March 7, 2024 • 27 mins
Unlock the secrets of your mind with Dr. Paul Nussbaum, clinical psychologist and brain health aficionado, who brings his expertise front and center to educate us on nurturing our cognitive functions. Whether you're in a high-stakes profession or simply aiming for personal excellence, Dr. Nussbaum's insights on focus, decision-making, and problem-solving reveal how a deeper understanding of your brain can propel you to new heights. Get ready to be empowered as we tackle the challenges of reshaping our brains for resilience and success in every walk of life.
This conversation takes an unflinching look at anxiety, its intensification through the COVID-19 pandemic, and the consequent shifts in our social behaviors. We probe the essential nature of human connections and the surprising neurobiological perks of sunshine—factors that play pivotal roles in our mental well-being. Dr. Nussbaum arms us with brain health strategies and practical tips for aiding those grappling with social anxiety, underscoring the transformative potential of lifestyle choices on our emotional and cognitive landscapes. Tune in for a masterclass on leveraging the marvels of the human brain to navigate the complexities of life with vigor and optimism.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good afternoon folks.
Hello and welcome back to theLittle Mill unfiltered podcast.
I'm your host, charlie Shaw,and we were back today with
another special guest and aninteresting topic for you all.
I hope that this will beinspiring and motivational to
you, each and every one of you.
Today's guest is Dr Paul Nussan.
(00:22):
He's a board certified inclinical psychology and
geropsychology and also thefounder of Brain Health Center.
Welcome, dr Paul Nussan.
How was your day, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hey Charlie, I'm doing well.
I hope you are as well.
Thanks a lot for having me onyour podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Thank you for coming All right.
So, paul, I mean, I'm sorry, drNussan tell me a little bit
about your own your practice andwhat your concentration is on
which is your practice?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Sure, yeah.
So, like a million years ago,charlie, I came out as a pretty
traditional clinicalneuropsychologist it's called
that's a fancy word for a personwho studies human brain,
relates it to behavior.
And you know I won a lot ofyears in school and worked hard
to learn how to be a cliniciantaking care of people with brain
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disorders, traumatic braininjuries, alzheimer's disease,
these kinds of things.
I was doing a lot of researchand writing and speaking and the
academic ivory towers, and Icontinue to do some of that.
But it's interesting, about 15years ago I had a nudge probably
more spiritual than anythingelse, charlie which was to do
what I really wanted to do,which was to talk to people
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about health, because prior tothat I was pretty entrenched in
disease, which our healthcaresystem tends to be, tends to
train providers with disease.
So I broke away and sort of madeit my life call to teach the
general public you know, notnecessarily other PhDs or MDs
(02:04):
the general public, moms anddads across the dinner table
about the miracle that sitsbetween their ears the human
brain, the single greatestsystem ever designed in the
history of the surroundinguniverse.
And what we've learned over thepast 20 years is that the human
brain can be shaped.
In other words, it's dynamic.
It's not this rigid thing, it'sdynamic, and it can be shaped,
and shaped for health, andthere's a lot of research on
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that.
It's exciting time to be inneuroscience, and so that's what
I do, because I think it's soimportant for everyone to know
this part of their being right.
I mean, we probably know moreabout our elbows than we do
about our own brains, which istoo bad.
But you know, I've had theopportunity, from that Charlie
to speak to gosh gosh all kindsof different audiences, from
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kids in schools to, you know,ceos, to professional athletes,
to high school athletes, toteachers, you know insurance
salesmen, whatever it is, itdoesn't matter because they all
have brains that can benefitfrom this kind of content.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, okay.
Does that include a military?
Because that's my backgroundmilitary and law enforcement.
Have you had any of those asyour clients or folks that you
try to educate on now?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, no, I have, and and I'm also, I know, your,
your back when it's also alittle bit in law enforcement.
I've also had had that as welland and you know, when you think
about it, first of all from aclinical perspective, the
military, you know we, thegeneral public, knows a little
bit about this, but the militarycertainly does in terms of
traumatic brain injury, right,or post traumatic stress
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disorder right, but also justthe amount of you know think of
it another way From the militarywork or police work, the amount
of focus and attention and theability to make good decisions
and problems solve rapidly andwork with individuals who are
not, you know, always of theirright mind, right, you know,
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that's a high level brain Powerand so, you know, working with
those folks.
And the military is really,really advanced on this.
They've got research going onthat helps one brain communicate
to another brain even withoutopening the mouth.
There's also Telepathic thinggoing on in the military,
because they have to, becausethey have to be quiet and it's
it's survival.
So there's some really coolresearch going on on that end.
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But it really carries the, youknow, human potential and the
ability to be the best that wecan be whether it's in the
classroom or the boardroom or inthe playing field.
You know it's, it's, it's themaster's golf tournament, right,
everybody does.
Okay, up till Sunday afternoon.
You notice that suddenly thegreatest players in the world
start missing three-foot puttsand that's, that's all mental
(04:45):
what's going on between theirears and and so to me that's
just fascinating and that'sthat's sort of the arena where
I've been and it's, like I say,gets me into all kinds of nooks
and crannies that I neverdreamed I would be part of, in
companies I've never dreamed I'dhave the, you know, the
opportunity to work with,because people need to, you know
, are always interested inhealth and wellness and always
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interested in how does mycompany do better?
How does my child do better?
How do I do better?
How do I become a better person?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So basically, you're helping a person learn how to
focus and basically using the,the tool, then in between their
ears and yeah, yeah, I thinkit's.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think it's helping people.
You know, take a pause and sayyou know who am I, you know what
are my strengths and weaknesses.
Why do I have these weaknesses?
What are the things, forexample, that you know?
What are my speed bumps in life?
What are my?
What are my potholes?
What's stopping me from beingthe best that I can be?
Why do I get bees rather thaneggs?
Right, you know, why am I ableto compete to the semi-final but
I can't win the final?
Why?
Why am I a good leader and nota good leader?
(05:44):
You know these kinds of thingsare.
You know how do we help our kidsin schools Learn?
Well, I get in front of a lotof teachers because they are
Probably you talk about afrontline group that's working
with the brain.
