May 29, 2023 • 45 mins
Join us as we delve into the remarkable legacies of two iconic figures in their respective fields. In this episode, we pay tribute to the incomparable Tina Turner, reflecting on her enduring impact on the music industry and her trailblazing career. We also explore the influential journey of basketball legend Carmelo Anthony, examining his contributions and the indelible mark he has left on the sport. Join the conversation as we celebrate their legacies and discuss the lasting influence they have had on the world.
Also Discussed:
- Tina Turner dead at 83
- Who are today's legacy acts?
- A Nas and Tupac album?
- Desperation leads to success
- Taylor Swift fans are crazy
- Culture weed brand
- Eric B talks about Death Row East
- Did an era die with Carmelo's retirement?
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Jeff (00:00):
to another episode of the culture, it's your boy Jeff, my
(00:04):
co host Anthony.
Anthony (00:07):
Welcome to the life and times of white people as a great
title, The Life and Times ofwhite people
Jeff (00:16):
now answer for white people today.
Anthony (00:18):
No cool couple for I know we're not before we even
get into that, you know, becauseyou were talking about white
people some other shit we'retalking about. They're like, you
see how white people and crazyTaylor Swift shit?
Jeff (00:28):
I haven't heard about that. What is it a concert.
Anthony (00:32):
She performed that Meadowlands yesterday and today,
well, ya know, Friday andSaturday. And it was out there
like five, six hours before theshow. They were out there
tailgating. They had tents upand shit listening to Taylor
Swift treating, like war storiesfrom CIT and it was packed. It
was even all over the news.
Crazy. They're loyal as fuck to.
(00:53):
And you don't necessarily wantanything? Because because we're
going to talk about somebody whopassed. So it's like, it's the
whole loyalty question is it'sthat frame of mind. Okay, remind
me that
Jeff (01:04):
I have a co worker who bought tickets like at the
beginning when they would havean issues with Ticketmaster. I
have a co worker who was like inthe fan club or something. So
she had like early access to thetickets. So she managed to get a
bunch of tickets for like herher daughter and all her friends
or whatever.
Anthony (01:19):
Did she tell you how much
Jeff (01:20):
Yeah, I think she I think it was some it was cheap,
though. You know, take as it wasbefore the whole shoot went
crazy, right? So I remembertelling her like, you know, we
should just sell these shoes,bro. Because these shoes are
going for 1000s of dollars eachnow. She got them for like, you
know, a couple $100 Each orsomething like that. And I was
like, Yo, they're selling thesejust for like 1000 each. She was
(01:42):
like, Yeah, but I can't tell mydaughter now what I'm gonna tell
my daughter. I'm like, sureunderstand, bro. You could put
her through college with thisshit. Fuck she had like 10
tickets. Tell her Are you gonnamake like 10 grand with them?
She's tell your daughter
Anthony (01:54):
that in life. Adults have to make choices that make
rational sense. If I bought itfor 200 and I could sell it for
2000 That's what we like to calla profit. So she bought she
bought 10 tickets but you'reonly aware of her her and her
daughter fuck the other eight.
Well, they're supposed to belike for our friend. Yes, I'm
sure like that. My friendsbetter come up with that money.
Jeff (02:16):
I'm like, yo show understand, bro, I'll I'm
selling these tickets. If I wasable to get early access to
Taylor Swift tickets, and thenTicketmaster fucking shut down
and share froze because too manymonths ago was trying to buy the
shit. I'm selling the shirts.
Anthony (02:30):
You look funky as ticket broker. You hustle.
Jeff (02:33):
I would sell them shirts make 1,000% profit. You're about
to get scammed my kid my kidwill have to understand like,
Dude, look, I'll take you toDisney assumption. With this
money. We could go for Disneynow.
Anthony (02:45):
Like, like you were about Taylor Swift. We could
have a literally a Ford a threeday, four night fucking
excursion to Disney. All paid,not worry about shit. Or you say
oh, we're at the top of giantstadium and watch Taylor Swift.
I'll let you choose. If yourchild chooses the opposite of
(03:07):
the Disney thing, then youshould probably have a real
conversation with your kid. Theymight not be too smart.
Decisions, man. Lack of a lackof brain power. Like I thought
you'd be smarter than this. Idon't read books. You know, the
kind of shit is real dumb ofyou.
Jeff (03:19):
It's called fiscal responsibility.
Anthony (03:21):
Trust me. That means we can fly. We eat Goodbye, little
Mickey Mouse ears with a littlename on it. We get all the shit
and still have money to spare.
But you want to go to thisconcert? I have failed as a
parent.
Jeff (03:35):
Sometimes you got to make executive decisions, man.
Anthony (03:38):
What you mean you're a parent until he turned 18
They're all executive decisions.
Exactly. But we ain't doingthis. But But dad dad my ass we
ain't doing this. Now package itwe're going to Disney.
Jeff (03:51):
Yo shout out to the coach crew y'all should have received
merch by now. I sent him somenice T shirts you
Anthony (03:57):
sent him a bag a week?
Jeff (03:59):
No because although it's legal here it might not be legal
in every state so you know I'mnot trying to look at all the
state's regulations and
Anthony (04:11):
wanting her to hurt nobody
Jeff (04:12):
culture weed yeah we write this down we could probably
start some shit yeah but but theculture dispensary
Anthony (04:20):
yeah but on the back but the culture symbol on the
front of it that's it Yep.
Jeff (04:25):
We're flavors where we have
Anthony (04:28):
strong really fucking strong in my head hurts the
culture PIF. Culture.
Absolutely.
Jeff (04:42):
Let me get that culture.
Anthony (04:46):
Roll up like I'm doing this for the culture like
exactly.
Jeff (04:50):
You leave a comment and a review on our shit. You get a
free baggie. You get a nickel,you get a nickel.
Anthony (04:57):
You get a tray back $3 worth of weed is these steep
recession and inflation prices.
Jeff (05:05):
I'm gonna bring a big garbage bag back from Jamaica.
When I go to Jamaica November,
Anthony (05:09):
you know how hard it had to be back in the day. So
tray bags we fried out subpop
Jeff (05:16):
You'll remember when MOFA was used to only sell Nixon
dimes. Yeah, like that's justgone right now it's just like
you either get a pre rolled oryou get ounces.
Anthony (05:27):
You know what they treatment shit like meat. Like,
you got to buy it by the pound.
Jeff (05:32):
Let me get this one right here. This is tender is this
tenderized?
Anthony (05:35):
Like when you go to when you go to store and go to
deli counter, you be like, Iwant to dollar for cheese. Like
I want $2 Like, like I went andwe got away that way. I gotta
get $15 worth of wheat or 16,000with wheat. Like I can't afford
an ounce but I can do $18 worthof wheat they put on little
scale do a little math likeyou're eating outward to be like
(05:56):
Okay, thank you. Like you saidyou treat me like a deli counter
like it's no fit them out.
Because what the Nixon dimeslike he was just like he was
like a fucking antique dealer.
You hold the bag and look atlike, a little thin 20 season
that were like you inspectingthe ship. Now it's like, every
everything, even littledispensaries and I still in
(06:17):
phase one and I'm planning onbecause I don't want either.
Because the whole idea of somight give us a government ID to
buy weed like I know. I know.
Plenty of weed dealers. Theynever ask no Id ever based like,
Yo, you got it. Cool. We're goodto go.
Jeff (06:30):
But yo, you spoke about a death. earlier. Let's just was
mentioned that off the top. Restin peace to late great Tina
Turner. Yes. What was she like?
80? Song 8583 83? Yeah. I'm notgonna say that was young. But
she was still full of life. Youknow? I mean, she didn't seem
(06:50):
her age. She didn't seem old.
Anthony (06:55):
Yeah, I mean, she was dealing with health issues for a
while. And I mean, she lived afar life because she died in
Switzerland. And we're like, oh,like she passed away at a
nursing home and she'll be like,Oh, I died at my big ass mansion
in Switzerland. That's livingright there. That's good. Yo, I
appreciate it. That is Ike stillalive. No, I did.
Jeff (07:16):
Oh, I was gonna say I'm waiting for that interview.
Anthony (07:19):
I had been as mafic I'm gonna go ahead and pull up right
now.
Jeff (07:24):
He never told us why used to be highest right
Anthony (07:28):
now he died in two dancer.
Jeff (07:32):
Dan, he'd been dead for quite some time.
Anthony (07:36):
Ya know, it's actually just learned behavior. Man.
People aren't abusers like it'snot, you know, it's not a
natural. You don't swing onpeople to swing on people. It's
generally some shit. Like it'sjust learned behavior. Like you
saw it in your household. Yousaw how good dad gave it up and
so forth. You tend to follow theexample. I mean, you hopefully
you learned something from itand what changed but not him.
(07:58):
And I mean, it's one of thosetaken two things can be true at
once. He was a extremelytalented musician who happened
to be married to someone andtheir marriage involved physical
sexual and emotional violence.
Those two things can be true. Idon't want that to be written in
(08:23):
her obituary and like a lot ofthings because it's like it's
like happened in Tunisia likeone came from one without the
other came with an iPad Latinacame into Tijuana. I guess you
can continue to had this forexpanding career after all that
was done she did extremely wellfor herself. And that never held
her back. I think a lot of usget caught up in the move
because it was like the move wassuch the early part of their
(08:45):
career they never spoke I wasthey always should did a part to
that. Because the latter part ofher career and everything that
she went through and everythingthat she became an all the tours
and everything just howsuccessful she was after that
point. Should have really beenspoken upon. But But as we're
talking about, like, the TaylorSwift thing, because the idea of
(09:05):
legacy, like I always wondernow, like, as you as we age,
like who are our actual legacyacts. I had this conversation
with somebody I was thinkingBeyonce, but I'm like, I'm over
them. I like I don't think shewants to be Tina Turner. I don't
think she wants to be on stagewhen she's 6065 years old. She
might she might I don't know.
(09:29):
Like, like Tina Turner stillperforms Gladys Knight still
performs glass 82 Patti stillperforms Chaka Khan like those
people who are of age way aboveage and are still out there
doing whatever they're doing.
Like who was that of ourgeneration have no idea like
Taylor Swift might be thatbecause you seem like they're
gonna grow over her. She'll beseven years old from the
guitarist he needs to be seenthere with the candles and shit,
(09:50):
right? Six years old.
Jeff (09:53):
The problem is that football tables with a she only
caters to one demographic, youknow, I'm saying shit. We're not
listening to her, you know? I'mnot saying that's a bad thing.
That's her. That's her. That'sher pop. You know, that's her
demographic. That's heraudience. You know, the white
girls or whatever, young whitegirl, teenage white girls, etc.
That's her, you know? I mean,that's her audience. But black
and brown kids ain't listeningto Taylor Swift. I don't think
(10:15):
Latinos ain't listening for anychecking for Taylor Swift. But
that's how many colored peopleyou're gonna see in the audience
when you go to a Taylor Swiftshow. Not many but not not a lot
though. No, no. And that's thething like a Tina Turner or
Michael Jackson you're gonna seeall colors
Anthony (10:29):
but was Tina with Michael and with with with
Taylor their audiences travel?
