#102 - Nate Palmer & Peter Ho - Living a Healthier Life - The Chris & Mike Show

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We'll talk about equipment at some point.
There you. Go nature, I can see that.
Yeah, I still owe Peter a copy of this.
I'll get it to you. Oh yeah.

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That's still always the best wayto start the show.
This is the Chris and Mike show on Chris.
He's Mike over there. We got Nate Palmer, the
$1,000,000 body. And then we have health and
Wellness coach Peter Ho. And it's a landmark occasion.
If you're not realizing this, boys and girls, number one, this
is our 100th episode and #2 it'sthe first time we've had two
guests on at the same time. Yeah, this is awesome.

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This is really cool, so I'm excited.
What? Did you mean when you said that
me and Peter had to fight beforethis episode?
Why did you say that? It was.
It was a royal. Rumble, you know, could you?
Get an instigator. You're, you're like you're like
you're, you're what did I, I explained this to Mike.
You're like the fitness. I don't want to say guru, 'cause
I put you in a box, but you're, you're like a very dialed in

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focus fitness guy, 'cause you from when you're on our show
before you've been there, done that.
You've failed so many times, butthose failures have led to
successful ventures and things like you.
You talked about writing books, but nobody wanted the book you
wrote, you know, so you have allthese stepping stones you've
come across to be the the $1,000,000 body trainer that you
are. And then we have, we have Peter
Ho, who's who's. I don't know how long you've

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been in the health and fitness, but it's kind of relatively new
thing, right? I've been, I've been in it for
five years. OK, so five years.
Gotcha. Gotcha.
But so it's just it's just one of those things that that when I
when I asked Nate, I said, hey, dude, is it OK if Peter Ho, the
health and illness coach, comes on the show?
He's like, yeah, can I pick a fight?
Peter, did he just lightly roastboth of us?

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Was he just like these? Yeah, like it was not like a
real underhanded compliment. Did you get that too?
What? Are you talking?
About that. You guys are awesome.
That's why you're here, man. And MM had technical
difficulties when Nate was on the first time.
So this is kind of cool, Nate, that now Mike can actually
engage in conversation and not just sit there and all of a
sudden go out, go out, go out with, you know, Internet.

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And just so people know, I'm in Arizona, Nate's in Arizona,
Mike's in Illinois and Peter Hose in Socal, right?
So that's that's the beautiful thing about.
That we have almost stretched the entire country.
We have, we have, we have. I see you stepping back there,
Nate. So go ahead.
We're going to talk about it, man.
So oh, oh, Peter. So we did the we did the we're

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still doing the, the no, the no bread, no bad starch, the
crackers, tortillas, chips. Ironically enough, this is going
to trip you out probably to Nate.
I talked to Mike about it. So I had the degenerating
vertebrae in my neck and I'm andand 990.
I don't know. Since I got off my boot, I've

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always been in pain like this, just constant dull, fuck you
pain. Since I stopped the bread and
the bad starch, the crackers andstuff, I legit haven't had no
pain at all. I've had a couple little
episodes where it was like it was tingling, but like a

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legitimate there's been no neck pain.
That's amazing, right? I'm not super surprised, but
honestly, that's incredible and I'm so excited for you.
Plus, I don't want to, I don't want to say this like up front
and like, you know, you know, inflate your ego.
But your arms are looking reallygood too.
So holy. Shit, I work out.
I work out, you know I. Can see it and then like you're

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just like I like I feel like in the last month or so, your arms
love looked a lot bigger becauseyou dropped fat.
A lot of people don't realize like you if you drop fat, you
actually guys will ask you like how what are you doing?
Did you gain some size? Because you just revealed the
muscle underneath, right? No, I just stopped.
Eating. Can you just stay flexing the
whole episode? That'd.
Be cool. So the other, the other thing we
did, the other thing we did was,was sugar.

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So so Nikki was always putting sugar in her tea.
Let's switch it up and so we could take our shirts off and a
flex off Nate, don't tell me what's a good time NATO beat me,
Nate score is fucking amazing. But we also stopped sugar.
So no, I wasn't somebody that put sugar in coffee.
I've always put put honey in my honey in my coffee, but I have

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put soy milk and things like that.
So I stopped that completely. So did Nikki and I stopped
having my Oreos every night. So, so since the Sunday after
you were on, we quartered you, Peter, we've done no bread and
no like bullshit sugar as far asadding sugar, you can't, you
know, sugars and shit, you eat right?
And we also tried to pay attention more to the whole food

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side of life. So instead of I stopped rice
too, by the way, which was really fucking hard, Replaced
that with quinoa and then any starches at dinner would have
been sweet potatoes or regular potatoes.
Stopped using all the oils. We got the avocado oil I
actually boiled This is pretty cool.
I boiled some potatoes, OK potatoes from the motherland.

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I boiled the potatoes, I sliced them up into wedges and then I
put them on, did the pan with the avocado oil and just crisp
them up like. A little home fry action.
Oh dude, you ever do those good?Roasted potatoes in the oven are
bomb. OK, we'll try those.
There was. That's so good.
Also, I got a hot take for you. Yeah, Quinoa's bullshit.
Hot take for you. Quinoa's bullshit.

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And Tupac's not even on the on the same level as big as
Notorious BIG. Hot takes, hot takes right off
the bat. I don't like quinoa because look
at this because you ate quinoa win last night.
I didn't eat it last night. We've just used it.
I we've eaten it. We've eaten it off and on for
the last couple weeks. Whenever, whenever I would make
my burritos for lunch. Right.
So I replace my tortillas with egg wraps, per Peter.

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Amazing. Fucking solid Peter.
It it's legit. There you go.
Put them in what brand you. Use.
That's solid. Yeah, I don't know what brand it
is, but I know it's it's it's just egg white basically in a
tortilla. So if you don't know that people
egg wrap, Mike's sitting here like, what the fuck do you guys
talking about? I eat burritos every day.
Oh yeah, wow, just like just drowning out the roast.
OK, I'm glad because Peter and Igot it early.

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Now Mike can get it, but here's here's what you look at quinoa.
You eat quinoa at night time. Tomorrow morning you see quinoa
in the toilet like it didn't digest.
That's got a hard shell on it. You know, it's like corn.
I'm not a huge fan of quinoa forthat reason.
Plus some people who have like the gastrointestinal, like a the

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like it where it can actually get caught up in your small
intestine, large intestine like yes, you.
Mean or yeah, irritable bowel orwhatever.
Yeah, it's something it's it's called, it's some.
There's a specific word. I'm I'm blanking on it right
now. But but I like rice.
I think rice is fine. Brown rice is fine, white rice
is fine. There's no difference between
the two really. And yeah, I feel like it's a

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very innocuous carb. What do you have to say about
that, Peter? Yeah, rebuttal, rebuttal.
It's. Still a bad car.
I mean, it depends on how, how it processes your body.
Because I feel like everyone's gastro test is it's different,
you know, and I feel like for for Chris, obviously it's
working for him if he's thinkingall bad starch and everything is
he feels really good about it. But I feel like everyone's body

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is very different when it comes to, you know, processing those
foods and digesting those foods.The other weird thing is I'm 55.
That is weird. Yeah.
Now thanks for acknowledging that we actually all got
together to talk about it. You.
Know you're welcome. I'm Chris, I'm 55.
I have a problem. So but the but what I'm what
I've noticed what I've he does like burritos.
What I've noticed is I don't I'mnot tired like like right.

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So so I legit I would nap. I would even if it was just 20
minute nap every day. I would just I would take 20
minute nap, sometimes 45 minute nap, no naps since since I did
the whole no starch, no bread, no bad.
And I'm and when I talked about before was just so people
understand bread Ritz's Triscuits and saltines were and

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tortillas were everyday diet. That was everyday.
I'd have the the tortilla for lunch.
I would have that medley of crackers for an afternoon snack.
I'd have what? You're just, you're just like
eating saltine crackers. I would, I would eat.
Yeah, I would just. That's unhinged behavior, bro.
You're eating saltine crackers. You just have like a gallon of

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water there. You're just punishing yourself.
What's going on? Are you OK?
I think twice if Nikki's hittingyou.
No, no peanut butter. I would just just, I would take
legit, I would take probably 3 or 4 of each of those crackers,
put them in a baggie. So then when I at the office
Monday, Wednesdays, that's part of my my snack.
You're like, oh, let me let me pick the four worst crackers and
demand. Right.