Those are the teachers, andbecause they're teaching and
learning.
You know, just saying the wordlearning, that's, that's a
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product of the brain, and sothere's a lot of things there
that you know people can benefitfrom learning about how the
brain works and what, what theycan do To help improve what it
is they're trying to build ortrying to grow right you know
it's interesting that you saidthat prior to A starting to show
, I told you about how long I'vebeen doing the podcast, which
is a little over a month, andI'm okay up until the point
(06:28):
where I hit record.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And then I start getting a little nervous and
this is something I'm sharingwith with all my guests because
I want them to know that we'reall not perfect and you
basically told me a calm down.
You told me you know whatyou're doing and I know what I'm
doing.
But that's kind of the trainingthat you, that you, that you
study, is the human behavior orthe thought process of right up
until the point that it's timeto perform.
(06:51):
You practice you, and now it'stime to perform.
And why?
Why am I getting these glitchesin my actions?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that's right, and you know, sometimes anxiety
is, you know, first of all meansyou care, right, but then, you
know, trying to help peopleunderstand what's the role of
the anxiety, what do you?
What do you?
What's your biggest fear?
And then how are we going toget through this?
You know, and and then, likeyou said, you know you haven't
been at this a long time butyou've had some success you were
(07:19):
sharing with me and, and thoseare baby steps on your journey
towards bigger, you know, stepstowards success and Um, you know
, and you're going to get moreand more comfortable.
And that's really a good exampleof Shaping your brain, because
at first, something that we'renot used to, we're, we're
uncomfortable with it, feelsawkward.
You know, quite frankly, I'mnot very good at whatever it is.
I haven't done yet, but youknow, as I do it a little bit,
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suddenly I start to feel alittle more comfortable and
that's a lay person's way ofsaying.
For me, the brain is actuallylaying down brain cells and
neural connections To help youfeel more comfortable.
Right, you're kind of, you'rekind of building a new pathway
in your brain that helps you dowhatever that exercise is that
used to be foreign to you now.
(08:03):
It's not so far any morecomfortable with it.
That's, that's growth, that'sdevelopment right.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, um haven't worked in law enforcement and
been been around Weapon systemsthrough military and law
enforcement.
One of the things that wealways do is practice, practice,
practice, practice and morepractice, the repetition of it.
And you do see some peoplehesitate when they're in high
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stress situations, and what'syour thought on why they do that
?
Is it, like you said, theanxiety of being faced with that
situation and maybe wonderingif they're going to fail or
perform as they were trained?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, you know, for whatever the circumstance may be
, you know our anxiety, ourstress level, our fear can
impede our ability to learn, ourability to perform.
But, like you said, one of theways to overcome that is to gain
further exposure and to repeat,and to repeat and to repeat, so
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that whatever it is that theperson may have as a real fear
or perceived fear, is mitigated.
It's kind of a rift, and that's, you know, that's the important
thing.
A lot of times.
What happens, though, charlie,is when someone is confronted
with a fear or an anxiety,they'll withdraw, they'll go
away from that situation, butthey'll avoid it.
That's the worst thing you cando.
(09:35):
Fight or flight.
Yeah, in order to get over that, you have to.
Whatever it is that's causingyou the fear, you have to kind
of confront it and learn that.
You know, hey, there may be abetter way to think about this,
a better coping mechanism.
Maybe my thoughts then mylife's in jeopardy with this
aren't true.
Maybe my thoughts that I can'tdo this, I'm not good enough,
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aren't true.
And the only way we're going tofind that out is if you stay in
that situation, you kind ofkeep working at it and work
through it.
Work through it.
Yes, the person who's standingin front of the roller coaster,
looking up at the roller coasterin line, saying I can't do this
, I can't do this.
And then they get on the rollercoaster and nine times out of
ten, charlie, they get off theroller coaster and they say what
(10:17):
?
I want to do it again, you wantto do it again.
That's a metaphor for life.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I just did that at Busch Gardens.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
There was a roller coaster.
Hey, I wanted to do it again,but the line was too long.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
There you go, you know, speaking of anxiety, let's
talk about that.
A couple of years ago, we'vehad the COVID situation go yeah,
Coming to our lives.
I knew people that were veryoutgoing, extroverted, and you
catch up with them two yearslater and now they're introvert,
(10:52):
they don't want to do anythingsocial.
How do you?
What's your thought?
What's your thought on that?
How people just changed overover a period of time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well, yeah, covid, really, really was a very
difficult time and situation andexperience for so many
different reasons.
You know, we isolated, wesegregated, we stayed away from
each other.
We didn't touch each other, wedidn't talk to each other, we
ate poorly, you know.
We stayed away from religiousbeliefs and things.
We we're afraid and scared todeath.
(11:25):
We've been bombarded by socialmedia.
It was just like if we wantedto create a situation where we
scared the living.
You know what out of public wedid it Damn good job.
That's not yeah, that's not tosay that we didn't.
You know, you got to takecertain sort of precautions and
try to become educated.
We weren't that educated.
We did a lot of stupid things,to be honest, yes, but but you
know, you're right, there were,there were a lot of consequences
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, particularly for the youngerfolks.
You know they, they, they'renot going to catch up with the
learning that they lost.
There's still a lot of mentalhealth issues out there and
suicidality with the youngergeneration.
That because of this COVIDthing.
So it's one of the hazards thatwe have with social media, to be
honest with you, with watchinga lot of cable news networks.
To be honest with you, yes, andyou know, I mean, I'm not, I'm
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not, I'm not a politician at all.
No, there's a lot.
Politics seems to painteverything and it's usually not
a good way.
So one of the things I try toencourage people is you know
your listeners, charlie, and thegeneral public, we're smart,
we're not dumb people, exactly,and we can.
We know right from wrong and weknow what's best for us.
But we got to become educatedand but at the end of the day,
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you know, when we're confrontedwith things where, whatever it
is, people are trying to get usto be the person that we're not
or to get us to do things thatare not healthy.
You know, we know better and weshould never be in a situation
where we're being bombarded by alot of messages and things that
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are, like you said, are verystressful and cause anxiety.