Like yeah, if if Taylor Swiftwas inform him and she was
performance a in Philly, theywould all go down to Philly this
year. Like they go they travelMichael Microsoft Teams like
that. But like sit there legacyaccept people that you want to
see performance are going tokind of keep going, like Taylor
(10:49):
Swift can do the shit to Godknows when. Because they're
going to love her until she'sgone. She's She's their idol,
which is good for them. I don'thave a problem with that. But
for people of color, like who'syour legacy? Like, seriously,
like who? Who you're watching 20years from now?
Jeff (11:08):
I don't think there's a lot bro. Maybe not even I
wouldn't even say Drake, maybe aDrake? No, you didn't. I mean,
because it's like these peopledie out. It's like fads, you
know. I mean, they get out ofstyle. And the next dude comes
in,
Anthony (11:19):
he would have been told like that. I think that's a
problem. That's their biggestissue with the culture. There's,
we preach the idea of legacy.
But we don't do enough tosupport said legacy. Like, how
much longer can l do this? Howmuch longer can Buster do this?
Jeff (11:33):
Would you consider Eminem and legacy? Jay Z and ours?
Anthony (11:37):
No. Because Because the thing is that they won't
continue to talk. The legacy actisn't producing music is the
whole I'm going on tour. Comesee me. They don't do that will
take still tours. But but theybut disparate parts. And even
what will tell you like I'mlike, I'm going to see I'm not
going to see Bucha I want tosee, I'm going to see Ray
(11:58):
perform. And once he metperform, I'm going to see ghosts
before. But you're not thinkingabout I'm gonna see all of them
before. Rarely, and they'renever all there at the same time
anyway, correct. That's a wholeother part of the problem with
it. The problem was like evenone guy like Jay like you say
jay z nas, Eminem. J toes and hewants to talk. He's beyond
Ricci, he doesn't really have todo this. He dropped out when he
(12:20):
wants to. They're not dependentupon anymore. Taylor's not
really dependent upon it anymorefor being honest. But she just
loves doing it. She lovestouring, she loves the fans. I
think part of the culture ispart of hip hop, that after a
while you just kind of forgetabout the fans. And honestly, it
becomes you know, fuck the fans.
Really, the only legacy I canthink that comes to the top of
(12:40):
my mind. Sorry, Mary J. Blige.
Because she ain't gotta do much.
No big production, no big dancearound, she can kind of still
sing the song she could send andprobably do that for next 1520
years she wanted to becausethere's still an audience is
going to support her no matterwhat. But what a guy like Jay Z,
I'm gonna like, you're notreally interested in that,
because he's kind of like, well,I've got what I've got. I'm not
(13:03):
really worried about the fansanymore, because I'm not
depending upon the fans to eat,period. Now, it's not either
Eminem, not doing that either.
What the last time you're notpopped out was, of course, the
Superbowl. Who will go in,you're not going on tour, he got
nothing to show off. You gottagot no meat, no music release is
just kind of same old thing. Thething with Tina Turner, her
(13:23):
lasting legacy is like she keptperforming. Even later stages in
her life. I mean, I think shestopped performing the past
couple of years because of herhealth. But like she did that
her life was so grand. That youknow, there's a Broadway play
about her. Is there anyone thatyou can think of right now in
regards to the culture like, Iwould love to see a Broadway
show about their life by nowsays a lot. Like you always
(13:50):
wonder like, what is the impactthat people are going to have?
How is this going to go forward?
How are we how do we push itforward? To make sure that you
know, in 10 years like ifsomeone comes like I cannot wait
to see them. This is a sidebar.
Next week of the routes picnic,did he was going to be able to
route. Philly. So today,Saturday and Sunday. Did he
(14:16):
left? So the Saturday show, themain headline is going to be
Lauryn Hill. I'm kind ofinterested in it. Because from
what I heard, even though the25th anniversary of maybe the
greatest hip hop album ever. Theproblem is people who have seen
a live show, since she doesn'tsound the same. Not so great.
(14:39):
We've talked
Jeff (14:40):
about and we've talked about this, she's gonna show up
late so you got to make sure youplan ahead to stay there all
night.
Anthony (14:45):
Right. Now, the thing the legacy thing is someone who
actually came to my house isactually doing that right now.
They took off duty because ofsome unforeseen circumstances.
And they got a second headlinerwho's going to be on for Sunday.
Guess what the headline riskWill Smith fucky he's from
Philly. So I figured, oh, oh,sure. Oh, okay. See, you see,
(15:09):
let's see the look a look at theproduct really. Lauryn Hill, the
proper grader, but here actuallyit gets you to the HA. Now, I'm
in a conundrum. I would love tosee it, but I'm not going back
for two days. And do I reallywant to go into Sunday? No, I
gotta go to work Monday becauseif anything, I read the Usher
didn't anything else. I readthis he ushered in Lauryn Hill.
(15:31):
Because Asher is creating thewhole legacy acting. He has his
whole tour in Las Vegas doingthe shows and everything else
like that. And people went fromlike, this seems to be okay.
It's like, oh, I'm going now. Orshe's going to be there. There's
something about legacy. Youknow, one of the greatest hip
hop acts ever. You're like, butone of the greatest r&b acts
ever, like, oh, fuck, I gottago. Like that man has a whole
(15:53):
residency in Las Vegas thatpeople fly out to have a good
time in Vegas and go spend sometime to go see the show. That is
gonna be an understatement. NowI'm torn. But that's the part
about legacy. His career so longsaid that even now, what? 30
plus years later, you still wantto see that man sing and still
want to see that man perform.
Lauren, even though she's aindelible part of hip hop,
you're like, what do we do withthis? That's team has lasting
(16:17):
legacy even all these yearslater, her music still comes on
you hear her voice? She's thinkof the hair. You think of the
movies she did a lot a lot. Soan important thing is that we
got to keep these legends alivein our mind. We got to keep
moving things forward. It'simportant and while they can
because one month they're goingto be gone just like she is now
so rest in peace to her but wegot to step it up.
Jeff (16:43):
Speaking of legacies Did you hear this Eric be
interviewed when he was talkingabout death row East what they
wanted to do with that withTupac and almost was wanting to
do what they used to you heard
Anthony (16:53):
about that? I did not hear about that but I didn't
know about that plan before.
Jeff (16:58):
Yeah, apparently he was supposed to be like the head of
the Shariah he was gonna be
Anthony (17:02):
like basically like literally Arabic for President.
Jeff (17:05):
Right. And he they said that they were going to sign I
think he said they had signedalready Craig Mack was
supposedly the first artistsigned after his deal with bad
boy because he only had a onealbum deal with bad boy Wow. So
after that, boom, they weregonna snatch Craig Mack up he
supposed to be the first artistsign after two pocket knives
(17:26):
squash the beef knives weresupposed to Tupac wanted to do a
whole album whatnot as they saidhe was supposed to start working
on it after the mike tyson fightyou know I'm saying he was
telling his boys like yeah youknow I'm a squash it up with
knives. He's a cool dude. Youknow it was missing you know,
misunderstanding between me andhim. After this fight, I'm gonna
(17:46):
come back and I'm gonna get youknow, put everything together. I
want to do album would do. Canyou imagine a NAS and Tupac
album? I will probably still bebumping that shit today.
Anthony (17:57):
You know, it's the most hilarious thing about what you
said. You said that you heard aninterview with Eric be like,
I've never heard that man speak.
Jeff (18:06):
I know I'm like that. I'm like, is that ever be from Eric
being rock him?
Anthony (18:10):
Right? Every time you hear Eric being rock him, Eric B
never raps he just there. He'sthe producer. But But I know
what Pete Rock Sound I know whatevery producer sound like I
never heard Eric B's voice. Idon't know if everybody was the
producer the money the muscle,whatever. But
Jeff (18:26):
because you know what it is? A lot of times the producers
make sure that they're heardright like sometimes they'll say
a couple words on a song. Likeyou know puffy does that he's
gonna you're gonna hear him allthroughout the song. You might
hear Dre in the backgroundsaying hey, yeah, you don't I
mean, you're gonna hear Swissbeats saying something on a
track. Kanye you know Kanye whenhe produces a song he usually
(18:47):
does the hook. Or he's going tohave some type of dialogue like
like they let themselves beknown that they're on this track
somehow, some way right? Don'tthink you've ever really heard
Eric be like even DJ Premier Youdon't really hear him but
sometimes you'll hear him saysome like he got the song with
NAS. Nas is like where he says acouple words. He's like yo, Nas.
You ready? Ready when you allpreme? You know what I mean?
(19:09):
Like you hear him say a couplewords that you like, alright,
that's what he sounds like. Youdon't really ever hear Eric B.
You don't know what you know,he's not on every track saying
some shit in the background.
Right? And even like,
Anthony (19:19):
lose. Like a Public Enemy. He's like Terminator X.
And it's like, you know, produceit, but that was really it.
should shut until I saw that. Myexpert opinion. No, no, no, a
Rottweiler found, like, true. Iknow what it looked like. Nobody
knew what it sounded like.
That's not surprising. There'sprobably a bunch of dudes like
(19:40):
that. Yeah, yeah. Tupac want toget the fuck off of death row.
Facts. He didn't want himdifferent.
Jeff (19:48):
People forget that. He's from New York though, man. His
mom was from New York. He wasborn in New York.
Anthony (19:54):
You should really watch their mom on Hulu.
Jeff (19:56):
I did or watching them on Hulu. Yeah, watching the show.
You finished it Did you finishit? That should have been which
is dope? Yes, though. The factthat I think I talked about
already on here, the part that Ifound amazing was that they have
no footage together. No. Thedude couldn't find any footage
of them two together, except fora couple of pictures.
Anthony (20:14):
A couple of things when she was on set with him, but
that's really sad real quick.
They
Jeff (20:17):
were having lunch together. That's crazy to me.
Yo, her life was this, and he's27 years or whatever. What way
was he? 27? Right when he died?
2627 Yeah. There's no videofootage of you and your mom.
Well, that's crazy. Because Icould go in a crate right now
and find whole footage of my dadrecorded me and the fact you
know, I'm seeing from back inthe day. He had his old big ass
camera. He's recording, walkingaround the house, say something
(20:41):
to the camera.
Anthony (20:43):
But he went through so much and did so much like it's
crazy at
Jeff (20:47):
a young age jail. It makes you feel like a failure.
Sometimes when you look at theshit that he accomplished at
such a young age.
Anthony (20:54):
You know, I hear from a lot of people, I never felt that
way.
Jeff (20:59):
Because well, power to you. But I have I look at some I
mean, obviously, he's anoutlier. You know, I'm saying
he's not he's a rare occasionthat somebody in their 20s that
really didn't come fromcelebrity didn't come from a
silver spoon. And heaccomplished so much so many
albums, movies, he was acelebrity. He was a
humanitarian. He was everythingactor, musician, you know, I
(21:21):
mean, and he wasn't even 30years old. My thing some of us
are 40 trying to still figureour lives out, you don't even
know what it
Anthony (21:26):
is. Cuz you kind of realize, maybe like, if you
believe in kind of a spiritualkind of thing. The people like
that have to do it because theyhave a really bright light, it's
gonna burn a candle real fast.
