Daily Ticket w/ Brace & Barnard: NBA Playoffs, Draymond Green, and More - 04/29/25

Sean Brace and Sean Barnard discuss all things #NBAPlayoffs. Draymond Green is simply treated differently, Rockets-Warriors, Pacers-Bucks, and more.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Following just to let you know, great day of programming here,
we're gonna run a little best of from Sean and
Sam from yesterday where they talked a little big picture.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I don't think anybody on the show yesterday.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're gonna cut it down because you guys did a
great job covering everything. But I don't think anybody had
the Miami Heat coming back from three games to none.
The Warriors and Rockets is definitely just an interesting discussion.
But we'll talk about that just a second.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
So we got that.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's coming up next, and in a little bit later
on the station, Bending the Edge with Ryan Beef Cooyle
and Nick McLay, a little NFL draft recap and We're
gonna hit on a little of that as well. We
got a lot to do, Sean. Let's get right into it.
Philly's back in action date or day one against the
Nationals at home.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Of course, took two or three against the Chicago Cubs
over the weekend. Cubs on top of the Central Division.
So don't sleep on the Cubbies, all right, that was
a big time series win. Oh by the way, I
think the phill Is heading into that series in Chicago
ended up losing three straight road series if I'm not mistaken.
So put an end to that, which is a good thing.
We'll talk a little bit a little bit about that

(01:43):
coming up with Fire Up DraftKings Sportsbook, take a look
at the pitching matchup, so on and so forth. But
of course I got Sean Bernard here today. We got
to open up with the NBA playoffs, and I have
to ask you this. I'm a very simple man, you know,
simple man like Leonard Skinnard once said, I'm gonna say everybody, uh,
the the trauma from me trying to belt out those lyrics.

(02:05):
But if I was to tell you that in the
second quarter when the Houston Rockets were winning by two
points and Dylan Brooks punched Jimmy Butler in the head
on the free throw line.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Just just whack. I get it, I get it. It's
not what we want.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
But would that have benefited the Houston Rockets more yesterday
and therefore might have led them to a two two
series tie instead of now trailing three games to one,
and pretty much all she wrote, maybe if you get
Jimmy Butler out of that game and it's only Steph
Curry and you lose, Dylan Brooks, oh, well, would you
sign off on that?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Because I'm actually surprised you went this direction with it,
because to me, the Draymond Green stuff was far more
egregious yesterday that Draymond Green a thousand percent should have been
kicked out of that game before.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
No doubt, no doubt, no arguments there.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
And by the way, Draymond the guy who makes the
game winning defensive play because he's Draymond Green and that's
what he does, I would, personally was much more rattled
and frustrated, upset. Can't believe the different standard of Draymond Green.
If any other NBA player does the things that Draymond
Green does, how quickly they're kicked out of the game.
But he's just allowed to do those things. The dudes
addicted to trying to kick guys in the nuts and

(03:18):
try to do it again yesterday to Tari Easton there
as Tari stood over him while he was already on
a technical foul there.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
So yeah, there was a lot. It was a bloodbat,
it was a UFC.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Battle in the first half of that game there, but
it did end up being a pretty good basketball game
down the stretch there. I do feel a little bit
heartbroken for this Rockets teams. I don't see where when
they come back from the three one deficit, but to
be honest, like they do have to look themselves in
the mirror as well. That I thought Imo Yudoko was
out coached in that second half by a pretty comfortable margin.
He should have stuck with Steven Adams in the double

(03:48):
big lineup to a larger extent. Jalen Green, you just
have to be better at a regular rate. Another game
where he was held below ten points scoring. That is
three out of the four games in the series that
he's been held below ten points and it's not coincidental
that they've lost all three of those games here, So
you have to get more from a guy who's supposed
to be the face of the franchise. There, So the
Rockets got away of the responsibility at the end of

(04:08):
the day.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
No doubt. And look, I guess a big picture. I
mean one o nine one oh six finals score right.
Game one was a blowout. That was an ugly game.
Of course, Rockets won the second game, third game one
oh four to ninety three.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
That got ugly as well.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
You know, I don't remember if you had the Houston
Rockets winning this series. I don't believe you did, right,
I think that am I mistaken on that?

Speaker 4 (04:32):
No, I'd be Warriors. I thought it was gonna be
a battle. I'd Warriors in seven. So this is it's
been a little bit more convincing. Although series not over completely, No.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's definitely not.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it's kind of going the way I felt it would, right,
I think a lot of us thought it would where Look,
you're talking about the Golden State Warriors champions championship mentality
just a different level. And the Houston Rockets have to grow, right.
They're a young team with a extremely bright future if
everything stays as status quo at this point. But sing
Boon fuck. Oh sorry, I'm about to jumping that pomb there,

(05:04):
But just go down the list of all these players Green,
like you said, the talent is there.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's like they got to take their lumps, like this
is the this.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Is the series that they're going to lose, and that
some of these guys, Thompson, they're gonna look back on.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
You know what, man, we could have played better. We
were better than what we showed.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
We got rattled in that second half in that Game
four where we should have came out.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
And won that game. I thought they were gonna win, Sean,
I did. I was.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
They were up by three with like two to go,
and I'm like, are the Rockets going to win this game?
And then it didn't happen. And we'll get into the
argument about the call, because it's just it's so frustrating,
and we're all doing it today around the water cooler.
We're comparing and contrasting all these fouls to what took
place in Detroit and it's like, wait a minute, you know,
and I have something for you too with that, because

(05:47):
and I'll ask you this right now, like I forget
what I was doing, but I missed. I had to
work so I missed that Detroit final second full like
start to finish.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Did they review that?

Speaker 5 (06:02):
No? No, that was the whistle went final and it
was over. It was have a game.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
And then mind you, why don't they review it? Why
didn't they?

