#114 - Vince Perri - Authenticity, AI, & Entrepreneurship

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In this engaging conversation, Chris and Mike welcome Vince Perri, a serial entrepreneur and podcaster, who shares insights on entrepreneurship, personal branding, and the art of conversation. The discussion covers Vince's journey, the importance of mentorship, daily routines for success, and the evolution of podcasting. They explore how to effectively engage an audience and the significance of allowing guests to shine during interviews. The conversation also touches on personal interests, including sports, and how they relate to business challenges.

In this engaging conversation, the hosts and guest Vince Perri explore the evolution of reality TV, the complexities of personal growth and forgiveness, and the transformative role of AI in business. They discuss the scripted nature of reality shows, the importance of authenticity, and how technology is reshaping human interactions. The dialogue also touches on the challenges of communication in the digital age and the potential of AI to enhance business efficiency while maintaining a human touch.

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know Hey hey hey Brian hey we got Vince Perry is the high seat

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or Perry. Vince Perry.
Vince Perry with us today and we're actually simultaneously
going live on YouTube. Like I just said, you can find
us on Instagram, Facebook as well.
And we are working on the Chris and mikeshow.com.
So be patient for that. Welcome to the show, Vince.
How are you? I'm doing pretty good.
Chris, Mike, how are you guys? Nice to meet you, Vince.
Thanks for coming on man. For sure man, it's my pleasure.

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Thank you for the invitation. I really appreciate it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we do, man.
So tell us a little bit about yourself, and then we'll just
dive into, you know, deep intellectual conversation.
Oh, I mean, what do you want to know?
You want to know successes? You want to know rock bottom?
Do you want to know? When so kind of give us an idea
of who you are, what you're about as far as like you know,

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in your current everyday, what do you do?
You know, what kind of message are you trying to get out there?
And we'll start from there. Yes, I'm what you would probably
call a serial entrepreneur constantly.
I love create, I love creating things and I love mentorship and
leadership. So it kind of runs hand in hand

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with entrepreneurship is becauseyou're constantly just coming up
in your crazy brain of new ideasand different things that you
want to do and problems to solveand all of these things.
It's like, oh, that's a great idea, let me go ahead and do it.
And then I've always been very high execution where like if I
say I'm going to do something, I'm going to get it done and I
get it done. And then I was also a tennis
coach for 15 years where I taught kids from 4 to 94.

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That's what I always say. I taught some elite athletes as
well. So coaching.
And then my mom was a a elementary school teacher and
guidance counselor. My uncle was a, was a elementary
school teacher and, and child psychologist.
So like that whole thing is justsort of like been in my blood.
So like coaching, mentorship, stuff like that, you know, mixed
with the creative spirit that I've got of just wanting to

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create different things. It's just always blended
together and just always turned into a company.
OK, let me ask you this. In the entrepreneurship side of
your life, what would you consider your biggest success
story and your biggest failure? My biggest success story is
probably just the impact that I've made on a lot of people.
Like, I know it's kind of general, but being able to lead

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a group of people and just sort of lead them all and all of us
just moving in the same direction, when all of that's
clicking, it's just like a beautiful thing, man.
I just never seen anything like it.
There's like, I don't wouldn't compare it to I know you guys
are music guys, so I wouldn't compare it to a high on getting
on stage. But it's like that where it's
just like when you know, just everything's going right.
It's just like money, man. No, but where it would compare

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is having the hive mind. We all have to be on the same
page at the exact same time to make that happen, right?
If there's one person that's notclicking that particular night,
that will drag the whole thing down South.
I can relate to it on that levelfor sure, yeah.
And from an entre and from an entre entrepreneur, I can't
speak today Entrepreneurship it's.

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A tough word. Big words I'm actually for, for
lack of, I mean realistically that's what I am because I've
been selling houses for 25 years.
So, you know, nobody finds me unless I'm out there presenting
myself to the world. So same kind of mindset, like my
high from what I do is, is when I actually get those buyers

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under contract because I get that negotiation going on.
And once the negotiation finalized and, and you know, the
terms and conditions meld together, that's that's where my
excitement comes in. Like, you know, especially my
first timers, because they thinkit's so far away from being able
to become a homeowner and build that wealth, at least start
building that wealth because, you know, wealth is built in

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real estate from part of that aspect.
That's exciting to me. That's where I get that dopamine
high that, you know, runner's high, if you call it, because
even though, you know, athlete, my wife and I have probably
done, you know, 100 races, 60 ofthem being at least half
marathons. I never really got runner's
high. But I started noticing that
every time I got those first timers under contract.
Like that was the thing, man, that was the excitement.

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That was the, you know, the juice.
Oh, let's do this again, you know, So I get what you're doing
what you're saying, because it is, it's cool to build things
in, in, you know, get to the point with me.
Like, like she asked me the other day.
We we were getting lit up with requests to be on the show.
She's like, how are they having fun?
I'm like, I do is Google me. I'm like, I had somebody Google
my license plate one time in a parking lot and because it's an

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acronym for real estate guy, allmy stuff came up.
So they called me. You're parked in the wrong spot.
You know, it's funny you say that though, because I just
heard somebody say the other dayon a podcast, I was listening to
that same thing where she's still at kind of as a mindset.
We were all there at one time, right where we were trying to be
private while we were online andeverybody is has abandoned.

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I mean, I'm still a little in onNikki side where, you know,
every now and then I'm like, do I really want to do that?
And then you wow, my name's beenout there for at least 1015
years now online. We're doing everything online.
If you're going to get hacked, you're going to get hacked at
this point, you know? Yeah, I don't carry a business
card around anymore. I just don't.
I got AI, got a virtual card. But like even then I'm just like

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just I'm so easy to find. Just literally just search my
name, find me. Yeah, I carry business cards
only when I'm showing houses andwhen I first meet somebody
because I'm still old school like that.
But I put them on every counter when I show houses.
And the reason behind that is? I've got this.
I've got this thing called BlinkBLINQ.
It's been a game changer. Really.
Yeah, I freaking love it. It's it comes with the whole UR,

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the whole code and stuff like that.
But you put all your informationand it saves right onto their
phone. But the beauty is whether they
save it or not, you get their information.
Oh, hey. And then it comes like in a
list. So like these are the contacts
of just like the last event thatI went to.
So now I can follow up with them.
Oh, that's a oh, so you just bump phones basically.

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Yeah, that's it. I just pulled it up.
That's cool. So is it kind of so it's like I
have link tree so. I and it's free.
That way. Oh, that's even better.
Yes. That's my favorite 4 letter
word, yes. It's free.
Wow, I love it. I love it.
Somebody introduced that to me acouple weeks ago.
Like, like literally it's like amonth ago and I've been, I've
been braving about it. Wonder how they do that free

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because I'm looking at the I'm looking at the 2.5 million
people across 500,000 companies using it and some of the
companies that are on this thingare insane.
I don't know but the guy that told me he's like it's free,
don't pay for the paid version. The free is good enough and I've
been using the free and it is maybe there's like a Max of
contacts who knows. I'm sure there's that maybe
there that could probably happen, but I'm not there yet.

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I bet that's it. I bet corporations are footing
the bill because they probably have 500 people on it.
Like Vince said, you know, when you get to the paid version, you
probably have to pay to have that many contacts.
So they're probably footing the bill for the rest of us, which
is awesome. Which?
Is great. Can you customize it?
Because I see on I'm on their page and OK, OK.
So limited on the customizationstoo, Like there's like a four or

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five different customizations, which is fine by me.
And you could put all your information and it looks super
rad to be honest. Like it's just like it's got all
the stuff. You can put all your social
media accounts as well on there,which is really cool.
I love it. It's cool, yeah, because the.
Entrepreneurs out there, what isthat?
Again, blink, blink BLINQ. Very cool.
It does have a link down here that says start your free 30 day

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trial. So maybe they're maybe they're
expanding. Oh my gosh, you can sync your
CRM with this thing in seconds. That's insane.
Maybe getting excited, ladies and gentlemen.
Well, the CRM part of it, maybe that's the, that's where you're
going to have to pay because youknow someone like me that has a
database that would be a trip tobe able to just wow.
That's pretty cool. So then you can put them into

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your CRM and then you can start putting them into like that
e-mail nurture or something likethat for your newsletter.
For those of us not in the know,what is CRM?
Client retention management. So it's.
It's the software you use for your business to keep track of
clients. Yep.
OK. Basically like if you were still
here in Arizona, you'd you'd andstill living in the house I sold
you, Mike, years and years ago, you'd be getting drips.

