May 13, 2024 • 42 mins
Ever wondered what fuels the fire in the rap world's most explosive feuds? Mikey-She joins the show once again to dissect the lyrical sparring between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Prepare to navigate the twists and turns of hip-hop rivalries, as we lay bare the intricate beats of their ongoing battle. It's a no-holds-barred analysis that promises to reveal the strategic plays behind the verses and how they've shaped the artists' careers and the industry itself. From the authenticity of their claims to the broader cultural ripples, we're leaving no stone unturned.
Buckle up for a deep dive into the heart of hip-hop culture, where the tension between commercial success and genuine artistry is ever-present. As we scrutinize Drake and Kendrick's tactics, we'll touch upon sensitive subjects like the portrayal of relationships with younger women in the industry, domestic violence, stirring the pot with fervent debates and personal insights. The episode is peppered with our take on the underlying motivations of these high-profile clashes, examining whether it's all for the glory of the charts or the legacy of the genre. It's not all heavy though; expect a blend of laughter as we explore the zany world of fan jokes about virtual backdrops and the lighter sides of our lives outside the studio.
Is this the greatest rap battle of all time? Does it rival that of Nas and Jay-Z or even B.I.G and Pac? And when does it go too far? Where does J-Cole fit in all of this? Join us for this episode that's as much about the beats as it is about the banter and brace yourself for a journey through the triumphs and turbulence of music's most dynamic genre. #Drake #Kendrick #DrakevsKendrick
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Jeff (00:00):
yo, yo yo, we are back.
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the culture
podcast.
I am jeff.
I'm joined here by my main man,pots and pan, anthony austin jr
, if he decides to show his face.
And of course, we have ourspecial guest, resident guest
(00:20):
and culture crew member, mikey.
Mikey (00:22):
She was good hi, hi guys, it's been a while.
Jeff (00:26):
Good to be back.
It's been a minute.
It's been a minute.
Mikey (00:32):
It's been 20.
Jeff (00:32):
20 minutes.
Mikey (00:33):
I don't know.
It's been many minutes.
I feel like I haven't been onwith you guys and there's so
many things that have happenedand so much music that comes out
.
I mean, just so the listenersknow, we have kind of like an
ongoing text thread where we'realways kind of sending each
other new stuff or chitting onsomething that came out.
So we're always talking but youdon't get to hear it.
Until today.
We're coming to your ears.
Jeff (00:53):
Yeah, I mean, even me and Ed haven't really recorded as
much lately.
A lot has been going on and alot has happened since we last
recorded, so we're going to getinto it.
I mean, we're going to dissectand discuss everything Drake
versus Kendrick, who won, wholost and who came out looking
like a bitch in all of this.
There he is with his Tasmaniandevil hat.
Ooh, love a Taz.
I got my little blue screenbehind me.
(01:16):
It looks like Mikey Shee's insome type of sauna trying to
lose weight.
Mikey (01:19):
I'm in a sauna.
Yeah, the weight loss is notgoing too good Sauna's full.
Jeff (01:25):
Yeah, the weight loss is not going too good.
It's on us full of beer, right,quick, speaking of a green
screen, last video we did me andAnt was like a reaction video
right, where we made fun of likeshit that Biden and Trump be
saying.
Mikey (01:33):
Yeah.
Jeff (01:35):
And so it's up on YouTube.
Y'all can check that out on theCulture page.
But somebody left a comment onthe video.
And somebody said because Anthad like green screen image of
like a house behind him.
And somebody commented Anthonyis so rich he has to green
screen a middle class person'shome.
I thought that was funny.
(01:55):
I'll be in the trenches.
Anthony (01:56):
That was just a big belief.
That's the future.
That ain't now.
I wish it was.
It ain't now, though, All right.
Jeff (02:03):
So, man, let's get right into this shit.
Man, kendrick Lamar versusDrizzy Drake Aubrey.
Anthony (02:12):
What the fuck is his last?
Jeff (02:12):
name Meet the Grams Graham , graham, aubrey, graham.
Anthony (02:14):
It's in the title Meet the Grams.
Jeff (02:17):
Yeah, correct, all right.
So this I want to say that thisbeef has been going on for many
years, right, they've beenthrowing jabs at each other back
and forth for a long time.
I want to say it goes back tothat Big Sean song Control,
right, when Kendrick came on andhe just dissed everybody,
including Drake, yeah.
But more recently it gotreignited when Drake and J Cole
(02:43):
did a song together, and J Colehas has a line which is not even
a diss, but you know, he'sbasically saying like who's the
best?
Is it k dot, is it aubrey or me?
We're the big three.
Like we started a league, right, yeah, and drake drake might
have thrown some jabs atkendrick in that song, but then
kendrick comes back and he makesa song and he's like, fuck, a
big three is just a big me,right.
Mikey (03:01):
And then everything goes to hell it feels so reminiscent
of the cannabis.
Ll cool j that, like the youknow.
He says let me borrow the micfrom your arm whatever he wasn't
even saying he has a diss.
It's like he's just sayingthere's like you know, I don't
know, it's like the, it's likesporting good, sportsmanship or
whatever, and then it's justlike, well, and then all of
their did all the stuff in thepast, like before that I feel
(03:22):
like just about.
It was literally just aboutlike like who was the best
lyricist or like what.
It was just like little.
You know like I'm going torhyme on this better than you.
It wasn't.
I didn't feel like it wasintense.
I feel like it was that like itreminded me of one.
Jeff (03:37):
It's also like when ice cube heard um common say
something yeah, say somethingyeah, and he, you know, he
thought it was a jab at him whenit really wasn't.
He was like I thought I heardsomething yeah.
So then in the past two weekshas been just all hell has
broken loose.
Kendrick has released like whatlike four diss songs.
I think that's right, I think Icounted four Super quick and
then Drake has released whatlike two or three.
Mikey (04:01):
I thought it was equal, I thought it was four and four,
something like that.
Jeff (04:04):
I think it's four and three.
I could be wrong.
Rick Ross threw his hat in thewall.
Even Kanye tried to dabble.
Even Kanye made a song where hetried to side with Kendrick.
He went at Cole and Drake.
He has to stay relevant somehow.
Anthony (04:20):
White boy, you wearing a dark little drone, white boy,
I love that line.
White boy, you wearing DrLittle Drone, white boy, I love
that line.
Jeff (04:28):
So I'm going to let y'all tell me what y'all think so far,
man, and what's going on, man.
Anthony (04:32):
Drake is over.
All right, let's even throughall this.
Drake's career is not over.
It's just like Kendrick saidMake the songs that make people
happy, make them dance, makethem sing, and you'll be fine.
What he's exactly going to dois not going to change nothing,
man, it's just.
It's kind of brought to lightand I won't even say exposed.
It just made it very clear.
(04:52):
Like, all right, let's justdisregard the whole Canadian
thing.
The guy's an actor.
The guy goes to Atlanta forclout, like he jumps on every
wave, every phrase, he changeshis dialect, he changes his
dialect, he changes his tone, hechanges his clothes, his swag.
It's everything just dependingon the particular things.
And, like I said, he is of theculture but he is not fully part
(05:14):
of it because of the shit likethat that he does.
Like you're stealing from this,you're borrowing from these
artists, you're putting them ontracks and it's beneficial for
both parties, but it's nothelping them.
What's Youngboy?
I remember Drake jumped onsomething with some kid named, I
think, blockboy or somethinglike that, went to do the stupid
(05:34):
little dance where they hoparound on one leg or some shit,
and he's in the video doing itwith him.
But after that you ain't neverheard nothing from him.
He'd come on there, he'd jumpon it.
He got what he got from him.
He moved forward.
He does siphon the shit awayand call it a day.
Kendrick just brought that tolight.
It doesn't make Drake terriblebecause both of them are
throwing around a lot ofallegations, but the truth of
(05:56):
the matter is Drake tried to getinto the ring.
He just made actually a lot ofmistakes.
When I think about it, thebiggest one that he made is that
every record that kindredreleased when I mean I like that
he talked about him in coldshore, but euphoria 616 and um,
(06:16):
uh, not like us and meet thegrams he's not talking about as
long as though that not like usis dope.
No one else else except forDrake.
Drake talking about Rocky, hetalking about Ross, he talking
about everybody.
Like this is your target, focuson your target.
That's why the records fromKendrick is better, because all
these shits is aimed at you andonly you.
Even like I really like FamilyMatters, but the whole thing,
(06:39):
like the first two sections, isabout everybody else except for
kendrick, except for the lastpart, right, he just wasn't
focused and that's why he lostthis that reminds me of takeover
.
Yeah, for sure naming everybodybut not focused on the main
thing exactly look, speaking ofnot like us.
Jeff (06:54):
You know it broke the all-time record for biggest
single day streams of a hip-hopsong in us spotify history and
it passed drake who had therecord?
Mikey (07:01):
previously.
It's and what's interestingalso about like Drake's
responses a lot of the time wasthat he like got defensive on a
lot of things, like I am a gooddad, I'm not a child molester,
and like when it should just be,I think like a good you know a
good diss track or a good beefsong is like it's just focused
on the other person.
(07:22):
It's just you can retaliate alittle bit about what like
address what people said aboutyou, but just like go after the
other person only and it's theother thing I think it was so
amazing was to watch out howquickly it escalated.
It was like you dress like shit, you're kind of a shitty rapper
.
And then it was like well,you're a deadbeat dad and a
pedophile.
Jeff (07:43):
Let's get into some of the allegations, shall we?
Mikey (07:50):
Drake said that kendrick lamar is physically abusive to
his wife, and is that somethingthat's ever been out like?
I had never heard that's beenrumored?
Jeff (07:54):
that's been rumored just like.
Just like drake's, you know,pedophilia has been rumored.
I don't even want to say thatword because it's a strong word,
but his interest in teenagegirls, right, right, right and
it's you know.
Mikey (08:09):
Yeah, sorry, no, no, no.
Jeff (08:11):
I was going to say Drake claims that Kendrick's children
with fiancée Whitney Ford arenot his, but are former Top Dog
Entertainment president's, daveFreeze, and he also said that
Kendrick is using Feud topromote an upcoming album.
Where's this album?
Mikey (08:30):
This is the album.
He could just make an album offall the districts.
And the other thing that, like,both of them have kind of
leveled something along thelines of, like they're using the
feud to, like you know, boosttheir their um, you know, street
cred or their like visibilityor whatever, and it's like, of
course they are.
What the fuck?
Like?
What is any this?
Of course they're getting someof their most downloaded songs
out of this.
I mean, look at any beef.
All of it is based on recordsales and clout and trying to
(08:53):
just boost your sales.
So it's interesting for me thateither of them would say, oh,
you're doing this just topromote your next record or
you're doing this for whatever.
Well, of course you are.
I mean, it's not.
If you weren't, then you wouldjust be attacked like settling
this, you know, in private orwhatever, and then kendrick's
allegations.
Jeff (09:11):
He's saying that, uh, you know drake is a father to an 11
year old daughter that he hasnot claimed we've heard this
before about him having children.
Uh, he claims that drake andhis team are pedophiles and he
also called drake a mastermanipulator and a habitual liar.