Speaker 4 (06:09):
There was no call to review. If you make a
call and then you can review whether or not to
a foul. They did not call anything live, so the
whistle went final, the game went final.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Makes sense, okay, because I'm watching Lebron.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
He gets the the you know, the flip on that
one where he goes in with the hand where it
looked like it was out of bounds and it should
have went I believe the overtime. Instead, Lebron got that
that that foul, and then last night right like they
reviewed it, didn't they reviewed it and they still stayed
with it or whether they didn't review it at all
and the call was the call. I apologize, my brain
is all run it together. But I don't think dream

(06:42):
On or I don't think he was fouled. I don't
think Jimmy was fouled.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, no, no, no, the we I don't have a referee
issue with last night. I mean I I sort of do.
In the first half and like what a bloodbath it was.
As far as the actual like impact the game down
the stretch, I don't think they just talk.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
About that Jimmy Butler three pointer. You thought that that
was a good call.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
The one the Dylan Brooks close out you're talking about, Yeah,
I mean, I understand why Rockets people would have an
issue with it, but the letter of the laws, you
gotta give guy landing spot and he made contact with
the left hip there, like the hand on the hip
the way Dylan Brooks does, which, by the way Dylan
Brooks does on like every play, like that's something that
he needs to fix.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
There. I get it. I do think it's a foul.
Jimmy knows what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
He's savvy, he's going to create the contact and Jimmy's
also excellent at that.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
So I didn't have an issue with that one.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I get having a sour taste, but that last night
I wasn't upset about that.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
But Detroit was the foul.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, well that was more like directly into his line
of like Correctshart hit him on the hip, like Dylan
Brooks didn't jump into Jimmy Butler last night.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Josh Hart did, right, no, you're right, and I'm just like,
you know, I think a lot of us are doing
that this morning, Like wait a minute, there's some inconsistency
is going on right now.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But the way the way you clear right.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
To your point here, I'm arguing that like the Pistons
call was more egregious, or the foul was more egregious,
which was not called versus last night was called, and
I didn't have a problem with that being called. So
I guess like we're kind of on the same page
with it.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you know, it's just frustrating because you want to
I wanted to see the rockets with I'm so anti
Draymond anything that he rubs me such the wrong way.
It's like, if he's on that team, he could be
suiting up for teams us say, and I'd probably be
pulling for Czechoslovakia. Like that's how bad of Like you know,
a villain he is, and you know he's credit to him.

(08:27):
He's a championship player. He's made himself a hell of
a career and like you said, at the end of
the game, he still finds a way to be involved
in a mix making a play defensively.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
But he's so frustrating, and he's he was very lucky
to be in that game.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
It really is absurd to me, like there are different
rules that Draymond Green gets to play by, and I
don't think I've ever seen it come up before where
there's been a flagrant and a technical like on the
same player in a game like that, and mind you,
within the span of like, I do think the referees
kind of put themselves in a tough spot here because
I thought the technical was strong that happened. I don't
think Raymond really deserved one for that, but they gave

(09:02):
one to him, and then immediately after the fact, like
two minutes later, just a clear cut one that should
have been a tech goo in my mind, which means
he's out the game.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Ultimately.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
He did say he filled out his Bengo card of
however many fouls and how many different ways that he
can get in trouble in a game throughout.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
That matchup there.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
But then like at the end of the day, for
all that, I'm gonna talk trash on him, and I agree,
like I was mad and watching him play last night,
he did make the game winning defensive play and he
is a phenomenal defensive player who's very important to this
Warriors team. And I think that's what's frustrating about the
Draymond Green experience to me, is like there are really
valuable basketball qualities that he brings to a team, but
so often they get so overshadowed by all the nonsense

(09:40):
and it just does not need to be that way.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
You're right about that, all right?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
What's fire up DraftKings sportsbook and take a look at
some of the numbers that matter. Maybe a little bit
too late to get involved as far as that series
is concerned.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Right here, right now, once again.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Golden State and Houston should be playing to close it
out tomorrow night at seven thirty f Houston a four
point home favorite two four and a half. Anything for
you on that one right now?

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah, I don't mind.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
I do think Houston goes out with some pride here,
like they're not gonna roll over with it and they're
gonna fight. Like I'm gonna bring this conversation back to
the Jalen Green stuff to list off his stats for
this series that he had a brutal game one, played
thirty one minutes, had seven points on three of fifteen shooting,
then exploded in game two thirty eight points thirteen of
twenty five from the field was excellent, the best player

(10:28):
on the floor in that game, then just nine points
in Game three and eight points in Game four. The
Rockets have a really tough decisions to make about the
future of the franchise. They have so much young talent
here and Jalen Green is supposed to be the clear
cut face. You're just not if that's gonna be the
variability that you play with when you don't know what
you're getting on a night to night basis. We've done
this joke with Karris Lavert that it's like a roulette

(10:50):
of what basketball player you're getting, that there's nice where
he'll look like Michael Jordan, there's nice where he'll look
like Jordan Poole, and there's nice where he'll look like
whatever in between there that feels like Jalen Green right
now and just can't happen for a guy of that,
And it's tough, Like I have a hard time quitting
on the dude, because when you see it, it's so evident,
like I can see a world where it all clicks
for him and he's a top ten NBA player, But

