#101 - Conversations From The Abyss - The Chris & Mike Show

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I know, I know you can, man, I know you can.
Oh oh shit, we're live and I totally didn't have the.
News going on live, ladies. And gentlemen, that was that was
a little behind the scenes like,you know, because I hit the
button to go. I have another behind the scenes
question. OK, OK.
Where's our names? Where Oh my name I can see my

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name? Oh, I can't see mine.
You can't see Mike. It's right there, man.
Mother, it's not online, but that's.
Weird, weird, weird, weird, wacky stuff, man.
Because every man would say weird wacky stuff.
Or is that Johnny? Johnny Carson weird wacky stuff.
Whose? Line was that was that Johnny's
line? I don't know, man.

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I don't know. That's a good that's a good
conversation to have later. So we got to start the show off
with, with this by far one of myfavorite intros to a television
series. OK.
And I'm going to, I'm just goingto bust out on this cause 'cause

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it's, it's in my head and I can hear it.
Before we came on, I was singingto myself.
So making your way in the world today takes everything you've
got. Taking a break from all your
worries sure would help a lot. Wouldn't you like to get away
sometimes? We want to go where everybody

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knows your name. I'm out of key and they're
always glad you came. Dun Dun, Dun.
You want to be where you can seewhich I was all the same.
You want to be where everybody knows your name and.
If you don't know that, you've been living under a rock.

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Rice right, so today is yeah right.
So today's March, May 20th and we lost George Went, who was
famously known as Norm on Cheers, 78 years old, I think it
said. Great character.
Great, great fucking character and A and A and and a staple of
a character, right? Like you.
You think of Cheers. I always think of Norm.

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I don't know about anybody else and maybe a little bit of Cliff,
but it's more Norm to me. Absolutely.
He's the first character that comes to mind for me for sure.
And then Cliff sitting next to him, and then sitting behind the
bar and yeah. Yeah, I never, I never really
liked Ted Danson. I still don't really like him as
as an actor. He kind of seems like one of
those pompous, arrogant, narcissistic fucks.

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I mean I could be wrong. No, I there's something about
him. I'm trying to even think of a
series that I liked him in. See, that's it.
All you, all you think about himis.
Cheers. I guess that's.
Like he's, he's done other stuff.
He's he's intolerated. Him in.
Cheers, right. Yeah, I can.
I can see the things that he's done, but I can't, I can't name

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them now, unfortunately. He's in the remake of Naked Gun.
The Naked Gun, You know, police squad shit.
He's playing Leslie. Nelson's.
Character. Yeah, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Liam Neeson's doing that.
Liam Neeson I, I think of the, Ithink, I think of the same
because there's a thing on Netflix that has Ted Danson on
it and he's kind of right and hekind of looks.

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Liam Neeson is cool. He is cool, but Ted Danson's on
has this thing on Netflix I think where you see him and he
looks like he's he's playing theLiam Neeson character.
And I was just like, no, fuck, please don't.
Please don't, Please don't, don't, don't be that guy.
Just don't be that guy, you know?
It's all about the dollars, buddy.

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It's all about the dollars. Right.
It is, you know, So yeah, that'sthat's what happened today,
Norm. Norm has passed away.
Yeah, I don't know how I missed that.
Did that like just happened? Or it just it just happened in
the last hour so I just randomlyI've been.
Oh, that's why. I've been responding the
respondents of stuff on Reddit, real estate post and shit, kind

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of educating the masses and did a blog.
I made a handful of videos marketing and shit and it just
it popped up. No, normally Georgia went died,
you know, so. Yeah, definitely a staple of
American sitcom television for sure.
Yeah. Yeah, he was one of those
character actors that that basically took his spot, you
know, like, like owned it, ownedhis, owned his character for

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sure. Yeah, if you watch the show like
you and I did, you can totally see in your mind there he is
sitting at the barn, right? Just totally had that.
He had that posture totally thatdefined his character for sure.
Yeah, absolutely. And and and and then some
because again, you know, Sam wasthere and the Sam and Diane

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thing on Cheers was kind of cool, you know, for a while, but
it's just, it kind of got old. It's it's just like, OK, you
know, it's, I mean, I get every TV show needs to have a
relationship in it because it's got to draw in all, all the
demographics and women like relationships and shit.
And you know, my, my, my cohort on Co host on on my radio show

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Real Talk USA, Margie, she was actually on cheers.
She was an extra in the background.
That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, she has all kinds.
She had all kinds of fun stories.
I love those little. Claim to fame.
Yeah, growing up in in California and then she worked
she she's, I can drop some of these.
So she worked at a, at a, at a movie studio.
I don't know, we'll just call itWarner Brothers for lack of

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better name. And she would go on her smoke
break. I don't know what her role was,
but one of the time she went on her smoke break, she was Outback
smoke with Alec Baldwin, you know, back before he killed
somebody. Said he was quick, quick waited.
Like you wouldn't believe like that dude.
Just you say something and boom,he's right back at you firing.
OK, there you go. How?

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How do you feel about that subject?
About him shooting that dude in the in the movie, Yeah.
OK. So if you got to go back in time
a little bit. Like you know, I have, you know
I have an opinion about everything.
I do. I do so, so but this, but I'm
going to preface it with I'm going to preface it with this.
Remember the movie The Crow withBrandon Lee, Bruce Lee's son?

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Yeah, I've seen it about 100 times for.
Sure, great movie, great movie, fantastic.
He was he was killed in in the movie with with it wasn't it
wasn't real bullets, but it was enough.
There was enough bullets being fired at him that the shards
ended up piercing skin and killing him because they're
using blanks and blanks still discharge.
It's not just when you have a gun, you still have a bullet

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coming out. It's just not loaded with
gunpowder and shit. It's, you know, that should have
taught everybody in the movie industry gun safety on a grand
scale because Brandon Lee was just breaking into the scene.
He was. He's legend.
His father's a legend. Right.
I told her to remember that story.
Yeah, and it was, it was a great, it was a great movie.

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And he was, I mean, he, he, he was a good looking human.
He was ripped. He I mean, just everything.
He would have been a superstar for sure.
Yes, he would have been an action superstar hero type
thing. So, so with the Alec Baldwin
thing, we don't know anything but what we've read and seen and
heard. But if he's messing around with
a gun, a prop gun, nonetheless, he's still messing around with a

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gun and not handling it properlyand then it accidentally goes
off and kills somebody. I, I got to call BS on that.
He should have, he should have got in trouble for that because
he was, he was holding a prop gun and playing with it.
So right. I'm going to stop you right
there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because here's how I feel about it.
OK. You know that I had to pick one

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or the other, right? I like, I went out shooting guns
with the first guy that sang andplayed bass in our band.
He he was really into it. Took Scott and I out to the
desert several times, got us into shooting guns.
It was a blast. But I had to choose between do I
want to have nicer musical equipment or be a gun collector
because they cost about the sameamount of money, right?

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Guns are expensive. They are I don't my point of
this long winded. No, it's not long.
It's just you and I, man. Is thank you.
My point is I don't really know a whole lot about gun safety
other than the little bit that Ilearned for that six month
period before, you know, we moved on as a different band.

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But right, right. I know enough.
When you pick up a gun, you check everything before you ever
think about firing that weapon, right?
Is the safety on? Is it loaded properly?
You know blah blah blah blah. Is all the safety checks done
first before you even think about pointing that gun anywhere

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but at a target, right? Exactly.
That's just the way that Mike laid it out.
That way you don't kill anybody.We only shoot in this direction
and we do all these things before we point the gun at the
target. So he my point is he should have
checked to make sure that there weren't live rounds in that gun.
Absolutely. And who put the lab rounds in

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the gun to begin with? Because, again, it's a prop gun
on a movie set that has no business.
They never did. Did they ever figure that out?
I don't know. Because if he didn't load the
gun, he's for surely 50% responsible.
But then the. Person negligent homicide.
There you go. Negligent homicide?

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Absolutely, like you, you load it or not, you have the gun in
your hand. If if somebody comes to my house
and, and I get my shotgun out right and, and, and we struggle,
they take my shotgun, he ends upkilling me in my house and he's
the intruder. It's not, it's not murder, it's
self-defense, but it's still, it's still, it's a homicide
thing because it's, you know, breaking in and all that kind of
jazz. You know it's you.

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You still neglected. I don't know if that was the
best example, but you still neglected to maintain a level of
safety. That was a horrible example.
Just so you know, that I call you out, just.
I'm not going to sugarcoat shit.Yeah, that was a.
Horrible I was there. Terrible I was.
I was trying. To because you would have been
let off on self-defense. The guy broke in your home and
you had the absolute right to defend yourself, especially in
the great state of Arizona. Right.

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But if you took where? It's going kind of like the Wild
West. Right.
But if you took my gun from me, then he killed me, would that
still be relevant? Would that still be?
Then it's murder. Right.
Why? Is it murder?
Or is it? He killed you with your own gun.
Still murder, but who? But he was self defending
himself right? No, he's in here.
He broke in your house. You would be the greatest

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defense lawyer in the history ofthe fucking world.
He's arguing against himself. The judge would be like, you
win. I'm fucking confused.
That's awesome. No?
For surely murder. He took your gun from you and
then shot you in your own home. Unless you're going to claim
that he's going to claim squatter's rights at this point.

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Right. Yeah, right.
No, I live here, Officer. No, I I just moved in right
after this guy died. That's funny, man.
That's that's so funny. Now you know why we're into
serial killers. Ladies and gentlemen, it's.
Just right. Oh dude.
The Ed, right? Speaking of serial killers, the

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Ed Gaines stories coming out this month on on Netflix.
So sweet, right? It's supposed to.
Be really dark and disturbing. Yeah, it's supposed to be very
dark and disturbing, so we'll we'll see I.
Don't think it has a happy ending.
I don't think so either. I it's, I'm, I'm the one thing
about him. I've seen stuff on him, but
they've never made a movie abouthim.
So that that I think it's going to be the interesting part of

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it. Did you see they're making a a
Tyson movie with Jamie Foxx and Christian Bale?
No, no, no, no. Yeah.
OK. So that was I saw that the other
day. Jamie Foxx.
No, I'm sorry, Sammy. Jamie Foxx and Samuel Jackson.
Samuel Jackson, I think is playing Don King and Jamie Foxx
is playing Tyson. The other movie I'm I'm thinking
about with Christian Bale is Christian Bale and Nicholas Cage

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are playing John Madden and Al Davis Cage.
Right, Nicholas, I know, but still, man, Nicholas Cage, he's
one of those dudes that I mean, you love him or hate him 'cause
he fucking does. He doesn't turn anything down
right? But like I do image.
I do like a lot of his movies. For yeah, I do too, and his and

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his. I don't know if it's got to be
prosthetics and shit, because he's huge.
He's mad and huge in this thing.I saw picture for it.
Yeah, yeah. So I think I think that's going
to be good because it'll be coolto see what for sure what what I
I want to see the dynamic of Davis and Madden because,
because that would be cool. Because obviously it's it's just
starting with Madden's coaching years.