Not to mention that they keepsaying and rick roth probably
(09:31):
brought it up first that youknow all the plastic surgery
that drake is getting his nosejob, a bbl, his abs surgeries
and all of this other shit.
Mikey (09:38):
Bbl, drake, what well before we?
One of the things that I wasinterested in that, because
we've kind of touched on both ofthem in like past episodes that
we've been on before.
But, like, what do each of youthink of them in general?
Like, where do they land foryou, like, are they people?
Do you listen to all theirmusic?
Do you like them?
Do you think that they'rereally good rappers, like it's,
(10:00):
you know?
I mean, I think drakeespecially is someone who, like
I think a lot of my like realhip-hop heads like won't really
include him in the canon of likehe's a rapper, like he's a hip
hop artist.
It's more like, well, you knowhe's a dude, that can you know
he's you know he's, his music'sgood, it's like it's.
it is what it is, but it's notlike.
I don't look to him for likebeing a spitter.
Jeff (10:21):
No, I don't.
I like Kendrick, I like Cole.
I don't like Cole, I don't likeDrake.
Yeah, I don't put Drake in thatdiscussion of the big three of
right now, right you?
Anthony (10:28):
know what I mean.
Jeff (10:28):
I mean obviously they are the big three because of the
record sales and the popularityand mainstream success and
whatever.
But I don't put Drake in thecaliber of those two other guys.
Mikey (10:38):
I mean I put Cole above both of them for sure, Lyrically
, yes, and Kendrick like, well,and I made a joke to you guys
over our text thread where I wassaying like they're just
battling to see who's like thebiggest pussy in art school or
something like that Like theyboth just like feel like kids
that went to art high schoolsand I don't know dude, they just
they don't, they don't, theydon't hit and they're not
(10:59):
neither of them in my top, Idon't know 20 or 50, even for
rappers, it's just not.
I don't know Kendrick'sSpeaking of.
Jeff (11:07):
Cole?
What's Speaking of Cole?
What's being lost in all ofthis is that Cole actually
dropped a diss track to Kendrickand then deleted it and then
went on and apologized, live onstage, apologized and basically
redacted and took himself out ofthis whole feud.
I thought that was the biggestbitch move in hip-hop history.
(11:29):
Why did he do that?
Because he probably saw whatwas coming.
He didn't want to be in theposition that Drake is right now
.
He was like I can see what'scoming, song after song after
song, allegations afterallegations.
This guy's about to murder me,so let me just step away now
before this kamikaze, fuckingatomic bomb hits me.
But I still thought it was asoft move, because this could
(11:52):
have been an opportunity to bethe best battle of all time and
it could have been a triplethreat, a three-way battle.
Mikey (12:00):
But I mean, for the first time ever, you didn't mention
something like that Drake'scareer is not going to be over,
or whatever.
I mean not only do I not thinkthat Drake's career is not going
to be over, or whatever, I mean, I don't not only do I not
think that Drake's career is notgoing to be over, I think he's
going to be.
I think it's going to boost hiscareer.
I mean his career is like atepic, like he's at like selling
Taylor Swift numbers now, likein his concerts and stuff, like
I don't know man, I don't thinkthat the people that like Drake
like Drake because I don't thinkthat he's like the hardest dude
(12:24):
out there.
I don't think anybody thinksthat he's the best rapper, I
mean.
And then all the allegationsabout Drake like I don't know,
they're all there.
I mean he's.
Have you guys seen the video ofhim when the guy, the person in
the crowd, throws the Jordan 3at him and he fakes like he's
pulling a gun?
Jeff (12:39):
No, but I've seen the one where he brings up a 15 or 16
year old up on stage.
You've seen that shit Well.
Mikey (12:44):
I mean, if you look at the way that those guys there's
a lot of young, young womenaround.
I mean musicians in general.
My wife and I were just talkingabout how Anthony Kiedis from
Red Hot Chili Peppers he's nowdating his like fifth
23-year-old in a row.
He's 60.
And like his20-whatever-year-old woman that
(13:05):
he's dating looks 16.
She's like a young, young,looking early 20s and it's just,
I mean that's.
We were just in la last weekand it's like, yeah, dude, I
mean that's like it's such athing.
It's such a thing.
Jeff (13:13):
But I think drake has stepped over the line on it a
lot I think this does more tocement kendrick's legacy as one
of the top artists or rappers ofthis era, more than it does
hurt drake's, you know, standingin with his fans because his
core fans are always going to behis core fans.
Yeah, I think he's not going tolose any fans.
I think Kendrick had more tolose on this, right, potentially
(13:35):
, but he he cemented his legacy.
He proved that he's the betterlyricist, the better rapper, et
cetera, et cetera.
He also just made better songs.
Right, you know, once thisblows over, drake will go back
to making songs for his coreaudience, which is predominantly
women and possibly Canadiansand whatever.
Mikey (13:54):
I don't know what Canadians listen to I think
that's true, that's interesting.
Jeff (13:57):
Yeah, I don't know.
Mikey (13:58):
I don't know what boys are.
Jeff (13:59):
And the casuals will be like whatever.
But I like when Kendrick wastelling him to not say the
N-word you can't say the N-word.
I like when Kendrick wastelling him to like not say the
N word.
Like you can't say the N wordand the whole thing is you're
white or you're white, you're awhite boy, which is a whole
other topic that we can discussin a whole other episode or
another podcast about colorismand who can say the N word?
And if you're white and you'rehalf black, right, but that's
(14:20):
like the main thing that peoplesay to him oh, you're Canadian,
you're not of the culture,you're not black, you're not
allowed to say this or that.
So I think that's an old diss.
Mikey (14:31):
What do you think about that?
To me it's like that's not.
I mean, the Canadian part ismore the thing that it's easy to
kind of diss someone who's fromCanada because it's kind of
like, I don't know, they're justkind of weenies.
Jeff (14:43):
And even like Cardinal Fishout people that I really
like.
Mikey (14:45):
I'm like, but they are Canadian At the end of the day.
I wouldn't trust them.
Cannabis is Canadian right,isn't Cannabis Canadian?
Jeff (14:51):
No, is he I don't know man .
I think he is.
Anthony (14:55):
Y'all just be having this idea like rappers are the
hardest people in the history ofthe world Right?
Mikey (14:59):
no, yeah, they're not.
Anthony (15:03):
They're really not.
99% of them just have a persona.
Sure, Most of them was neverreally street dudes like that,
something else like that, andthe ones that were, you know
like 50, he was a street dude.
He got shot Like he made it apart of his story.
Mikey (15:16):
Or gazelle the guys or something.
Anthony (15:18):
Right, hell, yeah, especially them.
So it's not the Canadian partLike we really don't care Right
(15:40):
it's the everything that Right.
Aubrey Graham.
I heard this from somebody andagain I'm not going to take
credit, but it's one of the bestlines I heard about the whole
thing.
They said that Aubrey Graham isa great actor.
The best role he ever playedwas Drake and I said you got it.
Mikey (15:57):
Yeah, that's good.
Anthony (16:00):
Grassy, you're playing a hip-hop artist who wears these
chains and does these thingsand so on and so forth.
Yeah, like I told you, I likethe Family Matters song and the
video is interesting because I'mlike what you're doing right
now is actually pretty cool.
But when I pulled back thelayers and thought about it,
you're you're proving theculture of ultra shit.
You started off Right Like you.
You spit in the gene in a chain.
(16:20):
You got all the Pharrell'snecklaces.
Jeff (16:29):
You got Tupac's ring.
Why are you collecting theseartifacts of hip-hop?
And then he used Tupac and AIlike an AI versus Tupac right.
And he used Snoop Dogg AI,which I don't think helps his
cause, because he can't beat theallegations of plagiarism and
ghostwriting and all of thisshit.
Anthony (16:39):
That's corny.
Don't do that, and that's thewhole thing.
When people say you're corny,you just prove their point for
them.
Because you do things like that, like why do you have all of
Pharrell's chains?
Why do you have the Genie chain?
Jeff (16:50):
I know the.
Anthony (16:50):
Genie chain probably came from game, but it's
whatever it's like.
I don't want a museum ofhistory of hip-hop in my house.
I want to make it.
I want y'all to have my stuff.
I'm that good.
And, like I said, with him andOVO and everything else like
that, all Kendrick was trying tosay people were like, well,
kendrick didn't say anything, hedidn't have to say anything new
(17:12):
, there is nothing new.
We're trying to explain to you.
He's not like us.
He's not that guy I'm notsaying the whole Canadian part
His style, his flow.
Jeff (17:23):
He's not like us.
He's not like us.
Anthony (17:27):
It's from somebody else .
Your swag is from somebody else, your look.
Jeff (17:29):
By the way, cannabis is Jamaican American.
I want to clear that up.
I insinuated he was Canadian.
It's probably because Eminemcalled him a Canada piss.
Mikey (17:38):
That's probably what I was thinking.
I don't know Jamaica, you knowCanada of the Caribbean, yeah,
so it's not the white boy thing.
Anthony (17:46):
The white boy thing is just funny but you're kind of
calling that because I'm likewell, what I mean?
What on?
Not like us Kendrick callingB-Rat, I'm like I see it Pretty
funny, I see it.
I mean it's the fact that itcomes to you.
Mikey (18:06):
In fact you guys I have I have an unpopular opinion that
I feel like Tupac falls into thesame category for me as Drake
on a lot of levels, like I thinkit was all a front, I think a
lot of it was an act.
I think he, I mean dude, he waslike he grew up in mill Valley.
He was like, you know, hecherry picks the things from his
(18:28):
childhood that he wants to, youknow, like, expand on.
And then, you know just, hetried to be so thugged out and I
always just felt like it feltso forced and I don't know.
So that Tupac has never beenone of my people, but it's like
when I see Drake, I oftentimeskind of like it's a huge.
I know it's not, it's a wildcomparison it's a huge.
Jeff (18:46):
I know it's not that's wild bro.
Mikey (18:46):
It's a hot take that I don't know if I can fully get
behind, but I just I've alwayskind of felt like it might get
backlash for that.
Anthony (18:51):
That's fine, I like it, I like I had the opinion man.
Yeah, that's why I say hit himup.
It's not the greatest disstrack of all east right, they
were from Jersey.
Mikey (19:09):
Yeah, but they were garbage though, and it's just it
.
But I mean, I guess to him hewas like I got people from your
own area, you know dissing youAnyway.
Jeff (19:20):
But when does it get too far right?
Because if it's on wax, jay andNas, you know that's fine.
But now we're talking aboutpedophilia allegations and
Drake's people are getting shotup.
One of his security guards gotshot and is in critical
condition.
You know, people are gettingshot outside his mansions, His
stores are getting vandalizedand shit like this Do you think,
okay, the shooting, is thatsomething from Kendrick?
Mikey (19:43):
I mean, it's maybe from someone that loves Kendrick or
whatever, but do you think thatKendrick wanted that to happen?
I doubt it.
Jeff (19:49):
Probably not.
I'm not saying it's a directresult, but again, it could be a
direct result.
Anthony (19:53):
That's right.
People are crazy.
We know fans are crazy, it's sostupid?
Jeff (19:57):
You know affiliations.
You don't know what type ofaffiliations are going on,
compton you know what I'm saying.
Anthony (20:03):
See that shit and blame it on Kendrick.