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You'd. Be Where do you guys live?
I live in Arizona. Illinois, Tampa.
There you go. Wow, we span in the country.
Again, we totally span in the country.
We're literally like, and I see our boxes are like here, here.
It's like exactly where we live.Oh, that is there you go and you
guys just kind of I just if you're a football fan, I just
saw this morning that that TampaBay you you guys resigned your

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coach in GM. Yeah, so I'm I will never claim
Tampa. I am born and raised in the
county of Dade, Miami, FL. OK, so Dolphins.
All day, unfortunately. I've been here for seven years
though. Well, you did win what Dolphins
have won one Super Bowl, right? And they have the they have the
the legacy of the undefeated. Season defeated season.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm over it though.
I'm over. It I know.
Yeah, I wasn't alive. I had.
The 85 bears? Yeah, I'm with you.
Yeah, see, I have at least I have the the, the Giants on my
side where it's. Everybody's got theirs.
I'm like the only guy that doesn't have it.
It's been so fucking long. Can I curse?
You can curse. You can.
Ridiculous, man. It shows you're human, man.

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It's 15 years, season ticket holder, guys, 15 years and you
don't want to know what my highlight was.
It's Greg Camarillo running downthe sideline all the way,
scoring a touchdown in overtime for the one win of the season.
The one, it was one in 15 so that we didn't go O in 16.

(10:09):
See, that would have been a nicelittle thing flip flop, right?
We're the we're, you know, the only undefeated perfect Steven
ever. And oh, by the way, now we
actually never won a game this season.
Like the book, end of it book and in book ending the legacy of
the Dolphins. My other highlight is the one
playoff game that I went to, OK,Chad Pennington's at
quarterback. Yeah, yeah.
And I've got, I'm probably like I'm row 6 corner end zone and

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I'm with my cousin and we're like, we're always like watching
like, you know, we pretend like we know we're talking about
we're watching exes. And I swear to God guys,
Pennington steps back and we're like corner.
So we're behind him. Dude.
I, I see Ed Reed in the corner and me and my cousin just were
like, no, Pennington doesn't fucking see him and just throws

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it. And Ed Reed does his Ed Reed
thing and he just comes across Pick 6.
And we were just like, we saw itand Chad didn't see it.
That's my that's my one playoff memory.
OK. But see, that's so true, right?
When you're watching football, you see things on the couch or
in the stadium that you don't understand why the quarterback
doesn't see it. Because you have an overhead

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view. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. I mean, I mean, I was, I was a
huge chat, chat painting. I mean, that season was fun
because we actually won and we went to the playoffs, but I
don't even think we won a playoff game in the last.
Like I was telling my friends that my friends are still like,
oh, Dolphins. I'm just like, dude, I'm so over
it. Like we're just cursed.
Did you know that that stadium is built on an Indian burial
ground? No.

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I did not. We're fucking cursed.
You guys really got me going. No, that's cool.
We're football fans. So, so here's a question for you
then. Since you're a lifelong Dolphins
fan, what are your thoughts on Dan Marino?
Well, The funny thing about thatis that I didn't really become a
Dolphins fan until I actually graduated high school.
I was, my parents weren't huge football fans, so for some

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reason they were all in on the 49ers because in the 80s they
were winning the Super Bowl. They were winning on the Super
Bowl. So I go away for high school and
I go to the school called Slippery Rock University.
You ever heard of it? No.
Small school outside of Pennsylvania lights up.
Sorry. Small school outside of
Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. I was playing tennis.
I was playing college tennis forthem.
OK, OK. It was like the one school in
the country I went, I got a degree in sports management and

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that was like one of the top rated schools.
Super small, but a top rated school in sports management.
So I go to that school and if I would have gotten a dollar for
every time somebody asked me what the fuck are you doing here
because I'm from Miami, FL not Miami.
OH, right, Miami, FL and I'm in Slippery Rock, 2 traffic lights
in the whole town, 45 minutes outside of Pittsburgh.

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And I just, yeah, I became really proud of my city as like,
oh, Miami, Miami. And then I just became a huge
Dolphin fan because I wanted to represent my city.
And then when I came back, my dad was nice enough to give me
with one season of season tickets and then I took it from
there and I just became, I mean,I'm a die hard, I'm not even a
big sports fan anymore that much.
I'm so focused on like family and business and stuff like
that. But the Dolphins I sit down for,

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I mean, the Dolphins are like mything.
That's cool. Got to have a thing man.
Got to have a thing. So let's talk a little bit about
what you do now, because again, before you came on the show, I
noticed you were live on Facebook doing AQ and a session.
Now when you do that, are you live on YouTube as well or just
Facebook? Yeah, I go on stream Yard, so I
do. I do YouTube, Instagram and

(13:23):
Facebook OK the same time. And is that all?
Is that tide stream yard? I've never heard of that.
So can you do all the? Same thing as Riverside.
Oh, OK, OK. I think Riverside can do it.
I know we're we're we're streaming live right now on
YouTube. Every time we we have some in
the show, we go live on YouTube.So simultaneously right now and
there's a little bit of a delay,but.
Can you go live on different social media channels?

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Yeah, we're also on Twitch. You can go on anyone you want as
long as you have the URL. Right.
So there we are live on YouTube.It's a little bit of a delay.
Like I think you're talking about how bad the Dolphins are.
Probably. But I got the giants, man, so I
feel you, OK? Dude, you win every 10 years,
Chris. Chris, you win every 10 years.

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Do it. Do they do the math?
We've been waiting since 85. South, Who's your team, Mike?
The Bears. The Bears.
The bears. The bears are pretty bad.
The bears are pretty bad too. I'm not going to lie.
They. Turned a little bit though they.
Got we Every year. Every year my buddies and I get
together and we try to go to an away game and we went to the

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Chicago game a couple years back.
And they were really bad a couple years back.
Yeah, but that son of a bitch quarterback ran all over us.
We got the win, but they ran. Oh, that was Jeff Fields.
He went off. Yeah, OK.
You. Remember that game?
I do remember it now that you bring it to my.
He went off. I think he had over 200 yards
rushing. Some craziness.
We could not stop him for nothing.

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But that offense was terrible. Oh, it's terrible.
I think he, I think he broke therecord for the least amount of
time to throw the ball after thesnap.
Probably. You know, like over an average
of the season, he had less time to throw than any other
quarterback in the history of the NFL.
That's how bad the offensive line was.
I was screaming like, just tackle.

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He was so fast. So fast, so fast.
OK, OK. So that was my scroll moment.
Let's go back to what you what you do and and your your Q&A.
Now you do the Q&A sessions liveevery day or is it specifically
once a week? What?
No, my show we do. I do a podcast on Mondays which
is. Podcast.
It is. It's on the YouTube show.
It's at YouTube official, at YouTube, at Vince Perry

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official. It's called Beyond the Claim.
OK, beyond the. Claim I was a public adjuster
for 16 years and I recently madea switch to like not do that
anymore. OK, because the industry is
dying. So that's on Mondays is the
guest show, Wednesdays is my solo show, and then Fridays I go
live. OK, so we have beyond the claim
on Mondays and then the Vince Perry show on Wednesdays.

