#100 - Music Legends, Engaging Stories, and Personal Connections

Hello Friends,

Today, May 25th, we drop Episode 100.

We could have had tons of people on, fan fair and celebrations, but that's not our style. We stay true to who we are, two friends, who have stood the test of time. Jamming in a living room. Rocking out on Stage. Opening for national drawing acts such as Tony MacAlpine, Enuff Z'Nuff, Marshall Tucker Band, Sacred Reich and so much more. We were a local Arizona Band, Nemesis, which was in development with Metal Blade Records. Scott Conner, William Richard Carr III, Mike Michaels, and myself were a tight group of friends, lovers of music and performing. We were on the cusp and "life happened" and Chris stepped aside. The band moved forward, but was never the same. We lost Scott years ago - unexpectedly. Both Mike and Chris battled their demons, and came out triumphant. Our time on stage was epic. The stories, the life of a Rock n Roll Band is everything you think it is. Life of excess. Parties. Drugs, Drinking and the lot. We APPRECIATE You for taking this newfound journey with us! Without you, these numbers are not possible. Heard in 18 Countries. Over 75,000 plays on YouTube.Some hitting over 11k plays. IG and Facebook pages are thriving.We have guests booked weekly until July this year. From the Bottom of our HEARTS. WE appreciate you. We love you and are here, because you are helping us grow this organically. Here's to the next 100 episodes!

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Episode Transcript

(00:07):
And we're live. We are live.
Welcome to the Chris and Mike show.
I'm Chris, he's Mike and we are here.
Actually recording might be higher in quality once we
download it and save it to Spotify, Apple podcast and all
the other. Places it promised us right
there. And I saw it, yeah.

(00:42):
So that's Freeman from the rock'n'roll band Nemesis.
You know, I don't know who told me to do the little chicka
chicka things. Chicka chicka boom boom.
Or if I just made that up myself.
But I'm glad they ended up in there because that's the thing
that keeps me hooked every time.Like in between where you're
singing? Yeah.
It just flows. So it just leads right back into

(01:03):
your next line of every verse, you know?
I think that probably just organically came about when we
were rocking and rolling, man, when we were rehearsing and shit
and then talking before and after practices and talking
before and after shows and, you know, 'cause everything we did
just kind of evolved, right, 'cause you had the music
written. Yeah, I think it was one of
those things where we all said how are we going to fill that

(01:24):
gap, you know, 'cause all there was was drums and bass there at
that moment in time, which there's nothing wrong with that,
but I think we said something needs to be there to keep
people's interest into each line, you know?
Yeah, yeah, because interest is important.
In case you're you're just joining us, this is the Chris
and Mike show. We're on Instagram, Facebook and
YouTube soon to come. We're building a website at

(01:44):
Chris and mikeshow.com. And how cool was that that that
actually was available? It's awesome.
And I just closed my mind, man. I.
Just had a thought. That's where we're going to be
going live to twice a week, and we will post on that website
when those times will occur, butthat'll be a perfect place to go
live to every week. That will be a perfect place to
go live because there's, there's, there's, there's a way

(02:06):
to do it on YouTube because I set up, Mike knows this, you all
don't know this in the real world, but I set up on my
YouTube page a podcast. So therefore I have real estate
guy. It's called a moment with the
real estate guy. I drop it every Tuesday at 1:00.
But there's a little, you know, minute and a half, two-minute
segments of just things you got to know about buying or selling
a house. And I didn't realize it, but

(02:27):
YouTube, you actually have a, a,a tab for podcast.
So have our YouTube channel itself is just all about us.
So it doesn't really matter because we don't do organic
videos and stuff. Although I guess we could move
them, start moving them to the podcast tab and see what that
does. I don't know if it generates it,
if it sends it out to, you know,different places or what not.

(02:48):
So that'll be interesting to find out.
I'll watch mine and see how it evolves.
Now a fun thing when I was fucking around with with with
our page because I set up the shorts and stuff.
For those of you don't know, we have all the shorts and stuff
set up to where they're droppingtwice a day, morning and
afternoon. And I haven't scheduled out till

(03:10):
I don't know like June because we have so many shorts and
stuff. And what what that does is helps
you guys like see little, you know, snips and pieces of us and
then, you know, prompts you to go to the big, the big, the big
show, right? The Big Show.
The big show on the big show today.
So I told him I, I sent Mike because I was looking at him as

(03:30):
I'm scheduled because they're all in drafts.
We had a short. It was, we have a short because
it's still there. That's 25 seconds long.
That was around about the time Eli was on the ballot for the
Hall of Fame for the NFL Hall ofFame, and Bill Belichick had
championed his reasoning why Elishould go to the Hall of Fame as

(03:51):
a first ballot football player, which we debated that and it's
all debated in the sports world.That damn thing had almost
12,000 views when I looked at itfor a.
Short for a short of a podcast that nobody even knows who we
are yet. That's.
Well, some people, some people do.
I mean, we made it to Australia,but that's because the guest
that was supposed to be on here today is actually in Australia,
so. Obviously, you know what I mean?

(04:12):
I mean, we're not already famouspeople who can drop a podcast
and automatically you have 100,000 listeners or a million.
So when you say something like that, it blew my mind too
because I'm fascinated at the ones that shoot up to 800 or
1000 real quick. You know, it's like that's
awesome. People are listening, they are
watching. I didn't mean nobody like you
people who are listening. We love you.

(04:34):
Thank you for listening. We're thankful that the podcast
is growing. Yeah.
I just meant that, you know, we're not Jennifer Aniston,
We're not a household Johnny Depp or, you know, right?
Right, right, right, right. I don't know why we're not
Jennifer's Aniston or Johnny Depp.
I mean, you know. I'm coming back as Jennifer
Aniston. Really like Ageless.
You want to jump all those dudes, huh?

(04:56):
I just want all that well, Well,yeah, I was.
I mean, if you're a chick, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't.
It doesn't, you know, whatever. Anyway, we're not going down
that path. We had a good time.
I'm having a good time. So hey, you know, so Australia,
I mentioned that and I would be remiss if I didn't do this
because when you, when you schedule an appointment with

(05:18):
somebody, whether it's it's, it's a podcast or whether it's
business, whether it's showing houses, whether it's you're
going to a lunch meeting and youknow, whatever.
Play my gig. When, when?
Yeah, when you schedule something with somebody well in
advance. And we had this conversation
around the time that Nikki had her birthday because I scheduled
that shit, you know, six months ahead of time.

(05:39):
If you're going to bail the night before, you're not.
We're never going to reapproach you and we're not going to come
back to you and say, oh, please be on our show.
So the guy that was supposed to be on today was a dude named
Lawson from Australia A or Australia by 8.
And as I, as I sent him the linklast night, he's like, oh, go to
Bill. Fuck you, dude.
That's all I got to say. You're going to schedule a time
with us. Our time is valuable.

(06:00):
We know what the hell we're doing.
People that are on this show have have had nothing but
positive things to say. It's helped their business,
their their their engagement, their social media platforms and
stuff grow. Why?
Because our conversations are centered around that person.
Mike and I don't have an agenda.No.
We aren't here no, we are here to talk to you to to find out

(06:22):
what it is you're looking to do in life what it is you're
champion what it is you've you've come from are going to do
and and stuff you like that. We do not we do not sell
anything. OK, this is this is hemp works
OK, feel free to reach out to melater and I'll tell you how I
can buy it, but don't bump this is.
You let me walk right into that.One, this is cleansing and

(06:43):
vitality energy. It's it's pretty legit, man.
She's pretty legit. I, I've tried it a couple days
and, and I'm like, that's it's, you get it, you feel it, you
feel a little bit of energy, youfeel a little woo, you know,
like, like. I'm going to reach out to you
after the show. Yeah, yeah, it was.
What was it, Ric Flair? Woo.
The nature boy. The nature boy.

(07:04):
The nature boy with the hip works.
Woo. So I talked to Nate Palmer
today. He's down on the 23rd.
We're going to record the show again with Nate Palmer, the
$1,000,000 body. He's fucking legit.
He's he's ripped. He's he's super healthy,
lifestyle guy, fitness trainer, all that kind of jazz.

(07:25):
Been there, done that, failed many, many, many times.
But in failing, he's learned howto grow his business, which is
cool. So he was on our show the day
that Mike couldn't be on the show because the Internet was
wacky and for for some reason that got like the highest rated
show we've ever had in the history of the Chris and Mike
show. That's a joke, Mike.
It was close. Actually.