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And then I'm going to assume it leads into the broadcast booth
because why wouldn't it be stupid if it didn't?
But that'll be interesting to see what kind of human he was,
at least on that aspect. There was somebody recently
telling, and I wish I got to write these things down.
They're told the best Al Davis story ever, and it had to do
with the draft, like he screwed some kid from going somewhere

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else. Yeah, I can't remember how it
went down, but I was like, holy crap, that guy was gangster.
Oh, like that kind of gangster. Yeah, like the the kid would
ended up somewhere else that he probably wanted to go and
somehow Al Davis went in and didsome kind of underhanded deal
with the draft. And you know, things were

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different back then. Well, that I think, but there's
I still think there's Slim Shadyshit going on though on a whole
question. You know, like, I mean, just
everybody wants to say the wholeshudder.
Sanders, you know, dropped to the fifth round was the NFL and
you know, the whole nonsense of that.
But what I think it really was, nobody gives a damn who your dad

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is right at that level for sure.No, no, you're not.
I don't. I mean, because there's plenty
of sons that have played the that join the NFL that you don't
hear about because they're not as good as their fathers were.
And there's some that are there's some that are kind of,
you know, close to it, but not right.
There's I saw something last week because you being a
baseball fan, Cecil Fielder, right?

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So there's the third generation of the Fielder families now
playing baseball. Yes.
Yeah, that's that. Now that's legit.
But he still had to work his wayup.
It was absolutely, it wasn't like you're just drafted to the
majors and you're starting tomorrow.
You still got to you still got to put your time in.
And I think that's what what theSanders family was thinking,
that that Shadir was just going to walk on and be a number one

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pick overall, which, yeah, you if you don't have the skill set
and all the stuff that came out afterwards, too, he wasn't
prepared. He he was interviewing the
coaches instead of letting them interview him in the arrogance
and the narcissism. And he eventually fired his dad
as his agent. So what does that tell you?
That tells you a lot. Tells you everything.
When I heard that, I was like, huh, you know, I, I don't know,

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maybe I wanted to. I don't think I wanted to see a
different side than you when we've been talking about this.
But I'm glad you brought that up, because when I read that I
was like, holy shit, yeah, OK, now I'm on Chris's side on this
because that speaks volumes wheneveryone thinks there's some
kind of nepotism or whatever going on and all of a sudden

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that was the. Word.
That was the word. It here's a here's a good
correlation in the music world. I just read an article with
Wolfgang Van Halen and one of the questions that the guy asked
him and I would want to ask him this too.
Sure. Did your dad teach you how to
play guitar? You know, anybody would want to
know that Eddie Van Halen was one of the greatest guitar
players on the planet, and he flat out says no.

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My dad was a horrible teacher. He was a great.
Player, but he couldn't teach for shit because he would just
play it real fast and say you doit like this.
But he could never slow it down enough to where he could grasp
it as a young child to pick it up.
You got to slow things down to like, you know, so less than
half speed, maybe 1/3. So imagine being in that room,

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right? Eddie Van Halen sitting over
there in the recliner. You got Mike the guitar teacher
sitting there looking at Wolfgang, facing each other with
the chairs. And you're showing them how you
know the hit the the the frets and shit.
We just did a lot of that. Oh, did he?
Yeah, right on. And then looking over and seeing
Eddie, like just eyeing you, like, what are you fucking
teaching my son, man? Who?

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Who? That's not right.
That's wrong. Because, you know, he was a
control freak. He had to be for who he was.
You know, from a music standpoint.
Not I'm saying, you know, a lifelong, but from a music
standpoint. I didn't know de Weasel Zappa
taught him how to play guitar. That was cool.
He didn't teach him I'm, he was pretty well self-taught, but I
think that they hung out and, you know, like he picked up some
things from him because Eddie and de Weasel had been friends

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forever. Oh see, I didn't know that.
Oh yeah. I did not know that.
I'm pretty sure, for example, lived in that neighborhood.
OK, yeah, I know. I know.
Wolfgang, like his dad, plays everything.
Eddie gave De Weasel his first guitar.
Oh, no shit. Yeah, I did not know that weird
wild stuff on the Venice night show.
Johnny Caution. Do you like Johnny Caution?

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Yeah. Wolfgang stuff that was.
Oh yeah. I try every now and then.
I can get it every now and then.I can get my little accents
right off. I have I his new his new song is
kind of fun. It's it's it's you remember that
movie Till dusk, till dusk, fromdusk till dawn with with George
Clooney. Yeah.
Yeah, right. Wasn't Antonio Banderas and.
That yes, he was. Yes, he was.

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So was, so was the, I forget hisname now, the bad Lieutenant
Actor Harvey Keitel. Great freaking actor.
Oh, I love Harvey. Keitel.
If you ever saw bad Lieutenant, that's the epitome of Harvey
Keitel. Oh my gosh, there is also.
One, I've seen them all too. Yeah, just like Big Hackman and
clean the Eastwood Harvey Keitel.
I've seen all those. Movies.

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Yeah, Mickey Rourke had one and and I just every time I think of
Harvey Keitel, Bad Lieutenant, Ithink of this Mickey Rourke one.
Well, he was a barfly. The movie is called Barfly.
I don't think it's so good, but I haven't been able to find it
for years, man. But it's called Barfly.
Like he legit plays this little gimpy, no offense world
character that, you know, is notall physically there.

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And he's always searching for that one thing like, you know,
those people that just I need that one.
If I, if I hit the lottery, that's I'm, I'm set, man.
Oh yeah. And he's trying and he's trying
to put on this this boxing match.
And if he if, you know, he's in debt up to his eyeballs and
everybody's after him. And but I mean, he's Mickey
Rourke was was brilliant. He's a brilliant actor, man.
I wish he never did the freakingplastic surgery because it just

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destroyed his face. But totally agree.
Great actor, man. The wrestler.
You've had to seen the wrestler.He was epic in the wrestler.
It was a great movie. But yeah, so Harvey Keitel was
in it. So the video of his of his new
song he just released, just kindof it kind of has that vibe to
it. When the when when the the the

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bar turns and everybody starts turning the vampires and zombies
and crap. Right.
Miles Kennedy's in it. His head blows up.
I saw that that's. Awesome because because when I
watched I was like, like, that looks like Miles Kennedy.
And that's what made me go watchit because I read I think it.
Yeah, it was just a headline on Facebook that said Miles Kennedy
appears in mammoth new video or whatever.

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Yeah, see, I, I see that. I saw it from the fact that I
follow both of them and and Wolfgang had dropped something
about or maybe Miles dropped something about going on tour
with Wolfgang. Yeah, that's awesome.
And then that just led me down the path of, well, Wolfgang his
his second tour he opened for Alter Bridge.
Yeah, like I when I saw I've. Been following his career from

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the beginning because, yeah, thething that I appreciate about
him is he is pretty much self-taught and he plays
everything. He said.
Like Alex showed him a couple things on drums and Michael
might have showed him some things on bass or whatever, but
for the most part it was just him.
You know, his dad's out on tour with the rest of the guys and
he's sitting at home. Hey, I got the coolest equipment

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in the history of mankind. To listen to his album and know
that he's played everything on there is fascinating.
He's the bass grader, he's the drummer, he's the background
singer, he's the lead singer, he's the songwriter.
That's impressive. Yes, and that's kind of like a
la Prince, right? Because Prince would play
everything in his. Couldn't agree with that one.

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Phil Collins. Yeah, I didn't really Phil
Collins. I didn't know Phil Collins.
Phil Collins can play like 19 different instruments.
I don't know if he played all ofthe instruments on his albums,
but he played quite a few of. Them No shit.
OK, I didn't know that. I I knew.
I knew. I knew Prince.
I didn't know Wolfgang. That's legit.

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I know Kid Rock. I don't know if he plays
everything, but I know Kid Rock.He's Cape I love.
Right, because one of the one ofthe things I've seen him twice
and one of the things he does onstage during one of the songs is
he'll jump from from musician tomusician spot on the stage.
So he's singing and then he'll jump over to the piano guy.
Don't jump over to the drummer. They'll jump to the bass, jump
to the guitar. And if there's a horn section or

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shit, he does the whole gamut during one song, which is.
Do you know the Kid Rock VanillaIce story?
No. So you remember the album Devil
Without a Cause, right? His breakout album had a middle
finger in the middle of the CD, right?
And all the kids went, it's awesome because you know, that's
what we did back then. That's cool, man.

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That guy's like, fuck the man. Here's the story behind that
middle finger on that CD. He was signed to Atlantic
Records. I don't know who he ended up
signing with back in the day. I think it was Geff.
And it doesn't matter because itwasn't in Atlantic.
OK. So he's already got a deal.
They're ready to start promotinghim, recording an album.

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They're 100% behind Kid Rock. Along comes this guy named
Vanilla Ice Ice Ice and they could only fund one of the
artists. No kidding.
And they drop Kid Rock. So I'm almost positive Geffen
Geffen picked him up, you know, so many years later, right?
He still had to fight and scrapeand claw to get to the top.

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Another 3456 years, whatever it was, because Vanilla Ice broke
in what, the mid 80s? Late 80s?
Ladies. Yeah, maybe even the 90s
because. No, it was 80s for sure because
OK, Devil Without a Cause probably came out in what, 93
maybe? OK.

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So Vanilla Ice would have had tobeen probably late 80s.
So he had to still fight for another 3 or 4 years to get to
the top, you know, after he had already been there.
He's like, I got a record deal, I'm ready to go, and all of a
sudden they just kicked me to the curb for this guy who's got
one. Fucking song. 1985 was was when
Ville Ice first hit the scene. I was right the first time I

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said mid 80s. Kid Rock debut.
No, I just want to know when Devil Without a Cause came out
because I don't think anybody cared about him until then.
About Devil without a cause, where is?
It that's when the whole world knew who Kid Rock was.
Yeah, my. Name is Kid.

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He fucking yelled it at you right from the get go.
Yeah, kid. Rock returned to turn, to turn
to turn. A fucking bad ass riff.
Yeah. I couldn't hear that thing loud
enough on my speakers when I heard it the first time.
I'm like, this is this is the coolest fucking thing I've ever
heard. Right, it was dude and the fact

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that he was he mixed, he mixed 1998 devil out of cause.
So look how long. He had to wait from 1985 to 10.
Years, dude. No wonder there was a middle
finger on that fucking album. That's the story behind that.
That's crazy dude. I heard it from his own mouth on
one of his documentaries. That's crazy.

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Yeah, I had no I. Don't have a bad taste in your
mouth. And then now he's still I mean,
villain Ice is relevant. Villain Ice did OK for for for
his. He's not Kid Rock, though.
No, he doesn't have Kid Rock money, that's for sure.
Kid Rock's got that middle. Finger money, that's for sure,
right? Yeah, that's absolutely for
sure. So we were supposed to have a

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guest on the show today. By the way, this is the Chris
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There are different shorts from different people that were on
our show at random times. It's pretty fantastic.
I'm telling you. It's beautiful people.

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It's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing.
You're going to absolutely just love.
Just love. The kids seem to dig them as
we're just going to say, the kids seem to dig them.
Yeah, you're just going to love the Christian micro.
Can I bring that back? You can bring that back.
Dig them, dig them. I dig it, man.
I dig it, you know, because I don't know if I.
Understand this language they speak today.

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This is this is kind of fun. So Walter Coggins.
Walton Coggins. Right.
Righteous Gemstones. Baby Bobby.
Billy. Baby Bobby, Billy.
Great. Is that what it is?
Is that what it is? Baby Bobby, Billy.
Baby Bobby Billy. Yeah.
Baby Bobby. Baby Bobby.
So. But he was also Uncle Rico,
right? But he's also Uncle Rico.
Like, that's the dynamic of thisguy.

