Sim Racing VR Guide 2025

Diving headfirst into the virtual reality revolution transforming sim racing, we explore the landscape of VR headsets available in 2025. From budget-friendly options to premium experiences, we break down what matters most when choosing your perfect racing companion.

The Meta Quest 3 emerges as our top recommendation at $499, offering a compelling mix of features including 120Hz refresh rate, automatic IPD adjustment, and versatility beyond racing. We compare it against premium options like the Pimax Crystal ($1599) with its superior QLED display, discussing whether the significant price difference justifies the enhanced visual experience.

Beyond specifications, we tackle the real-world challenges of racing in VR—managing heat during extended sessions, finding comfort with a device strapped to your face, and the inevitable cable management dance. These practical considerations often get overlooked in technical reviews but can make or break your VR racing experience.

We also highlight which racing titles deliver the best VR implementation, with iRacing, Assetto Corsa (especially with Content Manager), and Automobilista 2 standing out for their immersive qualities. Content Manager deserves special praise for transforming AC into perhaps the most complete VR racing experience, allowing you to walk around your car and examine details in ways other titles can't match.

Throughout our discussion, we emphasize that VR represents just one approach to sim racing, not inherently superior to traditional monitor setups. The best configuration is ultimately the one that brings you enjoyment within your budget constraints—whether that's VR, triples, or a single ultrawide.

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Episode Transcript

Jason (00:20):
The Hello and welcome to the Chicane Podcast, where we
discuss all things in the simracing world.
I'm your host, Jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by Mr Eric

(00:41):
Kelly and Jeff Smart.
How's everyone doing today?

Jeff (00:45):
Doing good man.
Happy to be here.
Dude, best part of the week.
Great seeing you.
Gentlemen, as always Ready toget into it.

Jason (00:51):
Hell yeah, man, I'm excited.
I'm excited to be here.
It was a great week.
Last week we had George Anzaldofrom the Sim Gaming Expo, which
we're a week less away.
It's still forever away.

Jeff (01:04):
Clicking them off.
We'll get there, we'll getthere, man yeah calm down, man.
I think George is like hey,don't wish this time away, man,
he's working his ass off forthis thing.

Erick (01:13):
He really is man.
Yeah, he's grinding for real.

Jason (01:16):
That man is on overtime plus.

Jeff (01:19):
We don't even know what that means Exactly needs.
Yeah, so exactly, he's uhbouncing off the rev limiter.

Jason (01:24):
Yeah, he is man.
So I mean, last week it wasgreat we announced the opening
of the uh, the tgsr store.
She came podcast both.
Both brands are in there and Igot lucky, very lucky, to
receive two pieces of merchtoday.
And here is the official mugdang that looks nice.

(01:45):
It's already being used andabused.

Jeff (01:47):
You can see some of the condensation.

Jason (01:49):
I know you can see the.
I was going to say there'scoffee in here, but you know
what happens when you score thatlow.

Jeff (01:55):
You know what's in there?
It's that same bottle that wewere drinking on that night,
Jeff.

Erick (02:02):
That's in the freezer.
You missed the opportunity,Jason.
You could have said there'ssome iced coffee in there.

Jason (02:07):
There's some iced coffee in there.
I can't confirm or deny.

Jeff (02:12):
It's literally straight, no chaser today.

Jason (02:15):
It is man, it is.
We got to stay hydrated.
On the Chicane Podcast.
I also got this cool coasterChicane Podcast.
It's already being banged upand thrown around.
I am not treating this with anycare.
I'm putting it to the absolutetest.
So I'm very happy with thequality.

(02:36):
I was a little, I was a littleworried about that because the
store was so new, but then Imade sure and I basically
ordered the entire store.
So just to make sure thatquality checks and make sure
that if you want to support theshow, that you get something
that's going to last you.
You know what I mean.
That's something that's goodand worth it.
So that's one announcement.

(02:57):
For my second one, I'm reallyexcited to announce the
streaming I stream every Tuesdayand Wednesday.
Now it's on schedule for Twitch, but I am adding a YouTube
stream which is the same exactstream.
And just a fair warning, youknow it's very raw and uncut and
unfiltered in there.
So straight, no chaser.

(03:18):
Same thing we say here on theshow.
So if you want to join us,y'all been warned.
I think Eric might join thetrain on this with the GRL
racing.
We're still missing, jeff, butwe'll get there, we're.
We're summer's approaching, somaybe we'll have a little more
time to do things, who knows?
Um, but uh, yeah, that's,that's about it.

Jeff (03:40):
I want to see me out there in a sports car.

Jason (03:43):
Oh, oh, I know, trust me, I know you have something to
say very soon about this.
So the next one up is EricKelly for announcements.
So what you got for us today,man, how was your week?

Erick (03:55):
Man, my week was good.
Didn't do much racing Didn'tget to race Tuesday but outside
of that doing mostly familystuff.
And my youngest daughter hadher first soccer game this past
Thursday and I know the littlekids.
They beat the brakes off ofthem 5-0.
I'll take it.

(04:18):
The cheetahs Go cheetahseverybody Go cheetahs, go
cheetahs.
Yep, it's funny because ofcourse we're like you had a good
time, you won your race.
I mean, you won your game.
How do you feel about soccer?
You know you went to practiceand hit the game.
She's like it was fine, but Idon't think this is going to
work long term.
This is a five-year-old.
She said it like that yeah,like I don't think this is going

(04:40):
to work long.

Jason (04:40):
I wonder where she gets that from.
Interesting Kids say thefunniest things Look.

Erick (04:45):
So the thing that she really wasn't there for was, you
know, at that age it'sbasically like herding cats, so
whenever the ball's in the field, all the kids just kind of
hurtle around it and she kind oflike bounces around the outside
.
And when the ball kind ofsquirts out, then she goes for

(05:06):
it, but all the kids being alltogether bunched up, she's not
really feeling that.
So I got to talk to her and belike hey, that's kind of how it
is right now.
But no, move up, once kidslearn their positions, things
will work out a little bitbetter.
But yeah, we're working on it.
We're working on it.
That sounds like a fun week,man, that's what's up.

Jason (05:18):
You got your win.
She's probably super happy.
That's what's up.

Erick (05:24):
that's what's up, wear outfit, you know oh yeah, oh
yeah, 100%.

Jason (05:28):
I saw you in the suit too , eric.
Any excuse, eric has to wear asuit.
Bro, you'll see him and he'llbe on social media front and
center.
Yo, check me out my suit oh manlook clean yeah, he be looking
clean out there sharp yeah, thatwas last weekend.

Erick (05:44):
We had the father-daughter dance.

Jason (05:47):
Yeah, I'm telling you, it's all over, yeah check me out
.
That's what's up man, that'swhat's up.
Not everything is rig racingand brakes and hard chicane
chasing corners and all thiscrap.
We got lives too.
So that's good that you madethe time for for for the fam, so
, but I hope to see you in thenext bnw race though.

(06:10):
So hey, that's, that's my goal,man.
All right, man, that's what'sup.
And what about you, jeff?
What's going on with you?
Man, I heard, uh, you know, Iheard a little bit of things,
you know.

Jeff (06:20):
But yeah, let's start with good stuff.
We had a great easter, okay hadsome family.

Jason (06:24):
Oh, happy eas, happy Easter, everybody Happy Easter.

Jeff (06:25):
Oh my God, yeah, so started off the day at the beach
and then we had a nice littledinner after, but it was good.
But now we got the pleasantriesout of the way.
Dudes, the F4 in the D classopen official races Killing me,
killing me, come on.
D-class open official raceskilling me, killing me, man bro,

(06:46):
you know like, you know whatyou know.
When there's like a hurricaneand on social media they like
boom, marked safe from whatever,I think I feel like I needed
one that said like hey, markedsafe from d-class f4 racing for
that oh no rather like two races.
I had smashed my safety and it'snot for like lack of trying,

(07:06):
Like hey, I'm going to give themlike a car lane.

Jason (07:08):
They were laying it on thick, that's what they were
doing.

