January 22, 2025 • 19 mins
Fear often points to the exact path you need to take. In this episode, we explore how shifting your mindset can help you recognize fear and move right past it. As Cameo prepares to sing the national anthem before a massive audience, the conversation centers on why perspective is everything when facing challenges, making decisions, or seizing opportunities. Through personal stories of past performances and moments of vulnerability, we unpack the power of preparation, visualization, and self-belief to transform fear into confidence.
What You’ll Learn:
- Why fear signals the path to growth.
- How the amygdala shapes your fear response—and how to outsmart it.
- The role of preparation and positive self-talk in overcoming anxiety.
- Why vulnerability is the gateway to courage.
- How both faith and fear demand belief in the unseen.
Challenge for You: Embrace what scares you most—it might just lead to your greatest breakthrough.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Cameo Show.
I'm your host, cameo, and weare joined by my husband and
co-host, mr Greg Braun.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We're excited to have you.
You start us with a dad joke.
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, I used to not really be a big fan of facial
hair, but then it started togrow on me.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're such a nerd.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Very good, that was funny right, that was good right
.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Through my teeth.
That was a good one.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You have been rocking a beard for, like gosh, 10
years 15 years, and every time Itry to shave it off, I get in
trouble and told that it doesn'tlook like me and that I need to
put that beard back on.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, because it's a big shocker he doesn't tell
anyone, and then it'll come outout of nowhere, especially when
he had long hair.
So Greg used to have hair notas long as mine, but past his
shoulders down into his chestarea during the 2020 era, and
his beard was very long then too.
And then one day he didn't havea beard and it was like, oh my
(01:03):
God, you didn't tell anybody.
It was a big shocker foreveryone.
You had this long hair and nobeard all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We hadn't seen your face in that way and it was not
a small beard we have to put apicture up or something of it
but it was like a big old amish,like birds living in a beard it
was a lumberjack stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Giant beard yeah, birds living in it is pretty
accurate, yeah.
So today I'm going to be alittle bit vulnerable.
Eye roll If you're not watchingthe video I rolled my eyes
hardcore.
I have an opportunity to dosomething really cool in the
next couple of weeks, somethingthat as a little girl, I dreamed
about doing.
I will be singing the nationalanthem for a large event in a
(01:48):
stadium that seats 65,000 people.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And they will be full of people.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it will be full of people, and I'm so grateful
for the opportunity.
But I'm also, if I'm beinghonest, scared to death.
And the reason that I'm scaredto death is because anytime you
get to do something big, youramygdala the part of your brain
that says I don't know what todo, so just run, fight or flight
pops in and goes through everyfreaking, worst case scenario
(02:19):
ever that you can imaginehappening, that you can imagine
happening, and without the tools, without meditation, without,
you know, an evolved mindsethere, I would just succumb to
that and be like I can't do it,I can't do it, I can't do it.
And I still sometimes feel thatway.
But I know that it's a hugeopportunity, it's something that
(02:40):
I get to do and that, withpractice and preparation and
playing out the best casescenarios in my head as well,
that it will all, it'll beawesome.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, and you have to have a killer mindset here.
You have to have a greatmindset about this stuff,
because if you had any doubtabout your ability, you would
pass on this opportunity.
Because why don't you sharewith our friends here what
happened the last time you sangthe national anthem in a public
(03:11):
setting?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
okay.
So let me back up even furtherthan that.
As a little girl I did a lot ofperforming and I sang the
national anthem all the time forevents big events, little
events, cinc, cincinnati, reds,games, like solo with groups
Just the national anthem issomething that I've done so many
freaking times that you wouldthink it should just come out of
(03:37):
my body like effortlessly.
It's a hard song to sing, firstand foremost, but you know I
have a lot of reps.
But then I grew up and I didn'tpractice and I didn't do it all
the time and a decade goes byand I'm like, well, I still got
it.
I'm going to go try out.
