November 8, 2023 • 51 mins
Have you ever wondered how your intuition could be your ultimate guide to entrepreneurship and personal success? Join me as I sit down with Kristen Rowell, a functional nutritional therapist and the CEO of Energetically Efficient, who transitioned from being a lawyer to a successful entrepreneur. Kristen shares her inspiring journey and emphasizes the profound impact of healing and intuition on her professional success.
During our candid conversation, Kristen opens up about her emotional journey post-divorce, her transition from a legal career to entrepreneurship and the valuable lessons she learned along the way. She shares insights about recognizing universal signs and embracing intuition as a guide to fulfilling one's purpose. Kristen's story is a testament to the power of resilience and the magic of trusting your gut, even in the face of adversity.
We wrap up our discussion by exploring the fascinating topic of connecting with spirit and embracing the magic around us. Kristen shares a meaningful story about her grandmother's image of a hummingbird, symbolizing the importance of staying open and receptive to the universe. This episode is packed with thought-provoking insights on entrepreneurship, self-care, and finding purpose. Tune in and get inspired by Kristen’s transformative journey and her philosophy of being energetically efficient in all aspects of life.
Mentioned in this Episode:
- Grab Kristin’s new cookbook Eating Efficiently
- Check out Kristin’s cleanse here
- Your sign for the week to watch for is: a hummingbird
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Amber Annette (00:02):
Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the
show that helps you ignite yoursoul's purpose, turn up your
creativity and activate salesand marketing magic.
I'm your host, amber Annette,and I'm thrilled to be here with
you today to explore the depthof what it means to be a woman
in business.
I believe that business is morethan just making money.
It's about making a differenceand making your mark.
(00:24):
So sit back, get present andlet's dive in and uncover the
secrets to building a businesswith soul, purpose and magic.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Business Psychic.
I'm Amber Annette, I am yourhost and you are in for a
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special ride today.
Let me welcome to you today'sguest, kristen Wauwel.
She is a functional nutritionaltherapist and the founder and
CEO of Energetically Efficient.
She coaches men and women inprioritizing their health and
wellness to improve theirprofessional success.
But let me tell you that biojust does not do her justice,
(01:06):
because there is so much moremagic and wisdom and creativity
and, believe me, the most highvibe energy I've ever been able
to connect in with another humanbeing.
So, kristen, welcome.
We gotta get you a much betterbio.
That just says how freakingfantastic you are Welcome
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welcome.
Kristin Rowell (01:27):
Thank you so much for having me, amber, and I
appreciate that.
Bios are something that youknow.
I was so used to writingsomething for the vanilla and
factual as a lawyer and then Ibuilt this new business and so
it's still unprogramming.
I say all of the time.
I'm still unprogramming for myold life and reprogramming, so I
appreciate that reflection,thank you.
Amber Annette (01:46):
I know, right before we start, right before we
hit record, I was like I feellike I have past lives in this
life and I say that quitefrequently.
But for you, like you really do, I mean I feel like, if
anything you like, just take usback to kind of the beginning,
so kind of where you started,started out as a lawyer, and
where you are now, so ouraudience can just get the gist
(02:08):
of, like how cool this journeyhas been for you, of
entrepreneurship.
Yes.
Kristin Rowell (02:13):
I'd love to share that Thank you, and one of
the things that I always sharewith people when I start talking
about my story is I can now seemy story in hindsight, but I
had no concept of what washappening to me at the time.
So it really, if I take it wayback, it's like I got divorced
in 2010.
And I started doing Alenonbecause I had addiction issues
in my marriage with my husband,and so that was part of my
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awakening.
And then, because I was such arobot and still like working,
working, working as a lawyer tocope with all the pain of my
divorce, all of a sudden, inDecember of 2013, the universe
brought me this amazingexperience where I fell on ice
in Williston, north Dakota, andbroke my right leg in 10 places,
and that was another huge pointin my awakening, because that's
really what got me interestedin nutrition.
(02:57):
I started to research like waita second, what could someone
who has run all these marathonsand who's very strong and I was
lifts weights Like how could Ihave broken my bone that bad, my
bones that bad?
And it was my tibia in my rightleg, so it's the main bone that
holds your leg together.
Of course the right representsthe masculine and I was breaking
down a lot of my masculineprogramming so I thought that
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was interesting, but that reallyis love the metaphor there.
Right, I'm, like, so aware nowof things that were always
happening for me.
One at the time they, of course, felt like they were happening
very much to me, so I had thatfall in 2013, continued in my
lawyering ways, and then,several years later, it happened
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to be in the fall of 2017.
After I ended what I consideredto be the last toxic
relationship I'll ever have, Istarted meditating, and so
that's really what sparked myinterest in deeper into
nutrition, because I couldn'tignore the call and the callings
that I was having in meditation.
It was like little littlesynchronicity started to happen
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because I created this regularmeditation practice.
I really got into it in 2018.
And then, as 2018 and early 2019came and went, I was just
noticing things like I'd be in ameeting with clients as a
lawyer and all of a sudden, theclient would pull me aside and
be like, yeah, I'm reallyinterested in losing weight.
Do you think you could help mewith that?
Or I really I noticed you havea lot of energy and I'm
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interested in having more energy.
It was almost as if clients inmy new business were presenting
themselves to me because theywere lining me, of course, on
this new path.
And so in the summer of 2019, Ifinally decided to leave the
practice of law and start thisbusiness, and I've been growing
it and building it ever since.
Amber Annette (04:40):
Freaking love it.
I love like.
I love entrepreneurship so much, but I love the people that are
entrepreneurial more.
You know what I mean andthere's something I wrote down
as you were talking which islike the calling.
I talk all the time with myclients, with inside my clarity
collective micro program.
What does the calling feel likefor you?
(05:02):
Because I watch so many womenstruggle with this.
I think a lot of times theythink it's gonna be this like
big, booming voice from the skywhere God's like saying this is
your calling and in reality,what it you know like.
For me, it just started.
It can just be these likelittle subtle drops.
(05:23):
You know Like if you've everlistened to Steve Jobs'
commencement speech, he talksabout callings being like these
dots that were always connecting.
But like best, I listened to itprobably a few times a year
because if you haven't everlistened to Steve Jobs'
commencement speech, but anyway.
So what does the calling?
What did it feel like for you?
(05:44):
Like I want you to physicallydescribe it and like emotionally
describe it, because I thinkit's so important that everybody
is calling, feels and sounds alittle bit different when it
shows up for them.
Kristin Rowell (05:54):
It's so true and one of the things just to frame
it also for your listeners,because I'd say this is very
true for my clients and maybeyours as well Before I started
meditating, there's no way, Idon't care how hard the universe
was trying to get my attention,there's no way I would have
heard it, seen it, felt it,known it, because I was so on
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robot lawyer mode, going athousand miles an hour all the
time.
So one of the biggest thingsthat I think it's important for
people to just really hear andtune into is we have to allow
that time for us to be still.
And if you're like, oh, I'msomeone who doesn't meditate,
you know you probably need to doit more.
But even just getting stillwith yourself and not constantly
being inundated with so muchinformation all the time and so
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much doing, was like one of mybig things.
So for me, in terms of what itfelt like and what it like
physically looked like it was Italk about this poll, which I
know sounds like sort ofesoteric, like what does that
mean?
But I had this insane interestin learning about reading, about
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talking with people, abouteverything related to nutrition
and fitness that all of a suddenbecame more than just like
something I do outside of work.
It became something I reallywas, spending every single
amount of my free time.
How can I just learn more aboutthis?
It was something that lit me upwhen I would think about it,
talk about it, and they say andI'm sure you know you say this
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as well.
I always say now it's like Ifigured out what I love to do
and then I figured out how toget paid for it, you know, which
is like the ultimateentrepreneur.
Amber Annette (07:29):
Lean into it.
Getting paid for bringing yourgifts to the world absolutely
yes.
It's like it really lights youup, and then that brings with it
this whole other ball ofinsecurities and concerns.
I feel so grateful that sellingyour gifts is definitely a
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skill.
You have to be skilled, in myopinion, in sales if you are
going to be a successfulentrepreneur, and no matter how
gifted you are, having the giftof being able to sell is just
going to maximize your abilityto be in your gift.
Kristin Rowell (08:16):
Yeah, and just once you're in your gift, I feel
like it pours out of you.
So for me I just when you askedabout the emotion it's like
when I think about when I've hada conference around nutrition,
when I'm listening to a podcastabout nutrition, when I'm
talking to someone about it I'mfeeling joy, I'm feeling lit up,
I'm feeling excited, I'mfeeling in flow, I'm feeling
easeful, I'm feeling safe in mynervous system.
(08:38):
All of those things make meexcited.
I don't get the Sunday scarieslike I used to when I was
clearing.
Oh yeah, and let me be veryclear like I loved lawyering, I
loved it, yeah.
And then what happened as Istarted meditating is I realized
that I evolved out of it and Idon't think, as humans, enough
people really pause and realizewe are meant to evolve.
(09:00):
I know that it's a very pysyand model thing to be born, go
to school, learn a bunch ofstuff, get married, have 2.5
kids, get a job and keep youknow at that same job until you
retire and then you die, likeit's such a linear way of living
and we're just so out of thatmodel now.
And so when we evolve, it'slike, oh my God, I actually what
(09:22):
.
I'm going to have a phase twocareer.
Are you kidding me?
And how exciting.
Maybe someday in my 70s I'llhave a phase three.
I don't know.
But it was just exciting that Iwas feeling this excitement, joy
and fulfillment.
Really, that's really what Iwas feeling when it came to
anything that came to nutrition.
I just loved it.
(09:42):
And then my mom reminded mewhich I always think this is so
fun to think of, like past stuff.
She said you know, do youremember that you wrote in the
high school yearbook that youwere going to at some point have
some sort of healthy smoothieshop or something with one of
your friends, like someday?
Oh, my gosh, I'm kidding me.
So you know, when you stripaway the parental programming,
(10:02):
the societal conditioning or thecultural condition, all of that
stuff, it's like who did Ireally come here to be and what
really lights my soul up, andwhen you start to go down that
path of figuring it out, there'snothing more rewarding.
Amber Annette (10:16):
And I think it's so interesting.
You're bringing up like thingsfrom our childhood, right, like
I can remember being little,little like probably four years
old maybe, or young, like three,four or five years old, and I
would set up all of my likestuffed animals and my Barbies
and my toys in a row, like Iwould put them all in a row like
(10:36):
they were in seats, like in anauditorium, and then I would get
my like fake microphonewhatever I was pretending was my
microphone and I would stand upon the coffee table and who
knows what I was like talking tothem about or singing to them
about or whatever.
You know, when you're a littlekid and you're full of
creativity like that.
But I literally still to thisday can remember like being so
(10:59):
passionate and like havingsomething just like ready to go,
and those things are importantthat we remember.
I personally feel like at thatage we are still so like
literally the word just I didn'teven mean to say it but like
soul connected.
We're still connected to likethat bigger reason and that
(11:20):
bigger purpose why we're here,why we came here, and you know I
use this great analogy I'm sureyou've probably heard it A lot
of times people talk about.
You know, in relationships,people that come in and out of
your life, like having a reason,a season and a lifetime.
And I've been saying lately,it's the same with your purpose.
(11:42):
We have multiple sole purposesthat we are here to experience
and they are here for a reason,a season and some of them a
lifetime.
And so, like when I think ofyou and being, you know, being
that lawyer and being thatbadass woman in business, and
like taking what is it?
Like kicking ass, taking namesright, that served a purpose
(12:07):
Absolutely Before a season.
It was for a season.
