April 23, 2025 • 32 mins
Ever wondered why finishing a DIY project feels so rewarding? That rush of satisfaction isn't just in your head—it's a powerful cocktail of brain chemicals working their magic. Join hosts Cameo and Greg as they dive deep into the science of accomplishment and reveal why tackling challenges yourself creates a natural high that scrolling social media simply can't match.
• The "DIY high" occurs when our brains release dopamine, endorphins, and serotonin after completing meaningful tasks
• Dopamine is released both in anticipation of accomplishment and after task completion
• Dr. Anna Lempke's "Dopamine Nation" explains how challenging activities provide more sustainable satisfaction than quick, easy rewards
• The "Ikea effect" shows we value items more when we've invested our own effort in creating them
• Social media provides quick dopamine hits that may prevent us from seeking more meaningful but challenging activities
• Establishing good habits (like sleep hygiene) often means trading immediate gratification for more sustainable rewards
Ready to transform your understanding of accomplishment and motivation? Listen now to discover why finishing the thing might be exactly what your brain needs. Then share your own DIY triumph with us—we'd love to hear what projects have given you that natural high!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Cameo Show.
I'm your host, cameo, and weare joined today by my husband
and co-host, mr Greg Braun.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
So excited to be here .
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome.
Greg likes to start us with adad joke, so I assume you have
one ready to lay on us.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I do.
I do this one's about money.
Okay, why should you alwaysborrow money from a pessimist?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Because they'll never expect you to pay it back.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, doom and gloom Glass half empty kind of vibe
Not a bad life tip Life hack.
Speaking of life hacks, we'vehad a busy morning.
This morning.
We've already been to Lowe's.
Lowe's is an exciting trip.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
With Oliver.
Oliver went with us.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oliver is our almost five-year-old lab retriever mix.
He's very excitable, but he didvery, very well.
Very proud of him.
We went to get a wheelbarrow awheelbarrow, not a wheelbarrow
as I erroneously thought yeah,it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It would be a wheelbarrow, but I don't even
know what a barrow is yeaheither way, we had to get a
wheelbarrow and a birdbath.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Of course, only the essentials, but we had to get a
wheelbarrow and a birdbath.
Of course, only the essentials.
But we had to get a wheelbarrowbecause we're going to do a
huge project around here,mulching, and in the past we've
had that done because it's quitea task.
But this year because?
Well, I'll tell you why in justa second but we're having like
(01:44):
six pallets of mulch deliveredtoday At any minute.
Yeah, Like my phone's going toring and they're going to be
like hey, we're ready for you.
It's 400 bags of mulch.
That's a lot of mulch, and weare going to distribute it
around our property with our newwheelbarrow, and it's not just
any wheelbarrow.
(02:05):
Do you want to talk about thiswheelbarrow real quick?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, it's called the gorilla and it's more of like a
big trough with wheels on it.
It's very ergonomicallydesigned well and I just cannot
wait to get out there and andsee what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Like I could get in it.
I could sit in like a littleball and you could wheel me
around the yard.
Yeah, yes, so we're going todistribute mulch today with our
gorilla wheelbarrow and ourwagon and get down and dirty
with doing the project.
Now here's why I think wedecided to do it ourselves this
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year, aside from the fact thatit's expensive.
Think we decided to do itourselves this year, aside from
the fact that it's expensive.
Usually we've done it in thepast because time didn't allow.
Time still doesn't really allow.
I'm getting ready to release abook.
We have a mortgage companythat's like the mortgage
industry is kind of picking up alittle bit of steam.
We have two teenage kids, a dog.
(03:04):
It's just life is busy, likeeverybody else, with all of
their activities and everythinggoing on, so time isn't really
allowing.
But we're doing it ourselvesanyway, and for me, this is why,
among other things.
But there are some neighbors whorecently had pallets delivered
and instead of, like many of theother neighbors, having it done
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for them, they decided to do itthemselves, and they're like 20
years older than us, easily,probably, and to see them out
there distributing and layingtheir own mulch was like what
the hell am I doing?
I should be out there likeusing this as an opportunity to
get a good strength workout in,to get a good cardio workout in.
(03:50):
And then there's anotherneighbor at the other end of the
street who's in his eightiesand he does a lot of his lawn
work himself too, and I'm like Icannot in good, I can't feel
good about having somebody elsedo this for me anymore after
seeing that.
So do you agree?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, I mean, it's not not to, you know, deny the
fact that we're doing it to savemoney.
First of all, I mean it's agood chunk of money to do it
yourself and we got a good dealon it.
Plug to Lowe's.
They had a nice, nice salewhere it was like super cheap,
was it like $2 a bag orsomething?
$2 a bag, yeah, which is reallycheap.
(04:35):
That's like year 2002 pricing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
This episode, by the way, is not sponsored by the
Lowe's, although it seems likeit should be, because we went to
Lowe's this morning Lowe'salthough it seems like it should
be, because we went to Lowe'sthis morning.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
We can just go off.
Lowe's is awesome, lowe's isawesome, lowe's is.
But my love for Lowe's startedback in Ohio.
I was going to buy a powerwasher one time.
I brought it up to the frontand they were like are you
seriously going to buy that?
And I was like yeah.
And he's like I was literallywalking back there to mark that
off a half price.
And I was like are you serious?
And he put the half pricesticker on it right when I was
checking out and I'm like I haveforever going to be loyal to
Lowe's.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
That was a random act of kindness.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But that made me a loyal customer.
You know just that one thing.
And years later you know butbut I mean the bottom line is
we're doing this to save money,but also it's um.
You know it feels good to takecare of your, your own stuff.
You know to like we used to doin Ohio a lot more than we did
in Florida.
In Florida we've had more yardwork, we've we've hired
(05:40):
companies to help us with thatand um.
But in Ohio, you know, we dideverything ourselves and there
was a sense of pride that youhad from staining your deck and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, I've got my messy bun up, I'm in my yard
work clothes and I am ready totake on the project.
But that's actually exactlywhat we're going to talk about.
it's called the diy high it'sthe release of endorphins and
the feeling of pride that youget from completing a project
yourself, and it's not just inyour head, it's actually like
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there's science to support it.
Now I have to give a shout outto my dad, the diy king.