I saw this ad when we firstmoved to Florida that they
(03:59):
allowed members of the localcommunity to come try out to
sing the national anthem for thePittsburgh Pirates spring
training games.
They're here in SouthwestFlorida and I'm like I can
totally do that.
Like the national anthem is myjam, like this is my thing.
I still got it for sure, Idon't really need to practice.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Without any practice, I still got it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I definitely didn't practice.
I just kind of like maybe ranthrough it a couple of times in
the shower before I'm good to gosaying it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You're like I'm good good to go.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So we pack up the kids who are little then and go
to this ball diamond and we signin and sign up and sit down,
and when you sign in you justput your name on a sheet and
they're going to call your name.
Let me just pause right there.
Perhaps a better process wouldhave been you got a number,
because then you would at leastknow, like okay, well, we're on
(04:53):
number 10 and I'm number 18.
I'm going to be coming up heresoon, but they didn't give you
numbers.
It was just whoever's name gotcalled and I didn't know anyone
there and there were.
Nobody knew anyone there.
There were like a bunch ofpeople there.
You would never know who youwere going to be after.
So we sat there with the kidsfor way too many renditions of
(05:14):
the national anthem and it wascold and drizzly.
It wasn't a very nice day and,like I said, the kids were
little.
They were probably bored out oftheir freaking minds like oh my
god.
And I was thinking like this ismom's opportunity to like show
the kids.
Well, at some point I'm like Igotta pee and I can't hold it
anymore, so I'm gonna have to go.
(05:35):
So we leave our seat in betweenperformers and I go to the
restroom, and so this is outsideof the ball field area you go
down the first baseline on theoutside of the diamond, so
you're pretty far away.
Pretty far away, like you'retrying out singing on the field
by home plate.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So I'm pretty far down the way, yeah, and all of a
sudden I hear midstream by theway, greg, go, babe, babe,
you're up and I'm like what myyou know?
Here I am hovering over a potty, squatty potty pants, like at
my ankles, and I'm like, oh shit.
(06:16):
So I don't you know, withoutgetting into too much detail, I
don't think I, I definitelydidn't wash my hands.
I don't know what I did.
I pulled up my pants as fast asI could, you skedaddled.
I skedaddled out of there.
I ran out on the field.
I'm here, I'm here, they on thefield, I'm here, I'm here.
(06:36):
They hand me the mic.
You're huffing and puffing.
I start singing and I realize Idon't.
I'm not, I'm completely out ofbreath.
I just ran basically around thefreaking bases.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Pulling your pants.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Pulling my pants up, I'm coming In a frantic, in a
frenzy, and now I'm singing thenational anthem, which is a very
hard song to sing, especiallywhen it comes to breathing and
phrasing and using yourdiaphragm and holding out notes
and range and all the things.
It didn't go very well.
I mean, it wasn't like horriblewe have the video.
(07:05):
I knew immediately I was pissed.
I kind of threw like a littlemini tantrum like let's go.
I kind of stomped out to the cara little.
I was just embarrassed anddisappointed and the kids had
waited so long and it suckedbecause it's my thing and it was
also like a rude awakening thatit might not be my thing
(07:26):
anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Now I'm psyching myself out you handled it like a
champ, though I didn't.
I, I feel like I didn't thankyou for saying that you did well
, I feel like I externally andand I knew when it happened.
What did I say?
I was like this is gonna be agreat story someday yes, you did
, and here we are telling thatstory.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Maybe I should have waited until after I sang in the
stadium, because now I'mfreaking myself out again about
it.
But I won't be like.
I'll know when I have to sing.
I won't be peeing at the sametime.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I won't be in the restroom.
It'll be more organized for you.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right and I get a sound check.
And I'm practicing andpreparing daily because failure
to prep, you know what thatmeans.
So I'm practicing.
I'll start practicing more fromthis moment forward, because
now I've put my, put my neck outthere a little bit more by
sharing, there's thatvulnerability thing, so that
sticks with me.
You know that story.
