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Speaker 1 (00:03):
and it's kind of nuts out there.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
But let's just dive into a lot of things today
welcome to the consider podcast,where we examine today's wisdom
, folly and madness.
More information can be foundat wwwconsiderinfo.
Now here are your hosts,timothy and Jacob.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
How's it going, Jacob ?
It's going good.
A lot of crazy stuff going on,but I got a feeling we're going
to be able to say that in anincreasing measure every single
time before we start a podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Correct From here.
Well, not that it hasn't beencrazy, but it will only get
crazier.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That is true.
Birth pains will get closertogether.
So I thought we'd, amongst allthe chaos, settle one issue so
that the debate comes to an endand everybody can turn their
attention to other stuff.
What do you think?
Good idea Sounds good, allright, so we're going to answer
and deal with the whole question.
Did god create the heavens andthe earth in a 24 hour day over
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seven?
Well, actually the seventh dayhe rested, so there wasn't much
creation quote-unquote going on,because everybody likes to
debate that.
all the scientists like to saythe christians are crazy and
stupid because they believe in aliteral, literal seven days
which, of course, with all thewe talked about this earlier all
the physics and stuff going on,I it literally could be that,
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as it could be anything else.
Yeah, things are very strangein terms of quantum mechanics or
the way the universe, and youknow how many times, every
single day, when I'm arousingthe news out there, there's
always something on science,like we have to rethink our
history of where man came, or wehave to rethink the history of
the why and why this spacething's doing this over here.
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So if you really pay attention,scientists are more often
saying, oh, we're surprised andthis is something new and we
don't know.
Yeah, but that seems to getlost in this whole debate.
Um, we're going to go to ourold friend neil degrasse and
play his little comment about,you know, creation and that kind
of thing.
You know.
He reminds me of now, not thewhole scripture, but read, uh,
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second timothy 3, 7 there.
Jacob, tell me if that remindsyou of all these scientists,
these people going on alwayslearning but never being able to
acknowledge the truth remindsme of joe rogan, uh, neil
degrasse, people like that,where they're always kind of
learning something and that it'sa pleasure to learn new things,
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but unless it leads to actualanswers and really what I mean
by that is the answer, jesuschrist then well, you're just
spinning your wheels at best andkind of wasting time, all right
.
Before I answer the question,though, let's kind of set the
scene and the situation here.
You've got all this debate andit's continuing on with what
we're talking about here.
Go ahead and play this sectionof Acts, chapter 17, jacob, and
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let's listen to it and see howit fits today.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Acts 17, 16-21.
While Paul was waiting for themin Athens, he was greatly
distressed to see that the citywas full of idols.
So he reasoned in the synagoguewith the Jews and the
God-fearing Greeks, as well asin the marketplace, day by day,
with those who happened to bethere.
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A group of Epicurean and Stoicphilosophers began to dispute
with him.
Some of them asked what is thisbabbler trying to say?
Others remarked he seems to beadvocating foreign gods.
They said this because Paul waspreaching the good news about
Jesus and the resurrection.
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Then they took him and broughthim to a meeting of the
Areopagus, where they said tohim May we know what this new
teaching is that you arepresenting.
You are bringing some strangeideas to our ears and we want to
know what they mean.
All the Athenians and theforeigners who lived there spent
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their time doing nothing buttalking about and listening to
the latest ideas.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Does that sound like YouTube?
Yes, it does I mean we wentthrough all that, but it does.
All the Athenians and theforeigners who live there spent
their time doing nothing buttalking and listening to the
latest ideas.
Well, I think so many podcaststake off to be done and so many
podcasts that are out there.
Just think of all those peoplestopped listening to the podcast
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and actually went out andstarted doing some things for
the Lord.
It's interesting.
Go ahead and read Acts 17,verse 18 there, jacob, one more
time.
Let's just kind of pass throughthat before we answer Negress'
question about the 24-hour day.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
A group of Epikrian and Stoic philosophers began to
dispute with him.
Some of them asked what is thisbabbler trying to say?
Others remarked he seems to beadvocating foreign gods.
They said this because Paul waspreaching the good news about
Jesus and the resurrection.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We all kind of know this, but I think we get
surprised by it.
Paul's simply preaching thegood news of Jesus Christ and
they're calling him a babbler.
They can't understand what he'ssaying.
It's really weird, because youtalk about repentance, holiness,
self-discipline, thiscommandment here and they think
you're babbling.
Yeah, um, if it's in the churchthey'd be going.
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Oh, he's taking things out ofcontext.
Um, he's kind of he's a cultleader or he's a part of a call.
You started getting that.
Now I do like the fact they kindof slander him a little bit.
They call him a babbler.
Right, but look at least of thecharacter there's so much into
talking and debating there.
It's like they're insulting oh,you babbler, hey, come here and
talk to us.
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So all they do is spend theirtime talking day in and day out.
In fact, I think if we read onin this, I'm not a hundred
percent sure I'd have to reviewand look at scripture again, I
think.
I think it says he won a fewdisciples.
When you have a whole, wholelot of talk going on, it really
just sucks in.
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The whole commandment and anidea about you need to be
actually obedient to jesuschrist.
Anything else on that, jacob?
No, all right, let's play.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Go and play the neil degrasse video and let's listen
to his comment something like 40of american scientists will go
to church and pray to a personalGod, a God who would answer
their prayers.
And when you go to thosescientists including the head of
the National Institutes ofHealth, francis Collins yet he's
a productive, active scientist.
How do these sit together?
Because he's not saying theuniverse was created in six days
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.
He has embraced science, yethas kept the spirituality part
of what is in the religion.
And, by the way, he's not thefirst to do that.
Thomas Jefferson is perhaps themost famous person to have done
that.
He said the value of thisreligion is not in me believing
in miracles, it's believing andfollowing wisdom carried by an
important person in the historyof humans.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You catch all that.
Basically, Christianity is justa matter of some moral
principles out there and somebasic concepts.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Right, correct.
He's saying you know, it's justa spirituality, that religion
is separate from the rest ofyour life.
You can, you know you're ascientist, or you're this or
you're that, and then there'sreligion.
Is this other thing?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, and it's like you're looking at the moral
principle without looking at,and to the God, who's giving us
the morals and that kind ofthing?
Well, first of all, let's justclarify negros is wrong and all
those other scientists are wrongabout the 24-hour thing.
For some reason why, you tellme, jacob, we probably don't
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know why do they have it blockedin their mind that because
genesis says days, everythingwas created, that it's 24 hour
days.
Where did they get that?
Was that God give a pretexthere saying this is the
timeframe and measurements?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think a lot of people are assuming it's a 24
hour day because at some pointin there it says he creates like
the stars and he creates this.
So everyone's assuming thatlike time started at that moment
.
You know, I think that I thinkeveryone thinks time started, as
we know it, a 24 hour day assoon as he said, like, let there
be light.
I think that's what peopleassume.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Correct.
They assume that I don't knowwhy.
The question is did whoeverwrote the book of Genesis or any
of the people in the OldTestament think he was referring
to 24-hour day?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I don't know, Back then they didn't call it 24-hour
days.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, it would have been sunset, sunset to sunrise.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
But that was a day to them.
Did you ever see Fiddler on theRoof?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yes, so why would they assume that everybody back
there coming out of Egypt,writing the you know, Moses
writing the book of Genesis, whothey think wrote?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
it.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, he probably did.
Um, why would we think allthrough that time period from
Moses on?
Everybody assumed it was a 24hour day.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think they just assume that's how it's always
worked.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Maybe they didn't assume that.
Oh okay, let's go to 1 Peter or, I'm sorry, let's go to 2 Peter
, 3, verse 2.
Let's first listen to the wholescripture and kind of let that
soak in and if you're in God,let the Holy Spirit wash you
with that.
If you're a pagan scientisthaving to listen in to see what
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kind of this babbler is saying,let's listen to at least what it
is saying.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Go ahead, jacob 2 Peter 3 2-9.
I want you to recall the wordsspoken in the past by the holy
prophets and the command givenby our Lord and Savior through
your apostles.
First of all, you mustunderstand that in the last days
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, scoffers will come scoffingand, following their own evil
desires, they will say where isthis coming?
He promised Ever since ourfathers died.
Everything goes on as it hassince the beginning of creation.
But they deliberately forgetthat long ago, by God's word,
the heavens existed and theearth was formed out of water
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and by water, by these watersalso, the world of that time was
deluged and destroyed by thesame word.
The present heavens and earthare reserved for fire being kept
for the day of judgment anddestruction of ungodly men.
But do not forget this onething, dear friends With the
Lord, a day is like a thousandyears and a thousand years are
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like a day.
The Lord is not slow in keepinghis promise, as some understand
slowness.
He is patient with you, notwanting anyone to perish, but
everyone to come to repentance.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, the first part, we can see pretty clearly
there's scoffers everywhere,right.
And then what hasn't beendiscovered by scientists is that
the earth was formed out ofwater.
They seem to have this conceptthat it was formed out of fire,
but I'm not going to go intothat right now.
Now, 2 Peter 3, verse 5 saysbut they deliberately forget.
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So somehow, within theconscience of man and the way
God created man, they choose toforget what he's communicating,
and it's a deliberate act.
That's why you see the, thescientists, do they ever change
the argument about the 24 or 6days?
I mean, we've been going, thatdebate's been going on for
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hundreds of years.
Yes, at least nobody's answeredthe question, nobody's laid it
out.
Really, what's going on here?
But they, they just keepsticking to it.
I'm really getting to isthey're just deliberately
ignoring.
Just like when he said in thelast one you know he sees no
evidence for God.
How many, every atom, everyproton, every blade of grass
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requires him to deliberatelyforget that God made it?
Yeah, I mean, that's reallywhat's going on.
All right, that said, of course.
Second, peter 3, 5 says theydeliberately forgot, forget that
long ago by god's word.
So everything, something cameinto being out of nothing,
technically, yes, by god justsaying let it happen.
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Okay, the heavens in theexisted and the earth was formed
out of water and by water, bythese waters also, the world of
that time was deluged anddestroyed.
Of course he's talking aboutNoah.
So he's talking about atimeline here.
Right, you've got the creation,you've got Noah.
He's really pointing andtalking about, in a very
non-scientific way, the movementof what God is doing through
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time, correct, Correct.
Then look at what he says andyou go ahead and read that,
jacob.
Well, well, in fact, in secondpeter 3, 7, he talks about
what's to come.
So this really is a timelinetable.
Right, you got creation, flood,uh, the coming of the
antichrist, all these kind ofthings.
So he, it's kind of laid out apowerpoint, so to speak.
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That goes, you know, by thesame word the present heavens
and earth are reserved for firebeing kept for the day of
judgment and destruction ofungodly man.
Okay, that's what's coming.
So this is literally a timeline.
Right Now he gives a kind offootnote, what I call second
Peter, chapter three eight, ofwhat time looks like to God and
what now God's perspective.
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Go ahead and read verse eightthere.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Jacob.
But do not forget this onething, dear friends with the
Lord a a day is like a thousandyears and a thousand years are
like a day.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
All right, jacob.
How did Peter know that it'snot a 24-hour day?
Because isn't that what he—well, first, let's establish?
Is that what he's saying?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
He's establishing that our measurement of time is
not the same as the Lord'smeasurement of time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
That is correct.
With the Lord, a day is like athousand years.
So if God is inspiring Moses towrite the 10 commandments and
says on day one he did that,what would we assume?
This is God talking about hisday and what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yes.
So then you could say that ittook him 6 000 years to make the
earth, and then he actuallyrested for a thousand years well
, that's on a bare minimum.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It says like a thousand years, in other words
the, the scientists, let's justsay they might be correct about
the billions and billions ofyears, right well, but that's
very unlikely, okay, well, let'sjust assume the years all I'm
all I'm really getting at here.
I'm not trying to.
What I'm trying to get at hereis that the thousand years.
What he's really saying is nota literal thousand year he's
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telling he's, but he, the onlybut.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
He is giving people a reference, but, yes, he's not
saying the exact.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
This is how it is yeah, what I'm trying to dispel
here is that when you read ingenesis and it says on day one,
that doesn't mean a thousandyears, it's like a thousand.
Yeah, he could have ordered itif he wanted to and said, look
you, god cannot be confined towhat we consider time and
measurement.
