August 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Gemma Serenity Gorokhoff shares her powerful journey from surviving 15 years of domestic violence to becoming a multi-award winning entrepreneur helping others rebuild their lives after abuse. She reveals how imagination, a spiritual awakening, and the revolutionary idea that happiness is a duty led to her escape and transformation.
• Trapped in abusive relationships by believing "outside was hell" and fearing the unknown
• Using imagination to envision healthy relationships when reality offered none
• Finding freedom through the revolutionary concept that happiness is a duty, not just a right
• Fleeing in the middle of the night after a divine intervention prevented suicide
• Learning that beliefs shape intentions, which create our reality
• Taking the first step toward freedom even without knowing the next steps
• Rebuilding life from zero to becoming an award-winning entrepreneur and author
• Using imagination as the one tool no one can take away from you
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
If you've been stuck in fear, self-doubt, your past
failures and you're ready tobreak through your comfort zones
to finally reach the pinnacleof success in every area of your
life, then this podcast is foryou.
Here's your host, Terry LFossum.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey, terry L Fossum here and welcome once again to
the Comeback Chronicles podcast.
You are going to love my guesttoday.
I know I do Back again, I'mhappy to say I have to tell on
myself I forgot to hit record,so she was gracious enough to
come back and share her wisdomwith us.
Great interview.
I'm so, so happy to have herback.
Let me tell you about Gemma.
Gemma Serenity Gorkoff is apowerful voice of transformation
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, emotional healing and personalrebirth.
Victorious over 15 years ofdomestic violence across two
marriages, gemma fled in themiddle of the night without
anything or anybody and rebuilther life from rock bottom,
guided by a spiritual awakeningand an unshakable decision to
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live.
Today she's a multi-awardwinning entrepreneur and leader,
the founder and host of RealTalk, real Women, breaking the
Silence Around Abuse, a globallystreamed podcast with over 2.6
million downloads.
She's also the creator of LoveAgain with Confidence, a
transformational community andhealing platform that helps
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people reclaim their self-worthand build healthy, soul-aligned
love relationships.
In addition, she's the leadauthor of the powerful anthology
Rising After Abuse, featuringstories of courage, healing and
triumph.
She now lives in Arizona withher husband, sasha a great guy,
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her real-life comeback lovestory and is leading her
community, rooted in peace,power and purpose.
Gemma, thank you so much forjoining me on the show again.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
It is such an honor, Terry.
Thank you, Thank you so, somuch for inviting me again to
record.
That's better right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I think it will be absolutely so.
You've got so much, so much toshare with everybody.
What I'd like to do?
Because, again, this is theComeback Chronicles podcast and
there are people right now thatare going through challenges.
Some of them may be marriagechallenges, abuse challenges,
such as you went through but weall have challenges and they all
have certain things in commonas we're going through them how
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we view our situation that we'rein.
When you were in thosechallenges, how did you view
that?
We'll talk about the comebackbut you were stuck in there for
two marriages for a lot of years.
How did you view yourself, yoursituation and everything at the
time to help our listeners?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, absolutely.
Thank you for asking that.
I did see myself as separatefrom everybody else.
So no law of divine oneness atall.
I did see myself as isolated.
I did believe that, well,that's the life I chose, I just
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did it.
I believed that outside of homeit was hell, even though I was
walking outside to go to workand meeting people every day.
But still, I believed somehowthat if I would consider
breaking these relationships andmoving on to something else, I
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would be lost and I would be inhell.
Wow so believing that was a verystrong hold to keep me stuck in
the list of violence, becauseit was the only thing I knew.
Right Like, yeah, that's safebecause I know it.
However, it's not safe becausesometimes I'm really really
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risking my life.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right, and so it sounds like it's somewhat fear
of the unknown.
You know, I know what I havehere out there is scary.
It's something different and Idon't know what different is,
and right now things aren'tgoing well.
Maybe it'll be even worse thereIs that kind of what you're
saying there.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Kind of kind of.
So what I discovered about thefear of the unknown is that it's
false expectation appearingreal, that famous fear acronym
but it feels so strongly like aunsurmountable thing.
And when you imagine or whenyou ask questions because that's
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what you believe to be true,you will hear stories like yeah,
I left and then I had nothing,and then I just landed on the
floor in that new apartment andI had nothing, and and I was
just so grateful and I was there.
When you listen to that, you'rehere like I rather stay in my
very comfortable home, even ifthere is domestic violence going
on in there.
Well, I don't do that.
You know there is a lot ofprojection of what you believe
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to be true in order to actuallygather more evidence that what
you believe is true.
Yeah, ah, of course you willstay stuck with that.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Right, right, but, but that's absolutely true.
We we have beliefs and then,when we're looking at external
factors, we really see the onesthat that build up our current
beliefs instead of build newbeliefs, and and that will keep
us in whatever situation we'rein.
Well, sure, things are bad here, but it could be worse
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somewhere else, so a lot oftimes, we stay stuck in what
we're doing, whatever it is.
Again, we've been talking aboutmarriage, but whatever
situation for the listeners thatyou're in right now understand
that that's what's going on.
You're seeing the world aroundyou as building up your current
beliefs instead of helping youbuild those new ones.
You need to look for theexternal factors that build new
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beliefs, strong beliefs insideof you that allow you to get
through this.
How did you do that, gemma,when you're going through what
you were going through at thetime?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I had one thing that I still have a vivid imagination
and that I always had.
And one day and also I love towrite and one day was like about
I don't know, 14 months beforethe really the end of that
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entire part of my life, I metsomeone, a colleague, a work
colleague from another something, sister in the organization.
And that colleague, we startedto just like I missed him in the
global communication.
He came back and said hey, it'sme, and I did not receive it.
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And he kept on sending mesmiles and I was.
That is interesting.
You do that with a little emojismile, smile, smile, smile.
And I was there.
Who is that person who keeps onsmiling?
A couple of weeks later we hadlike a huge global organization
meeting and I say hello toeverybody.
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I knew nearly nobody because Idid just start in that new
company and I meet that personwho is indeed smiling.
So of course we click and it'slike, hey, I mean that's nice,
it's really, really nice.
And then we started to talk alittle bit and we decided to
actually vividly imagine storiestogether through our computers.
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I'm sending you a part of thestory, you continue the part of
sending me back and I continueand you continue and we
co-create an entire storyline ofsomething imaginary, something
completely like another world,other circumstance, other people
, other marriages, otherconnection, other love,
something different.
Being with that made meactually change that entire
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attraction, point towardssomething that is a healthy,
beautiful love.
Wow, wow, towards somethingthat is a healthy, beautiful
love.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
So I actually stir in myself feelings of love.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Because of that imagination, vivid imagination
how would that go?
