November 20, 2023 • 40 mins
The Culture Podcast | Episode 148: Paid in Full
Who's ready to venture into an unfiltered journey through the world of hip-hop? We're pulling the curtain back on some juicy stories that have the industry buzzing. First up, we're tackling P. Diddy's recent legal issues and the whopping eight-figure settlement with his ex-fling, Cassie. Yes, you heard right! Unravel the truth with us as we dissect the shocking accusations against him that include rape and sex trafficking. It's a wild ride that invites a wider conversation about deep-seated rumors surrounding Diddy.
Keeping the momentum rolling, we shift our focus to the enigmatic Andre 3000. We're talking about what his solo project might have sounded like and how his inventive eccentricities might have influenced his music. We're talking about his intriguing song titles and his fondness for playing the flute in LA laundromats.
We also talk about Nas' 'Paid in Full' foundation and its possible connection to the iconic album of the same name.
Finally, we're delving into Snoop Dogg's bold move to quit smoking weed and the potential ramifications for his music and lifestyle. We're sharing personal anecdotes about kicking bad habits and pondering if other famous weed enthusiasts, like Redman, are taking the same path. Plus, we're taking a moment to marvel at the 200-artist DJ K-Slay track that's hitting airwaves and turning heads.
Last, but not least, is Will Smith gay and does it even matter? Don't forget to subscribe, like, share, and follow us for more captivating deep dives into hip-hop culture and beyond! #cassie #diddy #willsmith #nas #andre3000 #dmx #tupac #wutang #snoop
Topics Discussed:
- Cassie sues Diddy for rape, abuse, more
- Andre 3000's new flute album
- NYC declares Nov. 9th Wu-tang Clan day
- DMX vs. Tupac debate
- Snoop Dogg quits smoking?
- Nas starts "Paid in Full" foundation to help icons
- Will Smith and Duane Martin were lovers?
Referenced Links:
Diddy Is Accused of Rape and Abuse by Cassie in New Filing (vulture.com)
Cassie Alleges Diddy Engineered Kid Cudi Car Explosion After He Found Out Th
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
scene.
You're about to get hit withthe double team.
Yo, this is your boy, Jeff, butinstead of my main man, Aunt,
I'm here with Mikey Sheed today.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Dude, I look, I look like a monk in our video.
I'm wearing my robe, I'm likeI've got religious artwork above
me.
I'm just.
I'm coming with my monklifestyle right now.
Monk.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Mikey in the house and you're not even.
Are you like atheist?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, I think you and I are in the same category
probably.
But yeah, I was.
I was like kind of raisedCatholic and dude, I fucking
love Catholic art, like I thinkit's like so gold and Goddy and
stupid.
So I've got all this.
Like I have this room where Ihave an altar or not an altar, a
pulpit, and then I've got likeall this religious art because I
just love, I love to collect it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You got the Virgin Mary in the background.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's like almost a mocking religion.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But anyway, man, let's get right to business.
Man, first of all, I'm going togive a shout out to our culture
crew members.
It occurred to me that I meanwe only made a couple of actual
videos, like maybe three YouTubevideos, haven't given any shout
outs to them.
So I mean I'm going to put thegraphics up on the screen for
them.
You know what I mean.
Give a shout out because theyalso sponsor the show.
Basically, yeah.
Mikey, she is a culture crewmember.
(01:12):
That's right To you, brother.
Salute, self salute.
We got D black hell wig, ownerof destiny careers, out in
Florida.
No we have.
I got to keep up with thesenames because they keep changing
the name.
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I think that's what he's goingby now.
King Kaiser the third.
All right, yeah, owner and CEOof Eric's cleaning services out
(01:34):
in Florida.
Tight, oh, we got Tosh, which Idon't think we ever gave her a
nickname, it's just Tosh.
We have we have Mel, aka MellyMel, and we have anonymous.
We have a person that decidedto just be called anonymous.
Love anonymous.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Anonymous donor you can.
You can trust somebody whogives money but doesn't want the
fame.
You know, leave my name out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You appreciate that.
So, yeah, I do.
Anyway, I wanted, I wanted thefame because I'm shallow.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So, yeah, I wanted to be shouted out.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The only white boy on the set.
So you got.
You got to rep.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I got to stay here, for I got to stand up for all of
us, all the all the whitefellas.
I'm here to rep.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Anyway, I have time to put nothing on.
I'm just in my tank topdisplaying the tattoos and the
chain.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Looks good.
Yo, let's get into these topics, man.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I have a pot purry of topics that I want to breeze
through.
We could do maybe five minuteseach.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh, you just said pot purry.
I was like what the fuck's potpurry?
You mean pot purry?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Pope purry, pope purry.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Pot purry.
Dude, that's the only way I'mever going to say it now.
Pop purry.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yo, it is pot purry, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Pot purry yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Pot purry.
All right, I guess I'm going tostart with the biggest story of
the week and we're going toprobably spend more than five
minutes on this one, and that'sokay.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I'm talking about P Diddy Puff, daddy Sean P
Diddy Cone, papa Diddy Pop beingsued by his ex fling girl Right
, I don't know what you want tocall her Cassie, yeah, so she
sued him for 30.
What was it?
$30 million, I think so.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I didn't really follow it too much, but for
alleged rape, sex traffickingand other.
Mm, hmm, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Before this recording they actually just settled.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, I saw that Out of court though.
Right, it was a quiet thing Outof court, right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And one can only assume that it was for a very,
very large sum.
Sure, and I have reason tobelieve that it was apparently
settled for eight figures.
Yep, okay, that's a lot offucking money.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's a lot of money.
I mean, you know he has a lotof money and it also sounds like
, I don't know, you don't comewith a case like that if there's
nothing there.
I mean it feels like those arebig charges.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Allegations are crazy .
And we've been hearing shitabout Diddy, right, yeah, for 30
years we've been hearing abouthim his involvement in Biggie's
death, his involvement inTupac's death.
He put it out on Shug Knight.
You know what I'm saying.
How he rapes his artists.
You know financially at leastyou know Mace and the Locke, the
beef they've had.
Yeah, Shine, his shooting inthe club and he made Shine take
(04:14):
the fall for it For sure.
We've been hearing thesestories, right, yeah, we hear
about his gay sex parties andall it is, and people you know,
real quiet, they don't reallywant to talk about the shit.
They say that the devil workshard, but Diddy's lawyers work
harder.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I mean this.
It all kind of feeds into mynarrative about billionaires and
like that you can't have amoral billionaire.
Like there's no way to make theamount of money that Diddy has,
or more than that.
Like as a as a truly goodperson, I think you have to fuck
people over left and right, youhave to be.
I mean, the the level of drivethat he has is unhealthy and I
(04:52):
don't doubt that.
I mean for sure he fucked overhis artists.
Obviously If they were gettinga fair cut he wouldn't have the
amount of money that he has now.
And you know, and not Diddy's,you know, you hear about his
relationships with women andlike he has an upsetting track
record with the way that hetreats the women that he is
married to and dates and allthose things.
And it's I don't know man, it'sI always tend, you know, I
(05:15):
believe women in thesesituations and it's like I don't
think that she's just cominginto the situation for money,
like I think there was serious Imean there's serious
allegations and you know I don'tthink most lawyers would take a
case like this if there wasn'tsubstance to it.
So he, you know, I don't, Idon't know Diddy, he's another
one of those people that it'slike Kanye, where people call
him a genius, all thesedifferent things.
Yeah, he's a great, he's donesome amazing things in music and
(05:38):
stuff, but I don't put him onany sort of pedestal and I don't
.
You know, all the stories thatI hear about him, like these are
pretty consistent and they'reprobably true.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But now?
But now the rumors are reallygoing to come out and we talk
about the death of his ex Right.
So now there's going to be allkinds of speculation like, hmm,
you know what I mean?
Yeah, you have anything to dowith this shit.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Right, I mean it's hard for me to like when they
started to speculate about.
You know him like arranging thehit on Tupac.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I don't know man.
I mean there's lips and bloodsthat have spoken up about you,
sure.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Sure, sure, and he doesn't feel like he's got that
level of like, but maybe he does, I don't know.
It seemed to me like they wereall making money in that
situation.
The beef helped them.
You know, sell records.
It seems weird to me that hewould have done that.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And you know he went around giving everybody their
masters and shit after all theseyears and he would go on the
radio and they would ask him areyou doing this?
And you know, basically he'ssaying I just want to make
things right with everybody.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, he would always leave itat that.
He would never, you know, hewould never admit to doing
anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, that fell to me like it was like admitting,
like he'd fucked up.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Not only that, I'm feeling for me for a long time
he was like trying to clean hisconscience right, Like he's
trying to throw over a new leafand he knows he's done a lot of
fucked up shit.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I wish Ann was here because I would like to hear his
take.
But yeah, for sure.
Is this when you settle out ofcourt and I know it's not always
the case because I've heardMichael Jackson and Eminem and
they've talked about this yousettle out of court a lot of
times because you don't want togo through the rigorous you know
court shit and have to deal youknow years in the court and
spending all court fees andlawyer fees.
Yeah, but does this make himlook guilt?
(07:11):
Is this an admission of guiltwhen you settle out of court for
a large sum of money?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I mean socially, I would say yeah for sure.
Whether or not it, whether ornot it is, I don't know, I mean
it's, you know it's.
Also.
It's one of these things whereit's like for a lot of these
guys, depending on the amount ofmoney that you're talking about
, like, let's just say we'retalking wait, eight figures, is
that 10 million?
So 10 million and above, I mean10 million.
To Diddy, he's worth over abillion dollars.
It's worth it for him to justjust sweep it under the rug, but
(07:40):
I don't think that it.
It doesn't make you look notguilty, but you would have.
If he had done a protractedlegal battle, he could have
spent more than 10 milliondollars easily on lawyer's fees
and stuff.
I mean, you don't come out ofthese things clean and more.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
And it just occurred to me, like a lot of the big
name people that have alwaysbeen in his life are all dead
Executive producers, people thatput him in the game, obviously
you know what I mean.