(07:45):
No, I already watched it. It was.
You have to be here to help thisthing.
No Anyway. No, no, no, no, no.
I didn't realize you were makinga joke until.
You did. You were making a joke.
You got me on that one, I know. OK.
Hold on, keep, keep talking. So what I'm going to say so.
So Nate's coming on the bother. Keep talking.
That was a quick move. Hey, hold on.

(08:06):
No. Keep talking.
OK, so Nate, so Nate's coming onthe show getting Nate Palmer
$1,000,000 body and then we're having oh, fuck Peter Ho, who
was just on. I don't I don't know when his
show airs, but it's coming. It's coming quick, Nate.
Palmer is in the top 12 most listened to shows and Chris and
Mike show out of what, almost 100 show?

(08:27):
So yeah, that's why I would. I mean, I get it now, but I was
right there with you because it shot up the rankings quick so.
Yeah. Because you, I told you, you
guys not like I would have distracted from your energy.
I'm just saying he really added something to the show, just like
Mark did. I just got a compliment today on
the Mark Jeffrey show. Just, I mean, why wouldn't the

(08:49):
guy's been on the radio for 40? Years.
Yeah, pretty easy on the ears iswhat the person told me.
You know, just really enjoyed the stories.
And I said, yeah, how can you gowrong having a veteran radio guy
on your podcast? So thanks.
Mark. Well, right.
And the really cool thing about Mark and you and I think it
translated very well with with him being on the show and I
think you knew a little bit of of his character and the type of

(09:13):
human is but just interacting socially since.
Oh, I think I yeah, I think I said it on the podcast.
Like, I always wondered if what came through that traffic report
and the things that he did on television and, you know, are
are you the real deal or is it that guy's a genuine human
being. You know, he's got a beautiful
soul. Yeah, that's where I was going
with that. He's genuine.

(09:33):
He's not. And that was, if you haven't
listened to the show, I'd say goback and listen to it.
Because the cool thing about Mark, I met him when I was doing
my radio show on iheart Real Talk USA with the real estate
guy. And.
And every time I'd have guests come on, come into the studio,
the first thing we would do is we would give them a tour behind
the scenes of a radio studio. Because most people never get
that opportunity to actually go beyond that that door, because

(09:56):
you can go to the lobby, you know, to pick up tickets,
concert tickets and shit, whatever you.
Want to see the control room andright?
Exactly, so you so you step off the elevator on I heart right.
It's on the, it's on the 3rd floor where all the, where all
the, the, the shows and stuff are housed and where all the,
the DJs and personalities go. You step off the elevator.
There's, there's four sets of elevators, both sides.

(10:18):
You could out your face in the elevator, right?
So then you have three other ones on that little elevator
lobby. Well, to your left is, is the
fuck you're not getting in your door like secured lock down to
the right is the door to the lobby.
Everybody goes to the lobby because that's where you're
picking up your stuff. So, so everything in Arizona
that's I heart is 95 five 96998 seven 99.9 one O 2.5.

(10:42):
And then you have the AM stuff 6/29/10 and and the KFIYKFYIK
FYI2 right? So I was on the K FYI1 and two,
but so everybody's on that floor.
So I, I got to introduce Nikki to John Jay and, and Rich
because she she loved listening to John Jay forever.

(11:03):
So that was kind of a cool moment because you know, Nikki
is like 5-2, John Jay is like, you know, 6/2.
But that was really cool 'cause then, and then I'm not friends
with John Jay, but we know who each other are.
So every now and then on Instagram they'll be back tags
and shit like that 'cause he's just, he's again, he's a genuine
human, which is how Mark was. Because when we would go and

(11:24):
take people on the tour behind the scenes, they would see where
the bands come to play. Let Mark talked about when if
anybody comes through the Valleydoing a concert, typically the
afternoon of that concert, they'll come in and do a free
show, two or three songs and sign autographs and shit.
And then you go, you would go through the 910 Fox Sports
studio because who doesn't like sports?

(11:45):
Then we would take him through the traffic hub, which was
Mark's thing. And and the thing was huge, man.
I mean, I'm going to say like 5000 square feet of cubicles and
screens like everywhere. And then Mark had his own little
office on the side, but this thing was mammoth.
And he would just explain to people what he did and what all
this was about. It was really cool.
So during my time on the show, there was there was elections

(12:06):
and shit. So he would see all that stuff
going on. But that was a cool thing about
Mark. Once I turned that corner, I was
with Steve Giannini, the guy who's kind of behind my show
because I didn't have the keys to the Kingdom.
I had to. I was accessible with someone
who did. But then Mark would take that
tour over and he was just genuine and fun and funny and he

(12:26):
was everything. Everything he was doing was was
kind of just enhancing their experience of being at a radio
station that that most people will never get to see, which I
thought. That's awesome, man.
And then we'd end up going back into, into my, my space where I
recorded and which was a legit recording studio and, and, and,

(12:47):
you know, just hang out and Margie would be there.
And you know, Margie was my cohort on the show.
I'm going to steal your I never know how to, I never know how to
respond when someone says so you're friends with.
I liked how you said, well, theyknow who I am.
Yeah. Yeah, that's a great way to put
it. I'm going to start using that.
Like we're not friends. But yeah, if you asked them, do

(13:08):
you know who this is, they wouldsay of course, right?
So yeah, I mean, it's not like I'm going to call John Jeff, say
hey dude, come over for dinner. Tomorrow I just like the way you
put that. I'm going to use that.
But it's, I mean, it's it's, I think it's the easiest way to
because you're not name dropping, right?
You're not saying, oh, look at me, I'm so cool.
I know Mark Jeffrey, but I know Mark Jeffrey.
There's a call mark. Jeffrey, right now.
I think there's a difference between name dropping and being

(13:33):
necessity being a necessity for the story, right?
Yes. Sometimes I'll say I don't like
doing this, but because they're part of the story, you know,
this person or that group or whatever is involved.
Yeah, yeah. Agreed.
Yeah. Because I do not like people who
are like, hey, man, I was over at Brad Pitt's house the other
night. Like what?

(13:54):
Parking cars. Right if you just join us, this
is the Chris and Mike show. You can find us on Instagram,
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give us a follow on YouTube, subscribe all the kind of fun
stuff coming soon Chris and mikeshow.com, which Mike alluded
to earlier. We will forgot a way to make
this stuff go live through the website and and.
It'll be easy to do it to there.We just got to start building

(14:15):
it. I bought the domain name, we
just now got to build it. We should ask your brother, the
tech guy who's the best, easiestway to have a website?
Because all the websites I've ever built are real estate
related and I don't want to build a real estate related
website. I can look into doing that for
sure. For you I'm thinking
Squarespace. Squarespace Square.

(14:37):
So I head into. The Cave and do some research.
Going to The Cave. So that's from Pulp Fiction.
Don't be a square. OK, That's that's where I stole
that from right on. So I had this thing today.
I put battle of two songs, right?
And they're two iconic songs. Did you see that on my Facebook?
Did you not see my response? I've been, I've been fucking
around all day man, but OK. Good.

(14:58):
Like you have a job, you know you're out there working like a
real person. Not really.
I'm trying to work. I'm trying to get people to get
off the fence and buy some houses.
Like if you're listening you want to buy a house, call me
'cause. I know you're out there. 22,000.
Dollars. That's why I was being funny.
I know you're a funny guy. You're a.
Funny, what I said was, oh, that's a tough one.
Yeah, but I think Jack and Dianeedges out American Girl for me,

(15:22):
and it pained me to do that because I fucking love Tom Petty
like there's no tomorrow. That man was, I think he only
ever knew a good time his entirelife, and if anybody ever died
happy, it was him. Yeah.
And well, maybe because because he, he did, he was, he was in
some pain and shit when he died.And we, a lot of people think
that his, his overdose. I mean, obviously it was

(15:44):
accidental. He didn't, I don't think he
intended to kill himself that night, but the toxicology had
different kinds of painkillers and shit in him.
So I don't, I don't and. If that was the end for him,
yeah, then, you know, if that was his choice, that's that was
his choice. I mean, nobody wants to be in
chronic pain. But I'm just saying if you look
at his career, who would not have wanted to have been Tom

(16:07):
Petty? You know?
No, Agreed. Never hurt anybody.
Was never no. He went through a rough period
where his label tried to make him a parody of himself, and if
you watch the documentary that his daughter authorized, they
talk a lot about that where he ended up doing that Wildflower
album and his record company kept telling him.