He is diy with mort dog oninstagram if you haven't
followed him, definitely gocheck him out but he gives tips
on how to do some of thesmallest projects around the
house that are seemingly likehuge undertakings, and he breaks
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it down to how simple it can bewith some steps.
The fun part about it is thathe rates the project by
difficulty on a one to five beerschedule.
So scale my bad.
Thank you for correcting me.
But yeah, so one to five beerscale.
So how difficult was thatproject?
(06:57):
Well, it's about a three, threebeer project, even though I've
already drank 12, he might say.
But but, not really, but he doesa lot of really cool stuff on
there.
Some of it's small stuff andsome of it's really big stuff,
like changing the pool liner inhis own pool.
So check him out at DIY withMort dog.
He probably has a rush ofendorphins a hundred percent of
(07:21):
the time because he's constantlydoing DIY projects.
But the uh, the I did it momentthat you get when you complete
a project is literally chemicalin your body.
So, because it requires focusand persistence and like
physical effort, our brainrewards us with like a little
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cocktail of dopamine andendorphins and like serotonin.
So all of these hormones likewhen we finish something that
has meaning, and the big rewardneurotransmitter is dopamine.
So dopamine is a chemicalthat's released that says, hey,
way to go, you did it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So.
So why do we get dopamine whenwe look at Instagram?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, great question, and I don't know if I'm
answering it properly, but Ithink that we get.
Uh, my answer to that would bethat we get a quick hit of
dopamine and, though it may notbe the same feel good as
completing a project thatrewards us.
It's like an artificial hit ofdopamine and so I think some of
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the research and I wasn'tprepared for this question to
answer it intelligently, but Ithink some of the research would
support that that's why wedon't take on difficult projects
or don't seek out things thatforce us to do extra effort,
because we're getting thatlittle hit of dopamine by
sitting here really doingnothing but and feeling like we
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are like a gratification or aninstant satisfaction.
Now I could be completely wrong,but I'm pretty sure that's
correct.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That would make sense , because that's the same way.
Uh, we always joke and sayInstagram's, I'm going to have a
cigarette.
You know you stroke throughyour Instagram feed, but I feel
like it's the same feeling aswhen you did smoke a cigarette.
You felt like you were.
I got to go outside and smoke acigarette.
You felt like you were doingsomething.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
mean, it's like one of my good buddies.
I remember him telling me he'slike.
Smoking is like.
It gives you that satisfyingfeeling of doing something, but
you're doing absolutely nothing,you know.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah Well, dopamine is interesting because you don't
actually have to complete thetask for it to be released in
your brain either.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Dopamine is released as an anticipatory reward, so
that could be part of the socialmedia.
You know the engagement there.
You get the anticipated rewardand it increases your baseline,
and so then it takes like lessto get the same.
Satisfaction is how Iunderstand it.
(10:03):
There's this great book.
It's called dopamine nation.
I happen to have it right here.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh wow, there's this great book.
It's called Dopamine Nation.
I happen to have it right here,oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Look at you, it actually lives right behind me,
so it was really easy to grab.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's usually right behind you there, right beside
the reset button, right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Strategically placed.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Right, yes, oh, what's that doing there?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's my proof copy my author's copy.
It's actually bent becausesomebody has been reading it and
left it like laying open facedown.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So it's completely bent the spine, somebody,
somebody.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But in the book she talks about that when we get the
anticipated reward, ourbaseline increases and then, if
the reward we anticipateddoesn't materialize, our
dopamine falls off reallyquickly.
So we go right back at it.
It's like an addictive property.
And it says that it highlightsthe significance of the dopamine
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surge our brain experienceswhen we actually achieve
something.
So when we actually do a DIYproject, the surge continues
beyond the anticipated rewardand it increases the sense of
accomplishment and satisfactionthat we feel.
And she goes on.
It's Dr Anna Lempke.
(11:20):
She goes on to talk about thisconcept.
This book is amazing and I don'teven think you've read it and
you need to read it and I needto read it and I'm probably
butchering all of this, but thewhole idea is just to introduce
you and everyone else to it Alittle bit of information that's
, you know, helpful and engagingand and seek out, you know, the
(11:44):
actual, correct informationversus what I'm probably
spitting out, the actual correctinformation versus what I'm
probably spitting out.
But she talks about thepleasure pain balance in this
book.
That talks about why it's sorewarding to do something that's
challenging, like get in ice,cold water, and something that's
like manageable pain.
So I don't mean, like you know,something super, super
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challenging that's likedetrimental to your health, but
those types of activities whenyou expose yourself to
manageable pain on purpose, therelease of dopamine is a more
like an even more lasting senseof satisfaction.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Like taking five years to write a book.
The dopamine that you get fromthat is different than the
dopamine that you would get frommaking an Instagram post.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Correct yes, both will give you a sense of
satisfaction and a release andrush of dopamine.
One is more superficial and Idon't mean that in like a oh,
that's, she's so superficial andI don't mean that in like a oh
that's.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
she's so superficial, maybe not superficial, not
superficial, but maybe moreshallow, like it's more.
It doesn't have the depth oflike.
Just like hanging a picture onthe wall gives you a little bit
of a dopamine hit Like oh cool,I did that, versus doing the
mulch in all your yard.
You know, when you stand backand look at your yard and be
like I did all that, you knowthat's going to be more of a
(13:13):
that right.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well, yeah, I mean, there's also like something
called the Ikea effect, and Idon't know if she talks about it
in the book, but in learningabout dopamine and different you
know information aboutendorphin rushes there's
something called the Ikea effectwhere, like when you build a
piece of furniture yourself,even if it's like not done as
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well as it would have been doneby a professional furniture
builder, you're, you have somuch more satisfaction because
you feel connected to theproject Right.
So it's like you can stand backand look at this bookshelf or
this chair that you built fromIkea.
That might be crooked and looklike shit or be put together
wrong in a few different ways,but you, you love it you love it
(13:59):
more than if you just bought itfrom target.
Right, so or wherever, like no,no offense to target if you just
bought it from Lowe's.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, and another example is lately I've been
really into making homemade icecream.
So the homemade ice cream.
When I eat my own homemade icecream, I'm like, oh my God, this
is amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know, versus if I was at somebody's house, like
have some homemade ice cream.