Yeah, the women in his life,yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, I mean, it's wonder like.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Is this the epitome of like selling your soul to the
devil?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, who knows.
I mean it's one of the thingsis like if you, if you're like
50 plus in the music industry,most people around you are
probably dead Like it's a hard.
It's a hard industry to be inand stay alive, like let alone
drugs and all the differentthings.
And you know, he ran in a realfast paced crowd, I mean Biggie.
Obviously that was like aunique situation, but I mean
(08:33):
just a lot of people die in andaround music and especially in
and around hip hop.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah.
So all right.
I mean, do you think this makeshis tarnishes his image?
Is he going to lay low for awhile?
Is he going to do any moremusic?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't know, I mean he's he's such an ego maniac
dude I think he has to be fedLike if you do.
You follow him on social media.
No, not really, oh my God, he'sthe thirstiest motherfucker ever
, like all of his oh yeah, Imean it's like he's in his crazy
house and all of his videos.
He's like it's like he's a 15year old kid like trying to just
like.
Oh, he just wants so muchattention.
(09:07):
I don't know man.
It's like I wouldn't putanything past him.
It's like when people say stuffabout him, like yeah, that's
probably true, he's.
He's kind of a monster.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I don't.
I normally don't judge peoplewhen they settle out of court
for something Right, but in thiscase this might be the one
exception because of how fast ithappened, right.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It was real quick, it was like a week.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No, it came out that she's suing him and days later
he was like yo, we're just gonnasell.
We're gonna sell immediately,because that tells me that
there's shit that he that thatyou know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
he was worried that may come out in court, that he
wants you know no parts of Wellthis is the because the settling
out of court part isn'tnecessarily an admission of
guilt, but I think the biggerpart of it that usually comes
with the settling out of courtis a gag order.
Like she's not a lot, she hassigned crazy shit that she's not
allowed to talk about any of it, and so the fact that he jumped
on it so quickly makes me feellike, oh yeah, I mean there's
(09:57):
probably some real dark shit andhe wanted to cover it up.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
The one thing she did talk about and it might just
even be the tip of the icebergwas one time they I guess she
dated Kit Cudi.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, oh, and he tried to burn his car or
whatever he did.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I tried, or blew it up.
His car blew the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's him Like that's a mafia shit.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You know what I'm saying, but that's what I'm
telling you he has the money toto pull shit off like this.
But dude, it's so fuckingstupid.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's also dramatic.
It's like, hey, bro, like Idon't know, if you're really
trying to like take out yourenemies like that, like do it
like a real billy, do it like areal king and like just poison
them or something, then we'll,then we'll catch you blowing up
his car.
Fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But ultimately, when do we cancel Diddy the way we
have our Kelly or at least Ihave because I refuse.
I mentioned, yeah, but I refuseto talk about that man on our
show.
Yeah, when does it get to thepoint where we just stop talking
about Diddy, because you knowwhat I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean the dramatic stuff where it's like, oh you
know, maybe he had you know,two-pot kill, all the different
kind of mafia, sort of things.
That's only going to fuel hiscareer.
I feel like it can make peoplemore interested in things.
When it comes to like rapeallegations and things like that
, I mean, I don't know, dude,it's Diddy's done making his
best work, so like might as welljust cancel him now because
like he's not really putting outany good shit, that new album
(11:10):
of his new R&B album or whateverPretty trash.
Like there was like four goodsongs and like they weren't even
that good.
So I don't know.
I think it's like just be donewith him.
There's better people down theroad.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
All right, well, let's move on.
Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Diddy, fuck you, diddy.
You're old news Sean.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Speaking of new albums, yeah, tell me, you heard
this new Andre 3000.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I didn't, until this morning.
You told me, you told me tolisten to it and I Couldn't do
it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Oh, boy, I Shit is utter trash.
I mean I'm not only because I'mnot a fan of the flu, like I
like the saxophone.
If it would have been thesaxophone, I while you would
have listened a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's an awesome.
That's an awesome clarification.
If it had been another windinstrument I would have been
fucking pumped about it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And it's called the new blue Sun.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, I think so with the shit.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
That I thought was funny was the name of some of
the songs.
Yeah the very first song iscalled I swear, I really want to
make a rap album.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It is.
It does feel like he's draggingall of us like I don't know.
I, I appreciate, dude, I have alot of different thoughts about
it, right?
Obviously, andre 3000 he's inmy top 10, if not top five,
lyricists of all time.
I want to hear an Andre 3000album and I you know what I?
Ultimately I want to hear histhe hip hop album that he wants
to make right like speaker box.
Love below was like not, youknow, it's supposed to be each
(12:40):
of their things or whatever, butI didn't feel like it was his
truly independent project.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's crazy, I don't want to hear flute.
You just mentioned him as oneof the best of all time.
He's probably most people'slike top 10s, top 15s, top.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, minimum.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yep, he's never had a single album, yeah yeah, no,
that's true.
He's never people talk about.
Oh you know, big pun only hadone before he died, lauren, he
only has one.
This guy has none.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, but I mean his verses on his own albums, on his
own songs, were unbelievableand other people songs too for
sure.
I mean his verse.
His verse simp on a quennaiI've talked about it on the show
before is Like one of the best.
The final verse of a quennai isone of the best verses of all
time.
Just like he's.
He's just such an interestinglyricist like in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You know, when you listen to the Donda album, he's
the only reason to listen to.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's like the only part of the album that I find
Like touching.
I know Kanye made the albumtrying to make it really
heartfelt and like whatever, andI'm not Kanye, I just I can't,
I don't believe him as far as Icould fucking kick him, but the
Andre, like his verse on it isso awesome and so touch it, like
so what it's like what thealbum is supposed to be.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
(13:56):
I mean it's like I appreciatethat he's like trying to do new
things and have you watched anyof the interviews with him?
Like where he's like at hislaundromat.
He goes to the laundromat inhis neighborhood, like which
must be.
I don't know what neighborhoodhe's in an LA, but like he has a
nice house.
Let's be real.
He definitely has his ownwasher and dryer and he goes
there just like talk to peopleand play the flute in front of
them.
I think that's fucking awesomeand he's always been eccentric.
(14:18):
But a flute album I mean he'sgonna be the butt of a lot of
jokes for a while though.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Another song is titled that night in Hawaii,
when I turned into a panther andStarted Making I'm trying to
read this shit and startedmaking these loud.
What the fuck is this that?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
one night Night in.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Hawaii.
When I turned into a pantherand started making these low
registering purring tones that Icouldn't Control, she was wild.
That's the entire title, shitwas great at the end.
I love it.
That's the name of the song.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Do you know?
Do you know the guy?
Do you know Sufton Stevens?
Do you know who they're?
Sufjan Stevens, do you know whothat is?
No, I do not he's like asinger-songwriter guy from maybe
Sweden, somewhere like that,but he's known for how, like his
album titles and song titlesare, like you know, a whole
paragraph long.
So I feel like, yeah, andre'sjust been like eating mushrooms,
(15:16):
doing a bunch ofhallucinogenics.
And then he's like let's makethis fucking flute album and
make it nuts.
I'm into it, I don't know beweird.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, let's keep it rolling.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You know how I feel about now, as he's number one of
my yeah Tom rappers list.
Sure as he should be.
He has launched thequote-unquote paid in full
foundation To provide financialand healthcare support to
pioneers of hip-hop.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Hmm, dude, yeah, sorry, you go.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
No, my only question was why did he name it after a
Rockefeller movie?
Is that him like?
Is that a shot?
Is he still taking shots at Jay, or is that like a moral of a
praise or paying homage?
So something you know that wasa big cultural influence.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, but don't you think it's just that it's a
classic hip-hop, it's an iconic.
It was an album title, songtitle.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah yeah, but I mean to me that when I think of paid
in full, I think of that movie.
Will you know?
Uh Is Mackay Pfeifferinitiative Mackay Pfeiffer.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, see, that's the thing you don't think of Eric
Eric being Rick him first.
Don't see the reason I thoughtabout it, yeah but now that you
mentioned it, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah paying homage to them.
It's like the high so firsthigh-selling album, right, and?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
and so I mean I was thinking about it recently
because Rockins been on a bunchof stuff and I've just people
have been calling him out ormaking fun of him for having
like for wearing the Same gearon different shows.
So he'll like wear the same hator wearing the same whatever
and it's like right out of theearly 90s, bro, and.
I was thinking about him, dude,and I'm like, yeah, how much
money does rock him have?
Like, how much money is heactually making from like Airbnb
(16:59):
for president or whatever?
Like he can't make that muchmoney.
Yeah, he's not a fuckingbillionaire and he hasn't like
diversified it.
Like rappers nowadays are likeme, jay, like we've talked about
this Jay-Z and Nas are likegiving fucking Investment advice
on most of their show, on mostof their songs.
Now, like dudes weren't doingthat back in the day.
Like no, big daddy Kane likeyou know, how much money does
big daddy Kane have?
(17:20):
And you know, like they saidlike this is, I don't know.
It makes sense to me.
It's interesting that it allcame.
I've been thinking a lot aboutthat.
Like the dudes who are thefoundational hip-hop guys, like
you know, they're working at acar wash.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, you made a good point, bro.
That's that's.
That's bad.
That's bad on my part.
I fucked up.
That's a no, no, no it'sdefinitely paid in full, that
he's paying on his.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, and it's like I came before him.
You know, man, yeah, and paidin full, it's like you're full
circle.
Yeah, it has definitely makesit.
Yeah, yeah, I mean cool.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Jay was recently asked about him making more
songs and making more albums andhe said you know, it has to
make sense to him.
It has to be something that'sGiving something to the, to the
universe, to the world.
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah yeah.
I'm making the same bullshitthat he was making anymore.
Like you said, they're on thesong and they're trying to give
financial advice to people.