(11:11):
you can't have this level of variance in your game.
So the Rockets are gonna have to make some sort
of big swing this offseason to bring it back to
this game specifically, I think they probably squeak out one
more just out of respect and extend the series a little.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
But they're not winning three.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Straight against this Golden State team, all right quickly on
this fifty five points d five point victory in a
closeout spot.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So I'll tell you what, I'm.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Starting to get fired up for those Round two matchups,
especially in the East.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
And I don't think I don't think we talked a
lot about the West. Tell me I'm off. I'm on
this one.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Like, first of all, the Pacers are not getting nearly
enough credit. We don't talk about them in the right
way we should be. This is a team that went
to the conference finals last year, had a sluggish start,
and continue to just show up and kick your ass.
And that's what they did against the Milwaukee Bucks, where
a lot of people are like a Dame's back, I'm
gonna go with the Milwaukee Bucks. The Pacers are deeper,

(12:08):
They're more hungry. Like, I love the Pacers, and it's
tough for me to sit here and say Boston look out,
or excuse me, it will be Boston in the Knicks.
It's hard for me to sit here and say Cleveland
look Out, even though they did, I believe take two
or three against Cleveland. But man, the Pacers, it starts
and ends there, Like I don't think they are getting

(12:29):
nearly enough love that they should remember at the beginning
of the playoffs when Lou Williams and Chandler Parsons like,
who do an NBA show where like I haven't watched them,
Like are.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
You watching now? Are you paying attention?

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Now?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Do you give them a shot against the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, I definitely give them a chance, And I think
that's gonna be a fun series, potentially the most entertaining
series out of the four of these.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Semi finals there.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
I mean, the biggest concern is Tyr's Haliburton has a
little bit of that Dalen Green syndrome that I'm talking
about too, where you don't know exactly what you're getting
from him on a night to night basis.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
But the story of this series for the Pacers has
been their depth. That they just have.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Guys that can all compete. Man, the Andrew Nemhartz, the
Aaron Asmith, the Ben Shepherds. You go down the list
if they rotate through to these guys, and it's been
so drastic in contrast to this Milwaukee Bucks roster, which
is so shorthanded, and you're seeing the guys, you know,
the towering Princes and the Kyle Kusma who just have not.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Lived up to what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Cleveland's a little bit more cut from that Pacers mold,
where they do have depth, pieces, have rotation, and Donovan Mitchell.
I do think it's gonna end up looking like the
best player on the court in that series.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
So it's going to be a battle.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
I think both these teams know exactly who they are
as like an identity here, which I think is really cool.
The Pacers defensively have reached the level that I was
skeptical as possible for them the.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Season, so give a lot of props there.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
So I do think we are going to be in
a bat in for a battle in that series, and
I'm definitely giving the Pacers a fair chance to knock
them off.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
If the Pacers were playing the Knicks, I would take
the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, I would agree, But they're playing the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, it'll be great next week, Jay, I did it again.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I did it again. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
They're playing the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I got the Yeah, I apologize. Everything's gonna come back
to Boston versus Cleveland and knees to conference finals. And
I'm trying to make a big deal over the Pacers.
But we know what's in their future. We'll see what happens.
We don't have the numbers in front of us, we
don't have the series price, we don't have the series games.
So there's maybe ways to get involved, even though we
do think that they will be coming to a halt

(14:29):
versus the Cleveland Calves.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
But it is an interesting series that we will be all.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Over for that's for sure, Nicks and the Celtics. If
that's how it plays out. Any chance the Knicks could
beat the Celtics.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
To be honest with you, I think that's a larger
gap than the other series there Boston and I. By
the way, I do want to give Orlando a little
bit of love, but because they have impressed me in this
opening series, they fight, they battle, they definitely have hold.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
What are they missing next year?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Though?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Like what brings what pushes Orlando to that next step
your mind?

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Shooting.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Number One, they're not only the worst three point shooting
team in the NBA this season, they're the worst three
point shooting team of any team since twenty fifteen to sixteen,
which was the Lakers. And they shot thirty one point
six percent as a team from beyond the three point
arc this year. So you just got to get floor spacing,
and that's especially essential when you have guys like Palo
Bancaro and Franz Wagner who want to attack the rim there.
Number Two, if they need like a real deal guard,

(15:23):
they they've got like fun guys, the Anthony Blacks, the
Cole Anthony's.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
Guys that are like good players that can rotate through.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
But you need like a legitimate ball handler guy that
can get you through the clutch, not like Fred van Fleet.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
I think's played that role pretty well.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
For the Rockets last night. It was awesome.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, I think a guy like sort of cut from
that mold there would would make sense. So they're not
that far off. It's a couple pieces, but it's some
very important pieces. They got to get to take that.
But I do give Polo and Franz a lot of
credit for going toe to toe with the Jason Tatums
and Jaylen Brown in this series. But yeah, I do
give Orlando. I like the direction Orlando is trending.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Okay, it is interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know, they have young pieces, They've dealt with a
ton of injuries this year. They had my attention. You're
right when you do watch these games. They were up
by in Game one, they were up by at half
in Boston, right, and like they've been fighting. It's just
the Celtics or the Celtics. Yeah, They're just so good
and there's not much you can do about that. All right,

(16:21):
we are talking big picture. We are hitting a fast
forward button, I am, but forgive me because we do
have four games and these games got to be played
and the almighty equalizer is the point spread.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So with that being said, four games tonight, six o
five pm.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
We'll go quick here, Pacers and Bucks eight point spread,
Pacers favorite two twenty two and a half too many points,
so you just think this is over.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, I like the minus eight and favorite the Pacers
here that I do think it is stick of fork
in Milwaukee that they are done here. I feel bad
for Yan to an extent. I do think we're heading
for a very uncomfortable offseason to Milwaukee. But there's just
too much depth on this Pacers team, and I don't
think they're gonna take their foot off the gas. There
is real deal hatred between these teams, and I do
think that they are not afraid to kick this organization
while they are down. So it wouldn't shock me if