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Is there you you show have a name or just your name?
Just my name right now, my goal's been, I've kind of
switched to the personal brand. That's like the thing that I've
noticed a lot of people doing. So I try to just name everything
by my name. And I'm trying to really explode
that and really get the word outthere just about
entrepreneurship, business, scaling your business.

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And ultimately what I do for a living and what I'm scaling
right now is the exit strategy business brokering side of it.
OK. So if you were to, if Mike, you
had a company and you wanted to sell it to somebody else, you'd
basically hire a broker to market it for you and find a
buyer and broker the entire deal.
OK. OK.
So that's what you're kind of going into now.

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Yeah. But along with that, I created a
product that we're selling called the Valley Clarity
Report. And then from there, there's a
subscription model to increase the value of your business so
you can get to that dream numberthat you want to sell for.
Oh. Right on.
That's cool. That is cool.
That's one of that's one of manymillions of businesses you've
created. Not millions of businesses, but
definitely there's been several and several failures, that's for

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sure. Well, you know, like we say,
it's not how you fall, it's how you get back up, right?
Well, I'm really good at gettingback up.
I will admit that because I readthat every time I hear that or
read that, I'm just like, all right, well, I think I've got
that down. I don't.
I don't normally spend too much time down and out.
I tell people that you could have try not to have bad days or
bad weeks and obviously not bad months.
Try to have bad moments because get the moment and then you

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realize it, you see it, you feelit, you hear it, listen to it
and then move it along. Yeah, I've had the have the
mindset of it's from Brian Buffini, which is a real estate
coach guru that you win the day.So you you win every moment.
You to win the day you got to win.
There's 24 hours in a day, right?
So you got to win the majority of those hours in that day to
win the day. Then if you win the week, again,
you have seven days a week. So you got to win, you know, the

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majority. So you got to win at least four
days that week and then win the month, you know, a certain
amount of days in the month, 1617 days in the month
depending, and then you got to win the year.
Yeah. And for me, I got like, I got
like 5 things that I have to do pretty much every day.
And it's like I, I need to exercise.
I need to, I need to exercise. I obviously need to eat right.
I need to read for at least 30 minutes a day.

(17:59):
I need to review my goals. Something that I've implemented
that that right there has been agame changer over the last six
months or so. It's just not just setting the
goals because too many of us setthe goals and then never
freaking look at them again. So I review them every morning
and every evening and sometimes during the day.
I've even written a story for myself of like my ultimate life

(18:21):
of what it's going to look like,the big ass house on the water
and the Corvette and all that stuff.
I've written that story out in present tense.
So I'll read that and then and then as far as the social media
personal brand and the business,I have to post on social media
three times a day. OK.
And I have to do 5 opens. An open is basically me reaching

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out to you guys to be on your podcast, me reaching out to
someone who just followed me whomight be a potential client,
stuff like that. Cool, that's.
Cool. You'll be surprised.
Everybody that likes, everybody that likes and comments and
follows you on social media is obviously somebody that's
interested in what you are, whatyou are sort of providing,

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whether that be just for the content, which is cool.
And I asked the question, I'm like, hey, do you want to scale
your business to sell it one dayor you just here for the
content? So I qualify them right there.
Nice. And if they're just here for the
content, like cool. Thanks so much for following.
I really appreciate it. Yeah, I like to call that like
levels, levels of engagement, right?
At what level did they engage? Did they engage?

(19:26):
Because I posted it? You know, that was a guest they
liked, right? They don't give a shit about
Chris or I. They care about that guest.
So that's the minimal level of engagement and that's cool.
That's awesome. Glad, glad they were on there.
A Vince Perry fan, right, Right.And then there is a level where
there are just a Chris or just amic or a both of us fan.
You know, I found there's just levels of why people stop by to

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listen to what you have to offer.
So I like the way you explained that.
I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm definitely, I've been
doing the podcast now. I took a little bit the the
Wednesday show. I haven't missed a Wednesday in
five years. And that's just to remind people
that's your personal stuff. That's the solo show.
Well, it's all in the same channel though.
Right. Well, sure.
The solo show we, we made a rulewith the team or like it doesn't

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matter if there's a freaking warin Iran or if there is whatever
tragic event that could possiblyhappen like every Wednesday
you're coming out with that show.
The Monday, the podcast, we usedto sort of do it every once in a
while, this and that. But my point that I wanted to
make is that one thing I've learned with having a guest on,
and it's the same thing like when you're watching a sports

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guest or you're watching normally when you have a guest
on, it's something it's like, it's our responsibility as the
interviewers to just like let the guests shine.
You know what I'm saying? I've seen a lot of podcasts
where it's, it's the, it's the host talking over the guests a
lot and interrupting them a lot.And I learned that after
watching a few podcasts, I'm like, OK, I'm going to have just

(20:54):
one rule and it's just going to be to shut the fuck up.
Stop right there. Stop right there.
You just hit my hot button issue.
Because what I hate is when I'm listening to a podcast and
someone is making a brilliant fucking point and in the middle
of that point that might last five minutes, here's what you
hear. Yeah, that's great.

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Oh, spectacular. I don't.
I don't mind that it's a nervous.
Fucking tick man and it drives me nuts.
I don't mind that as much as what happens.
What I, what I notice is that ifsomeone says something
interesting and you as the guest, like you could relate to
it and you want to, you just interject with your comment

(21:37):
because you find it so interesting.
What happens at is that it derails them.
It it derails the guest. And then they're like just
reacting to what you just said when you don't know what was
going to be said like in the next 30 seconds or one minute.
And every time I catch myself wanting to say something,
especially because I don't want to forget.

(21:59):
That's the hard part about beinga host as you forget is I'll,
I'll stop myself. And then a lot of times what
comes after that is gold. By not derailing them, you know.
And I agree with that side of it, too.
You don't want to miss the pointthat the guest had.
I think one thing, you know, Chris was on the radio.
For how long were you on? A year on iheart Real Talk USA

(22:23):
with the real estate guy. And he said initially that was
one of the one things that he learned right off the bat was
you know how to fill that space without being annoying.
And it is tough. You have to know where you need
to interject to keep the guest going, to not derail them.
That was a good way to put it, you know.
Yeah, it's tough. It's definitely tough.

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And our approach to this too is,is we don't interview anybody.
We have conversations. So when people reach out, want
to be on the show, it's like, I want to be interviewed.
Well, that's not what we do. Go watch a couple episodes and
understand how we approach this because it's the same concept,
Vince, We want, we want you to share your knowledge and drop
your knowledge bombs. And we want you to plug yourself
and what you're doing, your business as your avenues, how
people find you, which is why amI asked?

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You know, and that's important because I mean, I love the
conversations we have, but I also, Mike and I both want to
help whoever we're we're talkingto get their stuff out there.
And, you know, when this is all said, then you're going to have
10 to 15 shorts just from the show, which, and you can use
this however you want, right? And, but that's the benefit of

(23:25):
it. It's, it's, it's, it's not just
we want this for us. We, we wanted, Mike wanted to do
this because we have such a longfriendship together and and we
know each other so well. But it was also a way to just
have conversations and meet new people like you and just, you
know, everybody helps everybody.You know, we, we don't, if
you've watched some of our stuff, which I'm sure you have,

(23:46):
it's never really about us. I mean, our stuff kind of pops
in there because of the conversation leads there, but
it's not like, oh, look at us, look at us.
You know, it's like, let's look at vents and let's have a
conversation around what he does.
Well, I think it's good to know too that this show's more
conversational. So then it's OK.
Like my show is very, it's more interview.
Like I have a list of questions.I do research, I do a little bit

(24:07):
of research before and I get sort of everything sort of, I
mean, it doesn't take me long. It's like 10 minutes like prep
and stuff like that. But I get a good idea of what I
want to ask. And I'm, I'm interject.
I'm not interject. I'm like, I'm, I'm elaborating a
little bit on what they say. But for the most part, it's a
lot of questions. Yeah, I'm much more.
Mine's probably much more interview style.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
I listen to a lot of podcasts like that.