Jeff (07:12):
It was just brutal.
It's brutal, like, even whenyou're like going like and
staying away from the stuff,like oh, it's a big crash over
there as they come swervingright into you know, like, ah,
like you know, know, it was justso.
Yeah, the problem is they'reconvenient right they're like
every 15 minutes.
There's a bunch of differenttracks every week.
You can jump in you can jump inand go.

(07:34):
It's super convenient.
Yeah, iracing, if you'relistening.
Make the c class moreconvenient.
Yeah, and you'll probably getmore people in them well we
don't have that many c's that'sthe problem, jeff is that I
don't know, man, but dude, youjump into a b class with this

(07:54):
like a super formula and that isas good as racing gets in the
open world.
Open wheel world.
It like those dudes can drivethe snot out of the car.
They're respectable.
Like you can go wheel to wheelopen car for as long as you need
to and you know the person's agonna give you space and isn't,
you know, is gonna race you hardbut not take you out.
Um, right but damn, those f4classes are.

Jason (08:19):
Are are convenient, but we got an f4 in the grRL, but
it's on odd hours.

Jeff (08:25):
I get it, I understand so yeah, it's like I don't know
when it is, I forget it was like3 am or something, if I did the
math on it.
Just, I love racing.
I don't love racing that muchto get up at 3 am.
Well, I get up at four everyday anyways.

Jason (08:47):
That's going to be my number one driver, and that's
because of the time zone.

Jeff (08:52):
Yeah, that works out.

Jason (08:53):
I said, mike, you're going to have to grab the wheel.
I'm going to get up at 5o'clock in the morning, start
the stream and then take myhappy ass back to bed, and then
we're going to do a 1.5 each, soan hour and a half each, and I
don't know I might just stay upfor it.
So.

Erick (09:09):
but yeah, yeah, and that's the end, that's the
endurance, right, jason athree-hour seabring multi-class.

Jason (09:18):
It's gonna be three different types of vehicles
there.
We're gonna have the bmw, themx5 and the porsche.
We'll be in the porsche, butyeah, go ahead, jeff you got one
more thing.

Jeff (09:26):
What's up?
Yeah, I am like on the fencewith a wind simulator too I just
buy the just.
I know I want the hurricane,but I don't want to pay the
hurricane price.
All right, listen, there's likethe hurricane, there's
everything else we're gonna setup a gofundme?
Yeah, we'll have links in thedescription I, I'm kidding, it's
just, I've been doing a lot ofVR driving, so it gets hot.

Jason (09:47):
Dude their fans.
They help.
However, there's another optionfor you.
So I think it's called.
I forget the name of this.
I'll put it in the link.
Okay, but it's called Bobo VRand it has a built-in fan.

Jeff (10:03):
I want the immersion too.
I'm not going to sit there andlie.

Jason (10:06):
You see how difficult Jeff is to deal with guys.
You see you give him thealternative.
He's like but I want this andI'm like all right, buy it.
He's like no, I can't do that.

Jeff (10:15):
I'm like Jeff, come on, man, I'll eventually pull the
trigger, but I'm going to bitchand moan about it.

Jason (10:26):
It for a little bit.
Yeah, that's okay.
There you go, that's okay, asexpected.
As expected, all right.
Onward and upward Okay, allright, guys.
So today, you know, we've beenspeaking about VR and I think
that it's about that time todedicate an episode here
straight on VR.
We'll have some variations inbetween, but you know, I want to
discuss the different optionsout there because there's many
and it can be scary to shoparound and it's a very open

(10:55):
thing, right.
So, because VR is like, can myhardware run it?
Can my system take it?

Jeff (11:01):
right, it's another expensive hurdle to jump to get
into it without.

Jason (11:06):
It's really hard for me to try all the different ones as
well.
Yeah, definitely yeah, what doyou care about?
Do you care about comfort?
Do you care about performance?
Do you care?

Jeff (11:13):
about visuals.
And then price is always.

Jason (11:16):
Everybody cares about a price, to a extent exactly yeah,
and it's not something that youcan plug into the pc and it
just works.
It's's nothing like that.
You have to do tinkering.
You're going to do sometinkering, especially if you're
jumping from Synth to Synth.
It's a very differentexperience on each of them.
So, with that out, the way, I amgoing to present, I think, a

(11:38):
list of what's on the marketright now and then at the end
we'll go through and we'll allexpress our recommendations on
what you guys think.
So just bear with me for onesecond and I will get my some

(12:13):
notes on the screen and somevisuals for you guys.
But we'll start from the tophere, and the list that I've
came up with is the pymaxcrystal.
There's two, there's twoversions, right, but pymax,
we'll stick with pymax crystallight and the actual pymax

(12:37):
crystal.
The meta quest 3 I would Iwould suggest the meta quest,
but that's no longer inproduction and I really don't
recommend buying a used VRheadset because you don't know
what it's been through.
It could have been dropped, oryou know you're buying something
.
If you do want to take theplunge, then make sure you test

(12:58):
it out for a good hour, I wouldsay, before purchasing something
, or if it's from someone youtrust and that purchased it and
takes care of their equipmentthe MetaQuest 2, the Samsung HMD
Odyssey Plus, the HTC Vive Pro2, and the Oculus Rift.

(13:21):
So I'm going to go through aquick rundown of the specs on
each.
But before we do that, I want totell you guys what are the cons
right when considering a VRheadset, and I want you guys to
all also chime in if you haveanything that you think I've

(13:42):
missed.
But I think a big issue ishaving to set a button to
recenter the camera.
I know a lot of Sims have fixedthis.
I know iRacing has fixed it.
So that way, when you, if youhad to take off your headset to
look at the monitor, when youput your headset back on, it
likes to auto recenter.
But that doesn't always workbecause you know what, if you're

(14:04):
not fully straight, you knowyou would have to map a button
that you can't see and pressthat button and make sure that
it's that the camera's likestraightened Right.
So this, yeah, this comfort isa, is a is a con.
It doesn't matter howcomfortable the headset is
telling you that it is.

(14:25):
It's something that's on yourhead and it's something that's
weighing your face down and 15minutes is fine, 20 minutes is
okay.
But when you start wearing thisfor an hour it can get pretty
uncomfortable and poorventilation, as Jeff was saying
earlier why he wants to have awind sim to cool him down.

(14:47):
That's a proof, that's a provenpoint, right there, and needing
to take the headset off wheneveryou want to do something Right,
unless you have a headset thathas pass through which we will
go over.
And even so, a headset withpass through is not perfect,
because you're looking atanother screen and it may be
fuzzy.

(15:07):
If your room is dark, then thecameras might not work.
They may or may not work.

Jeff (15:15):
If you're in a dark room and the screen's bright, yeah,
you're going to lose.

Jason (15:18):
Right, and I know Quest is one of my favorite headsets
because of the balance of it,which I'll go over you can use
hand track, so you don't need acontroller, but for the hand
track and the work you needlight and mixed reality, which
we'll touch on later isdependent on the room being 100%

(15:39):
dark, so forget about usingyour hands to control things.
So you're going to need to havea set of controllers nearby, at
least one to point and clickand do.
It's just.
There's a big um uh order ofoperation, if you may, with
having a vr headset and andengaging with the pc and, and

(16:02):
it's not just like having amouse.
That's right there and you justdo whatever you want to do,
except for the F1 games thatdon't support a mouse.
Yeah, I don't know how they'redoing it in VR.
So imagine you have to take theheadset off and then grab the
keyboard because we don'tsupport a mouse.

Erick (16:18):
So that's that is crazy.

Jason (16:20):
Yeah.

Jeff (16:22):
So those are some of the-.

Jason (16:23):
Yeah man, do you what?
Yeah, so those are some of theyeah man, do you what?
Do you guys feel about cons?
Right, I mentioned the ones Ifound, but do you guys have any?
I know jeff and eric are heavyinto the vr stuff, um, on both
platforms, pc and playstation.
So let's hear from you guys ifyou have anything.
If not, I'll move on yeah, it'sjust not quick.

