The Power of DEXA Scans with Virginia Kinkel

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Cameo Show.
I'm your host, cameo, and todaywe are thrilled to have our
guest, virginia Kinkle.
She and her husband own BodyMass Gym and Body Mass
Composition Testing.
She is a leading expert in DEXAscanning, the powerful tool
that Greg and I shared thatshows you your body composition
where your fat mass lies, whereyour lean muscle mass lies, and

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also your bone density otherimportant factors in
understanding your overallpicture of wellness as it
pertains to your body.
So, virginia, thank you so muchfor being here.
We're so excited for all ofyour knowledge.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
You're welcome.
I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
And before we jump in , greg, welcome to the show my
husband and co-host.
Yes, so excited to be here andI'd love to kick things off with
a little dad joke.
Please don't let us down.
So what do you call a boomerangthat doesn't come back to you,
virginia?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Runaway ring.
I don't know what is it?
A stick?
Ha ha.
Yeah, I need to understand thelevel of dad joke there.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I had to like pause and think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's great, I love it.
That's my repertoire now.
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
The obvious one, the obvious dad joke.
All right, virginia.
So, as we mentioned and how weconnected in the first place,
greg and I went to MI40 gym inTampa and had DEXA scans done
through your body masscomposition testing business,
and we understand and haveshared our results to the level

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at which we were able and thenanswered some more questions
that some of our listeners hadsent in, and there was a lot of
interest around this episode inparticular.
So we are so grateful for you tobe here as the expert, because
this is something that peopleare taking major seriously,
maybe not just in the gym or inthe bodybuilding world, but

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people who are looking to loseweight, who are maybe
perimenopausal or menopausalwomen who want to understand
what that means for them, orjust anyone who's taking this
information seriously to nextlevel their longevity by
understanding what it all lookslike underneath.
So, if we can just start withthe basic level answer from your

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expert level of what is a DEXAscan and what makes it the gold
standard compared to other bodycomposition testing, the scale
and all of the things that weall know as ways to measure our
weight, our wellness, Well,that's a great question and even
to like backtrack beforetotally deep diving into it, you

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made a really good point thatwe started in 2018.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I've been operating DexaSkin since 2013.
Historically, the type ofclients that we've had are those
that care about more of theaesthetic side and why they want
information on.
Body composition is what do Ilook like and how much fat mass
do I have.
Composition is what do I looklike and how much fat mass do I
have.
But recently, especially in thelast few years you know

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post-COVID and Peter Atiyah'sbook coming out and that kind of
buzzword of longevity peopleare utilizing the data and
information so much more tounderstand their health and how
they can really optimize that tolive a better quality life now
and have that quality lastlonger.
So it's really been neat, evenin the decade or so that I've
been doing this, to see how thatshift has really happened.

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So I think that's important tonote, even going into it,
because that'll help touch baseon some of the other stuff that
I talk about.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, great point.
Thank you for bringing that up,you're welcome.
Yeah, for sure so what a DEXAis.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It is if you have never even heard of it or never
even looked it up like Googledwhat it looks like.
It looks like a technical pieceof x-ray equipment, which
essentially it is.
It's basically this long tablethat looks like it would be in a
medical facility, where theyhistorically have been with this

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arm above it, which is whatmeasures your body composition.
Now, the way the DEXA works iswhat happens.
You lay on the table, down flaton your back.
The machine starts at your head.
Underneath the table, which youcan't see, is a low dosage
x-ray On the top arm.
If you've ever gotten a DEXA,you see there's this sensor that

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moves back and forth.
As it passes these sweeps alongthe length of your body, what's
happening underneath the bed atthe same rate.
That x-ray is sending a signalup to the sensor and the sensor
is determining the interference,your body laying in the way of
that signal.
The three types of tissue thatthe DEXA looks at is BMC, which

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stands for bone mineral content.
So your skeleton, your leanmass, which is anything that is
not fat mass and is not bone,and your fat mass, and each of
those three types of tissue havea different density to it.
So, based on the rate at whichthat signal is received by the
sensor, the machine candetermine what type of tissue

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it's passing through and becauseit's getting sweeps of your
entire body, from head to toeexactly how much of that tissue
there is.
So that kind of answers.
The question in terms ofcomparing it to other forms of
body composition is its accuracyand its detail.
It's utilizing x-ray todetermine the tissue, unlike any

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other methods that bod pods useair displacement, hydrostatic
weighing uses water displacement.
Something like an in-body usesbioelectric impedance.
Those types of measures don'thave the detail and the accuracy
that an x-ray does.
Again, if you've never done aDEXA before, it seems a little

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daunting.
All you do is you lay still onthe table, takes roughly six to
10 minutes depending on how tallor how thick the person is, to
run from head to toe.
But what it's doing is it'slooking at information on your
body as a whole, but it's alsobreaking down what that type of
tissue is and where it'sdistributed in your body, so we

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can get a better read on notjust what's there but where it
is and, more importantly, in thelong run, how do things we're
doing in the gym in our dailylife nutrition-wise affect those
results.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yes, absolutely.
Such an important part of thatis where the mass lies, whether
it's fat mass, what type of fatit is.
So if we can just keep goinginto those details, that was
such an expert level descriptionof how it works.
I know that you're going toblow us out of the water with
the description of thedifference in where it lies and

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why that's important, and thenalso the differences in fat mass
and what that means for ouroverall health.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Let's kind of touch base on thefat mass a little bit.
So we have two different typesof adipose tissue or fat tissue
in our body.
We have subcutaneous and wehave visceral.
This is the way I alwaysdescribe this.
My husband says it's a littlecannibalistic, but I think it's
an easy way to describe.
It is if you had like a nicebig steak on your plate.