You know, you think about ifyou had a like I had an older
mother at the time and I'm not,you know, anything unique here.
There's a lot of people thatwent through this.
We weren't able to visit ourparents, you know, and in
long-term care facilities, ifyou will, and if anybody needs,
you know, a visitation in theirhandheld, it's the older, frail,
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adult, older adult, and youknow, that's just one little
example that was so detrimentalto that segment of the
population.
So, you know, covid definitelyhad a Huge, huge spike in
anxiety, huge spike in mentalillness, and we still have not,
or where we forth, four yearslater, five years later now,
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still have not even come togrips with the mental health
issues that have been caused bythat.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, we're still talking about it.
Um, you know, absolutely stillfeeling it, yes, still feeling
the Residue of it all.
Um, what I've learned throughthat COVID, um, from just
dealing with I was actuallyworking at the time and I was
covering a large territory inFlorida and just amazing how no
one wanted to See anybody.
(14:07):
You know, I know that they wereprotecting themselves from,
from the home done on diseases,but as things started getting
lifted, um, you have folks tojust them Didn't want to
interact and I think that onething, one thing I thought and
one thing that I was thinking,was that people missed that
touch of another person.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, just a handshake.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Um yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You know, look at looking into each other's eyes,
right?
Right, you know there's aneurobiological the connection
we're getting like.
Yeah, like you're, you're inthe southern part of the country
, as I am, and you know we, wehave more exposure to sunlight,
right?
Well, you know, If you, if youdon't have that exposure to
sunlight, you literally yourhormones get all out of whack,
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your sleep cycle gets way out ofwhack, your depression and mood
can change.
Um, and that you know we weretold to stay inside a lot with
COVID, so I mean, just justthose simple things Caused a lot
of changes in our mood.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, you know, whenever I had, whenever I came
in contact with anyone that was,you know, moody or not, in a,
you know, had a good move, thatis, I will tell me you might
need a little sun, a littlesunshine on your forehead.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you know, um, yeah,
you're right in a lot, a lot ofdifferent ways.
No doubt, right, a seasonaleffective disorder is a real
Tense to occur in the northernparts of our country.
But it's a, it's a serious.
Yeah, I had to do a talk onceonline for a group up in, uh,
north Dakota.
You know I'm down in theFlorida area and they're you
know the, the numbers that theyhave with seasonal effective
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disorder.
Just, you know, really highCharlie, we don't have that down
where you get a lot of blue skyand a lot of sunlight.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, yeah you, you have um Like out there in
seattle it's always raining.
It's pretty mean.
You know we can understand whythat's right.
People really don't want, youknow the mood is changing.
All the time I mean down herein Florida we have our problems,
but it's nothing like what whatthe other part of the country's
having.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
But that's another good example of how the
environment can shape your brain.
You know, like we talked aboutthe beginning of this podcast,
that there's things going on outthere, decisions we can make at
times.
You know, should I get outsideor not get outside, for example
on a nice day?
You know well, if you getoutside it's probably going to
be health promoting for you.
You know, like a good walk isgoing to be health promoting for
you around the city on thecouch you just little decisions
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every day that can reallypromote the health of your brain
.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, you know, I have a couple of friends that's
like that.
I talk myself blue in the face.
You know about you need tosocialize a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I'm not telling you go out there and meet everybody,
but you need to get out andsocialize.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
What recommendations would you give somebody like me,
who you know have a friend or aloved one that you, you see
that they're struggling with,with social anxieties or just
anxieties period?
What would you, what would yousay to that person?
Or give a recommendation?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
to a person.
Yeah, yeah, one of the thingsyou want to do is just let them
know that they're empowered tohave the ability to kind of
shape their brain, because a lotof people don't talk about that
.
They would just go right into,you know, recommendations.
But the reason therecommendations are important,
because what they do with therecommendations is actually
change the functioning structureof the brain, their emotions.
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They're experiencing.
So being with other human beingsis kind of an anti-depressant,
okay.
So you know isolation is goingto cause increased cognitive
problems and increased mooddisorder.
You know, same thing withphysical exercise it's an
anti-depressant.
I mean, it's not just good foryour cardiovascular health, it's
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really good for your brainhealth.
But emotional perspective andfrom a cognitive perspective,
right, you know we talk abouteating less processed foods and
in America we're all addicted tosugar, yes, you know.
So, if we can.
Just, we're not going to changethis overnight, but just a
couple of days of the week whereyou change more to eating what
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are called plant-based foods.
You know, less processed foods,more fish, you know more
healthy foods the better offwe're going to be.
I'm a big believer in prayer andI'm a big believer in
meditation or breathing evenbreathing or being one with
nature.
And the reason for that isbecause what you and I talked
about earlier with anxiety,those are the, those are the
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counter-stress anxiety when we,when we settle down and we slow
down, you know, we turn the TVoff, we just have some time to
ourselves.
That also, I would say, sleepfits into that, because sleep is
so very important.
And then, finally, you know,part of my brain health
lifestyle that I advocate for isyou know being mentally
stimulated.
You've already talked about thepodcast with something new for
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you.
That's a really good example ofwhat I call novel and complex.
It's new and difficult becauseyou haven't done it before, and
so for everybody out therethere's everybody's going to
have one or two things that theycan say.
You know, I've always thoughtabout maybe trying that, I've
always wanted to, but I have it.
You know, here's your podcast,giving them a little nudge,
saying hey, go for it.
You know, it's okay, it'sactually good.
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If you make mistakes and youdon't do real well at first,
that's a good sign becauseyou're going to get better.
That's a sign that your brainis being shaped for health when
you, when you continue to get alittle bit better at something
that was foreign to you.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right, I try to use myself as an example, um,
because I'm not perfect and alland one of the things I've
always told people is uh, if Ican do it, you can do it also,
because they're you know, Ireally have to push myself
sometimes.
I pushed myself through mycareer, I pushed myself at the
retirement.
Just after I just retired, inSeptember, um, I told myself hey
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, listen, you know what you gotto break away from norm.
I broke away for a month andtraveled, and you mentioned
earlier that getting out,getting out in nature, helps.
