A Guide to Large Monitors/TVs for Sim Racing

The ultimate display upgrade dilemma: are triple 42" OLED monitors worth it for sim racing? We dive deep into the reality behind this immersive but demanding setup, exploring everything from connectivity challenges to performance requirements that no one tells you about. 

Making the jump from curved 32" monitors to flat 42" OLEDs isn't just about size—it fundamentally transforms how games look and feel. The catch? You'll need serious GPU power to compensate for the lack of G-Sync when connecting these massive displays to your PC. We break down the honest pros and cons, including the surprising benefits of flat panels for UI elements and the jaw-dropping OLED contrast that makes night racing feel incredibly realistic.

We also examine SimMagic's clever new QRA quick release adapter that finally allows third-party wheels on their direct drive bases, and analyze Moza's aggressive entry into the high-torque direct drive market with their 21nm and 25nm offerings. How do they stack up against established players like Asetek at similar price points? The ecosystem matters as much as raw specs.

For those planning a motion rig journey, this episode provides valuable insights on preparing your setup gradually—from strategic cable management to positioning considerations that will save you headaches later. Whether you're looking to upgrade displays, wheelbases, or your entire rig, we offer practical advice based on real-world experience to help you make informed decisions.

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Episode Transcript

Jason (00:34):
This episode is brought to you by Trophyai.
We discuss all things in thesim racing world.
I'm your host, jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by Mr Eric
Kelly and Jeff Smart.
How is everybody doing thisweek?
How's it going?

Erick (00:45):
Doing good man.
We can officially count down tothe Sim Expo in hours.
I don't have the number, butwe're days away.

Jason (00:56):
So we're not counting down anything because
technically oh shit, okay, theExpo already happened.

Jeff (01:04):
I guess that's one way to look at it, we survived.

Jason (01:07):
Well, technically right.

Jeff (01:08):
Well, we don't know about that yet.

Jason (01:12):
There's no marks on my face, there's no body tattoos,
there's no Tyson tattoo orwhatever.
We survived the expo.
But I mean, yeah, we're excited, obviously when we're recording
this Dude.

Jeff (01:25):
I yeah, go ahead.
I'm sorry to cut you off, but Ithink we've been counting down
since like 117 days or something.
Like in springtime we were likeI don't want to wish summer
away, but when summer ends we'reready to go.
And here we are, dudes LikeJason and I leave tomorrow for
the X-Files.

Jason (01:41):
This is it.

Jeff (01:43):
We are here, man.

Jason (01:47):
We are here, man, we are here, we leave tomorrow and we
flying overnight.
Overnight, yeah, I guess, ifthat's what you call it, I won't
speak.

Erick (01:53):
On my flight I was between flying and driving.
I hope they give me ice cream,bro.

Jason (01:57):
I hope I got ice cream for my future self.
You better book some nicetickets to get ice cream.
Oh yeah, you better book somenice tickets to get ice cream.
Oh yeah, they better give meice cream.
Jeff, I want to hear it.

Jeff (02:07):
So yeah, we're gonna have to cowboy up um thursday night
when we get there for real tomake sure jet lag doesn't crush
us for the week.
But I am ready, I'm pumped,can't wait.
I'm sure george is like hey,dudes, I'll still take my two
days of work I get to do but atthis point he's done right.
He's listening to this, puttinghis feet up having a cocktail.

Jason (02:28):
I don't think so bro.

Jeff (02:30):
He's busy building rigs and setting up.
Well, I mean like when he'slistening to this podcast on
Monday, oh yeah.

Erick (02:39):
Probably instantly dropped 10, 15 pounds of stress
weight.

Jason (02:45):
Well, with all the rigs that he was building.
Yeah, of course they wereposting pictures on the
warehouse.
I was complaining aboutmodifying my single rig.
That's 20, 30 rigs that theybuilt over there.

Jeff (03:02):
It's kind of nuts.
I can't imagine that's hard towrap your head around.
Yeah, so anyways, how?

Jason (03:05):
wrap your head around.
Yeah, so anyways how was your?
Week.
How was the week?
How was our past week beforethe Expo?
I guess I haven't even packedyet.
That's kind of where I'm atright now.
We're recording this.
I need to edit and publish thisand then get ready to get on a
plane, but that's pretty much myoh.

(03:27):
I have more news, of course youcan see it behind me, but I'll
talk about that later.
But Jeff and Eric, how was yourweek?
Oh yeah, anything crazy happen.

Erick (03:39):
Nah, man just enjoyed Labor Day weekend that just
passed, so spent some time withthe family and, uh, got to enjoy
some football.
So you know it, it went prettywell.
A long weekend is alwaysappreciated.

Jeff (03:54):
That's good.
Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't do a whole heck of alot this weekend.
This week, Um, I got back inthe rig and did some VR flying.
And then I jumped in and didsome VR driving.
And it's like for me, if Idon't do VR, if I don't drive or
fly in VR, and then I do it fora bit and I'm like, oh man, I
forgot how freaking cool this is.
So I go like ebbs and flows ofmonitors in VR and currently I

(04:19):
am deep down the VR rabbit hole.
So I hope to test some othersetups at the expo and stuff.
But yeah, it's just weird,that's how I go.
So I'm currently in a VR timeframe.

Jason (04:33):
In a VR phase.
I guess For someone that hastriples right, nothing wrong
with VR users, but I think weall go through that.
I think we all.
It's so new, I guess, andyou're just getting into the
combat sims.
Honestly, bro, vr is the onlyway for combat sims, because to

(04:54):
look up all the way up andbehind you it's kind of
impossible to do with triplemonitors.
You could use a device liketoby um eye tracker or track ai
that tracks your head movements,but it's, it's still not the
same.

Jeff (05:11):
You know what you said, jason, hit the nail on the head,
like driving you.
Triple monitors is is great, um, but when you get in an f18 and
you're looking behind you atthe, you know the guy trying to
get behind you or you're doingan actual loop and you can look
back and see yeah, you're doinga roll and you're changing
direction using all axes.

Jason (05:32):
Incredible.

Jeff (05:32):
Incredible.
But racing 50-50.
I can't imagine doing triplesin the combat.
Dcs is what I'm flying now, butit's just nice to every now and
again jump back into it likeman.

Jason (05:48):
this is pretty cool yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's dcs is
free, uh, you got to pay for theplanes, but, um, and before we
get into this week's um you knownews update, which I will
announce, um, I do want todiscuss, uh, some things that,

(06:08):
some comments that were left outfor us on the or for me on the
last episode, and I want to, Iwant to let you all know that I
thoroughly enjoy reading those.
That is, that is my newspaperin the morning, because I get to
correct you right here on theshow.
So let me go ahead and share myscreen and show you guys, and I

(06:33):
want I honestly I just want anexplanation to what exactly does
this mean?
Because there's a subscriptionmodel with LMU.
There's no secret.
There's a free, there's amid-tier, there's a high-tier.
I'm going to show you a screengrab that I just grabbed from

(06:55):
their website.
The subscription is called RaceControl.

Erick (07:01):
Yeah.

Jason (07:03):
If you see on the free side, right f r?
E?
E, do you see anything thatsays anything about reporting
drivers?
No, I see it down here underthe pro, under the uh monthly or
annual and or subscriptionwhatever.
So if it is indeed free in thesim, I haven't tried it because

(07:30):
we're getting ready to go to theexpo, we're getting ready for
bigger and better things, we'regetting ready to have some fun
and meet all those creators.
But I just wanted to show youthat either LMU, either their
subscription is a falseadvertisement, or there's a
version of the game they made achange to the game that I don't
know about that either LMU,either their subscription is a

(07:52):
false advertisement, or there'sa version of the game.
They made a change to the gamethat.

Jeff (07:56):
I don't know about.
I wonder if it's that if youhave the Pro or Pro Plus, this
says priority.
Your report goes to the top ofthey might not have 100 N NIM
crosses.
Looking at stuff.