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But I didn't know. I didn't know they were bad.
Now I do. Now I'm kind of.
Fucking no. I'm saying they taste bad.
I'm saying they're, they're not.There's nothing redeeming about
them. Well, I don't know.
I. Like it's like, I just hate
having all this moisture in my mouth.
What can I do to get rid of that?
Well, your wife's. Got the water?
You know, you you, you know. Just go grab your wife man

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honey. Honey, honey spit in my mouth.
What? What are we talking about?
I was more referencing going downtown but OK but I'm bump.
Everyone has every gastrointestinal tract we
already established. Hey, a healthy sex life leads to

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a healthy life. Like it it it it it it.
It makes you live longer it lives, gives you less stress,
less anxiety. So I'm a big proponent and
having regular sex so that you guys that are not married down
here go out, find some hookers, get some natural blow, OK, not
the bad stuff, get the good. Stuff the organic the organic
blow only from Columbia and Peru.

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And have fun man, maybe. The health advice you didn't
know you needed Chris sex question.
Are you like off the cuff impromptu like like ROM com
style sex guy or are you like, hey, on Wednesday nights we have
sex like do you have it planned in?
We are very active in our 30 plus years together, probably

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three to five times a week. Once summer starts, it can end
up about four or five. So it just depends.
You know, there's, there's days where I'll just shoot her a
text. Hey, explain something and then
you know. Eggplant emoji, right?
Got it. Right.
So, so there's, there's, there'srandom, there's planned,
there's, you know, it's that's. Everything in between.

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It's the one, it's the, I don't know, this is all about you.
This is one of the things I think that makes the mayor
successful. Like you still, you still love
your spouse, but you're also still in love with your spouse
and you still find your spouse sexually attractive.
So you still have that connection.
And and people don't believe me when I say it, but it's.
Well said. Separate comforters, OK, I don't

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touch the laundry. And we make sure that we are
both satisfied when we're naked,meaning that you don't, you know
the stereotype. Oh, you know, the guy's 30
seconds later and the wife's sitting there holding her hands
like Peg and Bundy, right? Peg and Al Bundy, right?
Even though that in most of America, that's not my America.

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Like we, we make sure that you know.
All she's taken care of. My kids are, my kids are
knocking. She comes first.
That's right. She does, absolutely.
Yeah. OK, The woman has to come first.
All right, OK. So I've been married 14 years.
OK, I don't know about you. Congratulations.
I don't know about you, but I'm 3030 a 30 year, like a 30 year
marriage is incredible. Thank you SO.

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Congratulations on that. What tips would you have for us
besides besides five times a week of sex?
Which sounds well, again, it's it's separate comforters.
Separate comforters because. You're the only person I've ever
heard who say that. And I love, I love this.
I always. Do the same thing the first time
you said it. Yeah, separate comforters
number. One, we've been doing this for
years and it's amazing. Right, because then you have

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your own cocoon that you can because I don't, I don't like I
don't sleep with anything on. So when I have the comforter,
it's it's because I sleep hot. I'm a hot sleeper.
Prove it, Send pics right? Nikki Nikki's always cold.
So it works. It's always just working.
That's been that way. I mean, God, I can't even
remember us having one comforterever.

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Maybe the first couple weeks. And that's like, yeah, this
doesn't work. She does the laundry, so I do
the dishes. Like legit, that's kind of how
it's been. If if, if you know, whoever
makes dinner, the other person cleans up dinner.
But then I'll run the dishwasherwhen it's full night, empty
dishwasher when it's full because, you know, that's I do
all the outside landscape stuff.She doesn't, she kind of
maintains the everything inside except for my little space,

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which is here never go to bed angry, OK.
And then we just, we find thingsto do together.
Like once my first neck surgery was done at 14 and I was cleared
in 15, we started running. I started running with her.
And so we've kind of, I mean, weprobably did 6070 half marathons
since 2015. And that started with probably,

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I don't know, 40 or 55K10 KS and, and a couple 15 KS start in
the mix. So, and now we work out together
at EOS and, and you know, I'm training her and kind, you know
what I mean? So it's just you find, you find
common things to do together, but then you also have to have
your own space, right? You have to, you know, she does
her thing with her job. I do my thing with my job and so

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that we're not on top of each other all the time, but we truly
because we have no really outside family interference.
It's just us and our kids. And now, now Skyler's husband,
Michael and, and you know what Imean, it's just our little group
and, and we're just really tightand got each other's back and.
I think that right there, you know, is a key that a lot of

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people listening to this would say.
That's huge. Which part?
That got each other's back Because that's what's done to
me, yeah. No, the one before that.
They have no outside influence. They.
Oh yeah. They don't have any in laws like
breathing down their necks. And why are you doing this with
the kids? Why are you doing that with the
kids? You know we taught you better
than that. Yeah.

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Yeah, but I love also like we got each other's backs and I
feel like if you can create a family culture that's like we're
on the same team, we all are in it with each other, I think
that's amazing. And that's something that I'm
aspiring to. I have AI, have a like a 7 year
old and a four year old now. And I keep reinforcing like,
hey, this is the Palmer team, this is how Palmer's act, This
is what we do. That's good.
So. Yeah, yeah.

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And see, now that I have, I have, I've had little man, which
is my my oldest grandson, he just turned he was he's 5 1/2
just graduated preschool Wednesday, but I've had him
every day since he's 3 weeks old, like Monday through Friday.
And I still that's like our thing.
So that helps because then you have he's different with me than
he is with with Skyler, obviously, because I'm pop up

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and she's mom, right. But the discipline goes both
ways, which is kind of cool. So I'll put him in check and
I'll let her know I put him in check.
So she knows and he's at that age now.
He's kind of wrapping his head around and understanding it and
then he remembers things, which is kind of cool because you see
you processes it before he does something now.

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But it's cool, cool because it truly can take a village, you
know, to raise a child And and our village is just this tight
knit village, which is kind of cool.
It's cool. What about you?
What are your what are your, what do you feel is successful
to have have have, you know strong?
I mean 14 years is no is no laughing matter either in this
day and age. The biggest thing for me is

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communications and setting clearexpectations.
I think that like, so we got married in 2011 and 2012, we
moved to Seattle and we didn't know anyone there.
So all my family is here, all her family is here.
And I just felt like if we didn't leave, we were going to
end up like 10 years down the road being like, oh, we're
roommates because you go do yourthing with your family and your

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friends and your work. And I do my thing and like, and
then we kind of just ships in the night.
That's cool. So we literally like uprooted
our life, sold all of our stuff,quit our jobs and moved out to
Seattle without knowing anyone. And we had to really rely on
each other. And what I, what it kind of we
learned in that process was thatif we had like, if we did not
set clear expectations, I'm going to be home around this
time. This is my plans for Saturday.

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There's a lot of like disappointment and unmet
expectations, which is kind of like just like led to a little
bit of conflict. And so it, it really helped us
dial in our communication strategies and how we speak to
each other. That's cool.
And I feel like since then we have not really ever had a
fight. We talk things out, we may argue
a little bit, but like the, eventhe arguments are respectful and

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like trying to see each other's point of view because it's like
there's this level of trust built up that it's like, I know
this person is never going to bemalicious.
I know they always want what's best for me.
And, and for that reason, I can hear them out.
Whatever, even if they're what they're saying sounds crazy to
me. And I think that's, that's one
of my favorite things. And then I just love laughing
with my wife. We crack up.
We're always like laughing aboutsomething, laughing at our kids,

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laughing at whatever's going on.And I think that like, you know,
just being able to have those moments where we're just like
fully joyful, living in the moment together is like creates
a really strong foundation. Yeah, one thing you one thing
that stood out that you talked about right there was you are
your arguments. Believe it or not, Nikki and I
don't argue like since once I even when I was drinking, we

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never really argued. It came to a head towards the
last the last couple weeks of itand there was a blow up, which
was rare for us, which is what led me to stop.
So we do have discussions, but legit like Mike and I have
talked about this before where you'll see this perfect life on
Facebook and social media, right?
Like all this couple, Oh, everything's you know, you've
probably seen it too, Peter, like everybody's oh, look at our

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perfect life, you know, love, love, love, love, love.
And then they're then they're dark for like a week and then
all of a sudden, fuck you world like he's a piece of shit.
I can't believe. And it's all of a sudden this
spiraling downward, just chaos because everything they were,
they were portraying was just fake and, and fairy tale.
And that's just not life. Life is not fairy tale.

