Which Pedals Make You Faster?

The world of sim racing technology takes center stage this week as we explore the newly released Simucube Tuner 2.5 software that's changing how serious racers interact with their equipment. This isn't just another update—it's a complete reimagining of how your sim racing hardware works together, with automatic profile switching that detects what car and sim you're using to apply your custom settings accordingly. No more fumbling with separate applications or manual adjustments when switching from trucking to GT3 racing!

We tackle the sometimes confusing world of brake technology, breaking down the pros and cons of elastomers, springs, hydraulic systems, and active pedals. If you've been wondering whether those hydraulic brake mods are worth the investment or if you should save for active pedals instead, our detailed breakdown will help you make an informed decision. The consensus might surprise you—sometimes the most expensive option isn't the best value, and proper technique often trumps hardware upgrades.

The conversation shifts to EA's upcoming F1 25 game, with some strong opinions about what would make it worth purchasing. The team doesn't hold back their frustration with previous iterations, particularly regarding physics models and authenticity. Is there any hope for F1 25, or should serious sim racers look elsewhere for their Formula 1 fix? We explore what features would actually make the game appealing to hardcore sim enthusiasts versus casual gamers.

Our Track of the Week segment transports you to Monza, with a fascinating dive into its century-long history, numerous configurations, and sometimes tragic past. From its inception in 1922 to its current layout, we examine how this iconic Italian circuit evolved into one of racing's most beloved and feared venues. Wrapping up with F1 driver updates and GT7's latest cars, this episode delivers everything racing enthusiasts need to stay informed and entertained. Don't miss our upcoming 50th episode—a major milestone we can't wait to share with our growing community!

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Episode Transcript

Jason (00:30):
The Hello and welcome to the Chicane Podcast, where we
discuss all things in thisembracing world.
I'm your host, Jason Rivera,and I'm joined here by Mr Eric
Kelly and Jeff Smart.
How's everybody doing today?
That was the hardest intro Isaw.
You trying to keep it together.

(00:50):
You guys were joking around asthe seconds were counting down.
You can't do that, man.

Erick (00:56):
Professional job.
Man, that's our job.
You're professional.

Jason (00:59):
It sounds like everybody's in a good mood.
So how's everybody?
How's it going?
Guys, Update me what's going on.

Erick (01:05):
It's going good, man Trying to survive these
allergies.
Man, this pollen is out.

Jason (01:11):
Ah yeah, it keeps attacking different people at
different times, and then itattacks your kids and they bring
it right back to you.

Jeff (01:23):
Yeah, we were actually out in the ocean the other day and
I saw a big line of it.
It's all like pollen buildingup and, yeah, you can see it on
the water, you can.
I didn't know that.
All right.

Jason (01:34):
So we got some content being brewed up for Smart Living
.
Is that right?

Jeff (01:41):
Yep Smart Living YouTube channel.
We got a new video dropping.

Jason (01:44):
Awesome, bro.
Guys, don't forget to checkthat out.
I'll leave the links again toJeff's channel.
Show him some love and supporton the distant end, on the
fishing end.

Jeff (01:53):
I appreciate it yeah.

Jason (01:55):
Yeah, all right, so let's go over some announcements here
and get right into it.
The Winsims I promised a videoabout Winsims.
Just bear with me, I am doingthe research on that.
We're only we're a week at atime podcast and I just I
couldn't get it done this week,but I promised that that is

(02:16):
coming, and the new bambooprinter just got released that I
will not be purchasing.

Jeff (02:22):
No, that's pricey.
It looks cool as hell.

Erick (02:25):
Yeah, it looks crazy.
It looks crazy.

Jason (02:30):
But it's actually a good announcement because it's good
for the future of the company.
It means that we're progressingright.
There's revisions made to theAMS system.
I know we're not a 3D printingpodcast or channel, but just
telling you you do not need anH2D.
I can promise you that.

(02:50):
I can promise you that.

Erick (02:52):
So it depends.
Oh, here we go, and the reasonwhy I say that is, it depends on
how much you make right.
So 3D printing easily.
It's going to be the best 3Dprinter that Bamboo has ever
made.

Jason (03:06):
Yeah, definitely.

Erick (03:07):
They've just been iterating and literally it's
like they've been reading ourminds, like, oh, I wish this was
different, I wish that wasdifferent.
From a 3D printer standpoint,it's the best they've made,

(03:28):
biggest bed, all that stuff.
It might be something to lookat, because I don't know if
you've ever heard of it, but mywife was asking about a
Glowforge, which is a laserengraver and cutter, and she has
a Cricut where she cuts andprints and does vinyl labels and
stickers and all that stuffthose are.
You know, depending on whichone you buy, you could spend,

(03:50):
you know, a couple of dollars.

Jason (03:50):
This gear just specific, you know.

Erick (03:54):
All it does is that and it's kind of weird the way it
does it.
But when she mentioned theGlowforge, those start at $700.
And to get a 40-watt laserGlowforge it is $4,500.

Jeff (04:09):
Damn.

Erick (04:10):
You said $4,500?

Jeff (04:11):
$4,500.

Erick (04:13):
And that's not even their top tier, that's just like
getting into their top tier.
So that's why I say the lasercutting piece.
When I saw that and my eyebrowswent up I was like that's
different, like I wonder how itcompares to a glow forge,
because that would that would bea huge undercut I, I mean this
depends if you have someone likeyou better have that needs the

(04:37):
machine hint hint.

Jason (04:39):
But I'm just saying because you might be able to
benefit from that.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't blame you on that pointI don't blame you there.

Erick (04:47):
Rob Markman.
The wheels are spinning, man,I'm like, hey, we could all-.

Jason (04:51):
We could all just get along, I probably-.

Jeff (04:54):
Rob Markman.
We don't need a lot of things,but here they are.

Erick (04:57):
I'm telling you.

Jason (04:59):
All right, well, yeah, go ahead, eric, my bad.

Erick (05:01):
No, but yeah, that was just my.

Jason (05:02):
But at $3,500, I think I'm pretty good at this point.
I think I'm pretty good for thetop, top tier.
It has a dual nozzle and stuff,but honestly I saved money by
purchasing two of them than theprice of one, even after
purchasing two of them.
But again, if you want to gowild, it's out there, it's

(05:28):
available, and that's all I have.
Let's pass this over to Eric tosee how was your week.
I'm pretty sure you're excitedto reveal something here on the
show and I'll let you have it.
Man, let's hear it.

Erick (05:40):
So my week I thought I wasn't going to get the race
this week because the kids wereout on spring break Went to
Chattanooga earlier this week,had a blast and I guess I was
just in a groove Came backeverybody you know the house is
quiet and I got to run some lapsand messed around and won my

(06:01):
first race in outracing.

Jason (06:03):
Wow, bro the man and you got your certificate tooracing.
Wow, bro the man.
And you got your certificatetoo, right.

Erick (06:07):
Yeah, I got the certificate.
How'd that feel?
Look, I was shocked because,when I tell you, I was just like
in a zone and also, I'm goingto be a little honest, I was
racing a little late at nightand the lobby probably was a
little bit less.

Jason (06:23):
No, no, no, that's the time we race.

Jeff (06:25):
Don't shortchange me when I race.

Jason (06:27):
We don't need it?
Well, not anymore.
I'm mostly on the GRL, but youwon your first race.

Erick (06:33):
Yeah, I won my first race .

Jason (06:34):
I don't care against who, I don't care, it's an official.
Come on.

Erick (06:40):
So I got my D license and literally I'm trying to grind
to get my C.
I've got the safety rating.
I just have to get the NPR orwhatever.

Jason (06:50):
Oh, the races in the past .
You seem to participate, bro.
That's it.

Erick (06:53):
Yeah, so that's the piece I'm trying to do.
Had some issues with our racing.

Jeff (06:58):
Well, you'll get the in-season promotion then, I'm
sure.

Erick (07:01):
Yeah, yeah.
So I did that, but also the waythat I did it, I was um
qualified on pole position and Iled nine of the 10 laps, so
it's like complete domination myman says hey, let me ask you a
question.

Jeff (07:18):
He said domination, how nervous were you on that last
lap?

Erick (07:23):
oh, I was I was shaking in my boots.
I I was shaking in my boots.
Man, I was shaking in my boots.

Jason (07:28):
Did you have to wipe?
Did you have to wipe after?
Because I mean come on.

Erick (07:31):
I wiped the forehead.
That was about it.
Wiped the forehead and did youdo it in?

