind, body, green,google and so many more.
Let me tell you, when Heatherisn't working, you're going to
find her living out andpreaching out what she teaches.
She could be kayaking in Alaska, snowboarding, hiking or doing
(01:31):
anything else that challengeswhat she believes is possible
for herself, and she brings herkids along for the journey.
Life is full of opportunities.
It's time to feel alive and itis time to introduce you to
Heather Heather.
Thank you so much for beinghere, thank you.
Heather Chauvin (01:47):
Amber, I need to update my bio.
That says dragging my childrenalong with me Because they're
like what is mom going to makeus do now?
Amber Annette (01:56):
I feel you there and I don't know Like I can't
remember the genders of yourkids.
But I have four kids.
My daughter is my oldest, sheis 28.
And then I have a 24, 16, andnine-year-old son.
So like to try to get my kidsto do anything with me at least
my boys is like ridiculous.
Now my 28-year-old daughterlike of course we can do all the
(02:17):
things.
Now, all the things now.
So I feel you there.
Heather Chauvin (02:21):
Yeah, I have three boys, 19,.
They're changing ages soon, soit's like 19, 13, and 11.
And yeah, it's like I'm likewhat is your currency of choice?
I will give that to you if youcome and do this thing.
So some are adventure seekers,Some are like I need the
controlled consistency.
It's fascinating to watch.
Amber Annette (02:44):
I, you know, when I was reading through your bio,
there was something that Iwanted to go back and touch on,
a couple of things.
So, number one when I'm readingyour bio I don't know if you
know this or remember this, butyou have the quotations around
the word successful and lately Ihave really kind of been, you
know, like whenever we'recreating content for our
(03:06):
businesses or messaging thatkind of thing, one of the things
I always say is helping womenreach their next level of
success, and lately I've beensuper struggling with that word
success.
So I think it's interestingwhen I'm reading through your
bio, successful women is like inquotation marks.
So I want to let's just startthere.
I have, you know, I've been Ithink this is maybe my like 25th
(03:30):
episode now and I have kind ofgot away from the scripts and
like to do more of like theintuitive in the moment and
there's something that's reallyspeaking and calling to me about
that.
So tell me why it's inquotation marks, tell me what
successful means to you.
Let's dive in there.
Heather Chauvin (03:46):
So I'm like we don't have a lot of time for me
to go into this whole thing ofwhy I have issues with the term
success.
But I also think it's like thisthing on a pedestal, especially
for women, of what externallylooks successful for people,
whether it's how much money isin your bank account, what car
you're driving, what you looklike and we've been taught that
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go after this thing.
Once you achieve it, you willthen be successful.
And with my whole journey, Ihave found myself over and over
again being like not this, notthis, not this.
But I'm checking the boxes ofwhat everyone else tells you
that you're supposed to do.
And part of that for me was oneI became a mother at a very
(04:33):
early age.
I was 18 years old and I lookedat my son for the first time
and I thought two things one, Inever want you to feel the way
that I did as a child.
And two, I don't want to failyou, and I didn't know at the
time that the primal fear I hadwas fear failure, as like a
woman and what a good mothermeant.
(04:53):
And so I started doing all thethings that success was supposed
to be.
I'm checking the boxes andculturally I'm getting the like
oh, you're great, you're doinggreat, and my insides were like
dying, like my soul was leavingmy body, and I'm like this is
not success to me.
And so I use air quotes forsuccess, because to me it's a
(05:16):
feeling, and everyone needs todefine that on their terms, not
what we've been taughtexternally.
Amber Annette (05:24):
And I think, like I don't know how, like this is
not a word like that grammicallymakes sense, but like I want,
I'm like un-un-successing myselfright now, actually in life.
You know, I'm like uncheckingall of those boxes that I have
worked incredibly hard.
(05:46):
Isn't that interesting too?
You know, let's talk aboutworking hard.
I worked so hard to like, checkall these boxes right.
Big, beautiful home, gorgeousboat spot, the Range Rover, like
all the things right, all thethings that those were the
things that I wanted, those werethe things that I that made me
happy at one point.
But all of a sudden they don't.
And so what do you think about?
(06:07):
Like and I'm hearing this andseeing this more and more are
you where, like women are justall of a sudden like, redefining
, like all of it, redefininggoals, redefining what
intentions are, redefining whatwork means.
I struggle so much in sayinglike, oh, I have to work today
because it doesn't feel likework.
I don't want to work, I don'twant to work harder, I don't
(06:29):
want to work smarter either.
I like, I just feel like thereis something happening on a
bigger level as a collective,especially with women who have
been part of this hustle culturetowards that check in those
freaking boxes.
Heather Chauvin (06:45):
Yeah, so 10 years ago I was diagnosed with a
stage four cancer and nineyears before that I was into
personal development and the onething that I did not do so at
my diagnosis it was veryapparent that wasn't my
spiritual awakening.
That was one of many.
I was like this is like a roadbump, like a bump in a road.
(07:06):
I've had multiple before thatdiagnosis, but that was the
moment where I realized I needto deeply trust myself and I
always talk about reverseengineering, how you want to
feel.
I'm like, how do I want to feel?
How do I want to feel, how do Iwant to feel.
And it's been fascinatingbecause, especially lately, like
I just I'm going to call itpost COVID, but everyone's like,
(07:29):
oh, it's changing, this ishappening, da, da, da.