(17:03):
this turns into not quite what we saw last night
with Cleveland and the Miami Heat. But if this goes
to a full scale blowout time, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
It is interesting because you look at you know what's
gonna happen with Jannis, and that's the number one storyline.
Eight points today shall fight here. It does feel like
this is a lost cause for Milwaukee and this is
probably gonna be another lopsided affair like we've seen, although.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
It's been close.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
But again, yeah, if you made me make a selection,
I'm probably given the eight. I'm gonna ride with you
on that one, ride with you. As far as the
minus the eight is concerned. Giannis to the Lakers, who says.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
No, I mean, uh, probably Milwaukee, honest is my Internet.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
How does that? How does what's his what's his status?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Like?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
As far as contract is concerned.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
I know he's got three years left on a full
scale So this.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Is a full throttle I want out trade me superstark
move again.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah, he's he's on a five year, two hundred and
twenty eight million dollar contract or three year one seventy
five million left on it.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
It would be they would get a massive return.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
I to be honest, that wouldn't be a name that
would shock me if Orlando gets in the mix for that.
Mark Henry Junior and I were texting back and forth.
Houston can put together a package that would be pretty
appealing in Toronto as a team to watch out for.
So there will be some bidders for Yannis, assuming that's
the way things play out.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Oh yeah, there's definitely gonna be some bidders who would
fetch more of a package Luca or Yannis.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Luca, right, I think Luca if on the right way,
just because of age and a guy who like the
fact that he's twenty five years old, I think like
really sells it there. But granted, like Giannis, I mean
he's thirty three, like or he's thirty I'm sorry, thirty one,
so he's still got years left and playing at a
very high level. Both, Like you could make a case,
if things play out the right way, that Giannis could

(18:52):
fetch like an all time trade.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Package December sixth thirties gonna be thirty one.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
December of this year. Okay, gotcha even even better for him?

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, you know, and like as much as it sucks
for Milwaukee, like he's obviously been such a face the
franchise done things the right way. It's time you guys
got a ring and you can like jumpstart the next
generation of Bucks basketball.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more with you on that one.
He's been there for a long long time to get
the championship. It starts and ends there. He's drafted by
them in thirteen. You know, that's that's over ten years.
So if a guy like Gianna says it's over, it's
time to move on, then that's just don't hate the player,

(19:38):
hate the game, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
And Dame is Dame done?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
What's Dame's deal because he got traded from Portland obviously
goes there dealing with the injuries, Like it just is
what it is at this point in time with Dame.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I mean it's most likely that he misses all
of next season with the Achilles recovery. Looking at like
the timeline for that, because we're talking like at minimum
nine months before he's playing basketball again. At that point,
we're talking about him being thirty six years old, and
like we've already started to see Damian Lillard sort of
slow down from a physicality standpoint, not quite looking like,
you know, the guy that we once saw lighting up

(20:10):
defenses on an every night basis. So I don't want
to say it's completely over for a guy who at
his peak is one of the most fun basketball players
I've ever seen, but I don't feel great about the
outlook for Damian Lillard really moving forward.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Look for a Keith POMPEII piece and whether or not
a thirty six year old Damian Lillard could lead the
Philadelphia seventy six ers to the promised Lamp.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's like, was that serious? Was that piece serious?

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Last week?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I love Keith, but what in the hell are we
talking about anyways?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
With enough Sixers conversation for right now, I know it's
in the the doul drums where we got to dig
deep to find something to write about in the Inquirer,
But really that was what we decided to go with.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
All right, let's keep it moving, all.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Right, back over to the car tonight once again. Four
games and this is a big one Pistons and Knicks.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
This is going to the first and foremost to five
and a half.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
If the Knicks get this job done tonight, just winning,
that's in five. So Sean manardt's a losing wager by
you against Sam Astre. But if the Pistons are able
to force a game six and this goes back to Detroit,
that's a win.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
But you gotta love it. These are This is why
we do what we do. This is why the Gambler
Gang exists. We have fun wager we bet against each other.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Nicks five and a half though tonight game at MSG,
Pistons have played their ass off. It's been a great series, Chippy.
What is your expectations tonight? Where does this one go?

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, I'm going down with the ship with my Detroit
Pistons here.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
I think they're gonna go down fighting.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's tough, like it's tough not to be demoralized by
the way that things have gone, because realistically, we very
well can be talking about Detroit leading this series three
one right now. A couple different breaks, a couple things
go the different way, you get one, correct fucl just
a little different things breaking the right way. But that's
not how life works, that's not how basketball works, and
the Knicks to hold the three to one commanding series lead.

(22:04):
I hate that it's in Madison Square Garden tonight. I
think it's gonna be a brutal place for Detroit to
walk into. It's gonna be an unreal atmosphere in there.
But in defense of the Pistons here we if one
thing is clear at this point, this team's not gonna
roll over.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
They're not gonna stop here.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I've still liked what I've seen from Kate Cunningham, and
I leave this series even more convinced that he can
be the best player on championship contending team here. I mean,
New York's gonna bring it. It's gonna be on Detroit
to raise to that level here. I think they probably
have a couple punches in them, but it also wouldn't
shock me if they just you know, New York lay
isn't on here. So I don't feel great about the spot,
but I'm gonna go down with the ship with pistons.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, you have to go down with the ship. And
they have been shown fight. It's just what.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Could be the difference in this? Like where does it
start for you? Is it a matter of fourth quarter?
Can somebody shut down Jalen Brunson? Can we stop him?
Is that where it starts for you? Get me to
the fourth and we got to play better defense on
Jalen Brunson some way somehow.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Yeah, I mean that's certainly a big part of it
is he's been tearing up fifteen points in the fourth
quarter last game. Isaiah Stewart is hopefully coming back for
the Pistons today, which I get the reputation of him
is just like a fighter guy, but he does bring
something as far as defensive impact, rim protection and like
they with all due respect to my guy, be will Paul.
I think that they will serve a lot better with