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The visceral fat is the fatthat's kind of marbleized in
with the meat.
The subcutaneous fat is kind ofthe trimming around the edge.
That's how it is in our body.
The visceral fat is the stuffthat's kind of marbleized in.
The subcutaneous fat is thestuff that is more surface level
or like pinchable, for lack ofa better word.
So when we're looking at theDEXA, there are two specific

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areas that we really like tohone in on.
One is an area that's calledthe android and one is an area
that's called the gynoid.
The android is our belly region.
It is an area from the base ofour ribs to the top of our
pelvis where a lot of thosevital organs are stored.
And we are looking at the fatmass in that android region,

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which helps us get a read on howmuch fat is somebody storing
around those vital organs, thestuff that has the higher
correlation with diabetes, heartdisease, metabolic disease, all
this stuff we want to stay awayfrom.
We can get a read not just onwhat percent fat are you in that
region, because that's helpfulto know, but exactly how many

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pounds of Android fat mass do wehave, of Android fat mass do we
have?
So if we have a certainpercentage of Android fat mass
and we are losing Android poundsat the same rate,
proportionally, that we'relosing lean mass, you know,

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maybe you're just decreasing thelean mass there a little bit,
your percentage might stay thesame, but if you've lost a half
a pound of fat mass, you'reactually making an improvement.
Right, we're decreasing thepounds of fat mass in the region
.
We could talk about whatgaining lean mass looks like
separately, but that's just anexample to use where the
percentage could theoreticallystay the same.
We want to see that improvewith time.
But if we're losing pounds inthat Android section, that tells

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us we have less fat storedaround those organs and that
correlates to better health.
So that's the Android region.
The gynoid region is kind oflike your hips and your butt, so
it's from the pelvis to thewidest part of the legs and that
gives us insight into oursubcutaneous or surface level
fat.
Now this is an area that maybe,aesthetically, you might want

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to lose fat mass.
Women tend to store more intheir gynoid.
Men tend to store more in theirandroid.
So again, from an aestheticstandpoint we might see that we
want to lose that, but from anoverall health and a correlation
to overall health and qualityof life, that's not as high of
an indicator as that Android is.

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So if you have two people whocome in, they're the same height
, they're the same weight, theyhave the same amount of total
lean mass, they have the sameamount of total fat mass, but
one person has a significantlyhigher android fat mass and one
person has a significantlyhigher gynoid fat mass.
We can say, even though onpaper and even though body

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composition, total bodycomposition wise they might be
similar, they are at verydifferent risk levels for all of
the stuff that we kind of wantto stay away from.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yes, and so you mentioned that men and women
carry fat in different areas,men in that stomach region more
so than women in the hips andbutt area, and so I'm curious is
that number, percentage wise,also different, like there are
different ranges that arehealthy for men and women

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overall, and maybe we shouldstart there but then dip into
those specific regions as wellfrom a health perspective?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I love, love, love answeringthis question because us, as
human nature, it's like tell mewhat to need, what I need to do
and where I need to be, and I'mgoing to get there.
And when it comes to somethinglike body composition, what we
really want to focus on istrends, and we want to see how

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do numbers change, ideallyimprove in the long run, by
creating and implementing thesesustainable changes.
So, for most people, eventhough they might not like want
to hear this answer becausewe're so like programmed to need
to have like, what should mybody fat percentage be?
What we want to see is thatthese numbers are trending in a

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better direction at asustainable rate on paper, from
data, but also from a realisticand a sustainable standpoint in
terms of what we're doing in ourlife.
There's a lot of people and Iknow Kim, you know, you know,
this is a former bodybuilderthat might come in and their
results look phenomenal on paperbecause they've been doing

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their hours of cardio andthey've been counting every
single thing that goes intotheir body and they're sleeping,
but they're totally steppingaway from their social life.
They're kind of slacking onthings like work.
They're not able to enjoy theselike family moments, and so for
me, when I look at that, sure,on paper does it look good.

(12:42):
Are you hitting the number, thetarget that you want to be?
No, yeah, but are you doingthat in a quick way?
That's not sustainable and whatis the cost of doing that?
So to me, longevity is not justyour health, but like what is
your social and yourenvironmental health as well

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bodybuilding and I feel like Idid it the right way and it
likely was sustainable.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Should I have continued to do that?
Because I had a great coach anda great nutrition specialist
who was leading me in the rightdirection with finding harmony
and balance and making thatsustainable.
It's just life gets in the waysometimes and it doesn't always,
so it wasn't this quick dropoff or this quick lead in, as it
can be, but it also, to yourpoint, my happiness level was

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super low, so my body scan wouldhave looked damn good and my
happiness and balance level notbecause of bodybuilding in
particular, but just because oflife in general and where I was
personally was not in alignmentwith that, and so I appreciate
that you bring that up as like afull spectrum, a full
composition of your life versusjust your body and how that all

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plays together, because it'ssuper important overall.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
We want to have sustainable.
We want something that you canmake improvements on, that you
can continue to maintain, youcan continue to fluctuate a
little bit, you can continue toimprove.
But what often times has beenthe mindset is like I'm going to
go so hard because I have thisvacation in Mexico and I want to

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look good on the beach, andpeople go really hard in terms
of getting results and progress,but then you go and you're off
on your vacation at anall-inclusive resort and you
totally undo everything that youjust did.
So, really, you come back afterthat vacation and what progress
have you made?
If you make small, sustainablechanges over time, then you can

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go on that vacation and you'renot swinging the pendulum 180
degrees in the oppositedirection.
You might take a small step back, but you're comfortable with
these small steps forward.
That a small step back isn'tgoing to be detrimental.
So I know that doesn't reallyanswer the question, but that's
the answer that I like to giveis where we should be is what
you can do in a sustainable waythat allows you to start to see

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improvements in those areas.
For some people, like you, hadtouched base on perimenopausal
women, where we start to alreadysee these signs of sarcopenia
and loss of muscle mass.
Maybe it's about improving leanmass in certain areas of your
body that are a little bit lower.
Maybe for somebody who has beenstuck at their desk for 20

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years and not prioritize theirhealth, it's looking at that fat
pounds in that Android region.
It looks a little different foreverybody, but it's what's?
Something small that we canhone in on and start to make
changes with.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, it kind of eliminates, like, the focus on
the aesthetic part of it, whichI know is still very important
in some ways, depending on whatyour goal is, because it's all
tied to exactly that.
But it it eliminates that andreally shifts the focus to what
is it about you specificallythat you're working toward, not

(16:05):
aesthetic but overall with yourhealth, and how can you adjust,
how you measure your level ofsuccess with that versus what I
look like or what the number onthe scale says, or where I'm at
in my age or my, my vacationjourney, you know, like just a
long-term, overall, sustainableplan that allows you to really

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see things for what they are,clearly instead of what.
What's the goal?
And did I hit the mark?
And if I didn't, now I'mdepressed, I'm guilty, I'm
stressed out that sucks.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
We scan a lot of high-performing type A people
and if they are so focused on anumber, it's a pass, fail, right
, like I either passed or Ididn't pass, and if I didn't
pass then I failed completely,when in reality there are so
many other markers that aremaking improvements.