I'm like, yeah, that's good,it's homemade ice cream, it's
what I expect.
But like since I made it, I'mlike, oh my.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
God.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I feel that way when I cook, like everything seems to
taste better when I've made it,even if it doesn't.
It's because chemically theseendorphins dopamine, serotonin,
whatever's being released, theyliterally are like feel good
chemicals and they kind ofalleviate pain.
Right, they're like a um therewards right yeah, it's like a
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little reward that that remindsyou like that was worth the
trouble that was worth theeffort, keep going and you know.
Back to the social media concept.
I would have to dig into that alittle bit more because now I'm
intrigued, but I think that Ithink what I said is right.
It's why people don't get upand go do things, because they
feel like they already have.
(15:14):
In seeing somebody elseaccomplish something, maybe like
do you know what I mean?
Like the psychology behind thatis if I I feel good watching
someone else achieve somethingand it releases endorphins in a
way that, like now, I don't feelthis urge to do said difficult
thing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, it makes sense yeah.
Yeah, I'm interested to diginto that a little bit more,
because also like making a achecklist of things and crossing
them off like that feels good.
Is that you think that'sdopamine as well?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh my God, yes, I'm a dopamine junkie.
In that way, I will writethings on my list that I've
already done, just so I cancross them off.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
In your color changing pen.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Coincidentally, right here in my hand, this is the
mother of color changing pens.
This has like 20 colors.
It's big and fat and full ofjoy.
That should be.
That sounds like me.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That sounded really terrible that sounds like sanny
claus you're right, I wentsomewhere.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And you I went to the pessimistic side ask me for
money, kind of deal.
Listen, if you're interested inexploring more about dopamine
and the reward process or theimplications of doing something
and what it does to your body,like scientifically, this is a
great book, okay, so let mebring this back up Dopamine
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nation.
It's a deep dive behind thescience.
Uh, like the science behindthese activities and experiences
that we have, and not just whenit comes to DIY projects, but
anything that's challenging ordifficult, training for a
marathon, hanging a picture onthe wall, like it literally
doesn't matter, it's the, it'swhat happens in your body when
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you do that.
So I say that Lowe's hasn'tcalled yet, but I anticipate
that they will any minute.
So I don't mean to wrap upabruptly, but if you are
considering doing a project andyou're like debating whether to
start or finish it because youstarted and you're like shit,
now what?
Just remind yourself that likeyou're not just doing the
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project, you're also giving yourbrain a bit of like a natural
and earned, high and earnedsatisfaction.
When it's a larger undertaking,perhaps something that's less
on the surface, something thattakes longer to complete,
something that might be morechallenging, there are science
(17:53):
that supports that.
It gives you a more sustainableand more meaningful experience
than just a quick hit ofdopamine will give you anytime
when you, you know, are doingsomething that's routine or easy
.
So challenge yourself andremember that it's.
It's beyond sometimes thephysical activity or the mental
(18:15):
challenge.
It's literally you'reincreasing your science
experiment inside your body.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Finish the thing, feel the high you earned it.
It feels so good, good, andthen, like anything else, that
compounds right.
We'll see what I say in acouple days when we deliver all
this mulch.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And I'm walking around with a sore back, a
sunburn and I'm pissed off well,can I abruptly just change
gears here real quick and justuh, also say I, I would like you
to talk about meeting your,your hero author, too this week.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh God, that's like still this week that was like
within the last five days.
Yeah, okay, yeah, definitely ashift, but it was a rush of
dopamine in many ways, becausewe went to an author signing
event at a local bookstore inTampa called the Oxford exchange
, and it was author GretchenRubin.
(19:13):
God, she's written so manybooks I couldn't tell you how
many double digits for sure andthe release of her newest book
is called secrets of adulthood.
It's a very short book, almostcoffee table, where it's life
aphorisms, like short sentences,but they're very contemplative,
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like they make you think verydeeply, in just a few words,
which is what an aphorism is,and it's attributed to her, so
that makes it an aphorism.
I learned that An aphorism is acool word, so I'll keep saying
it.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And I love aphorism.
I learned that an aphorism is acool word, so I'll keep saying
it, and I love aphorisms too.
I mean I think in aphorisms allday long, like you know what I
mean, Like when you programyourself with these little
concepts.
It actually is a greatoperating system, I found.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I wish I had an aphorism from Gretchen's book
pulled up right here so I couldgive you an example.
Because then I want you to givean example of one of your
aphorisms.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, well, what was hers about?
Anything that's not scheduled?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Something like that, but not.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
We can pause and look it up real quick.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It was anything that can be done at any time, will be
done at no time, or somethingvery close to that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, um, anything that can be done, something that
can be done at any time, willbe done at no time, or can be
done at no time, or you get thesentiment.
The point is to make you thinkdeeply about what that means in
your life.
So, even if I'm not getting itexactly right, the idea is close
enough.
So I'm not quoting Gretchen,but close enough.
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I did, however, quote Gretchenin my book, and so it was very
exciting to go see someone who'smade an impact on so many
people in the personaldevelopment area of life.
Someone who's made an impact onso many people in the personal
development area of life.
She's most notably famous forher book, the Happiness Project,
and so to go meet her, see herspeak, but also be able to show
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her where I've quoted her in myown book, it literally says
author Gretchen Rubin coined thephrase the days are long but
the years are short, also anaphorism, and I use that as a
reference in my book wasincredible.
It was a huge hit of dopamine,because I was experiencing the
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feel good chemical in my body ofnot just completing my own
project but then being able toshow someone who has completed
many of their own huge projectsin books where they've inspired
me in a personal way.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And she, she was so nice and so kind and so gracious
and you know I should haveoffered to give her my proof
copy.
I don't know what I wasthinking.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You're like you can't have that.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I'm like here, give it back to me.
I gotta go.
Thank you, but really, really acool experience and, you know,
one of those full circle momentswhere it didn't have to be that
way.
I'm just so grateful, you know,she didn't have to be speaking
in Tampa right now.
I've been working on this bookfor five years.
She's released two or threebooks in five years but she
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didn't have to be speaking there.
I didn't have to have justreceived my proof copy of the
book to have it literallyphysically in my hand, which is
a completely differentexperience than showing someone
a PDF on your phone of your book, which is a completely
different experience thanshowing someone a PDF on your
phone of your book.