And like there's a cultureshift.
Well, the only reason why youhave a cultural shift is because
everyone's like, yeah, I'mgoing to jump on that bandwagon,
I'm going to jump on to thatstory.
And I have had to watch myselfenergetically be like that's
just not aligned for me.
And I found that in this seasonof my life, the and I say
(07:51):
season because I've been beenpracticing this for 10 years,
but in this particular season,the external energy has felt
like stronger, that I have hadto really harness my internal
boundaries, like my emotionalboundaries, my physical
boundaries, like I get sofucking triggered Can I, can I
swear, oh yeah, we stay, fuckhere all the time.
(08:12):
I get so fucking triggered whenpeople are like I know you're
busy, I'm like I am not busy,you are just not a priority in
my life, like and I don't say itthat abruptly, but it's like I
know you're busy, so you don'thave time to do this, and I'm
like it's just not somethingthat's aligned for me.
I don't enjoy doing that.
Therefore, I say no, thank you,but I get so fucking triggered
(08:36):
I know you're busy, you don'tknow me, you don't know my life,
you don't know how I feel today, you don't know what my
priorities are.
Stop projecting that the onlyreason why I say no is because I
don't have time.
I have a lot of time for thingsthat matter to me and things
that I prioritize and that Ivalue.
I do not have time for the shitthat you just say hey, can I
(08:58):
put this on your plate?
And I think that is the bigculture shift.
Is why?
Just because I have time?
Why am I saying yes?
To fill my time with all thisextra crap.
So I'm doing less better andI'm decreasing my time.
I'm decreasing my time betterand I'm decluttering like a mofo
.
Amber Annette (09:18):
I got in the habit of, you know, I think
everybody just gets in the habitof saying I'm so busy and
probably, I don't know, sixmonths ago or so, I started
shifting to the word I'm focusedright now, so I can't do that.
I love that, and saying I'mfocused brings a different
energy for me in the moment andI think it gives them a reframe
(09:39):
too of being like we have to getout of the I'm busy, I'm busy.
I'm busy.
I mean at least in my, in my apin tuition I call it my a pin
tuition where it's like a blendof my opinion and intuition.
I love that.
Heather Chauvin (09:55):
I also love the whole focus thing over I'm at
capacity, because capacity alsofeels like I'm full, which is
true.
It just has more of like anicer way of saying I'm busy.
I love that I'm focused rightnow.
Amber Annette (10:10):
I think what's really interesting when you talk
about like filling up thatcalendar, heather, is you know
I've shared with my audience andyou know I'm in the midst of a
divorce and One of the thingsthat I have noticed is I am
uncomfortable sometimes withspace.
I am uncomfortable with nothaving the calendar full of
(10:32):
clients or a, a happy hour to goto with my girlfriends or a
weekend filled with sportsactivities, kids stuff,
groceries, errands, all thethings.
I'm uncomfortable with thatbecause my whole life Up until
now has not been that.
(10:53):
It's been Balls to the wallfrom, like you know, six am Till
10 pm.
So what do you hear inside ofthat and what are you seeing
kind of you know like with yourclients and with women that your
peers around like what do youdo with that space?
Heather Chauvin (11:13):
The one I think we're addicted to busy, we're
addicted to being of service toother people.
We get a lot of value from itand then it shapes our identity.
And so, regardless of why weyou know there's we're always in
different seasons of our life.
But the second you're like,okay, I want capacity, or like
more space and time, and then weget it.
(11:34):
It's so emotionallyuncomfortable Because our brain,
like it's, it's shaking up ouridentity.
But our brain is also like thisis not Normal, like this is not
our normal state of being,where I think of where I am
today versus where I was 10years ago or 20 years ago.
I Mean I look at my old self orI have a friend that's kind of
(11:57):
living my old life and I'm like,oh god, I would not go back
there.
So it just takes time for us tolike get situated in this new
skin and how we, how we, show upin the world.
But it is so fascinating to meto watch where I'm like you can
have a desire for something likea desire for I'm gonna use more
(12:19):
a desire for a feeling, adesire for space.
You get the space and you'relike, oh shit, now what do I do
with the feelings that I wasavoiding?
Now that I have the space, it'sjust fascinating to watch, but
as long as you're willing to sitwith it and it eventually
subsides.
And then you get to fill thespace with the beauty or
whatever Else you're craving,but making sure you're not just
(12:40):
filling it because you'reuncomfortable.
I.
Amber Annette (12:44):
Find also like I don't know what I want to do
with that time.
You know, yeah, so we'vestarted yet.
Yes, yeah, so we've started.
Our parenting schedule is oneweek on, one week off.
So, and even the weeks that Idon't like, you know, the boys
don't stay here with me I go totheir sports stuff, all the
things, but it's like what doyou?
(13:05):
What do you do?
You know, who are you whenyou're not being a mom?
Who are you when I'm not with aclient?
It brings up a side of me thatI've never, I've never known
before, and I feel like so manywomen are craving that right now
to find out who they arewithout all of those labels that
(13:26):
they have been living like.
Who?
Who just am I?
And I'm not scared of a lot ofthings, but it's a scary space
to sit in.
It's like beyond uncomfortable.
I mean, sometimes I'm just likeshit, I'm just gonna go to bed.