Kristin Rowell (12:12):
Yes, you're absolutely right, and I loved it
when I did it, like I reallyenjoyed it and so I was thriving
to it.
I did it for 16 years.
It's not like I was in for afew years and walked out and I
really, when I left, like theday I left the practice of law,
it was Friday, june 7 of 2019.
I sobbed most of the day.
I cried with my partners.
I went to a girlfriend'sbirthday that night.
(12:33):
A bunch of my girlfriends werethere and I spent a whole entire
party crying.
I was so sad about what was,you know, both the end of an era
but the start of something soexciting and new, and I was
excited about that.
But I also was grieving theloss of this significant part of
my identity and what brought mejoy for so many years until it
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didn't you know, until I knewI'm being asked by the universe
to serve in this bigger, higherway.
And now I have so many lawyers,accountants, like a lot of
professionals who are my oldcolleagues, as clients, because
they realize I can understandthe demands of time in their
work and so I can help you knowwork with them and nutrition and
lifestyle practices that willwork for them.
(13:15):
They know that I get them, butalso because they understand
that I really have figured outthis way to prioritize kind of
what matters and let the work bean ancillary part of who I was
while I was doing it.
You know.
Well done, thank you.
Thank you, it's been a reallyfun journey.
(13:37):
Entrepreneurship and I'm surebecause you've been in it much
longer than I have it'ssomething I never thought I'd
sign up for.
I mean, in some ways, whenyou're building a book of
business as a lawyer, you areyour own little entrepreneur
because you're cranking in newclients and cases and helping to
build a law firm, for sure, butyou also have the safety of
other lawyers and colleagueswith you.
And when you go out on your ownand you do this, it is like,
(13:58):
okay, I am betting on me.
And I think one of thequestions that I've gotten most
often since I chose to leave waswere you scared?
Was it scary?
Did you have a lot of feararound it?
And the truthful, truthfulanswer, amber, is that I didn't.
Now, maybe it was because Ihave, you know, some amount of
naivety when it comes tobuilding a business, but it
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really was this unwaveringconfidence and belief in myself
and I thought, as long as I beton myself, I can't go wrong.
And I genuinely believed that.
And it also so happened that Ileft in June of 2019, and I
always say then the world shutdown about nine months later and
everyone wanted to startgetting healthy, because
everyone was.
You know, things were going tohell in a handbasket during
COVID.
Amber Annette (14:39):
The universe knows what it's doing with
timing.
Kristin Rowell (14:41):
let me tell you it sure does, and so I just
trusted in that and I could notget over how aligned everything
was.
It was really, really, reallygreat.
And then, because I was anequity owner in my firm, they
had to buy me out over a periodof time and so I also had this
sort of gentle ramp up where Iwas getting paid, I mean not a
lot of money, but a little bitof money for the for the few
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years after I left, and so thatjust helped sort of even
everything out.
It just worked out reallynicely in terms of being able to
build my business with thatsafety net.
It was nice.
Amber Annette (15:11):
Yeah, I, there's like that.
What is it like?
The golden parachute?
You know, it's like it's almostlike the universe.
The universe will like provideand when it comes to, you know,
I and I get it like.
And now that there haven't beentimes, I mean I think we all
experienced like some momentsright of hesitation or
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overthinking.
I think there are more momentsfor me now, as an entrepreneur,
where I can overthink thingsversus like getting really
scared or fearful or worried.
But one of the things that Ialways think of and I work with
a lot of newer entrepreneurs andI always say to them the only
plan B we have is to believedeeper.
That's, that's our only plan B.
(15:59):
We don't you know like when,whenever people are like oh,
maybe I need to know, we're not,we're not looking for a job,
we're going to believe evendeeper.
Now you're being invited to goeven deeper into your even even
deeper, like that's when you digdown.
Kristin Rowell (16:13):
In those moments you know like I love that you
said that, because one of thethings I've toyed with recently
is just last summer of 2022.
What year we in?
Yeah, 2022 is when my threeyear license came up for a
lawyering and so I did all myCEs and I renewed my license,
and now I have another threeyear period that I'm in before I
would renew again and I'msaying to myself, my goodness,
(16:34):
renew it.
You know, it's just sointeresting because I wasn't
renewing it as a backstop.
I never have thought, oh, I'mgoing to run back into the
practice of law.
It was more about it's, moreabout am I ready to let go of
that part of my identity andit's you have so many ego deaths
in the journey of spiritualityand in the becoming who you
truly are that, like you know,there's even a motion for me
(16:56):
around thinking of letting it go.
It's like, oh, what are youwithout that title or without
that?
You know, it's so crazy.
Amber Annette (17:06):
I say again, right before we have done here.
We were talking about writingand one of the things that I
think probably that I have wrotethat I'm most proud of is a
message about saying goodbye andthat the hardest goodbye and
that saying goodbye in generalas a human being is one of the
hardest things we ever do.
But in my personal journey andexperience and the women that I
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work with, it's saying goodbyeto past versions of ourself.
That is the hardest.
Who we used to be.
I've shared recently and Idon't even know if you maybe
know this, kristen, but I'm inthe middle of a divorce and
saying goodbye to this versionof me of being married and the
family and holidays oh my goshthings.
(17:52):
It's just saying goodbye to whoshe was and I'm so appreciative
of who I was and how she got meto where I am now.
But it is for me, it's thehardest part of life.
Kristin Rowell (18:02):
It's saying goodbye, and I think it's such a
good thing to just pause andreflect on that.
No matter what sort of thingsyou go through in life, whether
you stay married, whether youget divorced which I've
obviously been divorced, whichis a very painful part of my
life as well, and I was lettinggo of the married Kristen as
opposed to the single, divorcedKristen All of those iterations
of us are bringing us to thishigher and better version of
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ourselves that feels so scary tobe out on this limb, like
trying to explore and who is sheand discovering her, but it's
also so rewarding.
I do a lot of I host retreats,but I also go on a lot of
spiritual retreats and spendtime in meditation and cool
parts of the planet, sort ofdiving deep.
I was recently in Peru andBolivia doing just that which
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was a part of the world I'dnever been to and yeah and so
just having those times andspaces and places carved out of
my calendar to just kind of beand surrender and just discover
and be in this mysticalunfolding of who I'm becoming in
this enough season like wetalked about season of life,
because I can very much feellike I'm in this transition
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phase right now and I don't evenknow if I can speak about it
more eloquently than that to sayI'm in the middle of some deep
transition and I don't reallyknow what that means, but I just
know that I'm in it and I'mcurious what the universe is
gonna show me in terms of whatI'm evolving into.
Amber Annette (19:24):
And I think what if I had to summarize, I think,
what you're saying and what I'mfeeling from it?
It's you know, you're alsofollowing your intuition in
these decisions and I reachedand maybe you reached this in
your divorce or I reached thispoint in lots of things in
making decisions honestly.
And when I just follow myintuition and I make a decision,
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it makes me looking at that endresult so much easier, because
I mean there have been timeswhere I'm like, okay, my
intuition and the universe wouldnot have brought me this far.
To just be like just kidding,you made the wrong choice, like
you know, like psych yes, wewere just messing with you the
whole time.
You missed that right turnabout a year ago.
(20:11):
You know it's, you're into thoseintuitive decisions.
That inner knowing is nevergoing to lead you to a place
that you're not meant to be.
It's just, it's not gonnahappen.
And there are moments like thatwhere I mean I am just so and
it's why I do what I do.
I love helping women steal andown their inner knowing, because
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then you never I shouldn't sayI never doubt Like, never is a
strong word Like, let's behonest.
I mean there are moments right,but in those moments it's a
flicker.
It's a flicker versus anindecisive paralyzing point, you
know, which could have happenedand did happen to me a long
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time ago, before really honoringthat inner knowing and
listening to the universe.
And we have to be able to allrecognize that for what it is
and it shows up.
I think that's where maybe mostpeople can get confused as it
shows up in so many differentways.
It can show up as like a mess Imean, how many you know this is
(21:15):
for you and for my audience but, like, have you ever had
somebody come to you and be likeI don't know?
I just feel like I need toshare this with you.
Yes, I don't.
When somebody says that to me,you can better believe that I
know the universe is workingthrough them to give me a
message.
I welcome it, welcome it.
Or you know, I think you know,like the like, there are signs
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and synchronicities for all ofus everywhere, and it's being
able to recognize it in themoment for what it is for us as
an individual.
Sure, there are signs for thecollective right, like we've all
kind of like summarized andsaid okay, if we see 11, 11, and
we know it's a spiritual number, like these, like three through
three or two, right, like thoseare cool things.
But there's also those reallyindividualized signs and
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synchronicities that theuniverse is giving to us all the
time with one reason and it'sto say keep going, girl, it's
just, it's just.
They're everywhere and I'm sograteful that I see them and
honor them and embody them.
And I've just made it mypurpose and I know it's part of
your purpose too to help otherpeople see them for what they
are and to honor them.
Kristin Rowell (22:22):
It's so true and the thing is it requires that
actually paying attention andbeing aware and just kind of
noting this being present, beingpresent, exactly so being
present is the key.
The day that I was notifying mysenior partner, who I was very
close with still in close withthe day I was notifying that him
that I was leaving the firm.
You know, one of the way that myspirit guides on the other side
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show up for me is in numbersequences, it's like but now how
many?
And for me it typically happenson license plates, but it can
happen all sorts of places.
So I made I ended up making avoice note about it on my phone,
because I was so overwhelmedwith gratitude to them about, on
the day that I was going tonotify the firm that I was
leaving, how many numbersequences I saw from the moment
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I woke up.
I mean to like how many emailswere in my trash, how many
emails were in my inbox, howmany all sorts of things I could
.
They were all around me all dayand I thought, okay, thank you
for reminding me I'm on theright path.
Thank you for reminding me I'mon the right path.
It was like a confirmation forme that this was the day I was
supposed to do it and that onceI released that message, I would
just feel this huge weight offmy shoulders and know that I was
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getting closer and closer andcloser to my new aligned purpose
, which was just so rewarding,so rewarding.
Amber Annette (23:36):
I remember giving my notice to and now how I say
it is very different from likewhat I was like thinking and
feeling in the moment, but Iremember.
So I worked in the financialservices industry for about 15
years and I think you might haveknown that and I remember like
this had I had just got my likedream role, like just got it,
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had just been given a pay raise.
That's like the most money I'dever made before.
I mean I'm talking within weeksand at the same time all of
that was happening, I was likeready to go full on being a
psychic medium around.
You know, doing psychic.
I was still doing a lot ofpsychic mediumship, but I really
wanted to be a business psychic, like I knew it.
(24:18):
And I remember sitting at thisdesk and I can't remember it was
like alone, I needed to.
It was like something waslending and I was you guys can't
see me, but I remember like Iwanted to like pound my head on
this desk Like I was slumpedover, I felt dead.
I literally felt dead.
I had zero energy and I justremember sitting there, going.
I just want to be working on mybusiness, like it was just so
(24:44):
clear to me and I was at thetime, you know, breadwinner of
my family, four kids, a daughterabout to go to college, like
like Riker I think at the time,was like oh my gosh, like not
even a year old.
You know how am I supposed tolike give up this like multi,
six figures, like all the things.
I was like, holy shit, how am Igoing to do this?
And I'll never remember or I'llnever forget this and I still
(25:07):
do this with my clients this day.
I looked at it from a timeperspective.
I was like I'm spending 55 to60 hours a week driving here,
working here, not to mention thesun suns I used to call it sun
ziety, where Sunday I had suchhigh anxiety about having to go
to work on my sun ziety.
(25:27):
So like I was like if I had 60hours a week to devote to my
business, could I replace myincome.