Jason (07:36):
VR, or did you do it on a single monitor?

Erick (07:40):
No, I've been doing single monitor, even on GT7 here
lately I've been doing singlemonitor.
Even on gt7, here lately I'vebeen doing a single monitor.
Okay, I mean hey, I mean yeah,whatever floats your boat, well,
it's the, it's the information,like until gt7, if you're
trying to be fast, um, vr isamazing, immersive, you know,
immersion wise, but just beingable to glance up and see what

(08:01):
the guy ahead of me, the time tohim, the time to the guy behind
me.

Jason (08:05):
The tools, yes, yeah.

Erick (08:06):
Just having that information is priceless if
you're trying to be aware ofwhat's going on.

Jason (08:12):
See, we need to get that blended reality.
That way we can do both, I know, and that will fix the problem
right there.
You just bridged them both, Iknow Go ahead.

Jeff (08:21):
I'm working on it, I'm working on it.

Jason (08:23):
It's it hey, listen man, listen, I wish hey.

Erick (08:28):
Jeff, if you got it, man, that's fine too.

Jeff (08:30):
I'm working on it, dude.
Yeah, jeff, there's not a lotof like how to's to do this
stuff.
There's a dude who claims whoshows video of some badass stuff
and he's like I ain't tellinganybody how to do this.

Jason (08:43):
You've been refreshing that page.
Huh, I was on that today.
Oh man, hey, real quick, realquick.
I just want to give a shout outto the.
What do you call it?
What should I call him?
The head honcho, the legend,michael Pagliaro from the Sim

(09:04):
Racing den for hooking a brotherup with a Sim.
What side is it?

Jeff (09:11):
Sim.

Jason (09:11):
Racing setups.
Hey, hoodie Hoodie Looks good.
Dude, got my name on it righthere.
Oh nice, and it's got my number.
So, grl folks, 22 is mine.
I know that belongs to an admin, but at my show, chicane
Podcast, 22 is mine, bro, andI'm like that you got whatever
number you want in here, man.

(09:32):
Guys, check out Sim RacingSetups group on Facebook 130,000
plus members sharing all kindsof innovation, ideas and support
, and we're all part of thegroup too.
So if you share something there, we're probably most likely
going to see it and we'll hitlike just put tag us at chicane

(09:54):
podcast or something.
Let us know.
Yeah definitely.
So shout out to Mike Thank youso much.
I really appreciate it.
So, jeff, how was your week,brother?

Jeff (10:06):
Tell me about it.
Mine, mine was good.
I had like a moment the otherday.
So I'm like, oh you know, likeF1 season starting, and I'm like
, oh man, like I wonder ifthey've opened up the tickets
for Singapore.
So I jump on there and I'm like, hey, I had an awesome
experience last time I went.
You know, I think we puttogether a little video.

(10:26):
Yes, last time, guys, we needto check.

Jason (10:28):
You need to check this video out.
I think we released it early.
It was way early in the Chicanepodcast's life.
If you may, you need to look atit.
There's some funny things inthere too.
It's really awesome and Jeffwas kind enough.

Jeff (10:44):
Yeah, if you're curious about going to F1 race, like,
give it a watch.
It was an awesome experience,but anyways, so I digress.
So I was looking for tickets tosee if they had released them.

Jason (10:53):
You want to go back, bro?
Yeah, I want to go back.
So I'm sitting there at worklooking at this stuff and I'm
like no, there's pictures, wait,go back.
Yeah, dude ready, and there'sthese switch.

Erick (11:09):
Wait, wait, wait a second .
That's on the official site.

Jeff (11:10):
Though, dude, I know that guy dude, I'm like wait a second
, that's me.

Jason (11:13):
I'm like look at, look this is a clown, the freaking
podium winner.
He was the podium winner in thego-karts too.
You guys gotta check out thatvideo man to see his podium.

Jeff (11:22):
So so, needless to say, they have like tripled the price
from when I went.
I'm not going holy, yeah, bro,like they obviously knew that we
had got a deal over on them andthey were like, yeah, not so,
not so much I know they saw jeffthere.

Erick (11:34):
They're like bro exactly hey, we got guys like this in
here.
We got to raise the price yeah,hang out with this handsome
stuff we got ballers coming inhere.

Jason (11:42):
What?

Jeff (11:43):
yeah, so there's like uh, there's one other one that was
like, my wife was like, yeah,typical uh where is it?
Here, so there's me waiting inline at the bar oh, yeah, so my
wife checking in.
Hey, no, that's me getting mymoney.
Did you be lying to?
the bar that tell me you did,bro yeah, bro, that's not even
there, yet it's early in themorning too, it's like a

(12:03):
crackathon, yeah, so it's justfunny that I'm at work, dude,
this is sick and I'm like holyshit and everybody's like what,
and I'm like that's me on the F1page.

Jason (12:18):
We're going to share the links to that guys, if you want
to check out.
Super cool.

Jeff (12:21):
Unfortunately, it won't be going this year.
With the prices going up, youactually look official, you look
like you work for the team orsomething.

Jason (12:29):
You're an official.

Erick (12:31):
F1 sponsor.
You look legit as hell, bro.
Tell them I got to get mytickets.
You guys forgot me this year.
Go ahead and get me tickets.

Jason (12:39):
Yeah, where's my email?
I didn't get an email.
I didn't get a confirmationnumber.
Exactly, that's what's my email.
I didn't get an email.

Erick (12:44):
I didn't get a confirmation number.
What was up with that Exactly?

Jason (12:46):
That's a hell of a Bro.
I would be ecstatic if I sawthat that was super cool.

Jeff (12:49):
It's super cool, I mean, in the long run, whatever People
are like, whatever, but I thinkit's cool.
I'm on the official F1 page forSingapore.

Jason (13:04):
I don't care about hating , that's straight hate.
Haterade for you.

Jeff (13:07):
It was cool.

Jason (13:08):
I think that's dope as hell.
I would print those out and putthem up on the wall or
something I don't know You'reknown to do that, Jeff.

Jeff (13:15):
You play around with the light room and stuff.
Yeah, I didn't even know theywere taking pictures and stuff.
I didn't authorize anybody totake my picture, right?
You give me free tickets, I canlook, tell them.
Hey, man.

Jason (13:24):
I want $5,000 and avoid a penalty, and I will put the
money right back in your pocketbecause I will be here.
Let's go.

Jeff (13:32):
We'll call it square, that's it.

Jason (13:34):
We'll send them the link to this video.
I'll send it to Toto Toto Wolf.
I got him online too, don'tworry about that.

Jeff (13:41):
No, Stevie.
All right man, let's get intoit here.

Jason (13:47):
What a hell of a week for everybody.
That's a great week foreverybody.
So I'm excited.
So we're going to go into themain discussion now.
Apparently, maybe less than 48hours, simicube released finally
their final version of, ortheir candidate release.

(14:11):
Right for is the Simicube Tuner,and let's take a look at it
right now because it's theeasiest way for me to show you
guys right.
Just bear with me, we'll go tothe website here.
This is the Simicube page andthere's a video so you can watch

(14:32):
that.
Of course it's the Tuner 2.5.
And it says one for all.
And I got a throwback of someLord of the Rings like one for
all and Dark Despindem or someshit like that A nerd moment for
me.
It says you can control allyour gear in one place and if

(14:52):
you can see this picture backhere, you can control.
You don't need separatesoftware.
Before you would need the TrueDrive software for Simucube
bases and then True um, thistuner for your pedals.
But now they united the clans.
It's all in one place.
And here is the kicker automaticprofile switches per car, per

(15:17):
sim.
So if you have a pedal set upfor trucking, I already have
mine and it knows when I sit inthe Peterbilt 389, it switches
to my trucking profile.
If I jump into a McLaren andiRacing, it goes to my GT3
profile that I made and a GT3slash GT4.
So then you can see that therewere some new profiles added,

(15:41):
some e-sports pedals from a.
I'm not going to read these,but they're there if you want to
try them.
I always say, take these with agrain of salt, try them and
then make it yours right, don'tjust use yeah, go ahead.

Jeff (15:53):
You passed me.

Jason (15:54):
You told me like, hey, it's like starting, it's a good
starting point for to start yourtweaking yes, yeah, it's a
great reference point for you tosee what works for you, because
their seating position isdifferent, their pedal angle is
different, everything isdifferent.
So I'm actually interestedabout this one down here that
says that they have a driftingone, which I haven't seen that

(16:14):
yet.
Um, and then it also, uh,allows you to customize your
leds on your wheels, which I'mgoing to say it here.
Shout out to DNR.