It was like a thousand years.
In other words, you just don'thave.
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One second could be like athousand years to god.
Ten seconds could be tenthousand years to god.
He's out of the realm of.
His days are different than ourdays.
That's what he really saying.
Are you seeing what I'm saying?
Yeah, if not, come back at me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Well, no, I, I, I yes , oh yeah, I, I, I uh.
No, yeah, we're, we're justsaying, we're saying the same
thing, we think about it for aminute.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
If Genesis is written and it's all 24-hour days, if
Neil deGrasse is saying that,back then, even when Genesis was
written, when Moses was writingthat line, he was thinking oh,
that's a 24-hour day.
And then all through thethousand years, all the way up
to the New Testament, and we getall the way to Peter where he
says hey, look guys.
In fact he says, do not forget.
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In other words, it's easy toforget that God is outside time.
And when you read somethingthat says, okay, on day one God
did this, he goes.
Essentially he's saying don'tthink for a second.
That's a 24-hour day, that'sGod's timeframe, and so he looks
at things much different thanwe do.
All right, so all through that,you get where I'm going with
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this, all right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So how did Peter know ?
Inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's a.
That's a good answer and clear.
But I'll tell you what I think.
Neil deGrasse and all thesescientists are wrong that when
Moses wrote about the day, andall through the South years, the
Jews knew it was not a 24 hourday, sure the day, and all
through the south years the jewsknew it was not a 24-hour day,
sure?
they always kind of knew this.
Yeah, everybody knew that.
They knew.
If you kind of said, in thebeginning it wasn't like um
moses looked at his sake, awatch and said this is a 24-hour
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day, right, correct?
So I don't.
Moses didn't come down, say,hey, you guys, here's your copy
of genesis and all the jews arereading that and going, okay,
day one, oh, that was 24 hourseight to five day, and then we
go to the next day.
I think they understood veryclearly.
Just that's why Peter's sayinglook, just don't forget the fact
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that God's timeframe is like athousand years to God could be
one second or a millisecond orwhatever.
Again, we've talked aboutbefore I have the surfboard
theory, where time itself isbeing created, and so if you
think of the big bang, may ormay not be true, but let's just
say the big bang is true well,there was a bang when he spoke
it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean stuff.
You would think stuff went poof.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
well, it's hard.
Yeah, the evidence would pointto the fact god said let it be
created and there was thisexplosion and it was expanding
out.
Well, if you were riding asurfboard at the first of the
wave, time itself is beingcreated as the universe is
moving out, correct?
It's the same thing with theproton as you move faster, to
the speed of light, what happens?
Time slows down.
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So the man and the surfboardsay I was on the surfboard right
in the crust of the wave.
Time is moving slow.
So technically to me, if youwant to go there, it could be
for me a 24 hour day, becausetime itself is slowly ticking
and it's slowly moving forward,and so I could literally write
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and go yeah, in one day Godcreated the whole universe,
correct.
But behind that, since he'sstarting the creation, time is
beginning to take on.
I'm just going to have to sayit's relative time for what's
going on, because it's beenestablished, correct, mm-hmm.
So is that very, very feasible,that you could have a 24-hour
day?
And what Peter is saying hereat the same time?
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Oh, yeah, and what Peter issaying here at the same time.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
What I want us to realize is, neil deGrasse and
all you scientists out there, inno way, shape or form is
Genesis implying, other than, ifmy surfboard theory is true,
that it was a 24-hour day.
So give it up.
Let's start dealing with thereality of the proof of God that
you see around you, the needfor holiness and righteousness.
Let's take a look at your lifeand let us just slightly
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consider the fact that a God whocan create the universe as
magnificent as it is, you shouldbe a little afraid of what hell
is.
We can't even imagine that.
All right, go ahead and readverse nine there, jacob, because
again he's talking about God'stime in relationship to our time
.
I mean, before you read that,let me ask you a question.
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Does it seem like god takesforever to bring justice, yes,
or to answer prayer?
Sometimes you can just takeforever and you go.
Why is god delaying?
In fact, that that's usuallyone of the struggles of
disciples.
You know when jesus is talkingabout to peter what's happening
and what's going and where he'sgoing to go.
Peter turns and goes well, whenare you going to restore Israel
?
And Jesus has to say look,that's just not your business,
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don't worry about it.
It's within our human nature togo.
Why are you taking so long?
What are you doing?
Or even if something we'relooking forward to, it just
seems to take forever to getthere.
It's the nature of who we are.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, it's just the nature of humans to be impatient
about everything.
Really.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I like your bottom lines All right.
So Peter's timeline 2.
Peter 3, 9.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Go ahead and read that, jacob, the Lord is not
slow in keeping his promise.
As some understand slowness, heis patient with you, not
wanting anyone to perish, buteveryone to come to repentance.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
There is so much in this.
I mean he's talking about thecreation of the universe,
24-hour days, the judgment tocome, what will happen?
I mean, just think of the powerof what he's writing.
Here.
We're only talking like wouldthey be classified as paragraphs
?
Let's just say five paragraphs.
You've covered a lot of detailand I'm on here in a podcast
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trying to do it in 10 minutes.
Thanks, that shows you how weakI am.
All right, the Lord is not slowin keeping his promise, All the
promises about justice andrighteousness and working
holiness in our lives, ordealing with the people you know
who they are who came after usto destroy us because of their
sin.
God is not slow in keeping apromise to deal with them.
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He will do so.
He's just pausing here for amoment and whatever that pause
means to God, he's going topause and wait.
He wants them all to repent andonce they pass that timeline or
that point where, well,nobody's going to repent, God's
just going to start taking careof them.
Anything else before we kind ofmove on there.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Jacob.
Oh, only to wrap that up, youknow the end goal of all of this
, even Paul outlining all ofthis wisdom, the absolute end
goal is for everyone to come torepentance.
So you know, even you mentionedit earlier.
But whether it's Neil deGrasseor all these other Christians
like you can argue, and even weI mean we're not claiming to
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understand all this but at theend, if you're not repenting,
then it's all for nothing.
You are wasting time.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Amen, amen, jacob.
All right, let's switch topicshere.
Jacob.
All right, let's switch topicshere.
Uh, this is jamie pedersen.
I think he's a democrat inwashington state and, if people
haven't figured out, washingtonstate is a complete and total
mess.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Oh, I think it's peterson.
I think this is jamie peterson,but I'm guessing I'm probably
pronouncing wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
As you can tell, I'm very poor with name peter.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I think they just pronounce it.
Oh, it's, it's almost, and nota T like Peter, but Pede
Peterson.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Oh, okay, I think it's Peterson.
No, it's me that'smispronouncing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Oh, I'm actually not claiming to have it right.
Well, that works I think I'veheard the name before.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I like the word weasel.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Oh yeah, that works too.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Because clip and then I'm going to play it again for
people.
Let's do and consider what thisunrepentant fool is saying kids
over 13 have the complete rightto make their own decisions
about their mental health care.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Parents don't have a right to have notice.
They don't have a right to haveconsent about that.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
That takes your breath away.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yes, that is a pretty wild thing that they're doing.
Number one all the science willtell you that 13-year-old male
or female are not qualified tomake a decision about anything
in their life Correct Periodthey're not fully developed.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Their brains aren't developed Correct, they're not
developed.
And that's just science.
Yeah, this is the worldlyearthly.
Even Neil deGrasse is going toagree that a 13-year-old's brain
is not developed Correct, Notfully developed.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Actually.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
They're a child.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I had a research paper done on this whole topic.
Some scientists look at it.
So this is an absolute fact,that when you talk about a
teenager's mind being mush,that's a reality because it's
being formed and then thehormones are just starting to
flow.
And this guy I'm sure he'sblind and he believes what he's
saying but the destruction he issetting into motion.
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You're literally telling 13year olds that parents are
nothing, that you're an adult,you can do whatever you want.
You can't vote.
Now I realize you can get anabortion, get birth control.
They are little.
We were accused of separatingchildren from parents, which is
an absolute lie, right?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Correct, but the state of Washington is doing it
a mass kind of thing, a mass.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Play it one more time and people need to listen to
what really.
This is deadly, foundationaldestruction of your family,
destruction of your family.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Kids over 13 have the complete right to make their
own decisions about their mentalhealth care.
Parents don't have a right tohave notice.
They don't have a right to haveconsent about that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
First of all, where did he get to state the fact I
mean, he's acting like this is afact?
Was there some scientific uh nopaper examines and said no, 13
year olds, they mentally knowfirst of all if they've got
mental problems.
that would imply that you're notmentally fit to make a decision
about your mentally problemcorrect it's kind of like I I
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love that you go into the doctor, whatever right, and they want
to judge your mental state andthey're decent questions.
I'm not kind of making fun ofthat, but the point is ago, have
you had suicidal thoughts?
Have you had this?
Do you hear voices?
Well, if I can check, yes tothose things, it's you know what
I'm saying?
yeah, um, I don't know whatyou're quite proving there.
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It's kind of obvious.
But I I understand why they doit.
He's just doing the same man.
Think about that Every13-year-old.
It's already bad enough.
You can't discipline yourchildren, you can't talk to them
, and yet the state ofWashington will hold you
responsible if the child doessomething bad.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
And just so you know, this bill, a lot of this, all
that thing which, by the way,did pass and in the in the news
headline we saw they're tryingto gut, they passed it a lot of
it has to do with this transstuff too.
Uh, the, the underlining toe,you are correct, of course, but
their real thing is theyliterally want kids in school to
be like I want to, and thenthis law, they can give them the
hormones, the medications, theycan do the surgeries, they can
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do whatever they want withouttelling the parents.
The bill strips away a lot ofother rights, but specifically,
he's gay.
That dude is gay.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
The other second in command there in the Washington
State Legislature.
She's a lesbian, and thenthey're going for the children
and it's child abuse.
Yes, oh, this is full on.
Yeah, this is nasty.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You're luring children.
Yeah, Just think about what youjust said.
If they have mental problems,you're taking advantage of them
to bring in all of this transstuff or just whatever drugs or
whatever I mean the trans stuffis bad enough, but even if they
don't kind of go there, you'vejust destroyed that person.
Granted, you probably made him aDemocrat for life, but you've
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destroyed them completely andthe family and the whole
structure and everything else.
Very, very wicked stuff.
And yet the state of Washingtonwill think they can come in and
figure out what a good familyand a bad family is.
This is their idea of a goodfamily.
So everybody else that wouldhave morals, self-discipline,
you know?
Uh, not let the hormones pass,get your mind or associated here
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, think correctly over here,deal with this here, or how
about just go mow the yard andit'll eventually go away, kind
of routine.
I mean that's all.
Just just you could havescience.
Science says if you'redepressed or whatever, get out
and go for a walk, do something.
Get out there and do that, yeah.
But since you can't make yourkids do anything, actually live
a good life anymore, well, what?
What you're really seeing inthe state of washington is god
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bringing judgment into the stateof washington.
That's what's really going onand that's why, when, as as we
demand justice and as we look atthings, the odds are it's not
going to change, I mean it could.
God could just come in and justmiraculously do some things.
But the state of Washington isunder judgment and everybody is
suffering because of it, andeven the people that are voting
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for these people.
They're getting worse and worseoff because they keep getting
worse and worse, and so thelevel just keeps going lower and
lower and you go why?
None of this is making anysense.
It's kind of like the budgetthing Billions of dollars in
debt, and so then you tax more.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Or what was you were telling me the other day oh, I
know that Washington state wassuing Trump about the terrorists
, but at the same time, they'repassing more taxes within the
state of Washington.
Yes, and the rationale was well, trump will hurt the working
person and all your taxes in thestate of Washington are not
going to hurt the working person?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Of course it will.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Of course it will.
Yeah, but they don't care aboutthat particular fact.
So that's really not the issue.
They're lying when they go tothe federal court, not the issue
.
Uh, they're lying when they goto the federal court.
Yeah, we're worried about it.
No, they want the power and thecontrol to use money for social
services, to destroy yourfamily, which makes them, the
people in your family and 13year olds, all products of the
state.
It's via.
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It really is a luring.
What do you?
What do you call grooming?
Bringing people in?
This is vile stuff.
Grooming, bringing people inthis is vile stuff.
