Daily Ticket w/ Sean Brace, Jon Jansen, and Joe Tansey: Hour 1 -- 12/5/23

Sean Brace, Jon Jansen, and Joe Tansey (IN-STUDIO!) talk all things #Eagles, #Sixers, #NFL, #NBA, #Union, #CollegeFootballPlayoff, and more!

Episode Transcript

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One of two three three microphones onanywhere you go. Wait, a good
afternoon, everybody. It is aTuesday edition of the Daily Ticket. I
am Sean Brace joined in studio.We got ourselves a jam packed show here.
Three man Weave, John Jansen asalways, Joe Tanzy joining the party

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here on a Tuesday. Yes,we got Villanova action coming up here this
evening. So Joe said, let'smake a day of it. Let's play
two first time, long time.There you go, So Joe and John.
We got a lot going on inthe sports world, of course,
a lot happening here in the backyardof all things Philadelphia Eagles, NBA in

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season tournament pretty good last night.A lot of people discussing that, as
I just said, with college hoops, Villanova, Ultimate, Jeko and Hide.
But hey, it's better to figureit out early. I guess maybe
if there's light at the end ofthe tunnel, we'll discuss it a little
bit later. And then, ofcourse all things NFL from awards and the

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injuries and what we saw last nightMonday Night football. But I want to
open up with a topic that's definitelygetting beaten down. And I know for
certain that in three weeks, therewon't be one person that says, oh,
you know what, they were right. Florida State got jobbed and the
best scenario played out for all ofus, even the hard like the most

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hardcore Florida State seminal fan alumni norvelTo coach, none of them will ever
say you know what when the gamesare played. And I know there will
be a whole different ballgame once thatgame is played. Who's in? Who's
all that? But not one personwill ever say you know what? Maybe
they did get it. But Iwant to start off today's show by saying
this, are we in agreement thatFlorida State got absolutely jobbed. I'm not

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saying that it's not what I want, Like I'm cool with the four teams.
I can't wait. In my opinion, I think this is probably the
best playoff in the ten years ofexistence for college football. I'm excited.
I love these matchups. But asI'm really thinking about it a little bit
more and more, maybe I'm gettinga little soft here. Florida State played

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Florida and LSU this year, andwe know that those contracts are signed years
in advance, so it took somestones for Florida State to say, we'll
go to the swamp to play Floridain Gainesville, regardless of how bad that
team is or whatever it means theyplay every year? Do they play every

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year? Okay? A right?All right, So maybe maybe they shouldn't
get that much credit, but I'mgonna give them credit because you just don't
know. It's Florida. It's normallyone of the top teams in the sec
LSU though what was that the campthe something in Orlando, wasn't it?
Yeah? And they played last yeartoo, yeah? Correct? And that
home at home, we're not reallya home at home? But like,

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are we in agreement that Florida Stategot absolutely robbed? Joe? I'll start
with you because I know where Johnstands. Where are you at? Yeah?
I thought Texas was gonna get robbed? Ooh because I thought so too
for a second. Like you havea The thing is with the committee,
you have to take out everything thatwhat your opinion is, you have to

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take on what the committee will dowhen you project these things. And look,
I would love to sit here andsay these are the four best teams,
are the foremost deserving teams, butI don't have an opinion. The
matter I'm here to predict what thecommittee does. And I thought, because
the head to head with Texas versusAlabama was lingering over our heads and Florida

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State was lingering over that they wouldput i AM at three and then f
SU at four and say, well, Alabama was already in and the head
to head didn't matter because we chosebetween FSU and Texas. I thought they
would do that because the the criteriato get in the playoff is so ambiguous.

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Yeah, there's no definition. Thereis no definition. And I think
they did that on purpose too,Yeah, because they then they can't be
like, well, head to heador conference chanp And look, every every
year is different too in college football, so we we genuinely don't know like
it. Ideally you would have fourundefeated conference champions and it's easy as that,

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but it never works out that way. I think they did get it
right. I think Florida State hasa case. The one thing I will
say, though, we need tocut the crap on what the the Orange
Bowl means. First of all,the spreads already fourteen and a half in
favor of Georgia, and people aregonna kind of do revisionist history on that
game and say well, Florida Statedidn't deserve to be in because Georgia beat

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them badly, or Florida State canclaim to be a national champion. It's
a bowl game and at the endof the day, they're gonna be opt
outs, They're gonna be Motivation issuch a huge factor in a game like
this that it's gonna be the biggestBS claim from college football fans and people

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that you know parachute in this timeof year. Oh yeah, a lot
of that that Mike Greenberg at thetime, My Greenberg and Steven a who
probably who probably watched. I'm gonnagive you an over under of college football
games. And I'm not even sayingstart to finish. I'm just saying they
tuned in, they caught it.I'll set the number of fifteen and a

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half between both of them, andI'm taking to go a step further.
I think even people in this areaand even media members in this area or
having fun just bashing college well becauseI already don't like college football anyway,
so that Joe's right, they justparachute in and like, oh look,
how dumb this is. I'm like, do you even know like anything?
That's going on here, because it'sreally not what ended up happening is really

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not that dumb at all. Butcollege college football is always throddled with dumb,
right, I mean, the nc A, but every organization is.
The NFL has done a bunch ofdumb. The NFL does dumb things,
MB does dumb things. I mean, the NFL is a bunch of
dumb because the AFC has, forthe seven playoff teams right now have backup
quarterbacks. Yeah, but that's notsomething that's their own, but it's it's

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it's its own, it's its ownlevel of dumb, you know what I
mean, Like every every sport hasits chaotic dumb nature, and in this
case, the NFL. You know, watching that game last night, you're
like, well, you know,I might have to watch a game where
CJ. Bethard and Gardner minshew.Honestly, it's just people that don't understand

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what makes college football good to beginwith, and so it's just not worth
having, really, you understand.But I'm going to push back on that
because we're losing everything that's good aboutcollege football. Traditional it's still going to
be there. The passion for collegefootball is still going to be there.
But what what did we say betterproduct, What did we say ten years

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ago about what you're about to bringup? Realignment? The college football playoff?
Well, the playoff, but alsore alignment has to go into this
as well. That everyone who saton their high horse, most likely again
people who probably aren't day in andday out in college football and are going

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to sit here and say, well, this is bad for the sport.
NIL was the other thing that wassupposed to kill college football, and what
we had just one of our mostexciting college football seasons understood in a long
time, all of them. Theyhaven't done anything about the NIL. They
still haven't policed it, and whoknows what that looks like in the future.