(16:27):
Wallflowers. No, it the.
Album Oh, the wildflower. Oh yeah, you're right.
OK, I was thinking The Wallflowers because that was.
He made that executive decision to make that album and the
record company was pissed. They were like, you know, this
is a career suicide. You're, you're shooting yourself
in the foot. Good luck.
You know, nobody will ever care about Tom Petty again.

(16:47):
It went on to be like the biggest album ever recorded
because it was honest, right? What do we keep saying?
We try and be real, raw and relevant, right?
Just honest, organic. That's what that album is.
You Wrecked Me is on there. Mary Jane's Last Dance was on
there. On wildflowers because I'm
looking at it. That's not.
Oh, there it is. You wrecked me.

(17:07):
Yep, Yep. Only a broken heart.
Don't fade on me. Cabin down below a higher place
calling back to you. You don't know how it is.
Wildflower time. Move on.
Good to be king. Honey bee hard to me.
Find a friend. House in the woods and wake up
time. What's it called Sound on there
on Mary. Jane, that must have been the
album before I was Thinking of You Wrecked Me.
Yeah, no, you wrecked me. Yeah, you wrecked me some.

(17:28):
That's a great song. And this was released in Jan, in
November 1st, 1994. It's 62 minutes, 48 seconds
long, is recorded in sound studio Van Nuys Ocean Way
Hollywood. Yeah, there's a lot of footage
in that documentary from that Sound City right on.
Let's see how many things did this did Ringo Ringo Starr

(17:50):
played on drums and a couple of the songs.
Well, that's awesome. Yeah, they probably talk about
that in there. I forgot about that.
Sales. Let's see how many album albums
he sold. You rigged me, baby.
Damn, now I don't know. I'm singing American Girl in my

(18:11):
head, and I think maybe I like that better. 3.4 million albums
sold of that one Tom Petty albumsells the best selling
albums.org So great Greatest hits is 12,000,012.9 million.
Full Moon Fever great fucking albums.
Just just over 6,000,000. Wildflowers 3.4 millions.

(18:34):
So it was damn, damn the torpedoes. 3.2 million right
into the dray. Wide open 2.6 million.
I love that skies of blue. That's what Mary Jane's last
dance is. On into that way, wide open, a
rebel without a clue. And if I'm right on that one, I

(18:55):
give up. Hard promises 1.1 million Now
Hard promises was back in in 8081, so it was it was a feat to
do a million sales. I was just getting ready to ask
you what year it was. A gold record was a platinum
record now back then. Right.
Because the gold record, right? Well wasn't gold 500,000 and

(19:19):
then platinum was 1,000,000? Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
You are. You couldn't be any more
correct. It was really rare to have a
platinum album. Yeah, in 1981.
So that was huge. Right, so and just to put this
in more perspective, hard promises, which is refugees on
that. That's the that was my first
introduction to to Tom Petty. That was on right.
Me too. Oh yeah dude have to live like a

(19:41):
refugee. So in Canada A it was 100,000
sales and that equated to a platinum.
That's because there's only 23 million people that live in
Canada, or 32 million or something.
Right. New Zealand, it went going
California. Yeah, New Zealand went gold
because it only sold 7500 copiesand then United States it sold

(20:03):
1,000,000. As of August 10th, 1981.
So back then it was it was 1.1 million in all three countries.
It's weird. Those are the three countries
they look at. And it was ranked #72 in the 80s
it was ranked number 834 with all the Billboard stuff and
overall was a 44184 ranking. Best selling albums of all time.

(20:25):
OK, so let me ask you this. OK.
How many copies did Johnny Cougar Mellencamp camp?
Maybe he was just Johnny Cougar then.
OK, let's see. Tell me how many copies he sold
of American Fool. Just that album for now.
I Will American, which is a goodfucking album.
Well, that's the one we're pitting against Tom Petty's

(20:47):
album. American Fool would eventually
sell 10 million copies worldwide, 5 million in the US
alone. From 83 to 87, Mellencamp
released 3 consecutive albums. Uh Huh.
Scarecrow and A Lonesome Jubilee, which were all
certified triple platinum by theRIAA.
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(21:07):
That's my radio voice. Did you like that?
So, so so. Tom Petty.
Tom Petty. We were just on Tom Petty's page
and he's sold 31 millions, OK, 31 million albums, OK OK
Mellencamp. He has sold over 60 million
albums worldwide. Double Petty, right?

(21:32):
Well, how he? He was three different people.
He was true John Cougar, right? He was First he was John Cougar,
right? Then he was John Cougar.
Yep, Then he was John Cougar Mellencamp.
Right. Then he married John Mellencamp.
So there's four, and Mellencamp's there's four
different people. Maybe the Johnny Cougar was what
they tried to get him to be and he settled that John Cougar.

(21:54):
I can't remember how that story went, but anyway, he's been at
least three different people. Yeah, yeah.
Who has the most successful? I would not have guessed in a
million years that he outsold Tom Penny like that.
I I. Me neither.
Me neither. I would have guessed he outsold
him, but not to that level. Yeah, I'm going to.

(22:14):
I'm going to do it again to see if what Tom gets Tom Petty.
Oh, actually it's the same. Over 60 million albums
worldwide, just like Mellencamp.OK, that's.
More so so so. Petty has 31.4 million in
America and and John has 30 million in America.
So he's edged out. He's edged out.

(22:35):
I'm sorry, no, my eyes are old. 80 million, 80 million records
all time. He's making him one of the best
selling artists of all time. So he actually he's he's
trumped, but he's he beat Mellencamp by at least 20
million, give or take, because you know, it's the inner web.
We don't know what I was. Thinking that my musical
knowledge was fading, like therewas number tomorrow.
I'm like, there's no way that Mellencamp outsold Tom Petty.

(22:56):
Well, the only reason, the only reason why I kind of believed it
for a second there was 'cause all the farm aid, I mean,
Mellencamp was fucking huge in the 80s, man.
Oh no, it just fucking question.Like once once he got past.
He was God around this part, these parts.
Yeah. Illinois, Iowa, Ohio.
Yeah, once he got past his opening stuff, 'cause when he
was open for people he got buyerbottles thrown in him and stuff

(23:17):
like that. He wasn't, he wasn't very well
accepted, but once I what was his?
Was it? Was it American full of his
breakout? Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely.
Because that's the one that had hand hand to.
Hold on to. The song that Jack and Diane.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see what these albums are.

(23:41):
And then Aha came out after thatthat had crumbling walls, pink
houses. Yeah, when the walls come
tumbling. Down when the I'm wrong.
Pink Houses is not on that album.
And down when the balls when. The play guitar was on that
album. That was a good song too.
Yep, peg Guitar. That is a good song.

(24:01):
Peg Guitar. Just for the record, ladies and
gentlemen, Chris and I had one of the most fun times a human
being could have at John Mellencamp.
We did. We are definitely fans.
So whatever shit we talk about him, we love the guy and we had
a great time. He put on a hell of a show.
He did. I remember when when when all
the lights came up like he had the guys, the stage guys turn

(24:23):
the lights up and hit the crowd in the entire and he just
stopped singing it. I forget what song it was, but
it was probably either Pink Houses or Cherry bomb.
One of those and the entire crowd was just singing.
And they were. All.
It was fucking beautiful. The band was just standing there
like I'm being chills right now 'cause that's that's the thing.
You. Just brought that memory right
back to the front of my mind. I'd forgotten that, but I just
saw it in my head as. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.

(24:45):
If you don't understand why musicians are musicians and what
they strive for as as as being in a band, that's that's it to
stand on a stage. And take the microphone.
Right. And to take the microphone away
and just look at the audience, sing your song back to you.
Nothing like it. There's nothing like it.

(25:06):
I had that happen in Sturgeon. Granted, it was simple man,
because the way I, the way my Southern style singing worked
with Simple man it, it was a whole new level of that.
Like, I think it was better thanShinedown's version, but it was
never recorded. But we did that so well in that
band that they asked it again, asked us to play it the next
night and we did it. And I forget where I got into

(25:26):
it, but they just, I just stopped.
I put. I believe it because you got
written up in the what was it New Times or music voice?
Remember they said that that wasthe best version of Roadhouse
Blues they had seen outside the doors that we played at the
Electric Ballroom. Yeah, yeah.
So that was that was my that wasmy, my moment of, of feeling
that, that wave of energy just like, holy shit.