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It's it's struggles and it's, it's speed bumps.
And you know, not every day is planned, not every day is
smooth. You know, it's just there's so
many things. And I think so many couples let
that kind of beat them down. Thinking that it should be like
again, it's not that expectations it should be it's
Prince Charming and it's not therefore am I did I failed, I

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choose the wrong partner, not understanding that they have to
like actually work on their. Relationship People got to work.
Right. And get back to get like get,
get centered. Like, you know, those times when
you're like, we're on the different pages, we're just not
seeing eye to eye reconnect and like sometimes you got to eat a
shit sandwich to get there. You know what?
I mean, and I think the benefit for Nikki and I, we started out
so young. We were 20 and 25.

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We were, we were I met her on her 20th birthday and and we
both came from just fractured homes.
So we both really were just accustomed to kind of fending
for ourselves. And we were just opposite enough
that it worked and that, you know, that's the cool thing
about us. It just worked because of that
that found. And the name was Shotgun

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Wedding. So yeah, everything was stacked
against us for being successful.Like, there's no way.
And here we are 30 years later with only one glitch really,
which was when I when I stopped drinking, we kind of parted ways
for about 3 months because I couldn't be talked to his drunk
Chris. So it took her a while to
understand that OK, sober Chris is cool.
Sober Chris I can communicate with.
OK, then you know, life's going to go on as it was because of my

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change that I made and I stuck with it.
I mean as I just passed 20 yearsin February.
You're a monster. You're, you are like so
consistent, Chris. There's so many things that
you've said in your life that like, Dang, she's showing the,
he's showing the coins right now.
Yeah, So this is this is relations, this is thank you.
This is like this is what I gaveNikki after the first year.
So the top of it, it says a promise made.

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The bottom is a promise kept. And it has each, each, each
coin, the 24 months, I mean, the24 hours, the 30 days, the the
two months, three months, six months and a year.
I'm sorry, nine months because then I gave, I gave her this and
then she got the year coin. That's awesome.
Yeah. Thank you.
In the middle of it's just a serenity prayer that you say at

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a a so and that's kind of the basis of what Mike and I started
this thing, four of us just helping people recover and, you
know, just more life stuff. So, Peter and Mike, you've been
very quiet. You guys just stole the show
you. Know yeah, we all can't talk
over the top of each other. There's four of us.
Let's let's dive into the whole,you know, the whole supplement

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stuff, you know, and, and just the health and Wellness side of
life because Nate's got a reallygood take on stuff.
Obviously, Peter, you got a great take on stuff I've done.
And just to be fair, I did Nate's thing.
Nate's one of Nate's thing that stood out to me on the 1st show
he and I did because Mike had his difficulties was the
fasting. So Nikki and I did two weeks of
fasting this Sunday through Monday, which Peter, I, I, I

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alluded to that, 'cause we started that night and then, you
know, we did it to the followingnight and that worked great.
I, we both saw kind of results. The doing your thing with the,
the no bad starches and breads and things like that.
I've seen a little bit of of like Nate said, little leanness,
but down, down on that little, you know, the I don't really

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have fat, but you know the little.
What do you. It's not love handles.
I don't only have love handles. Pooch.
Yeah. Just a tiny little pooch that's
gone down from not eating bread and.
Sugars, right? That's always the hardest plane
to get rid of too, yeah. It's so difficult, so, so
difficult. And then not that it's not that
it's like it was ever boomed, but it's just, you know, you can
look down and say, oh, you know,I have a tattoo in a certain
spot. If I look down I can see it.

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Really. Let's see.
But on camera. The ratings went.
Through the ratings went throughthe roof we're.
Spiking in Taiwan right now it's.
We are. We are man.
So go ahead you 2 talk about your health and Wellness stuff.

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Peter, I'd love to hear a littlebit about like kind of your
take, your maybe your philosophyon fitness, nutrition, if you
had like any sort of like steps that you follow or things that
you put people through or what'sreally worked well for you, kind
of like where, where are you at?You know, I, I believe in taking
the right supplements. I feel like, you know, I said
supplement world is very, I would say the biggest scam in
the world just because we don't really know what's in it due to

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the fact of like, hey, there's, there's not that much studies on
each supplement. There's no, we don't know really
what's inside it, you know, and that's how I got into what I do
now is to help people balance hormones.
I focus on really hormone balancing and understanding
people's chemical functions in their body.
What I told cribs was like, I just help people get rid of the
bad starches, the bad sugars, and make sure that the body

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doesn't get inflamed and bloated.
So that's my take usually on thenutrition side of it and just
focus. Like I really don't exercise.
I'll be honest, Nate, I don't exercise.
I just drink my water, take my drops and lose weight and eat
right. That's what it is.
Talk, talk a little bit about like the the hormonal side of
things as it relates to starches.

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What do you notice? What's the what does the science
show us? Like why, why cut those out?
And what does that do for for usfrom a like a hormonal
perspective outside of even justweight loss?
Yeah, I mean in terms of you know, how it affects the the
hormones is actually it causes the hormones to be very
imbalanced especially when it comes to tiredness, lack of
sleep, hard time sleeping, having a break, good night's

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sleep. And also because of the
inflammation it has, it makes the body heart to more recover,
especially in throughout injuries that you may have.
I feel like the bad starches really affect the recovery rate
in in terms of that. When you say bad starches, I
don't like using bad and good a lot of a lot of times.

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Can you like, can you unpack that a little?
Bit yeah, so let me be up in terms of my bad starches.
It's processed food, processed starches, rice, noodles,
tortillas. Rice is processed.
I mean, it's barely processed. I feel like it's processed
enough where like you're not really getting the whole figure
of it in terms of the whole foodof it.

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That's just, that's just in my take.
Like I've noticed, like if I eatrice and noodles, like my body's
inflamed to like the Max and I look like an Oompa Loompa.
Or do you notice it in the mirror?
Yeah, I look in the mirror, I mean.
Even with rice, do you have a Doyou have a grass allergy?
I I don't actually, I don't havethe only allergies I have is
dust, but I've noticed that every time I eat like these
processed, you know, carbs or starches, but my face just gets

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bloated. See, I've noticed, I noticed
that with, with stopping starches and breads, all my
crackers and stuff that my the, the face kind of thinned out
right, Just not massively. But you can tell.
I can tell looking in the mirrorafter a week like oh go.
Ahead, that was one of the things we talked about the first
time that caught my ear when we were talking just breads and

(24:50):
starches and grains in general, as I've heard that over and over
and not just from Peter, I mean from people who have been in the
business forever, that that causes more inflammation than
any other thing you're putting in your body.
Right, which I which knew neither one of us knew that
like, and then I think that correlates to the neck pain

(25:10):
because it was inflaming along the, the, the, the, you know,
the one to five vertebrae where the, where the pain was
centered. And that's just it's.
I have a very similar injury to Chris.
So we, you know, we have that constant pain in in common and
whatever you can do to alleviatethat.
I mean, I, I admitted on that show I'm guilty of based

(25:32):
basically poisoning myself everyday, right, Because I listened
to hundreds of hours of these kind of talks.
I'm not into fitness like you guys are, but luckily I was
naturally gifted with not being able to gain weight.
I have the opposite problem, right?
If I don't continue to eat, I have a high metabolism, which is
the opposite of most people. So.

(25:55):
Yep. So going back to the starches,
though, I feel like I like to, Ilike to kind of break this down
in my head. I call it dehydrated starches
because again, like especially when I'm talking to my kids, I
don't want to say good foods, bad foods.
That makes, I don't like, I'll say sometimes foods and always
foods. It's like that's how I, the
language is with them. But for when I'm talking to
adults and clients, I talk aboutdehydrated starches.
That's your cereals, your granolas, your pastas, your

(26:15):
bagels, your breads, OK, some ofthose sorts of things.
I, I, I'm agree to disagree on the, on the rices though,
because I feel like that is a fairly unprocessed and like
anything you get in a bag is going to have some level of
processing. White rice is polished, but
there's not a lot going on with rice.
And then if you look at the difference between a brown rice
and a white rice from the brown rice, some people can argue this
more of the whole food than the white rice.