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Nothing's ever been policed on that sideof the bargain anyway. It was
just under the table. Yeah,that too. But at the same time,
I think, you know, theterminology needs to change. We gotta
start treating these kids like adults herewhere it's not the transfer no, like
McCord. McCord got cut. Yeahhe got cut, like, let's call
it what it is. He gotcut, Like, let's you also realized
he couldn't throw the ball at MarvinHarrison junior anymore. Well, that would

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be enough reason to get out ofthere. To Marvin Harrison, I mean,
well, let's be honest, carryKyle McCord for five years. I
think the dumb around college football isweek in week out with the rankings,
right and all the all along wesaid, not the rankings, the actual
the the seven when they started puttingthe college Football playoff rakers, that it

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was just dumb, and it justfelt like, you know what, they
were making it up as they wantedto go. It's a show. It's
a show, exactly, entertainment allthat, and I'm like, look,
I chew it up, it,I drink it, you know, I
love it. But when it comesto what we're dealing with right now and
the College Football Committee, you knowdarn well that they all sat in that
room and watched those games. AndI would like to believe that a lot

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of them have been watching the gamesthroughout the course of this season. But
it really felt like those championship gameshad such an impact on all of them,
and I'm a right there with them. Look, Florida State was terrible
in the last two games on offense. I didn't want to see them play
anymore. And I challenge anybody thatis fighting to fight for Florida State to
be honest with you. Did youwatch all forty eight minutes against Louisville?

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Did you watch all forty eight minuteson this on the road at the swamp?
You know, like that's I don'tthink they did. I can I
even rewind further on that with FrenaState, because even even with Jordan Travis.
I mean, you watch the Dukegame in Tallahassee. That game,
the final score line is obviously misleadingbecause Florida State pulled away at the end,

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but that's because Rodley Leonard got hurtfor Duke. Like, I mean,
these are all sliding doors moments,and you can ta Obama had to
get that late touchdown. Like whatwhat happens if Alabama actually doesn't play defense
against USF and loses? What ifthere was another five minutes in that Arkansas

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game where they just completely took thefoot off the pedal. What if Jalen
Millrose throw to Isaiah Bond doesn't getcaught in the Iron Bowl like Alabama walk
the tight wire all season. Yeah, let's be honest, but you want
to actually see though, right andI said, they ended up getting a
lot, but they had the onegame a tall Burn, but they got

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a lot better at the end ofthe season and a win against Georgia as
a win against But that's what youwant to see as a as a college
football you know, if you're thecommittee, if you're a team, whatever
it may be, you want tosee a team get better over the course
of his Alabama's not the same teamthey were against South for right, and
Alabama absolutely did that, whereas FloridaState. Florida State kind of felt stuck

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in neutral a little bit, Like, let's be honest with ourselves, if
we watch some of these games,their defense really carried them a lot.
And that that's why I think atat one point on Saturday night, and
you know, you go through thesecycles about the debating who's going to be
in and out? I reached apoint on Saturday night, well, okay,

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I could convince myself of Florida Statebecause of their defense. Yep.
Like if Florida State were matched upwith Michigan, that game's seventeen thirteen.
Regardless of who is it? Isit Radamaker, is it brock Land,
is it Jordan Travis? That gameis gas would tell you different, right,
they would, But the odds makersalso told you Oregon was ten point
favorite against Washington. That's why toWashington. Yeah, I mean that that

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was one of the easier bets ofthe season. So I think I look,
even Washington, Washington's thirteen to ohMan. What what if Michael Pennix
doesn't have that smart decision making onthat that reverse play to Adonze against Oregon
State? What if? What ifif they really got a lot of what
if? That's why they had Imean they had to beat Organ. I

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mean, look, you go ondefeated, and you beat Organ twice,
and you beat all the pack twelveteams that resume because largely the problem is
for Florida State, they're in theACC like that's it, that's it.
But if Alabama had a backup quarterback, Alabama would have been still in because
Alabama beat Georgia and they were inthe SEC. Like, get get used
to this. But the question Iwould have this question though, Hey,

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I would have this question from thatthe the whole hypothetical when the ACC and
I brought this up to John earlierwhen Clemson was in their run, right
and they were dominating. So tellme, Trevor Lawrence goes down with an
injury, are they getting in benefitof the again, benefit of the doubt
because they were still in a year. They were still in the years of
Clemson winning national championships, like they'vewon one previously and been to a couple,

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so like that's it's different. FloridaState's previous one was with a different
coach and a quarterback who is nowa backup in New Orleans for the longest
time and is But I know oldall season long that the previous two years
that what Georgia did shouldn't matter.It's about this. It should it just
it got too crowded. Let's justbe honest what it was for Georgia.
It got too crowded and they lostthe one game against Alabama that they couldn't

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have They couldn't have lost. Theywere on four spots for five Power five
conferences. It's something bad gonna happen, right, but we we haven't.
We hadn't reached that point until thisyear. Really, yes, I mean
there was the Penn State, OhioState fiasco one and then there's somebody else
was bringing up a reference was Auburn, like you're gonna tell me the pop
room hasn't had a top four teamin the last like three or four years,

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right, But I know, Iknow they have two losses. They
were out. You know, allthose teams are out for a reason.
I get it, but it's it'syes, it is unfair that teams are
getting punished because like Florida State justnot in a good enough conference. But
that's just the way it is.And that's the reason why there's a committee
in the first place, because thereisn't an easy way to determine if an
undefeated season in that ACC, which, by the way, that was all

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the ACC was awful, like therewas nothing right. But I'll stop you
there. All of your points aremaking at the ACC are completely irrelevant because
at the end of the day,what the decision came down to is looking
at Florida State as a whole.It says, but that's part. But
if Florida State was playing LSU hypotheticallyin the final week of the season,

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we're still looking at that Florida Stateteam, not LSU, not the opponent.
We're looking at Florida State and theydon't have a competent quarterback and their
defense is keeping them in the game. What Florida State did in the ACC
Championship has nothing to do with Louisville. When it comes to the playoff committee,
it's it's completely irrelevant. I disagree. I disagree to style points.