(08:21):
It is a great story, it's funnyand hopefully it will not
happen like that ever again inmy lifetime.
There's also one other timethat keeps popping into my mind.
I used to sing the nationalanthem in high school for
basically like every basketballgame and my dad did the
announcing and uh, one game inparticular that stands out again
(08:44):
hundreds of times.
I don't remember any of thegreat times, but the two times
where it was like oh my God,freak out, panic mode, I
remember, and this is one ofthem too.
So I'm singing just normal,normal basketball game, I'm
singing, you know, elf.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah and uh.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I just blank out on the words.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's the national anthem.
Everyone knows the words.
So, thank God, my dad was likeright there on cue, as if
someone told him I don't know ifyou remember this, dad, if
you're listening, but youtotally saved my ass because you
started singing the words and Ipicked back up without too much
of a gap.
It was like he knew.
But that sticks out in my mindand, like every time I go into
this fight or flight mode ofpanicking about what's upcoming,
(09:28):
I go to those two stories and Ihave to stop telling myself
those stories because the wordsthat we speak to ourself are so
powerful.
So if I envision these thingsthat have happened in the past,
that have been bad, as whatcould possibly happen on the day
, then I'm like kind of reverse,subconsciously, unconsciously
manifesting bad things and Idon't want that.
(09:48):
So yeah, so we're going to runwith that and that's.
That's.
The message here is that whenyou fear something, usually it
means you should dive in andtake on the challenge.
Do it with preparation, do itwith grace and remember to tell
yourself whatever these storiesare you're making up about,
worst case scenario, whateverfear you have, lean into it
(10:11):
Because neurologically, this iswhere I know, this is where I
know to like talk myself off theledge.
I've learned enough and I'veheard enough and picked up
enough and have enough evidencethat when I do this it ends up
being okay.
But neurologically, our bodyexperiences fear and excitement.
The same way, we have the sameresponse anatomically.
(10:34):
So, like our palms get sweaty,we get like shortness of breath
anyway without running out ofthe bathroom.
All of these differentsensations yeah both when we're
nervous or fearful and whenwe're excited yeah and if you
can decide in that moment thatI'm going to choose excitement
(10:55):
over the description word offear to classify what's
happening neurologically orhappening physically to your
body.
It changes your perspective andit's powerful to be able to do
that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Plus, I don't take for granted the idea that you're
a human being and that you didhave a traumatic experience the
last time you tried to sing thenational anthem publicly you
know it was.
It was enough for, I think, alot of people to be like I'm
never doing that again.
Yeah, seriously, and I wouldn'thave been able to say that to
(11:27):
everybody like, this is going tomake a great story, because I
knew someday you're going tosing the national anthem in a
kick-ass situation.
It's going to be killer.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
It is a kick-ass situation, butI haven't kicked ass yet.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But you know what I mean.
It's like I just knew that youwouldn't give up.
Yeah, that's right that youwould still show up and you
would not shy away from anopportunity.
Another example is like yourbook's done, your book's done it
.
Another example is like yourbook's done, your book's done,
it's a memoir.
And it's about your life, it'sabout our life, and this whole
(12:01):
time, for four years, you'vebeen just head down, chapter by
chapter, hashing through it,working through it, and it's
taken forever, you know, andthere was never.
It was just like just get tothe next part.
Well, now we're at the spotwhere it's like set a release
date and make it available forpeople to buy and read and learn
about your whole journey.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And that's scary as hell y'all and now there's that
fear kicking in going.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Oh shit, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah.
So, Well, that one, that's foranother day, because that one is
still hot and heavy fear.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Fear based thinking.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like, might not release it, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, like it's quite scary, but you're right and
you're that way too, and I knowa lot of people who are that way
, and I look up to a lot ofpeople and follow a lot of
people's example who behave thatway that you have to lean into
fear.
You have to befriend failure,you have to take chances.