(16:56):
And how do we focus on that?
Maybe this one area, whetherit's weight or whether it's
overall body fat percentage,didn't move in the direction you
wanted it to, but now we have aconversation and what does it
look like to start to see thatchange?
So I do want to say to yourpoint that you had asked earlier
about weight on a scaleespecially.
This is especially true withwomen, because we have been so

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conditioned to think that scalegoes up, we're losing progress.
Scale goes down, we're makingprogress, we could step on that
scale.
And if it says X pounds, okay,step on that same scale the
exact same day, looking, feelingthe same way.
And if it says X plus five, wefailed.
And if it says X minus five,we've succeeded, and that's how
we've been so ingrained to think.

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And there are so many factorsbeyond that.
And so for women especially,especially those who are
starting to learn about andunderstand the value of strength
training.
If you do a DEXA and six monthslater you do a DEXA again and
your weight is the exact same,your total mass has not changed

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at all, you are gonna look atthat as a failure.
I've put in six months of workand I've not made any progress.
But if we start to see okay,your fat mass has gone down by
eight pounds, your fat mass hasgone down by eight pounds and
your lean mass has gone up byeight pounds.
Really, in six months you'vemade a 16 pound differential
change.
You've improved your bodycomposition.

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Ideally, we do this inconjunction with things like
blood work, things like otherassessments to see where your
performance is.
And now, how does that look andhow did those numbers?
So who cares that the scaledidn't move?
These are all the improvementsthat you're making.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yes, and it's woven so thick through our life about
the scale.
It's the first thing you dowhen you go to the doctor.
It's how you measure whether ornot, I mean, I know better and
I still get on the scaleliterally every single day.
The thing that I have going forme is that I do know better, so
I'm able to see like I'm notreally looking for an overall
number, I'm just I like to knowwhat's happening.

(19:01):
I like the metrics.
I like to see like, oh, I'mholding water today because I
did eat differently yesterday,or I don't have a DEXA scan at
home, so I know that it's goingto fluctuate.
But a lot of people don'trealize that you can fluctuate
several pounds within a day justbased on multiple things your
hormones, how much water youconsumed, how much activity you

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had, like all of the things.
And so we have a teenagedaughter and I'm not I don't
mean to call her out by anymeans but like there's this lack
of understanding that a poundof fat and a pound of muscle
both way a pound, it's that onetakes up less space because
there's more density and onetakes up more space because it's
less.
And so that eight and eightthat you were speaking to, that

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16 pound overall differential,doesn't make sense to her and to
a lot of people who don'tunderstand that.
That that number on the scale, Imean I, I weigh more, weighed
more when I was bodybuildingthan I did in any other time in
my life and I was the leanest Iwas ever because of the way that

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it was distributed throughoutmy body.
So it's a really hard thing forpeople to grasp.
And when we touched on that onthe previous episode, when we
were talking about our ownresults, that was one of the
questions I was poorly poorlyarticulating that if you took
two people who weigh the exactsame amount on the scale, who
are of the similar height, whoget on the DEXA scan, that one

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person may be 145 pounds and 15%body fat and the other may be
60% body fat.
They look a lot different.
Yes, their clothes fit a lotdifferent, but they weigh the
same.
So to that point of thatmeasurement on the scale and why
we have such trouble with itand the conditioning that we've

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received our entire life,they're not equivalent.
It's not the same thing.
Can you speak to that in a moreintelligent, expert level way?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
No, I think you did a great job and I want to kind of
start this off by saying toyour point, like of stepping on
the scale every day if you canuse the number on a scale as
metrics and as data and itdoesn't drive how you feel about
yourself on any given day,there's nothing wrong with that.
I step on the scale every dayand, again, I'm just like using

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this as information and data andto see what I need to tweak and
change.
But if that all of a suddendictates my mood and my
personality for the day and howI value myself, that's when the
scale needs to go away.
So so to your point I don'tthink stepping on it every day,
depending on the individual, isnecessarily a bad thing.
It's just what are you doingwith that information?
Is it information or is itdriving you personally?

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So I just wanted to say thatbecause I think that's a really
good point.
Absolutely so.
Actually, you said you do haveyour decks in front of you,
right, the papers?
Absolutely so.
Actually you said you do haveyour decks in front of you,
right, the papers?
Yeah, so if you look on thefirst page, where it kind of has
that like um picture of yourbody on the left and around your
ankles, it should say um, likethe date, your age, your

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percentile, your total masspercentage, fat.
If you go to the far right itit should say fat-free pounds.
Do you see that?
Yeah, are you guys okay withsaying what your numbers are on
this?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh yeah, I will preface this by saying that this
was July of last year and wehave not returned and, as I
shared with you before, wejumped on the actual recording,
last year sucked, I was injured,I drowned myself in terrible
choices, and so I haven't beenback.
But I'm ready, like I'm readyto see where I'm healthy, and
I'm ready to kind of revisit mycomparison from where I was then

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coming off of three months offfrom an injury to begin with,
and then finishing the year withmore, but also like to to track
, like it's just this metric, tomake sure that I'm staying in
alignment with where I want tobe overall, aesthetically and
health wise, from now to the endof the year.
So you don't have the sameexcuse you were.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I do.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Oh, you did get injured, you're right, I did
injured later in the year but Iwas sympathy eating.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
So it was kind of like when you're pregnant and
I'm like I'll have one of thosetoo.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
You know I was eating candy right along with you, so
I'll say the same thing about mynumbers.
But yes, totally, totally openbook here, no problem at all.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, so this is something that I want to point
out is so, cameo, what's yourfat free pounds?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
My fat free pounds was one 10.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Okay.
And then Greg, what was yours?
One, 60.
Okay, so fat free pounds forthose who've not done a DEXA,
that's the combination of yourlean and your bone.
So that's kind of the goodstuff, right?
Those are the numbers that we'dlike to see go up with time.
Bone isn't going to go upsignificantly Lean.
Ideally we'd like to see thatgo up with time.

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That is, if you were totheoretically get rid of every
ounce of fat on your entire body, which is not possible, that is
what you would weigh.
I will say, especially as aformer competitor, cameo is we
scan the some of the top levelbodybuilders in the world like
the week of the Olympia.
When the Olympia was down inFlorida at the Tampa location,

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we were scanning Olympia levelathletes, the best athletes, the
best bodybuilders in the world,the week of show, where they
have been grinding hard formonths and months.
They still have 10 to 15 poundsof fat, depending on their
division, their size.
So just put that with a grainof salt nobody has ever zero
pounds of fat.
But if you were to look at thatfat-free pound, so the 110 and

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the 160, and then at the bottomyou see the scale of BMI.
So at the top part of thatcolorful scale it has like the
BMI number ranges, but at thebottom it has pounds.
So, cameo, I want you to lookthat 110 pounds when does that
fall on the scale?
For you?