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You're gonna tell me style points whenit mattered in that game, it is
three, but they didn't earn anystyle points. If they won by thirty
to six, I think Florida State'sprobably in. Yeah, but that look
look at the competition with opponent though, like if if if they win thirty
to six against Louisville, against LSU, against Oregon. The biggest concern for

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the last two weeks or since JordanTravis got taken off the field against North
Alabama has been Florida State's quarterbacks.It has nothing to do with the ACC,
definitely. But if it had somethingto do with the ACC, then
why was Florida State not dropped outof the top four MBA Because you weren't
going You weren't going to do ituntil Alabama finally beat Georgia until that happened,

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But I would have if it wasthat big of a deal. It
is it, but that's it.What's the problem with being in the ACC
is you don't have a chance tobeat Georgia in the n SEC championship game.
You have a chance to beat Louisvilleand the Big Ten. The Big
Ten gets away with it because inthe East East essentially is you're going right
there. But there was also wearEast. There's also in SEC where that

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happened to the SEC East had onegood team and that's it, and sometimes
they wouldn't even make it. TheSEC has looked different, and it's it's
just in this specific case has alot to do with In this specific case,
conference had absolutely nothing to do withit, because I think it did
because you're judging a team in FloridaState. You're not judging their schedule and

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the team itself, no matter whothey played the last two weeks, did
not play well enough with a backupquarter We already saw the case of Ohio
State in with a backup quarterback,and I know different circumstances, but that's
different. They won big, butthey're still Ohio State in the Big Ten.
But they have something to do withit. If like they won big
against Iowa or something like that.I don't even know if it was Wisconsin,

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if they showed it throughout the Saturdaynight. And if if Florida State
wins that game fifty nine or whatever. Ohio State beat Wisconsin that year with
Caryle Jones, Florida State's in becausethe concern, once again is the quarterback.
It has absolutely nothing to do.I think you're getting in troubles.

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Say absolutely nothing. Right, Godto come into play because the the the
opponent, if the opponent had oneloss, and you know, like you
know it's going to mean more,it's just point spread. Right, they
were dogs in that game. Theywere only a point and a half dog.
Florida State in that game. They'replaying. Yeah, if they're playing
somebody else and they're catching seven andthey go out there and win by twenty,

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that's got to come into play.It does, and it mostly comes
into bed because Florida State is inthe a SEC and is not in the
SEC. So Alabama has a chancein the SEC. I agree to beat
Georgia and even Washington has a chanceto beat organ in the PAC twelve championship
game. But I think your finalthought and then we got to move on.
I think that you have a validpoint. But I think if you

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were to put some truth serum intothe committee. The number one reason why
Florida State is out is because oftheir lack of a quarterback, because I,
like I said, if they puttheir cop out, that's the answer.
It is. But a lot ofthat would have to deal with while
they're an a CEC team. Butif the ACC wasn't in such a hole

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for forever, then Clemson doesn't makethe playoff even at the start, because
the argument you're using is the argumentthat, well, again, the ACC
is different every year and every conferenceand every year, right, well,
every year is different to where you'renot going to be crowded to this extent,
and so this is this is amuch more extreme picture of a team

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getting left out because of the conference. If we get left out because even
Cincinnati got in. You know,when Cincinnati got in, Cincinnati didn't get
in because like they were in theAmerican they got in because nobody else was
good enough to get in. Butif you look at at Clemson, what
was the one thing that everyone wouldgo back and criticize Clemson for. They
didn't play anybody and they're still andthey still got in and they still got

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it in pretty easily because there wasa year that they got in, that
it wasn't crowded, and then theywon a national championship and got to it
and still got in. Yeah again, you can get in. I'm not
saying Florida State didn't have a chance. And if Florida State could have gotten
in, but once it gets thisclose, then you being in a bad
conference comes into the picture. Right. Well, look, you know we
know what's the table is set.As they say. Also, I love

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talking about it. Everybody wants togo back to like BCS rankings, Get
out of here. That's not fun. We want to go back to seeing
what a computer says about this.Well, the BCS was right. It
was just a matter of his onlytwo teams, right, Like if they
expanded it to four, you wouldhave been okay. If they would have
expanded the four and kept the BCSrankings and the BSS rankings, you would
have taken the top. Who arethe four this year? I don't know.

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I don't anybody still do those rankings. Yeah, there's actually a Twitter
account that has the applies. FloridaState was in over Texas. Wow,
yeah, okay, it was exactlywhat Georgia. Oh, Florida State was
in over tex Florda State was inover Texas, Georgia, Florida State was
in over Alabama was wow Alabama,Florida State, and Washington and Michigan.