All right, let's listen toIsaiah, chapter 3, starting
verse 4, because God promisesthat a nation that turns its
back on him or does not evenacknowledge him, and this
particular scripture is going tosay they do not acknowledge me.
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I mean, it's like God is sayingokay, you don't have to believe
in me, you don't even have tobe obedient to me, you don't
have to do all these things, butyou won't even acknowledge that
I exist.
And that's certainly not.
Only is the state of Washingtonrefusing to acknowledge that
there is a God with requirementsand judgment, they are
prosecuting for a fact in KingCounty, washington, those who
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actually do good things andfollow Jesus Christ.
Good Isaiah, chapter three,verse four Jacob.
Let's play and listen to it,and we'll discuss it a little
bit.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Isaiah 3.4-9.
The honourable A man will seizeone of his brothers at his
father's home and say you have acloak, you be our leader, take
charge of this heap of ruins.
But in that day he will cry outI have no remedy.
I have no food or clothing inmy house.
Do not make me the leader ofthe people.
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Jerusalem staggers Judah isfalling.
The leader of the people,jerusalem staggers Judah is
falling.
Their words and deeds areagainst the Lord, defying his
glorious presence.
The look on their facestestifies against them.
They parade their sin likeSodom.
They do not hide it.
Woe to them.
They have brought disaster uponthemselves.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Anything, Jacob, that is not relevant to the state of
Washington.
No very relevant Verse 4 ofIsaiah 3, I will make boys their
officials.
You come along and you say13-year-olds are essentially
adults, more than adults.
They have the power and theauthority of adults, correct,
correct?
What's it going to keepeventually, as the slide goes
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down?
Well, 13-year-olds should beable to run for office.
I will make boys theirofficials.
Mere children will govern them.
This is one child, meaning thatrepresentative now talking to
another child.
Nobody's matured up at all.
So you really have childrenupon children.
When I look at Governor Fergusonand all these people and King
County prosecutors and all thisstuff, man, they behave like
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children.
It's like logic.
Children don't respond to logic.
They respond totallyemotionally.
Now, as they grow up, they'reable to take that wording and
can use it against you becausethey're learning.
But it's all tied to what?
Their emotion.
So you can see why thisrepresentative wants
13-year-olds to vote for him,because to him that's a comrade.
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They said oh yeah, we just walkby emotion.
There's no logic here and noreason.
I don't want to keep harping onKing County prosecutors, but
clearly, logic evidence theythrew all that out.
It just didn't mean anything,correct, correct?
Isaiah chapter 3, 3, 8, saysjerusalem staggers.
We're seeing this staggeringprocess going on.
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You kind of watch, uh,washington state, don't they?
Just one thing, you know.
You think, oh, that's over with.
No, they stagger into the nextthing, they stagger the next
thing.
It's like man, you just keepfalling down and everything that
you do Am I right or wrong onthat?
Oh, you're right.
Judah is falling.
Their words and deeds areagainst the Lord.
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If anybody thinks that's nottrue, go back and listen to the
last podcast, when we did aprosecutor Bible study defying
his glorious presence.
It wasn't just going after.
They were defying the livingGod, they were defying all that
was good and holy.
In isaiah, chapter 3, verse 9,it goes on to say the look on
their faces testifies againstthem.
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I remember mark larson and Iforget who the other picture was
.
They were in the paper and theyhad the exact same look on
their face.
It was this chin up, hottietype thing.
It's on the website there.
Um, their whole demeanor, theiractions, their behavior, their
words, the looks on their facesand again at this point I'm
talking about King Countyprosecutors testifies against
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them.
The pride is just written allover their face.
Now that can be also stretchedto Washington state, as you
watch Ferguson do his thing andother people do stuff.
But I'm just saying this stuffis real, it is today and the
church needs to pay attention towhat's going, because they're
literally they're not payingattention just how bad it is.
Now you heard about the sing andpraise-a-thon that was in
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seattle that there was a bigkind of a little ruckus, a
little bit, I heard of it I mean, I appreciate what they're
doing out there, but they needto get much more sober about
really what's going on, becausepart of the deception is right
now.
What's the name of the FBIdirector?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I always mispronounce it.
That's why I'm hesitating, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
There's the Indian dude, who's number one?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, I'm talking about number two.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, number two.
I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
They're looking into the riot that happened in
Seattle and the whole thing thatwent on there.
And he's correct when he'ssaying I mean, for what the guys
are doing getting done, they'reexactly correct.
He goes look, freedom ofreligion is not an option, kind
of thing.
Now, this is Judge Lori K Smithwho, in the Just on just one,
two, three sentences oh no, thestate of Washington's freedom of
religion does not apply in thiscase.
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I don't know where she even gotthe power and the authority to
just, at any point in time, gooh, that part of the
Constitution is null and void.
You'd think there'd be sometype of review process, because
that's way too much power,especially for woman of the year
.
Twice over.
Judge Laurie K Smith.
Correct, correct.
Look on their faces, testifyagainst them.
They parade their sin likeSodom, kind of obvious, right.
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I mean, you've got to crosswalkdowntown somewhere that's
painted like a rainbow and ifyou deface it or do whatever, I
think it's a federal crime.
I think it's like 10 years.
Look, I don't know why this has.
This should have been shut downby the Washington State Supreme
Court and by other things.
But first of all, if you've gotsomething that that's you hold
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in reverence.
You don't make a crosswalk outof it, correct?
Don't all the other statues ofSouthern generals or whatever?
Aren't they behind kind of afence and lifted up and beyond
that?
You don't do it as a crosswalk.
That's an undue burden onanybody and a temptation for
kids to come along and ridetheir bicycle and make some
scratch marks.
Right now they're felons.
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I mean this.
This stuff is nuts.
Um, it's idolatry.
That's so far out there.
Anyway, god sums it up by sayingwoe to them.
They have brought disaster uponthemselves.
Ah, we know the state ofWashington is not going to care,
anything that I just said, butit's the church that's not
paying attention.
They're being deceived by thegood, and I say it's good that
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Trump and the DOJ and thesepeople are doing, because it's
going to be very, very temporary.
In fact, if you dig behind alittle bit and we've talked
about this, right, jacob, yeah,nothing is being done to ensure
our rights.
People need to note that really.
Well.
Now I know they think I'm kindof off cake because they're
(36:27):
going.
Well, wait a minute.
They're coming in sayingchristians have a right to be
christians, right?
Well, that's not what I'mtalking about.
That's like a, that's like aband-aid argument.
It's good to do, but it's notgoing to solve anything.
Um, because all that's going tohappen is washington state
officials are going to wait tilltrump's not in power, that
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they're just going to whatever.
So so the fba comes in, looksand do you really think any of
those protesters are going tohave a hate crime charged
against them, the ones thatcaused the trouble?
No, there'll be thisinvestigation.
This will.
There'll be this roostercrowing kind of thing.
It'll be the federal governmentsaying you shouldn't do this.
But are they going to go arrestDetective Grant McCall?
No, are they going to go arrestthe co-conspirator who went
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this?
Are they going to go out thereand arrest the judge and
prosecutors that intentionallyviolated our rights because we
are Christians?
Are they going to do any ofthat?
Rights because we arechristians?
Are they going to do any ofthat?
No, no, of course not.
That's not going to happen.
So what is happening that thechurch needs to understand is
trump is coming in doing law andorder.
So we have an el salvadorprison.
We think that's all good, andwe're bringing in more policemen
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, and we think that's all good.
Beefing up the military,cleaning up the mid-tower,
making it stronger good point.
So there's this sense.
Oh, we're tightening up themid-cellar, making it stronger
Good point.
So there's this sense.
Oh, we're tightening up theborder, you know, we're sending
IRSA just down there that useguns to, I think, or there was
talk of it down at the border tosecure everything.
So even the word secure right,it gives us impression that
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things are becoming more secure.
Well, they're not, and thesewould be chosen in other cells.
What is in the in and ofthemselves, clearly need to slow
down.
All right, go ahead and playthis warning by james comey.
We all know who he is right,yeah, he was the fbi director
(38:18):
under biden and let's just saythings weren't going well for
truth and justice.
Go ahead and read what hiswarning is, and this is a pretty
current statement.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Well, these are the people who, through decades and
decades, have seen every kind ofcase, and so they're there to
make sure that the work nomatter who's in charge in the
White House, no matter who theattorney general is that the
work is done consistently withprevious practice and consistent
with the law.
I know Republicans these daysaren't big in thinking about
principle or precedent.
They're going to be deeplysorry that that disappears,
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because someday there will be aDemocratic president and
there'll be investigations ofRepublican officeholders.
Day there'll be a democraticpresident and there'll be
investigations of republicanoffice holders.
If I'm them, I sure would wantthese career people in place
making sure that it's done inthe right way all right, jacob,
any initial thoughts on that one?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
no, what is happening is because you're not having
any real statutes of changes bytrump, in other words, all
executive orders.
There's this false foundationeverybody thinks they're
becoming more secure, when it'snot.
What happening is the prisonsare becoming more like prison.
The laws are becoming eventighter, their government's
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coming in with more and morecontrol buried with behind all
this, because what's nothappening is trump's not coming
in and saying, oh, the policehave too much power, let's
scroll that back.
The, the prosecutors are waybeyond and they're abusing the
law, so let's bring that back.
We've got some pretty unjustlaws about being falsely accused
(39:55):
.
That's not being scaled back.
He's not doing any of thosethings.
Is he that the part of it he'soverwhelmed with the corruption
that's going on scaled back?
He's not doing any of thosethings.
Is he that the part of it?
He's overwhelmed with thecorruption that's going on?
You're trying to pass bills,you're trying to get on, but
there's this knee-jerk reactionnow, because the democrats came
in and you had this lawlessnessgoing on and this destruction
happening.
Now the law and order.
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People come in and go.
Well, we want law and order, wewant tighter laws, we want
people arrested, we want peoplejust thrown out.
We want to just ignore any dueprocess and just take immigrants
and throw them out.
And I know what the problem is.
We talked about this the otherday.
The due process right now wouldtake forever.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
They said it would take like I don't know, it's
like 17 years or it's a lot ofyears.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Right, it's the very foundation of the laws that have
to be changed.
So when I'm saying these things, when I say due process, there
needs to be a check and abalance.
It can move fast, but it has tobe a check and a balance.
That's not there.
Or laws that come in and saythe police can no longer trick
you out of your rights, or if weshow up in a house and we
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demolish it, that we have to fixit.
You could come in with allthese foundational laws that
secure the rights of individuals, like you have a right to
privacy, you have a right tothis.
Or you have a right to beforgotten by Google.
You have all of these thingsthat go on.
None of that is taking place.
No, right now, the big billthat's being passed.
There's a great deal of moneyand effort going into catching
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up with the AI computer.
You know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, we have to beat China,and I'm giving an American
standpoint.
We have to beat China becauseif China wins the AI, they win
the whole world.
Of course, we talked about thisyesterday.
All right, even if China winsthe AI, they don't win the world
.
Ai wins china.
Correct that?
(41:43):
It's suicide to continue onwith the ai.
So, granted, it's not a prettypicture.
The book of revelation reallytalks about the mark of the
beast.
We can get it all that.
What we're really getting to isthe fact, within this big bill,
again, that trump has going on.
There's a one line statementthat says, for the next 10 years
, the States, across the UnitedStates, cannot have any rules in
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place or any comments in placethat would slow down the
creation of AI or bring in anyunder any scrutiny.
That makes sense.
Yeah, in other words, for thenext 10 years, they're going to
develop AI at all speed possible.
Well, there goes all privacy,there goes all rights to
(42:27):
everything else, and it's quiteum, what am I sobering to?
If you go out there and listento what AI is able to do, it's
getting down.
They can read they.
I can read your thoughts.
Um, listen to what ai is ableto do, that it's getting down,
they can read.
Ai can read your thoughts.
Um, so you, literally you knowwe were talking about the jsa
you could be sitting in yourliving room.
There'll be enough satellitesout there.
(42:47):
They're, they're seeing intoyour living room, when the
supreme court should have ruledthat 50 feet above at least
you're stealing of your propertyline is.
You have privacy, but all ofthat's being destroyed.
So, behind the scenes those ofus that are Christian disciples
you really need to listen.
Trump and whatever he's workingis going to collapse, and what
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will be left in place is evenmore powers for people like
Comey to come in and arrest youand put you somewhere.