And you know, just a reallyinteresting experience.
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I can't believe that was likeless than seven days ago.
We also went to the symphony,we also had Easter and we also
had our son's 15th birthday allwithin days.
And so remember what?
At the beginning of thisepisode, when I'm like we're
doing the landscaping ourself,but not because time allows well
, no shit, time doesn't allow Idon't even know what's happening
(23:14):
.
No wonder I get shitty sleep.
There's not enough time tosleep.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Plus, we got to watch our stories at night.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They ruined my life.
They're the highlight of my daybecause I'm so exhausted.
At the end of the day, All Iwant to do is just numb out on
watching nonsense.
But then they ruin my lifebecause I don't get the sleep
that I need.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And here we are back to pessimism, which we're going
to dive into sleep in a laterepisode, but that is a big, big
impact on her.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh, you're right.
Yeah, let's tease them comingup.
We have a dear friend of ours,um, she's going to come on soon
and talk about our electronicdevices, like our aura rings and
our Garmin watches and our uh,different things that read VO2,
(24:09):
you know, as best as they can.
She's going to come on and giveus a lot of expert detail about
that in a future episode, whichwe're really jacked about
because my aura ring tells me Isuck pretty much every day.
Your readiness sucks, you suck,your sleep sucks.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Take it easy today.
What?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
happened.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
What happened yesterday, take it easy today.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, every day.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What happened?
What happened yesterday?
Take it easy today, yeah, everyday, honestly, out of just a
haphazard accidental study,though for a couple weeks we
were really good about listen tome sound smart our sleep
hygiene, but we were justgetting kick-ass sleep.
(24:49):
I mean we were like sauna-ingat like 8.30, doing a little
yoga, getting in bed by.
Like you know, it was likelights out by 9.30.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Magnesium on my feet, the whole deal.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
It was all the little things that were like and it
worked.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
No snacking.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, no eating before bed.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No TV.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No TV, just go lay and go to sleep.
And that that latency fromlaying in bed and not watching
an hour of Netflix or hour and ahalf, or you know that somehow
has an impact and it, and it wascrazy, like every night we were
getting like high eightiessleep scores and now it's like
low 70s.
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And the only thing reallydifferent, those little things
there.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You know they eat like I'll eat some popcorn or
you know so, but interestingstuff when you say that it's
like well, damn it, that wasthat felt so good.
Why is it so hard to break thebad habits?
Then Knowing that what's on theother side of doing the right
things feels so good.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well, I'll answer that with a Gretchen aphorism If
you eat an apple, if you havethe choice, watch me, you don't
want to see me destroy.
No, but what?
How does it go If you?
You can't, you can't, you can'thave the apple way in the
orange?
If you eat the apple, you'regoing to regret not getting it.
(26:12):
What was it?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I wasn't prepared.
I don't have a book in here topull it.
It's something about regretting.
There's regret on both sides.
Yeah right, you can't have both.
If you eat the apple, you'llregret not having the orange.
If you eat the orange, you'llregret not having the apple.
If you eat the apple, you'llregret not having the orange.
If you eat the orange, you'llregret not having the apple.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's on both sides.
Again, that is not a directquote.
No, that is 100%.
But you get the idea.
But again, you get the idea,you get the idea.
There's a cost to everything.
So the cost of getting thatgood sleep and feeling great the
next day is you don't get towatch your stories.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You great.
The next day is you don't getto watch your stories.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I know you don't get to eat popcorn.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That's easy dopamine.
And there you go, we're trading, we're trading.
It's costing us good dopamineby feeling like shit the next
day for cheap dopamine.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And that is a great example that the dopamine that
happens when you do the hardthing, which is get focused on
your sleep hygiene and doing allthe right things, is more
sustainable, right.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Not just the dopamine but all of the health benefits.
But it's not as easy and it'snot as cheap and it doesn't feel
as good in the moment.
I'm not happy at nine 30 whenI'm like lights out.
I'm such a good girl.
Look how my sleep hygiene is.
I'm pissed because I want towatch uncle baby Billy, yeah,
(27:37):
yeah, and the righteousgemstones before I go to bed,
because that is immediatedopamine, uncle baby you don't
want to give your uncle babyBilly.
I sure can close it down withuncle baby Billy Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, listen here now .
Thank you for listening to theCameo Show podcast.
This is Uncle Baby Billy fromthe Righteous Gemstones.
We appreciate it so much.
Jesus loves you.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Listen, if you have not seen the Righteous Gemstones
, you don't have to watch theshow.
Just Google it, you'll find himto get the image of the
character.
And also Greg, you sound justlike him.
I can't even Google it.
You'll find him to get theimage of the character.
And also Greg, you sound justlike him.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I can't even believe it.
I thought that was shitty.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You sound just like him.
I mean, you want to give itanother whirl, you want to give
it a little more effort, or what.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay, take two.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Listen here now.
This is Uncle Baby Billy,encouraging you to listen, share
and spread the word about theCameo Show podcast.
Now it's good for you to listento this show.
Now let me tell you why.
You learn something.
You're entertained a little bitand you can.
(28:43):
It brightens your day a littlebit, gives you a little bit of
dopamine.
Now listen, listen to the CameoShow podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Whatever you watch podcasts and check out the
Righteous Gemstones to see moreof me, uncle, baby Billy.
Yes, so intense he's so intense.
Check out the show, just Googleit.
Even so, you know what the helljust happened.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
But, greg, it's excellent.
Very good, okay, very good okayI feel, like I butchered that.
But well, I'll work on it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, maybe next time we'll, we'll give you another
shot.
You had two today.
I thought they were great bothreally I'm entertained, yeah,
okay but greg and uncle babybilly are both correct.
There are new episodes of theCameo Show every Wednesday.
We do hope that you learnsomething, that you feel
something, that you're intriguedby something, or at least
(29:36):
you're a little entertained andyou might laugh a time or two,
and we hope you'll join us againnext time.
You can find more.
You can find more.
That all came out as like onebig cough, so let me try again
again.
You can find more at cameoelise brauncom or the cameo show
on all podcast platforms andyoutube, and just when do we?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
when?