And he seemed to be a veryhealthy-minded man, not a crazy
one.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Someone who is able to actually see a woman as a
partner.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, not as someone to dominate the way I
knew.
Wow, not as someone toabsolutely to tame the way I
knew right he's like.
And then I started to reallylike poke and ask questions and
say, hey, just a question.
And I was actually takingstories that I just experienced
in my marriage, saying if wewould be married, you and I and
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I would go to the grocery storeand I would forget the sugar
that you did ask me to bringback.
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Personally, I'd say I'll jump in my truck and go get
some sugar.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Exactly, exactly, something like that.
And he told me something likewell, if I cannot go, I will ask
you to go back get the sugarand voila.
And I was there, that's it.
Wow, yeah, and all the anger,all the temper tantrum and all
the, all the anger, all the, all, the, the temper tantrum, all
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the names, all the belittlingand all that, that storm that I
just went through, and he wasthere, whoa, that's, that's bad.
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So that person actually served me as an anchor
to figure out.
How would that be?
We were not available to becomea couple.
That was not in the making,that was not the topic Right
right.
He helped me walk and ask andimagine differently.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, you got to see an example of the way it should
be.
Yeah, and it seems to mewhether it is because I love
what you're saying about yourimagination and how you guys
would build that story.
So that tells me, for everybodywho's going through whatever
you're going through and seeingall the bad, start by just
imagining what it would be likeif it was good, whether it's
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your job, your business, yourrelationship, whatever it is,
your life, your illness, yourbody, whatever it is.
Start imagining in your mindright now.
What if?
What if it was great?
What if it wasn't this way?
But it was that way, and it isan amazing thing.
The mind, as you well know, isan amazing thing.
You can create new realitiesand we always learn by example,
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which is what you're saying withthe gentleman you were talking
to.
You can create that exampleyourself that you can learn from
.
If you don't have a good one,that being said, go find a good
one, right?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, but I did not define what a good one was for
me, right?
I did not know what it was.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's a great point, that's a huge point.
Continue on that, please, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I remember the first time I was 17 years old and I
met my first crazy husband.
He was just the mostexceptional bad boy in the group
, Ah, the most eccentric, theweirdest of all, the only smoker
, the only who stays apart, theonly weird one.
And I was there, a weird one.
Let me take a good look at it,Because I was curious.
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Imagination, curiosity,amazement.
I just wanted to see somethingnew and I asked him as a
17-year-old kid, asking a19-year-old kid, yeah, we know
so much from life, right Gosh.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Okay, now, teach me real life.
And he told me.
He told me well, I can teachyou real life.
And he told me.
He told me, well, I can, I canteach you real life.
It's not always rosy, but thereis a few good moments that
should have say like life willbe good.
No, I said, okay, show me life.
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And he showed me an entirespectrum of all his mental
illnesses that I did not knowhow to name and I experienced
the worst kind of abuse in termsof dangerously living at home,
dangerous.
So many days, so many.
But I was just like, okay, andthat is when I actually built
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that belief.
And that is when I actuallybuilt that belief.
Well, I chose him, I marriedhim.
Now I'm here, and I'm hereuntil he dies, because he will
die before me, guaranteed withthat kind of life.
So I will wait until 50 yearsold to actually live, and you
say that at 17.
Oh gosh, I did not know better.
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I did not know better.
If I deserved better, I didallow myself to get stuck.
These things are changeable.
We do not have to stay lockedin a belief.
If that belief does not serveyour highest good, shift it.
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And you know how it changed.
For that story to end, because,thank God, it did end Before
eight's birthday.
Amen.
After actually 5 years, itstopped.
I met an older gentleman in achurch gathering and he told me
yeah right, everybody says thatyou have the right to be happy.
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That's true, but that will goone step further.
You have the right to be happy.
That's true, but that will goone step further.
You have the duty to be happy.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Oh, my God.
Yeah so you can imagine thatI'm crying every single day
because it's just awful hell.
This is, by the way, why I didnot put any makeup on, because I
was going to cry and I knew itevery day.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Don't put any makeup, you will cry anyway.
You know how it is and I heardit is your duty to be happy.
It just hit me so strong I said, whoa, if it is my duty to be
happy, I'm gone.
It cannot be with that man.
I'm gone.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I love it.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
God shifted something in me strong enough to actually
break that relationship andbreak all the bridge and stop it
.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Wow.
So let's make sure everybody'stuned in here.
It is your duty to be happy.
It is your duty and I'll throwon from just my personal belief
level, and I respect everybody'sbelief level you know, god made
us as a person and it's ourduty to give back to him as his
creation of being happy.
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And we don't have to doanything else.
We shouldn't do anything else.
We're not supposed to doanything else.
It's our duty to be happy.
I love that, gemma.
Keep going oh, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
so the second situation again, I did not list,
I did not do my inner healing,I did not consider that I had a
problem of attraction.
I knew nothing about all theuniversal laws.
I noticed a few things.
I noticed that when you putyour mind to something, that
something of attraction I knewnothing about all the universal
laws.
I noticed a few things.
I noticed that when you putyour mind to something, that
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something happens.
I noticed that when you believesomething, a path appears and
that thing happens.
That I noticed.
But how true that was, I didn'tknow.
So I just continued and about ayear after that first complete
breakup, I meet another person,but this time I manifest that
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person, but not in details.
I want a pianist, a virtuosopianist, because I'm also a
violinist, I'm also a musician,I'm also a songwriter, I play
the keyboard, I play all kindsof music, music is in my blood
and when you play the violin youreally have to be so advanced
in order to play alone, withoutanything around you, and just
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really hold the space.
It's much bigger and betterwhen you have another musician
going with you and now youcreate something together and
ideally, ideally, a piano isgreat.
So I did put the intention.
Now I'm meeting a pianist, so Igo into online at the beginning
2003, go online to actuallymeet someone.
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It was like you don't do that,yeah, I'm good.
So I'm really someone good.
Today it's like, yeah, no one,everybody does that right.
Meet someone good.
Today, it's like, yeah, no one,everybody does that right.
And I meet that person and hejust tells me in between the
lines well, I'm blind and I'mhere.
(17:06):
Yeah, it doesn't.
It truly does not unface me,because you are truly like
communicating with me on thecomputer, so you're truly not
handicapped.
Yeah, so I don't even know whatblind means truly In that case,
I mean, we are talking,everything is fine.
I got you on the phone,everything is fine.
Yeah, I'm blind and I care.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I truly not care yeah .
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And we meet and I find someone with those white
eyes that don't see.
So, oh, because it was true.
Oh gosh, I thought that youwere joking.
No, all right, but thatactually created another trap
for me.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
How so.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Because I made the commitment for some reason and
don't ask me why.
I don't remember.