And I remember just likeperking up at my desk and being
like I can do this, like I justthis wave of like I can do this,
I'm meant for this and I didn'teven, I don't even think I gave
(25:48):
, I think I gave a two weeknotice, but I didn't even stay
the full two weeks.
I ended up going within like 10days of giving my notice
because I just I couldn't waitto be on my calling, oh and.
Kristin Rowell (25:58):
I I love that, and one of the things I heard
you say, Amber, which is like sogood for people to hear, is
that sun ziety, like Sundayscary is the anxiety that you
get on Sunday To me.
Now I understand it more, asit's really a sign that you're
out of alignment with yourpurpose.
Oh, heartedly Right.
It's more than just a funnything that there are memes about
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on the internet and peoplelaugh about it.
Amber Annette (26:23):
It's like no, what's actually happening is
you're out of alignment andthat's why you feel those
feelings in your body and don'tignore those feelings Like
that's even more the feelingsare the only sign you need
honestly Like that and don't getme wrong like I love me a good
license plate, I love looking atthe clock and seeing it's 11-11
(26:43):
.
I love it like white feathersare freaking, flying around me
all day long, every day, and Iknow that the emotion I'm
feeling is the only sign Iactually really, really need.
Yeah, it's so important.
It tells you everything youneed to know about what is good,
right and aligned it does.
Kristin Rowell (27:03):
And so for me, when I go back to the fact that
I was towards in 2010,.
At the time, I literally had noaccess to my emotions.
I had grown up in a home whereit's it's.
Everything was positive, wedidn't have negative emotions,
we didn't have conflict, wedidn't.
And what I realize now is thatI had this model from parents
where there wasn't access totheir emotions, and so I didn't
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have it, and so I had to spendthis journey getting divorced at
the age of 35.
This journey in my 30s andtherapy, like literally trying
to figure out what I was feelingand then be able to speak about
it and then move through it.
So, like my journey includedthis whole part about wait.
What am I actually feeling inmy body?
Do I feel scared?
Do I feel confused?
Do I feel lit up withexcitement?
(27:47):
Do you know?
And it was just a journey,because you're right, your
emotions are such an importantguide in terms of where you are
at with your purpose.
Amber Annette (27:56):
Yeah, oh, so good .
Well, speaking of purpose, Iwant you to talk a little bit
about your new book that youjust released, which I'm super
excited for share with us, andcongratulations.
I'm always so in freaking aweof authors.
I am, I'm like always, nomatter, like if it's a New York
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Times bestseller or if it'sliterally like a self published
on Amazon.
Like I am like, I am in awe atauthors because it is to me.
It has been the biggest, thebiggest obstacle and the biggest
challenge I have ever.
I haven't overcome it yet.
To be very like, I get superclose and I just can't hit
publish.
So well done that.
(28:37):
You hit publish, girl.
Kristin Rowell (28:39):
Tell us about it , thank you so much it was a
labor of love.
Over the course of over here, Inaively thought I will throw
this cookbook together, I'll beable to get it out by the end of
the year, in 2022.
And I was just so unaware ofthe depth of the process that it
would take.
But it was a really fun journeyto go through and so I did
decide to.
My sister owns her ownpublishing company called Rodney
(29:01):
K Press, so I hired her to takeme through the whole publishing
process.
I had done all the photos forthe cookbook in the summer of
2022, and had written all therecipes, and then it really
literally from the fall of 2022,when I hosted a launch party
and had such a fun time likeexcited that I might have it
ready for Christmas.
It actually didn't come outuntil this September of 2023,
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because there's so much editingand designing and all this stuff
that I just was unaware of.
But I remember when I saw thefirst draft of the book online,
of course, before I ordered myown and it was like this is the
sexiest cookbook I've ever seen.
That's amazing.
It was amazing.
So the designers did such afantastic job just helping hone
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into my vision and have itconsistent with my energetically
efficient brand.
My whole intention writing thecookbook was I wanted a resource
for people who feel reallyoverwhelmed with all the
nutrition information out thereto say, okay, I'm a super busy
professional, but I also want toeat well, and so what are some
things I can do, Like here'ssomething I might make when I
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have more time on a Sunday.
Here's something I might havewhen it's like middle of the day
on Thursday and I have to justgrab something quick.
It's got a lot of recipes at alot of different levels to meet
people where they're at, and soI have a whole section of the
book that talks about whateating efficiently means, what
eating efficiently is not how toeat for balanced blood sugar,
and my whole intention around itis really helping people take
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control of their health and showthem that it is not hard to eat
nutritionally.
It's just a little bit of alearning a new language in the
beginning.
Amber Annette (30:33):
Oh I well, I'm definitely, I'm ordering.
I want to sign copy.
First of all, I will give you asign copy.
Kristin Rowell (30:42):
And what's fun is it was released when I was on
a retreat, when my businessmastermind, I, was retreating
Tuscany when it got released andin less than 48 hours it was a
number one a seller on Amazonand a number one new release on
Amazon, which was so exciting.
Amber Annette (30:57):
So congratulations, that's amazing
Well done.
Kristin Rowell (31:01):
Thank you.
It was so fun, so I'm going toobviously do some more
promotional stuff about it forthe holidays, because I think
it's a great gift to give forthe holidays.
And, of course, amazon can shipto someone directly for you, so
it's really fun.
Amber Annette (31:12):
And we'll make sure to put the link in the show
notes.
So if you're listening and youwant to grab Kristen's cookbook,
definitely go check out theshow notes, and I know we have.
You have a great free gift foreverybody too, that we'll put
the link there for so they canbe on your newsletter and get
your, get your energy in theform of an email as well,
absolutely.
And what else do you want toshare?
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Anything else?
Kristin Rowell (31:37):
The only other thing I think that would be
helpful for people if they'reinterested in this ever is one
thing I run quarterly, which Ijust personally it's like a huge
passion of mine is running thistwo weeks nutritional
detoxification, or cleanse.
And a lot of people think of theword cleanse and they're like,
oh my God, is that a juice fast?
I don't want to only drinkjuice.
The answer is no, it's a ton ofreal food.
In fact, a lot of people whoare in my course are like Wait,
(31:59):
I really have to eat this muchfood and you expect me to like
have a flatter tummy and loseweight and have more energy and
whatever.
And I'm like, yes, this is themagic of a cleanse.
So I I share about that on mysocial media, I share about that
in email releases, of course,but I'm just finishing my fall
cleanse right now myself, and soit's just been a really
powerful two weeks.
That ends up, you know, havingmy skin feel really good, giving
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me a ton of energy.
I sleep so much better and lovedoing it over Halloween because
that prevents me from eatingany of the candy Otherwise it's
like I told like it's pretty badwhen you tell your kid to hide
the candy bag from you.
I was like, oh, my niece andnephew and I was like, okay, so,
auntie, just kind of likes likeReese's are my favorite, can I
just have one?
And then they both want to giveme one.
(32:40):
So I've got like this candystash in my cupboard that I'll
have at some point.
Yes, so that's just anotheroffering that I have.
It's kind of one of my lowerlevel entry offer, entry level
offerings that I like to tellpeople about because it's a very
, very powerful course.
Amber Annette (32:54):
Yeah, I know for myself I've always kind of
struggled like up and down withmy weight like, but especially
being in the last 10 years as anentrepreneur, you know, like
I'm sitting at my desk right now, like I'm at my desk I'm like
nutrition needs to be optimalbecause of how much movement I
kind of don't get in the day.
And I think for me and I know alot of the women that I know
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that kind of struggle with thisit's like the consistency you
know, staying consistent withthe meal prep and the food and
the menu, and like if you had togive somebody a tip and are
around like consistency, whatwould?
What would that be?
Kristin Rowell (33:32):
Yeah, great question.
So I know it can seemoverwhelming to be like, oh my
God, do I have to do this?
Like meal prepping and all thisstuff for the rest of my life
and even for me who's in thisworld?
Like it gets annoying for me.
Sometimes all everyone's willcall my sister and be like I
just want someone else to makeme dinner tonight.
You know, yeah, just like goand sit somewhere at a
restaurant and have someone makeme dinner because everyone's
(33:53):
well, it just feels superoverwhelming and then I really
just in those moments say, okay,fine, I'm going to go get a
healthy meal.
Like I'll go to, like I'll goto towel natural foods in
Minneapolis, or I'll go I'll getlike a healthy meal or a
steakhouse and get a steak.
But I'd say, for consistency, acouple of things.
Number one is I think thatpeople underestimate the
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importance of staying hydratedduring the day.
It's just drinking that water.
I'm honest to God, you guys like75% of the time I've read this
exact, check me on it if youwant but it's something like 75%
of the time we think we'rehungry, we're actually thirsty.
So it's like every time I tellmy clients, when you think
you're hungry or you findyourself kind of doing some of
that emotional board eating,just go drink a big glass of
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water and wait for about 10minutes and see if you're still
hungry.
It honestly will usually passbecause you really need more
water.
So that's one thing.
And then number two is I alwayssay set aside, it does not have
to be the same date and timeevery week, but just say what
day this week am I going tofocus on doing some sort of meal
prep, grocery shopping and mealprep.
You know just where I'm makinglike, and I don't mean like you
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have to make a full recipe.
I mean I'm going to heat up abunch of grass-fed ground beef
in the skillet and then I'mgoing to save that in the fridge
so that if I have only half anhour between meetings, I can
heat that up with, like, somebroccoli and put an avocado on
it and that's a meal, somethingthat simple.
Done I have.
I have cooked meat or friend orfish in my fridge all the time
(35:19):
that I just used for the nextcouple of days, and then I might
make some more and use them forthe next couple of days.
So I think, biting off things inlittle chunks, like just think
of what protein can I haveavailable, and then I can build
a meal around that protein,because otherwise we all get in
the point where we're like, oh,I have a really short break
right now, but I'm really hungryand now I'm just going to grab
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that protein bar, I'm going toeat those chips.
It's like we reach for thingsthat are just the easy, quick
thing.
Quick things, yeah and I knowthe saying is annoying, but it
is true Fail the perfect thing.
It's like your psychic.
Amber Annette (35:50):
I literally grabbed a protein bar right
before this call and I was like,oh my gosh, I have to like, get
, but it would have been muchbetter if I would have had a
chicken breast ready to just eatquickly or like, and I love
protein bars as much as the nextgirl, so, trust me, I use them
too on occasion.
Kristin Rowell (36:11):
But I tell my clients when you find yourself
like, oh, now I had two proteinbars today.
I had one client at one pointshe was eating three protein
bars a day and I said this isn'tfood.
We need to get you back toactually be real food.
And this is why I do thiscleanse every quarter, because
it forces me to start eatingvegetables and everything again.
When I get off track and all ofa sudden I'm like, oh, all your
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foods came from a package today, it's like, of course, correct.
And that's why I do it everyquarter, because it just it
makes me be like OK, it doesn'ttake that long to chop some
onion, to chop some garlic.
I can listen to a podcast whileI do it.
It actually can be veryswarming for my central nervous
system.
It's a break from work.
Amber Annette (36:50):
If you look at it sort of with a different
attitude and feel like it's metime, I feel like it's self-care
time, it becomes more fun andthen I can just play with it you
know, I love that you're sayingthat, because one of the
conversations I was just havingwith myself was around working
out, and this is for probablythe best reasons and the not so
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great of reasons why I do this.
But I always want to be workingin my business or on my
business.
I either want to be creatingcontent, recording a podcast, I
want to be writing, I want to beputting stuff out on social
Like.
I am obsessed in the best waypossible with being in my
purpose.