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Is that kind of like in themiddle of the green normal range
?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I would say it's on the low side of the normal range
.
The mid of my normal isprobably around one 17, one 20.
Okay, close, but on the lowerside.
And what about yours, greg?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I'm confused what I'm looking for here.
Yeah, okay, close, but on thelower side.
And what about yours, greg?
I'm confused.
What I'm looking for here?
Yeah, okay, so, oh, yeah, yeah,that's good.
144 to 195.
So your norm range is if yourweight was 144 to 195, that
would put you in norm range.
So, for both of you, if youwere to have zero pounds of fat
on your body which is nothumanly possible, healthy,

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anything like that you would,because you have a significant
amount of lean mass fallsomewhere in that normal range.
That would put you at normalwithout any fat on your body,
which is not okay and which isnot healthy.
So all of that is to say I justyou know, as I'm going over
these cheats with people and thedata with people, I always like

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to point that out because ifyou have muscle, you are going
to have a higher BMI and yournumber on the BMI scale is going
to put you in that overweightor going to put you in that
obese category, because you havemuscle and muscle has weight to
it.
Yes so that's what the exercisewas, but all of the numbers on

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the paper have relevance, so Iwas kind of pointing out that
that's awesome yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well, that's a perfect illustration and also
kind of segue into the BMIconversation, because, aside
from the number on the scale,BMI is also something that we
are kind of conditioned to payattention to as a measure of
whether we're healthy or not,are kind of conditioned to pay
attention to as a measure ofwhether we're healthy or not.
And not only do we have ateenage daughter, but we have a
younger teenage boy who'sgrowing rapidly and changing at

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an insane pace and you knowthey're starting to have those
conversations in high schoolabout what BMI and understanding
it and wanting to.
You know, get the pump and puton some bulk and cut and all the
things that teenage boys talkabout.
And there's this lack ofunderstanding about what BMI
really means to him, because onthe BMI chart he's overweight,

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and explaining to him thatthat's not necessarily an
accurate measure for you to goby and the, I guess more so like
the psychological impact ofthat is huge.
So I'm glad that you broughtthat up and that was also like
me doing kind of a less thanaverage way like level
explanation of that on aprevious episode about what BMI

(27:22):
is and why it's important andwhy it also isn't like a huge
thing that I like to even payattention to, because it's
inaccurate when you talk aboutthe difference and where the
math comes from.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
That same example that I was saying of, like a
woman who's getting into fitnessand getting into strength
training.
If she makes that 16 pounddifferential of gaining eight of
lean and losing eight of fat,her BMI stays exactly the same.
Her weight on the scale staysexactly the same.
The doctor, looking at theirdata you know, at the kind of
more antiquated ways and howthey would measure things with
BMI she's not making anyprogress.

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So the doctor is like well, Itold you you need to lose weight
and this is what you know.
You're not doing anything thatyou need to and to your point,
with that psychological impact,it can be very disheartening and
very frustrating and not andjust show such a small fraction
of the picture.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Absolutely.
I hope that helps clear that upfor the listeners.
We got that question a fewtimes about.
More specifically, how does BMIlike?
What does it really mean?
And I will say we?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
we have people on the other end of the spectrum,
people who are at the low end ofnormal range of BMI, who have
body fat percentages that are,if you look at that kind of
purple graph that has your bodyfat percentage, are up in the
upper light purple range fortheir age people in the 30s,
people in the 40s and their BMIis low because they do not have

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a significant amount of leanmass.
So they're kind of like thatphrase skinny fat, right when
they don't weigh a lot becausethey don't have a significant
amount of lean mass.
So they're kind of like thatphrase skinny fat, right when
they don't weigh a lot becausethey don't have a lot of lean
mass but their percentage of fatrelative to the rest of the
tissue in their body is higher.
And we've gotten these kinds ofmessages or emails before

(29:08):
multiple times where people saythe DEXA must be wrong, the DEXA
is not right.
So we even get it from theother end of the spectrum.
And that's a more delicateconversation now, because these
are people that have been toldtheir entire life oh, I'm normal
, my weight is well within thenormal range.
Now this thing is telling me mybody fat percentage is that
high.
That can't possibly be right.
So it is interesting becausesometimes it does go the other

(29:30):
way.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
On the next page, while we'rekind of looking at these
documents, there is a sectionthat gives the enhanced analysis
where it shows the distributionof tissue, be it fat or lean
mass, and like, as a formerbodybuilder and I know you
compete actively like that'sreally important from a

(29:51):
symmetrical standpoint and thethings that you're really
getting granular on in thatmoment.
Can you speak to how and whythat is important to someone
who's just really looking formore of an overall health
understanding?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
There's really two things that we look at with this
.
Number one is looking at thelean mass imbalances from the
right to left side of your bodyas an indicator of maybe
compensation or potential injuryrisks.
So we work a lot with physicaltherapists for them.
That's really helpful, whetherit's somebody that's going to

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see them and we can see thislean mass imbalance, or it's
somebody, you know, post-op orpost-injury coming back.
And how did they start to buildback the muscle that is
atrophied from an injury?
So we see it from thatperspective.
In addition to that perspective, we also see it with if

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somebody's just starting outtheir fitness journey, it starts
to give us a sense of theirmovement patterns a little bit
more.
A lot of people, especiallywhen they're starting out,
things that they do arebilateral, or it's stuff with a
barbell or stuff with a machinewhere you're moving both sides
simultaneously, so there can bea compensation on one side

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versus unilateral stuff, moredumbbell based stuff, stuff
that's independent, so it givesus some insight into that.
So that's one component.
The other component is thisstarts to tell the story.
I really like to think of theDEXA and every subsequent DEXA.
You do as like differentchapters in your story and what

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we do is we just kind of havethe summary, but what we're
doing in between is what'sleading to that kind of overall
result from the data or thatsummary.
So if we, in that example thatI'd used earlier, have a woman
who's gained eight pounds oflean mass and lost eight pounds
of fat mass, we can now seeexactly where did she gain that

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eight pounds of lean mass andexactly where did she lose that
eight pounds of fat mass, oflean mass, and exactly where did
she lose that eight pounds offat mass.
So maybe she's somebody whocomes in and is like you know,
my arms are like really flabby.
I don't like the way my armslook.
Well, if we can look at, we cansay, actually you've lost, you
know, three tenths of a pound offat in your left arm and two

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tenths of a pound of fat in yourright arm, and you've gained
three tenths of a pound of leanmass in your left and two tenths
in your right.
We can start to say what it isthat you're doing.
Oh, you started working with apersonal trainer twice a week
that focuses on upper body.
That is taking you the stepsthat we need towards getting the