Jeff (16:27):
We don't need that stuff.

Jason (16:28):
You don't need that stuff , we got friends in hot places.

Jeff (16:30):
Yeah, check out.

Jason (16:31):
Danny Newman Racing for all your LED needs, and now
dashboards, yes sir.

Jeff (16:36):
You love them, even though he's a McLaren fan.

Jason (16:39):
I love McLaren, bro.
Mclaren is cool too.

Erick (16:42):
They are true, they are true, I love McLaren, bro.

Jason (16:44):
McLaren is cool too.
Piastri is becoming a fan here,and then you can see basically
the connectivity here on howthings connect, and that's about
it.
It's a very short topic, it'sjust a great tool.
And you might not notice thisright, because if you're just
sim racing and you're notlooking at headlines, the old

(17:07):
software is not gettingautomatic updates, no more.
So it's not like oh, I'm goingto get a notification to tell me
to update the software.
No, this is a totally differentsoftware that you have to
install and then they willimport all your previous data
into it and from then on youdon't need that previous

(17:28):
software, and I'm not.
This isn't a placebo effect, butwe just raced today at Monza
and Mike from the Sim Racingthen was there, and so was our
boy, neil, the top shotter youall know him from the last
episode and we all noticed anincrease in fidelity.
For some reason they didsomething to that wheel where I

(17:49):
actually had to turn the forcesdown, which was kind of
interesting, and the pedals too,they did something.
They did something that wasfine-tuned.
They finally released therelease candidate, because this
software has been in beta sincethe pedals came out and they've
been improving it like everymonth.
So I for one avoided the beta,because I use my rig every week

(18:13):
for racing and I need things towork.
I don't need a bug to happenand I lose the brakes on the, on
the sim.
It's going to make me upset.
So when I, when they finallysaid, hey, this is ready to go,
it's it's final software, then Iwas a little more um, give me a
little warm and fuzzy to goahead and try it.

Jeff (18:32):
So give that a try it it's a little interesting when it
was released.
Yes, just a little interested.
You know, like just hey,somebody else was in the news,
rob Markman.
Oh, like Moza, rob Markman.
Oh, that, you know, it's funny,you brought that up yeah.

Jason (18:51):
And then you know Simicube was like yeah, no, we
need to get back to theheadlines.
Rob Markman Simicube is justflexing their arms in front of
Moza saying, well, our shit'sdone waiting, waiting the wings,
like all y'all are dropping outa little pedal.
Okay, here we go yeah, here yougo, here's, we're back on top.
Have fun.
The champ joy is here, hey.
But again, if you're, if you'relooking at the moza pedal and

(19:15):
that's I mean I'm telling you anactive pedal is better than no
active pedal.

Jeff (19:19):
I'll say that I can't wait , we got, they got to be
starting hitting, like theconsumers.
To the you know, the, the I'llsay that I can't wait, we got,
they gotta be starting hitting,like the consumers.
To the you know, the, the I'llsay amateur YouTubers who are
just out there, you know ourregular Joe's and paying for
their own stuff, like you know,like we are giving their opinion
on it, sim racers.

Jason (19:34):
Yeah, I can't.
I can't wait to see and I wouldlove for us to try the hardware
.
I mean, we're getting close tothat.
Yes, I would love to give youmore data and practical data
other than just things that wecan speculate on because we
don't have the stuff.
I mean, there is a sim racingexpo coming in September that

(19:59):
the chicane podcast may or maynot attend, but if we do, we're
going to be all over that.
Trust me, we're going to be allover it.
It's going to be a vlog in.
We're going to have all kindsof stuff set up there.

Jeff (20:13):
We're going to be over that and anything with a motion
rig.

Jason (20:16):
Anything with a motion rig, oh yeah.
And I'm going to tell the guyhey, this shit is too weak, turn
it, turn it, turn.
I need to max it out, please.
Like my head is still connectedto my neck right, I don't feel
anything.
No, g's, this is not even pointone of a g.
What are you doing?
So, anyway, that's, that's thenew software.
That's my topic for today.
Um, the winsims again, I'll getback to that on the next

(20:40):
iteration of the show.
So over to eric for the nexttopic yes, sir.

Erick (20:45):
So, speaking of you know, semi-cube and brake pedals,
just wanted to mostly get youguys opinion and, just kind of,
you know, being somebody who'strying to be faster, one of the
things that helps you go faster,ironically, it are your brakes,
right.
So the better you are atbreaking, the more accurate, the

(21:06):
more precision, the moreconsistent you can be, the more
on the on the line, on the edge,you can be, and so I wanted to
just ask your opinion, jason, Ithink I know yours already about
the different breakingtechnologies, right.
So there are a couple and I'mgoing to just kind of give a you

(21:27):
know share, a quick littleoverview of what the different
kind of break options are hereyeah, so, so we've got you know.
I think this is what mostpeople are probably running.
Once you um, get you a nice setof pedals so okay I have sim
magic, so this is something Iwas looking at.

(21:48):
Uh for upgrading my kit rightnow.
I'm just pure elastomers, andif you don't know what
elastomers are, they're prettymuch these different rubber yeah
rubber discs with a varyinghardness and people combine them
in different ways.

Jason (22:03):
Uh, the reds to simulate yeah, different stages of the
break yes yep, and they're.

Erick (22:11):
I mean, they're okay.
Uh, they're definitely like the, the entry level to that, like,
yeah, some of these are harder.

Jason (22:20):
Well, that's how we started bro you know, we started
with springs, then we went overto elastomer.

Erick (22:25):
Now we're on the active pedal, which is electric, right
yeah, yep, and so for me, I'mthinking about seeing no,
obviously, outside of going tolike an active pedal or
something like that, uh,upgrading to a spring elastomer
setup to kind of createdifferent zones in the breaking.
And, ironically, all of this isto try to emulate different

(22:49):
Pedal feel, yeah, differentpedal feel, which, like you said
, with your active pedal youalready got that.
You could dial it up, which isdope.
But something that I wascurious about that's specific to
SimMagic is Show this herethey're hydraulic braking, so

(23:16):
they have these kits, they havethem for the throttle, they have
them for the brake pedal.
I don't hear much about them,but in my mind this, combined
with a haptic motor, would giveyou a more realistic brake feel.
I don't know.

Jason (23:40):
Let's hear from Jeff.

Jeff (23:41):
real quick, I got something to say after that I
have never tried a hydraulic.
So this is everything I'm aboutto say is from what I've read
other people doing.
It is, I feel like that peoplewill die on the hill to say the
active pedal is the best.
I've never heard that peoplesay the hydraulic is, hands down

(24:03):
, better than load cell orelastomer.
Okay, it, my feel, is what itis.
Maybe I don't microscopic mightnot be the right word.
Incremental, it's incrementallybetter.
It's not like generational,it's like an evolution, not a
evolution, evolution, whateverit is.
Uh, it's like a baby stepforward, not like a

(24:25):
revolutionary product to hit thesim world, correct?

Jason (24:29):
that's a great answer, jeff, and and that I'll
piggyback on that because that'sexactly what I was going to say
.
It's a technology that wassupposed to replace the
elastomer, but it but it didn'ttake off, you know, and a lot of
pedal makers don't make this nomore.
They they moved away from, fromhydraulic, and it's because, um

(24:50):
, a lot of them leak after awhile, and it is known.
You know, it's like it's thesame thing with that hydraulic
e-brake they put a hydraulicthing on it and it's like okay,
but it's, it's just stiffer,it's just stiffer.
It's a smoother action, butit's very incremental.
Like Jeff said, it's a very.
You're looking at diminishingreturns for the money spent,

(25:13):
right?
I would not steer anyone to gothis route.
Even if you only had money foror budget, sorry, budget for a
basic set of pedals, I would saysave your money, learn proper
brake technique and set thepedals up the way you want,
using elastomers.
It's a tried and true.

(25:34):
Now there are pedals that haveangle sensors instead of
pressure instead of pressure, sothat's another option too, but
again, it's not perfect.
It's not one-to-one, it's not.
How do you say this?
It's not.
You're still using elastomersbehind that.

(25:55):
You know what I'm trying to say, and I'll have something to say
about elastomers here in asecond, but I'll let you
continue, eric.
It's a good topic, though.
I like this topic let youcontinue, eric.