Yeah, yeah on the song sayingignorant shit, talking about how
(18:10):
he was selling drugs andBrooklyn, because he did all
that.
He did that for Sure yearstotally money.
They're on another wavelengthnow.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, and it is.
It's at some point there iskind of also like the age thing
comes into it and it's like whensnoops making fucking party
songs and he's 54 or whatever heis, it's kind of like I don't
know, bro, like just be real,like you're, you're starting to
drink some metamucil, you'regoing to bed at 8 30 am or 8 30
pm.
Like you know, you're not likepartying like you were before.
So it's like I just I like thefact that they're that, they're
I Don't want to say acting theirage, but it is like you know,
(18:40):
it's, it's, it's cool, yeah,it's cool to be making music
about stuff that you're actuallygoing through.
So and Jay-Z, like you know, wetalked about the whole.
You know five have a half amillion bucks or have lunch with
Jay-Z or whatever, and he waslike don't be a fucking dumbass,
like Take the money, buy me.
You can buy my albums for 40bucks, or whatever.
I don't any like wisdom I wantto impart to you is going to be
(19:00):
on the albums.
So you know, I just Iappreciate that the sentiment
about things.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Did you mention Snoop Dogg?
Yeah, did you hear aboutsomething?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Like stopping smoking weed.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm gonna read his direct quote.
Okay, he said, after muchconsideration and conversation
with my family, mm-hmm and Ican't even read this in my mind
with in his voice, right, right,I can't even do, I can't even
picture him saying this aftermuch consideration and
conversation with my family,I've decided to give up smoke.
(19:33):
Please respect my privacy atthis time.
Hey, like if somebody died orsome shit, right?
First of all, like you said,they're trying to you know Act,
their age and Snoop Dogg yeah,probably close to 60 now
probably.
I, I Don't believe that shit forone second.
I Mean he has his own marijuanaline man.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Sure, I mean, and there was, you know, I mean the
amount, like I can't rememberwhat the guy's name was, but
there was the guy that he was.
That was his blunt roller.
I would roll joints for him andhe said he was doing like 75 a
day for snoop.
I dare like that's just.
I mean I at this point in mylife I take one puff of weed and
I'm like I'm dead.
So the fact that he was, I meanhe has to like at some point,
(20:17):
bring it back a little bit likeOne thing is like he's probably
gonna get emphysema.
I mean you studies have?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
shown that a lot of we smoke, you know, does shit,
you know I mean hmm, but again,70 blunts is 70 blunt, that's
over.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Jesus Christ, it's just too much.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't expect him to quit.
I expect them to minimize hissmoking.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I mean, I have, I have a good friend who's like
the drunkest dude that I'veknown in my life and I saw him
recently and he's like I stoppeddrinking and I was like cool,
and as he's telling me that hehas a beer in his hands, and I
was like, well, you're drinkingbeer.
And he's like gay, I mean Istart drinking hard alcohol,
like.
And he had 12 beers that nightor whatever but like I stopped
for him you know I'm drinkingless frequently- yeah, for him
(20:58):
that was not drinking and so forSnoop, I think if he smoked
three or four blunt today I'd belike that would basically be
the equivalent of stoppingsmoking.
Maybe he meant stop smoke andso he's only doing edibles now.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He just, probably his body just at this point needs
weed.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, you're probably going with droll and shit.
This is certain artists thatyou don't.
I can never fathom themQuitting marijuana or yeah well
he's one of them.
Red man met the man, or others.
You know me, yeah, and I mean,do you know gimmick?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
for sure, and, like a lot of times, the art suffers.
I mean, look what happened withEminem Eminem.
Eminem cleaned up and he, hismusic, went to shit.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So that's a snoop.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's not really making that much music anymore.
But and red man, all he's doinglately is skydiving.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
He's just skydiving all the time he's like no, I'm
scared, he tried to acting thingand then as soon as they wanted
him to get the vaccine, he quit.
So, oh yeah, see him on the bigscreen.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Good for him, oh.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And actually Snoop was in a song recently because I
was gonna ask you if you heardit and I'm talking about the new
DJ K-Slay rolling 200 deep Hmmsong that recently came out.
I don't know it.
You know how case they alwayshad these little 10 minute, 20
minute, 15 minute, 30 minute, 40minute songs, right?
Yeah, like possible cuts and allthings 20, it started off with
like 20 people, then 50, then ahundred, now they're up to 200
(22:27):
and I sat there and I watchedthis fucking shit on YouTube and
it's over an hour long andthere's literally 200 artists
and each artist does eight barsand I counted it.
I counted it almost every guyto make sure that nobody went
over or under.
It was literally eight bars.
They were only allowed and alot of them said it in the bar,
like Slay only wanted me to doeight bars, whatever.
(22:47):
And it was eight bars each guyfor 200 guys.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Awesome.
Are they all in studio in thevideos that the no, no, no, they
all recorded their shitseparate.
It looks like okay, so it'slike cameo videos.
I mean that's the only way todo it, otherwise the guy song
would have cost two milliondollars.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Sure, it took a long time to edit, because you can
tell some guys were probablyoffbeat or some guys.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I tell that some guys were recording the Video and
the vocals weren't you know?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
lining with the show.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm not a lot of mouth, so you can't see that
it's not but, but it was wellmade, though, like it must have
taken a long time to edit.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean this is.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I was just I'm listening to that the Open Mike
Eagles show.
What it happened was and he'sgot quest love on this season,
some quest.
I was talking about the rootsalbums and he's just one of the
things.
Main things he's talking aboutis just mastering things and
just like doing, like justmaking sure all the levels are
right on stuff and how long ittakes per song that case lay
(23:47):
song sending in like cell phonefootage.
I can't even imagine how longthat took to master.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And then the beat switches up and I mean I'm most
part of the same beef for our,but you know it has different
cadences to it and differentyeah to it in different parts.
So people have to jump in.
You have to make it sound right.
Oh man, that shit probably tookmonths to put together.
And I mentioned, you mentionedsnoop, so he was on it.
He has a yeah has a littleverse on there.
I can't remember everybody thatwas on.
(24:14):
It was 200 people.
A lot of them were likeunderground.
A lot Of more of guys I neverheard of.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Just guys from the case lays convenience store and
some of them he's in.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
some of you know some of the parts of the videos,
case lays with them.
You know, I mean on right shit.
One of the people that stoodout to me was big daddy Kane.
Yeah, because, because he'shonored and he had one to me and
my obviously, my opinion, I'mold school head he had one of
the best verses on the shit.
Yeah, you know, I'm saying youget guys you know from the, from
the 80s and shit that come onand it doesn't really translate
well, yeah, I mean they're stillyeah, can we touch ago?
(24:44):
Yeah, yeah but Kane, he's stillspitting.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, and they had older guys on there.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They had, I'm trying to think, melly Mel.
You know, melly Mel, what's?
The dude has always on steroids.
Melly Mel, he was on there, youknow his verses or whatever you
know.
I mean, yeah, and they had someother dudes that were real old
and you, like, you could tellit's dated, it's dated.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah for sure.
Yeah, yeah, they haven'tchanged up their style.
But I came but Kane alwayswrapped, like I mean, he was
always like a rappers rapper.
You know it's like you listento it, like the way and him and
rock him and like certain peoplelike they had that flow.
You know Will Smith talks aboutit a lot with the summertime
verse, like whether or notRackim wrote that, because it
was just like it's ahead of itstime and they could still you
still listen to rock him, rapnow and he wraps with the beat
(25:25):
in a way that's very modern.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I think rock him was on it.
Like I said, it was 200 people.
I would have to go back andwatch 200 people, it's like I
don't want to sit throughanother hour of that shit.
I mean I didn't sit for an hourstraight like I would watch 10
15 minutes I was right.
I would do something.
Come back, sure, and I did that, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I mean 200 people makes me nervous that it's gonna
be like you were talking aboutKodak Black last week or
whatever.
It's like, yeah, I would benervous like oh god, how many
fucking fillers of these mumblerap assholes are gonna be on
here like I can't listen toKodak Black.
Even do eight bars, I'll killmyself.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I can't, I can't, but it wasn't mumble.
It wasn't mumble.
Paul Wall was on there, Iremember.
Yeah, you know who.
I saw on there and this is oneof the guys old school dudes
that to me, has gotten betterwith a yeah, and I'm talking
about Peter Guns.
Really, he did a verse on there.
The problem with Peter Guns isthat he doesn't put out music,
(26:14):
right.
Right, every once in a whileHe'll just be on featured on one
of the K Slade things.
You know.
He'll have a little verse hereand, yeah, he'll do a little
video with his son, corey andthey'll spray back and forth and
I'm like yo, his shit is dope,His shit is nice, but he's just
been living off for that one-hitwonder for the last 30 years,
right, yeah you know, but I'mlike I'm listening to him, I'm
like, damn, peter Panky stillhas it bro.
(26:36):
I yeah, go check that shit out.
Alright, video bro.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, our, if your board always.
Yeah, reserve my afternoon forit you.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Speaking of the culture, new York City declared
November 9th Wu Tang Day andwe're celebrating.
What are we celebrating now?
The 30th anniversary of the 36chambers?
Yeah to the 36 chambers.
Yeah, which makes me feel old.
I mean, I just turned 40.
I just celebrated my 40thbirthday in Jamaica.
Shout outs to me happy birthdayback, and it makes me feel old.
(27:16):
I'm like shit.
It's been 30 years.
Because I had this album as achild.
Yes, you were tan, I was tanand I had.
Then I remember my dad broke it.
Yeah, my dad walked in my roomand I had oh, I had entered the
36 chambers, yep, and I also hadthe DMX is dark and hell is hot
CD.
Right, and you know he wasn'thaving that shit because he
(27:38):
ain't want me listening to, youknow, violence and shit that had
curse in it.
And I wouldn't even consider WuTang to be violent as much as
they would have profanity.
The DMX Definitely had a lot ofviolence.