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results that you want.
So it starts to tell us exactlywhat's happening with that
cause and effect relationship.
Where is stuff changing?
If you know, cameo, you and Ilet's say all of our stats and
all of our numbers were exactlythe same and you and I followed
the exact same training program,the exact same nutrition.
And then, six months later, wedid a DEXA, you and I would have

(32:49):
different results because we'redifferent people.
So it starts to tell us thestory of you as an individual,
how your body responds to thechanges that you're making.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And so when someone first starts, are you honed in
on that specifically, or are youmore looking at like the bigger
, broader numbers, and then thatcomes later as part of the
story.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
So I have a client who's a lawyer and she's like I
feel like DEXA is like you.
Interpreting a DEXA is like alawyer, because the answer is
always it depends.
So it depends on that.
Conversation looks differentbased off of the individual kind
of what their history is, whattheir goals are.
Someone like you coming in foryour first ever DEXA I would

(33:34):
deep dive those numbers with youbecause you have a really
strong background in fitness andunderstanding things like body
composition and all of that.
If it was somebody who's comingin who's like oh you know, my
doctor said I should get a DEXA.
Or I was listening to thispodcast and they said that I
should get a DEXA, so I'm comingto do this.
Oh, you know, my doctor said Ishould get a Dex.
Or I was listening to thispodcast and they said that I
should get a Dex, so I'm comingto do this.
But you know, I go for a walklike twice a week with my dog

(33:58):
and that's kind of all I do, butI just want to be healthier.
Someone like that we're goingto look at the much more,
because some of the nuance canfeel overwhelming and
intimidating for sure on thoseread on those people and maybe
they come back for their secondone and they're like super into
it and they want to now go intothe number.
So a lot of it is getting aread on the individual that

(34:20):
makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
It depends yes, A hundred percent, kind of all the
entirety of it just what thegoal is, who the person is, what
they're doing, what theirbackground is.
Can you speak to when you seeimprovements?
I'm sure the answer is itdepends, and rightfully so.
But do you see, pending on theindividual and what their level
of progress or measure ofprogress is better progress with

(34:43):
someone who adds activity orwho hones in on the nutrition
element, or a combination ofboth, or you know where?
Where would you point someone?
And what do you see as anaverage kind of result?
Yeah, Not for the professionalbodybuilder, but maybe just for
the person who's starting theirfitness journey or getting more

(35:04):
involved in understanding theirown wellness.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yep, so you totally hit it on the head with it
depends, but I one time I heardthis, and obviously this is a
little bit more tailored towardsthe bodybuilder world, but it's
like this quote that says youknow, people always say it's 80%
nutrition and 20% exercise, butthat's not true.
If you want to see progress,it's a hundred percent nutrition
and a hundred percent exerciseor fitness and what you're doing

(35:28):
, and that's always stuck truewith me.
Now, I'm not saying everybodyhas to be intense and hardcore
and like everything perfect, butin order to see progress or to
maximize the results that you'regetting, it's really I view it
as like this trifecta, thistriangle of three components
nutrition, so quality of whatyou're eating, quantity of what

(35:51):
you're eating, depending on theperson.
Maybe it's specifics in termsof timing of what you're eating.
That's one component of it.
The strength training isanother huge component.
Most people who are coming toget a DEXA understand the value
of strength training.
They may not be implementing ityet, but consistently getting
the strength training.
And then the third piece that Ilike to include is lifestyle,

(36:15):
and I think this is the mostoverlooked piece, because we
hear so often about like, okay,well, I'm doing my nutrition.
Okay, well, I'm doing myworkouts.
The lifestyle is much morecomprehensive For me.
I view the lifestyle piece asdaily activity outside of your
workout.
So not the you know 30, 60minutes you spend in the gym.
But how active are you outsideof that?

(36:36):
Are you doing your hour longspin class in the morning and
then sitting at a computer allday and then sitting at a couch
all night?
Or are you somebody that'sgetting up, that's moving around
, that's active throughout theday?
Rest and recovery we see thiswith a lot of people, like I had
said earlier, those like type A, really intense people that are
maybe over-exercising oroverworking.

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Are you giving your body therest and the recovery that it
needs, not just in sleep atnight and getting quality sleep,
but also taking breaks fromyour workout?
And then the third component ofthat is stress, and that's, for
a lot of people, one of thehardest things to manage,
because stress plays a huge rolein body composition.

(37:16):
You could be hitting yournutrition spot on and you could
be hitting your exercise spot on, but we often see, especially
in that Android, that bellyregion, that visceral region, we
can see that number go up, evenif people on paper are doing
what they're supposed to do withtheir nutrition and with their
exercise.
So that to me is having thetrifecta of the nutrition, the

(37:38):
strength training, fitness sideand that lifestyle component.
If all three of those pieces ofthe triangle are working
together, we we've got it down.
But if any of those are missing, it's going to be a lot harder
to get to that goal.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, great answer.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Excellent yes.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, and with regard to in that Android area and in,
I guess slowing or lack ofprogress based on stress is that
that's hormonally based right,cortisol level spike.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
And the interesting thing I know you had kind of
mentioned this in one of yourprevious episodes that I was
listening to yeah, what we startto see with the DEXA is it
provides data that you may notknow until it's too late, right?
So you might be a 60-year-oldmale who's been a lawyer of this
, like you know, my typicalclient but like a lawyer who's

(38:29):
been sitting at their desk for40 years, super engrossed in
what you're doing, verysuccessful at what you're doing,
but not paying attention toyour overall health, your
overall well-being, nutrition,fitness, any of those three
pieces of the triangle that Iwas talking about until it
becomes a problem on the otherside.
And then it's like, oh, wow,now I need to undo this 40 years

(38:52):
of damage.
If you're right out of lawschool and you're doing a DEXA
in your mid-20s and you're doingone again in your late 20s and
your early 30s and you start tosee these numbers trending in a
direction we don't want them togo, you're at an advantage
because now you can see thoseAndroid numbers starting to
creep up.
Okay, now I've got to make anintervention now, because this

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is only going on this upwardtrajectory.
How do I start to prioritizethis type of stuff now, and now
I have data to work with it, soI can say, okay, I am going to,
instead of drive to work, I'mgoing to ride my bike to work,
or whatever that might look like.
How does making one smallchange start to impact you in

(39:36):
the long run, before it's toolate?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, that's great.
That's a great segue into thequestion of, beyond tracking
weight gain or muscle gain, theother data that shows how it
impacts our overall health.
So bone density is one of thosethings that I know we can touch
on because it's important andcan indicate many things for
both men and women.
But what are other things thatyou can track with regard to

(40:02):
potential red flags in yourhealth with the DEXA scan?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yep.
So what I like going back to itdepends, but it's a little bit
different.
But some of the key points thatI like to look at for overall
health for people is what theirtotal lean mass is.
There's this number that againin Outlive that book by Peter

(40:26):
Attia that he's really likereferences is a number called
your ALMI, your appendicularlean mass index.
So that's basically how muchmuscle you have in your arms and
your legs and how thatcorrelates to overall longevity.
The DEXA doesn't give you yourALMI number but it can be
calculated based off of numbersfrom the DEXA.