(23:17):
Isaiah Stewart eating up those sort of minutes rather than
Paul and and and even gives you a little bit
of just different look of throw Stewart on Karl Anthony
Towns for a stretch right rether than Tobias Harris having
to attempt to keep being physical with them. So I
do think Stewart changes the picture a little bit, even
though he's not far from a perfect player either. But
it's it's on Detroit. They gotta find they gotta figure

(23:38):
something out here. I don't feel great about it.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
I won't lie to you.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Five and a half is a lot, we'll see. That's
a team that definitely has some fight.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Man. I could see them going up to MSG and
hanging and Nick's like to play with their food.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
But at the end of the day it could get
lopsided as well.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
It's a tough place to play at MSG, and especially
in to close out.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
New York's Zoo, and it's a only gonna be crazier.
It's gonna be times ten tonight.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
With the close out spot here, all right, keeping a
moving magic. Celtics eleven and a half, Are you back
in the magic catching the points?

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, I'm taking the magic to cover. I've been impressed
with the way they fought. And the dangerous part about
this to me is I'm confident this game remains sort
of close, but it just takes one of those barrages
from the Celtics to put this above that number that
I believe the spread with seven and a half. In
the last game, the Magic were within like a two
point three point margin for just about the entirety of it.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
And then the game ends is a nine point Celtics win.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
So like it wasn't the final score was not as
close as that game was. I fear something like that
happens today. But I do think the Magic come in
their battle, and I'm willing to roll the dice on
the twelve and a half because of that.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
All right, and then a final game.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Let's talk about this series as a whole, because this
is the one Clippers and Nuggets, man, and you know
you feel for the Clippers at well, again, it was
a tie game, it would have went to overtime. Don't
know how that's gonna play out, but to lose, yeah,
you know they focused on Joker and you know what

(25:06):
a crazy way that that that game ended because even
as I was watching the replay, I'm like, I don't
know the rules, Like his finger was still on the ball,
it was through the cylinder, the light was on, and
just like does that count? It should count? I didn't know, though,
I was expecting it not to count. And then I'm like,
we'll see what happens. But regardless, here we are best
of three right now between the Clippers and Nuggets Game

(25:27):
five tonight in Denver point and a half, and Clippers
are favored. Ten oh five is our tip to eight
and a half is our start or our total? Here
sean wrong team favored in your mind.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
By far the game that I've had the toughest time with,
I do still think that the Clippers are the slightly
better team. I mean, minus one twenty two to plus
one or two is about as close as you're gonna get.
It's still my optimism in like the supporting cast that
gives me faith in this Clippers team. Shout out to
and Gordon Matt Like that is honestly one of the
crazier finishes I've ever seen in the basket and had
the same experience view of I've watched that clip one

(26:03):
hundred times and still can't definitively tell you what my
opinion is on whether or not it's counted. Ultimately, I
do think the referees did get it right, and you
got to give it to them in that spot, and
I do think it was through the cylinder, if that
is the letter of the law here. But now that
is all white clean, that this is just a best
of three series here, I think that the Clippers are
gonna wake up a little bit from that. But like that,
both their losses in the series were just James Harden

(26:26):
not boxing out. Essentially that if you put a body
on Aaron Gordon that spot, you're talking about going to overtime.
I get in that case, same in the last series
that you allowed an extra possession or in that last
loss that you allowed an extra possession that ultimately cost
you the game there. So they're little things that can
be fixed. I think the Clippers that overall have executed
a fairly high level and while Yoki just terrific.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Like Michael Porter Jr.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
It's been a roller coaster experience in the series, and
Gordon really battling through some physical stuff even while playing well.
So I kind of think like the Nuggets are playing
their A plus basketball while the Clippers haven't fully and
I think that sort of evens out in these final
three games to start with tonight.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's been a hell of a ride.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Man.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
These NBA playoffs have been hitting in a big, big way.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
You know, from the Rockets, the Warriors series the Knicks
and Pistons. You know, look, you get your blowouts, don't
get me wrong. And nobody's shocked that the Cavs laid
the lumber the way that they have swept them. I'm
not surprised that they swept them, but winning by fifty five,
embarrassing them on their own floor in the Miami Heat,
with the Heat culture.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Thirty point five points per game on average.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, I think it's the most lopsided series in NBA
playoff history. I believe in four games. Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
And you know, if you're the Miami Heat, you gotta
scrap everything. Like you know, if you're telling me that
Lebron was too much with his entourage back in the
day and that was you know pat Riley, like I'm done,

(27:50):
I'm good. Everything else that we've heard about pat Riley,
Like what do you do now?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
You know, what do you do? Well?

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I think we sort of forget, like how much of
this season and was completely derailed by the whole Jimmy
Butler saga, like that was not he played I think
twenty nine regular season game, thirty regular season games with
the Warriors, Like so much of the season was Jimmy
Butler pouting?