When Kendrick was talking aboutDrake, Drake was talking about
a lot of people.
It could be anybody.
Jeff (20:08):
Well, that's true, that's true.
Yeah, that's a fact.
Anthony (20:12):
Like you shit on Metro every song.
You shit on Ross, you shit on alot of people in them records.
Don't blame Kendrick.
Like don't say it's just me.
You got a lot of other suspectsout here and that might it
really might sound that might besome Canadian beef.
There might be some shit goingon.
It's a poutine.
Mikey (20:32):
I wonder what Canadian beef looks like?
Anthony (20:32):
It's a poutine restaurant that Drake gave one
star and they're like whatevery'all got going on Toronto, keep
that shit up there, dog Forsure.
Keep that shit up North.
Mikey (20:41):
It does feel like the, but I don't know.
It's like I think back at a lotof the best diss songs and it's
like I think about LL versus.
I mean, dude, think about IceCube.
They said some pretty wild shit, so it's not like the
allegations, especially thatKendrick is throwing, are like.
I mean, maybe they're unfoundedbut they are going around.
Jeff (21:01):
But a lot of those beefs that you mentioned from back in
the day started off of amisinterpretation.
Mikey (21:06):
Oh, for sure.
Jeff (21:06):
You know what I'm saying?
Something stupid.
I think you said something.
I heard you say something Amisunderstanding the majority of
the time, for sure.
I don't know what this is.
I don't even know how tocategorize this Drake versus
Kendrick shit, because it's beengoing on for years and now it's
just finally escalated toanother level.
Anthony (21:24):
It didn't have to Kend.
It didn't have to Kendrick gavehim out.
In the end he said if you wantto go further, it's something
you don't want to do.
We could have just stopped thatright there.
I'm giving you this out.
We can take it further.
That's something you don't wantto do.
He wasn't kidding.
Once you stepped over the line,I gave you a fair warning.
Here you go, boom.
Now you get everything thrownback and forth and that's the
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worst part.
And here's okay, when you'rethinking about beefs in online
scene in the sense of hip-hop,they're all lies, it's all
innuendo.
I don't think Jay left a condomin the baby seat, right?
I don't think that Tupac hadsex with Faith.
I don't think that.
You know that's questionable.
Jeff (22:07):
Faith been around all the time she would have said
something that man been dead Ifsomething would have happened
she ain't got no books to sell.
Anthony (22:11):
She would have said that would have happened.
Jeff (22:15):
Now, mc Search did say that Nas was getting paid every
time Jay sampled him, so that'sthe only thing that we know for
sure to be true.
Anthony (22:20):
Right, but that's not one of them.
Jeff (22:22):
headline allegations Like I slept with your wife jay said
I know who I paid dog searchlike publishing, you ain't get a
coin dog.
Yeah, I did right but.
Anthony (22:32):
But that's just speaking facts.
Most time they're all lyinglike I don't think jerry heller
actually has sex with easy eright right right, I mean, but
like common, you know, likesaying that diddy was ruining
hip-hop.
Mikey (22:44):
I mean like you know, some of those like I always
thought that some of the thingsthat common leveled at,
especially at Diddy, were like Iwas.
I was always amazed thosedidn't go further.
That does not that like Diddywould have like had a comeback
track or something, but I wasalways amazed that like common
never got his ass kicked orsomething.
Jeff (23:01):
Backpacker from fucking Chicago.
But all right, this is thequestion.
So is this?
Where do you put this battleamong the greats?
Is this the new Jay versus Nas?
Better?
Is this the new Big versus Pac?
Mikey (23:18):
Wait better.
Better than Jay versus.
Jeff (23:21):
Nas.
Anthony (23:21):
Yeah.
Jeff (23:22):
If you say that, then this is the best battle of all time,
then to you yeah, easy.
I mean, it's probably in my topthree.
I don't know if I'm ready toput it above.
It's above it.
Anthony (23:31):
I know your love for Nas, not letting you put above
it, but it's above it.
Mikey (23:34):
Right, I mean I loved the LL Cannabis one, but the status
and the stature of Drake andKendrick are so big Right,
they're both so big, big.
It's like this is titans goingat each other.
It's, it is.
I mean, it's jay-z naz and I, Idon't know.
I feel like the fact that itwas such rapid succession and
they were firing out songs, likeyou know, in under a day,
(23:56):
that's that's.
I don't know.
Jeff (23:58):
It was exciting what did they put out?
That's another thing, too, thatthe guys that jay and naz
didn't have right.
They didn't have social media,they didn't have the digital
digital platforms Drake released.
What was the song that Drakereleased?
Was it Euphoria or whatever thefuck?
What was it called?
Anthony (24:11):
Family Matters.
Jeff (24:13):
Was it.
Anthony (24:13):
Tupac or the other one.
Jeff (24:15):
The one that Kendrick responded to like 45 minutes
later Family Matters right.
You couldn't do that back inthe day, right?
We had to wait for weeks,sometimes even months, for a
response.
You know what I mean.
You had sometimes even monthsfor a response.
You know I mean.
You had to like, you had to buystudio time, you had to get in
the booth, you had to do all ofthis shit.
Anthony (24:33):
Now you go on your phone record some boom, it's out
, it's all over the internet,it's all over the world.
Right, but with jen nye's, theonly release three songs.
Jeff (24:38):
That was it right, just just just yeah, but nobody was
releasing anything in 40 minutesbut, but it's still three but,
and the whole thing is like.
Anthony (24:47):
The first one is that I don't know how much you can say
that is a distant knowledge,because it's, it's literally,
it's just like that verse forwhich one?
Jeff (24:56):
we're talking about the takeover.
Yeah, because it's just like heyeah, he, yeah.
But he did my deep and then hedid nas.
He had different verses foreverybody.
Anthony (25:02):
He came with that then like okay, there's your opening
salvo.
He shoots back with ether, hethen comes back with super, then
it's over no, no, no.
Naz had the freestyle, the j tothe homo shit, whatever it was
yeah, and then, like I said,it's the whole gay shit they
always throwing around likenothing special.
You have, probably, of thethree rappers in this era, two
of the three best it would.
(25:23):
It would have been number oneif it was cole and kendrick.
It would have been number oneif it was Cole and Kendrick.
It would have been number oneif it was Cole and Drake,
because you have the guys at thetop of the tier Now.
Jay was at the pinnacle of rapat the time.
Nas was a touch below.
We're not talking about lyricalability.
This adds in a sense ofpopularity amongst the senses of
people, the touch below.
Yeah, both of these dudesstanding on the top of two
(25:45):
mountains shooting across ateach other, like well, one of us
is going to have to die, one ofus is going to have to fall off
this mountain.
That's what puts you number one.
You put out seven songs in lessthan three weeks and you're
still waiting for one morebecause Kendrick doesn't seem
like someone who's going to lethim have the last word.
So we're still pitching.
So it'd be eight songs in thatperiod of time.
Jeff (26:04):
I feel like Kendrick has a bunch more already recorded.
Mikey (26:07):
He's just Well, he has like stuff, you know.
I mean he's Like he broughtJack Antonoff in for 616.
And so then it like brings allthe Swifties into the battle.
But, it's like Kendrick justfelt like he's locked and loaded
, like I feel like he has beatsready that he can fire out.
The other thing that we're likewas a lot of the old beefs is
(26:27):
that you had to wait to issue asingle.
But you had to it like maybeyou could issue a single or a cd
single or whatever, but likeit's not like.
And then you know in the likeuh, downloads time or whatever,
you could put something outquickly.
But I mean, like I rememberwhen like it was the ll cool j
and and uh cannabis thing, itwas like you were waiting to
download, like to illegallystream something when they put
(26:49):
it out, but it was hard to find.
Now it's just like it's instant.
It can go on TikTok and go onwhatever and it's just instantly
in the zeitgeist.
So you can like put somethingout, record it into your phone,
fucking fire it out in 20minutes or whatever, and it's
just like the system is readyfor it.
Now I don't know, I mean it's,I want.
Anthony (27:06):
Go ahead, brother Go ahead.
Jeff (27:07):
I just wanted to circle back to fucking J Cole, because
it still bothers me that hebacked out of this shit.
Why?
Because I thought this shitwould have just made it.
The dynamic would have beendifferent.
A triple threat match, bro, itwould have been a fucking.
Mikey (27:26):
I mean he doesn't necessarily like diss anybody,
but he talks shit about things.
He's like he's edgy, I don'tknow.
I thought that he was going toget into it.
I thought might he might evengo even harder than the other
two, but so I'm just I don'tknow what the back.
I would love to know thebackstory of that, like why he
didn't want to get involved,because it's like it seems to me
like I think he ain't want tosmoke, yeah, but.
But I mean he could get someclout out of it.
Anthony (27:49):
Y'all overthinking this shit.
Man J Cole likes Kendrick,Kendrick hates Drake.
Jeff (27:58):
I mean J Cole is the reason Kendrick got signed to
fucking Aftermath or whatever.
Anthony (28:04):
I hate the way that you talk.
Jeff (28:06):
He doesn't like him as a person, because what he's doing
to the cult.
Anthony (28:09):
He doesn't like him as a person because what he's doing
to the cult he doesn't like himat all.
He respects him as an artist,doesn't like him as a person.
So you're going to get vitriolif he had, if he had, kendrick
and cole, you're gonna get somealbums, but you're not gonna get
that level of violence.
You're not gonna get that levelof anger between them because
they actually like each other.
They're not.
They're kind of cut from thesame cloth.
They just seem different.
(28:29):
But they both got fucked upbraids.
They both were just like sayingsome black power shit.
Jeff (28:33):
That's what they do.
It's fine, there's zeroargument there, but Kendrick,
but Kendrick.
Telling Drake that he doesn'tlike the way he dressed to me is
the most ironic shit of hisentire battle, bro, considering
the way he dressed.
Anthony (28:45):
Yeah, but he stole that shit from DMX because DMX was
on the radio.
He was like what do you thinkabout Drake?
I hate the way he walks, theway he talks, the way he looks,
the way he dresses.
I hate everything about him,yeah of course, but I mean
Kendrick.
Mikey (28:57):
well, I don't know, I don't hate the way that Kendrick
dresses as much as I feel likeDrake Because Drake I mean
stupid fucking shoes all thetime and he's like he's.
I don't know I hate his style.
I used to like it.
Actually, kendrick at leastlike how he feels, like he's not
flashy, he doesn't wear a lotof jewelry, he's kind of got
like a street style.
He's got an la style.
I don't know.
Anthony (29:16):
I like the way that kendrick's didn't dress is great
dress is like a builder rapper,is it do rag?
And sweatsuits, and in goldchains like oh, it's like.
All right, your style iship-hop, but it's like, again,
it's a problem, it feelsborrowed, like I know I've seen
this before yeah like, so he'slike what ai would draw up.
Mikey (29:37):
If you told him to draw up, he looks like a rapper on
the front of the like limpbiscuit album from the 90s is
where it's like a dude with hiswith his hat like big old JNCO
jeans or whatever, and he's likeyeah, I'm a rapper, I'm like
cool, Drake.
Jeff (29:51):
I used to like that album, by the way.
Mikey (29:52):
I mean that Method man song was good.
Actually there's a couple wedon't need to talk about.