Oh yeah, I would argue thatthat album was horror core.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, he was trying, yeah, he was trying to do that
kind of yeah, I gravedigger issort of like it's maybe it's a
Tannock man, you know.
Yeah, right, you're dead.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm awake, I'm gonna kill you, you know.
So.
My dad took both of those CDsand broke them in half.
I remember that shit in frontof you?
Yeah, he broke them in half andthat's awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
That's there's been traumatizing.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But now I can just go on my phone and listen to the
albums anytime I want.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, try to break this dad.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but like damn, 36 chambers and I'm sitting
there and I'm listening to thisshit and I'm writing down the
lyrics is what I used to do.
I used to put the shit on mylittle headphones and I would
write the little.
I had no idea what anythingmeant, that the fucking Wu Tang
was saying you know, yeah, youcan listen to it now, 30 years
later, and I'm like, oh, thisshit makes more sense to me now
right, Wu Tang is not reallyknown for making tons of sense.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
No, especially go to be yeah yeah, ghost phase.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Don't even know what the fuck.
No he admit that shit in onetime.
They, a lot of the sheen, evenknow what the fuck what he was
saying.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh yeah, I mean when girls face also is one of those
people who like he, like he wasmore.
It was more about finding therhyme than it was me kind of
making a story or whatever Idon't know what.
It's still one of my favorites,though.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It just sounded raw, it just sounded dope and
flawless.
The beats for sure, yeah,whether you know what the fuck
they were saying they would.
I was listening to the radiothe day Ebro and num and Peter
Rosenberg, 1997 and they weretalking about that and they were
taking call.
They were taking callers andand people were calling in from
all over the world Telling themwhat this album meant to them.
36 chambers, yeah, and therewas people calling in from like
(29:17):
other countries, like Latincountries, that they didn't even
speak English during the time.
Oh yeah, and they were on theradio talking to these guys with
their broken English.
He was like, yeah, I had thisalbum when I was growing up.
I didn't even know English andI was listening to it and it was
my favorite album ever.
And they're like, how, what thefuck?
How you know, even know whatthey were.
They were like, yeah, we didn'tknow what they were saying, but
the beats were dope, they'rejust sounded good you know.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But, dude, this is like where you know like so many
artists will talk about goingto, like Japan and Whole crowd
doesn't speak, like basicallydoesn't speak English, but they
know every single fucking wordand can you know?
There's something about it likethat that transcends, like
whether or not you know how toyou know Speak the language or
not, and that was definitelylike a formative album that got
(29:57):
an A&R push in Europe and inAsia.
That, like that was like thekind of the first time or the
first part of history you knowthe history of hip-hop when,
like a and r was, they werepushing, pushing, pushing for
Eastern block countries,european countries in Asia,
because they wanted to starttouring the artists and making
more money out of them.
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I would argue that Wu Tang clan is the biggest
Underground entity of all time.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You, should you call them underground?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Because they've been, but they were blackball,
remember we were really there,were.
They didn't have a lot of songson the radio.
Like right now that's the mainstream one, right?
Yeah, but they were blackballedby like hot 97.
Yeah, and now, at the time thatwas the only hip-hop station in
New York.
Yeah, so unless they were on amusic video, you know, I mean we
weren't really hearing them onthe radio, and yet they still
(30:47):
made it to a certain level.
They still for sure in Superstardom without having maximum
exposure Right right.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, I mean it's.
I would wonder, I would love tosee like a chart of, like you
know, mount spent on a group,versus how much they, how much
revenue they brought in and WuTang probably has you know one
of the kind of the highestprofit margins, because they
were just.
I mean I Would, because Iremember, like Wu Tang, I was
like a big Wu Tang fan, like andthen, but more of a fan of the
(31:13):
individual albums and, yeah,dude, I mean I guess I could go
with calling them underground.
They're at that kind of likethreshold point where they
weren't pop, you know theyweren't they, but they, I
wouldn't call them backpackrapper Anything, but like they
are the most pop of backpackrapper, I'd say Wu.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Tang Klang ain't not a fuck with nah Moving along.
I don't know how much you'veseen this argument online.
This is the DMX versus Tupacdebate.
Hmm, somebody decided to,that's.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Paul rapper.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Not necessarily, but what they're saying is that I
mean, although they do have alot of similarities, hmm,
obviously, like the appearance,yeah, and like the, I think the,
the there's a lot ofsimilarities in the rap, because
I call them passion rappers,because they weren't like the
best lyrically.
Yeah, okay, felt what theywould say and you feel yeah sure
like caucus was not a betterrapper than Biggie right, he
(32:05):
made you feel some shit.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, I mean he was poetic in a sense.
I mean he, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And so it just took off online and went viral,
because people are saying likewait a minute, why are we
comparing Pac and Biggie?
And then people were commentinglike well, not pocket biggie
Pac in and DMX.
Yeah and they're saying well,the argument is much closer than
people may think.
Hmm and.
I have not heard this argument.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I don't know.
I mean I have to think about it.
I mean they both have there alot of their songs are
storytelling, like a lot of itis about kind of a character.
I mean Biggie was just so muchof a.
I don't know.
I think the Biggie Tupac, youknow, contest for me is like
it's just different, it's toodifferent.
There's like very differentrappers and they're not like
it's not East Coast, west Coast.
One of them was like it's justlike Biggie was.
(32:48):
You know, biggie was Biggie.
He was, like you know,influenced by Puff and aren't,
aren't being more hard nextthough.
DMX.
I don't know.
I always think of DMX kind ofwas in his own category.
I don't think of DMX as like alyricist, for sure I mean it's,
but it is like kind of from thestorytelling perspective, I can
see where he could be comparedto Tupac and I don't know.
I have to think about it.
I got you on it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
The only difference is that, you know, obviously Poc
had a million albums, whereasyou know, x had that first album
, which was classic.
Sure, second album was reallygood, third album was okay, but
then after that he fell off.
Right, but that first album tome is my favorite hip hop album
of all time and I would and Iwould put that up against any
Tupac album.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, I mean Tupac's albums weren't the standouts.
I mean I don't think that, likehe had singles that were
standouts for sure, right, yeah,a lot of good songs.
Albums they always kept feltkind of discombobulated or
whatever Like.
But Darkest Hells, it's Darkand Hell's Hot, you're saying.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
The second one was Flesh of my Flesh, blood, of my
Blood, which is really good,yeah, I mean no, but it's Dark
and Hell's Hot was like it feltlike a concept album, Like it
was thorough, Like it felt likeit was like doing a half, like a
story to tell front to back.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, like a movie.
Every, every song went into thenext one and it felt like they
all connected together.
That's your favorite of alltime.
Have you said that before?
We've talked about that on here.
We did a whole episode aboutour top albums of all time that
is my number one favorite album.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I forgot that was your number one.
All right, yeah, I mean, I'mwith that.
I got it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I support it.
Lauren Hill, miss Education isin my top five, but DMX is Dark
and Hell is Hot is my favoritealbum of all time.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
All right, I'm going to listen to it today.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And I, you know, I'm here for the comparisons of him
and Tupac.
They look alike, they're bothbaldheaded.
They both, you know they preachthat thug life mentality, sure.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
But all right, the last topic that I wanted to show
with and I said I've beensaying for the last few weeks
that I don't want to talk aboutthis man anymore, but he just
keeps popping up.
His wife keeps popping up.
He keeps popping up.
You know, I'm ready to talkabout William, william, william.
Willard Willard, willard,willard, willard because a
(34:50):
former employee and, quoteunquote, best friend, brother
Bilal, decided to start speakingout about how Will Smith is gay
and how he had a romanticrelationship with Dwayne Martin.
Like, first of all, whetherthis is true or not, I feel like
this is just a disgruntledemployee, right Ex-employee?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm an ex-employee andnow he wants to start talking
(35:11):
shit.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Of course.
I believe an ex-employee like Ibelieve a fucking tabloid rag
or whatever.
It's like no, you're justpissed off and you want to burn
someone down.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
They asked Jada about it, jada said that we're going
to sue Yep, you said her andwe're going to sue this fucking
guy.
So I mean there's been rumorsthat Will is gay and gay parties
and whatever right.
There's been rumors about thatshit.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I mean he played gay characters on TV and he played
them very well, I think thatevery it would do everybody a
whole lot of good to a like he'sbisexual.
If he's bisexual, you know he'snot gay, I mean, and if he's
gay he's gay, whatever.
But I think he's had romanticrelationships with women so he's
at, you know, bisexual.
And also I think it would doeverybody a whole lot of good to
just kind of like look atsexuality as more of a spectrum
(35:51):
and just be like, yeah, somepeople are like fully more in
this direction, fully more inthat direction, but everybody
has kind of attractions to alldifferent people.
It would just make it a wholelot easier if people weren't so
polarized about the whole gaystraight by thing.
You know it just everybody'slike and it's still like who the
fuck cares?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I mean he's an actor, he's a progressive take on your
part.
Hell yeah, I mean PortlandOregon represent.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Just calm the fuck down.
Who cares what holes they stickanything into, it's theirs,
it's their biz, you fuckingliberal, you know baby.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
But yeah, I mean, if he's gay, he's, that's fine.
I think they should just leavethis man alone, right?
Like just let's just leave himalone for like a year, let him
bounce back.
We know he's probably bisexual.
We know he's been in an openmarriage for the longest time.
Sure, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It is what it is and it's like you know, in Hollywood
it's like I don't know.
It's just.
The one thing I think that allthis proves is that, like
through all of this and likelistening to Will's new podcast
and everything like he's just Ithink he's just like a, really
like a pretty nice guy.
I also think he's prettyaffected by Hollywood.
He's kind of ridiculous, likemight refer to himself in the
(36:57):
third person.
I don't know man, I just don'tfind it all that interesting.
I think Jada is like she'sfeeling her star start to fade
and maybe her star was neverreally that bright, and so she's
just like yep, yep, yep, butit's, I don't know man, just
just let him do his thing.
He's kind of a wiener, likehe's been a cuckold in his
relationship.