When we buy the book?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
yes, uh, my book, the reset button conveniently
placed right behind me If you'rewatching the video.
This beautiful turquoise itemwill be available for purchase
on May 20th 2025.
It is a personal developmentmemoir heavy on the memoir.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, thanks, greg, for the for the market calendar.
All right.
Thanks for following along,thanks for being here.
Thanks, greg, thank you Untilnext time, until next time.
Until next time.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Now see you later.
Now Be good.
Hello and welcome to the Cameo Show.
I'm your host, cameo, and weare joined today by my husband
and co-host, mr Greg Braun.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
So excited to be here .
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome.
Greg likes to start us with adad joke, so I assume you have
one ready to lay on us.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I do.
I do this one's about money.
Okay, why should you alwaysborrow money from a pessimist?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Because they'll never expect you to pay it back.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, doom and gloom Glass half empty kind of vibe
Not a bad life tip Life hack.
Speaking of life hacks, we'vehad a busy morning.
This morning.
We've already been to Lowe's.
Lowe's is an exciting trip.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
With Oliver.
Oliver went with us.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oliver is our almost five-year-old lab retriever mix.
He's very excitable, but he didvery, very well.
Very proud of him.
We went to get a wheelbarrow awheelbarrow, not a wheelbarrow
as I erroneously thought yeah,it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It would be a wheelbarrow, but I don't even
know what a barrow is yeaheither way, we had to get a
wheelbarrow and a birdbath.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Of course, only the essentials, but we had to get a
wheelbarrow and a birdbath.
Of course, only the essentials.
But we had to get a wheelbarrowbecause we're going to do a
huge project around here,mulching, and in the past we've
had that done because it's quitea task.
But this year because?
Well, I'll tell you why in justa second but we're having like
(01:44):
six pallets of mulch deliveredtoday At any minute.
Yeah, Like my phone's going toring and they're going to be
like hey, we're ready for you.
It's 400 bags of mulch.
That's a lot of mulch, and weare going to distribute it
around our property with our newwheelbarrow, and it's not just
any wheelbarrow.
(02:05):
Do you want to talk about thiswheelbarrow real quick?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, it's called the gorilla and it's more of like a
big trough with wheels on it.
It's very ergonomicallydesigned well and I just cannot
wait to get out there and andsee what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Like I could get in it.
I could sit in like a littleball and you could wheel me
around the yard.
Yeah, yes, so we're going todistribute mulch today with our
gorilla wheelbarrow and ourwagon and get down and dirty
with doing the project.
Now here's why I think wedecided to do it ourselves this
(02:43):
year, aside from the fact thatit's expensive.
Think we decided to do itourselves this year, aside from
the fact that it's expensive.
Usually we've done it in thepast because time didn't allow.
Time still doesn't really allow.
I'm getting ready to release abook.
We have a mortgage companythat's like the mortgage
industry is kind of picking up alittle bit of steam.
We have two teenage kids, a dog.
(03:04):
It's just life is busy, likeeverybody else, with all of
their activities and everythinggoing on, so time isn't really
allowing.
But we're doing it ourselvesanyway, and for me, this is why,
among other things.
But there are some neighbors whorecently had pallets delivered
and instead of, like many of theother neighbors, having it done
(03:26):
for them, they decided to do itthemselves, and they're like 20
years older than us, easily,probably, and to see them out
there distributing and layingtheir own mulch was like what
the hell am I doing?
I should be out there likeusing this as an opportunity to
get a good strength workout in,to get a good cardio workout in.
(03:50):
And then there's anotherneighbor at the other end of the
street who's in his eightiesand he does a lot of his lawn
work himself too, and I'm like Icannot in good, I can't feel
good about having somebody elsedo this for me anymore after
seeing that.
So do you agree?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, I mean, it's not not to, you know, deny the
fact that we're doing it to savemoney.
First of all, I mean it's agood chunk of money to do it
yourself and we got a good dealon it.
Plug to Lowe's.
They had a nice, nice salewhere it was like super cheap,
was it like $2 a bag orsomething?
$2 a bag, yeah, which is reallycheap.
(04:35):
That's like year 2002 pricing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
This episode, by the way, is not sponsored by the
Lowe's, although it seems likeit should be, because we went to
Lowe's this morning Lowe'salthough it seems like it should
be, because we went to Lowe'sthis morning.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
We can just go off.
Lowe's is awesome, lowe's isawesome, lowe's is.
But my love for Lowe's startedback in Ohio.
I was going to buy a powerwasher one time.
I brought it up to the frontand they were like are you
seriously going to buy that?
And I was like yeah.
And he's like I was literallywalking back there to mark that
off a half price.
And I was like are you serious?
And he put the half pricesticker on it right when I was
checking out and I'm like I haveforever going to be loyal to
Lowe's.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
That was a random act of kindness.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But that made me a loyal customer.
You know just that one thing.
And years later you know butbut I mean the bottom line is
we're doing this to save money,but also it's um.
You know it feels good to takecare of your, your own stuff.
You know to like we used to doin Ohio a lot more than we did
in Florida.
In Florida we've had more yardwork, we've we've hired
(05:40):
companies to help us with thatand um.
But in Ohio, you know, we dideverything ourselves and there
was a sense of pride that youhad from staining your deck and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, I've got my messy bun up, I'm in my yard
work clothes and I am ready totake on the project.
But that's actually exactlywhat we're going to talk about.
it's called the diy high it'sthe release of endorphins and
the feeling of pride that youget from completing a project
yourself, and it's not just inyour head, it's actually like
(06:15):
there's science to support it.
Now I have to give a shout outto my dad, the diy king.
He is diy with mort dog oninstagram if you haven't
followed him, definitely gocheck him out but he gives tips
on how to do some of thesmallest projects around the
house that are seemingly likehuge undertakings, and he breaks
(06:37):
it down to how simple it can bewith some steps.
The fun part about it is thathe rates the project by
difficulty on a one to five beerschedule.
So scale my bad.
Thank you for correcting me.
But yeah, so one to five beerscale.
So how difficult was thatproject?
(06:57):
Well, it's about a three, threebeer project, even though I've
already drank 12, he might say.
But but, not really, but he doesa lot of really cool stuff on
there.
Some of it's small stuff andsome of it's really big stuff,
like changing the pool liner inhis own pool.