Jeff (29:57):
Limp Bizkit on this episode.
Mikey (29:58):
But I went back into Limp Bizkit and I was kind of like,
oh, maybe it's not that bad, butthey have an exhibit.
I think he has exhibit on theretoo.
There was a um.
There was like a a tick tockvideo or someone.
There was a person that that helike talks to artists and and
tells it has them go throughtheir whole outfit and tell them
like where he got, where theygot stuff, how much this stuff
is worth or whatever.
This is right after Drake hadthe, the chain made, that's like
(30:19):
$24 million or whatever.
Um, and he had, like I thinkhis jeans were like $300,000.
It was some wild number, right.
So his whole outfit was like$40 million.
Whatever it was.
It was some stupid amount ofmoney.
And he looked like he had justgone into like a motorcycle shop
and then like a 90s throwbackjean store and then throwing the
(30:40):
shit on.
He looked like such a dumbassand he was like I have $40
million and I was just waitingfor the end of the video I
million.
And I was just waiting for theend of the video.
I wanted someone to come up andjust jack him at the end and
take his necklace and take hispants.
Jeff (30:51):
But I remember before we go because I know it has to have
something to do.
Anthony (30:56):
If you need it, I got a minute.
The reason why we got to kindof cut this short is because I
have to do something with mygoddaughter, because her
graduation is coming up and herprom is coming up and her prom
is coming up and that's it.
But she hasn't got here yetbecause she didn't text me.
So if you want to run a littlemore, we got time, that's great.
Jeff (31:14):
Ultimately, the ultimate question I wanted to ask is
who's winning and or who won?
For me, it's obviously Kendrick.
Maybe I'm biased, I don't know.
I think Kendrick got it in thebag.
Mikey (31:26):
I don't know, I think Kendrick got it in a bag.
I think Kendrick won the battle.
Jeff (31:32):
I think Drake is going to win career-wise.
And here comes Ant to playdevil's advocate.
Anthony (31:38):
No, I agree, he's actually right, because Kendrick
apparently seems to be one ofthose artists who wants to take
time with his art.
You don't see a lot of Kendrickfeatures on much of anything,
so that's why the whole likethat thing.
The song would have been good,but if he wasn't on it, you
don't have this problem becausehe rarely comes outside.
(32:00):
So once he came outside withthis, oh, he got something to
say.
He'll release an album, take acouple years off, do another.
Drake is going to constantly bein your ear.
He's going to be on thisfeature, that feature, his album
.
He's a guy who really doesthink he's Michael Jackson.
He wants that level of fame.
He wants that so to be that youhave to stay in the public
(32:20):
conscious all the time.
That's exactly what he's doing.
Mikey (32:23):
Well, and Drake's like Shaq man that dude will endorse
anything.
He.
Drake's like Shaq man that dudewill endorse anything.
He's like I'll take anything.
And remember how Mos Def orYassin Bey talking about Drake
like Drake is target music.
Like Drake is capital.
He's like Drake's music makesme want to buy something.
And it's like, yeah, dude,that's like by design.
Of course it's not a criticism,that's what it's made for.
Anthony (32:44):
They sell a lot.
Jeff (32:48):
Fuck yeah, dude, made for it.
They sell a lot to me.
Fuck yeah, dude to me.
The only people that are gonnasay that drake won are people
that are in their 20s, who don'treally care.
You know the mumble generationwho don't care about lyrics and
shit like that, and obviouslywomen.
Right, if this means I don't,you know, this doesn't mean
anything, but I did a poll ontwitter or x and you know.
I basically just said who won.
You know kendrick and drake, orwas it a tie?
So 74% of the people hadKendrick, the other 26% had
(33:11):
Drake winning.
That feels like about right.
Mikey (33:12):
I don't know Right.
Anthony (33:16):
You want to know the problem that is.
Jeff (33:19):
What.
Anthony (33:19):
That 76% are guys like us that don't go to shows and
buy tickets and shit like that.
That 26% are the ones that goto his concerts, his shows, buy
his clothes, or they could justbe females and young
motherfuckers.
Mikey (33:33):
But see, I don't that's funny Cause I don't see, I don't
see that, as the crowd that'sthat's listening to Drake, I
don't know, I don't, I don'tlook like.
I mean, dude, drake is likehe's old, like a lot of like
young zoomers.
I don't think that they're likelooking at drake like he's the
hot shit that I want to listento right now.
I think they look at him aslike he's the like, you know,
initial kind of version of whatspawned a lot of the mumble
(33:56):
rappers and shit that they like.
So they might, they might lookat him as like, oh, he's like
whatever.
I think, dude, there's a fairamount of like young people that
I think I think drake is kindof creepy, like that he's.
They know he's performative,they know he's weird with women,
they, you know he's, he's like.
I mean, dude, I just like lookup the video on Tik TOK or
Instagram where the personthrows the Jordan three at him
(34:17):
and then he, he goes like thisand he acts like he's like fake
pulling a gun and it's so dorky,it's such a dad move or
whatever.
You're like, oh man, you lookso hardcore.
He's also wearing a fuckingMissy Elliott.
You know how.
He wears that fuckingbulletproof vest looking thing,
that Nike strap-on vest, in alot of his concerts.
(34:38):
So he's wearing that and thenhe's got just this big balloon
outfit and he looks like he'spulling a gun.
I just think people don't thinkhe's authentic and I think that
means a lot, especially foryoung kids.
I think they're like nah, he'sjust kind of like he's not
authentic and I'm not behind him.
I think people know that,kendrick is more authentic, even
even mumble rap kids.
Yeah, you're probably rightabout that and they're both the
(34:58):
same age.
They're both 37 is that rightyeah?
Yeah I see, I don't knowthey're both literally the same
age.
Anthony (35:05):
Like kendrick might seem older just because of the
music he puts out, but they'rethe same age.
Mikey (35:09):
Yeah, kendrick seems older also because he just feels
more what's the wordintellectual or something like
that More mature.
Jeff (35:17):
I don't know, or something I don't know More in depth.
Mikey (35:22):
He's deeper when you look at a picture of Kendrick.
It's like that dude feels.
He feels like he's like a beenthrough some shit and like beef,
like he's got a busy brain likedrake kind of.
Looks like he's like man.
I wonder when I'm gonna drinkmy next pina colada, like he
just doesn't seem like he's gota lot going on in there.
Jeff (35:38):
You know what I found interesting too.
Like nobody from drake's camphas come out and said anything
right.
Like no, not wayne, not NickiMinaj, not anybody from the camp
has said a word.
Anthony (35:50):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
That's.
This is not a Young Moneyproblem.
This is over your issue.
That's your label.
Jeff (35:57):
You deal with that shit, but that's what I'm saying.
They're like yeah, you know,we're cleaning our hands.
The only thing I've seen onlineis, like you know and they
might be old clips of,supposedly you know Wayne's
admitting that Drake fucked hisgirl or his ex-girl or whatever
it was right, while he was injail, or some shit.
Anthony (36:13):
It's always the one.
Mikey (36:14):
He was comforting her, yeah, and like all those people
in that world haven't all fuckedeach other Like, come on, get
over it, wayne, you don't evenremember.
Anthony (36:23):
They rotate the same women all the time.
Mikey (36:24):
Right.
Anthony (36:29):
So don't get mad by it.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's.
The thing is that, more thananything else it brought uh,
despite this violence that'shappened recently, it's really
shined an overdue andappreciated life of hip-hop
because, like when you'rehearing about it, like on the
news and like a stage, stationsand metrics and sections of life
that people don't think willpick up on it, that they're
(36:51):
talking about it.
That's the best thing andthat's why I said we were
talking about that whole number.
One thing A lot of peopledidn't know Jay.
A lot of people didn't know Nas.
A lot of people know Drake anda lot of people know Nas within
and especially outside of theculture, when it's people that
you won't think would be askingand like, have you heard about?
It was a woman at my job.
I had zero idea that she wasinterested in hip-hop.
(37:12):
You heard about this beef.
You heard about the records.
I'm like right, you, yeah, Ilistened to you, like you.
Mikey (37:19):
Okay, tell me, I have a friend who's wow, I have a
friend who's whose grandfatherhas been texting her
grandfather's like 80 and he'slike whoa what he's like man,
this, this drake and kendrickfeud, is really heated up how
the fuck, does that dude knowabout it?
it's awesome, this shit isreviving the culture.
Yeah, I mean.
It's also like I think there'sa lot of.
I mean.
The thing for me is like youasked when?
(37:40):
When does it go too far?
And it's like you know, I can'tremember who's who's, whoever
said keep it on wax, but likethe like.
The thing for me is like whenviolence starts happening, like
the fucking Drake security guard, that dude doesn't give a shit
about this fight.
Like he's just got a job.
That like he's looking afterDrake's weird $100 million
Canadian bank looking house.
(38:00):
And it's like don't shoot thatguy.
Like fuck, come on, that's whenit's gone too far.
Like you can't't.
You know if they want to beatthe shit out of each other,
great, but like don't, don't,let it, just just keep it on
record.
And like I don't know, you guyscan talk shit about each other,
but I, what I always want tohave someone do in these
situations, is like the oneperson comes and talks shit
about them.
The other person is just like Idon't even care.
(38:20):
It's like you guys are so richand so famous.
It's like why do you even givea fuck about any of this?
Like you're acting.
You know it's like it showsyour insecurity when you get so
heated about it yeah, I mean.
Jeff (38:31):
The moral of the story is keep it on wax.
Ultimately, we win nobody wins,but us right, this is
entertainment for us.
You know what I mean.
They're gonna still be rich.
They're gonna still have asuccessful career.
Keep the shit on.
Mikey (38:42):
Wax, no violence they're both probably they're probably
best friends with each other.
Just like counting cash on anisland right now, kissing a
little bit, oops.
Jeff (38:50):
And they'll squash it and then they'll have a song
together, and then that'll bethe highest streamed song of all
time.
Mikey (38:54):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, there's also just alot of bullshit out there and I
think there's a lot of peoplethere are too many people that
have too many ears and eyes onthem that are saying things that
aren't true about everybody.
That's famous and it's like Ithink everybody just needs to
calm down.
Like there's a lot of likeDiddy We'll talk about that on a
different show but I meanthere's a lot of these
accusations that have been madethat I'm like that's not a true
(39:15):
story, whatever.
Jeff (39:22):
I don't know what you're trying to do to get your, your
likes and your views up, butthat's you know stand down right
Because people are crazy outhere.
Mikey (39:27):
No way.
Jeff (39:28):
But yo, I'm out of here, man.
So just you know.
Holler at the websitethecultureone.
Check out our YouTube at theCulture 2020.
Mikey Shee, what you got goingon.
Mikey (39:37):
Yeah, so I host a podcast with my wife called Mikey and
Rin Eat In.
Join us for a lot of swearwords and food and fun stuff.
Jeff (39:46):
What else do I have going on?
I don't know.
Just look me up.
I saw you online doing somestand-up.
You doing stand-up now?
Yeah, I was doing somestorytelling.
Mikey (39:52):
Yeah, I tell you can go on YouTube and look it up.
It's, yeah, I don't know.
Well, anyways, go to my yeah,go to at Mikey and Rin and it's
linked to it in there.