Just think if the El Salvadorprison or wherever that's at
down there, was in place duringthe J6 riot.
They would have flown thosepeople.
They already did the mosthorrendous things.
They would still be down in ElSalvador and you would never get
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to them.
There'd be way too many laws.
It's out of the country.
So you see what Trump is settingdown, intentionally or
unintentionally, it doesn'treally matter.
The point is God's plan andwhat's happening is going to
come forward.
Really matter, though, thepoint is god's plan and what's
happening is going to comeforward, and one of his plans
right now is to deceive thosepeople in the church that will
not honor god's word, and sothey think trump and all this
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make it america great again issomehow a positive movement from
god.
Right, any comments or anything?
I kind of went a littlelong-winded on that, no, all
right.
Well, now let's shift toanother democrat, david hogg.
Go ahead and play this jacob,and this is what being a
democrat is all about right now.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
What I think happened last election is younger men.
They would rather vote forsomebody who feels, who, even if
they don't completely agreewith they, don't feel judged by
then somebody who they do agreewith, that they feel like they
have to walk on eggshells aroundconstantly because they're
going to be judged or ostracizedor excommunicated.
And what's interesting aboutthis moment is it feels like the
two parties in some senses haveflipped where, you know,
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republicans used to be thejudgmental assholes in many ways
, and since many Democratsdespite us, I would say, for
most of us coming from the rightplace of wanting to do the
right thing we've created aculture where we say, well, if
you say the wrong thing, you'reexcommunicated, and that's just
not how human beings work.
Nobody is perfect, butultimately, what we have to do
here is figure out how to bringpeople back in and work towards
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the bigger goal of advancing thefuture of this country and
helping young people especiallyget by, so that they're able to
focus on their lives and, youknow, getting with a young woman
or something like that insteadof how are they going to pay
their rent, for example, or howare they working their two jobs,
young people should be able tofocus on what young people
should be focused on, which ishow to get laid and how to go
and have fun all right jacob,All right Jacob Any thoughts no
(45:29):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
What's the most shocking aspect of that video?
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Well, the thing before the line at the end.
All he's really saying is we,as democrats, need to be better
at lying, because we've been toohonest and people don't like it
that analysis is true.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
But let me rephrase the question what part of the
his statement is the mostcorruption, the greatest like?
Just takeaway of like what?
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Well, at the end, of course, you know, young people
should just be focused ongetting laid and having fun.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Correct, actually that's number two, okay, and
number one is everybody clappedoh, yeah, sure, that's the most
shocking thing Like can you,okay, can you?
I've never as a pastor orleader if I said, yeah, young
people in this church need to beable to concentrate on what's
really important, not two jobs,not working, not being
(46:31):
responsible, but the woman thatthey can get laid.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well, obviously that wouldn't fly if it was a pastor
saying that.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well, but Grant, I hear that.
Well, but grant, I hear that,but I would be arrested,
ostracized.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, oh you, would be labeled as, like a yeah like
a pervert well, that's alsobecause you're saying you're a
pastor.
I think that would be part ofit yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
What you're saying is not wrong.
I I'm just Because these areworldly people.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
So these are the.
You know, bill Maher is acompletely worldly dude.
He doesn't believe in God atall.
That means the entire crowd istotal, you know?
Oh, I agree Because there's noway.
There's like, well, there couldbe people who say they're
Christians in the crowd clapping.
But no, this is Bill Maher is avery secular show.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Oh, correct, you're taking this, that statement, far
deeper than I actually meant.
I just meant they'd come in andprosecute me, take me down, put
me in jail, you'd be evil.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
You're very, very evil yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I mean granted under freedom of speech, a pastor has
the right to say that, as hedoes, to say that, but which one
is actually hauled off andprosecuted?
It's a superficial question.
I'm just meaning literally king, county prosecutors, and it
would just go ballistic, correct, if that's all I'm really
saying.
If that kind of statement wasmade, or if I even got close to
that, they'd have made hay ofthat like evil, vile, wicked.
(47:51):
But if a democrat says that onnational tv as a political
platform and his ideology oflife, everybody claps.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, everybody, yeah , applauds it.
You were right in everythingyou said.
And standing Bill Maher standsfor him too.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
And he calls him the next president, or president for
him.
Yeah, next president.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, we should vote for this guy.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
That was my point.
It was just like wow, this isjust so far out there, all right
.
Here's the problem.
He's right that this is howDemocrats think.
He's not right in what he says,because life is not made up of
figuring out who you can go havesex with.
That's, that's not what life isabout.
(48:34):
Life is about working.
Life is about providing.
Life is about taking onresponsibility.
Life is about being anindependent person, not
dependent upon the state, northe state coming in and crushing
the independence of anindividual.
Am I not correct?
You are correct.
So he flipped this whole thingaround, saying the only thing
(48:55):
that I should ever, or theyshould ever, have to worry about
is getting late.
Isn't that what he said?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
And you've got people clapping and voting for this.
You can't reason with peoplelike this, because there's only
one thing that matters whatevertheir flesh can get.
Yes, he's also, and let's goback and play, because it kind
of got lost in our discussionhere.
Notice the first part that he.
What he's really worried about,or bothered or agitated, is
that they were being judged byother people being looked on
(49:24):
down.
What he's really worried about,or bothered or agitated, is
that they were being judged byother people being looked on
down.
What he's really saying is wewant to go around and sleep, be
in all this sensuality, whoeverwe want to sleep with, whether
it's a woman, whatever is goingon.
I mean 13-year-old, you candecide whatever to do, right.
We want to have all thissensuality going on and nobody
at the same time condemning usor looking down on us because of
that.
That's what he's saying,correct?
(49:46):
Um, you play it before you openyour mouth.
Okay, go ahead and play itright now.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
What I think happened last election is younger men.
They would rather vote forsomebody who feels, who, even if
they don't completely agreewith they, don't feel judged by
then somebody who they do agreewith that they feel like they
have to walk on eggshells aroundconstantly because they're
going to be judged or ostracizedor excommunicated.
And what's interesting aboutthis moment is it feels like the
two parties in some senses haveflipped.
Okay, stop, see what.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I'm saying yeah, yeah .
So yes, he's literally sayingthat people don't want to be
judged.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Correct, yeah, Then we can tell the state of
Washington, their passing laws,that we we have to actually
applaud the sexual morality, thegay and lesbian stuff or the
trans stuff.
They're not content with usjust to remain silent.
You have to affirm that's whatyou want or you're denied all
kinds of things.
Correct, Correct.
If not, it's getting there very, very fast.
(50:36):
Technically it is.
If you send your kid to publicschool, you have to affirm those
things.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Try wearing a t-shirt that says there are only two
genders and see what happens.
Yeah, yeah, so he doesn't wantto feel judged.
That's what he's saying everyyeah, he's agreeing, but yeah,
that that other people don'twant to be judged.
Well, because and he's evenreferencing these, these people
that didn't vote for thedemocrats because the democrats
were judging them, because, yes,yes, the Democrat is judging.
If you don't go along with ourtrans, weird, nasty agenda, we
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will judge you.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Okay, that's an interesting take.
See, now, I was thinking he wastalking about the Republicans.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
No, because he even says in there that the
Republican Party used to be theparty that did all the judging.
No, no, okay, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, okay.
So that's my point.
He is saying the RepublicanParty did all the judging and
he's saying that switched.
I get that, yeah.
But what I'm honing in on isthat the reason why he is so
opposed to the Republicans?
He's not talking about policyhere.
He's talking about looking downon being judged right, yes,
okay.
Play it Right, yes, ok.
Play it again up to that point.
So make sure that that's a veryimportant point that we're
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going to look at here in just amoment no-transcript.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
And since many Democrats, despite us.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
So the first party he's talking about, the
Republicans are this, but nowit's turned into the Democrats.
That are this correct?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, he's talking about the group of people.
He's talking about the groupwhy Donald Trump won the group
of people.
He's talking about the groupwhy Donald Trump won the group
of people that didn't vote forKamala, who they thought were
going to vote for Kamala, butthey voted for Trump because the
Kamala liberal Democrats arejudging them.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You're going deep today.
This is a very simple questionand I'm not going to.
All I'm saying is that he'sstating that the Republicans
were the judgmental looking downon that.
As long as Republicans werearound before this election,
everybody had to walk oneggshells because they were
being judged.
Yes, he said that.
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Ok, isn't that the main up tothat point?
Is that the main thing?
He's saying yes, all right, goahead and play this next
scripture, because what we'regoing to see here is that this
is the nature of sensuality,this is the nature of the trans
stuff that the angels of theLord come to Sodom and they're
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upset that they're being judged.
So it's part of that.
I'm just showing how bad thatit's going to get.
Go ahead and play judges, um,or I mean genesis, chapter 10,
verse 5, there, jacob genesis,chapter 19, verses 5 through 11.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
they called to lot where are the men who came to
you tonight?
Bring them out to us so that wecan have sex with them.
Lot went outside to meet themand shut the door behind him and
said no, my friends, don't dothis wicked thing.
Look, I have two daughters whohave never slept with a man.
Let me bring them out to youand you can do what you like
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with them, but don't do anythingto these men, for they have
come under the protection of myroof.
Get out of our way.
They replied and they said thisfellow came here as an alien
and now he wants to play thejudge.
We'll treat you worse than them.
They kept bringing pressure onLot and moved forward to break
down the door, but the meninside reached out and pulled
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Lot back into the house and shutthe door.
Then they struck the men whowere at the door of the house,
young and old, with blindness,so that they could not find the
door.
Genesis 19, 5-11.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
When you look at the state of Washington, aren't they
becoming the officials, moreand more blind to any type of
solution?
It's because God is judgingWashington state and it's only
going to get worse.
Now what I want us to read goahead and read Genesis 19, 9,
jacob, and look at why they'resurrounding the house and what
they.
Of course they want to have sexwith the men and that kind of
(55:01):
thing, but what's?
There's a driving force beyondjust sensuality, like hey,
there's some new people in townwe want to have sex with.
What are they wanting to forceupon these new men?
And go ahead and read it.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
Get out of our way.
They replied and they said thisfellow came here as an alien
and now he wants to play.
The judge will treat you worsethan them.
They kept bringing pressure onlot and move forward to break
down the door so they're wantingto come in, have sex force
their way upon them.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
This is the nature of what the church better be
preparing for.
We are literally beingsurrounded, coming in more and
more, and you're talking brutebeasts.
They're not going to think,they're not going to accept
anything.
You follow what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, they don't want to be judged.
It's not just sex, I mean, theywant to rape these dudes,
correct.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
You know what I mean.
That's even different.
You know what I mean.
Yes, oh no, you're correct.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's.
I mean, they just power play.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, we're just, we're going to rape you.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Ooh.
So what do you see in the stateof Washington, this power play?
You know, the Supreme court iscommitting a right rape all the
time, Removing I mean, if you'vegot a judge, you can go oh, we
just throw out freedom ofreligion and in the process of
doing that, you're only creatinga prosecution, persecution, a
hostility toward doing thenbecause it's a Christian kind of
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thing.
You're looking at the same darkmentality here of where
sensuality replaces any type ofreasoning, and then what is left
is this viciousness that sayswe don't even want to be judged
for our sensuality and if wethink you're judging us, we're
going to power you over.
With, however, means we can dothat we're going to treat you
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bad, Treat you worse too.
Correct?
Yeah, we don't have time to lookat today, but clearly a lot was
affected by living in Sodom andGomorrah and that's part of the
problem.
The prayer would be the churchin Washington State would wake
up.
But they're not.
They're slowly being pulled inby being in Sodom and it's very
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easy to be overcome by thatstuff, even if you think you're
not Just the quietness, and allthat kind of stuff.
So watch out after Trump'sreforms and his power play goes
away, because I guarantee youthey will not give it up a
second time and there will be asurrendering that comes in.
Anything else, Jacob, you wantto say Take us out of here?
Speaker 2 (57:32):
Nothing on the Consider podcast should be
considered legal or life advice.
Each is admonished to seek aholy God and obey by picking up
a cross to follow Jesus.
The Consider Podcast.
and it's kind of nuts out there.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
But let's just dive into a lot of things today
welcome to the consider podcast,where we examine today's wisdom
, folly and madness.