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Interesting because if they posted it Sundaymorning, and I think McMurphy said,
that comes my larger picture here.It is right here. So the simulated
BCS was Michigan one, Washington two, Alabama three, FSU or Texas five
Georgia sition show, which which Ithought the committee was going to do.
Thank you so much for bringing thatup, because that is a good way

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and a fair way try and determinethe rankings. No, no, no,
I'm just saying, like if youwanted to, because I think why
people don't why people don't know whatthe committee is because it's not fair.
The committee is not fair. That'snot fair. By the way, it's
how many teams in Power five collegefootball, Joe, we're close to late
sixties seven three oh No, injust Power five we're at like sixty something

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teams over seventy. Tell me what'sfair? Like, there's nothing fair in
that. Trying to compare college athleticsand the sheer amount of teams to NFL
and thirty two. It's easy todetermine. So it's it's so easy to
determine that either what do you meanjust the whole you know the fact that
there's a Power five and seventy plusteams, sixty plus teams, that's like,

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what's fair? This is how it'sbeen year after year after year,
right, right, But I'm justsaying this there everybody's looking for the best
solution, and you know, anundefeated Power five team should get in,
But I don't know with a seventyteam, you know field and there's so
many different vary variations of teams,and some conferences are better than the others.
How could I fairly determine if anundefeated ACC team is better than a

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one loss Alabama team who beat ateam that hadn't lost in two almost three
years of college football? How canI get a fair judgment in which one's
better? There isn't one. That'swhy the committee made the decision. That's
the biggest one for me. It'slike, damn Georgia heading into that game
was overall number one seed. Theylose by three points, four points,
whatever it was, and now they'reon the outside looking at you and I

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just laugh. At the whole factthat Florida State was in front of them.
I don't care about any of that. All I care about is the
first one. I think if Texasloses that game, Georgia gets in because
if they were so set on onFlorida State not getting in with the backup
quarterback, Georgia, Georgia, you'resaying that if Texas lost Alabama. If
no, if Texas lost to OklahomaState, okay, and Alabama beats Georgia,

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right, Georgia, because we've seenin previous years where one drops to
three or four because there's not enoughin the playoff field to to really kind
of get in the playoff field.But I think if if Texas had lost
the Big TALF Championship, you wouldhave seen two SEC teams quick one do
you thirty seconds? Who are thefour best teams in college football in your

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opinion? Right? Four that arein the playoffs? What the four that
are in the playoff I agree.I I went into championship week thinking it
was Georgia, Michigan, Oregon andAlabama and Alabama beat Georgia, Washington beat
Oregon, and like I think it'sTexas and Texas. Look might have been
the best team all season long,right, I wouldn't go that far.

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No win against Alabama and they lostthat they shootout Arrival had some ify performances,
a backup quarterback in for two games. How about that. Some teams
are allowed, some teams aren't.Well anyways, DraftKings Sports Book. Let's
talk about the games itself, allright? Can we move on to that?

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You guys? All right with that? Let's do this. We got
bowl games. We got to discussball games. We'll save that for a
little bit later. And I've alreadymade one, uh substantially larger wager on
a bowl game. Yeah. Andand the team that you placed that wager
on, I was just laughing becausethe twelve team playoff would would have that
team in there. And by theway, this is the last time we
get to do this, by theway, meaning this debate, because when

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we get when we get to twelve, good when we have this. That's
why I wanted this last year tobe chaos, so we can say how
dumb it wasn't a broken the topfour is in the tale because it's not
gonna win twelve teams. That's fine, but it's just a conversation's gonna suck
when we're talking about, well,who should be the twelve team All Miss
or Penn State and nobody can andnobody's gonna care exactly Well, by the

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way, I cannot wait for thatAll Miss Penn State game. That is
such a perfect matchup. It's soand then who's playing and who's not.
That's the issue I have with this, but that, But that's to your
point, right there these five toeleven that would be in the playoffs because
Liberty would be the twelve. Yep, you would actually now get teams that

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are that are caring, you know, do quarterbacks. That's the only reason
why I think it's good. Andthat becomes another conversation for like the grand
picture of college football and how itoperates moving forward, because now you have
all these quarterbacks are already in theportal the second this, you know,
conference championship week is over, andthen it backs everybody up, some of

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them even before the games are evenplayed, right, which is crazy?
All right, to the games itself, Alabama and Michigan. What's the bowl
game that they're in Rose? Allright, so that's the Rose Bawl that's
being played. A five oh five, I just again, I I hate
we got robbed of a final PACtwelve Big ten Rose Bowl matchup. I'm
so yeah, it's all I hateAlabama for it. Michigan one and a

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half point favorites forty five and ahalf. Joe, I'll start with you.
Anything you like in that game?What are you looking at for the
Bama Michigan? Yeah, I thinkMichigan wins this game. Oh why are
you so certain? Because you lookat how you gotta look at this from
a season long thing. You can'tjust look at what Bama did against Georgia

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because just a week before that,oh yeah, they barely got out of
the iron Ball Grave Digger. SoI think when you look at Michigan,
Michigan has been They've been the bestteam in college football season, and it's
very hard to debate that it isbecause of their dominance and the Maryland game.

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You can chalk hib as an excuse. It was a look ahead to
Ohio State, whatever it may be, and the way they handle Ohio State
and the way they handle Penn State, and just that you know exactly what
you're getting from Michigan football weekend andweek out. They're gonna run the ball
and play the slow tempo and they'replaying in credible defense. So now they've
proven it against Ohio State that theycan somewhat contain a top level receiver.

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Now, Marvin Harrison Junior had onehundred yards, but he only had five
catches in that game. And atno point in that game did it feel
like Michigan was really going to loseit. It felt like it was Michigan's
game to lose for the entire sixtyminutes. So then look at Alabama and
they've got some flaws and they've gotto play a big boy football to win

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this game. Oh yeah, nowcan they do that? Sure? But
I believe mcclellum was out for theSEC championship game. They're top running back.
Now it's Alabama, so you know, you just plug and play a
five star there, but that meansa little bit. So I'm not sure
what his injury status is. Andthen I think people are underrating jj MCA

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in the national conversation. I thinkwe kind of see him as this probably
the level above serviceable when it comesto comparing everybody across the board. You
know, we talk about Nixon Pennickso much We've talked about Jaden Daniels and
his explosiveness, but I think JJMcCarthy's it's almost stets In Bennett, like

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his command of the offense like Stetsand Bennett wasn't gonna do anything incredible for
Georgia, but he knew his rolewithin the offense. He knew exactly what
to do the throws to make.He had the poise and delivered on national
championships. And I think that's kindof the best comparison to for JJ McCarthy.