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If you didn't know that boys andgirls, the guy who plays Baby
Bobby Billy on Righteous Gemstones was played Uncle Rico
on Napoleon Dynamite, he was. Also a badass on Justified.
I can't remember that character name.
And their yes, he was. Right now, because he was a
great anyway, he was a great character on Justified.
He was on White Lotus recently, that was good.
So anyway, what I'm going with this is he maintains and manages

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his own social media stuff. OK, No shit.
Right. So when that, when that little
scene came out or I just, I need$2,000,000 in 8 ball.
Why can't you just understand that?
I just need $2,000,000 in 8 balland then I'm, I'm off.
I'm off doing my thing. Right.
So that dropped on something on on Facebook and I typed in below

(25:56):
it the acronym for if you know, you know, right, right.
OK. Oh yeah, Couple days later,
Skyler messaged me. Oh, Dad, Walter Coggins manages
his own Facebook page. I'm like, that's cool.
He's like well he liked your post so legit I went and looked.
That's awesome. And and so he's he liked my post
and followed me, so I'm following back.

(26:20):
You got so tight now man. That's awesome.
The the really cool thing is you're.
Welcome on anytime, Walter. Right, exactly.
I actually said that I had. He hasn't responded yet.
And I've been getting a lot of alot of friends, a lot of friends
suggestions on Facebook that have to do with with I think
it's because Mark Jeffrey, because you know how Facebook
is. Oh, for sure.

(26:41):
All the radio, TV stuff in the valley all of a sudden is
suggesting to be my friend. So a couple of them accepted it
and I reached out to one Kim. Kim can tell her.
I was like, hey, you want to be on our show?
She's like, well, send me some links.
I was like, OK, here's your links.
Now let me know. She has a.
Link away a. Link away.
So that was kind of cool, you know, so then I, so when I was

(27:02):
going with that, I went on his page because scholar said he
manages it. And I watched, I went all the
way down to the beginning because he hasn't done it for
very long. It's, it's kind of cool because
it's like there's stuff where hegets like 10 engagements, which
is the likes, loves, you know, heart emoji, whatever.
And then, you know, no shares and 15 comments all the way up
to when he's doing this SaturdayNight Live thing that day he's

(27:25):
jumping up and down and it's like, you know, 18,000 reactions
and 87 shares and like 400 comments.
But the dynamic of it I thought was cool because normally
somebody that's at that. Similar to ours on scale, right?
Right. One's got one's got 100,000

(27:47):
views or 30, whatever it was, and then the next one's got 12.
Yeah. It's just, it's a, it's a trip.
How that? How that?
It's like some of your shorts godown a black hole to never be
found again. Right.
And not just I didn't mean yours, I mean just like
everyone's in general. But it's like.
The Internet sucks it up and nobody ever sees it again.

(28:10):
Yeah, those 12 people were lucky.
Yeah, I came across 1 today 'cause I was.
I wrote a blog about the HUD, one settlement statement in the
real estate world and what it's all about, blah, blah, blah,
because somebody had asked on, on Reddit, which is where I go.
And, and, and I, I read, I read comments and I like them and
that kind of thing. And I, and I answer the
questions and stuff because I'm real estate professional.

(28:32):
So I'm, you know, putting my stuff out there.
So it was. It was surprising to me that I
couldn't find that one video I did in in 2022, but my other one
I did today wasn't long enough to to put it up as into a blog,
which was stupid. Did you say you're putting
yourself out there, Chris Dunham?
Do we need to have an intervention?

(28:53):
I put myself out there all the time, Michael.
I think by the way I want to. Have a guest on the show that
discussed that subject. Yeah, so.
It'll be OK. I'm on I'm on the YouTube page
right now. I got to say our YouTube page.
If you haven't been there boys and.
Girls are YouTube page kicks ass.
Right. It's just at Chris and Mike show
and it's I'm looking at it because I wanted to I wanted to

(29:14):
find something. That thing's bad ass.
I. I think what you should do is
write down the 1st 56 or whatever it is followers and
someday we'll send them some nice gifts when we have some
swag and some merchandise because they have really
supported our page on a level that's about 10 to 15 to one of

(29:35):
all the other platforms can buy.And so congratulations ladies
and gentlemen of the YouTube community, you guys kick ass.
You do kick ass. And one of one of our past
guests, Nate, Nate Palmer, the $1,000,000 body, he, he, I sent
him all his shorts from his show.
I told him, you know, start sharing these things and he's
like, you know, they don't sharevery well on Instagram.
I'm like, they do, dude. They actually they're perfect

(29:56):
for Instagram because they're less than a minute.
Actually, our Instagram reels do, not quite as well as your
Facebook reels, but they do about 5:00 to 1:00 on Facebook.
I know numbers, ladies and gentlemen.
I, yeah, just have an obsession with how things grow.
Well, and and see, and this is where I'm going with it because,
OK, there is there, there you go.

(30:17):
Because YouTube gives you certain things.
So Bill Belichick praising Eli Manning, that was a 25 second
short. That's over 11,000 views.
The Maddox debate, the Maddox rule, the rule, the Greg Maddox
rule. That's 1400 views.
But we had that one on Instagram.
That was what, 60,070 thousand? Right.
So that's the, that's the dynamic of it.

(30:37):
It's a trip. Pete Rose was 916.
We obviously were right on that because in the.
But here's the deal. Here's what I see.
You have shorts right now because you release them
religiously, correct? Some of them.
Some of them shoot right up to 8. 100, right?
Yeah. And the next one is 15 and then
the next one is 900 and it'll be56, right?

(31:00):
And then it's 1.5 K and then it's. 2 Yeah, it's weird, man.
It's the weirdest thing. I love watching it though, it
cracks me up. It's like.
Yeah, I'm I'm what is special? About these other ones, I I
think I don't know but. Yeah, 'cause I'm, I'm going
through, just scrolling through right now, there's like 400 plus
is all the popular ones, all theshorts, they're at least have
400 views. So I don't know if that's if

(31:22):
that's YouTube's algorithm that you got to have at least 400 for
it to be popular. But I mean we have, I'm still
scrolling. I mean, that's how many sorts we
have that are still. Well, I think it's a combination
of a lot of things. You've gotten better at your
advertising of it, even at the grassroots level, right, Your
better displays, you have more interesting content on a regular

(31:44):
basis, a lot of things come intoplay.
You have better hashtags, whatever, you know.
Yeah. And right now there's a bunch of
young kids screaming at me goingif you would do just this, you
would have 10 million. And I'm like, yeah, so send us
an e-mail. Yeah, as I see those things,
we're, we're on, we're on some podcast platforms on, on social

(32:04):
media and I see, oh, I just got my thing up to, you know, 60,000
subscribers in a year. And my comment always says, did
you pay for that or was it organic?
And guess what? They never answered the question
because and they never answered the question.
That means they paid for it. You know that as well as I do.
Oh, that's. Stupid, we've been around the
block when it comes to entertainment and being an
artist and how shit works. The game may change but or the

(32:27):
way the game is played may change but the game is still the
same right? It is.
It's all about networking and you and I, I think, are doing it
the right way and that we're meeting new and interesting
people all the time that are providing a message of some kind
of interesting. It doesn't always have to be
positive. I don't want to say positive

(32:48):
because the world is not always positive, but for the most part,
we've done a good job of bringing some pretty uplifting
messages to the world and that makes me happy, right?
I think people like those stories of Alicia's story blew
me away, man. You know that some of these just
keep getting better and better. It's like you can't believe
there's people out there doing that kind of work because the

(33:12):
media would have you believe that everything's falling apart
every day while this person's going out putting it back
together, right? And and that's the fucking
media, man. I just, I just don't.
I just can't. I'm so tired.
It's fucking exhausting if you try and make sense of it because
there is no sense to be made of it.
It's all propaganda. You know that as well as I do.

(33:32):
One, they just and they just lie.
They just, they just lie. Propaganda.
Everything, it's just it's like,like, yeah, like.
Here's an interesting thing because I number one, I don't
want you to get angry and #2 I think this is interesting.
I was scrolling through my fucking rabbit hole that I go

(33:53):
down on Facebook or Instagram orone of them, right?
And I fucking hate that because sometimes I lose an hour,
sometimes two of my life and that's unacceptable.
But this person had an interesting theory that we've
discussed on this podcast beforeof the Mandela Effect, Yes.
And this guy said, what if it's so sinister that it's not really

(34:13):
magic? What if they are purposely
changing the timeline ever so slightly maliciously to see how
far they can go before people will break, right?
How how much can we change certain things?
It broke my brain for a minute. I sat.
And you know when somebody makesme stop and think because most

(34:35):
of the time I'm like, yeah, you're full of shit and here's
why. Because I've studied a lot of
things and I don't claim to be the smartest person in the
world, but there's a lot of things people tell you you're
like, that's bullshit and here'swhy.
And if you don't believe it, that's fine.
So kind of like the Truman Show.Remember the Truman Show, where
they're. Manipulating the character,
we're being gasoline. Yeah, well, we've talked about

(34:57):
that before to where are that we're, you know, are we actually
living in what's known as the matrix like did the matrix is
that is that? I mean, I don't think that's
legit like that, but I think that I wouldn't.
That's a possibility, like a simulation.
Yeah, yeah, a simulation, yeah, yeah, which would be weird you.
Know world landed long ago. We're just like the Matrix or

(35:17):
floating in suspended animation to be used as batteries.
So, so this, I like that. That's that's, yeah, that's.
How do we know that's not? True.
That's heavy, man, That's heavy.When virtual reality takes over,
how do you know that's not true?And that's common.
Oh, it's dude. It's it's so it's.

(35:38):
You're already being trained by carrying your fucking
smartphone, you just don't know it.
Right, did you see the video like we went in the QT, Nick and
I drove to Tucson 'cause I got the listing popping up.
And I liked it. Your mom commented on it.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's right.
So boys and girls that are in the listening viewing audience,
if you're not familiar with whatI'm talking about, my wife and I
went down to Tucson 'cause I have a listing coming up to the
wholesale deal. And there was, we went to a QT

(36:02):
because, you know, it's an hour and a half from our house.
We had to pee. And that one, I didn't know if
the house is going to have utilities out or not.
So I'm like, we need to go here,stop here.
Just, you know, get out, stretchlegs, you know, go to the
bathroom. Sure.
We walk in the door and there's this robot.
Remember, for those of you that ever watched The Jetsons, OK,
it's a small version of Rosie the robot, probably 3 feet tall,

(36:25):
and it had eyes, and the eyes could see me walking in the door
because it stopped. It talked, it told me thank you
for coming to QT, please come again.
And then later, hello, I'm a robot, please don't mind me as I
clean the floor and thank you for shopping at QT.
So let me ask you this real. Quick, yes.
In 2025, when I can sit here with the most badass computer

(36:49):
that Mac could make in 2023 to make a more badass one in 2025.
But I have the best thing that Mac made in 2023.
It can make voices out of anything.
Why does it still have to be therobot voice?
And thank you for coming to Cutie.
And I, I, I think it needs to have the cute element to it for
the little kids that walk in thestore.

(37:10):
To catch their attention, keep them from getting run over or
whatever. Yeah, OK, I can accept.
That 'cause it did it, it did itlegit stopped.
Like grabbed your attention. It stopped and then it and then
it turned around, 'cause I stoodin sway.
We have them cleaning our floorsat work so.
Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah, it's, it's,
it's coming. It's coming.

