#120 - From Pearl Jam to Podcasting - Music, Memories, & Meaning - The Chris & Mike Show

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We're live on the YouTube boys and girls.
Hello. Hola.
Hola MI Amor cristobal como esta.
Miguel. Hola, Miguel.
Don de Salam Bano. That was where's the bathroom
there, man? That's it, That's all.

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That's all I've hoped past. Here we go, You know we're just
going to this play. One of my favorite songs.
We ever wrote. I like I blew out the thing.

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We win. This world's a day.
We have a picture. Yeah.

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Hello boys and girls. It's Chris.
That's Mike. It's the Chris and Mike show.
What's up, ladies and gentlemen?Yes.
What's up ladies? It's just us.
Today we had somebody coming on that deemed herself the
survivor, but apparently she hasnot survived since the last time
we instructed her to come on theshow today.
Well, we hope she survived. Well, yeah, it's just, you know,
that was my clever plan. Words.

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I don't know what her we never like dove deep into things, you
know, as far as insurance and outs of of what we're going to
talk about. But it's OK, we got plan to talk
about because. In the grand scheme of things,
I'm voting for flaking out versus death.
Right. Well, I, I, I didn't want to
make that assumption of death. I just was being comical about

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the surviving, you know, I got, I'm a survivor.
I'm, you know, whatever it is. So, so there's that.
So what's going on, Mr. Mike Michaels?
I'm enjoying some Don Francisco's with the Honey Don.
Francisco, I had some Don Francisco earlier today.
Man, I like the butterscotch stuff still.
It's still my favorite. I've been stuck on it, so you

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know, I'm an Amazon Prime customer, and with Amazon Prime,
they tell you how many times you've ordered each thing, which
sometimes can be quite comical. I've ordered those three cans of
coffee 37 times. Holy smokes, man.
Yeah, I've been drinking that for a while.
I think I'm only on our 4th or 5th jar of it.

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Well, you're you're, you're a newcomer.
So I'm a newcomer. I am a newcomer.
And how many, how many, how muchDon Francisco coffee do you
drink on a weekly basis? Like do you go through the
entire can in a week or does it take a little bit longer?
Oh, it's longer than a week for sure.
Is it from Columbia or Peru 'cause I want to know where does
Don Francisco come from? It's from Colombia, it says so
right on the can. So is Don Francisco, is he a

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Don? Is he a Italian Don?
Is he like Gotti? Like he just runs a runs an
empire in in Colombia? No, I'm going with he's probably
yeah. What are they in?
They're Colombian. They're Colombian, a political
refugee from Colombia. My name is Tony Montana.
What's you talking about, man? What's you talking about?

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The octopus coming out of my ears, man.
OK, OK. Kind of like Juan Valdez in his
faithful goat. Yes, yes, yes, I remember that
when he was walking on the ledges of of of the mountaintop,
right. And and wasn't that the coffee
commercial with a dude in New York City it?
Just became it became a funny thing to say in the 90s with all

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that, you know, up and comers that thought we were cool.
Right. Everybody just started saying
Juan Valdez and his faithful goat.
It was just fun. That's awesome.
But yeah, you got it. That was the commercial.
OK, cool. I thought so.
So you saw the the thing we can do headlines like that, that

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CEO, which I don't understand what the big deal is about.
Like the CEO was caught on a Cam, like a kiss Cam of the
Coldplay concert. You see that shit and it's like
all the rage. I did not educate me.
It's, it's some CEO, he's at a Coldplay concert, ACEO for an
astronomy company or something. And and he's at the Coldplay
concert with his girlfriend while his wife's at home with

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their kids. Right.
But, but I mean, I don't, I would never do that in my
relationship, Right? But, and to each his own, but we
don't know the other side of that coin.
And everybody's, you know, oh, big deal, big deal about all
this shit. I'm like, well, is that really
news? Is it really relevant?
Does is it affect his job as ACEO?

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Probably not. So I think, I think I've said on
here many times, and I'll probably say it many more till
people get sick of it, but you're right, life is all
perspective, right, Right. So while on the face of it,
yeah, that doesn't seem like it would be news, but most people

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are looking at the news like it's news.
And what I hear when you say that is it just proves to me
that the news is what it is, entertainment.
Exactly. Yep, exactly 100%.
That's what I hear when you say that headline.
It's just because. It's entertainment.
Right, 'cause I don't care. I'm not losing sleep because the
guy's standing in a kiss, right?So I don't know why people are.
I mean, there's funny stuff going on.

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Like somebody created the AI thing, Like, you know, AI nailed
it. Because as soon as they came
into play, the dude picked up the chick and threw her off
screen and jumped the other direction.
And you know. I guess I should be careful to
say what I mean by I don't give a shit is I don't know the guy,
right? Well, no, right.
If he's cheating on his wife, I care a lot.
That's wrong. You know you shouldn't be doing
shit like that. But I don't know and you don't
know and they don't know either.And that's your point, so.

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Yeah, it's like nobody understands what the dynamic is
'cause it could, you know, we had, we had somebody on our show
that that it's in. He's in an open relationship
with his wife, right? Correct.
And she has a hall pass for the rest of her life, as does he.
And that's their dynamic. And there's a lot of that out
there. Right and more.
Than most people know. Right.
And there's nothing wrong with that if that's if that's what

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you as a couple decide, right. So when I saw it, and then I
started seeing more and more of it, and then people are posting
it and I just kind of like, that's what you're focusing on.
Like well, and it's funny that you bring that up because I
didn't know that story, but I literally yesterday, true story,
just had this conversation abouthuman beings in general.

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Yes, in that we have not lived as monogamous being.
No. For very long in the context of
humanity, right. So if you go from, we discussed
it on the last show, I think mitochondrial, yeah, we can
trace everybody back to this onewoman.
Right. Yes, yes, from.
That point forward, we have lived in most actually tribes of

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50 to 100 people and nobody knewwho's each other's kids were
because it wasn't necessary for survival, right?
We were not monogamous. No, it was communal sex, it was
Woodstock on steroids, but it was an everyday aspect, part of
life. Correct.
And the man haunted and the women gathered and did the
cooking and taking care of the kids and whatever.
But there was no you're my womanand that's my man.

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And that's not how people have lived.
This is a new concept to humanity.
So if you want to know why men cheat a lot, it's because it's
still in our DNA, right? They're part of that is
ingrained in that in our species.
We're supposed to procreate and keep the human population going
forward. We didn't.
There was a time we, you said it, we got down to less than

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2000 people. We could have never dreamed
there would be 8 billion people on the planet.
Right. No, no, because those 2000
people did so much. Here's a Here's a fun thing to
do since you like the Google machine.
You were born in 1970. Yes.
OK, look at the United States population in 1970.

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This is fascinating because thenwe'll look at the United States
population today, and it's crazyhow fast we populate this
planet. Yeah, especially with just 2000
people because, you know, they had to be doing it every day.
I'm going to guess in 1970 the population was around 215

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million. US population in no OK in 1970.
Come on man, that's not what I asked.
Sometimes I just this, ladies and gentlemen.
Sometimes I just like to hear him argue with the Google
machine. This is what I asked US,

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Population 97. This is what I got.
OK legit what percentage of the US was white in 1970?
I didn't say that. I said US population 1970.
So this is thus 65% of the US population identified as white.
Only some identified as both as white and a member of a racial
slap ethnic minority group. This is in contrast to 93%

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identifying as white in 1970. US since since 1970.
One 80% Nineteen, 8076 percent 90.
I didn't. I asked the population, man.
Like that's what I asked. It's stupid, stupid, stupid man.
OK, so sometimes it's how you ask.
So one thing that I learned withthe Google machine and ladies
and gentlemen, if you're listening and you're smarter

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than me, I apologize, but this might help people that are right
where I was. Don't use the term what is so
leave. So I just put US population in
1970 and it came right up 203,302,031 people.
OK, well fuck you Google. Yeah, sometimes you got to be

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smarter than the Google and thatpisses me off.
Yeah, yeah. OK, so now US population in
2025. Are you doing it on yours or I
need to do it on mine because wedon't have it on mine.
I'll get it. OK, how many people live in

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America? How many people?
331 million. Well according to this it says
340.1 million in 2024 because all of a sudden when I typed how
many people live, that's what populated 330.1 million.
So that's 120 some million people. 7.5 million in Arizona.

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7.5 million in Arizona. Now here's the here's a cool
little graph I see. So in 1940 we had 484,000 people
in Arizona. 1940 there was 400, just short of 500,000.
People. Yep, exactly.
So in 19, Wow, what is that 60? In 1960 we jumped to 1.4 million

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in 40. In 20 years, boys and girls,
Arizona's population increased. Almost tripled in size.
Well, I was going to say over a million, like legit over
1,000,000 people in that year. And then in in from 1960 to 1988
doubled to 2.7 million. From 1982 thousand it more than
doubled at 5.1 million. And in two thousand 2020 it went

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from 5 million to 7.4 million, which is where this says we
hover today. 7.4 million was thethe census in 2024 or 7 point.
Yeah. So that's crazy.
We're like ants. We really.
Are more like rabbits man, you know?
I mean, just the way that we keep building.
Yeah, You know, yeah, probably where we shouldn't.

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We we were never meant to live in that valley in the middle of
the desert. No.
If it wasn't for the Indians, I don't think they're Native
American excuse. Me.
God. Damn it.
It's OK man, you know it's it's they built all the This is not a
politically correct show. The Hohokam built a.
Canal. No, but I like to.
I like. To oh, I know it's always good

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to be politically correct and, you know, in some facets.
That was one of the things that I learned when I moved there
that I found fascinating, though, is that the Native
Americans actually built the waterways from the mountains
down to the valley so that they could grow food and live and
can't survive without water. So.
Yeah, so here's the Google machine, and this is from CNN.

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So Netflix shares fall as weak dollar driven forecast fails to
impress. Whatever the hell that means.
Where's this? Oh yeah, no, that's not what I
saw. Something I was like, oh that
look interesting. Well, there's a lot of those
things that are starting to price themselves out of
existence, man. Yeah, every year they keep

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right. You know, YouTube TV, when I
first signed up for it was sub $60.00 for the first six months
and then it was like 62. Now it's like 82 or 80.
Four they. Just keep raising it every
quarter or six months or year. They're just going to price
themselves out of existence. They'll be like cable.
People will have to choose whichone or two they're going to

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have, or they're going to have to, I don't know, lower the
prices. Well, it's, it's that thing like
Nick and I were talking about the other day, like we have all
these streaming things we need to go through and just figure
out which ones we actually watch.
And they just get rid of the West because it's it's it's a
waste of money. I mean, like Paramount I get
from a friend of mine. So that's cool.

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I wonder who that could be? Disney I get, we get From the
Sky, so that's cool. But so then we have Apple, we
have Hulu, we have Netflix, YouTube TV.
What else is on there? Peacock.
Peacock. And the reason I got Peacock, to
be honest with you, is because he had the Super fan episodes of
The Office, and there's other other things that trickle on

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that one. And I get that.
I keep Netflix because I love Seinfeld.
Right, right. Amazon Prime.
I don't think we ever really watch, you know, every now and
then. Amazon Prime.
I'll send you some stuff on there that I.
Think like, OK, and we were, when we were up at Nick's cabin
over the 4th weekend, I was on Bruce's, Nick's partner or Bruce

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or Nick's husband. I was on his, his apple, right?
It was his Apple. Yeah.
And there's all kinds of shit I didn't know exist.
I'm like, that's fascinating. But then it was his account.
So when I got home, I couldn't find that shit.
And I didn't think to remember. But there's some really
fascinating documentaries on on Apple TV that I wasn't aware of.
And I got to kind of dive into that and see, see.
What? Maybe I should go through that
again too. I that might overlook some stuff

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too. So, so 90s kid, OK 90s like 1990
nineties kid. OK.
Have you ever seen that? No, it's a documentary.
It's a it's a really cool documentary, actually.
So L Moon Frye, AKA Punky Brewster from our generation
right TV show. Well, during her her lifetime as
a, as a thespian, she carried a,a camcorder worth her the whole

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time, the entire time. So like there's, there's like
there's, there's house parties at her house because her
neighborhood, she grew up in a very working class, single level
ranch style home in California. Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't
think it. But if you think about how, how
that all plays out with a, a child actor, they don't get the

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money till they're of age. They get paid their working
wage, basically whatever. They're unless you're Gary
Coleman and your parents rape all your money from you, right?
So a very middle class lifestyle, but anything, anybody
and every, not anybody, but almost all of the people that
were around the Punky Brewster era.
As far as other fellow actors inthat same age, great age range,

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all of them at some point in time, they all connected with
each other, which I think is because of the age and and back
then, back then, the Hollywood is different than it is now,
right? Because it was a more close
knit, you know, But I mean, think about, I mean Saved by the
Bell cast. Well, and they would have that
thing that you like to talk about that I don't think I ever
put into words as far as being in a band together.