But yeah, I've been doing somestorytelling and my whole story
(40:15):
is just about jacking off so ifyou like funny stories about
masturbation, then jump on in yo.
Anthony (40:17):
If this shit goes skyrocketing like man.
I heard her in a coach likejerking off, like bro, it's not
that kind of show when you bringme on my life, sorry yeah, like
it's like I'll talk about somesomething I did not, something I
do now like you.
Like no, motherfucker, it's notthe point.
When I was, when I was 12, yeah, I did this.
I'm a grown man married yeah, Iain't got to do that, no more
(40:40):
unless it's well, let's want totry something different, but in
reality we don't need to discussthat well, I don't know, still
I'll check it out, yeah youshould check it out all right
man, the culture yo peace.
yo, yo yo, we are back.
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the culture
podcast.
I am jeff.
I'm joined here by my main man,pots and pan, anthony austin jr
, if he decides to show his face.
And of course, we have ourspecial guest, resident guest
(00:20):
and culture crew member, mikey.
Mikey (00:22):
She was good hi, hi guys, it's been a while.
Jeff (00:26):
Good to be back.
It's been a minute.
It's been a minute.
Mikey (00:32):
It's been 20.
Jeff (00:32):
20 minutes.
Mikey (00:33):
I don't know.
It's been many minutes.
I feel like I haven't been onwith you guys and there's so
many things that have happenedand so much music that comes out
.
I mean, just so the listenersknow, we have kind of like an
ongoing text thread where we'realways kind of sending each
other new stuff or chitting onsomething that came out.
So we're always talking but youdon't get to hear it.
Until today.
We're coming to your ears.
Jeff (00:53):
Yeah, I mean, even me and Ed haven't really recorded as
much lately.
A lot has been going on and alot has happened since we last
recorded, so we're going to getinto it.
I mean, we're going to dissectand discuss everything Drake
versus Kendrick, who won, wholost and who came out looking
like a bitch in all of this.
There he is with his Tasmaniandevil hat.
Ooh, love a Taz.
I got my little blue screenbehind me.
(01:16):
It looks like Mikey Shee's insome type of sauna trying to
lose weight.
Mikey (01:19):
I'm in a sauna.
Yeah, the weight loss is notgoing too good Sauna's full.
Jeff (01:25):
Yeah, the weight loss is not going too good.
It's on us full of beer, right,quick, speaking of a green
screen, last video we did me andAnt was like a reaction video
right, where we made fun of likeshit that Biden and Trump be
saying.
Mikey (01:33):
Yeah.
Jeff (01:35):
And so it's up on YouTube.
Y'all can check that out on theCulture page.
But somebody left a comment onthe video.
And somebody said because Anthad like green screen image of
like a house behind him.
And somebody commented Anthonyis so rich he has to green
screen a middle class person'shome.
I thought that was funny.
(01:55):
I'll be in the trenches.
Anthony (01:56):
That was just a big belief.
That's the future.
That ain't now.
I wish it was.
It ain't now, though, All right.
Jeff (02:03):
So, man, let's get right into this shit.
Man, kendrick Lamar versusDrizzy Drake Aubrey.
Anthony (02:12):
What the fuck is his last?
Jeff (02:12):
name Meet the Grams Graham , graham, aubrey, graham.
Anthony (02:14):
It's in the title Meet the Grams.
Jeff (02:17):
Yeah, correct, all right.
So this I want to say that thisbeef has been going on for many
years, right, they've beenthrowing jabs at each other back
and forth for a long time.
I want to say it goes back tothat Big Sean song Control,
right, when Kendrick came on andhe just dissed everybody,
including Drake, yeah.
But more recently it gotreignited when Drake and J Cole
(02:43):
did a song together, and J Colehas has a line which is not even
a diss, but you know, he'sbasically saying like who's the
best?
Is it k dot, is it aubrey or me?
We're the big three.
Like we started a league, right, yeah, and drake drake might
have thrown some jabs atkendrick in that song, but then
kendrick comes back and he makesa song and he's like, fuck, a
big three is just a big me,right.
Mikey (03:01):
And then everything goes to hell it feels so reminiscent
of the cannabis.
Ll cool j that, like the youknow.
He says let me borrow the micfrom your arm whatever he wasn't
even saying he has a diss.
It's like he's just sayingthere's like you know, I don't
know, it's like the, it's likesporting good, sportsmanship or
whatever, and then it's justlike, well, and then all of
their did all the stuff in thepast, like before that I feel
(03:22):
like just about.
It was literally just aboutlike like who was the best
lyricist or like what.
It was just like little.
You know like I'm going torhyme on this better than you.
It wasn't.
I didn't feel like it wasintense.
I feel like it was that like itreminded me of one.
Jeff (03:37):
It's also like when ice cube heard um common say
something yeah, say somethingyeah, and he, you know, he
thought it was a jab at him whenit really wasn't.
He was like I thought I heardsomething yeah.
So then in the past two weekshas been just all hell has
broken loose.
Kendrick has released like whatlike four diss songs.
I think that's right, I think Icounted four Super quick and
then Drake has released whatlike two or three.
Mikey (04:01):
I thought it was equal, I thought it was four and four,
something like that.
Jeff (04:04):
I think it's four and three.
I could be wrong.
Rick Ross threw his hat in thewall.
Even Kanye tried to dabble.
Even Kanye made a song where hetried to side with Kendrick.
He went at Cole and Drake.
He has to stay relevant somehow.
Anthony (04:20):
White boy, you wearing a dark little drone, white boy,
I love that line.
White boy, you wearing DrLittle Drone, white boy, I love
that line.
Jeff (04:28):
So I'm going to let y'all tell me what y'all think so far,
man, and what's going on, man.
Anthony (04:32):
Drake is over.
All right, let's even throughall this.
Drake's career is not over.
It's just like Kendrick saidMake the songs that make people
happy, make them dance, makethem sing, and you'll be fine.
What he's exactly going to dois not going to change nothing,
man, it's just.
It's kind of brought to lightand I won't even say exposed.
It just made it very clear.
(04:52):
Like, all right, let's justdisregard the whole Canadian
thing.
The guy's an actor.
The guy goes to Atlanta forclout, like he jumps on every
wave, every phrase, he changeshis dialect, he changes his
dialect, he changes his tone, hechanges his clothes, his swag.
It's everything just dependingon the particular things.
And, like I said, he is of theculture but he is not fully part
(05:14):
of it because of the shit likethat that he does.
Like you're stealing from this,you're borrowing from these
artists, you're putting them ontracks and it's beneficial for
both parties, but it's nothelping them.
What's Youngboy?
I remember Drake jumped onsomething with some kid named, I
think, blockboy or somethinglike that, went to do the stupid
(05:34):
little dance where they hoparound on one leg or some shit,
and he's in the video doing itwith him.
But after that you ain't neverheard nothing from him.
He'd come on there, he'd jumpon it.
He got what he got from him.
He moved forward.
He does siphon the shit awayand call it a day.
Kendrick just brought that tolight.
It doesn't make Drake terriblebecause both of them are
throwing around a lot ofallegations, but the truth of
(05:56):
the matter is Drake tried to getinto the ring.
He just made actually a lot ofmistakes.
When I think about it, thebiggest one that he made is that
every record that kindredreleased when I mean I like that
he talked about him in coldshore, but euphoria 616 and um,
(06:16):
uh, not like us and meet thegrams he's not talking about as
long as though that not like usis dope.
No one else else except forDrake.
Drake talking about Rocky, hetalking about Ross, he talking
about everybody.
Like this is your target, focuson your target.
That's why the records fromKendrick is better, because all
these shits is aimed at you andonly you.
Even like I really like FamilyMatters, but the whole thing,
(06:39):
like the first two sections, isabout everybody else except for
kendrick, except for the lastpart, right, he just wasn't
focused and that's why he lostthis that reminds me of takeover
.
Yeah, for sure naming everybodybut not focused on the main
thing exactly look, speaking ofnot like us.
Jeff (06:54):
You know it broke the all-time record for biggest
single day streams of a hip-hopsong in us spotify history and
it passed drake who had therecord?
Mikey (07:01):
previously.
It's and what's interestingalso about like Drake's
responses a lot of the time wasthat he like got defensive on a
lot of things, like I am a gooddad, I'm not a child molester,
and like when it should just be,I think like a good you know a
good diss track or a good beefsong is like it's just focused
on the other person.
(07:22):
It's just you can retaliate alittle bit about what like
address what people said aboutyou, but just like go after the
other person only and it's theother thing I think it was so
amazing was to watch out howquickly it escalated.
It was like you dress like shit, you're kind of a shitty rapper
.
And then it was like well,you're a deadbeat dad and a
pedophile.
Jeff (07:43):
Let's get into some of the allegations, shall we?
Mikey (07:50):
Drake said that kendrick lamar is physically abusive to
his wife, and is that somethingthat's ever been out like?
I had never heard that's beenrumored?
Jeff (07:54):
that's been rumored just like.
Just like drake's, you know,pedophilia has been rumored.
I don't even want to say thatword because it's a strong word,
but his interest in teenagegirls, right, right, right and
it's you know.
Mikey (08:09):
Yeah, sorry, no, no, no.
Jeff (08:11):
I was going to say Drake claims that Kendrick's children
with fiancée Whitney Ford arenot his, but are former Top Dog
Entertainment president's, daveFreeze, and he also said that
Kendrick is using Feud topromote an upcoming album.
Where's this album?
Mikey (08:30):
This is the album.
He could just make an album offall the districts.
And the other thing that, like,both of them have kind of
leveled something along thelines of, like they're using the
feud to, like you know, boosttheir their um, you know, street
cred or their like visibilityor whatever, and it's like, of
course they are.
What the fuck?
Like?
What is any this?
Of course they're getting someof their most downloaded songs
out of this.
I mean, look at any beef.
All of it is based on recordsales and clout and trying to
(08:53):
just boost your sales.
So it's interesting for me thateither of them would say, oh,
you're doing this just topromote your next record or
you're doing this for whatever.
Well, of course you are.
I mean, it's not.
If you weren't, then you wouldjust be attacked like settling
this, you know, in private orwhatever, and then kendrick's
allegations.
Jeff (09:11):
He's saying that, uh, you know drake is a father to an 11
year old daughter that he hasnot claimed we've heard this
before about him having children.
Uh, he claims that drake andhis team are pedophiles and he
also called drake a mastermanipulator and a habitual liar.
Not to mention that they keepsaying and rick roth probably
(09:31):
brought it up first that youknow all the plastic surgery
that drake is getting his nosejob, a bbl, his abs surgeries
and all of this other shit.
Mikey (09:38):
Bbl, drake, what well before we?
One of the things that I wasinterested in that, because
we've kind of touched on both ofthem in like past episodes that
we've been on before.
But, like, what do each of youthink of them in general?
Like, where do they land foryou, like, are they people?
Do you listen to all theirmusic?
Do you like them?
Do you think that they'rereally good rappers, like it's,
(10:00):
you know?
I mean, I think drakeespecially is someone who, like
I think a lot of my like realhip-hop heads like won't really
include him in the canon of likehe's a rapper, like he's a hip
hop artist.
It's more like, well, you knowhe's a dude, that can you know
he's you know he's, his music'sgood, it's like it's.
it is what it is, but it's notlike.