(40:47):
But similarly to that, I liketo look at overall total lean
mass and see that go up.
So as I'm going over thesereports with people, I write
like a big up arrow next to thetotal lean mass.
So again, kimmy, I think yousaid yours was like probably
around 103 ish, cause you had110, 105.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yep and then yours.
I'm guessing Greg is like 151,152.
Right on the number 151.9.
You've done this before, yeah,so those numbers I always like
to point to and like, put anarrow of like we want to see
this go up, or, if it's someonewho has a decent amount of lean
mass, stay the same or go up.

(41:30):
That's a big one.
The Android fat mass.
So when you look on that secondpage and we of on the left-hand
side, you see like arms, rightarm, left arm, arms, difference
legs, blah, blah, blah.
As you go to the bottom youshould see where it says Android
, and then you should take thatover to I believe it's the
second to last column or thirdto last column where it says fat

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pounds in the Android and thatnumber is what we want to see go
down.
So I'll like literally circlethat Android fat pounds number
and that go down, and then,especially for women, then I go
to the last page and I look atbone density and, depending on
where they're at in the spectrumand we can kind of talk about

(42:13):
this a little bit more but is,how do we start to make these
daily habits and interventionsto start to improve bone density
?
So those are the three thingswhat's your lean mass, what's
the fat mass in your belly andwhat's your bone density, and
those are the numbers that Ireally like to focus on and try
to see improvements over time.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
And tracking those for progress with regard to
overall wellness, longevity, isbecause they indicate your I'm
not sure what the correlation isor if you do if there is a
direct correlation but to your,your likelihood of some type of
cardiovascular disease,metabolic disease, cancer, like

(42:54):
all of the things that you wantto stay away from.
And so that's why they trackthose things very specifically
and that's why, aside from theaesthetic, like we were talking
about at the beginning, andaside from just you know what it
measures from a data standpoint, why it's important in the real
world, not just thepsychological, like all of it,
it all plays into that majorunderstanding of your body so

(43:17):
that it's not too late.
If you start early and you doit regularly, you don't catch
yourself later in life going,well, shit.
Well, now what?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, and there are certain indicators that we can
see.
When we have young people thatare scanning where we're like.
Okay, this might not besomething that I look at that's
a red flag now but based off ofyour age and based off of where
you're at, we want to see thesenumbers trend in a direction, in
a positive direction, and ifthey're not, then it's okay.

(43:46):
What's maybe a deeperintervention and maybe it is
going to your MD and gettingcertain things tested.
It's also personal for theindividual.
For me, my bone density is fine, right, nobody would look at me
and think it's a problem, butmy mom now has osteopenia but
was in osteoporosis and she'smade improvements to get to

(44:07):
osteopenia.
My grandmother has osteoporosisand so for me, my genetics are
leading me down that path.
So if I can have this dataearly on and start to see how
things are impacting andchanging, I can make
interventions.
I have a three-year-old and an18-month-old and I've done DEXAs

(44:27):
leading up to having kids.
I've done them because I like torun experiments on myself one
week postpartum and likeregularly postpartum, to see
those changes.
But the biggest thing that Inoticed, from pre-kid DEXAs to
postpartum baby number one tolike just before getting

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pregnant with the number two topostpartum.
With the number two is thesedecreases in my bone density
because of the hormonal changesand even my thought was okay,
well, like once I'm done nursing, my hormones balance out a
little bit more, it'll go backup.
It hasn't for me.
So now I'm adding more highimpact stuff.
I don't run, I'm not a jumperor anything, but I've started to

(45:10):
add that to my training becausemaintaining good bone density
is important, because I knowwhat my genetics are and I know
my trajectory if I don't makethis intervention now and I know
my numbers have started to godown postpartum.
So like, if I want to wait tillI'm 60, it's probably going to
be a big problem, but I can doit now in my late 30s.

(45:31):
So hopefully I don't get tothat point.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, and that's exactly why we did these scans
in the first place, along withthe blood work that we do now on
a on an annual basis and likelyto increase that to take a
proactive approach to trying tounderstand that.
And so it's beyond just knowingwhat you weigh or what your BMI
is, or if you're healthy or not.
It's about being able to see,potentially, things down the
road that could be of issue foryou in a proactive way, instead

(45:58):
of sit back and wait until ithappens.
Go to the doctor.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
They tell you what's wrong with you.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
here's some medicine to fix and now what you know.
So, and the fact that it'savailable and the fact that it
is, comparatively speaking, in alot of cases, extremely
economical to do this even ifit's just once a year to begin
this type of tracking is nottalked about nearly enough or
widely enough.
So, again, thank you for beinghere, because I know that this

(46:25):
adds value to people's lives whodon't even know that this type
of thing is available.
So all of the details thatwe're talking about are are
incredible and I love it, and Icould talk to you all day and
just let you talk, because tellme all the things, but to
someone who just wants tounderstand what it is or just
learn that it's even available,the high level is so important

(46:46):
and so valuable that God,somebody scream it from the
mountaintop because this shouldbe a normal part from the jump.
This should be what's woventhroughout how we understand
what's healthy for us and what'snot, versus the other things
that we've been taught ourentire life.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Absolutely, and I think what's neat, kind of what
I had said earlier is our clienthas kind of changed over the
years, but the consumer and theclient are becoming more
educated.
I think there's easier access toquality information as well as
poor information.
But things like social media,things like podcasts, things
like audio books, all this stuffit becomes a lot more readily

(47:25):
available to consume informationand I think that for me, that's
very rewarding because youstart to see, okay, people are
now aware, there are more peoplewho are more aware of needing
to take charge of their health,but it still is so underutilized
and you know, it's not part ofthe norm process of, okay, I go

(47:47):
to a doctor and they tell me Ineed to get a DEXA scan to
understand my body composition.
That doesn't happen at all.
There are a few doctors that wework with and I think even like
, the medical community isshifting, which is really neat
to see.
So there are some that do thatand don't let me discredit those
ones, because there are somegreat ones out there but it's
not common practice and I'm likelooking forward to the day