So check him out at DIY withMort dog.
He probably has a rush ofendorphins a hundred percent of
(07:21):
the time because he's constantlydoing DIY projects.
But the uh, the I did it momentthat you get when you complete
a project is literally chemicalin your body.
So, because it requires focusand persistence and like
physical effort, our brainrewards us with like a little
(07:43):
cocktail of dopamine andendorphins and like serotonin.
So all of these hormones likewhen we finish something that
has meaning, and the big rewardneurotransmitter is dopamine.
So dopamine is a chemicalthat's released that says, hey,
way to go, you did it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So.
So why do we get dopamine whenwe look at Instagram?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, great question, and I don't know if I'm
answering it properly, but Ithink that we get.
Uh, my answer to that would bethat we get a quick hit of
dopamine and, though it may notbe the same feel good as
completing a project thatrewards us.
It's like an artificial hit ofdopamine and so I think some of
(08:29):
the research and I wasn'tprepared for this question to
answer it intelligently, but Ithink some of the research would
support that that's why wedon't take on difficult projects
or don't seek out things thatforce us to do extra effort,
because we're getting thatlittle hit of dopamine by
sitting here really doingnothing but and feeling like we
(08:51):
are like a gratification or aninstant satisfaction.
Now I could be completely wrong,but I'm pretty sure that's
correct.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That would make sense , because that's the same way.
Uh, we always joke and sayInstagram's, I'm going to have a
cigarette.
You know you stroke throughyour Instagram feed, but I feel
like it's the same feeling aswhen you did smoke a cigarette.
You felt like you were.
I got to go outside and smoke acigarette.
You felt like you were doingsomething.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
mean, it's like one of my good buddies.
I remember him telling me he'slike.
Smoking is like.
It gives you that satisfyingfeeling of doing something, but
you're doing absolutely nothing,you know.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah Well, dopamine is interesting because you don't
actually have to complete thetask for it to be released in
your brain either.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Dopamine is released as an anticipatory reward, so
that could be part of the socialmedia.
You know the engagement there.
You get the anticipated rewardand it increases your baseline,
and so then it takes like lessto get the same.
Satisfaction is how Iunderstand it.
(10:03):
There's this great book.
It's called dopamine nation.
I happen to have it right here.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh wow, there's this great book.
It's called Dopamine Nation.
I happen to have it right here,oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Look at you, it actually lives right behind me,
so it was really easy to grab.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's usually right behind you there, right beside
the reset button, right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Strategically placed.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Right, yes, oh, what's that doing there?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's my proof copy my author's copy.
It's actually bent becausesomebody has been reading it and
left it like laying open facedown.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So it's completely bent the spine, somebody,
somebody.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But in the book she talks about that when we get the
anticipated reward, ourbaseline increases and then, if
the reward we anticipateddoesn't materialize, our
dopamine falls off reallyquickly.
So we go right back at it.
It's like an addictive property.
And it says that it highlightsthe significance of the dopamine
(10:58):
surge our brain experienceswhen we actually achieve
something.
So when we actually do a DIYproject, the surge continues
beyond the anticipated rewardand it increases the sense of
accomplishment and satisfactionthat we feel.
And she goes on.
It's Dr Anna Lempke.
(11:20):
She goes on to talk about thisconcept.
This book is amazing and I don'teven think you've read it and
you need to read it and I needto read it and I'm probably
butchering all of this, but thewhole idea is just to introduce
you and everyone else to it Alittle bit of information that's
, you know, helpful and engagingand and seek out, you know, the
(11:44):
actual, correct informationversus what I'm probably
spitting out, the actual correctinformation versus what I'm
probably spitting out.
But she talks about thepleasure pain balance in this
book.
That talks about why it's sorewarding to do something that's
challenging, like get in ice,cold water, and something that's
like manageable pain.
So I don't mean, like you know,something super, super
(12:06):
challenging that's likedetrimental to your health, but
those types of activities whenyou expose yourself to
manageable pain on purpose, therelease of dopamine is a more
like an even more lasting senseof satisfaction.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Like taking five years to write a book.
The dopamine that you get fromthat is different than the
dopamine that you would get frommaking an Instagram post.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Correct yes, both will give you a sense of
satisfaction and a release andrush of dopamine.
One is more superficial and Idon't mean that in like a oh,
that's, she's so superficial andI don't mean that in like a oh
that's.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
she's so superficial, maybe not superficial, not
superficial, but maybe moreshallow, like it's more.
It doesn't have the depth oflike.
Just like hanging a picture onthe wall gives you a little bit
of a dopamine hit Like oh cool,I did that, versus doing the
mulch in all your yard.
You know, when you stand backand look at your yard and be
like I did all that, you knowthat's going to be more of a
(13:13):
that right.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well, yeah, I mean, there's also like something
called the Ikea effect, and Idon't know if she talks about it
in the book, but in learningabout dopamine and different you
know information aboutendorphin rushes there's
something called the Ikea effectwhere, like when you build a
piece of furniture yourself,even if it's like not done as
(13:36):
well as it would have been doneby a professional furniture
builder, you're, you have somuch more satisfaction because
you feel connected to theproject Right.
So it's like you can stand backand look at this bookshelf or
this chair that you built fromIkea.
That might be crooked and looklike shit or be put together
wrong in a few different ways,but you, you love it you love it
(13:59):
more than if you just bought itfrom target.
Right, so or wherever, like no,no offense to target if you just
bought it from Lowe's.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, and another example is lately I've been
really into making homemade icecream.
So the homemade ice cream.
When I eat my own homemade icecream, I'm like, oh my God, this
is amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know, versus if I was at somebody's house, like
have some homemade ice cream.
I'm like, yeah, that's good,it's homemade ice cream, it's
what I expect.
But like since I made it, I'mlike, oh my.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
God.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I feel that way when I cook, like everything seems to
taste better when I've made it,even if it doesn't.
It's because chemically theseendorphins dopamine, serotonin,
whatever's being released, theyliterally are like feel good
chemicals and they kind ofalleviate pain.
Right, they're like a um therewards right yeah, it's like a
(14:53):
little reward that that remindsyou like that was worth the
trouble that was worth theeffort, keep going and you know.