(24:28):
Because that's how you learn, right?
I would consider that a podcast I would go to, to be educated.
And that's where Rogan became anenigma.
Because you get educated and youlaugh your ass off at the same
time and sometimes cry. And you know, it just, it became
something bigger than him and itjust, it's its own entity.

(24:49):
Chris described this perfectly. Because being in a band together
thousands of times, practice would end, the gig would end,
and there was always the aftermath, right?
And for me, that was almost morefun than being on stage
sometimes because the conversations that would ensue
in those hours after we were done being hyper creative,

(25:10):
right? So all the energies flowing
through all four of us or however many people are sitting
in that particular circle at thetime, and just the conversations
that would happen. I missed that, you know, and he
was the first person I thought of because he was there for all
of them, right? You know who initiated a lot of
these conversations? Chris?
Myself, the guys in the band, right?

(25:32):
It's. A.
Beautiful thing, the podcast thing right I.
Fucking it is. And what Rogan did, man, wow his
show. My idea was that same initial
starting that he had where he was sitting on a couch.
I'm like, yeah, imagine sitting on a couch acting like you've
known these people forever and getting to know who they are and
what makes them creative and what made what made Vince want

(25:54):
to come on here and tell the world his story, right?
Because not everybody wants to do that.
I found that as well. And Chris has found that as
well. It's like they might reach out
to you, but then when push comesto shove and like, hey, you're
going to come on the show. Oh, wait, I don't know.
I'm not really ready for that. And that's fine too.
Yeah, nobody has time for those people.
That's a boring show if you're not going to come out and just,

(26:17):
you know, say it like it is. That's funny.
Yeah, Rogan, man. Wow, talk about a visionary.
Like he did the podcast before anybody even knew what a podcast
was. But you know who he would credit
is Adam Corolla and Tom Green. Yeah, because they were on his
show a lot in the beginning, right.
And they gave him the no Tom Green.

(26:37):
That's right. That's right.
I know that's. Right built an entire television
studio in his basement, and Rogan saw it with his own eyes
because they were friends. And he went, Jesus, you have a
television studio in your basement.
He said Podcast. Huge cables running, you know,
because you had to have all thisbig time equipment back then.
Probably cost him, I don't know,half a million or $1,000,000 to

(26:58):
do that. Well, you can afford it at the
time. Absolutely.
He was making good money being on television.
But Rogan would just like I would attribute my success as a
musician to the many people who taught me about what it took to
be a musician, which is far morethan knowing how to play.
That's just a given. He would credit these people
like Adam Corolla. They call him the pod father.

(27:18):
He did the first podcast that anybody knows of, really.
And then, yeah. And then Tom Green, of course,
and Adam Corolla, of course, because after Adam got kicked
off that Love Line show, he ended up doing a podcast because
he had a mountain of bills to cover from being a rich man and

(27:39):
all of a sudden, you know, he doesn't have any income.
He turned to podcasting as well.So that was all before Rogan and
he's been really good about attributing that, you know,
that's. Interesting.
I wasn't the first I saw these guys doing this and I thought it
would be a cool idea, so I had some time on my hands and the
rest is history because he started out with a laptop and a

(27:59):
couch in his office, just like Chris is sitting there right
now. And I remember him telling that
story too, because he had been on Fear Factor and he had been
on What's that show? News Radio, News Radio.
And he was just sick and tired of all the all the Hollywood
bullshit too. And he liked the idea of just
being off away from all of that stuff.
But he had what he called fuck you money from fear factor.

(28:22):
He didn't have to ever work another day in his.
Life he had fuck you money. Those checks just keep rolling
in. Well, he and so as along with
News Radio too, because that's still in syndication.
It is that. Was a great show.
Yeah, yeah, it's still, it's still reruns.
Yep. Yeah.
That's what I remember him from.That's I remember Joe Rogan.
I do too. Yeah, I watch that in.
The 90s for sure, yeah, yeah. Phil Hartman.

(28:42):
I mean, such a great cast, man Andy Dick, that redhead chick,
you know, there's so many little, the characters, the guy.
Andy Dickens the. Kathy Griffin, that's what.
It was Kathy Griffin, the one. Yeah, she did that.
She did the Donald Trump thing. That's right.
The guy that ran the station, Stephen Root.
Yeah, Stephen. One of the best character actors
in Hollywood. Right, right.

(29:03):
Do you remember that TV show Barry on HBO?
Absolutely. Yes.
Yeah, he was on that. He was the.
I forget what he was to bury, but yeah, just he.
Was unjustified. Who are you talking about, Mike?
What's the name? Stephen Root.
Stephen Root. He was the owner of the radio
station right on News Radio, TheEccentric.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great.

(29:23):
He's great. Yeah, yeah.
I don't remember him on News Radio.
I don't remember him on News Radio.
He was younger, but he's still. Kind of space, yeah.
Oh yeah, he was building an office.
Space. Well, he's the stapler guy.
Yeah, that's that's why I reallyremember him.
The stapler. Guy about that.
That was yeah, yeah. Barry I never got into.
I know the show but I never got into it.

(29:45):
I liked it from the simple fact that it was it was a twist on on
being a a hired hit man. Right, right.
It just, it just A twist on it was interesting because Mike and
I are kind of we, we like the whole serial killer, you know,
stuff and the weird things like my wife is all into crime.
Why are these women all into this stuff?
I don't get it. My wife too.

(30:05):
It's the weirdest thing in. Case they need to get rid of us
I think. I guess I don't.
I, I look and I'm like, why do you watch this?
She's like, I like it. I'm like OK.
I'm getting educated. Nikki goes through cycles where
she she'll be in the bathroom getting ready for the day and
and you'll have like SUV on law and orders.
Right now she's got I'm looking at her because she's in the
laundry room. She's watching Bridgeton right

(30:25):
now. Again, Vince asked why do women
get into the into the crime shows?
What's your answer to that? Helping us in.
Case we have to kill somebody, they kill you that's.
What? She said.
Vince, hopefully I told you. Yeah.
We have to kill somebody. I told you.
I heard that the that the crime shows podcasts are some of the

(30:46):
most listened to podcasts. That's a true story.
Not surprising. It's the true story aspect,
right? It's the true life, people.
We're voyeurs by nature, right? And we're nosy by nature.
Yes. Because you, you, even though
you don't eavesdrop, you still hear conversations because
people don't understand their space, right?
Like you, you, I'm sure you've all experienced it where you're

(31:07):
somewhere and somebody's on the phone and you're hearing their
conversation and it's like, OK, stop that.
But that's technology, right? But I think that's part of it.
We all, which is why I think social media is what it is.
We all want to know what everybody else is doing.
Is that fear of missing out you?Know, but I don't want to know
how they killed. I mean they don't understand.
I mean, I guess. I think he just described it be

(31:30):
I try to mind my own business, but I'm as guilty as anybody if
I'm standing in a line waiting to get some food or something
and I hear this lady on the phone and she says, oh, did you
know that Steven is fucking Jane's wife?
You're going to listen, You know, especially if that
conversation starts to get juicy.
It's just human nature. Yeah, well.
Do you remember when the first reality show Survivor?

(31:52):
You remember that when that launched, like right after the
Super Bowl and it was like the first?
Reality show was the real world.Well, the real world, you're
right, but I feel like Survivor was like, that's when it like
put it on the map, the whole reality show.
And then I thought I was like, remember all those reality shows
that came out and I'm sure you guys were one of like, like me
were just like, God, television sucks now.