Like, it's like, it's impossiblefor you to live 5060 years like
that, at that pace. Like yourbody will burn out on you or
something tragic. But what wasthe 27? Club? Him? What? River
(21:48):
Phoenix? Kurt Cobain? Like ifit's so much in a small thing?
Because he really, there's notenough time.
Jeff (22:01):
But also, do you think a lot of it had to do with the
fact that he never thought hewould live? To be you know, even
30 or even 26? Because he wouldsay, Well, I live to be 23 and
so much pain. Like he says it ina lot of his songs like he you
know, I mean? Yeah, like him inbig like, they talk about the
shit. And maybe it's just themcalling it into existence.
(22:22):
That's why they say you got tobe careful what you rap about.
You know, I mean, because you'reputting it out there in the
universe. Like Biggie talkedabout, you know, ready to die.
And all it is like, you talkabout death a lot. Death will
come knocking at your doorbecause you keep mentioning it.
So I don't know if it hassomething to do with that, or
the fact that he just thought hewas gonna die at a young age. So
he made sure to accomplish alot. Because he didn't think he
(22:43):
had a you know, a long time.
Like we could procrastinate, youknow, I'm saying we could put a
lot of shit all but if somebodytells you like, Look, man,
you're gonna die in the next twoyears. For two years, you're
gonna probably try to do as muchas you can.
Anthony (22:54):
Yeah, you will push your self to the upper limits of
your human possibilities.
Jeff (23:01):
With nothing to lose, you're not even going to be
fearing because you know, a lotof time fears what fucks us up
right? Fears what holds us backbecause you're like, damn, the
fear of failure, the fear oflosing the fear of whatever. I'm
just gonna stay on the safeside. But if you know you're
about to die, you're notworrying about failure, fear,
none of that, because it doesn'tmatter. You got nothing to lose,
right? It's like they say you doyour best work when your backs
(23:21):
up against the ropes. Yes. And Ibelieve that I truly believe
that even from my own personallife experiences, I believe that
you know, you accomplish themost when you're like your back
is up against the rope.
Anthony (23:31):
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Yes,
shit you would not do in yournormal setting. If you ain't got
no choice, you do it. And that'swhat I always tell people.
Whenever you're in a tightsituation, pull yourself away
from it. Take a moment, breathe,then reassess that same question
with a clear mind because don'tever do anything. And I mean
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anything out of desperation,because you're going to make a
mistake. But you're too worriedabout the end goal. You don't
give a fuck about how you get toit. Never make a move out of
desperation. You'll get there.
But you're going to you're goingto you might hurt a whole bunch
of people you never intended tohurt or did a whole lot of
things you never intended to doto get to that point because you
did it at a point where youshouldn't have to. Now when a
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guy like Tupac the desperationcame in a long time ago like
because like it's reallyimportant you can say Dear Mom
and then could you kind ofunderstand his psyche about it's
like never having a father andhaving should they're at the
lowest point in life like Lookman I'm gonna get this money up
all the new signs a little thingright here little three record
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deal we're gonna get you out ofjail in no time. You get him out
of jail. You never had a fatherfigure should looks after
everything that you do is cofounder whatever bullshit you
on. It don't matter. Like that'smy man. That's my little brother
right there. Like you make thatdeal with the devil. Like that.
That's a point of desperation.
Like I'm going to do anything Ican to get the fuck out of
prison. You make that deal?
Well, once you got back to thesense like this shit ain't me.
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This ain't working. That's whyhe made so much he was like I'm
gonna get these albums out ofthe way as fast as possible
could do But I want to do formyself. Now, the thing about the
death row II thing, it made awhole lot of sense, but I don't
even know if it would have beendeath row it would have been
some others. But
Jeff (25:10):
that's what I'm saying.
Because Suge obviously wouldhave still owned the name right.
But I don't know if Craig Macbeing your first artist, that
doesn't move the needle for me.
Anthony (25:20):
I can't tell because nothing ever occurred. Now if
you tell
Jeff (25:24):
me if you tell me they gonna put nice, big no Big Pun,
you know some of the best fromfrom that era together. Like oh,
shit.
Anthony (25:33):
Well, our records only as good as it's produced. I've
seen a lot of rappers withreally great produce records and
shit. So fantastic. Craig wasn'ta bad rapper. Of all the bad
boys when he probably wasn't thebest, but he was pretty good.
But having that kind ofproduction team behind him.
Yeah, it makes a whole lotdifference.
Jeff (25:48):
Well, the problem is once Biggie showed up that said,
Craig Mack was thrown to theside like I mean, we got
somebody better than you piece.
Anthony (25:54):
Right? And like I said, circumstantial, like it happened
to work out for big right?
Because some dumb shit was
Jeff (26:02):
in jail or or did it? Or did it though or did it work out
for him? It did because heprobably still be alive today.
Yeah, but if it's not for puffyand puffy, making him do that,
that record and making them goto California and putting out
who shot you like all theseshifts? Here, it's okay,
culminate in his death.
Anthony (26:19):
I'm actually following through on all this because this
whole this episode is reallyabout legacy. If you kind of
think about it, like what do youlike? Does big become like we
always do the what ifs when itcomes to hip hop? Like if big
were to live or pocket live? Idon't know. Maybe? Here's the
thing. I think big wouldprobably still be rapping. I
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think POC would start rappingout there like that the first
death row estab because memberlike, what's it when you watch
that documentary? He's a theaterkid. He loved actor he was
actually really really good atit. I think he'd been acting
forever who were like now we'llstart some shit like I'm gonna
do some movies man like this wasTwitter bread. So that's got to
show up noble lines and actmasks off you can pay me I gotta
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go on tour. None of the shit sheso easy life. The good fucking
shot at
Jeff (27:08):
Yeah, we talked about like the groups too. You know, you
always hear the rumor of MurderInc. was supposed to be DMX Jay
Z. Giroux and photos and justdidn't was it them three?
Anthony (27:19):
Yeah. And I think big one is with the Commission with
Jay, Charlie and him.
Jeff (27:28):
But these are all what ifs? They're mostly rumors.
Yeah.
Anthony (27:33):
But I mean, that's, that's important thing. Because
even now, like I said, evenlike, would there have been more
said, No, I don't think it wouldhave mattered because right now
they still leave a lastinglegacy. And that's a problem
with some people. You performyour performer, but your quality
wanes over time, then you kindof become forgettable, like
busted is not an example. But hedoesn't have that problem. He
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puts out quality material everytime that he's out. And that's
the beauty of Busta Rhymes. Hestill has it after all this
time. What as he busts aroundfor PAL, yeah, every time we
come when I'm excited about it.
But in a situation like this,something that occurs like what
we have going on right now, itdoesn't make a whole lot of
sense in regards to thinkingwhat pop would have been or what
big would have been because theystill mattered even to this day,
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decades later. That's the that'sthe thing about legacy. It still
sticks. Even though we don'thave a full fuller body of work
or more albums or more shows ormore things to contend with. You
still have something here thatlasts such a legacy that like,
it still matters. That's theimportant part with Tina's
career, even with this idea ofdeath row is the fact that they
(28:39):
wanted to leave a mark on theworld but even in debt, they
still did no matter what. That'swhat we're talking about them
today.
Jeff (28:48):
I want to finish it off.
Since we're on the topic oflegacy. I want to bring up one
of my all time favoritebasketball players, Carmelo
Anthony. He had just recentlyannounced his retirement from
the NBA. You watch the video?
Yes, that's how I found out Iwas scrolling through Twitter,
and I saw him do the video. Andyou know, he's leaving it. He's
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passing on the legacy to hisson. Basically, that's how the
video ends, right? Where he'stelling him you know, he's
passing the torch to his son,who will probably be in the NBA
with Lebron son and a coupleyears. And I just wanted to ask
you, is this like the end of anera? Like, did an era die with
his retirement? And what I meanby that is, obviously he was in
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the Lebron era and in the StephKorea, right, what you can argue
is why he didn't win achampionship but also his era, I
would categorize it as the ringchasing era, right? The super
team era where guys were joiningforces, with Lebron with Steph
Curry with whoever to try to winthese championships, right?
Because let's face it,especially where the fans were
(29:56):
guilty of this. This is youknow, when we're just when we're
discussing the greats or who hasthem championships isn't LeBron
is the Jordan right?
Championships was the thing thatwe use to define which is
flawed. I feel like weshouldn't. That shouldn't I feel
like that should be thetiebreaker. If you can't decide
between LeBron and Jordan, thenyeah, you can use championships
as the tiebreaker in my opinion,but in this drink chasing era,
Melo was one of those guys thatdid not ring Chase. At least not
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during his prime right towardsthe end of his career. He tried
to maybe try to ring chase itdidn't work out. He was past his
prime, right? It didn't work.
You played with LeBron. Lastseason. He played with, you
know, harden, and he played withPaul George. But the teams
weren't good enough. Alright.
OKC Houston, right. So he triedPortland with Dame Lillard.
Yeah. But those teams weren'tgood enough to compete with the
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LeBrons and the Warriors andstuff like that. Because these
these, these were super teams.
So my thing is, he chose hismoney. And sometimes he gets
knocked for that. That's one ofthe strikes against LeBron
against Melo. And to me, that'sa positive he chose his money
over ring Chaisson. I respectthe man for that one, too. He's
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from New York, he wanted to playfor the Knicks. So obviously,
I'm a little biased. That'sanother reason why I love this
man. Right? Because in an erawhere everybody's ring chasing,
but nobody is trying to come toNew York, right? For whatever
reason, they don't like theownership. They don't want the
pressures of the New York, thebright lights. They don't want
to be come here and be afailure. You know, everybody
(31:22):
says when you're winning in NewYork is the best thing ever. But
when you're losing, it's theworst. And nobody wants to take
that chance to come to New Yorkand fail, right? They know that
if you succeed here, you're agod. But nobody wants to take
that chance to come here andfail. Because it's too much
pressure in that middle took onthat pressure. And he says this
is where I want to be. It's justhim and Phil Jackson couldn't
(31:43):
get along. So eventually theyhad to part ways. But
ultimately, he wanted to behere. You had a chance to go and
team up with Wade and LeBron andMiami. You know, I'm saying he
had opportunities to go signwith Chicago Bulls when they had
prime Derrick Rose and, and allthese other guys. And who knows
if he would have won achampionship or not. But that's
not the path he chose, right?
He's one of the top 10 leadingscorers in NBA history. He has
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the most gold medals in historyof Olympic basketball. He has a
college championship. Okay? Heis a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Anthony (32:21):
Probably no, it's not probably depends on who's in the
class properly.
Jeff (32:27):
He's first valid dog I just told you he is the he is
top 10 all time in score, andevery other day of the nine
people are in the Hall of Fame.
Votes objective. I don't voteno, no, no. And no vote for him.