Jason (08:13):
They got three.
Okay, but why should I pay?

Jeff (08:15):
for priority reporting.
Why, yeah, why should.

Erick (08:18):
I pay for that Because they're trying to make money.

Jason (08:20):
You know, I have to compare it because iRacing is
the direct competitor when itcomes to reporting people.
You know, not because they'reboth subscription based, but
there is no priority.
You submit a report and you getan answer in 24 hours or less.
I think, jeff, you went throughthat one time, right.
How long did it take you to getyour report submitted?

Jeff (08:44):
Submitted, it's obviously instantaneous.

Jason (08:46):
But, like.

Jeff (08:47):
You get a response back saying, hey, we received all the
documentation, it was probablyinside three days, Okay, and
obviously you don't know whatthe end result is which kind of
grinds my gears a little bit,but at least you get a response
from saying, hey, we've got itWe've made a decision.

(09:09):
It's closed out.

Jason (09:11):
Okay, so three days right .

Jeff (09:13):
Give or take.

Jason (09:14):
A lot of people will probably say well, three days is
a long time, but if you watchour episode with Nimcross, we
were being told that over athousand reports a day were
being submitted and oh and, bythe way, the masses are on
iRacing.
That is just a fact of life, soI'll leave it there.

(09:36):
I love LMU drivers, I respectyou, even Dave Cam, so if you
don't know what Dave Cam is, youcan go and watch his video.
He had some comments to sayabout LMU and it's just things
that we need to voice to makethings better, because if we
don't voice them, then thingsdon't change.

(09:58):
You can't invoke change withoutthe voice telling you that
there needs to be a change.
This isn't a bash session,right?
I don't have.
I mean, it is fun reading thecomments, right?

Jeff (10:12):
They keep us honest too, right, yeah, you know we'll get
to the bottom of this, one wayor the other.

Jason (10:17):
The purpose of us bringing it forward is for it to
become, for it to be known.
That is, for it to become forit to be known that, hey,
there's better options, there'sbetter things out there, you
know.
And if there is a better thing,then why not make it better?
If you know something is wrong,if I told you something is

(10:37):
wrong with your shoe and ahundred other people told you
something's wrong with your shoeand you still don't fix your
shoe, then you got a problem.
You know what I mean.
That's on you.
So, and with that guys, let'sget into the hey.

Jeff (10:54):
we'll read your comments.
If you got something to say,put it in the comments.
Put it in the comments.

Jason (10:59):
I'm ready, I'm excited for those.

Jeff (11:02):
Or send a detailed email.

Jason (11:05):
Oh, a detailed email would be nice.
I would love to address thoseand the guys here.
Of course they you know anyemail that comes into our inbox
I share with them.
So we have six eyes on a singletopic, which is kind of cool,

(11:29):
kind of cool, but um, fortoday's sim industry news update
, there is a new piece of techwhich I kind of wish that other
manufacturers did.
Um, but sim magic seems to beon the game of um, paying
attention a little, a little,more a little and in more detail
to what people actually want,and they came out with a QR
system.
Let me get it up for you guys.

(11:49):
Here it is right.
Here it's the QRA that beingdisplayed.
Yes, it is, it's the QRA.
And this QR is basically itenables third-party support,
because the SimMagic has thepins in the front that give the
wheel power.
So this allows you to run a USBcable through it.

(12:14):
So let me read the specs herewhile you guys get to enjoy that
high res picture there.

Jeff (12:21):
Looks wicked cool.
I don't know how it works yet,but it looks wicked cool.
It's an NRG style QR with someSIM magic branding on there.
Looks wicked cool.
I don't know how it works yet,but it looks wicked cool.

Jason (12:25):
It's an NRG style QR with some SimMagic branding on there
.
It says SimMagic's newestwheelbase, the Alpha Evo, is one
of the brand's most popularproducts ever released.
It's with three varying optionsof power, so you have 9, 12,
and 18 newton meters with those.
So with this new QRA quickrelease, simmagic has opened the

(12:50):
door for third-party wheels.
So now you can.
It's basically a plug and playcompatibility device.
You would there's a video youwould plug it in.
You would plug a wire from thewheel into and run it through
the QR release, through thathole that you guys see there.

(13:12):
Then it says you know, it'skind of awesome because I think
Daniel, Dan Suzuki not Daniel,shout out Danny Newman, dan
Suzuki, not Daniel, shout outDanny Newman, but Dan Suzuki had
created a mod that essentiallyreplicates what this is doing.

(13:34):
And then we also have a.
Let me see.

Jeff (13:38):
You got any other pictures of that thing working?

Jason (13:41):
No, not, not, so can you go back?

Jeff (13:43):
to the picture Right.
So the wire, so the cable goesthrough.

Jason (13:55):
I'm just trying to see how it works.
So the cable goes through thishole, okay, and then it connects
behind.
It connects behind into yourwheel.
This is your wheel base.
You see the wheel base here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and somewheels have USB-C already ready,
like my Asher wheel has a USB-C, so you can technically run a
wire through there.

Jeff (14:11):
Okay, so my Solpec is not going to be able to be
compatible with that, at leastwith the wire they're talking
about.

Erick (14:20):
Right, they got a list.

Jason (14:22):
Look right here.
Here's the list, right?

(14:52):
Look right here, here's thelist.
I just mentioned it the McLarenArtura Ultimate and all the
McLarens Artura series, even theGT4.
And Cube Control.
I know Cube Control had aproprietary system.
They were thinking way ahead ofthe game when they first came
out with their wheels, and gsialso is marked as compatible
with these.
So it's an option for you simmagic viewers out there.
I'll post the video or displayit here.
Um, if I can find one of thedemonstration of it being
connected, because that wouldhave been, I think that would
have been nice to have that here, I hope not kind of pile onto
this point is.

Jeff (15:10):
I would hope that most of the manufacturers would go this
direction, cause it's it sucks.
Having the coil, the wire,coiled around your you know the,
the shaft of the DD, the directdrive unit.
It just it's not clean.
You know what I mean.
You get all this nice stuffthere and then you get this
coiled cable around the quickconnect.

(15:33):
It just sucks.
You got a super nice wheel andthen you got some my words
ratty-ass wires wrapped aroundthe DDU.

Jason (15:43):
It's not a polished product.
I got some more illustrationsjust in case, Because we do have
.
I'm on their official websitehere just to give you guys a
little more perspective.

Erick (15:57):
So it has both.
Oh, okay, that's nice.

Jason (16:03):
So, basically, nrg releases, and most of them they
come with both patterns, but inthe United States, like, 99% of
you will be using this pattern,which is the 70, which is the,
you know, the most common one,right?

(16:25):
So then let me see if I canfind, see if it shows.
Yeah, it doesn't show.

Jeff (16:33):
It doesn't show it just yet.

Jason (16:35):
Yeah, maybe there's a guide.
If there is a guide, I willpost it in the oh, here we go,
are you guys?
Let me share this.
Hold on To give you guys more.

Erick (16:51):
Because when I explain.

Jason (16:52):
You know, have I explained something?
I know how it goes, but havinga visual, right.

Jeff (16:59):
Was this only good for the Evo line?

Jason (17:03):
I think so.

Jeff (17:04):
yes, Not to put you on the spot, but I thought that's what
I heard, that's what you said,which kind of sucks.

Jason (17:08):
But as Eric and I are OGs of SITMAGIC stuff, so here's
how that wire exactly how thewire gets plugged into the QR,
which is plugged into the baseand then it feeds itself out
into the wheel, into the wheelbase.
This is your yeah, this is yourwheel base and it does work for

(17:28):
the Alpha, because the Alphahas built-in USBs on it too, so
you could just plug the otheryou know the other end of the
cable to the base.
So essentially it'll make yourwheel wireless If you have a
third party non-Ssim magic wheel.
So again, I'll leave links toall these illustrations so you

(17:49):
guys can figure out if thisthing is worth it.
Um, you know, if it's worthyour time or, um, I don't have.
Yes, the price on this is 8989.
So it depends on which one youget to, because they have three
different versions.