Just give the guy a little bitof fucking space.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Just leave my man alone, man, like that Michael
Jackson song.
Leave me alone, exactly, yeah,but that's gonna be our episode.
Man, we covered like six topicstoday.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
We nailed it, bang bang, f***ing, crushed it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
We definitely missed Ant man.
He couldn't be here with ustoday.
He's doing, you know, hissocial work.
Yeah, he's doing God's work outhere.
Sure is, he's a God among men.
I'll say this, though thisepisode would have definitely
been like two hours with him onit.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No doubt he would have some things to say.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He likes to argue, he likes to complain that I don't
let him talk.
But I think it's the totalopposite I think he talks he
definitely talks.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I've got my.
I said I've got my pulpit rightover here.
He could, he can, get on thepulpit and preach when
everyone's still.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yo, this was episode 148.
We're almost there, man Woo.
We're almost at anothermilestone.
That's a lot on YouTube now.
We're everywhere, man.
Go subscribe like share followall that good shit, la cultura,
peace, peace.
scene.
You're about to get hit withthe double team.
Yo, this is your boy, Jeff, butinstead of my main man, Aunt,
I'm here with Mikey Sheed today.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Dude, I look, I look like a monk in our video.
I'm wearing my robe, I'm likeI've got religious artwork above
me.
I'm just.
I'm coming with my monklifestyle right now.
Monk.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Mikey in the house and you're not even.
Are you like atheist?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, I think you and I are in the same category
probably.
But yeah, I was.
I was like kind of raisedCatholic and dude, I fucking
love Catholic art, like I thinkit's like so gold and Goddy and
stupid.
So I've got all this.
Like I have this room where Ihave an altar or not an altar, a
pulpit, and then I've got likeall this religious art because I
just love, I love to collect it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You got the Virgin Mary in the background.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's like almost a mocking religion.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But anyway, man, let's get right to business.
Man, first of all, I'm going togive a shout out to our culture
crew members.
It occurred to me that I meanwe only made a couple of actual
videos, like maybe three YouTubevideos, haven't given any shout
outs to them.
So I mean I'm going to put thegraphics up on the screen for
them.
You know what I mean.
Give a shout out because theyalso sponsor the show.
Basically, yeah.
Mikey, she is a culture crewmember.
(01:12):
That's right To you, brother.
Salute, self salute.
We got D black hell wig, ownerof destiny careers, out in
Florida.
No we have.
I got to keep up with thesenames because they keep changing
the name.
Oh, king Kaiser the third.
I think that's what he's goingby now.
King Kaiser the third.
All right, yeah, owner and CEOof Eric's cleaning services out
(01:34):
in Florida.
Tight, oh, we got Tosh, which Idon't think we ever gave her a
nickname, it's just Tosh.
We have we have Mel, aka MellyMel, and we have anonymous.
We have a person that decidedto just be called anonymous.
Love anonymous.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Anonymous donor you can.
You can trust somebody whogives money but doesn't want the
fame.
You know, leave my name out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You appreciate that.
So, yeah, I do.
Anyway, I wanted, I wanted thefame because I'm shallow.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So, yeah, I wanted to be shouted out.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The only white boy on the set.
So you got.
You got to rep.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I got to stay here, for I got to stand up for all of
us, all the all the whitefellas.
I'm here to rep.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Anyway, I have time to put nothing on.
I'm just in my tank topdisplaying the tattoos and the
chain.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Looks good.
Yo, let's get into these topics, man.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I have a pot purry of topics that I want to breeze
through.
We could do maybe five minuteseach.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh, you just said pot purry.
I was like what the fuck's potpurry?
You mean pot purry?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Pope purry, pope purry.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Pot purry.
Dude, that's the only way I'mever going to say it now.
Pop purry.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yo, it is pot purry, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Pot purry yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Pot purry.
All right, I guess I'm going tostart with the biggest story of
the week and we're going toprobably spend more than five
minutes on this one, and that'sokay.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I'm talking about P Diddy Puff, daddy Sean P
Diddy Cone, papa Diddy Pop beingsued by his ex fling girl Right
, I don't know what you want tocall her Cassie, yeah, so she
sued him for 30.
What was it?
$30 million, I think so.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I didn't really follow it too much, but for
alleged rape, sex traffickingand other.
Mm, hmm, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Before this recording they actually just settled.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, I saw that Out of court though.
Right, it was a quiet thing Outof court, right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And one can only assume that it was for a very,
very large sum.
Sure, and I have reason tobelieve that it was apparently
settled for eight figures.
Yep, okay, that's a lot offucking money.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's a lot of money.
I mean, you know he has a lotof money and it also sounds like
, I don't know, you don't comewith a case like that if there's
nothing there.
I mean it feels like those arebig charges.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Allegations are crazy .
And we've been hearing shitabout Diddy, right, yeah, for 30
years we've been hearing abouthim his involvement in Biggie's
death, his involvement inTupac's death.
He put it out on Shug Knight.
You know what I'm saying.
How he rapes his artists.
You know financially at leastyou know Mace and the Locke, the
beef they've had.
Yeah, Shine, his shooting inthe club and he made Shine take
(04:14):
the fall for it For sure.
We've been hearing thesestories, right, yeah, we hear
about his gay sex parties andall it is, and people you know,
real quiet, they don't reallywant to talk about the shit.
They say that the devil workshard, but Diddy's lawyers work
harder.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I mean this.
It all kind of feeds into mynarrative about billionaires and
like that you can't have amoral billionaire.
Like there's no way to make theamount of money that Diddy has,
or more than that.
Like as a as a truly goodperson, I think you have to fuck
people over left and right, youhave to be.
I mean, the the level of drivethat he has is unhealthy and I
(04:52):
don't doubt that.
I mean for sure he fucked overhis artists.
Obviously If they were gettinga fair cut he wouldn't have the
amount of money that he has now.
And you know, and not Diddy's,you know, you hear about his
relationships with women andlike he has an upsetting track
record with the way that hetreats the women that he is
married to and dates and allthose things.
And it's I don't know man, it'sI always tend, you know, I
(05:15):
believe women in thesesituations and it's like I don't
think that she's just cominginto the situation for money,
like I think there was serious Imean there's serious
allegations and you know I don'tthink most lawyers would take a
case like this if there wasn'tsubstance to it.
So he, you know, I don't, Idon't know Diddy, he's another
one of those people that it'slike Kanye, where people call
him a genius, all thesedifferent things.
Yeah, he's a great, he's donesome amazing things in music and
(05:38):
stuff, but I don't put him onany sort of pedestal and I don't
.
You know, all the stories thatI hear about him, like these are
pretty consistent and they'reprobably true.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But now?
But now the rumors are reallygoing to come out and we talk
about the death of his ex Right.
So now there's going to be allkinds of speculation like, hmm,
you know what I mean?
Yeah, you have anything to dowith this shit.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Right, I mean it's hard for me to like when they
started to speculate about.
You know him like arranging thehit on Tupac.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I don't know man.
I mean there's lips and bloodsthat have spoken up about you,
sure.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Sure, sure, and he doesn't feel like he's got that
level of like, but maybe he does, I don't know.
It seemed to me like they wereall making money in that
situation.
The beef helped them.
You know, sell records.
It seems weird to me that hewould have done that.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And you know he went around giving everybody their
masters and shit after all theseyears and he would go on the
radio and they would ask him areyou doing this?
And you know, basically he'ssaying I just want to make
things right with everybody.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, he would always leave itat that.
He would never, you know, hewould never admit to doing
anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, that fell to me like it was like admitting,
like he'd fucked up.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Not only that, I'm feeling for me for a long time
he was like trying to clean hisconscience right, Like he's
trying to throw over a new leafand he knows he's done a lot of
fucked up shit.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I wish Ann was here because I would like to hear his
take.
But yeah, for sure.
Is this when you settle out ofcourt and I know it's not always
the case because I've heardMichael Jackson and Eminem and
they've talked about this yousettle out of court a lot of
times because you don't want togo through the rigorous you know
court shit and have to deal youknow years in the court and
spending all court fees andlawyer fees.
Yeah, but does this make himlook guilt?
(07:11):
Is this an admission of guiltwhen you settle out of court for
a large sum of money?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I mean socially, I would say yeah for sure.
Whether or not it, whether ornot it is, I don't know, I mean
it's, you know it's.
Also.
It's one of these things whereit's like for a lot of these
guys, depending on the amount ofmoney that you're talking about
, like, let's just say we'retalking wait, eight figures, is
that 10 million?
So 10 million and above, I mean10 million.
To Diddy, he's worth over abillion dollars.
It's worth it for him to justjust sweep it under the rug, but
(07:40):
I don't think that it.
It doesn't make you look notguilty, but you would have.
If he had done a protractedlegal battle, he could have
spent more than 10 milliondollars easily on lawyer's fees
and stuff.
I mean, you don't come out ofthese things clean and more.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
And it just occurred to me, like a lot of the big
name people that have alwaysbeen in his life are all dead
Executive producers, people thatput him in the game, obviously
you know what I mean.
Yeah, the women in his life,yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, I mean, it's wonder like.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Is this the epitome of like selling your soul to the
devil?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, who knows.
I mean it's one of the thingsis like if you, if you're like
50 plus in the music industry,most people around you are
probably dead Like it's a hard.
It's a hard industry to be inand stay alive, like let alone
drugs and all the differentthings.
And you know, he ran in a realfast paced crowd, I mean Biggie.
Obviously that was like aunique situation, but I mean
(08:33):
just a lot of people die in andaround music and especially in
and around hip hop.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah.
So all right.
I mean, do you think this makeshis tarnishes his image?
Is he going to lay low for awhile?
Is he going to do any moremusic?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't know, I mean he's he's such an ego maniac
dude I think he has to be fedLike if you do.
You follow him on social media.
No, not really, oh my God, he'sthe thirstiest motherfucker ever
, like all of his oh yeah, Imean it's like he's in his crazy
house and all of his videos.