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Nobody will ever have that feeling because you were never
there. So they have that common ground
of if you weren't a child actor,you don't know what it's like to
have to work 16 hours a day whenyou're 10 years old, you know?
But, and the cool thing about itwas so you have all these and it
shows all her stuff. It shows, it shows the the cute
little punky booster growing up and all the little innocence,

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right? And then it it there's a there's
a segment where she was out partying with someone she knew,
you know, passed out drunk, stupid thing.
And then, you know, when she came, basically she lost her
virginity because the guy was took advantage of her because
when she came out of, of whatever this was on the on the
show, the house room, whatever, he, he, he was like, how does it

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feel to not be a virgin anymore?And she was like, what the fuck?
Like because she was they, she went through a whole party stage
with. How old was she?
Teenager. No, I was, it was, I think it
was after she was 18, but, but the, yeah, probably after 18
because that's when she kind of started her and her core group

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of friends. They all kind of started
dabbling with, with the different kinds of drugs and you
know, the, the beers and the partying.
Because she specifically, I don't know if you remember this
or not, I vaguely do because I'm, I could care less about
women's breasts. But she had developed from like
nothing to like double D in, in a, in a span of like 3 or 4
years. So once Punky Brewster ended,

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she used being typecast just forthe boobs.
Like that's how she met Mark Paul Gossler.
So her I wouldn't remember because I guess I never
considered Punky Brewster to be hot.
You know, I watched the show, but yeah, I wouldn't have
remembered that. Yeah, no, so, but she had she,
she had developed so dramatically that she actually

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had breast reduction surgery at a very young age.
But that's go through school that had to have that done too
high school. You know, genetics sucks
sometimes, right, And but that'show she met.
That's how she ended up becomingfriends with all saved by the
cast bell, because they cast heron that show as as Mark Paul
Gosser's character. Zach was like wowed by the
boobs, but that was all her stuff.
Was she just she went through this time frame and she even

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talked about on the on this documentary.
It's like I went from being a child legitimately then all of a
sudden overnight looking like developed overnight, which it
didn't. But it you know, for all, for
all intensive purposes, if you didn't see her every day, all of
a sudden you see her six months later, but then she's the way
they treat her dramatically changed.
She was being treated like a child and then all of a sudden,

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because of, you know, the C's and the D's that she was, you
know, developing into the adultsstarted treating her
differently. The men started treating her
differently because because misogynistic assholes, you know,
sexism, all that kind of jazz, you know, focus right on the
boobs. Now, if you've never if you've
never really Oh, it's I don't want to say participant if

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you've never been really been affected by that.
Here's a quick story. So Nikki and I had one.
I had one Fox Sports when the Diamondbacks were still
Colangelo owned. They had this, this contest
right for charities. And I want it, which I don't
know how I want it for $1000. But there's an entire behind the
scenes tour of the Fox Studios at Bank 1 Ballpark, behind the

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scenes of all the media at Bank 1 Ballpark.
I I know we've talked about it because I, I met Greg Schulte,
who's a total prick. Yes, Greg Schulte doesn't.
Listen to every episode. So yeah.
No, I think you and I had had this conversation, but so I
think we. Talked about it on here too, but
it's. Cool story.
OK, so we met. We met Greg Schulte Brick.
I said it twice. You're welcome.
Joe Garrigiolo, senior, super nice guy, like just amazing.

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And he actually signed a baseball for me.
I have no idea where it is. Which that sucks because you
know, he was just a superhuman, but we got to see all the.
I'm jealous you met him. I always thought he was really
cool when he did the color commentary for the time back, so
it seemed like a really new and human being so.
That's good. And that's and that's how it
came across where when we walkedinto the booth, Schulte and him
were in there. And Schulte, really, You thought

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that we were intruding on his life's work like he was going to
he. Could tell he was put out by the
fact he had to. Him.
Totally, totally. Yeah, I hate that.
And and didn't pretend like, just like I left there thinking
you're a Dick, Joe, you're amazing.
That's great to be here. Yeah, and if it would have been
in my world today now, I would have told Schulte you're a Dick.

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Like really dude? I won a contest for Diamondback
Charities to be here, you can give me 5 minutes of your
precious time because all you dois sit on your fat ass and talk
about a baseball game for four hours.
So really dude, really? You're not that good, right?
They live in most people's dreamthat love baseball.
They would love to do that. Exactly.
Yeah, be gracious, man, because I don't even know where he is

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anymore. So just be gracious and
respectful just for the sheer fact that, you know, you're
you're 5 minutes with me. Change my perception of you for
the rest of my life, Greg. Rest of my life, you will always
be a prick. Joe Garry, Joe Osina, who's no
longer with us, will always be agenuine human being.
That was super nice to us. And then you have Todd Walsh,
OK, the guy that would comment before the show, before the game

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and after the game, remember. Him.
OK? Yep, I do now, yeah.
So while we were talking to ToddWalsh, what do you think his
eyes were the entire time looking at Nikki's breasts?
Nikki's cleavage, because she was wearing a jersey so you
could see the cleavage. And kid you not, that's how
disrespectful this dude was the entire time that we are talking
to him and it's Nikki and I and him and he.

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Legit every time I catch his eyehe's looking at her cleavage
right in front of me. A quick addendum, public service
announcement gentleman out there, if you were standing in
front of a woman who especially if it's a tall woman and she
has, she's well endowed, do yourbest to look at her eyes while
she's talking to you. That's that's the respectful

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thing to do. They're a human being.
They are a beautiful creature. There's no question.
But that is I agree with Chris, that is so super disrespectful.
All of us want to sit there and say, yes, you're beautiful and
you have you're you're well endowed.
It's. Gorgeous isn't wasn't well
endowed. What what what you talk about
with men, whereas women it's it's you're voluptuous.

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Voluptuous. Yeah, yeah, I think the dwell
endowed refers to the danglings.Yeah, whatever you got.
Big tits. I mean, that's how I talk.
I'm just trying not to talk thatway.
Right now, now we can go furtherwith this example and go to the
Seinfeld episode where they're pitching the pilot.
Remember that. Yes.
And, and what's his face's daughter comes in the room and

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he catches George Costanza, like, motorboating without
motorboating his daughter. And then so he likes Russell or
something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Russell,
Right. And then he flies off the
handle, which rightfully so. Yep, you're, you're, you're.
Ogling my my daughter, my innocent little daughter.
You're Googling, you know, ogling her, right?
So then what do the Seinfeld does?

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He gets Elaine or Elaine convinces them that she can do
it right. And then so Elaine shows up at
this restaurant and she's tryingso hard to find it.
She's just. Going to push up, Bra going
right. Yep, and and then he's like
Russell's staring right at Elaine, but Jerry's over here.
He's like line of sight, huh? Yep.
The next episode they have theirpilot.

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So you know, that's. We're all guilty.
Right. But it just, it was fascinating
to me to watching her documentary because it had, it
truly gave very raw and real footage of what it was like to
grow up in Hollywood at the time.
She had nothing negative to say about her childhood.
She said she had a great childhood.
She didn't miss out on anything.The people that were in the

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commentary with her, Perry Ferrell was in it, you know,
Mark, Paul Gossler, the the someof the crew from Alf and
Emmanuel Lewis and Gary. I mean, just kind of anybody and
everybody in that era was. There.
This is on Apple. I don't think it's.
I think it's on. I don't know what was on this
Apple or or Netflix or something.
Hold on, I'll Google it. OK, 90s kid, Nineties, 90s kid.

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So well. Kid 90 is what it's called kid
90. That's a coming of age story.
So here's the people in it. So I'm Moon Fry, Jonathan
Brandis, Justin Pierce, LeonardoDiCaprio, Harold Hunter, Johnny
Depp, Mark Wahlberg's in it Charlie Sheen.
She loved Charlie Sheen. She wanted to marry Charlie

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Sheen, which is kind of funny, but that age, right, her dad
found out was an actual like rock star actor who was in the
Marlon Brando era, Paul Newman era.
Brian Austin Green from nine O 2and on David Arquette's in
there. Corey Feldman, Sarah Gilbert
Meyer Lopez, Michael Rapaport, Steven Dorf, Alfonso Riviera,

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Freddie Prinze Junior Joey Lawrence.
I mean, it's a it's a list. Mark Paul Gossler, Perry
Farrell, Mark McGrath Bartholos and our Getty Emmanuel Lewis,
Jonathan Silverman, Heather McComb, Dana Ashbrook, Charlie
Johnson, Virgil Fries, Her dad, some Danny Boy rapper that she
dated for a while. You can tell we lived through

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the 90s. I recognize every name.
Yeah, it was, it was, it was amazing.
Just the amount of of people that.
But again, it goes along. Yeah, it's on YouTube and Hulu,
but it goes along with it goes along with because she just
carried this camera around and then I think 6 or 8 of them all
passed away in her lifetime. Like like some suicide, like one

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of one of the girls, she wreckedher, her Corvette.
And then so a week later, she blew her head off Jonathan
Brandis hung himself in a hallway.
It just, you know, crazy that the, the trauma that they went
through, but it was all documented, which was cool.
The good, then the bad. And then, you know, and she
looks good for her age too, because she's around our age.

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It was just, it's a fascinating thing.
If you, if you, if you grew up watching 90s sitcoms, watch
that. It's an hour and a half long.
It's, it's, you don't have to really watch it.
Watch it. It can be background noise.
You still pick it all up becauseall it is is interviews.
And she recorded phone calls, dude.
She recorded messages from from like throughout her career.
She said fuck some fucking some context in her.

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She has she has a voice message from a manager lighting her up.
Like why are you doing that? People don't want to see Punky
Booster saying fuck it's. Funny you say that because I
just got done listening to a Henry Rollins interview from
like 2017 on Rogan and he documented every show he ever
played from the time he before he was in Black Flag.
So like the very first band he was ever in when he was like 17,

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he documented the date, the time, the venue, where it's at,
all the way through. Like, you know, he became a
spoken word guy. What, in the 90s, late 90s
maybe. And he's been doing that pretty
much ever since. In addition to his music, he's
documented all those shows too. And he does like 150 to 170 of
those shows a year. I thought that was fascinating.

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Most people don't have that. That's an OCD on a level even I
don't have. Yeah, that's that's it's well,
YouTube does it. YouTube records all their shows,
but they do that. I think more from the standpoint
of let's make sure we're doing putting the best product on
stage and and make sure that if we, we, because you catch things
live that unless you're recording it, you never can

(28:04):
recapture that, which is which is why bands it's a good idea.
Like we did you record your practices, whether it's audio or
video, because there's things that you do when you're jamming,
your chances are you're never going to you're never going to
grab that again because it's it's in the moment.
Well, yeah, I told you that was the best lesson that I ever got
from the guy that taught me to play guitar was he just made one

(28:27):
simple statement. Tape doesn't lie, you know.
So if you think you're playing good, record it.
And a lot of times you'll listento it back and go, oh, yeah.
That's not it's only sounds goodto me.
It doesn't sound good to anybodyelse.
Right. Or you confirm, yeah, it sounds
maybe even better than I thoughtit did.
There's those instances as well.But you're right man, if you
have to record it and listen back to it because sometimes

(28:50):
your ears are deceiving, you want to believe it sounds good.
Yeah, you do. And like you said, you're here
to receive. It's kind of like being nose
blind, right? You live in the house and you
have your smells and all of a sudden somebody comes to your
house like your house smells, man.
What is that? Well, do you know that
scientifically, your nose doesn't smell anything?
Your nose detects changes in smell, which is why people can

(29:11):
live next to like a sail barn, you know, where they sell hogs
and cattle and people say they get used to it.
That's true. Because your nose actually
detects changes in smell. You don't smell anything.
It's a defense mechanism that wehave.
Interesting. So that you don't eat something
that would poison you. Before we knew what things were
right, you'd picked up that plant and it stunk and you're

(29:33):
like, Oh yeah, don't eat that. OK, I never knew that.
Yep, interesting. The things you learn man.
The things you learn. So do you have anything yet
ripped from the headlines you want to chat about?