Jeff (16:46):
If I'm going to jump in and just want to spend some laps
, I'm not going to do it in VR,but between the time you're
putting it on your head, linkingit and then displaying it.
But I don't see a big deal somuch with I have to map a button
.
I mean, there's so many otherbuttons that you're pressing and
I'm not really looking down tolook for my tear off or break

(17:08):
bias, so it's just anotherbutton that I have.
After about two races though,it's like I'm about sweated out
and just wanting to get up.
It's getting hot.

Jason (17:21):
And your house is air conditioned too.

Jeff (17:22):
Yeah, I have central air, um, but it just, it still just
gets warm.
I think for me that's thebiggest con, is just the heat.
My neck didn't, the head's nottired, it's just hot just hot,
you know okay and I turn whenI'm racing.
I have the two side monitorsare off, just the center.
One gets turned on right.
So it's not a heat from themonitors thing per se, that's a

(17:44):
smart thing you can.

Jason (17:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty smart you can.

Jeff (17:48):
You can even turn down the brightness too, and does it
automatically.

Erick (17:50):
So, yeah, okay yeah, and I forgot about that.
Y'all got a different setupthan me.
I don't have the triple, so Idon't have three heaters in my
face, I just have one bro sowhen you run these at 100%
brightness, at full refresh, themonitors get heated.

Jeff (18:11):
That's why you want that Winsome I know, that's why we
should get one.

Jason (18:19):
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
But what about you, eric?
Any cons with, I guess, psvr?
Right, right, because that'syou've yeah that's days in that
headset, not hours, days broyeah, I've got this.

Erick (18:31):
Got considerable time in the psvr2 headset, um, I'll say,
just kind of speaking on thethings, comfort wise, uh, for me
I'm able to get it like 90percent, um, but I use the
SteelSeries headset over it andso it kind of forces the headset
to kind of sit on my face alittle bit unnaturally.

(18:52):
When I don't have that on, Ican wear it with no discomfort
for hours.
I'm one of the I know that'srare, right, because I know a
lot of people.
They have motion sickness, theycomplain about the straps and
things moving.
And then from a heatperspective I'm also kind of in
a special situation.
I have a whole separate AC unitspecifically for my man cave,

(19:16):
so I can just tell.

Jason (19:18):
Okay.
My man's over there doing his.
Thing.
I hear you.

Erick (19:22):
Yeah, I can tell Google.
You know, set it to 70 degrees.
If I'm getting hot, I don'thave to take the headset off, I
don't have to do anything, itjust drops the temp.
My rig is right beneath thevent, so I know I'm in a special
situation, but that's just myexperience.
My only complaint obviouslykind of mentioned it before

(19:44):
limited availability of buttonswith the headset on psvr2 does
have pass-through.
It's not the best, but blackand white pass-through too yeah,
black and white.
Um, I can, you know, read amessage on my phone?
Um, you know, I can see enoughif I don't need to interface
with a physical button, but youdo have to, kind of, you know,
disconnect from vr for a secondto do that.

Jason (20:06):
So that is a downside to me, but that's okay so I think
one more con and this may besubjective, as to all cons,
right is the having to plugsomething in and a wire and
having to manage a wire that'scoming off the side of or the

(20:29):
back of a headset.
And sometimes it's really coolto look around in VR and when
you're beside another car you'regoing to want to look and turn
your head, and sometimes thatwire can get in the way of
something.
I was texting Jeff the otherday.

(20:51):
I was like where are yourunning the wire?
Because I was messing around,tinkering before making this
video or this episode, I wantedto really use what I have and do
a fair comparison here, basedoff the hardware that we have.
And he was telling me yeah, Ijust run it underneath the rig

(21:14):
and then it comes up through theseatbelt hole, which is kind of
genius, but it's still a wirethat you have to manage and it's
still a wire that you have toput away.
I'm being really nitpicky andit's the reason is because I
want to give you the real storywith this right.
I don't want to sugarcoatnothing and tell you that it's

(21:36):
all gravy.
You know, because a lot ofpeople, a lot of people, buy VR
headsets and they use them as acost, you know, to save on the
cost of a monitor.
With the stands, I understandthat, I get that.
Or some people don't have thespace to have a triple monitor
set up.
I mean, that's true, it depends.

(21:59):
You know, some people are on aPlayStation and they only play
PS5 and VR and and they don'tneed monitors, so they'll just
have a rig with no monitorsattached and just straight on
from the playstation.
But it is dope.
Yep, yeah, it's cool, it's it'sit's, it's an experience.

Jeff (22:17):
I would say that I'm gonna add one more thing is is it's
not, it's not impossible to setup.
You're just not gonna, ifyou're not familiar with like
stuff, like this technology,you're not going to stumble into
it working to having iRacingpush it through your cable into
your headset.
You're going to have to watch aYouTube, you know whatever

(22:38):
video, to get it figured out.
It's just not very intuitive.

Jason (22:43):
Right.
It's not easy to set up andeven after you watch that
YouTube or guide online, thatdoesn't mean that you have the
matching hardware that thatperson's using.
So you're going to still haveto go and fine tune things a
little further to get that framerate.
Because VR is very frame ratedependent, you want the highest

(23:04):
frames you can get becauseanytime that that frame dips
it's going to mess you up bigtime.
It's going to hurt your eyeswhen you see it.
Chops of visuals happen infront of your eyes.
You know what I mean and I'lltell you even with a 40-90.
Yeah, go ahead, Eric.

Erick (23:23):
I was going to say it can even make you sick too.
I know they say that's a bigcause of people to have the
motion sickness and the nauseaand stuff.
It's the lag.
Yeah, the lag.
It's not one-to-one.
Yeah, it's a big deal.

Jason (23:37):
It needs to have high frames.
But I was going to say iRacingis an old game 2008.
It's been updated.
It looks great.
It's been looking way betterlately.
Now better than ever.
But it's not ACC and it's notGran Turismo and it's not AMS2,

(23:57):
graphically, fidelity-wise.
You know what I mean.
So when I turned up thegraphics on that, I was getting
a stutter and I have a very topend machine.
So just to give you an exampleof the demand of VR, to get that
you know, that crystal clearimage with us, with a mix of

(24:18):
frames, I had to tinker and itstill did not look as good as
the game on the monitors, whichis obvious, right?
So, anywho, let's go back tothe headset comparison to give
you the rundown on what's goingon in 2025, to kind of help you
decide if you think VR is wortha shot.

(24:42):
This guide will kind of help youout a little bit.
So I mentioned the PimaxCrystal, the light and that
resolution is a 2880 by 2880.
It supports 60, 72, 90, and 120hertz.
The FOV, which is your field ofview and how wide you can see,

(25:05):
which is a very important number, is about 103 degrees.
To give you, to give youcontext with triple screens,
you're, you're, you're lookingat 180 degrees, which is the
widest view you can have rightfor for screens, I guess screens
screen-wise.
The benefits of that headset islightweight, you know, it's got

(25:32):
manual IPD adjustment and it'sa QLED display.
The problem with this one is$899 is what that thing costs US
.
Okay, not cheap.

Erick (25:42):
It's not cheap.

Jason (25:44):
So the MetaQuest 3, which I'm going to spoil it here is
my winner, my pick for anyonethat wants to get into VR.
And I'll explain why.
Once I go over the specs, soit's got a lot less resolution
here.
Why, once I go over the specs,so it's got a lot less
resolution here.
2064 by 2200, you know ish, youknow.
2208 says here up to 120 Hertzum of refresh rate.

(26:09):
Uh, it has the pancake lenses.
So those pancake lenses aresupposed to be higher quality
and they have the automaticadjustment.
So you know how people say thatthere's a sweet spot to VR.
So if you move your headsetdown, you see blurry.

(26:31):
If you move it up in the middle, you see perfect, this headset
has an automatic adjustment.
It happens automatic.
You put the headset on, you'llnever see a blurred line
anywhere.
I'm pretty sure Jeff can tellyou and I was teasing him
earlier.
I was like Jeff, you're sospoiled man.
Your first headset is like thetop of the line and it's light,
it's very compact and the priceis right guys $499 for 512

(26:57):
internal space.
It does way more than simracing.
It has it's own OS built intoit.
It has pass through, it hascolor pass through, it has hand
tracking.
It's awesome.
You know you can.
if you got kids, you can letthem use, yeah so, and it has

(27:18):
mixed reality games built intothe headset, so you you'll be
looking around the house.
You can walk around the housewith the headset on, no problem.
No problem, you see everything.
Just be careful with the boxinggames.
It's the only thing.

