#111 - Carl Perera - Music, Malaysia, & The Machines That Move Us - The Chris & Mike Show

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I don't know me and I could just listen that

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song all day. We.
Could we Could just. Play that back to rap and and
just you know, and then all our songs we should just we just
have a podcast. We play all our songs, that's
all we do. We just introduce the song and
sit back and jam and just rock out because you know how cool
that be we. Could actually we could actually
make that happen. Let's make that happen, man.

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Let's have just a Chris and MikeRock'n'roll show.
You know, just just the music, man.
The music saves the masses, right?
We'll do that. The music saves the world.
So we had a guest scheduled and we rescheduled him and I had
something that's going to pop onand I haven't been able to
connect with them, so hopefully they still chime in.

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So we're back to the basics the way it all started.
Back to the basics of love, let's go to Lukenbach, Texas
with Waylon and Willy and the boy.
That's a great song. That is a great song.
This successful life we're living, it's got a student like
the hat. He, he was, he died and and died

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in Arizona. He's buried at the Mesa
Cemetery. Yeah, when I first moved there,
there was a guy that lived aboutfour doors down and he
remembered going and seeing him playing the bars in Arizona
with. See, I wish I would have known
that, dude. That would have been cool,
right? Yes.
He told me some great stories. Man, just to just to well share,

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share Waylon Jennings Arizona bar playing story Mike for our
our viewing audience on YouTube.Well, it was more, it was more
just the fact that like, you know, he was that much old.
He was probably 60 at the time. So he was really been there done
that as far as you know, every guys were nobody when I saw him.
You know, he he saw him go from the only people that knew him

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were Arizona. You know, they toured around New
Mexico, Texas, the Southwest basically in in the beginning.
So they get, they both got theirstart in that part of the
country and that's the only partof the country that knew him at
that time. Well.
They were young men then. OK, so I don't know if you know
this or not, but Waylon Jenningswas actually a backup guitarist

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for Buddy Holly and the Crickets.
I seem to have heard that at onepoint in time and I had
forgotten the fact. So, true story, the night that
the music died, when the plane crashed, Buddy Holly and Waylon
got in a fight because Waylon didn't want to ride on a bus.
And they were just like, well, Buddy Holly's the star, this

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other dude, what Big Bopper? Big Bopper the other and the
other guy that died, they were the stars.
So they got to go to the plane. Everybody else had to ride the
bus. Unfortunately, here you are.
Waylon Jennings lived a lot longer than Buddy Holly did.
The night that Stevie Ray Vaughan died, Eric Clapton was

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supposed to be on that helicopter, but his manager had
never met Stevie Ray. Oh fuck dude, that would have
been catastrophic. Yeah, we could have lost both of
them. Wow, that's the reason.
That's the only reason why Eric wasn't on it, because his
manager didn't know him. That was the story I heard back
in the day. Now if you Google it, that could

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have been urban myth, I don't know.
But Eric Clapton was definitely there that night because it was
one of those guitar festival deals.
So like Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton,Stevie Ray, Jimmy Vaughn, they
were all there. Some kind of Blues Festival.
I think it was Clapton's first. He does like a yearly Blues

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Festival. I think that was one of the
first ones was in Alpine Valley,Wisconsin.
Oh, that's where the plane took off.
Yeah, so when it was a helicopter.
Oh yeah, I'm sorry. My bad.
And it flew into fog, which is against, I think, visual flight
rules for a helicopter. It's not supposed to fly into
dense fog. You know, you've been to the

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Midwest. There's no mountains here.
It was in the sight of a hill. It.
Flew into Oh yeah, it's a pretty.
Good sized hill, but I mean it'sstill a hill.
Yeah, well, that's that's the the reason Kobe Bryant's no
longer with us. Correct.
You know, stay out of helicopters.
Yeah, well, unless it's clear, unless there's clear skies, you
know, I don't know if you can't,if you can't see the the world

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in front of you, don't, don't get a hell, don't get in a
plane. If, for that matter, if you
can't see what's going on aroundyou, there's no point in jumping
on the aircraft, man. At least they got autopilot and
you know you can keep the thing moving In a jet helicopter you
just straight to the ground if something bad happens.
Yeah, but. Even autopilot does.

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Will autopilot adjust from hitting a mountain or will just?
Alert you. Good question.
We need to get a. Pilot on the We need to get a
pilot. Hold on, hold on, pilot.
I know a pilot. I know a pilot.
Let me see what he's doing. Like legit.
This is how these things happen,ladies and gentlemen.
We just start talking and strange, strange things happen.
Somebody knows somebody. Is this sound?

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Hey, Carl, what are you doing right now?
Carl, we're reaching. Out to Carl, I know Carl the
pilot. He's also realtor.
I met him at A at a marketing shoot, I don't know, 3-4 months
ago and he's like, dude, you want to go to my plane, let me
know. I'm like right on dude.
I haven't taken a law on it. But now that we're sitting here,
I don't know It's it's it's I'm sure just a little a little

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flyer plane. This is this is Carl the
realtor. And for those of you can't see,
I'm showing a picture of a of a human wearing a Gray suit jacket
with a white shirt. Dapper, very dapper.
You like that? I don't.
I don't know what nationality Carl is, but you know, he kind

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of looks like somebody from the the Middle East, I want to say,
but I don't. Want to say probably get.
Away. Oh, there's Carl.
There's Carl. Hey, dude.
He's got a full head of hair. He does.
Hey, so we're on my podcast right now and we just started
talking about a flying in helicopters and planes and shit.
You want to jump on our show andhave a conversation?

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This is like real raw relevant. This is as.
Real, raw and relevant as you get.
It's almost as good as somebody calling in.
Right, right. We'll see what he says.
He's like I'm just working from home, man.
Let's find out if Carl wants to come on the show.
That would be awesome. That would be fun.
So he had and even has his his notification silence and he

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still answered my my notification which is cool.
You would be one of the people that would get through on my
phone too. Actually, I do not disturb you
are because you're in my favorites list and those are the
only people that can get through.
He thumbed up the message. Boys and girls.
So let's see what his he's, he'sgot a little thought bubbles
going on right now. Ladies and gentlemen, we're
going to try and get a pilot live right here.

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In the middle of this podcast. That's awesome.
Yeah, I'm down. Like just calling.
Give me your e-mail address and I'll share the link with you
right now. This is the way we put these
shows together, ladies and gentlemen.
You are seeing it right here in action.
You do it on your laptop or desktop.
As long as you have a webcam anda microphone, we're good to go,

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man. Yeah, 'cause we know he has a
good Internet connection. He's working from home.
And he's a realtor. He's in my industry, that's all.
About good real estate connection.
And real estate. Connection got to have a good
Internet. Connection and he flies.
He's a pilot and this is good timing too 'cause then you guys
can. We'll take care of you while you

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go do your thing. Man, why I go when I go drop the
thing in the in the dealio. So let's see if he's he's he's
thinking. I think I'm her in my wings.
I can get along without you now,Dad.
You can get along that way. And ladies and gentlemen, he
knows I mean that on some level.Yeah, yeah.

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OK, OK, let's see. How do I get his e-mail off my
phone? Oh, it's, oh, it's it's he's,
he's, no, he's is he? I thought it was an iPhone but I
guess he's not OK. Yeah, so I learned something.
We got to make sure that if they're on an iPhone, they got a
they what do they call that? Landscape it, not portrait.

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Yes. Because Lemoyne started out
landscaped and then he must havedropped his phone and he
portrait it on me and that makesit look weird in the background.
No, what I'm saying is, yeah, nothing but love, brother.
We worked it out, but for futurereference, invitation sent Ask

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Chris. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a
sticker for details. Yeah, check your e-mail, Carl.
Yeah, he's a he's a cool dude, man.
He's a nice guy. Awesome.
Oh, fuck me. Nikki Anne Burrell died.
Who's Anne Burrell? Anne Burrell died.
Sorry, that was loud. Who's Anne Burrell?
Anne Burrell. Food Network.

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Oh yeah, now I recognize. Her yeah, Food Network.
Oh shit, 69. She's a fuck dude.
She's as old as I am. And that's not good.
That is not good. Wow.
Yeah, now I recognize her. Absolutely.
Channel 3, sorry, I mean, I didn't mean to blow.
I didn't mean to blow up the podcast.
Like no, that's. I know exactly who she is now

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that you showed me a picture of her.
Wow, that's terrible. There he is.
There's Carl Pereira and this. Is Carl.
Things happen, ladies and gentlemen, just like that
welcome, Carl. Thank you so much for coming on.
You're welcome. That was impromptu.
Dude, that's like, well, we had,we had a guest coming on that
that had to reschedule. And I had a friend of mine, I
was like, dude, what are you doing tomorrow?

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And he obviously got busy with day.
And then so Mike and I were talking about Waylon Jennings
and Stevie Ray Vaughan are not Waylon Jeans, Buddy Holly,
Stevie Ray Vaughan crashing. And then I brought up Kobe
Bryant. And then Mike's like, I wish we
had a pilot. And I'm like, hey.
Yeah. We're we're two morons here
talking about, hey, you can do this and that with the plane.
I'm like, really, I don't know what you can and can't do with

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the plane. And he's like, I know a pilot.
So thank you so much, Carl. That's awesome.
Carl, Carl, this is MM, this is Carl.
Welcome to the Chris and Mike show You're you're you're live
with us on YouTube because when we do this it's live on YouTube.
This is like 109th episode I think and then we and then we
purpose it out you you'll be on here a couple weeks later.

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We'll drop you all the links andstuff, you can share them so.
Yeah, like you said, we're goingto have a guest.
And then we kind of started stumbling our way through the
beginning of this and talking about planes.
And he says, I know a pilot, I'mgoing to text him, see what he's
doing. Oh, that is so.
That is so funny. Yeah.
And then I and I and I still hadyour picture in our thread.
So so I introduced, I introducedyou to the world like this.

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This is Carl. This is Carl the realtor.
I look a lot better in that picture than I.
And it was like, he's, he's verydapper and like, I'm not sure
where you're from. Where he's from, you look very
dapper and you got a full head of hair, man, So you're doing
all right, buddy. I appreciate you guys.
Bald is a cute ball. Well, who knows?

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We did it. We were at a marketing shoot for
a title with the title Rep. We know.
And, and so we were filming Jason.
I were filming this, this thing that I had dreamed up.
You know, you, you've all seen the commercials about
pharmaceuticals, right? Like, oh, you know, the, the
side effects of Viagra, you know, da da, da, da da.

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So we did the side effects of ofnot working with a realtor.
Yeah, that was, that was perfect.
That was so good. Yeah.
So Carl was there and and we, I was, he kind of was gracious
enough to kind of be involved a little bit and we had to get him
out and get pictures taken and stuff.
So it was kind of. Fun volume up just a smidge,
Carl. Oh my volume.