Heather Chauvin (13:43):
You know, I I don't know when it was, but my
business started growing anddoing Incredibly well and it was
like a I don't want to call ita rinse and repeat process, but
it business growth isuncomfortable, but when you get
your systems and processes, it'sa rinse and repeat.
And what I found, and what I'veseen people do, is keep blowing
(14:07):
up certain areas of their lifebecause they're seeking that
like adventure or adrenalinerush.
And I had to consciously choosethat outside of my mothering,
like outside of my personalrelationships, like not over
nurturing or over like okay,what can I do for you?
How can I manage your life andyour future?
And then I had to do thatoutside of my business and it
was like, who am I?
(14:28):
And I started going on thisadventure and asking myself, how
do I want to feel?
And Just journaling, likewouldn't it be nice if and I
wasn't allowed to write downanything that had to do with
Business or parenting or mymarriage.
It was like wouldn't it be niceif I felt amazing in my body?
Wouldn't it be nice if everyFriday I went for a three-hour
(14:48):
hike?
Wouldn't it be nice if I couldjust spend my time and energy in
as much art as I possibly could, like just random little
nuggets of desire.
And then I started puttingthose things on my calendar and
the amount of resistance that Ihave around following through
with that three-hour hike onFriday because, ooh, that
(15:09):
special email came in that I canact on, or, oh, my kid needs me
.
It's funny to watch, but it'slike you have to choose.
It's like changing the currentwithin yourself, but getting I
mean now I doing endurance racesbecause I'm a wackadoodle and I
enjoy.
I'm like trying to get the highfrom something else rather than
blowing up these areas of mylife for causing drama on them.
(15:31):
So it's fascinating to watch toput myself in uncomfortable
situations, to growintentionally rather than yeah,
it's, it's.
It's interesting being in adifferent, a different level
where you're like I'm just doingthis thing because I want to.
It has no attachment to arelationship or a revenue I.
Amber Annette (15:50):
It summarizes, like how we send the call
together, where we were.
Like you said, this fuckingjourney, this fucking journey.
Heather Chauvin (16:01):
And does it even make sense, like you know,
when I stopped being so seriousabout what's my purpose.
What, like my purpose?
Is to feel as good as possible,but at the end of that, like
the opposite of that is To feelas shitty as possible, like to
feel the depths of my fears andmy grief so that I can let enjoy
(16:22):
.
And then one day it just stops,and then, whatever our beliefs
are after that, and then, ahundred years from now, no one's
gonna remember us, no one.
Scary.
I say that every time someone'slike being so serious.
My hundred years from now, noone's gonna, nobody's gonna
remember you.
And I think you like that song.
Amber Annette (16:42):
Oh, my gosh too.
You know, like, I don't know ifyou've ever seen the meme where
the guy's like okay, let's nottake this meeting we're about to
go into, let's remember, we'reall souls inside these, like
human meat skins.
So, like, like, let's also justremember that before we start
talking about this week's budget.
Heather Chauvin (16:57):
You know, I don't know if you've ever seen
the meme, but every time I seeit that's a good meeting starter
.
I'm gonna do that.
Amber Annette (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, like, let's just not forget we're
we're souls here to experiencethe, and that's so much bigger
than this budget we're about totalk about you know, puts that
in money, doesn't even reallyexist, but yet we need it and
like the material world.
It's our exchange, it's ourcurrency.
Yeah, we, we, we chose that.
Yeah, I think you know whenyou're talking about that
(17:26):
three-hour hike and you know alot of you know the women that
I'm connected with.
To they they feel guilty.
You know the, the mom guilt,the wife guilt.
Like I, even when I'm by myself, I feel guilty for Allowing
myself to do the things that Iwant to do to evoke the emotions
(17:46):
that I want to feel.
Mm-hmm, I'm on this big.
I love creativity and like, butI'm not like a good artist by
any means.
So diamond art, because itgives me the pattern and I get
to make it pretty, or paint bynumbers, like those things make
me happy because I'm just notnaturally talented at that way
(18:07):
and I feel guilty, like enjoyingit, having a glass of red wine,
listening to Adele.
I Feel guilty, and so manywomen feel so guilty for just
allowing themselves to feel thepleasure, feel the whatever
emotion is, just for the sake offeeling it.
(18:29):
Why do we do that other?
Heather Chauvin (18:31):
I don't know.
That's my answer.
All I know is you.
I think it's a collective thatwe're all experiencing.
I think the more we accept itrather than trying to go down
this rabbit hole of why I meanlet's patriarchy lineage, the
design of the female brain.
(18:52):
But it's funny because the onlypeople I ever hear talk about
guilt is women.
Never men, I'd never barely.
I know that's not true, butvery rarely they talk about fear
.
But the definition of guilt isI did something bad.
Shame is I am bad.
So we think we're doingsomething bad.
Ooh, I ate that cookie.
(19:12):
Ooh, I'm sitting here enjoyingmyself.
I mean, I still experienceguilt and shame and fear and
overwhelm and I've just acceptedthat that is part of the human
experience.
But I have to lean into.
You can call it joy, you cancall it whatever, but that
moment like you'll be sittingthere and you're it's like grief
, like you're just doodadoo, wow, I'm really enjoying this.
(19:34):
And then wha-bam, it justwashes over you and you're like
what WTF?
What just happened here?
So I actually purposely leaninto it and sit with it.