(48:10):
where this becomes commonpractice.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, absolutely, and to your point, with access to
information.
You know you're probably notquite there yet, but I'm in my
early forties, so I am now moreinterested in the conversation
around my hormones andperimenopausal information and
menopause, which forever hasbeen something that's just you
don't really talk about it, it'sjust through it and nobody

(48:34):
really knows what it is.
It's a top flashes and a changein attitude, you know, and it's
like well, hang on, it's so muchmore than that.
And then that starts to likespark curiosity and me in
particular, around like, wellgosh, if I knew more information
about that type of thing and myhormones when I was younger,
how much different would mytwenties have been, when I
wasn't necessarily focused onperimenopause but I was having a

(48:56):
conversation about how thisimpacts me beyond birth control.
So, like, all of these thingsare becoming something that's
more at the forefront of peoplewanting to know this information
about their own bodies, wherebefore you you didn't have
access to it.
So this, I hope, will continueto be the trend.
Yes, if people, more people,knew that this was available to
them in a way that was a wealthof knowledge and an easy way to

(49:20):
do it and an economical way todo it.
I feel like it would besomething that there would be
way more locations and way morea lot of growth.
But you're seeing that, you'reyou have three locations,
definitely trending positively.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
So we have three locations right now.
Arlington, virginia, so justoutside of DC, is our original
location.
We opened that in 2018.
We opened our Tampa, florida,location inside MI40 gym in 2021
.
And then we opened our ChapelHill, north Carolina, location
in October of 2022.

(49:54):
So those are our three currentlocations.
We are this hasn't likeofficially been announced, but
it's in the process of beingannounced opening our fourth
location in Royal Oak, michigan,inside Black Mamba Barbell, so
a suburb of Detroit.
We have kind of our soft launchgoing on right now, but
everything should be up andrunning by the end of April 2025

(50:17):
, probably early May 2025.
So our goal is to continue toexpand and grow in markets that
want this information and it'snecessary which to me, is every
market.
For us, it's more kind of likefinding the right places to
partner with.
Our goal is to continue to keepeducating people, keep growing,

(50:40):
keep helping people understandwhat's going on with their
health in a preventative way, sothat they can have better
quality of life and live longer,healthier lives.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yes, awesome.
How often should someone have aDEXA scan?
Yeah, it depends.
It probably depends.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So I'll say this a little bit more a specific route
and then kind of the generalroute.
So the important thing that wewant to measure over time with
the DEXA is change.
So if you are doing somethingvery specific to make a change
to your nutrition, a change toyour workouts, a change to your
lifestyle, you'd want yourworkouts, a change to your

(51:20):
lifestyle.
You'd want to scan at thatpoint of change.
So let's say, you know, I'venever really worked out before,
but I decide I want to starttraining for a marathon.
I should do a DEXA at the startof training so I get an idea of
my baseline, of where that is.
Okay, now I spend the next sixmonths training for a marathon
and then at the end of thattraining do a DEX again.
So I can now have this causeand effect relationship of like,

(51:41):
okay, training for a marathon,this is what it does to my body
composition.
So we can get a real read ofthat cause and effect, of what's
happening.
If we aren't so specified withthat.
And you know, over the courseof a year we decided oh, it's
New Year's, I'm going to go hard, I'm going to lift five days a

(52:02):
week and I'm going to track allmy macros.
But then, you know, I got sickfor a week so I kind of fell off
.
But then I decided, okay, I'mgoing to start training for this
5k race and I did that.
But you know, I felt like Iwasn't paying attention to my
nutrition so I was hardcore.
There's so many variables thatgo in that we know point A, we
know point B, but if in betweenlooks like this, we can't really

(52:27):
start to draw that relationship.
So is that bad?
No, not necessarily, but itdoesn't give us as much
information as we may need toreally start to understand how
does your body respond todifferent changes that you may
use to implement.
So that's kind of the specificis when you're changing
something in your program.
But other than that, werecommend quarterly, so roughly

(52:48):
every three months, for justoverall general health.
The reason why we do this wasexactly the point I made earlier
.
If we wait too long, there'sprobably too many variables
coming into play, so it's harderto know exactly what caused
this outcome If we do it toomuch shorter.

(53:08):
You know we have a couple ofpeople who scan monthly, but for
the average person there's notgoing to be enough change that
occurs over the course of amonth to make it economical or
worthwhile.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And speaking of economical, do you mind sharing
what the pricing is, or just anaverage idea, so that people
have an idea of what this wouldcost them to proactively
approach?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, so it's $109 if you do a single DEXA scan with
us.
We also offer a two-pack for$189.
So it's a little less per DEXAand that has a three-month
window.
So the idea of if you'rescanning quarterly, you can do
one at the start and do onethree months later, that becomes
a little more cost effective.
We do take HSA and FSA.

(53:52):
So instead of spending all thatextra HSA money on Band-Aids on
Amazon or whatever you can buyon that Amazon cart with it, use
it on a DEXA scan.
Use it on something that'sreally truly going to be
beneficial for you.
But yes, we do 109, single 189if you do a two-pack.
We also offer a restingmetabolic rate test or an RMR

(54:14):
test.
This is really insightful forpeople who are tracking their
nutrition, whether they'retracking overall calories or
macros, to give you a solid readon what your metabolism is.
If you guys look on that secondpage of your DEXA, there is a
number that should say like BMRestimate or something like this.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, like it says RMR.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
It says RMR, yeah, yeah, that is a formula that's
used based off of being a maleor female, your age, your height
, your weight with your bodycomposition.
That may be accurate.
That may not be accurate.
If you're somebody who istrying to really hone in on your
nutrition and want to utilizenutrition as a tool to drive

(55:00):
progress and results with yourDEXA, we want to know what your
actual RMR is, not what acalculation tells you.
So we do that testing as well.
A single RMR test if you wereto just do that, is 109.
But again, if you were to, wecall it a combo appointment but
pair a DEXA skin with a restingmetabolic rate test appointment,

(55:22):
that's 189.
So if anyone is just startingout, wanting to get information
on their overall health, werecommend starting there, doing
the combo appointment of a DEXAand an RMR.
Now you've got this information, now you can take it.
You can start to implementchange.
Three months later, come backand do a DEXA.
Three months after that, comeback and do a DEXA, the RMR.