I liked to, I liked to hike alittle bit.
Um, people that know me, theykind of like you're hiking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I was like, yeah, I like, I like to get out and just
be disconnected fromelectronics, something as simple
as that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
you know cause we've rushed to answer our phone, for
you know for what reason, Idon't know, but um, it just
seems like we're all greatexample, right, we're always in
a rush, but we're not takingcare of our own mental and
physical health.
So you know what?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's right.
Travel actually has been shownto be good for the brand because
it's new and difficult.
So, um, now you're spot on, andnature has been shown to be
very, very good good for thebody and the brain.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, it all depends on what highway you're on.
But I think the back rowshelped me better than uh I for
here in Florida.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, so before we end, could you give us some
practice tips, um, like with themeditation?
Uh, because some people justthink that meditation is going
out sitting on a rug and, andyou know, I've learned that
meditation is just sitting,sitting still for a moment going
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over your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, it's really.
It's really harness.
It's really harnessing yourmental focus inward, right it's,
it's, it's.
We're very distractible speciesand, like you said, part of
it's because we have phones andall these gadgets around.
But we also internally, youknow, sometimes it's called them
monkey brain, literally,because we were in our thoughts
of jumping all over the placeand we have to work at, you know
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, harnessing our attentioninward and just working at being
still and as those distractionscome up and they will, it'll be
frustrating at first but you'llget better at it.
You know, research tells us inabout about 12 minutes a day For
eight weeks.
Now, that doesn't sound likemuch, but that's hard to do,
right, 12 minutes a day.
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You pick a time period.
You know, maybe it's morningfor you if you can put the alarm
on 12 minutes and you just sitand you begin to work on turning
inward, being quiet, turningall the you know the gadgets off
, mmm, breathing slowly inwardon a four count and exhaling on
an eight count.
You always want to exhale morethan you inhale because that'll
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settle your system down and thenjust see where that takes you
and then, at the end of 12minutes, see where you are, see
how you feel.
But you know the two is goingto be better than week one.
Week three is gonna be better.
Week two and what they havefound by by about eight weeks,
you're when they've done scansof the brain pre and post the
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brain changes structurally andAshley shows Brain growth in
areas that are very, veryimportant for sort of being
emotionally in balance.
Okay, and so that it's.
It's not.
It's a very physiological sortof intervention that you can do
yourself and I think a routinefor everybody can be very, very
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good because you know whateverit is for you, if you're, if you
can get up and have some thingsyou do to take care of yourself
Before you start your day, ifyou will, you know whether it be
the breathing, whether it be awalk, whether it be meditation,
whether it be prayer, sittingand listening to some soft music
, whatever it may be, you knowthat's that's before you start
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your day, that's that's kind oflike your, your launch.
It's taking care of yourselfand getting yourself in a
position to succeed that day.
Basically, fine, I'm on feedingit.
Yeah, just kind of getting itinto balance, and I think you
know people need to take alittle time to kind of think
about it and even write down.
You know what are yourstressors in life.
Put them on paper, because ifyou put them on paper it gets
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out of your head and you won'truminate about it.
You can actually see it on thepaper and you can actually
manage it then.
And then try to identifyeverybody's different, try to
identify what it is that helpsyou overcome those moments of
stress, anxiety and poorperformance, and then write
those down.
Well, first, now you got alittle toolbox that you're
building to kind of intervenefor yourself and use as a way of
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coping adaptably to get to abetter place for yourself,
because life's always gonnathrow us curveballs, always
gonna throw you.
It's always yeah, yeah.
But I think the more youraudience turns to themselves and
begins to work on themselvesand kind of be selfish in a way
not in a negative way, but in apositive way, being selfish the
more they're gonna learn aboutthemselves, the more they're
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gonna understand what it is thatthey have within themselves to
cope and overcome, even inmoments where they don't think
they can or they got themselves.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Do you recommend?
Do you recommend folks go seecounselors or somebody outside
of their network?
That's somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, sometimes, sure , sometimes that's.
There's nothing wrong with thatSometimes, you know, it's just
the same thing as going to see adoctor to make sure your blood
pressure is in line, maybechecking your blood pressure.
I've got a blood pressure kitnow so I take it just to kind of
keep track of.
You know, I wanted to learn ismy blood pressure different in
the morning than in the evening?
So I took it for, like you know, four weeks, morning and
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evening, and I learned a littlebit about myself and then I
shared that with my doctor.
You know it's the same thingwith the.
There are emotions in ourpsychology.
Sometimes just balancing someideas off, a trusted friend or a
spiritual leader or a counselor, that's a wonderful thing.
I mean, most people that havegone through counseling will say
you know, everybody should dothis and there's probably some
truth to that.
(25:16):
But part of that counselingbegins by a person starting to
turn inward with themselvesfirst, kind of be their own
counselor first, to kind of, youknow, try to learn about it.
We get so, like you said, weget so busy, we forget about
ourselves.
Yes, yes, and that's not a goodthing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, we're too busy trying to fix everything and
everybody else and then we don'trealize that we need our own
wheels rotated.
Yeah, that's right, yeah we alldo you have to do madness on
yourself.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Wow, okay, I really enjoyed your conversation today
and I appreciate you coming onthe show.
You do have YouTube channel.
You have a YouTube channel andyou also have a website where
you can be found and see some ofthe things that you're talking
about, or hear some of thethings that you're talking about
, correct?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I do so and folks can find all that and it's all free
.
It's a YouTube channel and it'sa Twitter feed, and my website
is a lot of free information.
It's wwwbrainhelthctrcom.
So brain healthCTRshortforcentercom.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Okay, excellent.
And if they want to email you,it's also on your website there.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, get a hold of me and contact me there and via
that, that's right.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I would enjoy having you back on the show if there's
any topics that you know comeacross that you want to share
with my audience.
I really appreciate it.
This is very valuable to me.
It made me, even though I waspracticing some of it.
It helped me refocus on a fewthings that I need to take care
of with myself and I hope thaton- Terrific.
Charlie, I hope that anyonelistening they can find that in
(27:04):
themselves as well, cause we'renot perfect.