More information can be foundat wwwconsiderinfo.
Now here are your hosts,timothy and Jacob.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
How's it going, Jacob ?
It's going good.
A lot of crazy stuff going on,but I got a feeling we're going
to be able to say that in anincreasing measure every single
time before we start a podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Correct From here.
Well, not that it hasn't beencrazy, but it will only get
crazier.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That is true.
Birth pains will get closertogether.
So I thought we'd, amongst allthe chaos, settle one issue so
that the debate comes to an endand everybody can turn their
attention to other stuff.
What do you think?
Good idea Sounds good, allright, so we're going to answer
and deal with the whole question.
Did god create the heavens andthe earth in a 24 hour day over
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seven?
Well, actually the seventh dayhe rested, so there wasn't much
creation quote-unquote going on,because everybody likes to
debate that.
all the scientists like to saythe christians are crazy and
stupid because they believe in aliteral, literal seven days
which, of course, with all thewe talked about this earlier all
the physics and stuff going on,I it literally could be that,
(01:29):
as it could be anything else.
Yeah, things are very strangein terms of quantum mechanics or
the way the universe, and youknow how many times, every
single day, when I'm arousingthe news out there, there's
always something on science,like we have to rethink our
history of where man came, or wehave to rethink the history of
the why and why this spacething's doing this over here.
(01:50):
So if you really pay attention,scientists are more often
saying, oh, we're surprised andthis is something new and we
don't know.
Yeah, but that seems to getlost in this whole debate.
Um, we're going to go to ourold friend neil degrasse and
play his little comment about,you know, creation and that kind
of thing.
You know.
He reminds me of now, not thewhole scripture, but read, uh,
(02:14):
second timothy 3, 7 there.
Jacob, tell me if that remindsyou of all these scientists,
these people going on alwayslearning but never being able to
acknowledge the truth remindsme of joe rogan, uh, neil
degrasse, people like that,where they're always kind of
learning something and that it'sa pleasure to learn new things,
(02:35):
but unless it leads to actualanswers and really what I mean
by that is the answer, jesuschrist then well, you're just
spinning your wheels at best andkind of wasting time, all right
.
Before I answer the question,though, let's kind of set the
scene and the situation here.
You've got all this debate andit's continuing on with what
we're talking about here.
Go ahead and play this sectionof Acts, chapter 17, jacob, and
(02:59):
let's listen to it and see howit fits today.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Acts 17, 16-21.
While Paul was waiting for themin Athens, he was greatly
distressed to see that the citywas full of idols.
So he reasoned in the synagoguewith the Jews and the
God-fearing Greeks, as well asin the marketplace, day by day,
with those who happened to bethere.
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A group of Epicurean and Stoicphilosophers began to dispute
with him.
Some of them asked what is thisbabbler trying to say?
Others remarked he seems to beadvocating foreign gods.
They said this because Paul waspreaching the good news about
Jesus and the resurrection.
(03:44):
Then they took him and broughthim to a meeting of the
Areopagus, where they said tohim May we know what this new
teaching is that you arepresenting.
You are bringing some strangeideas to our ears and we want to
know what they mean.
All the Athenians and theforeigners who lived there spent
(04:06):
their time doing nothing buttalking about and listening to
the latest ideas.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Does that sound like YouTube?
Yes, it does I mean we wentthrough all that, but it does.
All the Athenians and theforeigners who live there spent
their time doing nothing buttalking and listening to the
latest ideas.
Well, I think so many podcaststake off to be done and so many
podcasts that are out there.
Just think of all those peoplestopped listening to the podcast
(04:31):
and actually went out andstarted doing some things for
the Lord.
It's interesting.
Go ahead and read Acts 17,verse 18 there, jacob, one more
time.
Let's just kind of pass throughthat before we answer Negress'
question about the 24-hour day.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
A group of Epikrian and Stoic philosophers began to
dispute with him.
Some of them asked what is thisbabbler trying to say?
Others remarked he seems to beadvocating foreign gods.
They said this because Paul waspreaching the good news about
Jesus and the resurrection.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We all kind of know this, but I think we get
surprised by it.
Paul's simply preaching thegood news of Jesus Christ and
they're calling him a babbler.
They can't understand what he'ssaying.
It's really weird, because youtalk about repentance, holiness,
self-discipline, thiscommandment here and they think
you're babbling.
Yeah, um, if it's in the churchthey'd be going.
(05:28):
Oh, he's taking things out ofcontext.
Um, he's kind of he's a cultleader or he's a part of a call.
You started getting that.
Now I do like the fact they kindof slander him a little bit.
They call him a babbler.
Right, but look at least of thecharacter there's so much into
talking and debating there.
It's like they're insulting oh,you babbler, hey, come here and
talk to us.
(05:48):
So all they do is spend theirtime talking day in and day out.
In fact, I think if we read onin this, I'm not a hundred
percent sure I'd have to reviewand look at scripture again, I
think.
I think it says he won a fewdisciples.
When you have a whole, wholelot of talk going on, it really
just sucks in.
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The whole commandment and anidea about you need to be
actually obedient to jesuschrist.
Anything else on that, jacob?
No, all right, let's play.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Go and play the neil degrasse video and let's listen
to his comment something like 40of american scientists will go
to church and pray to a personalGod, a God who would answer
their prayers.
And when you go to thosescientists including the head of
the National Institutes ofHealth, francis Collins yet he's
a productive, active scientist.
How do these sit together?
Because he's not saying theuniverse was created in six days
(06:39):
.
He has embraced science, yethas kept the spirituality part
of what is in the religion.
And, by the way, he's not thefirst to do that.
Thomas Jefferson is perhaps themost famous person to have done
that.
He said the value of thisreligion is not in me believing
in miracles, it's believing andfollowing wisdom carried by an
important person in the historyof humans.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You catch all that.
Basically, Christianity is justa matter of some moral
principles out there and somebasic concepts.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Right, correct.
He's saying you know, it's justa spirituality, that religion
is separate from the rest ofyour life.
You can, you know you're ascientist, or you're this or
you're that, and then there'sreligion.
Is this other thing?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, and it's like you're looking at the moral
principle without looking at,and to the God, who's giving us
the morals and that kind ofthing?
Well, first of all, let's justclarify negros is wrong and all
those other scientists are wrongabout the 24-hour thing.
For some reason why, you tellme, jacob, we probably don't
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know why do they have it blockedin their mind that because
genesis says days, everythingwas created, that it's 24 hour
days.
Where did they get that?
Was that God give a pretexthere saying this is the
timeframe and measurements?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think a lot of people are assuming it's a 24
hour day because at some pointin there it says he creates like
the stars and he creates this.
So everyone's assuming thatlike time started at that moment
.
You know, I think that I thinkeveryone thinks time started, as
we know it, a 24 hour day assoon as he said, like, let there
be light.
I think that's what peopleassume.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Correct.
They assume that I don't knowwhy.
The question is did whoeverwrote the book of Genesis or any
of the people in the OldTestament think he was referring
to 24-hour day?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I don't know, Back then they didn't call it 24-hour
days.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, it would have been sunset, sunset to sunrise.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
But that was a day to them.
Did you ever see Fiddler on theRoof?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yes, so why would they assume that everybody back
there coming out of Egypt,writing the you know, Moses
writing the book of Genesis, whothey think wrote?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
it.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, he probably did.
Um, why would we think allthrough that time period from
Moses on?
Everybody assumed it was a 24hour day.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think they just assume that's how it's always
worked.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Maybe they didn't assume that.
Oh okay, let's go to 1 Peter or, I'm sorry, let's go to 2 Peter
, 3, verse 2.
Let's first listen to the wholescripture and kind of let that
soak in and if you're in God,let the Holy Spirit wash you
with that.
If you're a pagan scientisthaving to listen in to see what
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kind of this babbler is saying,let's listen to at least what it
is saying.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Go ahead, jacob 2 Peter 3 2-9.
I want you to recall the wordsspoken in the past by the holy
prophets and the command givenby our Lord and Savior through
your apostles.
First of all, you mustunderstand that in the last days
(09:50):
, scoffers will come scoffingand, following their own evil
desires, they will say where isthis coming?
He promised Ever since ourfathers died.
Everything goes on as it hassince the beginning of creation.
But they deliberately forgetthat long ago, by God's word,
the heavens existed and theearth was formed out of water
(10:13):
and by water, by these watersalso, the world of that time was
deluged and destroyed by thesame word.
The present heavens and earthare reserved for fire being kept
for the day of judgment anddestruction of ungodly men.
But do not forget this onething, dear friends With the
Lord, a day is like a thousandyears and a thousand years are
(10:36):
like a day.
The Lord is not slow in keepinghis promise, as some understand
slowness.
He is patient with you, notwanting anyone to perish, but
everyone to come to repentance.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, the first part, we can see pretty clearly
there's scoffers everywhere,right.
And then what hasn't beendiscovered by scientists is that
the earth was formed out ofwater.
They seem to have this conceptthat it was formed out of fire,
but I'm not going to go intothat right now.
Now, 2 Peter 3, verse 5 saysbut they deliberately forget.
(11:12):
So somehow, within theconscience of man and the way
God created man, they choose toforget what he's communicating,
and it's a deliberate act.
That's why you see the, thescientists, do they ever change
the argument about the 24 or 6days?
I mean, we've been going, thatdebate's been going on for
(11:33):
hundreds of years.
Yes, at least nobody's answeredthe question, nobody's laid it
out.
Really, what's going on here?
But they, they just keepsticking to it.
I'm really getting to isthey're just deliberately
ignoring.
Just like when he said in thelast one you know he sees no
evidence for God.
How many, every atom, everyproton, every blade of grass
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requires him to deliberatelyforget that God made it?
Yeah, I mean, that's reallywhat's going on.
All right, that said, of course.
Second, peter 3, 5 says theydeliberately forgot, forget that
long ago by god's word.
So everything, something cameinto being out of nothing,
technically, yes, by god justsaying let it happen.
(12:15):
Okay, the heavens in theexisted and the earth was formed
out of water and by water, bythese waters also, the world of
that time was deluged anddestroyed.
Of course he's talking aboutNoah.
So he's talking about atimeline here.
Right, you've got the creation,you've got Noah.
He's really pointing andtalking about, in a very
non-scientific way, the movementof what God is doing through
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time, correct, Correct.
Then look at what he says andyou go ahead and read that,
jacob.
Well, well, in fact, in secondpeter 3, 7, he talks about
what's to come.
So this really is a timelinetable.
Right, you got creation, flood,uh, the coming of the
antichrist, all these kind ofthings.
So he, it's kind of laid out apowerpoint, so to speak.
(12:57):
That goes, you know, by thesame word the present heavens
and earth are reserved for firebeing kept for the day of
judgment and destruction ofungodly man.
Okay, that's what's coming.
So this is literally a timeline.
Right Now he gives a kind offootnote, what I call second
Peter, chapter three eight, ofwhat time looks like to God and
what now God's perspective.
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Go ahead and read verse eightthere.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Jacob.
But do not forget this onething, dear friends with the
Lord a a day is like a thousandyears and a thousand years are
like a day.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
All right, jacob.
How did Peter know that it'snot a 24-hour day?
Because isn't that what he—well, first, let's establish?
Is that what he's saying?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
He's establishing that our measurement of time is
not the same as the Lord'smeasurement of time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
That is correct.
With the Lord, a day is like athousand years.
So if God is inspiring Moses towrite the 10 commandments and
says on day one he did that,what would we assume?
This is God talking about hisday and what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yes.
So then you could say that ittook him 6 000 years to make the
earth, and then he actuallyrested for a thousand years well
, that's on a bare minimum.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It says like a thousand years, in other words
the, the scientists, let's justsay they might be correct about
the billions and billions ofyears, right well, but that's
very unlikely, okay, well, let'sjust assume the years all I'm
all I'm really getting at here.
I'm not trying to.
What I'm trying to get at hereis that the thousand years.
What he's really saying is nota literal thousand year he's
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telling he's, but he, the onlybut.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
He is giving people a reference, but, yes, he's not
saying the exact.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
This is how it is yeah, what I'm trying to dispel
here is that when you read ingenesis and it says on day one,
that doesn't mean a thousandyears, it's like a thousand.
Yeah, he could have ordered itif he wanted to and said, look
you, god cannot be confined towhat we consider time and
measurement.