(29:54):
I don't know man. I kind of, I haven't really
watched the news here lately. Yeah, I haven't either.
I mean a little bit, but mostly to see what the weather was.
I've been having fun driving my new ride man.
Oh, I bet, yeah. Going flying down the country.
Roads. Yeah, I actually get in the car
and go for a drive here lately. And I'll give a shout out to

(30:16):
this guy because he really inspired me to start picking up
my guitar. I'd play every day anyway, but
man, I'm playing a lot longer watching this guy's YouTube
channel. It's the Feedback Guitar
Academy. If you're a guitar player and
you're listening to this podcast, check this guy out.
He's very he explains things andlayman's terms so idiots like me

(30:37):
can understand. And he's very passionate about
what he does. I like his energy.
You know, he just makes you wantto play.
Right on. Instead of talking to his
audience like they're idiots, which a lot of guys do, even if
they don't realize it, he's verypositive.
You know, like I made all these mistakes too, and here's how I
fixed them. I like people like that.

(30:58):
Yeah, yeah. So I have been watching a lot of
his channel here lately. Well, that's good.
Oh, and I ran that. I ran that scenario by, I told
you I work with a lady whose parents immigrated here from
Mexico. And I said I almost guarantee

(31:20):
you that she would say it, that your story gives her people a
bad name. 100 per. Story.
Whose story? Yours.
All about about the people that were blocking my line and.
When they pretended that they couldn't understand a word you
said. And one of the first things she
said was, you know, how did theyget a landscaping job if they
couldn't understand that, You know, Yeah.

(31:42):
Yeah, I had somebody reach out. That just was like way pissed
off when they saw that I had somebody else reach out.
Somebody I sold the house to years ago.
Kevin Klein, who owns. Pissed off in what context?
Well, the SO the landscape when they were pissed off that I was
treated the way I was treated because I wasn't being a Dick.
I was wanting to make sure that people are mad in the right
direction. Right.
So they were pissed off how how they reacted to my request to to

(32:05):
politely just move their vehiclebecause again, I got there and
so. Well, of course, her first
question was the same question that we all had.
Why did they block the pump to begin with?
Right. They're going to go in and sit
down and eat breakfast. Why did they just leave their
vehicle there? Yeah, and that's the thing, too,
because when you go into a restaurant, you know, you order,
then you got 20 minutes usually for your food, of course.

(32:26):
So he was at least there for 1/2an hour, I'd say, because by the
time I walked in there, he was already probably 1/4 of the way
through what he was eating. So there's at least 1/2 an hour
of him blocking that. So I want the first person that
he blocked. And then by the time I went in
and out of the restaurant, whilethey ignored me, then came back
and kind of looked at the situation.
How can I get my truck maneuvered so I can get this

(32:48):
fuel? Because again, my truck takes
ethanol as well as gas. There's only two stations in
Arizona that take ethanol. This was one of them.
So if you didn't hear the story,I pulled up this landscape
truck, a white dual dually Crew Cab with the world's longest
trailer was basically blocking 3to 4 pumps on one side of this
gas station with only has 12 pumps.

(33:12):
The ethanol had two. The one on the north side of
this pump was out of order. So I the S 1 was the only one
available. So I had to figure out how to
maneuver around to get to it, which I eventually did and just
extended the hose all the way across, you know, the, the
little concrete pad, whatever. I couldn't go up too close
because some other bozo was sitting there with his truck, a

(33:33):
delivery van that was nowhere tobe seen.
So it's like everybody decides let's just park under the gas
pumps so we can eat food insteadof actually parking in the 12
spots in front of the restaurant, which is fine.
So, but I had, I have, I've had people reach out.
They were pissed off about the the fact that it's not that
difficult to just, you know, be a nice human.

(33:55):
Now, transversely, the other funthing that happened with the
months park the the tire rubbingon the white car.
Somebody I sold the house two years ago, Kevin Klein.
Hey, Kevin, who owns a motorcycle shop in Colorado.
He looks at the picture of the car and he's like carb cleaner.
I was like, what? He's like, carb cleaner takes
that right off. That's the extent of the damage

(34:15):
of that car that that crazy ladyis telling me, trying, trying
to, trying to say that, oh, you know, damages and whatever.
Yeah, and that's basically what I saw.
And I'm an idiot. I don't, I'm not a body guy, but
you know, I would be. My initial thought would be, oh,
fuck, you know, But then when I looked at it again, it's like,

(34:38):
OK, so it sucks that it happenedright?
But I think I told you in a textmessage, that's the best of a
worst case scenario, right? At least it can be buffed out
and it's a body. Guy looked at that just like you
said and went no problem. And he looked at it off a
picture, so he's not even seeingit in person, right?
He's seen it from a. Picture.
But if you blew that up like I'msure he did and I did, I blew it

(35:00):
up as far as I could get it. There was no dent.
There's no paint missing. It's just no your rubber scuffed
the what left side of her bumper.
The the passenger, the driver's side rear panel, right, right as
you, as you, as you pass the tire go up to where the trunk's
at. It rubbed right there.

(35:21):
That's it. And it can be cleaned with carb
cleaner. So you don't even need a body
guy. No, but you know, according to
her, she's probably walking around in crutches with a, with
a neck brace and you know, and how much damage did she say was
I don't know. They, they won't tell me.
They I called, no, I called AAA yesterday to get an update And,

(35:42):
and I, it's like I put the lady out who's handling the claim
because she was like really short.
I'm like, I'm just calling to get an update.
She's like, well, if I had an update, I would let you know.
I'm like, oh, OK, well, sorry for bothering you.
I just wanted to get an update. And you know that was that.
I can't believe that people go to that level.
I know something that's that minute, you know, does it suck?

(36:06):
Yeah. Anybody would.
Their initial reaction would be,ah, shit, you know, that really
sucks. But then you kind of calm down a
little bit and you look at the situation, you're like, you
know, my car is not dented, the Fender still there.
There's no paint missing. OK, we're good.
Yeah. That would have been me.
By the end of it, I'd have been like, this sucks, but you know,

(36:29):
I'll take care of it, it's no big deal.
Right and that's the thing and that's what I told her when I
looked at it. I'm like, OK, I'm sorry, I
didn't mean to do it. You're you're the way you were
parked aided in the fact that mytire clipped it because you're
not parked in properly, which I get because it was a crazy
parking lot, a convenience storeparking lot.
I said, but it's it's something he'll be buffed out.

(36:49):
It's I didn't damage your vehicle, aside from tire tread
rubbing on your Fender, it's nothing.
That's, but she wasn't having it.
She wouldn't give me her name. I'm sorry.
I ordered the police report. I'm waiting to get that.
So when I get that, I'm hopefully it will, it will shed
some light on who she is and like license plate and name and
all that kind of jazz. So then I can, I have a friend
whose husband's a private investigator.

(37:11):
So I can be like, hey, go track this woman down and and get
pictures of her doing jumping jacks in her front yard 'cause
you know she is. Right, Yeah, 'cause those kind
of people aren't smart enough toplay that role all the way
through. You know, that's the long con,
and that takes commitment. Well, and just to do it with, I
mean, and she had her two daughters there, which were it's
hard to tell how old girls are, But I'm, you know, from from a

(37:33):
visual standpoint, I'm thinking,you know, 17 to like 22 range,
right, because you just, it's hard to tell, like I couldn't
tell how old she was, but I'm assuming she's probably in her
40s but acting like a nine year old.
But that's like you're showing that's your example to your
daughters. You they know you're lying.
Right. Like they, they just the example

(37:54):
and you're specifically showing them how to try to con the
system for something that didn'thappen and, and, and try to get
money out of it. And then in return F over the
person that you're going after. Because if if the claim gets
settled then all of a sudden my insurance goes up for something
that was really a 5 minute buff it out, you're done stupid.

(38:21):
People suck. Sometimes people do suck.
Or, as I told you and as Jim told us many years ago, people
are strange. People are strange when they're
strangers. Yeah, I have a This is a little
fun little story, so I. Actually thought I understood
that song, but it took me a longtime to really understand it.
I get. It now the people are strange.

(38:42):
When you're a stranger, that's the important part of that song
is I don't think like the rest of you.
That's what he was telling us, right?
I can't. I can't comprehend the way you
guys are living. So people are strange when
you're a stranger. Faces look ugly when you're
alone. Women seem wicked when you're
unwanted. Streets aren't even when you're
down when you're strange. Faces come out of the rain when

(39:05):
you're strange. No one remembers your name when
you're strange, when you're strange, When you're strange.
See. That's it.
That's the entire context of thelyrics.
That's it. He wrote 1/2, 2 verses and a
course. I know, but it's.
That's dude, but. That's all it took.

(39:25):
It took me 20 years to figure out exactly what he was saying
because you have to live that many years of your life to
really get what he was saying. He had to live that many years
to write those lyrics. That's that's, that's insane
that it's that simple. I mean, I mean, you know me and
you and I are both like, you know, simple as you know, keep
it simple. But that's.

(39:45):
So now I would like to call it effective, right?
How effective is that simplicity?
Because he packed that message, just that one line to me.
People are strange when you're astranger.
Just that one line that just blows by so many people.
They don't get it. I didn't mean to interrupt your.
Story. No, no, you're good dude.

(40:08):
But that's just I mean, I've I love Morrison and the door.
I know you do. I just that blows my mind that I
never realized that was just basic.
You were actually the person in my life that gave me the
appreciation for the Doors that I never have because you were so
rabid about Morrison at the time, and rightfully so.
Right? You're coming from a lyricist
standpoint. Yeah.
Wow. My dad is a fan of the.

(40:31):
Doors too. So I listened to him, but you
know, then I met you and I'm like, oh alright, I better give
him a listen again. Right, so this is a funny thing
since we're on the doors, so andI've I've known this for years.
So the radio version of break onthrough the other side is
actually actually has been edited.
It doesn't have all the true original lyrics in it because
you have the the 1st 2 verses that you know, you know night.

(40:54):
Day destroys the night, Night defies the day.
Try to run. Try to hide, break on through to
the other side. Great song.
Right. And we chased our pleasures
here, dug all treasures there. But can you kill, Recall the
time we cried, break on through to the other side.
So hey, Yeah, Come on. Yeah.
Right. And then everybody loves my
baby. Remember this part?
Everybody loves my baby. Everybody loves my baby.
Right. They took all that out.

(41:17):
That's that's the high parts outlike that.
She no longer no, if you listen to the radio, you will never
hear the she gets high part. I guess I never realized that
because I always listen to my version on, you know, my
playlist. Right, No, even on, even on even
on like the the stuff you buy online because I've I've bought

(41:38):
the all the greatest hits and stuff that's cut out.
It's kind of like with Creed with what's this life for where
stop stop no longer sings. He never hit.
He no longer sings God damn in the song and on the the version
you buy online, they they took it out, which, you know, we've
talked about that before becausehis he got religiified again,

(41:59):
which is cool, but so that's something he doesn't want to
have with his legacy anymore. So that that lyrics gone.
It's just you don't ever hear him sing, you know?
No, Whatever the fuck it is, I can't.
Probably goddamn school or whatever.
Don't have to settle. No goddamn school there, you.

