Monkey Business

Erica Mena calls dancehall queen, Spice, a monkey. We dissect the cultural implications about the racial slur and the aftermath of the social backlash.

Episode Breakdown:

What's truly going on behind the scenes of celebrity relationships? Is black love being accurately reflected by these public figures? Unravel the complexities of Remy Ma and Papoose's relationship as we dissect the controversies and speculation surrounding them. We question whether Papoose's fame is due to his marriage to Remy, and if being a 'nice guy' makes him a 'stand-up guy'. Also, we emphasize the importance of refraining from making assumptions, especially when neither Remy nor Papoose have publicly addressed the rumors.

Dive into the dynamics of star-studded relationships, often viewed as flawless from the outside, but potentially riddled with issues behind closed doors. We discuss how this influences our perceptions, referencing high-profile examples like Oprah and her former partner. The conversation then shifts gears to the Super Bowl halftime show, talking about the reasons Taylor Swift and Lizzo turned down the gig, and the ripple effects of Usher being the host.

Lastly, brace yourself as we discuss the shocking arrest in the Tupac Shakur murder case, over two decades after the incident. Why did it take nearly 30 years to apprehend Southside Crip Keefe D? Could there be a connection between Tupac and Biggie's murder? The final section of our conversation revolves around the racial controversy on Reality TV, spurred by Erica Mena's racial slur. We debate the implications of racism, anger, and the power of words. Join us for a gripping and insightful discussion on these pressing topics.

Other topics discussed:
IS THAT RACIST
Joe Biden referring to LL Cool J as LL J Cool and calling him "boy'.
Keke Palmer shows Usher her ass
Jade Cargill signing with WWE
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce
Kim Kardashian dating Odell Beckham Jr.

Referenced Links:
Who is Duane "Keffe D" Davis? What to know about the man indicted in Tupac Shakur's murder - CBS News

Erica Mena apologizes for racial slur after 'Love & Hip Hop' firing (page

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, yo, yo, yo yo.
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the culture
we live in direct.
Is your boy Jeff Ant Tony wasgood fucking backers.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
But I'm right he was lifting shit, yeah, yeah.
And the first swinge happenedwhen I think I was in my sleep
and like I jerked and well,someone sleep my paws.
No, no, I didn't say it, I Fuckthat.
It is in my lower back, I think.

(00:31):
Like I just kind of like itmoved in my sleep and I felt
like a little twinge and it gotbetter.
But now it's in the upper partof my back and it keeps like
like sitting, like a little joltsince shit.
So it's like it's here in there.
But as long as I'm sitting up,I'm fine.
So I got to sit up to do thisshow.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
So he felt the 20 twin twinge.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I felt a twinge and I keep feeling the shit fucking.
Fingers in my hand keep goingnumb like make sure I'm all
right.
But yeah, just a little painoutside I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
All right.
Well, been a couple weeks, Iwas sick as hell.
I was sick as a dog for likethe past week, and then we had
technical issues.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Your laptop fucked up , my laptop fucked up.
Everybody got like good laptop.
Now we should be all right.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh yeah, I got a new laptop.
It's just crispy and fast.
I got a new webcam.
Look at crispy, out here youlook an HD ish 1080p.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
That's some of my screen.
I like nigga that glitter myface and that's the screen.
Okay, I'm one of shit, I'm notbad, I'm sorry, it's all good
man.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well let's get.
Let's get into these topics.
Man, I got a couple of.
Is that racist Shit's to talkabout with you?
Sure, and.
But first let me see what topicdo I want to start off with
today.
I don't care.
As you see, she didn't change.
Do you think Remy cheated onPapus?

(01:51):
Maybe, Because that's been goingaround.
That's been going around forthe last couple weeks now all
over social media they talkingabout on the radio With the
battle rapper Right and it's itall stands for some some shit.
He said on the battle rap rightand she's on the stage and you
know she addressed this.

(02:11):
She was like, yeah, it's allbattle rap, he's just talking
shit about a blind takingoffense to it.
Nobody wants to believe thatanything can go wrong with Remy
and Papus because you knowthey're the prototypical black
love couple right.
That's a terrible exampleThey've been no, but they've
been together forever.
They got kids.
He held her down when she wasin jail.
He she comes out of jail.
He puts his career to the sideto let you know, to let her cook

(02:34):
.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Did he?
Yeah, for the most part.
Come on, come on now.
Like, did you really think likePapus, next man up, like let's
be honest about this.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
No, but he's nice, is he not nice?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
He's nice, but his fame really came more from
marrying her than it is fromanything he's ever done.
But I'm gonna do the alphabetshit.
Great, All right, cool.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
It shows a level of creativity but it doesn't mean,
like you, five fingers of deathright, the pinkiest for this
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
You like you can do it, all right, great.
But was anyone really likechecking for, like oh man, can't
wait for the next Papus album?
No, his career kind of poppedwhen he married her.
Then the shit she went throughand holding her down and so on,
so forth, it was really morethat anything else.
It's not a Dismissal of hisability, he has ability.
But even now, like, are youchecking for Papus as a rapper

(03:23):
or just no, imagine Remy'shusband.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I guess, but you sound like you don't give a fuck
if she cheated on him or not,like, yeah, fuck it, she could
do better than him.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
No, because it's more the sense when people say like,
like, they're like the epitomeof black love, like nah man, you
love how you want to love andyou shouldn't look for any kind
of like In all honesty, any kindof celebrity, any kind of
couple, to be an example of whatyour Things should be.
I heard that a lot like like heheld it down all the time in
prison.
So you mean to tell me thisgrown man who's a rapper, who

(03:57):
has a strong professional careerand his wife's in jail all the
time Didn't do shit?
Now one thing Honestly likeyeah, he's a lawyer for all of
those years.
Can you honestly?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
say that he comes across as a stand-up guy.
Right, it doesn't come acrossas a you know me, as a creep
step.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah and stand up guys and stand up.
Women get cheated on.
They get.
They lose relationships, theylose marriages.
They said it.
We play to like.
They got family, they got kids,they got this, they got.
It makes no difference whensomebody went out, they go and
get out and they wanted to beover.
It's gonna be over.
Now do I think this is over?

(04:37):
No, because there's nothingthat has been Sustainable that
says that those two are, thatRemy and easy are together.
Nothing has said that, nothing.
To come clear, neither one ofthem have said it.
Now, if you're in arelationship, you will probably
say something, or or Pat willsay his marriage is over, or
Remy would say her marriage isover.

(04:57):
No one said shit.
So it's just like for you knowI want to say for the gram, but
more for like Battle rapping,keeping people talking about
things like, yeah, but do youthink it's over?
No, why?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Cuz, like I said before, there's a prototypical
black love couple.
You know people talk about all.
I want a relationship like LikeJ and Beyonce.
And they used to say like willand Jada right, they don't say
that anymore, okay, but thenthat next black couple up is is
Papoose and Remy.
That they're.
You know, they're next on thatlist when people say I want to.