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Is he playing tonight? Is he not?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Is he suspended? What's going on? Like this whole season
was sort of a wash that they never really had
a chance to build. Now you're right to the point
that they have to add talent here, They have to
get better players, like that is the root of this here.
But Tyler Hero I thought, took some nice strides. Bam
Mountebayo is still a good player. Davion Mitchell I think
a really positive storyline.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Clil Ware.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
I think that they hit on on the draft, So
there's something here. But you gotta like start from ground
zero and build up because, like I think the story
of the season, if you're the Heat, you pretty much
got to chalk it up to like the Jimmy Butler
divorce sort of derailed everything and now we got to
wipe the slate clean and start whatever this next version
of ourselves is.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
It's pretty crazy because you look at those two teams
in Florida. One is supposed to have the culture didn't
really show us in Miami. Orlando might be building something,
you know, like we discussed, So we'll see how that
one plays out. All right, again, back over to Clippers
and Nuggets. Tonight. Clippers are point a half favorite. This
is the series all knotted up at a piece. Two

(29:09):
eight and a half is our total game being played
in Denver. It's gonna be electric. I don't expect this
to be a blowout either way. Odds makers are telling
you that they agree with us there. I'm I'm honed
in on the Clippers because of my pre series wager.
If I did not have that tonight, man, it'd be

(29:31):
hard to bet against the Nuggets in this spot, it
really would. Clippers are gonna have to show me something
going in there and getting a game tonight make me
a believer, because right now as I sit, I don't
think they win tonight. I think that the Nuggets. The
Nuggets are just just have that mentality. It's like clip
the switch. Oh we're still the Denver Nuggets. I know

(29:53):
there have been times that people been looking past us,
but we can absolutely still compete for an NBA championship.
We'll see how that one plays out tonight. Really excited
about that one. Have to get a Lakers conversation a
Lakers thought with you real quick, because we haven't just
we haven't talked since JJ Reddick decided to not substitute
in the second half, and I know that he's getting
crushed for it. And look, that's what you live and die.

(30:15):
You know, you gotta fall in the sword, right, It's
what JJ Reddick decided to do.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Oh, they didn't need a breather.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
We had two timeouts, Like nobody's coming out of the game, right,
even in high school college, Like you're not. I'm not
saying I need a blow guy, get me out of
the game. Lebron James isn't telling you that. Luka Doncis
isn't telling you that. But you got to be better.
If you're JJ Redick, you have to get them some
sort of breather, even though they were winning, even though
it was a close game and they ended up losing

(30:43):
by three, like it was such a fine line. Do
you think if they did get a little bit of
a substitution, a breather, that we're looking at a different
result And if so.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
If not, then like are we making a mountain out
of a mole hill here?

Speaker 4 (30:58):
I think I think proa to be honest with you, Like,
when you're thinking about these guys that you're playing, this
is forty year old Lebron James, and this is Luka
Doncic who the biggest concern regarding him overall is his
fitness and conditioning here and that's why the whole Mavericks
traded him.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
And mind you, like he was injured the whole first
half of the season, so this.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Is not like, you know, he had a chance to
shift his mindset completely come into the season with a
whole new perspective. Here, we know kind of the situation
here and watching that game, like Luca was hands on
his knees, he was every time out like you can
see it there now like in JJ's defense a little
bit here. Sort of the problem when you make a
massive mid season trade of the magnitude of Luka Doncic

(31:37):
is you don't have a chance to build the roster
around these guys the way that it's necessary to be,
like they tried with the Mark Williams trade, which obviously
fell through. It's clear that JJ Reddick does not trust
very many players in the rotation. There's really six guys
that he relies on here. But like you this, these
are your guys at this point. There is no changing that,
so you kind of got to make do You're telling me.

(31:58):
You can't squeeze like six minutes, shake Milton here, or
whatever the case may be, you throw a name at me.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
It is kind of my point here. So I think
it was a mistake by J. J. Reddick. They very
well might have lost that game. Otherwise. My biggest concern
in this overall series.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Is like, the belief in the Lakers should be that, yes,
the Timberwolves are a more cohesive team, They're more depth
top to bottom, more talent, But you have Luca, Dongester,
Lebron James, you're gonna have the best player in the series.
The problem with that is Anthony Edwards has been the
best player in the series that I think in my
mind he's pretty comfortably outplayed both Luca and do Ngerton,
Lebron James, and that should be kind of the stunning

(32:32):
I guess reality check from a Lakers perspective, totally.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Agree he has been.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I don't think anybody should be arguing that AT's been
on a different level, totally putting this team on his back,
showing us what he has in the tank. And again,
this is another team that maybe we weren't talking enough
about right Like, again, the issue that I have when
I asked these questions, is like, as soon as I
want to beat my chest for these underdogs, right, these

(32:58):
teams that went on the run last year, Yeah, but
who are they playing next?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
And then it's like, yeah, all right, so now what?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
But there is one fact it is factual to say,
like nobody had the Tea Wolves against the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Nobody did. Everybody had the Lakers winning this.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I know right hand in the era, I wanted the
Lakers to win this because of the NBA, Like I
want to wanted to see that next round with Lebron
out there, of course, but it doesn't seem like that's
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
And it just feels like the Minnesota Timbuleves are the
better team. They have the better player on the floor.
Did they have the better starting five?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I don't know if I can go there with Luke
and Lebron, but they're up three to one right now.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, and I probably would with the starting five, to
be honest with you, Like Jackson Hayes, who's this starting
center for the Lakers here, Like he's played less eight
minutes or least, and I believe every game is yere.
He played four minutes the last game at that point,
I don't even understand where you're starting the guy. It's like,
like you clearly don't trust him in rightfully. So he
also picked up a technical foul in those four minutes
that he was on the on the floor in this

(33:59):
previous game. So like, like I get it. There's it's
gonna take an off season to properly build out this
Lakers team around Luketatchin. Like, look at that Dallas Mavericks team.
They did an excellent job doing that, finding the PJ. Washington's,
the Daniel Gafferts, the Derek Lively's. The Lakers need those
type of guys to like maximize their stars, and the
reality is they just don't have them right now.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Get Anthony Edwards or Anthony Davis back on the team,
you know, Arihannis.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, look, you know it's really easy.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
For me to say here, and I'm not like the
basketball ficionado, but when we watch these playoff games, like
if you don't have size, if you don't have like
somebody that could fill that lane up, you're in trouble.
It's just playoff basketball is just a different, different monster.
And and I don't know, maybe even not so much
in this series but you could tell, like the Lakers

(34:50):
just are missing something, and that's where I would start.
I would start there, just not enough rim protect, rim protection,
not enough size in the lane, Antony the Edwards, Like
even though that they were doing that box and one
whatever the hell they were thrown out there, he was
still getting the the rack. Yeah, he's like one of
the greats in the game, but I don't know that.