I love it, and it often keepsme from doing the things like
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working out, meal, all of thosethings.
So I was like, how can Iincorporate, how can I do this?
How can I incorporate workingout and my business?
And I was like, well, what if Ijust sit on the bike, even?
And what if I go live?
Like, what if I did likeworkout, readings, Like I can be
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like you know what I mean?
Like just go live.
It's not like I'm going to beworking out to the point where
I'm like can't breathe, Like I'mnot the girl, I'm not that girl
.
But I was like, well, what if Ijust I mean, people do get
ready with me.
You know All those kinds ofthings I was like well, what if
I just work out and channel atthe same time?
Kristin Rowell (38:14):
Why not Totally?
And you could go on a walkoutside and channel and be on
your phone talking while you'realso moving.
Yeah, I'm like it's cold,that's true, I mean I have this
great setup in my home of like.
Amber Annette (38:27):
I have a great stationery bike, I have
everything like you couldpossibly.
It's like it's the do it, it'sthe starting, it's the doing it.
Kristin Rowell (38:35):
You know, because when I do workout, I
love it, I enjoy it, and theother thing is just to kind of
reframe it too.
It's like you are so obsessedwith your business, which is so
amazing, and you're so luckythat you love it that much and
you love working, and myquestion for you would be what
if focusing on the workout piecea little bit and the nutrition
piece made you even better atwhat you?
Amber Annette (38:55):
do, it does, oh for sure, I know it does.
Kristin Rowell (38:58):
It does, yeah, it does.
I tell clients that all thetime I'm like you're going to
get better at what you do,because you're going to have
more energy, you're going to bein a better mood.
All of it is related.
Amber Annette (39:08):
Yeah, I mean I'm just.
I mean I'm sitting here havingall kinds of ideas.
Now I'm like, well, what aboutwhen I was cooking?
I mean I could literally dodinner in a medium.
You know, like, do a Facebooklive dinner in a medium?
I'm cooking dinner.
Ask me any of your questions,because, if you think about it,
cooking definitely pulls youpresent.
It's a.
To me, cooking is always a formof meditation.
(39:30):
You know, like working outmoving meditation, absolutely.
So maybe I just need to likereframe this a little bit.
I'll.
If I do this, I'm going to tagyou in it so you can be like
yeah, girl, there you go.
We talked about this on thepodcast.
Kristin Rowell (39:44):
Please do I love that.
No, I love that Because thereality is it is a form of
meditation in both ways and itreally brings you into your body
.
So you're very present inpresent moment time, and I think
that's one of the reasons Ilove working out so much and I
love cooking is because I get inpresent moment time in those
spots.
Amber Annette (40:02):
Yeah, I got the wheels spinning here, so thank
you for that and I am just soappreciative of you being on the
show.
So now, I don't know if you alot, it's so fun, like a lot of
my guests.
I don't know if you've listenedto the podcast or not, but do
you know what happens now inthis part of the show?
I don't know what happens now.
Ah, surprise, yay, yes, allright.
(40:23):
So in true the business psychicfashion, here's what's going to
happen.
I'm going to tap in here andI'm going to give you a business
reading and we're coming at theend of 2023, going into 2024.
So I'm going to give you acouple things just that I kind
of sense and see and pick up on,and I'll share that with you.
And then I have a superimportant question that I will
close out our episode with, andit's like my favorite, favorite
(40:47):
part.
So I'm just going to tap inhere, ok.
So two things.
First thing that comes upimmediately it's time to get on
the.
Kristin Rowell (40:58):
TEDx stage.
Oh my gosh, I love that you'resaying that it literally was one
of my things for my intentions.
I literally have written thatdown as what I want.
Amber Annette (41:07):
Yes, it's happening.
It's time.
I feel like, absolutely.
It's 2024.
The calendar is slippingbetween the month of October and
November.
So if I were you, I woulddefinitely right now, just start
visualizing, standing on thatstage, what you're going to wear
by the outfit, watch more TEDxtalks and YouTube.
(41:31):
I feel like there's anopportunity for you to go viral
on YouTube.
I don't know if you have beenthinking about doing your own
podcast.
I'm going to say don't do apodcast, but do a really good,
juicy YouTube channel.
Anything about that, show upfor you.
Kristin Rowell (41:50):
Yes, I just started a YouTube channel this
year and I haven't did a ton yet.
But that was also my intuition,was, I think, because I'm so
good on video.
It's better and you're stunning, like absolutely stunning.
Amber Annette (42:03):
Of course, you need to be on video.
Kristin Rowell (42:05):
Well, I was thinking that that's the thing I
really want to build, and I hadtalked about a podcast a few
years ago, but it just hasn'tfelt aligned.
I agree, yes, and I've beenlearning.
I have to be on other people'spodcasts and then I have to
build out a YouTube, so that'svery aligned.
Yes, amber, yes.
Amber Annette (42:20):
I love that.
Ok, the other thing that I'mseeing for you and this is on a
personal level I'm seeing a forsale sign.
Are you thinking about moving?
Kristin Rowell (42:30):
Yes, I'm thinking about.
That's so weird.
Now I'm thinking about moving,but I was going to keep my house
and I was thinking about mayberenting it out for an Airbnb,
but I am thinking about moving,which is so bananas.
You and I have not talked aboutthat at all, Of course not.
Amber Annette (42:46):
Yeah, this feels really aligned.
I get the month of March.
I think by March you're goingto really know you're going to
have that knowing.
I also see a lot more time at abeach, so I don't know if you
were thinking about renting orsnow birding or something like
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near a beach or if that's like aMinnesota lake I'm seeing, but
it feels much warmer thanMinnesota and for our audience
me and Kristen are both fromMinnesota and it is starting to
get real damn cold here.
Kristin Rowell (43:18):
Yes, yes.
Well, I will say, later thismonth I am going to Cabo, so I
will be by a beach Perfect,which is so fun, and I'm going
to be with my sister, which willbe amazing.
Amber Annette (43:29):
Yeah, I feel also like the OK, so I think they're
two separate things.
So I think by March you'regoing to know where you're
moving to.
I do like the idea of keepingyour existing space, renting it
out, getting some additionalincome from that.
So I love that.
This beach, this trip there'ssomething quite significant that
happens.
I feel like this year has beena lot of anticipation around
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what's next and not having asuper clear vision.
But knowing that you're justfollowing and you're keep going,
you're going to have a radicalmoment of clarity on this
upcoming beach trip.
There's a reason that theuniverse was showing me that
beach absolutely, and it's goingto be something that you did
not think it's going to be like,didn't see that coming almost
like a plot twist.
So there's something definitelyabout that beach trip for the
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two of you that's going toawaken something.
Kristin Rowell (44:24):
So, exciting.
Amber Annette (44:27):
Also, I see a follow up.
I see a second follow upcookbook, except this one's
going to have less recipes onfood and more recipes Like you
can hear my like I couldn't even.
It's like life recipes.
It's more of like ingredientsfor an energetically efficient
(44:51):
life versus just the nutritionalside of things.
So anything about that resonatefor you.
Kristin Rowell (44:55):
Well, yes, I mean, it's almost like taking
the book that I just wrote andcreating a book.
So I really desire to writelike a bigger book outside of a
cookbook, and this would be away to sort of dovetail off of
what I did, but be sharing stuffthat's outside of the nutrition
space and how I'm broadeninginto what I'm doing with energy.
Yes, it very much resonates.
Amber Annette (45:16):
Yeah, I think you'll work on that in 2024,
probably not release it tillJune 2025.
It's kind of like time framethat I'm kind of picking up on
there for you.
Ok, well, all right, ready forthe question.
Kristin Rowell (45:36):
I am ready for the question.
Amber Annette (45:39):
If you could connect to anybody in spirit and
receive a message from them,who would it be?
Kristin Rowell (45:47):
It would be my maternal grandmother.
Her name was Dorothy.
It would be her, and to receivea message from her.
Amber Annette (45:59):
So and this is pretty so, I talk about like
having a psychic library a lot,and one of the very most common
images that I get from amaternal grandmother is a rose,
but I feel like this is likesignificant anyway for her.
Did she really love her gardenand love gardening and flowers?
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Was she quite feminine likethat?
Kristin Rowell (46:23):
She was very feminine, she loved flowers.
She really loved butterflies,which was interesting.
Amber Annette (46:28):
So butterflies and flowers for sure yes, so the
butterflies you're assignedfrom her.
And now was she.
I wanna say she feels likedainty to me.
Does that match her?
She feels like I see her withalmost like this little card
again over her shoulders.
I see her with a string ofpearls I don't know if you
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remember that from her or withher, but they feel like they
were just one of, like thisnecklace that she's pointing me
out to feels just like it wassomething very precious and very
sacred to her.
Kristin Rowell (46:59):
Anything about that Resonate I don't know
whether she had a necklace thatwas particularly special, but I
definitely would describe her asdainty.
I was always obsessed with herhands and her fingers.
They were so feminine and shehad beautiful fingernails.
Amber Annette (47:13):
So, yes, and now I also feel like with her she
had a very strong faith.
Is that accurate?
Yes, we did, was she?
She must have been likeChristian or Catholic possibly,
and Lutheran and Lutheran okay,and it's sometimes hard to tell
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between like.
Kristin Rowell (47:35):
But I could doubt.
Yeah, I say it's alwaysCatholicism without all the Mary
, all the Mary.
Amber Annette (47:42):
Yeah, that's great.
I just I get that image of thecross from her, which when I get
that image, that's usuallysomebody's telling me that they
were Christian and they had astrong faith in belief and as,
oh, she's so happy to beconnected in this moment.
Just, she loved, she kind ofdoes this, she takes her hands
to like the face and she's justlike she loved her girls.
Kristin Rowell (48:06):
She always did girls.
She always did girls.
So much.
Amber Annette (48:11):
And she knows your mother misses her
tremendously.
She, your mom, still it feelslike talks to her almost every
day.
Now I know you said butterfly,but she tells me it's like this
image of a hummingbird.
Do you know if your mom getsimages of a hummingbird or
hummingbird?
Kristin Rowell (48:27):
from her.
Yes, I know that hummingbirdwas one of their things, for
sure, along with Cardinals, butthey loved hummingbirds.
We at one point in ourchildhood home, I think, had
like a hummingbird feeder, whichis interesting to have a
hummingbird come around, and shemay have also had one of those
as well.
Amber Annette (48:43):
Yeah, she's very present around your family.
Do you have a younger niece?
Do you have a niece?
Yes, I have.
Did she take on part of hername?
Kristin Rowell (48:57):
Yes, she did.
Lucy made a double name.
Amber Annette (49:00):
Yes, she just said, she just thought that was
so sweet.
She just she couldn't make.
She's almost just like.
I can't believe that you wouldgive my you know, like my name
would carry on like that.
She was just very proud of that, very honored with that.
So just a very loving, I meanlike just such a beautiful
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loving spirit comes from her foryou and for your whole family,
and she is with all of you.
Thank you so much, that'sbeautiful.
You're so welcome.
Oh, I love that, thank you.
Kristin Rowell (49:35):
I feel so connected to her now.
Amber Annette (49:38):
Oh well, I have just loved this episode with you
.
Kristin, you're gonna have tocome back on.
You're gonna have to update uson all of those things I can't
wait to hear about the move, thenext book, the beach girl.
You're on fire.
I am so just excited for youand this next step in your
journey and for being here withme today.
Kristin Rowell (49:57):
So Thank you so much, amber.
I really really enjoyed ourtime together.
This was awesome.
Amber Annette (50:02):
Yes, it was so wonderful.