It was like a thousand years.
In other words, you just don'thave.
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One second could be like athousand years to god.
Ten seconds could be tenthousand years to god.
He's out of the realm of.
His days are different than ourdays.
That's what he really saying.
Are you seeing what I'm saying?
Yeah, if not, come back at me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Well, no, I, I, I yes , oh yeah, I, I, I uh.
No, yeah, we're, we're justsaying, we're saying the same
thing, we think about it for aminute.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
If Genesis is written and it's all 24-hour days, if
Neil deGrasse is saying that,back then, even when Genesis was
written, when Moses was writingthat line, he was thinking oh,
that's a 24-hour day.
And then all through thethousand years, all the way up
to the New Testament, and we getall the way to Peter where he
says hey, look guys.
In fact he says, do not forget.
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In other words, it's easy toforget that God is outside time.
And when you read somethingthat says, okay, on day one God
did this, he goes.
Essentially he's saying don'tthink for a second.
That's a 24-hour day, that'sGod's timeframe, and so he looks
at things much different thanwe do.
All right, so all through that,you get where I'm going with
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this, all right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So how did Peter know ?
Inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's a.
That's a good answer and clear.
But I'll tell you what I think.
Neil deGrasse and all thesescientists are wrong that when
Moses wrote about the day, andall through the South years, the
Jews knew it was not a 24 hourday, sure the day, and all
through the south years the jewsknew it was not a 24-hour day,
sure?
they always kind of knew this.
Yeah, everybody knew that.
They knew.
If you kind of said, in thebeginning it wasn't like um
moses looked at his sake, awatch and said this is a 24-hour
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day, right, correct?
So I don't.
Moses didn't come down, say,hey, you guys, here's your copy
of genesis and all the jews arereading that and going, okay,
day one, oh, that was 24 hourseight to five day, and then we
go to the next day.
I think they understood veryclearly.
Just that's why Peter's sayinglook, just don't forget the fact
(17:02):
that God's timeframe is like athousand years to God could be
one second or a millisecond orwhatever.
Again, we've talked aboutbefore I have the surfboard
theory, where time itself isbeing created, and so if you
think of the big bang, may ormay not be true, but let's just
say the big bang is true well,there was a bang when he spoke
it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean stuff.
You would think stuff went poof.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
well, it's hard.
Yeah, the evidence would pointto the fact god said let it be
created and there was thisexplosion and it was expanding
out.
Well, if you were riding asurfboard at the first of the
wave, time itself is beingcreated as the universe is
moving out, correct?
It's the same thing with theproton as you move faster, to
the speed of light, what happens?
Time slows down.
(17:46):
So the man and the surfboardsay I was on the surfboard right
in the crust of the wave.
Time is moving slow.
So technically to me, if youwant to go there, it could be
for me a 24 hour day, becausetime itself is slowly ticking
and it's slowly moving forward,and so I could literally write
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and go yeah, in one day Godcreated the whole universe,
correct.
But behind that, since he'sstarting the creation, time is
beginning to take on.
I'm just going to have to sayit's relative time for what's
going on, because it's beenestablished, correct, mm-hmm.
So is that very, very feasible,that you could have a 24-hour
day?
And what Peter is saying hereat the same time?
(18:27):
Oh, yeah, and what Peter issaying here at the same time.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
What I want us to realize is, neil deGrasse and
all you scientists out there, inno way, shape or form is
Genesis implying, other than, ifmy surfboard theory is true,
that it was a 24-hour day.
So give it up.
Let's start dealing with thereality of the proof of God that
you see around you, the needfor holiness and righteousness.
Let's take a look at your lifeand let us just slightly
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consider the fact that a God whocan create the universe as
magnificent as it is, you shouldbe a little afraid of what hell
is.
We can't even imagine that.
All right, go ahead and readverse nine there, jacob, because
again he's talking about God'stime in relationship to our time
.
I mean, before you read that,let me ask you a question.
(19:14):
Does it seem like god takesforever to bring justice, yes,
or to answer prayer?
Sometimes you can just takeforever and you go.
Why is god delaying?
In fact, that that's usuallyone of the struggles of
disciples.
You know when jesus is talkingabout to peter what's happening
and what's going and where he'sgoing to go.
Peter turns and goes well, whenare you going to restore Israel
?
And Jesus has to say look,that's just not your business,
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don't worry about it.
It's within our human nature togo.
Why are you taking so long?
What are you doing?
Or even if something we'relooking forward to, it just
seems to take forever to getthere.
It's the nature of who we are.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, it's just the nature of humans to be impatient
about everything.
Really.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I like your bottom lines All right.
So Peter's timeline 2.
Peter 3, 9.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Go ahead and read that, jacob, the Lord is not
slow in keeping his promise.
As some understand slowness, heis patient with you, not
wanting anyone to perish, buteveryone to come to repentance.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
There is so much in this.
I mean he's talking about thecreation of the universe,
24-hour days, the judgment tocome, what will happen?
I mean, just think of the powerof what he's writing.
Here.
We're only talking like wouldthey be classified as paragraphs
?
Let's just say five paragraphs.
You've covered a lot of detailand I'm on here in a podcast
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trying to do it in 10 minutes.
Thanks, that shows you how weakI am.
All right, the Lord is not slowin keeping his promise, All the
promises about justice andrighteousness and working
holiness in our lives, ordealing with the people you know
who they are who came after usto destroy us because of their
sin.
God is not slow in keeping apromise to deal with them.
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He will do so.
He's just pausing here for amoment and whatever that pause
means to God, he's going topause and wait.
He wants them all to repent andonce they pass that timeline or
that point where, well,nobody's going to repent, God's
just going to start taking careof them.
Anything else before we kind ofmove on there.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Jacob.
Oh, only to wrap that up, youknow the end goal of all of this
, even Paul outlining all ofthis wisdom, the absolute end
goal is for everyone to come torepentance.
So you know, even you mentionedit earlier.
But whether it's Neil deGrasseor all these other Christians
like you can argue, and even weI mean we're not claiming to
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understand all this but at theend, if you're not repenting,
then it's all for nothing.
You are wasting time.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Amen, amen, jacob.
All right, let's switch topicshere.
Jacob.
All right, let's switch topicshere.
Uh, this is jamie pedersen.
I think he's a democrat inwashington state and, if people
haven't figured out, washingtonstate is a complete and total
mess.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Oh, I think it's peterson.
I think this is jamie peterson,but I'm guessing I'm probably
pronouncing wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
As you can tell, I'm very poor with name peter.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I think they just pronounce it.
Oh, it's, it's almost, and nota T like Peter, but Pede
Peterson.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Oh, okay, I think it's Peterson.
No, it's me that'smispronouncing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Oh, I'm actually not claiming to have it right.
Well, that works I think I'veheard the name before.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I like the word weasel.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Oh yeah, that works too.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Because clip and then I'm going to play it again for
people.
Let's do and consider what thisunrepentant fool is saying kids
over 13 have the complete rightto make their own decisions
about their mental health care.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Parents don't have a right to have notice.
They don't have a right to haveconsent about that.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
That takes your breath away.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yes, that is a pretty wild thing that they're doing.
Number one all the science willtell you that 13-year-old male
or female are not qualified tomake a decision about anything
in their life Correct Periodthey're not fully developed.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Their brains aren't developed Correct, they're not
developed.
And that's just science.
Yeah, this is the worldlyearthly.
Even Neil deGrasse is going toagree that a 13-year-old's brain
is not developed Correct, Notfully developed.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Actually.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
They're a child.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I had a research paper done on this whole topic.
Some scientists look at it.
So this is an absolute fact,that when you talk about a
teenager's mind being mush,that's a reality because it's
being formed and then thehormones are just starting to
flow.
And this guy I'm sure he'sblind and he believes what he's
saying but the destruction he issetting into motion.
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You're literally telling 13year olds that parents are
nothing, that you're an adult,you can do whatever you want.
You can't vote.
Now I realize you can get anabortion, get birth control.
They are little.
We were accused of separatingchildren from parents, which is
an absolute lie, right?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Correct, but the state of Washington is doing it
a mass kind of thing, a mass.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Play it one more time and people need to listen to
what really.
This is deadly, foundationaldestruction of your family,
destruction of your family.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Kids over 13 have the complete right to make their
own decisions about their mentalhealth care.
Parents don't have a right tohave notice.
They don't have a right to haveconsent about that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
First of all, where did he get to state the fact I
mean, he's acting like this is afact?
Was there some scientific uh nopaper examines and said no, 13
year olds, they mentally knowfirst of all if they've got
mental problems.
that would imply that you're notmentally fit to make a decision
about your mentally problemcorrect it's kind of like I I
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love that you go into the doctor, whatever right, and they want
to judge your mental state andthey're decent questions.
I'm not kind of making fun ofthat, but the point is ago, have
you had suicidal thoughts?
Have you had this?
Do you hear voices?
Well, if I can check, yes tothose things, it's you know what
I'm saying?
yeah, um, I don't know whatyou're quite proving there.
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It's kind of obvious.
But I I understand why they doit.
He's just doing the same man.
Think about that Every13-year-old.
It's already bad enough.
You can't discipline yourchildren, you can't talk to them
, and yet the state ofWashington will hold you
responsible if the child doessomething bad.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
And just so you know, this bill, a lot of this, all
that thing which, by the way,did pass and in the in the news
headline we saw they're tryingto gut, they passed it a lot of
it has to do with this transstuff too.
Uh, the, the underlining toe,you are correct, of course, but
their real thing is theyliterally want kids in school to
be like I want to, and thenthis law, they can give them the
hormones, the medications, theycan do the surgeries, they can
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do whatever they want withouttelling the parents.
The bill strips away a lot ofother rights, but specifically,
he's gay.
That dude is gay.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
The other second in command there in the Washington
State Legislature.
She's a lesbian, and thenthey're going for the children
and it's child abuse.
Yes, oh, this is full on.
Yeah, this is nasty.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You're luring children.
Yeah, Just think about what youjust said.
If they have mental problems,you're taking advantage of them
to bring in all of this transstuff or just whatever drugs or
whatever I mean the trans stuffis bad enough, but even if they
don't kind of go there, you'vejust destroyed that person.
Granted, you probably made him aDemocrat for life, but you've
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destroyed them completely andthe family and the whole
structure and everything else.
Very, very wicked stuff.
And yet the state of Washingtonwill think they can come in and
figure out what a good familyand a bad family is.
This is their idea of a goodfamily.
So everybody else that wouldhave morals, self-discipline,
you know?
Uh, not let the hormones pass,get your mind or associated here
(27:23):
, think correctly over here,deal with this here, or how
about just go mow the yard andit'll eventually go away, kind
of routine.
I mean that's all.
Just just you could havescience.
Science says if you'redepressed or whatever, get out
and go for a walk, do something.
Get out there and do that, yeah.
But since you can't make yourkids do anything, actually live
a good life anymore, well, what?
What you're really seeing inthe state of washington is god
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bringing judgment into the stateof washington.
That's what's really going onand that's why, when, as as we
demand justice and as we look atthings, the odds are it's not
going to change, I mean it could.
God could just come in and justmiraculously do some things.
But the state of Washington isunder judgment and everybody is
suffering because of it, andeven the people that are voting
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for these people.
They're getting worse and worseoff because they keep getting
worse and worse, and so thelevel just keeps going lower and
lower and you go why?
None of this is making anysense.
It's kind of like the budgetthing Billions of dollars in
debt, and so then you tax more.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Or what was you were telling me the other day oh, I
know that Washington state wassuing Trump about the terrorists
, but at the same time, they'repassing more taxes within the
state of Washington.
Yes, and the rationale was well, trump will hurt the working
person and all your taxes in thestate of Washington are not
going to hurt the working person?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Of course it will.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Of course it will.
Yeah, but they don't care aboutthat particular fact.
So that's really not the issue.
They're lying when they go tothe federal court, not the issue
.
Uh, they're lying when they goto the federal court.
Yeah, we're worried about it.
No, they want the power and thecontrol to use money for social
services, to destroy yourfamily, which makes them, the
people in your family and 13year olds, all products of the
state.
It's via.
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It really is a luring.
What do you?
What do you call grooming?
Bringing people in?
This is vile stuff.
Grooming, bringing people inthis is vile stuff.