(05:32):
You know, I want myrelationship to be like them.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I want my relationship to be.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Together for 20 years .
You know, a bad word has neverbeen said about either one of
them no scandals, nothing.
Well, cuz she was going awayfor a while, so yeah, but you
ain't here, none.
I mean, this is this, thesocial media era, this is the?
You know you ain't here, youain't see.
You know there was no footageof him walking in and out of a

(05:59):
hotel with another female.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
There was, you know nothing, yeah, but you never see
that it never happens.
That shit always happens likein the end.
In the end you always see like,oh, he's with so-and-so or
she's with so-and-so, butdoesn't really happen like we
think it does.
Because if they, if this is anissue or a real problem,
somebody would say something orsomebody would have known

(06:22):
something.
But I don't think it's that and, like I said, it's this whole
idea of why do people choosepeople whose lives are nothing
like theirs as a reflection ofhow their life or Relationship
goals or values should be.
Like like I don't know manyrappers and I don't know many
married rappers, and Idefinitely don't know many

(06:42):
married rappers who might behaving sex with battle rappers.
I don't know many people who'slike man, you know what, what's
your like?
Want to be like those.
Like like why do we idolize theweirdest of shit?
Like that doesn't make anysense to me.
Like Like cuz even you name it,it was Will and Jay.
Like now we let that one go.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm like these like terrible, their terrible
examples like the terribleexample in hindsight, when you
look, you know, from the outside.
Looking in, though, all you seeis they've been together for 20
, 30 years.
That's all you know.
You know what I mean.
Yeah when you see actor, whenyou see celebrities breaking up
and divorce in every single day,the ones that've been together

(07:20):
for so long are the ones thatare gonna stand out.
As you know, the it couple, thecouple you know.
They never break up, they nevergo through shit.
Oh, no, even though when thecameras are off, they're going
through a hell of a lot of shit.
No, no, we pick and choose.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
We really, really pick and choose.
We talked that will and jay toshit forever.
What Denzel and marriage wife?
For over 40 years Sam beenmarried to his wife over 40
years they did, and in both,well, denzel wife used to be an
actor, sam's wife is an actress,but they're stars and they're
inspired.
No one ever says, oh, I want tolisten, like Denzel and his
wife, or Sam and his wife.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oprah and her man was together for the longest.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Oprah.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, it was, and they tried.
It didn't work Like it.
Just sometimes it works andsometimes it doesn't.
Everyone wants to find likefault, blame or why did it did
not work?
Maybe it just had his time waspast its course and that's it,
not a whole thing of that.
I think what you're saying to mewas clicking in my mind is that
I don't necessarily have aproblem with whatever's going on
in relationship.
I think the issue I take astand so on is the whole idea of

(08:21):
like.
Why do we find or Think ofthese weird ideals of black love
as these things that are, like,naturally flawed, not like like
?
My ideal of black love is myfriend Allen is because his
mother and father have beenmarried for over 40 years and

(08:42):
they go through it and theyargue and they have the little
things, a little squabble, soand so forth, but they're still
there in the end.
I don't idolize it.
I like, I admire, like that's agood thing to have, because I
know this shit seems natural Forpeople that you have zero ideal
.
The only time you ever see themis in front of a camera.
Like that's not reflective.

(09:04):
Any kind of relationship thatanybody wants or anybody is like
.
That doesn't make sense to me.
They're like oh, we want to belike, willing to.
You only see that, see themtogether when they're at a
premiere.
You don't see him going to thestore, you don't see him talking
.
And now when you do, you seelike the fractures in a
relationship, like what you tryto like, get them on a like I
take time to like they like you,just like you kind of burst off
, like I don't, I don't want todo that, things like that.

(09:26):
Now you kind of see the thingsthat kind of go on behind closed
, those that we always see likethe perfect image of things,
that kind of sucks.
So this thing with people whoare in rap like well, wraps a
wild world all towards is Idon't, but for me, do I think
that she is?
No, I don't, but I wish someonedoes a kind of like her to fuck
up and say something so peoplestop talking about it.
I All right, well, let's moveon.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Man Usher has been announced as the Superbowl
performing a performer this year.
Your thoughts on that?
We've talked about how usher'scatalog is extensive and nobody
could probably see him in aversus battle.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Besides, you know, he who shall not be named.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Who we talking about.
Oh yeah, no, we're not talkingabout that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
He's not being.
He's not being usher.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Who?
He who shall not be named.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, incarcerated Rob.
Incarcerated Rob, ain't gonnabe usher, no fucking.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Versus Feel different .
Dog Okay, that's wild to say,but yeah, he can do it, not
because not many people can beathim, but you saw, we digress.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
You saw Kiki Palmer at the usher concert.
Yeah, that's damn, but as naked.
Yeah, but it was a wholesee-through outfit, her whole
ass, cheeks was out and she goeson and she's on the stage for
her with us.
So she turned.
You know, he's less there thanher ass.
And then soon after that I meanobviously she was probably
having marital issues beforethat but soon after that we

(10:59):
start finding out that her manbeefing, and that's back and
forth and and people are like,yeah, I'm usher, you breaking up
relationships out here.
He's like yo, I, mr, take yourman, type shit, you know.
Or take your girl.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Is he?
No, but it wasn't that itwasn't Like I think I might have
been prom before then, sure,but I don't think it was a big
issue.
The truth of the matter is thisthat shit there was like he got
petty because he's like youknow oh wife should be calm
doing whatever Naked.
I'm the very one to call me whyI said I wanted to break out

(11:38):
hanging with usher.
He sings I like naked but butbeing but ass naked don't
necessarily mean mostly withusher, like okay, relax, all
right.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
All right.
What are the chances?
I'm gonna ask you this give mepercentage.
What are the chances that usherhit that that night Is zero
point zero, fuck out, get thefuck out of here.
Zero point zero, get the fuckout of here.
There's a semblance of a chance, bro zero point, zero, zero
percent.
I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go with there waslike a 48 percent chance.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
You know that you'd say there's almost 50 50.
It was zero percent chance.
Because here's the thing likeusher's known her for a while if
he wanted to hit that heprobably did that a long time
ago.
Like they're in the samecircles and like if that would
have happened that would havebeen happened.
Like it would seem a little bittoo convenient to do it now at

(12:28):
this place at this time, withall these people watching and
Him knowing that you fullywhole-ass marriage.
That would have beentroublesome.
You act like usher gives a fuck.
He has to Because his image nowhe can play on it images all
those want to, but that imagegot him to the Super Bowl and
and the fuck that part thatusher wasn't even the first

(12:50):
choice.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
No, it was Taylor Swift and she said no.
Then I should was the thirdchoice because she's busy over
there with Travis Kelsey in them.
Right, she's a which, by the way.
I'm already tired at thatrelationship.
I'm ready, fucking disgustedfrom that relationship.
They see her one time at thegame and everybody goes crazy.
Travis Kelsey Jersey sales gothrough the roof ticket sales
for the fucking Kansas CityChiefs.
Every game is sold out nowbecause they think she's gonna

(13:12):
be at every game and people wantto see her and they want to
breathe the same air.
There's yo.
What is she like?
I already like a MichaelJackson level, wait wait, hold
on, let's rewind a little bit.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
So you think you're sick of that.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'm sick of the whole shit.
Like you know, you don't youturn on the football show and I
want to hear about football.
You're hearing about fuckingTaylor Swift so they to the
point where Fox acts TaylorSwift's people for permission to
play her music duringcommercial, like when they go
through the breaks, like we'llbe right back folks, then an end
, then an end.
They asked them for permissionto play Taylor Swift songs
during Kansas City Chief gameswhen they're coming in and out