And to all of my listeners,thank you for being here too,
and until our next episode, hey,I want you to go see a sign
today, and Kristin's grandmothercame forward and had this
beautiful image of a hummingbirdand I'm gonna just send that to
you as well.
My invitation is that you goconnect with spirit and see the
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image of a hummingbird and justfeel that extra magic that the
universe can send your way.
So until next episode, go seeyour sign, go be in your magic
and thank you for being here.
See you soon.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode.
I hope it inspired and ignitedyour entrepreneurial spirit, in
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Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the
show that helps you ignite yoursoul's purpose, turn up your
creativity and activate salesand marketing magic.
I'm your host, amber Annette,and I'm thrilled to be here with
you today to explore the depthof what it means to be a woman
in business.
I believe that business is morethan just making money.
It's about making a differenceand making your mark.
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So sit back, get present andlet's dive in and uncover the
secrets to building a businesswith soul, purpose and magic.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Business Psychic.
I'm Amber Annette, I am yourhost and you are in for a
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special ride today.
Let me welcome to you today'sguest, kristen Wauwel.
She is a functional nutritionaltherapist and the founder and
CEO of Energetically Efficient.
She coaches men and women inprioritizing their health and
wellness to improve theirprofessional success.
But let me tell you that biojust does not do her justice,
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because there is so much moremagic and wisdom and creativity
and, believe me, the most highvibe energy I've ever been able
to connect in with another humanbeing.
So, kristen, welcome.
We gotta get you a much betterbio.
That just says how freakingfantastic you are Welcome
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welcome.
Kristin Rowell (01:27):
Thank you so much for having me, amber, and I
appreciate that.
Bios are something that youknow.
I was so used to writingsomething for the vanilla and
factual as a lawyer and then Ibuilt this new business and so
it's still unprogramming.
I say all of the time.
I'm still unprogramming for myold life and reprogramming, so I
appreciate that reflection,thank you.
Amber Annette (01:46):
I know, right before we start, right before we
hit record, I was like I feellike I have past lives in this
life and I say that quitefrequently.
But for you, like you really do, I mean I feel like, if
anything you like, just take usback to kind of the beginning,
so kind of where you started,started out as a lawyer, and
where you are now, so ouraudience can just get the gist
(02:08):
of, like how cool this journeyhas been for you, of
entrepreneurship.
Yes.
Kristin Rowell (02:13):
I'd love to share that Thank you, and one of
the things that I always sharewith people when I start talking
about my story is I can now seemy story in hindsight, but I
had no concept of what washappening to me at the time.
So it really, if I take it wayback, it's like I got divorced
in 2010.
And I started doing Alenonbecause I had addiction issues
in my marriage with my husband,and so that was part of my
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awakening.
And then, because I was such arobot and still like working,
working, working as a lawyer tocope with all the pain of my
divorce, all of a sudden, inDecember of 2013, the universe
brought me this amazingexperience where I fell on ice
in Williston, north Dakota, andbroke my right leg in 10 places,
and that was another huge pointin my awakening, because that's
really what got me interestedin nutrition.
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I started to research like waita second, what could someone
who has run all these marathonsand who's very strong and I was
lifts weights Like how could Ihave broken my bone that bad, my
bones that bad?
And it was my tibia in my rightleg, so it's the main bone that
holds your leg together.
Of course the right representsthe masculine and I was breaking
down a lot of my masculineprogramming so I thought that
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was interesting, but that reallyis love the metaphor there.
Right, I'm, like, so aware nowof things that were always
happening for me.
One at the time they, of course, felt like they were happening
very much to me, so I had thatfall in 2013, continued in my
lawyering ways, and then,several years later, it happened
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to be in the fall of 2017.
After I ended what I consideredto be the last toxic
relationship I'll ever have, Istarted meditating, and so
that's really what sparked myinterest in deeper into
nutrition, because I couldn'tignore the call and the callings
that I was having in meditation.
It was like little littlesynchronicity started to happen
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because I created this regularmeditation practice.
I really got into it in 2018.
And then, as 2018 and early 2019came and went, I was just
noticing things like I'd be in ameeting with clients as a
lawyer and all of a sudden, theclient would pull me aside and
be like, yeah, I'm reallyinterested in losing weight.
Do you think you could help mewith that?
Or I really I noticed you havea lot of energy and I'm
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interested in having more energy.
It was almost as if clients inmy new business were presenting
themselves to me because theywere lining me, of course, on
this new path.
And so in the summer of 2019, Ifinally decided to leave the
practice of law and start thisbusiness, and I've been growing
it and building it ever since.
Amber Annette (04:40):
Freaking love it.
I love like.
I love entrepreneurship so much, but I love the people that are
entrepreneurial more.
You know what I mean andthere's something I wrote down
as you were talking which islike the calling.
I talk all the time with myclients, with inside my clarity
collective micro program.
What does the calling feel likefor you?
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Because I watch so many womenstruggle with this.
I think a lot of times theythink it's gonna be this like
big, booming voice from the skywhere God's like saying this is
your calling and in reality,what it you know like.
For me, it just started.
It can just be these likelittle subtle drops.
(05:23):
You know Like if you've everlistened to Steve Jobs'
commencement speech, he talksabout callings being like these
dots that were always connecting.
But like best, I listened to itprobably a few times a year
because if you haven't everlistened to Steve Jobs'
commencement speech, but anyway.
So what does the calling?
What did it feel like for you?
(05:44):
Like I want you to physicallydescribe it and like emotionally
describe it, because I thinkit's so important that everybody
is calling, feels and sounds alittle bit different when it
shows up for them.
Kristin Rowell (05:54):
It's so true and one of the things just to frame
it also for your listeners,because I'd say this is very
true for my clients and maybeyours as well Before I started
meditating, there's no way, Idon't care how hard the universe
was trying to get my attention,there's no way I would have
heard it, seen it, felt it,known it, because I was so on
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robot lawyer mode, going athousand miles an hour all the
time.
So one of the biggest thingsthat I think it's important for
people to just really hear andtune into is we have to allow
that time for us to be still.
And if you're like, oh, I'msomeone who doesn't meditate,
you know you probably need to doit more.
But even just getting stillwith yourself and not constantly
being inundated with so muchinformation all the time and so
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much doing, was like one of mybig things.
So for me, in terms of what itfelt like and what it like
physically looked like it was Italk about this poll, which I
know sounds like sort ofesoteric, like what does that
mean?
But I had this insane interestin learning about reading, about
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talking with people, abouteverything related to nutrition
and fitness that all of a suddenbecame more than just like
something I do outside of work.
It became something I reallywas, spending every single
amount of my free time.
How can I just learn more aboutthis?
It was something that lit me upwhen I would think about it,
talk about it, and they say andI'm sure you know you say this
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as well.
I always say now it's like Ifigured out what I love to do
and then I figured out how toget paid for it, you know, which
is like the ultimateentrepreneur.
Amber Annette (07:29):
Lean into it.
Getting paid for bringing yourgifts to the world absolutely
yes.
It's like it really lights youup, and then that brings with it
this whole other ball ofinsecurities and concerns.
I feel so grateful that sellingyour gifts is definitely a
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skill.
You have to be skilled, in myopinion, in sales if you are
going to be a successfulentrepreneur, and no matter how
gifted you are, having the giftof being able to sell is just
going to maximize your abilityto be in your gift.
Kristin Rowell (08:16):
Yeah, and just once you're in your gift, I feel
like it pours out of you.
So for me I just when you askedabout the emotion it's like
when I think about when I've hada conference around nutrition,
when I'm listening to a podcastabout nutrition, when I'm
talking to someone about it I'mfeeling joy, I'm feeling lit up,
I'm feeling excited, I'mfeeling in flow, I'm feeling
easeful, I'm feeling safe in mynervous system.
(08:38):
All of those things make meexcited.
I don't get the Sunday scarieslike I used to when I was
clearing.
Oh yeah, and let me be veryclear like I loved lawyering, I
loved it, yeah.
And then what happened as Istarted meditating is I realized
that I evolved out of it and Idon't think, as humans, enough
people really pause and realizewe are meant to evolve.
(09:00):
I know that it's a very pysyand model thing to be born, go
to school, learn a bunch ofstuff, get married, have 2.5
kids, get a job and keep youknow at that same job until you
retire and then you die, likeit's such a linear way of living
and we're just so out of thatmodel now.
And so when we evolve, it'slike, oh my God, I actually what
(09:22):
.
I'm going to have a phase twocareer.
Are you kidding me?
And how exciting.
Maybe someday in my 70s I'llhave a phase three.
I don't know.
But it was just exciting that Iwas feeling this excitement, joy
and fulfillment.
Really, that's really what Iwas feeling when it came to
anything that came to nutrition.
I just loved it.
(09:42):
And then my mom reminded mewhich I always think this is so
fun to think of, like past stuff.
She said you know, do youremember that you wrote in the
high school yearbook that youwere going to at some point have
some sort of healthy smoothieshop or something with one of
your friends, like someday?
Oh, my gosh, I'm kidding me.
So you know, when you stripaway the parental programming,
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the societal conditioning or thecultural condition, all of that
stuff, it's like who did Ireally come here to be and what
really lights my soul up, andwhen you start to go down that
path of figuring it out, there'snothing more rewarding.
Amber Annette (10:16):
And I think it's so interesting.
You're bringing up like thingsfrom our childhood, right, like
I can remember being little,little like probably four years
old maybe, or young, like three,four or five years old, and I
would set up all of my likestuffed animals and my Barbies
and my toys in a row, like Iwould put them all in a row like
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they were in seats, like in anauditorium, and then I would get
my like fake microphonewhatever I was pretending was my
microphone and I would stand upon the coffee table and who
knows what I was like talking tothem about or singing to them
about or whatever.
You know, when you're a littlekid and you're full of
creativity like that.
But I literally still to thisday can remember like being so
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passionate and like havingsomething just like ready to go,
and those things are importantthat we remember.
I personally feel like at thatage we are still so like
literally the word just I didn'teven mean to say it but like
soul connected.
We're still connected to likethat bigger reason and that
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bigger purpose why we're here,why we came here, and you know I
use this great analogy I'm sureyou've probably heard it A lot
of times people talk about.
You know, in relationships,people that come in and out of
your life, like having a reason,a season and a lifetime.
And I've been saying lately,it's the same with your purpose.
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We have multiple sole purposesthat we are here to experience
and they are here for a reason,a season and some of them a
lifetime.
And so, like when I think ofyou and being, you know, being
that lawyer and being thatbadass woman in business, and
like taking what is it?
Like kicking ass, taking namesright, that served a purpose
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Absolutely Before a season.
It was for a season.
Kristin Rowell (12:12):
Yes, you're absolutely right, and I loved it
when I did it, like I reallyenjoyed it and so I was thriving
to it.
I did it for 16 years.
It's not like I was in for afew years and walked out and I
really, when I left, like theday I left the practice of law,
it was Friday, june 7 of 2019.
I sobbed most of the day.
I cried with my partners.
I went to a girlfriend'sbirthday that night.
(12:33):
A bunch of my girlfriends werethere and I spent a whole entire
party crying.
I was so sad about what was,you know, both the end of an era
but the start of something soexciting and new, and I was
excited about that.
But I also was grieving theloss of this significant part of
my identity and what brought mejoy for so many years until it
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didn't you know, until I knewI'm being asked by the universe
to serve in this bigger, higherway.
And now I have so many lawyers,accountants, like a lot of
professionals who are my oldcolleagues, as clients, because
they realize I can understandthe demands of time in their
work and so I can help you knowwork with them and nutrition and
lifestyle practices that willwork for them.