(32:13):
It's all these reality shows, but it's like what you guys are
saying. People want to know what the
real people are doing. Right.
But the the the downside of thatis they scripted that stuff.
So it wasn't. Even that pure.
Really reality it was you had tohave storylines because if you
think about it, the like, like the, the real estate ones that
like the LA, you know, the brothers and shit, all they show

(32:34):
is the glamour part of what I dofor a living.
They don't show the chaos, the struggle, the UPS.
And like you don't walk into a $20 million house.
I'm going to buy this, you know,give me a break.
There's behind. The scenes in 1/2 hour Chris.
Right in 1/2 an hour. Don't you sell $1,000,000 houses
every 28 minutes? 22 commercials.
Right. So we, Nikki and I, used to

(32:54):
watch the Alaskan Bush People because it was cool.
But by the time I think you got to the third season, then you
could kind of tell your script and everything and you it loses
value, at least it did for us. Because then it's not true.
It's not real and raw, right? Real world.
Even though it wasn't, it was probably scripted at some level
for the first, you know, not so much.
I think the first season I. Don't think the couple for.

(33:15):
I don't think the first couple seasons were not scripted at all
because some crazy shit happened.
But then as it evolved, yeah. But as it evolved, they had to
because I think they're losing viewers and I think the same
Survivor, I mean, anything that's reality based now I think
you have they have so many underlying tones and you know
where you got to go. I at one point in time in my

(33:36):
career, there's this thing they were doing in Arizona called a
millionaire mindset. And it was, it was real estate
related. And they were trying to a
millionaire mindset. Yeah.
And and they were trying to generate a a reality TV show
based around a group of Realtors.
OK, so you had to go through thedifferent phases you had to
have, you have to be successful at certain point of transactions
and lengthen business, things like that.

(33:57):
I'll make it a short story. The 3rd the 3rd event we're
doing. I'm going to sit down.
I like the vibe. OK, the third event we're doing,
they pull us aside and basicallyare telling us to create drama
where it didn't exist because there wasn't enough drama with
just having these ten different Realtors in this room that we're

(34:18):
they're trying to put together ashow on.
And I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm not creating drama this
other. Just hit exactly everything that
I've heard about. So like, when people are on the
fence about, you know, we're dissing on a lot of their
favorite shows right now, right?Yeah, so.
No, no, no. I just want I always want people

(34:39):
to know the truth, right. So the scripted part of it is
exactly what Chris just described.
Every producer that I've ever listened to on a podcast or seen
on a documentary that talked about the scripted part of these
things. And this all started with Jerry
Springer. If if we're being.
That was a good documentary on Jerry Springer and that was
great. Tastic yes, if you haven't seen

(34:59):
it and even if you didn't like Jerry Springer, you're going to
learn who Jerry was and how thatshow came to be.
It's fucking phenomenal. But what Chris just described is
what these producers describe. They will tell, like use the
Real Housewives for example. You know, a lot of that
cattiness would have never happened.

(35:20):
But they drop little hints to, you know, like there's not
enough drama going on. So they tell the one lady that
the other lady said something she would have never known
otherwise in real life, right? So it's little stuff like that.
And then all of a sudden the cameras roll and she's got that
tidbit of information and she just goes right at her because
she's going to overact being on camera anyway.

(35:40):
It's all psychology. Yep, Yep.
So when they when they dropped that bomb, I was like, I was
out. And in that in that final piece
I was in, this guy was trying tobait me because he was doing
what the show wanted, what the producers told him to do.
And then after the show, he was this punk ass dude.
And I'm after I'm like, dude, I'm not like, see you like, you
know, I probably said some select things to him and then

(36:01):
later on in life, I ended up crossing paths with him in wake
up warrior and he actually recalled all that and was
apologetic and kind of like, youknow, 12 step type thing and
tried to make amends for him. I'm like, dude, I I remember
your face, but I don't remember that enough that I would have
cared because that's how insignificant that was in my
life. It was an opportunity that I

(36:23):
was, I was happy to go for. But then when I realized that
they wanted that drama, I didn'twant that drama.
I didn't want that box opened upinto my life because we had some
stuff going on with with one of our family members that I just,
yeah, that's I don't need that out in the world because that's
going to derail that person's progress.
So I just like, yeah, I'm out. See you.

(36:44):
And then I watched it kind of progress limp along.
They had a couple episodes that they shot and it just kind of
fell flat because it just wasn't10 Realtors in a room was not
interesting. She's not.
Now, if you have 10 female Realtors, no offense, female
Realtors that will sell because the drama comes along with that
because they're they're like yousaid on the Real Housewife,

(37:07):
they're catty. They're like, you know, it's
just it doesn't work. You don't.
You have to, you have to find the right group of people to
make something like that work and I just don't think they they
were effective in doing so. I'm still friends with quite a
few of them. Well, I think one thing that you
said in there that the three of us would have have in common
that you don't find in a lot of people, which I've found because

(37:29):
they think it's weird, is we don't hang on to shit for years,
right? Unless it's something that I
have to fix about me, right? And it's something like, if it's
something you did to me, I'm notholding a girl, I forgive you,
right? Forgiveness is for me.
That's what people don't understand, you know, I'm not a
religious person. I but if you've been taught

(37:51):
forgiveness through religion, I think people always have it
backwards. It's for you to be able to heal,
to move on with your life, right?
Agreed. I don't hang on to shit that
people have done to me. Let it go.
I can't fix it. I'm not them, right?
I can only fix me. Can't.
Yeah, you can't. You can't hold on to that stuff.
If not, that's going to hold youback for a while.
I was listening to Have you guysever been to a Tony Robbins

(38:13):
event? I bought his tapes back when he
still answered the phone in the 90s.
Shut up. No, he actually answered the
phone when I ordered them. Wow, that's hilarious.
Yeah, late night infomercial. I know that he's got he's got
date with destiny coming up in the summer.
Whatever, I digress. Spotify, now I didn't know, has

(38:34):
all kinds of audiobooks that if.You found them myself, buddy.
I think they just put them on there.
Dude I kept buying freaking books on audio Inaudible and
they're all on Spotify with my membership.
For free. And the other day I just felt
like searching Tony Robbins and they have Date with Destiny or
the other one, like the entire recording, the entire live
recording. So I'm listening to it and

(38:56):
there's one particular section that's interesting.
What happens in business is you burn sometimes relationships
because money or the business get in the way.
To me, that's the hardest thing about business, about being the
owner of the business and havingto make tough decisions that

(39:17):
sometimes are going to better you and your family and be worse
for sometimes the other people around you.
And it could develop some some interesting things.
And anyway, he mentions when you're talking about forgiveness
and stuff like that, he mentionslike, because he's probably, you
know, he's talking to most likely a bunch of entrepreneurs

(39:38):
and business owners, stuff like that, very successful.
And he talks about if you have any of that, if you have any,
any of those business relationships that went sour and
stuff like that. He talks about a whole practice
of picking up the phone and calling them and literally just
saying, Hey, I'm not here to talk.
We're not here to, you know, we don't have to rekindle anything.

(39:58):
I just want you to know that we had some good times, you know,
and they were great. And I want you to know that like
I'm totally cool that I'm here for you.
And if there's anything that youneed or whatever it is that like
it's all in the past and stuff like that, like doing things
like that, like could, if there is that you're, if there are, if
there is anything that you are holding on to doing something

(40:19):
like that is like very releasing.
It's just something that I've been thinking about cause.
No, we lost Vince's audio. Lost Vince, we lost you, Vince,
we can't hear you. And that was that was like the
the crescendo of the he can. Hear us.
He knows. I know.
I know he was making a. Yeah.

(40:39):
And what I was when we respondedthat when he was done was.
Where'd you lose me? There you are from a business
standpoint. About the last 10 words.
Yeah, but you got to be, there'sthat cut throat element, right?
Because if you look at all the massively successful people that
have built empires, they're cut throat like crazy.
Like they they'll step on their mother's throat just to get to
where they want to go, because that's all they see, right?

(41:02):
I just listen to a whole podcaston that too.
And can you guys hear me that? Kind of person, yeah.
We can hear you again. Yeah, the other just.
Like your last sentence, which was unfortunately the best.
Part no, it's just what I was going to say was like, I mean,
unfortunately is that there's there's a a couple people that
popped into my head where I'm just like, man.
Well, yeah, but that's human. Nature, man, I don't even have
the guts to do it yet. I don't know about that.