(37:31):
Well, I told you I read that article, that in 2026 or 2028
they're going to have a fully automated assembly line of
humanoid robots in South Carolina building cars.
Did I tell you that? I don't.
I don't think you did. And that's scary from the
standpoint. Of that's a true story.
I believe you, but it's scary from the standpoint that you,

(37:56):
some of those things, you just, you just you got to have the
human element to it. I think you know some of the,
some of the nuances. I I do I think so in building a
car. I think you're right.
I I think there needs to be something.
Huh, I actually know you're right on a lot of levels.
Yeah, I just, that's what I'm saying.
I just think you have to have. I'll tell you on the off the air

(38:16):
why, OK. Well, one of the reasons why I
think why is because if if like a human, OK, so like a trained
human, like somebody who who built cars back in the day,
right? When when Detroit started
booming, right. They could look at the car, they
could look at the body. They they could see
imperfections after doing their job long enough, they could say,
oh, this is this is jacked. This won't fit.

(38:38):
This is off. This is off.
This isn't whatever, right? Do you have that human element
to it? Machines are great.
Yeah, because the air and and the flaws should drop.
But here's what I'll say about the manufacturing process in
today's America, which I'm pretty familiar with, right?
Yeah. You are.
They're great as assistants to help a meaningless task.

(39:05):
Yes, that would cause repetitivemotion injuries and but there
still needs to be eyes on the prize, so to speak, as the
project moves along. And that doesn't just go with
building cars. They still can't recreate
Beethoven, right? Because AI can't.
AI has no imagination. That's the one thing.

(39:27):
Once it has imagination, we're fucked.
Right. Because then it can think for
itself. That's the that's the
distinctive factor between mankind and the animal Kingdom
or electronics, right? We have free will and we have an
imagination. An imagination made this
microphone, made this computer, made all this possible, right?

(39:49):
I'm too stupid to do any of this.
So I've luckily somebody had a different imagination.
I can do the podcast, I can makeit work.
You can make it work. But we couldn't build the
microphone, the computer, the mouse, the interface that we
use. You know, people don't think
about that shit. That all came from a human
brain. It didn't come from a
rhinoceros. It didn't come from a giraffe.

(40:11):
No. And it didn't come from a
computer yet. That's the scary part, because
the keyword is. Yet I've seen a lot of say I
shit, I've played with the Oculus Rift and all that kind of
stuff. What's the Oculus that explain?
I don't know what that is. So the Oculus is a virtual
reality headset. OK.
Where you can play games in a virtual reality space, so you're

(40:33):
in your own living room, but when you put that on, you have
to be very aware of your surroundings because you are now
in a three-dimensional environment that is no longer
your living room. It's a lot like tripping on
acid. Gotcha.
You know the world in front of you disappears and another world
appears that is either in your mind or it's really there.
You just don't see it all the time, right?

(40:54):
Virtual reality is a lot like that, and it's fucking weird
until you get used to it. If you have any kind of motion
sensitivity, I don't recommend it at all.
OK, freak you the fuck out. But if you don't, it's man, it's
cool. There was a game called Beat
Saber on there where you just basically had a lightsaber and

(41:15):
you played your favorite songs and these objects came at you
and you're hitting them with lightsabers.
And that's how you scored your points, right?
And you could play that against Carrie and I planted together.
That's where I, she had one of those.
It was awesome. So that's the world we're coming
to. There's going to be a point
where I feel like you're going to be able to choose between

(41:36):
that world and whatever's left of this world, right?
If we don't shape things up, this world could come in.
We could either be whatever, nuclear winter, no resources.
What if there's a company that comes along that says, hey, if
you just want to slip into this world, we'll pay you X amount of

(41:59):
dollars to be a participant, right?
And now there's a million, 2 million people living in virtual
reality, and that's their new environment.
That would be a trip, man. And then you just, you're just
sitting there in a, in a. You're in suspense animation,
basically. Yeah, like the Matrix when he
wakes up. In the but now you can be

(42:19):
married. Called.
Cindy Crawford, you know, and then her when a woman of your
dreams or. Well, it's that I I I can't
imagine being married to anybodyelse but Nikki, as cheesy as
that sounds, even. No, in your position, I'm in a
different position. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is true. You can have Cindy Crawford.
I'll, I'll still, I'll still have Nikki 'cause you know, oh.
It's going to be Jennifer Aniston for me.

(42:39):
Aged. I think she got better with age.
Well, you know, plastic surgery and and and nipa.
Tucks, hers is really good. It is, well, because she's
smart, man. She didn't do it stupidly, you
know, and I think some of it probably is from good living,
like a lot of how people age. It's it, it ties directly with
their life and their lifestyle and their stress levels And, and

(43:01):
you know, like I have one of theworld's most stressful jobs.
You have one of the highest suicide rates.
Too. I do.
Oh yeah. My fucking job is just, you
know. A lot of people don't know that
that that came as a shock to me.I think you're the one that told
me that. Yeah, yeah, I, I've legit, I
told you before, it's worth repeating.
I sold a house. I sold three houses to a family.

(43:23):
The father-in-law was so emotionally attached to their,
their their house. He raised the kids and, you
know, forever and ever, rightfully so.
So that was a struggle. And then they bought a new one
right across the street from from the people that that the
kids of, of the father-in-law, right.
I grew up with them. But when all is said and done,
representing all three of them, he had Tony had pulled me aside

(43:46):
one day. And he's like, you know, I, you
know, I thought my job was stressful.
And just so you understand, boysand girls, this was a former
hostage negotiator with the Maricopa County deputies.
Holy craps, right? And has spent, even though he's
retired now, he's spent probablythe last 15 years doing cold
case remains. And what I mean by that, he

(44:11):
feels that every, every box of bones deserves to have a name
attached to it. So that's his, that's his gig.
And that's what he does after retired.
He still fights to find those names of those of those remains.
But yeah, he said that he would not wish my job on anyone.
I agree straight up. And he straight up was a hostage

(44:33):
negotiator for decades. And here's.
Why? That's fascinating.
It is way way more fast like. Like I wish I could get him to
put that in writing because I need it in writing.
It's way more fascinating than what my opinion would be worth
because that guy was under way more stress than I've ever been
in other than trying to stay alive at one point.
So I guess I can relate at some level.

(44:54):
But it's, you know, all the things that you say that you've
learned along the way as we've done this podcast.
And one thing I've learned from you is I would not want to do
your job just for the simple fact I'm a pretty good self
starter and self motivator. But I don't know if I could
continue it at that level doing that job.

(45:18):
You know what I'm? Saying it's, it's, yeah, I do.
It's it's very, it's very. You have to have a passion for
it for sure, what you do. Yeah, you do.
And and the other thing too withit, it's a fucking microphone.
I can't get this day wearing today.
The other thing too with it as well is that I'm documenting my
day-to-day that you wake up every day, and I've said this

(45:42):
before, unemployed and what I dotoday affects me 45 days from
now. And so when you're constantly
grinding, trying to, to drum up business and, and I've, I've
drummed up plenty of business the last couple months, but they
all hit the wall for some reason, right?
This buyer couldn't do because that this one's on hold because
this this one can't go because of this, that one needs to do

(46:05):
that. So it's, you know, it's one of
those weird conundrums where I've had enough flowing of
potential deals, but they all just stopped on a dime because,
you know, this didn't work or that didn't work or they got to
save more money and they got to pay this that off or they didn't
realize by doing this, by the way, when you want to
consolidate your credit cards, you think you're doing it right

(46:26):
by doing a credit consolidation loan, you just essentially file
bankruptcy. So don't do that.
You know what I'm talking about credit consolidation.
You see those ads and stuff, boys and girls online, you can
consolidate your credit cards. You know, if you have over
$20,000 credit card debt, we'll no, because it is it's it's you
just you just filed bankruptcy. It's the same approach because.

(46:50):
The one thing that you and I have in common when it comes to
credit is I have been on both sides of the fence where I
knowingly and willingly ruined my credit and knew how to
manipulate the system to get what I needed and what I wanted
on a level that's probably unprecedented other than like
fucking New York Stock Exchange white collar crime.

(47:12):
You know, I knew what I was doing for sure.
I ran up a lot of credit cards and never paid them off because
they will not put you in jail. No, they won't.
But they will ruin your fucking life forever when it comes to
you can't buy a car and you can't buy a house.
And Chris worked miracles helping me understand what
credit meant the first time I bought a house.

(47:33):
So, you know, I think you put ittestimonial for me, which you
can do anytime on the Internet the other day that said I will
testify what he will go to as a,you know, the lengths he will go
to as a realtor. There were No2 less opportune
clients than Carrie and I at thetime because she basically had

(47:54):
no credit and mine was in the toilet.
So I learned a lot from you justgetting started there.
And then, you know, my life fellapart after that.
My credit rating fell apart after that.
So I had to rebuild from not applicable when I moved back
here in 2009 to I'm sitting heretalking to you.
I just got it from Discover Cardthe other day.

(48:14):
It's 825. So wow, I figured shit out.
Holy smokes man, I know what I'mdoing when it comes to repairing
your credit so. That's better than mine.
Well, it's better than a lot of people's just for the simple
fact you're carrying more debt than I am, like revolving debt
and blah, blah, blah. You know, your situation is

(48:35):
different than mine. But sure, I have a better credit
score than the guy that taught me how to get there, which is
Clark Howard. His is like 770-5780 averages
all the time because he carries a lot of debt.
You know, he's a landlord and blah, blah, blah, whatever.
But yeah, I figured shit out. So when you tell people that, I

(48:55):
want them to know his message is100% true.
You have to do all the things that he lists and the podcast
that he's releasing right now onhis YouTube page, right?
I learned that. I learned that from this.
I was like, hey, why you don't want to do a little side project
and and that I think that. They're valuable, man.

(49:17):
Thank you and I haven't looked at my numbers on it.
I just when I went in to upload a couple today I was like holy
smokes I got 100 more followers in a week.
Well, I'll drop that shit on ourpage too.
You know it's legit if you not, even if you're looking for a
house in Arizona. I mean, that kind of stuff is
valuable to people. I didn't know until I knew.
One of my favorite sayings in life is you don't know what you

(49:38):
know. You don't know what you don't
know till you know it, right? I almost forgot my own saying.
You people say this is a stupid question.
I'm like there are no. There's never no thank you.
I have this. Only stupid question is the one
you don't ask. So you don't know what you don't
know till you know it. That's one of my favorite
sayings. And if you know it, then you
know it, and you always know it.Then you can share that
knowledge with somebody else whodoesn't know it.

(49:58):
Then you just took something they didn't know and made them
know it. Because you know it.
Because you knew it from the time you knew it, and learned it
from knowing it. Now tell me what you said
before. Listen to your sin every time.
I was trying to think of it the other night.
OK, tomorrow doesn't understand,yesterday will never be again,
so take a moment and listen to your sin.
I fucking love that. I was dead and I couldn't think

(50:19):
of it. I was sitting there and I'm
racking my brain. I I had part of it, but I I
could. So, so that right there is 100%
I should turn this. That's 100% Jeff Tate influence
because Jeff Tate to me. Jeff Tate is the lead singer of
a band called Queens Reich Ladies and Gentlemen If.
You don't know. So I was always I I loved the

(50:41):
Queens Reich. I loved scorpions, right?
You know, we've kind of right. So back when Nemesis was, was
was just beginning, you know, when I joined this desperate
Angel, my, my big things I was watching at the time was Ozzy
Osbourne's Live and Loud becausehe was going on his final tour.
And tours tour. My cousin got me into it.
Right and Queens Reich was was breaking under the scene at a

(51:03):
grander scale than Operation Mind Crime.
They released building empire they built, they released
empires or empire which was a whole more commercially
successful not. Yes.
For sure not. Not really a whole concept album
like Operation was. Even though it was, it didn't
have. Just not to the level.
Yes, right, but so the live whenthey went on tour for for

(51:29):
building empires tour they call it, they would do an hour of
operation mind crime and then they would play the empire album
in its entirety. That's.
Awesome. Right, so then.
So you got to see part of the tour.
I did. And then because I didn't see
the Building Empires tour, I sawthe Operation Mind Crime tour.
I ended up seeing that a couple more times on the anniversary

(51:50):
dates they did at the celebrity theater here in Phoenix.
They did. They did the Operation Line
crime in its entirety. At the time I took my brother, I
was done drinking. He was still a slosh.
We were legit as close as I am to my screen to Jeff Tate the
whole show because there he was and my brother wouldn't leave
him alone. So Jeff Tate literally ended up
moving over by Eddie for the bulk of the show and stayed on

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that side of the catwalk becausehad a catwalk runway that would
go. Back I saw Ted Nugent.
There was Scott. Right on.
So Tate would run off the stage and then come back and.
Yeah, Yeah. So I mean, here he was.
And then he just wouldn't leave him alone.
Just. And my brother's like, you know,
6-2, you know, I want to say 200lbs, but he's.