When I started my business, Ifelt guilty, like I'd have one
kid on the boob.
I'm rocking the other one.
I remember just sitting in myoffice and one of the kids has a
(19:54):
toddler coming and knocking onthe door and I could feel the
guilt of working for an hour andI would physically just sit in
my guilt and say I'll be rightthere, and I actually would
physically sit in it until itleft and then I would get up.
I was like I want to take theaction of getting up and
(20:15):
transitioning from a place oflike, not from guilt.
You get what I'm saying.
Like I didn't want to live fromguilt, you don't want to take
action from that place 100%.
So I would sit and feel thefeeling, let it pass, and then I
would get up and transition.
But I'm like, if I allow guiltto run my life, I am going to
become ragingly angry andresentful at the people I love
(20:39):
and just from my personalexperience, my soul will say
screw you, bitch.
If you are not going to fulfillyour purpose or alignment in
this lifetime, I'm gonna leaveyour body and I'm gonna go in
somebody else's body, causethat's my kind of core belief is
like.
The soul will be like hey, thisis what you're doing, like this
is what you're supposed to bedoing.
(21:00):
It will send you nuggets, itwill push you, and if you just
keep neglecting it it will.
You'll have like a little souldeath and it will just be like
all right, I'm gonna go hang outin someone else's body that
wants to pay attention to me,cause that's what I truly
believe was happening to me when, I got diagnosed.
Amber Annette (21:17):
You know it makes me think of the book by
Elizabeth Gilbert, big Magic.
She talks about ideas.
The way that you are talkingabout emotions right now, and
I've never had anybody explainand express the way that ideas
come to me and through me theway that she did when she wrote
(21:38):
that book it just it resonatedon so many levels.
The way ideas will like hoverand I can feel them almost.
They have a it was almost likea texture before I take them in.
But the way that you'redescribing emotion here, it
almost feels the same thing Likewhen that wave comes in and I
think sometimes it's hard todiscern.
(22:01):
Is this mine?
I mean, and I do.
I mean I do this stuff, I dothis work.
You know I do the inner work.
I am highly sensitive to energyand as a psychic medium I mean I
have stuff coming in all thetime.
But the way that you justdescribed the wave of a guilt
(22:23):
coming through and sitting withit and staying with it, have you
ever connected that?
I think this is even anassignment I'm gonna give myself
to kind of sit with when thosewaves of emotion come up.
Are there other messages thatare coming in that we're missing
(22:44):
in the emotion because we're sointo the emotion.
Are there other?
You know, I connect with thosewho have crossed over and it
makes me wonder if, when thosewaves of emotion come, are there
.
Is there spiritual energycoming too that is right along
with it that we're missing.
Have you ever thought of itthat way before?
Heather Chauvin (23:03):
I wanna say yes and and I know I feel like
that's what you teach me Likethe more because it's so you
have to be, you have to sit andlisten to yourself and if we are
culturally conditioned to justgo, go, go go.
So I'll give you an example.
When you and I met in St Luciaat the, I had to leave early and
(23:27):
you did a quick reading and Ihad to leave for a friend slash
clients funeral.
Amber Annette (23:33):
Oh, yes, I remember that.
Heather Chauvin (23:35):
And I went to her funeral and I was a fricking
puddle and I thought I wasgonna be all not stoic, but just
I'm saying Heather Chauvin, I'musing air quotes like an alter
ego of like I'll inspireeverybody and I just I was a
puddle and I was like I'm herfriend and I'm really sad that
she's gone.
And I said to her mother I saidI think your daughter came to
(24:00):
me when she did two years agolike came back into my life
because she was preparing toleave her body.
But she was telling me she'sgonna give me some extra energy
and like boost me, because shewas very passionate about my
message and but she never likewent full into it.
Like in her physical body shealways like shrunk and like
(24:21):
stayed small.
Anyways, about two weeks ago Iwoke up at four o'clock in the
morning, which I never do, and Iwas usually, if I wake up that
early, I'm having a panic attackor something but I was like
full of energy and I was likeready to start the day and I sat
there.
I actually I was probablythinking about you, cause I was
like Amber probably thinks I'mit's my little psychic abilities
(24:44):
coming out, but anyway, I hadthis like strong desire to reach
out to her mother and it was afeeling.
So I get like these feelings.
I don't associate it with aperson or an, or a spirit or an
energy like crossing over and Isaid exactly to her mother what
I felt called to say and I was alittle I think I'm pushing my
(25:09):
boundary here and her mom waslike I was just praying to her
to send me a sign.
And so when you talk about theguilt and the feelings, I think
there is a next level to it,Like, but we just immediately
attached to I'm supposed to feelbad.
So I'm just gonna sit in thisyuckiness and I'm gonna feel my
(25:32):
feelings.
But if you're digging, you knowa little bit, it's like and
you're asking those deeperquestions of who's who's is this
Like?
Is this just my lineage?
Is this like a past life?
Like what is this?
I'm just enjoying a glass ofwine and doing a paint by
numbers, like.
Am I really that bad of aperson in this moment?
Amber Annette (25:55):
It's just, it's making me okay.
So, first of all, our listenerscan't see what's behind you,
like I'm loving all of these,like little dots that are about
to come together.
And it says emotionallyuncomfortable.