(13:46):
of breaks and they said no,there was like no, motherfuckers
, you cannot use my music.
So.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
She meets him.
She shows up at the game.
You're disgusted by it.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'm just disgusted by the coverage.
I'm not this guy.
She could date whoever shewants.
We know she's gonna date andyou know they're gonna be broken
up by before the season's over.
But I'm just disgusted by thewhole coverage, like, all right,
they're dating, cool, let's get.
Let's get on with the game.
They're showing her all overthe place.
After the game, they're showingthem leaving together in a car.
The whole thing is Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I get it, but you literally just said Kiki goes to
usher show.
They've had no kind ofBackground or anything else
before that.
You're already making theassumption that they're fucking.
Don't say this kind of weird,like you're sick of one thing.
When I stick at the other, likeI didn't, I don't care about
either.
I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, cuz like we're in a but one one.
They're both annoying.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
One one was an actual story.
Like I keep.
He's going through his maritalissues and now she's with usher
showing her.
I'm showing him her ass.
The Taylor Swift shit is allabout like they're injecting her
into the football, like youknow.
I mean like she has.
She's there at the game andshe's dating in one of the teams
players and everything is abouther.
Now, well, who says you?
You said she's with usher.
Anybody since you were usher?

(15:01):
I'm not saying she's with usher, I'm saying the footage of her
on stage with usher showing her,showing him her ass.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
The.
Do you feel that women shoulddress a particular inappropriate
man if they're married?
Well, are you?
Are you saying that women justshould Taylor that dresses
either man?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I Don't mind my wife wearing dressing very
provocatively if she's out withme.
Okay, you know I'm saying, ifyou're out and you're not with
me, then we might have to have aconversation.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But okay, but but he like I'm guessing that her
husband disapproved of the likethe outfit.
It's not like he didn't see theshit before she went.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
But that's why I said we got to assume that they
would be.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
They've been beefing maybe right, but I don't want to
assume about somebody'smarriage.
I don't like it sounds weird,whatever problem they got going
on, whatever problem they gotgoing on, like I said, and if he
felt the particular way youknow, you probably should have
told it earlier.
But I don't think that's theissue.
But this is all kind of aroundabout thing.
And going back to usher hostingthe Super Bowl right, yeah,

(16:07):
unpopular, what songs?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
are gonna play unpopular opinion.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I don't know how good it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think it'll be good because, like I say, he has 20
years plus of hits, bro, likethis, songs that I still hum in
my head from like when I was inhigh school, of usher, from,
like one of you know, from hisfirst albums and shit.
But again, it's a Super Bowl.
What do what?
They give you like 15 minutes,or is it less?
Is it 10?
15 20 minutes no no, it's lessthan that because it's supposed
to be the length of a quarter.
But then you gotta they talk alittle bit, they do commercials.

(16:31):
I think you only get like 10minutes, 10 to 12 minutes and
and then I'm sure he's not gonnado none of his slow stuff.
Right?
You figure he's gonna do thestuff that's gonna amp people up
.
He's gonna do oh, my god, he'sgonna do, yeah, yeah, he'll
probably bring out little JohnThen it, then it, you know, say

(16:53):
he's gonna play that.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know he gonna play that but that's the only
one I like.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
What of the dance shit that he does?
What's the football one?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
That did you gotta fall in love again.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, they gotta play that.
They're gonna play that.
They're definitely right there.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
But that's it.
Like all his.
All his shit that people loveabout him is like Singing in
ballads, unless he's bringingAlicia Keys to do my boo some
shit like that.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
So you want him to go up there and be like it's seven
o'clock on the dot.
I'm in my drop top, yeah yeah,yeah, believe me or not.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, could it, could the?
I was having a suggestionbefore the thing about Picking
him there because, like I said,he was their third choice.
Taylor Swift was one, lizzo wastwo.
Then they turn to usher.
They were going to do Lizzo,but we're all the fuck shit
going on her.
They was like nah, we can'thave a good look.
And that would have been worsebecause, I mean, unless you're a

(17:49):
big fan of Lizzo like that,you're not really going to be
knowing her music or her songsto that degree.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Now why?
Why would you?
Why do you think Taylor Swiftturned it down?
Is it because they don't payyou?
You think she's all about hermoney?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Right, they like.
So the thing is that you do afreak because you know you get a
claim in popularity.
Why do they do?
The most popular artists in theworld?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, but it right, right, but that's why it makes
sense.
That's why, cuz I was gonna ask, like yo, you know, if you look
at historically, that'sdefinitely the last few years.
You know, the people that go upthere are people that you know
don't really have they they'rehistoric or they have you know a
long catalog, but they don'thave like recent hits or recent
success.
Well, they haven't donesomething for a long time, right

(18:33):
?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Right, right.
She's successful.
Now she's the biggest artist inthe world.
I don't need to do this now.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Usher was isn't, hasn't put out much.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know you're right for a while and I'm and I'm
making millions of dollars, nothundreds of thousands, millions
of dollars for selling outstadiums like this routine times
a week, right?
So I'm gonna these people arepaying for something else and
I'm gonna perform for them forfree.
Girl, fuck you now.
They're gonna try again nextyear, they're gonna ask again

(19:04):
next year, like I'm the biggestartist in the world and y'all
are not going to pay me.
So I'm basically doing a freeconcert.
I don't do free concerts.
You pay me.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think this is gonna .
I think this is gonna open thedoor for sports teams.
It's gonna be a new trend,because I saw Mark Cuban
tweeting to To Taylor Swiftsaying, hey, why don't you dump
Travis and come date one of theplayers on my team, you know,
alluding to the, to themavericks, I guess and obviously
he was.
He was probably joking.
And then, you know, uh, andthen trap, and then Travis

(19:34):
replied he was like, hey, howabout you sign me to attend a
contract, right?
So this might be a newmarketing thing going forward
where ownership of teams wouldtry to, you know, influence or
encourage players to date,whoever the big pop star is at
the time, because it boosts yourfucking ticket sales, your
merchandise sales go up, alltypes of ad revenue and ratings

(19:58):
go up.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, but it won't work.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Can you imagine seeing the commercials the the
New York Knicks play this?
Don't miss Kim KardashianDating.
You know whoever the fuck,Julius Randall, she's gonna be
front row at the next game.
Get your tickets now.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
No, it doesn't make a difference, because she's
dating Oda Beckham right now,and then no one gives a shit.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Oh, she is yeah.
Kim, exactly, I didn't evenknow that Kim.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Kardashian is exactly .

Speaker 1 (20:22):
It doesn't get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
You got your little phone right there, fucking
Google it.
I did not know this shit rightand they say that that whole
little ID you had just goes tofucking toilet, cuz it doesn't
matter.
You know why?
Cuz she's not the biggestfucking pop star in the world.
She doesn't have means uponmeans of people following every
fucking thing she does.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Wow, she is holy shit , that's, that's what.
That's her second footballplayer, because she was with her
.
She was with Reggie Bush, andthen his career went down to
drain.
Oh, del Beccom is alreadywashed.
He's already going downhill, soit don't matter for him All
right, like I said that, that,that mark on the show playing
shit like that doesn't matter,because she's the biggest pop
star in the world.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It only works with her Because Beyonce is off the
market and I don't know who'sleft, but it only works with her
period.
You can try like when as thewhole thing.
If I'm Taylor Swift, why am Idating the six man on the
Mavericks?
Right like nah, I'm not coolthat.
No, that whole lead, a wholeracial profile doesn't quite fit

(21:19):
her bag.
So I don't think that's gonnafly.
But the whole thing I havingsomebody out there like that,
it's hard to do cross marketing.
Like I said, you just broughtup Kim Kardashian.
She didn't know the Beckham.
I don't see people wearing, youknow Kardashian, baltimore,
jersey.
No one cares, it's just her.
She's Michael Jackson, right,right, you could get Prince, and
Prince is awesome.
You can get other peoplethey're awesome too, but it's

(21:40):
not Michael Jackson, she MichaelJackson.
You want to do anything to be inthat business and that's why
that motherfucker's not doing aSuper Bowl, because I'm not
doing some shit.
Well, you know, it's gonna payme millions to do this.
Like a couple nights a week.
I think I'm gonna come up hereand do all this show shit for
y'all for free, to be ourshowpony and y'all give me
nothing.
I don't need them, oradvertising.
I don't like, like, they like.