Erick (27:33):
Boxing games, you probably knock somebody out.
Tear something up, shoot youprobably knocked somebody out,
tear something up, shoot.

Jason (27:38):
Yeah, and one thing I remember when Jeff came over the
house and he was trying toquest three out here at my house
, I was like dude, look, you canbring this on travel.
If you travel somewhere like ahotel and you basically had a
150 inch screen of YouTube in 4K, you could lay in your bed and

(28:01):
watch YouTube and not worryabout the 32 inch inch screen
that's in most hotels out there,which are pretty trash, to be
honest.

Jeff (28:04):
Yeah, I watched f1 on them with them you watch.

Jason (28:06):
Oh, how was that?
Man, that's great yeah, it'simmersive, yeah, yeah.
So if you're, like you know,think of it like that, it's a
multi-tool, multiple, you know,use, and it's compact enough for
you to stick in a bag and takeit with you.

Erick (28:20):
Yeah, that's dope.

Jason (28:24):
Yeah.
So the Pimax Crystal, theregular version.
It has the same resolution asthe light, it goes up to 120,
but the thing you get out ofthat one is a QLED plus mini LED
display.
Uh, q led plus mini led display, which I can tell you now that
must look amazing.

(28:44):
The blacks, the inks on a on aq led is.
It's gonna blow you away.
But the thing is, yeah, itbetter, right, because uh 1599
is what we're looking at forthis headset.
It's got the auto ipd adjustment, the same as the quest, um and
eye tracking, same as the quest.
So the quest 2 is honorablemention.
It goes up to 90 from the fromthe stock, but when you plug it

(29:10):
into pcvr you can actually boostit higher.
Um, it has 115.
You know fo, fov, theresolution is 1832 by 1920.
It's you know.
Both quests are wireless capableso you can run it through Air
Link.
It doesn't need a Facebookaccount.
That's irrelevant to me.

(29:31):
It was $299 for the 128 gig and$399 for the 256.
But since I think since lastyear or late last year, they're
no longer in production so youcan get one secondhand.
But I don't recommend this oneand it's because of that, having
to adjust and find a sweet spot.

(29:52):
When you're racing, your headis moving, quick reaction If
quick, quick reaction If, if amillimeter moves on that headset
over your eyes, you lost asweet spot.
Now you got to take the handoff the wheel and you're messing
with your headset.
It's not worth it.
I would save up and get the thelatest quest just because of

(30:14):
that feature alone.
So here are the other two, orthe other three I'm going to
mention here that I'm not toofamiliar with and I think
they're older.
I think Eric can back me up onthis.
But the Samsung HMD OdysseyPlus is a 1440 by 1600, 90 Hertz
, 110 FOB AMOLED displays whichAMOLED displays are awesome, but

(30:36):
they're also also.
It's also a discontinued headsetand it was going for 499 yeah
the htc vibe pro, which a lot ofsim racers use yeah, it's a
popular one that's a verypopular one and it's because of
the resolution you know 2448 by2448 uh 90 to 120 hertz, 120 fov

(30:59):
, which is awesome.
I think that's the highest thatI've mentioned here.
It has one of the highest uhfovs out there almost by far
yeah, definitely high resolution, wireless capable, but it
requires a base station, so, andit's 700 for the headset by
itself.
So if you want the full kit,you're looking at $1,200 again.

(31:22):
And then the Oculus Rift.
Oculus Rift, excuse me, s is a1280 by 1440, 80 Hertz, 115 FOB.
It doesn't need separate, itdoesn't need sensors but, like
the majority of sensors, don'tlike the save your money and get
the quest 3 yeah, four hundreddollars so the rundown here go

(31:46):
ahead, I think I missed somebody.
Nope good to go.
So the rundown most of theseheadsets are more than capable
to deliver the frames, meaningthe hers, right.
So I would say you're lookingat a minimum of 90.
90 should be your minimum andthat means that you need to
match that 90 to 90 FPS andabove.

(32:07):
Right, it makes sense.
You want to max out the framesof your game to make it match
and sync up with the headset.
That way there's no lag.
There's nothing weird going on.
Fov subjective, but I would sayanything between 110 and above

(32:29):
is considered a great FOV.
There's things you can do toheadsets that you can change the
cover, the plate as as you mayand get the the lenses closer to
your face and increase the fov,whatever, um, but anyways,
that's the kind of the rundown Imean.

(32:51):
The winner here is a quest threeyou.
It costs 4.99.
You can probably get it usedcheaper if you want to go that
route.
It has a built-in os.
It has it's the headset itself,is the sensor, is it's got
cameras?
Um, it has its own ecosystem.
It has an app.
You can cast things from yourphone straight into the headset.

(33:13):
Um, it's just.
It's just a tool to me.
The whole family can use it too.
Yeah, the whole family.
There it is, the whole familycan use it.
Um, oh, I did forget to mentionone, which was the big screen.
Beyond that, we went over uh onthe chicane podcast previously,
uh, yeah, and that one is kindof up there too with the pricing

(33:37):
.
Let me just look that up realquick, I think it was 1200 with
eye tracking yeah, 1200, witheye tracking to uh 2560 by 2560.
So you know we've mentionedheadsets with a higher
resolution.
However, it has um per eye, adual one inch micro oled screen

(34:00):
and 116 degrees of field of view, but it's only at a 75 refresh
rate.
So I don't like this 75.
I just don't think that it'sfast enough for the movements
that you're going to be making,especially racing, where
everything is flying.

Jeff (34:20):
I've made the argument with people many times no
pass-through on that one either.

Jason (34:23):
No pass-through.
It is comfortable, they say,and it's small, compact I mean
it's like a fifth of the weight.

Jeff (34:31):
Yeah, super light weight, like 127 grams, if I remember
correctly, compared to like onaverage 1,000 or 500 something.

Jason (34:39):
Right.

Erick (34:39):
Yeah, easily the lightest out of all of them, yeah.

Jason (34:43):
So I would like to test one, because they're saying that
it's connected with SteamVR andit's supposed to have some
special features with it.
I know, big screen is big onthe, on the theater, which I
love, by the way.
Sometimes I I I put my headseton and I join a random theater

(35:04):
and you know they'll have, likeJurassic park.
Be careful with your kids goingon there, cause there's a lot
of channels out there.
So um a lot of NSFW stuff that'sout there.
So make sure you put a parentalblock for your kids if they're
curious and they go and checkthat app out.

(35:26):
But as long as you do thatit'll be safe for them.
And that's my rundown onheadsets.
I guess for 2025, we're kind ofsticking with the trend of, you
know, going over iRacing andgoing over VR and, just to cap
this off real quick, I would saythe best titles on PC that are

(35:49):
the most compatible with anyhardware not, I can't say any,
but any any hardware that'sdecent from 2023 onwards, any
hardware that's decent from 2023onwards and when I mean decent
I mean like a 3080 or equivalentof a graphics card, because
that's mainly what's going to bebeat down is your GPU the most

(36:12):
you can easily run iRacing in VRyou can run.

Jeff (36:16):
Yeah, I have a 4070 and run it 90 hertz and 90, no
problem, 90 frames a second, nodrop.
At almost high, yeah, almosthigh, everything.

Jason (36:28):
And he's running a Quest 3, which is a higher resolution,
meaning more demand.
That's another thing you got toconsider.
The higher the resolution thatyou set on the headset that you
choose you choose that 2560,you're going to need a powerful
machine to run that at thatresolution.
You know what I'm trying to say.
So, honestly, the Quest 3 isthe winner here.

(36:52):
I want to hear you guys'thoughts on this.
Oh, I mentioned iRacing being agood game for VR.
You guys' thoughts on this?
Oh, I mentioned iRacing being agood game for VR, compatible,
very realistic, very immersiveand AMS2 and AC with Content

(37:12):
Manager, which I got to make avideo on Content Manager at some
point.