He's like it's like he's a 15year old kid like trying to just
like.
Oh, he just wants so muchattention.
(09:07):
I don't know man.
It's like I wouldn't putanything past him.
It's like when people say stuffabout him, like yeah, that's
probably true, he's.
He's kind of a monster.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I don't.
I normally don't judge peoplewhen they settle out of court
for something Right, but in thiscase this might be the one
exception because of how fast ithappened, right.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It was real quick, it was like a week.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No, it came out that she's suing him and days later
he was like yo, we're just gonnasell.
We're gonna sell immediately,because that tells me that
there's shit that he that thatyou know.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
he was worried that may come out in court, that he
wants you know no parts of Wellthis is the because the settling
out of court part isn'tnecessarily an admission of
guilt, but I think the biggerpart of it that usually comes
with the settling out of courtis a gag order.
Like she's not a lot, she hassigned crazy shit that she's not
allowed to talk about any of it, and so the fact that he jumped
on it so quickly makes me feellike, oh yeah, I mean there's
(09:57):
probably some real dark shit andhe wanted to cover it up.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
The one thing she did talk about and it might just
even be the tip of the icebergwas one time they I guess she
dated Kit Cudi.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, oh, and he tried to burn his car or
whatever he did.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I tried, or blew it up.
His car blew the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's him Like that's a mafia shit.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You know what I'm saying, but that's what I'm
telling you he has the money toto pull shit off like this.
But dude, it's so fuckingstupid.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's also dramatic.
It's like, hey, bro, like Idon't know, if you're really
trying to like take out yourenemies like that, like do it
like a real billy, do it like areal king and like just poison
them or something, then we'll,then we'll catch you blowing up
his car.
Fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But ultimately, when do we cancel Diddy the way we
have our Kelly or at least Ihave because I refuse.
I mentioned, yeah, but I refuseto talk about that man on our
show.
Yeah, when does it get to thepoint where we just stop talking
about Diddy, because you knowwhat I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean the dramatic stuff where it's like, oh you
know, maybe he had you know,two-pot kill, all the different
kind of mafia, sort of things.
That's only going to fuel hiscareer.
I feel like it can make peoplemore interested in things.
When it comes to like rapeallegations and things like that
, I mean, I don't know, dude,it's Diddy's done making his
best work, so like might as welljust cancel him now because
like he's not really putting outany good shit, that new album
(11:10):
of his new R&B album or whateverPretty trash.
Like there was like four goodsongs and like they weren't even
that good.
So I don't know.
I think it's like just be donewith him.
There's better people down theroad.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
All right, well, let's move on.
Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Diddy, fuck you, diddy.
You're old news Sean.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Speaking of new albums, yeah, tell me, you heard
this new Andre 3000.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I didn't, until this morning.
You told me, you told me tolisten to it and I Couldn't do
it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Oh, boy, I Shit is utter trash.
I mean I'm not only because I'mnot a fan of the flu, like I
like the saxophone.
If it would have been thesaxophone, I while you would
have listened a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's an awesome.
That's an awesome clarification.
If it had been another windinstrument I would have been
fucking pumped about it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And it's called the new blue Sun.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, I think so with the shit.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
That I thought was funny was the name of some of
the songs.
Yeah the very first song iscalled I swear, I really want to
make a rap album.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It is.
It does feel like he's draggingall of us like I don't know.
I, I appreciate, dude, I have alot of different thoughts about
it, right?
Obviously, andre 3000 he's inmy top 10, if not top five,
lyricists of all time.
I want to hear an Andre 3000album and I you know what I?
Ultimately I want to hear histhe hip hop album that he wants
to make right like speaker box.
Love below was like not, youknow, it's supposed to be each
(12:40):
of their things or whatever, butI didn't feel like it was his
truly independent project.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's crazy, I don't want to hear flute.
You just mentioned him as oneof the best of all time.
He's probably most people'slike top 10s, top 15s, top.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, minimum.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yep, he's never had a single album, yeah yeah, no,
that's true.
He's never people talk about.
Oh you know, big pun only hadone before he died, lauren, he
only has one.
This guy has none.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, but I mean his verses on his own albums, on his
own songs, were unbelievableand other people songs too for
sure.
I mean his verse.
His verse simp on a quennaiI've talked about it on the show
before is Like one of the best.
The final verse of a quennai isone of the best verses of all
time.
Just like he's.
He's just such an interestinglyricist like in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You know, when you listen to the Donda album, he's
the only reason to listen to.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's like the only part of the album that I find
Like touching.
I know Kanye made the albumtrying to make it really
heartfelt and like whatever, andI'm not Kanye, I just I can't,
I don't believe him as far as Icould fucking kick him, but the
Andre, like his verse on it isso awesome and so touch it, like
so what it's like what thealbum is supposed to be.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
(13:56):
I mean it's like I appreciatethat he's like trying to do new
things and have you watched anyof the interviews with him?
Like where he's like at hislaundromat.
He goes to the laundromat inhis neighborhood, like which
must be.
I don't know what neighborhoodhe's in an LA, but like he has a
nice house.
Let's be real.
He definitely has his ownwasher and dryer and he goes
there just like talk to peopleand play the flute in front of
them.
I think that's fucking awesomeand he's always been eccentric.
(14:18):
But a flute album I mean he'sgonna be the butt of a lot of
jokes for a while though.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Another song is titled that night in Hawaii,
when I turned into a panther andStarted Making I'm trying to
read this shit and startedmaking these loud.
What the fuck is this that?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
one night Night in.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Hawaii.
When I turned into a pantherand started making these low
registering purring tones that Icouldn't Control, she was wild.
That's the entire title, shitwas great at the end.
I love it.
That's the name of the song.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Do you know?
Do you know the guy?
Do you know Sufton Stevens?
Do you know who they're?
Sufjan Stevens, do you know whothat is?
No, I do not he's like asinger-songwriter guy from maybe
Sweden, somewhere like that,but he's known for how, like his
album titles and song titlesare, like you know, a whole
paragraph long.
So I feel like, yeah, andre'sjust been like eating mushrooms,
(15:16):
doing a bunch ofhallucinogenics.
And then he's like let's makethis fucking flute album and
make it nuts.
I'm into it, I don't know beweird.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, let's keep it rolling.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You know how I feel about now, as he's number one of
my yeah Tom rappers list.
Sure as he should be.
He has launched thequote-unquote paid in full
foundation To provide financialand healthcare support to
pioneers of hip-hop.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Hmm, dude, yeah, sorry, you go.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
No, my only question was why did he name it after a
Rockefeller movie?
Is that him like?
Is that a shot?
Is he still taking shots at Jay, or is that like a moral of a
praise or paying homage?
So something you know that wasa big cultural influence.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, but don't you think it's just that it's a
classic hip-hop, it's an iconic.
It was an album title, songtitle.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah yeah, but I mean to me that when I think of paid
in full, I think of that movie.
Will you know?
Uh Is Mackay Pfeifferinitiative Mackay Pfeiffer.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, see, that's the thing you don't think of Eric
Eric being Rick him first.
Don't see the reason I thoughtabout it, yeah but now that you
mentioned it, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah paying homage to them.
It's like the high so firsthigh-selling album, right, and?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
and so I mean I was thinking about it recently
because Rockins been on a bunchof stuff and I've just people
have been calling him out ormaking fun of him for having
like for wearing the Same gearon different shows.
So he'll like wear the same hator wearing the same whatever
and it's like right out of theearly 90s, bro, and.
I was thinking about him, dude,and I'm like, yeah, how much
money does rock him have?
Like, how much money is heactually making from like Airbnb
(16:59):
for president or whatever?
Like he can't make that muchmoney.
Yeah, he's not a fuckingbillionaire and he hasn't like
diversified it.
Like rappers nowadays are likeme, jay, like we've talked about
this Jay-Z and Nas are likegiving fucking Investment advice
on most of their show, on mostof their songs.
Now, like dudes weren't doingthat back in the day.
Like no, big daddy Kane likeyou know, how much money does
big daddy Kane have?
(17:20):
And you know, like they saidlike this is, I don't know.
It makes sense to me.
It's interesting that it allcame.
I've been thinking a lot aboutthat.
Like the dudes who are thefoundational hip-hop guys, like
you know, they're working at acar wash.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, you made a good point, bro.
That's that's.
That's bad.
That's bad on my part.
I fucked up.
That's a no, no, no it'sdefinitely paid in full, that
he's paying on his.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, and it's like I came before him.
You know, man, yeah, and paidin full, it's like you're full
circle.
Yeah, it has definitely makesit.
Yeah, yeah, I mean cool.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Jay was recently asked about him making more
songs and making more albums andhe said you know, it has to
make sense to him.
It has to be something that'sGiving something to the, to the
universe, to the world.
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah yeah.
I'm making the same bullshitthat he was making anymore.
Like you said, they're on thesong and they're trying to give
financial advice to people.
Yeah, yeah on the song sayingignorant shit, talking about how
(18:10):
he was selling drugs andBrooklyn, because he did all
that.
He did that for Sure yearstotally money.
They're on another wavelengthnow.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, and it is.
It's at some point there iskind of also like the age thing
comes into it and it's like whensnoops making fucking party
songs and he's 54 or whatever heis, it's kind of like I don't
know, bro, like just be real,like you're, you're starting to
drink some metamucil, you'regoing to bed at 8 30 am or 8 30
pm.
Like you know, you're not likepartying like you were before.
So it's like I just I like thefact that they're that, they're
I Don't want to say acting theirage, but it is like you know,
(18:40):
it's, it's, it's cool, yeah,it's cool to be making music
about stuff that you're actuallygoing through.
So and Jay-Z, like you know, wetalked about the whole.
You know five have a half amillion bucks or have lunch with
Jay-Z or whatever, and he waslike don't be a fucking dumbass,
like Take the money, buy me.
You can buy my albums for 40bucks, or whatever.
I don't any like wisdom I wantto impart to you is going to be
(19:00):
on the albums.