We're just out here trying tosupport, like any other being.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, one day at a time, just try to get better.
Thank you so much for having meon your podcast and thanks for
your good work.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Thank you, folks.
That concludes our show today,and I'd like to thank Dr
Nussbaum again for coming on theshow Also.
Thank you for watching.
Good afternoon folks.
Hello and welcome back to theLittle Mill unfiltered podcast.
I'm your host, charlie Shaw,and we were back today with
another special guest and aninteresting topic for you all.
I hope that this will beinspiring and motivational to
you, each and every one of you.
Today's guest is Dr Paul Nussan.
(00:22):
He's a board certified inclinical psychology and
geropsychology and also thefounder of Brain Health Center.
Welcome, dr Paul Nussan.
How was your day, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hey Charlie, I'm doing well.
I hope you are as well.
Thanks a lot for having me onyour podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Thank you for coming All right.
So, paul, I mean, I'm sorry, drNussan tell me a little bit
about your own your practice andwhat your concentration is on
which is your practice?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Sure, yeah.
So, like a million years ago,charlie, I came out as a pretty
traditional clinicalneuropsychologist it's called
that's a fancy word for a personwho studies human brain,
relates it to behavior.
And you know I won a lot ofyears in school and worked hard
to learn how to be a cliniciantaking care of people with brain
(01:22):
disorders, traumatic braininjuries, alzheimer's disease,
these kinds of things.
I was doing a lot of researchand writing and speaking and the
academic ivory towers, and Icontinue to do some of that.
But it's interesting, about 15years ago I had a nudge probably
more spiritual than anythingelse, charlie which was to do
what I really wanted to do,which was to talk to people
(01:44):
about health, because prior tothat I was pretty entrenched in
disease, which our healthcaresystem tends to be, tends to
train providers with disease.
So I broke away and sort of madeit my life call to teach the
general public you know, notnecessarily other PhDs or MDs
(02:04):
the general public, moms anddads across the dinner table
about the miracle that sitsbetween their ears the human
brain, the single greatestsystem ever designed in the
history of the surroundinguniverse.
And what we've learned over thepast 20 years is that the human
brain can be shaped.
In other words, it's dynamic.
It's not this rigid thing, it'sdynamic, and it can be shaped,
and shaped for health, andthere's a lot of research on
(02:27):
that.
It's exciting time to be inneuroscience, and so that's what
I do, because I think it's soimportant for everyone to know
this part of their being right.
I mean, we probably know moreabout our elbows than we do
about our own brains, which istoo bad.
But you know, I've had theopportunity, from that Charlie
to speak to gosh gosh all kindsof different audiences, from
(02:50):
kids in schools to, you know,ceos, to professional athletes,
to high school athletes, toteachers, you know insurance
salesmen, whatever it is, itdoesn't matter because they all
have brains that can benefitfrom this kind of content.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, okay.
Does that include a military?
Because that's my backgroundmilitary and law enforcement.
Have you had any of those asyour clients or folks that you
try to educate on now?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, no, I have, and and I'm also, I know, your,
your back when it's also alittle bit in law enforcement.
I've also had had that as welland and you know, when you think
about it, first of all from aclinical perspective, the
military, you know we, thegeneral public, knows a little
bit about this, but the militarycertainly does in terms of
traumatic brain injury, right,or post traumatic stress
(03:39):
disorder right, but also justthe amount of you know think of
it another way From the militarywork or police work, the amount
of focus and attention and theability to make good decisions
and problems solve rapidly andwork with individuals who are
not, you know, always of theirright mind, right, you know,
(03:59):
that's a high level brain Powerand so, you know, working with
those folks.
And the military is really,really advanced on this.
They've got research going onthat helps one brain communicate
to another brain even withoutopening the mouth.
There's also Telepathic thinggoing on in the military,
because they have to, becausethey have to be quiet and it's
it's survival.
So there's some really coolresearch going on on that end.
(04:22):
But it really carries the, youknow, human potential and the
ability to be the best that wecan be whether it's in the
classroom or the boardroom or inthe playing field.
You know it's, it's, it's themaster's golf tournament, right,
everybody does.
Okay, up till Sunday afternoon.
You notice that suddenly thegreatest players in the world
start missing three-foot puttsand that's, that's all mental
(04:45):
what's going on between theirears and and so to me that's
just fascinating and that'sthat's sort of the arena where
I've been and it's, like I say,gets me into all kinds of nooks
and crannies that I neverdreamed I would be part of, in
companies I've never dreamed I'dhave the, you know, the
opportunity to work with,because people need to, you know
, are always interested inhealth and wellness and always
(05:05):
interested in how does mycompany do better?
How does my child do better?
How do I do better?
How do I become a better person?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So basically, you're helping a person learn how to
focus and basically using the,the tool, then in between their
ears and yeah, yeah, I thinkit's.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think it's helping people.
You know, take a pause and sayyou know who am I, you know what
are my strengths and weaknesses.
Why do I have these weaknesses?
What are the things, forexample, that you know?
What are my speed bumps in life?
What are my?
What are my potholes?
What's stopping me from beingthe best that I can be?
Why do I get bees rather thaneggs?
Right, you know, why am I ableto compete to the semi-final but
I can't win the final?
Why?
Why am I a good leader and nota good leader?
(05:44):
You know these kinds of thingsare.
You know how do we help our kidsin schools Learn?
Well, I get in front of a lotof teachers because they are
Probably you talk about afrontline group that's working
with the brain.
Those are the teachers, andbecause they're teaching and
learning.
You know, just saying the wordlearning, that's, that's a
(06:05):
product of the brain, and sothere's a lot of things there
that you know people can benefitfrom learning about how the
brain works and what, what theycan do To help improve what it
is they're trying to build ortrying to grow right you know
it's interesting that you saidthat prior to A starting to show
, I told you about how long I'vebeen doing the podcast, which
is a little over a month, andI'm okay up until the point
(06:28):
where I hit record.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And then I start getting a little nervous and
this is something I'm sharingwith with all my guests because
I want them to know that we'reall not perfect and you
basically told me a calm down.
You told me you know whatyou're doing and I know what I'm
doing.