(52:35):
It's muscle. It's built 200 lbs.
And when he's drunk, it's. And you have somebody down in
the front row. Yeah.
You know, every time Jeff Tate came by and I started watching
Def Tate's eyes, like. You know what that's like when
somebody's a little fucking crazy 2 feet from you?

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It's like, bye, Jeff, see you, see you over there.
OK, so that was kind of a drag. But yeah, so anyway, when I was
going with that story, squirrel,squirrel, squirrel.
And when they film, when they recorded, when they recorded the
mind crime, the live part of it,they wrapped up a song in an
Operation Mind Crime set list. And as his music was winding

(53:17):
down, he's like, I got a question here.
I want to know, is there anybodyhere tonight in Madison, WI that
believes in love? And then and then Degarmo and
he's like, I don't and turns around.
I'm like, fuck, like I got chills as a kid watching that
was a kid. But like, you know, like as I

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said it. I can still.
I can still see it. So I still got a little bit of
the chills because because that's just, that was just, that
was fucking cool, man. And so, so those are the little
things, the little nuances that I would pick up.
So imagine this. Yeah, I'm 16 years old.
I see them for the first time dotheir entire Operation Minecraft

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album before Metallica plays their And Justice for All set
list. And I was in the front row for
the And Justice for All set listbecause that was back in the
days when they still had generaladmission.
People hadn't gotten smart yet. Metallica concerts can get a
little rowdy if he didn't know. So as soon as Queens Reich was

(54:21):
done and the lights went down and they started playing that
opening little, I think it's a French horn on blackened chairs
started flying. And my buddy looked at oh fuck
yeah. It got open quick, dude.
People were trying to get to thefront, so we saw a path and if

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we hadn't gone at that second, he's like, we got to go now.
We ended up right up against thegate.
James was sweating on us, just like Jeff should have been for
you if you hadn't been in an unfortunate position.
He. He he was for a while.
You know, do you know how much that changed my fucking life?
To be like this was before they put you 16 feet from the band?

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This guy was sweating on us. He was literally 5 feet from us.
That changed my life, man. I was like, I want to do that.
You know what? That's a job.
Yeah, this guy's making a living.
Yeah, yeah. Fucking.
Incredible, man. That would be cool.
That would be cool. And that's the thing that people

(55:22):
don't understand now. And that's, I'm glad you pointed
out because really, there's a barrier now.
And it's because idiots would jump on stage.
That's why you don't have nice things, because people don't
respect the fact that that, yeah, yes, James Hetfield's a
rock God. He's an icon.
He's he's he's, you know, changed the evolution of heavy
metal and then some. But he's still a freaking human
being. He can still be freaked out.

(55:44):
He can still be spooked if if you're jumping on stage and or
screaming top your lungs, just like Jeff Tate was with my
breast. In peace.
Poor fucking Darrell got shot while he was doing what he
loved, right? Entertaining his fans?
Yeah, jumping on stage and fucking murdered him.
From prime example, absolutely prime example.
That's why there's barriers, that's why there's one.
Of the most peaceful human beings in the earth that played

(56:05):
some of the heaviest music on the planet, right.
Nobody ever said a bad thing about Darrell.
They were like holy shit what a amazing human being.
Went and did guitar clinics for kids and just wanted a jam, man.
One of your famous quotes that Ialways tell people that I always
loved about you is you would sayall the time.
I don't know, dude. It's just like if we'd start to

(56:26):
even get close to being in an argument, like I just want to
jam, man. Let's just fucking jam, dude.
Come on, let's let's go crank itup.
Let's get loud. Yeah, because everything's
better when you jam, man. Absolutely.
Everything that's better, you get, you get all the emotion
out, you get whatever's in your head out, you just, you just
lose yourself in the music. You kind of transcend into the
moment of whatever you're doing because you got to be focused.

(56:48):
You got. To but it brought us all back
into a circle, right? Everybody always got to chuckle
out of that. You just be like, I don't know
man, whatever dude. Let's let's just jam.
Let's look at jam. Let's jam.
We can worry about that later. Let's play something we know
right now, right? Just jam.
And then, and then you all just,you all just knew and shut up on
our fucking play then. Fuck you, Chris.
Because you can't argue with logic.
We, we were all there to do that.

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It's like, fuck, he's right, youknow?
And then five songs later, nobody's mad.
No, because you forgot why you're mad.
Because it was that stupid and petty.
And it wasn't stupid and petty, but it just, it was relevant at
the time and it was always something music related, right?
It was, you know, lyrically or you know, bridge here, bridge

(57:30):
there, fill this gap, put the fill in here.
I don't want to make it sound like that.
And you know, Scott used to out ride me because I would say I
would say phrases too many times.
I remember that one song. I don't know why.
He's like, dude, you say I don'tknow why too many times, but it
calls for it. Scott.
It doesn't. Carrie, Carrie, what do you
think? Leave me out of it.
She was a good producer. Like, leave me out of it, you

(57:52):
know? And then it's every time, dude,
she's like, dude, you do sing that way too many times.
I'm like, but it calls for it. I'm filling the space.
Trust me, on stage, you'll see it because it's an energy thing.
I'm building it up. That was a song about how I went
and pissed off Rodger Klein. I love that song.
Which is now the Peacemakers. But that's the whole.

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That's what that song was about.Because.
I was actually proud of that moment because that was so
different for us. That song was not like anything
else we ever wrote. It was like it was very.
Remember, the beat was very on. The only best way I can describe
it is Scott was like not on top of the beat.
He was almost like over the top of the beat.

(58:33):
It was very driving in a way that.
It was. It was, yeah.
You know what I'm saying? But it was because the way the
melody and the way I sang it, I,we built it up because legit I
was, it was AI told a story. So much fun to play.
Yeah. It just was, yeah.
It was a journey. It was a journey melodically and
vocally. And then the way you guys built
the music around it, it just kind of just it build up, build

(58:54):
up and then it was. Kind of.
Then it dropped down to nothing.Yes, remember.
Yes, because that's and it would.
Build itself back up from there because I fucking like that
song, dude. I love playing it live.
I think we only got to play it live a handful of times.
Yeah, that was a good song though.
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(59:15):
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(59:35):
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We don't want to pay for licensed subscribers because
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Like we were in the music industry where you built
everything by word of mouth. We had to beat the streets and

(01:00:20):
Flyer and go to ASU and hand it out to beautiful women.
It was horrible. I'd hate it every second of it.
It was. Grueling.
Terrible. In Arizona heat, I handed out
those Flyers to every beautiful woman woman I saw.
That's. Why you're so skinny.
Let's say you didn't. You didn't.
You lost all the weight because you're walking around when

(01:00:40):
there's 100° outside when you'relong haired and you know the
rock'n'roll. That was one of the best ideas
we ever had, though. I'm like, why are we going to
all these places? Let's just go where the chicks
are, right? Yep, and there you go.
We should have what we should have did.
We should have went to strip clubs because some of our A.
Couple I did a lot of that, but I don't think I flyered there.

(01:01:02):
A couple of our songs would havedefinitely worked very well for
the stripping, stripping world. Oh no.
Question. I'm not going to lie.
So, you know, there's that for sure.
So you sent me something and I liked it.
I knew you would. So I'm going to.

(01:01:22):
I got another one too, but I thought you ought to read that
one because I got a funny one after that.
So here a funny thought. So here are the uncomfortable
truths that that everybody needsto hear.
OK, and this is a trip because this really is eye opening.
Made me think. The average lifespan is 76 years
in Is it? Is this just America because I

(01:01:43):
know in in in like overseas Asian?
Country, I think that's average overall, like worldwide.
So, so Norm George went, lived two years past the average
lifespan. Not bad for somebody who was as
large as he was And agree and, and, and we don't know if he's
healthy or not, but from a, froma visual standpoint, very
unhealthy human. But you know, to each his own.

(01:02:05):
Middle age is not 50, it's 38. So when you're having a midlife
crisis, boys and girls, you're 38, not 50.
That's about where I was. Yeah, not 50.
The days are long, but the yearsare shorter than you think.
Isn't that true? We just talked about his time
going faster. Yeah, I don't know if it's
necessarily going faster, but like, OK, so here's here's a

(01:02:26):
good way to explain this. So little man 5 1/2, right?
Like just yesterday he was 1. So that's a trip, right?
And and he does these little things every now and then.
We're all. I know where you're going with
this, yeah. Yeah, so.
But pull up. OK, OK.
How do you explain me? Because I blinked in 10 years
went by, right? I don't have AI, don't have kids

(01:02:49):
to compare it to if they're not married.
So and then they find out that the universe is expanding faster
than they had anticipated. I'm like, does that mean time's
going faster? We don't know if time is really
linear, right? We don't.
We don't. We don't.
And I and I, yeah, it feels likeit's going faster from from a
calendar standpoint. Nothing's changed.
Like we haven't changed our calendar at all.

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Right. I can guarantee you if Carrie's
listening to this, she's screaming because one of my
running and jokes the whole timeshe's known me is days, 24
hours. It goes the same all the time,
right? Like some people say, Dave
dragging on man. It's just.
Really, really going slow. It's like, no, it's going the
same speed. It goes every day.
So I know where you're coming from because I've argued that

(01:03:32):
for years. But Jesus, man, to me it just
feels like maybe we have way we're being inundated with
information we didn't have before, right?
It's possible. Used to end your day, you ate a
baked potato and a hamburger andsome French fries or whatever,
right? And then you watch the Evening
News and then you talk to your wife or your kids and then you

(01:03:53):
went to bed. Now you have emails and social
media and computers and podcastsand you know.
Oh yeah. Does that make time go faster?
Because your attention is alwaysbeing consumed by something,
right? Right.
Yeah, if something doesn't feel right, don't settle for it.

(01:04:18):
I agree with that one in Spain. Oh yeah, yeah, don't stay in
places that drain you. That's another one that I've
done, everybody's done, but. Somebody's done that.
Way too much. I know somebody right now who
has been lingering in the past for close to a decade just can't
let it go. It's that.