So you know, I just Iappreciate that the sentiment
about things.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Did you mention Snoop Dogg?
Yeah, did you hear aboutsomething?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Like stopping smoking weed.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm gonna read his direct quote.
Okay, he said, after muchconsideration and conversation
with my family, mm-hmm and Ican't even read this in my mind
with in his voice, right, right,I can't even do, I can't even
picture him saying this aftermuch consideration and
conversation with my family,I've decided to give up smoke.
(19:33):
Please respect my privacy atthis time.
Hey, like if somebody died orsome shit, right?
First of all, like you said,they're trying to you know Act,
their age and Snoop Dogg yeah,probably close to 60 now
probably.
I, I Don't believe that shit forone second.
I Mean he has his own marijuanaline man.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Sure, I mean, and there was, you know, I mean the
amount, like I can't rememberwhat the guy's name was, but
there was the guy that he was.
That was his blunt roller.
I would roll joints for him andhe said he was doing like 75 a
day for snoop.
I dare like that's just.
I mean I at this point in mylife I take one puff of weed and
I'm like I'm dead.
So the fact that he was, I meanhe has to like at some point,
(20:17):
bring it back a little bit likeOne thing is like he's probably
gonna get emphysema.
I mean you studies have?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
shown that a lot of we smoke, you know, does shit,
you know I mean hmm, but again,70 blunts is 70 blunt, that's
over.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Jesus Christ, it's just too much.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't expect him to quit.
I expect them to minimize hissmoking.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I mean, I have, I have a good friend who's like
the drunkest dude that I'veknown in my life and I saw him
recently and he's like I stoppeddrinking and I was like cool,
and as he's telling me that hehas a beer in his hands, and I
was like, well, you're drinkingbeer.
And he's like gay, I mean Istart drinking hard alcohol,
like.
And he had 12 beers that nightor whatever but like I stopped
for him you know I'm drinkingless frequently- yeah, for him
(20:58):
that was not drinking and so forSnoop, I think if he smoked
three or four blunt today I'd belike that would basically be
the equivalent of stoppingsmoking.
Maybe he meant stop smoke andso he's only doing edibles now.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He just, probably his body just at this point needs
weed.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, you're probably going with droll and shit.
This is certain artists thatyou don't.
I can never fathom themQuitting marijuana or yeah well
he's one of them.
Red man met the man, or others.
You know me, yeah, and I mean,do you know gimmick?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
for sure, and, like a lot of times, the art suffers.
I mean, look what happened withEminem Eminem.
Eminem cleaned up and he, hismusic, went to shit.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So that's a snoop.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's not really making that much music anymore.
But and red man, all he's doinglately is skydiving.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
He's just skydiving all the time he's like no, I'm
scared, he tried to acting thingand then as soon as they wanted
him to get the vaccine, he quit.
So, oh yeah, see him on the bigscreen.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Good for him, oh.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And actually Snoop was in a song recently because I
was gonna ask you if you heardit and I'm talking about the new
DJ K-Slay rolling 200 deep Hmmsong that recently came out.
I don't know it.
You know how case they alwayshad these little 10 minute, 20
minute, 15 minute, 30 minute, 40minute songs, right?
Yeah, like possible cuts and allthings 20, it started off with
like 20 people, then 50, then ahundred, now they're up to 200
(22:27):
and I sat there and I watchedthis fucking shit on YouTube and
it's over an hour long andthere's literally 200 artists
and each artist does eight barsand I counted it.
I counted it almost every guyto make sure that nobody went
over or under.
It was literally eight bars.
They were only allowed and alot of them said it in the bar,
like Slay only wanted me to doeight bars, whatever.
(22:47):
And it was eight bars each guyfor 200 guys.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Awesome.
Are they all in studio in thevideos that the no, no, no, they
all recorded their shitseparate.
It looks like okay, so it'slike cameo videos.
I mean that's the only way todo it, otherwise the guy song
would have cost two milliondollars.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Sure, it took a long time to edit, because you can
tell some guys were probablyoffbeat or some guys.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I tell that some guys were recording the Video and
the vocals weren't you know?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
lining with the show.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm not a lot of mouth, so you can't see that
it's not but, but it was wellmade, though, like it must have
taken a long time to edit.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean this is.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I was just I'm listening to that the Open Mike
Eagles show.
What it happened was and he'sgot quest love on this season,
some quest.
I was talking about the rootsalbums and he's just one of the
things.
Main things he's talking aboutis just mastering things and
just like doing, like justmaking sure all the levels are
right on stuff and how long ittakes per song that case lay
(23:47):
song sending in like cell phonefootage.
I can't even imagine how longthat took to master.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And then the beat switches up and I mean I'm most
part of the same beef for our,but you know it has different
cadences to it and differentyeah to it in different parts.
So people have to jump in.
You have to make it sound right.
Oh man, that shit probably tookmonths to put together.
And I mentioned, you mentionedsnoop, so he was on it.
He has a yeah has a littleverse on there.
I can't remember everybody thatwas on.
(24:14):
It was 200 people.
A lot of them were likeunderground.
A lot Of more of guys I neverheard of.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Just guys from the case lays convenience store and
some of them he's in.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
some of you know some of the parts of the videos,
case lays with them.
You know, I mean on right shit.
One of the people that stoodout to me was big daddy Kane.
Yeah, because, because he'shonored and he had one to me and
my obviously, my opinion, I'mold school head he had one of
the best verses on the shit.
Yeah, you know, I'm saying youget guys you know from the, from
the 80s and shit that come onand it doesn't really translate
well, yeah, I mean they're stillyeah, can we touch ago?
(24:44):
Yeah, yeah but Kane, he's stillspitting.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, and they had older guys on there.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They had, I'm trying to think, melly Mel.
You know, melly Mel, what's?
The dude has always on steroids.
Melly Mel, he was on there, youknow his verses or whatever you
know.
I mean, yeah, and they had someother dudes that were real old
and you, like, you could tellit's dated, it's dated.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah for sure.
Yeah, yeah, they haven'tchanged up their style.
But I came but Kane alwayswrapped, like I mean, he was
always like a rappers rapper.
You know it's like you listento it, like the way and him and
rock him and like certain peoplelike they had that flow.
You know Will Smith talks aboutit a lot with the summertime
verse, like whether or notRackim wrote that, because it
was just like it's ahead of itstime and they could still you
still listen to rock him, rapnow and he wraps with the beat
(25:25):
in a way that's very modern.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I think rock him was on it.
Like I said, it was 200 people.
I would have to go back andwatch 200 people, it's like I
don't want to sit throughanother hour of that shit.
I mean I didn't sit for an hourstraight like I would watch 10
15 minutes I was right.
I would do something.
Come back, sure, and I did that, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I mean 200 people makes me nervous that it's gonna
be like you were talking aboutKodak Black last week or
whatever.
It's like, yeah, I would benervous like oh god, how many
fucking fillers of these mumblerap assholes are gonna be on
here like I can't listen toKodak Black.
Even do eight bars, I'll killmyself.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I can't, I can't, but it wasn't mumble.
It wasn't mumble.
Paul Wall was on there, Iremember.
Yeah, you know who.
I saw on there and this is oneof the guys old school dudes
that to me, has gotten betterwith a yeah, and I'm talking
about Peter Guns.
Really, he did a verse on there.
The problem with Peter Guns isthat he doesn't put out music,
(26:14):
right.
Right, every once in a whileHe'll just be on featured on one
of the K Slade things.
You know.
He'll have a little verse hereand, yeah, he'll do a little
video with his son, corey andthey'll spray back and forth and
I'm like yo, his shit is dope,His shit is nice, but he's just
been living off for that one-hitwonder for the last 30 years,
right, yeah you know, but I'mlike I'm listening to him, I'm
like, damn, peter Panky stillhas it bro.
(26:36):
I yeah, go check that shit out.
Alright, video bro.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, our, if your board always.
Yeah, reserve my afternoon forit you.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Speaking of the culture, new York City declared
November 9th Wu Tang Day andwe're celebrating.
What are we celebrating now?
The 30th anniversary of the 36chambers?
Yeah to the 36 chambers.
Yeah, which makes me feel old.
I mean, I just turned 40.
I just celebrated my 40thbirthday in Jamaica.
Shout outs to me happy birthdayback, and it makes me feel old.
(27:16):
I'm like shit.
It's been 30 years.
Because I had this album as achild.
Yes, you were tan, I was tanand I had.
Then I remember my dad broke it.
Yeah, my dad walked in my roomand I had oh, I had entered the
36 chambers, yep, and I also hadthe DMX is dark and hell is hot
CD.
Right, and you know he wasn'thaving that shit because he
(27:38):
ain't want me listening to, youknow, violence and shit that had
curse in it.
And I wouldn't even consider WuTang to be violent as much as
they would have profanity.
The DMX Definitely had a lot ofviolence.
Oh yeah, I would argue thatthat album was horror core.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, he was trying, yeah, he was trying to do that
kind of yeah, I gravedigger issort of like it's maybe it's a
Tannock man, you know.
Yeah, right, you're dead.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm awake, I'm gonna kill you, you know.
So.
My dad took both of those CDsand broke them in half.
I remember that shit in frontof you?
Yeah, he broke them in half andthat's awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
That's there's been traumatizing.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But now I can just go on my phone and listen to the
albums anytime I want.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, try to break this dad.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, but like damn, 36 chambers and I'm sitting
there and I'm listening to thisshit and I'm writing down the
lyrics is what I used to do.
I used to put the shit on mylittle headphones and I would
write the little.
I had no idea what anythingmeant, that the fucking Wu Tang
was saying you know, yeah, youcan listen to it now, 30 years
later, and I'm like, oh, thisshit makes more sense to me now
right, Wu Tang is not reallyknown for making tons of sense.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
No, especially go to be yeah yeah, ghost phase.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Don't even know what the fuck.
No he admit that shit in onetime.