(18:09):
If you have the 18 Newton meteror, excuse me, it's only one
version, but it looks like theyhave a bundle system now with it
If you want to buy the 18Newton.
If you want to buy the 18Newton, then you'll pay $788 for
the 18 Newton, $638 for the 12Newton and $488 for the nine

(18:32):
Newton motor.
And they all come bundled withthis quick release with the QRA,
which is kind of cool.
I think it's a good step in theright direction that someone is
looking at this in a differentlens and thinking above right,
thinking ahead, because the DanSuzuki mod that's definitely

(18:56):
happening over here.
So those are on order, they'recoming in and I'll give my
honest thoughts on those as wellwhen they do.
But that's going to be it fortoday's simistry.
It seems like no shortage ofproducts coming still, and, on
top of all the reveals thatwe've already seen at the expo,

(19:20):
we haven't seen them yet, but bythe time of this recording we
did did see them.
So we'll be updating you onthose, and then I guess I'll
roll right in into the maindiscussion.
As you can see back here, thisis TGSR's 2.0 rig.

Jeff (19:39):
I feel like we need a drum roll or something I know.

Jason (19:42):
That was pretty good.
Actually, that was pretty good.
Actually, that was pretty good.
So I made the plunge upgrade totriple 42 OLED screens, and the
reason for 42 is if-.

Jeff (19:57):
Let them know, Jason, let them know.

Jason (19:59):
Oh yeah, this is coming.
The screen is here.
I literally have this much frommy desk, you see that.
So space was the biggest thing.
That was the number one thing.
And then the monitor stand thatI have, which is a Sim Lab,
holds up to 43 inches of eachmonitor.

(20:22):
So 42 is kind of playing withthe margins, like to the
absolute max, like there's noroom for error.
If it was any larger than if itwas 43.1, it won't fit.
You know what I mean.
So and then I started thinkingI was like you know I made an

(20:44):
Instagram video.
If you guys follow, Iappreciate know I made an
Instagram video.
If you guys follow, Iappreciate that.
Um, I made an Instagram videoshow showcasing what I did to
the rig on top of the topmonitor too, which is new, that
has a 32 inch now up there,because 27 just looked weird.
It just didn't look.
It looked out of placeMinuscule.

Jeff (21:00):
Looked like a little iPad up there.

Jason (21:03):
Looked like a tablet Exactly.
So I started thinking and I waslike man I did.
I've been doing some researchnow because this is kind of my
journey into motion.
You know I spoke to you beforeabout if you want to build a
motion rig, you got to do itright.
You can't just buy a motion andfigure, buy a motion kit and
then figure it out later.
Buy a motion kit and thenfigure it out later.

(21:23):
You have to have some sort ofplan.
So the first step was wiring therig and making sure that the
rig was wired, pretending thatit has motion right, Having a
single cable coming out throughthe front up to the monitor, and
that single cable is 16 feet,which is absolute overkill of

(21:45):
amount of slack.
But I don't want nothing tocatch or nothing to ever have a
reason to break or snapsomething.
So that was step one.
Step two was the wheelbase,which I'm waiting for and I'm
happy to say that I'm giving myold wheel deck to Eric and hook

(22:05):
him up.
We got to hook my brother up,man, so he'll be getting that as
soon as SimCore ships mesomething, and it's been like
three weeks.

Jeff (22:15):
So Eric and I are going to have the same setup, the same
direct drive unit, the same faceI got him some Apex pods, bro.

Jason (22:23):
They're carbon fiber, they have buttons, they have.
I'm going to miss those alittle.
I ain't going to lie.
I looked at them and I was likedamn bro, those are fire.
Rob Markman.

Jeff (22:34):
Yeah, you flip it up and the light comes on.
Press the button for the pushstart.

Jason (22:39):
Hell yeah, I got to take care of my, my boy man.
So I was like yo, eric's new,he's the newest one, he's not
new, but he's the newest one tobuilding.
He's still building.
And I was like man, I'm goingto get him this and I'm going to
, instead of selling it, what amI going to get for this?
I figured I just anyway, I'mgoing too deep, I'm getting

(22:59):
emotional.
It's my boy, I'm about to meethim, even though I already.
It's my boy, I'm about to meethim, even though I already met
him.
I'm not going to stopmentioning this future tense
shit.
It's weird.
So that was.
Step two is finding a base andthen measuring out how far of a
distance this right here is theexact distance that it would be

(23:22):
even if it had motion on.
And I'm just training the eyeto race that way.
That way, when I put motion onthe rig that it doesn't really
change.
There's not a big chainreaction of changes.
You know what I mean?
Like I'm further back.
This and this the monitors arebigger.
Oh, it's all happening too fast.
It's all happening too fast.
So I'm trying to gradually workmy way into getting it dialed

(23:50):
in.
So the hardest part of thiswhole thing was the TVs.
How do you connect these TVs toa PC that only has one HDMI
port?
And if you're using converters,do you have G-Sync?

(24:12):
Does VRR work?
Do they even turn on?
Can you even display triplescreens on them?
So those were questions that Ihad, and I scoundered the
internet and I can find videosfrom 2021 that didn't really
explain much.
So I'm here to help.
For those of you that alreadyhave a rig and are looking to
expand to a bigger display,right, if you're in that market

(24:35):
for them, I'm here for you and Iwant to tell you that, as of
right now, there's no way to getG-Sync or VRR on these monitors
the way they're connected.
There's not a single connectorout there that exists.
And if it does exist, send methe link.
I don't care how much it is,just send it to me, send it to

(24:56):
the chicanepodcast at gmailcom.
So how do you fight, how do yougame with a system that can't do
VRR or G-Sync Raw power?
If your PC can barely handletriple screens or it can barely
handle 1440p gaming, then Iwould stick to your 32 inch TVs.

(25:21):
But if you go any larger than42 and you try and render 4K on
all three, even with a 4090, Ican barely break 90 FPS on a
4090.
And I know the 5090 is out andI'm pretty sure we're talking
about a 10 to 20 framedifference.
I can almost guarantee thatbecause there's not much that's

(25:43):
changed with them and especiallyin a sim like iRacing that
doesn't support DLSS.
So you see, iracing isn'tperfect either.
If it had DLSS then no problem,I can run.

(26:05):
I get like 300 frames in ACCbecause I'm using downsampling
DLSS.
So, in a nutshell, is you got todecide what's important to you?
Immersion is very importantfactor, but the reality is that
at its current state you needperformance to combat not having

(26:26):
what do you call this G-Syncand going back to an older thing
called V-Sync and reducing theframe rates and keeping it
trying to sync it up together.
Right now it's running butterysmooth and that's because of the
hardware that I have back there, because if I didn't have that
hardware I would be in a worldof pain because now I have

(26:47):
triple 42 monitors that I mighthave to drop the 1080p, and at
that point I didn't do anything,I made it worse.
So those are things that Icouldn't get anybody to tell me.
It's kind of like.
I couldn't find a video thatwould tell me.
They would tell you how tomount them, they would tell you
how to plug them in, they wouldtell you how nice they are.

(27:12):
But I'm here to tell you thatyou need to be cognizant and be
realistic about what kind ofmachine you're plugging these
into, and that's, that's aboutit for monitors.
So big monitors is a big change.
They are excellent.
There are no cons other thanwhat I just mentioned.

(27:32):
I'm fighting the con withperformance, but any other sim
that has DLSS, no problem,absolutely no problem,
absolutely no problem.
And my main sim, my racing.
I had to reduce some of my capframes just a little bit to

(27:52):
compensate for that V-sync.
But I think, eric, you havequestions I want to hear them.