You know why? Because he neverhad a bad word with anybody. He
was so well respected around theleague. You've never heard
anybody say anything negativeabout Melo. And that's one of
the reasons why he'll get votedin even faster. Because we have
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a bad reputation and somewriters might not vote you in
right they're like ah fuck him.
He didn't want to talk to themedia mellowed spoke to the
media after every loss. Hedidn't care. He's not like
Julius Randle that he storms offafter they lose because he's
pissed off and he leaves he'snowhere to be found. Melo sat
there and took you know I meanwhatever criticism he took the
blame for every loss and I willalways respect him finish it
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okay. He was only in New Yorkfor what seven seasons it felt
like much longer than that sevenYeah, right but it felt much
longer he was in Denver for muchlonger not so even if he goes
into the hall of fame he couldprobably go in as a debit nugget
because those were his bestyears
Anthony (33:24):
he wasn't he wasn't beefy seven and a half in Denver
cuz he got traded midway throughthe season and suddenly happened
New York. Okay.
Jeff (33:33):
So again, when asked you did an era die with him because
now we're in the soft as era,right? Where people are getting
pissed off easily you're justflapping nobody wants to talk to
the media after last becausethey're pissed off. Everybody
wants to ring chase people signthe contracts and because they
just want the big money contractright but then they request to
trade immediately because theydon't want to play for the team.
(33:55):
Like you don't even want to gothrough with the obligation like
you signed the contract. Fulfillyour contract. We've seen guys
like KD dudas Kyrie James Hardenright? They sign a contract
because they want to get thismax money and then they
immediately request a tradebecause they don't want to beat
it and then they get traded towhere they want to be or
whatever like that's some softas you know. This is where we're
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at right now in sports,especially in the NBA. Right and
you can knock Melo for now ringchasing not having any
championships you could say hewasn't a great defender. He was
selfish whatever. I feel likehe's the last of a dying breed
Anthony (34:34):
well the thing about mellow smells was gonna be
mellow. Like I don't think heever he tried to bring chase in
for a year that one timeimportant but that was really
it. If you really wanted to doit like he was a free agent he
could just sign with any teamthat exactly it could be on
Boston's roster right nowcollecting the minimum or, or,
(34:54):
or shit Denver's roster, but no,that wasn't gonna work. Still
out of bad blood. They're there.
They're improving and gettingover that. But the error isn't
dead. Because it still mattersto people because it matters to
us and shouldn't matter to us.
Like I said, I always say thisevery single time. I unemotional
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invested in sports, I like agood story like a good, good
game. And that's about it. Lastnight's game was excellent. That
was a great fucking ticket. Butyou run into a situation with a
guy like Carmelo where he wasalways going to do what's best
for Carmelo good, bad orindifferent. Like he could have
asked if he had to kind of swimin New York, like it's going to
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use the MSC user in the marketinstead of trying to go to help
them out. Or waiting to makethat deal, but I'm not going to
know, divulge the past and holdthat against them, and so on so
forth. He had a long career, hemight be, quite honestly, the
best offensive player I've everseen. I mean, in literally all
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facets of the game is mid range,posting up from downtown. There
was nothing to Carmelo couldn'tdo offensively, he never was
rushed. He never was, you know,panic, nothing else like that.
He got to his spot and took hisshot and there was nothing you
can do about it. Now, thequestion I have about his legacy
is is is actually twofold. Like,could this is becoming a thing,
(36:22):
and like, I'm not either for oragainst it. But do you believe
the next year retires number
Jeff (36:29):
they're gonna. Whether they should or not, is up in the
air is up for interpretation,but they're going up because
James Dolan loves mellow. Therewas Potter having dinner
together. And like I said, in atime where nobody wanted to come
here he came. And then heresigned with us. And he said he
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wanted to be here. This is whereI want to be. To me. That's not
That's not taking the easy wayout. That's actually taking the
hard way, right. Like, I want towin here. Because I know that if
I win here, I'd be immortalizedforever. I'm a god if I win in
New York City. And he took us tothe playoffs for four straight
years, which was unheard ofyou're not I mean, we hadn't
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gotten to the playoffs in like20 years.
Anthony (37:14):
I'm sorry. I'm still tired. By the time they won the
game. They released theballoons. I'm like, come on now.
Yeah.
Jeff (37:19):
But that's where we are.
That's how sad are franchises.
You know, we win a playoff gameand they're celebrating. And he
took us to the second round, theworld's biggest appreciation
trophy, dropping the balloonplayoff with Jesus. And up until
this year when we lost in thesecond round when he 12 was the
last time we made it that far.
And it was mellow. And Amari,that took us there. Forever. So
first just for that. And thefact you know, he has the most
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points in a single game atMadison Square Garden. Well,
yeah, like 6162 points. Yeah,but that's in the record books
that might never be broken.
Anthony (37:48):
I get that. But my whole thing was always this
like, has there ever been agreat score in master Square
Garden?
Jeff (37:54):
Bernard King was, but he was only here for two years.
Right was a great prolificplayer. You know, so you can you
can argue that Melo and again,this is not saying much. And
it's not a long list or anythingbut you can argue that Melo is
one of the top two or three bestKnicks of all time.
Unfortunately, he never had achampionship so that's why guys
like Walt Clyde Frazier arealways going to be mentioned
Anthony (38:16):
even the top five but um, you know, guys like that
Patrick
Jeff (38:20):
Ewing is going to be mentioned because he has all the
records. He was here for a longtime and he got us to two
finals. I can see that he's inthe Top 10 Top Melo is in the
top five bro. Statisticallyeverything he accomplished. He's
a top five Nick of all time theonly thing he's never made it to
the finals and not many Knickshave, right so that's not even a
long list. So basically
Anthony (38:38):
you got got four guys from the 7172 Knicks.
Jeff (38:44):
You got a few people from the seven to seven days and then
you have like Patrick Ewing fromthe 90s so
Anthony (38:48):
classic read the butcher Clyde read the brochure
Pat will be for
Jeff (38:59):
maybe monarchy but no like I said he's only been here for a
couple seasons so he doesn'treally count.
Anthony (39:03):
He doesn't but it's almost like those two years
that's such an amazing impact.
Right? That was probably betweenthree and five Yeah,
Jeff (39:10):
that's what I'm telling you maybe Starks but they don't
even do he's not they don't evenhave a retired number. What was
the last number we retiredPatrick Ewing
Anthony (39:16):
stopped John start shaking. He wasn't great at all.
I'm a Knicks fan. He wasn't
Jeff (39:22):
bad. But he but yeah, but he was on those great Knicks
fans from the night Knicks teamsfrom the 90s So he's always
gonna be remembered as that youdon't I'm saying yeah, that one
iconic dunk is the same thing asOakley and Mason and all these
guys that were part of the teamsthat we remember as being the
best teams we've had in a longtime.
Anthony (39:38):
The amazing thing about John Starks that people always
talking about start from likethat's the motherfucker that
call here all the title. Yeah.
And they always say John suckslike you would have a title of
John would stop fucking shoewith a three for 18 and I
watched it he just chucking andhave a kid I'm like, Please
fucking stop, John. Seriously.
(39:58):
They're like, oh man. What aboutJohn Stark's man fuck out of
here. And that's the fun thingto do and retires number but
right retire but the thing isthat right now Denver can't
retire his number
Jeff (40:09):
why somebody's wearing yoga chest 15 Oh he does
Anthony (40:14):
get retired right now they're prior retired number
twice a yoke and for mela butthey can't retire the number
because you're still wearing itnow but
Jeff (40:23):
he didn't wear it 15 With the next
Anthony (40:25):
no he was seven with the next one who were seen it
and Denver
Jeff (40:29):
he was seven with the Lakers two
Anthony (40:31):
yeah but he's number retire with the Lakers No, no,
no, no, no. So you probably havea number you probably have a
number retired by the next youshould have a retirement and
Jeff (40:41):
him in Denver didn't really part ways and good terms.
So I don't I don't know. Theymight make him wait a little
bit, but I feel like the nextretires number immediately,
probably next year to have aceremony they'll have a mellow
day where he'll come and wave tothe fans and retire his jersey.
Anthony (40:53):
I think I think Denver has to retire his number because
Denver wasn't shit until he gotthere.
Jeff (40:58):
He might be a top two player in the history of the
nuggets. Yeah, it's probably himand joke it's
Anthony (41:04):
no top three it's him geocaching Alex English. That's
it. That's it. It's a coupleother guys have been there but
it's really those those guys.
Kiki Vandeweghe was there a fatliver was there but it's really
it's really yo kitch AlexEnglish and Carmelo Anthony
Carmela might be might be two.
You'll never be one because youcan't top a two time MVP and a
guy who's probably going to wina title this year.
Jeff (41:23):
I feel bad that his son is going to have the same problem
he had when his son makes it ifhe makes it to the NBA. He's
gonna have to deal with Lebronson. Then he's gonna always have
you know, I'm saying he's unlesshe becomes better than LeBron
son. No, he's always gonna bebehind. I mean, because like,
you're just gonna be behind thegreatest critic because of that
era.
Anthony (41:42):
The thing about Keanu is I don't know if he's gonna be
outshine his father because, Imean, this is not even me being
like funny. Like, I don't knowhow much taller he's going to
grow. Like Carmelo being sixfoot 720 40 pounds is the
massive advantage. He's tooquick, and he's too strong. So
I'm like, young Carmela couldcould jump like he can get up
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there. So I don't know if Qianis gonna be able to develop or I
mean, the skill is going to bethere because of his father. But
the question is going to belike, is he going to be able to
actually grow tall enough likeeven brawny Brian is only like
six to six threes father682 141 50 pounds, like, you're
not your father. You have to beyour own person. You have to
have his name. But I mean that Imean, karma left a lasting
(42:24):
impact on everybody. On playerson fans. Like everybody,
everybody wanted to have likethe straight backs with the
bandana. Like basicallybasically human aI had that look
going forward. But I mean, theway he wasn't Denver like the
counterpoint to LeBron James, Isaid it came in the same time.
He won Rookie of the Year, notLebron James. That's how
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talented and how amazing Melowas at that time. He still is.
Like said 19 years is nothingthat's enough about me. People
to work 19 years at a regularfucking job doing it in the NBA.
Since you've been 19 years old,and three time Olympic champion
I mean, maybe the greatestSyracuse Orangemen of all time,
quite possibly the greatestnugget of all time. It's not
(43:08):
because of your age, but no doyou have these things these
things occur? And the fact thathe got to this point so far in
his career, man, just kudos so Ijust hope he enjoys retirement,
with his foundations and thingslike that and keeps trying to
uplift and build communities andI'm not gonna complain about it.
I mean, just stay mellow.
Jeff (43:23):
And congrats to him. On his retirement, yo, William
Shakespeare said no legacy is soriche as honesty. The greatest
legacy one can pass on to one'schildren and grandchildren is
not money but rather a legacy ofcharacter and faith. What you
leave behind is not what isengraved in stone monuments, but
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what is woven into the lives ofothers. Pericles thank you for
tuning in. We're gonna try togive you more content this week.
But a lot going on. Weappreciate y'all
Anthony (43:56):
Yes, Morita. Yes, Calm the fuck down man.