(25:48):
And it's you can't help, man, you're just, I mean, I'm sure I
had a shitty grin across my face, ear to ear and the whole
corner just tingling and alive because it's just like.
You feel all that energy. Yeah, yeah.
So that's that's the rush. That's the thing that musicians
and bands search for. And that's why we want some type
of success. So we can actually just have

(26:09):
have people sing back your songsand just and and be a part of
that. Like I did it used to do it when
we would cover rocking in the free world here locally with
that band, we would, I would geta lot of the crowd engaged and
shit just because I would get them engaged.
So that was cool. But doing on a stage in Sturgis,
that was really cool. And unfortunately it was before
all the smartphones and shit, they were just flip phones.

(26:29):
So none of it, none of it was documented, which sucks.
That's what still sucks about that DVD, man.
I yeah, I think there's a place I can take that video to to see
if it is salvageable. But we would have some good
footage. Yeah, yeah.
Thanks to the fact that Chris had a Would you have a Super 8
camera? JAJVC little handheld camcorder

(26:52):
like. Dude, that was the epitome.
Like these kids listening today,they're laughing their ass off.
You can't even imagine that was having like this bad ass, top of
the line MacBook Pro that I havesitting in front of me, right?
The fastest, most efficient machine that you can buy.
It just worked. That was the equivalent of that
back then. It's like, holy shit, you got a

(27:12):
camcorder? Dude, you fucking kidding me?
You have a camcorder we can record ourselves.
Nobody has phone. Kids.
No, no. There was this place called
Service. I don't know if you remember
this or not. There's a place in Mesa called
Service Merchandise. Absolutely.
OK. That's where I got that because
they had layaway program. She went and I put like $25 down

(27:33):
then too, right? I put like 25 bucks, dude, 25
down and then I had to pay. I don't, I don't remember, you
know. 10 bucks a month for the rest.
Something like that, right? And then I got a bonus at Mark's
center and paid it off. But that, that was cool.
It was layaway. Layaway was cool back in the day
for someone who who didn't have the funds to just RIP the
Band-Aid off and buy something that we used to do that shit

(27:56):
with our kids at Christmas. Man, we.
Go. That's what my mom and dad used
to. Everybody's parents did that
back in the day. You went to all the stores and
you put this shit away in like June or March or whenever they
started and they paid like my mom said, 30 bucks a month or
something until you went and picked it up.
Yeah, that now. The thing that sucks now is back
then there was no none of the the toy of the season, right?

(28:19):
You can there was none of that. It was just, you know, Johnny
wants a a guitar and you know Sally wants a Barbie doll for.
You and I, but that did come about for my sister's generation
because remember the cabbage pastels where the women were
like ripping their hair out? Oh yeah, they.
Literally fought each other to get those things.

(28:41):
Yeah, I remember. I do remember that.
Yeah, and then people would makelike grandma's would make them
for their grandkids and shit, and the kids would cry because
it wasn't the real thing. That's not a garbage patch doll.
It's a homemade piece of shit. That shit happened, man.
It's funny now, but it was horrific for those poor little

(29:02):
girls that wanted. That yeah, no, Nikki, Nikki had
had, she had cow patch dolls andshit and her evil step monster.
I forget what happened. She like got rid of them somehow
or some kind of fucked up thing,which was disappointing.
But yeah, she had. She had some of those too.
You're right though, man, for us, like from 5:00 to 10:00 when

(29:25):
we would have remembered like toys, there wasn't really
anything that people lusted after.
It was Star Wars action figures and Hot Wheels and whatever you
were into, you know, most, most boys were into Hot Wheels back
then. I had tons of them.
A matchbox cars. I like matchbox cars.
Yeah, that's it. Matchbox cars were a little bit

(29:47):
classier. Yeah, that's what I had.
I had Matchbox. Cars 'cause they were all metal,
they were all metal I. Forgot they were two different
things. Yeah, that was the hockey pepper
cars, right? Fuck you.
Yeah, Xbox box cars were pieces of shit, right?
But that's what I had too. And see, with little Man, he's
gone through his phases. So I have about 50 or 60 monster

(30:09):
trucks, small ones. We we've got Hot Wheels and
we've got, he likes Hot Wheels. Like the cool thing now with
with kids, they create these elaborate, elaborate things to
use with Hot Wheels. We just have those stupid simple
tracks, right? They're all figures of shit.
Plastics that never work. Or the the race, the the radio

(30:32):
controlled race cars. Remember those and.
Those were bad tips. Dude.
They were. You had the Q2.
My dad and I played that shit for hours, racing each other.
Oh yeah. Our first set was Carl Carl with
Cole Yarborough, Cole Yarboroughand and Carl Yarborough.
Yeah, there you go. Carl Yarborough That's a hard
game to say, but. And I didn't realize what a

(30:53):
legend he was until like absolutely later in life, right?
And then Richard Petty, which I knew Richard Petty, but those
were the two cars we got. So my brother and I would would
race that shit and. And everybody wanted to be
Richard Petty because nobody knew.
I like, I like, I like Carl's car.
Carl's car. He did red, white, Blue Man.
His is red, white and blue. Petty's was just red and blue.
I liked because of the whole patriotism stuff.

(31:14):
Hey, don't forget the boys and girls.
This is the Chris and Mike show.We're on Instagram, Facebook and
YouTube. Go subscribe, right?
Follow us on the Instagram and and the and the Facebook because
we dropped little segments and things and keep you up to date
and dialed in on what's going on.
Who's who's on The Who, who, whois it tomorrow?
Is it? Is it Jeremy Cross?
I don't know, you drastically interrupted my fucking.

(31:36):
Oh, slot car story. I'm sorry, I was just, I I saw,
I saw a point to to break there.No, you got to, you got to
follow through with those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So. So, yeah, go ahead with your
slot car story. Mark.
Sorry, I apologize. I'm just fucking with you.
I know, I know. You know, every now and then you
got to put me in check, man. I'm like fucking come on, don't
relax. No, I was going to ask if you

(31:56):
ever had a train set. No, never had train set.
So that's the first thing I no, that's the first thing I wanted.
But Santa had a fucking tragic accident on an icy winter night,
trying to bring it in the house in that old steel fell on the
steps and broke my fucking trainset and broke his heart.

(32:16):
And I didn't know it as a kid. But then there's a letter from
Santa. Santa had an accident, broke
your train. Oh.
Really. So that's how we ended up
getting into slot cars later on was like, that was the next
evolution. You know, I think that came
about right about the time that I couldn't decide what I wanted
or maybe the slot cars got popular after the train set got

(32:38):
broken. I ended up with a slot car
track. That was badass.
So he set it up on a nice piece of plywood and 'cause I think he
wanted to play with it just as much as I did.
So. Oh, right on.
I don't know if I ever. I don't know if I ever ended up
having a real train set or not. I don't think so.
Well, I know there's, I know where they keep a train that we

(32:58):
could just go take. Like a real train.
Oh yeah, just, you know, hobby and keys are in the ignition and
just have at it, you know? Well, we're going to have to buy
a digital recorder because that show will have to go on the
road. This is episode 215 as we hijack
a train. Hijacking the train.

(33:20):
Hijacking the train. So what were you?
Asking me who's on, who's comingup.
Yeah. So I.
Got it. I, I pulled it up.
It's Jimmy Cross. Yes.
So I'll, I'll drop a little snippet.
Actually, we could drop a littlesnippet after today's show and
make that a a thing and we can what we need.
This is a little behind the scenes conversation for you boys
and girls on Chris and Mike Show.

(33:40):
Yes, this is the way a podcast is put together, ladies and
gentlemen. We need to have like on my
YouTube channel when you go to my YouTube channel for.
My our. YouTube channel no no my my real
estate. No, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no. I get it.
I didn't even have a good chance, all right.
You tried though. That was cool.
And the reason why he said that is because whenever he
references something, I would say it's ours.
It's ours. It's ours because of like you,

(34:02):
your your YouTube channel. Well, my YouTube channel is
Chris Dunham, the real estate guy at Chris Dunham, just at
Chris Dunham. So when you go to that one, OK,
there's a video that automatically pops up.
It's the trailer. We need a trailer.
And it's hard for us to have a trailer because you're there and
I'm here. But I think after today's show
or even during the show, we makeour own little trailer and then

(34:23):
we make it a short and then I can put it up on the on the main
page. So when people come to the web,
the the YouTube channel, right away they're going to see
something automatically play. That's a brilliant idea.
I like. Thank you.
Brilliant. Brilliant.
Chris Dunham for the win. Chris Dunham here, Mike
Michael's there, and Mike Michael's there.