But that's kind of the trainingthat you, that you, that you
study, is the human behavior orthe thought process of right up
until the point that it's timeto perform.
(06:51):
You practice you, and now it'stime to perform.
And why?
Why am I getting these glitchesin my actions?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that's right, and you know, sometimes anxiety
is, you know, first of all meansyou care, right, but then, you
know, trying to help peopleunderstand what's the role of
the anxiety, what do you?
What do you?
What's your biggest fear?
And then how are we going toget through this?
You know, and and then, likeyou said, you know you haven't
been at this a long time butyou've had some success you were
(07:19):
sharing with me and, and thoseare baby steps on your journey
towards bigger, you know, stepstowards success and Um, you know
, and you're going to get moreand more comfortable.
And that's really a good exampleof Shaping your brain, because
at first, something that we'renot used to, we're, we're
uncomfortable with it, feelsawkward.
You know, quite frankly, I'mnot very good at whatever it is.
I haven't done yet, but youknow, as I do it a little bit,
(07:42):
suddenly I start to feel alittle more comfortable and
that's a lay person's way ofsaying.
For me, the brain is actuallylaying down brain cells and
neural connections To help youfeel more comfortable.
Right, you're kind of, you'rekind of building a new pathway
in your brain that helps you dowhatever that exercise is that
used to be foreign to you now.
(08:03):
It's not so far any morecomfortable with it.
That's, that's growth, that'sdevelopment right.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, um haven't worked in law enforcement and
been been around Weapon systemsthrough military and law
enforcement.
One of the things that wealways do is practice, practice,
practice, practice and morepractice, the repetition of it.
And you do see some peoplehesitate when they're in high
(08:29):
stress situations, and what'syour thought on why they do that
?
Is it, like you said, theanxiety of being faced with that
situation and maybe wonderingif they're going to fail or
perform as they were trained?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, you know, for whatever the circumstance may be
, you know our anxiety, ourstress level, our fear can
impede our ability to learn, ourability to perform.
But, like you said, one of theways to overcome that is to gain
further exposure and to repeat,and to repeat and to repeat, so
(09:10):
that whatever it is that theperson may have as a real fear
or perceived fear, is mitigated.
It's kind of a rift, and that's, you know, that's the important
thing.
A lot of times.
What happens, though, charlie,is when someone is confronted
with a fear or an anxiety,they'll withdraw, they'll go
away from that situation, butthey'll avoid it.
That's the worst thing you cando.
(09:35):
Fight or flight.
Yeah, in order to get over that, you have to.
Whatever it is that's causingyou the fear, you have to kind
of confront it and learn that.
You know, hey, there may be abetter way to think about this,
a better coping mechanism.
Maybe my thoughts then mylife's in jeopardy with this
aren't true.
Maybe my thoughts that I can'tdo this, I'm not good enough,
(09:56):
aren't true.
And the only way we're going tofind that out is if you stay in
that situation, you kind ofkeep working at it and work
through it.
Work through it.
Yes, the person who's standingin front of the roller coaster,
looking up at the roller coasterin line, saying I can't do this
, I can't do this.
And then they get on the rollercoaster and nine times out of
ten, charlie, they get off theroller coaster and they say what
(10:17):
?
I want to do it again, you wantto do it again.
That's a metaphor for life.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I just did that at Busch Gardens.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
There was a roller coaster.
Hey, I wanted to do it again,but the line was too long.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
There you go, you know, speaking of anxiety, let's
talk about that.
A couple of years ago, we'vehad the COVID situation go yeah,
Coming to our lives.
I knew people that were veryoutgoing, extroverted, and you
catch up with them two yearslater and now they're introvert,
(10:52):
they don't want to do anythingsocial.
How do you?
What's your thought?
What's your thought on that?
How people just changed overover a period of time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well, yeah, covid, really, really was a very
difficult time and situation andexperience for so many
different reasons.
You know, we isolated, wesegregated, we stayed away from
each other.
We didn't touch each other, wedidn't talk to each other, we
ate poorly, you know.
We stayed away from religiousbeliefs and things.
We we're afraid and scared todeath.
(11:25):
We've been bombarded by socialmedia.
It was just like if we wantedto create a situation where we
scared the living.
You know what out of public wedid it Damn good job.
That's not yeah, that's not tosay that we didn't.
You know, you got to takecertain sort of precautions and
try to become educated.
We weren't that educated.
We did a lot of stupid things,to be honest, yes, but but you
know, you're right, there were,there were a lot of consequences
(11:48):
, particularly for the youngerfolks.
You know they, they, they'renot going to catch up with the
learning that they lost.
There's still a lot of mentalhealth issues out there and
suicidality with the youngergeneration.
That because of this COVIDthing.
So it's one of the hazards thatwe have with social media, to be
honest with you, with watchinga lot of cable news networks.
To be honest with you, yes, andyou know, I mean, I'm not, I'm
(12:12):
not, I'm not a politician at all.
No, there's a lot.
Politics seems to painteverything and it's usually not
a good way.
So one of the things I try toencourage people is you know
your listeners, charlie, and thegeneral public, we're smart,
we're not dumb people, exactly,and we can.
We know right from wrong and weknow what's best for us.
But we got to become educatedand but at the end of the day,
(12:36):
you know, when we're confrontedwith things where, whatever it
is, people are trying to get usto be the person that we're not
or to get us to do things thatare not healthy.
You know, we know better and weshould never be in a situation
where we're being bombarded by alot of messages and things that
(12:56):
are, like you said, are verystressful and cause anxiety.
You know, you think about ifyou had a like I had an older
mother at the time and I'm not,you know, anything unique here.
There's a lot of people thatwent through this.
We weren't able to visit ourparents, you know, and in
long-term care facilities, ifyou will, and if anybody needs,
you know, a visitation in theirhandheld, it's the older, frail,
(13:18):
adult, older adult, and youknow, that's just one little
example that was so detrimentalto that segment of the
population.
So, you know, covid definitelyhad a Huge, huge spike in
anxiety, huge spike in mentalillness, and we still have not,
or where we forth, four yearslater, five years later now,
(13:40):
still have not even come togrips with the mental health
issues that have been caused bythat.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, we're still talking about it.