That's what makes living lifeworthwhile.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's what allows you to do things that are
exciting and big bigger than youwell you, you don't realize
what your limitations are if youdon't push up against them a
little bit and see what evenjust our in our little space,
that we take up on this planet.
You know, we've done some thingsthat were like, looking back,
it was like that was scary asshit and we you think of all
(13:23):
these worst case scenarios, butyou just push through and you
just do it and it's like, well,none of those 100 things that I
thought was going to happen tobe bad never happened.
You know, they weren't evenpart of the mix, it was just
straight through and it happened10 times better than I thought
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah right, I saw this.
I am going to butcher where Isaw it or who said it originally
.
But it said faith or fear bothrequire you to believe in
something that you can't see.
Faith or fear, both require youto believe in something that
you can't see.
And I was like it struck melike oh, that's speaking
directly to me.
Like I can either have faith inmyself, belief in myself I can't
(14:11):
see it, I don't know what'sgoing to happen, but I can
choose to lean that way or I canchoose to lean into the fearful
, worst case scenario side, andso that again comes back to
choice of like.
What word do I decide to followand to lean into?
You know, that's gotten usthrough a lot of difficult times
as well, not just big thingsthat are big and scary, but
scary things that we've beensubjected to, maybe not by
(14:32):
choice, subjected to, maybe notby choice.
There are many things that weall tackle on a daily basis that
we didn't choose, but we canchoose how we view them and how
we approach them.
That's how I'm going to viewthis one too.
I'm big on visualizing.
I know that sounds all hokeyand all that, but I'm big on
playing it out in my mind andthe best possible scenario.
(14:54):
Anytime that worst possiblescenario or those traumatic
events from the past pop into mymind, I do my best to catch
them and call them what they are.
Like I'm being interrupted bynegative, fear-based thoughts
and dismiss them and get back tomy beautiful best case scenario
and practicing and I will planto practice way more often, like
(15:16):
everybody in my house is goingto be, like we cannot hear the
national anthem again.
My God, stop singing it, woman.
But I'm going to anyway andfingers crossed for the best.
I'm sure if it goes well,you'll hear about it and if it
doesn't, you won't.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So it's like it never happened.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We'll just quietly delete this episode at a later
date, and uh just like when weplayed with jason momoa's band
we've never shared that story,shall we?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
yeah, it's not really that much of a story it's not
jason momoa.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We all know him as aquaman and all the other things
he's done, most notably aquaman.
He's in a small cover bandsupported by his own vodka label
and celebrity status and theydid this tour and they're great.
They did, they did a great job.
But I thought like we're gonnago see them one, it's jason
(16:08):
momoa and two, they're not thatbig of a deal.
Nobody knows who they are.
I'm sending them a message andwe're gonna play sweet child of
mine with them and I'm nottaking no for an answer, except
they never like opened mymessage or anything.
But that was like an excitingmoment because it was scary.
What if they said yes, gregeven practiced, he believed it
enough, don't you sit over there?
I brushed up on it.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean, that's what's exciting about this, though, is
it's not nothing happened.
We went there, and you know wesaw the show and we didn't, but
like not shying away frominteresting situations.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Like Primus is looking for a drummer and I
emailed him my resume.
You know it's like it'sprobably not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, but you would never know if you didn't put
yourself out there.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
But I've toured a couple of times because I sent
an email and it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You know you get the opportunity, so you just yeah,
and like the night we went tosee Jason Momoa, for example, it
was a lot more exciting becauseyou didn't know what was going
to happen or not, like what ifit would have.
So it was exciting and wedidn't go to the concert and be
all scared like what if jasonmomoa says get up here?
We were like excited and readyyep, you were warmed up ready.
(17:21):
You're, like you, ready to go onstage I was ready, I was like
in my mind, played it out amillion times, but didn't happen
, didn't matter.
Funny story though.
Great story for later, similarvein.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So keep coming up to bat, keep trying stuff, because
it's what makes life fun andinteresting, and that's right
just because it didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You know the first time fear is going to keep
showing up.
