#115 - Joesf D. Glaude - Musician/Songwriter

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In this engaging conversation, musician Joesf D Glaude shares his journey through the world of music, discussing his experiences as a touring musician, the importance of music theory, and the impact of life experiences on songwriting. He also touches on animal rights and political commentary, emphasizing the need for musicians to use their platform for good. Joesf's insights into the music industry and his personal anecdotes provide a rich tapestry of knowledge for aspiring musicians and music lovers alike.

In this engaging conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of discussing politics and religion, emphasizing the importance of rational discourse and the ability to agree to disagree. They share personal anecdotes about relationships and the diverse perspectives that can exist within them. The discussion transitions into the realm of love and marriage, highlighting the journey of finding a partner and the significance of shared interests.

The conversation then shifts to the world of music, where the speakers explore their musical talents, collaborations, and the essence of musical expression, ultimately underscoring the power of music to connect individuals across different backgrounds and experiences.

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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
OK, so I can't hear the music Michael is playing.
Is it on the live button I put Ifixed.
That OK, there it is. We can't hear it though.
I know everybody. Yeah.

(00:32):
I'll put it in. What's up there, boys and girls?
This is the Chris and Mike. So I'm Chris.
He's Mike. Our special guest today is
Joseph. He's a rock'n'roll musician.
We're excited to have him here coming to you live from the We
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How? Joseph?
How the heck are you, man? Yeah.
I'm doing pretty good actually. It's been a good day so far.
Thank you for coming on the show, Joseph.
I'm super excited to have a musician on here so.

(01:15):
Actually I've been enjoying youryour YouTube videos.
So. Oh, right on.
Thank you very much. Yeah, he.
Has been following us on YouTubeand Instagram for quite a while,
so thank you for that. On Instagram, you're talking to
me, on YouTube, you're talking to him.
So from both of us, thank you very much.
And so give give our listeners and our viewers a little bit of

(01:36):
a story about who you are, what you do, and all that kind of fun
stuff, my friend. OK, we're going to tell you I'm
a musician, I teach. I tore COVID sort of blew the
sails out of that and trying to get back on the on the road
again. What?
Kind of touring musician, your own music.
Are you original? Material.
OK, I do studio work. I actually played for an

(01:59):
orchestra for a while. Guitar.
Mandolin. And I would like to say not to
interrupt you, but I equally enjoy following you.
That's why we know each other sowell, because I enjoy all your
videos and your tidbits about music and those things are very
inspirational to me. So thank you very much on my
behalf as well. You're welcome.
So, but yeah, just, you know, music has always been been a

(02:21):
part of my life from time I was a kid, You know, I was born at
the time when they used to sing the bass, you know, the priest
would come out and sing what we were doing.
My grandfathers were both musicians, so.
So yeah, just after I heard The Beatles, I knew I wanted to be a
musician. It was Elvis who made me want to

(02:44):
play guitar. I didn't realize it was actually
Scotty Moore, but I thought Elvis was just totally badass.
Absolutely, we all did. OK, OK, So you just dropped
something that I didn't know. So Elvis didn't play the guitar.
He. Played rhythm, but Scotty Moore
played all those licks that everybody knows and loves from
those songs like Jailhouse Rock and Hound Dog.
The cool guitar parts were all aguy named Scotty Moore because

(03:06):
you always had a lead guitar player, right?
Yeah, right. Usually the guy standing up
front is your rhythm player. That's not always the case, but
traditionally he's the rhythm player.
That was Elvis. But you know when you watch the
comeback special, the 68 comeback special, man Elvis tore
it up. He was a great guitar player.
That's why I want to be careful to say, yes, Elvis played
guitar, but Joseph's right that that was Scotty Moore playing

(03:29):
all those cool licks on the. Album the comeback specials when
it was the one where he's like kind of in like a round.
Yeah, OK. Black leather suit.
Right, right. OK.
That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah.
There's a little bit every now and then.
I've seen little tidbits of the of behind the scenes from that.
I remember my mother watching it.
When Elvis died, they played it again on NBC or CBS and you
know, everybody was so sad. But that was the one that they

(03:52):
played was the comeback special in the black leather suit.
So I remember seeing that as a little kid.
I was supposed to see Elvis in 77 when he died.
My family was in Maine. I had tickets and we were in St.
Francis, ME when we heard that the King had died.
And I remember Mom and Dad pulled over the side of the road
and my mother started crying. And I was just like, I just, I

(04:13):
couldn't, I couldn't imagine it,you know?
Elvis is gone. And so for and so for the for
the young, the youth that listens to us, wrap your head
around this concept. There was no social media when
Elvis was alive, No. There was.
Nothing there was fairly recordsright and.
He and he was right, and he was known around the world.
I mean, that death impacted everybody around the world

(04:37):
because it was everybody knew who he was or knew the name,
whereas now, you know. So you know what's what's crazy
is when I've toured now, I I I give online lessons.
I've got students in India. Really.
Yeah, it's crazy. I got a banjo student in India.
Right on. And he asked me, I've got these

(04:57):
people asking me if I can teach him Elvis music.
Still nice. Yeah.
What what amazes me is so many of my students, young kids,
we're talking like 15/16/17, they want to learn music from
the Sixties, 70s and 80s. I kind.
Of yeah. And I could kind of see that
because music back then was it was it was, it was.

(05:19):
I don't want to slam it, but it was more genuine, right?
You, you, you, yeah. You had to pick up the
instrument of play. It wasn't all computerized and
like the crap you can do now. AIO you see these ads pop up?
Oh, hear yourself sing Alice andchange your own voice.
No, not to. Interrupt you, Chris, but I like
where you went with this. Let me ask you this, Joseph,

(05:39):
because for the ladies and gentlemen who are listening,
Joseph is a real musician. He understands music theory.
He teaches you what you need to know.
I play by ear and I know what people want to hear, but I don't
know why, right? I couldn't explain a lot of the
theory behind it. I just want people to
understand. That's what fascinates me about
you, as you understand the theory and can teach it.

(06:01):
Would you not say that with all the digital, the advent of the
digital age, all this quantizing, you know, snapping
it to the grid takes away from the feel of the music, Correct.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
It does. You know, and I tell people all
the time because, yes, I'm an educated musician.
I went to school for this. Yeah.

(06:21):
I played with an orchestra. I can tell I was a hired gun
back in the day. Actually wrote a book.
What's the book? What's the book?
What's the book? What's the plug?
Your book, Joseph. Oh, OK.
It's called creative guitar. You, you, you.
You can find it on band camp. Joseph Claude at band camp.
OK, so if somebody Googles your name and says creative guitar,
they're going to find it. Yeah.

(06:41):
OK, cool. Yeah, well, this is all about
you've watched this enough. Now that you know, we're
conversations, we're not interviewing.
But anytime you have something you want to share that's
relevant to who you are and can help promote yourself and or
your product, by all means man, share it.
Oh yeah, plug away. That's why we're here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so creative guitar.
That's cool. That's cool.
Keep going. Keep going.