And I have never connected thatsitting in a space of feeling
those emotions could also bepart of my gift trying to
connect to others that can givewisdom, spiritual insight,
(26:17):
healing, guidance, comfort tothe uncomfortable.
You know, I think there's adifference between the two.
Like I believe in beinguncomfortable I really do and
yet you can have some comfortgiven to you during that time,
you know.
So I have never, in 10 years ofthousands of points of
(26:42):
connection, ever thought of thetimes when I'm alone, I'm by
myself, I'm sad, I'm frustrated,I'm mad.
That that is a point of tospirit.
Ever I've, like I am throughthis conversation, I'm like
almost like I can't wait to havea reaction.
So, for example, like we'vetalked about yesterday, I told
you that yesterday was one ofthe hardest days of my life.
(27:04):
I wrote about it actually in anemail that went out today,
which is September 14th, butthis won't be out for a couple
more weeks.
So if you wanna go back andread it, you can, but I was
sobbing yesterday in a way thatI just is like out of the norm
for me.
I mean like hot mess express,like couldn't talk, like I mean
(27:27):
it was brutal and yet in themoment, if I would have probably
just taken a couple seconds toget grounded in the moment,
allow myself to feel theconnection.
I bet there was a message therefor me and I bet I missed it.
I'm just like I literally Idon't know if you are like
(27:48):
feeling how I'm feeling aboutthis, but I've never, ever
directly correlated my emotionalstate to a point of connection
with spirit, the way that I amin this moment.
Heather Chauvin (27:58):
I cannot wait for it to like happen Seriously
For you to send me a message andbe like.
I guess what happened today.
Amber Annette (28:05):
Yes, I'm gonna like spirit is healing.
It's like kind of coming to mein this moment from it.
Heather Chauvin (28:12):
I remember well .
I was gonna say like some ofthe most healing moments I had
were in my darkest moments, likeduring my diagnosis I had so
many were my.
I couldn't run away from myfeelings, like I was in a
hospital room, nobody's around,I'm like by myself and I just
had to go into the feeling, gointo the fear.
(28:36):
And I remember physically beinglike I'm free in this space,
I'm going to be okay, like justthis.
It's like I always say theseemotions are like your children
that you didn't know you had.
They're just like I need aglass of water.
I need a glass of water.
I need a glass of water.
You stop, you pay attention andwhatever language you use,
(28:57):
whatever intuitive likeconnection you have, if you pay
attention to it and just getcurious rather than like I'm
intellectually feeling guiltyright now and I'm telling you
this from my head, but you'rejust deepening into it, like
these are breadcrumbs, like wewant the little.
We're like what's my purpose?
(29:17):
Where am I supposed to go?
What am I supposed to do next?
I don't fucking know.
Sit with your shit and feel itand that's where the magic
happens.
But I'm so curious.
You're going to send me amessage in the next few days and
tell me what happened.
Amber Annette (29:29):
I am, and I want you to hear this because I'm so
this is just kind of coming infor you in this moment.
Those heart palpitations you'vebeen having, you need to
understand there's nothingactually happening with your
physical heart.
It is your spiritual heart thatis like palpitating.
It is spiritual experience.
(29:52):
Your physical body is trying tomatch that of a spiritual
energy coming into your spaceand that's that like almost like
electromagnetic feeling is.
It can feel scary, it can feellike holy shit, I'm like not
even 40.
Am I having a heart attack?
Like what is this?
So is that something you'vebeen experiencing or feeling?
Heather Chauvin (30:14):
100%, I've also .
I have moments where I willhave this weird like I will be
talking to somebody and then I'mlike, I have this moment of
like you're going to die.
It's very weird.
It's not fear, though, butthere's something that happens.
So it's the same thing as theheart palpitation of, like the
(30:34):
universe.
The energy is like likebringing it all in together,
where it's like tune in, tune in.
Amber Annette (30:43):
It is not.
It is not your actual physicalhuman heart.
It is like the spiritual energyof your heart.
It is the energy around you,and when I say spiritual energy,
I really mean like those twohave crossed over.
I really I mean it is your giftof mediumship trying to come
forward.
It is Like I feel like I'vetold you that before, but I
(31:05):
really want you to feel thattoday, like when that especially
if you're waking up in themiddle of the night with it is
that true?
Heather Chauvin (31:15):
No, not with the heart, but I am waking up.
Earlier I thought it was like Iwas like peri-metaposal, but I
I'm getting up more, with moreenergy, like in the middle of
the night.
It's it's trying to wake me up.
Amber Annette (31:29):
Yeah, for sure.
And that's like you know, ifyou've ever read anything, it's
like when the veil between ourour human realm and the
spiritual realm is the thinnest,it's when the noise is the
quietest, it's when theconnection point is the
strongest.
So, in I usually get woke up inthe middle of the night and it
freaks me out.
Even still, to this day, I'llget the heart palpitations,
(31:50):
knowing that it's really just amessage trying to come through,
and it could be for you too, youknow, I think that's one thing
that's like I'm being remindedof in this moment is that, like
I can receive messages formyself too.
I don't always have to be theclear channel for everybody else
.
I can be a clear channel formyself.
(32:11):
If I sit in the emotion andfeel it.
There's going to be a messagethere and that's like really
what I'm.
Really.
I've always steered clear ofthe tears, you know.
I've always steered clear ofthe.
You know I don't want to be onthat lower part of the you know
emotional spectrum, let's callit.