(34:44):
So I went to lunch today with a dude named Charlie.
I'm in the I'm in the I'm in theRotary Club in in Mesa, which is
not about cars. It's about volunteerism and
giving back what was. His last name?
Brown. Jude absolutely.
His last name is Brown and I brought up the fact that when I
was a kid I grew up with neighbors, that their kids names
were Buster and Charlie Brown. Is that a true story?

(35:04):
Yeah, it's a true fucking story because his name is Charlie
Brown, right? You have to quantify these
names, ladies and gentlemen, when you're talking to a
musician. Right.
So my, my whole concept with joining the Rotary Club is I'm
going to go to lunch with every single member.
There's like 80 of us because how do you learn 80?
Members of your Rotary Club. About that, yeah, we're.
One of them. There's only 10 in our town.

(35:26):
OK, maybe 8, I don't know. Small.
Yeah, but the best way to learn about somebody is take them to
lunch because you can't. At Rotary meetings, you got 15
minutes to kind of come in, get your lunch, sit down and then
you you can change where you sitevery day.
But on a whole, it's hard to getto know everybody.
So I'm like, I'm going to take everybody to lunch.
It's going to take me a while, right?
Once a week. It's take me probably almost two

(35:47):
years do. This got nothing but time.
That's what I always say. Right.
So Charlie, he, he is owns a property management business and
he uses and it's doors, it's houses.
Well, way back 40 years ago whenhe first started this, he was
actually kind of thrown into managing A60 door complex,
apartment complex near ASU. OK, this is an interesting
story, which is why I'm going toshare it.

(36:07):
So he leaves that about eight months into it.
Like this is way too chaotic. And then the people call him up.
Hey, you know, we're dumping this thing.
We're getting out. You want him?
He's like, yeah, OK, he thought about it.
Why not? I'll take it.
So they folded that apartment complex.
And then so he started out with,you know, maybe 5-5 doors.
And the door means a house at athis, at his peak, 600 doors

(36:30):
before COVID hit, right, 600 doors.
One of the adventures he had wasa realtor connected with an
investment company California. They bought 400 houses in two
years. So anybody in California
listening to this that they needa realtor to help them buy 400
house in two years? I'm a guy 100%. 400 houses in

(36:52):
two years, man. Crazy, insanity.
Insanity. So with that being said, I was
like, so I mean, you know, engaging conversation further
down the path of the conversation with him.
He's been married 50 years. He's got 8 kids, he's got 21
grandkids. All his, he's the, the, the boys

(37:12):
in his, the boys that he raised are all individually successful,
which is he couldn't take creditfor.
I was like, what? You raised him, Charlie.
Damn right he did. And it was, it's kind of cool
happenstance luck type thing. Like one of his sons had a
construction background. This guy's like, hey, you want
to help me with this, this store, with these storage
solution, with these storage properties.

(37:33):
And he's like, sure, why not? At the end of the day, he made
10 million from that, why the other guy made 60?
But he made $10 million, right? Because he just happenstance
lucky bright place, right time and and and stories go on.
And I'm with this guy. He's he's, he, went on.
AI love people like that. Man, yeah, he went on a bicycle
tour in Europe for eight days where he, he and a couple of his

(37:56):
friends and they were riding their bikes and basically towing
what they slept in, right. They've been cruising on cruise
ships off and on for 20 years. They've taken their family.
I mean, just they just kept spewing out because I just when
I'm sitting with lunch somebody,I don't know, kind of like when
I was when we had Nate on the show, I'm just plugging away.
I'm just asking questions. I'm learning, I'm taking notes.
Sure, you know, so I find out legit, I don't.

(38:21):
You were here in the time 1998 Jane Hull was running for
governor, right? He opposed Jane Hull.
Really. Yeah, he only had $8000 in
budget. He got 25,000 votes.
He lost. He knew he was going to lose,
but he wanted to do it just to see if he could do it.
And that's cool, they got 25,000.

(38:41):
Dollars, right? Just like I drove her all
around. The city, I think if you got the
money, 8 grand is of that's a drop in the bucket to just to
say, hey yeah, I got 25,000 votes for governor.
Right. That's what he said.
He's like, I should have won if it was.
If a sheer dollar per vote, I won.
Right on. So yeah, Charlie, really cool.
Dude, that's awesome. Yeah, he's a really cool guy.

(39:02):
We're going to have Mark on Mark.
Mark from the Rotary Club. He's the CEO for United Way,
former Baptist minister, and he actually is one of the only
people in the world that can sayhe actually got inside Melissa
Etheridge. Another true story.
Yeah, because he dated Melissa Etheridge before Melissa

(39:22):
Etheridge. Went to the other team.
Went to the other team. Became a lesbian.
You can say it. We're in. 20 Well, no, I just I
like it's a Seinfeld thing you know you go to the other team do
you have a shortstop on your team Yeah, I do I have a
shortstop on my team I'm a shortstop I'm not going up you
know I mean so that's. That's and we very rarely get
get them back. Right.
And she never went back to playing for the.

(39:43):
Other side, I love when Elaine describes how we have the
equipment right. How can I compete when you have
the equipment 24 hours a day? I only have the access to the
equipment at best what, 2-3 hours a week?
Right, says the woman with a whole entire closet full of
today's sponge. OK, she had more than just two

(40:04):
or three hours a day. Episode, right?
That was a great episode. Holy shit I love talking
Seinfeld too. Some of some of the stuff that
that they got away with would never fly today.
No, just like what the office would never fly today.
Well, the Puerto Rican Day, I think you can watch it on
Netflix now, but that was pulledfrom regular TV forever, that
Puerto Rican Day parade episode.Oh, I didn't know that.

(40:25):
What episode's that? See, very, very few people
remember it because it only aired live, and then it might
have aired in reruns for a shorttime, but then, you know,
obviously the Puerto Rican community got mad.
Season 9 Episode 20. So I'm gonna have to oh, oh, oh,

(40:45):
that was where those, those, those guys those those like very
you talking to me? You must be talking to me 'cause
there's nobody else here. No, not those guys.
No, that's the soup, gay guys. That's actually during the Soup
Nazi. I think they show up the first
time 'cause remember Kramer's supposed to guard the armoire.
Yes, yes. And they just take it.
From him. Oh, yeah.

(41:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when he does what?
And then they're in the AIDS Walk episode.
Oh, OK. Yep, you're right.
Why you not wear the ribbon? Yeah.
You not want to wear the ribbon.Hey, he doesn't want to wear the
ribbon. What what what?
Why don't you want to ribbon? I'm going to kick crash, man.
You not know political refugee from Cuba.

(41:27):
This is America, man. You wear the ribbon.
Okay, so it's season 9 episode 20, boys and girls season 9
episode 20 because I'm going to watch that tonight and I'm.
Going to do yourself a favor andwatch it, yes?
Get back to me. It's the Puerto Rico.
Tell me how offended. You were so this is what it says
Crane. This is this is the this is the
bio to it or the oh shit, shit that fucking came on that the

(41:49):
whole episode just came on on YouTube, but I didn't do that.
So OK, the YouTube version of this 208,000 views.
So the premise is well, that's not the premise of it.
Come on. What?
I just saw the premise of it somewhere.
I was going to read the premise,man.
Damn it, Jim. Damn it.
Jim Kramer. Tamer Kramer takes extremes

(42:09):
measures to use the bathroom to Puerto Rican Day.
That's all it says. Oh, that's where you can't find
a bathroom. Oh, I remember that one.
Then why do they call it Puerto Rican Day though?
Because of that, that's the parade that's going on if I.
Remember, right, OK and Day Parade is this when he has that
kidney stone, he can't pass it? I'm pretty sure that's it.
OK, OK, that is a funny episode.I, I, I, you can tell me if

(42:34):
you've heard this not too. I've heard that Kramer has never
watched himself like Michael Richards the actor.
I believe it because he's kind of an eccentric guy, but I I've
never heard that, but I'm sure, yeah, I just heard it very well
may be true. The only reason I heard it
recently is is there's all that hub bubble back with you thumbed
up that with that's Jerry, Jerrytrying to get up right.