Erick (27:58):
Yeah, I think probably the big one that a lot of people
have, going from curved triplesto flat panels.
What's been the experience likethere?

Jason (28:11):
So I'm going to be honest with you.
I started with Curb 32 SamsungsG7s.
That's how the rig was built,so I didn't know any better.
We have single monitors, but Inever had a triple flat screen

(28:31):
environment.
There's a lot of benefits forit being flat man, because it
being flat it's a lot easier toline up.
It was way easier to basicallyhave a window and maximize it,
and it be true to size.

(28:53):
When you add curved monitors,you're essentially warping an
image is what you're doing.
You're warping a UI elementthat wasn't designed to warp,
but you're warping it anyway.
You know what I'm saying.
So when you look at somethingthat's on a flat panel, it just
looks right, it reads right.
I don't know Cons.

(29:14):
I would say the only cons isthe width.
Oh yeah, my width increasedDramatically.
It may not look like this oncamera, but I promise you it's
from that monitor, excuse me,from that monitor, or, for those
on the audio side, from my leftmonitor all the way to the

(29:35):
right monitor is 71 inches, 71inches wide, and this is a 42
display If you went with a 48,.

Jeff (29:45):
Oh my God, you know what I mean Because I think, to put in
perspective, mine is 51 andchange.

Jason (29:52):
Yeah, that sounds about right, yep.
Because, you have thatcurvature that hugs you more.
The benefits, Jeff, you wouldlove this because you're a big
dude.
You might not look big on thecamera, but Jeff's a big guy,
bro.
He's like Shaq.
You know what I'm saying.
You can come in this rig.
There's so much room and itmakes the rig feel more of a

(30:14):
console than anything Not a gameconsole, but an actual flight
console.
It makes it look a lot biggerthan what it actually is.
You know what I mean.

Jeff (30:26):
Yeah, because you had the 1000R.
That was super tight and it wastight getting into your rig.
Mine's 1500, so it's not curvedas tight, but yours was super
tight, so I'm sure you'reenjoying, you know.

Jason (30:40):
I think my monitors will come to here or something like
this, maybe a little more, and Iwould literally have to suck
the stomach in.

Jeff (30:50):
Yeah you could get in before dinner, but after dinner
was a little bit more difficult.

Jason (30:54):
You had to take a detox, bro, before you get in there, so
which is kind of cool.
So that's one of the benefits.
Um, and, of course, the oleddisplay.
Um, I know they make oledmonitors, but oled it's hard.
I've been sending these guyspictures and videos, but it's

(31:14):
really hard.

Jeff (31:16):
It's really hard, it's freaking mint.

Jason (31:20):
It's really hard.
So, okay, this feels like Ijust got into sim racing again.
That's how it felt, you know,when you first got your rig and
all you wanted to do was justwell, let me see what this game
looks like.
Well, let me see what this cardlooks like.
And now let me see.
That's where I'm at right nowand that's how come I got bags

(31:41):
over my eyes because I've beenstaying up late tinkering and
finding the right color settingsand everything.
So again, this is phase two,because I'm pretty sure my
future self has tried motion andwants motion, and the guys here
they want, everybody wantsmotion.

(32:03):
It's just that not everybodywants to pay for motion nobody
wants to pay for motion exactly,but we all want it.

Jeff (32:10):
So hey, before you close this up, I do have a comment, a
question for you yeah, go aheadum go ahead.
Bezel eliminator.
What's your plan?

Jason (32:21):
I ordered custom ones, my man.
But as you can see how thinthat bezel is, it is.
It is tiny, bro, it's like amillimeter, maybe two
millimeters.
I got these guys off of Etsy.
I can leave a link for them.
I'll shout them out, no problem.
And um, they made me a cut andthey made it 21 point inches,

(32:47):
21.6 to the to the millimeter,and they're custom fitted just
for these uh monitors.
All right, and it sucks becausethe the other ones that that I
had the aces, um, which I'mdonating to Mr Kelly to force
him into triples sooner, faster,get him in there.
I blame.

Erick (33:06):
Jason.

Jason (33:16):
Because you know, I rather I don't know the plastic
would touch the screen and youwould have to fit them and they
didn't fit right.
But again, those are ourproblems with curved monitors,
because if I had flat monitorsthen that film would lay flat,
it wouldn't be puffed outbecause the screen is curving.

(33:37):
That's another con with curvedscreens.
Now there's a lot of benefitswith curved screens now.
You save a lot of room.
If you don't have that kind ofroom but you want big screens,
that's how you can achieve that,by having that curvature, and
it's a little more immersive,right?
Because if you compare the 32,a 32 inch, it hugs you, but it's

(34:02):
only 16 high, so it only hugsyou to about there.
You know what I mean.
You know 21 inches is going togo all the way down here.
So your, your peripheral viewis kind of like here and it's
kind of dope.
You can see down into the seatbelt, you can see down into the
window of the car.
You know what I mean.

(34:22):
There's a lot of, there's a lotof trade-off.
I am super happy with it.
Um, and if anybody hasquestions, if you have any like
if you are on the fence andyou're not sure about what to do
.
I'm here to help you.

Jeff (34:40):
What model did you get?
If you could let everybody know.

Jason (34:42):
I got the LG.
I should have said that Goodcall, jeff.
I got the LG OLED C5 TVs.
There are TVs, and the beautyof these TVs is that they have
Dolby Vision for PC alreadybuilt in, baked in.
I think it's one of the firstTVs to do it, and 144 hertz,

(35:05):
which is a first for an OLED TVthat I know of.
Eric can probably back me upthat's the first.

Erick (35:11):
Well, there was like NVIDIA TV.

Jeff (35:18):
Okay.

Erick (35:19):
It was way back, though, but as far as TVs that people
actually buy, commercial right.

Jeff (35:25):
I can't imagine how much that TV cost yeah.

Erick (35:28):
It's not like a gaming TV .
It's like a legitimate TV thatjust so happens to be an
excellent gaming monitor.

Jason (35:36):
So these guys have VR and G-Sync.
The thing is that because I'mconverting the signal to
DisplayPort, I lose thosefeatures.
But I'm hopeful for a 6090 oran adapter that comes out in the
future.
But so far I don't have issueswith running games without

(35:56):
G-Sync at all.
I don't have issues withrunning games without G-Sync at
all and I did a three-hour livestream the other day to prove
that in the Ferrari challengeand I didn't lose time, I didn't
get slower, nothing.
It was a quick transition.
It was more of an immersionchange than anything, so highly
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They have monitors out therethat are displayed port that you

(36:57):
can, that are 45 inches andOLED and everything, but I can't
fit 45 inches.
You know what I'm saying.
And the price is way higherthan what these cost, and times
three, yeah that's what I wassaying.

Erick (37:15):
For whatever reason, when they call something a monitor,
when you get to like 40something inches, the price gets
crazy.
But a TV is.
You know that's a small TV butit's a huge monitor.
So, to your point, you knowhaving something with, you know
display ports on it the sizewould be crazy.

Jason (37:34):
It is crazy to think about, because when you say 42
inch, you don't think, you thinkthat's just a 42.
But when you sit in front of a42, that close, they look
enormous.
You know what I mean.
They look I wouldn't want.
I tell you now, guys, Iwouldn't want anything bigger

(37:55):
than a 42, because a 48, whichis what I originally wanted the
monitor would have came all theway past the screen, probably
about here.
That's the side monitor and wegot to compensate for that
center monitor.
That's going to come all theway this way and it's possible

(38:16):
away.
Yeah, that's a lot of space,not in here.
I just got to buy a new houseto fit your rig in.

Jeff (38:18):
I just need a way and it's possible away.
Yeah, that's a lot Not in here.
I just got to buy a new houseto fit your rig in.