Erick (26:06):
It's a good topic though.
I like this topic, yeah, andand like I say, being I've only
ever had one set of pedals andthe one of the draws outside of
the pricing, um, and they justlook cool and you know well,
made for the money yeah uh, weresome of the upgrade options.
And to your point, jeff I, I seethe hydraulics and I'm like
that looks, that looks cool.

(26:27):
It sounds like it would kind ofemulate what I have in the car,
right, but you don't hearanybody raving about oh yeah, I
upgraded to the hydraulics andit made a world of difference.

Jeff (26:39):
Made me faster, like I could never, go back.

Erick (26:42):
Yeah, and that's kind of the you know to my point earlier
about racing on the screeninstead of in VR.
The VR immersion wise isdefinitely like hands down
worlds beyond just the screen.
But to be faster, Right, itdoesn't add that and from what
y'all are saying it sounds likethat's the case, with the
hydraulic saying it sounds likethat's the case with the

(27:03):
hydraulic.

Jason (27:03):
This is 100% a marketing thing To make your pedals look
industrially Like.
Right there you go up, rightthere.
You see that when people startinverting pedals with this thing
, anything goes loose in there.
You got oil all over.
That's exactly what I wasalluding to about it.

Erick (27:26):
some people have been issues of it leaking so, okay,
that's good to know because,like I say, just, you know
you're out here and you'relooking at sites and you know
looking at mods and upgrades,and it's like that.
These have always kind of beenout there ever since I got my
pedals, but I never heardanything about them take the 180

(27:51):
and buy a haptic for your pedal.

Jeff (27:52):
I think you'd be happier in the long run.
Or save the 180 or just save it, yeah.
But I'm saying, if you're goingto spend 100, that 880 add-on
for pedals, I'd get the uh ifI'm not mistaken.

Jason (28:00):
I think they're the only ones.
Yeah, they're the only ones,and I think they're the only
ones still pushing this right.

Jeff (28:05):
You might be right.

Jason (28:06):
Because Hewson Bell doesn't push them.
I don't think I'm talking liketop-end pedals.
Obviously, simucube doesn'tpush them, moza doesn't push
them.
They all went and they movedover to the new technology,
which is the active pedal.

Erick (28:27):
Yeah, so what I'll do is I'm going to go with the $17.

Jason (28:37):
Yeah, so you have more customization?
Yeah, of course.

Erick (28:41):
And I feel like this will kind of address my needs of
being able to create a more,create different breaking zones
and breaking fields.

Jason (28:48):
So the whites are the softest ones and you use that to
create the spongy and thebeginning the spongy feel, and
your reds are your hardest ones.
I would, I would.
There's, there's different.
I think there's a page, if youscroll, scroll down that tells
you what the recommended.
Try the third one down, no no,no.

(29:11):
Keep going, keep going.
Two more, there we go, oh yeah,some of the different yeah.
If you want to simulate a GT4,then it's telling you to combine
the spring or whatever.
Oh, check that out.
Yeah, they have a guide for you, which is kind of cool.

Jeff (29:26):
Again starting point.
Yeah, and then you can do whatworks for you.

Jason (29:31):
Exactly.

Jeff (29:32):
Yeah.

Erick (29:33):
I need a little more.
I'm getting to a point where.

Jason (29:39):
But again, and that's my problem, that's the thing right
here.
Let's say, you installedsomething for a GT3 and then you
want to drive formula.
That brake is tuned now forformula.
So now you got to get on yourknees.
You got to get on your knees,unscrew the shit, get all the
things out, put them back in,look up the chart.
There's a benefit to having anactive pedal, so you can have a

(30:03):
hundred pedals with one set ofpedal, or an infinite amount of
pedals with a single pedal.

Jeff (30:10):
That's kind of-, and so your knees don't hurt.

Jason (30:13):
That's the candy right there.
It's candy Knees, knees back.
So I will say this aboutelastomers, not so much springs.
Even though springs go weak,they weaken after a while.
Elastomers have a tendency oflosing their you know, they just
get weak.
Same thing they get weak aftera while.

(30:34):
And when you my 3D print song,yeah, like if you want to there,
you go.
Your 3d print some, yeah, likeif you want to, there you go you
3d print tpu, I don't know, man, I don't know either putting
200 pounds of pressure on that.
You're gonna break somethingyeah we'll see jeff in the wall
and we'll know why so you know,if you look at, if you look at

(30:54):
elastomers right, when theystart to go, when they're new,
everything's fine.
Not soon, I mean very soonafter, like maybe a few months
of use, and some sooner thanothers.
Let's say, a car tends to lockup at 83%, for example.
This is just a simple exampleof iRacing.

(31:16):
Just a simple example ofiRacing 83% tire locks.
So you want to stay within themargins of the highest break
point 80%, 79, 78.
And then you trail off of thatafter you get to your max point.
So here's the thing Withelastomers you can hold 80, but
when the elastomer starts to getold, you can hold 80, but when

(31:44):
the elastomer starts to get old,your foot starts seeping down
automatically and the pressurejust doesn't have a consistent
pressure.
It can go up, it can go down, itcan go sideways.
That's the problem that I think.
Race Beyond Matter had a greatexplanation on that and it kind
of steered me to wait forsomething different.

(32:06):
Right, that's not, you know,elastomer, even though it's
relatively cheap to replace anelastomer as we're looking at it
here.
But still, it's a decision youhave to make.
That's my take on elastomers.

Erick (32:22):
Yeah, and that makes sense.
And that's the overall is.
You know you got to startsomewhere.
Elastomers and springs are good, easily replaceable.

Jason (32:33):
Yes.

Erick (32:34):
The hydraulics are essentially kind of a gimmick.

Jason (32:38):
It's a gimmick.

Erick (32:39):
Essentially yeah.
So that's that's good info tohave because, like I said, I've
got a haptic um active pedalobviously is, you know, a whole
nother stratosphere of pricingand so in your mind you're like,
well, the you know somethingelse might be a middle ground.
But I think really just forconsistency and speed.

Jason (33:02):
If you want to get faster .
I think that's the way, becauseyou can modulate the brake and
it's always the same number andyou have nothing to worry about
things getting loose or gettingweak.
It's electric.
It's an electronic motor thatmeasures pressure yeah, unless
it gets struck by lightning oh,man, then we got bigger problems

(33:23):
.
Then we got bigger problems,right.

Erick (33:26):
My rig is smoking.
I don't know what's going on,but yeah, just a little quick
question and something I've beenstruggling with.

Jason (33:38):
Yeah, man.
But yeah, man, yeah, you'rechasing the pedal field, which
is great, right.
That's kind of Sorry about that.
That's kind of the journey,right.
You start with the spring pedal, which is the G29 pedal, then
you move over to a load cellthat actually has a sensor
measuring pressure, right, andnow we have something new in the

(34:01):
technology that can improvethat.
But I'm not telling you to goout, run and buy an active pedal
.
That's something top end.
And what you're doing is you'relike, okay, how do I customize
the pedal to make it feel betterfor me?
And you're in that stage.
So it's everything by stages.
Nothing needs to happen, right,this minute.

(34:24):
You know what I mean.
That's just you know.

Erick (34:27):
I think that's good advice.

Jason (34:30):
You know the top drivers.
I'm not telling you that theycan't be the top drivers without
an active pedal, because theyprobably don't need one.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, to be the top driverswithout an active pedal, because
they probably don't need one.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, to be to be the top end.
Now, if you want to squeezemore time out of your time, then
that's how you get there, butif you're not hitting top split
with a regular set of pedals,then you might want to consider

(34:52):
the purchase.
However, convenience right ishaving the, the, the ultimate
customizable pedal in any sim,and that's where I come.

Jeff (35:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, maybe some magic will release their
active pedal for like 400 bucksa man yes, a man can dream my a
man cheaper than their ownpedals how much?

Jason (35:19):
are there $500, $600 right now.

Jeff (35:23):
So yeah, like for example, I'd imagine $800 is their sweet
spot for that thing you add$600 to a set of pedals, then
you add this hydraulic thing.

Jason (35:31):
You're looking at close to $800 anyway.

Jeff (35:33):
So that tech is going away 100%, where you can get a
active pedal from Boza foralmost the same price.
Yeah, very close to that price.

Erick (35:46):
It would be right there.
But something interesting.
So the you know Grand Turismohas their world championships
every year, like the fastestdrivers around the world.
I think the last time they hadthem in Canada they flew them up
there.
But the setup that they run onthey, if I'm not mistaken, they

(36:07):
don't use load cells, they justuse like what is it?
Just the sensor, like the hallsensor, pedals, what?
And they're like superconsistent To your point.
Jason, if you're fast on basicpedals, then getting these other
pedals and customizing themwill only help.