It's going to keep showing upas many different things to try
to stop you from beingvulnerable and looking stupid
and all the things, and you justhave to be like, nope, I'm not
doing that, I'm going the otherdirection with excitement.
Best case scenario.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Let's do this.
That's right.
So wish me luck, because it'scoming up and it's scary as hell
.
Thank you for being here.
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(18:28):
So, thank you, we'll see younext time.
Hello and welcome to the Cameo Show.
I'm your host, cameo, and weare joined by my husband and
co-host, mr Greg Braun.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We're excited to have you.
You start us with a dad joke.
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, I used to not really be a big fan of facial
hair, but then it started togrow on me.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're such a nerd.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Very good, that was funny right, that was good right
.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Through my teeth.
That was a good one.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You have been rocking a beard for, like gosh, 10
years 15 years, and every time Itry to shave it off, I get in
trouble and told that it doesn'tlook like me and that I need to
put that beard back on.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, because it's a big shocker he doesn't tell
anyone, and then it'll come outout of nowhere, especially when
he had long hair.
So Greg used to have hair notas long as mine, but past his
shoulders down into his chestarea during the 2020 era, and
his beard was very long then too.
And then one day he didn't havea beard and it was like, oh my
(01:03):
God, you didn't tell anybody.
It was a big shocker foreveryone.
You had this long hair and nobeard all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We hadn't seen your face in that way and it was not
a small beard we have to put apicture up or something of it
but it was like a big old amish,like birds living in a beard it
was a lumberjack stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Giant beard yeah, birds living in it is pretty
accurate, yeah.
So today I'm going to be alittle bit vulnerable.
Eye roll If you're not watchingthe video I rolled my eyes
hardcore.
I have an opportunity to dosomething really cool in the
next couple of weeks, somethingthat as a little girl, I dreamed
about doing.
I will be singing the nationalanthem for a large event in a
(01:48):
stadium that seats 65,000 people.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And they will be full of people.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it will be full of people, and I'm so grateful
for the opportunity.
But I'm also, if I'm beinghonest, scared to death.
And the reason that I'm scaredto death is because anytime you
get to do something big, youramygdala the part of your brain
that says I don't know what todo, so just run, fight or flight
pops in and goes through everyfreaking, worst case scenario
(02:19):
ever that you can imaginehappening, that you can imagine
happening, and without the tools, without meditation, without,
you know, an evolved mindsethere, I would just succumb to
that and be like I can't do it,I can't do it, I can't do it.
And I still sometimes feel thatway.
But I know that it's a hugeopportunity, it's something that
(02:40):
I get to do and that, withpractice and preparation and
playing out the best casescenarios in my head as well,
that it will all, it'll beawesome.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, and you have to have a killer mindset here.
You have to have a greatmindset about this stuff,
because if you had any doubtabout your ability, you would
pass on this opportunity.
Because why don't you sharewith our friends here what
happened the last time you sangthe national anthem in a public
(03:11):
setting?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
okay.
So let me back up even furtherthan that.
As a little girl I did a lot ofperforming and I sang the
national anthem all the time forevents big events, little
events, cinc, cincinnati, reds,games, like solo with groups
Just the national anthem issomething that I've done so many
freaking times that you wouldthink it should just come out of
(03:37):
my body like effortlessly.
It's a hard song to sing, firstand foremost, but you know I
have a lot of reps.
But then I grew up and I didn'tpractice and I didn't do it all
the time and a decade goes byand I'm like, well, I still got
it.
I'm going to go try out.
I saw this ad when we firstmoved to Florida that they
(03:59):
allowed members of the localcommunity to come try out to
sing the national anthem for thePittsburgh Pirates spring
training games.
They're here in SouthwestFlorida and I'm like I can
totally do that.
Like the national anthem is myjam, like this is my thing.
I still got it for sure, Idon't really need to practice.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Without any practice, I still got it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I definitely didn't practice.