Jeff (43:59):
The culture dot one. Happy Memorial Day. til next time
Anthony (44:03):
go gruesome shit
Jeff (44:04):
peace.
to another episode of the culture, it's your boy Jeff, my
(00:04):
co host Anthony.
Anthony (00:07):
Welcome to the life and times of white people as a great
title, The Life and Times ofwhite people
Jeff (00:16):
now answer for white people today.
Anthony (00:18):
No cool couple for I know we're not before we even
get into that, you know, becauseyou were talking about white
people some other shit we'retalking about. They're like, you
see how white people and crazyTaylor Swift shit?
Jeff (00:28):
I haven't heard about that. What is it a concert.
Anthony (00:32):
She performed that Meadowlands yesterday and today,
well, ya know, Friday andSaturday. And it was out there
like five, six hours before theshow. They were out there
tailgating. They had tents upand shit listening to Taylor
Swift treating, like war storiesfrom CIT and it was packed. It
was even all over the news.
Crazy. They're loyal as fuck to.
(00:53):
And you don't necessarily wantanything? Because because we're
going to talk about somebody whopassed. So it's like, it's the
whole loyalty question is it'sthat frame of mind. Okay, remind
me that
Jeff (01:04):
I have a co worker who bought tickets like at the
beginning when they would havean issues with Ticketmaster. I
have a co worker who was like inthe fan club or something. So
she had like early access to thetickets. So she managed to get a
bunch of tickets for like herher daughter and all her friends
or whatever.
Anthony (01:19):
Did she tell you how much
Jeff (01:20):
Yeah, I think she I think it was some it was cheap,
though. You know, take as it wasbefore the whole shoot went
crazy, right? So I remembertelling her like, you know, we
should just sell these shoes,bro. Because these shoes are
going for 1000s of dollars eachnow. She got them for like, you
know, a couple $100 Each orsomething like that. And I was
like, Yo, they're selling thesejust for like 1000 each. She was
(01:42):
like, Yeah, but I can't tell mydaughter now what I'm gonna tell
my daughter. I'm like, sureunderstand, bro. You could put
her through college with thisshit. Fuck she had like 10
tickets. Tell her Are you gonnamake like 10 grand with them?
She's tell your daughter
Anthony (01:54):
that in life. Adults have to make choices that make
rational sense. If I bought itfor 200 and I could sell it for
2000 That's what we like to calla profit. So she bought she
bought 10 tickets but you'reonly aware of her her and her
daughter fuck the other eight.
Well, they're supposed to belike for our friend. Yes, I'm
sure like that. My friendsbetter come up with that money.
Jeff (02:16):
I'm like, yo show understand, bro, I'll I'm
selling these tickets. If I wasable to get early access to
Taylor Swift tickets, and thenTicketmaster fucking shut down
and share froze because too manymonths ago was trying to buy the
shit. I'm selling the shirts.
Anthony (02:30):
You look funky as ticket broker. You hustle.
Jeff (02:33):
I would sell them shirts make 1,000% profit. You're about
to get scammed my kid my kidwill have to understand like,
Dude, look, I'll take you toDisney assumption. With this
money. We could go for Disneynow.
Anthony (02:45):
Like, like you were about Taylor Swift. We could
have a literally a Ford a threeday, four night fucking
excursion to Disney. All paid,not worry about shit. Or you say
oh, we're at the top of giantstadium and watch Taylor Swift.
I'll let you choose. If yourchild chooses the opposite of
(03:07):
the Disney thing, then youshould probably have a real
conversation with your kid. Theymight not be too smart.
Decisions, man. Lack of a lackof brain power. Like I thought
you'd be smarter than this. Idon't read books. You know, the
kind of shit is real dumb ofyou.
Jeff (03:19):
It's called fiscal responsibility.
Anthony (03:21):
Trust me. That means we can fly. We eat Goodbye, little
Mickey Mouse ears with a littlename on it. We get all the shit
and still have money to spare.
But you want to go to thisconcert? I have failed as a
parent.
Jeff (03:35):
Sometimes you got to make executive decisions, man.
Anthony (03:38):
What you mean you're a parent until he turned 18
They're all executive decisions.
Exactly. But we ain't doingthis. But But dad dad my ass we
ain't doing this. Now package itwe're going to Disney.
Jeff (03:51):
Yo shout out to the coach crew y'all should have received
merch by now. I sent him somenice T shirts you
Anthony (03:57):
sent him a bag a week?
Jeff (03:59):
No because although it's legal here it might not be legal
in every state so you know I'mnot trying to look at all the
state's regulations and
Anthony (04:11):
wanting her to hurt nobody
Jeff (04:12):
culture weed yeah we write this down we could probably
start some shit yeah but but theculture dispensary
Anthony (04:20):
yeah but on the back but the culture symbol on the
front of it that's it Yep.
Jeff (04:25):
We're flavors where we have
Anthony (04:28):
strong really fucking strong in my head hurts the
culture PIF. Culture.
Absolutely.
Jeff (04:42):
Let me get that culture.
Anthony (04:46):
Roll up like I'm doing this for the culture like
exactly.
Jeff (04:50):
You leave a comment and a review on our shit. You get a
free baggie. You get a nickel,you get a nickel.
Anthony (04:57):
You get a tray back $3 worth of weed is these steep
recession and inflation prices.
Jeff (05:05):
I'm gonna bring a big garbage bag back from Jamaica.
When I go to Jamaica November,
Anthony (05:09):
you know how hard it had to be back in the day. So
tray bags we fried out subpop
Jeff (05:16):
You'll remember when MOFA was used to only sell Nixon
dimes. Yeah, like that's justgone right now it's just like
you either get a pre rolled oryou get ounces.
Anthony (05:27):
You know what they treatment shit like meat. Like,
you got to buy it by the pound.
Jeff (05:32):
Let me get this one right here. This is tender is this
tenderized?
Anthony (05:35):
Like when you go to when you go to store and go to
deli counter, you be like, Iwant to dollar for cheese. Like
I want $2 Like, like I went andwe got away that way. I gotta
get $15 worth of wheat or 16,000with wheat. Like I can't afford
an ounce but I can do $18 worthof wheat they put on little
scale do a little math likeyou're eating outward to be like
(05:56):
Okay, thank you. Like you saidyou treat me like a deli counter
like it's no fit them out.
Because what the Nixon dimeslike he was just like he was
like a fucking antique dealer.
You hold the bag and look atlike, a little thin 20 season
that were like you inspectingthe ship. Now it's like, every
everything, even littledispensaries and I still in
(06:17):
phase one and I'm planning onbecause I don't want either.
Because the whole idea of somight give us a government ID to
buy weed like I know. I know.
Plenty of weed dealers. Theynever ask no Id ever based like,
Yo, you got it. Cool. We're goodto go.
Jeff (06:30):
But yo, you spoke about a death. earlier. Let's just was
mentioned that off the top. Restin peace to late great Tina
Turner. Yes. What was she like?
80? Song 8583 83? Yeah. I'm notgonna say that was young. But
she was still full of life. Youknow? I mean, she didn't seem
(06:50):
her age. She didn't seem old.
Anthony (06:55):
Yeah, I mean, she was dealing with health issues for a
while. And I mean, she lived afar life because she died in
Switzerland. And we're like, oh,like she passed away at a
nursing home and she'll be like,Oh, I died at my big ass mansion
in Switzerland. That's livingright there. That's good. Yo, I
appreciate it. That is Ike stillalive. No, I did.
Jeff (07:16):
Oh, I was gonna say I'm waiting for that interview.
Anthony (07:19):
I had been as mafic I'm gonna go ahead and pull up right
now.
Jeff (07:24):
He never told us why used to be highest right
Anthony (07:28):
now he died in two dancer.
Jeff (07:32):
Dan, he'd been dead for quite some time.
Anthony (07:36):
Ya know, it's actually just learned behavior. Man.
People aren't abusers like it'snot, you know, it's not a
natural. You don't swing onpeople to swing on people. It's
generally some shit. Like it'sjust learned behavior. Like you
saw it in your household. Yousaw how good dad gave it up and
so forth. You tend to follow theexample. I mean, you hopefully
you learned something from itand what changed but not him.
(07:58):
And I mean, it's one of thosetaken two things can be true at
once. He was a extremelytalented musician who happened
to be married to someone andtheir marriage involved physical
sexual and emotional violence.
Those two things can be true. Idon't want that to be written in
(08:23):
her obituary and like a lot ofthings because it's like it's
like happened in Tunisia likeone came from one without the
other came with an iPad Latinacame into Tijuana. I guess you
can continue to had this forexpanding career after all that
was done she did extremely wellfor herself. And that never held
her back. I think a lot of usget caught up in the move
because it was like the move wassuch the early part of their
(08:45):
career they never spoke I wasthey always should did a part to
that. Because the latter part ofher career and everything that
she went through and everythingthat she became an all the tours
and everything just howsuccessful she was after that
point. Should have really beenspoken upon. But But as we're
talking about, like, the TaylorSwift thing, because the idea of
(09:05):
legacy, like I always wondernow, like, as you as we age,
like who are our actual legacyacts. I had this conversation
with somebody I was thinkingBeyonce, but I'm like, I'm over
them. I like I don't think shewants to be Tina Turner. I don't
think she wants to be on stagewhen she's 6065 years old. She
might she might I don't know.
(09:29):
Like, like Tina Turner stillperforms Gladys Knight still
performs glass 82 Patti stillperforms Chaka Khan like those
people who are of age way aboveage and are still out there
doing whatever they're doing.
Like who was that of ourgeneration have no idea like
Taylor Swift might be thatbecause you seem like they're
gonna grow over her. She'll beseven years old from the
guitarist he needs to be seenthere with the candles and shit,
(09:50):
right? Six years old.
Jeff (09:53):
The problem is that football tables with a she only
caters to one demographic, youknow, I'm saying shit. We're not
listening to her, you know? I'mnot saying that's a bad thing.
That's her. That's her. That'sher pop. You know, that's her
demographic. That's heraudience. You know, the white
girls or whatever, young whitegirl, teenage white girls, etc.
That's her, you know? I mean,that's her audience. But black
and brown kids ain't listeningto Taylor Swift. I don't think
(10:15):
Latinos ain't listening for anychecking for Taylor Swift. But
that's how many colored peopleyou're gonna see in the audience
when you go to a Taylor Swiftshow. Not many but not not a lot
though. No, no. And that's thething like a Tina Turner or
Michael Jackson you're gonna seeall colors
Anthony (10:29):
but was Tina with Michael and with with with
Taylor their audiences travel?
Like yeah, if if Taylor Swiftwas inform him and she was
performance a in Philly, theywould all go down to Philly this
year. Like they go they travelMichael Microsoft Teams like
that. But like sit there legacyaccept people that you want to
see performance are going tokind of keep going, like Taylor
(10:49):
Swift can do the shit to Godknows when. Because they're
going to love her until she'sgone. She's She's their idol,
which is good for them. I don'thave a problem with that. But
for people of color, like who'syour legacy? Like, seriously,
like who? Who you're watching 20years from now?