Jason (38:21):
I just need a new house.
There you go, yeah man.

Erick (38:24):
So we'll figure that one out later.

Jason (38:27):
But even with a 48 display or a 55, you're sitting
so far back that, yes, you havethat immersion thing, but then
everything around you is nowvisible, like the floor things
around you.
So I think 42 or even even 48still is is kind of a sweet spot

(38:49):
.
I, I, I think I wouldn't wantanything larger than these,
especially here, no way.
Um, then the top monitor had tobe upgraded.
I think I mentioned that it.
I had a had a 27 inch on thetop and it just didn't look
right.
Because now I'm sitting, nowthe rig is positioned in front
of the rig and it used to bethat the monitors were sitting

(39:12):
in like basically right, just onmy shaft, on the wheel shaft,
yeah, and then looking up, youlook up and it looks fine
because you're right there.
But when you move the entirething behind it and you're
looking, at it at this angle,going up like that, then it
looks kind of small.

(39:32):
Yeah, it's doable.
And that one is not OLED.
We don't need that top monitorto be OLED.
You can go over and get you.
You know what I'm saying, Timo.
Go over and get whatever.

Erick (39:46):
I just went with an.

Jason (39:46):
LG, a regular, what is it ?
1440p, that's fine for the topmonitor, rob Markman.

Erick (39:54):
Yeah, rob Markman, yeah, rob Markman, ips Rob.

Jason (39:56):
Markman.

Erick (39:57):
So I did have one other question, knowing that you went
from non-OLED to OLED.
One thing I think about a lotfor my TV is glare.
Has that been an issue for you?
Because I have an older OLED Iknow that was.
I had to buy blackout curtainsand everything to try to control
that.
Have they gotten any betterwith those?

Jason (40:19):
new ones.
That is a great point and Ishould have.
So I make sure that the lightsare off because I can see the
light bulb of my light insidethe screen.
So that is one thing.
You do need a relatively darkroom to really appreciate them.
So, eric, you are correct, butthis room is fully lit and, as

(40:41):
you can see now, the chicane isreflecting on a black screen,
but because it's black, but assoon as I get color, there's no
reflections on this one.
So it does decent.
It does a decent job.

Erick (40:55):
Okay.
So it gets bright enough tokind of combat that.
Yes, it does.
Okay, that was it does a decentjob, it's just so it gets
bright enough to kind of combatthat.
Yes, it does Okay.

Jason (41:01):
That was Ideally a pitch dark room and you will
appreciate it even more becausethe blacks are just murdered out
.
Blacks, I mean it's off.
They're black, it means off.
It's great, and I tuned it to.
I took a car on iRacing on atrack that doesn't have lights

(41:22):
and the sim was warning me thatthis track doesn't have lights.
You race at your own risk.
It's kind of cool.
It did that, oh wow.
And then you go on the trackand you turn the lights off on
the car.
And that's when I was fineadjusting the actual black
levels of the monitor to makesure that when light comes into
the cockpit that I can still seedetail.

(41:44):
I didn't want it to be justpitch black, but when I use my
phone and take pictures of it,it doesn't.
It doesn't no, no, it's not thesame.
But now you can see the imagechange.
There's really no reflectionsgoing on.
You guys take a look and see.

Jeff (42:01):
And you got a really, really nice room with your rigs,
jason, where you can controlthe lights and stuff like that.
Yeah, it's a great you knowdesigned room for a rig.

Jason (42:13):
And I mean even your rig, I mean your room, jeff.
I see it now, especially sinceyou race at night, you take full
advantage of these.
If you decided that you wantedto make the jump for OLED
displays, you come over, bro.
I don't want to come over.
It's all over for you.
I don't want to come over.

Jeff (42:31):
I don't want to come over.

Erick (42:32):
It's all over for you, dude, I'm telling you-'s trying
to make us all spend this money,man.
That's why I blame Jason.

Jason (42:38):
This is five years in the making, guys.
This isn't that.
I just did this overnight, sojust know that.
Okay, and Labor Day, salehappened and I couldn't.
I was like dude, we recordedthe episode on the podcast.
I have one week to build thisback here, because I didn't want

(43:01):
no construction zone back there.
It needed to be a fitness thingfor you guys, or to have a nice
look, presentable.
I mean, I could have cheated,right, eric?
I could have just thrown allthis shit in this chair and you
would have never seen nothing.
But I didn't know what it wasgoing to look like.
I didn't know that the chairwas.
I didn't know.

Erick (43:19):
But yeah, the chair, I was trying to give you an out.
I was like man, you can kind ofplay it up.
Get you some little yellowunder construction tape.

Jason (43:28):
I looked for it man.
I looked for it man, I foundsome, and I was like, nah, I
don't know man.

Jeff (43:38):
It Like nah, I don't know man, it's going to look weird
Fuzzy background.
When it's all done, we willclear this background up, but
until then, that would have beeninteresting, I think.

Erick (43:46):
Yeah, I don't blame you.
I would not have slept untilthose old ladies were up, though
I can't lie.
I tell you what though?

Jeff (43:54):
You got this new toy, new thing you want to get out there
yeah.

Jason (43:58):
Yeah, yeah, when things are different, I will say this,
guys, things are different whenyou already have all the cables
routed.
You already have all thehardware installed in place, you
know where it goes.
So the hardest thing waschanging the wires instead of

(44:20):
going forward to backward, andwhat I did was I mounted.
Thank you, michael from the SimRacing Den for giving me some
advice, because they have motionrigs.
He has a motion rig and he wassharing some of his ideas, ideas

(44:44):
and, yeah, I mounted a 16 portdown there underneath the seat,
um, uh, bolted onto the profile.
So anything that's going on withthe rig is down here and it's
it's significantly easier towork on, because now there's not
a nightmare of cables backthere.
The only cables that are backthere are particularly the
soundbar, which is up here topof the thing, the monitor, the

(45:06):
lights, the TVs themselves andthe screen and my cameras for
streaming and lighting.
That's it, and I like it likethat because I can go back there
.
It's a nice opportunity to docable management, because doing
this just for the heck of it, Iwould have never, never, done

(45:27):
that.

Jeff (45:28):
I think it's like you get the rig just the way you want it
, with cable management and then, like tweaking stuff here and
there and eventually it's thebird's nest that you're just
dreading.
Going back there and cleaning.

Jason (45:41):
You rip it all apart and start over.

Jeff (45:43):
It's like I'm to the point Like I don't even want to move
my body because behind me it'slike a dumpster fire Cables
everywhere that just have to getrecleaned up.
But I'm pumped for you, dude.
It looks cool.
Can't wait to eventually getover there and check it out.

Jason (45:58):
If I'm pumped for you, dude, it looks cool.
Can't wait to eventually getover there and check it out.
If you come over, it's all over.

Jeff (46:01):
But I welcome you to come over anytime you want.

Jason (46:03):
I've always said I got my eye on it and again this isn't
a flex.
It's not a flex.
I'm truly trying to be thatperson that you can ask a
question, Because I took a riskwith a lot of money.
I came home with these.
I didn't know what the hell wasgoing to happen when I plugged
these in.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I just I picked them upand I wired everything all in

(46:28):
good faith and I installed them,hooked them up and I was like I
turned the PC on.
I was like sweet baby Jesus,please let this work.
It's like okay, okay, we posted, we're good.
And then some fine tweaking andI don't have any frame stutters
, I don't have any latency, Idon't have any lag, I'm still

(46:53):
getting.
I lock my frame rate at 120because I dual stream.
I like to have a little morebandwidth for the stream so that
way everything runs smooth,everything runs on a single PC.
If I had a streaming PC then Icould probably abuse more of the
power, but I think 120 isplenty for anybody.