I just kind of like maybe ranthrough it a couple of times in
the shower before I'm good to gosaying it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You're like I'm good good to go.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So we pack up the kids who are little then and go
to this ball diamond and we signin and sign up and sit down,
and when you sign in you justput your name on a sheet and
they're going to call your name.
Let me just pause right there.
Perhaps a better process wouldhave been you got a number,
because then you would at leastknow, like okay, well, we're on
(04:53):
number 10 and I'm number 18.
I'm going to be coming up heresoon, but they didn't give you
numbers.
It was just whoever's name gotcalled and I didn't know anyone
there and there were.
Nobody knew anyone there.
There were like a bunch ofpeople there.
You would never know who youwere going to be after.
So we sat there with the kidsfor way too many renditions of
(05:14):
the national anthem and it wascold and drizzly.
It wasn't a very nice day and,like I said, the kids were
little.
They were probably bored out oftheir freaking minds like oh my
god.
And I was thinking like this ismom's opportunity to like show
the kids.
Well, at some point I'm like Igotta pee and I can't hold it
anymore, so I'm gonna have to go.
(05:35):
So we leave our seat in betweenperformers and I go to the
restroom, and so this is outsideof the ball field area you go
down the first baseline on theoutside of the diamond, so
you're pretty far away.
Pretty far away, like you'retrying out singing on the field
by home plate.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So I'm pretty far down the way, yeah, and all of a
sudden I hear midstream by theway, greg, go, babe, babe,
you're up and I'm like what myyou know?
Here I am hovering over a potty, squatty potty pants, like at
my ankles, and I'm like, oh shit.
(06:16):
So I don't you know, withoutgetting into too much detail, I
don't think I, I definitelydidn't wash my hands.
I don't know what I did.
I pulled up my pants as fast asI could, you skedaddled.
I skedaddled out of there.
I ran out on the field.
I'm here, I'm here, they on thefield, I'm here, I'm here.
(06:36):
They hand me the mic.
You're huffing and puffing.
I start singing and I realize Idon't.
I'm not, I'm completely out ofbreath.
I just ran basically around thefreaking bases.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Pulling your pants.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Pulling my pants up, I'm coming In a frantic, in a
frenzy, and now I'm singing thenational anthem, which is a very
hard song to sing, especiallywhen it comes to breathing and
phrasing and using yourdiaphragm and holding out notes
and range and all the things.
It didn't go very well.
I mean, it wasn't like horriblewe have the video.
(07:05):
I knew immediately I was pissed.
I kind of threw like a littlemini tantrum like let's go.
I kind of stomped out to the cara little.
I was just embarrassed anddisappointed and the kids had
waited so long and it suckedbecause it's my thing and it was
also like a rude awakening thatit might not be my thing
(07:26):
anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Now I'm psyching myself out you handled it like a
champ, though I didn't.
I, I feel like I didn't thankyou for saying that you did well
, I feel like I externally andand I knew when it happened.
What did I say?
I was like this is gonna be agreat story someday yes, you did
, and here we are telling thatstory.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Maybe I should have waited until after I sang in the
stadium, because now I'mfreaking myself out again about
it.
But I won't be like.
I'll know when I have to sing.
I won't be peeing at the sametime.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I won't be in the restroom.
It'll be more organized for you.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right and I get a sound check.
And I'm practicing andpreparing daily because failure
to prep, you know what thatmeans.
So I'm practicing.
I'll start practicing more fromthis moment forward, because
now I've put my, put my neck outthere a little bit more by
sharing, there's thatvulnerability thing, so that
sticks with me.
You know that story.
(08:21):
It is a great story, it's funnyand hopefully it will not
happen like that ever again inmy lifetime.
There's also one other timethat keeps popping into my mind.
I used to sing the nationalanthem in high school for
basically like every basketballgame and my dad did the
announcing and uh, one game inparticular that stands out again
(08:44):
hundreds of times.