(35:11):
Like you said in the offseason, JJ, Smart, I'm sure
he's gonna sess real easy what they need. I don't
know if they're able to go out and get it.
But it's gonna be intriguing, that's for sure. And it
should be Lebron James's swan song year two as well.
I would imagine he's gonna retire after next year.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
We'll see. I have no idea what where his heads
at right now.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
He's still playing like it Like I would even argue
he's probably been better than Luca and this I definitely
would argue that he's been better than Luca in this series,
which is insane to say so, Like it's kind of
up to Lebron at this point. And one quick note
on kind of your your theme here, I do think
these playoffs should squash this like kind of casual take
that you know, all NBA teams play the same. Watched

(35:53):
a couple of different playoff games, and you will be
walking that take back right away because you look at
how the Houston Rockets play compared to have the Lakers play,
compared to how the Tenberwolves play. You go down the
list of each of these teams. It is drastically different
styles of basketball. That's part of what makes this sport feutiful.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Oh, absolutely, you know. It's the bodies that fill out
a roster. Of course, you're superstars. Yeah, I know, we
always talk about the superstars. The league is always going
to focus on that. But if we're talking championships and
you don't have depth, and you don't have a team
that could fill out around Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum,
you're not winning a championship if you don't have those players,

(36:28):
like you know, forgive me for saying this, because I
feel like I often knew, but a guy like Al
Horford has been incredible for the Boston Celtics over the years, right,
Like it doesn't it feel like am I wrong by
saying like this dude is the type of guy that
plays different when it comes to playoff time. I know

(36:48):
he's a good player throughout the course of the season,
not so much even this year, but years past. Like
he's a guy that goes in and pulls down that
tough rebound, picks up that tough defensive matchup. He's a
damn good play that you won on your roster. And
you know, look at the Lakers, they don't have that.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Type of guy. And again, like I said, it's just
one guy that I'm throwing out there. But to your point,
as far.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
As teams that play completely different, the Calves much different
than Oklahoma City.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Nicks, the Knicks, Denver, you.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Know, teams that are moving on here, Like, yeah, it's
it's it's you gotta play to your strengths and coaching
is is definitely something that you have to have as
well to win a championship.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Speaking of championship, real quick on this, let's update the
odds DraftKings sportsbook. Okay, see at the top plus one
fifty Celtics two to one, Calves five to one, Golden State,
next stuff out there in the West at sixteen to one,
Clippers twenty five to one to win the championship. T
Wolves twenty eight to one, Lakers forty, Knicks forty five,

(37:52):
Nuggets sixty Pacers seventy to one.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Will stop there. Anything can catch your attention on.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
That, I'm a little bit surprised.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
So for starters, I'll say I think either the Clippers
or Nuggets, whichever team does eventually win that series, will
probably hop the Warriors for the fourth best odds there.
I think, obviously because it's a two to two series
and sort of a toss up at this point that
they've dropped. But I would think either one of those
teams that move on do climb there. The Pacers feel
disrespected to me, I don't think they win an NBA
championship with the plus seven thousand feels kind of crazy

(38:22):
to me, Like I would have guessed they were at
least above the Knicks when talking about like a path
to the championship type out look here, like I give
the Pacers a better chance of knocking out the Cavs
than I give the Knicks of knocking out the Celtics
just looking ahead at the next round, So it's kind
of surprised me. That's like twice the odds there little
less than that Pacers, I would say, is the most
disrespected with it. I do think if you're a big

(38:42):
believer in this Clippers team or this Nuggets team, it's
not a bad chance to take a shot at it
right now because obviously they got to get through the
series and then they're taking on the Oklahoma City Thunder.
So it's not like it is easy by any means.
But I don't think you'll get a better price to
what it currently looks like.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Clippers and t Wolves get my attention. T Wolves twenty
eight to one again, and I think that they could
they could beat the Warriors. And if that's the case,
I don't know what they can do it against OKAC.
But is it okay See? Is it okay See? Or
is it the Nuggets? Is it okay See or is
it the Clippers? And if that's the case, then you're
looking at a team that absolutely went balls out against

(39:20):
Bilklahoma City Thunder in that series. So maybe the Minnesota
Timberlves could sneak into an NBA Finals.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I don't know. Again, you're asking a lot there to
win it all.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
So with that being said, let's talk about the Western
Conference to represent in the NBA Finals OKAC minus one
seventy five Warriors six to one, t Wolves plus a
fifty Clippers ten to one, Nuggets twenty to one.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I think I'd be taking a swing on the Clippers,
to be honest, the more I think about it, they're
like from a matchup perspective, and okay, see is the
gold standard the Juggernaut. Like looking around what team I
think matched up the best with them? It is probably
the Clippers that I do give them a legitimate chance
to be able to match their defensive level.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
That still have a guy like Kawhi Leonard who can.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Absolutely go toe to toe with Shay Gildas Alexander under
the best of circumstances. There So that ten to one
in favor of the Clippers does catch my eye a
little bit from a value standpoint.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
All Right, NBA Playoffs rolling on Sha Bannard, nobody does it.
Better make sure you're following him on all things socials.
Great job yesterday with sam ostri We're running that back today.
You'll be able to hear a little bit more from
those two brilliant basketball minds. And then, of course these
next rown matchups are could be awesome. But let's get
through tonight. Four games on the dacay more more your