Why to always be the wife ofsomeone who has a handicap?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
The first one mental handicap all over knee, back.
I mean he even went on awheelchair for some years, like
really, really handicapped insome ways.
The second one blind, butvirtuoso, but elite in sports.
An elite in sports.
So I'm highly amazed.
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Again, amazing, completelyblinded by the last right, but I
did not check all the otherthings.
Am I?
What kind of point ofattraction do I manifest right
now?
What are the features of thementality of that person?
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How do we fit?
What do I bring to a coupleright now?
I did not go through that kindof thought.
So the next blind was the rightone.
Somehow, I don't know how, butit happened.
But it did not work.
The relationship did not work.
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I felt quickly, within thethird week I felt dumb in his
eyes.
Logically, if you are in loveand if you are creating a new
relationship, you must feelelevated, uplifted, empowered in
the eyes of your partner.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You don't feel like the little, like smaller, like
not.
You don't feel no.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And that is how I felt, from the get-go and having
to, of course, like sightseeinghim.
How do you say that?
Guiding him because he couldn'tsee?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And then learning at home some tricks that you would
not even imagine if you had notkept with the blind, such as a
door must be closed or openbecause if it is in between,
someone who does not see isgoing to go through.
Well, middle of the forehead isgoing to be in the face
somewhere right that kind ofthings you learn going to shit
in the face somewhere.
That kind of things you learnwhen you are in it.
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You don't imagine that when youdon't know it.
So, again, I stick with itbecause of that belief.
We've had a few strong beliefsthat helped me strap in those
relationships.
All of that, I'm telling you,it's decades ago.
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The end of one time five years,one time, ten years ended in
2013,.
12 years ago.
12 years ago, there is aspecial month the month of June
2013.
On June 1st, I meet Sasha.
The day I meet Sasha, somethingshifts regarding my gentleman
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pen pal, because I feel such astrong bond with Sasha I don't
know how to name it, but I feela bond and I quickly drop out of
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that fantasy world that we werewriting together with a
gentleman, and I even tell himwell, I think I met someone who
really corresponds to the kindof things we were writing.
I don't know, but I'm notavailable.
He's not available, so there isno new story there.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
On June 3rd, two days after we meet, the stronghold
which was the mother of Sashacommits suicide because she is
completely mentally crazy in theworst way, same kind of way
than my first husband.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And she decided to actually get back at him one
more time and to hopefully bestill alive in a wheelchair or
highly damaged.
She did not think she wouldactually die by jumping from the
seventh floor, but seventhfloor, that's it.
That's where it happened.
So that happens on June 3rd andon June.
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So Sasha calls me back, I getwith him, we go through that
entire day together and then Ireturn home.
However, I made a big, big, bigmistake, announcing that I was
helping my newfound brother ofanother lifetime, meaning Sasha,
deal with the suicide of hismother and because he has no
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family left, having told thatsentence to my blind ex-husband
left, having told that sentenceto my blind ex-husband, that was
.
That was the, the oil on thefire that increased the level of
abuse.
Something monumental.
Not physical this time,physical was before.
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This time it was all mental,like entering, entering into my
psyche, taking over mydecision-making, making me stop
to think in ways that arecompletely crippling.
Yeah, mental abuse, emotionalabuse.
And he makes me not sleep atnight, not sleep during the day,
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going to work, not sleep atnight again, not sleep during
the day.
It's impossible, that's awful.
And in that level of exhaustionhe makes me promise, swear,
that I will never contact Sashaagain.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Oh, wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So I do that I will never contact Sasha again.
But the word really says I willnever contact Sasha again.
But the word really says I willnever contact Sasha again.
Well, if Sasha makes her firststep, that works.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
So that's exactly what happens If you whatever.
Sometime later, sasha contactsme, and Sasha is highly, highly,
highly perceptive.
He perceives before you tellhim things and he knew somehow
that if he would tell me how areyou doing, I would not even
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answer or just go fine.
So he said why did you drop me?
Why did you abandon me?
I hurt so much, especially whenI felt such a strong bond with
him and I answered right away.
Contact was reestablished and Ipoured my despair on him.
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Well, here is what is happening.
Here is what is going on.
I cannot continue that way.
Yeah, and he told me the keyanswer.
Well, take the first step outand then manage to get all the
strings attached and manage lifedifferently, but you have to
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first leave.
Nobody can help you while youstay there.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Okay, and that day I did not go home, I went straight
to police to report domesticviolence.
It was an awful experiencebecause of all the level of
emotion and recognizing andseeing those days Sure, awful
experience.
And then I was even accompaniedby police to pick up my baby,
son and my stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So that I could go to a women's shelter with my baby
son.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Great.
But even there it failed againand I found myself back home as
if I never left oh wow, leavinga lot of details out there.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
This is not so important, and I found myself
back home as if I never left.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Oh wow, Leaving a lot of details out there.
This is not so important.
The importance is that I reallytried.
It did not work.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
So now I'm in, like I tried 50 times to leave and one
more time.
That seems to be the right one,still not.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
But I'm out of here.
I am not staying in domesticviolence one more day.
So I make an intention so clear.
Well, alive or dead, I'm gonewow okay.
Oh, that, that's super easy.
I'm living on the 10th floor.
It just worked for the servants, it will work for the 10.
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So, yeah, that, yeah, thatworks Okay.
So what do I do?
Well, I open the window and I'mgone.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
And I did not see twice.
I had already opened the window.
I was almost.
I was on the edge when I hear adivine voice this is what you
read in my bio Divine Awakening.
I hear a divine voice thatmakes me feel again, feelings
loved, that I matter, that I'mimportant, and it is the most
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beautiful, gorgeous sound ofvoice I ever heard.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And that voice tells me yeah, of course you can jump,
yeah, it's going to work, butI'm going to give you the same
life in worse.
Wow, okay, meet by the door,but tell me this is the only
time the door opens silent.
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I remind you, a blind has rightgood ears, extremely good
perception of his surroundings.
He's like no, he's not blind atall, just perceives differently
.
The door opens silently,letting me go, and closed
silently.
I can run the 10th floorthrough the SOS stairs I don't
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know how to say that and I amout.
I left.
And now what?
And this is where I left,without nobody, without anything
, without nothing that wouldclose on my back.
I mean, when you die, you don'tneed anything.
And I was not going to take mybaby with me not knowing where I
was going.
Not, not, if I knew where I wasgoing, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Where I was going, not Not.
If I knew where I was going,yeah, maybe Right when I was
going and potentially to death.
So no he will leave one way oranother.
Wow, so now I'm here talkingback to that voice.
That is another dimension.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Now what?
What do I do?
And the answer is the exactaddress location of Sasha.
Wow, and I'm like I can walkthere.