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Oh, like my my. There we go.
You. Got some facial hair now you
grew a beard. I know that takes takes like it
comes in every three days, you know, Then I got to shave it.
Is it really you can grow a beard in three days?
Like this beard, Yeah, like 2-3 days, yeah.
That's insane man. There's one that's great long

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either. Yeah, no mine.
Mine was. I can grow.
Hair, yeah, mine would come in, but I don't think it would come
in that quick in three days. So what we're talking?
About, yeah. Well, when we first started this
show, it was just he and I kind of bullshit conversations that
we've grown. So I.
Actually, remember your last question?
So Chris's last question that inspired him to text you was, if

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you're on a commercial jet and there's no pilot and you're
relying on autopilot, does it account for like a mountain?
You know, say you're flying at the same level as a mountain.
Would it account for that mountain and adjust?
Yeah, yeah. There's terrain.
Yeah, boy, yeah. So I mean like when you, when
you fly to like, I mean, I'm, I'm not super well versed on

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jets because I haven't flown them yet.
But like there's a, there's a thing called like a Cat 3
approach, I believe. And, and you can fly all the way
down to the runway. And so there is, there's some
kind of device that measures thedistance from the base of the
base of the airplane to the ground.
So it even knows like when to flare and everything.
And then even on the smaller airplanes, depending on what

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kind of GPS you have, there's terrain avoidance.
So you pay your yearly subscription and it uploads map
and you'll have terrain and collision avoidance.
So, okay. So did Kobe Bryant just not pay
for have that to have that terrain when he took off in the
helicopter on the foggy day in LA?
Helicopters are different. That's where we're going to go.
What do you know about helicopters?
Anything. I don't know too much, but I did

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look into that incident. Yeah, because that was, I don't
think that company was actually supposed to fly in Mount
Obscurement, so. The same thing happened to
Stevie Ray Vaughan, that the company violated that pilot, or
I think you have to have a rating for that.
He had a rating the pilot was actually like pretty
experienced, which is like surprising that that would
happen. But I think he I think there was

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like external pressure. So as pilots, we always have
like certain checklist, like personal minimums.
And and so we, there's, there's a thing called external
pressures and usually, you know,if you have celebrities or high
net worth individuals that are pressuring you to go and maybe
it's against company policy or something.
It it seemed that might have been.
Chris Donald wants to go and he calls you up.

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You got to move right now. Yeah, I mean, getting on this
podcast was like external pressure.
Dude, that's but that's the coolest, that's the coolest
thing, Carl, because legit, we just we just met and kind of
hung out for an hour and then he's cool.
He's a cool Duke. He's like everyone to go on my
plane, man, let me know. And I was like, alright, that's
cool. Dude, I thought that's what you
were hitting me up. For I figured, I figured.

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I figured I'm like I'm. It's too hot now, though.
We can go at 6:00, it's a lot nicer.
OK, OK, that's cool, man. Yeah, so that's but so now
you're on the show for at least until we're done.
So you just stop this. So I'm going to go do my
irrigation thing. So you guys talk.
I'll be back. Yeah, so those were the those

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were the two big issues that we brought up as far as he was
feeling like, I think what his argument was, was you were in
the same amount of danger in a helicopter as you were in a
plane. And I'm like, no way, dude.
I mean, I'm a moron when I don'tknow how to fly a plane or a
helicopter, but I watch enough documentaries to know that if
shit hit the fan, it seems like you would be pretty safe in a

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commercial jet liner if somebodywas.
Oh, totally incapacitated, yeah.Yeah.
So you would have to load the approach.
And I think you would have a better chance of doing that like
if ATC was guiding you through it or if they had like a pilot
like guiding you through that. Yeah, if you phoned or, yeah,
radioed into the tower and had somebody tell you step by step

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what you should do and you were smart enough to push the right
buttons or whatever. Whatever.
Yes, average. Person be able to walk their way
through it with somebody experienced telling them what to
do I guess was my question. I believe so, because, yeah,
they have something called the FMS, which is like a flight
management system, I think. And so and so literally when you
get your clearance, you, you plug everything into the FMS and

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then unless there's like an amendment or something, you
change it on the FMS. But, but I know typically like,
unless it's like a really, really bad weather day and, and
like both the airport has to have the equipment and your
plane has to have the equipment.Like I think most, most airline
pilots disengage autopilot at 500 feet and they hand fly it
down. Yeah.

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But if it's it's a, if it's one of those 00 mins where it's like
the plane has to go all the way down and you can't see the
runway till you actually touchdown.
I think, I think to my understanding, the airport has
to have that equipment and then your airplane also has to have
that equipment in order to, to, to fly that approach.
So I guess technically it could,but like I don't think every
single airport is equipped for that.

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So like, say, if you're flying to Sky Harbor, I don't think you
can fly. I mean, I don't know.
I haven't done this yet. Maybe you can.
I think they would probably, if you had enough fuel, they would
probably divert you to Los Angeles because I think Sky
Harbor's one of the harder airports to fly into because you
got to drop down so fast, you know, coming over the mountains.

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Maybe I mean, I don't, I don't know, I haven't heard that, but
but they usually fly the visual.So so I mean because we barely
have weather here. So like once they have the
airport inside, they clear for the visual, then I think pretty
much they hand fly the plane down and it's pretty, pretty
easy going. But.
I came from Illinois. I lived out there from 1993
until what, 2009? Chris was the singer in a band

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called Nemesis for quite a few years in the mid 90s.
He that's how we know each other.
I met him. At the box.
Concert and we put a band together and we had a
development deal with Metal Blade and.
Oh wow. Opened up for Pat Travers and
Sacred Reich and Sevendust and Armored St. and all kinds of

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metal blade bands back in the OK.
That's another stamp on your desk there, yeah.
This is crazy, man. The amount of sounds.
I think I've talked about this on the show, but this amp is
probably $200. A friend of mine's just let me
borrow it for giving him lessons.
But the amount of sounds that you can get out of this thing
for 200 bucks, 300 bucks now would have cost you probably, I

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don't know, fifteen, $20,000. And it would have been a huge
rack system that, you know, three guys would have had to
move to make it. Isn't that amazing?
Crazy how far technology's come.Man, Oh, I know even like 15
years ago because I like, I, I played in a band in college and
I still play in a band now I play rhythm guitar and lead

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vocals. But we do like now we do like
country and classic rock is mainly our, our deal.
But what's wrong with that? But yeah, like when we're trying
to record even 10 or 15 years ago, like the advancement and
equipment now and the quality ofsound you can get from your
desktop is just like insane like.
Yeah, I have this MacBook Pro that I bought to do the podcast

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and a producer friend of mine that lives in Georgia, he kind
of helped me. This is still a makeshift setup
I'm waiting on. I'm having a custom desk built
and then I'm going to turn this thing the other direction, but
did the amount of tracks that you can get out of this MacBook
Pro is insane. I've I've never found the end,

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you know? And did you have to upgrade your
Mac or is it just whatever standard?
No, this thing's just the way I bought the best one they had.
Believe me when I tell you this is the most expensive piece in
the studio. OK, OK.
Landslide. So the computing power is pretty
good, but but yeah, it's still unbelievable what you can do in
a box now. Yeah, like when I boot this

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thing up. So like, we usually start, I
meet him on here like 4:50. At 4:49, I'll open my Mac and it
takes about, I don't know, 35 seconds from the time you open
it till the time you put your password in.
I mean, you remember the days when you would wait like you
would start your computer, go take a shower, come back, and

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you knew that everything had gotten going enough to where you
could actually sit down and work.
Yeah, that's how that's the generation I come from.
No, yeah, then even like I remember summers, we were
playing games online and stuff and I would have to dial up the
network and take 5 minutes to connect to the Internet just to
play a game of mini golf on the computer.
I was. Like so frustrating.

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And then even when it got to thepoint where like I got in a car
accident in 1998 and I was, you know, recovering and not able to
move around a lot. So I started playing one of
those massive whatever, whateverthey call them, MMORG or what, I
don't know. They got a bunch of like one of
those fantasy role-playing kind of.

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Oh yeah, yeah. Medieval kind of shit you.
Know. Yeah, yeah.
EverQuest is what it was called.Oh, OK, OK.
And then I think people got addicted to the next big one was
World of Warcraft. World of Warcraft.
Yeah, that. Took off all over.
But right, right. Was one of the first ones.
And so the people that are into those games are pretty smart,

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right? Usually, yeah, yeah.
It just takes over your life though, man, It's amazing.
Like to think of it now, all thetime I wasted playing that
stupid fucking game, I should have been sitting there playing
my guitar more, you know? Well, I think like Elon Musk and
stuff like those strategy games,like there's a component to

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there's like a connection between that and like
entrepreneurs and stuff. It does help keep your mind, you
know, because you're always thinking about your next move
and upgrading your character. And you know, I'll agree with
you, there's a lot of advantagesto it, but I just think there's
far more disadvantages. You you could be doing the same
thing, playing a musical instrument.
You know that you're in position, right?

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Yeah, yeah. So a lot of those things are
excuses for not do not using your full potential.
We talked about that at nauseam on this podcast because we have
a lot of life coaches and stuff like that.
And I enjoy it because I need tohear it too.
You know, I always say that people that are listening need
to hear it, but I'm careful to say I need to hear it too.
Everybody does. We all do.
We're guilty of becoming lackadaisical and just getting

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caught in our routines and making excuses for Oh, well, you
know, I'm watching educational television.
I say that to myself all the time, right?
That's how I know about planes and a little bit about
helicopters. Very little, but I know way more
about planes, which is why him and I never get in arguments.
We just I just started laughing.I'm.
Like of. Course, of course, you know a

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pilot. It's so funny.
I like saw his text and I'm like, what is this about?
But what do you find like? Like is the biggest, biggest
struggle right now with the new technology?
Like what what? What do you struggle with?
Just the addiction, man. Like here's the example I use.

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You walk in a restaurant. I try and, you know, go out to
lunch with my mom as often as I can.
We'll walk in and you look around a restaurant as they're
going to seat you. And if there's eight people
sitting at a table, a lot of times all eight of them are on
their phone. Yeah.
You know, and that's one thing that when I'm out in public, I'm
conscious of who I'm with and whether they're going to be

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offended by that, you know? So like, my mom's on her phone.
I'll be on my phone while she's on her phone.
But. If she wants my attention, you
know she gave birth to me. She kept me alive for 18 years.
I owe her at least that right? We I can focus enough to have a
conversation at lunch. But what I see is how old are
you just out of? Curious, I'm 36.