(07:02):
Yeah, it's the book discusses scales, chords, modes,
arpeggios, and. And I've run into too many
teachers. You've got the kid who can strum
a couple of chords, thinks he can teach, OK, He can get you
started, OK, But he doesn't knowtechnique, so he's going to
limit his students, OK? I've got teachers who are more

(07:23):
concerned about keeping around for the next 10 years.
You know, I'm more interested inteaching you in such a way that
you can teach yourself and you're going to become a great
player. There's always going to be
someone to replace you when you.Get you going?
Probably 40% of the way that youcan get somebody going, 90% of

(07:44):
the way, right? So I can teach somebody.
I know where all the notes are. I know your basic scales, your
basic chords. I know what it takes to control
an amplifier at Max volume. So I can teach you technique.
You know, these are all things that Chris and I have talked
about. There's levels of being a
musician, right? You start off, you're a student,
obviously. Then you play practice in your

(08:04):
bedroom. Like you said, Hopefully you get
good enough to teach yourself. Then you join a band and you're
playing in the basement and you might get lucky enough to play
some parties, right? Then you're standing at a pizza
joint, you know, on a Saturday night and playing for two
people. And then you get to the point
where you were, you were playingwith an orchestra, right?
That's the real deal. You're a paid musician at that

(08:26):
point. A lot of times you're a union
member. That's, that's as good as it
gets. When you get to that point, your
technique has to be spot on and people don't understand what it
takes to control an amplifier ata very loud volume without
annoying everyone that's there. Right, right.
I tell you what was funny. And then suddenly Shorrock

(08:48):
always said you need a balance of both.
You need to know your theory, but you also have to have a feel
for the music. Correct.
OK, I played in an orchestra with with a guy named Joe.
He was a phenomenal player. You could drop a piece of music
in him, in front of him. He nailed it.
OK, I'm a slow reader. I'm just going to be honest.
He could just. He nailed it, pulled the page

(09:10):
away. He.
Couldn't play a note. He couldn't play a note.
He couldn't really what he just played Wow, you know that is.
Crazy. I know it.
I never understood that. How can you play it right from
the page but you don't internalize it?
And yeah, you don't retain it atall.
Because his brain associated muscle memory with looking at

(09:34):
those notes on that staff. Yeah.
Interesting. Yeah, and how sad was that?
Pretty sad, yeah. I just jammed for 20 minutes
while I was waiting, you know, we had a little transition,
obviously. So while Chris went and did his
thing, I picked up my guitar andwrote a couple songs.
Just came to me out of the universe, yeah.
Yeah, and you have to be open tothat, man.

(09:57):
I tell people all the time, music theory is just a road map
to get somewhere. You know, I'm going to give you
a great Chet Atkins quote. Chet Atkins had created the
Nashville sound. He had created country music in,
in my mind, country guitar. I agree.
He then went to college and studied guitar.
The unfairness of it all is he came out better than when he

(10:17):
went in. I just think that was just not
cool. But so he comes out and someone
asks him, So what did you get from college?
He said. The knowledge that I could have
saved myself 30 years of trying.I had just gone to College in
the first place. We all come to the same
conclusions. It's out there.
Right. Yeah.

(10:38):
You know, but how do we get to it?
Sure, you know, but but yeah, you know, you know, I want my
students Joe Pass. I took a master class with Joe
Pass and we had this one guy. He was like, hey Joe, I practice
like 2023 1/2 hours every day. I take my food intravenously.
I sleep for like 12 minutes so Icould just keep playing guitar.

(11:00):
And I know what just went on on about how much he practiced
because what can I do to get better?
And Joe said get a life. Put the.
Guitar down, go out and meet a girl.
Go smell the roses. Yeah, you know.
That was going to have a yeah experience because the the the
best songs are written based on an experience you've you've
you've shared with someone or you've gone through yourself.

(11:22):
Otherwise it's just stale and stagnant and boring.
That was actually the best advice I got, too.
I had one of my teachers tell methe same thing.
It's a given that you have to beable to play if you want to be
in a band, right? Yeah.
So it's the life's experiences that you're going to have to
draw from that's going to make you unique next to the guy who's

(11:43):
playing next to you, right? It's those experiences that make
you Joseph, and you, Chris and me, Mike, right?
Yeah. I have my own personality on a
guitar. I'm sure you do, too.
Chris has a very unique voice. People don't forget it.
That's why they came back. Yeah, and you know, playing
this, playing a song, I don't play any song.
I do like the original artist. I love that.

(12:06):
I'm not. I don't bend strings.
OK, I'm. I'm a jazz guy, you know, I'm a
Bender. Yeah, I'm a Bender.
Yeah. I use really heavy strings.
And we would do the song Stairway to Heaven.
OK, I don't do that. Cool.
Bam. Better I slide into it.
OK, There's my cheek. All right on.

(12:31):
Dude. You know, do the first.
Part of that again, that was badass.
See, I love that you stayed trueto the intent, but you played it
your own way. Yeah, that's fantastic, man.
If you ever watch Jimmy Page, hedoes it that way, too.

(12:55):
Not not he does the dad, but I saw an interview with him.
He said he did not realize that he wrote an iconic riff, said
the first time they played that song and he didn't do the Bam
Bam, said the crowd was visibly disappointed.
Really. Absolutely, because that's the
that's what sucks you into the solo.

(13:15):
Yeah, so he's said that, so I'd go back along the song.
Says from the guy that wrote thesong.
That's crazy. Yeah, one of the greatest ever,
for sure. Yeah.
But he did like 10 or 15 takes before he heard one that he
liked. Yes.
Yeah, that's the one we'll use. That's cool.

(13:37):
That's a good story. Yeah.
So. And to me, what makes it even
great greater is, you know, I tend to sit down and write
things down. I get some things.
I get an idea, and I'll write itin my head and I'll eventually
write it down on paper. OK, man, these guys and and I
improvise, OK. I do improvise, don't you think?

(13:57):
I don't. I go into the studio, I record
the song. Everything after the primary
melody is all just improvisation.
Right on. OK.
But man, to just go in there andjust this iconic, you know, he
uses the, the, the pentatonic scale.
He's not jumping into ultra dominance.

(14:19):
He's not using Mixolydian. He's just he's doing this with
the pentatonic scale. I've noticed that about him too.
OK, so, so for those people thatare listening that will and
watching that will listen to this, what is a pentatonic
scale? It's.
Only 5 notes instead of seven, plus the active.
OK, right. So the major scale is 7 notes
plus the octave. So we'll say you have 8 notes to

(14:39):
play with on a normal. You know what we all consider as
musicians? A normal scale.
The pentatonic scale is only 5 notes.
It's like the blue scale most people would call it.
OK, good, good. Now you referenced the studio
musician, all that kind of jazz.Joseph, what, what kind of how
long you been doing, how long you been playing guitar to begin
with? You kind of, we kind of didn't

(15:00):
really talk about that. I actually.
Got my first guitar lesson in 1973.
OK, I was three years old. I I.
Was born. I joined my first band, a punk
rock band called Tropical Skin Disease.
I love it. Yeah, in 1979.
And then of course, you know, I went to college, studied when I

(15:22):
was in college, you know, in the80s, I started playing, you
know, in, in, in small classicalgroups.
I started learning classical guitar, OK, jazz guitar.
So I'd say technically I've beenplaying, I'd say professionally
since about 1980. That's awesome.
I got to work with bands like the Platters, got to work with

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America, and all these guys are such really cool guys.
Yeah. So, so yeah, yeah, being, being
a, being a hired gun was a lot of fun.
The bad thing is there's even a movie called Hired Gun, and some
of these guys are bitter becausethey thought, well, when I'm
done, they're going to hire me to be with them all the time.

(16:05):
I'm going to be part of that. No, you got a paycheck bro.
Let me tell you a quick story, Joseph.
One of the saddest things I everlearned, and it was within the
last five, maybe 10 years, one of my favorite solos in the
world is the solo on Train kept a rolling from Get Your Wings by
Aerosmith. And that is neither Brad
Whitford nor Joe Perry. That's two studio musicians and

(16:28):
I cannot remember their name andeverybody's screaming right now.
It's these two guys. I just can't remember their
names. But it was so sad to me because
I always thought that badass solo that was one of my favorite
ever was Joe Perry, and he just wasn't up to snuff at the time
to be able to cut the solo. Yeah, that's what I got hired to
do. A lot of times, you know, they
need a mandolin player, banjo player or bass player, whatever

(16:50):
they would, you know, And it's it's funny how many people came
in to do their song and, you know, you don't get the credit
and I don't care. You know, I'm, I'm.
But that kind of kind of a funnystory with with Glenn Campbell.
OK, the song Rhinestone Cowboy was released before Glenn
Campbell, but he made it a hit. He said yeah, because I believed

(17:13):
in the song and that's what madea difference, he said.
I believed in the song. Just like Jimi Hendrix and All
Along the Watchtower, nobody knows Bob Dylan wrote that song.
Unless you're a big Bob Dylan fan or you're a musician, right?
Yeah. That's right.
And again, there's some songs that you know, the remake and I

(17:35):
appreciate Dylan. I love Dylan OK but man, Hendrix
version of lots of his version of Hey Joe, it's the definitive.
Version he made it his he. Made it his SO.
And The funny thing about about Hey Joe, every time I meet
somebody named Joseph, I want tobe like, Hey Joe, hey.