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He's probably a better athlete than saidit to Bennett, but he's gonna
make the throws. He's not gonnafeel flustered by the moment. He has
full command of the offense. Thisteam knows exactly what their identity is and
they're not gonna stray from it.Michigan over the last few years has said
this is our identity, go aheadbeat us. Now. It's come up

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short in the semifinals the last twoyears, but I think this matchup particular,
I think Michigan's got a pretty goodhold on it. I know everybody
wants to talk about BBAMA and howexplosive they've been and how much improvement Jalen
Milroe is good. He is reallygood. I think he's been the most
improved player in all of college footballfrom week one to week thirteen. I
don't think there's a debate in that. But Alabama as a whole, We've

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mentioned a few of those games,the Arkansas game, the Auburn game,
even USF it wasn't the complete package. Against Georgia, it was. And
the challenge for Dick Saban is gettingthe Georgia game out of Alabama and not
the other games. Well, Luckilythe game isn't being played for a couple
of weeks, so everyone's going tohave time to come fact that it's Saban

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is the big difference making. Harballhasn't, respectively, Harble hasn't won anything.
No, Yeah, and that's that'swhat they're big deals. Look,
the third straight year they've made theplayoffs, right, and and they haven't
won a playoff game. So thisis a big spot for Michigan. Good
luck against Alabama, a team thatyou're not going to be able to push
around like they did against Penn Stateand Ohio State. That defense is not

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going to be overmatched, and I'llbet against it. I'll put my money
over my mouth is I got Bamah, you sound like you're on bad Oh.
Yeah, absolutely, I think Bamacould absolutely win it all. Like
I said, just defensively, Ithink Bama is a little bit better than
Ohio State. I think they're abetter football team than Ohio State two as
well. And the moment, yeah, I do think defense. State got

(29:45):
pushed around in that game. Sothat's not that that's not going to happen.
Uber defense I think are so skewed. But no way, I I
like Bama in this one. Ihope it's a great game. It's something
I want to before. They didhave to learn how to win that kind
of game again, they did.I mean they have to learn to players,
yes, and they haven't been ableto do that recently, so that
was that was a big deal.I think that was a turning point for

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them. Well look, we saythat's gonna be a great game, both
guys. You know. From aselfish standpoint, I think that's the point
that I was trying to make yesterday, and it's the committee did us all
a favor. Even though you lookat the years past, I think the
average semifinal is like for somebody saidit this morning, forty four to twenty
one. Last year kind of skewedthose numbers back to the norm because there
were two close games. But yeah, before and I love Lincoln Riley,

(30:32):
so I'm gonna hate that I'm sayingthis, but it's really good that we're
not getting a Lincoln Riley team andthat's gonna get beat by thirty. We're
not gonna have a Notre Dame teamThey're undefeated and they're gonna get beat by
thirty in the semi final. Wehave four legitimate, like competitive games that
are gonna be awesome. We haveevolved. We'll hit the other one on
the other side. Bak fore I'it right now, And like I said,
we're gonna come back. We'll hitthe other game. We got NFL

(30:53):
Week fourteen to it. We gotsome big time scenarios as far as injuries
are concerned, and we got someBowl game movement, and I'm really I
want to dive into it, butagain, I'm just kind of taking a
back seat with all the news.And that's how I feel like. You
can't wager on some of these games, even though Joe did wager on one
of these games. We'll find outwhere excellent well, we'll hit on that

(31:15):
on the other side, don't quitanywhere. You take it back after this
Christmas time is the best time ofyear it is here. Of course,
bowl season comes along with that,and uh, we're gonna dive a little
bit deeper into the college football bowlscene. Not specific. Well, yeah,

(31:38):
we still gotta wrap up with theother semifinal game. We got Joe
Tanzy and studio. He's also goingto talk about Marco Fabian Fabian Fabian how
do you say his last name?He signed with Baltimore. Did you see
that? The Indoor League, theBaltimore Blasts? There you go? Is
that news to you? Did Ibreak news to you? Joe? Dude?

(32:00):
It really is the off season foryou? Uh? Sun up face?
I did. We did. Wedid the end of season press conference
yesterday for the Union and then mywe were mentioned in the name. My
brain just went like, okay,you need breaks from from certain things.
He is. He was billed asthe biggest name player in indoor soccer history.

(32:23):
Now I don't know much about it. So the indoor soccer was the
kicks, right, Yes, huhsee, I would love to have that
back. I know everyone wants thegirls teams and I'm all about it,
right whatever, Like w n BA would love to see it. I've
never been to it in I've neverbeen to a w NBA game, but
I've watched it and those girls canball girls soccer, they got some great

(32:47):
names. Love to see it,believe in it. All that bring it
to Philly. But here's the indoorsoccer Kicks. I don't know if at
the Wells Fargo Center, but man, and that seemed like so much fun.
I'd love to be able to getthat going again. Yeah. Yeah,
were I went to like one Kicksgame. It's entertaining, That's all

(33:10):
I mean from it. That meansfrom a standpoint of like talking about it,
and you know, ra Ro,it's I mean, if you have
kids, started kicks, started Kickspodcasts. No, we got to start
a Wings podcast. That's what wewant to do that. I'm trying trying,
Like, hell, come on,Philadelphia Wings. There want to know
in the season home opener coming uphere the play this week, but home

(33:30):
over next Saturday. We got somecompetition in the city now for Lacross.
Oh yeah, but that's a differenttime of year. It's different. It's
weird that there's two across all theplayers that they play in the same pl
player. Yeah, and here's whatyou ready for this one. There's a
guy by the name a Blaze Reardonand he is a with the water Dogs

(33:52):
in that whole league, the outdoorlacrosse team was it p l L.
He plays goalie. He wins thewards and then he plays for the wings
and he's on the offensive side ofthe ball. He's not the goalie here.
I don't understand that. He's ahell of a talent, hell of
a player. I just don't.If you're that good at goalie, why