(42:19):
Go. That's the line.
And but that, to me, changes thevibe of that song because it
captures the moment of his angerand angst towards the organized
religion, you know, which he struggled with for a long
portion of his life when Creed became Creed and broke out, you
know? And I guess that's why so I have
my opinions on this too, but they've, they've changed over

(42:42):
the years. Just like I like to say, I'm not
married to any of my ideas, right?
I, it's good to be open and likea sponge for your entire life.
But I guess what I would like tosay about that is it was written
just like you said, in the rightartistic context for the message
of the song. It's not like he was given a

(43:04):
middle finger to God himself or the idea of a supreme being.
He was given the middle finger to the oppressive.
Right. I have my thumb on you from his
father and his mother or whoeverin his family, you know, forced
him to be what he didn't feel was him at the time, right?

(43:26):
Which everybody goes through. That's the teenage angst.
That's why bands like Pearl Jam were so successful at their
breaking point. Because the entire 10 album and
never mind Nirvana, all that waswas never Mind Itself or Smells
Like Teen Spirit, the epitome ofteenage angst.
But, and that's but and and teenagers identified that shit
kind of like back in the day, they identified to The Beatles,

(43:47):
right? They identified to the Doors
because here's something completely out of the norm that
the parents didn't like at all, because it wasn't Dean Martin.
Well, and one thing that you andI have commented that I'd like
to reiterate because not everybody listens to every show,
but right, you can't touch PearlJams 10 album.

(44:07):
It's one of the greatest debut albums in the history of music
of any kind. They never recreated that after
maybe verses, right? Phytology had some great songs
on. So we'll give them up to
Vitology, but they lost that fire and I'm not sure it's their
fault. You know, can you ever have that
again? Is what I always wrestle with in

(44:28):
my head, right? And I don't think you can.
I don't think the initial, the initial releases from any band
can ever be as strong as the initial initial release.
And the reason behind that I think which you can relate to
this is you spend how much time.Your entire life up to that
point. Right.
And then and then like the songsyou have that you start playing

(44:49):
out 12 to 20 songs, those thingsare so tight and flawless.
By the time you get to the levelof I'm going to go record these
in the studio and I'm going to release an album, you've played
them live thousands of times. So you know, the different
nuances of improv and, and what works and what doesn't work, the
fills and shit like that and thebreakdowns and the, you know
everything, right? And then you go and you and you

(45:12):
turn into, you know, you, you record 10 and then all of a
sudden you're touring these small clubs like Mason Jar.
And then somebody plays Jeremy and it fucking explodes.
And then all of a sudden you're going from Mason Jar to the
ballroom, from the ballroom to the celebrity theatre, from
celebrity theatre to Talking Stick Arena, from Talking Stick
to cricket in the course of a year or maybe 18 months.

(45:33):
So your entire life gets uprooted, right?
No, you're right. In that case it was within 12
months. Right, because you never, you
don't live on the road and all of a sudden you're living on the
road and then you're forced withthe label saying, because back
then label got behind you. Oh, you need to write more
product. You need to write more material.
Well, then your, your, your point of view changes because
now all of a sudden, this entireworld, which used to be so far

(45:55):
away because before the Internet, now you're in places
you never dreamed of and you're exposed to things you never
thought you'd be exposed to. And then you there's a time when
Vedder would wear masks like, you know, I had for COVID
because he couldn't go anywhere without being recognized and
mobbed, kind of like with Elvis,kind of like with The Beatles.

(46:15):
So you just hit the nail on the head right there.
That's the epitome of the message, is you went from
suffering and not knowing where.And you and I lived through it,
too. We didn't know where our next
meal was coming from. That's why we always hail
Filibertos, you know, because wecould get a gigantic burrito
that would keep us full for an entire day for 2 bucks back in
the day. That was important.
Yeah, and now all of a sudden you're eating caviar and trying

(46:37):
to hide your face, right? How can you write a song like
I'm still Alive, right? Because that's one of my
favorites. Once is another great one.
Once in a life. Those are great examples of
feeling where emotion or music becomes emotion out loud, right?

(47:00):
You can feel what he's trying tosay.
Right, and looking at and looking at their list once, once
starts that album off, which is just really cool 'cause it.
Has your ass right off the. Bat it has that dark little
interlude, right? Instrumental thing.
That drum beat is outstanding. Yeah, yeah.
Then you go to Evenflo, which I think was their first release,
which opened with a montage of surfing.

(47:23):
Then a live came next. But then Jeremy, when Jeremy
released, that's what took them to the stratosphere.
Even though even though I think alive and and even for better
songs, I didn't No you're. Right.
Jeremy introduced him to the world, no.
Question. Yeah.
That was the top ten. Single might have been #1.
Yeah, porch love porch. Me too.
Coming to you. Then leave a message.

(47:43):
At least I could have divorced on last time.
That melody's outstanding, right?
Yeah, so let's see what? And if you want to know what
Melody does for people, ladies and gentlemen, the fact that
Chris just ripped that right outof his subconscious, that's what
Melody does for you. It forces you to remember it.
So how many number one hits doesPearl Jam have?

(48:03):
The song follows a four week reign of the group's dark
matter. That's not what I asked.
Man, I hate this fucking Google machine.
I asked. Basically, Pearl Jam songs
charted. Pearl Jam songs are charted.
Let's see. Oh OK, there it is.

(48:29):
Maybe Daughter 1993 was was was charted Better Man in 2005,
given to Flying 98. And then there's two number one
to 2024. Their most played song is Even

(48:50):
Flow. 739 million plays. I think I just said that is
emotions in music form. Yep, I've been.
So it's even Flow Alive, Black and Jeremy, which is
interesting, right? Because they're right.
Because they're all from 10. All from 10.
That's because you can listen tothat album.
You just said. From beginning to end.

(49:11):
And there's no weak songs on that album.
There just isn't. Those guys wanted it like there
was no tomorrow. Because if you know, most people
don't know you and I are freak historic music historians.
But Pearl Jam came out of MotherLove Bone when their singer died
tragically of a heroin overdose.The rest of the band still

(49:33):
wanted it on a level like there was no tomorrow, and they got
lucky and found Eddie Vedder, who was equally as talented at
conveying lyrics and emotion to his audience.
Yeah, there's a there's a documentary about Temple the
dog. You ever see that?
Yeah, I have so so the. The coolest thing about that was
was when they released Oh my God, Jake would kill me right

(49:59):
now. Hunger strike.
Sorry, son. When they, when they dropped
hunger strike, I remember the members of Pearl Jam when we
talked to them about hunger strike is like they're like,
yeah, we got a singer too. Like, 'cause you, you're with
Chris Cornell, OK, You can't touch Chris Cornell.
He's up there. With Robert Plant, I don't care
what anybody says. Yeah, Robert Plant, Freddie

(50:20):
Murkley, the dude, just the voice was unheard of, right?
But it was kind of neat watchingthat documentary.
Where's where's the members fromPearl Jam?
It's like when that song drop Hunger Strike, they realized
that Vetter was just as powerfulas Cornell, but just on a
different level. That's when I realized it for
sure. That whole album, if you know,
if you guys are into that kind of music and you never heard the

(50:43):
Temple of the Dog album, that's another one from beginning to
end that you can just listen to it over and over and over again.
And fun fact, that album was recorded in two weeks.
Oh, 10 or no Temple the dog. Yeah, yeah, 14 days.
The other the. Other cool thing in there,
ripped it out. The other cool thing about that
documentary, and I maybe can I may be blending some of the

(51:05):
Mother Love Bone documentary into this, but they would have
Cornell and Andrew Wood and someof the other Kurt Cobain.
Who else was in the scene? Screaming, trees, whatever.
There's another great band. Right, so there was.
They all hung out. I nearly lost you.
Right. Right, that was their big that.
Was a great song, right? But they all hung out and they

(51:28):
all challenged each other to be better writers and to be better
musicians. So there was there was
conversations in this, in this documentary where Andy would go
back to his apartment, which I think he was living with Cornell
at the time in his own room. And they, he would work all
night on his little, you know, 4track mixer and shit to try to
one up Cornell. And then he would record
whatever he did, give it to Cornell and Cornell be like,

(51:49):
holy shit, you did that. And then Cornell would do the
same thing and then turn and give it back to Andrew Woods.
So it's just dynamic going back and forth like I'm going to make
you better because I'm going to challenge you to write better
music. So that example right there for
the people that are religious listeners to the show is what I
mean by when we used to get doneplaying at a show and we would

(52:10):
talk backstage or behind the venue or whatever with other
bands or guys that work for their band.
Those are the conversations where we learn stuff.
You know, it's like, wow, how'd you do that?
What piece of equipment are you using there?
You know, those are the, I, I call them productive
conversations. I don't know a better way to put
it. But, you know, instead of
talking about things or people or whatever, we're sure we're

(52:33):
conveying different ideas that make all of us better.
You know, it's a it's a friendlycompetition, right?
That's what you just described was a friendly competition.
They weren't trying to say I'm going to make more money or sell
more records than you. They were like, wow, that's a
really cool idea. Now, how can I make that idea
better for me, right? Right, right.
And yeah, I love that. Change was in that mix, right

(52:55):
Alice? And Change was in that mix, too.
So imagine, Imagine Lane Staley,Eddie Vedder, Chris Cornell,
Andrew Wood. Well Vedder wasn't in there yet,
he was still in California. But just imagine walking into a
bar and seeing those 3 sitting at the bar talking about music
and shit when they weren't even relevant in the world yet.
Right, nobody knew who they were.

(53:15):
Like that would just be the coolest thing ever.
And you know, you know, there's people that that lived in that
era. If they're still alive, they
have those amazing stories of ofthese three guys and these all
these bands and how tight they were.
And it wasn't, it wasn't like the the I've always heard, like
the whiskey row, the, you know, Rainbow Room, all that kind of
shit. The LA scene sure was always,

(53:36):
you know, like fuck you. You know, the fights come on,
the crew is going to beat up freaking, you know, whatever was
like, you remember all the the stupid little drama bullshit
that would go on that would comeout of out of California and all
that kind of jazz because pissing on our territory type
shit. Yeah, that's why Metallica left
and moved to San Francisco when they got Cliff Burton in the
band, because they hated that shit.

(53:57):
Right, because you all have the same goal, right?
Like. We're musicians.
It's not a sports competition, right?
Nobody's winning and losing. And you would think you'd want
to embrace Metallica. Holy shit this is a brand new
sound. I'm going to be their friend.
Because if they break, they needan opening act and they're going
to remember friends more. They can remember assholes.

(54:19):
They they succeeded in spite of everyone else, because they
would be the first to tell you that everyone told them they
were going to fall flat on theirface.
You're never going to make any money playing that kind of
music. That's what they were told all
the time. Yeah.
I don't think they were. I don't think they cared.
That wasn't their motivation. That's why they were successful.
And we've discussed them too. It's it was their sheer

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determination to do things on their own terms, which is my
motivation in life too, which iswhy they're one of my favorite
bands. And that's why you're one of my
best friends. It's like, it's not hard to
figure me out. If you're driven and you're
trying to move forward and you're not, you know, negative
towards ideas or other people all the time, I'm probably going

(55:02):
to be friends with you. Yeah.
But that sheer will to succeed is 100% why they are one of the
most successful bands on earth. It wasn't about selling records
or making money. It was about having a family of
friends who had the same vision that they did for the same kind
of music, right? Yep.

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Same reason you and I put a bandtogether.
We didn't hear the music that wewanted to hear on the radio, so
we're going to make it ourselves.
That was our motivation as well.I want to write songs that I
enjoy playing. I think Freeman is as relevant
as alive as far as being emotional.
When you always say, you know, jokingly or I know you're, I'm

(55:43):
mostly serious. But when you say you're going to
let that song play, it's like you're never going to hurt my
feelings because that song givesme the same emotion every time I
hear. It's why I know it's a great
song. Yeah.
I've heard it 100,000 times in my life now and it's it hits me
the same way every time. Yeah, agreed.
I like the. I like how people react to it

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too. Me too, because it's fun for us
to be able to see them react to it for the first time, right?
And then we say, oh, that's us. Meant a lot of times we're like
what? Really.
Really. Like Joseph was cool.
It's like, wow, really? So that's the most fun is to see
Lemoyne react to it because he'sa musician.