(26:37):
Like from a from a vitamin and mineral standpoint, they are
basically identical. That's a tiny bit.
I'm not giving up rice. I could give up bread and
bagels, I think I could do that,but I'm not.
I I like rice too much. I think that like a lot of times
with the when you see these likeinflammation and pain, a lot of
people will go gluten free and they're like, maybe I have a
gluten intolerance. That's what I celiacs.

(26:58):
That's what make you sure like maybe you have gluten tolerance.
But what, what they're, what we're seeing now a lot more is
that people are not necessarily seeing as like, oh, you don't
have a gluten intolerance, you have a, you are just getting too
much glyphosate. And what they're doing is
they're spraying glyphosate, which is in Roundup and, and
weed killer on the, on these plants, on these agriculture.
And so we're getting a lot of that in our foods in our waters.

(27:20):
Like even if you look at like within 2 miles of a golf course,
you have a. If you live within 2 miles of a
golf course, you have a 74% higher chance of getting
Parkinson's due to all the pesticides I.
Just saw that, Nate. Wow.
So like there's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff even
outside of like the specific like phytonutrients and
micronutrient breakdowns of specific foods that are that is

(27:41):
are playing into it. Well, here I'll, I'll reinforce
that point for it because I livein agriculture USA, right?
I'm surrounded by farmland. This particular plot of
farmland, I don't know how, if it's this county or just maybe
central Illinois in general, I think they have it down to this
county has the highest cancer rate of any other plot of land

(28:04):
in the United States. Oh sheesh, say that.
Again, actually no real estate agent.
What have they been? What have they been doing for
eons now? Spraying chemicals on right so
you're not eating. I agree with you.
You are not eating the same foods that our parents ate when
they were growing up. Right, because.

(28:25):
They weren't doing that. People were walking the beans,
they were detasseling corn. Now all that stuff is either
done with chemicals or by machines, right?
And, and here's something that stuck out when Nate was on the
show before. Oh, fuck, what was it was
really? Oh, fast food burgers.
You take a fast food burger, youcan chew it up and swallow it in
two bites, right? Yeah.

(28:47):
So last time Nikki and I made burgers at home, I made middle
note. How many bites is it going to
take me to chew this thing up? A swat?
It's probably 10 to 15. A lot, yes.
But that's so that's amazing. That to me was.
Like, I paid attention to that, too when I listened to that show
back, Nate. I was like, I'm going to because
occasionally I'll, you know, I have guilty pleasures too.
Maybe once, twice a month, probably not even that often,

(29:09):
I'll stop at Wendy's and get oneof those little hamburgers.
The Junior. One right, right, right, right,
right, right. Yeah, you can chew that.
You can chew that thing one time, can swallow it.
Now. The burger I make on the grill
is made out of steak burger, right?
You got to put some work into that and it tastes good, right?
And you what's crazy about that is that like, since we were born
to chew meat essentially, that'swhy we have canines and molars,

(29:31):
correct? Like our faces.
Our faces are going through a deevolution right now.
Since the 60s. Our faces are getting smaller,
more narrow. Our pallets are narrowing.
People are needing to pull more teeth because of the crowding in
there. Really.
Airways are getting blocked. Me.
Yeah, because we're not. They had to pull.
Eight of my SO, my wisdom teeth,plus four of my permanent teeth.

(29:52):
Four of my permanent teeth went before they could put my braces
on because my jaw was too small,right?
So like, well, a lot of that is just from us only eating soft
foods back in the day, you know,like if you're living.
In 100% I'm agreeing with you for sure.
Yeah. And like, they even say that
like the like, with the creationof fire and cooking our foods,
our faces narrowed and that we went from like a real square

(30:14):
Neanderthal face to like, more of like a really what we know
today. Yeah.
But now we see kids with just receding jaw lines, really small
faces, really no like, jaw at all.
You can see kind of like, it goes right next to chin.
Yeah. And it's just from never having
to chew anything. Wow.
So we need to start, we need to start injecting crunchy foods

(30:34):
into our kids diets like carrotsand celery, steaks, steak, real
burgers, not chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken,
chicken. So.
I want to hear Peter's rebuttal on the rice.
Rebuttal, Rebuttal Rebuttal. Peter.
Because we're not arguing here, We're having a, we're having a
friendly debate. Exactly.
These are two both really like we.

(30:56):
Educated people. Exactly who know what the hell
they're talking about. South, Nate.
Loves and I want to keep eating rice right.
I mean, Nate, it's right, you know, in terms of, you know, how
it all depends on how people process food, right?
Like how he said like, oh, some people go with it free.
So I would say it just depends on people's bodies.
Like, I'm OK, I for me myself, Ican't process rice as I, I
should be, but hey, that's what it is for me.

(31:19):
But a lot of people, they don't even know they have gluten
allergies until they eat the food.
Then let me ask you this. Let's go ahead.
So 1 camp says only white rice, the other camp says only brown
rice. What is the benefit of one
versus the other in your guys's opinion?
Got to pull the sleeves. That's my question I guess.

(31:40):
Pull the sleeves that make Show the guns man.
Come on, show the guns. There you go.
This is this is body built by Rice.
So, so I've had, I've trained like probably touching like 1500
clients now, like in person online.
And I've had two people who had had a rice or a like a grass
allergy and couldn't eat it could their bodies couldn't.
Process. That's understandable.

(32:01):
I'm allergic to dairy, right? I can't have any dairy, I know.
But but in terms of white rice versus brown rice, yes, there's
really no difference. Like if you pull up like a
nutrition facts that actually looks at the vitamins, the
minerals and the phytonutrients,all the things and there's just
it's so minuscule what the actual difference is across the
board. And I think this is one of the

(32:22):
things that like I, I hate the missing the forest for the trees
mentality and fitness where people are like, how many
minutes should I cold plunge? I'm like, bitch, you don't walk
like you haven't had a glass of water today.
Like you don't need to cold plunge.
So they're like, should I have brown rice or white rice?
I'm like, just have rice and stop eating.
Stop eating French fries. Like can we start with French

(32:43):
fries and then like then move torice?
Like don't stress too much aboutthese little little ass things
that are not actually making a big difference in the grand.
OK, then let me ask Peter one one question on that subject.
Would you not agree that in Nateand Chris's case that they could
probably eat all the rice they want because they're exercise
freaks, right? It's probably not going to hurt

(33:04):
them where you and I are maybe alittle more sedentary.
I walk a lot. I do probably average 5 miles a
day walking. So that's another reason I don't
gain a lot of weight. But I'm thinking that if you're
a fitness freak, you probably rice isn't going to hurt you,
right? As much as bread and bagels and
cereal and, you know, bad, right?

(33:30):
I mean, you're exercising, you're going to burn all that
calorie off really quick, especially if you're, do you eat
rice at night or do you just eatrice towards the morning before
a certain time. So I do what I call energy first
fat loss or like a low carb backloading.
So I essentially put all of my carbohydrates around my workouts
and then the PM. And so I do that in order to as

(33:50):
like, like, you know, even if Mike is going on five mile walks
per day, you know, Chris and I are working out or whatever,
We're burning through our muscleglycogen, right?
So our muscles can hold about 11grams of glycogen per pound.
Our liver holds about 110 grams of glycogen in total.
Glycogen is blood sugar or energy and it fuels our muscles.
So if you go through that your day and you burn through that,
then you go have a big pile of rice, potatoes, whatever it is,

(34:12):
even if it's bread. And it's like, you know, not
like filled with chemicals that is going to break down into
glucose or blood sugar and it isgoing to go into your muscle
tissue. So the more muscle tissue, the
more tacos you can eat. This is This is.
That mic hear that mic? The more muscle tissue, the more
tacos you can eat, brother. So if you kind of like if you
kind of use your body's natural biochemistry, like where you

(34:33):
like you realize you're burning through glycogen and then you're
able to replace the glycogen, your body's never going to be
actively looking to store fat. You are training it to store
that those calories and that energy as fuel for later.
And so the more of the exercise you're doing, the more the push
ups you're doing, even if you'redoing 10 squats every hour that
you're that you're working or sitting at a desk doing them
down to a couple push ups, that is going to compound over time.