I don't remember any of thegreat times, but the two times
where it was like oh my God,freak out, panic mode, I
remember, and this is one ofthem too.
So I'm singing just normal,normal basketball game, I'm
singing, you know, elf.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah and uh.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I just blank out on the words.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's the national anthem.
Everyone knows the words.
So, thank God, my dad was likeright there on cue, as if
someone told him I don't know ifyou remember this, dad, if
you're listening, but youtotally saved my ass because you
started singing the words and Ipicked back up without too much
of a gap.
It was like he knew.
But that sticks out in my mindand, like every time I go into
this fight or flight mode ofpanicking about what's upcoming,
(09:28):
I go to those two stories and Ihave to stop telling myself
those stories because the wordsthat we speak to ourself are so
powerful.
So if I envision these thingsthat have happened in the past,
that have been bad, as whatcould possibly happen on the day
, then I'm like kind of reverse,subconsciously, unconsciously
manifesting bad things and Idon't want that.
(09:48):
So yeah, so we're going to runwith that and that's.
That's.
The message here is that whenyou fear something, usually it
means you should dive in andtake on the challenge.
Do it with preparation, do itwith grace and remember to tell
yourself whatever these storiesare you're making up about,
worst case scenario, whateverfear you have, lean into it
(10:11):
Because neurologically, this iswhere I know, this is where I
know to like talk myself off theledge.
I've learned enough and I'veheard enough and picked up
enough and have enough evidencethat when I do this it ends up
being okay.
But neurologically, our bodyexperiences fear and excitement.
The same way, we have the sameresponse anatomically.
(10:34):
So, like our palms get sweaty,we get like shortness of breath
anyway without running out ofthe bathroom.
All of these differentsensations yeah both when we're
nervous or fearful and whenwe're excited yeah and if you
can decide in that moment thatI'm going to choose excitement
(10:55):
over the description word offear to classify what's
happening neurologically orhappening physically to your
body.
It changes your perspective andit's powerful to be able to do
that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Plus, I don't take for granted the idea that you're
a human being and that you didhave a traumatic experience the
last time you tried to sing thenational anthem publicly you
know it was.
It was enough for, I think, alot of people to be like I'm
never doing that again.
Yeah, seriously, and I wouldn'thave been able to say that to
(11:27):
everybody like, this is going tomake a great story, because I
knew someday you're going tosing the national anthem in a
kick-ass situation.
It's going to be killer.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
It is a kick-ass situation, butI haven't kicked ass yet.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But you know what I mean.
It's like I just knew that youwouldn't give up.
Yeah, that's right that youwould still show up and you
would not shy away from anopportunity.
Another example is like yourbook's done, your book's done it
.
Another example is like yourbook's done, your book's done,
it's a memoir.
And it's about your life, it'sabout our life, and this whole
(12:01):
time, for four years, you'vebeen just head down, chapter by
chapter, hashing through it,working through it, and it's
taken forever, you know, andthere was never.
It was just like just get tothe next part.
Well, now we're at the spotwhere it's like set a release
date and make it available forpeople to buy and read and learn
about your whole journey.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And that's scary as hell y'all and now there's that
fear kicking in going.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Oh shit, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah.
So, Well, that one, that's foranother day, because that one is
still hot and heavy fear.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Fear based thinking.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like, might not release it, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, like it's quite scary, but you're right and
you're that way too, and I knowa lot of people who are that way
, and I look up to a lot ofpeople and follow a lot of
people's example who behave thatway that you have to lean into
fear.
You have to befriend failure,you have to take chances.
That's what makes living lifeworthwhile.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's what allows you to do things that are
exciting and big bigger than youwell you, you don't realize
what your limitations are if youdon't push up against them a
little bit and see what evenjust our in our little space,
that we take up on this planet.
You know, we've done some thingsthat were like, looking back,
it was like that was scary asshit and we you think of all
(13:23):
these worst case scenarios, butyou just push through and you
just do it and it's like, well,none of those 100 things that I
thought was going to happen tobe bad never happened.