(34:12):
won't you be the goalie for theindoor team? It might be different,
though, Like the are the dimensions? I know this is exactly what we
want to be talking. Definitely dimensionsdifferent between the PLL like a outdoor game
and major ly LA crosse. Yeah. And also but the goalies, goalies
wearing much bigger pads than indoor.Yeah, you're right, they just wear

(34:35):
sweat. That's a good call.Why is that because the ball moves faster
off the ground. I'm sure ifyou well, it's a shorter field,
so I think you're just you're you'reshooting at shorter distances. You're shooting at
long good call. Look at you, Johnny Cross. So really, I'm
sure if you tweet out that somebody, somebody, somebody will know, forty

(34:58):
responses will come in, and alot of them. You're an idiot.
I mean, Elko is a lacrossehot damn. So you might get like,
my cousin played a ton of responses. John Chancer has got a family
that is uh, my other cousinplayed d one. So what happened to
you? Yeah, exactly, you'rejust stuck here talking. I can vote

(35:21):
on the Heisman, but I don'tknow if that's a talent. I don't
think that is buttons to get Yeah, yeah, I wrote some name.
Yeah that counts for something. AndI could keep a secret for the next
week. Doesn't have headphones, that'sreally I mean that's a skill, right,
Like I have to keep a secretfor the Heisman for the next week.
I can't say a word about it. We know who's winning, okay,

(35:44):
I can't say. Penix had anopportunity to make life a little bit
more difficult for you voters, butunfortunately miss missed some some wide open His
second half the season also wasn't yeah, but man, if they were to
beat Oregon in the front runnerh becausehe was minus one seventy going into that
game. So if he goes andbeats him again, and like I said,

(36:05):
there was multiple throws and he justdidn't make him like he had wide
open touchdowns on two of them.And I'm like, come on, dude,
you're sixteen to one. Maybe hewas sixteen to one for a reason.
All right, let's keep it moving. Let's discuss the other semifinal game.
Let's do that a Washington, Yeah, thank you, and we will
get over to in this segment,we will find out the one Bowl game

(36:29):
that Joe Tanzy already is action oneight fifty pm New Year's Day? What
bowl is this? Sugar Sugar Texasand Washington. Here Texas four and a
half point favorite sixty four. I'lltell you straight up, Joe. Like
like the last game, John andI are on the same side here as
well. Both have Texas. You'reriding when Texas? Are you going?

(36:52):
Wash? Yes? And I loveit. I love it because I believe
in because I've been I've been moreof the Texas hater on the podcast.
Why so Why why Texas defense?That? Yeah? I wasn't all that
impressed Washington as of late, andespecially in that game against Oregon, as

(37:13):
sad as it is to say becausethey won. Does Washington feel like TCU
last year? No, So Ithink they give off those vibes a little
bit. A little bit, yes, and I got the bad taste in
my mouth because I took them whenanything. Oh, we know that.
But they're both purple. Yeah.I have more confidence in this offense being
able to take shots down the fieldthan I would with TCU. So I

(37:35):
think we'll see points. You seethe high number of sixty four. Let
me get some team totals here.I just think Texas is too tough,
man. I don't think we learnedour lesson meaning from the Pact Hall Championship.
Now I had Washington. I lovedthe points. I Washington too,
Okay, but I don't think we'velearned our lesson here. Like it's close,
it's four and a half. Butso how long did we do this

(37:55):
last year with TCU? And Iknow this is kind of an imperfect compare,
but it's kind of the best onewe have recently. How many times
last year did we try and buryTCU because they played in close games they
played in the Big Twelve, likewe found. We found all sorts of
excuses for TCU, But at theend of the day, they had alligator

(38:15):
blood and would win all these closegames. But they lost. Did they
lose to Kansas State too? Atthe end of the year last year,
didn't they lose? No, TCUmight losing my mind. Remember I forget
too. I TCU was that teamthat just kept on winning and getting by
and remember they had that one stategame. Yeah, they had a jail
break game where they had a fieldgoal at the end of regulation, which

(38:37):
was incredible. Yeah, but Ifeel like Washington has similar qualities, not
saying they're the same. They're alsoundefeated, but it feels like the way
Washington plays in close games feels alot like the way TCU had last year,
because no matter what happened, andWashington has not played well. And

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then that's why I thought Oregon wouldwin the Pac twelve. But when that
spread came out, there was noway you were taking Oregon. Oregon went
in the Pac Talk Championship game asthe much better team. On four they
just they were blowing teams out,yes, leaving no doubt. And then
Washington shows up, and I thinkthat it to apply the Alabama principle.

(39:21):
Here Washington showed up in the biggestgame with their best performance, just like
Alabama did against Georgia. Ok So, now does that Washington show up and
not the Washington we saw for sixweeks after the first Oregon win. Let
me stop you there, Why isthis more about Washington than Texas? To
you, like, as you're bringingit down, maybe I'm gonna cut you

(39:42):
off. But for me, thisgame is more about Texas And maybe I'm
missing something here. Watch is exactlyI think, which is exactly the line
wants you to do. It's soshort, it's four and a half,
it's under a touchdown, Like,but what what about? What about Texas
as a whole has done to makethem a four and a half point favorite

(40:05):
over and undefeated Washington. Well,they just came off of ramping. I
know Oklahoma State isn't anything the righthome, right, but but Gundy always
does that in championship games. It'sOklahoma State that sucked. I just want
to see a fight, a goodbattle, and there was none of that.
Well that's are you saying Texas isa little overrated? I'm not saying

(40:28):
they're overrated. I just think theyshouldn't be a four and a half point
favorite. Why are you so,Kat got your tongue over there? Jansen?
Your Texas? What's going on?I mean, I think Texas defense
is really good. Yeah, Ithink it's gonna be a problem for Washington.
That's the thing about Texas. It'snot the offense. It's and we
talk about that a lot with Sarksian. It's a lot about offense, and
they have a bunch of skilled positionplayers. We saw it against Oklahoma State.