(34:55):
And like I know you guys said, you're, you guys are not really
into exercise. I would love to see you crush a
little bit of exercise and startbuilding that up even to 5
minutes a day. Like it just pays off massive
dividends. Like a four O 1K, right?
You could start that when you'rewhen you're 60, but you don't
have to put in thousands of dollars, hundreds of hours.
Or you could start right now andreally just put in like 100

(35:15):
bucks a month and still see somereally good returns over time.
See, now I told Jake that when he was in 8th grade, 7th, 8th
grade, he wanted to play football.
I told him you need to do 100 push ups, 100 sit ups every day,
right? Not consecutively because he
doesn't. He wasn't there strength wise.
But I said, and I used to call it 100 and 100.
So at night, did you do 100? So and he never grasped that
concept. So by the time he got the high

(35:36):
school and he was playing football and he he played all
four years at Basha that he was a great athlete, but he was
never a starter. And part of it was he wasn't as
bulky as the other kids. So Fast forward out of high
school. The whole soprano scenario.
Right, Fast forward to high. School had the makings of a
varsity athlete. Right.
But now he's in the Marines and he's like, and he's told me a

(35:57):
few times like, you know, I really should have listened to
you, Dad, because because it wasthe thing.
It's like, there's nothing you can't accomplish with your own
body because it's your own body.It's the one body you have.
This is it. There's nothing else, which is
why it frustrates me when I see people that are so I'm not
saying this be mean, but just sooverwhelmingly obese and out of

(36:18):
shape and unhealthy. Like you have one life.
You cannot be comfortable 100 lbs overweight.
You just can't. You can't be happy with
yourself. I think we all agree with.
That right so I just I and but Ithink the reason why our world
is gone that way 'cause I think you both will agree Peter and
Nate, we are the most obese country in the world we are and

(36:38):
it's because of the shit that people eat yeah yeah I.
I honestly want to hear Peter. I want to hear your take.
Why are we in the US right now? So unhealthy.
Give me like, like, what are your what are your main reasons?
What do you what do you see? Yeah, I think everything is just
too convenient. I feel like, I feel like you can
go to one spot. I'll be honest, like right down
the street from me, we have a Subway, Chipotle, Taco Bell,

(36:59):
Carl's Junior, Del Taco, McDonald's, jack-in-the-box.
Like how convenient is that? Just go like a minute away and
just go through the drive through.
And I mean, we're taught to be lazy.
I'm, I'm, I'm sorry to say this,but we're taught and it's true
to be lazy as heck. We don't, we don't, we don't go
to the grocery store, we don't shop.
We we're not discipline to ourselves and I.
Think that's reason why for the most part, people don't menu

(37:21):
plan. We menu plan.
We figure out what we're going to do for the week.
Nate does it to you meal prep. There's a time where when when
Nikki is full blown in the school we you like like school
just in and but we'll make she'll make her five meals
Sunday for her lunches and but that's the thing.
Its failure to plan is why America's fat.
Do you like that? I mean, no, I'm, I'm, I, I think

(37:43):
Peter's right, though. I don't think it's necessarily
failure to plan. There's probably a component of
that in there. But, and I don't think it's
necessarily that we, we eat poorly, although that is a,
that's a big piece of it. Sure.
I think it's literally the convenience aspect, right?
And how comfortable we've gotten.
And I think that like our culture is set up for us to get
more and more comfortable. You guys ever seen Wall-e?
Yes dude, we are still in Wally right now.

(38:05):
We're not yet, we're not yet. We're getting there soon,
especially as AI creeps up more and more and takes more people's
jobs and we're starting to go tothe universal basic income and
there's going to be like VR worlds and people are just going
to be like living in their things.
Yep. Selling bits of their like their
mental screen to Albertsons to advertise on there because
everything is so convenient. Like Peter, you mentioned you
got 5 things a minute away. Why even walk them in it away

(38:27):
when you have DoorDash bring it to your house, right?
You know, you can sit on the siton your couch and watch Netflix
movies on man, listen to any music that you want in the
history of the world, have food delivered to your doorstep.
We are being gradually conditioned to be lazier and
lazier because, like, people want to pay for that.
Even crazier than that. Even crazier than that, Nate,
those same people that are sitting on their couch eating

(38:47):
that hamburger will be for saving the animals, right?
They're sitting there watching adocumentary on saving.
Not for saving themselves though.
No, no. While they're eating a
hamburger. That's what fascinates me.
It's like, do you not see the disconnect, people?
No, people don't get it. It's it's crazy.
And, and to, to Peter's point, when you drive by those places,

(39:09):
there's always a line, right? There's always like 1015 cars
deep. Yeah.
Did you see the thing about In-n-out Burger coming out this
week, last week saying they're taking away, taking away the
artificial ingredients on their menu.
Wow. Right.
In-n-out Burger, like they've, they've, they've stepped up and
said, hey, just so you know, we're removing some of the

(39:29):
artificial ingredients in our foods, really.
Who does that? Yeah.
Who? Well, number one, they admitted
it and then #2 we're going to remove it.
And then they, they just droppedthe menu I saw yesterday
scrolling they have it's basically approaching like like
like a post workout type thing. Like if you if, and it wasn't
bad, like I read it, it was pretty, it was like, wow, that's

(39:51):
cool. So like you'd have a burger and
had, you know, 316 calories, butit had 45 grams of protein.
And, and, and they broke it downto the what was in the burger.
That helps you because you, Nate, you do stuff on your
Instagram page that you will go to a drive through and you know
how to eat healthy at a drive through.
So all these restaurants that Peter just talked about, you
know, the little nuances to order to where you're not eating

(40:12):
shit, you're eating something that's actually healthy and good
for you. It's it's I would say it's not
good for you, but it's like the the the best, the least evil.
Yeah, right. We all end up in a drive through
occasionally. You know, we're like Mike said,
you're at Wendy's. I just did a Wendy's one.
I got to edit it up and put it on social media.
But I think, Peter, to your point, it's the epidemic is
comfort. It's not it's not food, it's not

(40:33):
lack of exercise. It's not sunscreens, not seed
oils. It's, it's we're addicted to
comfort. We're addicted to our cell
phones, we're addicted to quick dopamine hits.
And that is what's going to killus slowly, like a frog boiling
in water. And by the time it's too late,
which I think it's already too late, we're going to look up and
be like, wow, that's not what wewanted for 20/20/25.
That was that little segment youguys just did that was

(40:54):
outstanding. Absolutely.
Thanks. Have us back on him.
And I, I would agree with Nate, Peter, I know that you're
younger than the rest of us. Don't ever apologize for telling
people that they're not going toget healthy unless they do XY
and Z. We're not going to change unless
people listen to hard facts, right?
RIP it off like a Band-Aid. Dude don't have a filter,
especially on our show. RIP it off the filter.

(41:15):
Date, you don't need to say heckno.
What I mean no. I had a conversation with a
client the other day and like hewas, he was basically, we've
been going back and forth for a while.
He's been trying to do like the minimal effective dose of like
drinking water, getting walks in, really just like the bare
minimum. Sure.
And he's like, am I ever going to be successful?
He's just like real raw, like not getting results, kind of
depressed. Am I ever going to be

(41:36):
successful? And I said, no, you will never
be successful. Good.
And I and, and he was like, whatdo you mean by that?
And I was like, the, the day I know you're going to be
successful is the day you come back to me and you say, hey, I
know I said I was going to commit to doing 20 minute walks
for five days. I did 45 minute walks every day.
The day I know you're going to be successful is the day you

(41:56):
say, hey, I'm meal prep for thisweek even though you didn't ask
me to. Hey, I went to the gym and I
knocked out 100 push ups even though you didn't ask me to.
And that's how I know you'll be successful.
And until you say those words tome, you will never be
successful. Because your current question
is, hey, I know I didn't do my walk today, but I did do some
gardening. Does that count?
You're only screwing yourself. Yeah, exactly.