They, a lot of the sheen, evenknow what the fuck what he was
saying.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh yeah, I mean when girls face also is one of those
people who like he, like he wasmore.
It was more about finding therhyme than it was me kind of
making a story or whatever Idon't know what.
It's still one of my favorites,though.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It just sounded raw, it just sounded dope and
flawless.
The beats for sure, yeah,whether you know what the fuck
they were saying they would.
I was listening to the radiothe day Ebro and num and Peter
Rosenberg, 1997 and they weretalking about that and they were
taking call.
They were taking callers andand people were calling in from
all over the world Telling themwhat this album meant to them.
36 chambers, yeah, and therewas people calling in from like
(29:17):
other countries, like Latincountries, that they didn't even
speak English during the time.
Oh yeah, and they were on theradio talking to these guys with
their broken English.
He was like, yeah, I had thisalbum when I was growing up.
I didn't even know English andI was listening to it and it was
my favorite album ever.
And they're like, how, what thefuck?
How you know, even know whatthey were.
They were like, yeah, we didn'tknow what they were saying, but
the beats were dope, they'rejust sounded good you know.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But, dude, this is like where you know like so many
artists will talk about goingto, like Japan and Whole crowd
doesn't speak, like basicallydoesn't speak English, but they
know every single fucking wordand can you know?
There's something about it likethat that transcends, like
whether or not you know how toyou know Speak the language or
not, and that was definitelylike a formative album that got
(29:57):
an A&R push in Europe and inAsia.
That, like that was like thekind of the first time or the
first part of history you knowthe history of hip-hop when,
like a and r was, they werepushing, pushing, pushing for
Eastern block countries,european countries in Asia,
because they wanted to starttouring the artists and making
more money out of them.
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I would argue that Wu Tang clan is the biggest
Underground entity of all time.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You, should you call them underground?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Because they've been, but they were blackball,
remember we were really there,were.
They didn't have a lot of songson the radio.
Like right now that's the mainstream one, right?
Yeah, but they were blackballedby like hot 97.
Yeah, and now, at the time thatwas the only hip-hop station in
New York.
Yeah, so unless they were on amusic video, you know, I mean we
weren't really hearing them onthe radio, and yet they still
(30:47):
made it to a certain level.
They still for sure in Superstardom without having maximum
exposure Right right.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, I mean it's.
I would wonder, I would love tosee like a chart of, like you
know, mount spent on a group,versus how much they, how much
revenue they brought in and WuTang probably has you know one
of the kind of the highestprofit margins, because they
were just.
I mean I Would, because Iremember, like Wu Tang, I was
like a big Wu Tang fan, like andthen, but more of a fan of the
(31:13):
individual albums and, yeah,dude, I mean I guess I could go
with calling them underground.
They're at that kind of likethreshold point where they
weren't pop, you know theyweren't they, but they, I
wouldn't call them backpackrapper Anything, but like they
are the most pop of backpackrapper, I'd say Wu.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Tang Klang ain't not a fuck with nah Moving along.
I don't know how much you'veseen this argument online.
This is the DMX versus Tupacdebate.
Hmm, somebody decided to,that's.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Paul rapper.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Not necessarily, but what they're saying is that I
mean, although they do have alot of similarities, hmm,
obviously, like the appearance,yeah, and like the, I think the,
the there's a lot ofsimilarities in the rap, because
I call them passion rappers,because they weren't like the
best lyrically.
Yeah, okay, felt what theywould say and you feel yeah sure
like caucus was not a betterrapper than Biggie right, he
(32:05):
made you feel some shit.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, I mean he was poetic in a sense.
I mean he, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And so it just took off online and went viral,
because people are saying likewait a minute, why are we
comparing Pac and Biggie?
And then people were commentinglike well, not pocket biggie
Pac in and DMX.
Yeah and they're saying well,the argument is much closer than
people may think.
Hmm and.
I have not heard this argument.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I don't know.
I mean I have to think about it.
I mean they both have there alot of their songs are
storytelling, like a lot of itis about kind of a character.
I mean Biggie was just so muchof a.
I don't know.
I think the Biggie Tupac, youknow, contest for me is like
it's just different, it's toodifferent.
There's like very differentrappers and they're not like
it's not East Coast, west Coast.
One of them was like it's justlike Biggie was.
(32:48):
You know, biggie was Biggie.
He was, like you know,influenced by Puff and aren't,
aren't being more hard nextthough.
DMX.
I don't know.
I always think of DMX kind ofwas in his own category.
I don't think of DMX as like alyricist, for sure I mean it's,
but it is like kind of from thestorytelling perspective, I can
see where he could be comparedto Tupac and I don't know.
I have to think about it.
I got you on it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
The only difference is that, you know, obviously Poc
had a million albums, whereasyou know, x had that first album
, which was classic.
Sure, second album was reallygood, third album was okay, but
then after that he fell off.
Right, but that first album tome is my favorite hip hop album
of all time and I would and Iwould put that up against any
Tupac album.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, I mean Tupac's albums weren't the standouts.
I mean I don't think that, likehe had singles that were
standouts for sure, right, yeah,a lot of good songs.
Albums they always kept feltkind of discombobulated or
whatever Like.
But Darkest Hells, it's Darkand Hell's Hot, you're saying.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
The second one was Flesh of my Flesh, blood, of my
Blood, which is really good,yeah, I mean no, but it's Dark
and Hell's Hot was like it feltlike a concept album, Like it
was thorough, Like it felt likeit was like doing a half, like a
story to tell front to back.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, like a movie.
Every, every song went into thenext one and it felt like they
all connected together.
That's your favorite of alltime.
Have you said that before?
We've talked about that on here.
We did a whole episode aboutour top albums of all time that
is my number one favorite album.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I forgot that was your number one.
All right, yeah, I mean, I'mwith that.
I got it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I support it.
Lauren Hill, miss Education isin my top five, but DMX is Dark
and Hell is Hot is my favoritealbum of all time.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
All right, I'm going to listen to it today.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And I, you know, I'm here for the comparisons of him
and Tupac.
They look alike, they're bothbaldheaded.
They both, you know they preachthat thug life mentality, sure.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
But all right, the last topic that I wanted to show
with and I said I've beensaying for the last few weeks
that I don't want to talk aboutthis man anymore, but he just
keeps popping up.
His wife keeps popping up.
He keeps popping up.
You know, I'm ready to talkabout William, william, william.
Willard Willard, willard,willard, willard because a
(34:50):
former employee and, quoteunquote, best friend, brother
Bilal, decided to start speakingout about how Will Smith is gay
and how he had a romanticrelationship with Dwayne Martin.
Like, first of all, whetherthis is true or not, I feel like
this is just a disgruntledemployee, right Ex-employee?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm an ex-employee andnow he wants to start talking
(35:11):
shit.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Of course.
I believe an ex-employee like Ibelieve a fucking tabloid rag
or whatever.
It's like no, you're justpissed off and you want to burn
someone down.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
They asked Jada about it, jada said that we're going
to sue Yep, you said her andwe're going to sue this fucking
guy.
So I mean there's been rumorsthat Will is gay and gay parties
and whatever right.
There's been rumors about thatshit.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I mean he played gay characters on TV and he played
them very well, I think thatevery it would do everybody a
whole lot of good to a like he'sbisexual.
If he's bisexual, you know he'snot gay, I mean, and if he's
gay he's gay, whatever.
But I think he's had romanticrelationships with women so he's
at, you know, bisexual.
And also I think it would doeverybody a whole lot of good to
just kind of like look atsexuality as more of a spectrum
(35:51):
and just be like, yeah, somepeople are like fully more in
this direction, fully more inthat direction, but everybody
has kind of attractions to alldifferent people.
It would just make it a wholelot easier if people weren't so
polarized about the whole gaystraight by thing.
You know it just everybody'slike and it's still like who the
fuck cares?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I mean he's an actor, he's a progressive take on your
part.
Hell yeah, I mean PortlandOregon represent.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Just calm the fuck down.
Who cares what holes they stickanything into, it's theirs,
it's their biz, you fuckingliberal, you know baby.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
But yeah, I mean, if he's gay, he's, that's fine.
I think they should just leavethis man alone, right?
Like just let's just leave himalone for like a year, let him
bounce back.
We know he's probably bisexual.
We know he's been in an openmarriage for the longest time.
Sure, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It is what it is and it's like you know, in Hollywood
it's like I don't know.
It's just.
The one thing I think that allthis proves is that, like
through all of this and likelistening to Will's new podcast
and everything like he's just Ithink he's just like a, really
like a pretty nice guy.
I also think he's prettyaffected by Hollywood.
He's kind of ridiculous, likemight refer to himself in the
(36:57):
third person.
I don't know man, I just don'tfind it all that interesting.
I think Jada is like she'sfeeling her star start to fade
and maybe her star was neverreally that bright, and so she's
just like yep, yep, yep, butit's, I don't know man, just
just let him do his thing.
He's kind of a wiener, likehe's been a cuckold in his
relationship.
Just give the guy a little bitof fucking space.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Just leave my man alone, man, like that Michael
Jackson song.
Leave me alone, exactly, yeah,but that's gonna be our episode.
Man, we covered like six topicstoday.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
We nailed it, bang bang, f***ing, crushed it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
We definitely missed Ant man.
He couldn't be here with ustoday.
He's doing, you know, hissocial work.
Yeah, he's doing God's work outhere.
Sure is, he's a God among men.
I'll say this, though thisepisode would have definitely
been like two hours with him onit.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No doubt he would have some things to say.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He likes to argue, he likes to complain that I don't
let him talk.
But I think it's the totalopposite I think he talks he
definitely talks.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I've got my.
I said I've got my pulpit rightover here.
He could, he can, get on thepulpit and preach when
everyone's still.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yo, this was episode 148.
We're almost there, man Woo.
We're almost at anothermilestone.
That's a lot on YouTube now.
We're everywhere, man.
Go subscribe like share followall that good shit, la cultura,
peace, peace.
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