It's going to take a whilebecause I'm not going to drive,
not in that state.
And I don't have my car keysand I'm going to go back to get
them Anyway, so I'm going towalk two hours to his home.
Wow 1.30 am, middle of the night.
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I'm a woman.
I 1.30 am, middle of the night.
I'm a woman, I'm alone, I'mfleeing domestic violence and I
walk to Sasha.
Sasha wakes up, finds me andasks me okay, what's going on?
And I say the last word.
He told me I took the firststep out and then manage Hi, wow
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, don't know the next step.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But you took that step in faith, though you knew
you had to take the step.
Whatever comes afterwards, youhad to take that step and you
took that step.
And again, for the listeners,whatever that step is for you,
take that step.
Take it.
For one thing, it couldn't beworse.
It could not be worse than whatyou were going through and what
you were thinking about.
It can only be better.
(29:30):
Take the step, and it's funnyhow God will find a way for you,
as he did for you, and we callhim Sasha.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And Sasha helped me, brought me to the emergency
emergency room, got me in allthe safety mental health safety
facility, because I was reallyin india.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I was in for a moment in time right.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
So he put me in safety and kept on calling me
every single day on the phone.
How are you feeling?
Not how you're doing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what you'refeeling tune into how you feel
and tell, not how are you doing,yeah, yeah, yeah, how are you
feeling.
Tune into how you feel and tellme how you feel, a real
connection.
And some days I told him Idon't know, how is it that I'm
still alive.
And other days I told him I'mrelated, I'm so happy, grateful.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
A real answer.
And then, months and months andmonths and months, we fell in
love.
Later on we got married.
Later on we moved to the UnitedStates together from
Switzerland.
Another year later A lot ofthings happened.
But the beauty of it is thatwhen you have put an intention
(30:37):
but an intention, a path appears, Even if it seems there is no
path.
But your belief precedes yourintention.
What you believe to be true isbefore your intention.
So when I believed to be truethat outside was hell, my
(30:59):
intention was not to go to hell.
This is why, when I suddenlyreally made up my mind, I leave
alive or dead.
I am out, yeah, okay, so do youwant it?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
worse.
No, I want it better, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
So how is it going to be better?
Well, you have to actually stayalive and change your thought
and change your life and changeyour circumstances.
Go to Sasha.
He knows he will teach youSomething like that.
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I think it's important that everybody knows
and we've got to watch the clockhere.
I know we've got some steps wewant to talk about very quickly
and then also a new book to talkabout.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
But I think it's important to know that you have
the power.
A lot of times when you're inthese situations, you don't feel
like you do.
You feel powerless, especiallywhen people have been putting
you down and stepping on you andtelling you you're worthless
and feeling you're worthlessyourself.
You feel you have no power.
The truth is you do.
You have much more power withinyou than you possibly believe
(31:55):
that you have or that you couldeven possibly conceive that you
have.
You do have that power in youto change your life and a whole
lot of other lives.
You just got to seize thatpower.
Is that right, Gemma?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
It is absolutely accurate and correct.
Thank you for sharing that insuch a concise way.
Yes, you bet.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So what would you?
And we're not?
We, unfortunately, and I'llhave you back on a different one
and let's record on that one aswell.
But but what would you?
What advice would you have forthe people who are in whatever
situation they're in and don'tfeel like they can get out of,
don't know how, don't know ifthey want to, don't know if
(32:34):
they're worthy of it?
What advice would you have forthese people?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Imagine, because imagination is the one thing
nobody can get away from you.
Imagine, how good can that be,how better could that possibly
be?
What if you could be trulyhappy and fulfilled?
(33:03):
What if you could be trulyhappy and fulfilled?
What if the person of yourdreams, someone good that makes
you feel amazing, is waiting foryou to finally come out so that
you can meet?
How about that?
Just allow yourself to havethat seed planted in your mind
(33:26):
and let it grow.
Water reads on.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I love that and that is so powerful.
People don't, I think,understand the power within that
, because that vision you'vecreated can become a reality
within your mind, and then youcan manifest that reality, and
that's not, you know, woo-woostuff or anything like that.
It's the God's honest,scientific, psychological truth.
(33:50):
So, folks, do it.
Do it.
Before we close, though.
You've got a new book comingout that I really want you to
talk about.
Tell everybody about your newbook coming out.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yes, yes that I really want you to talk about.
Tell everybody about your newbook coming out, yes, yes.
So one thing I discovered afterI met Sacha and I learned so
much about life, about energyand about the universal law.
You all know the law ofattraction.
We all heard it's a secretright, but this is only one out
of 12.
What are the 11 other laws?
(34:22):
What if the reason why you tryto use the law of attraction and
you still don't get the thingthat you want is because you are
using only one law and not allof them?
How about that?
so I sat down and wrote anotherversion of the 12 universal,
eternal laws, but I made it fun,really fun and humorous, as
(34:47):
taught by your cats I absolutelylove cats Right on and show
that those universal laws apply,regardless if you know them or
not, regardless if you're awareof them or not, regardless if
you believe in them or not.
(35:08):
It is the way it is.
This is how things happen.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
So that is my new book.
I can't wait and do you haveany idea?
What is it?
August?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
2025.
Okay, fantastic.
And what I want to do is is assoon as it comes out, I want to
have you back on and so you cantalk about that book, and, of
course, I want a copy.
You know that's right.
Let me know where I can buy one.
That's fantastic.
So what's just some last minutepoint you'd love to make to the
audience listening in today?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'm going live on TikTok every single day from 5
to 7 am Pacific time, whichmeans 8 to 10 am Eastern time,
us United States time.
That is one thing, and I'm inthere every single day Right now
.
I have started in June 2025 todo that and it's such a fun
(36:02):
journey because I happen toconnect with real people, so it
expands together our ability tomanifest more, to heal together,
to support each other and torise up.
So if you want to join me, findme on TikTok.
It's just Gemma Serenity.
(36:23):
There is nothing, no point, no,nothing.
Just Gemma Serenity on TikTokand I will be glad to meet with
you.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I love that.
I love that.
And Gemma has so much going on.
You've got to look into her.
Fantastic stuff, fantasticcoaching, life-changing stuff.
But for the listeners for today, what I want to remind you is
just visualize it.
Imagine, use that imaginationyou used to use when you were a
kid.
Bring it back, man.
Imagine what life could be like, whatever the instance is that
(36:56):
you're talking about, andunderstand that you truly do
have the power within you tomake it like that.
You just got to take that firststep, and if you'll do it, then
you can write your own ComebackChronicle.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So that's it for today's episode of the Comeback
Chronicles.
Head on over to Apple Podcastsor wherever you listen, and
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failures and break through yourcomfort zone to reach the
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(37:36):
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We'll see you next week on theComeback Chronicles podcast.