(40:52):
Now, I think it looked betterbecause Oklahoma State's tackling was worse than
the Eagles was on Sunday. Yesit was, it was awful, but
still they have a lot of talentthere yours. I don't. I'm not
a fan of Texas. Got fivereceivers many that's the thing they do,
and I think they win because ofthat. But it's it's their defense.
I think their defensive. But thebest receiver in that game is on Washington's
Ye see that's fair. Don't sayit's hard to argue his top ten pick

(41:14):
most likely? Right? Yeah,so he could be top five to seven.
Oh yeah, he's not gonna seetwo top We're not gonna see two
receivers taking it a top five.No, you don't know that. I
bet you that you don't know anyoffensive line than before too. But quarterbacks
one offensive line and from Penn State. Yeah, there's three. Marvin Harrison
Junior. Marvin Harrison Junior is goingthat's four. Oh, Dundee's going to

(41:36):
be very very much in that.If I said top five to seven,
he'll be close next level, notafter that. Five seven, yeah,
five to seven, Yeah, that'swhat I said, five, six seven,
Stop talking five. I can't includefive, seven eight. I mean
what two quarterbacks and then what you'removing the goalposts? That's what you're doing.
I'm not moving there. I saidfive to seven. You said top

(41:58):
ten, But I want to die. I think he's really good. He's
great. He's not on Marvin's levelthough, right like, yes, he
is. He's close. He's veryven. That's how close. I would
say, probably the second best becauseI read write up about Marvin Harrison Jr.
That was spot on, and it'sso true. He is automatically your
w w R one, which iswhy whoever, I mean, that's another

(42:22):
argument for the other day. ButI think if you're the either the Bears
or the Cardinals, you keep yourguy, whether it be Justin Fields or
Kyler Murray. And you say,in Chicago's case, you now have DJ
Moore and Marvin Harrison junior. Youcan go make plays instead of restarting the
whole thing. That overall number onepick don't come around too often. It

(42:43):
doesn't like Bears also have a toptop five picking David a little bit easier
path to navigate. But if you'reArizona, if the Arizona, I definitely
with Chicago, I think the hardreset is probably in order, and you
would look at quarterback, but Arizona, no, you have a good you
have a really good quarterback, gethim a wide receiver like that. Absolutely

(43:07):
there seems like obviously New England's goingquarterback. I think Washington's probably gonna end
up going quarterback. Knows what NewEngland's gonna do. Hard reset Giants,
they're gonna go a quarterback. They'regonna be they should, but they're not
going to they should there because ifmay And and Cayla Williams are both gone,
well then it's a whole other debate. Yeah. Well, yeah,

(43:29):
the next quarterback Daniels Stock. DanielsStock has gone up so hot, right,
that's right, and then bow Necksprobably after that, yes, But
I mean the case the case withHarrison though, is he's absolutely a top
five and there's kind of really nodebater on that. But I think to
get back to Washington, I justit might be the recency bias syncing in

(43:50):
with them. But what I sawthroughout the Pac twalve championship game is a
a championship mentality, a champion hiplevel performance. And as much as Texas
did the exact same thing in moreimpressive fashion, They'll also lost their toughest
game of the season, second toughestto Oklahoma, But then they didn't exactly

(44:15):
pull away from a bunch of theiropponents, and part of that's because of
their defense. But the only wonby a touchdown against Houston, which I
believe is the game that Youers gothurt in. They barely beat k stayed
at home with Malik Murphy and aquarterback, barely beat TCU the next week,
and it hasn't been until the lasttwo weeks when Uwers has been fully

(44:36):
healthy, that they've kind of realizedits potential. So I think I think
there's flaws there as well, andwhen you have a month to game plan
for these games, I the marginsis going to be so tight. And
to me, I look at theteam that has won more close games.
If we're projecting this to be close. I think that's where I give the

(44:57):
difference to Washington. It's the intangibles. Both teams have great receivers. I
think when youwers can get the jobdone. I think Pennis is the better
quarterback, probably just a little bit, but I do agree though I think
he is, but yours has shownhe can make some throws and get it
in the right spot to his playmakersand defensively, I think it's probably a
little bit of an edge to Texas, but there's no like significant edge in

(45:21):
that where I think picking Washington isa bad call. And that's what's so
great about these two games is therethere's no significant mismatches. I think there
are are areas to exploit on bothsides. Yep. But I think Michigan
because they've done it so well everygame this season, I think they win

(45:43):
that game. And Washington because they'vethey've shown that ability to win the close
game every single time. It hasn'tjust been oh, they're twelve and one,
that had they had one slip up. No, they've done it every
single time, and they did itin November in a lot of different circumstances.
And that Arizona State game, ArizonaState doesn't stand out as a feature

(46:05):
opponent, but the Sun Devils wentinto Seattle and really took it to them
and kind of stunned Washington with adefensive performance that very few teams have had
by way for Texas. You studythat game film a little bit what Arizona
State was able to do against againstWashington, but they still found a way
to win. That has to matterin some capacity. And I think also

(46:29):
the line these kids to know whatthe line is, they know their four
and a half point underdogs, thatthey know what their their role is on
the betting side. They're going touse that as motivation. And we saw
what they did against Oregon with thatmotivation, and that sticks out to me
more than anything. And if I'mpicking this game off of little things and

(46:50):
in tangibles, that that's why Ilean Washington. All right, Well,
nobody wants to see Michigan and Washington. Everybody wants see Alabama in Washington or
Alabama Texa. Let's yeah, AlabamaTexas plus four sixty five right now,
the exact matchup for Alabama Texas Michiganwould do it for me too. Hey,
look if Washington wins against Texas,Oh, that's gonna do it for

(47:12):
me all day. Yeah I will. But like Texas and Texas, though,
you give me a rematch between TexasAlabama because that game awesome. That
game was awesome? Wasn't and itwas oh yeah that was week two.
They went in one I don't knowit was there and one it made big
time throws, big time plays.I think it was awesome from Texas's perspective