(41:22):
I think about it. OK, that's OK.
We're going to challenge you, Vince.
Do that. Just do it just like you just
said. You just call them.
Hey, hey, Chris. You know, we had some good
times. We had bad times, you know, you
know, sorry I stepped on your neck to get to where I wanted to
be, but it was, it was the step I had to take.
You know, I did it in my personal life.
I had one relationship that never should have ended because

(41:44):
I was the reason it ended. I went through a horrible time
in my life. And to be able to tell that
person that I was wrong and theydidn't do anything wrong in my
eyes, I was a horrible person then, was one of the most
liberating things I've. Done.
That's what I heard, yeah. Shaving my head, you know.

(42:06):
Oh wow, look at that. Yeah, well, he did it in like
1994 for the first time when it was completely socially
unacceptable. Been doing it ever since man.
It's funny, right? Like, I don't know, man, like
you just just go through life and it's you have your awakening
moments. Like for me, 26 years old, I had
like a huge awakening experience.

(42:28):
It was an amazing experience. It was on mushrooms as well, but
it was, it was a true, true awakening experience.
And then like you have another one in your 30s, but then you
get another one in your 40s and it's just.
Like go back to go back to the 26 shoulder.
You can't just dangle that carrot and not tell the story,
Vince. Yeah, man, I had three bad
breakups. Like everything that's
everybody's. I think that's every man's
awakening experience is usually bad breakups.

(42:49):
It's one of them. A big one.
It's usually that in business, it's always, I always say it's
money and women are like, if youcan figure those two things out,
you're good. You get a good woman and you
make enough money, you don't have to worry about it.
Like that's it. You could coast for it pretty
much after that, Yeah, No. And then I was with my buddies
and I, I took mushrooms and, andit was, I had stuck kind of, I

(43:09):
was with my cousin and with my friends kind of started having a
little bit of a bad trip or whatever.
We went, I went home and and like everybody went home.
And then I was like in my apartment by myself and I don't
know, it just all I thought it was done and it just fucking
came roaring right back around. And it was just one of those
moments. Like I just started bawling,
bawling, crying, just crying like freaking head off.

(43:29):
And I just ultimately then had the biggest smile on my face.
I remember my dog Monty, like hesaw me and he just came to me
and like was with me and it was just the weirdest thing.
Like in a matter of minutes or seconds, I saw like my entire
life from birth to that moment right there.
And then I saw the rest of my life, from that moment to the to
the end. Ever.
Done DMT. Absolutely, I've got some

(43:52):
ketamine in the house if you want some.
So I described I described my DMT trip as I lived like 1/2 a
year somewhere else in about 12 minutes.
I compare it to seeing God. Yeah, that's a good one.
And I also call it the rocket ship.
That's another good one. It is a fucking it's pretty

(44:17):
good. Yeah, I, I, I enjoy if if you
got to the only thing I don't like about DMT is I think you
got to you got to like we, we had it in a in a vape form and
you have to like take a lot of it to really go to that, to that
next level. But honestly, I think it's
probably great for definitely for depression and anxiety
because at least after you come down from it, you're just like
this like chill, like, wow, amazing experience.

(44:38):
The ketamine I haven't tried, but what I've heard about
ketamine, it's actually used a lot of for therapy.
There's a lot of, there's a lot of therapists know that they're
getting licensed to, to administer ketamine.
It's like it's a little bit different.
It's from what I've heard, it's nothing like DMT where it's not
as psychedelic as like trippy and stuff like that.

(45:00):
It's just much more you're kind of in your head and there's a
lot of clarity that comes about from it and you just really
clear some stuff up. I haven't done it yet.
The pending though, because I have a podcast guest actually
next week. She is a therapist and she is
she is able to administer ketamine so I'm considering
doing it. Doing it on the show, that's
what. Alicia was going to get, she was

(45:21):
going to get license to do. Oh, Alicia Shield.
Therapy. It's like a thing now.
Yeah, it's like a new thing. So I got to try it.
Yeah, see, I've never done the mushroom thing.
I've written songs that Mike actually thought that I went
down that path, but it just because.
If you listen to the song and the lyrics you would swear that
he's tripped before for sure. No.
It's not a fun experience. See, I disagree.

(45:43):
Well, at the beginning is great,it's fucking laughing your ass
off. But if you take enough of it,
it's it's going to rear its uglyhead real quick.
Not necessarily. It's once again, it's your
intention. You're right who you're with.
So I've I've been guided throughevery trip that I've been
through other than one I got we got slipped some acid one night

(46:04):
before a gig that wasn't a lot of fun.
Oh wow, without knowing. But luckily I had already done
that. You know, I had already tripped
before or it would have been a horrible experience.
So, you know, that's the one offthat I wasn't ready for.
Every other time I've done it inmy life, I did it for a positive
intention, right? Even if it was recreationally, I

(46:25):
did it with a group of people who we either laughed or cried
for 8 hours together, right? We solved our problems in our
own lives, each other's lives. You know, we were together.
I've, I've never done it alone. So I I.
Guess I don't, I've never done it at all.
So I can't really, but I can write songs about it because I'm
just, I, I just, I was always intrigued into that part of it

(46:49):
and how you know the whole I've always heard you'll see your
version of God, whether it's peyote, whether it's with
mushrooms, It's just it's. That part is true.
All your inner shit comes out, which is, you know, sometimes
you got to look at that shit head on.
Have you guys seen the have you guys seen these AI TikTok
channels of the Yetis and stuff like that?
Oh yeah, I have. I'm not a big on.

(47:10):
I'm not a big Tik Toker. And they take mushrooms and and
coke and they do coke and stuff and they just wig out.
It's fucking hilarious. Yes.
I officially like the AI channels more than the human
channels. Isn't that creepy?
It's awesome. Where?
Where our world's going? Why is it creepy?
You know what's creepy is 150 years ago, people would have
seen what we're doing right now.Oh, great.

(47:31):
Would have been creepy. Wait, so last night this is
funny as hell. I I, I forget what streaming
thing I was on, but just I was going through and saw the the
series Lost in space right from the I think it was the early 60s
or 50s. It was still black and white.
Yep. So maybe the 50s.
So I hit plan on the first episode, the very first, once
they do their intro shit, then they go into the to the space

(47:54):
command central, right? And it's like December 1997.
And it's the fucking cheesiest thing, man.
And then and like within 20 minutes of building everything
up, now the guy's writing in hisjournal, cursive, mind you,
which nobody writes cursive anymore.
And it was like, it was like March 2002, thousand and one.

(48:16):
And he's writing in this journalabout how they're actually lost.
It was the I was like the perception of what they thought
we'd be like back in the 50s waswas there, but nowhere near
where we're at. I mean, just in our lifetime,
no. Gene Bradbury didn't even get it
right. He just got a two way
communicator, right? You know, yeah, because it's.
Think about just invented a two way communicator.

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Everybody gives him credit for inventing the flip phone, but
all his device did was communicate from one person to
another. What was the one that that one
where the where the computer takes over?
War Games. War Games Whopper.
No. No, OK.
Not. Is it Tron?
Was it not Tron? No, we're, we're where the

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computer takes over at the end. Something like that.
Oh, was space? Was it Space Odyssey?
Space Odyssey. Yeah, 2001.
I mean, that's like AI, right? I guess that's kind of like
probably where AI is going, yeah.
Well, look at the Jetsons cartoon, man.
Like how how how how? They haven't done the flying
cars yet though. They they do.

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They're just not mass produced. They're out.
There. Well, there's a no, I mean,
there's the, I mean, there's the, the, the things that the
drones, the drones, I mean, yeah, there's that.
There's there's a company calledLyft LLIFT where you actually,
it's a it's a personal, it's a helicopter.
It's manned by drones. I they reached, they dropped
something like probably 10 yearsago.
I'm like, oh, I'm in and they shot him 100 bucks.
I'm still waiting for that to show up.