(22:00):
Okay.
For example, I know that, yeah,that's today, shit, um, what
the chiefs are playing the Jets?
Hmm, they're gonna be playingat MetLife Stadium in New York,
new Jersey, whatever.
And I know personally thatthere have been people that are

(22:22):
not football fans that aretrying to buy tickets to that
game to see if she's gonna bethere.
Seriously, I'm dead.
I'm not kidding.
They don't do a fuck about thegame.
They want to go there to see ifshe's gonna be sitting there in
the box.
You might might not be doingjack shit.
It's going there to see that.
That explains the power of her.
Now, what I worry about withUsher could we go to kind of

(22:44):
sweep back to this thing IsUsher does have star power.
I don't think he has thatdegree of star power and he's in
a weird, he's in a weird gap.
He's popular to our generation,but not kids younger than us,
right, and it might be popular,like to maybe your aunt,
something like that, but notnecessarily your mother's.
It's like this weird window,like he doesn't fit at all
because he's not that kind ofentertainer.
He's not Bruno Mars.

(23:05):
People love Bruno Mars.
Could I play the drums, thepiano, who do all kind of shit?
Right, he does everything.
He could sing the little, theup temple ballast.
He could sing the fun shit, soand so forth.
What Usher is really like?
Even though you're gonna have ahundred ten million people
watching, it's really gonna belike 35 for this, gonna be in
for the halftime show.

(23:26):
Okay, that's like.
That's like.
It's literally like ademographic.
It's people between the ages ofI don't know 25 and 55, like
that went there right there.
That was with that man throughhis whole career.
They're the ones that's goingto be watching it.
I think he's going to put on agood show.
I don't know what he's going todo, because all of his songs
that are popular are songs thatare like slower and it's not the

(23:48):
method for, and the ones thatare poppy Besides.
You know, uh, what's the joint?
Um, besides, yeah, I don't likethat shit with pitbull, I don't
like this shit, whoever thefuck, I just it's just skipping
my brain right now, but it's notthat.
So I'm trying to figure outwhat he's going to do.
Like it's gonna come out, playthe drums it's some other shit

(24:08):
or play performers, new stuff,maybe, but we trying to come
here to hear it hits.
I'm hoping that he, well, he'sgoing to do those.
But oh, I think he might dosome of the slow stuff, like
maybe like a four-minute medley,like singing this song, a
little bit of that, little bitof that little bit of that
little bit, then lead into it toeverybody satisfied.
I just don't think it's goingto work out too Well.
I think the reason why they'redoing it yet it's an extra great

(24:31):
reason to understand the othertwo people dropped out.
But I mean, he is performinggreat in Las Vegas.
People, you're flying to Vegasto go see him perform.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Oh, he has a residency right.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, and they're having soup bowl this year in
the new stadium, so I get it,but I hope he does well.
I mean, in all honesty, I don'tthink it makes a difference to
me, because I'm going to watchanyway, because it's usher.
So I just want to know Do hisusher shit more?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
than anything else.
I mean, let's move on to someimportant shit, man, because
this ain't a gossip fuckingprogram.
Right, we don't.
We gossip at times, but we'renot a gossip show.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
If this is what you're talking about, it's not a
gossip thing, but I got yougood wait.
Well, I know what you'retalking about Continue, cuz I
know what you said me listenGood.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
My next topic is after 27 years Goddamn, near 30
years Somebody is finallyarrested in the Tupac Shakur
murder fucking case SouthsideCrip Keefe D, and this

(25:39):
motherfucker's been going on foryears, basically, you know,
spilling the beans on shit.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
He's been.
He's been incriminating himselffor years.
I've seen this man on Vlad TVTalk about I don't really want
to talk about this, vlad, butyeah, it was a white Cadillac.
Was you, you know?
Was you the man that shot Vlad?
I don't want to talk about this.
Nah, I was sitting to the left,but it was my nephew who shot
him and he had a Glock 9.
But now I'm not talking aboutthis, no more.

(26:09):
So let's get this clear it wasa white Cadillac Outside of the
Tyson fight in Vegas.
Yeah, like this.
For years he's been doinginterviews.
He wrote a book.
We say some shit.
So you know, I don't know whyit took so long to arrest him
now.
Maybe he thought he was safe,maybe he thought there was some
type of statute of limitation.
I don't really know where allthe you know, I mean the

(26:31):
legalities are, but the thing isthey finally arrested him and I
don't think he did it.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I mean gonna do some time.
He's gonna do.
He's gonna do some time.
He's gonna do hella time.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Anybody.
Anybody can get it died.
I can get in diet.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
No, but he's.
He's gonna do time, though, andthe problem is too, he's the
only person that's still alive.
Of all the suspects they've hadfor the last 30 years, he's the
only person that's still alive.
There's one more who?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
sugar.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Nah, she was already in jail.
He's gonna rot in jail.
Yeah, but first of all he alsogot hit with a straight bullet.
He's not, they know they're notlooking at him as a suspect.
No more right?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh no, but those are the only two people who live,
who know right, Right and shecan go, say none.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
But key Fede is the uncle of the guy that got beat
up on camera.
Remember, they got the videofootage and the lobby or
whatever right, when you see youknow Tupac and sugar death row
and they're beating up the dudebecause the dude try to take two
pox chain or whatever.
So they go back and key Fede isthe guy's uncle and Apparently

(27:37):
you know he was in the car withhim.
It was three, four of them inthe car.
They pulled up, they foundTupac, shot him up on the red
light and drove off.
27 years Nobody seen nothing,nobody knew nothing, nobody was
arrested.
Okay, and they finally arrestedman and you know pocket's gone

(27:58):
and bringing him back.
His mom is gone, so she's noteven gonna, she's not even here
to see any type of justice bemade, you know, for her son.
Like I said, everybody that'sbeen involved, for the most part
, besides sugar is dead, mm-hmm,the dollar.
So it's like all right, isthere?
Do we finally get closure onthis, on this situation?
And we still don't even haveany.
We don't have anything aboutthe biggie murder.

(28:19):
Do we move on to that next,like are they gonna solve this
shit so they finally arrestsomebody in the Tupac murder 27
years later and we still don'thave no, no suspects on the
biggie.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, the two park one is stupid and I think
they're related to each other.
Like this dude been snitchingfor years like it's, this ain't
new.
This, like this, is not aconversation.
He's had it recently.
He's been telling shit since1998 fucking key Fede bro.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I've seen him on Vlad and you know Vlad is the feds
right.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
He's all you know, he key Fede, even talking about
this shit for years.
He's even saying I was in thecar, but I was not the shooter,
right?
That's his stance, right?
I never.
He never say he wasn't there.
He never said that to parkdidn't get shot.
He said I was in the car, I Wasnot the shooter, I was in the
passenger seat, driver side.
They shot from the back, hesaid.