(47:35):
that game. Sure, it doesn'tsniff the first Washington Oregon game. I
don't think even sniff sells U Alabamabefore Jayden Daniels gets hurt. I think
because Milroe was so raw, yeah, and Texas pulled away. I think
that element of it made it agood game because oh, somebody beat Bama
at Bryant Denny Stadium. Yes,But I think in terms of like where

(47:58):
it ranks overall in games of theseason, I think it maybe scratches the
top ten. I don't agree withthat and definitely one of the bigger upsets
as far as you know. Yes, But in terms of like I guess
because of where it happened, Yeah, I just remember turning on or going
out that night because there was downthe shore and just like everybody was glued
to it. Of course there's earlyin the season. We're all glued to

(48:20):
everything in football. How are weat the end of the college football season?
Speaking of that Pete food Tech,who does a great job. He's
all over the place covers college football. So by my extremely rough count,
out of the eighty bowl teams notin the College Football Playoff, at least
twenty five possible starting quarterbacks are eitherin a transfer portal, will likely opt
off for the NFL, or willprobably be gone in the portal before the

(48:43):
balls start. One team I've beenseeing already in the portal just getting players
and rumored to be getting players.Notre Dame is Cross. It's yeah,
but still, I mean, theygot more than every other team like this.
This is they did it last year, they're doing it this year.
It's amazing. They might get theClemson wide receiver who's one of the best
wide receivers in the country. Thisyear, even though the offense didn't do

(49:05):
anything with it. And also they'regonna get what quarterback was the front owner
for. Yeah, but that doesn'tdo anything for me if you're notre Dame
Leonard, No, because he's worsethan Sam Hartman. Yeah, yeah,
but that's better receivers than Tam Harmonever had if they bring in Bo Collins.
But we made we made the samecase for Sam Hartman this year.
He had better receivers than he everhad, and he no but two or

(49:29):
three times a show wide receivers.He had a wake force way better at
Perry's. An NFL receiver at Parryis really good at Perry's doing well now
with how many games at Perry Joe. Everything played out exactly how we thought
it would be a notre dame thisyear, right it did. Yeah,
And look the credit to them becausethey played tough, tough schedule. They

(49:50):
play a tough schedule, played OhioState, Clemson, yeah, USC,
who else? Who else went in? Who went in? And what Ohio
State beat them? Who else didthey play? But also had that that
really weird spot where they ended uplosing the Louisville in between because they played
their acc Alliance. Yeah, Idon't know. I just Notre Dame.
They are what they are in thisversion of college football, and I don't

(50:13):
think Riley Leonard is going to doAnd now if they got Dylan Gabriel that
that would intrigue me. They won't, No, I won't. You know
what team's getting out of him?Yeah, Oregon, all right, well
he's a perfect fit for Well,absolutely, Joe, let's do this.
Give me thirty seconds, give mesixty seconds. You're one bowl game?
Were you at Miszoo? I knowthe line's already moved. Yeah, that's

(50:35):
the issue with all these Yeah,and look, that's something you have to
to keep an eye on it.It's so hard to track. But I
got them, I believe it.Minus one oh two? Tell us where
what? What's the ball? Wherethey at? What's going on? What
would be? That would be?That would be the Cotton Bowl Zoo against
Ohio State. Now, Missouri wasreally good this year. They were and
if there was a twelve team playoff, they'd be one of the teams.
Supposedly, no, not supposedly theywould be. Yes, so what Ohio

(51:00):
State? But now the now thelines moved? I State only lost once,
right, yeah, well it's thetop what Top eleven and then the
Group of five champs, So bothof team both of these teams would have
been in UH in the playoffs.But Kyle McCord transferring, Julian Fleming their
third best receiver transferring Marvin Harrison's notplaying in this game. No, Like,

(51:22):
let's be completely honest with he shouldnot. Absolutely no, And if
if you look at the matchup,this game also means more to Missouri from
a program perspective. Elike Drinklets bythe way, one of the better characters
in this in college football, likethe dude, just like he likes to

(51:43):
He's got a little bit of aa snappy side to him. That was
good. Did he come from appState? Yeah, yes he did.
Yeah, that was good. Iwas cracking up at that one liner where
he said, you know something,Oh he had a phone call? Was
counter Stallion's right, he's a hellof a recruiter too, and being able
to get Luther burn and then toget the Oise to the transfer from Oklahoma.
But their offense is played, bethas played phenomenal this year. The

(52:06):
game means more to them Ohio State. It's already down their starting quarterback,
and one receiver. Let's assume thetop receiver is already out, this line
has flipped, and I would assumeit will go up in favor of Missoo.
I would not be surprised if ifit touches close to a touchdown in
favor of Missoo by the time thisgame actually gets played on December twenty ninth.
Just because of what's going on withOhio State, I think Miszoo you

(52:30):
can still get them at minus oneten on the money line right now at
DraftKings. I would highly recommend doingit. I know people will say,
oh, clb, I just betyou know what you're getting here. Yeah,
and before it goes up higher thanit it will take it. Now,
save it in your account, justwatch the number go higher, and

(52:51):
then when December twenty ninth comes around, Missoo will beat Ohio State and you
will win a lot of money.So that was the one game that jumped
off the page at you. Yeah, I have to bet that, all
right, I like it. We'regonna find out what other games we should
bet on. And we're also gonnatalk about closing or my line movement not
closing line movement put as far aswhere these numbers have moved already since they

(53:13):
opened up on a Sunday. Wegot a lot to discuss here. Coming
up at five point thirty, you'regonna hear a Philly Exchange debating the Philadelphia
sports topics that everybody's discussing, includingthe Philadelphia Eagles. All that, we'll
try and squeeze a couple of thosequestions, and for Joe in the next
hour as well, I'm curious tohear his take on the Birds and the
Cowboys coming up once again, draftingssportsbook showing three and a half in favor

(53:34):
of a Dallas at home don't win, and we're more Daily Ticket Joe Tanzi
and studio John Jansen. I'm shoreray he's backing at this