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To see Joseph react to it, he's a musician.
Josey, you know, these guys, they appreciate, they either
appreciate music on the same level we do, or they're
musicians themselves. So I agree, man, that's really
cool. It is.
It is. It's fun too.
That's one we're going to redo and Polish up and present to the
world in the right format. Yes, yes, because now we know
how to get on Apple because of the Carla, Kyle, Kyle Carl, the

(56:50):
the pilot agent Carl Ferrera, who got us in the I told him he
got us in the Malaysia. He was like, no way.
True story, Carl. Thank you very much.
We appreciate it. 21 countries now, ladies and gentlemen.
He was like, woo Hoo, It was fun.
It was fun and why why we're on the subject.
So when you come on a podcast, just be aware of boys and girls.
It's we're broadcasting you 21 countries and you're on YouTube

(57:11):
as we record this. So that means anybody in the
world can jump in and see your episode.
We we've had and they do, just so you know, we're not just
saying that like one person listen to us in these countries,
Sweden or not Sweden, Austria isalmost 5% of our listenership.
So they actually listen to the show.
It's awesome. Absolutely.
It's awesome, yeah. Austria.

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Who would have thought? Yeah, That is a port.
That is an important public service announcement.
We are live on YouTube. When you come on here, we are in
21 countries. We're in about 2/3 of the states
now, 60 some percent. And inside those states we're
in, you know, either 10s or hundreds of cities.

(57:53):
Right. We won't say why we say that,
but you got to know that when you come on here.
I'm going to pause for station authentication.
I'll be right back. Keep the listeners.
Engaged. We are pausing for a station
identification. This is the Chris and Mike show.
We are live on YouTube right now, so we welcome all of you
and we are live on Twitch and I think that's it.

(58:18):
YouTube and Twitch right now. You can keep in touch with us on
the Instagram. If you haven't subscribed on
YouTube or Instagram or Facebook, definitely go out and
do that. Drop us a comment.
Let us know what you like about it or don't like about it.
And if you would like to be a guest, you can e-mail us at the
Chris and Mike, not the you can e-mail us at

(58:39):
chrisandmikeshow@gmail.com. chrisandmikeshow@gmail.com.
And the person who we're waitingto come back will contact you
and give you a time and set you up to be on the show.
You have to have a dedicated Wi-Fi.
You can't use a hotspot, and it probably should be a cable modem

(59:04):
or higher. We use a service called
Riverside dot FM if you want to go out and check it out.
Other than that, like Chris said, just know that you're
going to be live on YouTube for pretty much the entire episode.
And those get uploaded to YouTube immediate.
Well, they get uploaded as we'redoing it.

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We had an instance where I don'tthink somebody knew that.
So that's important to get that out there.
It gained us a lot of it gained us a lot of subscribers as we
started going live. So it seems like people like
being there before the episode comes out.

(59:49):
So with that said, your live episode ends up on YouTube and
then two weeks later the actual podcast will drop.
So I will go in and actually fixthe audio.
If, you know, say you had some background noise or you had
maybe a reverberation in the background, I can actually bring
your voice forward so that your level with us and I'll put the

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music in, you know, layer it underneath and it'll actually be
a polished episode in 1080P. The YouTube episode is the live
episode is compressed, obviously, because it's
uploading at the same time we'redoing it.
So that's about all on that front.
Other than that, we really appreciate it.

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Everybody that's found us on YouTube here lately, within the
last six weeks, we went from I think 68 subscribers to 2000.
So that's awesome. And Spotify, the numbers have
been increasing. So we welcome all the people who
are listening on Spotify and YouTube.
And I know there's a lot of people that listen on Podcast
Addict and Overcast. And so wherever Apple podcast,

(01:00:58):
wherever you guys listen, we appreciate it.
The video portion is on YouTube and the video portion is on
Spotify. I don't think there's video on
Apple. I'm I've never listened to us on
Apple, if I'm being honest with everybody, but I know for sure
there's a video on YouTube and Spotify because I've checked it

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out myself. The last time I checked Apple,
it wasn't there. And I don't think there's video
on like overcast or podcast addict.
That's another big one that people listen on.
So if you want to watch the video, definitely hit up Spotify
or YouTube. Hey, look at that.
Welcome back to Co host. Yes, this would be tough to do
by yourself. I can't wait.

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Everybody going but yeah, you, you really got to talk like a
babbling fucking idiot. Well, that's why when I'm, when
I'm doing my my real estate guy moment with the Real Estate Guy
podcast, when I do it by myself,it's basically I'm just talking
about certain snippets of thingslike.
Well, that would be easier because you're not sitting down
for like Rogan, you know, he's sitting down for three hours.

(01:02:01):
I noticed the couple that he tried by himself, he didn't make
it even 2 hours. And he admitted to everyone
later on, he's like, I think somebody asked him about that.
Do you ever do these by yourself?
And he said, you know what, I tried two of them and they're
still there and you can go listen to them.
But he said people like Bill Burr that do this by themselves,
that's an art. Yeah.

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Basically, I just did a public service.
I finished the public service announcement you had and we went
on to talk about, you know, likea lot of people listen on
Overcast Podcast Addict, I HeartApple.
I wanted people to be aware thatthere's no video there, right?
So if you want to listen to the video, you have to go to
Spotify, you have to go to YouTube.

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People may not know that becausea lot of podcasts I found on
different platforms and I didn'tknow that there was video on
Spotify. And obviously, you know, there's
video on YouTube if you've been,unless you've been living under
a rock for the last 15 years, right?
Exactly. So get up from anything with
rock people, get underneath fromrock, rock, rock, rock.

(01:03:04):
I don't think Apple supports video podcast because Brogan's
his video is not there either. Oh that's interesting.
I've checked his out too. OK, yeah, so you know, we're
talking about music. Alter Bridge is dropping a new
album January 2026. That's exciting, man.
Simply called Alter Bridge sweet.

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The tour is called what lies beneath.
Then they're going on the road with Daughtry and Sevendust and
of course there's, it's the weirdest thing about Alter
Bridge. They're huge overseas, man.
They're, I mean, they're huge like they sold Wimbledon out
three nights. Like they're amazingly.
Europeans appreciate music more than we do.
Yeah, because here they just, they, they just, I mean, again,

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I've seen Alter Bridge twice at the Marquee Theatre and I mean,
it's packed. I mean it's standing room only.
But that's what, 3000 people? Yeah, and it's, but it's it's
it's, it's phenomenal. I mean, it's just, it's the
entire Live at Wembley record they dropped.
That was the first time I saw them.
That was the tour they did in Arizona.

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And we didn't we like I I was blown away because it was a 215
minute show. Like this is just insane.
And then Fast forward 18 months,they drop live at Wembley.
The entire setlist they played at Marquee was that show, and
there's songs they haven't played since because they're
just so such rarities. But they knew they were prepping
for that, that show. I would love seeing shows like

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that. Right.
But nobody knew it until they dropped it because they played
with the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
So they kind of, I think Metallica opened that door
personally because S because S&Mis by far my favorite collection
of Metallica music. Because the first one.
Right, because it shows you. It shows you how.

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How powerful. How powerful it is and and the
and and whether they knew it or not when they were writing it,
how it could be translated into that.
Well, I told you that funny story.
I'll tell it again real quick. There's a, a YouTube clip out
there and I got to find these things and I'll share them on
our page. But James Hetfield is talking to
the interviewer about Michael Kamen, who rest in peace.

(01:05:12):
He's dead now, but he was the conductor for the whole S&M
experiment and he came into their dressing room while they
were on break one day and he said this master of Puppets
thing, this section right here, he said.
It's just fascinating, He said. You guys go from 4/4 time to
11:30 second time to 6-8 time to4/4 time back to this 11:30

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second. He said, did you guys discuss
this 11:30 second measure right here?
And James is like, we didn't discuss anything about anything
that you just talked about. He said we just thought it
sounded cool, man. And he said I felt like the
biggest idiot when I had to say that, you know, because here's a
guy who is just like Joseph was,you know, here's a guy who's
educated in music, can play classical music, can write
music, can notate it, can read it, you know, has however many

(01:06:01):
hundred students a month. And this is a guy who's into a
pouring music back out in the universe like I'll never be able
to do. And that was James sitting
there. He's like, I'm expected to tell
this guy how my song is played and he's an actual conductor.
And, you know, he said. I just felt like the biggest
moron to have to say, oh man, wejust thought it sounded cool
dude. Right, right.

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It's yeah, but that's a so so that because I'm, I'm like most
people like I liked black, but Ididn't like black.
I like the older stuff. I do like some of the newer
stuff. I love it all, but but not in a
hole, right, Because I'm just that's how I am.
But I think that opened the doorto that because it's kind of

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like unplugged. KISS did it after them.
Right kiss fucking most overrated.
Ban them in them in the world. They got some great songs man.
They're a marketing machine. That's it.
That's that's all I ever think about.
KISS marketing. OK, you're a marketing machine.
Good job. And they did.
They're brilliant, brilliant at marketing because they sold
their image before they sold their music in my eyes anyway.
And I, I know people are like the rolling falling off their

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chairs right now if they're watching this.
And then when they no. They didn't break and they'll
never, they'll never even say this.
They didn't break any new groundmusically.
But those riffs are that they'reetched in stone.
I mean, there's a reason that people keep going back to see
him. And it's not just because I
agree with you. The image had more to do with
them than anything, and they'll admit that too.

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Yeah, they will, you know. But they had no business plan
with the Symphony. I tried to listen to that album
and it just did not. It did not convey the same way
that Metallic is dead. What what the S&M album did for
me was just solidify how great of songwriters they were.
Yeah. Because another thing they

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talked about in that documentarywas how hard it was to fit the
orchestra into some of those pieces because there was already
so much going on with just threeguys playing or, you know, four
guys playing instruments. Almost left James out of the
mix. And he's the best rhythm guitar
player on the planet. Yeah, which is he doesn't get
enough credit for that. No, he is for sure one of the

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best rhythm guitar players ever walked the earth.
And so is Dave Mistain. Yeah, Dave Mustaine invented a
whole new way of playing chords that allows him to play the way
he plays. So when you're an innovator that
people follow from that point forward, which everybody did
right, you can't. You just can't ever take that

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away from somebody. No, no.
And imagine the different how different metallic would be if
Dave Mustaine stayed in the band.
I don't think it would have beenhis big I really have.
Something happened because he's too much of a perfectionist and
I don't think he would have beenable to survive with Lars in the
band. That's true.

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Lars is what do they call that? Lars is a double edged sword is
the best analogy I can come up with.
He is not the greatest drummer on the planet.
He plays by feel right. Yeah, yeah.
But the fact that he plays by feel is what made Metallica one
of the biggest bands on the planet, whether people know it
or not, right? It's that little bit of

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difference. Just like, you know, everybody
says that ACDC has written the same album, you know, 13 times
or whatever. 10 times and Angus said 11.
Yeah, Angus got Yeah, You've made the same album 10 times.
No, actually, that's a lie, because we've made the same bomb
11 times. Exactly.
But it's that feel, you know, that swing beat.

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Lars has that swing to his beat that just sucks people in.
It's an innate ability that you just can't teach somebody.
You can tell them how it's done,but some drummers will never
have the ability to get off thatmetronome.
You know where it's just I called typewriter rock.

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Charlie Watts. Rolling Stones.
Charlie drugged the beat too, though he had Swank.
Right, but he's still. But he was the one that kept
them all in time. Sure, that's why they called him
metronome, because he didn't waver from that shit.
No, but he still played a swing beat, which is why The Rolling
Stones had that, you know, suck you in feel kind of to their

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songs. I know what you're saying
though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just wouldn't allow the worldto to, you know?
My personal opinion is Metallicawould not have been a as big of
a band if Dave Mustaine would have stayed the lead guitar
player. I just don't think they would
have. Gotcha.