(42:18):
I have a friend that that's going through a journey and he
kind of unfortunately for him, he he told me he was trying to
lose weight. Don't say that you don't mean.
It well, because I'm that accountability guy, like if you
bring me into that world and I did, I let him up.
I kept letting him up. I kept checking in on him.
I still do. And my thing, because I learned
from you, Nate was OK, we're going to call him.

(42:40):
We're going to call him Bob. So I, I told Bob, you need to
walk an hour a day. I said 30 minutes in the
afternoon, 30 minutes in the evening.
Grab your wife and kids, go makethem walk with you in the
evening. So you're all doing it together.
He asked about food. I said, well, I've, I've watched
him eat and so I know how much he piles on.
I was like, OK, maybe scale thatback, you know, eat healthier

(43:01):
portions. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what you eat per SE, but it matters how much
of that you eat. So you could sit there and eat.
I could eat 5 steaks, right? Or I could eat 5 Sonic
cheeseburgers. That's not, that's not healthy
eating that kind of amount of shit, right.
But if I had one steak and, and a good carb and then a good
vegetable and you know what I mean, That's, that's a
well-rounded healthy meal to have.

(43:22):
So he wasn't doing that. Bob would pile his plate up and
I've continued to poke at him, poke at him, poke at him.
He he downloaded the MyFitnessPal app.
I told him to track everything and I followed up with that.
Why I didn't track it and fucking track it, dude.
It's not that difficult. You wake up in the morning, you
know, he's eating oatmeal for breakfast every day.
OK, Well that lowered his cholesterol level, which is
doctor told him, so that's good.So he's baby step and stuff.

(43:42):
But to your point, next time he I talk to him, Nate, I'm going
to kind of bring it up in that aspect like.
Well, you did not change your habits.
Right. Thank you.
Yes. It's everything that's with the
bread and the starch thing we talked about, Peter, In my
mindset, if it works, I'm not going back.
So I'm hesitant to go back to rice because my neck hasn't
hurt, even though Nate's saying rice isn't a big deal.

(44:05):
Quinoa doesn't really digest, blah, blah, blah.
And I can totally get that. I've never had a problem with
with that part of my body. I freely go 3, three to five
times a day. It's been good, you know, so
like Chris's poop information, sex information, I just, you
know, it's good. But that's, but it's a healthy
thing though, right? It's, it's, it's my body.
I treat my body. I honestly don't know if pooping

(44:27):
five times a day is healthy. I would have to chat to PT that
that sounds successive. I don't know if it's that.
Also, how do you have a time like?
That's why you're posting so much.
Get it now. Every now and then he just right
now and then he just likes to let people know that you know,
it's. Probably more like a Was that
like a weird poop flex? Like I poop a lot more than you?
That's I, I. Just as a little this this is

(44:50):
funny a little bit. I don't take my phone into the
bathroom because I think that's disgusting when I go in a public
restroom, OK, check this out when I this is I want you all to
do this when I go, when I go into a public restroom, OK, And
I walk in and I hear somebody onthe phone in the stall.
OK, And I'm the only one in there besides them.
I'll, I'll do my, my urination in the in the urinal, right?

(45:11):
I'll wash my hands and then they're still talking.
I'll lean back and just wear that light switches and shut the
door. They cannot say anything because
if they do, the person they're talking to is going to know They
took them in the bathroom. Not only in the bathroom, but
into the closed door part of thebathroom, sat down as having a
conversation the entire time. That's diabolical, I.

(45:34):
Love it is diabolical and it's hilarious.
And then you got to you got to hurry your way out just to make
sure that nobody sees that you. Left and it's hilarious.
I've done it about two or three times and only one time someone
was like, so don't take your phone to the bathroom, boys and
girls, and don't go to a public restroom if I'm on on the on
the, the premises, because if you do, that's what's going to

(45:56):
happen to you. That's my, that's my key take
away from this episode, Yeah. Turn off the light in the
bathroom. He knows.
He knows he's in the minority, right?
Yeah, no, that's the prime scrolling time.
I've got 2 little kids. Every mother in the world's
like, that's my only private diamond.
Yeah, this is me time. You know, I just, I, I was on AI

(46:17):
had to do traffic survival school not too long ago when the
instructor was talking about, you know, it was a Zoom call.
And this apparently this guy, this, this person who was on the
class first hour for 30 minutes before the 1st break.
He was apparently he was in the bathroom on his phone on the
Zoom. And when he got up right, the
phone fell and she's like, and the instructions like I was

(46:39):
scarred for about 3 or 4 months because I saw everything,
everything because he was on hisphone.
He stood up and he dropped it. So I'm thinking the vantage
point was not very attractive atall.
And he may have been making surethe backside was clean.
She didn't go into details, but you know, scarred for life.
Zooming in the bathroom. That's.

(47:01):
Yeah, that's over, right? Wow, with 19 other people in the
class, aren't you? We deserve anything that's
coming to us at that point. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. I'll agree with you there.
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want to talk about today? We got, and by the way, it's

(48:05):
it's about 9:50. So we got about 20 minutes left
because Nate's got a hard stop at 10 after.
So we don't want to jeopardize his time and his other
commitments. What else do you have to pick?
Peter's brain or Peter? What do you want to pick Nate's
brain about? Vice versa I guess.
In terms of exercising, what, what do you recommend for people
per week? I mean, I, I hit the gym now,

(48:25):
but I'm just saying like in the in the beginning standpoint
because I tell this to beginnerstoo.
But what, what would you say as a beginner?
How many, how many times a week should they at least hit the gym
or go for their walk? I mean I feel like walking
should be a everyday thing, but let's say hit the gym.
So I have like I've like my program is teared out into like
6 steps. The first one is get off sugar.
That's why we have that five daysugar detox.

(48:46):
Get that at the free sugar detox.com.
If you want to grab it for free,free sugar detox.com, you said
the free sugar detox.com, you can just, you can just download
it. So then after you get like kind
of break a diction with sugar, you do a fast, you kind of reset
your body, your body's natural set point of like fullness.
Then I have the get moving stageand the get moving stage is
really just about creating that sacred time to exercise, to

(49:06):
train. And that's walking.
And I think if you can walk for like 40 minutes to 60 minutes
every single day, you're going to be in a good spot.
You're going to be able to lose weight like that.
You don't even need to hit the gym to do that.
And then I got then it's get fueled, get clear, then get
strong or something like that. And then this, do this.
That's like stage 4 or 5 is where I start introducing people

(49:28):
to lifting. And I think that minimum you
should be doing 2 days per week.I think everyone could do 2
days, 2 full body days, 45 minutes in and out the door.
Staying super efficient with your time and your exercises.
Make sure they're programmed appropriately so you're not like
over deloading your load back ortrying to do anything too crazy.
I think that's perfect for a lotof people.
And then I think, I think if youwant to really improve your
results three to four days per week.

(49:50):
And I actually try to get guys off of this six day per week
body part split that a lot of them are doing.
And what I notice is that when Itake guys who are training 5 or
6 days per week down to three orfour days per week, they get
better results because they didn't even realize that they
were over training for their amount of recovery they were
able to do. So that's what I was doing with
Orange Theory. 88 workouts a week three of which or six of

(50:11):
which were back-to-back and I out shaped Orange Theory and I
really I I stopped seeing gains so now that I don't do
understand I'm more focused on weight training and not so much
the the running and shit there'syou you saw it today Nate just.
I'm still seeing it every time you raise your arms, I see it.
But I think 2 to 4 times per week is perfect.

(50:33):
I, I think if you hate the gym, you still have to go.
I think still going and trainingand building muscle because
muscle is one of those metabolically healthy tissues
that is going to help us age appropriately, keep us from
breaking our hips. I got a friend who just turned
40. She's she's super sedentary.
And she she just said I turned 40.
My body imploded. She like broke her ankle,
tweezed her other knee, like hershoulder.

(50:53):
She had a frozen shoulder. And I was like, like, I love
you, but like, what do you expect?
Yeah. You haven't moved in two
decades. Like, what did you think was
going to happen? Right.
So like now I like, I have people going to the gym and like
just even doing little things like step UPS or hip thrusts or
pull downs and stuff like that. You're not just building muscle.
And I think everyone has this idea of like, oh, I'm going to
get build all this muscle we're.Going to look like Chris.