(17:57):
And. I and I always say, I bet they
never heard that one, right. Let me ask you this.
What do you think it is? Because there we went down a
road where there's a lot of musicians who can play live and
they're good enough to do that, but when they get in the studio,
they freeze. I've never really understood

(18:17):
that. I didn't really have that.
You know, I just play. So timing is timing to me.
I don't really care where I'm sitting.
I might have to do a couple takes of it, you know, I might
have to do 20 takes of it, but I'll get it.
What do you think it is that makes people just when the
record button goes they can't perform?
It's because we know it's going to be there.

(18:38):
You know, I do much better live than I do in the studio.
Well, I think everybody. I yeah, yeah, yeah, agree with.
That I would agree with that. Because you're feeding off the
crowd, you're feeding off the energy.
You know, right? You're seeing the faces and the
look. Peter Frampton Listen to Peter
Frampton's studio albums. Terrible.
Do you feel like we do? Yeah.

(18:59):
Do you feel like we? No.
Listen. To kisses studio albums versus
their live albums. Yeah, same thing.
Can't do it. Yeah, Peter Frampton, man, kiss.
They need to be in front of an audience, man.
Their live stuff is the best, hands down.
So. But it's funny because Pete is
even worse. See, I don't understand SO.

(19:26):
What kind of bands have you toured with Joseph?
Country bands, rock bands, Bluesbands, jazz groups.
Mostly Canadian or United States.
Actually, a lot of American bands, yeah.
Best experience on the road witha band?
Wow. There's a couple of them
actually. I did the Taylor Rd. show with

(19:47):
some really good guys. We would whine and complain the
whole time about playing. Then we get back this, get back
to the motel room, we start playing guitar together.
The guy, the guys in. I learned a lot.
From from Jerry Beckley and Dewey Bunnell with with with the
band America. They talked about how we're

(20:09):
indebted to our fans. They were just there and they
were just nice guys. I screwed up one time royally on
stage. They just made it a joke.
Oh nice, they. Didn't fire me, they didn't go
and beat me up, they didn't pushme out of the bus.
They just it was a joke. Did they did they razz you on
stage or was it after the show? Yeah, really.

(20:31):
Really. Oh, yeah.
OK. You gotta, you gotta drop that
story, man. That sounds interesting.
Yeah, we're doing. Don't cross the river.
And yeah, the Banjo park banned.Little little walk up.
I know. OK.
I got to the part where I'm swiftly all alone and I just
froze. I didn't know what I was
supposed to do. And they turned around and
looked at me and I just kind of shrugged my shoulders and went
back. Don't play the banjo if you

(20:52):
don't know the chords. That's awesome.
Yeah. That's the worst.
When you're standing on stage and you have that, your brain
just freezes. Yeah.
Actually happens to everybody ifyou're human, if you're human.
And that's the difference between AI music generation and

(21:13):
human music Generation 1. Thing I'll tell you is a lot of
people don't know scientifically, music is one of
the only activities on this planet that uses both
hemispheres of your brain at thesame time.
Right when when you're freezing,it's one side of your brain
locking up, not knowing what to do.
We're not sure if it's the physical or the subconscious at
that point, you know, but that'swhat's happening is 50% of your

(21:35):
brain's like, but we're not quite sure what's going on at
the at this moment in time. I did not know that.
Oh, yeah, I do crazy research about stuff like this.
You, your your conscious mind cannot distinguish between,
between playing two different chords.
So going from AD to AG, that's all rope muscle memory, right?
It's coming from your subconscious, which is why you

(21:57):
can talk while you're doing it. You can sing while you're doing
it. Yeah, you can watch TV, I'm sure
while you're practicing like I do.
I'm watching TV all the time, right?
Just. Listen to what's.
Going on. Sure do.
And I encourage my students to do that because I want to be.
Second nature. How many students do you have
right now, Joseph? Right now I've got about 40.

(22:19):
Wow, how many of those are online?
Actually, online, I've got 11 students online.
OK, OK. OK, that's cool.
So and so the 40 that you that you have face to face, they're
all, they're all where you're atin Canada.
OK, actually in Canada, Oklahomafrom you.
I'm now in Oklahoma. OK, cool.

(22:39):
So how's that? That's a dramatic change from
Canada, Oklahoma. Yes, it is very.
That transition. Yeah, yeah.
But you have that journey. Yeah, actually, I've been around
for a long time in, in in the States.
My father used to work for NASA.NASA, NASA.
Wow. Did you ever see the movie

(23:00):
Apollo? Apollo 13?
Absolutely. About 10 times.
So my father was one of the 11 men that got them down.
My father did 9 work. Right on and.
Yeah, and I, I've never said howdoes a man that smart have a
wind up monkey like me for a kid?
You became a creative intellect man, Yeah.
Yeah, something else. But my my father is one of the

(23:20):
most amazing men I know. I was having trouble with my
car. I did.
I had a 2005 Ford Focus. I was driving and get getting
some problems. I called my father goes yeah,
I'm having having some issues with the car.
He goes, well, how close are youto home?
I said 3 or 4 hours. He goes come on home, let me
look at it. Got home pumped out in the

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bonnet says turn it on. He listens for a second.
I bet it's this. He takes the car apart and he
goes over to to his bench, takeshis part out and he cleans it
up, does some filing on it, putsit back in the car and never had
another. Problem.
Wow. OK, but.
This is my dad. I bought my first car in 1979.
OK, I thought, hey son, let me see the keys.

(24:04):
Sure. Dad gave him the keys.
Bad decision. Got up the next morning, went
out to the car, the body was offthe chassis, the engine was on
newspaper all. It was literally a brand new,
not a brand new used car. Brand new car.
OK. So I just want to see how it
worked. Wow, it's a brand new car now to

(24:27):
show that I'm not terribly bright.
Right. 2015 I bought a Honda Civic brand new right off the
showroom floor. You gave your dad the keys.
Gave my dad the keys and I went upstairs because my mom and dad,
my father had me come to Virginia so we could look at the
car, so we could buy the car. And mom asks, well, where's your

(24:48):
father? He goes, oh, he wanted to look
at the car because you know whathe's doing, right?
I went downstairs and sure enough, he's taking the engine
apart. Wow, it's a dad.
It's a brand new car stop now because I'm just checking out
the air filtration system. But he put it back together,
right? Yes, he did.
OK. And it's still, it's still red,

(25:08):
right? It's still running.
It's still I I gave it to my nephew.
It's got over 300,000 miles on it.
We got that. Back from the moon, yeah.
Yeah, we had a problem with our wash with our with our washing
machine one time. So my genius self, I decided to
YouTube it. So I learned there was a video
on YouTube that was specific specifically related to the

(25:29):
problem we were having. So my son and I, we took it
apart and did what we had to do,put it back together and I had
three screws leftover. Don't know how, don't know why
it's it still ran. It ran perfectly fine, but
there's 3 screws that ended up being the byproduct of us taking
that apart and fixing whatever the the issue was.
So I'm not that mechanic inclined person either.

(25:49):
So luckily he didn't have you put it back together like that
episode on Happy Days way back in the day right when he was
blind. And then he took his bike apart
and made him put it back together.
That would have sucked. Because then I'm going to be
like. What?
I'm not a mechanic man. Nor am I.
Can you hold on for one second? Absolutely.