If you've been stuck in fear, self-doubt, your past
failures and you're ready tobreak through your comfort zones
to finally reach the pinnacleof success in every area of your
life, then this podcast is foryou.
Here's your host, Terry LFossum.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey, terry L Fossum here and welcome once again to
the Comeback Chronicles podcast.
You are going to love my guesttoday.
I know I do Back again, I'mhappy to say I have to tell on
myself I forgot to hit record,so she was gracious enough to
come back and share her wisdomwith us.
Great interview.
I'm so, so happy to have herback.
Let me tell you about Gemma.
Gemma Serenity Gorkoff is apowerful voice of transformation
(00:49):
, emotional healing and personalrebirth.
Victorious over 15 years ofdomestic violence across two
marriages, gemma fled in themiddle of the night without
anything or anybody and rebuilther life from rock bottom,
guided by a spiritual awakeningand an unshakable decision to
(01:10):
live.
Today she's a multi-awardwinning entrepreneur and leader,
the founder and host of RealTalk, real Women, breaking the
Silence Around Abuse, a globallystreamed podcast with over 2.6
million downloads.
She's also the creator of LoveAgain with Confidence, a
transformational community andhealing platform that helps
(01:31):
people reclaim their self-worthand build healthy, soul-aligned
love relationships.
In addition, she's the leadauthor of the powerful anthology
Rising After Abuse, featuringstories of courage, healing and
triumph.
She now lives in Arizona withher husband, sasha a great guy,
(01:51):
her real-life comeback lovestory and is leading her
community, rooted in peace,power and purpose.
Gemma, thank you so much forjoining me on the show again.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
It is such an honor, Terry.
Thank you, Thank you so, somuch for inviting me again to
record.
That's better right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I think it will be absolutely so.
You've got so much, so much toshare with everybody.
What I'd like to do?
Because, again, this is theComeback Chronicles podcast and
there are people right now thatare going through challenges.
Some of them may be marriagechallenges, abuse challenges,
such as you went through but weall have challenges and they all
have certain things in commonas we're going through them how
(02:30):
we view our situation that we'rein.
When you were in thosechallenges, how did you view
that?
We'll talk about the comebackbut you were stuck in there for
two marriages for a lot of years.
How did you view yourself, yoursituation and everything at the
time to help our listeners?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, absolutely.
Thank you for asking that.
I did see myself as separatefrom everybody else.
So no law of divine oneness atall.
I did see myself as isolated.
I did believe that, well,that's the life I chose, I just
(03:07):
did it.
I believed that outside of homeit was hell, even though I was
walking outside to go to workand meeting people every day.
But still, I believed somehowthat if I would consider
breaking these relationships andmoving on to something else, I
(03:32):
would be lost and I would be inhell.
Wow so believing that was a verystrong hold to keep me stuck in
the list of violence, becauseit was the only thing I knew.
Right Like, yeah, that's safebecause I know it.
However, it's not safe becausesometimes I'm really really
(03:53):
risking my life.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right, and so it sounds like it's somewhat fear
of the unknown.
You know, I know what I havehere out there is scary.
It's something different and Idon't know what different is,
and right now things aren'tgoing well.
Maybe it'll be even worse thereIs that kind of what you're
saying there.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Kind of kind of.
So what I discovered about thefear of the unknown is that it's
false expectation appearingreal, that famous fear acronym
but it feels so strongly like aunsurmountable thing.
And when you imagine or whenyou ask questions because that's
(04:32):
what you believe to be true,you will hear stories like yeah,
I left and then I had nothing,and then I just landed on the
floor in that new apartment andI had nothing, and and I was
just so grateful and I was there.
When you listen to that, you'rehere like I rather stay in my
very comfortable home, even ifthere is domestic violence going
on in there.
Well, I don't do that.
You know there is a lot ofprojection of what you believe
(04:57):
to be true in order to actuallygather more evidence that what
you believe is true.
Yeah, ah, of course you willstay stuck with that.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Right, right, but, but that's absolutely true.
We we have beliefs and then,when we're looking at external
factors, we really see the onesthat that build up our current
beliefs instead of build newbeliefs, and and that will keep
us in whatever situation we'rein.
Well, sure, things are bad here, but it could be worse
(05:27):
somewhere else, so a lot oftimes, we stay stuck in what
we're doing, whatever it is.
Again, we've been talking aboutmarriage, but whatever
situation for the listeners thatyou're in right now understand
that that's what's going on.
You're seeing the world aroundyou as building up your current
beliefs instead of helping youbuild those new ones.
You need to look for theexternal factors that build new
(05:49):
beliefs, strong beliefs insideof you that allow you to get
through this.
How did you do that, gemma,when you're going through what
you were going through at thetime?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I had one thing that I still have a vivid imagination
and that I always had.
And one day and also I love towrite and one day was like about
I don't know, 14 months beforethe really the end of that
(06:20):
entire part of my life, I metsomeone, a colleague, a work
colleague from another something, sister in the organization.
And that colleague, we startedto just like I missed him in the
global communication.
He came back and said hey, it'sme, and I did not receive it.
(06:41):
And he kept on sending mesmiles and I was.
That is interesting.
You do that with a little emojismile, smile, smile, smile.
And I was there.
Who is that person who keeps onsmiling?
A couple of weeks later we hadlike a huge global organization
meeting and I say hello toeverybody.
(07:04):
I knew nearly nobody because Idid just start in that new
company and I meet that personwho is indeed smiling.
So of course we click and it'slike, hey, I mean that's nice,
it's really, really nice.
And then we started to talk alittle bit and we decided to
actually vividly imagine storiestogether through our computers.
(07:29):
I'm sending you a part of thestory, you continue the part of
sending me back and I continueand you continue and we
co-create an entire storyline ofsomething imaginary, something
completely like another world,other circumstance, other people
, other marriages, otherconnection, other love,
something different.
Being with that made meactually change that entire
(07:58):
attraction, point towardssomething that is a healthy,
beautiful love.
Wow, wow, towards somethingthat is a healthy, beautiful
love.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
So I actually stir in myself feelings of love.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Because of that imagination, vivid imagination
how would that go?
And he seemed to be a veryhealthy-minded man, not a crazy
one.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Someone who is able to actually see a woman as a
partner.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, not as someone to dominate the way I
knew.
Wow, not as someone toabsolutely to tame the way I
knew right he's like.
And then I started to reallylike poke and ask questions and
say, hey, just a question.
And I was actually takingstories that I just experienced
in my marriage, saying if wewould be married, you and I and
(08:55):
I would go to the grocery storeand I would forget the sugar
that you did ask me to bringback.
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Personally, I'd say I'll jump in my truck and go get
some sugar.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Exactly, exactly, something like that.