(47:17):
That's another discussion thatwe could talk about.
Because, there's apparentlysuperhumans out there that can
see over 120 frames a second andthey'll probably drop a comment
, and I love you all and Iwelcome you to drop a comment
below or email us.
That would be great.
We'll be at the expo, though,while you're typing that away,
or we'll be to drop a commentbelow or email us that would be

(47:38):
great.

Erick (47:38):
I don't know who you are.

Jason (47:38):
We'll be at the expo, though, while you're typing that
away, or we'll be.
Yeah, we'll still be in Chicagoarea Monday.

Jeff (47:45):
I think the better answer to that is, even if you could
like you're sacrificing otherthings Like you could be
refreshing a better qualitypicture.

Jason (47:53):
That's okay, that's okay.

Jeff (47:55):
You know to like, to what end You're going to add more you
could be getting.

Jason (48:02):
No, it's just talking points.
Oh, I got 400 frames, a secondthat I can't even see.
Oh, and the monitor can't evenrefresh that high, exactly.
Yeah, so the 400 frames isirrelevant.
Yeah, that's like taking a aglass of water right and filling
it and and fill it all the wayto the top and letting the water

(48:26):
spill out.
You can't, you can't, you can'tfill it.

Jeff (48:31):
This can't drink it as fast as it's exactly the cup.

Jason (48:34):
The cup is only.
The cup has a capacity.
You pass the capacity, you'rejust wasting frames.
The frames are just going intoframe space.

Jeff (48:43):
You get some frames.
Everybody gets frames, you getsome frames, frames for
everybody.

Erick (48:48):
Exactly.

Jason (48:48):
It's rain and frames.
You know what I'm saying.

Erick (48:50):
Yeah, man.

Jeff (48:55):
Well, hopefully we will have had some time in some
motion rigs and uh podium.

Jason (49:02):
One will be there, and that means that cubic will be
there, and cubic is the one thatI am.
Have the tractor beam on me too.

Jeff (49:11):
You too, okay, good I think for a different product,
different for the bts the thebelt tensioner you damn right.
I'm looking at that so that'sanother thing, that because I
think you can you can invokemotion that way too like there's
a lot of tensioner and you'regonna want motion one thing
leads to another a lot of dudesin the flight sim world use it
because it can simulateacceleration and g's, so I view

(49:35):
it as hey.
I could get some double use outof it in racing and in the
flight.
Just need to find a place herein Conus that has it.
It's brutal having findinganybody here in the States that
has it, but yeah, I hope to giveit a try.
Well, yeah, I mean maybeconvince them to sell me one
there, I there.

Erick (49:59):
I mean that would be, hey man, you don't have to lock
this thing home yeah, hey.
Smart man, that's the idearight there.
Man Check it.

Jason (50:04):
There's so many things over there that we haven't seen
yet but we've seen yet.

Jeff (50:09):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I know we're pumped.
If you can't tell.

Jason (50:22):
Yeah, yeah, we're ecstatic.
I'm more happy to see thepeople.
I'm more happy to meet Eric andmeet Michael and hang out with
the guys.
The formal interviews that wehave lined up they're awesome.
They're awesome people.
But the main thing for me is tojust, you know, the gathering
is what I'm going to call thisthe fellowship, the brotherhood,
the pilgrimage.

Erick (50:40):
Yeah, there you go.
And that's hey, you said a wordthe fellowship bro.
We really want this to be likea yearly thing, Like we'll have
anything like this in the US, sothis can be that thing.
You know, maybe Junior Texasthing, Maybe Junior takes the
show on the road, rotate arounda little bit.
Vegas yeah for sure, hawaiiJust throwing ideas out.

(51:05):
We've got to get the first oneout the way first.

Jason (51:10):
Yeah, guys, again, email the show or comment below at
thechicanepodcasts at gmailcomIf you have any questions.
It could be big, small monitors, it could be whatever size, odd
sizes, triple wide.
Whatever you want to do, we'llget to it and we'll cover it and
I'll give you the best advice,and the guys here will as well.

(51:34):
We'll all give you the bestadvice we could possibly can to
help you achieve what you'retrying to achieve.
I think we got one more topicfor today.
Again track of the week.
I apologize for the lack oftrack of the week.
It must wait, but again, it'snot like think about it this

(51:57):
guys, think about it like this.
It's not like they're makingtracks every year so at some
point we might run out of tracksto do so.
I don't feel too bad, but thatsegment is still part of this
show.
It's very dear to me and thenext one up is awesome, but we
just this is a lot of time forthat one.

Erick (52:20):
It's a lot of sim news, racing news is good.

Jason (52:24):
It's the season, right, sim racing season.

Erick (52:28):
Yeah for sure.
But with that speaking of newstuff coming out and it being
sim racing season, I did want totalk about a little bit of
hardware.
I know we got the expo comingup so we're going to be flooded,
but I did want to just touch onthese real quick, since we were
they did announce before, whichI think now might have been a

(52:50):
little strategic, so I'm gonnashare my screen real quick.
Yeah, so a little companycalled Moza.
They came out with somethingcalled the R21 Ultra DD
wheelbase.
If it's not clear, it's 21newton meters.
They also have one that's 25newton meters.
But the thing that's mostinteresting to me is the price.

(53:13):
This is $700.
And regardless of how you feelabout Moses, $700 is nothing to
sneeze at, that's you know.
You gotta show us what you'reworking with for that type of
price point, and that's for theR21.

Jason (53:32):
I have some comments with these, but keep going.

Erick (53:35):
And I'll kind of go over both of them, the, the pricing,
and then we got like a littlequick little look at some of the
key features.
So, like I say, this is the r25, this is the ultra true torque
dd, wheelbase, 900 bones, allright, so I kind of taught them
some of the latest stuff thatI've seen some other people like
Sun Magic talking about thezero-cogging, all new force

(53:58):
feedback algorithm and you knowencoder.
And just kind of like a quickoverview, one of the things they
were mentioning is the flatwire motor that supposedly gives
them the zero-coggingcapability which you know, I
guess, kind of being a.
You know, I guess kind of beinga, you know, having never

(54:21):
really cared about cogging, oreven I don't even know if I'm
aware of cogging, or when Iexperienced it, I don't know how
big of a selling point.
Oh, you're spoiled, bro.

Jason (54:35):
You came in at a at a nice time.

Erick (54:38):
Cogging used to be a thing on the Fanatec bases
mainly.
Oh yeah, Okay when the wheelwas off.

Jason (54:41):
You can feel it literally going.

Jeff (54:43):
Oh, okay, that's cog, because I had that on my Fanatec
.
Only when it was off that younoticed it when it was on.
I don't think you felt it.

Jason (54:51):
No, you don't.
That's why I don't think it'srelevant when people complain
about cogging, you're like whatare you not turning your DDU on?

Erick (55:00):
Yeah, you practicing with it off you practicing with it
off, I mean yeah, go ahead.

Jason (55:07):
Yeah, please continue before we get grilled on this
one again.

Erick (55:12):
Of course, man, we got to stir up some trouble every time
.
So this is interesting.
They're saying sustained 21newton meter torque output.
So it's not peak, this issustained, which I think is
interesting.
You know 21 bit magneticencoder, which I can't really

(55:36):
speak to the specific benefitsbecause I think it's going to be
down to the same.

Jason (55:41):
Rob Markman.
So 21 Newton sustain is plentyof feedback for anybody, and
then when it comes to raw power,that's a pretty powerful base.
This is the Ultra right we'relooking at.
Yeah, Rob.

Erick (55:52):
Markman no Well, so this is the Ultra, but they have one
above it.
They have a 25 Newtonnm as well.
Okay, looking for it right here, just kind of like a quick
overview of what they have.
So the sustained 21-nm oftorque, cnc machined aluminum
housing, 21-bit encoder,high-density flat wire motor,

(56:13):
ultra-low cogging torque, 600MHz, high-performance CPU,
refined design with RGBcustomization and cloud-based
app configuration, and I'll saythe app piece is interesting.