Jeff (37:14):
But that thing is a beast, and you guys already know how
big that thing is dude.
I was.
I got in uh, content manager acand got one of the formula cars
, bro, you can.
It's the game where you can getup from your seat and walk
around the car.

Jason (37:31):
It's the only it's the only one that it was crazy.

Jeff (37:34):
you can no look underneath the car and see the
undercarriage, the floor, it'swild.

Jason (37:43):
That's crazy man, that is kind of cool man, I mean.

Jeff (37:47):
I know there's a, it is cool because I was racing the
other day and the mirrors areactually like mirrors, like if
you don't see the whole thing,you want to see more, you
actually have to move your headand the mirror image changes,
like that's one thing.
You don't see the whole thing,you want to see more, you
actually have to move your headand the mirror image changes.
That's one thing.
You don't get on.
Triples right, the mirror isthe mirror.
You move your head, thatpicture stays there.

(38:07):
But in VR, as you move yourhead, that picture moves.

Erick (38:13):
Yeah, that's dope man.
That content manager is a workof passion, for sure man.
That's dope yeah.

Jason (38:21):
I content manager is a work of passion, for sure man,
that's dope.

Jeff (38:22):
Yeah, gt3 was ridiculous.

Jason (38:24):
The guy, I'm telling you, the guy that created Content
Manager has a patron.

Jeff (38:34):
The minimum if you want to pay him is a dollar, and I
looked the other day and I couldtell you now he has 250,000
patrons.
Good for him, though.
He's put a shit ton of workinto that, Jeff.

Jason (38:50):
if each and every one of those patrons is paying a dollar
, that's $250,000 a month.

Erick (38:58):
Oh yeah.

Jason (39:00):
He's got motion and you think I am doing something
terribly wrong.
You better make sure them taxesare right.
Oh yeah, but $250,000 a month?
Yeah, I think he's got motion.

Erick (39:11):
Yeah, yeah, patreon taking that off the top, like
take it, Take all the taxes.

Jason (39:17):
Patreon loves this guy, they must love him, oh yeah yeah
, man, but that's no.

Erick (39:23):
But, like you say, he deserves it, though, man,
because that is, he literallyhas created one of the best
racing experiences he is the simhub, nicola equivalent fair,
great analogy but of ac.

Jason (39:39):
Without this guy we would not have any of those reels
that you see on on instagramabout we won't have any of the
realistic drifting.
We won't have any of the open.
We wouldn't have anything,anything.
It stakes to that one singleguy, which I'll put links in the
description if you guys want tosupport him.

Jeff (39:59):
I am a supporter I think it's also a supporter too I
think it also is besides f1, 23,24, 25 is I think you could.
You can jump in there and raceformula cars on the circuit.
I think I have downloaded the.
You know every track on thecircuit so you can race
singapore, you can race spa, youcan race.
You know other ones.

(40:19):
Ms2 has a bunch, but I don'tthink they have them all he also
added a career mode to theoriginal game.

Jason (40:27):
That didn't exist.
That's free and it also is a isa gateway server.
You can.
You can race anybody, but it'snot.
It's awesome, bro.
It's not like other sims.
Like ACC, you need to pay tohave a server.
You can't just race and hostyour own.
You can do that on ACC.

Jeff (40:49):
That's wild that there are people that make money off of
Content Manager, like thosedudes that have VIP services for
the open world, racing ordriving.
Yeah, oh yeah, that rubs mewrong a little bit.

Jason (41:05):
Why?
Yeah, the guy is from Russiaand everything.
It's kind of crazy.
I believe he's from Russia, butGod bless him wherever he's at
Appreciate your work.
Keep those updates coming,because without that content
manager I don't know what Iwould do, and I have backups of
backups, just in case things gosouth.

(41:27):
It'll work.

Jeff (41:28):
There's content on content on content Right.

Erick (41:32):
Make sure you have plenty of storage space Plenty.

Jason (41:35):
So when they cut the internet, AC.

Erick (41:38):
Hey, you right, you are totally right, Jr.
So when they cut the internet,AC?
Rob Markman Jr.
You right, you are totallyright, man.
Rob Markman Jr.

Jason (41:43):
So, who knows?
You never know.

Jeff (41:46):
Yeah, I think.
Just to summarize, one more addon I think the F1 games support
VR as well.

Jason (41:52):
Rob Markman Jr.
Right, they support VR and theyrun great in VR.
The problem is there's no mousein VR and we have to take off
the headset and use a keyboard.
And I already told you one timeyou're not buying F125.
You're coming to the expo thereyou go, baby?

Erick (42:07):
Yes, go, come on Right, get your ticket and you can't
see DNR LEDs in the headsetanyway.

Jason (42:14):
So you're kind of you're limiting.
You're kind of you're limiting.
There's immersion, but thenthere's also information that
you're limiting yourself to.
That's another thing you haveto think about, you know.
So, anywho, death of field isanother one.
I know a guy on the GRL he's apro driver very fast and

(42:36):
something happened to his cable.
Shout out to Landon.
Something happened to Landon.
Son happened to land his cableand Landon's forced to race on a
single screen and he's having ahard time because he's used to
that, that view, and I had ahard time getting used to the
car in VR and vice versa.
So it's a very different typeof racing.
Eric can probably talk aboutthis too, about the differences.

(42:59):
Um, but it is cool, yeah, tojump in the car and see nothing
but some fake ass legs.
His dad has skinny ass legs.
Man, I'm like those are not mylegs, bro, but it's cool.
When you see him.
You put your foot on the gasand his actually foot goes on
the gas.
It's kind of cool, I don't know.

(43:21):
Yeah, but as far ascompetitiveness my preference is
triple screens, but you canalso be fast, because look at
landon.
Landon's a great example.
He's a pro driver, he's a vrheadset and he's smoking us
every week.
So don't let that confuse you.
I'm not saying that triples isthe way, and the only way you

(43:42):
can I think the best way is it'sour answer, not the answer?

Jeff (43:44):
yes, yeah, the best way is .
It's our answer, not the answer.

Jason (43:46):
Yes, yeah, the best way is your way there you go.

Jeff (43:48):
That's the best way.

Jason (43:50):
The best way is how you feel comfortable and the most
important thing and Jeffmentioned this on the last
episode are you having fun?
Why are you doing this?
Because if you're not havingfun, there's no point to this.
There really isn't.
I don't know a single driverout there that doesn't have fun
on track.

(44:10):
Even the professionals have funon track.
If it stops being fun, moralegoes down, energy goes down,
motivation goes down.
You get slower, that's it.
It goes out the window.

Jeff (44:18):
I would say there's a lot of people faster than me, but
there's nobody that has more funthan me.

Jason (44:22):
There it is, see, we need to print it on a t-shirt.

Erick (44:27):
Exactly man.

Jason (44:28):
Or something I don't know .

Erick (44:29):
I'm kidding.

Jason (44:30):
I don't know, I'm just kidding.
Anyways, that's it for VR theguides to 25's VR headsets that
are available as of April 2025.
If next week they drop theQuest 4, don't crucify me for
this video.
Okay, so, Eric, you're up next,man.

(44:52):
What you got for us, man.

Erick (44:54):
Yeah, man, kind of piggybacking off of just the
idea of racing how you want,whether it's VR, whether it's
triples, kind of wanted to gety'all's take on just how
difficult should sim racing beright?
Because there's this linebetween video game and simulator
and and that certain aspect ofthe simulator is you have to

(45:17):
learn the machine, right, youhave to learn your rig, you have
to learn your pedals, you haveto learn your uh, your base it's
.
It's really I don't know,especially going between GT
seven and the, you know, theiRacing and the LMUs of the

(45:38):
world.
There's definitely a more videogame like aspect of GT seven.
Jason, we talked about itbefore at one point where you
know you could ride the rails ingt7 and you don't have the same
car damage.
So it's, it's less of a sim andless care you have to take when
you're driving your car andcaring for your race car versus

(46:00):
our racing where you know youcan hit a, hit a sausage curb
and wreck your car.

Jason (46:06):
Um, so why you gotta be a sausage curb, bro.
What's wrong, hey?