I don't look to him for likebeing a spitter.
Jeff (10:21):
No, I don't.
I like Kendrick, I like Cole.
I don't like Cole, I don't likeDrake.
Yeah, I don't put Drake in thatdiscussion of the big three of
right now, right you?
Anthony (10:28):
know what I mean.
Jeff (10:28):
I mean obviously they are the big three because of the
record sales and the popularityand mainstream success and
whatever.
But I don't put Drake in thecaliber of those two other guys.
Mikey (10:38):
I mean I put Cole above both of them for sure, Lyrically
, yes, and Kendrick like, well,and I made a joke to you guys
over our text thread where I wassaying like they're just
battling to see who's like thebiggest pussy in art school or
something like that Like theyboth just like feel like kids
that went to art high schoolsand I don't know dude, they just
they don't, they don't, theydon't hit and they're not
(10:59):
neither of them in my top, Idon't know 20 or 50, even for
rappers, it's just not.
I don't know Kendrick'sSpeaking of.
Jeff (11:07):
Cole?
What's Speaking of Cole?
What's being lost in all ofthis is that Cole actually
dropped a diss track to Kendrickand then deleted it and then
went on and apologized, live onstage, apologized and basically
redacted and took himself out ofthis whole feud.
I thought that was the biggestbitch move in hip-hop history.
(11:29):
Why did he do that?
Because he probably saw whatwas coming.
He didn't want to be in theposition that Drake is right now
.
He was like I can see what'scoming, song after song after
song, allegations afterallegations.
This guy's about to murder me,so let me just step away now
before this kamikaze, fuckingatomic bomb hits me.
But I still thought it was asoft move, because this could
(11:52):
have been an opportunity to bethe best battle of all time and
it could have been a triplethreat, a three-way battle.
Mikey (12:00):
But I mean, for the first time ever, you didn't mention
something like that Drake'scareer is not going to be over,
or whatever.
I mean not only do I not thinkthat Drake's career is not going
to be over, or whatever, I mean, I don't not only do I not
think that Drake's career is notgoing to be over, I think he's
going to be.
I think it's going to boost hiscareer.
I mean his career is like atepic, like he's at like selling
Taylor Swift numbers now, likein his concerts and stuff, like
I don't know man, I don't thinkthat the people that like Drake
like Drake because I don't thinkthat he's like the hardest dude
(12:24):
out there.
I don't think anybody thinksthat he's the best rapper, I
mean.
And then all the allegationsabout Drake like I don't know,
they're all there.
I mean he's.
Have you guys seen the video ofhim when the guy, the person in
the crowd, throws the Jordan 3at him and he fakes like he's
pulling a gun?
Jeff (12:39):
No, but I've seen the one where he brings up a 15 or 16
year old up on stage.
You've seen that shit Well.
Mikey (12:44):
I mean, if you look at the way that those guys there's
a lot of young, young womenaround.
I mean musicians in general.
My wife and I were just talkingabout how Anthony Kiedis from
Red Hot Chili Peppers he's nowdating his like fifth
23-year-old in a row.
He's 60.
And like his20-whatever-year-old woman that
(13:05):
he's dating looks 16.
She's like a young, young,looking early 20s and it's just,
I mean that's.
We were just in la last weekand it's like, yeah, dude, I
mean that's like it's such athing.
It's such a thing.
Jeff (13:13):
But I think drake has stepped over the line on it a
lot I think this does more tocement kendrick's legacy as one
of the top artists or rappers ofthis era, more than it does
hurt drake's, you know, standingin with his fans because his
core fans are always going to behis core fans.
Yeah, I think he's not going tolose any fans.
I think Kendrick had more tolose on this, right, potentially
(13:35):
, but he he cemented his legacy.
He proved that he's the betterlyricist, the better rapper, et
cetera, et cetera.
He also just made better songs.
Right, you know, once thisblows over, drake will go back
to making songs for his coreaudience, which is predominantly
women and possibly Canadiansand whatever.
Mikey (13:54):
I don't know what Canadians listen to I think
that's true, that's interesting.
Jeff (13:57):
Yeah, I don't know.
Mikey (13:58):
I don't know what boys are.
Jeff (13:59):
And the casuals will be like whatever.
But I like when Kendrick wastelling him to not say the
N-word you can't say the N-word.
I like when Kendrick wastelling him to like not say the
N word.
Like you can't say the N wordand the whole thing is you're
white or you're white, you're awhite boy, which is a whole
other topic that we can discussin a whole other episode or
another podcast about colorismand who can say the N word?
And if you're white and you'rehalf black, right, but that's
(14:20):
like the main thing that peoplesay to him oh, you're Canadian,
you're not of the culture,you're not black, you're not
allowed to say this or that.
So I think that's an old diss.
Mikey (14:31):
What do you think about that?
To me it's like that's not.
I mean, the Canadian part ismore the thing that it's easy to
kind of diss someone who's fromCanada because it's kind of
like, I don't know, they're justkind of weenies.
Jeff (14:43):
And even like Cardinal Fishout people that I really
like.
Mikey (14:45):
I'm like, but they are Canadian At the end of the day.
I wouldn't trust them.
Cannabis is Canadian right,isn't Cannabis Canadian?
Jeff (14:51):
No, is he I don't know man .
I think he is.
Anthony (14:55):
Y'all just be having this idea like rappers are the
hardest people in the history ofthe world Right?
Mikey (14:59):
no, yeah, they're not.
Anthony (15:03):
They're really not.
99% of them just have a persona.
Sure, Most of them was neverreally street dudes like that,
something else like that, andthe ones that were, you know
like 50, he was a street dude.
He got shot Like he made it apart of his story.
Mikey (15:16):
Or gazelle the guys or something.
Anthony (15:18):
Right, hell, yeah, especially them.
So it's not the Canadian partLike we really don't care Right
(15:40):
it's the everything that Right.
Aubrey Graham.
I heard this from somebody andagain I'm not going to take
credit, but it's one of the bestlines I heard about the whole
thing.
They said that Aubrey Graham isa great actor.
The best role he ever playedwas Drake and I said you got it.
Mikey (15:57):
Yeah, that's good.
Anthony (16:00):
Grassy, you're playing a hip-hop artist who wears these
chains and does these thingsand so on and so forth.
Yeah, like I told you, I likethe Family Matters song and the
video is interesting because I'mlike what you're doing right
now is actually pretty cool.
But when I pulled back thelayers and thought about it,
you're you're proving theculture of ultra shit.
You started off Right Like you.
You spit in the gene in a chain.
(16:20):
You got all the Pharrell'snecklaces.
Jeff (16:29):
You got Tupac's ring.
Why are you collecting theseartifacts of hip-hop?
And then he used Tupac and AIlike an AI versus Tupac right.
And he used Snoop Dogg AI,which I don't think helps his
cause, because he can't beat theallegations of plagiarism and
ghostwriting and all of thisshit.
Anthony (16:39):
That's corny.
Don't do that, and that's thewhole thing.
When people say you're corny,you just prove their point for
them.
Because you do things like that, like why do you have all of
Pharrell's chains?
Why do you have the Genie chain?
Jeff (16:50):
I know the.
Anthony (16:50):
Genie chain probably came from game, but it's
whatever it's like.
I don't want a museum ofhistory of hip-hop in my house.
I want to make it.
I want y'all to have my stuff.
I'm that good.
And, like I said, with him andOVO and everything else like
that, all Kendrick was trying tosay people were like, well,
kendrick didn't say anything, hedidn't have to say anything new
(17:12):
, there is nothing new.
We're trying to explain to you.
He's not like us.
He's not that guy I'm notsaying the whole Canadian part
His style, his flow.
Jeff (17:23):
He's not like us.
He's not like us.
Anthony (17:27):
It's from somebody else .
Your swag is from somebody else, your look.
Jeff (17:29):
By the way, cannabis is Jamaican American.
I want to clear that up.
I insinuated he was Canadian.
It's probably because Eminemcalled him a Canada piss.
Mikey (17:38):
That's probably what I was thinking.
I don't know Jamaica, you knowCanada of the Caribbean, yeah,
so it's not the white boy thing.
Anthony (17:46):
The white boy thing is just funny but you're kind of
calling that because I'm likewell, what I mean?
What on?
Not like us Kendrick callingB-Rat, I'm like I see it Pretty
funny, I see it.
I mean it's the fact that itcomes to you.
Mikey (18:06):
In fact you guys I have I have an unpopular opinion that
I feel like Tupac falls into thesame category for me as Drake
on a lot of levels, like I thinkit was all a front, I think a
lot of it was an act.
I think he, I mean dude, he waslike he grew up in mill Valley.
He was like, you know, hecherry picks the things from his
(18:28):
childhood that he wants to, youknow, like, expand on.
And then, you know just, hetried to be so thugged out and I
always just felt like it feltso forced and I don't know.
So that Tupac has never beenone of my people, but it's like
when I see Drake, I oftentimeskind of like it's a huge.
I know it's not, it's a wildcomparison it's a huge.
Jeff (18:46):
I know it's not that's wild bro.
Mikey (18:46):
It's a hot take that I don't know if I can fully get
behind, but I just I've alwayskind of felt like it might get
backlash for that.
Anthony (18:51):
That's fine, I like it, I like I had the opinion man.
Yeah, that's why I say hit himup.
It's not the greatest disstrack of all east right, they
were from Jersey.
Mikey (19:09):
Yeah, but they were garbage though, and it's just it
.
But I mean, I guess to him hewas like I got people from your
own area, you know dissing youAnyway.
Jeff (19:20):
But when does it get too far right?
Because if it's on wax, jay andNas, you know that's fine.
But now we're talking aboutpedophilia allegations and
Drake's people are getting shotup.
One of his security guards gotshot and is in critical
condition.
You know, people are gettingshot outside his mansions, His
stores are getting vandalizedand shit like this Do you think,
okay, the shooting, is thatsomething from Kendrick?
Mikey (19:43):
I mean, it's maybe from someone that loves Kendrick or
whatever, but do you think thatKendrick wanted that to happen?
I doubt it.
Jeff (19:49):
Probably not.
I'm not saying it's a directresult, but again, it could be a
direct result.
Anthony (19:53):
That's right.
People are crazy.
We know fans are crazy, it's sostupid?
Jeff (19:57):
You know affiliations.
You don't know what type ofaffiliations are going on,
compton you know what I'm saying.
Anthony (20:03):
See that shit and blame it on Kendrick.
When Kendrick was talking aboutDrake, Drake was talking about
a lot of people.
It could be anybody.
Jeff (20:08):
Well, that's true, that's true.
Yeah, that's a fact.
Anthony (20:12):
Like you shit on Metro every song.
You shit on Ross, you shit on alot of people in them records.
Don't blame Kendrick.
Like don't say it's just me.
You got a lot of other suspectsout here and that might it
really might sound that might besome Canadian beef.
There might be some shit goingon.
It's a poutine.
Mikey (20:32):
I wonder what Canadian beef looks like?
Anthony (20:32):
It's a poutine restaurant that Drake gave one
star and they're like whatevery'all got going on Toronto, keep
that shit up there, dog Forsure.
Keep that shit up North.