(26:10):
OK, Hold on. Be right back.
Yeah, we take breaks all the time, man.
Yeah. We're actually supposed to have
a pause button, but. Oh that would be fun.
I haven't really researched how that works yet.
How? That works.
We will just let Joseph have a little break there and tell

(26:33):
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Which always excites me because I get to go look at them.
I'll see. Right on.
Good transition. Joseph, thank you.

(26:56):
So let me ask you this. You did or you released a clip
the other day on Instagram, you were doing White Rabbit
acoustically. Where was that at?
That was a great version. I loved it.
Thank you. We were at a place called
Frank's Tavern in Bixby. OK, OK.

(27:17):
See now. I know you're in Oklahoma.
I'm like, I can't believe these guys are playing Jefferson
Airplane in Oklahoma in 2025. Again, people and, and and we're
always trying to do like unusualthings.
Every cover band does all the same music.
OK, I want to do something unusual, so we're going to do
White Rabbit, we're going to do Stairway to Heaven, we're going

(27:39):
to do Hotel California, you know, because.
Yeah. But you had to find somebody to
sing White Rabbit, so give her aplug because she did a fantastic
job. Raven is a phenomenal singer.
I like the the other girl that I, I did an album with that we
did a Blues album called Shades of Blues and I worked with a
girl named Nova who's an amazingBlues singer and we finally got

(28:05):
her off, got her head on straight.
But but yeah, that that album ismy first vocal album and I'm
planning on doing another one. Not with me singing.
You really don't want me singingme.
Neither. Yeah, but the the other album,
in fact, you can see my shirt. Turntime Creek Wildlife Rats.
Huge. OK, yeah, yeah.
Unplug. That for sure.

(28:27):
Yeah, so. So, yeah, Big, big, big.
And Animal Aid. You know, I'm not an animal
rights person. I don't think animals are just
us with fur. Thank you for that.
OK. But no animal should be abused.
Agreed 100%. OK, couldn't.
Agree more, you know. I mean to me cows or

(28:47):
cheeseburgers with legs. Thank you.
Agreed. And you know, but, but we don't
have to torture the animals. Absolutely, you know.
I I grew up, grew up, you know, working on a farm and not on my
farm. Mr. Adams and hire site and the
Brailers, I was come over and work on their ranch.
So I did that kind of work before, and I learned I wasn't
good at that because I was therewhen Pickett was born.

(29:09):
And when it came time to butcherpickle, well, that wasn't a cow.
That was pickle. That's why, yeah, we live in, we
live in horse property. And that's one of the things
like my wife would never, if we got a cow, it would be mute
because we couldn't, I couldn't butcher it because she would
become friends with a cow. Yeah.
Like, she's not going to grow. She's not going to raise
anything that we're going to eventually eat.
So I feel you on that one. Right.

(29:31):
So while Turpentine Creek, they actually take abuse.
Lions, tigers, bears, all kinds of animals.
Jen there are more tigers privately owned in the United
States than in the wild. I do, Thanks to Joe Rogan, Yeah.
And you can't take care of them.No, unless you're Mike Tyson.

(29:51):
Unless you're Mike Tyson. So the last album I did was
called Rescue to Refuge. OK.
Every dime of that album. And I did all the
instrumentation myself, recordedit and paid for it.
Everything, every dime from thatgoes directly to Turpentine
Creek. OK, Not to me.

(30:12):
To them it goes, yeah, we set itup so they can go through.
So. So there's no chance that I'm
going to be pocketing anything from this.
I didn't even want the adherencethat I might be doing that.
And that's in Oklahoma. That actually Turpentine Creek
is, is in Eureka Springs, AR OK,and they are fantastic.

(30:38):
I've talked to these people for a long time.
One of the reasons we support them so much is their goal is to
make themselves obsolete. They know that that if they can
stop the the animal trafficking,sure, then they're out of a job
and they're OK with that. That's a good way.
To look at it, yeah, absolutely,yeah.

(31:00):
Yeah, I don't think it can be stressed enough what he said.
I'm going to say it again. There are actually more tigers
in captivity in just the state of Texas alone than are
remaining in the rest of the world.
Yeah, that's insane. Just in the state of Texas
alone, yeah, that's the statistic.
Yeah, and I've tried to explain to people, OK, you know, OK, so

(31:25):
I'm going to get political for asecond.
They're all lying douche bags. OK?
I don't care which side of the aisle they're on.
I. Couldn't agree with you more.
I think Chris is in the same boat.
Yeah. They're all lying douchebags.
They tried to get something passed called the Big Cat
Protection and Safety Act. OK.
The wrong guy was president, so the opposition party made sure

(31:46):
it didn't pass. See, that's just that's, yeah.
Yeah, the people who are supposed to be.
I said. I'm not naming names here, but
the people who are supposed to be on the side of the animals.
Well, the wrong guy was in office OK when people finally
got and. It's the people that are just
supposed to be on the side of the people.

(32:07):
Politicians are elected officials that are supposed to
be a voice for the everyday human being, not for their own
agenda, which is completely turned and flipped that way,
which is nonsense because that'swhy you have a countries in such
like disarray most of time, because you have it's, it's,
it's like you said, it's all about me, me, me, me, me, me.
It's, it's what I want. It's a big beautiful bill.

(32:28):
Well, the big beautiful bill is going to make you it looks
stupid and it's going to affect millions and millions of people,
just like Obamacare did, just like they.
They never just look at what's good for the person we.
We play teams as well, which is stupid.
I was a history teacher and a couple of my favorite
presidents. One of them was a guy named John
Tyler. He inherited the presidency from

(32:51):
who? I don't.
Recognize John Tyler's name. I've got the year like 181840,
OK, around that time. So he was thrown out of his own
party. Oh, because he would not carry
what? He had no party, OK.
Nobody wanted to be his vice president.

(33:13):
His entire cabinet quit. He kept saying crazy stuff like,
well, that's a breach of my authority.
Well, that's not in the best interest of the American people.
I like this guy. That's not crazy.
That's. Unconstitutional.
Yeah, I know he was. And, and when he left, he said,
well, the American people wantedthem back because no, politics
is no place for men of character.

(33:34):
No it's not. Absolutely agree.
With you and it's really not. That's a great quote.
And, and people keep thinking that, you know, oh, I voted for
so and so because he's a man of character, because no, you
don't. No.
That makes me laugh harder than anything that they actually
think that there's going to be adifference.
Yeah, Ronald Reagan himself saidsaid that no man becomes

(33:56):
president by being the good guy.No, absolutely not.
Another great quote, no? That's a great quote.
Yeah, no. Because all, all, every single
president that's ever been a president is a sociopath.
They know how to manipulate the system.
They know how to convince you that they're the one.
I mean, they're, they're a sociopath, which is just a step
away from being a psychopath because they can completely
control, manipulate every situation they step into.

(34:18):
Obama became president not so much of his of his policies, but
because he was a very charismatic speaker.
He couldn't help. Obama could.
Lie better than most people tellthe truth, right?
Right, because you just, he was that he was a slick oil
salesman. You just were captivated by his
his speech and his speaking and his public speaking.
The ability was was second to none.

(34:39):
Clinton could convince you that he didn't have sex with Monica
Lewinsigan on his death, that she just went down on him.
Really. Because we all know that part
never leads to the other, right?But he he basically convinced an
entire country that he did not have sex with that a woman and
made it OK, right. From a political standpoint, you
can have oral engagement with anyone and there's nothing wrong

(35:01):
with that. Well said.
This is our president at the time, two term president.
And, and let's be honest, the way he presents himself, you
still want to go out and have a beer with him, don't you?
Right, exactly. Exactly.
I want to do mushrooms with thatguy.
Start talking. Yeah.
Yeah, it's. Yeah, right.