(40:29):
favorite play tonight.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
But Pacers minus eight, Okay, stick a fork in Milwaukee, Man.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I'll ride with you.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
It's I would say it's the Nuggets, but I'm not
betting against the Clippers, so I'm gonna ride with you.
As far as the Pacers, we're not Celtics eleven and
a half against the Magic. You think there's gonna be
some fight in that one.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
I think there's fight. My I do think this canna
be a semi close game.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
My fear is like that just barrage of scoring that
the Celtics can port and at any point and make
it look like a blowout e And if it's not.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, exactly all right, quickly on this over to the
world of Major League Baseball. Phillies back in action against
the Washington Nationals, and you would hope that they're able
to get it going here against the Nats. Mackenzie Gore though,
remember him from opening day, Wheeler.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
On the mound for the Phillies season.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
At minus one ninety two warm weather down there at
Citizens Bank Park. Hopefully the bats can be a little
bit more aggressive, but pitcher props are we looking at
Mackenzie Gore strikeouts, he is at seven and a half,
six and a half at minus one oh five. Zach
Wheeler is at six and a half a minus one
twenty five.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Yeah, it was nice to see.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
And by the way, it was thirteen hitters that Mackenzie
Gore struck out on opening day there. I had to
fact check that number because it felt like every single
guy that got to the playtufs who was sent down
with that there.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Show seeing a little bit of life from this Phillies team.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
I do think they've played better baseball of like the
bullpen Jordan Romano pretty encouraging sign the other day, and
I do think some grittiness that we saw in that
Cup series here. So I'm still sort of keeping them
at an arm's length right now. I'm not ready to
be this team's back or they're playing like the World
Series contenders we hope they can be. It is always
nice to have Zach Wheeler and the bump, and I

(42:14):
don't hate that six and a half strikeout number, but
I'm still my mind is open, and I still have
a little bit of skepticism for the Phillies for how
this start to the season has gone.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
I'm looking at the Dodgers rolling the Marlins. Tough game yesterday.
Alcatras clearly not the same picture as he once was.
He's a plus one sixty four. There's nobody mentioned for
the Dodgers starting pitching right now minus one ninety eight.
So maybe this is a spot to jump in there
and buy low, because once they name a pitcher could
shut or could get cut down or a bumped up.

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Let's put it that way in favor of the Dodgers,
Giants and Padres. An interesting series there has my attention.
Braves taking on the Rockies. The Rockies, I believe, are
on pace to win twenty three games, twenty three games
this year, Like, how is it even possible?

Speaker 5 (43:05):
So let them get hot.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Now. Last year, the White Sox were the worst team
in the Major League Baseball history, and the Rockies are
essentially saying, hold my beer, I'm coming for the crown.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
The Rockies are four and twenty four.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Cheez.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I realize that the worst start in modern National League
history and it currently pace to win twenty three games
and lose one hundred and thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, not good, not good at all. That's uh, that's
pretty historical stuff there. I have to imagine they have
some sort of hot streak where you know, they win
like four out of every four out of ten or
something like that that makes them look a little bit
better there. But uh yeah, it's tough times out there
in Colorado. Interesting to see. That'd be that'd be cool
if we get a little bit of chase chasing history
for a worst record than the White Sox just one

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year after the fact.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I like that as well. All right, give me sixty
seconds on this. Why does Shador Sanders slide?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
I think he carried himself like the man when I
don't think NFL teams look like him as the man.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
And I like Shador.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
I'm a bigger believer in Shador than I think a
lot of people, and certainly as indicated by NFL teams
many NFL teams in that I think there's a real
chance where he ends up winning this this Browns quarterback competition.
But I think like the evaluation of the prospect, the
baggage outweighed more than the talent was how a lot
of teams looked at it, and you got to sign
up for the full standards experience, and a lot of
teams didn't want to take that on. So I think

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there's you can spin this in a million different ways.
I still have some sympathy for Shudor. I think there's
a whirl where this is the best thing for him,
where maybe this is a wake up call I got
to carry myself like a professional a little bit more,
or you know, limit on the distraction, all the off
field stuff, all that kind of thing. Ultimately, I still
think he kind of is who he is and it's
going to carry that right into Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
But there's a world where this all works out.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
So I'm not ruling this out like his NFL career
is completely over by any means, but definitely not what
I expect a draft day to look like.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well said, and we'll end on that.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, I agree with everything you just said there. And oh,
by the way, am I really trying to draft to
him when like I'm a head coach and the next
day or the first loss, it's.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Like, is Geon going to replace me?

Speaker 4 (45:08):
I think you're just inviting, Like I get the stance
of like you know, now, I kind of think it's
just the worst thing in the world for him to
be a backup though, because you're still getting all that
stuff without like the buzz of him on the field
or him actually bringing things to the team like the second,
say they roll with our guy Kenny Pickett as the
starting quarterback in game one. You don't think like the
second Kenny Pickett, who we know his limitations as a

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football player, like throws an interception or it makes a
bad play there.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
I said, well shit, or wouldn't make that throw or
you know that, Like, I.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Just think it's kind of a nightmare to slot him
into the backup, even if you don't want to go
down the full standards experience here, I think it makes
it worse like putting him on the shelf.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
To an extent, I agree, great stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Uh, the draft conversation will come up a little bit
later on the station right here with Ryan beef Coyle
and Nick McClay Bending the Edge. Draft recap coming your
web touched at dil More, Seam Bannard and Sam Austrey
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(46:12):
can find all of his content over at dknetwork dot com.
Sean enjoy the rest of your day, sir, everybody, good
luck on those plays.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I'm back in the studio tomorrow. Shan Bnard is gonna
be joining me in studio tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
We might even have a special guest something on that
as well. A lot to do so far throughout the
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