(13:15):
They know that I get them, butalso because they understand
that I really have figured outthis way to prioritize kind of
what matters and let the work bean ancillary part of who I was
while I was doing it.
You know.
Well done, thank you.
Thank you, it's been a reallyfun journey.
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Entrepreneurship and I'm surebecause you've been in it much
longer than I have it'ssomething I never thought I'd
sign up for.
I mean, in some ways, whenyou're building a book of
business as a lawyer, you areyour own little entrepreneur
because you're cranking in newclients and cases and helping to
build a law firm, for sure, butyou also have the safety of
other lawyers and colleagueswith you.
And when you go out on your ownand you do this, it is like,
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okay, I am betting on me.
And I think one of thequestions that I've gotten most
often since I chose to leave waswere you scared?
Was it scary?
Did you have a lot of feararound it?
And the truthful, truthfulanswer, amber, is that I didn't.
Now, maybe it was because Ihave, you know, some amount of
naivety when it comes tobuilding a business, but it
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really was this unwaveringconfidence and belief in myself
and I thought, as long as I beton myself, I can't go wrong.
And I genuinely believed that.
And it also so happened that Ileft in June of 2019, and I
always say then the world shutdown about nine months later and
everyone wanted to startgetting healthy, because
everyone was.
You know, things were going tohell in a handbasket during
COVID.
Amber Annette (14:39):
The universe knows what it's doing with
timing.
Kristin Rowell (14:41):
let me tell you it sure does, and so I just
trusted in that and I could notget over how aligned everything
was.
It was really, really, reallygreat.
And then, because I was anequity owner in my firm, they
had to buy me out over a periodof time and so I also had this
sort of gentle ramp up where Iwas getting paid, I mean not a
lot of money, but a little bitof money for the for the few
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years after I left, and so thatjust helped sort of even
everything out.
It just worked out reallynicely in terms of being able to
build my business with thatsafety net.
It was nice.
Amber Annette (15:11):
Yeah, I, there's like that.
What is it like?
The golden parachute?
You know, it's like it's almostlike the universe.
The universe will like provideand when it comes to, you know,
I and I get it like.
And now that there haven't beentimes, I mean I think we all
experienced like some momentsright of hesitation or
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overthinking.
I think there are more momentsfor me now, as an entrepreneur,
where I can overthink thingsversus like getting really
scared or fearful or worried.
But one of the things that Ialways think of and I work with
a lot of newer entrepreneurs andI always say to them the only
plan B we have is to believedeeper.
That's, that's our only plan B.
(15:59):
We don't you know like when,whenever people are like oh,
maybe I need to know, we're not,we're not looking for a job,
we're going to believe evendeeper.
Now you're being invited to goeven deeper into your even even
deeper, like that's when you digdown.
Kristin Rowell (16:13):
In those moments you know like I love that you
said that, because one of thethings I've toyed with recently
is just last summer of 2022.
What year we in?
Yeah, 2022 is when my threeyear license came up for a
lawyering and so I did all myCEs and I renewed my license,
and now I have another threeyear period that I'm in before I
would renew again and I'msaying to myself, my goodness,
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renew it.
You know, it's just sointeresting because I wasn't
renewing it as a backstop.
I never have thought, oh, I'mgoing to run back into the
practice of law.
It was more about it's, moreabout am I ready to let go of
that part of my identity andit's you have so many ego deaths
in the journey of spiritualityand in the becoming who you
truly are that, like you know,there's even a motion for me
(16:56):
around thinking of letting it go.
It's like, oh, what are youwithout that title or without
that?
You know, it's so crazy.
Amber Annette (17:06):
I say again, right before we have done here.
We were talking about writingand one of the things that I
think probably that I have wrotethat I'm most proud of is a
message about saying goodbye andthat the hardest goodbye and
that saying goodbye in generalas a human being is one of the
hardest things we ever do.
But in my personal journey andexperience and the women that I
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work with, it's saying goodbyeto past versions of ourself.
That is the hardest.
Who we used to be.
I've shared recently and Idon't even know if you maybe
know this, kristen, but I'm inthe middle of a divorce and
saying goodbye to this versionof me of being married and the
family and holidays oh my goshthings.
(17:52):
It's just saying goodbye to whoshe was and I'm so appreciative
of who I was and how she got meto where I am now.
But it is for me, it's thehardest part of life.
Kristin Rowell (18:02):
It's saying goodbye, and I think it's such a
good thing to just pause andreflect on that.
No matter what sort of thingsyou go through in life, whether
you stay married, whether youget divorced which I've
obviously been divorced, whichis a very painful part of my
life as well, and I was lettinggo of the married Kristen as
opposed to the single, divorcedKristen All of those iterations
of us are bringing us to thishigher and better version of
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ourselves that feels so scary tobe out on this limb, like
trying to explore and who is sheand discovering her, but it's
also so rewarding.
I do a lot of I host retreats,but I also go on a lot of
spiritual retreats and spendtime in meditation and cool
parts of the planet, sort ofdiving deep.
I was recently in Peru andBolivia doing just that which
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was a part of the world I'dnever been to and yeah and so
just having those times andspaces and places carved out of
my calendar to just kind of beand surrender and just discover
and be in this mysticalunfolding of who I'm becoming in
this enough season like wetalked about season of life,
because I can very much feellike I'm in this transition
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phase right now and I don't evenknow if I can speak about it
more eloquently than that to sayI'm in the middle of some deep
transition and I don't reallyknow what that means, but I just
know that I'm in it and I'mcurious what the universe is
gonna show me in terms of whatI'm evolving into.
Amber Annette (19:24):
And I think what if I had to summarize, I think,
what you're saying and what I'mfeeling from it?
It's you know, you're alsofollowing your intuition in
these decisions and I reachedand maybe you reached this in
your divorce or I reached thispoint in lots of things in
making decisions honestly.
And when I just follow myintuition and I make a decision,
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it makes me looking at that endresult so much easier, because
I mean there have been timeswhere I'm like, okay, my
intuition and the universe wouldnot have brought me this far.
To just be like just kidding,you made the wrong choice, like
you know, like psych yes, wewere just messing with you the
whole time.
You missed that right turnabout a year ago.
(20:11):
You know it's, you're into thoseintuitive decisions.
That inner knowing is nevergoing to lead you to a place
that you're not meant to be.
It's just, it's not gonnahappen.
And there are moments like thatwhere I mean I am just so and
it's why I do what I do.
I love helping women steal andown their inner knowing, because
(20:34):
then you never I shouldn't sayI never doubt Like, never is a
strong word Like, let's behonest.
I mean there are moments right,but in those moments it's a
flicker.
It's a flicker versus anindecisive paralyzing point, you
know, which could have happenedand did happen to me a long
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time ago, before really honoringthat inner knowing and
listening to the universe.
And we have to be able to allrecognize that for what it is
and it shows up.
I think that's where maybe mostpeople can get confused as it
shows up in so many differentways.
It can show up as like a mess Imean, how many you know this is
(21:15):
for you and for my audience but, like, have you ever had
somebody come to you and be likeI don't know?
I just feel like I need toshare this with you.
Yes, I don't.
When somebody says that to me,you can better believe that I
know the universe is workingthrough them to give me a
message.
I welcome it, welcome it.
Or you know, I think you know,like the like, there are signs
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and synchronicities for all ofus everywhere, and it's being
able to recognize it in themoment for what it is for us as
an individual.
Sure, there are signs for thecollective right, like we've all
kind of like summarized andsaid okay, if we see 11, 11, and
we know it's a spiritual number, like these, like three through
three or two, right, like thoseare cool things.
But there's also those reallyindividualized signs and
(22:01):
synchronicities that theuniverse is giving to us all the
time with one reason and it'sto say keep going, girl, it's
just, it's just.
They're everywhere and I'm sograteful that I see them and
honor them and embody them.
And I've just made it mypurpose and I know it's part of
your purpose too to help otherpeople see them for what they
are and to honor them.
Kristin Rowell (22:22):
It's so true and the thing is it requires that
actually paying attention andbeing aware and just kind of
noting this being present, beingpresent, exactly so being
present is the key.
The day that I was notifying mysenior partner, who I was very
close with still in close withthe day I was notifying that him
that I was leaving the firm.
You know, one of the way that myspirit guides on the other side
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show up for me is in numbersequences, it's like but now how
many?
And for me it typically happenson license plates, but it can
happen all sorts of places.
So I made I ended up making avoice note about it on my phone,
because I was so overwhelmedwith gratitude to them about, on
the day that I was going tonotify the firm that I was
leaving, how many numbersequences I saw from the moment
(23:07):
I woke up.
I mean to like how many emailswere in my trash, how many
emails were in my inbox, howmany all sorts of things I could
.
They were all around me all dayand I thought, okay, thank you
for reminding me I'm on theright path.
Thank you for reminding me I'mon the right path.
It was like a confirmation forme that this was the day I was
supposed to do it and that onceI released that message, I would
just feel this huge weight offmy shoulders and know that I was
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getting closer and closer andcloser to my new aligned purpose
, which was just so rewarding,so rewarding.
Amber Annette (23:36):
I remember giving my notice to and now how I say
it is very different from likewhat I was like thinking and
feeling in the moment, but Iremember.
So I worked in the financialservices industry for about 15
years and I think you might haveknown that and I remember like
this had I had just got my likedream role, like just got it,
(23:57):
had just been given a pay raise.
That's like the most money I'dever made before.
I mean I'm talking within weeksand at the same time all of
that was happening, I was likeready to go full on being a
psychic medium around.
You know, doing psychic.
I was still doing a lot ofpsychic mediumship, but I really
wanted to be a business psychic, like I knew it.
(24:18):
And I remember sitting at thisdesk and I can't remember it was
like alone, I needed to.
It was like something waslending and I was you guys can't
see me, but I remember like Iwanted to like pound my head on
this desk Like I was slumpedover, I felt dead.
I literally felt dead.
I had zero energy and I justremember sitting there, going.
I just want to be working on mybusiness, like it was just so
(24:44):
clear to me and I was at thetime, you know, breadwinner of
my family, four kids, a daughterabout to go to college, like
like Riker I think at the time,was like oh my gosh, like not
even a year old.
You know how am I supposed tolike give up this like multi,
six figures, like all the things.
I was like, holy shit, how am Igoing to do this?
And I'll never remember or I'llnever forget this and I still
(25:07):
do this with my clients this day.
I looked at it from a timeperspective.
I was like I'm spending 55 to60 hours a week driving here,
working here, not to mention thesun suns I used to call it sun
ziety, where Sunday I had suchhigh anxiety about having to go
to work on my sun ziety.
(25:27):
So like I was like if I had 60hours a week to devote to my
business, could I replace myincome.
And I remember just likeperking up at my desk and being
like I can do this, like I justthis wave of like I can do this,
I'm meant for this and I didn'teven, I don't even think I gave
(25:48):
, I think I gave a two weeknotice, but I didn't even stay
the full two weeks.
I ended up going within like 10days of giving my notice
because I just I couldn't waitto be on my calling, oh and.
Kristin Rowell (25:58):
I I love that, and one of the things I heard
you say, Amber, which is like sogood for people to hear, is
that sun ziety, like Sundayscary is the anxiety that you
get on Sunday To me.
Now I understand it more, asit's really a sign that you're
out of alignment with yourpurpose.
Oh, heartedly Right.
It's more than just a funnything that there are memes about
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on the internet and peoplelaugh about it.
Amber Annette (26:23):
It's like no, what's actually happening is
you're out of alignment andthat's why you feel those
feelings in your body and don'tignore those feelings Like
that's even more the feelingsare the only sign you need
honestly Like that and don't getme wrong like I love me a good
license plate, I love looking atthe clock and seeing it's 11-11
(26:43):
.