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OK, so people your age definitely grew up with
technology, right? So your whole life has basically
been encompassed by a phone, a computer of some sort?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In people your age, don't you
see that a lot where their attention is sucked into their

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phone, Especially in a social setting where they're not
talking to each other? They're talking to or they're
not. They're looking at their phone.
I think so. I think, I don't know, maybe
it's just my circle of friends, but I think we're a little bit
more cognizant of it now like oreven find relief that we can
like not be on our phones because.
Obviously you set your life up in your mind that way.

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You're a musician, you're a pilot.
You're obviously an intelligent individual who is driven and
wants to, you know, be active. And so you're the exception to
the rule. I'm the exception to the rule.
Chris is the exception to the rule in that we go over and
above what's required of us on adaily basis.
Most people don't do that. Yeah, possibly like it.
Like for instance, when I go golfing, like like I never want

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to be on my phone. I mean that that is the time to
like not be on your phone to just like chill out with friends
and stuff like that. Obviously in an airplane, you
don't want to be on the phone when you're on flying an
airplane, but I, I noticed like everything that I do like the
most enjoyable hobbies keep you in the present.
So like playing live music, right?
Like you're in the present flying an airplane, you pretty
much have to stay in the presentgolfing.

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I just like to be in the present, like so anything that
really forces you to be in the present, I find.
And then, you know, when I'm scrolling away on my bed or
something like brain rot at night, I just like kind of feel
like shit. I just.
I just had that conversation with the lady I work with today,
I said. I told myself, you know, put
your phone down. It's enough of that shit, you

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know it's time to go to bed. Like literally this is how
psycho I am in my brain. 22 minutes later I know exactly how
long it was because I looked at the clock when I said OK that's
enough of that shit. And when I scolded myself I knew
what time it was. Then it was 22 minutes later.
I'm like, son of a bitch man, stop doing that shit.

(26:53):
But you get sucked down a rabbithole.
You know, it's like, oh, I just got to learn one more thing.
Yeah, and, and I and I have my wife put my screen time
password, so I don't know it. So I have to force her to put
the password in if I need more time.
That's awesome. Because I originally I was just
putting in my password, but it got to the point where I just
ignore it, you know, put in my password and ignore it.

(27:14):
And it was just becoming subconscious like, oh, there's
no point to the screen time password.
So she has my password now and that helps a lot.
Yeah, Chris, we were just talking about how how technology
like what, how it's kind of ruined us.
It's very helpful. But it's because this is cool,
because Mike's in Illinois. I'm in, I'm in.

(27:36):
Well, I wrote Chandler, and you're where he was.
Just he was just finishing that thought and that's exactly what
I was going to say, Carl. Now here is an example of Chris
and I using technology to our advantage.
Right now. We're doing something
productive, putting hopefully a quality product out there.
I just got told again today, Mr.Dunham, that we have a very good

(27:58):
podcast, thoroughly enjoyed it. To a new listener or from a new
listener, so. Right on.
Do you tell Carl how many countries we're in?
18 countries, Carl. Are you serious?
Yeah, for real. Are you in Malaysia?
That's where I'm from. Yes.
Oh, really? Actually are, I believe.
Yeah, I will tell you in about two seconds.
OK. Yeah, that sounds.

(28:18):
Familiar so and now you can tellyou call your family.
Hey, in X days I'm going to be on a podcast.
You should join and listen. On Spotify they can listen.
Hey, that's pretty cool. We've grown the whole thing.
We've grown the whole thing organically man.
We've not spent any money like generating followers and shit.
We've gone from like 28,000 in March to close to 100,000 views.

(28:42):
I take that man. Close enough.
Yeah, I can fly my plane from. There, this is the Philippines
and Malaysia. That's pretty close.
It's probably like, yeah, if you're taking an airliner,
probably within an hour or. Big old jet airliner.
Yeah, there you go. Steve Miller, man, there you.

(29:02):
Carl with the knowledge boom. Only because my band asked me to
do that so. Your band?
You're in a band, Yeah. Yeah, I'm in a little cover
band. OK, Chris, you're gonna have to
come and watch this someday. OK, I did not know that dude.
I didn't know you're in a band either, Mike was.
Just telling. Oh, oh, yeah.
Been there, Done the last subject.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on iTunes from the last band

(29:25):
I was in. Oh, cool.
The Sturgis tore in 2008. So yeah, you know.
Oh, very nice. He was on the radio, recorded.
Yeah, yeah, was on the radio. Real, real talk to USA with the
real estate for years for a year.
The good news Arizona, 106 episodes of that was the
mastermind behind that show. And then here we are with the
Christmas, which I wanted to name with the Mike Michael show,
but he forced Chris and Mike upon me.

(29:47):
Good news Arizona, the Channel 3.
That's the biggest misconception.
People think it's Channel 3, butit was when COVID hit.
Two weeks into COVID, I was tired of all the nonsense.
So I was like reached out to my friend Dean not and I was like,
dude, let's, let's do a show called Good News in Arizona and
just focus on all the good we did.
And I still get people reaching out to me like I it was, it was

(30:08):
cool, man. It was a good thing.
It it hits, it hit its stride about two months in and, and,
and you know, just kind of took off.
We had one of our a lot of our episodes we did live were 11,000
plus viewers and stuff. It was pretty legit.
Wow, cool. Yeah, that's awesome.
They. Had some legit guests too like
he had. Gene Simmons.
Michael Bruce. Original.

(30:28):
Yeah, original guitar player forAlice Cooper.
Michael Bruce, right? We were actually in the studio
with him. We had personal trainers on.
We had, I mean, just I, I could go Butch Patrick from from the
Munsters, Eddie Munster. OK, Soup Nazi, no soup for you.
Just all kinds of all kinds. Of things that graphic in the

(30:48):
background, Carl. Oh, I can.
Actually, some of it's blocked by you guys.
It just says that it's a top 10 Phoenix podcast.
That's also a true story. He didn't just put that on
there. #3 #3. Now we're number.
Three now, yeah. In your metro area there.
Hey, that's awesome. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

(31:10):
I had no idea what I was walkinginto.
Guys, that's. Just But you're a realtor man,
so you get it. So you know, we don't know where
to walk into daily musician. I just say yes.
Yeah, exactly. And a musician.
What do you play? What's the music?
What instrument? I play rhythm guitar, acoustic
and then I do main vocals. So we do country, a lot of

(31:31):
George Strait. I like Keith Urban.
Oh my ex is living, I like George Strait.
We do the Firemen by George Strait.
We do Alan Jackson. Yeah, stuff like that.
They're just CCR. Yeah.
Oh, so you just hit the button there?
Mike loves CCR, one of my favorites man.
So where's your next guest bandsever?

(31:51):
Uh huh. Well, we, we usually play two to
three times a month at the social birdie at Las Colinas
golf course in Queen Creek. OK, it's a they revamp that
whole restaurant and. But now during the summer, they,
they don't do any shows during the summer because it's so hot,
because it's outdoors. So we'll pick it back up in
October, but. Yeah, when, when, when you get

(32:13):
around to to playing, let me know and the wifey and I will
come out and. Check out Oh yeah, it'd be
great. That's a great date night spot
too. And.
Everybody in Phoenix, head out and see Carl play, please.
Yeah, social birdie. Yeah, they.
Put it on your calendar. We're giving you plenty.
I noticed, man. It's June.
He's been in. October.
So you know, come on, what did you guys chat about while I was
doing my my irrigation? Well, somehow I figured I owed

(32:35):
him how I knew you because he told me how he knew you.
So we talked about the band and then somehow that led into me
playing EverQuest after I got inmy car accident.
And that's how we started talking about technology either
being helpful, helpful or harmful.
And I said, when I walk in a restaurant, I'll see eight
people sitting at a table and noshit, a lot of times all eight

(32:57):
people are buried in their phone.
I can't imagine that, you know, two people wouldn't talk to each
other. Yeah, no, I just.
Went to the casino with two of my friends last Saturday and
there wasn't one time that all three of us were sitting there
on our phone. Two of us were always talking to
each other. You know, usually it was all
three. Yeah, yeah.

(33:19):
And for Carl and I that that's that's I mean, our life is
attached to that, unfortunately,because you know, back and when
I got. Real.
It's different when you're working.
You don't do that when you're sitting there getting you at
dinner, do you? No.
No, but what I'm talking about, but I think it caused an
addiction because like everything's an opportunity.
So like now you almost feel likeyou're missing an opportunity
and then it just gets built intoyour DNA, which is terrible.

(33:41):
OK, then let me ask you both thesame question.
We'll start with Carl. Are you married?
Yes. Remember, Remember his.
Wife. Oh yeah.
Yes. OK, Hello, Carl's wife.
Carl's wife. So you're sitting there with
what's her name? Oh, Mari.

(34:01):
Mari, Mari, Mari, you're having a nice dinner out on a Saturday
night and your phone goes off and it could be business.
What does Carl do? Well I do put mine on sleep on a
no notifications so unless unless the number's saved in my
phone, it'll ring and then if it's usually somebody I know
like my family member, I'll justsend it to voicemail.

(34:23):
I, I, I, I noticed, I noticed you had do not disturb on, but
you still responded to me, so that was kind of cool.
He he did comment. On it, I'm just sitting on my
phone. Yeah, no, but legit dude, at the
beginning of the show we talk about the fact that we had
somebody had to reload, reschedule, which I knew ahead
of time. Then I had a buddy coming on but
he texted me since and he just got tied up unfortunately.

(34:43):
So we organically just I, I textyou on the show.
I know Pilot. I know pilot.
You see how it is? I was Plan B.
You were. Plan C actually but but but but
but but but it came the. Best option?
I think but it right, but it turned out organically because
again, it took it took me talking about when the music

(35:06):
died, which was the we we started talking about Waylon
Jennings, because I started singing Waylon Jennings and then
and then just kind of trans and it went there to to the pilot
thing, because then Mike referenced Stevie Ray Vaughn and
how Eric Clapton was supposed tobe on that helicopter and he
wasn't right. And then I referenced the Kobe
Bryant thing and then so that and then we talked about the
hill and that's where I kind of thought about it.
Mike's like, Oh, a pilot. And I was like, I know a pilot.

(35:28):
It is pretty crazy. So bad, you were the first pilot
I thought of. Yes, so.
You know, I know another one, but he flies those big he like
legit flies for. God.
I think now. So he'd probably be more well
versed on that 3. But he.
Probably all my questions. And he probably wouldn't have
been available, man, because yeah, that's like Aaron and you.

(35:51):
Legit. Answered all our questions.
Those were the questions, Would you be safer in a helicopter or
a commercial airliner? And it's 100% a commercial
airliner. I've never been in a helicopter.
And the other thing helicopters have to look out for is power
lines because they're flying so low, you know, like we don't
have to worry too much about that unless we have an emergency
situation where we have to do anoff site landing.