(32:31):
I don't want to feel sad, Idon't want to feel frustrated, I
don't want to feel guilty, Iwant to feel good, I want to
feel joy, I want to feel light,and so I just do my part to like
try to get there as quickly aspossible, and it's making me in
this moment realize that maybethere's something on that other
side that isn't as bad as Ithink it is.
It can maybe even bring me to alevel I've ever been before.
Heather Chauvin (32:55):
Yes and it's.
They're not bad.
We've labeled them as bad, andthen the wellness culture loves
to sprinkle some spiritualbypassing and toxicity on that
shit and it's the funny thing isis like it passes so quickly.
It's like the joy is there,what you desire is there, but
feel it.
And something that you just saidabout the heart palpitations my
(33:17):
brain will go to or it's notalways the heart, but like a
weird feeling, like an awkwardfeeling.
My brain will go to fear forlike a split second.
And then the second I go backto trust, like trusting my body,
trusting myself.
I'm like, okay, what do I needto know?
What is this?
But I think what you're well,not what you're saying.
(33:37):
You're reminding me to like, goback to like the knowing, which
is fascinating, because I findsome of the women that have the
most difficult time with me inseeing results are the ones that
refuse to go there.
They're always like in theirhead or they're trying.
They're like I just want thejoy, I don't want to go there,
and I'm like just go there forthe minute.
(33:58):
And then they go.
They're like, oh, that wasn'tthat bad.
I'm like, yeah, I'm not do thatone more million times, but
they won't go there.
They're like I'm safer up here.
I'm safer up here.
I'm like, no, you're not likeyou're craving down here, but
you've got to go there.
But it's the vulnerability ofcrossing over.
Amber Annette (34:13):
This is good stuff, girl.
Okay, now, in true the businesspsychic fashion I know you
haven't I'm really excited.
I get so excited when peopleactually it sounds like
counterintuitive but I getexcited.
But my guests haven't listenedto like episodes or full
episodes because they don't knowwhat's coming at the end.
Okay, it should also start tobe like a prerequisite.
(34:36):
So yours is going to be alittle bit different today.
Heather Chauvin (34:39):
I'm just glad I've experienced you like in the
flash previously, because thatcould be intimidating if I
didn't.
Amber Annette (34:47):
Oh, yeah, like it was amazing.
Yeah, we were.
You were one of those peoplewho, like I know it sounds like
cheesy or cliche, but I was like, oh, she felt like home.
Like you feel like like instant, like an instant.
You know, I didn't instantly,we, I felt just comfortable in
(35:07):
your space or you being in myspace.
You know, there's just thosepeople that you get to meet
every once in a while and wejust had that.
I love those instant momentswhere you're just like, oh,
that's my person.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So I'm going to tap this.
I know we haven't chatted forquite a while about business, so
I mean, I know you have someretreats coming up, but I'm
(35:28):
excited to see what comesforward.
And then I'm going to ask you avery important question.
That audience knows what I'mgoing to ask, but you don't know
which is really exciting, okay,so give me a second here.
So the way that I'm kind ofseeing your business right now,
(35:50):
the universe is giving me likethis image of like a beautiful,
like oak tree, you know, withlike the big kind of like cool
hole in the middle of it, andwhat it's showing me is there's
like this big, beautiful, bigbranch that is about to come off
(36:10):
of your business, which I'venever seen this image before
from spirit.
I've never seen this as likethe analogy, but I believe
what's coming forward here is anew aspect of your business, a
new branch of your business thatis very complimentary to what
you're doing now, but different.
I also get this strong innatesense that I don't know if
(36:37):
you've always been like justcurious about like herbs or
plant medicine or somethingalong those lines, or if you've
ever been even interested inlike homeopathic options,
naturopath if that is somethinglike you've been curious about,
I really want you to like.
(36:58):
I feel like 2024 is a yearyou're going to go really deep
into that for some reason,health wise.
That's not the reason.
It's more of just like I.
It's a curiosity that you keepjust like learning and learning
and learning more about theactual physical healing aspects
of the physical body in thoseareas.
I don't necessarily know thatthat is part of that new branch
(37:24):
that I'm seeing, but could betied together or be a limb off
of that branch.
I feel like I also am going touse the word investment.
I feel like you're going tomake some investments this year
and things that you haven'tinvested in before, where
(37:48):
typically in yourself or a coachor a business or something
along a business you know,strategist, or a Facebook ads,
something business related Ifeel like there's new
investments you're making, maybein other businesses that are
going to ridiculously lucrative,like below your mind,
(38:08):
ridiculously lucrative.
So also something you've been.
The word curious is coming inreally strongly for you, heather
.
I feel like following thatwhite rabbit is safe for you,
like I actually want you to godown some rabbit holes this year
.
That's like that's what there's, like that's where Wonderland
(38:30):
is.
So don't have like you have astrong intuition and you follow
it.
Now I want you to also likeblend those curiosities with
your intuition.
It just feels like really fun,playful, like breath of fresh
air, just new coming in.
So anything about that kind ofshowing up for you or feel right
(38:53):
or yes, and so I have found so.
Heather Chauvin (38:59):
When I wrote darkness retreats, I'm actually
obsessed with how our bodies canheal itself without substance,
so I'm very curious about adarkness retreat.
Do you know what a darknessretreat is?