Jason (36:29):
But if you're slow on those.

Erick (36:31):
They're not going to make you faster.

Jason (36:32):
Right, nothing beats proper braking technique.
Yeah, if you have the technique, then the hardware is only
going to make you even faster.
Yeah, that's when the hardwaremakes sense.
But if you don't have thebraking technique or the
discipline or the line or thetrack or the race craft, all

(36:53):
those things come first beforethe juicy hardware.
The kid in town, the expensivelooking device, because they
look cool and everything andthey work great for immersion?
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, but that's the real,that's the real talk, man.
That's the real answer.
Right there, it's you.

(37:14):
You have to take it with agrain of salt.
Sometimes those types of youknow, you see YouTubers making
reviews and they're makingreviews and they're showing you
stuff that you might not need.
You know what I'm trying to say.
You might not need it.

Erick (37:30):
Yeah, I've been there once or twice.

Jason (37:34):
So, like something like a butt kicker which we keep
bugging, eric, a butt kicker is100% going to make you
understand what the car's doing.
And if you understand what thecar's doing underneath you
another point of referenceyou're going to get faster.
You're going to be able to savethe car when it's about to spin
out.

Jeff (37:53):
And, let's be honest, it is the single best thing for
immersion.

Jason (37:57):
One of the.
Yeah, it's why I can't bewithout it.
If it broke today, I'm going onbuttkickercom 100%.

Jeff (38:05):
Like when it doesn't turn on for whatever reason, like I
don't even get out of my headwithout knowing.

Jason (38:11):
I'm like something's wrong.

Jeff (38:11):
Something's wrong yeah.

Jason (38:13):
Everything's, I can't race, I'm not.
I guess I'm'm not racingtonight, but thankfully they've
been super reliable knock onwood nothing, not even not a
hiccup, never.

Jeff (38:23):
So yeah yo mine fell off the seat.
The the bright fell off themount the other day, like under
underneath the seat mid-race andit's like on a tile floor, off
the rig and stuff and I'm likedriving trying to unplug it from
the from the amp.

Jason (38:43):
It was a disaster, dude, that's cause you'd be running
some high freaking forces, I betyou uh, or what do you call
that?
Um?

Jeff (38:52):
yeah, I have it.
Yeah, I have for the RPMs ofthe motor, revin Cause, most of
the time I do formula.

Jason (38:59):
So I like it, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what's
up, all right, so thank you somuch, uh, eric, for that.
That's a good um, I guess anupdated topic, because we have
been over breaks before, but nowwe have new stuff, right, we
all.
We have new things coming outand I don't know where you are
in your sim racing journey, butthere's a lot of options for you

(39:20):
now and it's like overwhelming.
It's getting out of control.
Is what's happening?
Getting out of control?
It's a good thing, it's a verygood thing, yeah, but that's
what we're here for, right?
We're here to advise you.

Erick (39:34):
That's why I asked y'all man I've been waiting for weeks
to ask y'all this question.

Jason (39:38):
I can either make you spend money or you save money.
It's your choice.
The choice is yours.
But over to Jeff, jeff, whatyou got for us this week,
brother.

Jeff (39:49):
All right, I got a topic F1,.
The season has just started.
Time of this recording.
We've got through two races.
We'll talk about that a littlebit later, but um, our favorite
game hasn't come out yet no wayea's f1 and this year will be 25

(40:10):
.
So my discussion is gentlemen,realistically here, what do you
hope is going to be in F one 25?
I'll go first, cause I've beencomplaining about this for all
48 episodes that we've beendoing this show EA.
All I'm asking for is a mouse.

(40:33):
That's it, man.

Erick (40:36):
A mouse.

Jeff (40:37):
I have other things, but I'll yeah, I'll ask you,
gentlemen, like, realistically,you want to know what do you got
well?

Jason (40:44):
or here's wait till you hear mine you give me two things
.

Jeff (40:47):
So what do you realistically hope would is
going to be in it?
And then what would have to bein it for you to buy it?

Jason (40:54):
okay that's a good question eric, you want to go
first, or shall I take theplunge?
Let me know, yeah, I'll gofirst.

Erick (41:02):
Well, I'll go first because mine's going to be kind
of short and sweet VR on PS5.

Jason (41:11):
Okay, VR on PS5.
That will make you buy it onPS5.

Jeff (41:15):
Yeah, for sure, I think it's got VR support for for pc
yeah yeah, yeah for pc.

Jason (41:22):
Yeah, okay, you ready for this one?

Jeff (41:25):
oh, I'm ready buddy, let's go.

Jason (41:28):
so the one thing I want from ea, and this is directly to
ea no, no f's given, you know,no straight chaser right here,
straight no chaser.
Straight, no chaser.
Ea.
I need you to cancel F1 andsell the license to iRacing.

(41:49):
Let's go, that's what I needyou to do, right now.

Jeff (41:54):
Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen this year, but I
hope so next year.

Jason (41:57):
Because even if you put a mouse, even if you add graphics
, your physics are trash,garbage, we all know it, garbage
.
And you have all the goodies,you got the career mode, which
is great, you got the cars, thegraphics you know the graphics
on the cars and everything else,but your physics are garbage.

(42:21):
And no offense to those thatplay f1.
I understand there's afollowing, there's an esports
with that game, but that's whatit is.
It's a video game.
I want a simulator, I want tosimulate f1 I got another gripe
with it.

Jeff (42:33):
Yeah, get in the cockpit get in the car driving above the
halo yeah, oh yeah, that'scheating that's not driving,
that's a video game and it'sweird, man, it's like an offset
camera too.
It's like off to the side andyeah, I think people do it
because they can see more aroundthe car.
They're higher, can see thecorners, um, but it's a yeah,

(42:56):
it's a video game-esque.

Jason (42:58):
You know what would make me try it.
I'll tell you.
If you want to keep F1 and youwant to keep it relevant, we
need a complete overhaul.
Whoever's working for you, firehim right now.
Or her or her, sorry or they,them, you know, whatever All of
it, Anybody, anybody that'sworking for them.
I need an overhaul ineverything your tire model, your

(43:24):
suspension and the physics,everything and a proper triple
screen support so that way mymirror doesn't look like that on
my left monitor or somethinglike that, because it's all
stretched out.
It looks like ass.
Sorry, there's no other word,it just looks bad.
Oh that sucks.

Jeff (43:44):
So here's some data points .
It does come out for earlyaccess on May 27th, so we got a
bit of time about two months,which is weird because it came
out in like mid to late februaryfor 24, it's like I know, like
you lost all the all themomentum that, like actual f1,

(44:07):
you know has at the beginningand it's not like they're doing
anything.

Jason (44:09):
The game is done, it's just sitting in the.

Jeff (44:11):
They're not doing anything to this, you go to the website,
right, and this is theirfeatures as breaking point three
.
Okay, that's my, my team 2.0okay and more to be revealed we
know what's wrong brah, come on.
Nothing about tire malls,nothing about driving, nothing

(44:34):
nothing, they say.

Erick (44:35):
They're not even blowing smoke this year, blowing out the
smoke last year about thephysics and all of that, and
they got lewis hamilton all overit like they're trying of
course you know, like justthat's the celebrity they have
to have them.

Jeff (44:49):
I think you smoked it out of the park.
Just give it up.
Just give it up, dude.
I racing would be badass if youcould get in there with the
licensed cars and all that stuff, because, like what?
The W13, I think Maybe the SF…23?
, 23 are pretty much the closestones you're going to get to an

(45:11):
F1 car and you can put skins onthe SF23, but you can't put
skins on the W13.
Just play AMS2, yeah, I know youcan't race other content
manager, yeah, content manager,you can simulate all that stuff
but and there's no drs and ersin one car, you know, on iRacing
, so that's kind of takes alittle bit away from it iRacing

(45:35):
has done as much as they can,but 100.

Jason (45:37):
They've showed you that we have the potential of making
an actual F1 car that behaveslike an F1 car.

Jeff (45:48):
Because that.

Jason (45:48):
Mercedes is a beast.

Jeff (45:50):
It's a handful.

Jason (45:51):
It's a handful but that's what it's supposed to be right,
it's supposed to be 100%,absolutely.

Jeff (45:57):
I don't care if they just make it an A license only Like
it wouldn't give me a reason totry to become an A to drive it.

Jason (46:02):
Yeah.