Erick (46:10):
man, that's just the thing that was kind of sitting
in my mind where you know it's.
You know you hear certainpeople saying, like well, if you
don't have, you know low cellpedals, if you don't have, you
know, um, uh, a certain type ofwheelbase, you know.
You kind of get into thenitty-gritty of what hardware

(46:30):
constitutes simulation Becauseat a certain point you aren't
feeling certain things, youaren't having to fight with
certain forces.
I wanted to get y'all's take onhow difficult should sim racing
be?
For it to be sim racing before,it's kind of just out of hand.

Jeff (46:52):
Hmm, I think, yeah, go ahead, brother.
Sure, I think it comes down to,let's be honest, money plays
probably the biggest factor inthe things we buy.
I'll paraphrase probably formost people, and obviously it's

(47:13):
a direct correlation to probablymoney spent versus realism.
And if you, you know, if, ifmoney isn't as big an issue,
then yeah, active, three activepedals down there.
Probably, you know I'm notgoing to say that they're the
best, cause I pedals down there.
Probably, you know I'm notgoing to say that they're the
best because I don't know, youknow, limited but like a
semi-cube base, you know, motionthe whole nine yards.

(47:35):
That's what you would probablyget with.
The most realism thing is youspend the most money on the
things, uh, minus, you know, um,uh, joe rogan set up that.
He got taken to the woodshed on.
But I think it's kind of likethere's probably a point of
diminishing returns somewhere inthere and it's kind of finding
where that is for you, becausenot everybody is going to have

(47:59):
three active pedals.
It just is what it is right andyou have to find your point of
diminishing return versus youhaving fun Right, and it's it's
subjective to each person.
Um, you know, if it was, hey,I'm not going to race until I
can have everything that I won'twouldn't have been racing, you

(48:20):
know.
I still won't be racing, youknow, until you have three
active pedals and all that otherstuff.
So get what you can get to getin the game and then slowly
build on that realism andimmersion.
So that's probably not theanswer that you were kind of
looking for, but that's kind ofmy view on realism between and
also how many people out therehave ever been in an actual race

(48:43):
car on a track to know whatrealism actually is?
That's true, you know, like Ithink Daniel Moran actually had
a video that came out where hekind of addressed some of this
stuff just the last couple ofweeks.
I don't know, there's probablya handful of people that jumped
in a formula car that knows whata formula one brake feels like.
They say it's really heavy andstiff, but who knows what the

(49:05):
force feedback is for the wheel,like we're just kind of going
off what people say.
You know, so it's.
It's kind of preference overrealism and um, and that point
of diminishing return with priceto performance.

Jason (49:19):
All right, that's a good answer, very interesting.
I like it.
I have a very simple conceptwith this.
You know you should take simracing by steps.
If you're going to, if you'regoing to start sim racing or
you're thinking about buildingsomething, you know you should

(49:42):
obviously look at your budgetand see where how much can you
put towards something.
Right, but don't go over thatbudget is what I'm saying.
I want you to keep that steadyand stick to that budget, but
then I also want you toprioritize on what you think is

(50:04):
future-proof or not.
So, in my opinion, somethingthat's future-proofing is a
wheelbase.
Something that'sfuture-proofing is a rig and
pedals, the monitors, the PC thePC can be future-proof, but
it's very expensive to do that.
The monitors, peripherals,dashboards, all the nonsense

(50:36):
that's out there, right?
All the stuff that they say youneed but you really don't need
it.
A Winsim is one of those,because it's a very how do you
say this?
Unique situation.
I have a VR headset.
I'm hot and I want to feelimmersion.
That's a valid reason to goahead and start searching for
that equipment, but not beforeyou have the foundation.

(50:58):
With that said, how realisticshould it be?
I think the real answer is whatkind of sim racer are you?
Are you a casual?
Are you a competitive sim racer?
If you're a casual racer, thenimmersion's for you.
You're here for fun, you'rehere to have a good time.
You're not worried about thelap times, you're not worried

(51:19):
about your peers passing you by.
Your concern is I want to havesome fun and I want it to be as
realistic as possible.
I want to have some fun and Iwant it to be as realistic as
possible.
Does that mean go buy an activepedal?
No, the answer is no.
An active pedal is one of themost immersive pieces of gear
that I have on the rig and it'salso a tool for me.

(51:40):
It's a tool that's helping meimprove because I have
consistent lap times with itmore than any other pedal.
But that's a personal thing,you know.
It's not.
That doesn't apply to everytime.
You know everybody, you knowwhat I'm saying and I've had to
explain this many times, um, tomany people, and I'm like I can

(52:01):
never, I will never tell you tobuy a piece of equipment on this
show.
All I will tell you is I wantyou to join this hobby and it
doesn't have to be iRacing, itdoesn't have to be ACC.
It doesn't have to be AC, itdoesn't have to be.
If F1 is your thing, thenignore what I'm saying and go

(52:22):
and enjoy yourself on F1.
If you're having a blast, on F1.

Jeff (52:24):
Amen, no truer words.

Jason (52:26):
Yeah, if you're having a great time and you happen to be
a follower which thank you somuch, by the way and you hear a
shit talk on F1, man, just don'thate us for it, you know we're
we're halfway kidding on it, youknow, and the halfway is just
frustration, because we want F1to be realistic, because that's
the type of sim racer that weare.

(52:48):
Right, we're that type, andeven between all three of us
there is a difference.
There is a difference on whatJeff's priorities are and what
Eric's priorities are and whatmy priorities are.
Yeah, so that's kind of thegrown up answer that I can give
you.
Stick to your budget, have fun,make sure it's fun, stick to
your budget.
Stick to your budget and alsomake the right decision by

(53:18):
sticking to your budget doesn'tmean go and buy the cheapest
thing.
I want you to weigh the prosand cons and ask yourself the
question will I be using thisrig from five years from now?
That's the question I would askmyself.
I have a different budget.
I have a different economicalsituation than everyone.
Right, everybody has their owneconomics.

(53:41):
I read a post one day not oneday today that I saw a smiley
face from Eric, and it was oneof the guys that said it was on
the SimRacing setups group.
Shout out, mike SimRacing.
Thank you for building thatawesome community, and I'm
always paying attention to thepost because I help moderate it
and I want to keep that groupclean and safe for everyone to

(54:04):
enjoy, and it's an honor to doit.
And I saw Eric post this, orshare or whatever he liked it,
and it said that you know simracers spending all this money
and being a what do you callthis?
It means that you'reirresponsible, and I found it

(54:25):
funny for like a second, andthen I I kind of got defensive
about it.
I was like well, it'sirresponsible for those who
can't afford it.
That's like Jeff knows a guythat bought a Ferrari, has the
what is it, your friend?
He has a Ferrari and a Porsche,or something like that.

Jeff (54:41):
Yeah, he's got a Ferrari, he's got a couple of cars.

Jason (54:43):
I can't afford a Ferrari, you know.
But do I have the?
Do I do I have the?
What do you call this?
The means of getting a loan andbuying a Ferrari?
Yeah, I can, I can buy aFerrari today.
Is that responsible?
No, because I can't afford that.
I truly can't afford that.
I can't afford to maintain thecar.
I basically you could do it forone month, I could do it, check

(55:07):
to check, you know.
So that's a, that's a.
There's priorities in life anddo not let the hobby suck you in
so hard because of all the, youknow, reels and stuff.

Jeff (55:21):
I want to jump into one thing you said there about that.
Whoever knucklehead made thatpost about being irresponsible
and we talked about it, I thinkwith uh, when we had all all um,
a bunch of guests on, was likehey, like when I jump in the rig
and I blow off steam and I goback to you know, wake up the
next day because I drive withthat, like I'm refreshed and I'm
a better husband, a better dadand better at work, right,

(55:44):
because I just am mentallyrefreshed, kind of recharged.
So do I buy it to do that?
No, it's just a side effect ofit.
It's not being irresponsible,that's ridiculous.

Erick (55:55):
Yeah, I think it was kind of one of those lighthearted
posts where it's like you knowthey gave it to me, you know
kind of things where they'rejust kind of poking fun at the
fact that if you're a sim racer,you're sinking money into sim
racing oh, we do spend a decentamount of cheddar on a you know

(56:15):
uh, sitting in front of acomputer screen at the end of
the day.