I do not, so it's like a silentmeditation, but you're in a
cave in complete darkness byyourself for a few days, and I
(39:24):
know literally like a rabbithole.
Correct.
But you know what my obsessionis with this.
I've never felt completelydrawn to like ayahuasca or plant
medicine, and when I'm watchingthese people's testimonials,
like I'm just, I'm just drawn toit.
But what I'm drawn to isthey're like I am the medicine.
I didn't need something else toingest to get me to that state.
(39:48):
I got myself to that state andI've had very similar
experiences when I was likeduring my cancer treatment,
where I was like someone's likeoh, you should do plant medicine
.
I'm like I took chemo.
I've had my own plant medicineexperience.
Like when you were justcompletely surrendered and
facing like your depths of yourfear.
That is the rabbit hole I'mobsessed with, which is like
(40:12):
what is fear?
Like what is actually fear andwhy does it drive so many
people's lives?
Investments I've been such a,so curious about being an angel
investor and wealth building forwomen like just obsessed with
it.
Like people going, I'm going tobe a coach and I'm going to
make a million dollars and it'slike and then what?
And then what?
(40:32):
Like just obsession withhelping other people thrive and
utilizing resources to do so.
So everything you're sayingthere's like little breadcrumbs
there.
I'm also not attached to any ofit Like meaning I don't like
plans, I don't like I'm.
So the more I grow, the moreI'm like.
Let's see what falls in my lap,like after this conversation.
(40:55):
I believe that I'm going to getan email, a text message,
something's going to fall intomy lap.
I'm going to have aconversation with someone and
I'm like Amber, omg, guess whathappened.
Amber Annette (41:08):
And it feels like , I think, that the our best
position we can possibly be inis is is in a space of radical
unattachment.
So I love it.
I love it so and I'm curious.
I can't wait to hear how, like,what shakes out and what comes
in.
Heather Chauvin (41:26):
I do feel like my body, although it's thriving,
has a physical reaction ofresistance, so it's not
manifesting in symptoms Like I'mnot like worried or scared.
It's like that old, it justfeels like old energy is there,
like I'm I'm, like I'm tired,but I know I'm not.
Yeah, sure, I'm, probably I'madrenal fatigue, like what woman
(41:49):
isn't, but like it's thisfatigue of it feels like old
energy that just wants to comeup and out.
But I'm still energized at thesame time, if that makes sense.
Amber Annette (42:01):
What are you going to do to release it?
I want to get back to my rootsof energy healing, like getting
to the roots of I think I'mgoing to take it's interesting
you're using the word roots andI saw a tree for you, yeah.
Heather Chauvin (42:12):
Roots, of energy, healing and curiosity
there, of maybe even just goingto like a weekend who knows,
there's something there butgetting back to roots and also
just letting it be, being it, bewhat it is and being like you
can hang around, but I'll listento you.
(42:33):
But I'm not going to act out offear because you're here and
I'm also not going to surrenderor shrink because you're here.
But it feels like it's sohealthy, where old, my old body
I say old body, I'm going to saya few years ago it would shut
down on me and now it doesn'tshut down.
It's just like, oh God, hereshe goes again.
(42:53):
Like it's like holding on tolike a roller coaster, but it
feels good, like there's magiccoming.
I can feel it, I'm in magic nowand more magic is coming and I
just get to like tiptoe and becurious rather than like, all
right, let's go, we got to dothis, come on.
Amber Annette (43:08):
Yeah.
Heather Chauvin (43:09):
Yeah, I'm not in a hurry.
Yeah, no, I do have a questionfor you though.
Yes, since hearing your woo, Ido this weird thing with lead
generation.
Okay, so in the last year, Iwas telling myself a story of
like I don't know how to attractnew people.
(43:29):
And yet most of the people thatcome to me listen to my podcast
and say I don't even know how Ifound your podcast.
It just like showed up on myphone one day and I listened to
it and my soul was like thiswoman is my next teacher and I
just filled out the applicationand did it and I'm like that's
it, that's a trust, like thesouls will be attracted that
(43:51):
need you.
And then there's this masculinethat comes in.
That's like to scale, you needto do more, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like not really Like.
Yes, there is strategy there, Iget the strategic behind that,
but it's there's a, there's a.
I don't want to say it's a clog.
It's not a clog, but it's like.
(44:11):
I'm like I don't know how to dothis and yet I have done it.
Amber Annette (44:15):
Yeah, so one of my favorite things that I like
to say is my energy is biggerthan the algorithm.
Heather Chauvin (44:23):
I love that.
Amber Annette (44:26):
And I believe that a the clients were meant to
serve the universe is going tosend our way.
I've had the same experienceand I've only had my podcast for
a couple months and I've hadnew clients and new people and
new experiences come from mejust being me and putting this
content out into the world.
(44:47):
And so what's coming to me inthis is going back a few steps
right.
When you feel that I want to gocreate this podcast, I want to
go blank, right.
I don't know if you feel theway that I feel when I podcast,
but, heather, I am so incrediblypresent with you in this moment
(45:11):
.
I have no idea what else isgoing on in this world.
Heather Chauvin (45:13):
Yeah.
Amber Annette (45:14):
And I think that here, when I podcast, I hope
that you feel it in my audiencelist listening feels how
passionate I am and how presentI am with what is coming to me
and through me in the moment formyself, for my listeners and
for my guests.