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And we wouldn't had Megadeth. And I'm as equally a big a fan
of Megadeth for different reasons than I am Metallica, you
know? So I never really gotten a
Megadeth. I got a couple songs, but I
just, you know, to me, Mustaine is not a strong enough lyricist
slash presence that I just, you know, I just I just couldn't get

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into that. Like Peace Sells was a cool.
Song. See, now there's a great
statement. Yeah, but but for the most part,
I just, I couldn't get into Megadeth at all.
I thought they were. I thought it was too much of A
Metallica RIP off. Well, now you know why Metallica
is one of the biggest selling bands in the world and Megadeth
is maybe sold a third of those records because there's a lot of

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people that have that attitude and it's not wrong, you know,
people's opinion of music is their own.
It's not for me to say whether you're right or wrong because
it's how you interpret it, right?
You and I have always are going to approach music from a
different angle, right? I'm coming in at 180° from you

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all the time. I'm listening to the music first
and the lyrics second. Which is why, you know, back in
the day when I'd be listening tocertain music, either your
parents or you know, some kind of authority figure in your life
would hear you listening to the things and say, wow, that
person's going to be affected bythat.
And in most cases I wouldn't because I even know what the

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fuck they were saying. I just like the music.
Exactly right? I might know 3 lyrics in the
whole song, the ones that everybody knows.
The rest of it I'm jamming alongto the guitar and the drum beat
and hey, that's a cool rhythm, you know, let me see what I can
do with that. I really didn't appreciate
lyrics until I met you. Oh, thank you.

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That's true story for sure. I.
Believe you, once you and I started writing our own songs
and I saw the passion that you had for what was on that page in
front of you before. It's just a notebook front
sitting in front of somebody, right?
Right, right. And if you're not you, you don't
understand that that notebook isyour soul on a piece of paper,
right? That's what you taught me was

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sitting there on the couch and what, in the apartment or
whatever, just, you know, songwriting and hashing things
out on an acoustic or whatever. Those moments to me showed me
what that piece of paper meant to you as a person.
You know, it's like this is my soul on a on a page.
Yeah, no different than that piece of music is that for me.

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Right. Which is why we gelled, which is
why we matched. Because my soul, your soul.
But you know, together you get free man.
Oh, it worked. Yeah, on an unprecedented level,
it worked. Yeah, that's why we got to get
that shit back out of the world.Now the world needs Nemesis 2
point O. That one for sure.
Yeah, Vision Jink, show me a pop.

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I would love to pull off Intervention Divine, but I
don't. I don't know if that's possible
without Scott. Anything possible?
I What's to stop the world? I love that song Window.
Hell, that's a good song. That guy that I told you I
wanted to have on Gary Romero, Yeah.
He's one of the best drummers I've ever met.
So we could probably coax him into you.

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He has a home studio, so he could record things and send
them to us digitally. I'm sure he'd be down for that
if he can squeeze in some time. So we do have a drummer.
I forgot about him. Right on.
I have I've poked out, I've poked at some.
We have some positions coming upin, in September, October or
August, September, but there's, there's there's some gaps still

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that I got to fill. It's weird how we went crazy,
right? Like YouTube went nuts and then
now it just kind of got quiet. So we did.
We something happened. I think you fall into
algorithms. Probably.
Because when YouTube kind of trailed off, Spotify picked up a
little bit. We, we don't have nearly as many

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subscribers on Spotify, but, butsometimes we'll go long periods
of time and never pick up a subscriber on Spotify.
And in the last 30 days, I thinkwe picked up 11, so.
That's cool. That was another thing we talked
about while you're gone. I was welcoming all the new
YouTube subscribers because whatChris just described as a true

(01:14:54):
story, and I talked about it while he was gone with a month
ago we had what, 68 subscribers?64, and now we have just shy of
2000. So yeah, welcome to everybody
that has jumped on for the ride.And then those of you that have
jumped on for the ride that haveto be listening to this episode
on on YouTube, just go ahead. And we need 10 more people to
get to 2000. Well, we don't know where it

(01:15:16):
1990 something. It might be 9, we might just
need one. We don't know.
It doesn't show us that last digit.
Damn it, it doesn't. It probably does you because
you're the page owner. It doesn't show us, it just says
1990. Let's go to the YouTube man
going to the YouTube right now, boys or girls which were live on
YouTube. By the way, we are 21 countries,

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21 countries come to 21 countries.
Let's go to our channel view channel.
Now that we're in Malaysia, we have literally circumnavigated
the globe. A circumnavigated big word
because Malaysia is over there on the other side of China. 1999
subscribers. Are you serious?

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We need one more person. 147,937Views of 466 videos.
Which is absolutely amazing. Thank you everyone.
You're making our vision of having this be a place that
people meet and learn about different ideas come to life.
So that's outstanding. And what's really cool is Mike's

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going to take some time off in August and he's going to, we're
going to build the, we're going to build the website we are.
And all the stuff is going to beon the website and more.
So what's what's cool about the live?
Because I'm on the page now we have the testing 1 which we did
a month ago at 3 views. Thank you.
I was one of those people. But today's show marks our 20th

(01:16:44):
show being streamed live, which is cool.
This is #20. This is #20 the stream live,
yeah. That's awesome.
Yeah. Gone live to the YouTube 20
times. Right.
And you know, our shorts, for those of you don't know the
reason why you want to subscribeto our channel is that we have,
we have shorts that drop every day and the shorts are

(01:17:09):
different. They're never the same, but
they're from different, different episodes that we've
that we've done. So your ability to kind of to
kind of get a feel for differenttopics as as they as they come
across is pretty neat. So yeah, you do a good job of
giving a mix from and I'll I'll reinforce that you definitely

(01:17:29):
want to subscribe to YouTube, even if you're a Spotify or
Apple podcast listener for the simple fact that Chris does a
great job of digging back in thearchive and showing you examples
of shows you may have missed that you might say, hey, I want
to learn about peptides. I didn't know that that Brian
Morris episode was about peptides.
So now I want to do that. I really, I like it for myself.

(01:17:50):
That's why I like all your reelsthat you drop because there's
things I forget about too, you know?
And I was sitting here like, oh wow, I.
Missed that. And yeah, and we're my the reels
are booked out all the way. We have three wheels, 3 shorts.
I'm sorry, we have three shorts that drop a day and they go to
August 12th. I'm sorry, August 1st and that

(01:18:13):
hasn't I haven't done it for thelast two or three shows and
there's still some other shorts and then that'll get get set up
as well. So it's kind of cool that that
the stuff I'm looking at that's coming, that's coming up.
It's we have stuff on there fromfrom Jake Johnson, the badass
boxer, but it's super cool, cool, mellow human.

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We have someone who's been kidnapped that's coming up,
conversation with Mark Jeffrey from iheart about random things.
Well, I didn't think about it until I was talking to one of
our guests. It wasn't Yuri, but it it was
somebody before. Then you took a break and you're
like, I'll be right back. You guys talk and we were

(01:18:57):
talking about the shorts and I said it didn't hit me until he
started posting all these on YouTube and I went back and
looked. We average.
I said, let's just say we averaged 10 shorts a show, which
is about average. We usually do 10 to 13.
We've done 120 shows now. That's 1200 shorts minimum that
we have sitting in our archive, just to give people an example

(01:19:21):
of what kind of catalog we've developed over the last, what,
18 months? Right.
And what's crazy is I wasn't dropping those shorts until
March, right? So if I is, if there's a way to
go back into into Riverside? So coming up in September is
going to be our renewal, OK? And I'm going to put us on the

(01:19:42):
pro plan so that we don't have to have things archived.
They'll just be there whenever you want to use them.
Cool. Yeah, because I still have, I'm
looking at probably wow. There's.
Oh wow, wow. Yeah, see, they just keep
multiplying. I got a lot of I'm just on
YouTube that I haven't set up yet.
I have I have drafts, man, like I did the truck drivers TikTok

(01:20:05):
tragedy. Is it is it still under draft?
So I really can go in here and and set up another Wow, there's
another hole. Mama Kay's secret spaghetti is a
is a reel that has yet to drop. Sweet Jeff Bezos space mishap.
Like when, whenever I think I'm caught up, it's like, oh shit,

(01:20:27):
you're not caught up, Chris. Tell me about it.
That's why I panicked when you told me I didn't do those.
That one episode. I'm like, I can't be that far
behind. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, man.
I panicked. It's all good.
I mean, that's the but was the benefit though, because when I
went on, when I, when I went on vacation, then I was gone for
seven days. We we we we dropped like 4 shows

(01:20:50):
in a row, scheduled them out. Yeah, so that's one thing that I
should have talked about when I was doing the public service
announcement while you were gone.
So we'll talk about it now. That's the reason, when you come
on, if you're a guest, that yourshow doesn't drop for two weeks
because we have to have a week buffer in there so that him and
I can take a vacation. We have lives too.
We have to be able to go out andlive so we can bring you more

(01:21:10):
content. That's why it takes two weeks to
drop your show. Right.
It's, you know, sometimes I haveto rub my tire tread on a car,
you know, that's content. Sometimes I got to ask a, a, a,
a a working man to move his vehicle and just have him stare
at me. You know what's funny too?
When I left right, I drove around the pumps and then came

(01:21:33):
up to the side to the window where he was sitting still
sitting there, rolled my passionside window down and just I
don't know for a minute just looked in.
He never moved his head. He just the entire time, the
silhouette and you and you can'ttell me you couldn't feel my
presence of. Course you can.
It's. But that's another thing that's
been scientifically proven. The stupid things that I know in

(01:21:55):
my head over 60% of the time when they perform those
experiments, can someone tell ifsomeone else is looking at them?
Yeah, it was like right at 60% accuracy.
Yeah, you can tell when someone's looking at you.
Yeah, or you can at least feel it.
You can feel the. Presence.
That was their point, right? Yeah, you can feel it.
Right. But just, yeah, such a Dick

(01:22:16):
move. And it really it, it wouldn't
have cost him any time except for 5 minutes.
And, and just really, you know, I just, I don't know, don't be
that human, man. If somebody asked you to do
something and, and, and literally you can pick up what
you're doing without affecting your life for two minutes and
make that change. Because really, I could have let

(01:22:38):
that too. I could have let that totally
affect the outcome of my day because the guy was a total
piece of shit. Well, here's what I'll add to
that if someone makes a reasonable request like Chris
did of this person. He wasn't a Dick at first,
right? No, nor would I have been.
I always start off trying to be the nice guy.
Give me a logical explanation asto why you can't fulfill my
request and I'll listen, right? But you can't just sit there

(01:23:00):
like a fucking bump on a log andpretend that I'm not there or
that I wasn't talking. That's rude.
Disrespectful. Right.
And and and I'm the furthest person from racist in the world,
as is Mike. 100%. I'm learning to speak Spanish
because when I go to countries where they speak Spanish, I want
to be able to speak Spanish. That's their language.
I respect that if, if, if Nikki and I, we're going to go to

(01:23:24):
Italy at some point in time. So I will go on Duolingo and I
will Start learning Italian because it, to me it's a respect
thing. I'm going into your country,
Mexico. So I should have the respect
enough of me of a human being toand to respect your your primary
language. On a basic level.
For sure, right, right, just andfor for nothing less than just

(01:23:46):
to to be able to minimally communicate.
I mean like legit I, I conversational Spanish I can
pull off just because of Duolingo and and my foundation
from high school with Miss Alonzo's Spanish class, right?
She would never let us speak English in class once we walk in
the door. We had to speak Spanish, right?
It was, and it was so frustrating.
But it, I mean, it's, it is Espanol Miguel, right?

(01:24:07):
I was Santiago, I was Paco. I was Paco.
You were Paco. I was Paco, you know?
I I was Paco, you know I was Paco, man.
You remember the movie Bad Boys with Sean Penn and East Side
Morales? Oh yeah.
That's a great movie. The chicago-based movie, the
opening scene. I'm going to paint the picture
opening scene. It's like one of the opening
scene. It's it's within the 1st 10
minutes. Sean Penn and and oh fuck me,

(01:24:31):
the dude, his partner on the in the in the movie, the beginning
of the movie was a dude that played Cameron in Ferris
Bueller's Day Off. You see him?
Yeah, I don't remember that guy.I.
Don't remember his name here I. Don't know who you're talking
about though. Yeah, so they're driving in this
like beat up Oldsmobile, flying through Chicago streets, Billy
Squires songs on what the fuck It was song was in the dark.