Back to the social media concept.
I would have to dig into that alittle bit more because now I'm
intrigued, but I think that Ithink what I said is right.
It's why people don't get upand go do things, because they
feel like they already have.
(15:14):
In seeing somebody elseaccomplish something, maybe like
do you know what I mean?
Like the psychology behind thatis if I I feel good watching
someone else achieve somethingand it releases endorphins in a
way that, like now, I don't feelthis urge to do said difficult
thing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, it makes sense yeah.
Yeah, I'm interested to diginto that a little bit more,
because also like making a achecklist of things and crossing
them off like that feels good.
Is that you think that'sdopamine as well?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh my God, yes, I'm a dopamine junkie.
In that way, I will writethings on my list that I've
already done, just so I cancross them off.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
In your color changing pen.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Coincidentally, right here in my hand, this is the
mother of color changing pens.
This has like 20 colors.
It's big and fat and full ofjoy.
That should be.
That sounds like me.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That sounded really terrible that sounds like sanny
claus you're right, I wentsomewhere.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And you I went to the pessimistic side ask me for
money, kind of deal.
Listen, if you're interested inexploring more about dopamine
and the reward process or theimplications of doing something
and what it does to your body,like scientifically, this is a
great book, okay, so let mebring this back up Dopamine
(16:48):
nation.
It's a deep dive behind thescience.
Uh, like the science behindthese activities and experiences
that we have, and not just whenit comes to DIY projects, but
anything that's challenging ordifficult, training for a
marathon, hanging a picture onthe wall, like it literally
doesn't matter, it's the, it'swhat happens in your body when
(17:09):
you do that.
So I say that Lowe's hasn'tcalled yet, but I anticipate
that they will any minute.
So I don't mean to wrap upabruptly, but if you are
considering doing a project andyou're like debating whether to
start or finish it because youstarted and you're like shit,
now what?
Just remind yourself that likeyou're not just doing the
(17:32):
project, you're also giving yourbrain a bit of like a natural
and earned, high and earnedsatisfaction.
When it's a larger undertaking,perhaps something that's less
on the surface, something thattakes longer to complete,
something that might be morechallenging, there are science
(17:53):
that supports that.
It gives you a more sustainableand more meaningful experience
than just a quick hit ofdopamine will give you anytime
when you, you know, are doingsomething that's routine or easy
.
So challenge yourself andremember that it's.
It's beyond sometimes thephysical activity or the mental
(18:15):
challenge.
It's literally you'reincreasing your science
experiment inside your body.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Finish the thing, feel the high you earned it.
It feels so good, good, andthen, like anything else, that
compounds right.
We'll see what I say in acouple days when we deliver all
this mulch.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And I'm walking around with a sore back, a
sunburn and I'm pissed off well,can I abruptly just change
gears here real quick and justuh, also say I, I would like you
to talk about meeting your,your hero author, too this week.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh God, that's like still this week that was like
within the last five days.
Yeah, okay, yeah, definitely ashift, but it was a rush of
dopamine in many ways, becausewe went to an author signing
event at a local bookstore inTampa called the Oxford exchange
, and it was author GretchenRubin.
(19:13):
God, she's written so manybooks I couldn't tell you how
many double digits for sure andthe release of her newest book
is called secrets of adulthood.
It's a very short book, almostcoffee table, where it's life
aphorisms, like short sentences,but they're very contemplative,
(19:33):
like they make you think verydeeply, in just a few words,
which is what an aphorism is,and it's attributed to her, so
that makes it an aphorism.
I learned that An aphorism is acool word, so I'll keep saying
it.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And I love aphorism.
I learned that an aphorism is acool word, so I'll keep saying
it, and I love aphorisms too.
I mean I think in aphorisms allday long, like you know what I
mean, Like when you programyourself with these little
concepts.
It actually is a greatoperating system, I found.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I wish I had an aphorism from Gretchen's book
pulled up right here so I couldgive you an example.
Because then I want you to givean example of one of your
aphorisms.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, well, what was hers about?
Anything that's not scheduled?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Something like that, but not.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
We can pause and look it up real quick.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It was anything that can be done at any time, will be
done at no time, or somethingvery close to that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, um, anything that can be done, something that
can be done at any time, willbe done at no time, or can be
done at no time, or you get thesentiment.
The point is to make you thinkdeeply about what that means in
your life.
So, even if I'm not getting itexactly right, the idea is close
enough.
So I'm not quoting Gretchen,but close enough.
(20:56):
I did, however, quote Gretchenin my book, and so it was very
exciting to go see someone who'smade an impact on so many
people in the personaldevelopment area of life.
Someone who's made an impact onso many people in the personal
development area of life.
She's most notably famous forher book, the Happiness Project,
and so to go meet her, see herspeak, but also be able to show
(21:20):
her where I've quoted her in myown book, it literally says
author Gretchen Rubin coined thephrase the days are long but
the years are short, also anaphorism, and I use that as a
reference in my book wasincredible.
It was a huge hit of dopamine,because I was experiencing the
(21:43):
feel good chemical in my body ofnot just completing my own
project but then being able toshow someone who has completed
many of their own huge projectsin books where they've inspired
me in a personal way.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And she, she was so nice and so kind and so gracious
and you know I should haveoffered to give her my proof
copy.
I don't know what I wasthinking.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You're like you can't have that.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I'm like here, give it back to me.
I gotta go.
Thank you, but really, really acool experience and, you know,
one of those full circle momentswhere it didn't have to be that
way.
I'm just so grateful, you know,she didn't have to be speaking
in Tampa right now.
I've been working on this bookfor five years.
She's released two or threebooks in five years but she
(22:34):
didn't have to be speaking there.
I didn't have to have justreceived my proof copy of the
book to have it literallyphysically in my hand, which is
a completely differentexperience than showing someone
a PDF on your phone of your book, which is a completely
different experience thanshowing someone a PDF on your
phone of your book.
And you know, just a reallyinteresting experience.
(22:54):
I can't believe that was likeless than seven days ago.
We also went to the symphony,we also had Easter and we also
had our son's 15th birthday allwithin days.
And so remember what?
At the beginning of thisepisode, when I'm like we're
doing the landscaping ourself,but not because time allows well
, no shit, time doesn't allow Idon't even know what's happening
(23:14):
.