(29:09):
He said baby land and whoeversupposed to do it?
They did it.
Orlando.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Brown, orlando, not Orlando.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Brown, orlando, jordan or whatever fuck.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
His name was Orlando Anderson Anderson.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
They said he did it.
He shot at him and the otherdude.
But they're both dead now.
So he's right and, like I said,I don't know why I took him so
long, when he'd been basicallyself-incriminating himself for
years Like I was, but right whathappened.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
But but but does he get arrested on co-conspirator
charge?
First of all, my secondquestion is was there a statue
limitation?
Can 20 second you get arrested27 years later have to say some
shit?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, because, because the whole thing they want.
They had to have found somewhat they feel was substantial
evidence, like they went to hishouse, they raided his home,
they took his hard drive, theydid, they took a bunch of shit
out of keep his house, so theyfound something that could.
They could at least charge himwith something.
There's no such a limitation orshit like that.
No, no, no, there's no such alimitation, because you never

(30:05):
charge him in the first place.
Right even though they're likeit was never a charge.
There was always a suspicion.
That's like you know who saidthe fucking dude?
It said it was a guy and Ithink it was Long Island wrecked
something and he was married.
We was like killing hookers anddumping them in whatever.

(30:26):
Now, a lot of them justhappened a long time ago I think
a couple happened recently,whatever.
But this is a, this is aconnected one from 20 years ago
to him, which they dideventually with DNA.
They can now charge him withsomething because now this is
the murder that happened, buttherefore we never had any
evidence.
Now can do so, like so you canindict a ham sandwich, but you
need some type of something.
So someone said something.

(30:46):
They raided his house, theyfound some other information and
something ties one to the other.
They ain't gonna be this thewhole thing.
I don't know if that man gonnaserve not a minute of jail time,
because even that's so like allright, this happened.
Where's the gun, mmm?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
That shit is long gone.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, like I said I was there and I said I told you
I was there.
I've been saying this shit foryears.
I've been telling y'all thesetwo motherfuckers shot him.
I've been saying that for years.
They gonna be like where thegun?
You got to ask the dead man,they don't want to shot him.
I ain't got it.
They had it and they gone.
It's like I said there's onlytwo people that know.
He know and he been talking andsugar know and sugar ain't say

(31:25):
shit.
And I hate me.
One thing, that what you gottafind solace in the fact that you
know.
You found an answer to this andlike there was no quote-unquote
just in the sense of someonegoing to jail over this.
But, like I said, it's not,like it's a surprise, or the
fucking been talking for years,not a couple days ago.
He been, he been yapping, theVlad, he be flapping, anybody.

(31:45):
We hear him like yo, I wasthere, I was there, I was there,
was it?
I was it, did you go?
I went, hmm, and I was in thecar.
And the thing is that everytime he saw that story he's
never wavered from it.
It's been consistent.
I was in that car, I was in thepassenger seat.
They shot out the back.
They killed pop.
So why was it taken to thispoint to now arrest them?
I have no idea, but it's one ofweird things.

(32:08):
It's sad, though I know they'regonna try to.
I know the next thing aboutwell, get over to this biggie
thing.
I think that might be a littlebit deeper than what the shit is
.
So I Don't know if you evercatch that killer, but they are
been.
Who knew Pac killer was?
That's a crazy part.
The shit ain't nothing new.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
So do we have finally have closure.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I Think that you had closure the moment that his
mother died, because I was theonly person that needed it.
She was the only person neededit like as people who are fans
of hip-hop and songs, for likethat it's not one of things I
ever really worried myself with,in all honesty, because there's

(32:47):
a level and the idea of likenot snitching so eat like.
The thing is that even ifsomeone knows, they don't say,
even though it can bring solaceif someone's family and bring
them peace or whatever, they'renot no one to do it because they
feel that if this person wasevolved, some free shit, there's
a cold.
You live by one of them thatyou don't talk about Treats,
shit.
That happened, all right, I getit.
I get it.
And the thing is that two-packpasses away.

(33:10):
His mother passes away.
Those are only two people thatshe was the only person that
really really needed that answerto find peace with it.
Once she's gone, there's no oneelse.
That's like they don't owe itto the community.
They don't owe it to hip-hop.
They don't owe it to none ofthe shit like that, not at all.
They don't owe them shit likehe was a recording artist who

(33:31):
touched the lives of people?
Yes, do we need an answer forhis murder?
Probably.
Is it a necessity?
No, it's not.
We think that it is Like wewould have put out so many
different fucking shows anddocumentaries who kill pop, who
killed biggie, so and so forthand no one Kicks.
You know why?
I could have keep making thefucking shows and then they get
an answer.
Until now, you know, even now,the answers unsatisfactory.

(33:51):
The people who did it are dead.
Then what do you do?

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Right, You're not gonna be satisfied, I think.
I think people are, because foryears you know we was we were
listening to the conspiracieslike oh, it was sugar who did?
Oh, it was diddy.
Diddy paid somebody.
It was that, you know.
I mean, oh, two pugs, notreally dead, you know he's in
Cuba somewhere.
So we used to always, you know,joke around with all these no
Conspiracies, you were serious,I know right no, but these,

(34:17):
these are the things that wewould talk about, these are the
things that we Would hear allthe time, all the rumors like,
oh shit, he's really not dead,or oh he, you know it was sugar
or it was there, you know.
So just to Just to hear thatit's just, it's just as simple
as this like they jump this guy,he won a retaliation, got in
his car with his Crip boys orwhatever, and they shot him.
You know, I'm saying it'ssimple, it makes sense, but it's

(34:38):
not satisfying, right like to,you know, to the media and to
the magazines and to the blogs.
You know, until the conspiracytheories is not, is not fun,
it's quote-of-speak.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know I'm saying it seems like it's not fun, but
it's such a simple, absolutetruth, right?
Something happened then.
Something happened to a manthat man wouldn't got some
people.
Those people shot the other manthat did something to him.
So it happens, all right.
It just doesn't sound asentertaining as all the
conspiracies made it seem beforeall of this whole.

(35:11):
He faked his F to go to Cuba.
Oh, sugar has something to dowith it, so and so forth.
I'm not even gonna laugh atanybody to make it seem like
they're just dumb.
I'm not, I don't have thepatience for that.
But it's more in a sense, likewhy do y'all do this to yourself
?
Like this has nothing.
Like like why do you make somuch entertaining shit over
someone's grief?
Like Like the whole thing wasbig, like you know, like it was,

(35:34):
like big was gonna leave badboys.
So you know puff had it.
Like why?
Why do you need to go to theseextremes?
Like and this in this nation,in this culture, in this world,
in this country?
Let's start there.
Vonic things happen all the timeand it's not even to the degree
that we actually think about itas it is.
It's sensationalized.
It happens a lot, a lot morethan people want.