Jeff (56:18):
Yeah, correct, we do, but it's a passion like.
I know plenty of people thatspend the same the same on golf
or, oh you know, enter, whateverhobby you have, right, I mean,
I, yeah, so the funniest golfcan get out of control now.

Erick (56:31):
Yeah, I've been there so the funniest thing is if you
really want to spend money, racereal cars.
Oh yeah, if you race real cars,you talk about blowing some
money, like literally destroyingmoney and leaving it on the
track.
Fresh set of tires at everytrack meet, that's real money.

Jason (56:54):
Back in California, I was part of a club.
There was a track down in Cali,san Diego, and a track meet
there for half a day it wasabout $500.
And then the tires are toastand I was running Pirelli tires.
A track meet there for half aday was about 500 bucks.
And then the tires are toastand I was running Pirelli tires

(57:14):
that's about 250 a tire.
And you got to get home becausehow are you going to get home?
Yep.
So again, this hobby is notabout how big your rig is or
what's on it.
It's about your personalrelationship with it.
That is the realest answer Ican give you.

(57:35):
If you come home and you sit inthis thing and you love what
you're looking at and you'rehaving fun with it, don't worry
about what everybody's buying.
Let me tell you something.
I have some top-end stuff backhere and I don't want this to
look like a flex, but in thelong term, right, there's always

(57:57):
something that's coming outthat will be better.
It's not like I can buy this andI'm good for the rest of the
time that I'm sim racing.
You know it's just like a car.
Right, you save up for avehicle.
You don't really.
The irresponsible thing isbuying a vehicle without being
able to afford it.
And then when you finally, ifyou grab the vehicle, blah, blah

(58:20):
, blah, four years later theycome out with a new model that's
like a hundred times betterthan your model and it looks
dope, and you're stuck herepaying that car, still paying
all these high interest payments, because that's how credit
cards get their money, that'show they get their, that's how
they make their money.
So my advice is save up.
Save up when you can have agoal, have a target and make

(58:44):
sure that it's not the.
Don't go for the cheapest gearout there.
You know what I mean.
If you're just coming into thehobby, then you choose that
route.
But if you are already seasoned, right, I consider someone
seasoned when they have a rigand at least a monitor, they
have a setup.
Any setup is somebody that'salready okay in the hobby.

(59:06):
In the hobby Now, if yourbudget allows 30,000, 40,000,
you know, I think somebody lefta comment.
Know about something?
About a podium one.
I'm like god damn, you know,like that's a, that's um, those
are big, big boys right there.
But again, it's not, it's notmeant as a flex, it's like, hey,

(59:28):
you know, I'm sharing mypassion with you.
Jeff is sharing his passion.
He's building a fuselage, he'smaking his rig more immersive.
Now he's jumping into the VR.
But that's been gradual.
How long have you been doingthis, jeff?

Jeff (59:43):
It's been a long time, For almost a year and a half maybe
now.

Jason (59:47):
It's been a year and a half, which is hard to believe.
Wild right, yeah, but everymonth you look at something and
you make the decision.
By you waiting on the fans thewind simulator is.
The responsible thing to do Iswatch out.
Watch out for a sail.
We do Black Friday episodeshere on the show.

(01:00:07):
If you can hang on, we had avery successful episode last one
.

Erick (01:00:12):
Hashtag Beltensioner yeah .

Jason (01:00:15):
Beltensioner is another one.
See, the biggest problem isgoing to be at the expo.

Jeff (01:00:21):
Bro, leave the credit card at home.

Jason (01:00:23):
Yeah, we have to have a credit card, jeff.
We're on travel.

Erick (01:00:28):
Got to get those points, man.

Jason (01:00:30):
I'm telling you that's going to be the biggest
challenge.
But again, don't let nobodypressure you into buying
something that you don't need.
Okay, and make sure that whenyou buy something, that you can
afford that.
And when I mean afford, I meanthat if you need to outright pay
it, you could do so, and if youcannot do that, then I highly
recommend to be the bigger manand take responsibility, and you

(01:00:54):
will find that maybe somethingnew comes out.
I'll give you one examplebefore we drop this and move on
with our lives.
I was on travel in Japan.
As you know, I love Japan.
I was on travel in Japan.
I was looking at active pedals,right before I was looking at
the ultimate, and something told.

(01:01:17):
Something just came over me andsaid no, dude, just wait, wait,
maybe maybe there's a sale,maybe there's something.
So I'll go on travel and um,you know, I spoke to Mike from
the sim racing then and you knowme and him, we, we, we, we talk
from from from time to time andMike is under NDA at this point

(01:01:38):
for the active federal pro.
He could not tell me thatthere's a pro version coming out
that's cheaper and does thesame thing as the ultimate, or
almost the same thing 80% right.
So he couldn't tell me.
He couldn't tell me.
He just told me hey, man, justlook around, keep an eye on out,
maybe a sale comes out.
But he could not tell me thatsomething was coming out.

(01:02:01):
And I understand that that's,that's, that's.
You know that's a legal thing.
So I didn't necessarily takethe advice.
I was literally had the shit inmy cart.
And you know how I am.
I'm always happy when I buysomething.
I always try to share and thereason I do that is to get you
guys to come over to the houseand be like hey, man, try it out

(01:02:21):
.
Because we don't have theoption to try out gear, which is
why the expo is such a bigthing for us.
Anyway, I waited, and because Iwaited, I see the ad while I'm
in the hotel room and, thank God, the wife was in the shower.

Erick (01:02:37):
I just went and added that shit to the cart bro, and I
called up Jeff.

Jason (01:02:43):
I was like Jeff, there's something heavy coming over to
the house.
Man, go get it.
Open the door.
Listen, here's the code to myhouse Open the door and put it
inside.
Don't say nothing.
Don't say nothing and I swear.

Jeff (01:02:57):
I was praying.
That's exactly how it went down.

Jason (01:02:59):
I was praying that they didn't put Semi-Cube on the box.
It's oh my God, bro, oh my God.
But anyways, I guess the takefrom this story is not a flex.
I'm very lucky and humble to beable to afford something like
that, but if I couldn't, Iwouldn't Okay.
So with that, we'll move on tothis one.

(01:03:26):
This one's going to be rathershort.
I wanted this episode to bemainly about VR and talking
about the different options, sowe will be skipping track of the
week.
It is not going anywhere, butthat is our backfall, so we want
to make sure that you'regetting the content right.
First, track of the week willcontinue, though it will

(01:03:52):
continue, and it will continuenext week, but we have to give
it up to one of our supportersthat sent us an email, and thank
you all for those who orderedon the website.
I've already received orders,uh notifications, which is great
.
Thank you for supporting theshow and the chicane podcast.
Really appreciate everyone.
But we do have an email and Iguess eric kelly wants to tackle

(01:04:13):
it, so I will give that to MrKelly or Jeff.
Whichever one wants to wants totake a stab at it.

Erick (01:04:21):
Uh, I mean I got to pull it up.
So, all right, go ahead, yeah,okay.

Jason (01:04:25):
Yeah, take turns.

Erick (01:04:27):
Yeah, we're just excited yeah, we're just excited to to
read emails from you guysbecause it's you know, we know
it takes time and effort.

Jason (01:04:35):
It takes effort to start the email.

Erick (01:04:38):
I get mad when.

Jason (01:04:39):
I start writing an email, but please keep those coming.
Yeah, yeah.

Erick (01:04:43):
So this one is from Mr Brad Cox.
Subject line so many apps.
He says I'm new to sim racingand a bit confused with all the
apps associated with our racing.
Hopefully you can help.
I'm using SimMagic gear let'sgo SimMagic on an aluminum
extruded rig with triplemonitors.
I have SimPro, manager, crewChief Race Lab, simhub and

(01:05:07):
Marvin's AIRA apps installed,but I'm not sure which ones I
should be running when I launchiRacing.
Also, what's the best way tostart iRacing Through one of
these apps or the standaloneiRacing app and join the podcast
?
Keep up the great work.
So, of course, first off, justthank you, brad, for reaching
out to us, for taking the timeto write an email and, you know,

(01:05:31):
asking questions.
Thank you for supporting theshow.
We really appreciate it.
I think I kind of probably themost recent to feel his pain,
being the most recent person toswitch over to PC.
It is a lot.
Right now I can say that for me, I'm running probably

(01:05:57):
everything that you have listed,even the.
I meant the.
I haven't told the guys aboutit, but I've started using the
marvin's ara uh here recentlyfor force feedback.
Yes, but I'm not running therace lab, but I think that's the
only thing I'm not running.
Um, it's simple, I don't run it.
I use it to update my Sim Magicgear, but I always close that

(01:06:20):
out.