Um, you know, absolutely stillfeeling it, yes, still feeling
the Residue of it all.
Um, what I've learned throughthat COVID, um, from just
dealing with I was actuallyworking at the time and I was
covering a large territory inFlorida and just amazing how no
one wanted to See anybody.
(14:07):
You know, I know that they wereprotecting themselves from,
from the home done on diseases,but as things started getting
lifted, um, you have folks tojust them Didn't want to
interact and I think that onething, one thing I thought and
one thing that I was thinking,was that people missed that
touch of another person.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, just a handshake.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Um yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You know, look at looking into each other's eyes,
right?
Right, you know there's aneurobiological the connection
we're getting like.
Yeah, like you're, you're inthe southern part of the country
, as I am, and you know we, wehave more exposure to sunlight,
right?
Well, you know, If you, if youdon't have that exposure to
sunlight, you literally yourhormones get all out of whack,
(14:53):
your sleep cycle gets way out ofwhack, your depression and mood
can change.
Um, and that you know we weretold to stay inside a lot with
COVID, so I mean, just justthose simple things Caused a lot
of changes in our mood.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, you know, whenever I had, whenever I came
in contact with anyone that was,you know, moody or not, in a,
you know, had a good move, thatis, I will tell me you might
need a little sun, a littlesunshine on your forehead.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you know, um, yeah,
you're right in a lot, a lot ofdifferent ways.
No doubt, right, a seasonaleffective disorder is a real
Tense to occur in the northernparts of our country.
But it's a, it's a serious.
Yeah, I had to do a talk onceonline for a group up in, uh,
north Dakota.
You know I'm down in theFlorida area and they're you
know the, the numbers that theyhave with seasonal effective
(15:42):
disorder.
Just, you know, really highCharlie, we don't have that down
where you get a lot of blue skyand a lot of sunlight.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, yeah you, you have um Like out there in
seattle it's always raining.
It's pretty mean.
You know we can understand whythat's right.
People really don't want, youknow the mood is changing.
All the time I mean down herein Florida we have our problems,
but it's nothing like what whatthe other part of the country's
having.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
But that's another good example of how the
environment can shape your brain.
You know, like we talked aboutthe beginning of this podcast,
that there's things going on outthere, decisions we can make at
times.
You know, should I get outsideor not get outside, for example
on a nice day?
You know well, if you getoutside it's probably going to
be health promoting for you.
You know, like a good walk isgoing to be health promoting for
you around the city on thecouch you just little decisions
(16:28):
every day that can reallypromote the health of your brain
.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, you know, I have a couple of friends that's
like that.
I talk myself blue in the face.
You know about you need tosocialize a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I'm not telling you go out there and meet everybody,
but you need to get out andsocialize.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
What recommendations would you give somebody like me,
who you know have a friend or aloved one that you, you see
that they're struggling with,with social anxieties or just
anxieties period?
What would you, what would yousay to that person?
Or give a recommendation?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
to a person.
Yeah, yeah, one of the thingsyou want to do is just let them
know that they're empowered tohave the ability to kind of
shape their brain, because a lotof people don't talk about that
.
They would just go right into,you know, recommendations.
But the reason therecommendations are important,
because what they do with therecommendations is actually
change the functioning structureof the brain, their emotions.
(17:19):
They're experiencing.
So being with other human beingsis kind of an anti-depressant,
okay.
So you know isolation is goingto cause increased cognitive
problems and increased mooddisorder.
You know, same thing withphysical exercise it's an
anti-depressant.
I mean, it's not just good foryour cardiovascular health, it's
(17:40):
really good for your brainhealth.
But emotional perspective andfrom a cognitive perspective,
right, you know we talk abouteating less processed foods and
in America we're all addicted tosugar, yes, you know.
So, if we can.
Just, we're not going to changethis overnight, but just a
couple of days of the week whereyou change more to eating what
(18:00):
are called plant-based foods.
You know, less processed foods,more fish, you know more
healthy foods the better offwe're going to be.
I'm a big believer in prayer andI'm a big believer in
meditation or breathing evenbreathing or being one with
nature.
And the reason for that isbecause what you and I talked
about earlier with anxiety,those are the, those are the
(18:22):
counter-stress anxiety when we,when we settle down and we slow
down, you know, we turn the TVoff, we just have some time to
ourselves.
That also, I would say, sleepfits into that, because sleep is
so very important.
And then, finally, you know,part of my brain health
lifestyle that I advocate for isyou know being mentally
stimulated.
You've already talked about thepodcast with something new for
(18:43):
you.
That's a really good example ofwhat I call novel and complex.
It's new and difficult becauseyou haven't done it before, and
so for everybody out therethere's everybody's going to
have one or two things that theycan say.
You know, I've always thoughtabout maybe trying that, I've
always wanted to, but I have it.
You know, here's your podcast,giving them a little nudge,
saying hey, go for it.
You know, it's okay, it'sactually good.
(19:05):
If you make mistakes and youdon't do real well at first,
that's a good sign becauseyou're going to get better.
That's a sign that your brainis being shaped for health when
you, when you continue to get alittle bit better at something
that was foreign to you.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right, I try to use myself as an example, um,
because I'm not perfect and alland one of the things I've
always told people is uh, if Ican do it, you can do it also,
because they're you know, Ireally have to push myself
sometimes.
I pushed myself through mycareer, I pushed myself at the
retirement.
Just after I just retired, inSeptember, um, I told myself hey
(19:38):
, listen, you know what you gotto break away from norm.
I broke away for a month andtraveled, and you mentioned
earlier that getting out,getting out in nature, helps.
I liked to, I liked to hike alittle bit.
Um, people that know me, theykind of like you're hiking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I was like, yeah, I like, I like to get out and just
be disconnected fromelectronics, something as simple
as that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
you know cause we've rushed to answer our phone, for
you know for what reason, Idon't know, but um, it just
seems like we're all greatexample, right, we're always in
a rush, but we're not takingcare of our own mental and
physical health.
So you know what?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's right.