Jeff (46:03):
I mean, I can do the W13, but it's.
Nobody's racing it, they havelike two races a week, on it on
Saturday nights.
And it's kind of cool yeah.

Jason (46:13):
They don't have the updated model.
They don't.
They don't have teams.

Jeff (46:17):
You're racing the same car .
Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, thatsucks.
I think ea really dropped theball last year, um and with like
hey, we're changing stuff, andit was like they put lipstick on
the pig, you know you andyou're saying bro where the hell
is this?

Jason (46:34):
coming from, so yeah it's just so.

Jeff (46:37):
I'd be surprised.

Jason (46:38):
I'd be shocked if this thing releases well yeah, three
day early release kids watch outagain I want to apologize for
all.
That was a very, very bashymoment for the chicane podcast
against f1 games, but you knowwe were honest, we're just
frustrated.
I'm frustrated.
Frustrated, that's just there'sone word for it.

(47:00):
Frustration is mine'sdisappointed.
There's a bang bro, that's yeah, I mean like I love formula
driving.

Jeff (47:08):
That's the premier title that you're getting and it's a
shit product.
That's what brought you to simracing yeah, when I first got it
that's all I wanted was F123when it came out.
Yeah, that lasted for about 20minutes Then chasing up on ACC
and iRacing, and the rest ishistory.

Jason (47:27):
Yeah, man, and AMS too.
You got the content managergoing.

Erick (47:31):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Jason (47:34):
No, h least you know, it served this purpose of showing
us that things are better and wehave options, which is terrible
.
I'm so sorry for you guys.
If you're a fan of F1 24 or 23or any of the F1 games, shout it
out, say it loud and proud,leave a comment below.

(47:55):
You know they do have flip usoff.

Jeff (47:58):
Yeah, I mean they do have cool.
You know weekly challengeswhere you do like your fastest
lap of the week at the trackthat the real f1 circuit is on
that week, right, so you canrack and stack yourself amongst
peers.
Your, you know other people forthat track and you do the next
one the next week.
That's kind of cool, but likeit's still not a good sim, yeah

(48:21):
right yeah, they're really it'sclose.

Jason (48:24):
they don't really have to do much other than a new tire
model and suspension and theyalways they come out with this
mark, my words, everybody.
They'll come out with a videoshowing the, showing some
engineers working on a computerand looking at data and they got
all the cameras and stuff andyou drive.

Jeff (48:44):
It's funny like that, bro, if I see one person on YouTube
saying this is the best thing,bro, come on.
I mean you either get it forfree.

Jason (48:56):
I would be surprised, seriously.
I would be surprised, seriously, I would be surprised because
this game is geared yeah, thegame is geared around consoles
for you to yeah, that's true,I'll give them that play the
game with the controller, and ifthat's all you have, then by
all means play F1 race with yourbrong.
But if you're building a simand it's for F1, I would.

(49:18):
I would think twice yeah, Ithink twice about that.

Erick (49:21):
Yeah, still build the sim I will say this um, they would
do a lot better if they put theenergy and effort into coming
out with a realistic tire andsuspension model and geared it
toward people with wheels andpedals on PC.
There are not a lot of consoleplayers playing.

Jason (49:42):
F1.
You know what the problem is,eric.
Oh, okay, it costs too muchmoney for them to do that and
it's deepening into their profit, because EA is a for-profit and
we all know this.

Erick (49:54):
Yeah, I mean them.
F1 licenses are not free.

Jason (49:57):
I wonder what the colors are going to be this year.
Is it going to be blue and red?
Is it going to be black andyellow?
Is it what's the color schemethis year?
You know, but yeah, enough ofthat, enough of the bashing.
We got like what 15 minutesworth of straight bash, please.
Anybody forward this to EA.
If you know the CEO over therehaven't watched this game
podcast, please, and send themand tell them to send us an

(50:20):
email and we will address thisfor you, for free, off the
payroll.
I'll tell you what you need todo, eric will tell you, jeff
will tell you, any one of uswill tell you.
With that, it's that time, whattime?
It's that time, it's that timefor track of the week.
And we're back, baby, fullspeed.

(50:42):
And today, where we at well,let me just put it this way I
had a terrible race at Monza andI figured we gotta give it
props.
And that's what we're coveringtoday.
Man, we're gonna go overAutodromo di Monza, I think it's

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called Monza.

Jeff (51:05):
Hit us with it, buddy.

Jason (51:06):
Let's get right into it.
Yes, sir, it's been a whilesince we've done one of these
and I'm excited to bring it back.

Jeff (51:14):
This is pretty cool man.
This one should have plenty ofhistory.

Jason (51:17):
Yes, so that's the track as of, and we can, let me just
put this in shot.
There we go.
Look at the many, many, many,many many changes that this
thing went through.
So we're going to go, we'rejust going to do a quick glance
around and see this is adifferent layout, and just see

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how oh it hasn't really.
It looks like a sock.

Jeff (51:43):
Oh, you took the words out of my mouth.
It looks like a sock.
Oh, you took the words out ofmy mouth.

Jason (51:49):
I'm just going to glance over real quick and then we'll
go into the history andeverything with it.

Erick (51:53):
Okay, so a couple of those are interesting.

Jason (51:56):
It's just a very.
There's some variations here.
To slow her down, you know howthey do Dude that thing is that
I'm going to butcher it.

Jeff (52:03):
You'll get into it before I say it.
Which one?
The Prima Ventre?

Jason (52:08):
Prima Variante.
That's a death trap.
You know what that means Deathtrap.

Jeff (52:13):
that's what it means, At least in Spanish it means cousin
and variante means variedcousin.

Jason (52:19):
Yeah, yeah, it should be.
I bet you it's the same.
We'll see, we'll find out.

Jeff (52:24):
I'm not sure we got people that know that listen to us
maybe, oh yeah.

Jason (52:27):
We'll find out, we'll find out, we'll find out,
anyways.
So let me leave the track upand we're going to stay in 1922,
because there's a reason forthat being that way.
Wow, so Monza's history beganshortly after the First World
War.
Here we go again, with warhaving the biggest impact on

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motorsport.
That's crazy, isn't?
It Makes sense, it says.
When italian motor industry wasundergoing its first great
ascendancy, authorities beganlooking for land to create, uh,
a circuit to test their cars anddemonstrate the rest of the
world their superiority throughsporting success.

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Gallarte and La Cagnola, nearMilan, were initially
suggestions.
So they were trying to figureout where to build it right.
So they were looking at thosetwo places, it was proposed.
It says here I kind of lostmyself, hold on.
So Milan, yeah, they wereinitially suggesting.

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They got rejected.
Some farsighted visionaryproposed the Royal Park at Monza
, at the Automobile Club.
This too, it was called theSIAS, the Societa Incremento

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Autodromo Sport.
Say that three times fast.
Under the presidency of SilvioCrespi, agreements were made
right.
And then the engineer, pieroPuricelli, who began to develop
many of the pioneeringAutostrada routes across

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Lombardy and was entrusted withheading up the design.
And at the time, back then,we're looking at 16 million liar
.
It's crazy.
Wow, at 16 million liar.
It's crazy, wow, 16 million.
Yeah, venenzo Lancia and FeliceNazaro duly turned the first
side on February 26, 1922, whichis the version that we're

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looking at here.
That was the first time.
That was the first time.
Construction would only getunderway for a matter of days
before conservationists, if Iread, that correctly.
Yeah, here we go Back thenalarmed at the number of trees
due to be felled.

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Didn't this happen in anothercircuit?

Jeff (55:16):
Yeah, australia, and it forced it to a halt.

Jason (55:20):
Yeah, Similar story.
They were fighting back andforth with negotiations with
Rome by the authorities andeventually they got permission
to do it and they modified thecourse using as many of the
existing park roads and pathwayspossible, which means they cut

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the trees down, that's basicallywhat happened?

Jeff (55:49):
we're gonna tell you some something, but we're just gonna
do whatever we need to do.

Jason (55:52):
Okay, yeah, we waited a while and we're gonna.
We'll talk about it, but we'redoing it anyway.
So yeah, anyways, 3,500 bro.
3,500 workmen were brought intocomplete construction, 300
wagons back then and 200 trucksand an even three mile temporary
railway laid out among.
So take out the trees, bro.