Jeff (11:08):
I don't think there's a lot bro. Maybe not even I
wouldn't even say Drake, maybe aDrake? No, you didn't. I mean,
because it's like these peopledie out. It's like fads, you
know. I mean, they get out ofstyle. And the next dude comes
in,
Anthony (11:19):
he would have been told like that. I think that's a
problem. That's their biggestissue with the culture. There's,
we preach the idea of legacy.
But we don't do enough tosupport said legacy. Like, how
much longer can l do this? Howmuch longer can Buster do this?
Jeff (11:33):
Would you consider Eminem and legacy? Jay Z and ours?
Anthony (11:37):
No. Because Because the thing is that they won't
continue to talk. The legacy actisn't producing music is the
whole I'm going on tour. Comesee me. They don't do that will
take still tours. But but theybut disparate parts. And even
what will tell you like I'mlike, I'm going to see I'm not
going to see Bucha I want tosee, I'm going to see Ray
(11:58):
perform. And once he metperform, I'm going to see ghosts
before. But you're not thinkingabout I'm gonna see all of them
before. Rarely, and they'renever all there at the same time
anyway, correct. That's a wholeother part of the problem with
it. The problem was like evenone guy like Jay like you say
jay z nas, Eminem. J toes and hewants to talk. He's beyond
Ricci, he doesn't really have todo this. He dropped out when he
(12:20):
wants to. They're not dependentupon anymore. Taylor's not
really dependent upon it anymorefor being honest. But she just
loves doing it. She lovestouring, she loves the fans. I
think part of the culture ispart of hip hop, that after a
while you just kind of forgetabout the fans. And honestly, it
becomes you know, fuck the fans.
Really, the only legacy I canthink that comes to the top of
(12:40):
my mind. Sorry, Mary J. Blige.
Because she ain't gotta do much.
No big production, no big dancearound, she can kind of still
sing the song she could send andprobably do that for next 1520
years she wanted to becausethere's still an audience is
going to support her no matterwhat. But what a guy like Jay Z,
I'm gonna like, you're notreally interested in that,
because he's kind of like, well,I've got what I've got. I'm not
(13:03):
really worried about the fansanymore, because I'm not
depending upon the fans to eat,period. Now, it's not either
Eminem, not doing that either.
What the last time you're notpopped out was, of course, the
Superbowl. Who will go in,you're not going on tour, he got
nothing to show off. You gottagot no meat, no music release is
just kind of same old thing. Thething with Tina Turner, her
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lasting legacy is like she keptperforming. Even later stages in
her life. I mean, I think shestopped performing the past
couple of years because of herhealth. But like she did that
her life was so grand. That youknow, there's a Broadway play
about her. Is there anyone thatyou can think of right now in
regards to the culture like, Iwould love to see a Broadway
show about their life by nowsays a lot. Like you always
(13:50):
wonder like, what is the impactthat people are going to have?
How is this going to go forward?
How are we how do we push itforward? To make sure that you
know, in 10 years like ifsomeone comes like I cannot wait
to see them. This is a sidebar.
Next week of the routes picnic,did he was going to be able to
route. Philly. So today,Saturday and Sunday. Did he
(14:16):
left? So the Saturday show, themain headline is going to be
Lauryn Hill. I'm kind ofinterested in it. Because from
what I heard, even though the25th anniversary of maybe the
greatest hip hop album ever. Theproblem is people who have seen
a live show, since she doesn'tsound the same. Not so great.
(14:39):
We've talked
Jeff (14:40):
about and we've talked about this, she's gonna show up
late so you got to make sure youplan ahead to stay there all
night.
Anthony (14:45):
Right. Now, the thing the legacy thing is someone who
actually came to my house isactually doing that right now.
They took off duty because ofsome unforeseen circumstances.
And they got a second headlinerwho's going to be on for Sunday.
Guess what the headline riskWill Smith fucky he's from
Philly. So I figured, oh, oh,sure. Oh, okay. See, you see,
(15:09):
let's see the look a look at theproduct really. Lauryn Hill, the
proper grader, but here actuallyit gets you to the HA. Now, I'm
in a conundrum. I would love tosee it, but I'm not going back
for two days. And do I reallywant to go into Sunday? No, I
gotta go to work Monday becauseif anything, I read the Usher
didn't anything else. I readthis he ushered in Lauryn Hill.
(15:31):
Because Asher is creating thewhole legacy acting. He has his
whole tour in Las Vegas doingthe shows and everything else
like that. And people went fromlike, this seems to be okay.
It's like, oh, I'm going now. Orshe's going to be there. There's
something about legacy. Youknow, one of the greatest hip
hop acts ever. You're like, butone of the greatest r&b acts
ever, like, oh, fuck, I gottago. Like that man has a whole
(15:53):
residency in Las Vegas thatpeople fly out to have a good
time in Vegas and go spend sometime to go see the show. That is
gonna be an understatement. NowI'm torn. But that's the part
about legacy. His career so longsaid that even now, what? 30
plus years later, you still wantto see that man sing and still
want to see that man perform.
Lauren, even though she's aindelible part of hip hop,
you're like, what do we do withthis? That's team has lasting
(16:17):
legacy even all these yearslater, her music still comes on
you hear her voice? She's thinkof the hair. You think of the
movies she did a lot a lot. Soan important thing is that we
got to keep these legends alivein our mind. We got to keep
moving things forward. It'simportant and while they can
because one month they're goingto be gone just like she is now
so rest in peace to her but wegot to step it up.
Jeff (16:43):
Speaking of legacies Did you hear this Eric be
interviewed when he was talkingabout death row East what they
wanted to do with that withTupac and almost was wanting to
do what they used to you heard
Anthony (16:53):
about that? I did not hear about that but I didn't
know about that plan before.
Jeff (16:58):
Yeah, apparently he was supposed to be like the head of
the Shariah he was gonna be
Anthony (17:02):
like basically like literally Arabic for President.
Jeff (17:05):
Right. And he they said that they were going to sign I
think he said they had signedalready Craig Mack was
supposedly the first artistsigned after his deal with bad
boy because he only had a onealbum deal with bad boy Wow. So
after that, boom, they weregonna snatch Craig Mack up he
supposed to be the first artistsign after two pocket knives
(17:26):
squash the beef knives weresupposed to Tupac wanted to do a
whole album whatnot as they saidhe was supposed to start working
on it after the mike tyson fightyou know I'm saying he was
telling his boys like yeah youknow I'm a squash it up with
knives. He's a cool dude. Youknow it was missing you know,
misunderstanding between me andhim. After this fight, I'm gonna
(17:46):
come back and I'm gonna get youknow, put everything together. I
want to do album would do. Canyou imagine a NAS and Tupac
album? I will probably still bebumping that shit today.
Anthony (17:57):
You know, it's the most hilarious thing about what you
said. You said that you heard aninterview with Eric be like,
I've never heard that man speak.
Jeff (18:06):
I know I'm like that. I'm like, is that ever be from Eric
being rock him?
Anthony (18:10):
Right? Every time you hear Eric being rock him, Eric B
never raps he just there. He'sthe producer. But But I know
what Pete Rock Sound I know whatevery producer sound like I
never heard Eric B's voice. Idon't know if everybody was the
producer the money the muscle,whatever. But
Jeff (18:26):
because you know what it is? A lot of times the producers
make sure that they're heardright like sometimes they'll say
a couple words on a song. Likeyou know puffy does that he's
gonna you're gonna hear him allthroughout the song. You might
hear Dre in the backgroundsaying hey, yeah, you don't I
mean, you're gonna hear Swissbeats saying something on a
track. Kanye you know Kanye whenhe produces a song he usually
(18:47):
does the hook. Or he's going tohave some type of dialogue like
like they let themselves beknown that they're on this track
somehow, some way right? Don'tthink you've ever really heard
Eric be like even DJ Premier Youdon't really hear him but
sometimes you'll hear him saysome like he got the song with
NAS. Nas is like where he says acouple words. He's like yo, Nas.
You ready? Ready when you allpreme? You know what I mean?
(19:09):
Like you hear him say a couplewords that you like, alright,
that's what he sounds like. Youdon't really ever hear Eric B.
You don't know what you know,he's not on every track saying
some shit in the background.
Right? And even like,
Anthony (19:19):
lose. Like a Public Enemy. He's like Terminator X.
And it's like, you know, produceit, but that was really it.
should shut until I saw that. Myexpert opinion. No, no, no, a
Rottweiler found, like, true. Iknow what it looked like. Nobody
knew what it sounded like.
That's not surprising. There'sprobably a bunch of dudes like
(19:40):
that. Yeah, yeah. Tupac want toget the fuck off of death row.
Facts. He didn't want himdifferent.
Jeff (19:48):
People forget that. He's from New York though, man. His
mom was from New York. He wasborn in New York.
Anthony (19:54):
You should really watch their mom on Hulu.
Jeff (19:56):
I did or watching them on Hulu. Yeah, watching the show.
You finished it Did you finishit? That should have been which
is dope? Yes, though. The factthat I think I talked about
already on here, the part that Ifound amazing was that they have
no footage together. No. Thedude couldn't find any footage
of them two together, except fora couple of pictures.
Anthony (20:14):
A couple of things when she was on set with him, but
that's really sad real quick.
They
Jeff (20:17):
were having lunch together. That's crazy to me.
Yo, her life was this, and he's27 years or whatever. What way
was he? 27? Right when he died?
2627 Yeah. There's no videofootage of you and your mom.
Well, that's crazy. Because Icould go in a crate right now
and find whole footage of my dadrecorded me and the fact you
know, I'm seeing from back inthe day. He had his old big ass
camera. He's recording, walkingaround the house, say something
(20:41):
to the camera.
Anthony (20:43):
But he went through so much and did so much like it's
crazy at
Jeff (20:47):
a young age jail. It makes you feel like a failure.
Sometimes when you look at theshit that he accomplished at
such a young age.
Anthony (20:54):
You know, I hear from a lot of people, I never felt that
way.
Jeff (20:59):
Because well, power to you. But I have I look at some I
mean, obviously, he's anoutlier. You know, I'm saying
he's not he's a rare occasionthat somebody in their 20s that
really didn't come fromcelebrity didn't come from a
silver spoon. And heaccomplished so much so many
albums, movies, he was acelebrity. He was a
humanitarian. He was everythingactor, musician, you know, I
(21:21):
mean, and he wasn't even 30years old. My thing some of us
are 40 trying to still figureour lives out, you don't even
know what it
Anthony (21:26):
is. Cuz you kind of realize, maybe like, if you
believe in kind of a spiritualkind of thing. The people like
that have to do it because theyhave a really bright light, it's
gonna burn a candle real fast.
Like, it's like, it's impossiblefor you to live 5060 years like
that, at that pace. Like yourbody will burn out on you or
something tragic. But what wasthe 27? Club? Him? What? River
(21:48):
Phoenix? Kurt Cobain? Like ifit's so much in a small thing?
Because he really, there's notenough time.