(51:16):
Yeah, you're not going to, like,you're not going to drive your
car around town and be like, oh,Jeff Gordon, suddenly I'm too
good at driving. No, like that doesn't happen,
right. So like, but you're building
strength and like the ligaments,the tendons, the joints, you're
bulletproofing your body. So when you go hiking about one
time per year and you roll your ankle on the trail, it doesn't
completely derail you because you've been doing step UPS,

(51:37):
You've done things that have made you harder to kill.
And I think there's a lot to be said for being harder to kill
then there is like that, having like a super ripped 6 pack and
being like all oily and standingon on the stage.
Yeah. Although being oily is kind of
nice, so. So here's another thing I want
to, I want to touch on because from a male standpoint, guys

(51:59):
want ABS guys. Guys want to be able to look in
the mirrors and see their six pack, their eight pack, whatever
it is, right? I can hold a 9 1/2 minute plank
like we've talked about that. And if I took my shirt off, I'm
not, I don't, I don't have the, you can't see my core RIP,
right? And so Nikki, and I've talked
about it to where, and I think you both alluded to this at some

(52:20):
point, some we had you in our show building your core and
flattening your core and things like that.
That's all about movement. It's not necessarily doing like
I can do 500 core exercises and not be out of breath, but that's
not necessarily making the visual of my core there.
I have an amazing core strength,right?
Because I couldn't hold a plank that long if I didn't.
But from a visual aspect, it's more about constantly moving and

(52:42):
obviously part of what the diet is.
I can see Nate's brain swimming,right?
So it's part of what the intake is, correct?
Yes. Yes.
They say ABS are built in the kitchen.
That's not true. ABS are built in.
ABS are built with exercise and revealed in the kitchen.
Right. Yeah.
So you can lose all the fat. But if you can hold a 9 minute
plank, it doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna have a six
pack. Your core is made-up of a bunch
of different muscles, right? Sure.
So your core, when you're training up your plank position,

(53:03):
that's like a pillar position. Your farmer's care, you're doing
a plank. You're doing a plank.
You're doing your training. Your, what's called your, your
transverse abdominis and your transverse is this muscle that
wraps around your waist like a girdle.
It is super important for keeping your low back healthy,
making sure that you can transfer power from the ground
to up like your upper body. So it's great for football
players. You have to have this Pilates is
great for training this really not a lot of Pilates instructors

(53:25):
have 6 packs, no. And the reason for that because
they're like, we have the transverse, right?
We have the internal external obliques, we have the spinal
erectors and then we have what'scalled the rectus abdominis.
That's your six pack. Those are the front muscles and
an and an order to build a six pack, you need to train your
rectus abdominis like they're your biceps.
So these 50 Rep crunches, these nine minute planks, they're not

(53:47):
going to build thick chunky muscles.
Right. Like you see, like a guy like
like Thor, like Thor the mountain, Thor Bronson.
Yeah, and you see like some likeEddie Hall, some of these guys
who are 300 plus pounds and havelike a crazy 6 pack, it's
because their core muscles are so developed and chunky that
even at 22% body fat, you can still see them through the

(54:08):
musculature. So there's three exercises that
I always recommend people train if they want to build a visible
6 pack. AB wheel roll outs.
Toast balls, yeah, those becauseI don't do crunches and shit
because I've always fucked with my neck.
So my other I don't dare. But the AB rollouts, those are,
those are, those are fucking legit right there.
And you know they're legit because Rocky did them.
Yeah, and when they're harder than people think.

(54:30):
Well, yeah, they're hard if you do them right, but a lot of
people do them wrong at them in their low backs.
So I will roll outs, toast a bar, hang out like a hanging,
hanging leg, raise and then a rope abdominal crunch.
Like the crunch, what you do with the rope and the weight.
So where's the? Where's the?
Oh, so you're on the lat machineor?
Yeah. Like a cable pull down.
OK, OK. And so now you're doing 10 to 12
reps with something, or you're actually squeezing your abs and

(54:53):
you'll start to build that big blocky.
Like blocky 6 pack look so just so I understand so the the
machine where you put the the the rope and you got the handles
like this like it's like AV, right?
And you can, you can do the do them for the traps.
And that's the rope I use the. Rope.
And I kind of put it here and I squeeze my forehead with my hand
with my heads like this. That way everything is coming
from my, my, my core. So I arch up a little bit, get a

(55:14):
little stretch in the ABS, and then I draw my sternum to my
pelvis, OK, Because everybody wants to go down like this.
Like you want to. Fold really work because you're
doing kind of, we want to do it kneeling.
OK, OK, OK. And you want to bring, you want
to actually literally crunch these two areas together and get
them as tight as possible. Most people use their hip
flexors for abdominal movements.And the way we negate this, this

(55:38):
is this is like next level tip right here is you take a
medicine ball or you take a foamroller and you put it between
your calves and your butt. So you're kneeling basically
sitting on a foam roller, and when you are squeezing that foam
roller between your calves and your butt, you're activating
your hamstrings. OK, Now when you squeeze your
biceps right, can you activate your triceps?

(56:00):
Yeah, no, no. If you squeeze your what?
Biceps? No.
If I activate what though? Triceps.
Oh hell no. I thought you thought that you
reference chord. No, they're antagonists, right?
So when you squeeze your biceps,you basically force your triceps
into a mini yoga session. Your hip flexors and your
hamstrings are also antagonists.So if you do something that's
called antagonistic inhibition where you are activating your

(56:22):
hamstrings, now you can't use your hip flexors for this
movement and it has to be all into your abs.
So I'll take guys who say they can do unlimited amounts of
crunches, long term planks, I give them 50 lbs of additional
resistance and take their hip flexors out of the equation.
And all of a sudden and they're like, they got baby deer legs in
their ABS. OK.
And so if you can, if you can train your abs in this way, in a

(56:43):
very specific way that is like I, I did £50 last week, I'm
doing 60 lbs this week. And then kind of continue to
build. You will build the blocky ABS,
but just time and just reps are not going to do it.
And I think I don't know why we started treating ABS like a
muscle. We should do 100 reps of
they're, they're like any other muscle.
They respond well to high high stress, high tension.
OK so AB roller the the pull down ropes on your knees.

(57:05):
What was the other one? Hanging, hanging leg raises or
toast Hanging leg raises. That's right.
Knees to elbows is also a good fit too.
There's another one called Gar Hammer raises, which sounds
really crazy, but it's literallyjust like you holding onto an
incline bench. Yeah.
And then bringing your knees up.Oh yeah, I've done those.
Yeah, I've done those. I've done a GAR hammer raises.
I do it to where I have. Yeah, well, I'll have a 60 LB

(57:26):
dumbbell on my on my. You hold it like that and then
I'm on a bench and then I'll crunch up with my legs.
OK, cool. I got a flat bench or a flat
bench? Flat bench.
OK, I never tried that today. Yeah.
It's one of the things I starteddoing when I was in my boot for
eight months. I needed to figure out something
to do so I would. Put a million AB exercises.
So I put a medicine ball betweenmy ankles, a 20 LB medicine ball
between my ankles, and I'd leavemy legs up.

(57:48):
I'd leave it up a little bit at an angle and then I would just.
But the dumbbell want to talk about burning.
Then every now and then when thetrainers would come punch me in
the stomach and I'm like, Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
That's the good stuff. Yeah, you've got about 10
minutes left. Anything else you guys want to
cover, Peter? But oh, I know, I know, I know.

(58:10):
So Nate had saw that I showed the hemp works supplement stuff
drops. So he that was like, oh, I want
to talk about that. So here you go, Nate.
Talk about the drops. Peter, can you tell me about the
drops a little bit first? Imagine that earlier you said
you said I don't exercise, I drink water, I take my drops and
I lose weight. Go on.