(01:04:39):
That's scary. Super sad don't.
Yeah, don't waste your time. Yeah, you get that.
Don't waste your time. And that's what irritates me
when we have guests that we're supposed to be on our shows.
We've had two now that that havecancelled the day.
It's going to happen, you know that.
And I and I understand that completely, but they're, they're

(01:04:59):
luckily you and I are professionals and we can just go
on the fly. But I will tell you and Chris's
defense, whatever, you know, he handles a lot of the booking and
all that kind of stuff. Whatever you guys are talking
about behind the scenes. Here's what I'm going to say as
his Co host and the person that asked him to do this in the 1st
place. If we had cancelled a gig at

(01:05:19):
some of the best places we ever played at right before we were
going to play at it, we would have never got asked back there
again because there were no other options right at that
level. So not that, you know, we don't
have millions of downloads, but we're in 18 countries and we
have enough listenership and youguys all kick ass and we

(01:05:41):
appreciate you listening and we're trying to bring you good
content. So to the people that bailed,
that's what you bailed on, you know?
Right. And that's one of the reasons
why we don't, we don't, we don'tdo our show live because we want
to be able to have those guests on and talk to them and edit the
clips and things like that. So then before they come on, one
of our new trends is I'm going to let people know, oh, this

(01:06:01):
such and such person starts, youknow, it's going to matter show,
you know, check it out because then you know who's coming on.
Yeah, but the actual podcast is live.
Oh yeah, we're live right now. Absolutely, yeah.
I'm just saying I don't edit theactual podcast very much.
No, we added, we added into shorts and we add a little bit,
a little bit of, you know, touchup here and there.
But everything else is, is what you see is what you get.

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We're real raw and we're relevant.
Yes, I take pride in that, man. This is just a conversation.
We're we're having a rap sessionhere or whatever happened, man,
whatever the cool kids call it. Now we're talking about the
cheese. We're talking about the cheese
and the and the and the queso, you know?
Chris is one of the cool cats. The cheese Mike's the cool cat.
I'm just along for the ride, people.
So eventually the only thing youwould regret is not doing more

(01:06:47):
of what you love. Get that.
The only thing you're going to regret is not doing more of what
you love. Which is why I try to have sex
with my wife every single day. That's how she.
Wants to or not? Stellar.
I was just getting ready to say that's a stellar mission.
That is not a stellar mission. It's, it's, it's, it's always a

(01:07:08):
stellar mission, man. You know, It's, you know, it's
like I'm a fight. I'm a hunting rabbit season.
I'm hunting rabbit. We're men, that's what we do.
We are men. Was that the last one?
Do we not pee standing up? That was.
That was the last. One, this is going to make you
laugh your ass off because if anything was ever made for Chris

(01:07:29):
Dunham, it's this right here. And I know you're going to adopt
this into your life, which is why I saved it.
OK, Right. On.
Right on. You can say have a nice day and
no one thinks twice, but you cannot say enjoy the next 24
hours and not sound like you're threatening someone.

(01:07:49):
Oh, I love that. I knew you would.
I totally saved that for. You.
That's brilliant, man. Because somewhere along the way,
you're going to work that into your life and you're going to
catch somebody by surprise. And I know you're going to go,
hey, enjoy the next 24 hours andyou're going to move on about
your day. And that motherfucker is going
to go. What did he just say?
Because I know you. I've.

(01:08:10):
Never heard anybody say that it was in a meme.
I like that man. Like I didn't say have a nice
day all you want and no one thinks twice, but you cannot say
enjoy the next 24 hours. Of your do you say of your life
or? Just Nope, you just say enjoy
the next 24 hours, OK? Enjoy the next 24 hours.
Wait, hold on, maybe it did say of your life.

(01:08:33):
Nope, that's it. Enjoy the next 24 hours and not
sound like you're threatening someone.
OK. Enjoy the next 24 hours, ladies
and gentlemen. Yeah, so, so totally off topic,
have you seen that that Jordan has signed with NBC Michael Ji?
Did not. So he's going to provide

(01:08:56):
commentary pre taped before or during and after select games
throughout the season. He's not going to be there from
when I'm when I gathered and reading what I read.
So these are pre taped. It'll be relevant to it'll be
relevant. OK, so like before the game
starts, whoever is there, wherever he's at, they're going
to have technology, they'll shoot a clip, whatever he's

(01:09:18):
going to do, 2-3 minutes break. Kind of like we're doing right
now, right? You can record anybody,
anywhere, at any time, for any reason.
Right. I'm just, you know, have to
shatter your bubbles, people. But every, everything, every
single late night television show is recorded in the
afternoon and aired later that day.
Sometimes. None of them are live.
None of them are live like when I was on iHeartRadio.

(01:09:38):
Remember that Seinfeld episode? What do you mean they record
Carson or whatever it was, it was?
Carson. It was Carson.
Was it Carson at the time? Yeah.
What do you mean? They record Carson at 11 AM?
It doesn't come on till 10 at night.
Right. Yeah, yeah, no.
When I when I was on radio, we recorded Tuesday morning at 10
AM. My show is aired Saturday and
Sunday mornings, so you know. We'll throw ourselves under the

(01:10:00):
bus. Ladies and gentlemen, it is
Tuesday evening at 418 Pacific Standard Time, 6:18 Central
Standard Time, and you won't seethis until probably a Sunday or
well, for surely a Sunday or a Wednesday.
Yeah. Because Who's Who drops What
drops tomorrow? Is that?
Is that OK? Yeah.

(01:10:21):
So tomorrow. Yeah.
So I I'll make a thing for that.But yeah.
So where was I going with that? I was going somewhere.
Squirrel. Squirrel.
You were talking about recordinga radio on on Tuesdays.
I know, but there was a reason II brought that up.
I don't know if I can remember now something.

(01:10:45):
About not being live. Oh, dude, there was I, I totally
wanted to. Oh yeah, the Jordan thing, The
Jordan thing. So yeah, there you go.
So from what I read from understand, he'll, he'll do his
little pregame, you know, and then he'll watch the first half
of the game right from his Learjet or his yacht or
whatever. Batman Bunker.
Right. And then he'll he'll have his

(01:11:07):
halftime breakdown, OK, whatever.
And then he'll wrap up the the game at the end.
It's not, it's not a continuous thing.
It's not like every night you'regoing to see Jordan or hear
Jordan. I think the ploy of it is, I
think, to get more people to tune into NBC slash Peacock,
wherever the games are going to be played.
Or, and just to care about the NBA in general at all because
their viewership is down drastic.

(01:11:29):
It's way down, it's way down. And part of the problem is
LeBron James. Like I don't care.
The fact that the game is boringas fuck it is.
Boring. They like if you look at I had a
debate with my friend Mark Montgomery, hey Mark, which I
want to get him on the show because he would be a great
conversation. Like he has to be.
It has to be a Friday. We could.
I swear to God to you, dude, if Mark comes on, we can talk for

(01:11:50):
four hours and it'll seem like it's 20 minutes.
Let it go the the dude I I keep,I welcome him.
He he is like you in in the factthat he's very well read or or
audio heard. Yeah, you know, I like to go
deep on shit. Right.
And, and, and so we had this little quick debate about I put
this thing up on my page yesterday on Facebook about

(01:12:11):
Jordan's coming in the NBNBCNBA and NBC.
And I'm and the meme that I found of the picture I found was
basically Jordan doesn't doesn'tpull punches like it is what it
is. He's friends with Barkley for a
reason. Right.
Barkley speaks his mind, too. Right, but they're not that good

(01:12:31):
of friends anymore. Because Barkley spoke his mind.
Almost According learned the lesson he needed to in life.
Right, right. At least according to the the
Jordan documentary on him. And then what I've heard Barkley
say. But yeah, Barkley will will RIP
anybody to shreds. Barkley has ripped LeBron to
shreds. He's going to be to shreds all

(01:12:51):
season long this season. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be
different when Jordan rips the NBA to shred, because if you
look at. I don't know if he will, though.
Is he going to be the political?I don't think so.
Politically correct. Jordan, I don't think so.
I, I don't, I don't. I mean, he has, he has a high
level respect for the game. I saw some stats where you know,

(01:13:13):
everybody he ever battled against in his career, the the
names, the the namesakes, right?They were all 7 or 8 out of 10,
meaning meaning you know, he battled the scoring champion,
you know, 7 out of 10 times, right?
So I mean just the competition that he had compared to what
LeBron has is night and day LeBron.

(01:13:36):
I don't think LeBron would last in this NBA because he would
just get his ass kicked. You know, it's embarrassing.
He's an embarrassing human from on on the court.
I I hear the stuff he does off the off the court and his
philanthropic work and and what he does for his community.
That's all great, but I couldn'tagree with him.
He's horrible for basketball. It's terrible.

(01:13:57):
It's I mean when you, when you flop to the point that your
teammates just walk over you, Yeah, dude, stop.
Just you're arguing that LeBron is good for the game.
You have to re evaluate what you're looking at, right?
You do. There's something wrong with
you, right? The only reason it's not good
for basketball. No, absolutely not absolutely
not. He's he's making it like I told

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Mark when we were talking about this, like if, if, if, if what
was LeBron? He he thinks LeBron is a great
athlete. He thinks Jordan's very
unapproachable. You know, he kind of.
LeBron is a great athlete, there's no denying that.
But would he, would he, would hesurvive in the 90s playing

(01:14:41):
basketball? Not that you had to drive the
lane almost every player to get there.
No, because he's hurt all the time and those guys played every
fucking game. And they hit they and so I was
watching. Do you see the?
Distinction. That's what Jordan and Barkley
keep saying. We didn't have a oh, he's
potentially injured fucking rule, right?

(01:15:02):
Right. No.
We didn't play, we didn't get paid.
That was the bottom line, right?They played every game.
They took prime and playing every game.
They have a There's things on, There's a thing on Netflix.
I think it is. It's Boston, the Boston versus
the Lakers, right? The the best team you love to
hate, something like that. I got halfway through the first

(01:15:23):
episode and swear to God watching just the first half of
the basketball, the assaults that occurred.
Oh yeah, that was a brutal game back then in the 90s.
Right. And and the coaches are on the
sideline screaming and holleringlike there's this one.
People were setting blind pics and shit and just laying people

(01:15:44):
out. Right.
It was, it's Lakers. It's all about the Lakers and
the Celtics and their dynasty and their battles and for
championship supremacy and stuff.
There's, I mean, there's when they're running away from the
basket, they score basket. And then and then I think Larry
Bird shoves Magic Johnson and Magic Johnson turns around.
There's no freaking whistle blown.
There's no stop play. That late 70s to mid 90s late

(01:16:07):
90s basketball was it just got more brutal all the time.
Which then they nerfed the worldright?
It got worse because they made stupid rules that made the game
less interesting to watch. It's a lot like watching soccer
now. If you if if you think Lebron's
the greatest basketball player ever, you're entitled to your
opinion. I, I challenge you to go on
YouTube and just pull up the 93 NBA season, not just the Bulls,

(01:16:32):
just the 93 NBA season and watcha handful of games.
And you know, one of Michael Jordan's greatest quotes.
What? He would have said if I cared
about statistics, I would have tried a lot harder, right?
I cared about winning ranks. Yep.
Like if I cared about those and his statistics in the short
amount of time that he played Blow Lebron's out of the water

(01:16:54):
night and day and twice on Sunday, as they say, right?
They just do. And here's a man who put up
those kind of numbers. Nobody's still ever been.
What is it the offense of a Defensive Player of the Year at
the? Same time and the MVP of the
season and the MVP of the playoffs, right?
He had all four one year. Like that's unheard of.

(01:17:15):
He watched LeBron on defense. LeBron stands there.
He doesn't go down the field. They don't court.
He just stands there. The superstars don't play
defense, which is one of the problems that I have with the
NBA. And you know, everybody asks me.
What do you want to call basketball, dude?
Because they still play the gamethe way it's supposed to be
played. There's an offense and a defense
and it's still a competition, right?