All right, let's listen toIsaiah, chapter 3, starting
verse 4, because God promisesthat a nation that turns its
back on him or does not evenacknowledge him, and this
particular scripture is going tosay they do not acknowledge me.
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I mean, it's like God is sayingokay, you don't have to believe
in me, you don't even have tobe obedient to me, you don't
have to do all these things, butyou won't even acknowledge that
I exist.
And that's certainly not.
Only is the state of Washingtonrefusing to acknowledge that
there is a God with requirementsand judgment, they are
prosecuting for a fact in KingCounty, washington, those who
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actually do good things andfollow Jesus Christ.
Good Isaiah, chapter three,verse four Jacob.
Let's play and listen to it,and we'll discuss it a little
bit.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Isaiah 3.4-9.
The honourable A man will seizeone of his brothers at his
father's home and say you have acloak, you be our leader, take
charge of this heap of ruins.
But in that day he will cry outI have no remedy.
I have no food or clothing inmy house.
Do not make me the leader ofthe people.
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Jerusalem staggers Judah isfalling.
The leader of the people,jerusalem staggers Judah is
falling.
Their words and deeds areagainst the Lord, defying his
glorious presence.
The look on their facestestifies against them.
They parade their sin likeSodom.
They do not hide it.
Woe to them.
They have brought disaster uponthemselves.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Anything, Jacob, that is not relevant to the state of
Washington.
No very relevant Verse 4 ofIsaiah 3, I will make boys their
officials.
You come along and you say13-year-olds are essentially
adults, more than adults.
They have the power and theauthority of adults, correct,
correct?
What's it going to keepeventually, as the slide goes
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down?
Well, 13-year-olds should beable to run for office.
I will make boys theirofficials.
Mere children will govern them.
This is one child, meaning thatrepresentative now talking to
another child.
Nobody's matured up at all.
So you really have childrenupon children.
When I look at Governor Fergusonand all these people and King
County prosecutors and all thisstuff, man, they behave like
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children.
It's like logic.
Children don't respond to logic.
They respond totallyemotionally.
Now, as they grow up, they'reable to take that wording and
can use it against you becausethey're learning.
But it's all tied to what?
Their emotion.
So you can see why thisrepresentative wants
13-year-olds to vote for him,because to him that's a comrade.
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They said oh yeah, we just walkby emotion.
There's no logic here and noreason.
I don't want to keep harping onKing County prosecutors, but
clearly, logic evidence theythrew all that out.
It just didn't mean anything,correct, correct?
Isaiah chapter 3, 3, 8, saysjerusalem staggers.
We're seeing this staggeringprocess going on.
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You kind of watch, uh,washington state, don't they?
Just one thing, you know.
You think, oh, that's over with.
No, they stagger into the nextthing, they stagger the next
thing.
It's like man, you just keepfalling down and everything that
you do Am I right or wrong onthat?
Oh, you're right.
Judah is falling.
Their words and deeds areagainst the Lord.
(32:44):
If anybody thinks that's nottrue, go back and listen to the
last podcast, when we did aprosecutor Bible study defying
his glorious presence.
It wasn't just going after.
They were defying the livingGod, they were defying all that
was good and holy.
In isaiah, chapter 3, verse 9,it goes on to say the look on
their faces testifies againstthem.
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I remember mark larson and Iforget who the other picture was
.
They were in the paper and theyhad the exact same look on
their face.
It was this chin up, hottietype thing.
It's on the website there.
Um, their whole demeanor, theiractions, their behavior, their
words, the looks on their facesand again at this point I'm
talking about King Countyprosecutors testifies against
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them.
The pride is just written allover their face.
Now that can be also stretchedto Washington state, as you
watch Ferguson do his thing andother people do stuff.
But I'm just saying this stuffis real, it is today and the
church needs to pay attention towhat's going, because they're
literally they're not payingattention just how bad it is.
Now you heard about the sing andpraise-a-thon that was in
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seattle that there was a bigkind of a little ruckus, a
little bit, I heard of it I mean, I appreciate what they're
doing out there, but they needto get much more sober about
really what's going on, becausepart of the deception is right
now.
What's the name of the FBIdirector?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I always mispronounce it.
That's why I'm hesitating, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
There's the Indian dude, who's number one?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, I'm talking about number two.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, number two.
I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
They're looking into the riot that happened in
Seattle and the whole thing thatwent on there.
And he's correct when he'ssaying I mean, for what the guys
are doing getting done, they'reexactly correct.
He goes look, freedom ofreligion is not an option, kind
of thing.
Now, this is Judge Lori K Smithwho, in the Just on just one,
two, three sentences oh no, thestate of Washington's freedom of
religion does not apply in thiscase.
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I don't know where she even gotthe power and the authority to
just, at any point in time, gooh, that part of the
Constitution is null and void.
You'd think there'd be sometype of review process, because
that's way too much power,especially for woman of the year
.
Twice over.
Judge Laurie K Smith.
Correct, correct.
Look on their faces, testifyagainst them.
They parade their sin likeSodom, kind of obvious, right.
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I mean, you've got to crosswalkdowntown somewhere that's
painted like a rainbow and ifyou deface it or do whatever, I
think it's a federal crime.
I think it's like 10 years.
Look, I don't know why this has.
This should have been shut downby the Washington State Supreme
Court and by other things.
But first of all, if you've gotsomething that that's you hold
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in reverence.
You don't make a crosswalk outof it, correct?
Don't all the other statues ofSouthern generals or whatever?
Aren't they behind kind of afence and lifted up and beyond
that?
You don't do it as a crosswalk.
That's an undue burden onanybody and a temptation for
kids to come along and ridetheir bicycle and make some
scratch marks.
Right now they're felons.
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I mean this.
This stuff is nuts.
Um, it's idolatry.
That's so far out there.
Anyway, god sums it up by sayingwoe to them.
They have brought disaster uponthemselves.
Ah, we know the state ofWashington is not going to care,
anything that I just said, butit's the church that's not
paying attention.
They're being deceived by thegood, and I say it's good that
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Trump and the DOJ and thesepeople are doing, because it's
going to be very, very temporary.
In fact, if you dig behind alittle bit and we've talked
about this, right, jacob, yeah,nothing is being done to ensure
our rights.
People need to note that really.
Well.
Now I know they think I'm kindof off cake because they're
(36:27):
going.
Well, wait a minute.
They're coming in sayingchristians have a right to be
christians, right?
Well, that's not what I'mtalking about.
That's like a, that's like aband-aid argument.
It's good to do, but it's notgoing to solve anything.
Um, because all that's going tohappen is washington state
officials are going to wait tilltrump's not in power, that
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they're just going to whatever.
So so the fba comes in, looksand do you really think any of
those protesters are going tohave a hate crime charged
against them, the ones thatcaused the trouble?
No, there'll be thisinvestigation.
This will.
There'll be this roostercrowing kind of thing.
It'll be the federal governmentsaying you shouldn't do this.
But are they going to go arrestDetective Grant McCall?
No, are they going to go arrestthe co-conspirator who went
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this?
Are they going to go out thereand arrest the judge and
prosecutors that intentionallyviolated our rights because we
are Christians?
Are they going to do any ofthat?
Rights because we arechristians?
Are they going to do any ofthat?
No, no, of course not.
That's not going to happen.
So what is happening that thechurch needs to understand is
trump is coming in doing law andorder.
So we have an el salvadorprison.
We think that's all good, andwe're bringing in more policemen
(37:32):
, and we think that's all good.
Beefing up the military,cleaning up the mid-tower,
making it stronger good point.
So there's this sense.
Oh, we're tightening up themid-cellar, making it stronger
Good point.
So there's this sense.
Oh, we're tightening up theborder, you know, we're sending
IRSA just down there that useguns to, I think, or there was
talk of it down at the border tosecure everything.
So even the word secure right,it gives us impression that
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things are becoming more secure.
Well, they're not, and thesewould be chosen in other cells.
What is in the in and ofthemselves, clearly need to slow
down.
All right, go ahead and playthis warning by james comey.
We all know who he is right,yeah, he was the fbi director
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under biden and let's just saythings weren't going well for
truth and justice.
Go ahead and read what hiswarning is, and this is a pretty
current statement.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Well, these are the people who, through decades and
decades, have seen every kind ofcase, and so they're there to
make sure that the work nomatter who's in charge in the
White House, no matter who theattorney general is that the
work is done consistently withprevious practice and consistent
with the law.
I know Republicans these daysaren't big in thinking about
principle or precedent.
They're going to be deeplysorry that that disappears,
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because someday there will be aDemocratic president and
there'll be investigations ofRepublican officeholders.
Day there'll be a democraticpresident and there'll be
investigations of republicanoffice holders.
If I'm them, I sure would wantthese career people in place
making sure that it's done inthe right way all right, jacob,
any initial thoughts on that one?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
no, what is happening is because you're not having
any real statutes of changes bytrump, in other words, all
executive orders.
There's this false foundationeverybody thinks they're
becoming more secure, when it'snot.
What happening is the prisonsare becoming more like prison.
The laws are becoming eventighter, their government's
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coming in with more and morecontrol buried with behind all
this, because what's nothappening is trump's not coming
in and saying, oh, the policehave too much power, let's
scroll that back.
The, the prosecutors are waybeyond and they're abusing the
law, so let's bring that back.
We've got some pretty unjustlaws about being falsely accused
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.
That's not being scaled back.
He's not doing any of thosethings.
Is he that the part of it he'soverwhelmed with the corruption
that's going on scaled back?
He's not doing any of thosethings.
Is he that the part of it?
He's overwhelmed with thecorruption that's going on?
You're trying to pass bills,you're trying to get on, but
there's this knee-jerk reactionnow, because the democrats came
in and you had this lawlessnessgoing on and this destruction
happening.
Now the law and order.
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People come in and go.
Well, we want law and order, wewant tighter laws, we want
people arrested, we want peoplejust thrown out.
We want to just ignore any dueprocess and just take immigrants
and throw them out.
And I know what the problem is.
We talked about this the otherday.
The due process right now wouldtake forever.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
They said it would take like I don't know, it's
like 17 years or it's a lot ofyears.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Right, it's the very foundation of the laws that have
to be changed.
So when I'm saying these things, when I say due process, there
needs to be a check and abalance.
It can move fast, but it has tobe a check and a balance.
That's not there.
Or laws that come in and saythe police can no longer trick
you out of your rights, or if weshow up in a house and we
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demolish it, that we have to fixit.
You could come in with allthese foundational laws that
secure the rights of individuals, like you have a right to
privacy, you have a right tothis.
Or you have a right to beforgotten by Google.
You have all of these thingsthat go on.
None of that is taking place.
No, right now, the big billthat's being passed.
There's a great deal of moneyand effort going into catching
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up with the AI computer.
You know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, we have to beat China,and I'm giving an American
standpoint.
We have to beat China becauseif China wins the AI, they win
the whole world.
Of course, we talked about thisyesterday.
All right, even if China winsthe AI, they don't win the world
.
Ai wins china.
Correct that?
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It's suicide to continue onwith the ai.
So, granted, it's not a prettypicture.
The book of revelation reallytalks about the mark of the
beast.
We can get it all that.
What we're really getting to isthe fact, within this big bill,
again, that trump has going on.
There's a one line statementthat says, for the next 10 years
, the States, across the UnitedStates, cannot have any rules in
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place or any comments in placethat would slow down the
creation of AI or bring in anyunder any scrutiny.
That makes sense.
Yeah, in other words, for thenext 10 years, they're going to
develop AI at all speed possible.
Well, there goes all privacy,there goes all rights to
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everything else, and it's quiteum, what am I sobering to?
If you go out there and listento what AI is able to do, it's
getting down.
They can read they.
I can read your thoughts.
Um, listen to what ai is ableto do, that it's getting down,
they can read.
Ai can read your thoughts.
Um, so you, literally you knowwe were talking about the jsa
you could be sitting in yourliving room.
There'll be enough satellitesout there.
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They're, they're seeing intoyour living room, when the
supreme court should have ruledthat 50 feet above at least
you're stealing of your propertyline is.
You have privacy, but all ofthat's being destroyed.
So, behind the scenes those ofus that are Christian disciples
you really need to listen.