(35:23):
Oh my gosh. And.
Then we have George, George Junior, who is basically a
fraternity brother who became president.
And it's like it's, it's, it's just, it blows my mind.
Mike and I are not huge in. Politics, but yeah, don't have
I'll. Talk politics with anyone who
will talk politics like we are right now, right?
Yeah. Comments.
I had some compliments. You can't discuss religion and

(35:46):
politics because people don't think rationally.
They react emotionally. I'm tired.
You said that. I've never heard it put that
way. That's.
True, though absolutely I. Had a friend of mine guys play
Bandwidth back in the 80s. OK, our buddy Mikey voted for
Reagan. OK.
OK. I shouldn't be using names.
OK, They're going to watch this.Well, it's OK.

(36:09):
We had another friend. We're playing music together.
Yeah. He now unfriended him on
Facebook. I hate that shit.
OK. And blocked him.
I said why? Why'd you block?
Because he voted for Reagan. Yeah, we knew that in 1984.
I just heard a story about a mother and a daughter.

(36:30):
It was either a mother and a daughter or mother and a son.
It's a family friend, but they don't speak to each other.
It's a friend of a friend, I guess, but whatever.
Their relationship is fractured for like the last 10 years since
Trump was a president the first time.
They've never spoken to each other since, just simply for the
fact that the mother voted the way that the son didn't want.

(36:53):
I can't remember which way that he was.
She was you. Know it's crazy.
I've had two friends since 1980.OK.
My friend Sadiq is a Muslim fromAfghanistan.
Our other mutual friend, Namir, is a Jew from Israel.
OK. Every time I go to the East
Coast, we still get together andhave coffee.
Do you know what we agree on? Nothing.

(37:15):
Don't even like our coffee the same way.
OK, Sadiq and I yeah, we got into it one time over.
He was so excited to have a Muslim president, and I said,
well, who would that be? Oh, Obama.
He went to the same madrasa as my cousin.
Son said this. Well, he says he's a Christian.
No, no, no, no. He's a you know what It doesn't.
Matter. Equals to believe that.

(37:35):
Yeah, it doesn't. Hurt me, Let me.
Believe you, we're still friends.
Yes, and and we will argue politics, religion, and we'll
get loud and obnoxious when it'sall done.
We're still friends. Yeah, have we not forgotten how
to agree to disagree? We have, right, Everybody's
forgotten that because everybodyjust reads the headlines.

(37:56):
They just read the clickbait. They all the news stories are
exactly the same. They got the headline and the
you, you, if you click it, you'll realize whatever that
headline is, it doesn't make anyrelevance to the artificial
article itself. But they have to make you click
on it because there's no attention span anymore.
You're not selling newspapers, so everything's online and like.
Joseph said earlier, one of the things that I always commend

(38:19):
Chris on and he commends me on the same thing last night, I
think it was last night, maybe the night before, we had to have
some a serious conversation about some serious subjects,
right? And it might have taken two
other people two weeks to accomplish what we accomplished
in an hour and 10 minutes, right?
Because it's like, I agree with that.
I disagree with that. And here's why.

(38:40):
Well, here's my position, right?And then we would we'd move on
to the next thing. It's we have forgotten that
everybody who's doing what they're supposed to be doing, a
productive member of society. You're not hurting anybody else
doing what you're doing. You are entitled to your opinion
as a human being, right? We all only have one life.
That's right, we're. All terminally ill.

(39:02):
Do you really want to live in some homogeneous dystopian
society? No.
No, Fuck no. My wife and I don't.
I'm I'm a religious Catholic. My wife is an agnostic.
I'm with your wife. I'm open to possibilities.
That's right. You know, and we talk about
things and you know, she makes fun of me sometimes for being

(39:24):
for going to Mass, and I'm OK with that.
Makes you happy, right? Yeah.
Because she's totally hot. No, I mean going to mass makes
you happy. Right and.
It improves your life, correct? Yeah.
So then you should keep doing that.
That's always my. I'm not a religious person.
I I have my own views, but I always, I'm careful to say if

(39:46):
that's what makes you be Joseph that's sitting here talking to
me, then by all means keep doingit.
Yeah, you know, I said there's supposedly there should be no
peace in my home. But no, we, you know, because
there's a lot of things we agreeon.
Actually, we're both. Both my wife and I both love
heavy metal. OK, right.
On That's a great common ground.I love it.

(40:09):
My wife looks like she should beteaching Bible study at a
Baptist Church. She is more metal than me.
I love it. That's awesome, kudos to your
wife. I'm friends with you both
already, just now we all have common ground.
That's my go through music as well.
How long have you and your wife been married, Joseph?
We've been married for We're going on six years.

(40:31):
Right on and together. How long?
Eight years. OK, right on.
I. Never thought I'd get married.
I was happy single. Yeah.
OK, I feel your love. Yeah.
And I just, it's funny because we ran into each other at
Village Inn. Oh, right on.
It's right here. And I had a book.
I was just going in to drink some coffee, have some breakfast
and read. And I started to talk and I

(40:52):
decided to buy her breakfast. Oh nice, so you met in the
lobby? We met in the lobby.
Right on. At the same time you went in to
go have breakfast. Yep.
And so who? OK, so who approached 2 first?
Well, she noticed that I had a book.
She was on her way to see her doctor.
OK. And she the doctor said, oh, we
got to wait a couple hours and gotcha.
So she has, she just mentioned Ijust man, I wish I'd brought a

(41:12):
book because I need to kill sometime and I don't know what I'm
going to do. I said well have breakfast with
me. Oh, right on.
Yeah, great. Comeback.
Yeah. So how long?
How long did breakfast last? Two hours.
See, I was, this was, that's whyI asked that question, because
if it's meant to be that breakfast wasn't like a, you
know, a 30 minute thing, it wentand then so a 2 hour breakfast,
where'd you go from there? I went over to my, she doesn't

(41:36):
know this. I went over to see my buddy
Jared and I said dude, I think I've met my future wife.
Outstanding. Man.
That's awesome. That's cool.
I was kind of joking, but at thesame time, you know.
You just knew. I just kind of knew.
Yeah, see, I have the same kind of thing with with Nikki and I
like I stopped looking, pursuingchicks and stuff.
I was like, I'm just going to focus on the music.

(41:56):
That's it. That's, you know, I'm done with
women because I had shaved my head and realized that a bunch
of women, you know, at that timein 93 just were shallow because
nobody shaved their head, right.And I looked legitimately like a
Skinhead. It's and then had no knowledge
of skinheads. But I would wear this red and
black flanneled checkered flannel with Doc Martin boots
and blue jeans and, you know, shaved head, right?

(42:17):
And they have this scowl. This is 1994, right?
So it just it just it just made it made me look like, oh, this,
this guys just mean and evil. And then I met her and she blew
me off for a couple months. But I realized then that we went
out like, OK, this chicks not shallow.
You know, I would have people atthe shows, Joseph, who were

(42:37):
afraid to talk to him. And I'm like, he's a big first.
First off, he's a big teddy bearand he's a fucking goofball.
You know, he looks so mean. I'm like, yeah, he does.
He looks really mean. He's not.
But. Yeah, but 30 years, 30 years
together, 29 married and we got married a year the day of our
first date and we actually had the conversation about about
marriage on our first date. So I feel that story that you

(42:59):
just when you know, you know, and it's you're, you're blessed
to have that some people are andsome people aren't.
It's just, it's one of those things like my son, he's like,
oh, I want a girl from Dude, stop looking.
Just let it happen. Yeah, just let it happen
organically. It will happen when it's
supposed to happen. See, and what was funny, this is
the kind of woman I married. OK, so I've got a couple of

(43:20):
condos. Right.
And I was living in one of them.And I know that she wanted to
live in a house. She didn't want to live, you
know, based on my department life.
Sure. And so I was looking at places
and I realized, man, I'm not sure I can afford this.
And I told her that she goes, you know what?
As long as we're together, that's all I care about.
Nice. And I said, I'm buying that one
in a house. And I yeah, I bit the bullet.