(36:11):
But yeah, the the helicopters have to constantly think about
power lines because they're verylike, when you're moving that
fast, you don't see them. And so, yeah.
Here's a here's a question then,since you're a pilot right now,
it seems to be like an an an an abnormal amount of planes are
falling from the sky. Good.

(36:31):
Question. Yeah.
Is that true or is it just us where all of a sudden the media
is just focusing on plane crashes because legit it seems
like every day. A plane is calling me Jason,
Jason and Jason. Does he listen to this podcast?
Text No text him and tell him togo on YouTube.
The Chris and Mike show. He'll see us.
Really. Does he know?

(36:53):
Yeah, we're live on YouTube. We're live on.
He knows. I've invited him a couple times.
Oh, OK, OK. We're so it's So what I think it
is with the airplane stuff is like the first US commercial
airline crashed in Washington, right.
And then ever since then there'sbeen like a magnifying glass on
airplane incidents that I, I wasactually working like while I

(37:15):
was doing my commercial ratings last year at Erguard flight
school. And then there was that, that
mid air collision at Tucson. I don't think that that that
collision would have ever made the news if it wasn't for that
Washington crash, you know, justthe month prior because
everything was just so hyper focused on airplanes now.
So, so I think it's a little bitof that.

(37:36):
I actually looked up like the stats of 2024 year to date
compared to 2025 and actually there was less crashes this year
than there were in last year at the previous year.
So. So that's over 6.
Months. What's that?
Yeah. Six months, over six months or?
Yeah. Year to date, yeah.

(37:56):
Yeah. So I compared it cuz I'm like,
is this like unusual? Like we're hearing about it so
much? I never thought about the media
with like the dog with a bone angle and they are like that a
lot, right? Yeah, they like to
sensationalize it. And fear causes abuse and.
Unfortunately so. So we actually have less planes
that have fallen out of the sky so far in 2025 than we did in

(38:18):
2024 for the same length of time.
Yes, the caveat is that there's more because of that that was U
s s first, you know, since 2009 commercial incident, accident
with fatalities. That was why it was like, I
mean, there's more commercial fatalities this year because it
was the first one since 2009, OK, as far as US crashes go.
So I think that's what caused it, yeah.

(38:39):
OK, so are you are you a flight nerd?
Do you go in and, and and research that stuff?
What'd you say, Mike? There's somebody behind you.
Thank you. Good job.
I saw. Them I just saw their yellow
shirt. Amazon.
This is a running theme on this podcast, Carl, I cannot let him
get killed by the UPS guy. Or if it doesn't happen to be
the UPS guy, it could be a serial killer, right?

(39:01):
So, so I text ADHDI text Jason for you Carl, I said, I said you
can find Carl here in cinema link and he's like.
No, I didn't even text him yet, so I'm glad you.
Didn't so he's he's like, yo, I don't know how I missed your
podcast text. I'd love to be a guest and
assistant any way I can. I'm sorry for the delay.
Jason's the guy that he's a title Rep, that marketing Rep

(39:21):
that helps U.S. market and stuff.
He's a cool guy. Awesome.
Very. Cool guest.
That's funny. That's funny.
He would be. He used to be a model.
So, and an actor, yeah, and. An actor?
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, he's a good guy.
We've had some great guests, man.
What were we talking about for my squirrel moment?
And my and my flight nerd that. Oh yeah.

(39:42):
Yeah, so, so like when that crashed into Washington, did you
guys like dive into the researchand the and the, you know, all
the stuff? Yeah, I mean, because even at
Chandler Airport, right, like, like the difference between US
and Washington was that you don't see a military helicopter
on your iPad. Like, you know, you don't see
that traffic on there because they're, they're not required to

(40:02):
be on there. With us, we can see the
helicopters on our iPad. However, there's there's been a
lot of close calls that even at Chandler, you know, because our,
our traffic patterns are very tight, like very close to each
other there's. Helicopters take out of front of
Chandler too. Oh, just a lot of helicopters
training out of Chandler. Yeah, yeah.
So what's? Your flight rating.

(40:23):
So what? What kind of planes are you
flying? So right now I I own a little
Cessna but I last year I got my commercial rating in multi
engine so I can be paid to fly multi engine aircraft now.
And so now, now. Explain Explain to our viewers
what a multi engine aircraft is.Oh yeah.
So you you have single engine ratings, which is 1 engine on

(40:44):
the airplane, usually at the nose of the aircraft.
Yeah, prop in the front and thenmulti engine.
There's a lot of different flight flight characteristics,
but there's usually a engine on each wing.
So you have a left and right engine and the difference is it
can be a little bit more dangerous.
You would think having 2 enginesis more safe, but if you don't
know what you're doing in a multi engine, if one fails and
you over control or don't control the airplane enough, it

(41:06):
can actually do this flat spin kind of thing and kill you
faster. So what happened?
To cool. So yeah, so you have to be
trained on how to fly a multi engine, especially in emergency
situations where one engine goesgoes dead.
And that's why the airlines are pretty much safe because if if
you have a bird strike in one engine, most likely you didn't
you didn't bird strike both engines.

(41:26):
Unless you're Sully, you know, they're still looking into what
happened in Air India there because yeah, they're not really
sure Let. Me ask you a.
Person who lived. What?
Happened to that flight that disappeared MH370.
Oh, I think I know. Tell me, oh, this is this is I.
Don't know breaking news this. Is like breaking news on the

(41:47):
Chris and Mike Show. So, yeah, yeah.
So my, my cousin, my cousin's husband flies for Malaysia Air.
Used to, used to. He was a he was a captain on
Malaysia and he was friends withthat guy.
He was friends with that guy. Oh, really?
No. Wow, no.
I'm so glad I asked this question.
And so, well, the, the media kind of, and if you looked at, I

(42:08):
don't know if you guys watched that Netflix documentary, but
they kind of pinned it on The Captain.
You know, they said he was having marital problems, he was
depressed and like flew that flight in this flight simulator
or whatever. Yep.
So me and my wife went to to Malaysia last summer.
I took her for the first time and we were, I was talking to my
cousin's husband and he's like, he's like the only people that

(42:31):
confiscated that flight simulator was the Malaysian
government. He's like, nobody cross checked
the information on that flight simulator.
So no shit, whatever whatever said, whatever they said goes
essentially and, and, and Malaysia Air.
I mean, that's like a governmentsubsidized airline, right?
Like so like they need to protect their reputation and
whatnot. But it went missing kind of by

(42:52):
Diego Garcia military Island, which is AUS owned military
island. Are you guys familiar with Diego
Garcia? I only know because.
I'm not familiar with Diego I. Only know because of this
incident. Yeah.
So the plane kind of went messing around there, correct?
And and my, my daddy's company that he worked for his Freescale

(43:13):
and there was like 20 top execs at Freescale on that plane.
And there was like a patent. There was a patent pending
technology that there were maybemulti governments wanted.
So, so wouldn't it be convenientthat Obama met met with, with
Malaysia government quite frequently during that time,
which is quite, quite unusual. And then the plane goes missing

(43:36):
and then those execs are on there and everybody disappears.
And then a month later, MalaysiaAirline gets shot down by a
Ukrainian missile or a Russian missile.
With the more scientists or someshit on there like that too,
right? Wasn't there like some top?
On that flight, see, I don't, I'm not too sure, but it is kind

(43:56):
of weird that like there was no wreckage found from the MH370
and then all of a sudden there'swreckage from the missile that
was shot down the other plane. And some, some theories are
like, oh, that might be the same.
They might, they might be covering up the wreckage of that
plane with the wreckage of the original crash and.
There's only, there's only. Two times that a plane of that

(44:17):
size has just disappeared off the face of the Earth.
Because Carl knows better than we do.
But we know well enough Chris Dunham.
The governments of every world know where every plane is at all
times. And Australia poured a ton of
money into that investigation. But what if it was a multi
government cover up because. That's what I'm saying.
So the two times that a plane ofthat size has just disintegrated

(44:40):
into basically nothing is that and the Pentagon.
Is Russia part of NATO? Is who?
Russia part of NATO? They're not.
They're not right. So all of a sudden they shoot,
they shoot down Malaysia, maybe in retaliation.
They don't get that technology. I hate NATO.
That's the whole Ukrainian war. So, so you opened, you opened

(45:02):
the door. I wanted to, you unlocked the
door. I wanted to open mic about the
Pentagon because I had. Many keys.
The plane that hit the Pentagon,like I've always kind of
questioned that. I'm not a big conspiracy
theorist on a lot of things, but.
Some of them are true. That, that one is, I mean, what
do you think about that, Carl? That plane that hit the Pentagon
completely disintegrating? Because I've seen video, because

(45:23):
you see videos all over the place now where it looks like a
like a missile going into the Pentagon.
And there's no, there's no wreckage that was found in the
Pentagon. There's power lines still
intact. Like how did the wings not take
out? Those power well, isn't it
interesting that the Air India right plane crashed into the
side of a building and the building still standing and the
plane the back of the plane is still intact, right And it's and

(45:45):
it's Indian construction. Thank you.
I mean, Indians are my people. I mean, I'm happy.
He can say, yeah, that's why I said thank you, yeah.
Yeah. So, but OK, I just think it's
all kind of strange. The whole 911 thing is a little
strange to me. That to me, yeah, because they
built those towers, because we've all watched the
documentaries on that stuff. They built those powers to
withstand that kind of impact. And then you have the.

(46:08):
Only time in recorded history that an airliner has hit hit a
skyscraper, right? And the skyscraper
disintegrated. Yeah.
I wonder if you interviewed America, what percentage of
people actually believe that thestory that was told to us?
Because I I almost think. Zero at this point.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't think a lot of them believe it.

(46:29):
We should have asked. We should.
We've had people on here from Australia.
We asked him what he what, what they think of Americans, which
was fascinating because they actually embraced our culture
and stuff. Like when I think Australian, I
think shrimp on the Bobby Foster's for lager, right?
Good day, mate. Right.
All that kind of funny stuff. But you know, there was one

(46:51):
thing that he said about that that I picked up on Chris, that
he said there's as much, you know, he appreciates the good
that came out of the American culture.
But it's probably not known to the whole world.
But I think it's pretty common knowledge that Australians are
some of the nicest, most giving.You know their culture, they
take care of each other, right? Yeah, he said.

(47:14):
Our culture is ruining that part.
I picked up on that. Did you hear that?
I did. I think that's sad.
So you're so so you're a Malaysian.
Did you grow up in a Malaysia ordid you grow up in America,
Carl? I grew up in America, I was born
in in Malaysia, but we used to go back every summer for like
2-3 months at a time. So cumulatively, I spent
probably 2-3 years in Malaysia. So what's the Malaysians take on

(47:36):
Americans? Because this, that fascinates
me, like because we're in so many countries, we're trying to
get people to come on from the other countries, but you know,
language barrier and stuff. So every time I went back to
Malaysia, like, yeah, obviously I look, I look somewhat Indian,
but but they, they would detect my English accent and I always
noticed like, you know, if you're, if you're like a white
person in Malaysia, like, like you're treated off really.