Travel actually has been shownto be good for the brand because
it's new and difficult.
So, um, now you're spot on, andnature has been shown to be
very, very good good for thebody and the brain.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, it all depends on what highway you're on.
But I think the back rowshelped me better than uh I for
here in Florida.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, so before we end, could you give us some
practice tips, um, like with themeditation?
Uh, because some people justthink that meditation is going
out sitting on a rug and, andyou know, I've learned that
meditation is just sitting,sitting still for a moment going
(20:59):
over your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, it's really.
It's really harness.
It's really harnessing yourmental focus inward, right it's,
it's, it's.
We're very distractible speciesand, like you said, part of
it's because we have phones andall these gadgets around.
But we also internally, youknow, sometimes it's called them
monkey brain, literally,because we were in our thoughts
of jumping all over the placeand we have to work at, you know
(21:23):
, harnessing our attentioninward and just working at being
still and as those distractionscome up and they will, it'll be
frustrating at first but you'llget better at it.
You know, research tells us inabout about 12 minutes a day For
eight weeks.
Now, that doesn't sound likemuch, but that's hard to do,
right, 12 minutes a day.
(21:43):
You pick a time period.
You know, maybe it's morningfor you if you can put the alarm
on 12 minutes and you just sitand you begin to work on turning
inward, being quiet, turningall the you know the gadgets off
, mmm, breathing slowly inwardon a four count and exhaling on
an eight count.
You always want to exhale morethan you inhale because that'll
(22:05):
settle your system down and thenjust see where that takes you
and then, at the end of 12minutes, see where you are, see
how you feel.
But you know the two is goingto be better than week one.
Week three is gonna be better.
Week two and what they havefound by by about eight weeks,
you're when they've done scansof the brain pre and post the
(22:26):
brain changes structurally andAshley shows Brain growth in
areas that are very, veryimportant for sort of being
emotionally in balance.
Okay, and so that it's.
It's not.
It's a very physiological sortof intervention that you can do
yourself and I think a routinefor everybody can be very, very
(22:49):
good because you know whateverit is for you, if you're, if you
can get up and have some thingsyou do to take care of yourself
Before you start your day, ifyou will, you know whether it be
the breathing, whether it be awalk, whether it be meditation,
whether it be prayer, sittingand listening to some soft music
, whatever it may be, you knowthat's that's before you start
(23:10):
your day, that's that's kind oflike your, your launch.
It's taking care of yourselfand getting yourself in a
position to succeed that day.
Basically, fine, I'm on feedingit.
Yeah, just kind of getting itinto balance, and I think you
know people need to take alittle time to kind of think
about it and even write down.
You know what are yourstressors in life.
Put them on paper, because ifyou put them on paper it gets
(23:31):
out of your head and you won'truminate about it.
You can actually see it on thepaper and you can actually
manage it then.
And then try to identifyeverybody's different, try to
identify what it is that helpsyou overcome those moments of
stress, anxiety and poorperformance, and then write
those down.
Well, first, now you got alittle toolbox that you're
building to kind of intervenefor yourself and use as a way of
(23:55):
coping adaptably to get to abetter place for yourself,
because life's always gonnathrow us curveballs, always
gonna throw you.
It's always yeah, yeah.
But I think the more youraudience turns to themselves and
begins to work on themselvesand kind of be selfish in a way
not in a negative way, but in apositive way, being selfish the
more they're gonna learn aboutthemselves, the more they're
(24:16):
gonna understand what it is thatthey have within themselves to
cope and overcome, even inmoments where they don't think
they can or they got themselves.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Do you recommend?
Do you recommend folks go seecounselors or somebody outside
of their network?
That's somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, sometimes, sure , sometimes that's.
There's nothing wrong with thatSometimes, you know, it's just
the same thing as going to see adoctor to make sure your blood
pressure is in line, maybechecking your blood pressure.
I've got a blood pressure kitnow so I take it just to kind of
keep track of.
You know, I wanted to learn ismy blood pressure different in
the morning than in the evening?
So I took it for, like you know, four weeks, morning and
(24:56):
evening, and I learned a littlebit about myself and then I
shared that with my doctor.
You know it's the same thingwith the.
There are emotions in ourpsychology.
Sometimes just balancing someideas off, a trusted friend or a
spiritual leader or a counselor, that's a wonderful thing.
I mean, most people that havegone through counseling will say
you know, everybody should dothis and there's probably some
truth to that.
(25:16):
But part of that counselingbegins by a person starting to
turn inward with themselvesfirst, kind of be their own
counselor first, to kind of, youknow, try to learn about it.
We get so, like you said, weget so busy, we forget about
ourselves.
Yes, yes, and that's not a goodthing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, we're too busy trying to fix everything and
everybody else and then we don'trealize that we need our own
wheels rotated.
Yeah, that's right, yeah we alldo you have to do madness on
yourself.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Wow, okay, I really enjoyed your conversation today
and I appreciate you coming onthe show.
You do have YouTube channel.
You have a YouTube channel andyou also have a website where
you can be found and see some ofthe things that you're talking
about, or hear some of thethings that you're talking about
, correct?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I do so and folks can find all that and it's all free
.
It's a YouTube channel and it'sa Twitter feed, and my website
is a lot of free information.
It's wwwbrainhelthctrcom.
So brain healthCTRshortforcentercom.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Okay, excellent.
And if they want to email you,it's also on your website there.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, get a hold of me and contact me there and via
that, that's right.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I would enjoy having you back on the show if there's
any topics that you know comeacross that you want to share
with my audience.
I really appreciate it.
This is very valuable to me.
It made me, even though I waspracticing some of it.
It helped me refocus on a fewthings that I need to take care
of with myself and I hope thaton- Terrific.
Charlie, I hope that anyonelistening they can find that in
(27:04):
themselves as well, cause we'renot perfect.
We're just out here trying tosupport, like any other being.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, one day at a time, just try to get better.
Thank you so much for having meon your podcast and thanks for
your good work.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Thank you, folks.
That concludes our show today,and I'd like to thank Dr
Nussbaum again for coming on theshow Also.
Thank you for watching.
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