I love it like white feathersare freaking, flying around me
all day long, every day, and Iknow that the emotion I'm
feeling is the only sign Iactually really, really need.
Yeah, it's so important.
It tells you everything youneed to know about what is good,
right and aligned it does.
Kristin Rowell (27:03):
And so for me, when I go back to the fact that
I was towards in 2010,.
At the time, I literally had noaccess to my emotions.
I had grown up in a home whereit's it's.
Everything was positive, wedidn't have negative emotions,
we didn't have conflict, wedidn't.
And what I realize now is thatI had this model from parents
where there wasn't access totheir emotions, and so I didn't
(27:25):
have it, and so I had to spendthis journey getting divorced at
the age of 35.
This journey in my 30s andtherapy, like literally trying
to figure out what I was feelingand then be able to speak about
it and then move through it.
So, like my journey includedthis whole part about wait.
What am I actually feeling inmy body?
Do I feel scared?
Do I feel confused?
Do I feel lit up withexcitement?
(27:47):
Do you know?
And it was just a journey,because you're right, your
emotions are such an importantguide in terms of where you are
at with your purpose.
Amber Annette (27:56):
Yeah, oh, so good .
Well, speaking of purpose, Iwant you to talk a little bit
about your new book that youjust released, which I'm super
excited for share with us, andcongratulations.
I'm always so in freaking aweof authors.
I am, I'm like always, nomatter, like if it's a New York
(28:17):
Times bestseller or if it'sliterally like a self published
on Amazon.
Like I am like, I am in awe atauthors because it is to me.
It has been the biggest, thebiggest obstacle and the biggest
challenge I have ever.
I haven't overcome it yet.
To be very like, I get superclose and I just can't hit
publish.
So well done that.
(28:37):
You hit publish, girl.
Kristin Rowell (28:39):
Tell us about it , thank you so much it was a
labor of love.
Over the course of over here, Inaively thought I will throw
this cookbook together, I'll beable to get it out by the end of
the year, in 2022.
And I was just so unaware ofthe depth of the process that it
would take.
But it was a really fun journeyto go through and so I did
decide to.
My sister owns her ownpublishing company called Rodney
(29:01):
K Press, so I hired her to takeme through the whole publishing
process.
I had done all the photos forthe cookbook in the summer of
2022, and had written all therecipes, and then it really
literally from the fall of 2022,when I hosted a launch party
and had such a fun time likeexcited that I might have it
ready for Christmas.
It actually didn't come outuntil this September of 2023,
(29:22):
because there's so much editingand designing and all this stuff
that I just was unaware of.
But I remember when I saw thefirst draft of the book online,
of course, before I ordered myown and it was like this is the
sexiest cookbook I've ever seen.
That's amazing.
It was amazing.
So the designers did such afantastic job just helping hone
(29:43):
into my vision and have itconsistent with my energetically
efficient brand.
My whole intention writing thecookbook was I wanted a resource
for people who feel reallyoverwhelmed with all the
nutrition information out thereto say, okay, I'm a super busy
professional, but I also want toeat well, and so what are some
things I can do, Like here'ssomething I might make when I
(30:03):
have more time on a Sunday.
Here's something I might havewhen it's like middle of the day
on Thursday and I have to justgrab something quick.
It's got a lot of recipes at alot of different levels to meet
people where they're at, and soI have a whole section of the
book that talks about whateating efficiently means, what
eating efficiently is not how toeat for balanced blood sugar,
and my whole intention around itis really helping people take
(30:24):
control of their health and showthem that it is not hard to eat
nutritionally.
It's just a little bit of alearning a new language in the
beginning.
Amber Annette (30:33):
Oh I well, I'm definitely, I'm ordering.
I want to sign copy.
First of all, I will give you asign copy.
Kristin Rowell (30:42):
And what's fun is it was released when I was on
a retreat, when my businessmastermind, I, was retreating
Tuscany when it got released andin less than 48 hours it was a
number one a seller on Amazonand a number one new release on
Amazon, which was so exciting.
Amber Annette (30:57):
So congratulations, that's amazing
Well done.
Kristin Rowell (31:01):
Thank you.
It was so fun, so I'm going toobviously do some more
promotional stuff about it forthe holidays, because I think
it's a great gift to give forthe holidays.
And, of course, amazon can shipto someone directly for you, so
it's really fun.
Amber Annette (31:12):
And we'll make sure to put the link in the show
notes.
So if you're listening and youwant to grab Kristen's cookbook,
definitely go check out theshow notes, and I know we have.
You have a great free gift foreverybody too, that we'll put
the link there for so they canbe on your newsletter and get
your, get your energy in theform of an email as well,
absolutely.
And what else do you want toshare?
(31:35):
Anything else?
Kristin Rowell (31:37):
The only other thing I think that would be
helpful for people if they'reinterested in this ever is one
thing I run quarterly, which Ijust personally it's like a huge
passion of mine is running thistwo weeks nutritional
detoxification, or cleanse.
And a lot of people think of theword cleanse and they're like,
oh my God, is that a juice fast?
I don't want to only drinkjuice.
The answer is no, it's a ton ofreal food.
In fact, a lot of people whoare in my course are like Wait,
(31:59):
I really have to eat this muchfood and you expect me to like
have a flatter tummy and loseweight and have more energy and
whatever.
And I'm like, yes, this is themagic of a cleanse.
So I I share about that on mysocial media, I share about that
in email releases, of course,but I'm just finishing my fall
cleanse right now myself, and soit's just been a really
powerful two weeks.
That ends up, you know, havingmy skin feel really good, giving
(32:20):
me a ton of energy.
I sleep so much better and lovedoing it over Halloween because
that prevents me from eatingany of the candy Otherwise it's
like I told like it's pretty badwhen you tell your kid to hide
the candy bag from you.
I was like, oh, my niece andnephew and I was like, okay, so,
auntie, just kind of likes likeReese's are my favorite, can I
just have one?
And then they both want to giveme one.
(32:40):
So I've got like this candystash in my cupboard that I'll
have at some point.
Yes, so that's just anotheroffering that I have.
It's kind of one of my lowerlevel entry offer, entry level
offerings that I like to tellpeople about because it's a very
, very powerful course.
Amber Annette (32:54):
Yeah, I know for myself I've always kind of
struggled like up and down withmy weight like, but especially
being in the last 10 years as anentrepreneur, you know, like
I'm sitting at my desk right now, like I'm at my desk I'm like
nutrition needs to be optimalbecause of how much movement I
kind of don't get in the day.
And I think for me and I know alot of the women that I know
(33:18):
that kind of struggle with thisit's like the consistency you
know, staying consistent withthe meal prep and the food and
the menu, and like if you had togive somebody a tip and are
around like consistency, whatwould?
What would that be?
Kristin Rowell (33:32):
Yeah, great question.
So I know it can seemoverwhelming to be like, oh my
God, do I have to do this?
Like meal prepping and all thisstuff for the rest of my life
and even for me who's in thisworld?
Like it gets annoying for me.
Sometimes all everyone's willcall my sister and be like I
just want someone else to makeme dinner tonight.
You know, yeah, just like goand sit somewhere at a
restaurant and have someone makeme dinner because everyone's
(33:53):
well, it just feels superoverwhelming and then I really
just in those moments say, okay,fine, I'm going to go get a
healthy meal.
Like I'll go to, like I'll goto towel natural foods in
Minneapolis, or I'll go I'll getlike a healthy meal or a
steakhouse and get a steak.
But I'd say, for consistency, acouple of things.
Number one is I think thatpeople underestimate the
(34:13):
importance of staying hydratedduring the day.
It's just drinking that water.
I'm honest to God, you guys like75% of the time I've read this
exact, check me on it if youwant but it's something like 75%
of the time we think we'rehungry, we're actually thirsty.
So it's like every time I tellmy clients, when you think
you're hungry or you findyourself kind of doing some of
that emotional board eating,just go drink a big glass of
(34:35):
water and wait for about 10minutes and see if you're still
hungry.
It honestly will usually passbecause you really need more
water.
So that's one thing.
And then number two is I alwayssay set aside, it does not have
to be the same date and timeevery week, but just say what
day this week am I going tofocus on doing some sort of meal
prep, grocery shopping and mealprep.
You know just where I'm makinglike, and I don't mean like you
(34:58):
have to make a full recipe.
I mean I'm going to heat up abunch of grass-fed ground beef
in the skillet and then I'mgoing to save that in the fridge
so that if I have only half anhour between meetings, I can
heat that up with, like, somebroccoli and put an avocado on
it and that's a meal, somethingthat simple.
Done I have.
I have cooked meat or friend orfish in my fridge all the time
(35:19):
that I just used for the nextcouple of days, and then I might
make some more and use them forthe next couple of days.
So I think, biting off things inlittle chunks, like just think
of what protein can I haveavailable, and then I can build
a meal around that protein,because otherwise we all get in
the point where we're like, oh,I have a really short break
right now, but I'm really hungryand now I'm just going to grab
(35:39):
that protein bar, I'm going toeat those chips.
It's like we reach for thingsthat are just the easy, quick
thing.
Quick things, yeah and I knowthe saying is annoying, but it
is true Fail the perfect thing.
It's like your psychic.
Amber Annette (35:50):
I literally grabbed a protein bar right
before this call and I was like,oh my gosh, I have to like, get
, but it would have been muchbetter if I would have had a
chicken breast ready to just eatquickly or like, and I love
protein bars as much as the nextgirl, so, trust me, I use them
too on occasion.
Kristin Rowell (36:11):
But I tell my clients when you find yourself
like, oh, now I had two proteinbars today.
I had one client at one pointshe was eating three protein
bars a day and I said this isn'tfood.
We need to get you back toactually be real food.
And this is why I do thiscleanse every quarter, because
it forces me to start eatingvegetables and everything again.
When I get off track and all ofa sudden I'm like, oh, all your
(36:32):
foods came from a package today, it's like, of course, correct.
And that's why I do it everyquarter, because it just it
makes me be like OK, it doesn'ttake that long to chop some
onion, to chop some garlic.
I can listen to a podcast whileI do it.
It actually can be veryswarming for my central nervous
system.
It's a break from work.
Amber Annette (36:50):
If you look at it sort of with a different
attitude and feel like it's metime, I feel like it's self-care
time, it becomes more fun andthen I can just play with it you
know, I love that you're sayingthat, because one of the
conversations I was just havingwith myself was around working
out, and this is for probablythe best reasons and the not so
(37:11):
great of reasons why I do this.
But I always want to be workingin my business or on my
business.
I either want to be creatingcontent, recording a podcast, I
want to be writing, I want to beputting stuff out on social
Like.
I am obsessed in the best waypossible with being in my
purpose.
I love it, and it often keepsme from doing the things like
(37:35):
working out, meal, all of thosethings.
So I was like, how can Iincorporate, how can I do this?
How can I incorporate workingout and my business?
And I was like, well, what if Ijust sit on the bike, even?
And what if I go live?
Like, what if I did likeworkout, readings, Like I can be
(37:56):
like you know what I mean?
Like just go live.
It's not like I'm going to beworking out to the point where
I'm like can't breathe, Like I'mnot the girl, I'm not that girl
.
But I was like, well, what if Ijust I mean, people do get
ready with me.
You know All those kinds ofthings I was like well, what if
I just work out and channel atthe same time?
Kristin Rowell (38:14):
Why not Totally?
And you could go on a walkoutside and channel and be on
your phone talking while you'realso moving.
Yeah, I'm like it's cold,that's true, I mean I have this
great setup in my home of like.