(35:55):
It's reported, a lot more thanwe show in the news.
But you know it ain't likewe're in Israel.
It ain't like we're in likesome war torn country where they
dropping bombs left and right.
Like can't walk through thefucking store Because you never
know.
Like that's gonna be your lastday.
You still walk out of yourhouse with peace.
You still walk to the store.
You walk miles away, totallyfine.
You don't live in a fear ofsomething.
It's almost like we need tocreate it to find like work to

(36:16):
some shit like that.
Yeah, always find the wholetheories about them dying with
some other you know Conspiracytheorists, is some other shit
going on?
Blah, blah, blah.
Like a lot of niggas like topot the nigga that played to
pocket.
The movie looked exactly liketo pop but it wasn't to like
that the fuck.
Like like oh, now, so the dudeisn't a car with a two-pot,
double and in a real to pop wasalready gone to Cuba.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Exactly the thing is, I think, the human mind, when
we people, when we put people inhigh regard, the two-pot, a
biggie Whoever your favoriteathlete is, kobe Bryant, you
know, I mean when these peopledie, and it's like oh my god,
because we worship these peopleright, unrightfully so, but we
worship these people.
We had them in a pedestal,they're almost like gods to us.
And then, when somethinghappens to them, we're like holy

(37:02):
shit, can't be just this simple, like he just died.
No, it must be a conspiracybehind it, it must be this and
that it must be evil forcesbehind it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like no, he's human, we're allfucking human, we're all gonna
die.
It sounds cold as shit, but weshouldn't make a conspiracy of
everything.
I feel like and I'm guilty ofit too, because in my younger
years everything to me was aconspiracy they're like oh nah,

(37:25):
this is a conspiracy.
You know, as you get older, youstart thinking more
level-headed.
You're like nah.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's the exaggeration of the human condition.
That's all it is when it comesto leverage.
It's like if a good friend ofyours passes out of the like,
out of the blue, you're like no,no, no, no, no.
That can't be true.
Yeah your mind is clicked likeno, that's impossible.
I literally just saw X persontwo days ago.
Now I'm never gonna see themagain.
Your mind it just won't compute.

(37:52):
You're trying to it, eventuallyit gets there, but your mind it
can't Cycle at that moment thatall of a sudden, now this
person's gone Eventually it does, because you have the service,
you find out what's going on.
Those things come together andyou create and you find closure.
I think the thing with two pox,that is like that lack of
closure because, like I said, itwas so sudden.

(38:14):
Remember him, him and two pop.
I'm in my early 40s and how doyou now?

Speaker 1 (38:21):
39.
I'll be 40 in November correct.
You outlaw both of them.
Damn, that's crazy.
They both died in the.
They died in the 20s.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
They didn't make it to 30, me, the one of them.
They did not make it to 30.
So Imagine that happens andthat and this happens to you not
you, but the death of thosegentlemen have you at a freely
young age.
That sticks with you becauseyou're a big fan of the music,
you're growing up with them,you're a huge fan of everything

(38:53):
that they do, their performance,their tracks, that everything.
And all of a sudden, out theblue, just like with a regular
person, your mind is can'tcompete, like there's no way
they can be gone.
There has to be some otherreason of why this happened, not
coming down to the, as you said, the very truthful and simple
fact people die.
We're supposed to.
That's the whole point.

(39:13):
We live, our bodies decay, weget older, we die this thing
with two pot.
When I heard the story, peoplelike talking about it and I like
I honestly don't care becauseI've heard the story.
That man been yapping aboutthis shit For more than a decade
now and, like I said, and likeI said in the show, the moment
that his mother Passed away,that was the only person that

(39:36):
needed an answer outside of that.
No one else needed it ordeserved it.
She needed that more.
Anything else like who did thisto my son and moment she didn't
get that, they didn't oh shit,us, anybody else.
Am I glad that this came about?
Maybe cuz I kind of sorted, butI don't know where this shit is
going.
Like you undid it, I'm likewhat is he going to say in the

(39:57):
sand?
It's gonna be shocking orsensational.
You'll be telling the samestory been telling for a decade.
Yeah, I was there.
They shot him, nothing else.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think we pretty much know everything there is to
it.
There's movies of documentaries, is books about it.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
There's nothing more than you can say, like you're
literally beating a dead horse.
What more can you say I doabout this?
And the fact that like hip-hopis in such a fucked up state
like this is still like a majorstory 27 years later.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Like no idea the fuck about all these new kids and
not do anything that's worth you.
Wow, it's just this like westill want to answer to this.
All right, so now you got toanswer this, sorry.
Yeah, that's a question, theygot answer and I don't know the
answer to that.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
All right.
Well, I want to end the showwith an.
Is that racist Segment Iactually have to you?
Let me know if they're ready,which one you want first, man.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I must have choice.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
All right, let's start with good old uncle Joe
Biden.
I he recently called LL J cool,not to be confused with LL cool
J.
Right, he called them LL J cooland then called him boy and
it's been a big, a lot ofbacklash.
You know I'm saying about theuse of the word boy when you're

(41:15):
referring to, you know, a blackman or an African-American.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
And keep going.
But hold that point.
Okay, but keep going.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
No, that is the point , because I was gonna ask you as
as an uncle Joe Biden supporterDo you believe that's racist
when you're referring to a black?
If I call you what up boy?
You know I'm saying, is it theway you say it?
Is it the word itself?
Like that boy, that boy overthere, is a good rapper.

(41:45):
That boy is he's good boy.
You know me like.
Is it the way you say it?
Is it who says it?
Is it how you say it?
Okay so is it racist?
Is the word not racist?
Or is it Joe saying it's LLcool, j not racist, joe saying
it L cool?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
J is not okay, cuz cuz.
Joe didn't say the L cool J, hesaid LJ cool.
So that's why, right, he wasn'tsaying it LL cool J, he said it
LL J cool.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
He wasn't saying it a James Todd Smith right, he was
James Smith, todd.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
He see, now he keep having these fucking senior
moments.
It's not that he's not racist,joe don't know, no, but he's
getting old, and when you getold Because when you're old you
can still be smart, but your,your brain slips a little bit
like little details, like that,you're not gonna catch them,
it's just not gonna happen.
So do I think it's racist?
Fuck.
Now I just think I think he'shaving, like he's been having

(42:45):
Having slip ups honestly for thepast few years, like a bunch of
fucking senior moments, like alot of them.
Trump has seen your moments,right.
The thing that he repeats thesame thing over and over again.
You know he's having a seniormoment.
He just sticks to the same,he's he's.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
That's a strategy when you repeat something,
people eventually take that asfact.
Right and also and all and alsothe right and the left isn't,
as you know, adiment, as theright is, when they're attacking
you, right, like a situationlike this, biden does a little
slip up, they're gonna hold onto that.
So the right wing grabs thatright away.
He's like look, you see, he'san old, racist, senile.
You know, fucking old man,whatever Trump has a slip up and

(43:22):
it's like okay, his followersis like no, it's fact.
And then you know, eventuallythe Democrats, they're just like
I, whatever, cuz, you know,they're soft, like that, right,
but I Agree, I don't think it'sracist, but he needs to get.
He needs to get his shittogether, or at least his people
need to Figure out a plan.
You know I'm saying when hecomes out and does these public