You know, they weren't evenpart of the mix, it was just
straight through and it happened10 times better than I thought
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah right, I saw this.
I am going to butcher where Isaw it or who said it originally
.
But it said faith or fear bothrequire you to believe in
something that you can't see.
Faith or fear, both require youto believe in something that
you can't see.
And I was like it struck melike oh, that's speaking
directly to me.
Like I can either have faith inmyself, belief in myself I can't
(14:11):
see it, I don't know what'sgoing to happen, but I can
choose to lean that way or I canchoose to lean into the fearful
, worst case scenario side, andso that again comes back to
choice of like.
What word do I decide to followand to lean into?
You know, that's gotten usthrough a lot of difficult times
as well, not just big thingsthat are big and scary, but
scary things that we've beensubjected to, maybe not by
(14:32):
choice, subjected to, maybe notby choice.
There are many things that weall tackle on a daily basis that
we didn't choose, but we canchoose how we view them and how
we approach them.
That's how I'm going to viewthis one too.
I'm big on visualizing.
I know that sounds all hokeyand all that, but I'm big on
playing it out in my mind andthe best possible scenario.
(14:54):
Anytime that worst possiblescenario or those traumatic
events from the past pop into mymind, I do my best to catch
them and call them what they are.
Like I'm being interrupted bynegative, fear-based thoughts
and dismiss them and get back tomy beautiful best case scenario
and practicing and I will planto practice way more often, like
(15:16):
everybody in my house is goingto be, like we cannot hear the
national anthem again.
My God, stop singing it, woman.
But I'm going to anyway andfingers crossed for the best.
I'm sure if it goes well,you'll hear about it and if it
doesn't, you won't.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So it's like it never happened.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We'll just quietly delete this episode at a later
date, and uh just like when weplayed with jason momoa's band
we've never shared that story,shall we?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
yeah, it's not really that much of a story it's not
jason momoa.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We all know him as aquaman and all the other things
he's done, most notably aquaman.
He's in a small cover bandsupported by his own vodka label
and celebrity status and theydid this tour and they're great.
They did, they did a great job.
But I thought like we're gonnago see them one, it's jason
(16:08):
momoa and two, they're not thatbig of a deal.
Nobody knows who they are.
I'm sending them a message andwe're gonna play sweet child of
mine with them and I'm nottaking no for an answer, except
they never like opened mymessage or anything.
But that was like an excitingmoment because it was scary.
What if they said yes, gregeven practiced, he believed it
enough, don't you sit over there?
I brushed up on it.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean, that's what's exciting about this, though, is
it's not nothing happened.
We went there, and you know wesaw the show and we didn't, but
like not shying away frominteresting situations.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Like Primus is looking for a drummer and I
emailed him my resume.
You know it's like it'sprobably not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, but you would never know if you didn't put
yourself out there.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
But I've toured a couple of times because I sent
an email and it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You know you get the opportunity, so you just yeah,
and like the night we went tosee Jason Momoa, for example, it
was a lot more exciting becauseyou didn't know what was going
to happen or not, like what ifit would have.
So it was exciting and wedidn't go to the concert and be
all scared like what if jasonmomoa says get up here?
We were like excited and readyyep, you were warmed up ready.
(17:21):
You're, like you, ready to go onstage I was ready, I was like
in my mind, played it out amillion times, but didn't happen
, didn't matter.
Funny story though.
Great story for later, similarvein.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So keep coming up to bat, keep trying stuff, because
it's what makes life fun andinteresting, and that's right
just because it didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You know the first time fear is going to keep
showing up.
It's going to keep showing upas many different things to try
to stop you from beingvulnerable and looking stupid
and all the things, and you justhave to be like, nope, I'm not
doing that, I'm going the otherdirection with excitement.
Best case scenario.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Let's do this.
That's right.
So wish me luck, because it'scoming up and it's scary as hell
.
Thank you for being here.
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(18:28):
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