(42:58):
Jerry's trying to get him back in the mix of things, you know,
because of all the chaos that, you know, when he dropped the
the N word at the comedy show, Yes, which you know.
Rogan's talked about that at nauseam.
And it's. It's probably taken out of
context, but. A little bit.
You know. He defends him a little bit, but
then you know he always is careful to say you have to own

(43:19):
your actions, right. Absolutely, Absolutely.
You know, a lot of us go out every night and don't do shit
like that and we know act like adults and.
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(43:42):
body good. What do they do to your?
Body. I don't make them good.
I don't remember. You're a hell of a salesman,
Dunham. We're trying to sell some shit
here. They were just sitting next to.
They're delicious. I'm like, Oh yeah, I think it
has to do with gut health, OK, because anything I do, anything

(44:03):
I do is is has a as a nutritional supplement, kind of
like the hemp works, my daily choice.
Hemp works. Yeah, so, Rob, but now I got,
now I got gummy in my mouth. Sorry.
Remind me to tell you a good gummy story while we're not on
the air. OK, I'll tell that story on the

(44:28):
air later, but it's a good one. Right on, let's taste you.
I'm trying. I'm gummy eating on a show so
I'm so unprofessional. Nobody accused us being
professional. We're we're, this is supposed to

(44:49):
be an organic conversation. That's why people love us,
buddy. This will be its own short Chris
eating a gummy. You'll get like 14,000 views
because I'll, I'll do a bunch ofhashtags relate to gummies and
then I'll just go nuts. I'll just go nuts.
So because we're real and raw, this is what we're going to do

(45:10):
here. We're going to we're going to
we're just shoot our thing that we need, OK, because we're going
to shoot it. So we're going to plan it out.
So basically we want we want people come to our YouTube page.
We want to be like, hey, this isChris and Mike Show.
I'm Chris and then you might sayI'm Mike.

(45:32):
And hey, we're here to talk about anything that's relevant
to us and keeping it real raw and.
Relevant. Join us here weekly Tuesdays and
Fridays, and new shows drop on Wednesdays and Sundays.
So I'll say join us here weekly on Tuesdays and Fridays, and
then you say news shows drops onon Wednesdays and Sundays.
All right, all. Right, and then and I'll say you

(45:53):
can find us on Instagram and yousay and Facebook and I'll say
and YouTube and you say subscribe on all platforms.
And I say, Oh yes, give us a follow.
It's the Chris and Mike show soon to come, the Chris and
mikeshow.com. Oh, then maybe, maybe add
Spotify, Apple podcasts on all those platforms you know we're
on because I don't know all those things wrong.
OK, so we're going to wait till the clock we're.

(46:14):
Done. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, we're going to wait till the clock gets to 47, so then we
can keep them. No.
I'm saying we'll wait till afterwe're done and we'll make it a
separate thing because I don't want to cut it out of here.
Oh. I gotcha.
Don't want to cut what out of here.
Oh, we're going to do this when we're done.
Yeah, I understand. OK, so that.
Then it'll be its own thing thatwe can put anywhere we want.

(46:34):
Then it will be its own thing. See how smart Mike is?
I'm just. No, I'm the one that asked to
edit it so I'm I'm thinking it'snot smart, it's just experience.
Gotcha. So I get I get this is funny.
So I get these, I get these freaking spam.
Like when real estate market is real estate market, right?

(46:55):
There's so many people. Oh the market sucks.
It doesn't suck. You all are ignorant so shut up.
Listen to a professional becauseit doesn't.
It's not bad. We only have 17,000 houses
houses for sale in all of Maricopa and Pannell County.
17,000 That's it, That's it. That's it.
So thank you. See because if you Maricopa.
County is the largest county in the United States for those of

(47:16):
you that don't know. Yeah, Maricopa and Pinell
County, I said. So both OK, but there's this
thing. But just alone, Maricopa is the
largest square mileage county inthe United States, right?
So there's this thing going around that people think, oh,
our supplies at wearing our demand.
It's not true, man. It's it's, it's, it's irritating
and I've done, I've actually done a video based on this.
I'm going to do it right now just because we're sitting well.

(47:37):
Actually, right here in our town, my mom's been saying for a
month there's no houses for salehere either.
Well, see there, there are houses for sale, but it's what
what they're trying to spend, the bullshit they're trying to
spend. No, I mean like the inventory
super. It's not like there's not one
house for sale, but normally yousee like a house on every other
street that's got a for sale sign, right?

(47:58):
Right. You might see 5 for sale signs
in the whole town now. Gotcha.
OK Wow, so Maricopa County alone.
OK, right now this is live information, boys and girls.
There's 13,204 Properties for Sale.
OK, and that's houses, I'm sorry, not properties, houses,
houses, single family homes. There's 13,204 if I take the

(48:20):
homes. Based on the fact that there's
millions of people that live. Right.
So taking away single family home, minimum 3 bed, 2 bath,
which means it opens it up to everything, and I mean
everything manufactured mobile condo, townhouse, patio home and
homes. OK, it's 20,311.
So 20,311. OK.

(48:42):
So people are freaking out because they say our inventory
outweighs our our supply outweighs our demand.
Not true. Because again, going back to
Phoenix, there's only 13. I mean Maricopa County, there's
only 13,203 houses for sale in Maricopa County.
That's crazy. That is a decline in inventory
since January 2025. This year we started with about

(49:04):
six months inventory in January and we've consistently gone down
to an hour about 3.6 months, a three, yeah, three month, 3.63
weeks, whatever it says 3.61 of of inventory.
But if you take, if you break that down to just Maricopa
County, that's not a lot. That's not a lot, which is which

(49:24):
is what I'm trying to convey to people.
This is not a crashing market. There's nothing that's it's not
it's a strong market. We have we have you know, houses
available, not like like, you know, lots and lots, but we
still do so Phoenix, OK, just drop it down to Phoenix.
There's 2601 houses for sale in Phoenix that are at least three

(49:45):
bedroom, 2 bath. Wow.
Now here's where it gets. Here where it gets.
Still not a lot. No so we do 4 bedrooms, 4
bedrooms, 2 baths in Phoenix it drops it to 14142.
Wow. OK, now watch this shit.
I'm going to put A2 car garage on that two car garage to park
your stuff 11159. OK, we're going to say at least

(50:08):
1400 square feet because that's a good range of square footage.
11154 we're going to say what doyou want to say?
What else? What do you want to say?
What else do you want to put in there?
Let's see, we got oh, we'll makeit single family.
It's it's single family. We'll make it detached.
So there's do not attach anybodythat drops it down to 1144

(50:29):
interior levels. We're going to say one level
home, single levels, single level, ranch style.
What's the second? 657 How?
About how about if you want a pool?
A pool, A pool, A swimming pool Swimming pool Where's my pool
features most. People want a.
Pool. I want a pool.
You ready for this one? It's thinking, it's spinning.
It's saying what am I doing? What am I doing?

(50:50):
Looking for Mike for a pool for when the podcast takes off.
Come on, Pool. He wants a pool.
It's still thinking. It's like it's going through the
database. Oh, there it is.
I just got hit private. OK, gotcha.
SO50, I'm sorry, 339 houses witha pool in all of Phoenix.
OK so four bedroom, 2 bathrooms,single 5 minute hatch with A2

(51:12):
car garage, single level at least 1400 square feet.
We have 339 houses for sale in all of Phoenix, AZ.
That puts it in perspective. Now how bad does your supply
outweigh your demand exactly? Because most people raising a
family like you did with two kids, two people want 4.
Bedrooms, right? Right.
They want the two car garage. They may or may not want a pool.

(51:35):
So they may have 1000 homes to choose from where the people
that want a pool, who are movingfrom where I live out there that
want to experience that, now they're down to 300.
That's not a lot. No, get this shit.
You ready for this? Are you sitting down?
Are you sitting down? I am.
It looks like I'm standing up, but I'm really sitting down.
You're sitting down South Glendale, where Kevin lived,
where you lived, where the band got his.

(51:56):
You know, where we rehearsed quite a bit.
Same criteria. Single family, detached, 4
bedroom, 2 bathroom, 2 car garage.
Single level, 1400 square feet minimum with the swimming pool.
Just guess. In Glendale, how many houses for
sale? Just guess.
All of Glendale. Let's see, I'm going with 57.

(52:20):
Not not bad 82. Wow, I should have went with 100
out. Of a dude.
But that's good though, so let'sdo Mesa, AZ, shall we?
Because Mesa also. Lived there, I was the homeowner
there. Mesa, AZ is the largest East
Valley community in in the East Valley 154 all criteria remains
the same. Wow.
So we're going to do Chandler. Chandler.