(43:42):
appearances To to look somewhatrepresentative.
You see them.
The other day, when he had thecue cards in his hand, he's like
show them.
And it tells him like all theinstructions, and he flips it
over and there's even more notesin the back Like come on, man.
I know it's customary forpresidents to have like cue
cards and shit like that, butnobody has ever shown them on
camera like that.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know, that's what made it funny.
Like his speech has got to bemore like remedial.
Like this is too much.
Like you don't need to simplifythis shit.
Like you know how they had,like the state of the union.
Then he's to put them up therelike shit is hard.
We're trying, we're gonna dobetter.
Good night.
Don't don't give no details.
Don't give no numbers, nofigures, like yo keep it.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yo just have Russell Simmons come out.
Man for him.
Mr Biden speaker.
Russell Simmons, Thank you forcoming out.
God bless and good night.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, keep it sure, and that would be, and that
would be great if Russell didn'thave some me too shit going.
But you can't do that becauseRussell fucking up and I want to
get back to the boy.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
That's cuz he don't eat.
It's cuz he don't eat no meat.
Russell's on his vegetarianshit.
My fucker can't think clearly.
He ain't getting no protein.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
He ain't getting the proper nutrients, his daughter
had a problem with him doingwild shit, women had problem
with him doing wild shit, and soon so forth.
But I want to get back to thatboy thing real quick.
Yeah, and I hate using the asexample, but it's because she's
a woman and she's a relative andyou know her pretty well, right
?
So let's say one day, like youknow, you're living a lot,

(45:12):
everyone's living a life.
They're trying to you know,extremely tried to get to the
best and Pete version themselves.
Right?
Let's say, like you decided togo out one when I like okay,
we're gonna go to X place.
And let's say your sister'slike okay, I'll be there, I'm
gonna bring my family.
Like, all right, cool, shebrings a friend and her friends
in the friends white.
How do you?
How do you describe him?

(45:34):
Like?
Like, what is the question?
You ask him?
Trust me, I got it.
I'm not certain what the answeris, but what is it that you say
?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
If she brings a white boy, a white dude over.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Ding, ding, ding.
For some reason we alwayscalled them white boy or white
girl and that's just came out to.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I was it even exactly .

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I knew it, I fucking knew it, because we never say
who's this white man or who's no, they all say was white boy.
Who this white girl?
They always say that I knewyou're gonna fucking say it.
They can't help themselves,right they?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
was that is that?
Was that racist of me?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
No, no, it's almost.
It's like when I'm built intriggers in your mind right.
Some reason you can't call themwhite man, you can't call them
white woman.
But for some you always saywhite boy, oh right, girl.
But immediately.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
but saying black boy or black girl, that's not a
thing.
He's a black boy, he's a blackgirl.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
No, no, no, because when it comes to people of color
, there's a descriptor there.
They're always a.
You never say like what is he?
Oh, he's black, or he'sHispanic, he's German, he's this
.
He's that.
Whenever you see someone white,they're always white boy or
they are white girl.
No matter what you do and asmuch you try to fight it, she

(46:47):
government like they have aconversation and like he walks
away.
You don't look at like who'sthe white boy?
You can't help it.
Fact, you can't do it.
So the fact he's saying boy Ithink he was trying to say it to
like to be hip or cool, use boyin the way that you think like,
oh, like, oh, this is my boy.
But depending on literally aslight twitch and tenor of your

(47:10):
voice, boy can sound like boy.
Just that little bit of adifference.
But he said boy, he's right, hesaid it the way we generally
said.
He didn't sound like you knowFucking Colonel Sanders on the
slave plant station saying boy.
He didn't sound that way, buthe said it.
But also we also.
Little defect, they also calledthem oh, jay, cool.
You know this man notnecessarily is right mind right

(47:32):
now.
So is it racist?
No, is it hilarious?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
All right, stick into the topic of is that racist,
this one?
I think this one is a morestronger one.
I think this one is a moreserious one and you let me know
if you're familiar with thesituation.
I'm talking about the EricaMena and spice situation.
You know, erica Mena dated, uh,joe, but you know about this.
You did Joe Biden, whatever.
She dated a bunch of fuckingrappers and she's been on, you

(48:00):
know, loving hip-hop.
Safari so far, she dated so far,she got two kids with him and
ever.
And then you know we have spice, who's also on the show loving
hip-hop and she's, you know, adancehall queen and she does the
reggae and they got into alittle altercation and they were
, they got into a shouting matchand spice said something about
her kids, right, she's like oh,that's why your son doesn't even

(48:21):
love you.
And you know, when you mentionErica Mena has said, when you
mention her kids, she blacks out, right and she gets, she goes
into a dark place and all betsare off and she's gonna insult
you any way she can.
So her former Vin saw wascalling spice a fucking monkey,
shoot specifically a blue monkey.
She was like you, fuckingmonkey, even did the monkey

(48:41):
sounds like, even did that Flipthe table over.
And then she proceeded to say Ihope you know you should have
died.
You know anybody that knowsspice had some surgery.
She went to like the DominicanRepublic and she was trying to
get like a mommy makeover orwhatever the fuck they get and
she almost died fromcomplications of the surgeries.
So during the the fight, ericaMena called her a monkey and

(49:04):
said you should have died.
So now this is a this.
So now this is a rhetoricalquestion.
But is that racist?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, and then of course.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
And then, of course, now.
So she gets fired from the show.
So she's fired from lovinghip-hop.
She gets fired from anotherseries that she was on call hush
.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
That's a racist.
Some layup right there, boy.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So she's fucking up her bag.
So now she's being apologeticafter the fact, right, because
she's being fired from all hergigs.
Now she's like oh, I'm sorry,but I'm gonna use this as a, you
know, as a teachable moment andwhatever.
And then, of course, you know,you're always gonna go the.
The go-to is gonna be you know,I have black children, I have
black friends.
You know, zed, that's the go-to, right and I find it funny.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
She's Hispanic and when writes the white person's
plea book right, yeah, she, youknow.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
She said I'm half Dominican, I'm half Puerto Rican
.
You know, my kids are black.
I date black men.
I date, you know, whatever,whatever, all my friends are
black, etc.
Etc.
I'm not racist, I don't have aracist bone in my body.
She said, but in this momentyou were racist.
And when you have the abilityto say a racist comment like
that, then that opens the doorto you being racist, whether

(50:10):
it's consciously, unconsciously,self-consciously, you know a
little bit.
And even if you're just a 1%racist, you're a fucking racist.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I got one drop of racist blood me.
Yes, racist like.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
She said oh, she said about my kids.
You know, I'm saying I blackout, we all bets are off, okay, so
so you have to immediately go tothe racist comments, right?
You can't say, oh, that's whyyou're fat, oh, that's why
you're ugly, oh, that's whyyou're bald.
You know there's so many otherinsults you can throw at
somebody, but you have toimmediately go to the.
You know, I mean the racist one, the skin color, the one that

(50:46):
they've probably been hearingall their life, the one that
they've been ridiculed about.
You know, the entire life.
You know I'm growing up.
They've been heard that they'redifferent because they're black
or whatever, and that's the onethat you immediately go to,
that's your go-to.
And then you say but I haveblack friends, I have black kids
, I'm not a racist.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
You tell me she went to that shit without hesitation.
Now that's the wild part.
Like she knew exactly what shewas saying and like, yeah, then
your power does for that thewords.
See this, the whole thing aboutcop and please was some shit
that you shouldn't Shouldn'tbeen done, some shit you
shouldn't say, some shit youshouldn't do.
And the thing is that I Can'tnecessarily say this for myself,

(51:24):
but I can.
I feel comfortable saying itthough.
If you know what, let's let merewind it.
Let's just say, at this age, atthis age, if you know, the shit
that triggers you there almostneeds to be like a Failsafe in
your brain.
Like I know, saying shit aboutmy kids angers me without.