Amber Annette (38:27):
I have a great stationery bike, I have
everything like you couldpossibly.
It's like it's the do it, it'sthe starting, it's the doing it.
Kristin Rowell (38:35):
You know, because when I do workout, I
love it, I enjoy it, and theother thing is just to kind of
reframe it too.
It's like you are so obsessedwith your business, which is so
amazing, and you're so luckythat you love it that much and
you love working, and myquestion for you would be what
if focusing on the workout piecea little bit and the nutrition
piece made you even better atwhat you?
Amber Annette (38:55):
do, it does, oh for sure, I know it does.
Kristin Rowell (38:58):
It does, yeah, it does.
I tell clients that all thetime I'm like you're going to
get better at what you do,because you're going to have
more energy, you're going to bein a better mood.
All of it is related.
Amber Annette (39:08):
Yeah, I mean I'm just.
I mean I'm sitting here havingall kinds of ideas.
Now I'm like, well, what aboutwhen I was cooking?
I mean I could literally dodinner in a medium.
You know, like, do a Facebooklive dinner in a medium?
I'm cooking dinner.
Ask me any of your questions,because, if you think about it,
cooking definitely pulls youpresent.
It's a.
To me, cooking is always a formof meditation.
(39:30):
You know, like working outmoving meditation, absolutely.
So maybe I just need to likereframe this a little bit.
I'll.
If I do this, I'm going to tagyou in it so you can be like
yeah, girl, there you go.
We talked about this on thepodcast.
Kristin Rowell (39:44):
Please do I love that.
No, I love that Because thereality is it is a form of
meditation in both ways and itreally brings you into your body
.
So you're very present inpresent moment time, and I think
that's one of the reasons Ilove working out so much and I
love cooking is because I get inpresent moment time in those
spots.
Amber Annette (40:02):
Yeah, I got the wheels spinning here, so thank
you for that and I am just soappreciative of you being on the
show.
So now, I don't know if you alot, it's so fun, like a lot of
my guests.
I don't know if you've listenedto the podcast or not, but do
you know what happens now inthis part of the show?
I don't know what happens now.
Ah, surprise, yay, yes, allright.
(40:23):
So in true the business psychicfashion, here's what's going to
happen.
I'm going to tap in here andI'm going to give you a business
reading and we're coming at theend of 2023, going into 2024.
So I'm going to give you acouple things just that I kind
of sense and see and pick up on,and I'll share that with you.
And then I have a superimportant question that I will
close out our episode with, andit's like my favorite, favorite
(40:47):
part.
So I'm just going to tap inhere, ok.
So two things.
First thing that comes upimmediately it's time to get on
the.
Kristin Rowell (40:58):
TEDx stage.
Oh my gosh, I love that you'resaying that it literally was one
of my things for my intentions.
I literally have written thatdown as what I want.
Amber Annette (41:07):
Yes, it's happening.
It's time.
I feel like, absolutely.
It's 2024.
The calendar is slippingbetween the month of October and
November.
So if I were you, I woulddefinitely right now, just start
visualizing, standing on thatstage, what you're going to wear
by the outfit, watch more TEDxtalks and YouTube.
(41:31):
I feel like there's anopportunity for you to go viral
on YouTube.
I don't know if you have beenthinking about doing your own
podcast.
I'm going to say don't do apodcast, but do a really good,
juicy YouTube channel.
Anything about that, show upfor you.
Kristin Rowell (41:50):
Yes, I just started a YouTube channel this
year and I haven't did a ton yet.
But that was also my intuition,was, I think, because I'm so
good on video.
It's better and you're stunning, like absolutely stunning.
Amber Annette (42:03):
Of course, you need to be on video.
Kristin Rowell (42:05):
Well, I was thinking that that's the thing I
really want to build, and I hadtalked about a podcast a few
years ago, but it just hasn'tfelt aligned.
I agree, yes, and I've beenlearning.
I have to be on other people'spodcasts and then I have to
build out a YouTube, so that'svery aligned.
Yes, amber, yes.
Amber Annette (42:20):
I love that.
Ok, the other thing that I'mseeing for you and this is on a
personal level I'm seeing a forsale sign.
Are you thinking about moving?
Kristin Rowell (42:30):
Yes, I'm thinking about.
That's so weird.
Now I'm thinking about moving,but I was going to keep my house
and I was thinking about mayberenting it out for an Airbnb,
but I am thinking about moving,which is so bananas.
You and I have not talked aboutthat at all, Of course not.
Amber Annette (42:46):
Yeah, this feels really aligned.
I get the month of March.
I think by March you're goingto really know you're going to
have that knowing.
I also see a lot more time at abeach, so I don't know if you
were thinking about renting orsnow birding or something like
(43:06):
near a beach or if that's like aMinnesota lake I'm seeing, but
it feels much warmer thanMinnesota and for our audience
me and Kristen are both fromMinnesota and it is starting to
get real damn cold here.
Kristin Rowell (43:18):
Yes, yes.
Well, I will say, later thismonth I am going to Cabo, so I
will be by a beach Perfect,which is so fun, and I'm going
to be with my sister, which willbe amazing.
Amber Annette (43:29):
Yeah, I feel also like the OK, so I think they're
two separate things.
So I think by March you'regoing to know where you're
moving to.
I do like the idea of keepingyour existing space, renting it
out, getting some additionalincome from that.
So I love that.
This beach, this trip there'ssomething quite significant that
happens.
I feel like this year has beena lot of anticipation around
(43:55):
what's next and not having asuper clear vision.
But knowing that you're justfollowing and you're keep going,
you're going to have a radicalmoment of clarity on this
upcoming beach trip.
There's a reason that theuniverse was showing me that
beach absolutely, and it's goingto be something that you did
not think it's going to be like,didn't see that coming almost
like a plot twist.
So there's something definitelyabout that beach trip for the
(44:20):
two of you that's going toawaken something.
Kristin Rowell (44:24):
So, exciting.
Amber Annette (44:27):
Also, I see a follow up.
I see a second follow upcookbook, except this one's
going to have less recipes onfood and more recipes Like you
can hear my like I couldn't even.
It's like life recipes.
It's more of like ingredientsfor an energetically efficient
(44:51):
life versus just the nutritionalside of things.
So anything about that resonatefor you.
Kristin Rowell (44:55):
Well, yes, I mean, it's almost like taking
the book that I just wrote andcreating a book.
So I really desire to writelike a bigger book outside of a
cookbook, and this would be away to sort of dovetail off of
what I did, but be sharing stuffthat's outside of the nutrition
space and how I'm broadeninginto what I'm doing with energy.
Yes, it very much resonates.
Amber Annette (45:16):
Yeah, I think you'll work on that in 2024,
probably not release it tillJune 2025.
It's kind of like time framethat I'm kind of picking up on
there for you.
Ok, well, all right, ready forthe question.
Kristin Rowell (45:36):
I am ready for the question.
Amber Annette (45:39):
If you could connect to anybody in spirit and
receive a message from them,who would it be?
Kristin Rowell (45:47):
It would be my maternal grandmother.
Her name was Dorothy.
It would be her, and to receivea message from her.
Amber Annette (45:59):
So and this is pretty so, I talk about like
having a psychic library a lot,and one of the very most common
images that I get from amaternal grandmother is a rose,
but I feel like this is likesignificant anyway for her.
Did she really love her gardenand love gardening and flowers?
(46:21):
Was she quite feminine likethat?
Kristin Rowell (46:23):
She was very feminine, she loved flowers.
She really loved butterflies,which was interesting.
Amber Annette (46:28):
So butterflies and flowers for sure yes, so the
butterflies you're assignedfrom her.
And now was she.
I wanna say she feels likedainty to me.
Does that match her?
She feels like I see her withalmost like this little card
again over her shoulders.
I see her with a string ofpearls I don't know if you
(46:49):
remember that from her or withher, but they feel like they
were just one of, like thisnecklace that she's pointing me
out to feels just like it wassomething very precious and very
sacred to her.
Kristin Rowell (46:59):
Anything about that Resonate I don't know
whether she had a necklace thatwas particularly special, but I
definitely would describe her asdainty.
I was always obsessed with herhands and her fingers.
They were so feminine and shehad beautiful fingernails.
Amber Annette (47:13):
So, yes, and now I also feel like with her she
had a very strong faith.
Is that accurate?
Yes, we did, was she?
She must have been likeChristian or Catholic possibly,
and Lutheran and Lutheran okay,and it's sometimes hard to tell
(47:34):
between like.
Kristin Rowell (47:35):
But I could doubt.
Yeah, I say it's alwaysCatholicism without all the Mary
, all the Mary.
Amber Annette (47:42):
Yeah, that's great.
I just I get that image of thecross from her, which when I get
that image, that's usuallysomebody's telling me that they
were Christian and they had astrong faith in belief and as,
oh, she's so happy to beconnected in this moment.
Just, she loved, she kind ofdoes this, she takes her hands
to like the face and she's justlike she loved her girls.
Kristin Rowell (48:06):
She always did girls.
She always did girls.
So much.
Amber Annette (48:11):
And she knows your mother misses her
tremendously.
She, your mom, still it feelslike talks to her almost every
day.
Now I know you said butterfly,but she tells me it's like this
image of a hummingbird.
Do you know if your mom getsimages of a hummingbird or
hummingbird?
Kristin Rowell (48:27):
from her.
Yes, I know that hummingbirdwas one of their things, for
sure, along with Cardinals, butthey loved hummingbirds.
We at one point in ourchildhood home, I think, had
like a hummingbird feeder, whichis interesting to have a
hummingbird come around, and shemay have also had one of those
as well.
Amber Annette (48:43):
Yeah, she's very present around your family.
Do you have a younger niece?
Do you have a niece?
Yes, I have.
Did she take on part of hername?
Kristin Rowell (48:57):
Yes, she did.
Lucy made a double name.
Amber Annette (49:00):
Yes, she just said, she just thought that was
so sweet.
She just she couldn't make.
She's almost just like.
I can't believe that you wouldgive my you know, like my name
would carry on like that.
She was just very proud of that, very honored with that.
So just a very loving, I meanlike just such a beautiful
(49:24):
loving spirit comes from her foryou and for your whole family,
and she is with all of you.
Thank you so much, that'sbeautiful.
You're so welcome.
Oh, I love that, thank you.
Kristin Rowell (49:35):
I feel so connected to her now.
Amber Annette (49:38):
Oh well, I have just loved this episode with you
.
Kristin, you're gonna have tocome back on.
You're gonna have to update uson all of those things I can't
wait to hear about the move, thenext book, the beach girl.
You're on fire.
I am so just excited for youand this next step in your
journey and for being here withme today.
Kristin Rowell (49:57):
So Thank you so much, amber.
I really really enjoyed ourtime together.
This was awesome.
Amber Annette (50:02):
Yes, it was so wonderful.
And to all of my listeners,thank you for being here too,
and until our next episode, hey,I want you to go see a sign
today, and Kristin's grandmothercame forward and had this
beautiful image of a hummingbirdand I'm gonna just send that to
you as well.
My invitation is that you goconnect with spirit and see the
(50:26):
image of a hummingbird and justfeel that extra magic that the
universe can send your way.
So until next episode, go seeyour sign, go be in your magic
and thank you for being here.
See you soon.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode.
I hope it inspired and ignitedyour entrepreneurial spirit, in
(50:49):
turn of your intuition and trustin the universe.
Make sure to check out the shownotes section for access to my
transformation suite All of freeresources, tools and content to
help you grow your businesswhile staying true to your
soul's purpose.
Until next week, go make somebusiness magic.
Go, sister.
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