(55:43):
That won't change drasticallyin a short period of time.
So really there's no need to doan RMR any more frequent than a
year.
We usually say annually ifyou'd like, but for some people
might even be able to go longerif you're not making any kind of
huge body composition changes.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, I'm so glad that you brought that up,
because the RMR is not somethingthat we did when we did our
first DEXA scan.
But when we go back, Idefinitely want to do both of
them because we have all of youknow, we have aura rings, we
have our watches, we have allthese things that tell us what
our resting metabolic rate isand explaining that to our
daughter.
It's how many calories you burnwithout literally doing
anything.
It's just what your body isdoing to keep yourself alive,

(56:25):
and knowing that is important ifyou're trying to pay attention
and understand nutrition andpartner that with how many
calories you're burning, whichalso is not likely to be
accurate with our rings and ourtrackers, but just as a general
overall idea so that you knowagain, kind of blanket statement
and it depends and all of thethings.
But like calories in, caloriesout, just as a simple math

(56:48):
equation to have a grasp of whatthat looks like.
All calories are not createdequal.
We could probably talk aboutthat for three days.
So I you know, without gettinginto the nitty gritty of that,
but I I just I'm glad that youbrought that up as something
else that you offer, because Ithink that that's an important
part of this obviously as well.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Especially if you are trying to like be really
diligent about making progress.
Why wouldn't you want accurateinformation to go off of?
If you're going off ofinaccurate information, even if
you're putting in all thateffort and that work, you might
be like running into a brickwall.
We want something that's goingto be really specific and

(57:27):
accurate for the individual.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, that's great.
So I feel very fortunate thatwe live so close to Tampa where
we can just drive up there, havelunch and do the Texas game.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
you know, make it a little date, but what about
people that live?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
you know, outside of this, this area, do you have?

Speaker 2 (57:43):
many clients that fly into Tampa or fly into these
locations yeah great question.
We.
We've got quite a few peoplethat actually come in from out
of town at all of our locations.
You know, we've got some statesthat are close by right, like
our Arlington location.
People come from West Virginia,people come from Pennsylvania,
all over Maryland, virginia, butespecially in Tampa.

(58:04):
Maybe it's because people aretrying to like escape to warmer
weather and it's like a vacationdestination.
We have people who come fromEurope, people who come from
we're like I'm in town.
This type of testing issignificantly more expensive
wherever I live, so I'm here,I'd like to do it.
We have a lot of bodybuilderswho come in, especially at MI40

(58:26):
is a big bodybuilding gym thatare coming into town to train
there, who utilize the Dexa.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
That's a great question and to your point I
mean.
A lot of people fly into Tampato vacation all over the state
of Florida.
So if you're listening and youcome to Florida to vacation, you
don't have an excuse.
You can fly into Tampa and youcan hit your DEXA scan before
you go, enjoy yourself and worryabout it and then go on your
way and it's you know what.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
So one of my college roommates.
She lives outside of DC, um, soprobably like an hour from our
Arlington Virginia location, butshe was talking to me that her
and some of the other like hermom friends in her neighborhood
wanted to do a wellness daywhere they go to DC, where they,
you know, go to a gym and do aworkout, they come to body mass,
they do a Dexa skin, they goand they get like a healthy

(59:12):
lunch and they like do a walkingtour around the city.
And I was like what a coolconcept to do kind of like this
one day wellness retreat foryourself, like I just I just
thought that that was really,really neat.
So you know, you can totallymake any excuse or any reason to
do that, like by yourself, witha significant other, with your

(59:32):
friends.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Absolutely.
When you make it a priority.
That's kind of like the reverseof a bachelorette party.
It's kind of like, you know,like let's, let's do something
that's advantageous.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
My husband and I, on our wedding morning or the day
before our wedding, we hadeveryone come to our gym and we
did a group training session forthem.
So I'm sure I'm going to lovebeing guests.
That's awesome, thanks for theinvite I'm going to work out
beforehand.
That's amazing Time for burpees.
I love you guys.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
That's amazing.
Well, thank you so very muchfor all of the knowledge that
you have just dropped oneveryone, and I encourage all of
our listeners to send in a textor an email with any further
questions, because I would loveto have you back and I'm sure
that there will be some that popup that we didn't cover, that
maybe I didn't think of, or thatyou didn't think of, that are
even more in depth.

(01:00:18):
So we really appreciate youspending the time with us and
going over this information.
Can you tell everyone where tofind more about you and body
mass competition, competitioncomposition, so that they can do
a little more research on theirown?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yep absolutely so.
The easiest place to go is ourwebsite.
It's just body mass Yep,absolutely so.
The easiest place to go is ourwebsite.
It's justbodymasscompositiontestingcom.
When you go there, you'll beable to select our locations,
learn a little bit more aboutthe services we offer, book your
appointments.
Everything's reallystraightforward on there.
We have a chat box on thewebsite, so if any questions
come up that you want answered,you can just ask the chat box

(01:00:55):
and it's a live person on theother end answering those for
you.
So I'll be.
I'll be the one answering thisfor you.
Um, so our website's theeasiest place to go to get
booked.
If you want a little moreinformation about um, body mass
as a whole, we're not so socialmedia savvy, but if you go to
body mass composition testingsInstagram page, we post a decent

(01:01:16):
amount there, but a lot ofpeople will collaborate on
different reels and posts whereyou can see the process of going
through a DEXA scan.
So that's really helpful to beable to kind of understand a
little bit more about what theprocess looks like and the
information you get.
And then my personal Instagramis Virginia V Kinkle and I share

(01:01:39):
a lot about my own personalfitness journey on there, not
just from competing, but rightnow I'm focused more on doing
blood work to your point andkind of getting for me, getting
my cholesterol numbers a littlebit more in check.
I post a lot about doing DEXAsat various points and
understanding what's happeningwith my body composition or my
bone density or my fat mass andwhy.

(01:02:01):
So I like to post kind of allthings health, fitness, wellness
on there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Awesome.
I will link all three of thosein the show notes so that it's
easy access for everyone, andI'm so glad that we connected.
I'm so grateful for you and forthe fact that you're right down
the street, like Greg said, andI hope we stay in touch.
This has been wonderful,absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
No, I'm so thankful for you guys and for just having
a platform to be able to sharethis knowledge and try to get it
out to the world more.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah right, thank you .
That's the goal.
That's the goal.
So thank you so much forjoining us on the Cameo Show.
We have new episodes everyWednesday where we talk about
health and wellness, but we talkabout all of the things that
we're going through in life, thethings that make us normal, the
things that maybe we're afraidto seek out on our own, the
things that help each other grow.
So we hope you'll join us again.

(01:02:50):
Thank you so much, until nexttime.

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