And he told me something likewell, if I cannot go, I will ask
you to go back get the sugarand voila.
And I was there, that's it.
Wow, yeah, and all the anger,all the temper tantrum and all
the, all the anger, all the, all, the, the temper tantrum, all
(09:29):
the names, all the belittlingand all that, that storm that I
just went through, and he wasthere, whoa, that's, that's bad.
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So that person actually served me as an anchor
to figure out.
How would that be?
We were not available to becomea couple.
That was not in the making,that was not the topic Right
right.
He helped me walk and ask andimagine differently.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, you got to see an example of the way it should
be.
Yeah, and it seems to mewhether it is because I love
what you're saying about yourimagination and how you guys
would build that story.
So that tells me, for everybodywho's going through whatever
you're going through and seeingall the bad, start by just
imagining what it would be likeif it was good, whether it's
(10:25):
your job, your business, yourrelationship, whatever it is,
your life, your illness, yourbody, whatever it is.
Start imagining in your mindright now.
What if?
What if it was great?
What if it wasn't this way?
But it was that way, and it isan amazing thing.
The mind, as you well know, isan amazing thing.
You can create new realitiesand we always learn by example,
(10:48):
which is what you're saying withthe gentleman you were talking
to.
You can create that exampleyourself that you can learn from
.
If you don't have a good one,that being said, go find a good
one, right?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, but I did not define what a good one was for
me, right?
I did not know what it was.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's a great point, that's a huge point.
Continue on that, please, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I remember the first time I was 17 years old and I
met my first crazy husband.
He was just the mostexceptional bad boy in the group
, Ah, the most eccentric, theweirdest of all, the only smoker
, the only who stays apart, theonly weird one.
And I was there, a weird one.
Let me take a good look at it,Because I was curious.
(11:38):
Imagination, curiosity,amazement.
I just wanted to see somethingnew and I asked him as a
17-year-old kid, asking a19-year-old kid, yeah, we know
so much from life, right Gosh.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Okay, now, teach me real life.
And he told me.
He told me well, I can teachyou real life.
And he told me.
He told me, well, I can, I canteach you real life.
It's not always rosy, but thereis a few good moments that
should have say like life willbe good.
No, I said, okay, show me life.
(12:18):
And he showed me an entirespectrum of all his mental
illnesses that I did not knowhow to name and I experienced
the worst kind of abuse in termsof dangerously living at home,
dangerous.
So many days, so many.
But I was just like, okay, andthat is when I actually built
(12:41):
that belief.
And that is when I actuallybuilt that belief.
Well, I chose him, I marriedhim.
Now I'm here, and I'm hereuntil he dies, because he will
die before me, guaranteed withthat kind of life.
So I will wait until 50 yearsold to actually live, and you
say that at 17.
Oh gosh, I did not know better.
(13:04):
I did not know better.
If I deserved better, I didallow myself to get stuck.
These things are changeable.
We do not have to stay lockedin a belief.
If that belief does not serveyour highest good, shift it.
(13:24):
And you know how it changed.
For that story to end, because,thank God, it did end Before
eight's birthday.
Amen.
After actually 5 years, itstopped.
I met an older gentleman in achurch gathering and he told me
yeah right, everybody says thatyou have the right to be happy.
(13:48):
That's true, but that will goone step further.
You have the right to be happy.
That's true, but that will goone step further.
You have the duty to be happy.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh, I like that.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Oh, my God.
Yeah so you can imagine thatI'm crying every single day
because it's just awful hell.
This is, by the way, why I didnot put any makeup on, because I
was going to cry and I knew itevery day.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Don't put any makeup, you will cry anyway.
You know how it is and I heardit is your duty to be happy.
It just hit me so strong I said, whoa, if it is my duty to be
happy, I'm gone.
It cannot be with that man.
I'm gone.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I love it.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
God shifted something in me strong enough to actually
break that relationship andbreak all the bridge and stop it
.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Wow.
So let's make sure everybody'stuned in here.
It is your duty to be happy.
It is your duty and I'll throwon from just my personal belief
level, and I respect everybody'sbelief level you know, god made
us as a person and it's ourduty to give back to him as his
creation of being happy.
(15:02):
And we don't have to doanything else.
We shouldn't do anything else.
We're not supposed to doanything else.
It's our duty to be happy.
I love that, gemma.
Keep going oh, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
so the second situation again, I did not list,
I did not do my inner healing,I did not consider that I had a
problem of attraction.
I knew nothing about all theuniversal laws.
I noticed a few things.
I noticed that when you putyour mind to something, that
something of attraction I knewnothing about all the universal
laws.
I noticed a few things.
I noticed that when you putyour mind to something, that
(15:35):
something happens.
I noticed that when you believesomething, a path appears and
that thing happens.
That I noticed.
But how true that was, I didn'tknow.
So I just continued and about ayear after that first complete
breakup, I meet another person,but this time I manifest that
(15:58):
person, but not in details.
I want a pianist, a virtuosopianist, because I'm also a
violinist, I'm also a musician,I'm also a songwriter, I play
the keyboard, I play all kindsof music, music is in my blood
and when you play the violin youreally have to be so advanced
in order to play alone, withoutanything around you, and just
(16:21):
really hold the space.
It's much bigger and betterwhen you have another musician
going with you and now youcreate something together and
ideally, ideally, a piano isgreat.
So I did put the intention.
Now I'm meeting a pianist, so Igo into online at the beginning
2003, go online to actuallymeet someone.
(16:41):
It was like you don't do that,yeah, I'm good.
So I'm really someone good.
Today it's like, yeah, no one,everybody does that right.
Meet someone good.
Today, it's like, yeah, no one,everybody does that right.
And I meet that person and hejust tells me in between the
lines well, I'm blind and I'mhere.
(17:06):
Yeah, it doesn't.
It truly does not unface me,because you are truly like
communicating with me on thecomputer, so you're truly not
handicapped.
Yeah, so I don't even know whatblind means truly In that case,
I mean, we are talking,everything is fine.
I got you on the phone,everything is fine.
Yeah, I'm blind and I care.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I truly not care yeah .
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And we meet and I find someone with those white
eyes that don't see.
So, oh, because it was true.
Oh gosh, I thought that youwere joking.
No, all right, but thatactually created another trap
for me.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
How so.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Because I made the commitment for some reason and
don't ask me why.
I don't remember.
Why to always be the wife ofsomeone who has a handicap?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
The first one mental handicap all over knee, back.
I mean he even went on awheelchair for some years, like
really, really handicapped insome ways.
The second one blind, butvirtuoso, but elite in sports.
An elite in sports.
So I'm highly amazed.
(18:24):
Again, amazing, completelyblinded by the last right, but I
did not check all the otherthings.
Am I?