Jason (56:26):
Why do we need RGB on wheelbases, bro?
I'm sorry.

Jeff (56:31):
Can you say it louder for those?

Erick (56:32):
in the back RGB everything, man.
You ain't going fast if youain't got RGB man, or at least
they're telling us, us they'regonna turn it off at least let
me turn it off, but don't addlike I don't want that stuff.
Don't make it more expensive byadding that crap yeah, that's
definitely uh I mean, look, Idon't know they just saw sim

(56:52):
magic and was like hey, throwsome rgbs on it.

Jason (56:56):
I know we gave SID Magic a hard time.
Put duct tape or electricaltape over that I know and ruined
the finish, the nice CNCbeautiful finish.

Erick (57:07):
So I mean, if you can actually tie telemetry to it.
I mean, it might make for someextra information you have a
wheel in front of the face, bro.
Well, I mean just like as faras ambient lighting.
So if you have a monitor aboveit or if it's somewhere and it's
just more feedback I'm sayingthat because I'm struggling for

(57:32):
information right now.
So I'm like man, just knowingmore, seeing more.
Maybe that was kind of the idea, but then you have the option
to cut it off.

Jason (57:43):
You need a DDU, eric.
That's what you need.
That will solve all yourinformation needs Promise.
Or a wheel with a screen thatPorsche wheel that we saw.
I hope you pick that up, yeahjust buy that one.

Jeff (57:59):
Hey, I appreciate you wanting that for me.

Erick (58:00):
Just buy it.
Just buy it, I really do.
Yeah, man.
Hey, I appreciate you wantingme to have that.

Jeff (58:06):
Jason's in partnership with you.
We'll take a quick look at thatAll of them.

Jason (58:11):
Bro, I'm telling you we got a promotion going.

Erick (58:14):
Tell them to cut the check, Jason, because you
deserve it.

Jason (58:17):
I'll tell them, I'll ask them if they'll take a
post-dated check actually, justin case.

Erick (58:26):
But yeah, so this is the R25 Ultra True Torque.
I hate when people come up withsilly names and stuff.

Jason (58:34):
I will say this I like the look of the motor.
It looks sleek, it looks it's athe motor.

Erick (58:40):
It looks sleek.
It's a nice look, rob Markman.

Jason (58:41):
I'm interested in the size.
It looks small, it lookscompact.

Erick (58:43):
Rob Markman.
Yeah, yeah, because the olderMoza stuff was kind of huge Like
the R12 and they had the bigkind of plastic shiny housing on
them.
Look kind of gaudy.

Jason (58:57):
Rob Markman, the biggest con bro with Moza right now and
I'll tell you now SimHub.
There's no SimHubcompatibleness with any other
stuff.
They have their own pit houseapplication that controls LEDs

(59:18):
and everything, but there's noDNnr, nothing.
There's no lovely dashboard ifthere's no sim in their defense.

Jeff (59:25):
My sim magic doesn't have anything.
I don't think I control any ofit through sim hub but you can
if you wanted to.
Like you can do, like peakpower and all those settings
through SimHub.

Jason (59:41):
Yes.

Jeff (59:43):
That's news to me.

Jason (59:44):
You can control.
No, you can't control peakpower, sorry.

Jeff (59:49):
You can control pedals.
You can control pedals.
You can control pedals and allthat other stuff.
Mistake yes, you're right aboutthat.

Jason (59:54):
You can control pedals and handbrakes as well, and
clutch and everything you can'tnot yet I'll bet you anything
that that'll be baked in heresoon.
But I mean for the ecosystem,not so much the wheelbase.

Erick (01:00:10):
Oh, you like the wheels.
The wheels Are Moza wheels notsupported in SimHub.
No, no, oh, that's nuts.
Okay, you have to use pit house.

Jason (01:00:20):
You know what I mean.
I'm just talking about the Mozabrand.
I wish that these LEDs, forexample, on the side of the
wheel, that I can use a profileon SimHub, because I have other
things that are profile ready.
I don't want to use a differentapp.
Is what I'm saying?
That's an opinion, though.

(01:00:40):
I mean I'm pretty sure we havesome Moza fans on here and
they're making good stuff,they're putting out stuff and
they're trying to improve thingshere.
Hey, I will say this Does it goover slew rate?
Because I haven't seen thatNobody likes to talk about slew
rate.
They only mention forcedfeedback.
Yeah, and I haven't to talkabout slew rate.

Erick (01:01:00):
They only mention force feedback.
Yeah, and I haven't seenanything about slew rate at all.
That's the only thing peoplecare about, right?

Jason (01:01:05):
Most people care about the feedback.

Erick (01:01:08):
Right, yeah, they don't want that number, man, they just
want the number.

Jason (01:01:12):
But then slew rates and just overall smoothness of the
motor and feedback resolutiontoo.
Nice looking motor, though I'lltell you I'll give it to them.
That's some.
That's a beautiful lookingpiece of hardware.
It's very close to the price ofa semi-cube, or yeah, I was

(01:01:35):
gonna ask about that acetek, too, is a great option so another.

Jeff (01:01:39):
I got a.
I'm sorry to cut you off, jason, that's about it.

Jason (01:01:44):
That's all I was going to say.
Okay.

Jeff (01:01:46):
I have a question for you, gentlemen, a proposal when
we're done with this one, overthis one or that one.
I did some quick littleresearch here and I brought
another direct drive wheelwheelbase up here and I'm going
to show it.
And I want just a quick.
Which one would you pick, themoza or the one I'm about to

(01:02:07):
share?
So I will share this real quick.

Jason (01:02:11):
Have at it and let's see it, let's see it, bro.
Let the debate commence.

Jeff (01:02:21):
So you got Acetec and Moza .
All right, this one is 18Newton meters.
I think that you could arguethat I would take the Moza.
Acetec is probably a top two orthree.
It is when it comes to when itcomes to, you know the fine

(01:02:41):
fidelity details of you knowfeedback.

Jason (01:02:46):
And their QR system is next level.

Jeff (01:02:51):
So this is what 150 bucks more and you're getting three
less Newton meters.

Jason (01:02:55):
But it's an entry level wheelbase.

Erick (01:02:59):
Because a Forte is is a uh-huh well, I was 40 is their
entry level or no.

Jeff (01:03:07):
Actually 40 is their mid-tier, sorry here I'll show
you the pre-movement togetheryeah, the.

Jason (01:03:12):
Prima.

Jeff (01:03:13):
The Prima is their lower or so this, I picked this one.
This was, you know, the closestit got with the Newton meters.

Erick (01:03:21):
We're just comparing.

Jason (01:03:22):
Yeah.

Erick (01:03:23):
Go ahead, brian.
I was going to say for Moza for$899,.
You're getting 25 Newton meters.
Yeah, so the argument is.

Jeff (01:03:31):
Big jump.
Yeah, I mean Acetec.
People claim that it is atop-tier, Not saying Moza's not,
but I think most people wouldargue that acetac is a top tier.

Jason (01:03:43):
ddu it's that semi-cube level, yeah, 100.
So if you had to pick onesacrifice, pay more.

Jeff (01:03:49):
Pay 150 bucks more for a my words, not anybody else's a
better quality.
Something's going to provideyou a little bit more finer
fidelity feedback, but you'resacrificing three Newton meters.

Erick (01:04:04):
Jason, where are you at?
Well, seven Newton meters.

Jeff (01:04:08):
How much did you say yours was, or the Moza was?

Erick (01:04:12):
The 25 Newton meters.

Jason (01:04:14):
Oh, I thought it was 21.
I'm sorry, with a holding of 21.
Okay, we would need to see theother specs on the other
wheelbase, but just by judgingon the numbers, which is what
most people do, and we're apodcast, so we only have a few
minutes to go over this verylightly, very gently, just so

(01:04:36):
you know and a quick correction.