Mikey (20:41):
It does feel like the, but I don't know.
It's like I think back at a lotof the best diss songs and it's
like I think about LL versus.
I mean, dude, think about IceCube.
They said some pretty wild shit, so it's not like the
allegations, especially thatKendrick is throwing, are like.
I mean, maybe they're unfoundedbut they are going around.
Jeff (21:01):
But a lot of those beefs that you mentioned from back in
the day started off of amisinterpretation.
Mikey (21:06):
Oh, for sure.
Jeff (21:06):
You know what I'm saying?
Something stupid.
I think you said something.
I heard you say something Amisunderstanding the majority of
the time, for sure.
I don't know what this is.
I don't even know how tocategorize this Drake versus
Kendrick shit, because it's beengoing on for years and now it's
just finally escalated toanother level.
Anthony (21:24):
It didn't have to Kend.
It didn't have to Kendrick gavehim out.
In the end he said if you wantto go further, it's something
you don't want to do.
We could have just stopped thatright there.
I'm giving you this out.
We can take it further.
That's something you don't wantto do.
He wasn't kidding.
Once you stepped over the line,I gave you a fair warning.
Here you go, boom.
Now you get everything thrownback and forth and that's the
(21:45):
worst part.
And here's okay, when you'rethinking about beefs in online
scene in the sense of hip-hop,they're all lies, it's all
innuendo.
I don't think Jay left a condomin the baby seat, right?
I don't think that Tupac hadsex with Faith.
I don't think that.
You know that's questionable.
Jeff (22:07):
Faith been around all the time she would have said
something that man been dead Ifsomething would have happened
she ain't got no books to sell.
Anthony (22:11):
She would have said that would have happened.
Jeff (22:15):
Now, mc Search did say that Nas was getting paid every
time Jay sampled him, so that'sthe only thing that we know for
sure to be true.
Anthony (22:20):
Right, but that's not one of them.
Jeff (22:22):
headline allegations Like I slept with your wife jay said
I know who I paid dog searchlike publishing, you ain't get a
coin dog.
Yeah, I did right but.
Anthony (22:32):
But that's just speaking facts.
Most time they're all lyinglike I don't think jerry heller
actually has sex with easy eright right right, I mean, but
like common, you know, likesaying that diddy was ruining
hip-hop.
Mikey (22:44):
I mean like you know, some of those like I always
thought that some of the thingsthat common leveled at,
especially at Diddy, were like Iwas.
I was always amazed thosedidn't go further.
That does not that like Diddywould have like had a comeback
track or something, but I wasalways amazed that like common
never got his ass kicked orsomething.
Jeff (23:01):
Backpacker from fucking Chicago.
But all right, this is thequestion.
So is this?
Where do you put this battleamong the greats?
Is this the new Jay versus Nas?
Better?
Is this the new Big versus Pac?
Mikey (23:18):
Wait better.
Better than Jay versus.
Jeff (23:21):
Nas.
Anthony (23:21):
Yeah.
Jeff (23:22):
If you say that, then this is the best battle of all time,
then to you yeah, easy.
I mean, it's probably in my topthree.
I don't know if I'm ready toput it above.
It's above it.
Anthony (23:31):
I know your love for Nas, not letting you put above
it, but it's above it.
Mikey (23:34):
Right, I mean I loved the LL Cannabis one, but the status
and the stature of Drake andKendrick are so big Right,
they're both so big, big.
It's like this is titans goingat each other.
It's, it is.
I mean, it's jay-z naz and I, Idon't know.
I feel like the fact that itwas such rapid succession and
they were firing out songs, likeyou know, in under a day,
(23:56):
that's that's.
I don't know.
Jeff (23:58):
It was exciting what did they put out?
That's another thing, too, thatthe guys that jay and naz
didn't have right.
They didn't have social media,they didn't have the digital
digital platforms Drake released.
What was the song that Drakereleased?
Was it Euphoria or whatever thefuck?
What was it called?
Anthony (24:11):
Family Matters.
Jeff (24:13):
Was it.
Anthony (24:13):
Tupac or the other one.
Jeff (24:15):
The one that Kendrick responded to like 45 minutes
later Family Matters right.
You couldn't do that back inthe day, right?
We had to wait for weeks,sometimes even months, for a
response.
You know what I mean.
You had sometimes even monthsfor a response.
You know I mean.
You had to like, you had to buystudio time, you had to get in
the booth, you had to do all ofthis shit.
Anthony (24:33):
Now you go on your phone record some boom, it's out
, it's all over the internet,it's all over the world.
Right, but with jen nye's, theonly release three songs.
Jeff (24:38):
That was it right, just just just yeah, but nobody was
releasing anything in 40 minutesbut, but it's still three but,
and the whole thing is like.
Anthony (24:47):
The first one is that I don't know how much you can say
that is a distant knowledge,because it's, it's literally,
it's just like that verse forwhich one?
Jeff (24:56):
we're talking about the takeover.
Yeah, because it's just like heyeah, he, yeah.
But he did my deep and then hedid nas.
He had different verses foreverybody.
Anthony (25:02):
He came with that then like okay, there's your opening
salvo.
He shoots back with ether, hethen comes back with super, then
it's over no, no, no.
Naz had the freestyle, the j tothe homo shit, whatever it was
yeah, and then, like I said,it's the whole gay shit they
always throwing around likenothing special.
You have, probably, of thethree rappers in this era, two
of the three best it would.
(25:23):
It would have been number oneif it was cole and kendrick.
It would have been number oneif it was Cole and Kendrick.
It would have been number oneif it was Cole and Drake,
because you have the guys at thetop of the tier Now.
Jay was at the pinnacle of rapat the time.
Nas was a touch below.
We're not talking about lyricalability.
This adds in a sense ofpopularity amongst the senses of
people, the touch below.
Yeah, both of these dudesstanding on the top of two
(25:45):
mountains shooting across ateach other, like well, one of us
is going to have to die, one ofus is going to have to fall off
this mountain.
That's what puts you number one.
You put out seven songs in lessthan three weeks and you're
still waiting for one morebecause Kendrick doesn't seem
like someone who's going to lethim have the last word.
So we're still pitching.
So it'd be eight songs in thatperiod of time.
Jeff (26:04):
I feel like Kendrick has a bunch more already recorded.
Mikey (26:07):
He's just Well, he has like stuff, you know.
I mean he's Like he broughtJack Antonoff in for 616.
And so then it like brings allthe Swifties into the battle.
But, it's like Kendrick justfelt like he's locked and loaded
, like I feel like he has beatsready that he can fire out.
The other thing that we're likewas a lot of the old beefs is
(26:27):
that you had to wait to issue asingle.
But you had to it like maybeyou could issue a single or a cd
single or whatever, but likeit's not like.
And then you know in the likeuh, downloads time or whatever,
you could put something outquickly.
But I mean, like I rememberwhen like it was the ll cool j
and and uh cannabis thing, itwas like you were waiting to
download, like to illegallystream something when they put
(26:49):
it out, but it was hard to find.
Now it's just like it's instant.
It can go on TikTok and go onwhatever and it's just instantly
in the zeitgeist.
So you can like put somethingout, record it into your phone,
fucking fire it out in 20minutes or whatever, and it's
just like the system is readyfor it.
Now I don't know, I mean it's,I want.
Anthony (27:06):
Go ahead, brother Go ahead.
Jeff (27:07):
I just wanted to circle back to fucking J Cole, because
it still bothers me that hebacked out of this shit.
Why?
Because I thought this shitwould have just made it.
The dynamic would have beendifferent.
A triple threat match, bro, itwould have been a fucking.
Mikey (27:26):
I mean he doesn't necessarily like diss anybody,
but he talks shit about things.
He's like he's edgy, I don'tknow.
I thought that he was going toget into it.
I thought might he might evengo even harder than the other
two, but so I'm just I don'tknow what the back.
I would love to know thebackstory of that, like why he
didn't want to get involved,because it's like it seems to me
like I think he ain't want tosmoke, yeah, but.
But I mean he could get someclout out of it.
Anthony (27:49):
Y'all overthinking this shit.
Man J Cole likes Kendrick,Kendrick hates Drake.
Jeff (27:58):
I mean J Cole is the reason Kendrick got signed to
fucking Aftermath or whatever.
Anthony (28:04):
I hate the way that you talk.
Jeff (28:06):
He doesn't like him as a person, because what he's doing
to the cult.
Anthony (28:09):
He doesn't like him as a person because what he's doing
to the cult he doesn't like himat all.
He respects him as an artist,doesn't like him as a person.
So you're going to get vitriolif he had, if he had, kendrick
and cole, you're gonna get somealbums, but you're not gonna get
that level of violence.
You're not gonna get that levelof anger between them because
they actually like each other.
They're not.
They're kind of cut from thesame cloth.
They just seem different.
(28:29):
But they both got fucked upbraids.
They both were just like sayingsome black power shit.
Jeff (28:33):
That's what they do.
It's fine, there's zeroargument there, but Kendrick,
but Kendrick.
Telling Drake that he doesn'tlike the way he dressed to me is
the most ironic shit of hisentire battle, bro, considering
the way he dressed.
Anthony (28:45):
Yeah, but he stole that shit from DMX because DMX was
on the radio.
He was like what do you thinkabout Drake?
I hate the way he walks, theway he talks, the way he looks,
the way he dresses.
I hate everything about him,yeah of course, but I mean
Kendrick.
Mikey (28:57):
well, I don't know, I don't hate the way that Kendrick
dresses as much as I feel likeDrake Because Drake I mean
stupid fucking shoes all thetime and he's like he's.
I don't know I hate his style.
I used to like it.
Actually, kendrick at leastlike how he feels, like he's not
flashy, he doesn't wear a lotof jewelry, he's kind of got
like a street style.
He's got an la style.
I don't know.
Anthony (29:16):
I like the way that kendrick's didn't dress is great
dress is like a builder rapper,is it do rag?
And sweatsuits, and in goldchains like oh, it's like.
All right, your style iship-hop, but it's like, again,
it's a problem, it feelsborrowed, like I know I've seen
this before yeah like, so he'slike what ai would draw up.
Mikey (29:37):
If you told him to draw up, he looks like a rapper on
the front of the like limpbiscuit album from the 90s is
where it's like a dude with hiswith his hat like big old JNCO
jeans or whatever, and he's likeyeah, I'm a rapper, I'm like
cool, Drake.
Jeff (29:51):
I used to like that album, by the way.
Mikey (29:52):
I mean that Method man song was good.
Actually there's a couple wedon't need to talk about.
Jeff (29:57):
Limp Bizkit on this episode.
Mikey (29:58):
But I went back into Limp Bizkit and I was kind of like,
oh, maybe it's not that bad, butthey have an exhibit.
I think he has exhibit on theretoo.
There was a um.
There was like a a tick tockvideo or someone.
There was a person that that helike talks to artists and and
tells it has them go throughtheir whole outfit and tell them
like where he got, where theygot stuff, how much this stuff
is worth or whatever.
This is right after Drake hadthe, the chain made, that's like
(30:19):
$24 million or whatever.
Um, and he had, like I thinkhis jeans were like $300,000.
It was some wild number, right.
So his whole outfit was like$40 million.
Whatever it was.
It was some stupid amount ofmoney.