Trump and whatever he's workingis going to collapse, and what
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will be left in place is evenmore powers for people like
Comey to come in and arrest youand put you somewhere.
Just think if the El Salvadorprison or wherever that's at
down there, was in place duringthe J6 riot.
They would have flown thosepeople.
They already did the mosthorrendous things.
They would still be down in ElSalvador and you would never get
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to them.
There'd be way too many laws.
It's out of the country.
So you see what Trump is settingdown, intentionally or
unintentionally, it doesn'treally matter.
The point is God's plan andwhat's happening is going to
come forward.
Really matter, though, thepoint is god's plan and what's
happening is going to comeforward, and one of his plans
right now is to deceive thosepeople in the church that will
not honor god's word, and sothey think trump and all this
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make it america great again issomehow a positive movement from
god.
Right, any comments or anything?
I kind of went a littlelong-winded on that, no, all
right.
Well, now let's shift toanother democrat, david hogg.
Go ahead and play this jacob,and this is what being a
democrat is all about right now.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
What I think happened last election is younger men.
They would rather vote forsomebody who feels, who, even if
they don't completely agreewith they, don't feel judged by
then somebody who they do agreewith, that they feel like they
have to walk on eggshells aroundconstantly because they're
going to be judged or ostracizedor excommunicated.
And what's interesting aboutthis moment is it feels like the
two parties in some senses haveflipped where, you know,
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republicans used to be thejudgmental assholes in many ways
, and since many Democratsdespite us, I would say, for
most of us coming from the rightplace of wanting to do the
right thing we've created aculture where we say, well, if
you say the wrong thing, you'reexcommunicated, and that's just
not how human beings work.
Nobody is perfect, butultimately, what we have to do
here is figure out how to bringpeople back in and work towards
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the bigger goal of advancing thefuture of this country and
helping young people especiallyget by, so that they're able to
focus on their lives and, youknow, getting with a young woman
or something like that insteadof how are they going to pay
their rent, for example, or howare they working their two jobs,
young people should be able tofocus on what young people
should be focused on, which ishow to get laid and how to go
and have fun all right jacob,All right Jacob Any thoughts no
(45:29):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
What's the most shocking aspect of that video?
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Well, the thing before the line at the end.
All he's really saying is we,as democrats, need to be better
at lying, because we've been toohonest and people don't like it
that analysis is true.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
But let me rephrase the question what part of the
his statement is the mostcorruption, the greatest like?
Just takeaway of like what?
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Well, at the end, of course, you know, young people
should just be focused ongetting laid and having fun.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Correct, actually that's number two, okay, and
number one is everybody clappedoh, yeah, sure, that's the most
shocking thing Like can you,okay, can you?
I've never as a pastor orleader if I said, yeah, young
people in this church need to beable to concentrate on what's
really important, not two jobs,not working, not being
(46:31):
responsible, but the woman thatthey can get laid.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well, obviously that wouldn't fly if it was a pastor
saying that.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well, but Grant, I hear that.
Well, but grant, I hear that,but I would be arrested,
ostracized.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, oh you, would be labeled as, like a yeah like
a pervert well, that's alsobecause you're saying you're a
pastor.
I think that would be part ofit yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
What you're saying is not wrong.
I I'm just Because these areworldly people.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
So these are the.
You know, bill Maher is acompletely worldly dude.
He doesn't believe in God atall.
That means the entire crowd istotal, you know?
Oh, I agree Because there's noway.
There's like, well, there couldbe people who say they're
Christians in the crowd clapping.
But no, this is Bill Maher is avery secular show.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Oh, correct, you're taking this, that statement, far
deeper than I actually meant.
I just meant they'd come in andprosecute me, take me down, put
me in jail, you'd be evil.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
You're very, very evil yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I mean granted under freedom of speech, a pastor has
the right to say that, as hedoes, to say that, but which one
is actually hauled off andprosecuted?
It's a superficial question.
I'm just meaning literally king, county prosecutors, and it
would just go ballistic, correct, if that's all I'm really
saying.
If that kind of statement wasmade, or if I even got close to
that, they'd have made hay ofthat like evil, vile, wicked.
(47:51):
But if a democrat says that onnational tv as a political
platform and his ideology oflife, everybody claps.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, everybody, yeah , applauds it.
You were right in everythingyou said.
And standing Bill Maher standsfor him too.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
And he calls him the next president, or president for
him.
Yeah, next president.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, we should vote for this guy.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
That was my point.
It was just like wow, this isjust so far out there, all right
.
Here's the problem.
He's right that this is howDemocrats think.
He's not right in what he says,because life is not made up of
figuring out who you can go havesex with.
That's, that's not what life isabout.
(48:34):
Life is about working.
Life is about providing.
Life is about taking onresponsibility.
Life is about being anindependent person, not
dependent upon the state, northe state coming in and crushing
the independence of anindividual.
Am I not correct?
You are correct.
So he flipped this whole thingaround, saying the only thing
(48:55):
that I should ever, or theyshould ever, have to worry about
is getting late.
Isn't that what he said?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
And you've got people clapping and voting for this.
You can't reason with peoplelike this, because there's only
one thing that matters whatevertheir flesh can get.
Yes, he's also, and let's goback and play, because it kind
of got lost in our discussionhere.
Notice the first part that he.
What he's really worried about,or bothered or agitated, is
that they were being judged byother people being looked on
(49:24):
down.
What he's really worried about,or bothered or agitated, is
that they were being judged byother people being looked on
down.
What he's really saying is wewant to go around and sleep, be
in all this sensuality, whoeverwe want to sleep with, whether
it's a woman, whatever is goingon.
I mean 13-year-old, you candecide whatever to do, right.
We want to have all thissensuality going on and nobody
at the same time condemning usor looking down on us because of
that.
That's what he's saying,correct?
(49:46):
Um, you play it before you openyour mouth.
Okay, go ahead and play itright now.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
What I think happened last election is younger men.
They would rather vote forsomebody who feels, who, even if
they don't completely agreewith they, don't feel judged by
then somebody who they do agreewith that they feel like they
have to walk on eggshells aroundconstantly because they're
going to be judged or ostracizedor excommunicated.
And what's interesting aboutthis moment is it feels like the
two parties in some senses haveflipped.
Okay, stop, see what.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I'm saying yeah, yeah .
So yes, he's literally sayingthat people don't want to be
judged.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Correct, yeah, Then we can tell the state of
Washington, their passing laws,that we we have to actually
applaud the sexual morality, thegay and lesbian stuff or the
trans stuff.
They're not content with usjust to remain silent.
You have to affirm that's whatyou want or you're denied all
kinds of things.
Correct, Correct.
If not, it's getting there very, very fast.
(50:36):
Technically it is.
If you send your kid to publicschool, you have to affirm those
things.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Try wearing a t-shirt that says there are only two
genders and see what happens.
Yeah, yeah, so he doesn't wantto feel judged.
That's what he's saying everyyeah, he's agreeing, but yeah,
that that other people don'twant to be judged.
Well, because and he's evenreferencing these, these people
that didn't vote for thedemocrats because the democrats
were judging them, because, yes,yes, the Democrat is judging.
If you don't go along with ourtrans, weird, nasty agenda, we
(51:09):
will judge you.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Okay, that's an interesting take.
See, now, I was thinking he wastalking about the Republicans.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
No, because he even says in there that the
Republican Party used to be theparty that did all the judging.
No, no, okay, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, okay.
So that's my point.
He is saying the RepublicanParty did all the judging and
he's saying that switched.
I get that, yeah.
But what I'm honing in on isthat the reason why he is so
opposed to the Republicans?
He's not talking about policyhere.
He's talking about looking downon being judged right, yes,
okay.
Play it Right, yes, ok.
Play it again up to that point.
So make sure that that's a veryimportant point that we're
(51:44):
going to look at here in just amoment no-transcript.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
And since many Democrats, despite us.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
So the first party he's talking about, the
Republicans are this, but nowit's turned into the Democrats.
That are this correct?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, he's talking about the group of people.
He's talking about the groupwhy Donald Trump won the group
of people.
He's talking about the groupwhy Donald Trump won the group
of people that didn't vote forKamala, who they thought were
going to vote for Kamala, butthey voted for Trump because the
Kamala liberal Democrats arejudging them.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You're going deep today.
This is a very simple questionand I'm not going to.
All I'm saying is that he'sstating that the Republicans
were the judgmental looking downon that.
As long as Republicans werearound before this election,
everybody had to walk oneggshells because they were
being judged.
Yes, he said that.
(52:56):
Ok, isn't that the main up tothat point?
Is that the main thing?
He's saying yes, all right, goahead and play this next
scripture, because what we'regoing to see here is that this
is the nature of sensuality,this is the nature of the trans
stuff that the angels of theLord come to Sodom and they're
(53:17):
upset that they're being judged.
So it's part of that.
I'm just showing how bad thatit's going to get.
Go ahead and play judges, um,or I mean genesis, chapter 10,
verse 5, there, jacob genesis,chapter 19, verses 5 through 11.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
they called to lot where are the men who came to
you tonight?
Bring them out to us so that wecan have sex with them.
Lot went outside to meet themand shut the door behind him and
said no, my friends, don't dothis wicked thing.
Look, I have two daughters whohave never slept with a man.
Let me bring them out to youand you can do what you like
(54:01):
with them, but don't do anythingto these men, for they have
come under the protection of myroof.
Get out of our way.
They replied and they said thisfellow came here as an alien
and now he wants to play thejudge.
We'll treat you worse than them.
They kept bringing pressure onLot and moved forward to break
down the door, but the meninside reached out and pulled
(54:24):
Lot back into the house and shutthe door.
Then they struck the men whowere at the door of the house,
young and old, with blindness,so that they could not find the
door.
Genesis 19, 5-11.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
When you look at the state of Washington, aren't they
becoming the officials, moreand more blind to any type of
solution?
It's because God is judgingWashington state and it's only
going to get worse.
Now what I want us to read goahead and read Genesis 19, 9,
jacob, and look at why they'resurrounding the house and what
they.
Of course they want to have sexwith the men and that kind of
(55:01):
thing, but what's?
There's a driving force beyondjust sensuality, like hey,
there's some new people in townwe want to have sex with.
What are they wanting to forceupon these new men?
And go ahead and read it.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
Get out of our way.
They replied and they said thisfellow came here as an alien
and now he wants to play.
The judge will treat you worsethan them.
They kept bringing pressure onlot and move forward to break
down the door so they're wantingto come in, have sex force
their way upon them.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
This is the nature of what the church better be
preparing for.
We are literally beingsurrounded, coming in more and
more, and you're talking brutebeasts.
They're not going to think,they're not going to accept
anything.
You follow what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, they don't want to be judged.
It's not just sex, I mean, theywant to rape these dudes,
correct.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
You know what I mean.
That's even different.
You know what I mean.
Yes, oh no, you're correct.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's.
I mean, they just power play.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, we're just, we're going to rape you.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Ooh.
So what do you see in the stateof Washington, this power play?
You know, the Supreme court iscommitting a right rape all the
time, Removing I mean, if you'vegot a judge, you can go oh, we
just throw out freedom ofreligion and in the process of
doing that, you're only creatinga prosecution, persecution, a
hostility toward doing thenbecause it's a Christian kind of
(56:25):
thing.
You're looking at the same darkmentality here of where
sensuality replaces any type ofreasoning, and then what is left
is this viciousness that sayswe don't even want to be judged
for our sensuality and if wethink you're judging us, we're
going to power you over.
With, however, means we can dothat we're going to treat you
(56:47):
bad, Treat you worse too.
Correct?
Yeah, we don't have time to lookat today, but clearly a lot was
affected by living in Sodom andGomorrah and that's part of the
problem.
The prayer would be the churchin Washington State would wake
up.
But they're not.
They're slowly being pulled inby being in Sodom and it's very
(57:07):
easy to be overcome by thatstuff, even if you think you're
not Just the quietness, and allthat kind of stuff.
So watch out after Trump'sreforms and his power play goes
away, because I guarantee youthey will not give it up a
second time and there will be asurrendering that comes in.
Anything else, Jacob, you wantto say Take us out of here?
Speaker 2 (57:32):
Nothing on the Consider podcast should be
considered legal or life advice.
Each is admonished to seek aholy God and obey by picking up
a cross to follow Jesus.
The Consider Podcast.
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