(43:42):
I went out. My father, great man, he
actually loaned me half the money so we could just pay cash
for the house. Nice.
Paying him back right on at a better interest rate than the
banks would have given me like 1.9% interest.
Nice. It's like, yeah.
So again, the awesomeness of my father.
Yeah. But, you know, she she didn't

(44:05):
care that you know, OK, so we'lllive in your, your, your condo,
your. Condo, yeah.
So did you sell the condo? No, I still have them confused.
Kind of investment properties. Yeah, I I need to get rid of, I
need to get rid of rid of two ofthem.
Yeah. I tell you, man, tenants feel
entitled and they will not pay rent and they'll have their

(44:28):
excuse in the world not to pay rent.
Yeah. I don't think they realize that
I still have financial responsibilities.
Yeah. Exactly.
And people think because I own properties, oh, you got to be
rich, no. No, no, people don't.
Yeah. See, I I sell house.
I've been selling house 25 yearsin Arizona.
So I get that. I you, you preached in the
choir, man. Yeah, they just, they just don't

(44:48):
get it all. And then the same the struggles
we have now as people think, well, Rachel, you're going to
come back down to 3%. No, they're not.
They're not. Well, the market's going to
crash. No, it's not.
It's it's not. You don't understand.
And especially in Arizona, we'venot stopped building since World
War 2. We're not, we're not crashing
like that's it. It's just we may slow down when
we have ebb and flows, but it it's not and I have this, it's.

(45:11):
Always constant, right, year over year.
Right, Exactly, exactly. And the stuff that's being
dropped down here in the valley,like we have an Indian, Chinese
and Indonesia building this massive microchip plant in the
north part of the valley that is, is creating thousands of
jobs and they're all educated engineers.
They just don't, well, our market's stale.

(45:32):
It's not stale. You just you don't understand
it. So you're listening to the click
bait headline. You're reading that one little
headline supply. It weighs demand, but really it
doesn't. It's I can go on for hours, but
I won't bore you with it. But people, it's the it's the
perception of the public thinking because of of the click
bait headlines and and hearing a, a, a little bit of a story

(45:54):
and not listening to the rest ofor not reading all of the
article. They ought to make those
assumptions which are so far off.
Center insane. They go to, they go to where
they're going to hear their opinions.
That's so true. Yeah, right.
And. I'll tell you what I read a you
talk about, you know, just reading headlines.
I saw a headline where a 17 yearold kid died with COVID and I

(46:18):
was going, man, I thought specifically that didn't happen.
So I read the article. Well, yeah, died with COVID.
They left out in the headline that he got shot in the heart
and kidney robbing a liquor store.
While while having COVID. While having COVID.
OK. Which is, yeah, which is why he
died in the hospital, because there's not, yeah, there's not
been a single person that died of COVID outside the hospital.

(46:39):
It's on record. So.
But that's. But say you go prime example.
Read the article people, not theheadline.
And do your own independent research.
Right. Another thing that I like to
say, Joseph, is I will decide what my opinion is, right?
You're not going to give me my opinion.
Yeah. Unless you're my father, maybe
you know your parents get away with a couple.
Yes they do. But, you know, outside of that,

(47:01):
I'm going to decide what I'm going to do, and I will have my
own opinion about things. You hit the nail on the head.
You can figure out who somebody is by watching their television
for sure, right? If they watch Fox News, they're
conservative. If they watch CNN, they're
confused. If they watch MSNBC, they're a
Democrat. I mean, if there's no, there's
no in between. And those people tell them what

(47:22):
they're supposed to believe every day.
Inhale it. Yeah, Joe Rogan's the most
reputable guy in my opinion. Because.
Because he tells it like it is. He tells it like it is, and like
Chris and I, he's not afraid to say he was wrong about
something. I always like to say like he
does. I'm not married to any of my
ideas. I used to say it differently,

(47:43):
but that's a good way for peopleto understand it.
You could change my mind about something that I've thought the
same way about for 20 years justby giving me a logical
explanation as to why you believe what you believe, right?
I'm that kind of person. I will accept your explanation.
It'll rattle around in my head and it might be 3 minutes, 3
days, three hours later, 30 dayslater, I'll call you up and say,

(48:07):
hey, you know what? You were right, and here's why.
And again, you how do we know what we believe unless we know
what someone else believes? Right.
True, that's a great point. Yeah, so I, I, I consider I've
been fortunate, you know, and and again, all the different
influence traveling. OK, when I was in I play sitar.

(48:29):
The guy that my sitar was a. Great instrument, I always
wanted to learn how to play that.
Man dude I love my sitar. It was built by the same guy
that built Robbie Anoushka and George Harrison's sitar.
You don't have it there where you can play it, do you?
No, I don't. OK, but you can hear it on the
song Sugar in the Raw for Skip album.
Yeah, OK. It's it's the first time I got

(48:50):
to pull that puppy out. OK, so now you brought up your
your your albums. Where do people find your music
catalog? Actually, I'm on Spotify,
Pandora, I'm on all streaming audio, OK, The album I always
tell tell everyone that they have Amazon.
It's on Amazon, Yeah. OK, I.
So that all they got to do is search your name and though

(49:11):
it'll pop up. Yep.
OK, cool. And how many albums have you
released? I think 15.
OK, wow. And.
Some of them are classical, someof our new age.
A lot of them are jazz. OK, yeah, I'm actually talking
about right now about doing a movie soundtrack.
So do more orchestral. Movie soundtrack 4.

(49:35):
Just an independent film, OK. So what do you know what the
film's about? No, I don't.
I just. Did you ever see the movie or
the TV series? Lucifer, yes.
OK, my wife loved that show. Oh, me too.
Well, originally that was an independent film called Dead Act

(49:55):
for the Devil. Oh no shit.
Yep. And I talked to the guy who who
because the guy used my father's62 vet in the original.
Really. And so I met the guy.
He asked me to write a piece to to present as a possible for
writing the soundtrack you want with somebody else.

(50:16):
But the the last song, the song,the song that I wrote was
actually a piano piece called Autumn Suite.
And, and so, yeah, I got to playpiano and keyboard and stuff and
do cool voice things because I love that kind of stuff.
OK, this guy's a lot like The Moines.
How many instruments do you play?

(50:39):
Really, I'm only proficient on about 17, OK, you know.
This conversation was over. I thought you really knew how to
play. Yeah, we're done.
We're done. And you can't play 20 or more
than. Holy crap.
So what can't you play? What can't you play?
I can play things like trumpet and and French horn stuff, but

(51:03):
my armature's really bad and I'mnot real good.
On the Turpentine Creek album The Rescue, the Refuge, I have
one song. It's piano, cello and flute, and
I played all those instruments right on.
But I list myself as average on most of those.
Well. Of course you do, because all
musicians are humble. If if you know if that's.

(51:24):
Not what's? Your top five strengths.
I'm pretty, I'm pretty just average, but guitar, bass,
banjo, mandolin, I play the buzuki, the Bella laca and the
sitar, kind of the things that II play most often.
Have you ever messed around witha pedal steel?
Yes, I love it. Not good.

(51:44):
Not good at all. What?
Is the difference between playing that as a stringed
instrument? Everything you named was a
stringed instrument and I understand why because I can
play mandolin and I can't play banjo, but I can play bass and
guitar and a little bit of drums.
I can keep like 3 beats but I understand how all the other

(52:05):
instruments worked. What is the difference when you
lay it flat and now you have pedals to operate?
Is it more like a piano? The. 8 strings, most of them
have 8 strings and the tuning isgenerally to a chord, so.
So there's some simplicity here.It's really more about the
pedals working the pedals right.OK.
And I could never get a good feel for that.