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But they're, they're relevant. They're doing all kinds of
stuff. If you Google them you'll see
it. But I saw, I've seen a couple
things the last probably 6-7 months where they actually are
developing flying cars. They had one but it the issue
with it, they can't sustain likethe Jetsons did.
So you know. Did did you see the new news
release either? Yes, it must have been yesterday

(50:03):
because it's the first time I read it that said that the top
three AIS, ChatGPT and I can't remember the name of the other
two, but the top three of the people are using right now.
We're pulled as to what they would do if they were to either
sacrifice humans or risk being shut down.
All three of them would sacrifice the humans of.

(50:24):
Course self aware man. Wait.
The AI they were posed this question.
If you were confronted with the choice of sacrificing human
beings or risk being shut down, which would you choose?
All three of them chose to sacrifice us.
See, but like you said, where you have to forgive the things
that happened in your past. Like I cannot spend my day

(50:47):
worrying about that shit. Well I'm wondering how chat DPT
is going to sacrifice me when it's just.
Tom, get it, baby. Right, because yeah, well, you
know, it's electric. Don't forgot some way to
electric electrically. Electrify you.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm all in for it, man.
I'm all in. I should have.
My pants if the door. Somebody knocked on the door
right now, I can tell you that. I got a, I got an AI, I got an

(51:10):
AI agent that I'm creating rightnow really once my sales and
they're going to be creating allthose reports that I told you
about in the beginning. Yeah.
Ultimately, my goal within the next month is to have an AI
agent actually create the report.
Wow. And then I have my sales team.
I'm going to launch my sales team probably in the next couple
weeks. I got two people interviewing to

(51:31):
be part of the sales team. And I am going to have an AI
answering setter. So like if you see my ad and you
want to call or if you put your information in, the AI will
actually call you within seconds.
Hey, Mike, thanks for thanks forputting in your information,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. When's a good time to set you up

(51:52):
with a with a call and then you could actually book it on your
calendar. It'll be in your calendar and in
our calendar within seconds. That's awesome.
Because they say that every second that you let go when a
lead comes in, every second thatyou let it sit like it just, it
just dwindles down into to nothing.
Well, and see, the problem that I have in that world right now

(52:13):
is that that when, when texting wasn't a thing, if I got you on
the phone as a living, breathinghuman being, you're my client
within 10 minutes because I listen and I understand, you
know, whatever, I'm not going togo deep down that path.
But it's harder with text because you don't have the
ability to understand their reaction.
You can't feel their emotion. You can't feel, you can't hear

(52:34):
their voice, whether it's hesitating, hesitating or
exciting, you know what I mean? So there's no, it's taken away
the human element. And and that's the biggest
drawback I see in my industry isthat you have to win them over
on a text. But the the issue with text is I
could text you, Vince, and then you just ghost me and you don't
respond for two days. I haven't got.
A text is how Vince reads it, right?

(52:54):
Right. Well, he doesn't.
Hear he doesn't hear the excitement.
And Vince, this is Chris Dunham,the real.
Estate guy, right, right, right,right, right.
To you wondering about that, howyou were looking at you know
he's excited. Right.
Hey man, an exclamation point goes a long way.
Yeah. Well, I've started using Bomb
Bomb. So if you're not familiar with
Bomb Bomb, it's an e-mail based platform where you can actually
record a video, an intro video. So.

(53:17):
So if you come to me and think then I'll I'll go on my e-mail
and I'll, you know, I'll do a bomb.
Hey, Vance, it's Chris. I'm real estate guy.
So this is the first step we're going to take to get you out of
the path of home ownership. You know these three things.
By the way, below here's a link to my YouTube channel.
It has an entire playlist dedicated to home buying
process. You know, look forward to
talking to you and hit send and then Bomb.
Bomb will actually tell me that you open the e-mail, Vince.

(53:40):
But then it will also go even further.
Tell me how many, what percentage of it you watched,
Whether you watch 20%, whether you watch 97%, which is kind of
cool because then I know you opened it.
And I do the same thing when I present offers, I send it to the
realtor with the offer. So I know how much they listen
to it because Realtors don't read.
They don't, you know, the attention spans like a goldfish.

(54:00):
So it's kind of a cool platform.I use captions too with videos
and things like that. So I've started doing that more
once, once I've had a little bitof a conversation so then they
can kind of get to know the personality and excitement,
things like that. But again, the texting to me
just sucks because it's just youcan't, you can just walk away
and it. Yeah, I still hate it for that
reason alone. Yeah.

(54:21):
Well, the beauty with the AI thing is that it sounds human.
I know it's so. It's trippy though dude.
But they don't know. They don't even know.
And the more it ain't, the more it does these callbacks, the
more it doesn't guess what it does.
Or keeps getting better and better.
It gets better and better. Yeah, I've noticed that with
Dave. Dave is my chat guy because you
name him, you know, so it's. Dave these.

(54:42):
Conversations. See, mine at least doesn't have
a name. Dude, that's crazy.
Everything and then please and thank you every time you ask him
to do something because then it just evolves that much more like
I could go on the. Oh God my wife is a raging bitch
with hers. Man, I'm just like you.
Keep talking to judging BT like that.
Somebody is going to knock on the door.

(55:02):
They're not going to fucking answer you anymore, man.
She's so mean, dude. I'm just like, how do you just
talk to that thing? Like she doesn't get it right,
She keeps getting it wrong. I do the same thing with Siri
man. I touch Siri to fuck off.
You know, yell at the GPS because the GPS is, you know,
telling you to turn. Yeah, but GPT is giving you such

(55:23):
valuable information, you shouldrespect it.
Oh, I. Do every night.
I have my you know one thing that I started is I have my 3
year old talking to it now. Right on.
I just feel like, and some people shake their head and I'm
just like, no, like this is coming.
Yeah, we are. Whether whether we like it or
not and he has a blast asking about Mickey Mouse.

(55:43):
Where's Disney? Who are Mickey Mouse's friends?
And it's just it answers and hasa whole conversation.
I like she I literally I'll start it like, hey, my son's
gonna have a conversation with you.
Cool man. Well, A.
Couple episodes ago I said that you know, there's no way.
Chris and I obviously both have full time jobs.
So do you. You have many full time jobs.
I could not do 2 podcasts a weekand edit them and make them

(56:05):
presentable in the way they are.Without AI, there's no way.
Oh my God, I saw on TikTok the other day, just yesterday.
It's I follow, I'm trying to always learn like the AI
automations and stuff like that.This kid created an automation,
he sends a text through Telegramand it just starts the whole
automation to post his video on Instagram and it automatically

(56:28):
does it within minutes. But here's the kicker is the
video that he posted was his clone.
No. That was it was.
That was fucked up. That was like that was.
Crazy. Captions lets you create your
own AI like because I used captions.
But it looked like it looked fucking human, dude.
That's. Awesome.
It's insane. It's insane.

(56:48):
That one kind of creeped me out a little bit.
I'm not gonna lie. I don't normally get creeped out
but. For the logo, Chris.
Logo I did between Canva and andDave.
Dave did our logo that we have now and I put it together
because he would he wouldn't create what I wanted combined.
So I ended up having him create stuff and I just.
Oh yeah, that was a funny story because Chris was telling me the

(57:10):
story and it was funny to hear someone talk about getting in an
argument with his AI. I did.
He was pissing me off, man. That's what my wife every day I
hear it like I'm like, who are you arguing with?
She's this fucking thing doesn'tget it right.
Yeah, back to your thing though about the the the AI version
captions a program called Captions.
Yeah, I've heard of it. It does it clone.

(57:32):
Yeah, captions is cool, dude. If if you want to do shorts and
stuff for your businesses, it's,it's really, it's legit.
But then you, it has you read a script and you read the script
and then once you've done that, then it stores in the brain of
captions. So then you can just you.
Oh captions AI cool. You punch in the script and
there you go. It just takes it off running.