Jeff (22:01):
But also, do you think a lot of it had to do with the
fact that he never thought hewould live? To be you know, even
30 or even 26? Because he wouldsay, Well, I live to be 23 and
so much pain. Like he says it ina lot of his songs like he you
know, I mean? Yeah, like him inbig like, they talk about the
shit. And maybe it's just themcalling it into existence.
(22:22):
That's why they say you got tobe careful what you rap about.
You know, I mean, because you'reputting it out there in the
universe. Like Biggie talkedabout, you know, ready to die.
And all it is like, you talkabout death a lot. Death will
come knocking at your doorbecause you keep mentioning it.
So I don't know if it hassomething to do with that, or
the fact that he just thought hewas gonna die at a young age. So
he made sure to accomplish alot. Because he didn't think he
(22:43):
had a you know, a long time.
Like we could procrastinate, youknow, I'm saying we could put a
lot of shit all but if somebodytells you like, Look, man,
you're gonna die in the next twoyears. For two years, you're
gonna probably try to do as muchas you can.
Anthony (22:54):
Yeah, you will push your self to the upper limits of
your human possibilities.
Jeff (23:01):
With nothing to lose, you're not even going to be
fearing because you know, a lotof time fears what fucks us up
right? Fears what holds us backbecause you're like, damn, the
fear of failure, the fear oflosing the fear of whatever. I'm
just gonna stay on the safeside. But if you know you're
about to die, you're notworrying about failure, fear,
none of that, because it doesn'tmatter. You got nothing to lose,
right? It's like they say you doyour best work when your backs
(23:21):
up against the ropes. Yes. And Ibelieve that I truly believe
that even from my own personallife experiences, I believe that
you know, you accomplish themost when you're like your back
is up against the rope.
Anthony (23:31):
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Yes,
shit you would not do in yournormal setting. If you ain't got
no choice, you do it. And that'swhat I always tell people.
Whenever you're in a tightsituation, pull yourself away
from it. Take a moment, breathe,then reassess that same question
with a clear mind because don'tever do anything. And I mean
(23:52):
anything out of desperation,because you're going to make a
mistake. But you're too worriedabout the end goal. You don't
give a fuck about how you get toit. Never make a move out of
desperation. You'll get there.
But you're going to you're goingto you might hurt a whole bunch
of people you never intended tohurt or did a whole lot of
things you never intended to doto get to that point because you
did it at a point where youshouldn't have to. Now when a
(24:12):
guy like Tupac the desperationcame in a long time ago like
because like it's reallyimportant you can say Dear Mom
and then could you kind ofunderstand his psyche about it's
like never having a father andhaving should they're at the
lowest point in life like Lookman I'm gonna get this money up
all the new signs a little thingright here little three record
(24:33):
deal we're gonna get you out ofjail in no time. You get him out
of jail. You never had a fatherfigure should looks after
everything that you do is cofounder whatever bullshit you
on. It don't matter. Like that'smy man. That's my little brother
right there. Like you make thatdeal with the devil. Like that.
That's a point of desperation.
Like I'm going to do anything Ican to get the fuck out of
prison. You make that deal?
Well, once you got back to thesense like this shit ain't me.
(24:53):
This ain't working. That's whyhe made so much he was like I'm
gonna get these albums out ofthe way as fast as possible
could do But I want to do formyself. Now, the thing about the
death row II thing, it made awhole lot of sense, but I don't
even know if it would have beendeath row it would have been
some others. But
Jeff (25:10):
that's what I'm saying.
Because Suge obviously wouldhave still owned the name right.
But I don't know if Craig Macbeing your first artist, that
doesn't move the needle for me.
Anthony (25:20):
I can't tell because nothing ever occurred. Now if
you tell
Jeff (25:24):
me if you tell me they gonna put nice, big no Big Pun,
you know some of the best fromfrom that era together. Like oh,
shit.
Anthony (25:33):
Well, our records only as good as it's produced. I've
seen a lot of rappers withreally great produce records and
shit. So fantastic. Craig wasn'ta bad rapper. Of all the bad
boys when he probably wasn't thebest, but he was pretty good.
But having that kind ofproduction team behind him.
Yeah, it makes a whole lotdifference.
Jeff (25:48):
Well, the problem is once Biggie showed up that said,
Craig Mack was thrown to theside like I mean, we got
somebody better than you piece.
Anthony (25:54):
Right? And like I said, circumstantial, like it happened
to work out for big right?
Because some dumb shit was
Jeff (26:02):
in jail or or did it? Or did it though or did it work out
for him? It did because heprobably still be alive today.
Yeah, but if it's not for puffyand puffy, making him do that,
that record and making them goto California and putting out
who shot you like all theseshifts? Here, it's okay,
culminate in his death.
Anthony (26:19):
I'm actually following through on all this because this
whole this episode is reallyabout legacy. If you kind of
think about it, like what do youlike? Does big become like we
always do the what ifs when itcomes to hip hop? Like if big
were to live or pocket live? Idon't know. Maybe? Here's the
thing. I think big wouldprobably still be rapping. I
(26:40):
think POC would start rappingout there like that the first
death row estab because memberlike, what's it when you watch
that documentary? He's a theaterkid. He loved actor he was
actually really really good atit. I think he'd been acting
forever who were like now we'llstart some shit like I'm gonna
do some movies man like this wasTwitter bread. So that's got to
show up noble lines and actmasks off you can pay me I gotta
(27:01):
go on tour. None of the shit sheso easy life. The good fucking
shot at
Jeff (27:08):
Yeah, we talked about like the groups too. You know, you
always hear the rumor of MurderInc. was supposed to be DMX Jay
Z. Giroux and photos and justdidn't was it them three?
Anthony (27:19):
Yeah. And I think big one is with the Commission with
Jay, Charlie and him.
Jeff (27:28):
But these are all what ifs? They're mostly rumors.
Yeah.
Anthony (27:33):
But I mean, that's, that's important thing. Because
even now, like I said, evenlike, would there have been more
said, No, I don't think it wouldhave mattered because right now
they still leave a lastinglegacy. And that's a problem
with some people. You performyour performer, but your quality
wanes over time, then you kindof become forgettable, like
busted is not an example. But hedoesn't have that problem. He
(27:56):
puts out quality material everytime that he's out. And that's
the beauty of Busta Rhymes. Hestill has it after all this
time. What as he busts aroundfor PAL, yeah, every time we
come when I'm excited about it.
But in a situation like this,something that occurs like what
we have going on right now, itdoesn't make a whole lot of
sense in regards to thinkingwhat pop would have been or what
big would have been because theystill mattered even to this day,
(28:17):
decades later. That's the that'sthe thing about legacy. It still
sticks. Even though we don'thave a full fuller body of work
or more albums or more shows ormore things to contend with. You
still have something here thatlasts such a legacy that like,
it still matters. That's theimportant part with Tina's
career, even with this idea ofdeath row is the fact that they
(28:39):
wanted to leave a mark on theworld but even in debt, they
still did no matter what. That'swhat we're talking about them
today.
Jeff (28:48):
I want to finish it off.
Since we're on the topic oflegacy. I want to bring up one
of my all time favoritebasketball players, Carmelo
Anthony. He had just recentlyannounced his retirement from
the NBA. You watch the video?
Yes, that's how I found out Iwas scrolling through Twitter,
and I saw him do the video. Andyou know, he's leaving it. He's
(29:11):
passing on the legacy to hisson. Basically, that's how the
video ends, right? Where he'stelling him you know, he's
passing the torch to his son,who will probably be in the NBA
with Lebron son and a coupleyears. And I just wanted to ask
you, is this like the end of anera? Like, did an era die with
his retirement? And what I meanby that is, obviously he was in
(29:34):
the Lebron era and in the StephKorea, right, what you can argue
is why he didn't win achampionship but also his era, I
would categorize it as the ringchasing era, right? The super
team era where guys were joiningforces, with Lebron with Steph
Curry with whoever to try to winthese championships, right?
Because let's face it,especially where the fans were
(29:56):
guilty of this. This is youknow, when we're just when we're
discussing the greats or who hasthem championships isn't LeBron
is the Jordan right?
Championships was the thing thatwe use to define which is
flawed. I feel like weshouldn't. That shouldn't I feel
like that should be thetiebreaker. If you can't decide
between LeBron and Jordan, thenyeah, you can use championships
as the tiebreaker in my opinion,but in this drink chasing era,
Melo was one of those guys thatdid not ring Chase. At least not
(30:19):
during his prime right towardsthe end of his career. He tried
to maybe try to ring chase itdidn't work out. He was past his
prime, right? It didn't work.
You played with LeBron. Lastseason. He played with, you
know, harden, and he played withPaul George. But the teams
weren't good enough. Alright.
OKC Houston, right. So he triedPortland with Dame Lillard.
Yeah. But those teams weren'tgood enough to compete with the
(30:39):
LeBrons and the Warriors andstuff like that. Because these
these, these were super teams.
So my thing is, he chose hismoney. And sometimes he gets
knocked for that. That's one ofthe strikes against LeBron
against Melo. And to me, that'sa positive he chose his money
over ring Chaisson. I respectthe man for that one, too. He's
(31:01):
from New York, he wanted to playfor the Knicks. So obviously,
I'm a little biased. That'sanother reason why I love this
man. Right? Because in an erawhere everybody's ring chasing,
but nobody is trying to come toNew York, right? For whatever
reason, they don't like theownership. They don't want the
pressures of the New York, thebright lights. They don't want
to be come here and be afailure. You know, everybody
(31:22):
says when you're winning in NewYork is the best thing ever. But
when you're losing, it's theworst. And nobody wants to take
that chance to come to New Yorkand fail, right? They know that
if you succeed here, you're agod. But nobody wants to take
that chance to come here andfail. Because it's too much
pressure in that middle took onthat pressure. And he says this
is where I want to be. It's justhim and Phil Jackson couldn't
(31:43):
get along. So eventually theyhad to part ways. But
ultimately, he wanted to behere. You had a chance to go and
team up with Wade and LeBron andMiami. You know, I'm saying he
had opportunities to go signwith Chicago Bulls when they had
prime Derrick Rose and, and allthese other guys. And who knows
if he would have won achampionship or not. But that's
not the path he chose, right?
He's one of the top 10 leadingscorers in NBA history. He has
(32:05):
the most gold medals in historyof Olympic basketball. He has a
college championship. Okay? Heis a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Anthony (32:21):
Probably no, it's not probably depends on who's in the
class properly.
Jeff (32:27):
He's first valid dog I just told you he is the he is
top 10 all time in score, andevery other day of the nine
people are in the Hall of Fame.
Votes objective. I don't voteno, no, no. And no vote for him.
You know why? Because he neverhad a bad word with anybody. He
was so well respected around theleague. You've never heard
anybody say anything negativeabout Melo. And that's one of
the reasons why he'll get votedin even faster. Because we have
(32:49):
a bad reputation and somewriters might not vote you in
right they're like ah fuck him.