Jeff (01:06:22):
It just runs minimized.
Sim Hub is In the background.
Yeah, you don't really need ithonestly it's an extra resource.

Jason (01:06:30):
If you're not changing wheel settings, you don't really
need it.
Honestly, unless your LEDs arecoming from SimPro, I would
recommend SimHub.
They're both heavy, bothapplications, so just be ready
for that.
So having both of them is kindof your machines can take it
though.
Jeff, you got a decent machine,so it's like nothing for your

(01:06:54):
machine.

Erick (01:06:55):
Yeah, if I had to make a recommendation.
Some people have to count their, their apps.

Jason (01:06:58):
You know what I mean.
You remember the iPhone whereyou had to close the app to make
it run smooth.
It's kind of like that concept.

Erick (01:07:06):
Yeah, and the Androids too.

Jason (01:07:08):
And the Androids.

Erick (01:07:11):
So go ahead yeah.
I'll go ahead and get mine outthe way For me.
I run Crew Chief, simhub,marvin's and then, of course,
iracing and also Trading Paints.
I'm not sure if you've.
I know you're trying to figureout which apps to run.
There's another one TradingPaints for your custom liveries

(01:07:34):
and iRacing, but for me that's.
I think that's pretty much itright now for me.

Jason (01:07:41):
What about you, jeff, what you got?

Jeff (01:07:43):
I'm curious.
So to the trading paint portion.
I think if you download it intothe appropriate folder you
don't need to have it open.
But no, I just run, obviously,simhub iRacing.
I open iRacing straight fromthe application.

(01:08:03):
I don't open it throughanything, it's just the
standalone program.
Crew Chief, I have SimMagic.
Whatever their hardware is orsoftware is it?
Just haven't minimized, it justopens up Simpro, simpro.
Yeah, excuse me, I just havethat minimized.
I don't ever look at it, it'sjust there.
Um, I think that's it.

Jason (01:08:27):
So I will say this Jeff, if you're you're, you're right
on the trading paints, but ifyou want to see other people's
paints, you have to have it open.

Jeff (01:08:38):
That's a them problem.

Jason (01:08:40):
Yeah, exactly, If you're worried about them, then your
stuff is loaded up.
It's pretty light dude.

Jeff (01:08:46):
Mine looks like a badass.
I don't care what everybodyelse sees.

Jason (01:08:49):
There you go.

Erick (01:08:50):
As long as they can see you huh.

Jason (01:08:52):
So I don't think you guys , I will be here forever.
I will try to make this quick,but I'm running all kinds of
shit in the background.
Here we go.

Erick (01:09:02):
I know dude.

Jason (01:09:04):
I got SimHub, I got the SimiCube software, I have the
trading paints, I have CrewChief Depends.
If I'm practicing, Trophy AI isone of the tools that we've
been using lately.
Um, you know, but that's youknow it.
During a race I usually shuther down because I use that for

(01:09:25):
practice.
Um, discord is always runningthe discord overlay.

Jeff (01:09:33):
See, you have Spotify always going spotify pc panels
always up.

Jason (01:09:39):
Um, all my streamer stuff is always in the background.
The the I'll be here forever.
That's a lot of.
It's a ton I do have nvidiaoverlay on some specs on
performance but for iRacing,yeah, going back to the topic,
right, for iRacing, youmentioned Marvin, right?

(01:09:59):
So, marvin, I would recommendthat application to any SimMagic
owner, simmagic.
Now, if you have a SimiCube,there's no need to use this
application at all.
We have more settings than theMarvin.
And I keep warning people whenyou add filters on top of

(01:10:19):
filters on top of filters, itmakes it really hard to get that
wheel dialed in right, becauseyou have all these different
types of filters that changedifferent things, and then you
have another application on topof that.
That's filtering it evenfurther.
That's filtering it evenfurther.
However, for SimMagic basesthat don't have as many options,

(01:10:40):
they have the force.
Feedback is there, the strength, but the actual fine tuning is
not really there compared toother bases.
Marvin is a great option andit's free.
It's free.
You can download it for free.
We'll leave links in thedescription for that.
Um, maybe eric can do a deepdive.
I tried using it.
Um, I had a follower, I wasstreaming and a follower was

(01:11:05):
begging me to try it, and itjust isn't.
It wasn't worth using.
You know my settings are dialedin.
You know what I mean.
They're good to go, so.
So for iRacing, I recommend um.

Erick (01:11:18):
Yeah crew chief is a must .
It was it.

Jason (01:11:22):
Yeah, definitely yeah and I can do some of marvin's as
well crew chief and sim hub.
But sim hub there's a lot ofstuff in sim hub, like lovely
dashboard is a highlyrecommended tool.
Highly recommended tool.
I can't recommend it enough.
Danny Newman Racing is anotherone.
If you have the lights and yourLEDs those lights and LEDs are

(01:11:45):
flash cues you don't have tothink no more.
I know somebody that usesscreens and they're always
looking up.
You know he mentioned Race Laband that's.
You know, race Lab is anoverlay, it's different overlays
.
So you have all these overlayson the screen and it's
cluttering, it's taken away fromthe experience, in my opinion,
and you have all these overlays.
It's good for streamers, butfor my own personal view, it's

(01:12:07):
completely empty and I just relyon Daniel Newman.
It never fails me.
I'm in the pit lane when itturns green pit lane's open.
I cross the line.
I don't have to look at the.
I look at the line and thegreen light is literally
blinking on my body.

Jeff (01:12:25):
And by having SibHub you get rid of having to have the
Hughes app open.

Jason (01:12:34):
Right, and those apps are not geared towards gamers.
You know they might be using aton of resource that you may not
even notice, you know.
So that's a good point, Jeff,is having the one consolidated
right, Like if you bought thatSRS Hurricane WinSim kit, you
don't need the SRS Hurricanesoftware.

Jeff (01:12:55):
I got way more stuff.
I can do with it in SimHubanyways.

Jason (01:12:58):
In SimHub, because guess what's running anyway in the
background?
Simhub it's running.
So I will say this before weclose this one If you're running
any sim and you're runningSimHub, make sure you give
enough bandwidth to SimHub.
Don't max out your systems toget the highest frames and your

(01:13:20):
GPU is clocked all the way up.
Your CPU is like redlining,clocked all the way up.
That's when you're going tofind issues with SimHub crashing
and things acting weird.
It's because you're not lettingenough cushion for SimHub.
You want to at least give it10% of your GPU and CPU, and
this is coming from the creator,nikola.

(01:13:42):
So I've had issues like that inthe past before I upgraded my
hardware, and you want to giveit that little bit of cushion
for everything to work properly.
So that's about it, man.
Thank you so much for thequestion.
I really appreciate it.
We will resume track of theweek on the next iteration of

(01:14:06):
the show and with that, guys, isround table time.
Anybody have anything before weclose this one out?

Jeff (01:14:15):
Yeah, quick one.
If you got a second, go checkout Smart Living 808.
We got a new video that justput up online there.
Nice little family boat day outhere we had the other day.

Jason (01:14:25):
Yes, sir, I watched that and Mr Eric Kelly has some cool
videos that have been droppinglately.
I'm watching you, eric.
So I think he did a follow-upreview on a Samsung S24, I
believe.

Erick (01:14:42):
Or is it S24 Ultra, yeah, s24 Ultra, yeah.

Jason (01:14:47):
Wrapped up my time with that, the Tech Gentleman is how
you find him the Tech Gentlemanand Smart Living.
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Thank you.