(01:17:37):
That's the word I'm looking for.There's still a competition.
What I see in the NBA is we're going to throw the ball from one
end to the other. We're going to shoot a three.
We're going to miss every now and then, somebody's going to
get an alley oop dunk. Then we're going to go back to
throwing it up and down the court.
There's no, you just hit the nail on the head.
There's no defense. No, I will.
I will say the one caveat because I've always liked the
three-point ball, right? Steph Curry is amazing.

(01:18:01):
I love watching Steph Curry. I went through there.
Steph like you've obviously you've seen some he.
Shoots the ball and you're like,there's no way that's going in.
And then when he's on a cold streak, it's like, what's wrong
with you? Like they're out of the playoffs
because he didn't play. I was like, why were they?
Why did they only win one out offive games?
Like, what's up? And then I googled it and he's
hurt. And that's how much I'm not into

(01:18:21):
the NBA anymore because I just, I, I Googled it every once in a
while, like NBA playoffs. Oh, the playoffs showing.
Oh. I try and watch, I just can't.
Yeah, no, it's, you know, it is what it is.
They've it's, you know, it's like Jordan said, you're being
paid on potential, not what you've done, right, Right.

(01:18:42):
There's an A, there's an, a quote, right.
There's an ASU football player that that is getting $15 million
to stay at, to play at a issue and, and some other team had
recruited him, wanted to give him 23 million.
He said no and people are kind of going back and forth with
that, which, OK, he's already, he's already, he's in college.
He's he's got $15 million. Like, why would you leave what

(01:19:03):
you comfort with to go make another 7 million in a different
city, different state. So, you know, Speaking of money,
do you see Brock? What Brock Purdy got paid?
No. 260 five, $265 million. Good for him. 180 million won
and guaranteed. Good for good for him, but.
You know how I feel about these subjects.

(01:19:24):
I do. I couldn't sign that fucking
thing fast enough. No but but.
I play one game and I'd be like,Oh, my neck.
Oh no, I do, believe me, I'd sign up too.
But the but the argument is and it's always the same argument.
It's OK. So he and I know people that
knew, like I have a friend I went to high school with that

(01:19:45):
ended up being a football coach.He actually coached him like,
you know, So we, we, we had a little debate on Facebook.
Do I think he's proven himself to be worth that much money?
No. No, that's my that's my point.
Like Eli Manning never restructured his contract,
right? Michael Jordan And then I'm not
saying Eli and Jordan are the same category, but Jordan never

(01:20:06):
restructured his contract. He played his original contract
till the day it expired, and then he.
And then he got $50 million a year for every year thereafter.
Squirrel moment on topic. Yeah, OK, Who just got their
last check for like $3.2 million?
That's being they quit playing baseball like in the 90s or some
shit. Oh, what's this?
Did you see that? Yeah.

(01:20:27):
I was blown away by that. He it was that was his agent man
every. Year Was it Ken Griffey Junior?
No, somebody else. They got like a last 3.2 million
dollar $3.6 million check. They've been paid for like 22
years after they stopped playing.
I thought that was great. Yeah, it was brilliant.
I forget I know it. I know it sounds up my tongue

(01:20:48):
but. I anyway, isn't that, that's
super smart, right? Yeah, totally.
And that's and that's the thing.It's it's it's.
Thumbs up. Jordan, again, I go back to
Jordan, because Jordan signed his rookie contract.
That was it. He never negotiated it.
He let that contract expire. Then he negotiated.
He got 50 million a year, which back then 50 million a year was,
you know, Brady renegotiated allthe time.

(01:21:10):
But Brady renegotiated his contract because he wanted to
have strong support players around him, which makes sense.
Eli Never. Did win in Super Bowls.
When Eli retired, which a lot ofpeople don't know this at the at
the time, Eli was the most, he was the highest played paid
football player in the history of the NFL from a contractual

(01:21:31):
standpoint because he never, he never negotiated.
He just he signed it and that's it showed up every day and
played. He missed one game because Ben
McAdoo benched him and but otherthan that, like, you know, so
that's my point. Brock Purdy, yes, he took them
to the playoffs. He took them into the Super
Bowl. But and it's a team sport, but

(01:21:53):
he hasn't he hasn't delivered and I he's, you know, super good
human. I mean, I know he's Arizona
ties. So I hear all kinds of, you
know, lovey dovey stories about him.
Yeah, and I'm not saying he's not.
Like. You said he's a great athlete,
but to command that kind of money with that shorter resume
is a huge. You're talking like you're going

(01:22:15):
all in on an opening roll in craps hoping somebody's going to
hit a 7 or 11, right? Right, right.
That's what I see. If I'm an owner, I would be
like, we're going to do what? Yeah.
I just hold. Whoa, whoa.
Like you. Know and stop the.
Train. And to his and right, and but to
brought it to to Brock's the Brock's I, I don't you know what

(01:22:36):
I mean. To Brock's credit, to Brock's
credit, you could have gone in and renegotiated his his rookie
contract. He was Mr. Relevant.
He made crap compared to everybody else.
Yeah, league and. He right, and he could have held
out like, you know, a lot of players do, but he didn't.
So which shows you the type of character he is as a human.
He had a contract. He honored it, you know, period.

(01:22:57):
Great for him, I just don't. Yeah, you know me, I'm never
denying denouncing someone's character because I don't know
the guy. I'm just saying with the small
bit that I see that he's done inthe face of the public in the
job that he's being paid to do. Right.
No, I I couldn't sit there in good conscience and give him
$181 million. No.

(01:23:20):
And that's guaranteed his total contract's 265, but it it it and
so like. I might give him 265 and say OK,
20 million of this is guaranteedand the others incentive based
and I would have some pretty good incentives, right?
Right. I mean, but go back.
Deshaun Watson. They paid him $260 million.
He's awash. Deshaun Cousins will never.
Yeah. Cousins.

(01:23:40):
Yeah, Kirk Cousins. He's the I think he's holds the
record for the highest pay, mostamount of money in the shortest
amount of time with no results. Right.
Good on football. Heck of a football player, you
know, but he never heck. Of a human being.
Right. Yeah, totally.
So Deshaun Watson, that's a waste of money because he's
never going to amount to anything.
Kyler Murray, waste of money. He's, I'm sorry, Arizona, he's

(01:24:02):
not taking you to the Super Bowl.
He's too. Small.
No, he's another bust. I couldn't agree with you more.
Total bust. Our guy's going to be a bust.
You watch. Who's your guy?
Caleb Williams. Oh yeah, Cale, Yeah.
Did he get paid? Paid.
I don't know yet you. I don't think he got paid paid
and he's still on his rookie contract.
I think that's the best thing. The best thing that could have
happened to Shadur Sanders was the fifth round, because now

(01:24:23):
he's got a chip and he picked #12 because he's coming after
Brady. Good.
Come after Brady, dude. Show us.
Show us, Show us that you're more than what everybody thought
you were because you handled your meetings and your
interviews. Show the world you were wrong.
We were wrong. Here's.
What Tom Brady's saying, I've been there, done that, right?
So yeah, sure. Come after all those.

(01:24:44):
Records. Yeah, I would be.
That would be fantastic. That would be that would be a
greatest story ever. Of course it would.
Was supposed to be here. Drop to here, chip on his
shoulder. I'm going to change the the
evolution of. Football goes out and breaks
every record, Dan, If I've ever seen, I would love to see that.
Right. Absolutely.
Because it'd be great for the game, right?

(01:25:04):
Exciting. But Willie, No.
No, I have my doubt. No, because because the Browns
have 5 quarterbacks. I saw that, I'm glad you brought
that up. I was sitting there having
coffee with my dad when the, theweek that he got drafted and
their little thing scrolls across the bottom of ESPN all
the time, right? And it listed the Browns

(01:25:26):
quarterbacks and it's like #1 #2#3 and it just kept going #4 I'm
like, Jesus, they got 5 quarterbacks.
And five quarterbacks. So two of them got to go.
You got to cut 2 of them becauseyou can't carry more than three.
Yeah, you get one for the practice squad and a backup.
Yeah, so two of them are so, youknow, and it can't be the I

(01:25:48):
mean, they they should just cut Deshaun Watson because he's
just, he's just, you know, you know.
You said it, he's a bust. He's a total bust.
He doesn't have it. He doesn't he, he just, he was
really good in Houston, but that's when he was really good,
right, You know? That's it.
He just, he peaked. Yeah, he did, which is sad

(01:26:08):
because, you know, but he made his millions and yeah, Oh yeah,
he made all his money and then some.
You know what else you want to talk about, Squirrel?
Hey, by the way, this is Chris and my show.
Follow us on Instagram, Facebookand YouTube.
Drop a review. We're working on a

(01:26:28):
chrisandmyshow.com website that should be pretty legit.
We do drop shorts twice a day onon YouTube.
So it's really important to to subscribe to YouTube because you
can see those shorts and they'rethey're from all different
shows. So it's not just something
you've seen. They may be something from the
past, something from the future that you have not seen yet.
So definitely subscribe to YouTube, you know, because why

(01:26:50):
not? And we're also on Spotify, Apple
podcast, where else, all platforms.
Any Yeah, pretty much anywhere you would listen to a podcast.
I can't think of one that we're not on.
And is that something that you did or does it just happen that
way? No, I did it.
It's called a RSS feed and it doesn't really matter, but it
stands for. I know what it is, yeah.

(01:27:12):
Real simple syndication. That's what it stands for.
So you put the RSS feed on different things then?
Well, when you when you home base yourself somewhere which
we're home based at Spotify, Spotify provides a service where
if you type in your link at Spotify to their special RSS
deal, they send it everywhere else.

(01:27:33):
So we're on Overcast, iHeartRadio, Amazon, Apple,
Spotify. Like I said, pretty much
anywhere you would listen to a podcast were there so.
You're going, you're going to have to show me that for the my
podcast, boys and girls, which is a moment with the real estate
guy. Every Tuesday I drop Oh yeah, we
do tangible information. Yes.

(01:27:57):
That was it. That's all I had.
That was my plan. And post those on our page and
post them on the Chris and Mike Show.
When we get that going, we'll set you up a section for your
real estate podcast for sure. Cool.
And maybe if I get really good at this, we'll take on some more
people for the Iron Dog Podcast Network and actually make it a
real podcast network. That would be fun.

(01:28:19):
It would be fun one step at a time, but might need Mark
Jeffrey's help. One step at a time, Buck.
Jeffrey hasn't hasn't left us a review yet.
I've been acting bugging him a cold time.
He's a busy guy. I'm sure he'll get to it.
I know, I know. You brought a tight ship,
brother. I bought a tight ship.
You see, I got Joe on there. I did.
Oh, yeah, I didn't. I didn't.

(01:28:40):
Good job. What about Jake?
Jake responded today. Jake has been taking finals, so
he has checked out of the universe for a couple weeks here
and I think he's reintegrating himself back to society.
So, all right. Good.
Yeah, Yeah. He's a college student.
Yeah, because because I anybody that like the one that was
supposed to be on the show today, I told him like the show
doesn't start without making sure you've done these three

(01:29:02):
things. And she did those three things.
She left us a review about excited to come on the show and
then, yeah, not on the show. So, you know, and, and I tell
everybody it's you know. I understand shit happens but.
I do too. You've booked.
Things up because we have a showto run here, right?
We can't just not have a guest all the time, so.

(01:29:23):
No. And if you're a life coach, you
should know what your life is about that day.
It's helpful. You know, so we do.
Surely keep track of better track of your husband please.
Yes, yes. He was in the hospital.
Poor soul, right? Anything else you want to talk
about? What do I have?

(01:29:44):
Oh, I'm going to leave you with one funny thought and this will
make you feel better when you run into people that just make
you go all. Right.
Well, you know, enjoy the next 24 hours, Mike.
I fucking love that. That was so right up our alley.
I'm like screenshot screenshot screenshot like 9 times so I
wouldn't lose it. This is a true fact.