(01:24:54):
Great song. It it fit perfectly with the
scene, like perfectly with the scene.
And then they were robbed these drug they were robbing these
drug dealers in chaos ensued. And that's kind of took down the
whole bad, bad boy path of, of juvenile facility in Illinois,
you know, But that's so his so, so Isa Morales's name in the
movie was Paco. And I liked the movie.

(01:25:15):
And I was like, oh, what's your name Chris?
Oh, it'd be Paco. And she's like, no, no crystal
ball. No Paco.
Me Miyama Paco. You know, I had to be Santiago.
Why? Because some other Dick in my
class got to be Miguel, because apparently he had a better last
name or some shit. You know, that's funny.

(01:25:35):
He's, I'm not going to call him out, but he's already.
Miguel Yeah, OK, I'll be Santiago.
Yeah, that's, you know, one of my friends.
Not one of my first lessons, butright up there in one of my
first lessons in that sometimes it's just better off to take the
discretion is the better part ofvalor, right?
Right. Yeah.

(01:25:58):
Wasn't a battle I was willing tofight, but it still pissed me
off. No, yeah, I can see that.
Well, because it's your name, you know.
Yeah, I want to be Miguel. Yeah, fucking.
Better than me. I was listening to Sirius.
I don't know, I've been listening to spa music when I
drive, but I was listening to something and they were doing
like a a top something list, like top ten song music movie

(01:26:22):
songs that that captured the moment.
And you and I have talked about this, which is why this stuck in
my head. The movie The Warriors, the end
of it, when they're coming over the mountain, was not really a
mountain. Come over the hill and then they
hit the beach. And more like a dune, right?
Right, and the dune and and thenthe first note of in the city
hits and then just in the the camera pans out and you know,

(01:26:42):
you get the right just you feel it and you get tangles because
it's it's the fucking DJ on SiriusXM said the IT described
the exact same scene before thatsong played.
And I'm like, finally somebody else recognizes the power of
music on a level like that that because when I hear in the city,

(01:27:03):
I automatically think the Warriors, right?
You know, I've had that conversation with so many
people, and you just see that light bulb go off over their
head. I ask one simple question.
Imagine TV or movies with no music.
Yeah. Yeah.
And they're like, man, I never thought about that.
Yeah, it would suck. You imagine Superman flying
without Superman music. He's just flying with a Cape in

(01:27:23):
the air. You know what the hell are we
watching? It's just a man of dude flying
in the sky. But when you're here, that was
Star Wars. But.
But you know it but same. Thing though, yeah, imagine Star

(01:27:43):
Wars without that song. Imagine Darth Vader coming
through the the the door with with nothing, just walking, just
walking. It's so you've seen the stuff
where they can isolate vocals, right?
They can take the music out of the vocals like they did Ozzy's
Mama. I'm coming home with his final
show, which I thought was like bullshit, like leave the man
alone. But you think they could be able

(01:28:05):
to isolate, take the music out of a movie scene and just see.
Oh, I'm sure they can. The the how, how, how
dramatically effects it. I to be honest with you, I think
this popped into my head becauseI swear on one of my rabbit
holes they did it with a sitcom and it was The Big Bang Theory
in particular, if I remember without the laugh track, how

(01:28:27):
stupid that show really is and they suck you into and I like
The Big Bang Theory. I'm not, I'm as guilty of being
sucked into it as anybody else, but man, when you watch it
without that little laugh track and the music in the background,
it is, it's just kind of like, why is that funny, you know?
Well, yeah. Well, Seinfeld had a laugh

(01:28:47):
track. Yeah, of course it did.
And that would be a lot of thosewould be equally as stupid
without the most of theirs was comedic timing though.
Right. The office had no laugh track.
The office wasn't filmed live. There was no.
The Office is the same way as Seinfeld.
The comedic timing is what makesit.
You know, it's, it's how Michaelsays it.

(01:29:07):
It's when he says it, it's like flexion in his voice.
You can't. That's another thing you can't
teach, right? Right.
But but what I'm saying is the office, there is no laugh track,
there's no live studio audits. It's just we have these cameras.
It's kind of like Parks and Rec.We have these cameras.
It's supposed to be they're following us around like a.
Documentary scrubs, so check that out the the people who

(01:29:31):
created scrubs, parks and rec, the office and and St.
Dennis, which is AI think a Netflix show all the same, all
the same guys and the whole concept is it's a documentary.
There's no laugh tracks, there'sno live story audience.
It's just you're feeling great writers.
They do right and you relying onthe on the actors to fill the

(01:29:52):
the gap of no laugh track and nostudio.
These characters that are when you say Dwight Schrute, you know
that character, right? When you say Pam, everybody, you
know, fell in love with Pam as the secretary.
When you say Michael, you know, the goofy office manager guy who
doesn't really have a clue, and it's his team that supports him.

(01:30:12):
And it's not an accident that you and I, as fans automatically
know each character. That just tells you how great
is. Same thing with the song that
you get stuck in your head. Yeah, yeah.
That just proves the artist had the right vision of conveying
their message because it got stuck in your head.
And see that that goes back to development, right?

(01:30:34):
Like labels, there's no labels anymore to develop those bands,
to develop those artists, to getthem to the level where
Metallicas are AT and the Pearl Jams are AT.
And they just, they don't back them anymore.
And then it's the same thing with with TV, right?
Because the mayor's America's attention span is so small.
Sitcoms were the same way. They used to give them
development deals and you would have a season or maybe a half a

(01:30:58):
season to try and gain some traction.
They'd give you 9 episodes and if that did well then they would
pick it up for the back end is what they call it.
You'd get the other 12 episodes or whatever it was for that
year. Right, like the Office?
Yeah, The Office pulled off of the English version of The
Office and their first season was only 9 episodes.
Right, that was that's usually the standard development deal is

(01:31:20):
9 episodes. I think Seinfeld's first season
was 5, five or seven or six. Yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was small. And the first season of Seinfeld
sucked. Like I just.
Did going back and watching it Inever watched the first season
anymore. Yeah, no, I don't.
I don't watch the first or second because they just suck.
It's just so bad because they'redeveloping it.
They're they're finding their class.
I thought I hated Seinfeld when you and I were in Nemesis in the

(01:31:42):
90s. I'm like, that show sucks.
Well, that's because we were there in the beginning and it
kind of did. Yeah, yeah, Cheers sucked for
the first couple years, man, because absolutely, you're
building things up. Cheers wasn't Cheers until
probably the fifth or sixth season where it finally got its
its roots planted and you had all the characters developed and
it was the Thursday night thing and all of a sudden it was, you
know, Cheers and ER and whateverelse was on.

(01:32:03):
It's being invested in those characters.
One of the funniest stories thatI tell is when I was living with
Kevin and it was me, Kevin and Nick.
And on Wednesday night, you know, three of the manliest men,
you know, like women smoking, smoking pot, going out drinking,
having a good time. Wednesday night we had all these
people come over and it's like everybody shut up. 9 O2 one I

(01:32:24):
was on right? Right.
Shut the fuck up because we can't see this again, right?
You know? Nine O 2 and followed by Melrose
Place. Oh yeah, and that was the same
thing. Shows on, shows on.
So here's all these macho guys sitting around and he, Kevin had
one friend who was a female thatwould come over, but that was
it. There was like 7 guys in Sookie

(01:32:46):
sitting there and shut up shows on.
Yep, I remember that. I remember the funny.
Because we were invested in the storyline and the characters.
I know 21-O sucked in the beginning too.
Yep, Yep, it did. But you just hit the nail on the
head. There's no, you know, there's no
time to develop that kind of we're doing it organically here,

(01:33:08):
but we had to foot we're our ownproducer and production company.
So sure. And it still took that time that
you just described to develop some traction.
We went along with 100 people watching us forever.
Right. And that's the thing too, like
when people on the podcast platforms run on Facebook, when
people will post stuff on there and you probably see me respond,
yeah, oh, just passed 100,000 subscribers and this many views.

(01:33:32):
And so my comment is always, didyou do it organically or did you
pay for it? Or if you go and look, sometimes
they've been doing it since 2006, right?
Right. So yeah, in 20 years you got
100,000 subscribers. Right.
But the ones that don't answer are the ones that pay, right?
And to me, that's a fact, right?And to me, if you pay for

(01:33:52):
followers and pay for subscribers, they're they're,
they're not organic, they're notreal, they're bots.
It's because we get hit up all the time and I tell them all
like, you know, go fly a kite, go find somebody else, go play
in somebody else's sandbox. Because I don't we don't want to
develop it that way. I like the guy that you said.
You pay us and then if we get the results that you desire,
we'll give you your money back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:34:14):
And he's like, what? And I was like, wasn't that the?
Best one ever dude. Wasn't that clear?
Like you give me money and then you do the work and if I see the
result, 'cause I I said that, I laughed.
So hard when I read that I'm like I love you.
Just because I want real authentic followers.
Because I know. Me too.
When, when, when I first starteddoing Instagram, when Instagram

(01:34:36):
wasn't really a thing yet with with real estate stuff.
I could hit up all the time withthat stuff.
Oh, you know, 5000 followers by the end of the day.
I was like, well, but are they going to be real followers?
Well, it's just numbers. Well, no, I don't.
I don't want bullshit. Because then the bullshit ones,
they fall off, right? They disappear, you know, how
many days later or how many weeks later than those those

(01:34:57):
profiles were fake. So then they're gone and then
all of a sudden you don't. It's kind of like Facebook.
Every now and then you're going to Facebook, right?
And I'll go and clean up my friends list because some of the
profiles end up having the pictures gone because they were
bogus to begin with. Well, you know how much of A
nerd I am, and I have to know the real answer to whatever
question somebody's asking or the one I'm asking of myself.
And I asked the same question ofmyself about, OK, if I pay for

(01:35:21):
these subscribers, what's going to happen?
And if you watch enough of thoseYouTube videos of these people
that have millions of subscribers or hundreds of
thousands, they will tell you that the mistake they made was
doing what you just said. Because if you have too many
subscribers and no views to showfor it, it kills the algorithm.
So all of a sudden it kicks you to the bottom.

(01:35:42):
It's like actually it's a negative connotation then
because you have 100,000 subscribers and you're getting
less than 100 views on every theshow you put out.
The algorithm doesn't like that right?
AI is like, I don't understand. Evidently their content sucks
because they have 100,000 subscribers and no views.
And another interesting thing about AI and YouTube, effective

(01:36:05):
July 1st, which was 17 days ago,your content on YouTube, if it's
not real, IE what Mike and I aredoing, this is and has and has
real people, real faces, real voices, real human voices, real
human interaction. Am IA real?
Person sometimes depending on the matrix Pinocchio, but the

(01:36:28):
ones that create content that's fake, they use AI to create a
using AI to create content. The YouTube spiders, Google
spiders, they're not going to recognize it anymore.
So if if you're not real like this, your contents not going
anywhere because it's not going to recognize it being real.
So that way it will do what Mikejust mentioned about the fake
followers with not enough views,you're going to get pushed down

(01:36:50):
to the bottom. I did not know that.
It's interesting. Yeah, Why?
Because think about it, you can't tell some stuff now from
reality and AII. Mean OK, so with that said, have
you heard of that just that's great.
That's just triggered this memory.
Have you heard of these bands onSpotify now that are blowing up
that are AI? Yes.