(47:58):
But apparently, even if you justsound like a white person,
really, but now, but now it's sowesternized.
It's so Westernized. Like, you know, the world has
really shrunk. I remember, like when we first
came to America, we had no clue what Halloween was.
And my mom hid us in the bathroom because there were
people with mass at the door knocking.
When did you come to America? In 1990, that's.

(48:21):
Fantastic at what age? I was one, my brother was 5, and
my mom was alone and in the, in the whatever apartment we were
having. And she and she, yeah, she was
like freaking out. Like we had no idea what
Halloween was. But now, like, Halloween is like
such a global thing, right? Right, that's crazy.
Now put that in perspective. I just graduated high school in

(48:42):
89. 91 OK. Yeah, I was born in 89.
So there you go. Well, yeah, because you were one
in 90. So yeah, you were two when I
graduated. Where you go?
That's crazy, man. Yeah, so the culture, the
culture shift is big in Malaysiaand there's an Islam country,

(49:02):
but it's not like it's not like 90% Islam like Afghanistan.
So like it's not, it's Sharia law for for Muslims, but it's
not like applied to everybody. No.
If you're a woman and you're Christian, you can drink at the
bar. But if if you're Muslim, you're
not supposed to be drinking at the bar, you know, like.
And the and the and the Muslims and again, I'm I'm little
ignorant about it. The women are the Muslim women

(49:23):
that wear I forgot the. Yeah, that I think it's a hajib.
Yeah. So all you see is there nothing
else. That's yeah.
Well, in Malaysia, like they're not even required to do that.
So you'll, you'll, you'll. I see some but honestly like
it's not that many anymore. OK.
And Malaysia's again, my nurse with geography, Nikki, just got
this tapestry map of the world. She's like, oh, this will help

(49:44):
you, but it's for her classroom.Malaysia's an Asian country,
right? Yeah.
It's like Southeast Asia kind ofby Thailand and.
OK. So they speak Asian or they or
is there? Their, their country's language
is Malay, Bahasa Malaya. So, yeah, everybody's required
to learn it if you're growing upthere.
But but it was colonized by the English.
So, you know, that's how the Indians, the Indians were

(50:06):
brought over by the British to run the railroads over there.
And so a lot of everybody speaksEnglish there.
Oh, yeah, you, yeah, everybody pretty much speaks English
there. Yeah.
OK. But they do have some pretty
harsh laws when it comes to likepublic intoxication drugs.
Yeah, yeah, I think drug use is definitely frowned upon like,
but like public intoxication, I've seen that have.

(50:29):
You seen that personally, Carl? Have you been looking in the in
the in the cell phone camera? I was like.
I've been public intoxication. But you know, it's crazy,
Malaysia, even though it's like a third world, I mean, it's not
a third world country, but it's a developed country.
But like, OK. Like you see more homeless
people in America than you do inMalaysia, Like.
Really. Yeah, OK.

(50:50):
Where did you go in Malaysia? Like, what were you in?
A small town? Big city?
Like what kind of area? So we grew like when I went to
go back in the summers to visit my grandmother, we would go to
Clang, which now Clang is a pretty like, it's like not, not
the greatest area. But when I went back last last

(51:10):
summer, we would go visit these areas for family and stuff.
But we stayed in like a more nicer place.
Yeah. OK, So what size town?
Like where's your grandmother from population wise?
I don't know, let me let me Google it.
Clang Malaysia. Google Machine Google.
But now is all your family in Malaysia?
Do you have other? Do you have immediate family

(51:30):
here now? Now most of my mom's side is
here. Wow, there's 1,000,000 people in
clang. Wow, so big city.
That's a big city, man. Yeah, big shit, big shit.
But yeah, my dad's side still, alot of them are over there.
So when we go over there, we visit all my dad's side, but my

(51:51):
mom's side migrate to Australia,Europe.
Really. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, they were trying to get us
out of there as possible. Why was that?
They just didn't like what They didn't like the environment.
They went to more opportunities in America.
More opportunities and less biases for.
Sure. Well, he said it.
It is a third world country. I mean they're.
Working that way. Out, but yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Do they have?

(52:12):
Do they have? You may not be able to answer
this because you're not, you don't live there and stuff, but
what would, what would their opinion be?
You think of the president of the United States at this moment
in time? I think we're not getting
political. It's just a general question.
Yeah, no, I think a lot of them like listen to CNN or something.
I don't know. Yeah, which kind of sucks, but I

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don't know. I don't know why, like I don't.
Yeah, but so I think their opinions are like very.
But I'm like, man, you guys actually need to live here.
Who? What does what does Malaysia
have? Is it a is it a democracy?
Like who's in charge? They say it's a democracy, but
like even the last election, I mean, I, I don't know if we're
too far away, but there were, there were, there was like cars

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bringing in a bunch of ballots at the end, right?
So a lot of that, a lot of that corruption still there.
It's a little puppet regime. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
If if the opposition's winning, they'll find some way to to keep
the the the the same people in power somehow.
Yeah, President King. Prime Minister.
Prime. Minister OK, so kind of like

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England, because that's how Australia is, right?
They have the Prime Minister andthey still answer to they still
answer to Charles. So do you guys answer to Charles
because you were, you were developed by British, But no,
no. No, no, now we have our own
thing. And then like Singapore used to
be like, so it used to be Malaya.
The whole thing was Malaya. Then Malaysia separated from
Singapore. Singapore has gone on to to

(53:38):
create a much larger economy than Malaysia, but they were
part of the same thing at the same time, like, you know, so
you can drive to Singapore from Malaysia.
That's. Why I asked the question?
That's awesome. Yeah, you guys, what kind of,
what kind of sports are played in Malaysia?
Because we're educating the world.
You're educating the world now, Carl.
You're educating 19 countries here and all about Malaysia. 18
I'm waiting for 19 We're Malaysia white, white.

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Yeah, you're gonna have your, you're gonna have your, your,
your dad's side of the family listen to the show.
And then, oh, gosh, Carl. And then you're the third.
World thing and they'll be like,Carl is not the third world,
right? Right.
Then you'll send us a, a, a a violent, you know, a very harsh
written e-mail. We mean that in the nicest way
possible. Malaysia, yeah, but Google says.
No, Malaysia is not a third world.

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It's a Second World. It's a upper middle income
country, OK. It's it's considered developing
apparently. I think I said that they're
working their way. That's it.
Yeah. Say that, Mike.
Yeah. I mean, they have the, they used
to have the tallest towers in the world, the Patronus Twin
Towers. That's the one point.
Then the verge of the beach is now the tallest and and now
they've built another one which is now I think is the second
tallest tower in the world. OK, let me go on record.

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I apologize Malaysia. I forgot you had those bad ass
buildings. They are spectacular.
I apologize. Frozen building.
Rock on Malaysia. There you go, Carl, so you can
tell your people to listen. To us, yeah.
Yeah, no, I love Malaysia. I mean, my wife loved Malaysia.
We were like, I was thinking like maybe I should go fly from
Malaysian Airlines. A lot of the work through my

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head. What's the climate?
What's the climate like? It's like Florida, it's very
humid. All the time.
Pretty much all the time, yeah. So you'll get tropical storms
and stuff. I think my skin likes humidity.
So to speak. No, no, no seasons.
Yeah, you can go into a higher elevation and it's a little bit
cooler, but it's pretty much like Florida.

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OK. Yeah.
Do you guys have Americanized restaurants like McDonald's and
Arby's and Burger King and stuff?
Yeah, they even. Have real food, really.
But they have real food, right? Because you don't, you don't.
We're big on. We've had a lot of people on the
show that are all health and fitness and health and Wellness
and stuff, and we've talked about the fact that the

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countries outside of America would not accept the food that
Americans eat because of they'reso it's so bad.
Like Nikki and IA Little about amonth ago now, we stopped from
talking to Nathan and Peter. We stopped bad carbs and
starches and crackers. Did you do you know what's in a
Ritz cracker, Pete Carl? Because it's insane, man.
It's absolutely insane. Go to my Instagram, go to my

(56:10):
Instagram and watch the reel about Ritz crackers, man.
It'll blow your mind. It is crazy.
I'm hungry, yeah. No, no, no, no, you can't.
Ritz bad and it's it's. Bad.
But see, here's here's the thing.
Here's the struggle with it. Because the convenience of a
tortilla and the convenience of a sandwich.
Like when I'm doing yard work like I did today, I came inside

(56:32):
and I'm like, what do I eat? Because we don't need bread.
We don't have tortillas. Now let me tell you the
distinction right there that I just heard.
OK, I agree with you on the convenience of the bread.
Yeah. But I fucking love a tortilla.
I do too. I mean, like, love, you know,
And then I love what's inside and I'm like.
You like Chipotle? Yeah.

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Just yeah, whatever you put inside, I make breakfast.
Burritos. I do.
I do too. There's love inside that
tortilla, and the tortilla is delicious and it's that it's one
with me. I just can't give up my
tortilla. Right.
Well, see, now I have I have eggwraps, but a problem with an egg
wrap it's only about the circumference of.
And Peter told us that. Like a like, yeah, like a like a

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10 LB weight weight, OK, becausepeople explain.
So you can see like an egg wrap is just about the circumference
of a 10 LB weight you put on when you go work out, right?
That's that's it. It's not big, right?
So I've had those. But like today I had, I realized
we still had tuna. So I actually just dumped 2
packets of tuna fish in a bowl and put Mayo, mustard and spun

(57:35):
it up. And that was my lunch.
But and it's satisfied, but it wasn't the same as having the
burrito man because the Portillayou just you jonesing for that.
Like since we stopped since we stopped like no, no lie.
Nikki are doing dance lessons Mondays and Thursdays.
Yeah, and twice now we've stopped after dance lessons and

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went to Filbertos because this just go extremely bad that way.
Wait, so you're doing no carbs? No carbs.
We're not doing no carbs, we're doing, we're doing no, no bad
starch. So no breads, no tortillas, no
crackers, because it's all refined and stuff.
Oh, got it. So we're focused more on because
the inflammation that it causes and all of the bad stuff that

(58:18):
comes with it. So we just decided to try it for
a couple weeks and then. Have you noticed?
When I do something, I just. Do oh, he's noticed.
Like huge. He just asked if he noticed
anything. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I have. I have a degenerating vertebrae
in my neck to the point that we stopped running because it it
was so jacked up and and I'm a runner.