(01:30:05):
This is from Look. Speaking of the devil, Nikki
just walked in. She's not the devil I'm talking
to. No, no.
But we were Speaking of you. Know you're talking to the
devil. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's the sexy devil. There you go.
We can. We can go with that.
This is from National Geographic.
OK. One in ten Americans still think
the Earth is flat. See.

(01:30:26):
OK, so little. Man, Mike said hi.
She just waved. Mike says hi.
So so when little man, I showed him this picture earlier this
week of there's there's no ice wall in the Antarctic.
OK, you know what I'm talking about.
Yes, I totally know what you're talking about.
So it's like 9000 meters tall. So the way the picture, right?
So the way the picture looks, you have the Earth, you have the

(01:30:46):
Antarctica, then you have this wall that comes around and then
it's black because it's obviously the dark side of the
wall. So it's black.
He's like the Earth is flat. Pop, pop.
No, it's not. So then I went so, so because we
were on YouTube, because he wants to be an astral, he's
still in that, that space mode. So we went on YouTube and I and
I, I, I googled Earth. I mean, he was messing with

(01:31:10):
because he's getting that sense of humor.
So then, yeah, I yeah, that's the Earth's round, dude, come
on. But the but the picture legit.
You could tell by looking at thepicture why somebody would think
it was flat. 100%. You know.
That's how that's how these people talk these people into
it. But like, dude, I got
photographic evidence. It's like, no, you have an
illusion. Yeah, it is an illusion.

(01:31:33):
Like what you got there, Plant? It's a, it's a plant.
She's she's cleaning out her classroom and she has plants in
her classroom. So I was at the end of the
school year. Yeah, so she's bringing plants
home. She's got this.
She's got a half a day tomorrow with kids and then the rest of
the week is just nonsense and full day tomorrow, half day
Thursday. Good for her.

(01:31:53):
There's the plants. You have an addition to your
office. There's more.
There's more. Plants.
Plants breathe life into America, into the souls.
A funny little fact here, boys and girls.
Jasmine. OK, the plant that Jasmine, it
actually cleans and purifies anddeodorizes your air.
So if you have And it helps you sleep better.
So if you want to sleep better at night, put a Jasmine plant in

(01:32:14):
your bedroom. I'm glad you said something
about that. I'm going to send you one other
thing that's going to blow your mind.
You don't have to. You can just read it because
it's kind of long. OK?
You're going to love this one too.
It has to do with what you just said, food.
About Jasmine plants or. No food secrets you need to know
it's food secrets, yes. So.

(01:32:37):
Here's one that blew my mind. OK, place mushrooms and sunlight
an hour before cooking. They absorb vitamin D like a
sponge. I didn't know that.
I didn't know that either. Interesting.
Do you use turmeric in in your diet?
Turmeric Every Every now and then we have turmeric.
It depends on if we're having casual Indian food for dinner,
which is very not. It does you no good if you don't

(01:32:58):
use it with black pepper. But we don't we'd.
Oh, really? So Curry.
Curry turmeric. Works 20 times better when eaten
with black pepper. Wow.
This is another one that everybody needs to hear.
Crushed garlic and let's sit for10 minutes before cooking.
This boost the disease fighting compound Allison.

(01:33:20):
Huh. I lost my mind on Allison Rd.
This blew my mind too. I always wondered if tomatoes
were still healthy when they're cooked.
Tomatoes are actually more healthy when they're cooked.
They release more Lycopen, a powerful antioxidant which is
good for your heart and your skin, makes your skin glow.

(01:33:42):
Chris Dunham. Makes your skin glow.
It's glowing. It's glowing right now because I
got the light right there. It's glowing.
OK, so your other one here pairing item iron with vitamin C
it boosts that boosts the iron absorption by combining it with
foods I. Found that kind of fascinating
too. It's a trip like I do lemon or

(01:34:03):
use lemon juice on greens. Talk to Peter Ho about this on
Friday. See, now we both got it.
OK, interesting man. Don't eat oatmeal plain.
No, because oatmeal plain is badfor you.
It's not too healthy, people think.
That's right this Friday, right?Peter Holt and Nate Palmer,
$1,000,000 body. I'm looking forward to this.
Like Nate's like, can I pick a fight?

(01:34:25):
Nate, can I pick a? No, a debate that's.
Why? I said I'm like, I'm like, I'm
like, you can't pick a fight, Nate.
We're not fighting, we're debating.
I'm like, I'm like, like Peter'sa health and Wellness coach.
You're a health and fitness coach.
I'm like, you know, because he saw Peter doing the doing the
drops. Nate apparently has issue with
drops, so we're going to find out.

(01:34:46):
That'll be fun. They can.
They can Duke it out in a healthy they're going to be
fine. I know, I know.
You and I agree to disagree all the time on this, that's why I
always ask you before I give youmy opinion.
Right. But you never have to ask.
You just have to give me your opinion.
I don't care. I don't.
I don't need to be. I don't.
I. Don't.
No, I don't want you to be swayed in any way.
And then then when we don't agree, I'm like, now here's why

(01:35:08):
I don't agree with you, but whatever.
I asked you earlier, which I could never remember now because
that was over an hour ago. Right.
We agreed wholeheartedly. Oh, it was on the shooting.
Right. Yeah.
That guy, the Alec Baldwin. Yeah, Yeah.
So another Margie story. Because she lived in Hollywood,
so she she she punched Tom Petty's daughter in the nose.

(01:35:34):
She's the one that authorized the biography, the movie.
I know. I know, and so Margie punched
her when they were kids. Billy Idol was riding down
Sunset Strip. I think I may or might correct,
but on his Harley and she screamed to the Topper lungs.
Oh my God, it's Billy Arnold to the fact that he squirked his
bike and turned back and looked and almost got in an accident.

(01:35:57):
So she, I mean, that's why, that's why we worked so well
when I did the radio show because it was the IT was the,
she was the Robin Quivers to my Howard Stern.
It just worked. But just, you know, because you
got to have somebody like my podcast I do was cool because
it's just me dropping hints and tips, but they're only like 2
minutes or less because I'm not going to sit here and.
I will tell you right now, thereis only one podcast this tells

(01:36:17):
you. So Chris couldn't have brought
up a better subject. There is only one podcast that I
can listen to. Or the guy does it by himself.
And Rogan would agree in spades too, and that's Bill Burr
because he is a fucking artist. That man can argue with himself
and have you laughing so hard that you got to hit pause.

(01:36:38):
It's like that. I just got I need a minute,
right? And then let him go on again.
He's just got the talent to be able to know how to keep a
conversation going by himself. Joe tried it a couple times by
himself and he finally admit it's weird.
Yeah. I think you've got to get over
the fact you're you just feel like you're talking to no one.

(01:36:59):
If you weren't here right now I would feel super weird.
Well, and that's why when I, when I because I've gone back
and forth forever about doing a podcast with a moment with the
real estate guy, because I've always had that kind of idea.
Sure. But a couple people have reached
out to locally, they're like, yeah, you know, maybe a show
here or there, but I'm not like,OK, so then I just find this
out, you know what, what if I just drop 2 minute segments and

(01:37:21):
I just focus on one, one thing and, and just shoot it.
And then it's just, it's, it's information.
That's legit information. It's real.
It ties to the real estate world.
And it just, you know, so I think it, I think it worked.
It wasn't, you know, I what I wanted to do, which bummed me
out. Like you can't get shorts out of

(01:37:43):
Riverside unless you go for. They have to be 5 minutes or
longer. Right, so I did my first one
like a minute and I was like I can't do a short.
I'm like OK, maybe I'll go 2 minutes.
I still can't do a short. I don't know what I would.
The only way I can do a 5 minuteshow is if I had.
I have a way for you to fix that.
Well, I was thinking. To talk about it off the air.
OK. I was thinking if I had like,
like, you know, 45 second to a minute knowledge bombs and just

(01:38:07):
record it on one thing and then there's my shorts.
You don't even have to do that. You can combine those things you
did together as one. Oh and then and then.
So I had to have 6 episodes as one and then pull shorts out of
it. Yeah.
So what you would do is you're going to put them all into one
file. Just make a new file, put them

(01:38:28):
all in there together as one long thing that you're never
going to use for anything other than to cut those shorts out of.
Oh. Right on.
OK, you have to show me that. Yeah, I learned it by accident
because you accidentally recorded two of our podcasts in
Wade Simmons Podcast and I couldn't find it, so I had to
reach out to customer service. I, I don't know how I did that,

(01:38:49):
but that explains why when I opened up Riverside, Wade
Simmons pops up. I'm like, why does he keep
popping up? So I need to go in.
So I need to go into Wade Simmons to get those shorts of
those other two episodes. No, I moved them into their own.
OK, I fixed it a long time. Ago, good job.
I'm the behind the scenes guys, ladies and gentlemen.
He's beside me, he's Hey, so again the.
Support knows who I am. He does, absolutely.

(01:39:13):
So this is the Chris and Mike show.
Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, drop a review, give us a follow
on all platforms. We always wrap up the shows like
this. Don't let the bad days win.
Somebody Loves You, somebody needs you.
Somebody will miss you tomorrow if you're not there to answer
your phone or text or open that door with your smiling face.
That's right, that's right. So there you go.

(01:39:34):
Anything else you want to add? That's it, that's it.
That's good. Good, good show, good show.
And you know, to our guest that wasn't here, sorry, you know,
I'll reach backed out to you maybe in August, see if there's
a spot for you, you know, because again, thanks, you know,
you know, they do happen, but bebe respectful of other people's
times and challenges because I could have had somebody else in

(01:39:56):
the spot agreed, you know, but it is always nice.
I think I'm going to reserve at least one Tuesday every month
just for you and I because I like just talking to you.
Do whatever you need to do. I like talking to you too, you
know that. That's why we started.
It is. It is absolutely, But it's fun.
Learning about other people, I think you're seeing that side of
it too, right? Yes, we've learned every,
everybody we've had on it, they've taught us something and

(01:40:18):
we've taken something away. And we and they.
For the people that wonder why Igravitated towards Rogan, that's
why, because what his podcast became was just that I learned
so much from like Graham Hancockand Mike Baker, who was a former
CIA agent and you know, all these MMA fighters who have done
great things other than MMA. Like just like I told Alicia

(01:40:41):
with Justin Ran, he went over tothe Congo and you know, these
people did great things. And I just, I love hearing those
stories. It's like reading a book without
having to read, right? Right, right.
You just sit there and listen tothem as orbit, which is fun.
I love it. So thank you for doing this with
me. I've meant to say that for a
long time. I love you brother.
This has been. Thank you for thank you for
having me, Mike. Thank you for having me.

(01:41:04):
It's it's a, it's a mutual acceptance.
It is. Absolutely love you too, man.
Love you everybody. We'll see you next time.
Absolutely, thanks for listening.
See you peace. Peace.

(01:41:40):
You will go behind your eyes. Take your moment.
Look until your tear. Fight your battle until your
bust wheel, fight your battle. Hold your baby till your tear.

(01:43:11):
Come down here, we haven't found
salty and sand from fighting. Wait for the dead.

(01:43:32):
Wait exposure out here for the wind.
You ain't no creature. We're playing Smound.
You quit on the almighty man. You got a dream.
Who in your life to keep up? So in every man, take the trip

(01:43:57):
behind your eyes. Feel the soul revolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:44:45):
You gotta. You gotta.
You gotta. You gotta.

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