And he looked like he had justgone into like a motorcycle shop
and then like a 90s throwbackjean store and then throwing the
(30:40):
shit on.
He looked like such a dumbassand he was like I have $40
million and I was just waitingfor the end of the video I
million.
And I was just waiting for theend of the video.
I wanted someone to come up andjust jack him at the end and
take his necklace and take hispants.
Jeff (30:51):
But I remember before we go because I know it has to have
something to do.
Anthony (30:56):
If you need it, I got a minute.
The reason why we got to kindof cut this short is because I
have to do something with mygoddaughter, because her
graduation is coming up and herprom is coming up and her prom
is coming up and that's it.
But she hasn't got here yetbecause she didn't text me.
So if you want to run a littlemore, we got time, that's great.
Jeff (31:14):
Ultimately, the ultimate question I wanted to ask is
who's winning and or who won?
For me, it's obviously Kendrick.
Maybe I'm biased, I don't know.
I think Kendrick got it in thebag.
Mikey (31:26):
I don't know, I think Kendrick got it in a bag.
I think Kendrick won the battle.
Jeff (31:32):
I think Drake is going to win career-wise.
And here comes Ant to playdevil's advocate.
Anthony (31:38):
No, I agree, he's actually right, because Kendrick
apparently seems to be one ofthose artists who wants to take
time with his art.
You don't see a lot of Kendrickfeatures on much of anything,
so that's why the whole likethat thing.
The song would have been good,but if he wasn't on it, you
don't have this problem becausehe rarely comes outside.
(32:00):
So once he came outside withthis, oh, he got something to
say.
He'll release an album, take acouple years off, do another.
Drake is going to constantly bein your ear.
He's going to be on thisfeature, that feature, his album
.
He's a guy who really doesthink he's Michael Jackson.
He wants that level of fame.
He wants that so to be that youhave to stay in the public
(32:20):
conscious all the time.
That's exactly what he's doing.
Mikey (32:23):
Well, and Drake's like Shaq man that dude will endorse
anything.
He.
Drake's like Shaq man that dudewill endorse anything.
He's like I'll take anything.
And remember how Mos Def orYassin Bey talking about Drake
like Drake is target music.
Like Drake is capital.
He's like Drake's music makesme want to buy something.
And it's like, yeah, dude,that's like by design.
Of course it's not a criticism,that's what it's made for.
Anthony (32:44):
They sell a lot.
Jeff (32:48):
Fuck yeah, dude, made for it.
They sell a lot to me.
Fuck yeah, dude to me.
The only people that are gonnasay that drake won are people
that are in their 20s, who don'treally care.
You know the mumble generationwho don't care about lyrics and
shit like that, and obviouslywomen.
Right, if this means I don't,you know, this doesn't mean
anything, but I did a poll ontwitter or x and you know.
I basically just said who won.
You know kendrick and drake, orwas it a tie?
So 74% of the people hadKendrick, the other 26% had
(33:11):
Drake winning.
That feels like about right.
Mikey (33:12):
I don't know Right.
Anthony (33:16):
You want to know the problem that is.
Jeff (33:19):
What.
Anthony (33:19):
That 76% are guys like us that don't go to shows and
buy tickets and shit like that.
That 26% are the ones that goto his concerts, his shows, buy
his clothes, or they could justbe females and young
motherfuckers.
Mikey (33:33):
But see, I don't that's funny Cause I don't see, I don't
see that, as the crowd that'sthat's listening to Drake, I
don't know, I don't, I don'tlook like.
I mean, dude, drake is likehe's old, like a lot of like
young zoomers.
I don't think that they're likelooking at drake like he's the
hot shit that I want to listento right now.
I think they look at him aslike he's the like, you know,
initial kind of version of whatspawned a lot of the mumble
(33:56):
rappers and shit that they like.
So they might, they might lookat him as like, oh, he's like
whatever.
I think, dude, there's a fairamount of like young people that
I think I think drake is kindof creepy, like that he's.
They know he's performative,they know he's weird with women,
they, you know he's, he's like.
I mean, dude, I just like lookup the video on Tik TOK or
Instagram where the personthrows the Jordan three at him
(34:17):
and then he, he goes like thisand he acts like he's like fake
pulling a gun and it's so dorky,it's such a dad move or
whatever.
You're like, oh man, you lookso hardcore.
He's also wearing a fuckingMissy Elliott.
You know how.
He wears that fuckingbulletproof vest looking thing,
that Nike strap-on vest, in alot of his concerts.
(34:38):
So he's wearing that and thenhe's got just this big balloon
outfit and he looks like he'spulling a gun.
I just think people don't thinkhe's authentic and I think that
means a lot, especially foryoung kids.
I think they're like nah, he'sjust kind of like he's not
authentic and I'm not behind him.
I think people know that,kendrick is more authentic, even
even mumble rap kids.
Yeah, you're probably rightabout that and they're both the
(34:58):
same age.
They're both 37 is that rightyeah?
Yeah I see, I don't knowthey're both literally the same
age.
Anthony (35:05):
Like kendrick might seem older just because of the
music he puts out, but they'rethe same age.
Mikey (35:09):
Yeah, kendrick seems older also because he just feels
more what's the wordintellectual or something like
that More mature.
Jeff (35:17):
I don't know, or something I don't know More in depth.
Mikey (35:22):
He's deeper when you look at a picture of Kendrick.
It's like that dude feels.
He feels like he's like a beenthrough some shit and like beef,
like he's got a busy brain likedrake kind of.
Looks like he's like man.
I wonder when I'm gonna drinkmy next pina colada, like he
just doesn't seem like he's gota lot going on in there.
Jeff (35:38):
You know what I found interesting too.
Like nobody from drake's camphas come out and said anything
right.
Like no, not wayne, not NickiMinaj, not anybody from the camp
has said a word.
Anthony (35:50):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
That's.
This is not a Young Moneyproblem.
This is over your issue.
That's your label.
Jeff (35:57):
You deal with that shit, but that's what I'm saying.
They're like yeah, you know,we're cleaning our hands.
The only thing I've seen onlineis, like you know and they
might be old clips of,supposedly you know Wayne's
admitting that Drake fucked hisgirl or his ex-girl or whatever
it was right, while he was injail, or some shit.
Anthony (36:13):
It's always the one.
Mikey (36:14):
He was comforting her, yeah, and like all those people
in that world haven't all fuckedeach other Like, come on, get
over it, wayne, you don't evenremember.
Anthony (36:23):
They rotate the same women all the time.
Mikey (36:24):
Right.
Anthony (36:29):
So don't get mad by it.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's.
The thing is that, more thananything else it brought uh,
despite this violence that'shappened recently, it's really
shined an overdue andappreciated life of hip-hop
because, like when you'rehearing about it, like on the
news and like a stage, stationsand metrics and sections of life
that people don't think willpick up on it, that they're
(36:51):
talking about it.
That's the best thing andthat's why I said we were
talking about that whole number.
One thing A lot of peopledidn't know Jay.
A lot of people didn't know Nas.
A lot of people know Drake anda lot of people know Nas within
and especially outside of theculture, when it's people that
you won't think would be askingand like, have you heard about?
It was a woman at my job.
I had zero idea that she wasinterested in hip-hop.
(37:12):
You heard about this beef.
You heard about the records.
I'm like right, you, yeah, Ilistened to you, like you.
Mikey (37:19):
Okay, tell me, I have a friend who's wow, I have a
friend who's whose grandfatherhas been texting her
grandfather's like 80 and he'slike whoa what he's like man,
this, this drake and kendrickfeud, is really heated up how
the fuck, does that dude knowabout it?
it's awesome, this shit isreviving the culture.
Yeah, I mean.
It's also like I think there'sa lot of.
I mean.
The thing for me is like youasked when?
(37:40):
When does it go too far?
And it's like you know, I can'tremember who's who's, whoever
said keep it on wax, but likethe like.
The thing for me is like whenviolence starts happening, like
the fucking Drake security guard, that dude doesn't give a shit
about this fight.
Like he's just got a job.
That like he's looking afterDrake's weird $100 million
Canadian bank looking house.
(38:00):
And it's like don't shoot thatguy.
Like fuck, come on, that's whenit's gone too far.
Like you can't't.
You know if they want to beatthe shit out of each other,
great, but like don't, don't,let it, just just keep it on
record.
And like I don't know, you guyscan talk shit about each other,
but I, what I always want tohave someone do in these
situations, is like the oneperson comes and talks shit
about them.
The other person is just like Idon't even care.
(38:20):
It's like you guys are so richand so famous.
It's like why do you even givea fuck about any of this?
Like you're acting.
You know it's like it showsyour insecurity when you get so
heated about it yeah, I mean.
Jeff (38:31):
The moral of the story is keep it on wax.
Ultimately, we win nobody wins,but us right, this is
entertainment for us.
You know what I mean.
They're gonna still be rich.
They're gonna still have asuccessful career.
Keep the shit on.
Mikey (38:42):
Wax, no violence they're both probably they're probably
best friends with each other.
Just like counting cash on anisland right now, kissing a
little bit, oops.
Jeff (38:50):
And they'll squash it and then they'll have a song
together, and then that'll bethe highest streamed song of all
time.
Mikey (38:54):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, there's also just alot of bullshit out there and I
think there's a lot of peoplethere are too many people that
have too many ears and eyes onthem that are saying things that
aren't true about everybody.
That's famous and it's like Ithink everybody just needs to
calm down.
Like there's a lot of likeDiddy We'll talk about that on a
different show but I meanthere's a lot of these
accusations that have been madethat I'm like that's not a true
(39:15):
story, whatever.
Jeff (39:22):
I don't know what you're trying to do to get your, your
likes and your views up, butthat's you know stand down right
Because people are crazy outhere.
Mikey (39:27):
No way.
Jeff (39:28):
But yo, I'm out of here, man.
So just you know.
Holler at the websitethecultureone.
Check out our YouTube at theCulture 2020.
Mikey Shee, what you got goingon.
Mikey (39:37):
Yeah, so I host a podcast with my wife called Mikey and
Rin Eat In.
Join us for a lot of swearwords and food and fun stuff.
Jeff (39:46):
What else do I have going on?
I don't know.
Just look me up.
I saw you online doing somestand-up.
You doing stand-up now?
Yeah, I was doing somestorytelling.
Mikey (39:52):
Yeah, I tell you can go on YouTube and look it up.
It's, yeah, I don't know.
Well, anyways, go to my yeah,go to at Mikey and Rin and it's
linked to it in there.
But yeah, I've been doing somestorytelling and my whole story
(40:15):
is just about jacking off so ifyou like funny stories about
masturbation, then jump on in yo.
Anthony (40:17):
If this shit goes skyrocketing like man.
I heard her in a coach likejerking off, like bro, it's not
that kind of show when you bringme on my life, sorry yeah, like
it's like I'll talk about somesomething I did not, something I
do now like you.
Like no, motherfucker, it's notthe point.
When I was, when I was 12, yeah, I did this.
I'm a grown man married yeah, Iain't got to do that, no more
(40:40):
unless it's well, let's want totry something different, but in
reality we don't need to discussthat well, I don't know, still
I'll check it out, yeah youshould check it out all right
man, the culture yo peace.
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