(51:47):
But if I know that I need tomake sure that if that does
happen, I find a way not toReact to the situation, to try
to pull myself away fromsituations as fast as possible,
because the fact that she saidit was bad enough, you could let
that slide.
You could have just said youhave blue hair, you kind of look
like a monkey, like I justthink it just means that you're

(52:08):
ugly, great the money.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Gotta leave out the word monkey all together.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
You probably do.
But there's some leeway, likecould you get kind of call
somebody ugly the fact when themost she does the monkey sounds,
it's over.
You meant that shit.
You know exactly what you weresaying.
You knew who you were saying itto.
You knew what you were tryingto equivocate by making those
sounds, the fact that you dothat.
Then afterwards you're like youpull the white person's

(52:35):
playbook, you say I'm sorry, IApologize about my insensitivity
.
I know people of color.
I'm, my children are people ofcolor.
I respect people of color.
I'll never do it again.
I'm gonna try harder.
I don't need to have these kindof things in my life.
I don't support racism andnumber 10, you can name it,

(52:56):
whatever the fuck you are.
There's your playbook and shereads directly from it.
She doesn't say anything aboutyou know her heritage as a
Hispanic person, about thecomments that haven't gone
towards her, that sheunderstands what those words
mean and that she should havenever said it.
She was an idiot to say so.
I know what kind of hurt.

(53:17):
I know what kind of thingshappen from that, because I've
experienced it myself.
It was unnecessary for me to doso.
I know what.
Something that angered me andsomething that triggered me and
I said something at the wrongplace at the wrong time to a
person that, even if I don'tlike them, don't deserve the
kind of level of disrespect forme.
Now, that is some shit I justreally thought of off the top of

(53:37):
my head and that would havewent over a thousand times
better than the shit she said.
Right, really reading from theplaybook doesn't solve racism.
It makes you see more racesbecause racist people say that
shit all the time.
So whatever comes of this isgoing to be what it's going to
be.
But is that racist?
Yes, if she just called her afucking blue monkey because she
has blue hair and I think she'sfucking ugly, so I called her
the monkey.

(53:57):
Yeah, the moment she makes thesounds, you wipe all that shit
off the board because, of course, you're sensitive to shit.
As a Latino or Afro Latina orhowever she describes herself as
, and I'm pretty sure throughher life she has dealt with
things in regards to Sexism,discrimination, racism For years
, so she knows that certainthings that people say hurt.

(54:20):
She said that shit to her tohurt her because of the shit she
said about a child.
She didn't say that a childhated her.
She said the child didn't likeher.
That's true, kids don't liketheir parents at a particular
age.
It's fucking true.
We don't like them, they barelylike us.
Hmm, but it but it.
But she knew that if I said it'sgonna hit a nerve in her and it
comes to the situation sheshouldn't did that, she

(54:42):
shouldn't have said that.
She should kind of just like Isaid that thing about kids
before.
Like I said, there have beenincidents in the past that have
triggered the same reaction, notto this level of racist vitro,
but pissed her off to aparticular point that she didn't
find the time in the world anda grace to kind of Figure out
how do I deal with this when ithappens again, because it keeps

(55:02):
on happening Every time is athing she.
She shouldn't have said it toher.
I think homegirl should justaccept the apologies mood of
fuck home like just Sis, you dowhatever you gotta do.
Just don't cross the streetlooking for me, because I'm not
doing this fit with you, becausethat was wrong.
For her to say it wasn't a timeof the place, it was a nasty
word to say, and Still be it.
I'm sorry, but yeah, that'sjust racist, all right.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So finally, is Erica men are racist.
We know she said some racistshit, but is she racist?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
no, no, no, I think anger can Bring out the most
extreme reactions of people andI think when you're anger and
you're angry, you don't want tounderstand, you want to hurt.
So I'm gonna say the mosthurtful thing I can toward you.
So I don't think she says itall.
I think that she just doesn'tlike her and probably thinks
about like her that all the what, all the time.
Yeah, she probably does thinkshe's ugly, probably doesn't

(55:52):
think that she's a good humanbeing, but it's necessarily like
hate her as a person, like likeracism, kind of reveals that
trait.
I think you caught her in avery vulnerable moment and it
calls her to be extremely angry,and extreme anger brings out
extreme reactions and that wasjust one of them.
And no, I don't think she'sracist.
I think she's had a terriblefucking moment.
The thing that makes it seemmore recent that she kept

(56:13):
pulling it from a playbook thateveryone has read before Doing
that.
I know black people shit.
My friends are black.
Yeah, but that's the whole thing.
I like when people say like myfriends are black, black, well,
do they consider you a friend?
You said to them friends.
But I mean you guys, you guyseat the same cafeteria or Hang

(56:36):
out from time to time, all right, great.
But are your friends like?
You called them your friends?
But will they call you theirfriend?
Tricky, but yeah, but she's notracist.
Just bad time, bad moment, badwords.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
All right, but that's our showman, the coach of
podcast.
This actually might be ourfirst video podcast.
Not sure yet depends how I feel, so you may or may not see it
up on YouTube one day.
Eventually, I see how it comesout.

(57:10):
It might be our first one,though, but yo thank you for
tuning in.
Check out the website, theculture that one.
Go read some of those blogs mebe, reading my shit, man.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I was good.
This is randomly pop pop to mymind.
No, I haven't, but I justhaven't had time to read like
I've been working my ass off.
But um, this has nothing to dowith anything we're talking
about.
What do you think about JayKirk good going to WWE and what
do you think about the Rockshowing back up?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Well, the Rock is gonna boy Hollywood.
Already the strike is overright in Hollywood, so I feel
like we're probably not gonnasee them.
Yeah, so they're gonna startfilming again.
So I don't think we're gonnasee the Rock anytime soon again.
But Jade Cargill, yeah, I think, as a black athlete, I think
she's gonna be good for WWE.
She's a fucking big, strongwoman.

(58:02):
She's, she's a star.
She already has the look.
It's just a matter of her, youknow, I mean getting the
training and the proper trainingto actually Get in a WWE ring
and look the part.
And look in here with who?
We, all of them with Charlotte,becky, bianca they gonna put it
with all them shorties.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, I don't want to .
I don't want them to do theBianca thing, like I don't want
the black-on-black thing seemskind of.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
But they're gonna, but they're gonna I.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Was, I was here, her and Charlotte, or her, and I'm
Rear Ripley.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yes, yes, yes, that works great.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yes, some strong style shit exactly.
If you're watching, you knowthe fuck you talking about.
Grow up.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
They probably did grow.
That's why they don't watch ita boy.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, they age out of it like are y'all didn't say
watch wrestling, like now, Idon't watch wrestling, I'm a big
story coming across.
I want to see how it affectsthe whole.
I like to think about thingsdeeper than that.
And she's a dope wrestler.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, and she's married to a former baseball
player, brandon Phillips.
He played for the fucking reds.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
This is the reds.
I remember him because I usedto play.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
It was nice.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Like 30 home runs, 150 strikeouts, like fuck man
yeah.
Wait did I get kids cuz theygot, yeah, I think they got kids
.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
They probably got kids.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Because of America.
You know all right cool.
Goodbye y'all.
We'll see y'all soon.
Get the fuck on and do it.