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3,500 people just cutting downtrees, dang, and in just 110
days the entire complex wascompleted.
That's wild 110 days Moving.
Yeah, they were trying to getthat done.
It was obviously important tothem.
The combined road andhigh-speed oval course,

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grandstands, service roads andthe other facilities were all
ready for the Grand Prix, andSolomano, giacone and Lampiano
turned the first laps around the6.21 mile circuit a few days
ahead of an elaborate openceremony which saw 200 cars

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driven by members of the MilanAutomobile Club.
So they celebrated.

Erick (57:13):
Wow.

Jason (57:13):
They celebrated.

Jeff (57:14):
Dude Milan said no, I wouldn't let them over to my
track.
If their home city said no, I'dbe like no go find your own
track.

Jason (57:22):
Yeah, man, go figure it out, go figure it out, that's it
.
So the early days were like thehappiest times of the circus
history Italy leading the worldwith both cars and its
facilities.
The sense of celebration was tobe cruelly shattered just a few
years later, during the 1928Grand Prix.

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So let's move over.
Oh, we're still in the sameconfiguration.
For reasons that never beenentirely clear, the Talbot of
Matsuramaterasi suddenly servedto the left while overtaking
another car on the grandstand,straight Plowing through the
barriers and into the crowd.

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28 spectators killed.
Jeez, that's terrible.
And we still don't know what.
Actually.
You know the full story to that.
Wow, in the 20s, yeah, 30people, almost 30 people died.
That's crazy.
So the changes were inevitable.
Obviously, spectator safety wasimproved.

Jeff (58:24):
And by 1930 let's move over to 1930 same same I don't
see much of all they put thelittle loop in over on the uh,
the track, the pit area, maybeon the oval.

Jason (58:38):
Let's see what it says here.
A new configuration was createdwith the installation of a link
road which you're correct, jeffbetween the central straight of
the road course and the easternstraight of the speed course,
cutting out the north curvealtogether, known as the Florio
course Right.

Erick (58:58):
Oh, okay, they got that third one, that third
configuration.

Jason (59:02):
This was using variety of formations in preference to the
full course.
But even then, tragedy was notfar away.
So a year later, some guy namedFelipe Antancelin left the road
at Lesmo Corners when the hellis Lesmo?
This one right here.
These are the corners.
Road at Lesmo Corners when thehell is Lesmo?
This one right here.
These are the corners the LesmoCorners Hold on.

Jeff (59:30):
I didn't realize it's got such a dark history.
Yeah.

Jason (59:35):
Okay, sorry about that.
Left the corners and guess whatguys Into the crowd.
Yep, oh God.
Careering into another group ofspectators.
Three died, including thedriver itself, and another 14
were injured.

Jeff (59:52):
Dang Terrible man.

Jason (59:54):
So then, after that, they're going to call this Black
Sunday.
And listen to this, guys.
On 1930, 1933, on the southcurve of the speed circuit,

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giuseppe Campari P3, you findthat on the map.
This is in Italian.

Erick (01:00:21):
I don't know it's a final corner, let's this is in Italy.

Jason (01:00:24):
I don't know it's.
It's a final corner, let's just.
Let's just call it that, ok.
Alpha Romeo and BocconiBorrachini my Maserati slid off
an oil laid down the previouslap by a competitor.
Both were killed instantly.
Then, later the same day, countStain's Law I can't say his

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last name overturned on thesouth curve and caught fire.
The Polish driver died in anensuing blaze.
Those events led to the virtualabandonment of the combined and
speed courses in the followingyears, further variations of
Florian road course beingpreferred after one last Italian
Grand Prix and the originalcourse in early 1938.

(01:01:12):
Man, so we jumped over here.

Erick (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Jason (01:01:18):
So then war happens, right, because we're in the
midst of this stuff, it says.
Under plans drawn by engineerAldo Di Rionzo, the blacked oval
course was demolishedaltogether and a new Grand Prix
course was devised.
This saw the installation of anew Vialone curve and an

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extended back straight which ledinto two sharp right this is in
1938 that this happened Twosharp right-handers and a
complete lap head back to back,straight to finish.
Changes were also made to thetwo Les Mo corners which are
these guys over here, andbypassing the cool background

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that was installed at the behestof Pirelli.
So let me just summarize thisfor you guys.
A bunch of facilities gotupgraded the new grandstand,
they upgraded the seating to2,000 people.
But then the war happened andnew improvements were never
tried.
In anger, I guess, all racingactivities seized at.

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Monza Buildings were used forvarious purposes during the war,
including safe storage ofpublic automobile registry
archives and even as pens forthe animals removed from the
Milan Zoo.
So they used it as an escape orlike a storage, or like a

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shelter, I guess, for animalsyeah, that's probably the best
word.
Yeah so in April 1945, let mesee if, here's, the course
changed significantly.

Jeff (01:03:02):
Yo, they like their speed, huh.

Jason (01:03:04):
Yeah, it kept it simple.
The Grandstand Strait was hostof a parade allied armored
vehicle which broke up the tracksurface.
A little later, large areaswere used for storage of
military vehicles and warsurplus, mainly in the southern
part of the circuit.
Besides the track, the pits,buildings, buildings and stands

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also suffered, and by war endslittle remained that was usable.
So he got jacked up.
So at the beginning of 1948that's why it looks like this.
Uh, again, the milan clubcompleted a restoration on it.
Oh, oh.

Jeff (01:03:44):
Milan decided to help out this time.

Jason (01:03:46):
Yeah, the circus was re-dyed in a very short time
frame.
In less than two months thefacilities were restored and the
improvements of 1938 couldfinally be used as they were
used originally.
So let's move over to 1955.
We're going to get through this, guys.
So it's a big history with thistrack.

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By 1955, ambitions had grownfurther and plans were put into
place to recreate the high-speedbank circuit.
This roughly followed thecourse of 1922 original, save
for the south curve which wasset closer to the pit straight.
The new high-speed loop wasbuilt on reinforced concrete

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pillars rather than earth banksand cut through the Vedano
course, necessitating a newfinal parabolic curve, just like
1922.
New final parabolic curve, justlike 1922.

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So the full 6.21 mile coursecircuit was used in the Italian
Grand Prix in 1955 and 1956through the 60s up to 61.
So move over here.
We're here in this generation.
The high speed track, inaddition to numerous records
attempted by cars andmotorcycles, was used in 1957
and 58.
The Monza 500 races open toIndianapolis cars with two world

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trophy offered by size, excuseme as prized by the Monza city
administration.
So let's look at 1959.
So the size group I mentionedearlier introduce a new short
course for the popular juniorsingle uh seat categories called
Pista Junior, so I don't knowwhy it's not on here, but it's

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probably this right here.

Jeff (01:05:43):
Quick little oval.

Jason (01:05:44):
Yeah, right right here, over here, pista junior.
Uh, tragedy once again.
In 1961, rampri for the lasttime on the full course, during
the second lap, the ferrari ofwolfgang von trips and lotus of
jim clark tangled in the brakingarea of parabolicica, which is

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right here, sending the German'scar into the air and rolling
across the spectator zone.
Bond trips, 10 spectators dead,jeez again.
Yeah, a disaster, largely, dude, don't?
I mean it would be crazy foryou to go and watch this race.

Erick (01:06:27):
The body count on this thing is crazy.

Jason (01:06:29):
Yeah, we're over 50 bodies right now, just on
spectators.
The disaster largely spelledthe end for the full circuit
with this bank course.
Grand Prix races thereafterused Only ran the road course,
although it was used for Monza.
1,000 kilometers, whateverPrototype and Grand Touring from
1965 to 1969.

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Okay, Starting in 66, therewere two permanent chicanes at
the entrance to the bank curveand the courses were 100 meters
long.
Where is that chicane over?

Erick (01:07:12):
here, uh, somewhere find it, there's a couple on there
yeah, yeah.

Jason (01:07:16):
So they made changes and in in 1970, they made another
change um to the configuration.
They made the sports car switchto the road course, basically
what they were racing on.
So in 72, let's jump over to 72, and they added chicanes here.

Jeff (01:07:36):
Yeah, we're starting to get to be what it looks like
today.

Jason (01:07:39):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm going to summarize because it's a lot
of history, guys.
But eventually they made thesechicane was introduced in the
grandstand slightly clumsy, slowspeed flick, just before the
entrance of the junior circuit.
The track also increased bylength by 109 yards.

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And in 73, there was anotherblack Sunday, during the first
lap of the 250cc GP, a collisionat Curva Grande, which is this
one right here, which is a fastcorner, very fast.
There was another collisionbetween the deaths of both Jarno

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Cernan and Renzo Pasolini, soafter that they canceled the
race.
But more tragedy arrived 40days later in a junior race with
three gentlemen riders fell andwere fatally injured at the
same point.
Then in 1981, we're skipping to81, the 80s here which the

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track kept changing to try tomake it safe.