Erick (01:04:39):
the 25 has a sustained to 25 new meters.

Jeff (01:04:44):
Okay, so it's sustained to 25.

Jason (01:04:46):
Okay, good, so then that's an easy winner.
Right, there is the 25.
When it comes to raw power, Iwould need to see more.
I would like to try them,because there's no real way to
know until you try something.
I would like to try them,because there's no real way to
know until you try something.
I would like to try them and Iprobably tried some of them at

(01:05:08):
the expo.
I don't think these guys werethere, though.
I don't think I don't thinkthey're going, but I would love
to try them because there'shonestly.
We can talk about specs all dayand I can talk to you about my
experience and the gents.
They have some magic stuff, andEric has had Logitech.

(01:05:28):
Jeff started with a Fanatec, hestarted with a Ferrari, or he
started with a.
What did he start with?
What can I say?
He started with Eric, hestarted with a Lexus, and then
went on to a.
Ferrari.

Erick (01:05:42):
Yeah, yeah Took it to the next level.
I started with a Civic.

Jason (01:05:47):
And now I you know just honestly, because the average
consumer is looking at well, howmany Newton meters is what
people are using, is what peopleare using?
But then you also have to thinkabout how many hertz, what sim,

(01:06:07):
are you using it in slew rates?
There's a lot.
There's a lot to a wheelbasebut, honestly speaking, in the
year 2025, you really can't gowrong with the options out there
.
They're all really good fromwhat I've seen and from what
I've tested.

Jeff (01:06:24):
You make a good point that the top tier and entry level is
starting to get closer.

Jason (01:06:31):
Yeah, very close when your top tier is going to really
have to justify the price.
Right Now it's about ecosystem.
So Moza has its ecosystem.
Moza has quick releases, Acetekthey have an ecosystem.
They have wheels, pedals, theyhave their own quick release
system.

(01:06:52):
Semi-cube same thing.
They have their own pedals,their own active pedal.
They have their own wheels.

Erick (01:07:01):
So it's like what Rob Markman Jr.
Moza has an active pedal too.
I forgot about that, robMarkman Jr.
The Moza yes, rob Markman Jr.
Yeah, they got an active pedal.
So, thinking about ecosystem,if you're trying to go that
route, that's another RobMarkman Jr.

Jason (01:07:14):
Exactly, it's part of an ecosystem.
So that's kind of where we'reat right now is what ecosystem
do you want to be part of?
You know so.

Erick (01:07:27):
It's a great time to be a sim racer.

Jason (01:07:29):
That was an interesting topic, man.
That wasn't in the show notes.
You know, jeff, that was agreat one.
I love it A lot of stuff outthere.

Jeff (01:07:39):
You got to choose from, which is a good and bad problem,
because there's so much stuffto choose from.

Erick (01:07:44):
Yes, yeah.
This is why I'm excited to goto the expo, because even if I
can't afford the best, I'll havemore confidence by testing some
of the best.
I know it's set up by theactual manufacturer and so when
I come back it'll give me moreinsight into where my setup
really ranks and what I reallywant to strive for.

(01:08:06):
Because in my mind, looking atstuff online, looking at numbers
, you kind of know what the topnumber is.
You kind of feel like, well, Ishould strive for that number,
but it might be well, I sat downand I tried this.
You know rig and it had a 25Newton meter wheelbase and
really my 18 or my 20, you knowI'm really good, but the pedals

(01:08:31):
are really where I felt thedifference, or the shifter or
the seat or something like that.
So that's, I'm excited aboutthat man.

Jason (01:08:40):
See.
Another thing I will say with awheel base is that it needs
time.
If I invited you over my houseright now and you jumped in my
sim and you love to feel thewheel and then you go home and
you buy one, it's not going tobe the same because you need to
dial it in.
So when you go to the expoyou's not going to be the same
because you need to dial it in.
So when you go to the expo,you're not going to have that

(01:09:03):
much time to dial settings toyour preference.
So that's just something tokeep in mind too.
It might seem like they'resimilar, like it's all the same
and it's because it's too fast.
You know, those things take alittle time to get them dialed

(01:09:23):
in just right, and I don't knowwho's dialing them in.
You know what I mean.
I know we have manufacturersover there and we have
professionals over there, buthow much time did they have to
really dial these guys in?
You know?
Know what I mean.
But at least it'll give you aglimpse of what you think you
can achieve with it once you getit in your hands and once you

(01:09:46):
put it in your rig.
That's the reality of it.
Pedals same thing.
If I tighten my pedals all theway to max, you're like I don't
like this pedal, but then youdidn't even adjust it.
How do you know you didn't likethe pedal?
You didn't even get a chance toput a wrench on it and get it
and really test it.

(01:10:06):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, so that's kind of whatI'm hoping for With motion.
They're going to be upset withme because I'll be like all
right, turn it down, all rightturn it up, all right.
turn it up, all right.

(01:10:30):
Change the angle.
They'll be like listen, you hadyour time.

Erick (01:10:33):
Time's up.
You need to go.
There's a line behind you too.

Jason (01:10:34):
Come on, let's go Run it again.

Erick (01:10:36):
Buy or get out.
That's what you're going to do.

Jason (01:10:38):
It didn't work, run it again, all right, guys.
Thank you so much, eric forsharing the wheelbases, and Jeff
also great question.
Sometimes it's hard to explainto someone what slew rate will
feel like or what thedifferences are, especially when

(01:11:00):
someone that doesn't have awheelbase to compare it to.
At that level, if you had aneight newton meter and now
you're shopping for two motorsthat do, one of them does 25,
one of them's 18, but you knowdamn well that you're not going
to be using 18 or 25.
So how do you buy?
But you know damn well thatyou're not going to be using 18
or 25.
So how do you buy?
You know what I'm saying?

(01:11:23):
It's kind of.
It's kind of it's a hard choice.
You know the more things thatcome out and then they add these
LEDs to them and they add thenice, cute, beautiful software
behind it.
So just keep in mind.

Jeff (01:11:37):
Marketing.

Jason (01:11:38):
Marketing.
Oh yeah, in a nutshell, make mewant mind Marketing.
Marketing.
Oh yeah, In a nutshell, make meone on one, yeah.
So any roundtables, guys.
That's all we got for this week.
I'm excited We'll have somefresh coverage for you guys on
everything that went down.
Of course, just give us alittle time, because we're in

(01:11:59):
the, we're recording in the pastand you're watching in the
future, so yeah anything,anything.
We all good to go break latefellas okay, we're gonna.

Jeff (01:12:11):
We're gonna fly fast and break early because we're flying
and just yeah, do what you gotto do to put this thing down put
her down.

Erick (01:12:19):
Save Jr, put her down.
Save me, rob Markman Jr, andI'll be seeing you guys in
person, nick, so I can't wait.

Jason (01:12:24):
Rob Markman Jr.
Hell yeah.

Erick (01:12:25):
My boy.

Jason (01:12:25):
Eric, I get to meet you man Rob Markman Jr.
Yeah, rob.

Erick (01:12:30):
Markman Jr, We've talked about this thing.

Jeff (01:12:35):
Rob Markman Jr.

Jason (01:12:36):
That's it, man.
The two homeboys get to share adrink.
And we got another homeboy fromCanada that's going to be there
.
We got all kinds of people thatare going to be there.
And to all you fans, if youguys are there and you recognize
us, come up and say hi, man, wewon't bite.
I mean, this already happened.
It's kind of relevant.

Jeff (01:12:56):
Yeah, that's true, it's kind of I'm a little we're happy
to all met you all.

Jason (01:13:01):
I was happy to meet you all first of all, and we were
all excited to be there with youand enjoy that time that we had
with you.
That already happened.
So, and with that guys, thankyou so much and have a great
start of your week, Thank you.