(52:26):
I've been watching slash's journey on Instagram.
I don't know if you have. I haven't.
That's an estimate. He's been learning to play for
the last several years while they've been out on this massive
tour. You know, the reunion thing?
Yeah, he's spending his downtime, you know, because he
quit drinking and smoking and doing drugs.
So now his downtime is spent. He packs this thing and sets it

(52:47):
up in every motel room, or you know, in their case, hotel rooms
that they're in. Slash is, you know, I love that.
OK, you know if you ever analyzethat song, it's AD chord.
I never thought about that. You're right, it is.
Yeah, even the lead. Oh, interesting.

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But it's so tasteful. Yeah, yeah, Slash Slash is a
genius. It goes back to what you said
way back in the beginning. It's not what you're playing,
it's how you're playing. How?
You're playing Yeah, BB. King could say more with one
note than most shredders could say with 50, right?
Yeah, that's right. B.B.
King played 13 riffs his entire career.

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Really. I've actually graphed them for
my students to show that. Right on.
But he never played them the same way twice.
Because it was all about how he felt at that moment in time.
Yeah, amazing. Yeah, I just, you know, listen
to his version of of Dust Mite Broom versus Sweet Little Angel.
He used the same riff, but his phrasing is so different in each

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one. Phrasing is everything.
Eric Clapton is a master of phrasing.
Nobody phrases better than Eric Clapton.
Slow hand. Slow hand.
Yeah, and that's one thing that I always, you know, I, I don't
brag myself up much, but that's one thing.
I don't have a lot of technical ability and I don't have all the
tools that a lot of schooled musicians do.

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But the one thing that I did have was a great
singer-songwriter and the ability to make people feel what
I was feeling at that moment in time as well.
You know, I don't understand that note.
To make it. Hit you right, you know.
Yeah. Obviously, because I got
compliments from this guy all the time, so that was my
audience. Yeah, Tim Renwick is one of my

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favorite musicians artists. No, but ultimately you're the
one that had to sing to my music.
Sure, in the end, right? So sure, in the beginning you
were my audience. Yeah, yeah.
What did you, what did you, whatdid you just mention Joe Joseph,
something about somebody named Tim?
Yeah, Tim Renwick, He was a guitar player for the song Year
the Cat, the electric guitar. But he was also played the flute

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and saxophone for Pink Floyd. And he toured with The Hollies
as the piano player. But he played drums for Peter
Gabriel. The guy does, like, freaking
everything. OK, They asked him one time.
And I actually recently had another point to all that and it
just flew. Oh.
So do you remember the song? He ain't Heavy.

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He's my brother. Yeah, I remember the title of
it. I remember the name of it.
I don't remember. The song the piano player on
that was not Tim Renwick, It wasElton John.
Tim Renwick could not get the sound that he wanted.
And so he went out to get some coffee and he heard a guy in
another studio playing. And he went, hey, what are you

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doing right now? I was like, well, nothing.
I went, come on back here. And he showed him the song play
this, this, and said that was the song that he wanted.
It wasn't important that Tim played it.
It was important that the song sounded right.
Yes, absolutely, yeah. I hope that I'm I'm better

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because I think no, I can do it.I.
Took that lesson away from EddieVan Halen.
He said it 100 years ago. He says you got 7 notes, 8 if
you count the octave right. How do you mess them up is your
business. If it sounds good, it is good
it. Is good.
Basically what you said earlier,theory is a road map.
There's no problem with learningit.

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But that's not going to make youplay with emotion, right?
It's not going to make you. It's not going to make you have
the ability to portray what you're feeling out to your
audience. Yeah.
Those are the people that make my, you know, everybody calls
ACDC the most simplistic band ever.
Go try and play that right. Yeah.
It's. Not as easy as it looks.

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Yeah, simplistic doesn't mean easy.
No, no. And you're.
Allowing it to breathe, yeah. Yeah, and some some of the
simplest things in the world arehard to get right.
Yeah, I always tell people it's way harder to play slow than it
is fast. It is hard to play slow, that's
why I make all my students play slow.

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Thank. You, you just proved my point.
You know, I consider myself a decent teacher, but you know,
coming from you, when I say things like that and somebody
reiterates it, it just, it givesme hope that I was doing the
right thing all along, right? Because to me it is way harder
to play slow. You got to wait for the beat to
come around all the time. Right.

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And it you have to be more dynamic.
Dynamics are a big thing. Yeah, talk about Eddie Van
Halen. Eddie Van Halen even thought
about pit direction. Yep.
Oh, you know, go back and listento Running with the Devil.
You know, the way he uses his pit.
And I, I always kind of knew that, but I heard him talking

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about that. He said no.
You got to think about these things.
His right hand was very percussive.
He thought about it like a drummer.
Yep, exactly. You know, and some some of the
best guitar players started off as drummers.
I wanted to be a drummer, but mywill, you know, my ability to do
so, my wanting to do so far outweighed my ability to do so.

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That's what I always tell people.
Yeah, yeah, I when I first heardThe Beatles, I told my mother I
wanted a drum kit and she goes, well, just ask for the Christmas
and I did. You know what I got that
Christmas? A.
Drum kit. A harmonica?
Oh. Because Father Christmas didn't
want the noise I'm. Guessing so, but I still play

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harmonica. Right on.
That's funny. Yeah, we might hit you up for
that when we try and recreate the song that you're going to
hear at the beginning. Oh, great.
Freeman. Freeman.
Yeah, yeah, I will drive all theway out to.
Arizona to do it. It'd probably.
Be in Illinois. Illinois.
OK, I can get Illinois. Yeah, it's the digital age, man.

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I'm just figure out how to make it happen.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, Ivy was recorded in two
different studios. They even filmed it in two
different studios. Well.
I and A lot of because we talkedabout Guns and Roses a little
bit, a lot of what the usual Illusions albums were filmed in
pieces, right, Right. They weren't even talking to
each other at the time, correct.You know, and then you had COVID

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hit and so many bands were, wererecording their pieces at home
and then and then digitally, youknow, recording it, then
emailing it to the next member of the band to do their part and
piece it all together. And then they just the, the
beautiful thing about technologyis they can just, you know, put
it all together and create this one magnificent sound.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, I, I did a lot of

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that. I recorded a lot of my stuff in
one studio. Yeah, over to Lewis's finished
up there. The the the guy.
The guy, in fact, on the Shades of Blues album, all the Hammond
B3 organ I recorded at church studios.
Oh. So and and actually the song
spiked from the Rescue to Refugealbum.

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I had the song and I wanted a Hammond B3.
Shipped it all over to church studios, sat on the Hammond B3,
really played it out that. Sound.
Yeah, me too. It's a great sound.
That is so rock'n'roll, and if people at home don't know what
that is, you can think a lot of REO Speedwagon is loaded with

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Hammond. B3 that is a great example.
Good job Mike, because sometimesI feel like we talk over
people's heads. So that was, that was an
outstanding example because I ought to make like in here our
Speedwagon when I had now, yeah.When it's not the piano, it's
it's the Hammond B3. Yeah, that's cool.
That's such a big instrument too.
It's such a great and not big, but I mean, sound wise, it

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fills. It fills the space, Yeah.
By the way, in the world of coolness, I'm a big Dan
Fogelberg fan also. Oh.
Good for you, me too. I got to play on it.
Church Studios has his his grandpiano and I got to play his
grand piano when we recorded thesong Bloomy Sunday.