(52:42):
Chandler, AZ. Not Chandler Bing.
One No 101, you gotta have that 1100 one 101.
That one person's like my mouth.Yeah, yeah.
Gilbert, AZ. Gilbert AZ 117.
So that's what I'm saying. People think that, oh, the
market's crashing, there's too much, blah, blah, blah.

(53:03):
It's because ignorance is bliss,man.
You don't. You don't.
You don't. You don't look at the raw, real
results. OK.
Apache Junction, OK Apache Junction has 04 bedroom 2 bath
homes with 1400 square feet, twocar garage and a swimming pool.
None. How big is Apache Junction?
I don't know, but it's just a point.

(53:23):
There's none. None.
That's where the band got its start.
We practiced out there. Yeah, so Gold Canyon, Gold
Canyon 0 Nothing, nada. Let.
Me tell you dude, that was a long drive from fucking Metro
Center to Apache Junction for band practice every.
I don't doubt that. Fountain Hills.
OK, Fountain Hills, 36, 36 homesin Fountain Hills.

(53:46):
That's the thing that irritates me when when people talk about
this shit like you're not, you're not looking at it the way
you should look at it. You're looking at the, the, the
total amount of inventory by just doing a blanket search
that's active. But you can't because our MLS
system now picks up Sedona and Prescott and Prescott Valley and
Payson and Sholo and all those northern cities that picks up

(54:07):
some southern border towns as well, like Nogales and Kingman.
There's there's it's such a massive draw that our MLS pulls
from. So any anybody that that doesn't
know what the hell they're doing, they're going to do this
and I'll start it back over. Just a quick search blanket.
Just nothing checked in my box, but active properties, OK.

(54:27):
And again, this picking up all kinds of stuff 26,385 with
nothing written, with nothing tagged down, nothing taken away.
So that would that could easily lead somebody to falsely think
that, yeah, you do have way too much inventory.
Right. So, but if you go to Tempe
without anything but putting Tempe down 409 total Properties

(54:50):
for Sale. Now if you take that to single
family homes, that drops it to 230 almost in half.
And Tempe is a big town, too. Tempe's a big town as far as as
far as multi density high. Lots of condos complexes and and
then we're not Hawking apartments and shit either.
We're talking the livable real estate stuff.

(55:10):
But single family detached homes.
There's 225. We punched in three bedrooms, 2
baths. That takes us down to 205 now if
we punch in 4 bedrooms, 114. So we started with 409
Properties for Sale in Tempe. Narrowed all the way down,
there's 114 single family homes.4 bedrooms. 4 bedrooms.

(55:34):
Normal family would Who's going to have two or three kids?
Yep, absolutely. And then do they add the 1400
square foot single level? You're talking 73 houses.
It goes back to everything that I say in life, Chris Donovan.
You have to put things in perspective.
You have to, right? And you?
Can't just make a blanket statement.
You can if you're being funny, but if we're trying to be

(55:55):
truthful and honest and you know, in your case you have to
be because that's your livelihood.
So when people say shit like that, it gives a false sense of
Oh well, it's not the time to buy and then.
And that's my frustration because I guess, yeah, because.
Because here's the thing. Perspective is everything.

(56:16):
Because the idiots in the media and even some Realtors, because
I've, I've, I've seen some Realtors spinning this stuff and
I've commented on them, I've ripped them apart because
they're not, they're doing a disservice to the industry and
they're creating. That's a great way to put it.
They're they're creating the whole fire, sculling and the
fire, the no, the sky is fallingmentality.
It's not falling. It's just not when I started

(56:39):
this in this business 25 years ago the average number of
Properties for Sale and again back then it was just Marico
Pannell County. They weren't pulling all the
outskirts was 33,000 at any given time for my first 2 and 2
1/2 years in real estate so I could take.
And what you knew was that to put it in perspective.
For 999999 because and you know that because when we went looked
at houses for you, we we went back to houses.

(57:00):
We could go look at a house, we could go look at 5 houses on a
Saturday, go back and look at 5 different houses the following
Saturday and then the following week go look at 6-7 more.
And then we figured out which one we like.
Oh, yeah, I think you literally told us, don't worry, We're not
going to run out of houses to look at.
Like, don't panic. You know, you don't have to buy
the first thing that you see. We can do this for a day, a
week, a month, whatever you guyswant to do.

(57:22):
So our market right now is, is to me, it's a buyer's market
because prime example, first time buyers couple weeks ago we
went out like 12 houses. These really cool couple.
They never bought a house before.
He works for, for progressive. He's like an acclaimed gesture,
like the big rigs and stuff, really cool people.
She sent me a spreadsheet, whichI thought was fantastic of all

(57:42):
the once in these excel spreadsheet and it was legit
like, and it and she was like, Oh, you know, thank you, thank
you, thank you. Sorry, I'm like, don't be sorry.
This, this helps me help you, right.
The more information you can tell me, 'cause I listen, the
better results I'm going to provide for you because I can
check all your boxes. There's certain things I
couldn't search for. Like I have somebody today that

(58:03):
wanted me to search and one of her criteria was a back backyard
kitchen. I'm like, there's no way for me
to search for that. I said if it just happens, the
listing has a backyard kitchen, you know, an outdoor kitchen
Outback. Kind of like we had or they
wanted something. More like just, I don't know
because I didn't go down the rabbit hole with her.
We had the barbecue and the wet bar and the refrigerator and
that was a nice setup. That to me is an outdoor

(58:25):
kitchen. Yeah, I agree with you.
It was bad ass. I loved.
It so once I once I did this person's search and she wanted
Phoenix the until she told me what city she wanted and it was,
it was 4 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, 3 car garage, a flat yard, you
know, as opposed to, you know, hilly or whatever swimming,

(58:46):
swimming pool modern updated. And the price range was, was was
900 to 1.2. So I just left the the small
number open and did 1.2. The initial search without
telling me what city she wanted was 1500 when she told me
Phoenix there was like 52. Wow, right.
But that's, that's my, that's what I'm saying though.

(59:07):
People think, oh, 'cause there's, you know, when you do
the blanket search, there's 26,000 Properties for Sale, all
the supplies outweighing demand.Shut the front door.
You don't. Care so for the people that are
listening that are following along, let's let's take the
rabbit hole one step deeper and put it really into perspective.
OK, so now this lady has what 52properties to choose from?

(59:27):
How many does she really have tochoose from?
Because she's not going to like probably 60 to 80% of what she
looks at right? Nope Nope Nope.
So now she's down to maybe 1015 at best.
Right, so when I went in and I looked at them all knowing what
she wants, right? So I cycled through all 52
houses and tried to find the ones because some were, you know

(59:50):
small backyard because she wantsroom for activities.
So I went through and I found 15out of 52 and I sent them to her
which we which we were having the conversation for show.
Was my guess. 10 to 15 exactly. So fucking genius.
You are a genius. So now I'm just waiting for her
to cycle through those 15 and tell me which one she likes.
So then I can take, OK, she likes these five.

(01:00:11):
So I look at those five in more detail and kind of start going
through pictures and reading thedescription, understanding, OK,
this is a square footage. All these have this kind of
square foot. OK, note make that so update the
square footage search. And you know, she doesn't like
the two-story. She likes all those little
nuances that she'll do once she sends me back the one she likes.
I research what she tells me shelikes.

(01:00:32):
That's why I totally understand your frustration, right?
Because we just whittled everything down, just like I've
described 100 times on this podcast.
I like to break things down to their nub, right?
How does this fucking thing work?
That's what everybody has to do with every subject in their
life. That's why conversations with

(01:00:55):
people who are not deep thinkers, I don't want to call
them idiots or morons. They're happy with their life.
I stopped doing that, right? Right.
So the reason that conversationswith people who aren't deep
thinkers are exhausting is what you just described, because
people make a blanket statement the supply of houses and
inventory, or yeah, the supply of houses in Arizona far

(01:01:17):
outweighs the inventory that no,no, we're never going to have
enough houses for all buyers that we have.
And see, the other thing that they're forgetting about is, is
they're building this massive microchip plant up by Anthem.
Like this thing's going to be its own little Anthem, it's own
little right? So it's own little world.
There's not enough houses right now just to house those people.