(58:38):
Like we were going to run the Marine Corps Marathon in
October, like we've probably done 60 half marathons.
Like we legit we were runners. But once I the short version of
the longest story stress fraction my foot, I wore a boot
fate months that throw me off all of the the cardio stuff
getting back into it once I was released and healthy and the
bone was healed was good for, I don't know, maybe a month or

(59:01):
two. And then all of a sudden I
started noticing some more pain going on because it's everything
has shifted a little bit becauseit wasn't generating anyway.
So all the bad starches and, andthe enriched, the enriched food
and stuff, it creates inflammation.
So the inflammation, the tingling and the numbness and
the pain in the neck stopped pretty much 95% of it went away.
So I was like, OK, so that's, that's a good thing to stay away

(59:23):
from. I mean, like I said, we still
kind of fell off the wagon and had Filbertos a couple nights
and burgers aren't that hard, you know?
It's just you, you go have a burger and you just hold the
button, you know? Yeah, yeah.
And then I'm. OK with.
I mean, I could probably live without a Bono.
My hamburger. Yeah, man.

(59:45):
Giving up the thought of giving up tortillas.
I just don't. I know it's hard.
I just don't think it's going tohappen.
I don't see why I should. Well, I'll tell you what you can
be. Hundreds of years old.
Right, You can keep the tortillas, get rid of the vape
because a whole new thing came out about vaping.
And. The popcorn lung is the real
thing. That's crazy, is that is vaping

(01:00:05):
the same as E cigs or is that different?
So it's the same concept. Thing it is.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
What? Yeah, he's smoking a cigarette,
basically on a vape. Yeah.
OK, Yeah, yeah, I've never been a big smoker or anything, or a
vapor. That's good.
Well, you're from Malaysia, you have hook, but you have hookahs
in Malaysia. You.
Just naturally inhale smoke and just walking outside.

(01:00:27):
Right. In Arizona, it's common.
He's walking to the haze. It's.
Very polluted in the valley, I'll give you.
That it is so sports. What kind of sports are in
Malaysia? Is it?
Is it? Is it?
Yeah. Yeah.
Soccer. Soccer.
Yeah, I was going to say soccer,but football, right?
Yeah, yeah, they're really big into the English league over

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there. That's like, huge.
Nothing else. No baseball, basketball, none of
that. I think the Indians are really
into cricket and badminton. Badminton's huge.
Too Badminton's. Huge.
Yeah, Really. They love cricket.
Indians love cricket for sure. Yeah, that's huge.
Yeah, that's a huge thing. But you know that going back to
the food thing with Malaysia, Yeah, Yeah.
It's like baseball, kind of put it.

(01:01:09):
Going on. OK, OK, OK.
Yeah, go back to. Food.
I don't think there's like. A never ends, yeah.
Well, I was just thinking about the food in Malaysia.
You know, what we noticed is like, you know how here in
America, it's like if you go outto eat, it's gonna cost you
more. But in Malaysia, you can
actually go out to eat and it's like cheaper to go.
It's like if you go to go to like the street foods, right?

(01:01:29):
Like. That's why I was going to ask
the street vendors. Yeah, the street vendors, you
get chicken rice, man, like perfect macros, like like
chicken pure, pure ingredients. It's like, oh, it's so good.
And you're paying like literallylike $1.50 USD.
So so you do that three times a day, you're like less than like
4 bucks or 5 bucks or whatever and you're eating great food

(01:01:49):
literally for 5 bucks USD you can eat like really good and.
OK, so what's what, what's the chicken rice in in Malaysia?
What's that meal? Oh, she's.
Like a it's rice some some like a black sweet, like soy sauce,
cucumbers, some we call it sambal, which is like, just like
a little spicy sauce that you can you can have it with it, but
then like the chicken, you know,like a lot of chicken like
sounds. Delicious.

(01:02:11):
It's my. It's my.
Favorite dude? Yeah, because see Mike's, Mike's
in Illinois. So it's what is it 610 there?
So he's he's knocking on the door.
And here's the other thing that I hear.
So Chris knows this and the people listening because I've
said it probably 1000 times, butI'm allergic to dairy.
So like, I gravitated towards Mexican food when I moved to
Arizona because contrary to popular belief, people from

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Mexico don't use cheese like Americans do in Mexican food.
If they use cheese, they use goat cheese.
Oh, yeah, Yeah. But a lot of times they just
sands the cheese. You know, it's just in your
burrito is beans and rice and, you know, the meat, whatever you
want. The same thing goes for any kind
of Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian.Now you're talking Malaysian.

(01:02:56):
And everything you said sounds so good, especially to me,
because those are things I know I can eat without worrying about
getting sick, right? There's no dairy in any of that
stuff. And we ate like crazy for two
weeks. Like like we ate like crazy and
I came back and I gained 2 lbs Really.
I was like, that's it. I thought I was going to gain
like 12 lbs dude when I came back.

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But I think it is because they don't use the the same food
processing that we used here in the States.
I don't know what we do to our food.
Like, well, Chris just said, so the things that he's trying to
avoid is any kind of processed food.
So what Peter and Nate both kindof they had a little differing
opinion, but the one thing that we agreed on is you want to

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stick with one or two ingredients in the main.
You know, like Peter was saying no rice and I freaked out about
that too, right, because I love my I love my Mexican rice and I
just love rice in general. Right as a bed to what Carl just
said. Chicken.
Pork. Well, that was my that's that
was essentially my lunch every day was it was a chicken rice

(01:03:59):
burrito with Sriracha sauce and and some cheese in there.
And that's like like when I camein from from doing yard work,
that's what I would have made orI would have had one made.
I would make 3 or 4 Sunday nightand have them throughout the
week, especially when I get doneworking out.
I'd come home and eat the, you know, the protein burrito.
But the problem is, is I have the same thing that Chris has
where we have degenerative disc disease and any kind of

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processed food like that, especially bread crackers, the
bad starches that he named, theycause horrible inflammation in
your joints. So that was that whole podcast
was basically about that subject.
Anybody that's listening, go listen to the Peter Ho and Nate
Palmer, any of those interviews.That's exactly what that's about
is. Conversations, conversations.

(01:04:44):
We don't have interviews. There are conversations on the
Chris and Mike Show. I I walked right into that.
Car you walked right into that Ihad.
Bitched about that from the get go.
I got to, I got to go, I got to go move a port.
So you guys continue the conversation.
I, I, I did walk right into thatone.

(01:05:05):
You know, we're not doing interviews, man.
We're just, you know, like when we're sitting around and you'll
appreciate this after band practice sitting around talking
to your brothers, man. You know, those are some of my
favorite conversations, dude, because you could talk about
anything from how do you buy a house to do you think that we're

(01:05:25):
alone here? You know, you mean like, no
dude, like in general, you know,in the universe, those kind of
conversations. You know.
I would be the one saying you mean like here, just in the
house. Like you think there's a ghost.
No, I mean like in the universe.Well, that's a great question
because, like, you know, now allthat alien stuff is coming out

(01:05:46):
on Netflix, and it's like, OK, it really makes you think.
And then I had a pilot that flewwith me last week that swears
he's like, I don't even tell people this, but during my
training, which was close to, you know, Luke Air Force Base,
Seder area, just just West of Deer Valley, he said he saw a
basketball sized orb fly under his right wing.

(01:06:08):
And how do you, how do you discount You said it at the
beginning when you came on the show.
These kind of things are for what we all in society like to
call above average intelligent individuals, right?
So yeah, when you. Have a sheriff's deputy call in
saying I don't know what I'm looking at, but here's what I'm
looking at. Or, like you said, a bona fide

(01:06:29):
pilot who has no reason to say anything for fear of losing
their license due to insanity. Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I hear it from my own
father has had experiences that have caused me to have to
believe in things that I probably wouldn't believe
otherwise. Because he's a no nonsense kind
of guy, man. He's common sense to the bone.

(01:06:51):
You know, here's the way shit's going to be.
And you know, I've, I've said a million times on this show, he
never had to yell. He never had to hit us.
He's 6 foot four and he's got a lot of common sense.
So you can't argue with somebodywho's been there, done that, you
know? Yeah.
And he saw stuff. Oh, he's had encounters with
ghosts. He saw a UFO on his way to a

(01:07:13):
fishing trip, like close encounter, not just like out
and, you know, bright light, that whole kind of what people
describe. So I guess it could be like, I
mean, it could be advanced technology that humans made, I
mean, but it just can't be nothing.
Like it just can't be nothing. When we, you know, like when him
and I go down that rabbit hole together when we're riding in

(01:07:34):
the car, you know, just whereverat the casino or hanging out,
just me and him, you know, talking like guy stuff.
How do you know that it's not just especially like things like
Bigfoot because they never foundevidence, right?
So how do you know that's not aninterdimensional being?
And every now and then there's, you know, Sedona's one of those

(01:07:55):
natural vortexes, right? It's one of the seven wonders of
the world. They say as far as energy goes.
And I've been there and I experienced it.
And it's not, it's not bullshit.There's something different
about that spot on the earth because I've been beautiful and
you feel different. I felt like I was weightless
there as far as stress and. Wow.

(01:08:17):
Fascinating. Just one weekend.
There's that in the window. One weekend I remembered it
forever, so you know. Wow, can't.
Say that about a lot of places. But that's a great airport, by
the way, if you have a little plane to fly into Sedona.
I bet it's got to be beautiful. Oh, it's one of the top, I would
say probably top five airports in the country to fly into.
If they ever want to pay a stupid money to keep doing this

(01:08:40):
podcast, believe me, that's where I'll park my ass.
Oh yeah, that'll be great. I love that place.
You know, I've never really explored Sedona in that kind of
manner, but maybe, maybe next time I have to be more
cognizant. Of it, I can't recommend it
enough and it's right up the road from me.
I'm like 1800 miles away now. Like what did you do to feel
that? Like to feel that?

(01:09:00):
Just be in there man. OK.
We went down and checked out like the Red Rocks and, you
know, that Canyon tour, whatever.
We kind of, yeah. And just going into the shops
and talking to the people, more so than anything, the people
that actually live there on a day-to-day basis, you can tell
the people who are there for thewrong reasons versus the people

(01:09:23):
that are there for the right reasons.
And I'm not sure I ran into any people that were there for the
wrong reasons. You know they.
'D like to tell you about the history of it and how they ended
up there and just that seventh wonder of the world thing, you
know? Yeah, yeah.
Well, I definitely got to be a little bit more aware because I
do love Sedona. I think it's a beautiful place,
but I guess I never had that feeling.