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That's awesome. Yeah.
So. So if you look at the Shades of
Blues album, that's and, and I was nervous when I started to
plan on that thing because I'm going Dan Fogelberg's fingers
have been here. Yeah, probably the song that
people would know from Dan Fogelberg first and foremost
would be longer for sure, right?Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah.
With Glenn Frosting in background and Joe Walsh playing

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guitar. Russ Conkilon percussion.
I did not know Joe Walsh played guitar on that album.
Yeah. Or on that song.
Excuse me? Yep.
Well, that's awesome. Yeah.
The Eagles were a backup band forever with Linda Ronstadt, so
I wouldn't be surprised if thereare all kinds of studio
musicians, you know, session musicians.
Back in the day, people would bein the studio and say, hey,

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you're doing that. Can can I set in?
Can I do this? Yeah, there.
Wasn't all these publishing rights, and I did this and you
did that, and they weren't fighting about that.
They were trying to do what was right for the music back then.
Yeah, Yeah. Well, we had like, yeah, like
Mike mentioned earlier, we had aa gentleman on in Lemoine
Alexander who's, you know, hip hop producer now he's doing his

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own rock'n'roll thing, but same thing.
He just, he just incorporated all different kinds of things
when he was doing his producing thing just because to make it
sound better and, and to create a better space filling for the
music. And there wasn't, there wasn't
all the nonsense of, oh, you can't.
And he was approached by so manyfantastic artists to work with.
And some of them he just said noto because he didn't want to

(01:02:38):
like crush his his opinion of that artist because there was
such a high level right, Which Ithink is is cool.
But also I would have like jumped at those chances.
But it's just, it's indicative of the respect you have for
musicians at your level that have, have have made this a
career. And you just, you want to be
involved, but you want to make sure it's involved for the right

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reasons, you know? I'd say it's sometimes scary
meeting some of these people. I can see that because they're
not the people you want them to be.
Right. True story.
Yeah, we encountered that too. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, cool. Stories though, and I always
like the happy story. Nokie Edwards was the guitar

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player for the Ventures and I was at the NAMM show working
with Morgan Guitars and we were doing this little round Robin
playing. This guy walks up and he goes,
hey, do you guys mind if I sit in with you and I recognize him
because, you know, I'm a big fanbecause yeah, sure, We're just
all having a little fun here. And he sits in and we ran around

(01:03:45):
a couple times. He didn't play any lead, just
played the rhythm because I'm just, I'm OK.
Third time around he played. He did not play over a single
one of us. Wow.
And I asked about that later. I said, man, you could have
burned us all to the ground. I I walked out to him later.
I was named guys said me. You're Nokia Edwards.
I know who you are. You could have burned us all the

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guys. Nah, man, I just want to have
some fun. You know, you guys were fun.
You guys were good. I had I had a good time, man.
Thank you for letting me do it. Was just so grateful and
appreciative. I love those stories because the
guy that taught me to play guitar was the same way.
He could sit in with anybody andhe would make you look stupid if
you know you had some kind of attitude or whatever.

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But he taught me two lessons that I never forgot.
He always said there's always someone better than you.
Don't ever forget that. And while three valuable
lessons, the second one was always play for the song, right?
You're not the star of the show unless you are the star of the
show. So know your role.
If you're in a band, you're playing for the song, serve the

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song. And the third and probably the
most valuable lesson was you canlearn anything from anyone,
right? Don't ever think that you're
here and there there because they're going to do something
down here that you wouldn't havepaid attention to.
And that really came to serve mewhen I was teaching people in
Arizona. Some of the students would just
do things accidentally that you'd be like, hey, do that

(01:05:10):
again, you know, And then they would get excited because you
were, then they're teaching you something.
Larry Carlton talks about, you know, Larry does those ghost
bends where he bends and rolls in the Volume I.
Love those me. Too.
So they were doing the Simon andSimon soundtrack.
And Larry, he does that for a warm up.
He'll do scales that way. And Tommy Tedesco comes running

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over to what did you do? What did you do?
Show me that. Show me that.
And Larry showed him because I taught Tommy Tedesco something.
That's awesome. How crazy is that?
And now I got to play with Larryat the baked potato shortly
after I graduated college and Ohmy God, you want to talk about a

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humiliating moment in my life? We're just doing a little Blues
thing. And it came to me and I just
froze. I just didn't know what to do.
Larry Nurse made me through somechanges to get me comfortable so
I could play. That's fun.
That's a nice guy. And.
See, here's This is the power ofmusic.
It doesn't matter what level youare.

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It doesn't matter how good you are or how bad you are.
You all have some, all musicianshave something in common.
It's a it's it's a, it's a weirddynamic, drama filled family.
Yeah, right. But it's a common, it's a common
ground. Just like you can walk up to a
stranger who's wearing a A at shirt from some NFL team and you
can instantly spark up a conversation just based on that

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shirt that he's wearing because it's relevant to their life.
It's the same thing with musicians.
You can go to a show, doesn't matter if it's three people in a
bar or 50,000 people. You can, you can connect with a
musician just because of sure fact you're there enjoying
something that you have a commonelement on, regardless of who
you are, where you come from, what you look like.

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It's music, man. It it's just, it connects
people. That's something that you said
that resonated with me, and it'sstill rattling around in my
head. Those are experiences that we've
had collectively that no one else on this planet will ever
understand. We can explain to them what
standing in front of people is like, what playing in a band is
like, but you don't know it unless you've been there.

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Exactly. Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm and she's
guys one of my students. OK, awesome.
This this this is the guy that Iwas abusing his grace today.
So hey. What's up, man?
Introduce yourself. Say hi to these somehow.
I got balloons going. I didn't do the balloons thing.

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No I didn't no my vert that. Somehow so.
So these are guys that I'm talking to you today, Yeah.
Yeah, we're going to, we're going to write this up, Joseph.
So yeah, she can get on every day, man.
So this has been such a treat having you on, man.
Mike was so excited that we got to finally connect with you and

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get you on the show, man. I I appreciate you taking time
out of your busy schedule and your day.
Guys, it has. It has been a blast.
Absolutely. Yeah, we definitely want to have
you back, man. Yes.
And, and I'll be, yeah, I'd loveto.
And I will set the link up on my, I invited my friends to
watch this thing, you know, so, and I'll send it out again and
we're going to put it up on my, on my different Facebook pages.

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And I will send you a private message when the episode drops,
like when I released the RSS feed and he drops it on YouTube.
I'll send you a private message that way too.
Excellent. Yeah, and you can find.
You can tell people where they can find you and all your stuff
again, please, OK. Facebook Joseph Claude Music.
I'm on Spotify. Apple Music, I'm in all all the

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streaming audio, you name it. Just Google search, my name,
YouTube, whatever spell. Your name for people, please.
JOESFGLAUDE. Thank you there.
You go. So I appreciate you guys.
Thank. Thank you for doing this.
Thank you for doing it for us, man, Thank.
You as well and we wrap every show up with this.
Don't let the bad days win. If you're if you're feeling sad,

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you're feeling depressed, reach out to somebody that you know
you can trust and talk to because you don't want to leave
a hole in somebody's heart tomorrow morning if you don't
wake up, Somebody Loves You. Somebody always will.
So be mindful of that. We love all of you for listening
to us and checking us out on YouTube and all the different
platforms. Everybody have a fantastic day.
Again, thank you, Joseph very much.
Thanks, you're amazing human. We appreciate you being on.
Tell your lovely bride we said hello.

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And I will do that. Love you man, love you too.
Love you. Guys too man, thanks a lot.
Joseph, hey, good day. Look the tablet, you're insane.

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Feel the Jesus open your life onyour journey.
You will go. Feel the trail behind your eyes.
Feel yourself and need yourself.Take a moment.

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Look until you see it. The battle that's too far queer.
But the battle but you far queer.
Who is this baby to your fingers?
Oh yeah, this is too young here.Now you're coming.

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Come down here. We haven't found Charlie in the
sand from fighting. Wait for the dead.
Wait for the the wind. You ain't no creature.
We're playing fire. You should.
You press on the almighty day. You gotta dream.

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Who in your life to keep your soul in every man?
Take your turn behind your eyes.Feel the soul.
Everyone shame now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Take your moment.
We can see your fear. You

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gotta, you gotta. You gotta.
You gotta.