(01:01:41):
And they're going to build 5 different residential
communities just in that area alone.
So when people say oh, this, this, this that, I'm like, what?
Are you kidding me? That's why when people make
blanket statements like that, it's exhausting for me because
my brain starts working. It's like, do you realize what
you just said? We just made a generalized
statement about a subject to AI know you probably know nothing

(01:02:03):
about, right? You know, somebody parroted that
headline that you just said fromwhatever news source that they
saw it from. And then it the snowball effect.
OK, Now the supply far outweighsthe demand.
That just becomes the new. I hate that fucking term.
That becomes the new norm, you know?
Yeah, until it doesn't. And that's what frustrates me is

(01:02:27):
that that you get like, there was a a podcast with a reporter
from New York who is counting onthe real estate industry and the
data she was dropping was six months old.
She was so ignorant that when the the interviewer asked her,
well, what does she sell her home for and what Commission did
she pay? She didn't have an answer
because she said she didn't remember.

(01:02:47):
Fuck you. OK, Everybody knows what
commissions they've paid becauseguess what?
It's not a settlement statement.It tells you exactly.
Everything's broken down money wise.
The realtor has to be upfront. I've always been upfront, but
now they have to be upfront of how how they're getting paid,
what they're getting paid, right?
And then you know what your house sold for because it's your

(01:03:08):
house. So when this woman said she had
no idea what her house sold for and what she paid, just flat out
lie bullshit like right and but she was spinning that.
Even I know that's. Bullshit, right?
And all her information was 6-7 months old talking about how
Realtors were going to still be able to tell the other Realtors
that they're, they're offering Cole Brooks by putting

(01:03:31):
superimposing images of like thethree amigos on the TV in the
living room picture and, and putting 3 cookies, 3 smiley
faces on a sign writer, you know, and, and then taking a
picture of the kitchen counter with three cookies on a plate.
Like give me a break just to be honest and be upfront.
And we never would have had thisproblem.
And by the way, the dude that filed the class action lawsuit

(01:03:52):
owes a discount brokerage now inthe Midwest that he'll sell your
house for $1000. Imagine that.
Really. Yeah.
Imagine that. It's stupid, man.
It's just so stupid. Nobody, nobody.
You go to a doctor, you going tonegotiate the fee to see the
doctor. I think you should be able to,
but no, I agree in the in the current state, no, you cannot do
that right. Right, You're going to go, you

(01:04:15):
know, a plumber comes to your house and has replaced your
water heater because it blew up.Are you going to be able to
negotiate the parcel limit? You're fucking with that guy.
No, but those. Days are never changing because
who wants to change shitty toilets, right?
But everybody thinks that what Ido for a living and those that
do it as well, that everything'snegotiable.
Like, I don't get a paycheck, Mike gets a paycheck, I don't

(01:04:35):
get a paycheck. I get paid to negotiate.
So I don't get paid to negotiateuntil I have you under contract.
And I've negotiated those terms and conditions.
And then guess what? I still don't get a paycheck
because unless it closes, all mywork was for naughty.
People forget that. People forget those.
Suck. Though, right?

(01:04:57):
So yeah, that's it. I'm off my soapbox.
Sorry, you don't. Have to be sorry.
Squirrel moment. Squirrel.
That's also part of this show, brother.
This is your life and my life. And it sounds like we're going
to get fewer and fewer moments to just talk to each other
unless we do it on the phone again.
So this is a good problem to have.
I'm not bitching at all. That was my hope.

(01:05:18):
That was that we're going to getto talk to interesting people.
But no man. Yeah, yeah.
For those you don't know, what Mike's alluding to is we have
guest booked basically every Tuesday and Friday in June.
So it's going to be a fun little, I don't know, a month of
learning different things from different people.
Absolutely. Yeah.
We do have a couple people coming back on the show, which

(01:05:39):
is going to be fun. Nate wants to debate.
Nate wants to have a debate withPeter Ho.
He wants to. Yeah.
He wants to, like, spark up somecontroversy, man, I totally.
Take Peter down for that. I was like right on well, cuz
Nate's, Nate's all about health and Wellness and, and so is
Peter and I know Nate. I don't know how how much Nate

(01:06:00):
is tied to the products that he uses, but we know Peter's tied
to his products he uses. So we could, we could totally
have a product debate and see which ones that's.
Going to be awesome dude. I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah, it'll be fun for. Both great personalities and
both very proficient at what they do.
So yeah, I'm looking forward to Nate kind of picking his brain
on a level that I couldn't as far as how do these things work

(01:06:22):
or, you know, you and I only know so much about that stuff.
So yeah, it's cool when somebodyelse is what I like to call a
subject matter expert, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, if.
We're talking guitars and music.Yeah.
Exactly, You and I are subject matter experts.
Yep, we are. All right.
Well, let's let's stick a fork in this one.

(01:06:44):
Yeah, because I think I might lose my Internet, dude, OK, And
there's a storm coming in, OK. OK boys and girls, this is the
crystal mic show. Follow us on Instagram, Facebook
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you're going to be notified hey,the crystal mic show dropped a

(01:07:06):
short. So that will kind of give you an
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things like that. And you can, you know, venture
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a follow. We might drop some stuff on
Instagram every time we have a show, which kind of tells you
what's coming on Facebook, kind of the same thing.
We we put stuff on there and drive traffic to the YouTube

(01:07:27):
channel until we get the Crystalmikeshow.com built.
But all that helps us grow organically.
We're not like most podcasts. We're not spending thousands of
dollars to get people to come and look at us right now because
it means more when your neighborJoe says, holy shit, that's Mike
and Chris. I like that, yes, you know,
because it's real people. And we're in, what, 17 countries

(01:07:47):
now? 18. 18 countries now and last
check we we were just passed 61,000 total views on YouTube
which. Is pretty crazy for a little
over a year and no advertising. No, no.
I did a couple little electronicblip boards, but those weren't
anything that was really going to.

(01:08:08):
It's not like people that I see know every week.
You know, there's some insanity that people drop, but when you
grow stuff organically it means more because then you have real
followers that are watching you grow and follow your journey.
Which I'll give you a quick example.
Everybody else out there, you and I both follow.
So this will, it's pertaining toyou because probably nobody else

(01:08:30):
follows it, but it gives you a good numbers example so that
podcasters for Facebook has I think 71,000 people in the
community. Now how much real, I mean, it
worked out for you and I becausewe used it to our advantage,
right? But I mean how much real
interaction and content is goingon out of 71,000 people?

(01:08:51):
Right. Not a lot, because you can't.
It's impossible. My point is, if somebody's
spending hundreds of dollars every week to just drive traffic
to their Facebook page or garnerYouTube views, those people are
what the industry calls like, fly by.
Yeah, you know, they're not sticking.

(01:09:11):
Around they're one hit wonders. You're 55 people that we have on
YouTube now, which you know, hopefully becomes 55,000 or 5
million, but those people are going to be there to the bitter
end. They wanted to be a member of
this show and we love you for being here.
Same thing with my not our Spotify followers, Apple.

(01:09:32):
Yep, you know, there's people that like different platforms
and they're loyal to it. So all Chris is asking you to do
is if you hit that subscribe button, you'll know every time
we release something to your favorite platform.
Exactly. That's it.
Thank you. Don't let the bad days win.
Yeah, some somebody, Somebody Loves You.
You need to be here tomorrow when you wake up.
If you're having a bad day, just, you know, take a deep

(01:09:54):
breath, relax, inhale, meditate,chill out.
You'll be fine tomorrow, becausetomorrow is always a better day.
Yeah, we've both lost somebody to suicide, so.
We have. You don't, you don't ever get a
chance to, you don't ever get a chance to say, hey, don't do
that. So here's our chance to say
don't do that to somebody that might be thinking about it now.
So that means something to us. Exactly for the Chris and Mike.

(01:10:17):
So I'm Chris. He's Mike.
We'll see you next time. Love you brother.
Love you too man. Look the tablet.
Go inside, feel the teasers. Open your eyes on your journey.

(01:10:39):
Think yourself it's the place where you will go.
Feel the trail behind your eyes.Feel yourself and meet yourself.
Take a moment. Look.
Until. You see it fight the battle

(01:10:59):
that's you pose weird. Fight the battle, but you pose
weird. Who is this baby till you see
that? Oh yeah, this is beyond here.

(01:12:29):
You haven't found something in your sand for fighting.
Wait for the dead. When it's closer out and get.
Put in the wind, you ain't no creature we're playing.
Smile and you should you Chris on the almighty man, you got a

(01:12:53):
dream. Who in your life?
This people. Soul in every man.
Take the trail behind your eyes.Feel the soul revolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:13:51):
You gotta. You gotta.
You gotta. You gotta.