(01:09:45):
I, I, I have that feeling a lot in the beaches like like Florida
or or Hawaii. Hawaii, definitely.
For some reason, it's just like every beach.
You can find a peaceful beach inHawaii.
You can find a violent beach in Hawaii.
You can find the geography. Like for some reason, Hawaii
kind of has that effect That sounds like that that Sedona has

(01:10:06):
on you. For me and what I guess my point
was, I think maybe if there is all these dimensions that
physicists have now told us are there, you know, especially
quantum physicists. I like where this went.
Well, we were talking about the difference between like, ghosts
and aliens. And I'm starting to wonder if,
you know, like the flip side of some of these conspiracy

(01:10:28):
theories aren't true in that arewe living in a simulation?
You know, a lot of these things would make sense, but the
dimensions for me answer way more questions because these
things might be so thin at thosespots that literally that energy
is right next to right. So now you're feeling that next
dimension. Maybe that's all about love and

(01:10:50):
unconditional love and everybody's happy and, you know,
Donald Trump loves everybody and.
So there's a big, beautiful bill.
Instead of mean things you know.It's a big, beautiful bill.
Everybody's going. To love.
It Bill, it's beautiful. It's beautiful.
But instead, in that dimension, he's saying on page 39, here's
where I'm going to fuck you, right?

(01:11:12):
Or here's where Congress is going to fuck you.
Yeah, but let's be honest, every, every, every president,
all they all have their own bills.
Everybody's got their agenda, right?
They all got their legacies thatthey want to pass.
And then it it ends up. It just has nothing to do with
the three people who are talkingon this podcast.
Well, and that's kind of what I posted the other day, like

(01:11:33):
protest. I know I love.
You all you want, right? Protest all you want, but just
you're destroying. Don't wreck other people shit.
Right, right. You're destroying families,
legacies. You're destroying families that
have worked hard and just tryingto make a living and make their
life better. Talk about real, raw and
relevant. We are literally talking to
somebody who immigrated to this country.
His mother made a better life for her family.

(01:11:55):
He became a productive member ofsociety.
Not everybody that comes here. I was wondering if you guys
were? Talking about.
But that's, but that's the that's the thing.
That's what strikes me about theriots and and.
No, really. I mean, actually, you're an
immigrant, right? Your.
Mother came here, she made a better life for herself.
You became a productive member of society.

(01:12:17):
I want the people listening to the podcast who maybe don't
think the way I do so open mindedly in the way the all
three of us do that, you know, not everybody that comes here is
coming here for the wrong reasons.
Most of them are coming here forthe right reasons.
Yeah, Nikki Nikki's family, immigrants, they came over this
whole. Country is founded on
immigrants. Don't get me down that rabbit
hole. No, well, no, but and and they

(01:12:37):
were the Italian immigrants, so like legit they built the East
Coast. Yeah, I would love to explore
the East Coast because I feel like everybody that's been in
New York and Jersey and everything, there's like a
different energy there. And I'm like, I haven't
experienced that yet. I need to I need to go
experience that well. The fun thing about New York
when we were there is we didn't drink as much water, man.

(01:12:58):
What do you drink? Wine.
We just didn't drink. We didn't.
We didn't feel the need in Arizona.
This this, this is like probablythe 10th glass of water today.
It's so dry. It's so dry.
Right. So you're constantly.
You're constantly. It's not here today, Carl.
It's like 98% humidity. Over there where you're.
At Yeah, we got a front moving in.

(01:13:19):
Oh my gosh, You know, I think myskin is like made for humidity
just because I was born in that climate.
Every time I go back to Florida.For humidity, because it's good
for you, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's probably
true. But when it gets excessive, it's
hard to breathe. Yeah, we're we're this is our
next 5 days. And Carl you may not know this
or not, but one O 8 today 1101141O91-O2 then it drops

(01:13:39):
Sunday. Oh, good to a calm 98°.
Like. Three with 65% humidity.
There you go, Carl. We don't.
See where? Humidity is.
That's probably exactly what youhad about every day, right?
87. 7% humidity. 60 to 80% humidity.
Yeah, yeah, you, you would be drenched in your shirt.

(01:14:00):
You would have to change your shirt 3-4 times a day.
Yeah. That's how that's here, Yeah.
No bueno. That is no.
Bueno. Yeah, I guess it would be harder
to control mold and stuff, but. Well, Jake, my son was in Japan,
OK and stationed in Japan for a couple years during He's still a
Marine, but he was in Japan for a couple years and we actually
Nikki sent him stuff that would help keep things dry because of

(01:14:22):
the. You know.
And so we never really dove deepin that.
Did you? Did you guys deep into the
conversation with him when he was on the show, Mike, about
Japan's weather? Because I never really talked.
I don't think we talked weather that time.
We just saw. But the one thing that I will
say is Carl's right. So like if I didn't have central
air or like, you know, people that don't have central air,

(01:14:46):
which is not uncommon here, they'll have multiple window
units. Because you're right, man, in
the summertime, if you don't have air conditioning,
everything will mold. Oh, I see.
The lady that put the air conditioning in this house, my
mom was, well, still is really good friends with her and that's
what inspired her to put CentralAir in.
As my mom said, we had a horrible summer where it was,

(01:15:09):
you know, like over 100 heat index every day, and she came
home from work one day and the whole front of her cabinets were
all full of mold. Mold.
Yeah, just from being oppressive, humidity for days
and days and days, yeah. That's the that's the downside,
I suppose. You.
Got to have central air. That's what keeps your house
from molding. So does Malaysia have

(01:15:31):
electricity? Yes, you know what we allow we
have we have those like you know, I don't know why they
don't do it more in America, butthey have like the the
individual units like the AC units in each room.
Yeah, which which I think is actually more effective and
easier to maintain because like if one of those breaks down,
it's like way cheaper than if the whole central.
No, I agree. Yeah, I have a client in Cave

(01:15:54):
Creek that they put, I forget what they're called, but he
legit put one of those in every single room of the house, every
single room split. I forget what they're called.
I want to say split system, but I don't think that's right.
I know you talk about the white things.
Yeah, yes, on the. Top of the wall.
Yes, yeah, I know exactly. People say their eyes, but I
think they look fine. No, I don't think they look bad
at all. No, I think if you just, if you

(01:16:16):
can dress them up a little bit, you know, you put some waves on
them, you know, maybe a little characters, you know, little
little flames would be cool. Maybe a little.
You know, maybe put flames. On things you know.
My conspiracy mind is that it's that you can get a bigger ticket
item for a fix on a on a huge ACsystem than just one of those
little ones, you know? And the same thing with water

(01:16:37):
heaters, like in Malaysia, there's electric water heaters.
So they don't have big tanks that are heating up a bunch of
water. It's just every shower head has
a box like this big. Well, you know.
Why? And you just press the button
and the electricity, and the electricity instantly heats up
the water that flows through it.Seriously.
Yeah. And so I'm like.
Wow, that's way more. Next time you go to Malaysia,

(01:16:57):
take a picture of that and send it to me.
Oh yeah, I'd be interested. I'd be interested to see I.
Probably can just Google it and send it to you, but.
But that's not as fun. He wants to get a live picture
from. Drop $2000 on an Airtech.
You, just like Mara. Chris wants us to go to Malaysia
and I can take a picture of the water heater in the shower.
It's got to be legitimate, right?
OK, OK, honey, let's go. You got to be in person

(01:17:18):
pictures. Right, you know, I want a
selfie, man. Here it is, Chris.
Just point to like this is the micro Harris click.
And he wants the timestamp to say whatever city Malaysia.
Yeah, so then I can see it. That's hilarious.
That would be awesome. That would be.
Awesome. That's the way we roll it, man.
Oh my gosh, he. Can write it off.

(01:17:38):
He can write it off. He's just, you know, just say
it's for real estate, you know, but I had a client that wanted
to understand what. The.
Landing client A. Water heater was in in in a
Malaysian bathroom because they wanted to build a house in
Arizona that matched that concept.
So you know. I just got you a free trip, man.

(01:17:59):
You're. Welcome.
That's true. Thank you.
You're good. I'm sure waiting for my tickets.
Now when you when you go back toMalaysia, do you ever play, do
you ever play music in Malaysia?Like go to a bar and just jam
out like a couple of like. Sash No, I play for like family
members, but I don't think I played I played in a music
store. You know the thing about
Malaysia, they're very good musicians like like you can't

(01:18:22):
like I feel like I can get away with some mediocre performances
here, correct. But in Malaysia you will get
like you would get torn down, you know, like there's so many
good so. They know good from bad.
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think Americans, which I love, are a
little bit kinder, you know, yeah, Asians, not so much.
They they kind of just say it like how it is.

(01:18:44):
So you. Suck.
They're gonna tell you you suck.Yeah, yeah, they won't.
They won't pat you on the back and say good job.
I feel like that the most terrible.
That's crazy. So our our Australian friend was
on and they like totally embraceAmerican Music.
Does Malaysia embrace American Music?
Oh yeah, Top 40. Yeah, pretty much.
You can hear the same Top 40. Is there, is there anybody we

(01:19:04):
would know that came out of Malaysia from a, from a musician
standpoint? Guy Sebastian, he won Australian
Idol. He he's pretty.
He's pretty famous in the pop world.
OK, are. They big in the how do I are
they big in like the K pop sceneor is that more?
Korea, I think, I think there's because Malaysia is kind of like
a melting pot. We have Chinese, India and

(01:19:26):
Malays. Yeah, yeah, I think K pops like
my my cousins, they like K pop alot and.
So K pop is just Korean pop music or is it K pop?
Is that's where it originated, Yeah.
Korean Pop. Their style of boy band, kind
of. I'm probably Butcher.
Very intense training. Yeah, dude, it's they're amazing

(01:19:48):
musicians. He's.
He can't be any. Ridiculously fucking good.
I was introduced to this whole scene by a girl I work with and
she's like, totally into it. Knows as much about that as I do
about Hard Rock and heavy metal,you know?
And I like to, you know, I like to think of myself as educated
and worldly, especially when it comes to music.

(01:20:09):
So I'm sure as much as she thought she was boring me, I'm
like, no, tell me all about it. I mean, it may not be my scene,
but I want to know about it, youknow?
And I was fascinated at how she'll show me these TikTok
videos of their music and then them playing like a Metallica
song on their guitar, you know, and their note for note,
probably better than the band. Wow.

(01:20:32):
They are very intense with the practice and they're like,
there's a great documentary on Netflix now called Dirty Pop.
It's about Lou Perlin. Did you see it?
I saw that I. Did dude, what did you think
about that? What did you think about that?
I just, I mean, it's all about the money, right?
That's what he did it for. All about the money.
I think so, but then I'm going. To have to watch.

(01:20:52):
His. His.
Scheme, Mike, you got to watch it, dude.
Yeah, you guys need to talk about it after you watch it,
because there's aspects almost of Lou, Lou Pearlman, the guy
that I actually admire. True, because he built he.
I don't know if. You feel the same way, but.
I do because he took, he took, he took, he took nothing and
made it into. This it was his vision, right?