(01:37:10):
But that's Spotify, it's not YouTube.
But I think that YouTube, now that you say that, I think
that's YouTube's way of combating that happening to them
because I I had actually heard of one of those bands on Spotify
and I'm like, that can't be a fake man.
It was. Yeah, it's insane.
So it's somebody sitting at their laptop like me that's

(01:37:32):
being nefarious and saying I cancreate a whole band.
And you can, if you're Lemoine, you can sit here with my MacBook
Pro and he can make it sound like Van Halen by himself with
never picking up an instrument. I have every instrument I need
inside that Studio 1 program that I use here.
That's amazing. And because I know how to play,
and because he knows how to play, he can say I want an A

(01:37:54):
chord, AG chord and AD chord, and I want it to go this many
times on this measure and I can keep charting it out until the
song is done right. Yeah.
So somebody did that with an entire band named it gave it
members and I. Think Spotify awesome and made
money? Yes, I think it's awesome, but
it's also not awesome because you're you're taking the offense

(01:38:16):
of authenticity of what makes a musician A musician away because
the the the whole reason every successful band, right,
everybody that's out there in the upper.
But am I because it's me? My phone.
Wait, let me finish my all right, let me finish my thing
here. Every band who is who is filling

(01:38:37):
stadiums and arenas and shit like that, they paid their dues,
right? Like we paid our dues.
So then you take somebody who's sitting in front of computer one
night and he creates an entire band and then spends a couple
weeks creating an entire set list of 12 songs and puts it up
on Spotify. It's Milli Vanilli artificially
and make money and blah, blah, blah.

(01:38:59):
And then they finally get calledout.
You're not a real band. They just hoodwinked.
Hoodwinked. How many ever many people?
So so to me, it's it's not genuine because you're just
showing the world. But I'm going to make.
I'm going to make my same argument.
OK, what if it's me? I'm a musician.
If there's validity there because you are a musician, but.
What if I wrote all the music onmy computer and I sent it to you

(01:39:21):
and you sang the song? Does that make it any less of a
song? No, no, because I'm.
But it's a real person singing the songs.
I mean, you created the music, yes?
But I've never played an instrument.
But you but you know how to playinstruments.
That's my argument. Right, right.
What? If that person's the same way,
what if Lemoyne sat down and created his whole band in his
head and put it up there as a fake band and it took off, which

(01:39:43):
it very well could be just like his album's doing right now
because he's a talented individual.
What if Lemoyne sits there and it's a cold winter in Illinois
and he can't get out for three months?
And he's like, I got this vision, this guy, he's like this
kind of singer, and I always wanted this kind of drummer.
And he just dreams it up in his head, like.
You would write a book, right? That's.
A valid point, OK, and. He sticks it up on Spotify and

(01:40:05):
it blows up and he's got 20 million subscribers a month
because he wrote such damn good music, but he never played an
instrument. I'll give you that.
I agree with that. Then it's yeah, it's, yeah.
OK, so that's no different than somebody the producers behind
boy bands and shit, right? So, yeah, I'll give you that.
I can see that point of view now.
It you can argue both sides of it, Yeah, I'm not saying that
either side is wrong. I'm just giving you my opinion.

(01:40:26):
But that's, I mean, that's a valid point that I wasn't even
thinking about. So that from that aspect of it,
then yeah, there's nothing wrongwith it.
Because at first I was thinking exactly like you just did.
And I had to, you know, break itall the way down to the nub, as
I say. And I put myself in their shoes.
And I'm like, if I sat here on my MacBook Pro and I created a
whole band in my head and it blew up, and then all of a

(01:40:49):
sudden everybody's saying that I'm not legitimate, I'd be
fucking pissed. I'm like, of course I'm
legitimate. I'm the one that wrote the
songs, put them up there, and people love them, right?
I got 20 million subscribers a month.
How's that wrong? Yeah, that's true.
OK. Yeah, I'll give you that.
I agree with you. Then you've changed my mind.
Good job. Get your calendars out, boys and
girls. Mic change my mind.

(01:41:11):
It's a. It's a valid point though, and
that's A and and that's a good place for to wrap the show up
today because you know, I got shit to do.
You got shit to do and you know again.
Mostly go pee, if we're being honest.
OK, well, you got to start somewhere, you know, So our next
show, just just to see who it is, we were supposed to have

(01:41:34):
Terry Devine on. So we will poke at Terry and
make sure that he he joins the show.
I don't remember what Terry's about, so I'm not going to
elaborate on that. But, you know, to the survivor
out there, Katie, I don't know what happened today, but I I
messaged you and and you just, you just didn't respond.
So hopefully everything's OK in your world and you just had a
snack. We wish you well.
Katie. For sure.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
But she sounded like an interesting conversation

(01:41:55):
because, you know, she did, she did dub herself the survivor
from something, not really sure what survivor or what, because,
you know, we didn't have her on the show.
Well, you guys got to listen to two survivors here, so.
You did, you did. And hey again, you can find us
on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,Spotify, all the Apple, all the

(01:42:18):
all the podcasting platforms. As Mike alluded to, also Twitch
because we record this and it's YouTube and Twitch live,
correct. We are working on a website,
chrisandmikeshow.com. So we'll get that up and
running. Be patient with us.
Thank you. It's just two of us, and we have
real lives aside from this, yes.You know?

(01:42:39):
Anything else you want to share before we jump ship?
It's 1111, which is kind of cool, you know?
Here's an interesting fact that I thought you would appreciate
because you like interesting facts.
I do like. Interesting.
You know how we talked about the, I'll make this quick, but
you know how we talked about theairplane and we found out from
Carl the airplane crashes are not really more than we thought

(01:42:59):
they were. Yes, as far as flash floods go,
it's actually way worse than I would have anticipated.
So now they're going to call this the year of the flood.
So far there have been 4400 flash flood reports and the
average year to date is 1900. Wow.

(01:43:20):
So we're what, 3 times? Wow. 2 1/2.
You know what that could be? Because the Earth is moving at
.00000005 milliseconds faster itis.
You know that's going to add up over time though.
It is. It is really, you know, And then

(01:43:40):
they found another world that's just like ours, but it's it's so
far away. It doesn't matter, which I don't
know why they tell us that shit like, oh, we found another world
called Andromney over here and this the other Galaxy.
OK, Why? Who cares?
We're not, unless you're going to beam me up, Scotty, Who
cares? I think it's.
I think that possibility is there.
I think that I think no, I thinkthey're going to be able to fold

(01:44:01):
space and time. I think we're going to finally
learn that time is way differentthan we.
We think time is linear. I don't think time.
Is. I don't think time is either.
Once they can figure out why time is not linear and if they
can fold space and time all of asudden, instead of 480 light
years to get to the next planet,it might be 6 months because you

(01:44:23):
can ZAP through this wormhole. Yeah, and I was watching this
documentary, I think last week, I think it was called Back to
the Future where the scientist, he had developed a time machine
and it it propelled I'm. Going to tell you why that's not
possible. Yeah, he propelled his friend.
Because DeLorean quit making cars.
And I love your example though. Yeah, yeah.

(01:44:48):
There's this documentary. There's three parts to it.
There is actually. There's five, I thought.
No, there's only three Back to the Future.
Oh, I thought there's 5. The third one's where he goes
out West that I'm. Not Oh, that's right.
Yeah. I just, you know, the first one.
The first one was. Good.
The second one was good too. The second one was decent from
the fact that if you, if you go watch the second one, you're

(01:45:09):
going to see all kinds of relevance to our world today,
which is a, which is a trip, which is a total trip.
You know, talking to ATV on the wall, which, you know, we talk
to Siri all the time. So that's a trip.
So talk to your car now. Right.
I had to. I had, I had someone I know that
had had one of those, has one ofthose Rivion trucks, you know
those electric trucks. Yeah, they make them right down

(01:45:30):
the road from where I live. OK.
And you get in there and it's Alexa, Alexa brain.
And he's like, I just tell Alexa, Take Me Home and I buckle
up. And that's all I got to do.
That's crazy, right? Yeah.
There's a way MO graveyard in inmy part of town because the way

(01:45:51):
MO breakdown more than people think and they're lined up side
to side, bumper to bumper. That's the driverless car
company. Right, right.
They're all Jaguars, but they have, they have so much issues
with them that legit there's a graveyard where they just cycle,
they break down, they fix breakdown and they're Jags.
So you know, the vehicle itself is fantastic.

(01:46:11):
It's a Jaguar. You know why I think that is
real quick. Yeah, yes.
Please. I don't think it's the
technology. I think that the infrastructure
is not ready for that advanced of technology.
If you look at how broken down our infrastructure is and now
that I'm driving this car that basically drives itself for a
gas powered engine, it it's not like an electric car, but it's

(01:46:35):
got sensors all over it, right? So it sees the lines on the road
until the lines on the road are not there enough or not there
at. All right.
Yes, yes. You go to other countries and
that's the reason they have realthick lane lines and stuff like
that, so that their cars will drive themselves where they need
to go. It's very helpful if your
infrastructure is up to par. Agreed.

(01:46:57):
Well, but you don't want the infrastructure in the back, the
back country roads of Illinois because it takes the the
character away from that shit. Well, I can.
Still, I mean, at least I wouldn't, you know what I mean?
I don't, I because I, I learned how to drive in Illinois and
those back roads of Illinois andI, I, I can remember that
vividly. I don't, I don't want lane lines
on country roads. I want barren country roads with

(01:47:18):
country roads. Take Me Home.
No, but in the city where you'retalking about driverless cars,
you would think that. And Phoenix is pretty advanced
as far as not being a broken down Rd. system, but it's it's
still aging, right? You haven't been here in a
while. That's ridiculous.
They're down now. They're widening the 2O2.
OK, they built the two O 2 in 2003.

(01:47:41):
Four 5K on my side, the same 10.Oh OK, the other side opened up
when I first moved. There, but they're widening it.
And so they're widening the bridges.
They're they're, it's the stupidest thing, man.
They're doing the same thing here.
It's it's just. Route 80 has been under.
Here's an example of how. Here's an example of how.

(01:48:02):
Sometimes I really believe, and I can't prove this, so I'm just
speculating. Don't sue us.
How? Unions kind of screw things up
sometimes. And I am the vice president of
my local union, so it's not thatI'm anti union.
They literally have been workingon the section of Route 80 since
2016 and in that same amount of time the state of Michigan has

(01:48:24):
done I-94 in a for 168 miles in both directions, including the
overpasses. The state of Illinois has been
working on widening this one section of Route 80.
Now, it is a massive engineeringproject.
I'm not saying it's not. It's massive just like you're
describing. Adding lanes to an Interstate is
not just as simple as laying down on a strip of concrete.

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Right. But come on now, people.
Yeah, yeah. Do better, Illinois, Do better.
Do better. Like if you're going to build
roads, you're building roads because you know the population
is coming. So Bill, for the population, you
know that's coming instead of baby stepping it.
Thank you. Thank you.

(01:49:06):
Don't let the bad days win. Somebody Loves You.
Somebody will miss you. Don't leave a hole in somebody
else's heart because you decidedto take your own life and you
know it's it's not worth it. So talk to somebody, reach out
to Google Machine. There's always somebody that
will listen to you. Somebody will help guide you
through the problem that you're having.
Take a nap, meditate, journal, journal your feelings.

(01:49:28):
You'll find that tomorrow is a better day when you wake up and
start fresh for Mike Michaels. I'm Kristen.
This is the Chris and Mike show.Thank you so much for listening
and allowing us to do this little podcast thing.
That's Mike's dream to take overthe world.
We're getting there inch by inch.
World domination. As Brian Morrison says, inch by
inch is a cinch. Right, yard by yard is hard.

(01:49:49):
Yard by yard is hard. Until next time people, nothing
but love. Love you brother.
Love you too. Peace, Peace.
We don't want to fly and this stuff to you.
Look the tablet. Go insane.
This is the place where you willgo.

(01:50:20):
Feel the trail behind your eyes.Feel yourself and meet yourself.
Take a moment. Look.
Until you see him, what's the fail?
That's you for the clear, but you fuck Will.

(01:50:40):
Who is this baby?

(01:51:30):
The. Now you turn it, come down here.

(01:52:03):
We haven't bounced all the exam from fighting.
Wait for the day. When it's.
Closer. I'm here for the way you ain't
no creature. We don't play in France.
You press on the almighty man. You got a dream.

(01:52:28):
Who in your life to keep our soul in every man?
Take the trail behind your eyes.Feel the soul evolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:52:56):
Take your moment.

(01:54:08):
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