(57:52):
It's it's creepy because it's, it's my head.
It's my torso because I was in the frame and it just is.
I, it's so freaky. I didn't use it.
I'm like, I am not doing that. It's I'm not doing that.
It's weird. It's weird.
I wasn't, I wasn't prepared for to be as amazing as it was.
So the background was kind of like this where it should have
been a more, you know, just solid background, you know, not

(58:13):
so much because then every videoit looks exactly the same until
they came up with background remover and then you can add
different video behind you. And you can do that on Canva now
too. You can remove the background
from photos, but you also can remove the background from
videos. What do you think it'd be good
for? Just to have more content, huh?
So that I don't have to shoot the content.

(58:34):
If you, yeah, that would be it. But for me, because I do shorts,
like our show has shorts twice aday drop and, you know, and
we'll always be up a month ahead.
But with my, my business stuff on Instagram, I just do a reel a
day, that's it. And I'll, I'll, I'll have them
shot and I'll edit them down through Canva or Canva and
captions and have them, you know, set up 7 days in advance.
So every week I just go through and make more content and.

(58:57):
So this and this basically helpsyou not have to create all the
content, it'll create it. For you like ask your ask chat
like I asked Dave, Hey Dave, if I don't have any ideas this
week, I asked Nikki for the ideaso she gave me some great ones I
got to work on. But I'll ask Dave.
Hey Dave, give me 30 days of content on Instagram Reels.
Is Nikki your wife or another? Yeah, she's my wife.

(59:20):
I don't really ask Dave, but this time I asked Nikki.
I'm like is this another AI or something?
He's got like 7 computers and they all have a different name.
Six of them are women and Dave. Yeah.
Exactly. You get the human element with
the wife. We've been Nikki and I've been
together 30 years. So she's, you know, she's a
great resource of things that I need an idea for this and here

(59:41):
you go. Yeah, I always like my wife's.
Always. I tell her she's like my
business coach sometimes. Yeah, yeah.
Looking at it from a different perspective.
But you have to be careful with that too though, because they
care about you so much that theyactually may not give you the
best advice. This is seriously true.
Because they're coming from a different angle.
Absolutely. So all right.

(01:00:03):
Boys and girls. Is that it?
Are we done? 5 minutes.
We got about 5 minutes left. Anything else you want to wrap
up? Point out you know I.
Was going to say the only thing we were missing was like a joint
or something like that. It's the only thing that we were
missing. I'm way ahead of you.
Guys, I no, I mean, this is fun,man.
Yeah, no. Who's your, who's your audience?
Who's? In the beginning, you know.

(01:00:24):
Who's Who's the audience, for the most part.
Like who? Who have you realized?
Like the target? Events were in 20 countries.
What? Yeah.
Yeah. Where do you get most of your
views? What countries get most of our
views? Yeah, OK.
No, no, sorry. What platform?
We just, we just, we just passed.

(01:00:46):
So we're to grow this thing organically.
We're not, we're not spending money to grow it.
So in, in March, we had about 23,000 views I think roughly on
YouTube. And then I started putting
shorts out every day, twice a day.
We just passed 104,000 yesterday. 105. 105 on YouTube,
which is cool from from, you know, with not dropping money.

(01:01:09):
I mean, I can't express enough million views.
OK, but how much did you pay forthat?
We're all organic. We're just straight up organic
because it's it's to us, it's better to build something real
than have a bunch of fluff. So it's it's kind of a loaded
question because again, we have I've in the last two days, I've
5060 people wanting to be on theshow.

(01:01:30):
Now I'm just kind of starting toqualify.
OK, why do you want to be on theshow?
What someone wants to be on the show?
Who, who, Who claims that Bigfoot is real?
Yeah, YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and a platform called
Overcast are our top four. Podcast Attic is tied with.
Is the audience like more males,females, male between what age?

(01:01:53):
Right down the middle man. It's about 58% male and 42.
Percent. What age group?
The mass the mass of it would bebetween 35 and 65.
Got it. We actually got all the way down
to the not zero to 17, but the next one up 18 to 25 or 18 to
30, whatever it was. Yeah, that's about 5% of our

(01:02:14):
listenership. I think most of it's my nephew
next door, but because I know helistens.
So thank you, Carson, for listening to the show.
Nice, nice. Yeah.
I mean, I guess I would just askyour viewership if they would,
if they're interested at all in entrepreneurship and business.
My YouTube show is pretty killerwhen it comes to that.
I mean you. Plug all your stuff there real
quick too. Yeah, give it all away.
All away. So the at Vince Perry official

(01:02:36):
again three times a week. We're basically we're, we're,
we're posting something and I'm very prevalent on Instagram and
I always give something away. So I've got a valuation
basically like a CHEAT SHEET that I give out.
So if anybody's interested at all in really understanding
exactly how to value their own company, they can do it

(01:02:56):
themselves with this document, It's several pages long where it
just breaks down the step by step process where you take, you
know, you take the profit, you take the owner's compensation,
you take the taxes and so on andso forth.
You take that, you put a specific multiple on it.
I've got, you know, the different multiples that that
go. So if anybody wants to actually
find out what the valuation of their company is, they could use
this document to do it. So if anybody follows me and

(01:03:18):
sends me a direct message on Instagram and say that it's
from, you know, from your show, you got it.
You'll have it in your inbox. And Instagram is Vince Perry
official. Also Vince Perry official.
OK, so you have the Monday the Monday podcast, which is which
is the beyond the claim. Beyond the claim.
And then you have your Vince Perry official that drops on
Wednesdays. Yep.
And then your Facebook page, you're doing Q&A questions.

(01:03:39):
Is it daily or once a week? Every Friday I go live on
YouTube, Facebook and Instagram.OK, there you go.
So for those of you want to learn more about Vince Perry and
it's PER I'm. Easy to find.
Yeah, take a look at that. Just Google.
Google Vince Perry. PERR.
RI yeah. And, and so that's awesome, man.
Thank you so much for coming on,Vince.

(01:03:59):
No, man, thank you. Definitely want to have you back
for sure so. Thank you for having me on.
We got we got to all hang out inperson one of these days.
Yeah, that would be all soon. How?
We'll figure that out somehow. Somehow, some way, who knows?
So we'll just do this again. Yeah, or, you know, sooner or
later we're going to have that beam me up Scotty technology,
right? Then we can just transport
ourselves to other. Found some like thing on our

(01:04:20):
head and we'll just all be hanging out having some beers.
That would be so cool. See, it would be cool.
It would. Be cool.
Technology is good for some things, right?
Exactly. In our means it is.
Yeah, yeah, We wrap up every show with don't let the bad days
win. Somebody Loves You.
Somebody will miss you if you'regone.
So if you're having a bad day, you know, reach out, talk to
someone who, who, who will listen.

(01:04:41):
And if not, just go to bed and wake up tomorrow, You know,
it'll be a better day than it was today.
Don't be that person that leavesthat hole in the heart.
Love you brother. Love you too man all.
Right, Vince, thank you very much for coming on the show.
Thank you for having me guys. Best of absolutely.
Nice to meet you man. Thanks again.
All right. Thank you guys.
We have you back on. Come on, cool.
Peace. This is the place where you will

(01:05:24):
go. Be on the tail behind your eyes.
Feel yourself and need yourself.Take a moment, look until you
see it. Fight your battle and tear.
Your boss will fight your battle, but you boss will.

(01:05:46):
Who is your baby? Come down here, he haven't

(01:07:11):
bounced out in his sand, he's from fighting.
Wait for the dead when he's closing around here.
But in the wind you ain't no creature we're playing smile and
you just you press on the almighty day.

(01:07:31):
You got a dream through in your life to keep our soul in every
night. Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:07:55):
yeah, yeah. Take a moment.
We can see you see him fight thebail in two more years.

(01:08:30):
You gotta, you gotta. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.