(01:21:12):
Yes but but yeah, he built Backstreet Boys and and Snake.
Yeah, I'm familiar with who he. Is OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but then the.
You guys can talk about it. I know the whole story behind
Ron or Luke. Perlman, Luke Perlman.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
So, I mean, he built these, like, these amazing boy bands
and then he got sued out of their contracts and then still
went on to build some fairly bigboy bands like O Town and LFO.

(01:21:34):
Like they were fairly successful.
So who? Shoot him the guys in the band.
Yes, **NSYNC and Backstreet Boysstudent.
They they got what was there wasa they got platinum right
million million sale for. Sure.
Yeah. I think they generated $200
million in sales in revenue and they gave them 10 grand each. 10
grand each, fuck. Right.

(01:21:54):
And then so but the. But The thing is, they were so
naive about it because they. Were so I didn't know.
I got AI, got a $10,000. Check.
Yeah, you would think you would make it like 100 LB grand each
to to try to like lengthen this,this deal out a little bit more.
But yeah, he kind of threw it himself there.
Right. And then and then the one, I
forget who it was, but he had worked at at Texas Roadhouse or
something equivalent to that. And so he was like showing this
$10,000 check. They're like, dude, you make

(01:22:16):
more than that in a year here. And that's when it kind of
dawned on him like, wait a minute.
But the way he treated, but the way he treated them was like
like first class all the way, like all the way.
They wondered for nothing, except they got this.
Can you imagine working for a whole year for nothing like?
For 10 grand. For 10 grand.
And playing out the sold out show.

(01:22:37):
And they worked hard. Oh, Oh my God, they work hard.
The, the, the, the time we talked about this before, Mike,
the time and effort that you gotto put into the, you know, like
rock bands. Don't we all know for graphing
and stuff. But we watched, we watched, I
saw a thing with Bruno Mars withhis prepper for his upcoming
tour he was on or he's currentlydoing the behind the scenes of

(01:22:57):
what he does. It's just insane.
And I never thought about it. I never put it together that all
that dancing has to be choreographed in practice right
time and time again. Like you could just like I
remember when back in the 80s, remember that band CC in the
music Factory, right, the semi Hammer Air stuff.
I remember them stopping their tour because of exhaustion and

(01:23:20):
all the members of the band wentto the hospital for exhaustion.
I'm like, what the fuck? You're just standing on stage
and then, oh, the choreography part of it.
Yeah, they're probably running equivalent of 5 miles or
something on. Stage It's unbelievable that
that Backstreet Boys *NSYNC could sing that well while
moving like that. You know, it's like.
Because lip syncing wasn't a thing back then.
It wasn't there, no. Well, and the thing that.

(01:23:42):
The word. Attracts the thing that we would
all be familiar with is a drummer will tell you if you
play a 2 hour show that's equivalent of running 5 miles
that's why most drummers are runners yeah for.
Sure. Wow.
Yeah, that's. True, that's a cardio.
Like I always tell people, it takes a certain kind of
mentality to want to beat the shit out of something for hours
on end. Because it's not really a

(01:24:03):
musical instrument, right? Unless you have a band there.
Don't tell that to a drummer. Don't tell to Neil.
Pierce I tell that to drummers all the time.
Neil, Neil would Neil would rollover the great.
Wait a minute. What'd you say, Mike?
When you put it in context, you're not making notes right.
You got to tune the Toms right alittle bit.
You do. No, not even a little bit, Ask

(01:24:23):
Chris. I was a stickler for that one
too. Oh yeah.
Scott taught me a lot about how to arrange songs and how to
write songs. I taught him how to fucking put
his drums just right because when I met him they were over
ringing over each other and not they just weren't tuned.
Right. Well, you can't hear.
I don't think drummers can hear behind the kit.

(01:24:43):
I don't think they're hearing what we hear because it's going.
Forward. Here's the difference.
You go from being a guy playing in his bedroom, we've talked
about this to a guy playing in the garage.
The first time a drummer has to be on APA system, that's the
first time they've ever been electronic, right?
Guitar players have always had their amplifier.
Bass players always have their amplifier.

(01:25:05):
Chris and Carl both have to haveAPA system because they're the
lead singer. But that's the first time
drummers have ever had microphones on there.
And shit changes dramatically when you put a microphone on an
acoustic drum. That's true, yeah.
And I'm a stickler for them sounding badass coming out of
the PA because if there's too many overtones, then that starts

(01:25:27):
to bleed into your vocals, my guitar, the bass, and bad things
happen. That's where the audience
leaves. Mike, I would love to send you I
just released a song on iTunes this past week called To the
Future and What called. What called what?
To the future, To the future. My Carl Anthology is my stage
name, but but we recorded that in in college, like years and

(01:25:50):
years ago and I found it in the archives and I'm like, I'm just
going to put this on iTunes. Sweet.
But you could probably RIP that one apart like I don't.
Know no. Only if you ask me.
Now see. No.
So you'll have to go. I love it you you'll have you'll
have to go listen to a couple episodes now, Carl, because we
always open with a song Mike andI wrote called Freeman that is
that lyrically it's still relevant today, but.
Didn't you? Nice.
Hear hear me singing a mic jam and you can hear the band.

(01:26:13):
Yeah, I'd love to hear that. I want to.
Re record that, it's so bad. It's yeah, I do too.
Are you man? What?
What's the artist on? On iTunes it's under.
You won't. It's not.
We're not on iTunes. Yet you got to figure out how to
OK. It's just a demo from like 1995
that we recorded basically in myapartment and I drums in a

(01:26:33):
double wide trailer. I see.
Yeah. So, but I mean, it's still, it
still sounds like it. I mean it's.
We get so many compliments on it, man, but the way I hear it
in my head and the way Chris wasgoing to lay his vocals down
originally, I just so want to dothat.
He had the megaphone idea beforeWeiland or anybody.

(01:26:54):
That's where that's where that idea originated from, was that
song. He's like, here's what I want to
do. I want to have this guy talking
in this voice and I want to havethis guy telling this part of
the story. And it was genius.
But we just never got to put it down the way that we had talked
about it years ago. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I want to hear it.
You got, you guys are more in like heavy, heavier stuff,
right? Heavy metal.

(01:27:14):
It would be the Hard Rock. It's Hard Rock.
We, we, I, I always tell people when they ask what we sound
like, we were Creed before Creedwas Creed.
Because that's how I wrote lyrically.
Our oh, Creed. But Creed's kind of like, not
that hard. Right.
No, but we had elements of it like we opened for Sacred Reich
and enough's enough in Marshall Tucker Band, just to name three.
Oh yeah, the dynamic there the. Marshall Tucker Band's like,
yeah. Uh huh.

(01:27:35):
But we could. That's the thing.
We could play with anybody because our music was just that
music. It was it was it invited you in?
We'd come out, bust 3 songs without me saying a word to the
crowd and just boom, boom, boom in your face.
And then they were just like, ohsweet, what do we have?
Here we'd beat him over the headfor like 11 straight minutes.
And then you finally say something.
Yeah, you win them over. Yeah, I like that.

(01:27:55):
Yeah, that's sweet, but you knowthat the.
Chris, he was shy. He had to warm up to the crowd a
little. Bit he was so I'm kind of like
that too. I mean, no, no, no, I'm Chris is
not shy but. He's not on any level.
But for some reason I get shy when I'm get on there.
Do you get shy or do you get like, I used to call it, like an
adrenaline? Are you talking like stage

(01:28:16):
fright? No, not stage fright.
Like I'm I'm excited to perform,but like in the middle of songs
and stuff, I'm just like so bad.Like saying stuff.
Oh, he. He was not.
Yeah, like that's a talent that maybe I need to practice a
little bit more. Our band takes a little bit of
time in between because we, I don't know if they got to do
their stuff and I'm just like standing there, like, come on,

(01:28:37):
guys like mix up. I can't.
I can't talk Chris up enough to like if shit hit the fan.
He was just take control, kind. Of he.
Would start giving away free drinks to the crowds or T-shirts
or bumper stickers it's like do what you need to do man I got
this it's. All that's sweet.

(01:28:58):
That's awesome. Probably the first conversation
I had with my drummer when we had first met Chris was that was
the compliment I gave him right away.
I'm like, we're going to be ableto walk on a stage and this
guy's not going to have any fear.
We went from a guy who had stagefright.
The first gig we played in frontof like 1000 people got the best

(01:29:18):
gig you could imagine at the Electric Ballroom back in the
day, OK? And there was literally like
1000 people there that night andthis guy froze and my drummer
was like, that can never happen again.
And I couldn't argue with that. You can't be afraid to go on
stage. Yeah, you got to be pumped.
Yeah, so Chris was the antithesis of being afraid to go
on stage. He was like, let's go.

(01:29:39):
How'd? You find Chris, stop there.
Just firing that other guy. I just wanted to jam, man.
I just want to jam. I have to bail because my my
truck's ready. So this.
I probably got to go to man. I'm braid that.
We got to wrap. This up?
Yeah, too much fun. Carl, you got to come back and
do this again with us for sure. Man, yeah, we'll do.
We'll have a show on you what you actually planned to have you
come on and we can talk all kinds of things again because,

(01:30:02):
you know, whatever you want. We had to answer the text, man.
That was, that's fucking right on, dude.
Thanks for having me on guys, I appreciate.
It so nice to meet you. Yeah, nice to meet you.
We'll have to I'll text you my link to my iTunes.
Yeah, absolutely. Please let me know what your
honest thoughts are, that'd be great.
Yeah, absolutely. And then we always wrap up the
show that don't let the bad dayswin.

(01:30:22):
Mike and I have both been touched by someone who's who's
taking their life. So Somebody Loves You, somebody
miss you. Don't put that hole in
somebody's heart. Talk to somebody, go to sleep.
Tomorrow's going to be a better day.
You will be missed. You are loved.
Peace. Love you brother.
Love you man, thanks. Carl.
Have a good night, Carl. You too.
Peace. This is the place where you will

(01:31:01):
go. Feel the trail behind your eyes.
Feel yourself and need yourself.Take a moment, Look until you
see him. Fight the battle.
That's you boss wheel. Fight the battle.
But you boss wheel. Who is this baby?

(01:32:04):
The. Come down here, you haven't

(01:32:48):
found salads in your sand. You don't fight him.
Wait for the dead when he's closer.
I'm here for the wind. You ain't no creature.
When the plants found you, should you put it on the
Almighty? You've got a dream.

(01:33:11):
Who in your life to keep our soul in every man?
Take the trail behind your eyes.Feel the soul evolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:33:34):
Take your moment. We can see you.
See him find your family. To you more clear.
You gotta, you gotta.

(01:34:09):
You gotta. You gotta.
You gotta. The.

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