(58:32):
Yeah, so, so technically I, I, Ilike to have all natural things
like from plant to to bottle. And that's me the most important
part, because I feel like talking about chemical process,
process things. I believe in making sure that I
use my plants, my roots, everything from my ancestors to
really put in my body. Because we grew up with that.
Just like how Nate was saying that we used to just eat and

(58:53):
chew me all day and now our facelooks like skinny and no
muscular. I believe our body heals a lot
more different when it comes to homeopathic and holistic
healing. And that's really what it is, is
we use plants, I use, we use theplants, we put it in the bottle,
we mush it up and we take that and put it into people's bodies.
And it helps people balance their hormones and also give

(59:15):
them energy depending on which drops you take.
So one of them balance the hormones, one of them gives you
energy from the green tea extract, the B12 vitamins.
But that's what it is. That's what my drop does.
I'm not sure what Chris has, but.
What is the what is the the hormone balancing drop have in
it and how does that help with balancing hormones?

(59:37):
I believe I will actually read it off right now actually.
I, I want to stand correctly. I don't want to like ruin
anything. Make sure I'm reading, reading
the right one. Here we go.
It has the BB12 vitamins, the biotin, the Rose hip fruit
extract, the cerola, and hopefully I'm pronouncing this

(59:57):
correctly, green tea leaf ashwagandha.
Ashwagandha roots actually, and Rodelia Rosia roots.
OK. So it's got some adaptogens in
there. It's got the green tea.
That's the one that's that's supposed to balance the hormones
though. Correct.
I don't I don't understand the mechanism why by which that
would happen. Which which part?

(01:00:17):
Well, number one, what are hormones?
Like We, I mean, we have a bajillion hormones and I feel
like balance hormones is a, is acatch phrase that is essentially
meaningless unless you're telling me that it is actually
helpful in facilitating like a like insulin sensitivity or
ghrelin and leptin, talking about testosterone or human

(01:00:38):
growth hormone or something likethat.
But there's a lot of different hormones in a lot of different
endocrine processes. So balancing hormones is
probably more complicated than taking drops.
Plus like when I'm hearing the, the ingredients, I, I didn't
know the, the one that's the onethat started with the C or an S
that you said. But everything else doesn't in
my like research wouldn't be like a hormone balancing.

(01:00:59):
First is adaptogens. They say like they are good for
building energy and then relaxing your central nervous
system. The green tea extract is going
to help give you a little bit ofenergy, perhaps like with some,
some fat burning, but that's like no different from a cup of
coffee. So I don't see it at like in
that, in that way. And I mean not like, not like
obviously you have your experience and it's working for

(01:01:19):
you. So like, I feel like there's
always that some people are like, I love aminos and some
people are like, I don't get anything from aminos, but I just
don't understand the balancing hormones, which is why I'm
pushing back on that. Yeah.
I mean, in terms of the, I feel like there's more to it and I
know that we do research on it, third party testings, but I feel

(01:01:41):
like it only focuses on the stress hormones, the cortisol
levels and using ashwagandha andthe ingredients really help
balancing that area. So I'm, I'm going to rephrase.
I think I think you're correct. If I say balanced hormones, it
gets kind of complicated more than more than saying that.
But if you look at if for my forexample, for me, the ashwagandha
really helps my stress hormones,really lowering that stress

(01:02:03):
level to really balancing everything else out like my
liprid, my hunger hormones, making sure that I don't eat
that snack anytime I want to have no.
Crackers. No crackers.
Also really show it that my bodytaking all that stress out takes
all that bloating out in my in my whole body too, so.
So like you're using kind of thestress as your lead domino,

(01:02:23):
which helps you avoid the snacking, avoid like the hunger
cues, avoid like that that bored, stressed, tired, like
eating that we get a lot of. I'm using this as kind of your
pre your like the way that you stay like level and that leads
to those like downstream effectsis what you're saying?
OK, correct. Cool.
Hey, so we got about four minutes left.

(01:02:44):
This is the Christmas mic. Sure.
You can find us on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.
Subscribe to YouTube, follow us on Instagrams and Facebooks.
Now I want Nate to have a chanceto plug all his stuff.
So I want you to you know where people can find you the best
route. To find you online, things like
that socially and then we're going to let you do the same
thing Peter, so we can wrap thisthing up on time so they can get
on with this day. So go ahead and miss the Nate

(01:03:05):
Palmer. The $1,000,000 body hit me on
Instagram at under score $1,000,000 body.
I post daily. Sometimes they can good stuff,
you know, so like don't get crazy like it's like 20% of the
time the rest is trash. But check that out there.
If you want to see my book, the $1,000,000 body method, kind of
like the IT gives you a 28 day plan for how you can get leaner
and live longer. Check that out at

(01:03:25):
getnatesbook.com. And if you want the free sugar
detox, go to go to thefreesugordetox.com.
There you go. What about you?
Thanks. For coming to my Ted talk.
Like if I'm on Instagram, Uncle Peter uncle.
Peter, spell it out. UNKOH though, right?
No, it's UNKOPEETAH. OK.

(01:03:45):
Yeah, I'm from Hawaii, Nate. I'm originally from Hawaii.
We call each other Uncle, Auntie's I, I.
Can't fathom while you can't eatrice.
Blowing my mind we. Eat spam, man.
We've had a big conversation about spam and all the different
variables with spam, you know, I'm sorry, interrupting your
time right now. OK, so start over.
Do do it. Pitch yourself again there,
Peter, so people can find you if.

(01:04:06):
You can find me on Instagram at Uncle Peter UNKOPEETAH.
And that's it. That's it.
Simple. It's simple.
Mike, where can people find you?At the Chris and Mike show.
All over. There.
You go YouTube, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Spotify.

(01:04:27):
Like your lava lamp bong in the background.
Like, that's cool. It is a.
Lot, Thank you very much. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've been threatening to take itaway and put it in front of me
instead of behind me and I get pushed back on.
That well, that's because all you would do the entire show to
be staring at your lava lamp like, hey man, the colors.
I got one right here that nobodycan see all.
Right. I would 100% smoke weed out of
that with you Mike. I would like you OK.

(01:04:49):
Hey boys and girls. Just so you.
Might be able to do that. Yeah, exactly.
We always in the show this way. Don't let the bad days win.
Suicide is not an option. If you're if you're feeling
depressed and and hurt and shallow and sad and just
frustrated with life, whatever, talk to somebody because
tomorrow if you don't wake up, you're going to make somebody's
heartbreak. Somebody Loves You whether you
believe it or not. So just be mindful of that.

(01:05:10):
Reach out. There's all kinds of resources
for you, A, A and a all kinds ofstuff.
Go online, Google machine. There's there's help for
depression, suicide, that kind of jazz.
Don't let the bad days win because someone will miss you,
especially us, because you're here watching the Christian Mike
show. We can't do this without you.
We can't afford to lose any listeners at this.
Point No. So no, everybody, everybody
loves you because we're all, we're all in the same race, man.

(01:05:30):
We're all terminally ill. We're all we're trying, trying
to be the best versions of ourselves Until that day comes.
I thought Nate was going to flex.
Come on, Peter Flex. Come on, Mike Flex.
Let's end little flex. Do you think everyone on the
podcast knows that I I didn't have pants on for this one?
Probably, you know, I don't sometimes.
I'm not wearing any pants either.
As far as they know, none of us are wearing pants, and Nate just

(01:05:55):
proved it. That's fantastic.
We're going to have Peter Ho, Nate Palmer back.
We'll pop. We'll drop all this stuff on our
on our socials. Everybody have a fantastic day.
Thank you so much for tuning in.Thank you both for joining us
that that's fantastic. Yeah, you guys are awesome.
Your knowledge is fantastic. I love everything you shared.
It's going to help those that needs some insight from living a
healthy and happier life. We'll do it again, guys.

(01:06:17):
Thanks. Thank you.

(01:06:42):
It's where you will go. Feel the tail behind your eyes.
Feel yourself and need yourself.Take a moment, look at you and
see it. Fight the battle that you must
wear. Fight the battle, but you must

(01:07:04):
wear who is your baby to your fear.

(01:08:15):
Come down here, we haven't bounced
out anything in sand from fighting, wait for the sea or

(01:08:39):
when it's closure out here, you put in the wind, you ain't no
quizzes. We're playing.
Smile. You should.
You put it on the almighty day. You got a dream.
Who in your life to keep on going every day?

(01:09:00):
Take the trail behind your eyes.Feel the soul, everyone.
You shine now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Take a moment.
You see him fight the battle in two more clear.

(01:09:50):
You gotta, You gotta. You gotta.
You gotta. You gotta.

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