What kind of point ofattraction do I manifest right
now?
What are the features of thementality of that person?
(18:47):
How do we fit?
What do I bring to a coupleright now?
I did not go through that kindof thought.
So the next blind was the rightone.
Somehow, I don't know how, butit happened.
But it did not work.
The relationship did not work.
(19:09):
I felt quickly, within thethird week I felt dumb in his
eyes.
Logically, if you are in loveand if you are creating a new
relationship, you must feelelevated, uplifted, empowered in
the eyes of your partner.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You don't feel like the little, like smaller, like
not.
You don't feel no.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And that is how I felt, from the get-go and having
to, of course, like sightseeinghim.
How do you say that?
Guiding him because he couldn'tsee?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And then learning at home some tricks that you would
not even imagine if you had notkept with the blind, such as a
door must be closed or openbecause if it is in between,
someone who does not see isgoing to go through.
Well, middle of the forehead isgoing to be in the face
somewhere right that kind ofthings you learn going to shit
in the face somewhere.
That kind of things you learnwhen you are in it.
(20:13):
You don't imagine that when youdon't know it.
So, again, I stick with itbecause of that belief.
We've had a few strong beliefsthat helped me strap in those
relationships.
All of that, I'm telling you,it's decades ago.
(20:33):
The end of one time five years,one time, ten years ended in
2013,.
12 years ago.
12 years ago, there is aspecial month the month of June
2013.
On June 1st, I meet Sasha.
The day I meet Sasha, somethingshifts regarding my gentleman
(21:00):
pen pal, because I feel such astrong bond with Sasha I don't
know how to name it, but I feela bond and I quickly drop out of
(21:20):
that fantasy world that we werewriting together with a
gentleman, and I even tell himwell, I think I met someone who
really corresponds to the kindof things we were writing.
I don't know, but I'm notavailable.
He's not available, so there isno new story there.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
On June 3rd, two days after we meet, the stronghold
which was the mother of Sashacommits suicide because she is
completely mentally crazy in theworst way, same kind of way
than my first husband.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And she decided to actually get back at him one
more time and to hopefully bestill alive in a wheelchair or
highly damaged.
She did not think she wouldactually die by jumping from the
seventh floor, but seventhfloor, that's it.
That's where it happened.
So that happens on June 3rd andon June.
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So Sasha calls me back, I getwith him, we go through that
entire day together and then Ireturn home.
However, I made a big, big, bigmistake, announcing that I was
helping my newfound brother ofanother lifetime, meaning Sasha,
deal with the suicide of hismother and because he has no
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family left, having told thatsentence to my blind ex-husband
left, having told that sentenceto my blind ex-husband, that was
.
That was the, the oil on thefire that increased the level of
abuse.
Something monumental.
Not physical this time,physical was before.
(23:05):
This time it was all mental,like entering, entering into my
psyche, taking over mydecision-making, making me stop
to think in ways that arecompletely crippling.
Yeah, mental abuse, emotionalabuse.
And he makes me not sleep atnight, not sleep during the day,
(23:27):
going to work, not sleep atnight again, not sleep during
the day.
It's impossible, that's awful.
And in that level of exhaustionhe makes me promise, swear,
that I will never contact Sashaagain.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Oh, wow, wow.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So I do that I will never contact Sasha again.
But the word really says I willnever contact Sasha again.
But the word really says I willnever contact Sasha again.
Well, if Sasha makes her firststep, that works.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
So that's exactly what happens If you whatever.
Sometime later, sasha contactsme, and Sasha is highly, highly,
highly perceptive.
He perceives before you tellhim things and he knew somehow
that if he would tell me how areyou doing, I would not even
(24:22):
answer or just go fine.
So he said why did you drop me?
Why did you abandon me?
I hurt so much, especially whenI felt such a strong bond with
him and I answered right away.
Contact was reestablished and Ipoured my despair on him.
(24:44):
Well, here is what is happening.
Here is what is going on.
I cannot continue that way.
Yeah, and he told me the keyanswer.
Well, take the first step outand then manage to get all the
strings attached and manage lifedifferently, but you have to
(25:05):
first leave.
Nobody can help you while youstay there.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Okay, and that day I did not go home, I went straight
to police to report domesticviolence.
It was an awful experiencebecause of all the level of
emotion and recognizing andseeing those days Sure, awful
experience.
And then I was even accompaniedby police to pick up my baby,
son and my stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So that I could go to a women's shelter with my baby
son.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Great.
But even there it failed againand I found myself back home as
if I never left oh wow, leavinga lot of details out there.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
This is not so important, and I found myself
back home as if I never left.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Oh wow, Leaving a lot of details out there.
This is not so important.
The importance is that I reallytried.
It did not work.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
So now I'm in, like I tried 50 times to leave and one
more time.
That seems to be the right one,still not.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
But I'm out of here.
I am not staying in domesticviolence one more day.
So I make an intention so clear.
Well, alive or dead, I'm gonewow okay.
Oh, that, that's super easy.
I'm living on the 10th floor.
It just worked for the servants, it will work for the 10.
(26:19):
So, yeah, that, yeah, thatworks Okay.
So what do I do?
Well, I open the window and I'mgone.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
And I did not see twice.
I had already opened the window.
I was almost.
I was on the edge when I hear adivine voice this is what you
read in my bio Divine Awakening.
I hear a divine voice thatmakes me feel again, feelings
loved, that I matter, that I'mimportant, and it is the most
(26:48):
beautiful, gorgeous sound ofvoice I ever heard.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And that voice tells me yeah, of course you can jump,
yeah, it's going to work, butI'm going to give you the same
life in worse.
Wow, okay, meet by the door,but tell me this is the only
time the door opens silent.
(27:15):
I remind you, a blind has rightgood ears, extremely good
perception of his surroundings.
He's like no, he's not blind atall, just perceives differently
.
The door opens silently,letting me go, and closed
silently.
I can run the 10th floorthrough the SOS stairs I don't
(27:38):
know how to say that and I amout.
I left.
And now what?
And this is where I left,without nobody, without anything
, without nothing that wouldclose on my back.
I mean, when you die, you don'tneed anything.
And I was not going to take mybaby with me not knowing where I
was going.
Not, not, if I knew where I wasgoing, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Where I was going, not Not.
If I knew where I was going,yeah, maybe Right when I was
going and potentially to death.
So no he will leave one way oranother.
Wow, so now I'm here talkingback to that voice.
That is another dimension.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Now what?
What do I do?
And the answer is the exactaddress location of Sasha.
Wow, and I'm like I can walkthere.
It's going to take a whilebecause I'm not going to drive,
not in that state.
And I don't have my car keysand I'm going to go back to get
them Anyway, so I'm going towalk two hours to his home.