Jeff (01:08:55):
Just trying to slow them down.

Jason (01:08:57):
Just trying to slow them down.
That's like the common thing,right?
Why chicanes were placed.

Jeff (01:09:05):
Except the Australia track .
They took all that stuff out tomake it go faster.

Jason (01:09:09):
This one was a motorcycle accident and was transferred
elsewhere.
Uh, that happened in thejuniors.
Uh, no one died, thankfully.
So well, I'm gonna skip over to94.
The 1994 season forced furtherchanges on many circuits in the
wake of the death of AyrtonSenna Monza was no different.

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The second Lesmo curve wastightened, reducing speed
considerably, while thefollowing year further changes
were made to increase safety atkey spots.
Cuba Grande was realigned withits new radius some 12 meters
further to the inside thatpreviously, greatly enlarging
the runoff area.

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De La Roja's chicane was alsobrought further forward in the
lap by 50 meters, while the twocurves, the Lesmo curves, which
are these guys, meters, whilethe two curves, the Lesmo curves
, which are these guys, wererealigned some 15 meters further
inside the circuit perimeter.
Sadly, these changes alsoinvolved the demolition of Lesmo

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grandstands, removing afantastic viewing spot once and
for all.
But so many people died hereman All right.
Yeah.
So to recap here the finalchanges involved in rebuilding
the first chicane in the summerof 2000, the new almost
triangular hairpin combinationproviding a new overtaking point

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but doing little to alleviatethe traditional first lap
carnage, which is still likethat.
It's still a carnage at thistrack To this day.
Yeah, if anything, the tighter,slower combination of curves
might actually have made itworse.
So, following a disastrous 2009World Superbike event where

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riders were toppled likedominoes and shallower slip
roads was built for bike racing,which eased the problem
somewhat, which that's what kindof?
Actually, this is the samelayout.

Erick (01:11:18):
Yeah.

Jason (01:11:20):
So this is what we're looking at today.
It kind of got shortened.
It used to be 6.1, and it gotshortened to 5.7.
Yeah, on all three versions.
But yeah, that's Monza.
The first video game to featureMonza was a game called

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Endurance.
Monza was a game calledEndurance.
It doesn't say what console itwas, but it's something called
the CPC and a spec.
If you know what those consolesare, probably some PC stuff.
But yeah, that's what I have onMonza.
We can look at the map here onan aerial shot, if it lets me do

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it.
But this is the track here andits surroundings.
It's not the best looking thing, but you know the drill.
That's track of the week.
Yes, sir, let's get back to thechicane podcast and wrap up
here.
Oh yeah, so what do?
Back to the chicane podcast andwrap up here?
Oh yeah.
So what do you guys think ofMonza?

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Like, what's the first thingyou think when you get on this
track?

Erick (01:12:34):
Ferrari, please, please, let me survive this first
chicane.

Jason (01:12:37):
The first chicane.
The first chicane.

Erick (01:12:40):
Just let me get past the first chicane.

Jason (01:12:42):
The breaking point is a lot sooner, especially with the
amount of draft that you getwhen you're racing.
It's the worst you have to.

Erick (01:12:51):
It's the worst combination.
You got cold tires with a wholelot of draft.
Right, and I mean, that's acane, it's not slight, no, it's
a cool, hard, almost greaterthan 90-degree turn.

Jeff (01:13:06):
Yeah, man Dude, here's the put-it perspective.
When F1 has their start,there's about a third of the
field that goes through thatchicane, and those are the best
in the world.
What do you think us idiots atiRacing are going to do?
We ain't got a chance.

Jason (01:13:24):
Yeah, man, that was.
If you watch my stream today,you will know what happened on
the first corner, which was itwasn't that bad, but I came to a
complete halt, meaning I had tostop in front of the car, like
behind the car in front of me.
It was just crazy to get outthe way.
But, yeah, a lot of people wentoff track to avoid the carnage,

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which is the smartest thing,honestly.
Yeah, deal with the penaltylater, but we don't want to
wreck nobody on the first lap Onendurance race too, is what we
did today.
Hey guys, track of the week.
That's it for this week ontrack of the week.
Sorry, that was a littlelengthy, but I had to give it
the respect that it earned.
Uh, a lot of people, a lot ofpeople passed away there and

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hopefully that that all thechanges that they made
throughout the course of almostan entire century uh, hopefully
we fixed the problem or we madeit somewhat safe.
Uh, but it's time for roundtable.
Anything we forgot and I willput this out right now Yuki

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Tsunoda is replacing Liam Lawson.
Just after two races, he gone.
Yeah, I want to listen, I wantto hear Jeff.

Erick (01:14:42):
I want to hear him.
All right, let's hear it.

Jeff (01:14:44):
I'm going to say I got a hot take here.
I know we've been going for aminute, but I got something to
say here.
Yuki Tsunoda is an average F1driver.
Hmm, I took some.
I did some studying.
What's Yuki Tsunoda's average?
Finish Right.
In a lesser car, sure I RightIn a lesser car, sure I'd still

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say that Yuki Tsunoda's averagefinish is 13.8.
14th position is Yuki Tsunoda'saverage finish.
That means there's only sixpeople behind him.
Well, I'll tell you what, andaverage is four people ahead of
him.

Jason (01:15:23):
Yuki Tsunoda is going to his hometown track in Suzuka,
japan, which happens to be he'sgoing to be a freaking legend
which, in a Red Bull, right In ateam, in a high performance
Honda powered let's get it rightyou can call it whatever you
want.
You can call it the Red Bullengine, you can call it the
Netherlands engine.

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It has a Japanese engine behindunder the hood.
You just can can call it thenetherlands engine.
It has a japanese engine behindunder the hood.
Yeah, you just got a big h on itit's got a big old h on it, uh,
so I don't know, maybe that'llhelp inspire him.
Like yo, I'm on my home track,I'm in the baddest, one of the
baddest cars on the, on the, youknow yo, here's a.

Jeff (01:16:03):
Here's a hot take for Yuki .
If he doesn't get in the points, he could be done F1 for his
career at the end of the season.

Jason (01:16:11):
I don't think so.

Jeff (01:16:12):
He's not going back to the JV team.

Jason (01:16:16):
No, because they'll just get rid of Lawson and put Yuki
in there because Yuki'sperforming.
He qualified fifth place.
He was two tenths under max perstep in in a lesser car, let
that sink in and they did somepoor uh uh strategy that really
hurt the red bulls or the cashapp, his result can be a result

(01:16:39):
of the team failing him too wegotta it was yeah there's so
many things with this, and thecool thing is that we're
actually on time, because therace doesn't happen until april
by the time you watch this,it'll still be relevant, so I
had to take the opportunity toput that and I gotta give my man
, kimmy antonelli, some propshere.

Jeff (01:16:59):
What are dry?

Jason (01:17:00):
two drives for the rookie and we'll say 18 year old uh,
he, he is, he's a baby, he's noteven old enough to drink yet,
but he's driving a freaking he'sdriving a billion dollar car
out of that I don't know so allright.
So, uh, okay, we kind of wentover predictions, right, jeff

(01:17:21):
eric, anything else?

Erick (01:17:24):
um, just wanted to put out that GT7 had an update.
They released some cars, threecars.
Only one of them is remotelyinteresting the Aston Martin
Vantage 2018.
It's nice.

Jeff (01:17:37):
Not a sports car, but a sweet looking car.

Erick (01:17:40):
Yeah, nice road car.
If GT7 has some open world,something that'd be awesome.

Jeff (01:17:45):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, aside of that, nothing else
really major all right no, ohyeah, no f1 this week, like you
said, and uh, to everybody getjumping in this week, drive fast
and break late I had to give itto you, man, I need you to, I'm
getting back on it.

(01:18:07):
I'm getting back on it.
I won't be prompting anymore.
Yeah, man.

Jason (01:18:10):
So it's always great to be here, guys.
Sorry about the lengthy Monza.
I know I went a little extra,but again I had to give it the
honors.
It's great to be here.
We are reaching our 50thepisode here, which is a massive
milestone for a podcast.
It is one of the biggestmilestones for us, so thank you

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so much for your support upuntil this day.
That includes Jeff, Eric andeverybody watching and listening
.
Please have a great start ofyour week, Thank you.