He didn't want to talk to themedia mellowed spoke to the
media after every loss. Hedidn't care. He's not like
Julius Randle that he storms offafter they lose because he's
pissed off and he leaves he'snowhere to be found. Melo sat
there and took you know I meanwhatever criticism he took the
blame for every loss and I willalways respect him finish it
(33:10):
okay. He was only in New Yorkfor what seven seasons it felt
like much longer than that sevenYeah, right but it felt much
longer he was in Denver for muchlonger not so even if he goes
into the hall of fame he couldprobably go in as a debit nugget
because those were his bestyears
Anthony (33:24):
he wasn't he wasn't beefy seven and a half in Denver
cuz he got traded midway throughthe season and suddenly happened
New York. Okay.
Jeff (33:33):
So again, when asked you did an era die with him because
now we're in the soft as era,right? Where people are getting
pissed off easily you're justflapping nobody wants to talk to
the media after last becausethey're pissed off. Everybody
wants to ring chase people signthe contracts and because they
just want the big money contractright but then they request to
trade immediately because theydon't want to play for the team.
(33:55):
Like you don't even want to gothrough with the obligation like
you signed the contract. Fulfillyour contract. We've seen guys
like KD dudas Kyrie James Hardenright? They sign a contract
because they want to get thismax money and then they
immediately request a tradebecause they don't want to beat
it and then they get traded towhere they want to be or
whatever like that's some softas you know. This is where we're
(34:17):
at right now in sports,especially in the NBA. Right and
you can knock Melo for now ringchasing not having any
championships you could say hewasn't a great defender. He was
selfish whatever. I feel likehe's the last of a dying breed
Anthony (34:34):
well the thing about mellow smells was gonna be
mellow. Like I don't think heever he tried to bring chase in
for a year that one timeimportant but that was really
it. If you really wanted to doit like he was a free agent he
could just sign with any teamthat exactly it could be on
Boston's roster right nowcollecting the minimum or, or,
(34:54):
or shit Denver's roster, but no,that wasn't gonna work. Still
out of bad blood. They're there.
They're improving and gettingover that. But the error isn't
dead. Because it still mattersto people because it matters to
us and shouldn't matter to us.
Like I said, I always say thisevery single time. I unemotional
(35:16):
invested in sports, I like agood story like a good, good
game. And that's about it. Lastnight's game was excellent. That
was a great fucking ticket. Butyou run into a situation with a
guy like Carmelo where he wasalways going to do what's best
for Carmelo good, bad orindifferent. Like he could have
asked if he had to kind of swimin New York, like it's going to
(35:36):
use the MSC user in the marketinstead of trying to go to help
them out. Or waiting to makethat deal, but I'm not going to
know, divulge the past and holdthat against them, and so on so
forth. He had a long career, hemight be, quite honestly, the
best offensive player I've everseen. I mean, in literally all
(35:58):
facets of the game is mid range,posting up from downtown. There
was nothing to Carmelo couldn'tdo offensively, he never was
rushed. He never was, you know,panic, nothing else like that.
He got to his spot and took hisshot and there was nothing you
can do about it. Now, thequestion I have about his legacy
is is is actually twofold. Like,could this is becoming a thing,
(36:22):
and like, I'm not either for oragainst it. But do you believe
the next year retires number
Jeff (36:29):
they're gonna. Whether they should or not, is up in the
air is up for interpretation,but they're going up because
James Dolan loves mellow. Therewas Potter having dinner
together. And like I said, in atime where nobody wanted to come
here he came. And then heresigned with us. And he said he
(36:51):
wanted to be here. This is whereI want to be. To me. That's not
That's not taking the easy wayout. That's actually taking the
hard way, right. Like, I want towin here. Because I know that if
I win here, I'd be immortalizedforever. I'm a god if I win in
New York City. And he took us tothe playoffs for four straight
years, which was unheard ofyou're not I mean, we hadn't
(37:11):
gotten to the playoffs in like20 years.
Anthony (37:14):
I'm sorry. I'm still tired. By the time they won the
game. They released theballoons. I'm like, come on now.
Yeah.
Jeff (37:19):
But that's where we are.
That's how sad are franchises.
You know, we win a playoff gameand they're celebrating. And he
took us to the second round, theworld's biggest appreciation
trophy, dropping the balloonplayoff with Jesus. And up until
this year when we lost in thesecond round when he 12 was the
last time we made it that far.
And it was mellow. And Amari,that took us there. Forever. So
first just for that. And thefact you know, he has the most
(37:41):
points in a single game atMadison Square Garden. Well,
yeah, like 6162 points. Yeah,but that's in the record books
that might never be broken.
Anthony (37:48):
I get that. But my whole thing was always this
like, has there ever been agreat score in master Square
Garden?
Jeff (37:54):
Bernard King was, but he was only here for two years.
Right was a great prolificplayer. You know, so you can you
can argue that Melo and again,this is not saying much. And
it's not a long list or anythingbut you can argue that Melo is
one of the top two or three bestKnicks of all time.
Unfortunately, he never had achampionship so that's why guys
like Walt Clyde Frazier arealways going to be mentioned
Anthony (38:16):
even the top five but um, you know, guys like that
Patrick
Jeff (38:20):
Ewing is going to be mentioned because he has all the
records. He was here for a longtime and he got us to two
finals. I can see that he's inthe Top 10 Top Melo is in the
top five bro. Statisticallyeverything he accomplished. He's
a top five Nick of all time theonly thing he's never made it to
the finals and not many Knickshave, right so that's not even a
long list. So basically
Anthony (38:38):
you got got four guys from the 7172 Knicks.
Jeff (38:44):
You got a few people from the seven to seven days and then
you have like Patrick Ewing fromthe 90s so
Anthony (38:48):
classic read the butcher Clyde read the brochure
Pat will be for
Jeff (38:59):
maybe monarchy but no like I said he's only been here for a
couple seasons so he doesn'treally count.
Anthony (39:03):
He doesn't but it's almost like those two years
that's such an amazing impact.
Right? That was probably betweenthree and five Yeah,
Jeff (39:10):
that's what I'm telling you maybe Starks but they don't
even do he's not they don't evenhave a retired number. What was
the last number we retiredPatrick Ewing
Anthony (39:16):
stopped John start shaking. He wasn't great at all.
I'm a Knicks fan. He wasn't
Jeff (39:22):
bad. But he but yeah, but he was on those great Knicks
fans from the night Knicks teamsfrom the 90s So he's always
gonna be remembered as that youdon't I'm saying yeah, that one
iconic dunk is the same thing asOakley and Mason and all these
guys that were part of the teamsthat we remember as being the
best teams we've had in a longtime.
Anthony (39:38):
The amazing thing about John Starks that people always
talking about start from likethat's the motherfucker that
call here all the title. Yeah.
And they always say John suckslike you would have a title of
John would stop fucking shoewith a three for 18 and I
watched it he just chucking andhave a kid I'm like, Please
fucking stop, John. Seriously.
(39:58):
They're like, oh man. What aboutJohn Stark's man fuck out of
here. And that's the fun thingto do and retires number but
right retire but the thing isthat right now Denver can't
retire his number
Jeff (40:09):
why somebody's wearing yoga chest 15 Oh he does
Anthony (40:14):
get retired right now they're prior retired number
twice a yoke and for mela butthey can't retire the number
because you're still wearing itnow but
Jeff (40:23):
he didn't wear it 15 With the next
Anthony (40:25):
no he was seven with the next one who were seen it
and Denver
Jeff (40:29):
he was seven with the Lakers two
Anthony (40:31):
yeah but he's number retire with the Lakers No, no,
no, no, no. So you probably havea number you probably have a
number retired by the next youshould have a retirement and
Jeff (40:41):
him in Denver didn't really part ways and good terms.
So I don't I don't know. Theymight make him wait a little
bit, but I feel like the nextretires number immediately,
probably next year to have aceremony they'll have a mellow
day where he'll come and wave tothe fans and retire his jersey.
Anthony (40:53):
I think I think Denver has to retire his number because
Denver wasn't shit until he gotthere.
Jeff (40:58):
He might be a top two player in the history of the
nuggets. Yeah, it's probably himand joke it's
Anthony (41:04):
no top three it's him geocaching Alex English. That's
it. That's it. It's a coupleother guys have been there but
it's really those those guys.
Kiki Vandeweghe was there a fatliver was there but it's really
it's really yo kitch AlexEnglish and Carmelo Anthony
Carmela might be might be two.
You'll never be one because youcan't top a two time MVP and a
guy who's probably going to wina title this year.
Jeff (41:23):
I feel bad that his son is going to have the same problem
he had when his son makes it ifhe makes it to the NBA. He's
gonna have to deal with Lebronson. Then he's gonna always have
you know, I'm saying he's unlesshe becomes better than LeBron
son. No, he's always gonna bebehind. I mean, because like,
you're just gonna be behind thegreatest critic because of that
era.
Anthony (41:42):
The thing about Keanu is I don't know if he's gonna be
outshine his father because, Imean, this is not even me being
like funny. Like, I don't knowhow much taller he's going to
grow. Like Carmelo being sixfoot 720 40 pounds is the
massive advantage. He's tooquick, and he's too strong. So
I'm like, young Carmela couldcould jump like he can get up
(42:03):
there. So I don't know if Qianis gonna be able to develop or I
mean, the skill is going to bethere because of his father. But
the question is going to belike, is he going to be able to
actually grow tall enough likeeven brawny Brian is only like
six to six threes father682 141 50 pounds, like, you're
not your father. You have to beyour own person. You have to
have his name. But I mean that Imean, karma left a lasting
(42:24):
impact on everybody. On playerson fans. Like everybody,
everybody wanted to have likethe straight backs with the
bandana. Like basicallybasically human aI had that look
going forward. But I mean, theway he wasn't Denver like the
counterpoint to LeBron James, Isaid it came in the same time.
He won Rookie of the Year, notLebron James. That's how
(42:46):
talented and how amazing Melowas at that time. He still is.
Like said 19 years is nothingthat's enough about me. People
to work 19 years at a regularfucking job doing it in the NBA.
Since you've been 19 years old,and three time Olympic champion
I mean, maybe the greatestSyracuse Orangemen of all time,
quite possibly the greatestnugget of all time. It's not
(43:08):
because of your age, but no doyou have these things these
things occur? And the fact thathe got to this point so far in
his career, man, just kudos so Ijust hope he enjoys retirement,
with his foundations and thingslike that and keeps trying to
uplift and build communities andI'm not gonna complain about it.
I mean, just stay mellow.
Jeff (43:23):
And congrats to him. On his retirement, yo, William
Shakespeare said no legacy is soriche as honesty. The greatest
legacy one can pass on to one'schildren and grandchildren is
not money but rather a legacy ofcharacter and faith. What you
leave behind is not what isengraved in stone monuments, but
(43:44):
what is woven into the lives ofothers. Pericles thank you for
tuning in. We're gonna try togive you more content this week.
But a lot going on. Weappreciate y'all
Anthony (43:56):
Yes, Morita. Yes, Calm the fuck down man.
Jeff (43:59):
The culture dot one. Happy Memorial Day. til next time
Anthony (44:03):
go gruesome shit
Jeff (44:04):
peace.
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