Wow 1.30 am, middle of the night.
(28:39):
I'm a woman.
I 1.30 am, middle of the night.
I'm a woman, I'm alone, I'mfleeing domestic violence and I
walk to Sasha.
Sasha wakes up, finds me andasks me okay, what's going on?
And I say the last word.
He told me I took the firststep out and then manage Hi, wow
(28:59):
, don't know the next step.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But you took that step in faith, though you knew
you had to take the step.
Whatever comes afterwards, youhad to take that step and you
took that step.
And again, for the listeners,whatever that step is for you,
take that step.
Take it.
For one thing, it couldn't beworse.
It could not be worse than whatyou were going through and what
you were thinking about.
It can only be better.
(29:30):
Take the step, and it's funnyhow God will find a way for you,
as he did for you, and we callhim Sasha.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And Sasha helped me, brought me to the emergency
emergency room, got me in allthe safety mental health safety
facility, because I was reallyin india.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I was in for a moment in time right.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
So he put me in safety and kept on calling me
every single day on the phone.
How are you feeling?
Not how you're doing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what you'refeeling tune into how you feel
and tell, not how are you doing,yeah, yeah, yeah, how are you
feeling.
Tune into how you feel and tellme how you feel, a real
connection.
And some days I told him Idon't know, how is it that I'm
still alive.
And other days I told him I'mrelated, I'm so happy, grateful.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
A real answer.
And then, months and months andmonths and months, we fell in
love.
Later on we got married.
Later on we moved to the UnitedStates together from
Switzerland.
Another year later A lot ofthings happened.
But the beauty of it is thatwhen you have put an intention
(30:37):
but an intention, a path appears, Even if it seems there is no
path.
But your belief precedes yourintention.
What you believe to be true isbefore your intention.
So when I believed to be truethat outside was hell, my
(30:59):
intention was not to go to hell.
This is why, when I suddenlyreally made up my mind, I leave
alive or dead.
I am out, yeah, okay, so do youwant it?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
worse.
No, I want it better, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
So how is it going to be better?
Well, you have to actually stayalive and change your thought
and change your life and changeyour circumstances.
Go to Sasha.
He knows he will teach youSomething like that.
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I think it's important that everybody knows
and we've got to watch the clockhere.
I know we've got some steps wewant to talk about very quickly
and then also a new book to talkabout.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
But I think it's important to know that you have
the power.
A lot of times when you're inthese situations, you don't feel
like you do.
You feel powerless, especiallywhen people have been putting
you down and stepping on you andtelling you you're worthless
and feeling you're worthlessyourself.
You feel you have no power.
The truth is you do.
You have much more power withinyou than you possibly believe
(31:55):
that you have or that you couldeven possibly conceive that you
have.
You do have that power in youto change your life and a whole
lot of other lives.
You just got to seize thatpower.
Is that right, Gemma?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
It is absolutely accurate and correct.
Thank you for sharing that insuch a concise way.
Yes, you bet.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So what would you?
And we're not?
We, unfortunately, and I'llhave you back on a different one
and let's record on that one aswell.
But but what would you?
What advice would you have forthe people who are in whatever
situation they're in and don'tfeel like they can get out of,
don't know how, don't know ifthey want to, don't know if
(32:34):
they're worthy of it?
What advice would you have forthese people?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Imagine, because imagination is the one thing
nobody can get away from you.
Imagine, how good can that be,how better could that possibly
be?
What if you could be trulyhappy and fulfilled?
(33:03):
What if you could be trulyhappy and fulfilled?
What if the person of yourdreams, someone good that makes
you feel amazing, is waiting foryou to finally come out so that
you can meet?
How about that?
Just allow yourself to havethat seed planted in your mind
(33:26):
and let it grow.
Water reads on.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I love that and that is so powerful.
People don't, I think,understand the power within that
, because that vision you'vecreated can become a reality
within your mind, and then youcan manifest that reality, and
that's not, you know, woo-woostuff or anything like that.
It's the God's honest,scientific, psychological truth.
(33:50):
So, folks, do it.
Do it.
Before we close, though.
You've got a new book comingout that I really want you to
talk about.
Tell everybody about your newbook coming out.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yes, yes that I really want you to talk about.
Tell everybody about your newbook coming out, yes, yes.
So one thing I discovered afterI met Sacha and I learned so
much about life, about energyand about the universal law.
You all know the law ofattraction.
We all heard it's a secretright, but this is only one out
of 12.
What are the 11 other laws?
(34:22):
What if the reason why you tryto use the law of attraction and
you still don't get the thingthat you want is because you are
using only one law and not allof them?
How about that?
so I sat down and wrote anotherversion of the 12 universal,
eternal laws, but I made it fun,really fun and humorous, as
(34:47):
taught by your cats I absolutelylove cats Right on and show
that those universal laws apply,regardless if you know them or
not, regardless if you're awareof them or not, regardless if
you believe in them or not.
(35:08):
It is the way it is.
This is how things happen.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
So that is my new book.
I can't wait and do you haveany idea?
What is it?
August?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
2025.
Okay, fantastic.
And what I want to do is is assoon as it comes out, I want to
have you back on and so you cantalk about that book, and, of
course, I want a copy.
You know that's right.
Let me know where I can buy one.
That's fantastic.
So what's just some last minutepoint you'd love to make to the
audience listening in today?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'm going live on TikTok every single day from 5
to 7 am Pacific time, whichmeans 8 to 10 am Eastern time,
us United States time.
That is one thing, and I'm inthere every single day Right now
.
I have started in June 2025 todo that and it's such a fun
(36:02):
journey because I happen toconnect with real people, so it
expands together our ability tomanifest more, to heal together,
to support each other and torise up.
So if you want to join me, findme on TikTok.
It's just Gemma Serenity.
(36:23):
There is nothing, no point, no,nothing.
Just Gemma Serenity on TikTokand I will be glad to meet with
you.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I love that.
I love that.
And Gemma has so much going on.
You've got to look into her.
Fantastic stuff, fantasticcoaching, life-changing stuff.
But for the listeners for today, what I want to remind you is
just visualize it.
Imagine, use that imaginationyou used to use when you were a
kid.
Bring it back, man.
Imagine what life could be like, whatever the instance is that
(36:56):
you're talking about, andunderstand that you truly do
have the power within you tomake it like that.
You just got to take that firststep, and if you'll do it, then
you can write your own ComebackChronicle.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So that's it for today's episode of the Comeback
Chronicles.
Head on over to Apple Podcastsor wherever you listen, and
subscribe to the show.
If you're ready to get overyour fears, self-doubts and past
failures and break through yourcomfort zone to reach the
pinnacle of success in everyarea of your life, head over to
terrielfawesomecom to pick upyour free gifts and so much more
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