And when we are so present likethat, it is absolutely
impossible for us to not be in azone of attraction attraction
(45:37):
of clients, income opportunities, events, experiences, people
that are going to rendezvouswith us to bring us to our next
point of success.
It is hesitant to say success,but for the lack of other human
words, I am going to say success, right.
So just know that your energyin those moments are so much
(46:01):
bigger than anything any fuckingFacebook ad could ever do for
you.
Your energy is so much greaterthan a funnel.
Now here's what I will also say.
I love me a good Facebook ad.
I love coming up with creativelead magic ideas called lead
magic, lead magnet magic, right,but the key word in there is
(46:25):
that I love it.
I actually really love marketingand sales.
I enjoy doing it.
So I think that's the otherthing.
Do you really love marketingand sales?
I feel so grateful every daythat I do because I have so many
clients that don't.
They just don't naturally enjoyit.
And if you don't, that's whereyou outsource it.
(46:46):
And then you just stay in yourzone of magic, which is behind
your microphone, clearly, whichis at your retreats obviously,
which is being a coach.
Now I see your content, I seeyour content's phenomenal, I see
your Instagram stuff like, butI don't consider you a content
(47:07):
creator, my love.
You are a guide, you are amentor, you are a lighthouse,
you are a channel.
That is your gift, not theother stuff.
Outsource that.
Stay behind the mic.
Stay behind the mic.
Heather Chauvin (47:23):
That's where your magic is that feels
confirming Good.
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Amber Annette (47:32):
Ready.
Heather Chauvin (47:32):
Final question, final question oh wow, she's
doing the neck, I know.
Amber Annette (47:39):
Well, it's like the next stretch.
Yeah, okay, I'm like already,I'm like.
So the normal question that Ihave and I'm going to, so I'm
going to ask you the question.
Then I also have something foryou.
Question I have for you is ifyou could connect with anybody
in spirit today and receive amessage from them, who would it
(48:01):
be?
Heather Chauvin (48:03):
My son's biological father, who passed.
Amber Annette (48:09):
It feels like a tragic passing.
Is that accurate?
Yes, quite handsome.
Yes, yes, your son looks likehim.
Actually, he's saying he's agood blend of both of you.
So I feel like he's trying tobring forward.
(48:36):
Okay, so he's trying to bringforward I feel like a nickname
that he had for you and thisisn't it.
But he's like I feel like insome ways, like I wouldn't get
it.
But he's saying is thereanything about the letter K at
all?
Not that I'm aware of.
Heather Chauvin (48:58):
What about?
Amber Annette (48:59):
for your son, for him, anything at all with the
letter K?
Okay, I'm going to set that tothe side here for a second.
Okay, so now he.
So this feels to me like thisis more about a message, about
your connection with him, and ifI mean it feels like fire, like
(49:23):
there it he literally justshows me like his heart, like
the hearts were on fire in greatways and in not great ways for
each other.
Does that match?
Heather Chauvin (49:33):
Yes.
Amber Annette (49:37):
He's just so grateful and how you and even
your new, your new partner haveraised, have raised your son.
He's always so.
(49:59):
I get the image and so I don'tknow if this was like something
for him or if he had a strongfaith at that time or anything
along those lines, or if he wasChristian, but I get the image
of a cross.
So does that bring up anythinglike for that timeline or for
him?
Like I get the image of thatand he maybe was like, really I
(50:23):
feel like he was at a place ofstruggle when he passed and
there is definitely somethingaround finding faith or wish he
could have and knowing that thatis not getting passed on to
your son, anything about that.
Heather Chauvin (50:42):
Yeah, that's like.
My biggest fear is that he willbecome him, and yet I deeply
respect his father.
It's just a fear of him goingdown the same path.
It feels like it's broken, likethe pattern is broken.
Amber Annette (50:58):
You helped break it.
Heather Chauvin (51:00):
Yeah, and that's fear that I have to
release in my body.
Amber Annette (51:03):
And that's just.
I hope you can just fromphysically feel from him in this
moment, emotionally feel fromhim in this moment that you
helped break that Heather.
You being, you doing the work,going deep, going within, being
a lighthouse for your son, youbroke that.
(51:25):
He's not going to go down thatpath, thank you.
And then I do have anothermessage from your friend that
passed.
She's just so grateful andthankful that you listened to
her and you sent her mom thatmessage.
You have no idea how much itmeant to her.
And there's more messagescoming.
(51:47):
Don't ever doubt your gift,don't ever doubt your inner,
knowing it's never wrong.
Heather Chauvin (51:57):
I wish I could break down right now.
I'm like, fuck me, I have a fewmore meetings.
But I just want to say thankyou.
You are a gift to the world andwe need each other.
The world women need each otherto remember who we are.
Amber Annette (52:15):
Thank you, it takes a village yeah.
Heather Chauvin (52:18):
Thank you.
Amber Annette (52:20):
I love you so much.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for listening to thisepisode of the Business Psychic
.
I will see you next week.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode.
I hope it inspired and ignitedyour entrepreneurial spirit and
turned up your intuition andtrust in the universe.
(52:41):
Make sure to check out the shownotes section for access to my
transformation suite All of freeresources, tools and content to
help you grow your businesswhile staying true to your
soul's purpose.
Until next week, go make somebusiness magic.
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