No wonder I get shitty sleep.
There's not enough time tosleep.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Plus, we got to watch our stories at night.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They ruined my life.
They're the highlight of my daybecause I'm so exhausted.
At the end of the day, All Iwant to do is just numb out on
watching nonsense.
But then they ruin my lifebecause I don't get the sleep
that I need.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And here we are back to pessimism, which we're going
to dive into sleep in a laterepisode, but that is a big, big
impact on her.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh, you're right.
Yeah, let's tease them comingup.
We have a dear friend of ours,um, she's going to come on soon
and talk about our electronicdevices, like our aura rings and
our Garmin watches and our uh,different things that read VO2,
(24:09):
you know, as best as they can.
She's going to come on and giveus a lot of expert detail about
that in a future episode, whichwe're really jacked about
because my aura ring tells me Isuck pretty much every day.
Your readiness sucks, you suck,your sleep sucks.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Take it easy today.
What?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
happened.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
What happened yesterday, take it easy today.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, every day.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What happened?
What happened yesterday?
Take it easy today, yeah, everyday, honestly, out of just a
haphazard accidental study,though for a couple weeks we
were really good about listen tome sound smart our sleep
hygiene, but we were justgetting kick-ass sleep.
(24:49):
I mean we were like sauna-ingat like 8.30, doing a little
yoga, getting in bed by.
Like you know, it was likelights out by 9.30.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Magnesium on my feet, the whole deal.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
It was all the little things that were like and it
worked.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
No snacking.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, no eating before bed.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No TV.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
No TV, just go lay and go to sleep.
And that that latency fromlaying in bed and not watching
an hour of Netflix or hour and ahalf, or you know that somehow
has an impact and it, and it wascrazy, like every night we were
getting like high eightiessleep scores and now it's like
low 70s.
(25:29):
And the only thing reallydifferent, those little things
there.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You know they eat like I'll eat some popcorn or
you know so, but interestingstuff when you say that it's
like well, damn it, that wasthat felt so good.
Why is it so hard to break thebad habits?
Then Knowing that what's on theother side of doing the right
things feels so good.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well, I'll answer that with a Gretchen aphorism If
you eat an apple, if you havethe choice, watch me, you don't
want to see me destroy.
No, but what?
How does it go If you?
You can't, you can't, you can'thave the apple way in the
orange?
If you eat the apple, you'regoing to regret not getting it.
(26:12):
What was it?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I wasn't prepared.
I don't have a book in here topull it.
It's something about regretting.
There's regret on both sides.
Yeah right, you can't have both.
If you eat the apple, you'llregret not having the orange.
If you eat the orange, you'llregret not having the apple.
If you eat the apple, you'llregret not having the orange.
If you eat the orange, you'llregret not having the apple.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's on both sides.
Again, that is not a directquote.
No, that is 100%.
But you get the idea.
But again, you get the idea,you get the idea.
There's a cost to everything.
So the cost of getting thatgood sleep and feeling great the
next day is you don't get towatch your stories.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You great.
The next day is you don't getto watch your stories.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I know you don't get to eat popcorn.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That's easy dopamine.
And there you go, we're trading, we're trading.
It's costing us good dopamineby feeling like shit the next
day for cheap dopamine.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And that is a great example that the dopamine that
happens when you do the hardthing, which is get focused on
your sleep hygiene and doing allthe right things, is more
sustainable, right.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Not just the dopamine but all of the health benefits.
But it's not as easy and it'snot as cheap and it doesn't feel
as good in the moment.
I'm not happy at nine 30 whenI'm like lights out.
I'm such a good girl.
Look how my sleep hygiene is.
I'm pissed because I want towatch uncle baby Billy, yeah,
(27:37):
yeah, and the righteousgemstones before I go to bed,
because that is immediatedopamine, uncle baby you don't
want to give your uncle babyBilly.
I sure can close it down withuncle baby Billy Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, listen here now .
Thank you for listening to theCameo Show podcast.
This is Uncle Baby Billy fromthe Righteous Gemstones.
We appreciate it so much.
Jesus loves you.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Listen, if you have not seen the Righteous Gemstones
, you don't have to watch theshow.
Just Google it, you'll find himto get the image of the
character.
And also Greg, you sound justlike him.
I can't even Google it.
You'll find him to get theimage of the character.
And also Greg, you sound justlike him.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I can't even believe it.
I thought that was shitty.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You sound just like him.
I mean, you want to give itanother whirl, you want to give
it a little more effort, or what.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay, take two.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Listen here now.
This is Uncle Baby Billy,encouraging you to listen, share
and spread the word about theCameo Show podcast.
Now it's good for you to listento this show.
Now let me tell you why.
You learn something.
You're entertained a little bitand you can.
(28:43):
It brightens your day a littlebit, gives you a little bit of
dopamine.
Now listen, listen to the CameoShow podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Whatever you watch podcasts and check out the
Righteous Gemstones to see moreof me, uncle, baby Billy.
Yes, so intense he's so intense.
Check out the show, just Googleit.
Even so, you know what the helljust happened.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
But, greg, it's excellent.
Very good, okay, very good okayI feel, like I butchered that.
But well, I'll work on it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, maybe next time we'll, we'll give you another
shot.
You had two today.
I thought they were great bothreally I'm entertained, yeah,
okay but greg and uncle babybilly are both correct.
There are new episodes of theCameo Show every Wednesday.
We do hope that you learnsomething, that you feel
something, that you're intriguedby something, or at least
(29:36):
you're a little entertained andyou might laugh a time or two,
and we hope you'll join us againnext time.
You can find more.
You can find more.
That all came out as like onebig cough, so let me try again
again.
You can find more at cameoelise brauncom or the cameo show
on all podcast platforms andyoutube, and just when do we?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
when?
When we buy the book?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
yes, uh, my book, the reset button conveniently
placed right behind me If you'rewatching the video.
This beautiful turquoise itemwill be available for purchase
on May 20th 2025.
It is a personal developmentmemoir heavy on the memoir.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, thanks, greg, for the for the market calendar.
All right.
Thanks for following along,thanks for being here.
Thanks, greg, thank you Untilnext time, until next time.
Until next time.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Now see you later.
Now Be good.
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